Domestic gas prices will soar

As gas exports from Queensland start, domestic gas prices are predicted to rise.

Domestic gas prices will soar

Later this year, as gas exports from Queensland start, domestic gas prices in eastern Australia are predicted to rise significantly, reflecting the huge volumes contracted to overseas customers in China and other countries.

Jemena, the major gas distributor controlled by Singaporean and Chinese Government entities, has highlighted this in its most recent application to the Australian Energy Regulator, forecasting that the Australian domestic wholesale gas prices will increase rapidly to parity with the international price. Already, household gas prices in NSW have increased by 17 per cent in just the last month in anticipation of major gas exports from eastern Australia. Similar increases are expected in other states.

Furthermore, as the long-term domestic gas supply contracts of major energy utilities, such as AGL, expire over the next two to three years, Australian householders will be even more exposed to the effects of international gas prices.

Read more: The Age – Business Day

Opinion: An imminent but more subtle threat to Australia

Whilst our media is currently obsessing over the threat of returning jihadists from their atrocities in Syria and Iraq and, the Abbott government senses another distraction from a failed budget and asylum seeker policy, there is another long-term threat to our country.

It’s a ‘sleeper’ and, as such, not particularly sensational, so you won’t hear, read or see any mention in the mass media. However, it has surfaced on the ABC and in the business pages of the more responsible press. It’s a threat to both the household budget of every Australian and to our remaining manufacturing sector and, hence, jobs.

It’s the flow-on affect of the massive commitment in export sales of our newly developed east coast natural gas resources. Primarily coming from Queensland, it will compel all domestic customers to compete in a new global market for this much praised source of ‘cleaner’ energy – that is relative to ‘dirty’ coal. It’s worth noting the ‘clean’ credentials of natural gas are questionable but what is not questionable, in common with coal, natural gas is a fossil fuel and not renewable. ‘

Australia has the unique distinction of being the only developed country to export natural gas without protecting or quarantining a domestic supply at a lower price. When challenged on this, Industry Minister Ian Macfarlane shrugged-off any criticism by maintaining that it is the price we have to pay to operate in the global gas market.

Well, in the words of that rock classic, “it ain’t necessarily so”. Western Australia, which also has massive natural gas reserves and is much further down the track with exporting them has, thanks to the common sense of its state government, legislated that 15 per cent of its natural gas will be earmarked for domestic users. As WA Premier, Colin Barnett, has observed, he can’t understand why the rest of Australia isn’t following his state’s lead.

What do you think? Should Australian consumers be happy to pay higher gas prices because of soaring exports? Or do you, in common with the WA premier, think we should be insulated by commonwealth government legislation? Is this just another example of the failure of our political leaders to plan and protect Australian producers and, hence jobs?





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    retroy
    7th Aug 2014
    9:58am
    Why haven't other states followed the example of WA reserving some Australian gas for Australians can be answered easily. They are too thick and busy polishing their own egos.
    Jen
    7th Aug 2014
    10:28am
    The trouble with most State Governments, they are not looking long term. Long term is until the next election. That's what rules their every decision.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    10:55am
    So You think they Even Care about the Next Election ?? They have already SECURED Their future with a MASSIVE SUPERANNUATION PACKAGE !!.PLUS PURKS.ER PERKS !!..
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    12:50pm
    Jen, I would extend that to all levels of government.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    1:44pm
    Ask Eddy abide that. he knows a lot about gas and stuff.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:21pm
    retroy: Whilst you have a point you miss the fact that many of our politicians are IDIOTS whom you would not trust with funds from a fetelet alone prudent decisions.
    Americans look after their own. That's why Americans pay less than 85 cents a litre for their fuel. And Americans have already introduced export restrictions with theirsipposedly abundant coal seam gas so that their population and business get first bite. NOT IN AUSTRALIA.
    The Howard regime (yes Liberal!!) let the world's third largest LNG deposit (Gorgon) go to offshore investors. it is now in the hands of US company Chevron Which has an attrocious environmental record. All the gas is now already sold into Asia. Not one single molecule for Australians.
    We hear governments talk about Australians providing for their retirements. I did. I owned shares in the above company as I understood the value of energy and the magnificent reserve we had. But as always occurs AUSTRALIANS WERE SOLD OUT AGAIN. So you think that the Liberal side of politics is worthy of your vote???? Think again as this side of politics panders to big business and the rich and big business in this country is DOA and not worthy of the money paid to its failed CEOs and Boards.
    Welcome to reality fellow Australians. This is the reason why we have to stop voting for the same imbeciles with their benefactors to repay after elections. So what are you going to do???? Good luck.
    marty1468
    7th Aug 2014
    10:06am
    It's an absolute disgrace that profit over the people is occurring. It shows how corrupt the country has become. I worked in the Middle east for 9 years where petrol prices are still to this day 60c per litre. There's no reason why the people of Australia, who rightly own this resource" should have to pay extra for it. I'm disgusted.
    Anonymous
    7th Aug 2014
    12:42pm
    I agree, its totally disgraceful. Gas & electricity should be provided to Australians as a basic requirement on a not for profit basis; what the hell are the politicians thinking?!
    Wstaton
    7th Aug 2014
    1:44pm
    I do not mind a company making a profit but not this way. The cost to locals should be the cost of production plus a reasonable profit margin. I bet you one thing if world prices plummeted I bet the cost to you and I wouldn't, they would try and make it up probably by increasing our prices.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    2:24pm
    The only thing coming into this Country now is Boat and Plane loads of (Refugees ) Economic Desperados !! How are we going to House them and Give them the Dole for life ?? I guess the only way will be to LOWER our Politicians Packages !!
    Sen.Cit.90
    7th Aug 2014
    3:11pm
    I'm with you Marty; years ago I also worked in Iran and Abu Dhabi where the locals all benefited with very low costs.
    Oil and Gas companies here have our weak Governments over a barrel afraid to legislate against their racketeering. It's time for a big shake-up of our parliamentary system.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:23pm
    More like stupidity first, profit second and damn the inhabitants. If what is currently happening with Australian gas prices is anything to go by then maybe we really do need a Mining Tax to stop this sort of plundering by foreigners.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:23pm
    More like stupidity first, profit second and damn the inhabitants. If what is currently happening with Australian gas prices is anything to go by then maybe we really do need a Mining Tax to stop this sort of plundering by foreigners.
    bletch
    7th Aug 2014
    10:10am
    I changed to gas from electric heating and hot water becuase it is too expensive.
    If they bump up gas charges I will change to solar
    Then where to from there ??????
    I have a very limited disposable income to survive on !
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    11:29am
    Same here !! I just asked Joe for a Loan !! What are My Chances ??..
    After Ridiculous Rent, Dirty Electricity, Fracked Gas and FREE $700 Bucks a Year Registration Plus Petrol !! I've got My Azz Hanging out of My Tweeds !!..Where too from Here ??..I'm off to the Salvos now !! Back later!!
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    1:45pm
    Joe said here the ash from my Imported cigar, will keep you warm.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:24pm
    Solar hot water. Its free. And get some warm clothing for winter. Tough but it works.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    9:58pm
    got that mick, the sun power is free but the water is not. got solar power as well.
    and a wood heater as the wood is free, where I get it.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    10:07pm
    Back to the old Chip Heater Beauty !!.. We used to use Pine Cones from the forest in SA !! Price...SFA !! And no Carbon Tax !!
    Kato
    8th Aug 2014
    3:46pm
    where can you buy the old wood chip heater for hot water, they were great.
    particolor
    9th Aug 2014
    8:34pm
    I left 2 of them Under the house when I left South Aussie 20 Years Back if You can find them You can Have Them !!
    Kato
    10th Aug 2014
    6:59pm
    not in port territory is it.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2014
    7:18pm
    No !! But I looked on Google Maps and the House is gone now !!
    Anonymous
    11th Aug 2014
    8:26am
    Kato, no, no, no, using wood is not environmentally friendly. You are polluting the atmosphere. Just grab a blanket ;).
    [email protected]
    7th Aug 2014
    10:23am
    Until a renewable energy source that covers base-load demand is developed and made available at a comparable price to coal and gas fired energy, there is only one solution. And it should be blindingly obvious to everyone in a country with the world's largest reserves of uranium, especially the clowns in Canberra. It's called Nuclear Power. Start building the power stations NOW!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    10:46am
    And You Too can GLOW GREEN IN THE DARK !!..
    Mayor of Fukishima ...
    KSS
    7th Aug 2014
    2:42pm
    I agree [email protected] we should be doing more on the renewable energy front such as changing the building code of Australia to say that ALL new buildings (residential, industrial, commercial) must have solar energy, energy storage (batteries), underground water tanks etc. Then apply the same rules to extensive renovations of existing buildings.

    I also agree with you on the nuclear energy front too. There are many other countries that have been using nuclear energy for years and have never had issues with it.

    A definition of madness is to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. We cannot keep using fossil fuels - they are running out and getting too expensive and prices will only continue to rise. That's the law of supply and demand. We have to put something in place now or be prepared to go without or pay much more.
    Wstaton
    7th Aug 2014
    4:10pm
    I often see building companies offer bonuses like $20,000 worth of stuff for you to choose from inside your house but not one offer putting in Solar panels. Someone missed a selling point here.

    As far as Nuclear Power stations it seems all the failures was due to companies cutting corners to save cost, Typical.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:26pm
    Reneuables are free after purchasing the hardware but just like colour TVs we will have to wait for many years before they annihilate coal on cost.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    10:43am
    I'M GLAD I'M OLD !!
    maxchugg
    7th Aug 2014
    11:44am
    Me too!
    I seem to recall a fuss years ago when the domestic price of gas was about 10 times what the Japanese were paying. I wonder what the difference is now between what we pay compared with the rest of the world.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    12:12pm
    As someone wrote below there (Young Simmo)!! I used to go Camping (Not all that Long Ago) and fill My 9 Kilo bottle of Gas up for about 8 Bucks roughly !! . I went to fill it a Month back and was flattened by 45 Bucks and told them to Stick it where the Bull ants Bite !!..I'll Light a Bloody Fire to Cook My 2 Minute Noodles !! In the safe Season Of Coarse !! Not that those New Immigrants care ? I've seen them light one on a Total Fire Ban Day ??.. They copped a Bucket of Water over it for their Troubles !! And I never Understood a Bloody word of their Protests ???
    biddi
    7th Aug 2014
    1:04pm
    Regarding 'opinion' article, what do they mean "a failed assylum seeker policy"?
    I think Abbott and Scott Morrison are doing their best to control the influx courtesy of
    ex KRudd.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    2:57pm
    Do some people think that Kevie Sent them VIP Invitations ??.. Because that's the Impression I get !! Are they Insinuating that He did a deal with their Countries of Departure for FREE Gas and Coal, for Invasion Loads of Refugees ?? They would have came anyhow !! No matter WHO was TRYING to run the show here !!..
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:27pm
    particolor: Cat Stevens quote? "Old but I'm happy"? I hope so. Cheers.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    9:36pm
    Mick I'm Happy !!..GUFAAAW !!... I heard thismorning that coal was down to 90 bucks a tonn from 190 Bucks is that true ?? but My power wast Snipped in half, it was Dearer ??
    Pass the Ductape
    8th Aug 2014
    8:08am
    Yes I think I have to agree with you particolor? Their plan is working.....It's Masterful!!

    Worry the poor old pensioner into an early grave by espousing all the awful things they have to look forward to in the near future - and you solve several problems all at the one time.
    bletch
    7th Aug 2014
    10:47am
    I am looking at leaving this beautiful great country we live in because it is getting so hard
    to live and get by nowadays with all costs continually rising.
    My salary is not!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    10:57am
    Even My Celery wont Germinate here now ??
    Paddles
    7th Aug 2014
    2:55pm
    Every thing in the garden is rosy, except the rhubarb and it's sticking up for itself.
    Auction Girl
    7th Aug 2014
    10:48am
    And it's being dictated by Chinese owned Singaporean based gas distributor !!!!!
    Our BLOODY useless governments are kow towing to this !!!! DISGUSTED and can't wait for the next State & Federal elections.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    11:33am
    This is what happens when you sell off all the Peoples Assets, you have to rely on them for your revenue, when the pollies mismanage that who do they blame, well the people of course.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    11:48am
    Do you think they will Blame the Deficit at the end of their term this time on the People Paying them too much ??..
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    1:11pm
    OF COURSE IT'S YOUR FAULT, you and your parents didn't work hard enough when you were young and you didn't become millionaires , billionaires able to afford these luxuries (others call these necessities) in life. How can you blame politicians for making a quick buck by (with your permission) stealing then selling your resources. Gee you people have a hide.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    1:42pm
    heyyou -yeah sorry about that, Ill flog myself with a wet lettuce leaf when I steal one out of the bin at coles. I was a billionaire once when I visited Bali, but when I got back to oz it was only worth two bob?
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    2:04pm
    particolor
    Do you think they will Blame the Deficit at the end of their term this time on the People Paying them too much ??.. why yes "Dorothy" said so?
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    2:48pm
    Kato-be careful when you go to Coles, I saw a homeless man steal a tin of soup from there once. 3 employees chased him down the street to recover it, would not let me pay for the item for him. Oh well just have to lay back, cop it, think of England.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    3:03pm
    I'll bet the Poor Bugger gets sent to Tasmania on a Prison Ship !!
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:30pm
    Auction Girl: I understand your frustration. Maybe consider doing what I do and vote for a good Independent to get rid of the cancer which our politics has become. But be aware that ours lives will get worse before they get better as both sides play out the pantomines they enjoy peddling. The public is always the loser.
    professori_au
    10th Aug 2014
    11:28pm
    Mick. I agree with you Vote for an independent once you inform that if elected he/she carries out the Will of the people. Can't trust political factions. they have already sold us out. I was reading an article written by some legal research people, providing high court decisions how the government (invalid) can change the constitution without going to the people. It showed how the people have been misinformed.
    Fact:
    1 The preamble states: We, the people, not parliament; not government; not political factions.
    2. Come together to create an indissolvable Constitution. Meaning (a.) Not dissolvable; incapable of being dissolved or separated; incapable o/ separation; perpetually firm and binding; indissoluble; as, an indissolvable bond of union.
    3. However, as it cannot be dissolved, it can be amended, subject to going to the people, where there must be a majority of the States and territories and a majority of the people voting for the amendment within each state and territory.
    We can see how the factions have blatantly ignored the will of the people and taken control by relying on the ignorance of the people about their rights.
    They have set up corporations and using corporate laws taken those rights away and until the people speak loudly and clearly will continue to asset strip our country.
    I would argue that all contracts and agreement made between these corporations with other foreign powers is invalid, therefor should be ignored and the contracts, etc. declared null and void.
    Under the Constitution no lawyers should be in Parliament.
    Another ploy used by the politicians is called a Plebiscite. A plebiscite is the direct vote of all the members of an electorate on an important public question such as a change in the constitution. It is not a referendum, therefore cannot replace one. More simply we could say it is a "claytons referendum" when you try to convince the public it without using the referendum procedure.
    The comments I have made are just the beginning of how government is invalid
    particolor
    11th Aug 2014
    7:28am
    I've said that for Quiet a long time now that Governments are doing things Illegally !!
    Without the Authority of the Majority of the People !!.
    Important Decisions and the Changing of Legislation and Sell Offs of Public Assets should be put to a Referendum by the People !! But don't forget, What would us Dumb Surfs know??..Just run Rough Shod over the top of them. Let them Eat Cake !!
    MICK
    11th Aug 2014
    9:21am
    professori: I do not disagree with your sentiments but "we the people" are no more than those who have a donkey vote for whatever side of politics which the vested interests have put into office through the power of advertising. That is the reason we have the current government....2 years of one sided promotion by big business and wealthy individuals like rupert Murdoch.
    Whilst you have a theoretical approach the reality is that once in they will do as they like and bugger "we the people".
    It appears that there are only 2 ways to change a bad situation. The irst is by ignoring the political advertising and voting in Independents...it does not matter if you vote for Billy the Blacksmith in this respect. The second is insurrection, civil disobedience and even revolution (the last resort). This is what happens in nations where disenfranchised citizens have had enough.
    bletch
    7th Aug 2014
    10:56am
    And the trouble now is that we had one government who could not manage a budget and took this country into billions of debt. And a new government (who I voted for) who does not care about older Australians or the quality for ordinary Australians.
    Next election will be a massive result of informal donkey votes I expect!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    11:03am
    I can Sketch a very Impressive Naval Destroyer on My long Voting Paper !! You know ? That one like Half a Toilet Roll !!.. A whole Tasmanian Tree died for sheet Sheet of Bunkum ??
    Auction Girl
    7th Aug 2014
    11:35am
    Sorry Bletch but have to correct you on the debt situation - the fault with that was not with the incumbent government but is due to PERSONAL debt particularly due to our grossly over inflated housing Ponzi scheme. While I agree with you the ALP government had a lot to answer for that one is not one of them.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    11:35am
    Neither of them could manage a piss up in a brewery, and that goes for the lot over the last thirty odd years. Prostituted the Australian people they have.
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    12:45pm
    The previous government also had a GFC crisis to contend with Bletch that so many people, including this current government, conveniently seem to forget, also our debt and deficit is in a far better state then most developed countries in spite of what the govt and Murdoch press would have you believe, why even Joe Hockey told NZ on his recent visit there that our economy was ok.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    1:48pm
    Misty = yes you are right, and it must be okay, Smokin Joe flew first class in a RAAF Jet.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:31pm
    bletch: There's an old saying that if it ain't working then try something DIFFERENT: vote for a good Independent and change the game. What do we have to lose?
    Rosscoe
    7th Aug 2014
    11:28am
    Ian MacFarlane did a great job with Holdens and Toyota, didn't he? I'm afaid this batch of Federal Ministers haven't got a clue!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    11:36am
    I'm running around now in My Great Wall !!.. Smooth as an FJ Holden on a Redex Trial !!.. I've only hit My head on the roof 4 times so far, I think I will book into the Home for the Bewildered ??
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    1:49pm
    Mcarfalne sounds like he has been sucking on the tailpipe of those holdens and Toyotas.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    1:52pm
    particolor - so you are off to Parliament.
    KSS
    7th Aug 2014
    1:57pm
    I really don't think that you can blame this Government for the demise of Holden and Toyota. The decision to close operations in Australia would have been made well before the election. It is only the actioning of that decision that came after.

    And frankly I am glad I am no longer paying an overseas company to keep a failing industry alive in Australia. If you want to buy a Holden or Toyota car you still can. Problem is not enough people did which made it unsustainable for them to stay even with the huge handouts they got from the previous Government.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    2:02pm
    Kato.. No ! Not Just yet !! I'm not quiet ready yet !!! I'm still considered Half Sane !!
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    2:05pm
    havn't got the drawback down pat yet ay.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    2:13pm
    Do You want Me to Gag ?? Joe does enough Gagging for the Whole Country !!.
    PASS MY BUDGET You You !!!....Or I'll get very Cross and turn Pink again !!
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    2:36pm
    Yeah don't you feel sorry for him, he said on the news this morning that he feels every one is against him, see how bright he is.
    geomac
    7th Aug 2014
    9:15pm
    KSS
    Other car manufacturing countries had high tariffs while we had 5% . Smoking Joe and Abbott killed off the car industry prematurely and now we 6.4% unemployment and a govt blaming workers for not having a job . Training ? nah just feed on fresh air for six months or work for the dole painting stones . Of course there is the green army . Is everything an operation this or that or an army ? No basic wage or the normal cover every worker gets if injured . Even the army provides its troops with that stuff but not the green army , ghost army ?
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:34pm
    Rosscoe: And the Howard government sold Australia's largest LNG deposit to foreign investors. The current government is run by the Howard left overs so what are you going to get? At least Howard was not totally dishonest and malicious but like the current lot he was stupid and apparently put Australia's interests last or at the very least a long way down the list.
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2014
    10:38am
    KSS: It was ALL PREVIOUS GOVERNMENTS giving hand-outs to the car industry forever and ever. You can't put the blame on the previous government only.
    ray @ Bondi
    7th Aug 2014
    11:32am
    I believe this is why most things cost to much here, whatever it goes overseas, but then we are almost a 3rd world country
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    1:59pm
    ray - what do you mean, almost.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    2:07pm
    Something dawned on Me Yesterday ?? They don't charge You to Pump Your Tyres up at the Service Station ?? YET !!!
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:36pm
    I sort of agree Ray. Third world economies flog off everything and live off the royalties. This is what is happening here too. We are so dumb that we cannot develop anything here. Sad.
    btony
    7th Aug 2014
    11:34am
    Just on the side, autogas prices have long been decided by the Saudi-Aramco price.When I made enquiries as to why, when we can produce enough gas for our use, the reply was,'we sell overseas so you too have to pay the price we can get there. Say no more.
    bletch
    7th Aug 2014
    11:39am
    Then what will be their response if Australian people opt out of gas. Are they going to be satisfied with exporting gas only. People in Australia will not want because it is too expensive! Then the SH-- will hit the fan suddenly won't it?
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    11:40am
    Not True btony..WE PAY MORE !!
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    12:49pm
    Why then don't the Arabs have to pay the same price for petrol in their countries that we do here?.
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    1:17pm
    Arabs are smarter than Australians. They kill their leaders over there when they displease the population.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    1:41pm
    So do South Americans !! Step around the Back of the Shed pliz, Ex El Presidento for Your Pension !!!..End of Story !!...
    RIP.......
    KSS
    7th Aug 2014
    1:58pm
    I thought petrol prices were also linked to the Singapore price!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    2:15pm
    Yes So is Telstra Now !!
    KSS
    7th Aug 2014
    2:26pm
    And some of Qantas?
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    2:37pm
    And Optus.
    KSS
    7th Aug 2014
    2:44pm
    And the Chinese (among others) have the arable land and water rights.......
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    3:08pm
    HMMM ?? I like Rice !!
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:37pm
    btony: Welcome to Australia.
    btony
    8th Aug 2014
    11:44am
    Thanks Mick,but I didn't come to Oz, I sprouted here :-)
    Tom Tank
    7th Aug 2014
    11:46am
    The combined joys of privatisation and globilisation, not to mention free trade agreements.
    Boy have we been led down the garden path.
    We certainly are rushing to become the poor white trash of Asia being led by a bunch of donkeys, sorry to real donkeys for sullying your reputation.
    But wait there is more to come with the States set to receive Federal funding if they privatise even more assets.
    Meanwhile our Immigration Dept is so concentrating their resources on stopping the boats potential terrorists, criminals, and similar unwelcome types are strolling in through our airports.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    11:57am
    There's nothing like an Invigorating Stroll around the Airport in a FREE Country !!..
    Now to Change their Religion !!..
    I thought You wrote Goblinization up there ??.. He Haw !!
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    1:28pm
    To add insult to injury, did you realise that Sydney airport hasn't paid tax in 10 years and Transurban (largest toll road provider) paid 3 million in tax whilst making one billion dollars form tolls. Transurban CEO was paid 4.9 million last year, earned more than tax paid. How many of you bloggers can top that?
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    1:44pm
    Not Me Tom...I only paid Half My Pension Back in GST !!
    Paddles
    7th Aug 2014
    3:07pm
    Tom Tank

    The difference between illegal boat people and arriving air passengers can be summed up in one word..........DOCUMENTATION!
    Documentation in and of itself, is no guarantee of honesty and good intentions but it sure makes it a hell of a lot easier to keep track of them. Most of the boat people have taken good care to NOT have any papers which might reveal the truth.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:40pm
    Tom Tank: "Free trade" = flog off to Asia because Asia can do it cheaper. So you wonder why jobs are disappearing in this country. And you wonder what Australians are supposed to do to survive here. And you wonder what will happen as more and more Australians end up on social security. You don't have to be very smart to understand that this cannot continue before the music stops. Then expect the population to take an interest....called shutting the gate after the horse has bolted. Too late mate!!
    Young Simmo
    7th Aug 2014
    11:57am
    In WA we have been getting ripped off for years. I don't know about piped gas, but with bottled gas the resellers have no conscience.
    EG: A 9 kilo bottle is $40 to $43 at the local suppliers, and $23 at Bunnings.
    EG 2: 45kilo bottle $188 equates to $2 per litre.
    The same stuff for your car costs $127 per litre.

    The only way to describe the Kleenheat rip-off is, stuff the people let’s make millions for our share holders, you could say,
    “BIG 4 BANK ATTITUDE“.

    It is said up above WA, is doing it right, well somebody doesn’t know
    “RIGHT FROM WRONG”.
    Young Simmo
    7th Aug 2014
    12:00pm
    Oop's $127 per litre should have read, $1.27 per litre.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    12:00pm
    Yes !! I read that and was as Befuddled as You ??..
    Young Simmo
    7th Aug 2014
    1:10pm
    I hear somebody saying, "why don't you buy it at Bunnings"?.
    Answer: Bunnings is 450 kms from Carnarvon.
    MITZY
    7th Aug 2014
    5:06pm
    Young Simmo: I have LPG for a gas oven/cooktop and gas hot water - the rest is electricity.
    My 45kg. gas cylinder delivered three weeks ago cost me $112.00. The previous bottle cost me $124.00. I rang my electricity supplier (Origin Energy) (NSW) and asked if they could recommend a gas supplier in my region and they indicated Shoalhaven Gas as they co-operate with one another. I was previously using El-Gas at Batemans Bay (10 minutes away from my home) and a couple of years ago they were charging $156 per 45kg. and also a $70 annual fee for maintenance on the bottles!!!! Shoalhaven Gas at Nowra is a two hour drive away from Batemans Bay and there are no delivery charges or maintenance fees whatsoever.
    We have KleenHeat here too, but they are as expensive as El-Gas.
    I am happy with my current supplier. Maybe you could check and see if you can get a better deal through your electricity supplier?
    Pass the Ductape
    9th Aug 2014
    8:18pm
    MITZY - If you're getting a 45kg bottle of gas for either $112 or $124, you are doing extremely well.

    Elgas, which is the gas supplier I use, is the same as Young Simmo has indicated - $188 a bottle - and I'm at a loss as to how he worked it out as $2 a kilo - I think his maths needs a workout. Try $4+ a kilo Simmo.....
    Young Simmo
    9th Aug 2014
    8:27pm
    Ductape try $2 per Kilo, I thought it was fairly clear.
    I gave my maths a workout before I said that.
    I Googled Gas Kilo / Litre calcs.
    particolor
    9th Aug 2014
    8:32pm
    Lets Split the Dif and stop all Arguments $3 a Kilo !!..
    CEO HellGas.....
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2014
    10:51am
    Ductape: I don't think you are convinced about what I have written about the cost to me of my 45kg LPG cylinder as you indicate "if you're getting .... ".
    I can assure you that the last two prices I quoted above are correct. I have the invoices in my files. The $124 charge was in January this year and the $112 charge was in June this year. The supplier Shoalhaven Gas at Nowra approximately two hours drive away from Batemans Bay NSW. I have no idea what the natural gas costs are, but in Batemans Bay we can only purchase LPG bottles.
    Young Simmo
    11th Aug 2014
    1:29pm
    Ductape's reference to $4 / Kilo, has no connection to my $2 / LITRE I quoted in my first comment above where I was referring to Auto-Gas.
    Young Simmo
    11th Aug 2014
    4:06pm
    OK here's another example of how the general public are being screwed.

    A 9 Kilo bottle of gas at my Caravan Park $40 to refill.

    At Mitre 10, an exchange bottle of gas is $45

    At Bunnings an exchange bottle of gas is $23

    I wont mention Auto Gas, as it seem, to confuse a few people.
    Bob
    7th Aug 2014
    12:04pm
    Australian politicians seem to have an aversion for helping the people of their own country. One of the problems is they spend so much time overseas socializing with foreign politicians that they have forgotten that they are Australians. They regard themselves as 'Globals'. They also spend to much time socializing with CEO's. And some of these CEO types have dominant personalities. Aussie politicians are intimidated by these executives.
    We need the government to have ministers that are tough and can stand up to these fellows.If they do not have the talent then they should hire tough negotiators to the public service to push back against these executives and protect the Australian citizens against exploitation.Australians should benefit from their natural resources.
    bletch
    7th Aug 2014
    12:07pm
    Well Said Bob
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    12:18pm
    One of them is now working on becoming a Statesman !! Er Er Duh !!
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    1:32pm
    Spot on Bob, but first you have to get the politicians out of the anuses of the rich and powerful.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:43pm
    I agree with you Bob. We need politicians who put THE PUBLIC INTEREST FIRST. Do you think that our freehold farming would currently be available for sale to foreign governments if the public and national interest were put first.
    We are so stupid, naive and different to other countries which hold on to their valuable assets. In Australia its all fair game for a quick buck and no regard for future generations.
    auriga0
    7th Aug 2014
    12:11pm
    The Government must protect Australian Customers first and almost, it is our resource as a country and we have a right to cheaper prices before the rest of the world.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    12:24pm
    Some Sensible Countries Use the Best and Export the Rest !! Not Us ?
    Quiet the Contrary ??.. Enjoy Your TOUGH STEAK at 3 times the Price of Export !!
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    1:57pm
    the stone to tenderise the steak is in the post.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    1:57pm
    mind you I had to put charge to receiver.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    3:00pm
    Wind it through an old Washing Machine Wringer on TIGHT a Dozen Times !!!
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:45pm
    Auriga0: Yes. That is what a good and patriotic government would do...but don't expect this from either side of politics in this country.
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    12:22pm
    STOP PRESS.. They have managed to Cheese the Ruskies off now and no more Beef to Russia for a Year ?? Export Quality Steak here soon at a Reasonable Price ? Well Maybe !!..JK...
    retroy
    8th Aug 2014
    1:41pm
    Particolor
    You don't know where to buy decent steak, unless you are trying to get something good out of "economy" grade.
    It is a fallacy to say the best steak is exported.
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    3:30pm
    No its not !! But the Butcher must eat that !
    Economy Cows should be Banned !!
    I'm saving up to Buy some Scraggy old Lamb Chops for a change, cant afford a Leg of lamb ! There's Cob Webs in My Oven !! And anyhow It costs more to cook it than to buy it !! We have to pay our Electricity Bill on Time Payment now ??.. And My gas bottle is Empty and staying that way !! I feel much better after that Whinge !! Thanks...
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2014
    10:58am
    Apparently there are quite a lot of Aussie products Russia has decided to stop us exporting to them. However, at the week-end they made a statement that they will not stop us exporting our RED WINE. Why should we let them have our red wine to drown the miserable souls in. We need all the red wine we can get for ourselves.
    I think we should have a new song, .... Let the red wine flow ... etc. sung to Graeme Connors beaut Aussie song "Let the canefields burn".
    particolor
    11th Aug 2014
    3:38pm
    When the Exports Resume I wonder if they would like some Juicy Tender Cane Toads ??
    noddy45
    7th Aug 2014
    12:20pm
    As is usual the governments in Australia follow what happens overseas with the exception of prices falling we only follow when prices rise, if an overseas government lowers prices on any commodity Australia chooses to ignor it but any price rise and they jump on it immediately.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    12:31pm
    You cant buy Cubans by lowering prices !! Every big Company and Government knows that !!.. Now Do some Heavy Lifting !!
    Polly Esther
    7th Aug 2014
    12:25pm
    Guess I'll just have to connect my pipe to Canberra then, plenty of free gas being exuded from there. It's pretty thin though, not much substance but.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    12:35pm
    EXHALED Cigar Smoke don't Burn !!
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    12:52pm
    Love it The flying doctor, totally agree.
    Anonymous
    7th Aug 2014
    12:53pm
    not much substance but.....the stink!
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    2:01pm
    Yeah but the Canberra gas is taxpayer funded.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    2:02pm
    Yeah but the Canberra gas is taxpayer funded.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    2:07pm
    there's an echo there somewhere.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    3:13pm
    Yes its the pipes banging from an Air Lock !!
    ANONYMOUS
    7th Aug 2014
    12:26pm
    The trouble with ALL the State and Federal Govts is that hasty decisions and choices keep being made without any common sense or care for AUSTRALIA and its people.

    Charity and Resources ownership begins at home and WE should be the ones to chose BEFORE they sell off our NON Renewables!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THE RESOURCES BELONG TO AUSTRALIANS, OUR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN NOT STATE OR FEDERAL GOVTS!!!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    12:38pm
    You wont get far in Politics with that Attitude !!
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:49pm
    Whilst you are correct Anonymous the fact that something belongs to the nation is of little consequence to our idiots who are above the law and not accountable for their actions.
    I'd love to see a clause that could see their superannuation cancelled if it were shown that decisions had been made which were against the public interest. If that were the case the Howard regime would have few of their cohort sucking on the public purse given some of their monumental decisions...and the other side would not be too far behind them I dare say.
    bletch
    7th Aug 2014
    12:48pm
    We can play games to and fro all day Misty in what governments were bad and what we support. To say that our deficit is not really bad compared to others does not make it right or okay!!!!
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    12:57pm
    Depends how you look at things I guess Bletch but this govt takes the cake, our unemployment higher then the USA FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2003, where are all the jobs TA and Co PROMISED at the last election?. Please don't waste your vote on a donkey vote at the next election, so many people died preserving our right to vote, don't squander it.
    Paddles
    7th Aug 2014
    3:19pm
    bletch

    If you are going to be run over by truck, whether it is a 5 tonner or a 10 tonner is largely academic. The nd result is much the same and there are no degrees of "dead".

    As for Misty's little morsel, what did she expect when the coalition was voted in? The hiring of another million or so public servants? If so, then I'm afraid that she is getting the two major parties mixed up.
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    7:59pm
    Definitely not more PS jobs Paddles, I assumed TA and CO were talking about real jobs but no sign of them so far in my area just more empty shops for the first time in years.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:52pm
    The "deficit" was a political lie from this government to get itself elected just like the Carbon Tax which they claimed were the cause of high electricity prices...so have you electricity bills come down 75% to where they were before the tax?
    Whilst there was a deficit and living beyond your means is never good we had a GFC where Australians were not sacked en mass, and the deficit is not what this government made it out to be. Undesirable yes. The end of the nation no.
    Nick
    7th Aug 2014
    1:21pm
    Over the last few years the US has been considering export opf LNG. The process has been drawn out as there has been an extensive, US Government agencies led, process of internal discussion to debate with internal US consumers on the merits of such export and the potential impact on internal US gas prices - long the lowest in the world. The outcome of LNG exports most predict will be only a modest if any impact on internal gas prices.

    Has there been any such discussion in Australia before the massive volumes of LNG exports have been committed? Setting aside volumes of gas reserves and prescribing their price should have been done in agreement with the companies planning to supply the gas and export the LNG before approval was given. The cost would have come from their bottom line and so reduced the profits repatriated to these mostly overseas companies.

    If that provision was too much for the project to bear, then it would have been better for the project not to go ahead. But that would not have been the case - there is ample long term profit incentive for the companies to have absorbed such a domestic gas protection requirement.

    If the outcome on gas prices is these moving to international parity, I expect it can be attributed to the National and State government divide. Being on-shore reserves, I imagine the Queensald state government of the day was more concerned to gain political benefits of these projects going ahead than what should have been a national government concern on Australia's domestic energy cost and supplies.

    The US is a good example to follow here. It is the federal government that takes control of exports of its exports of natural resources. But that is the same in Australia too. So I guess also the National government of the day should be blamed for allowing these exports without due consideration of the impact on domestic gas prices.
    Wstaton
    7th Aug 2014
    2:04pm
    Thanks Nick, Saved me the job of telling people that US does not export LNG and local prices are much lower than ours.

    There is nothing wrong with exporting SURPLUS LNG but it should be surplus not as much as you can causing a shortage locally.

    Considering this government seems to be trying to follow the US capitalism way of life it seems strange that they have not picked up on this.

    Get your finger out government govern for the people.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:55pm
    Nick: Its not that LNG from Australia has been sold to foreigners, its that the ownership of the resource was sold to foreigners. And so the new owners extract the maximum profit (Asia) because our impotent governments let it happen.
    This is called betrayal and none of us should be voting for either side.
    Wstaton
    7th Aug 2014
    1:39pm
    This is a big problem for Australia and the reason why our cost of living is one of the highest in the world. Yet it is blamed on higher wages in Australia.

    Progressive governments allowed this, the same is with oil. It is geared to the Singapore price. Despite the fact that we have some of our own oil supplies.

    Apart from this a lot of the profits end up going overseas so it's great to hear about politicians saying it is bringing money into Australia but fail to say that a great proportion of it turns around and goes back out again. The fact also is that a lot of these profitsitable companies end up paying very little tax on these profits means that we are actually subsidising thes overseas investers income. Gearing the local gas to world prices also mean that they are subsidised even further us the local user because ofthe high prices we end up paying.

    Do something government and protect the people who you are supposed to protect.

    These dimwits cannot see that this is increasing our cost of living and that our own resources are contributing to this.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    1:55pm
    The higher Wages are NEEDED to pay the higher PRISES !!.. Now we know why Fido chases His Tail !!
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    3:04pm
    This reminds me, I must go down to the local Golden Fleece garage to fill up.

    OH SHITE !
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    9:58pm
    As we sell off the last remnants of what we as a nation own (not much left) we will be paying more and more. Don't forget that selling off our jobs as well as those businesses which could bring us export dollrs means that at some time our dollar will drop like a lead brick, ouir interest rates will be sky high and there will be very few jobs here. Not a bright future but this is the price for not being involved in the political debate.
    jaybee
    7th Aug 2014
    1:58pm
    Singaporeans & Chinese dictating our gas prices to us. Thank you politicians, especially the Libs & LNP.
    For those who keep whinging about the "deficit", read Australia's Balance sheet which includes ASSETS as well as LIABILITIES rather than just the Commonwealth debt which is only a component of Liabilities. Our assets have increased faster than our debt as shown by Treasury reports not reported by Murdoch & the shock-jocks. Also compare our Commonwealth debt to other nations and you will realise that it is far better than most nations including Germany, the US, Japan, etc, etc. Please don't keep displaying your ignorance or gullibility.
    bletch
    7th Aug 2014
    2:03pm
    Being an absolute expert Jaybee on this matter must make you feel really good!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    2:32pm
    I don't think jaybe would have Posted that do You ? without some sort of Honesty and Credibility !!
    Wstaton
    7th Aug 2014
    4:15pm
    What assets, Aren't we flogging them off!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    5:30pm
    Don't leave Your Teeth in a Glass on the Bedside Table !! They wont be there in the Morning !!
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:02pm
    jaybe: I'd be interested in seeing that report as it is highly unlikely that out assets are growing as we are selling off everything and consuming the money (in part) with high lifestyles and people wanting a free ride.
    Reeper
    7th Aug 2014
    2:07pm
    What is it with this site that has to turn everything into a political issue. David Fallick is a failed public servant with an obvious axe to grind. Gas prices have nothing to do with national leadership or the previous government would have addressed the issue. Stop blaming politicians for the state of utility supply...you voted them in!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    2:38pm
    WELL I CERTAINLY DIDNT !! Nobody stands in front of Me in Red Speedos Waffling On and gets believed !!..
    KSS
    7th Aug 2014
    2:48pm
    If one of your family were drowning I don't think you would care who was wearing the red speedos or why, as long as they saved your loved one!
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    3:14pm
    Reeper-I agree with you, it's all the dirty unwashed peoples fault, they run the country, they made all the wrong decisions, the rich politicians are just going about their rightful business exploiting their country.
    I'm not ever taking off my rose glasses.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:03pm
    Ultimately politicans and their bureaucrats make the decisions they want. We have little say. So who you gonna blame?
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    10:07pm
    KSS -but what If the loved one had a good Insurance policy, who would have there hand out.
    mercman
    7th Aug 2014
    2:24pm
    Don't expect the Industry Minister to support any change - he most is probably looking for a cushy job working in the mining/gas industry when he leaves politics.
    Funny how a lot of politicians move to the industry related to their portfolios when in Parliament, or they become lobbyists for them
    It is about time that the law was changed so no politician can work for a company which they had dealings for 5 years after leaving politics.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    2:42pm
    OMG !!! Does that mean the Minister for Education will be Head Master at Plum in Mouths Private College ??
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:06pm
    Or better still perhaps he is already under the control of big business who stumped up the money to get him elected. So why did the Liberal Party veto changes to the current system which has landed so many state Liberal Party pollies in trouble and forced them to resign? Its not rocket science.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    10:12pm
    on his step stool.
    particolor
    9th Aug 2014
    8:41pm
    Soap Boxes are in Short Supply Kato!! I've been burning them to keep Warm !!
    mercman
    7th Aug 2014
    2:46pm
    Not the Headmaster, but possibility sitting on the board responsible for setting the curriculum making sure it follows the correct learning.
    Paddles
    7th Aug 2014
    2:51pm
    David Fallick

    A direct quote from your diatribe.........."from a failed budget and asylum seeker policy, ".

    Would you care to expand on your definition of failure as applied to stopping the illegal boat people from hitting our shores?
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    8:05pm
    How do you know they are illegal?, no one knows that for sure until they are processed and it is certainly not illegal to seek asylum.
    Paddles
    7th Aug 2014
    8:45pm
    Crossing the borders of a sovereign nation without authorisation is ILLEGAL.

    Simple as that Misty!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    8:55pm
    Indonesia was a Safe Country !? And they sang from the same Hymn Sheet ??
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    10:19pm
    Did all those people fleeing Syria into neighbouring countries stop at the border to be processed?, I don't think so and they were not called Illegal.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    10:22pm
    Paddles - that is why the Aboriginals call us ILLEGALS.
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    10:32pm
    Do your homework Paddles, I just checked on Google and as Australia is a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention it is not illegal for anyone seeking asylum to come to Australia by any means, boats planes etc without documentation, THEY ARE NOT BREAKING ANY AUSTRALIAN LAWS, check for yourself if you don't believe me, there are quite a few different websites but all say the same thing.
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    10:54pm
    Paddles and anyone else on this site who thinks boat people are illegal look up this website, factsfightback.org.au and get the real facts, not what the Govt peddles as facts. Please read the comments at the bottom of the article, quite enlightening, you will have to enter your question, Are boat arrivals in Australia seeking Asylum illegal?.
    Paddles
    7th Aug 2014
    10:58pm
    Misty

    Have a think about this. If we accept the fact that they are genuine refugees (and that is questionable) then the first safe haven that they reach should become their "refuge".

    In almost all cases this was Indonesia where their fear of persecution should have been allayed. But no! Indonesia didn't fit their grand plan, which was to come to the land of milk and honey and sentimentalists which we have in profusion.

    I believe that there are numerous camps in Indonesia under the aegis of the UNHCR so I must assume that they are signatories to Convention that you refer to. Having bypassed Indonesia, they are obviously "country shopping".
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    11:08pm
    Ok! Ok!! !! Stop pushing ! I'm Shoving them into my Barn as fast as I can !!. But I'll need help soon My barn only holds 150 !! So 17 of them will have to go to Misty's place !!
    Misty
    8th Aug 2014
    1:09am
    Paddles Indonesia is not a party to the Refugee Convention, the UNHCR Geneva Roundtable long ago clarified that asylum seekers don't have to remain in a country that does not provide adequate protection, they may be arrested , beaten spend up to 20 years in the camps or sent back to where they came to face persecution or worse. Look it up, check the facts.
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2014
    11:12am
    This question returns for comment on frequent occasions. Indonesia is classified as a "transfer station" for fleeing refugees but not a permanent habitat. Hence once the refugees arrive in Indonesia they are there for a limited time. I believe Indonesia is paid by the UN to provide a short-term safe haven so that the refugees are not forced back from there.
    particolor
    11th Aug 2014
    3:45pm
    SUTHERLAND!! .. All change for CRONULLA !!.. Well that was in the 60s anyhow ??..
    INDONESIA !! All change for AUSTRALIA !!
    Gra
    7th Aug 2014
    2:59pm
    Why should we Australians have to pay a premium for OUR gas just so companies (mostly foreign) can flog our resources off overseas. Not only are these people raping the country, now they want to rape the people that live here.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    3:32pm
    I just sold an old Metters EARLY COOKER to a bloke !! But I didn't tell Him He wont be able to afford to light it !!..
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:07pm
    Don't you just love politicians. Grubs. And now they are selling our farming land to foreign governments without asking the nation if this is ok or not.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    10:24pm
    Mick I got an Email this afternoon that was a Protest Partition to Sign about Selling Half of the Northern Territory to China or something like that !!??????.. I didn't sign it because they wanted that many details about Me I thought I was signing for a Bank Loan ??
    professori_au
    11th Aug 2014
    8:54pm
    Gra. Our alleged governments have sold the resources and assets to foreign power and they do not pay taxes for it, so we lose in both ways. Perhaps we might be able to find some intelligent pollies and send to Norway. I understand it does not have any debt and the big corporations are expected to pay taxes as everyone else, hence it is able to pay its debts.
    Paddles. You consider there is a high level of whinging and small minded criticism of our leaders. Hmmm. I am sorry for your brainwashed views. Our governments are not lawful. They cater for the rich and greedy interests of foreign corporations. The government is corrupt, colluding with these foreign powers. Carrying out the will of the people is a myth. You are only needed to vote for the selected nominations of the factions. After the objective is to ensure the rich pay little or no tax. The poorer will carry them. Before you start accusing me of labor I am a-political. I know that there is no provision for political parties under our Constitution. Those elected were supposed to be accountable to their constituents. Remember Packer's father who proudly published in his media that he paid no personal tax. Remember he was alleged to be Australia's richest man at the time. Abbott is a bully rearing for a brawl; proposing to cmmit Australians to a war where we should not be. Check back on the history of these countries and you will find that the USA interfered in their affairs to ensure they retained some control over the resources. Anything the USA has been involved with usually turned into a disaster. Remember the Korean and Vietnam wars. They lost that and many of our Australian youth died for no reason other than our parliament wanted to lick the boots of tyrants. Our leaders (huh!) are still doing it
    Paddles
    7th Aug 2014
    3:32pm
    One of the things that most puzzles me is the degree of whinging, whining and small minded criticisms of everything that our leaders do. You all seem to think that you have a better handle on it than the people we elected.

    What are you doing staying here? You claim that so much is better overseas yet you continue to hang around with your hand out for any largesse that may be in the offing.

    I guess my overwhelming emotion when I scan these pages is pity. So many of you are bitterly unhappy and appear to judge the glass as being less than half full.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    3:37pm
    YES !! I feel sorry for them too !!.. You wouldn't catch Me saying Anything Untoward against our Keiser !!
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    3:43pm
    But nothing has changed Saint George ?? It has got worse !! Time You Slayed a Dragon or Two !!
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:10pm
    Criticism? Why would you criticise politicians who sell our farming land to foreign governments and who sell strategic national assets to foreigners as well as our jobs. You wouldn't want to criticse them for acting contrary to the national interest would you!
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    10:16pm
    science has proven the glass is never less than half full. ask Dr Karl.
    unicorn
    7th Aug 2014
    4:43pm
    If the Government does not stop selling our products off to the Chinese & Singapore Govts we won't be able to afford to breath soon.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    5:27pm
    Have You seen the price of a Cylinder of OXYGEN ??..OMG !!!
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    10:17pm
    Gasp.
    professori_au
    8th Aug 2014
    1:30am
    I don't know how much truth is in this but I was told by a dairy farmer that the Chinese was buying up dairy farms and sending the products directly to china without paying any taxes. Interesting. Has anybody else heard of this. If this is true, then the so called government has sold us out and has not even received taxes for the production. all moneys apparently go overseas and we get nothing for our assets
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    9:17am
    Professori..Its True !! And we aren't allowed to buy one Handful of Dirt in China ??.
    I think someone is Selling the Farm without Permission ??
    Kato
    9th Aug 2014
    7:53am
    professori_au not only that they get our good stuff and we get there crap stuff via NZ.
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2014
    11:19am
    Driving to the beach for my daily walk with my best mate my doggie, I heard that we had another large contract to export milk to China. Some very new type of milk with PLUS this and PLUS that in the contents and at the end of the spiel the commentator said "And it's exclusively for the Chinese market, no sales ever to Australians".
    Another PLUS for another country and another MINUS for Australia.
    particolor
    11th Aug 2014
    3:48pm
    Its not just the MILK !! They bought the Flamin Farm ???
    Marten
    7th Aug 2014
    5:08pm
    we should be insulated by commonwealth government legislation and ensure the local community is not penalized as already implemented in W.A.
    mogo51
    7th Aug 2014
    5:10pm
    Australia has been selling gas to Japanese for many years at a pittance, whilst domestic cost has soared.
    I am at a loss as to why Australians interests are not protected, but all Governments have allowed Aussie households to continually take the hits - it is little wonder that politicians are held in such disdain whether they be Labor or Liberal.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    5:26pm
    If we cant Beat You, Well Buy You !!.. Actually said somewhere ?
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:14pm
    I recently bought a Cadbury's chocolate cheaper in the US than I can in Australia. The year before I bought Lindemans wine cheaper than in Australia. So why would anyone be surprised that the national interest is talked about but promptly ignored as having no strategic value.
    This is what we are paying large salaries for: idiots in charge of our nation.
    So stop voting for the major parties because YOU are the problem. I mean this is not a football team you are supporting.
    Not Senile Yet!
    7th Aug 2014
    5:51pm
    No one here understands anything about the free trade agreements signed up to by our Politicians on overseas jaunts.....and why should they......they are kept secret from the public for Commercial reasons they say! Not True!....they are kept secret because they do not want you to know how cheaply they are selling out our resources......nor do they want you to know how many jobs will be lost as a direct result of their so-called Good Trades.
    These people are MP's not business people....what the hell would they know about Commercial Enterprise......stuff all.....so they get advisers.....corrupt advisers!!
    Come on.....they can't even make a budget balance!....the Trade Dealers overseas must rub their hands together with GLEE every time an Aussie Politician negotiates a deal....What a Farce!!!
    Sack the Lot Next Election!
    All the Party Machine Puppets are Corrupt as hell!
    Vote the Independents back into Power and the Parties OUT!
    Load the Senate up with Independents to stop their thieving of our taxes and loading up our Cost of Living prices through their corrupt deals!
    The Independants won't be so quick to hurt the Public....they need your vote to get back in!!!
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    8:13pm
    I agree, the more Independents the better, just look at all the toing and froing that is going on now between the Govt and the PUP Party and Independents, God only knows what would have been passed in the Budget if they wern't there.
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:16pm
    It never ceases to amaze me how the nation is lied to by politicians, kept in the dark about their deals and not consulted on decisions which impact on us all. They take us all for dummies and the business owned media, whilst tinkering around the edges, rarely exposes the truth.
    Bluey Quil
    7th Aug 2014
    6:16pm
    Once again our political leaders have failed us another nail be it in their coffin.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    6:19pm
    Have You seen the Price of Imported Nails lately ??
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    7:40pm
    The iron in the nails were such poor quality that the coffin builders now use Tarzans Grip.
    Young Simmo
    7th Aug 2014
    7:49pm
    Is Tarzan's Grip the stuff that sticks, or the stick that stuffs.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    7:58pm
    I haven't used a Grip of Tarzans Tube since I made Models !!
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    10:20pm
    is Tarzan tired yet.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    10:33pm
    I think His Vine Snapped ??... Made in China ...
    Andy
    7th Aug 2014
    6:29pm
    funny I made a couple of comments that did not get on here, yet they were straight forward truths.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    6:41pm
    Andy sometimes You have to wait a while after Post Reply !! A Bit like waiting for Election Promises to come to Fruition in Your case I think ??..Where are they ???
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:17pm
    You've got to avoid those 4 letter words Andy...and remember to press the 'reply' button mate.
    Kato
    7th Aug 2014
    10:24pm
    Ya What? Truth, you poor orphan you.
    professori_au
    7th Aug 2014
    7:26pm
    A point I am continually raising is the alleged government is not the lawful government. The lawful government is we, the people and the "turned rogue) parliaments are the servant and MP's are elected to carry out the will of the people. However, government has been high jacked by political factions with an agenda that is not to benefit the people. there is no provision for political parties in our constitution, yet it is the political factions in these political parties that have acted without authority of the people. There has never been a referendum seeking approval from the people to hand their rights to a corporation and allow admiralty/roman/UCC law to take our rights away. I do not know of another western country that allows foreign power to usurp our land, resources and other assets.
    The election system is corrupt and biased to the major parties with the factions choosing those for elections. The only way we can beat them I believe is to choose candidates that are Independent but to make sure they are accountable to the constituents. Forget the political parties. they have shown us clearly they are corrupt and cannot be trusted. Look at how our oil and gas resources are being sold for peanuts and we have to pay huge prices for the product, thus increasing our production costs; cost to the householder, etc. Our water is gradually being privatized (a breach of the Constitution). I fear these political factions will try and do away with the states. The cannot legally do this but "state" could become an office in the capital cities and departments will take over departmental services through the invalid local government. This will provide an opportunity for these corporate bodies to asset strip the people. You may smile at the thought. Perhaps, but I do not think so. Research indicates that both major parties support the concept.
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    7:44pm
    Spot on.
    Wstaton
    7th Aug 2014
    7:54pm
    Bloody hell I knew someone else was running the show.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    8:12pm
    And to think we once made Jokes about Abbott and Costello ??
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:19pm
    It matter not if they are 'legal' or otherwise. The reality is that they have the levers of power and can do as they like until they upset Rupert Murdoch or Kerry Stokes. After that they are gone. Ask Kevin Rudd.
    professori_au
    7th Aug 2014
    7:34pm
    Unless we regain lawful government these factions will leave nothing for future generations. They are corporations and I believe should the people challenge their authority and regain lawful government it is my belief that all contracts, agreements, etc. with these foreign powers will be null and void. A question I would like an answer is why is there such a large military presence in Australia? Is it to fight a potential enemy or to subdue the people if they ask too many questions. Our military (army, navy and air force) have diminished so much that should any that might break out and involve Australia I believe we would not be able to protect ourselves. The COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CORPORATION that is registered in Washington USA is basically a USA corporation. Why have we allowed a foreign corporation to take government
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    7:39pm
    OOOW !! Someone's doing their Homework !! Don't stop! Carry On !! I'm sure we are all ears and want to know more !!.. I'm not Kidding !
    Young Simmo
    7th Aug 2014
    7:47pm
    And we really need those 75 Strike Fighters, they will at least suck up all that spare money, and look good on Air Force photos.
    And our Submarine fleet has rescued Australia so many times. A 6 year old could spend our money better, than the dumb idiots in Canberra .
    Come on particolor I know you agree with me.
    heyyou
    7th Aug 2014
    8:04pm
    professori-correct me if I'm wrong but I don't know of any other stable country other than Australia that allows foreign military to set up base on their soil.
    The last time I looked Australia did not have a militarybase in America nor would America ever allow this to happen. Dirty deeds I think, kissing arse has it's price.
    Australia's politicians have sold out their people once again.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    8:04pm
    They sent a Collins Class Sub to London once and I heard it Leave the Themes Estuary on the way Home from here !! and I live 250 Miles Inland !!
    Wstaton
    7th Aug 2014
    8:10pm
    The fighter must be those that the Commonwealth Of Australia Corporation is forcing us to buy.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    8:14pm
    They are the New Ones with Pump Up Tyres !!
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:22pm
    Professori: Vote Independent. That'll fix 'em Tangles!!

    Young Simmo: I saw on The Business tonight from an ex fighter pilot that new fighter jets are not very good. I have also heard this previously. So nice of our government to want these at several billion dollars each.
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2014
    11:30am
    Its amazing when it comes to defence matters how both sides of government stick together. The fighters we are presently spending more money on for more and still being tested and we haven't received the last lot of them which Howard ordered when in government and we have gone through Labor governments and back to LNP govt. and we still haven't got the first lot. I guess we have paid huge deposits (billions) which we could have used more prudently elsewhere.
    particolor
    11th Aug 2014
    3:52pm
    Yes we could have built another Circular Quay where LUNA PARK is for Boat Arrivals !!
    Misty
    7th Aug 2014
    7:47pm
    Wipes out the Carbon Tax refunds doesn't it.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    8:10pm
    You now have shares in a Strike Fighter Windshield instead !!
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:26pm
    What carbon tax refunds? Our electricity prices should drop by 75% but are only going to drop 7%, and zero from some companies. What has Greg Hunt been saying right up to last week "your electricity prices are high because of the Carbon Tax". What he should have been saying is that the coal, oil, gas and generator industries kicked in some serious money to get us elected and we promise that we'd can the Carbon Tax when we got in. That is the truth of the Carbon Tax....not the lies which this disreputable government was elected on and have perpetrated ont he public.
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2014
    11:36am
    SMH letter writer said last week she had received her first electricity account since the carbon tax abolition backdated to 1st July and it worked out at 2 cents per day.
    As this is the industry (electricity) tauted to be costing us the most expense I don't see any downward difference appearing in other cost of living items such as food etc. And of course, before we know it we will be paying the excise on our petrol and that will put paid to any cost of living decreases. All smoke and mirrors as usual.
    particolor
    11th Aug 2014
    4:01pm
    Smoke and Mirrors Yer Darn Tootin !! I just got my bill too and its dearer than last years and I'm frightened to even look at the Heater ?? They counteracted the Carbon Tax with an Increase in the Price for Kilowatt Hours !! As I always KNEW they would do !! You didn't think the Imported CEO was going to go without A Nice Red and an Havana did You ??
    Bobbie
    7th Aug 2014
    8:38pm
    Re story on gas & electric. I migrated to this beaut country from uk 1966 .A few months after arriving & talking with fair dinkum ausie. He said mark my words you are young enough to see when the day will come when we will have sold everything off ,only big holes over this land .we will be broke on our knees and have a coloured P.M running the show.( retired)..
    Wstaton
    7th Aug 2014
    8:50pm
    I am not sure of the coloured PM. But if it was an original owner of this land who is certainly a fair dinkum Aussie I think he would not be selling off Australia.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    8:52pm
    Strewth !! In 1966 Ay ! You wouldn't have Know if You had a Quid or a Buck in that Year?.. And I got one of Your Triumph Motor Bikes then !! And I didn't know that Idi Amin was an Aussie ??
    Young Simmo
    7th Aug 2014
    8:57pm
    Yeh mine was a Tiger 100 with Sprung Hub 1952 all alloy motor, and would only do 97 MPH, and my work mates Tiger 110 would do 105 MPH with his bird on the back, but only if he got to about 97 MPH in 4th gear. I was on the back of his when we got to 100- MPH on Scarborough Beach road on a Sat morning. Would be mental today.
    particolor
    7th Aug 2014
    9:18pm
    I did 120 Miles an Hour with a Pillion Passenger to Peterborough South Australia and Bought back the first Buck note to Terowie !! And it was a Dirt Road !! We were Nuts in those Days !!..Sorry to frighten You Simmo !!
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:30pm
    Bobbie: You were fortunate enough to meet one of our forward thinking past generation. Sadly there were not many who could see the form. I now have knowledge, undstanding and experience and see the truth, but in those days I was, like many Australians, focussed on making a life for my family. So I accept some responsibility for where we as a nation are now at.
    Mitch
    7th Aug 2014
    9:56pm
    True to the Liberal way, screw the underlinks, let them pay. Lets rack the money in and stuff up Australia, so typical. What more is there to say on this government
    MICK
    7th Aug 2014
    10:35pm
    "Business" is a necessity to make communities work. It is a synbiotic relationship but the problem with many business people is that they try to make money at any cost. Dishonesty and selling out the national interest are not a concern to many in this cohort and that is the trouble with business: few ethics and the absence of a moral code....just a money making urge.
    carmencita
    7th Aug 2014
    10:49pm
    There is something really wrong when it comes to managing our resources and protecting the interests Of Australians. Gas prices have already increased, not just usage but also supply charge which has more than doubled since the carbon tax. I don't think we have ministers with the brain to assess economic situations properly to benefit Australians. Just look at our unemployment figures and yet the this Federal govt would take the building of ships and planes offshore when this is the very opportunity that could reduce unemployment problems at the same time a training ground for skills development. Why have we got people in Parliament who lacks vision for Australians? Unless there are trade agreement that this govt failed to mention. If that is so, it is totally wrong economic move.
    Julkay
    7th Aug 2014
    11:54pm
    If our government had a brain it would be lonely. Not too many are making ends meet now. How the hell are we going to manage being hit again?
    Young Simmo
    8th Aug 2014
    12:25am
    Yes JulKay, Australia needs a rush of Vigilantes to bring our Politicians and Judges into the real world.
    Over in Iraq and Pakistan etc, etc, they don't need Vigilantes, as ordinary people keep the b**st**ds honest.
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    8:45am
    And their Retirement from Politics Plan is Admirable !!..
    Get Out and Stay Out !!..
    gunnadoo
    8th Aug 2014
    12:08am
    I just got my gas bill today.....for one person for 3 months.....$1787.00.....????????surely they jest. They also included a letter saying they noticed that my bill had jumped drastically ( like from my last bill which was about $230) but that they had rechecked their calculations and assured me that the bill was correct!!!!! No way can I afford to pay this bill out of my pension and nor do I think this bill is accurate. A new gas company has laid new pipes and had to turn my gas off twice in the last few months while they did repairs and put in new pipes so my new next door neighbour could get the gas on.......I think something must have gone wrong whilst they were doing their work. I will be ringing them in the morning so watch for a follow up.
    Young Simmo
    8th Aug 2014
    12:18am
    Yeh gunnadoo, the gas companies think we are easy targets. We have a gas shower and use 2 X 45 Kg bottles per year on average, at the latest which was $188. Your bill of $1787 was enormous. I have been Googling lately and can get an instantaneous electric heater for $120 to $150, and am planning on giving Dirtyheat, sorry Kleenheat the A*RES.
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2014
    11:53am
    Young Simmo: I have a 3 bedroom single level duplex newly built 3 years ago. It has electricity and LPG gas. As stated above, January 2014 $124 for the 45kg bottle and late June 2014 $112 for the 45kg bottle. I also use only two 45kg bottles per year and it is used for showers, laundry washing machine, and a gas cook-top. I think this is very economical and I am careful with my electricity useage also. I keep records all the time re my bills and for my four (4) quarters of electricity last year (2013) my bills totalled $917.02 divide by 4 = $229.25 per quarter. So far this year my electricity for three (3) quarters = $641.71 i.e.$213.90 per quarter. As you can see I have been able to conserve my energy even though there is the usual IPART annual increase in prices each July.
    I don't have any off peak benefits - only one set price per kilowatt used.
    Keeping the winter quarter in check has helped enormously. I have a reverse air-conditioner which I don't use in summer, but in winter I watch TV etc. with my track suit on and keep the dial set on 18 degrees. I find being clothed in a warm track suit you don't really need the heat up very high.
    However, this was not always the case. My husband had MS
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2014
    11:56am
    Simmo: Got cut off.

    So, my husband had MS
    MITZY
    11th Aug 2014
    12:01pm
    Got cut-off again?

    We used a lot of heat in winter and a lot of cool in summer and our electricity was always around $450 to $480 per quarter for the two peak quarters. Electricity is about one of my better savers (reducer) of all the bills. As I said previously, maybe you could ask your electricity supplier to recommend an LPG supplier with a better outcome?
    I just can't imagine what a shock it would have been to Gunnadoo with that last bill.
    professori_au
    8th Aug 2014
    12:17am
    Yes Abbott and Costella resurrected but in a dangerous form, not laughing:(
    professori_au
    8th Aug 2014
    12:42am
    Mick. Your comment about idiots. Why do you think the factions chose to nominate them. All they have to do is toe the party (faction) line, shut their moth and do not have an opinion and you will receive you golden handshake at the expense of the taxpayer. While do you think that the performance of most of our MP's performance is remarkable for its absence.
    My am I savage tonight. A trading corporation posing as council has suddenly found some native grasses that were thought to be extinct so using the native vegetation act (invalid of course) they are resuming the land in this particular estate. I was contacted by one of the pensioners that bought it some 30 or 40 years ago. I had a covenant put on it stating it could not be built on until council provided the services. This would not happen until available serviced land was taken up. since the Kennett fiasco and the amalgamated councils or rather I should say corporation a further covenant under the vegetation act meant that people who had been waiting years were denied the use of the land. Of course the corp[oration was compassionate and I have been advised that it offered to buy the land in order to extinguish title. The people said that if they allowed council to take the land would it remain open space public land. Not on your life there would be nop guarantee and with it penchant for selling off public land and assets there was nothing to stop a rezoning and perhaps zone it industrial as I understand it would not be suitable for residential purposes. I was asked to check the files and see whether the particular pensioner had received all of the information. I asked the planning department to provide the botanical name of the grasses; how many covering how large and area. I asked had it investigated the adjoining lands. Nope. I decided to do a calculationas to what this land was worth. Allowing for e.g. $1,500 average per block (I suspect less was paid) the corporation paid approximately $900,000. OK Supposing sometime in the future it was decided that the vegetation was no longer there or there was a mistake and it was rezoned. Supposing it was then sold for a conservative figure of $100,000 per block. This means that the sale would bring $6M. Not a bad return on investment? Now this is speculation but I will be watching this space to see what eventuates. This is not the first I have been told about. It seems this vegetation act allows these corporations to do what they like and I have little doubt there is likely to be some large developer around. Again, as I said it is pure speculation at the moment as they have not acquired all of the land yet. Most of this land is owned by pensioners who are vulnerable as they cannot fight for their rights as this corporation will use public funds to take it through courts. I have requested the matter be investigated by the local government inspectorate and the Ombudsman. We will see what happens.
    professori_au
    8th Aug 2014
    12:59am
    I present and an interesting thought for your consideration.
    As our government has been high jacked by corporations, then why must we vote? Not being directors or shareholders then we are not eligible to vote. Only directors and shareholders get that choice and whether you get much of a vote would be debatable. Depends on the value of your share/debentures. Think about it. I put the proposition on one of the blogs and it was taken up. the AEC tried to impose a fine but finally concluded the person was correct and as they did not have the above status they were not eligible to vote and that ended the matter. But should it. We should be demanding parliament to please explain where they gained their authority. I never signed any referendum to give up my rights and I would doubt no one else has.
    fletch
    8th Aug 2014
    5:47am
    We are all sheep,come the next election,just think about it,if we did not vote,none of us.It's called people power.That would give the government- our so called leaders,some thing to think about.Then it would be our turn to screw them.
    Misty
    8th Aug 2014
    10:54am
    Fletch if we don't vote the same mob would still be there and we would be no better off.
    unicorn
    8th Aug 2014
    7:47am
    Young Simmo an electric heater ??? Who needs electric heaters as you may buy the heater cheap enough but if you could afford to run it you'd be a politician cause they are the only ones plus maybe Gina who could afford to run it.
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    8:30am
    I got an Electric Heater with a Meter on it ! I put 20 Dollars in it and up came the Message ..Thank You for the Availability Charge . Please insert 50 Dollars for 1 hours Heater use !!
    Pass the Ductape
    8th Aug 2014
    7:59am
    ....And I'll guarantee those who purchase their gas from Australia will only pay a fraction of the cost that we're charged here locally! When are we ever going to wake up to the fact that everyone else in the world thinks that we're nothing but a bunch of dopey suckers, only fit for being ripped off at very conceivable level?
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    8:35am
    AUSTRALIAN QUARRIES P/L CEO ..T ABBOTT....
    Solely Owned by MUCH DOUGH...China
    heyyou
    8th Aug 2014
    9:28am
    Ductape-sorry but if the shoe fits !!!!!!
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    9:41am
    AUSTRALIAN DAIRIES P/L..
    Solely Owned by CURDS & AWAY ... China...

    8th Aug 2014
    10:51am
    When Labor came to office they said they would
    establish an Office of the Petrol Commissioner within the ACCC
    "To ensure that local residents start getting a fair go at the petrol pump, Labor will appoint a Petrol Commissioner with tough new powers to monitor and investigate petrol pricing in Australia"

    What happened Mr Rudd?

    With the new government this position has been abolished as it should have been...totally useless.
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    12:27pm
    Prime Ministers Office has been abolished too Radish !! You now have a CEO.....
    unicorn
    8th Aug 2014
    4:15pm
    Really particolour? C.E.O. would make more sense than T.Abbot as Pretend Prime Minister, Of course we could sack a C.E.O.easier tha trying to get rid of P.P.M.
    unicorn
    8th Aug 2014
    4:15pm
    Really particolour? C.E.O. would make more sense than T.Abbot as Pretend Prime Minister, Of course we could sack a C.E.O.easier tha trying to get rid of P.P.M.
    Anonymous
    8th Aug 2014
    4:29pm
    Even if the current PM gave everyone a million dollars he would still be hated.
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    5:56pm
    He He He !!! Now that's a lot of Hate !! I don't believe I read that !! He He !!
    ice-cold
    8th Aug 2014
    5:19pm
    Whinge,Moan,Cry,Whimper, Unfortunately YOU The People Voted these bastards in, Do you really think that they they give a Tinkers Darn what the common people think ? We've been going down the wrong Path since the early seventies,& I'd like to Add...Wake up Australia !" But methinks it too late !...What you shall sow...So you shall Reap, What a bloody shame to let this beautiful country go down the Drain...Who's to blame...YOU !!!
    Wstaton
    8th Aug 2014
    5:41pm
    Well when someone says they are going to do one thing and also say they are not going to do another thing what is one to believe when they get in and do the opposite.

    Yes they stopped the boats but it seems to have taken them a year to find out others were rorting the visa system which seems to have been letting more scurrilous people in than the so called illegal boat people who mainly seem to be genuine refugees.
    Young Simmo
    8th Aug 2014
    5:47pm
    ice-cold, what a load of useless tripe. It's easy to rubbish people for what has been done, even a 6 year old could make a more useful contribution. Go down to the local kindergarten and get the kids to write a comment for you.
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    6:07pm
    Now I've watched Trolls on the Net Blogs for Some time now ! And one thing I've noticed is they are Very Much like Politicians ! Say one thing and mean the Complete Reverse, Now learn one thing !! Listen to their Spiel if You can stay awake long enough and then REVERSE it and Maybe Next time ,You will learn how to Vote !!...
    We Will Not Bla ! Bla !! Bla !!! = We Will !!..
    professori_au
    8th Aug 2014
    9:27pm
    Tend to disagree with you. The public were conned into believing they were electing MP's of their choice. However, with the corrupt electoral system supported by and equally corrupt AEC those who were elected were the choices of political factions.

    8th Aug 2014
    5:45pm
    Absolutely should a percentage be quarantined at a low rate for local consumption. I've cited elsewhere that in Saudi Arabia, for example, you buy petrol for 7c a litre..... they feed their own first and then profit from the rest.

    I don't personally give a rat's what Rumbles McFarlane says about 'competing in a global market' - WE are selling the goods on a hungry market - it is a seller's market - so there is zero need to force Australians to pay world prices after all the shipping etc is taken into account.

    This is just another enrichment program for the mates and cronies in business.

    8th Aug 2014
    5:49pm
    http://www.aip.com.au/pricing/internationalprices.htm

    I'd like you to consider why it is that the worse off the country - the lower the petrol price and the government take... apart from Canada and the US - who for some reason don't see petrol as a cash cow for government...

    Same applies to gas.
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    6:12pm
    Grapps ..They would Tax our Snores here if they could count them !! ZZZZZZZZ !
    Anonymous
    8th Aug 2014
    11:13pm
    True - but this really shocks me on re-reading - we aqre not even masters of our own resoruces:-

    "Jemena, the major gas distributor controlled by Singaporean and Chinese Government entities, has highlighted this in its most recent application to the Australian Energy Regulator, forecasting that the Australian domestic wholesale gas prices will increase rapidly to parity with the international price"
    professori_au
    11th Aug 2014
    9:54pm
    I understand some off the Chinese owned power companies in Victoria owe the government something like $700+Millions of tax and to date apparently laugh at the tax department, yet our government is proposing to approve them a second purchase of our power supply. Why are we sitting back and not demanding why our parliaments are doing this, while we carry the tax burdens
    professori_au
    11th Aug 2014
    9:54pm
    I understand some off the Chinese owned power companies in Victoria owe the government something like $700+Millions of tax and to date apparently laugh at the tax department, yet our government is proposing to approve them a second purchase of our power supply. Why are we sitting back and not demanding why our parliaments are doing this, while we carry the tax burdens
    particolor
    12th Aug 2014
    7:47am
    No second Chances !! REPOSSES THE GAS !!
    Fready
    8th Aug 2014
    8:10pm
    I don't know how this developed into a discussion about illegal immigrants, but every one that is accepted into Australia makes it harder for your children to get a house and a job. Even those that end up in PNG will cost us for many years to come.
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    8:27pm
    I don't know so much about the Job, But the House is a Bit of a Worry !! They should have bought their own Tent !! The People Smugglers Should have shown them an Aussie Power, Gas and Rent Bill !! And they would still be at HOME With their 10 20 30 Grand !!. I wonder how much Dole they told them they would get for Bludging and Sight seeing ??
    Anonymous
    9th Aug 2014
    8:14am
    Unemployment is up; jobs are being lost, people are pessimistic, more on the dole, public housing lists as long as your arm, and people want to allow in those people arriving via the people smugglers.
    Blind Freddy can see this country, with a population of around 24 million, cannot sustain this in the long term.
    You open the flood gates again and they will be coming in their hundreds of thousands lured by the "sugar" on the table as our neighbours to the north say.
    Wake up Australia.
    particolor
    9th Aug 2014
    9:15am
    Come-on now Radish ! We Should be a bit more Humane..Put out the Welcome Mat and get some Tea on the table to go with that Sugar . I think this Large Country could Fit another 50 Million in before 2020 or is that just My Vision ??.. Think of all the Heavy Lifting that would be done if You could get them to Work !! Some can Cook,which could lower the price of Special Fried Rice !! They could build Houses on the Nullarbor, populate the Simpson Desert, Fish the Seas to Extinction, the opportunities are endless !! What about all that Coal that HAS to be dug up and Gas to be Sucked out and Shipped off..The Mind Boggles at the Future !! Open up all those Bankrupt Factories again ! A Larger Multi Cultural Parliament ?? Wait a Minute I think I will stop there before I get the Country into more **** than it can dig itself out of !!
    Anonymous
    11th Aug 2014
    8:24am
    As we all know most people live long the coastline of Australia and 70% plus is desert.
    People do not want to live inland and the majority of immigrants to this country live in Sydney/Melbourne etc.
    Golfer
    8th Aug 2014
    9:11pm
    This exportation of gas should be stopped. If we sell our gas overseas we are not getting any income from Tax and we are not leaving the gas to be used by our future generations which is more important than letting Overseas owned Companies stealing our resources.
    particolor
    8th Aug 2014
    9:29pm
    Don't try to talk Common Sense into the Galahs !! They will only wake up when the Cupboard is bare !! And their Pocket Filling Exercise comes to Grinding Halt !!..
    The Gonzo in there now cant see further than His Foot Long Nose !!.Nor any of His Predecessors in the past 50 Years !! You Know back when Australia owned the Place ..
    And You know what they bought the joint with ?? Our own money !! By getting the Commodities at Bargain Basement Prices and Stuff all Tax !! The Clever Country by FAR !!
    professori_au
    8th Aug 2014
    9:13pm
    Fetch, Mysty.
    The idea of not voting is one option. However, not voting on its own.
    You would need to register why you are not voting. One reason might be that none of the candidates are not of your choosing therefore I cannot give my vote to any, If everyone did something like that then the old crew would have to put up another election at :( our cost but we might get candidates of our choice, e.g. independents accountable to us
    Old Fella
    9th Aug 2014
    1:27pm
    Competitive doesn't quite match the 'yarn' being spun . I understand Russia has entered with China into a massive natural gas supply contract most recently. No doubt expanding into other Asian nations neighbouring China progressively. Gas to be piped across land from Siberia to China. One would assume that such competition with Australian Natural Gas would supress prices. One might fairly assume if Global prices are to be the benchmark than Australia should expect access to their natural Gas even more cheaply than current gas supply. Land based pipelines surely must be a more direct and cost affective means of selling natural Gas than massive ports and allied infrastructure to boat the product overseas. Or are we as Australians subsidising the International gas producer conglomerates to build the multi million dollar ports for their sales profits without any future return or benefit to the Australian population, other than their justifying increased prices due to the infrastructure costs of building ports and ships to transport the Gas. Or is the story just a "blind" to qualify and justify continued open seam coal mining in States without natural gas access to allow continued gas energy supply to stay high and grow more expensive..
    particolor
    9th Aug 2014
    3:46pm
    Of Coarse we are being Sucked In !! You don't think they would use their own Money to Dredge our Harbors and Pollute the Reefs, and Build Massive Shipping Terminals do You !! That is the job of the Gift Givers US,WE & CO !! The Price of this Destruction is Picked up by You !! by Charging Preposterously High Domestic Prices for these commodities !! I would go on but its a Waste of Bloody Time !! They have Signed all the contracts and are Shipping off Your Inheritance at Bargain Prices .. Now just Pay Your Bill plus GST and be Happy !!
    Old Fella
    9th Aug 2014
    1:27pm
    Competitive doesn't quite match the 'yarn' being spun . I understand Russia has entered with China into a massive natural gas supply contract most recently. No doubt expanding into other Asian nations neighbouring China progressively. Gas to be piped across land from Siberia to China. One would assume that such competition with Australian Natural Gas would supress prices. One might fairly assume if Global prices are to be the benchmark than Australia should expect access to their natural Gas even more cheaply than current gas supply. Land based pipelines surely must be a more direct and cost affective means of selling natural Gas than massive ports and allied infrastructure to boat the product overseas. Or are we as Australians subsidising the International gas producer conglomerates to build the multi million dollar ports for their sales profits without any future return or benefit to the Australian population, other than their justifying increased prices due to the infrastructure costs of building ports and ships to transport the Gas. Or is the story just a "blind" to qualify and justify continued open seam coal mining in States without natural gas access to allow continued gas energy supply to stay high and grow more expensive..
    particolor
    9th Aug 2014
    4:04pm
    Yes !!
    Young Simmo
    9th Aug 2014
    2:50pm
    I have a question for the Experts.
    Q, A. Considering the Trillions apon Trillions of tons and cubic meters of oil and gas we have taken out of the Earth, and the Trillions and Trillions we will take out in the future, is there any chance of the Earth ending up like a busted Balloon?
    Q, B. If not will Real Estate agents be able to sell land down in those massive open spaces as self heated blocks with no risk of Sun Burn.
    particolor
    9th Aug 2014
    4:00pm
    Simmo.. Take in a large Back Up Supply of 30+ Sun Screen .. And if they keep carting Australia away like they are now ,You wont need it anyhow, the Planet will slip out of Balance and Spin off into Outer Space !!..Taking all Your Over Greedy Real Estate Agents,Politicians and CEO's along for the Ride !!..BON VOYAGE !!!
    Young Simmo
    9th Aug 2014
    4:16pm
    Yeh particolor, at 74 it is a real worry for me, as I like to think my future is secure.
    If we are going to slip off into outer space, do you think I should book a room for my holidays on Mars now, in case they have a full house.
    particolor
    9th Aug 2014
    4:28pm
    NAAAH !! That Joint looks like it has been Done Over by the Corporations Too !!!..
    particolor
    9th Aug 2014
    4:38pm
    Try one of the GASEOUS Parliamentary Planets like Jupiter !!
    doggone
    10th Aug 2014
    1:45am
    australia will go down as all its energy will go offshore and leave nothing for home consumption, be it for domestic or industrial use..
    prices will go up and living standards will go down and our useless pollies can't see this.

    BUT it will have a good side effect - boat people will stop coming to australia as we go down the gurgler because there is no point in going to a poor country where most people will be on or below the poverty level.

    when one thinks about it up to a few years ago a family could live on one breadwinner in the house.
    now it requires two breadwinners and in the near it will require three people to be breadwinners.

    and this energy sell off will be a factor.
    particolor
    10th Aug 2014
    8:27am
    I've got a Working Dog !! Will that help ??
    Young Simmo
    10th Aug 2014
    11:48pm
    Boy this page has turned into a heap of brainless, immature waffle by a seemingly bunch of dementia bound lost souls. I think I will walk down to the beach and watch the waves come in and out. No, to put a bit of life into my existence I will go down to the local shopping centre and watch the dumb ones that don't know how to park a car, real exciting stuff to fill my day.
    Anybody notice that spell check now only accepts the Yanky way, you know "re" instead of "er".
    particolor
    11th Aug 2014
    8:01am
    Yeah !! Get down the Beach and ERfresh yerself !!
    MICK
    11th Aug 2014
    9:28am
    You gotta get out of that one horse town Simmo. Come to a major city and watch the grannies drive off multi story car parks instead.....just having a bit of fun.
    Young Simmo
    11th Aug 2014
    12:22pm
    Mick life in this one horse town fits the bill eerrrrr my pocket, eeerrrr our pocket quite nicely. In the city rent would probably be $200 to $300 per week and power a big slug every 3 months. We pay $150 rent and the power every fort night which is a breeze and can save $200 to $300 each pension day if no big bills like insurance and car rego.
    Yes if I want to upgrade my gopher from a Mercedes Benz to a Lamborghini it is easy.
    particolor
    11th Aug 2014
    4:30pm
    Simmo you couldn't Rent a Cardboard Box on the Corner of Pitt St for $300 !!
    blessed
    13th Aug 2014
    4:53am
    THIS IS TYPICAL OF LIBERAL THINKING. THE BIG BUSINESS AND MINING COMPANIES OWN THEM ....THEY DON'T WORK FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED THEM. BUT NOW HOW DO YOU GET THEM OUT. THIS IS DISGUSTING. WHO IS PROFITING FROM THIS. DOES ANYONE ASK THIS QUESTION.
    Wstaton
    14th Aug 2014
    6:05pm
    As part of the response to the recent employment figures I read an article about how each state fared compared to resources.

    Victoria (where I live) it was stated that it was the state who dug up the least resources (except for Tassie) Their main resource was natural gas from Bass Strait which is just about exhausted. Is this what is going to happen with the rest of Australia eventually with all our natural gas (as LPG) exported overseas? We are going to end up with nothing. What happens to us then. I guess we will start importing it.

    Blessed you are right we are allowing these multiculturals to cut our throat.

    To add to this I remember reading a comment from one forum member about Russia not stopping wine imports from Australia and reckons this would be better if Russia did ban wine imports will allow more for Australians.

    But, wine is a renewable resource and is expandable. It also provides local jobs which can increase the more we produce whereas digging stuff out of the ground is only there while it exists.

    14th Aug 2014
    8:51pm
    even more motivation to either get off the grid completely, or use more renewable sources for our energy needs. electricity prices are also going up.


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