Children granted bridging visas

All asylum-seeking children and their families must be released immediately

Children granted bridging visas

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison has announced that some children and their families, currently being held in asylum seeker detention in Australia, will be released into the community. 

However, the new bridging visa arrangements will not apply to all children currently being held and there will be conditions. For the purpose of this release, ‘children’ are defined as ‘aged under ten’, which represents, we’re told, 150 out of approximately 500. The minister has also been adamant that this new arrangement expressly precludes the 148 children still on Christmas Island and 193 on Nauru. Furthermore, it only applies to children whose detention predates 19 July 2013, the date on which the former Rudd Labor government announced that all new arrivals, by boat, would be sent to offshore detention. Morrison says that the bridging visas will be determined on a case by case basis and that he is confident that a large number of those eligible can be moved into the new visa program before the end of the year.

But there are already 1547 children and their families in community detention, many of whom have no visa or right to work and are required to report regularly to immigration officials. It’s unclear how the new program may affect this large group.

The minister also told the ABC AM program that, “We still have some consultations we have to do with service providers. Because what this announcement does is ensures there's additional support provided to children under the age of 10 who are released with their families on bridging visas.’’

He further claimed that, “this is the dividend of stopping the boats and the new measure will save tax payers more than $50 million over the forward estimates.’’

Read more at ABC.net.au

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Opinion: Tokenism refined to an artform

In the last two days we’ve been treated to the unprecedented spectacle of Immigration Minister Scott Morrison being all over the media like a rash.

This is the same member of the Abbott cabinet who has refined stonewalling to a fine art. A man whose speciality is to call ‘non press conferences’ at which the baying media elicit no more than the now predictable clichés of ‘no comment’ and ‘operational matters’. Is this the same minister who has consistently treated with disdain the media and, more importantly the Australian electorate, to whom he should be beholden for his high office and whose interests he should respect? Has he experienced some strange epiphany? Hardly!

In announcing, very publicly, an apparent easing of the long-running internment conditions for some younger children and their families, Morrison is plainly responding to the ever-widening opposition to this particularly ugly aspect of the Government’s policy on asylum seekers who arrive ‘illegally’ by boat.

While hailed by his parliamentary colleagues, including the prime minister, as the very epitome of a strong, effective minister, Morrison is accumulating an impressive array of opponents far beyond the official parliamentary opposition. His attempts to reintroduce temporary protection visas have been rejected by the High Court, as has his new arbitrary definition for assessing the risk of persecution for refugees returned to the countries from which they fled.

The President of the Australian Human Rights Commission, Prof Gillian Triggs, who recently visited Christmas Island, reported ‘an unprecedented rate of self- harm among children and that the ‘desperation is palpable.’ Perhaps even more relevant is that consistent thorn in the Abbott Government’s side, the post 1 July 2014 Senate and, more specifically, the crossbench.

Morrison has been blocked by the crossbench, notably, the three Palmer United Party senators who have, thus far, complied with their leader Clive Palmer’s very public opposition to detaining any children in detention, both in Australia and offshore. So is the modest concession of releasing some young children and their families intended to extract an agreement from the PUP senators?

We can hardly be blamed for being sceptical about Morrison’s true motivation in so publicly grandstanding over such a belated, partial moderation in his policy on child asylum seekers. When you’ve spent so long treating with contempt the Australian electorate and hiding behind the military to avoid any scrutiny of your actions, then the minister shouldn’t expect us to passively accept his latest ‘spin.’

What do you think? Should we give the minister credit for easing the conditions for some young children and their families? Or, is this just a cynical exercise to placate some of his growing number of critics? Or is it aimed at persuading the Senate to allow him to reintroduce temporary protection visas?





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    OzzieOzzie
    21st Aug 2014
    8:40am
    Where are ALL these people going to LIVE??? What are they "Going to Live on? WHO are they going to Live Off?? This is EXACTLY why Australia has Sooooo much Un employment. The jobs MUST be there to be had and these are the people that are obtaining them. Mr Morrison.. Charity Begins at Home.
    Arby
    21st Aug 2014
    9:48am
    At david Fallicks house we hope... he must have plenty of room!!!!
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    9:56am
    Look at the Size of the Gardens at Kirribilli Castle !! You could build a couple of dozen Homes in there for the Homeless ??
    Kato
    21st Aug 2014
    10:49am
    It has been revealed that scotty' is the Phantom, so don't worry, be happy.
    Kato
    21st Aug 2014
    11:10am
    Tony's apartment is not used, as he bunks down with the security chappies, you could fit twenty or so in there and they would get service with it.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    2:10pm
    There is a Vacant 1 Person Unit here now where I live ! You could Cram about 14 in there ?? Not much room ! They will have to sleep on top of each other ! But I think they are used to that by the Amount of them !!
    Crazy Horse
    21st Aug 2014
    3:50pm
    The government is currently spending millions keeping children who have committed no crime locked up indefinitely. It is much cheaper to let the m live in the community as most civilised countries do.
    Anonymous
    21st Aug 2014
    5:27pm
    Got it on 1. Who will pay for these bludgers? The taxpayers of Australia and those worse hit by it, the poorest in the land, the working families on low incomes, pensioners, disabled and unemployed. 200,000 shortage of homes and yet we are selling to Chinese investors who are letting them sit vacant often to build equity or let to overseas students. 55,000 short homes when Rudd got in he said so. But he then brought in over 300,000 a year for 2 years and opened the borders to hordes who have no skills and wont be able to work even if they intended too. And we have only 100,000 new jobs a year in reality - work it out. Pity the politicians cant but then they are enthralled to the left playing politics whilst Australia hurts. SMH ABC The AGE all left wing railing Abbott but actually doing more harm as we stake one step forward and then 2 back under their constant attacks on any idea of keeping us in work and our living standards intact.
    particolor
    24th Aug 2014
    8:31am
    Doesn't Immigration ask them WHO FUNDED YOU ?? OR How are You going to pay the People Smugglers ???..
    The only mob with any funds to Shout them out here is ISIS !!
    Anonymous
    26th Aug 2014
    7:46am
    No doubt Christine Milne, Sarah Hanson-Young and that woman Trigg ...all great champions of those who come via the people smugglers will no doubt open their homes and arms to all these children!!
    particolor
    26th Aug 2014
    10:46am
    Yes !! And then claim 50 Grand each for PPL !!
    Young
    21st Aug 2014
    8:41am
    How many boats have come since Scott Morrison has been in control?How many lives have been saved by this?Many of these "economic illegals " are bypassing countries they could go to to come here.They put their children at risk by so doing.
    Kato
    21st Aug 2014
    10:54am
    How many knots in a fathom.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    12:57pm
    More the Question is, how many were we told about with the NEW SECRET SERVICE ??
    Crazy Horse
    21st Aug 2014
    3:54pm
    There is nothing illegal about the asylum seekers. Anyone has the right under international law to travel to any country they choose by any means they choose as long as they present themselves to the authorities as soon as practicable after arriving.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    4:03pm
    I'd be back here Quicker than You could say Rumplestiltskin If I Presented Myself in Colombo in a Leaky Tub !!
    Rob
    21st Aug 2014
    4:29pm
    I don't think that's right crazy horse, I understand that they only have a right to seek asylum in the first signatory country after they leave there own??
    Jen
    21st Aug 2014
    8:17pm
    Indonesia is not a signatory country.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    8:29pm
    Indonesia is only ONE Country in 15.000 Miles to get here ?? We must have good Bait ??
    Masonite
    21st Aug 2014
    9:12am
    Its so wonderful to read these bigoted ill informed comments. They are here legally and already living here. They are children under 10 who cannot work. They will not affect unemployment. If they are already here at the government's expense in detention and they are released into the community temporarily and people are willing to care for them at their own expense (which already happens) what cost is there to the government?
    Believe it or not, there are more kindhearted people in Australia who are willing to spend their money caring for young children.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    9:51am
    Send Me a Dozen Please !!
    OzzieOzzie
    21st Aug 2014
    11:43am
    Masonite..These Caring people are Subsidised by the Tax Payer, You and Me pay through All the RISES We have to Pay. Mr Abbott, Morrison,Hockey etc , don't pay for these people to stay in Australia.
    I agree to have "Refugees" come to OZ, but how about the Government do it in a Correct Manner so as to Benefit Us ALL.
    Polly Esther
    21st Aug 2014
    12:50pm
    Masonite.. Hope you put your money where your mouth is and open up your doors to as many as you can fit into your abode. And how dare you call people ill informed bigots for simply having an opinion. Your comment smells of an arrogant response from an ignorant person.
    Sceptic
    21st Aug 2014
    3:09pm
    I guess that Masonite did not notice the phrase "with their families" in the announcement.
    Issy
    21st Aug 2014
    3:39pm
    Absolutely correct. All the garbage about costs is red herring. We could release them into the community here at a fraction of the cost, as many countries do, who have many more refugees to process. It costs an absolute mint to run our "offshore concentration camps" and "prison ships". Those who are lacking human compassion are always bleating about the cost of everything, and should be persuaded at least on that basis, that there is a better way.
    Rob
    21st Aug 2014
    4:32pm
    Interesting I am currently in Sweden which has a very much open door policy to refugees. The interesting thing is that they are very selective about where they let them live. They are all accommodated in outlying towns or suburbs where there are labor shortages. Feelings are starting to run high about the numbers of theses people now that unemployment is starting to rise.
    Anonymous
    21st Aug 2014
    5:03pm
    Well Masonite you spend your money caring for these children, not mine! For these boat people this is NOT the first safe port of call, they have chosen to come here, jump the queue. Not only that they breed like cockroaches. With over 50,000 people in Sydney waiting for public housing where are they going to live, where are the jobs?
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    5:09pm
    They go first ! Where's Your Hospitality ??..
    Anonymous
    21st Aug 2014
    6:56pm
    sorry particolor, my oversight, of course they go first
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    7:30pm
    That's the last time I use a Persian Rug for a Welcome Mat !!
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    9:17am
    Keeping People cooped up like Chickens on Tropical Islands is not Humane !! Let them all in !!
    Chuck another Shrimp on the Barbie !
    Kato
    21st Aug 2014
    10:55am
    or a chicken, Spanish style.
    KSS
    21st Aug 2014
    12:26pm
    Is not "cooped up like Chickens on Tropical Islands" not better than whence they came?

    Just asking!
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    1:10pm
    Of coarse it is !! Free Coconut Milk, Doctors, LAWYERS, Chef, Barber, Counsellors, and Do Gooders Clucking all round them !! What more could You want ??
    Young Simmo
    21st Aug 2014
    2:01pm
    particolor, I only give Shrimps to the people I INVITE.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    2:05pm
    I think they saw the Hoges Tourist add ?? .. Ours are BIGGER than Theirs !!..
    It was Him that Invited them !!
    Anonymous
    26th Aug 2014
    7:54am
    I would much prefer a tropical island, with all meals and medical attention provided than living in a tent in the middle of the desert as they are doing in the camps in Syria.
    particolor
    26th Aug 2014
    10:33am
    Yep ! Our Dust and Fly's are Better Quality !! Linger Longer and far more Friendly !!
    Aussiefrog
    21st Aug 2014
    9:32am
    There we are again! Poor little children like the ones in Gaza carrying AK47 and firing rockets into Israel! The majority been Muslim they will be taken by the Muslim community I guess endoctrinated in the local mosque and when they're big enough they can join ISIS to fight for their ideals, stop kidding ourselves!
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    9:39am
    STREWTH !! .. Head Hunter School ?? How Un Australian !!
    Kato
    21st Aug 2014
    11:13am
    And don't forget claiming the pension .
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    1:24pm
    And don't forget the Geehad Injuries on their return, Sustained while on Active Duty on the Australian Disability Pension !!
    unicorn
    21st Aug 2014
    9:46am
    could not agree more Brissyblond ywo of the highest unemployment figures are where we live and also the next area up from us. We do not need any more of morrison's mob living here.

    21st Aug 2014
    10:46am
    another bleeding heart - suggest go out to western suburbs of Sydney or up and down NSW coast - hundreds of thousands are very happy with asylum seeker policies - the Green don't BUT they don't represent mainstream views of Australians. The ABC political comments are also biased on this issue. Of course we could go back to Marles and labor and open up the flood gates like Rudd did - then again I think not. Sorry David your articles leaves me cold and I suspect Morrison could not give a damn what you say
    Kato
    21st Aug 2014
    10:53am
    They could send them to Johannesburg. or Capetown, the caped crusader would fit right in over there, oh darn forgot apartheid is in the reverse order now .
    Anonymous
    21st Aug 2014
    10:55am
    very funny Kato

    21st Aug 2014
    10:53am
    Sorry I forgot to add - who put these kids in detention centres - I'll give you a clue David - it was not Morrison - it was labor and their pathetic border protection policies. Please don't quote Gillian Triggs - extreme left wing - the conservatives would love to get rid of Human Rights Commission - just another body that is a waste of taxpayers money set up by Gillard - the worst PM since WW2 - and I've lived under them all.
    Anonymous
    21st Aug 2014
    6:58pm
    I don't care who put them in detention centres, as long as they stay there! children should stay with their parents! that way they can learn the proper self harm procedures.
    Paddles
    23rd Aug 2014
    8:17pm
    It was refreshing to see Gillian Trigg gasping like a guppie out of water when she so ill-advisedly attempted to compare our detention centres with main stream prisons. And who put her back on the right track?........None other than that dreadful man Scott Morrison who, if the planets align favourably, may one day be our PM (I hope)
    niemakawa
    24th Aug 2014
    11:34am
    Ms Trigg no match for Mr Morrison. She was left up the creek without a paddle(s)
    Anonymous
    26th Aug 2014
    12:11pm
    Also Gillian Trigg was caught out on a lie when she said "armed guards" and was corrected and was told "there are no armed guards". She would not retract her incorrect comment.
    miss aisle
    21st Aug 2014
    11:13am
    If one of Morrison's motivations is aimed at persuading the Senate to re-introduce the Temporary Protection Visa, then I give him full credit! In the short time the Coalition have been in power, many $millions of taxpayers' earnings have been saved by stopping the endless flow of queue jumpers. The billions of $ that have been spent on them could have been injected into our health system. Thank you Scott Morrison for putting Australians first!
    Jen
    21st Aug 2014
    12:54pm
    Next thing you'll be calling him a humanitarian!
    Crazy Horse
    21st Aug 2014
    3:57pm
    Has he stopped the boats or just hidden them?
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    4:06pm
    A UFO took them !!
    Rob
    21st Aug 2014
    4:35pm
    Who cares as long as they don't arrive.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    5:14pm
    They are now Nicely Settled on Uranus !!.. A more Hospitable Place than Nasty Australia !!
    biedronka
    21st Aug 2014
    11:15am
    Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers that you do unto me says Jesus. And quite frankly who cares when these children came. They need help. If they see our hatred of them how can we be a good influence? If we are supposed to be a Christian nation behave like one use your influence for good.
    Kato
    21st Aug 2014
    11:27am
    I like that, every session of every Parliament in Australia should open with that read out and repeated by those present.
    OzzieOzzie
    21st Aug 2014
    12:48pm
    Sorry 'beidronka, was meant to be " Who is Jesus"
    Anonymous
    21st Aug 2014
    6:53pm
    Forget the Christian ethics biedronka, the parents of these kids are all muslims, and the kids will be brought up that way, just what we need, more bloody muslims! We'll be living under sharia law before you know it, especially if our govt continue to be so 'politically correct" Today 60 leaders knocked back the proposed anti terrorism laws by Abbott......unfortunate that muslims are associated with terrorism, wonder how that happened?? Ever hear from the 'moderates"?
    miss aisle
    21st Aug 2014
    11:26am
    Yes, Aussiefrog - it pays to be realistic & see the bigger picture. If we tolerate everything that comes our way, letting our emotions rule our actions, we could end up being the geniune refugee!
    Kato
    21st Aug 2014
    11:30am
    Yes .
    dougie
    21st Aug 2014
    11:30am
    Why was it necessary for parents to put their children's lives at risk by trying to beat the system and come as unauthorised entrants. They have a choice of three things that they can now do:
    1. Return from whence they came at our expense and then apply in the correct manner.
    2. Wait in the Off Shore Centres until they find someone to take them.
    3. Stay where they are and do nothing, they will be well looked after at no expense to themselves.

    Obviously these people are not genuine refugees as they could afford to pay for the privilege of being smuggled to our country and to then demand that we house them, care for them and provide welfare payments. My mind goes back to the many genuine refugees who came at our invitation after the second world war with little more than a suitcase and a few shillings. Most of these genuine refugees went on to be come wonderful citizens who have contributed to our country and have had a great life.
    They did not form groups who want to be hand fed with everything gratis, they did not form groups of thugs and criminals to prey on the population in general.
    Whilst I do not say that those in detention centres and off shore centres are all of this ilk, who can know. We must protect our borders and our way of life.
    miss aisle
    21st Aug 2014
    12:25pm
    Spot on, dougie! These parents count on Australians being soft & emotional.
    They should be looking after their children, not us. Your No. 1 makes sense to me.
    How many Aussie children are in desperate need of care?
    KSS
    21st Aug 2014
    12:55pm
    The use of children to get what you want is dreadful. Look at the American situation. Parents are now sending their children alone into America in the belief that they will be allowed to stay and then apply to bring the parents and the rest of the family in. Why? Because they don't want to go through the proper channels.
    We don't want that happening here - parents putting their children on boats alone (although I believe there have been a few older children in that position).
    Sparkles
    21st Aug 2014
    1:03pm
    Agree entirely. Don't blame Scott, blame the parents.
    EELS
    21st Aug 2014
    2:54pm
    Wow you guys, I couldn't have put it better myself. I am fed up with being made to support these economic migrants after they have country shopped and decided we had the best deal. I want my tax dollars providing for the Australian homeless first and foremost including families living in cars. What a disgrace. Enough is enough.
    Scott Morrison you are a legend.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    4:07pm
    UP THERE CAZALLY !!
    Kato
    21st Aug 2014
    11:36am
    Boat people my fat freckle. You have all been brainwashed into thinking this is the main problem, There are machines called aeroplanes and more come into the Country illegally by this method and stay here, no commotion about that is there.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    1:28pm
    Yes!! But don't tell anyone ! I've Gainfully Employed 6 of them Shelling Prawns for My Fish Shop on the Gold Coast .. Crap Pay but they get to Stay !!
    Crazy Horse
    21st Aug 2014
    3:59pm
    Right on Kato. Almost all illegals arrive by air and legally enter the country then overstay there visa. The hysteria about boats is and always was a political stunt.
    Kato
    21st Aug 2014
    5:22pm
    careful Mr cando don't confiscate that Fish Shop, he has stuff all left to sell.
    Paddles
    23rd Aug 2014
    8:29pm
    Kato

    Have you ever flown internationally?
    If yes.....then did you have to provide a passport stamped with an entry visa ?
    If yes.....then how can you equate that with the illegals who arrive by boat after willfully destroying any documentation that may identify them and thus open up for scrutiny, their bona fides?
    Overstaying visa restrictions is a real problem but if the immigration dept wishes to pursue them, then at least they have valid ID.
    OzzieOzzie
    21st Aug 2014
    11:51am
    Bob Menzies.. Oh! Not Another one,1st one was bad enuf.
    Sorry, but "little Johnny Howard put them in the "Detention Centres"
    They could ALL live with Johnny, he has enuf $$$$$$ to look after them, they could live with
    ' Budgie "Smuggler" also, his daughter received a Scholarship
    KSS
    21st Aug 2014
    12:32pm
    Exactly what does Ms Abbott receiving a scholarship from a PRIVATE college have to do with refugees? Private college = unfunded by the Government!

    Your comment is rude, inaccurate and unfair.
    Jen
    21st Aug 2014
    12:58pm
    Wrong KSS. Just after the "scholarship of merit" was awarded, the college received a large bundle of taxpayer funding.
    KSS
    21st Aug 2014
    1:20pm
    I would like to know where you got the information that the college in question received "a large bundle of tax-payer money". Private RTOs do not received from the Government because they are profit making small businesses. They make their money from course fees primarily. Students on the other hand can apply for a loan similar to HECS. And the Government will pay the fees for some students on some courses - typically those courses that increase the student's likelihood of getting work. This does not amount to 'bundles of tax payer money' and whilst I am not privy to the financial affairs of this college, I would doubt that the Government would pay the fees for a course in a highly competitive and strongly contested over subscribed field such as fashion design.

    And it still doesn't answer the question of what has any of this got to do with refugees!
    miss aisle
    21st Aug 2014
    2:19pm
    "little Johnny Howard put them in detention centres" - ?
    Using his govt. policies, he stopped the boats - only 4 people in detention when he left office. This was followed by labor "welcoming" 40,000 uninvited people in!
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    2:25pm
    How do You "Welcome" Uninvited People ??? Is that like a Party for Gate Crashers Only ??
    OzzieOzzie
    21st Aug 2014
    12:27pm
    I agree Dougie
    OzzieOzzie
    21st Aug 2014
    12:28pm
    Hey Biedronka.. Who is God?
    Jen
    21st Aug 2014
    12:48pm
    Cynical exercise. This mob don't have the capacity to feel compassion.
    miss aisle
    21st Aug 2014
    2:09pm
    Just because some of us agree with the govt., that we shouldn't reward bad, illegal behaviour, means we save our compassion for genuine circumstances.
    Jen
    21st Aug 2014
    2:17pm
    Are you God? Must be.
    niemakawa
    22nd Aug 2014
    1:11pm
    You are very naive to think that. Try to look at the reality of the situation. Australia is full and does not have the capacity to let more people come here to live of our Government at our expense. Many of these recent arrivals have no intention of assimilating and bring all of their "hatred" for the west with them. I do not agree with the teachings of Islam, it is not a religion. but idealism.
    Ballgameskeith
    21st Aug 2014
    1:12pm
    Have to agree with Jen. A quick scan through the comments shows a definite lack of any compassion or empathy.

    Anything Morriscum does has a political agenda. He has no morals.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    1:33pm
    And I think the Government has taught Many to lose theirs Too ??
    Rob
    21st Aug 2014
    4:39pm
    Lack of intellect Ballgameskeith. Morriscum sort of name calling/statement a 4yr old would make.
    EELS
    24th Aug 2014
    1:16pm
    I must agree with you Rob. There are a few contributors to this blog that have a propensity to use these derivations of the names of, in particular, Liberal politicians.
    Very childish and so very unfunny. Grow up.
    Young Simmo
    21st Aug 2014
    1:59pm
    The fortunate thing about all this is, the fact that the Golden Hearted Aussie Pensioners are all so rich and comfortable they can afford the Aust Gov't to give away all that FREE,
    food, housing, medical, computers, mobile phones, accommodation, plane rides, electricity, clothes, pension, etc, etc, etc.
    I mean let's be honest here, these kids and their bloodsucking parents have really made a contribution to our way of life.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    2:19pm
    Certainly !! And The Blood Sucking LAWYERS are thanking them too !! Can I get a Lawyer to Have a Whinge ?? NO !!.. And the Good Folk of Christmas Island must be Over The Moon with all the Tourists ??..
    Colours
    21st Aug 2014
    3:04pm
    Why not just put up pictures of Morrison at all ports? No one will ever come to Australia again. He looks just like the creature from the black lagoon. The creature was a nicer, gentler soul though.
    Incognito
    21st Aug 2014
    3:12pm
    A lot of these comments shock me, we are talking about innocent children under 10 here!! How would you feel if it was your children or grandchildren, doesn't anyone have a heart left anymore, doesn't anyone care about the future of these children who did not choose this? Get them out and away from the cruelty and suffering of the adults so they can at least have a chance.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    3:31pm
    Ask Tony that Question ?? I have a Heart But I doubt He has !!.. To busy Globe Trotting and telling others how to run their countries and look at His Mess ???? .
    I for one cant help ! And even if I could I don't want to Fill in the Equivalence of a Phone Book with Stupid Questions !..
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    3:40pm
    I know people that have donated Money to help these Kids and You know where that Money goes ?? Into the ..Thank You Very Much Account of the Federal Government !!..Thank You !! And reason those people are still there is ..Look what Labor did ?? Or else they would all be here now !! I cant see another reason only a Wicked Deterrent from a Wicked Government !! ...
    Young Simmo
    21st Aug 2014
    3:46pm
    musicveg, if their parents don't care about them why should I (A total stranger), care.
    My beer fridges comes first with me, like it or lump it.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    3:50pm
    You can Afford BEER !!..
    Halve His Pension Joe !!
    Paddles
    23rd Aug 2014
    8:49pm
    musicveg

    I have lived my life in the belief that the overwhelming primary responsibility and duty of a parent is to nurture and provide the necessities of life, including personal safety, for their children.
    These "boat people" are derelict in this duty when they cram their kids onto a leaky boat to face a hazardous trip to Australia. However, in this day and age, everyone is better informed of world affairs and I am sure that they have calculated that they have a fall back situation of relying on the charity, compassion and wooly headed thinking of people such as yourself to guarantee that it will all turn for the best.
    Fact is, we are precluded by law from taking the initiative of removing the children from their parents so that they (the kids) can get a better deal . In fact we can't often remove from potential harm Australian children who are forced to live at risk of harm.
    Bottom line is, the boat people are shamelessly using their children as pawns in their efforts to prey upon the well known charity of Australians and people such as yourself are prepared to go along with their scheme.
    Young
    21st Aug 2014
    3:51pm
    The government had not to advertise its plan to stop the boats.It did not want the people smugglers to know.All governments have to do some things in secret.It would be wonderful if all the world lived without ant secrets and we could all be friends but it will never happen.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    3:57pm
    OK ! I'm not telling You that I used Your Tax for a Big Pay Rise !!
    Davymac
    21st Aug 2014
    4:45pm
    Whimp Morrison. Keep them and their parents locked up. They were not invited to come so why should one presume that they have better rights than the average Australian.
    Fready
    21st Aug 2014
    5:08pm
    I agree that Scott is a whimp for doing this. Every one of these illegals that are accepted make it harder for you and me and our children to get a roof over our head, and a job. Remember the people smuggler who was tracked down to Canberra by an ABC reporter. ? Because they all lied about their status they were given 4 houses (one each). They said they were alone in the world.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    5:19pm
    Well that's alright !! Lying is Commendable in Canberra !! They learned Quickly !!.
    Give them a Limo each too !!
    Bobbie
    21st Aug 2014
    7:33pm
    why don't the mob in charge of this country follow the UK then we can really go down the gurgle with them. Just send them back. better still give them 3 months food and turn there boat around.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    7:48pm
    ALL ASTERN !! England..
    All Ashore that's coming Ashore !!..Australia ...
    Mar
    21st Aug 2014
    8:07pm
    Depressing and sickening to read some of these bigoted, unaustralian comments or am I naive about Australians? To get these children out of an environment that can only promote more unhappiness, bitterness and segregation is the best thing we can do. Give them hope,give them a future and promote change. Why are you all so afraid??? These are children under 10years. Are you all so impoverished and without heart? Most of the comments here leave me cold. May you all remain as blessed as you are and never know their misery. all that's left to say is "May God forgive you"!!!!!!!
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    8:24pm
    I was in a Boys Home for 7 Years when I was a Child,from 2 till 8 Yo and I never hurt Me in the Slightest !! Nope !! I still Hate Everyone !!
    Jen
    21st Aug 2014
    8:46pm
    I'd like to put some of these posters in some of these impoverished, war-torn countries and let them battle to escape persecution only to have the doors of hate closed on them one after another. By supposedly civilised, educated, privileged people.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    9:21pm
    The first parts right but the Hate part a Bit Orf !!
    Young Simmo
    21st Aug 2014
    11:21pm
    Boy some of you Goodie-Goodie 2 shoes make me sick. I was born in WA, lived all my life here and payed tax from 1954 to 1962. Now I am retired and don't want other people coming here and bleeding what little money is left away from me and a million other honest hard working Aussies.
    Do you get it?
    Jen
    22nd Aug 2014
    6:27am
    Young Simmo. The swollen banks of the Mekong is looking like a good place to dump you and your miserable bones! You think you've worked so hard and are owed so much. The arrogance of the privileged. You make me sick.
    Young Simmo
    22nd Aug 2014
    10:02am
    TUT-TUT.
    Brissiegirl
    21st Aug 2014
    8:34pm
    How many is too many? 50,000 including kids, 100,000 plus kids, 1 million, 2 million? At what point does this rorting of our Centrelink system stop? We are taking 4,500 Arab refugees, how many of them will be covert muslims? Do we want to take so many that we become a third world country, courtesy of the extreme Greens and bleeding hearts? Look at the statistics as to how many Centrelink seekers are out of work five years after they get here. We can't provide adequate social housing for our own people, yet government soon finds places for "families" who force their way in. I'm fed up with it. Why are they bypassing rich Arab neighbouring countries on their way here? This is not their country of first asylum. Why not Pakistan which is culturally, religiously and socially compatible? Why not India? I'll tell you, because it's the taxpayer funded lifestyle, medical, education, ready access to housing, unemployment benefits. Will these families be staying in homeless shelters? You can bet your rear end they won't but there's plenty of Australians doing it tough and they can't get a look in.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    8:44pm
    Could You tell Me what time the Salvos Soup Kitchen opens for Tea Please ??
    Mar
    21st Aug 2014
    8:44pm
    Particolor, that just proves my thinking. I was in a very happy family home all of my childhood,with love and caring, and I love most people.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    9:31pm
    Mar.. The first part of that was True ! but I threw the Hate part in for devilment !! It never effected Me in the Slightest !! When I got out I carried on Regardless and never looked back !! I was lucky I suppose when I see things now ! I was in a Church of England Home and Me or anybody else there were NEVER Mistreated !! Thank You .
    Mar
    21st Aug 2014
    8:55pm
    Brissiegirl, whilst I agree that our care of those living in poverty and homeless shelters in Australia leave a lot to be desired, I do not think we should punish children either. The situation is there at the moment, on our doorstep right now, and has been for some time.How good we are as a nation is how we deal with this. Are we compassionate or punishing. The lives of these children are at risk now and have been for some time. let's deal with it humanely and show what it is to be an Aussie. Very different to what they escaped from.
    Brissiegirl
    22nd Aug 2014
    7:53am
    Children are being used as an entry to Australia mechanism. I have no respect for people who put kids on boats either accompanied or not, to cross dangerous seas. The unaccompanied kids are "plants" so family reunion can happen later. It's the lifters amongst us that are being required to do everything, including lifting the leaners. Walk around any Australian capital city on any afternoon and watch the leaners we are supporting sunning themselves happily on the grass in parks and gardens. It's clear that they either can't or won't get jobs. They are not in language class. They are not doing charitable work. Someone is paying their bills. Yes, it's the lifters pushing the barrow uphill and getting no relief - just more and more heaped upon them until Medicare collapses and the standard of living our ancestors tried to protect is no better than emerging third world countries.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    8:15am
    Yes!! I've noticed it too ?? I don't think lifting a Stubby of XXXX to the Mouth is counted !!
    Mar
    21st Aug 2014
    9:01pm
    Jen, thanks for your comments. I was beginning to lose faith in human kindness.
    miss aisle
    22nd Aug 2014
    8:21am
    Mar, there wouldn't be much kindness living in Australia under sharia law,
    where being a Christian is punishable by death.
    God gave us a brain to make choices. I'm all for helping the genuine refugee.
    In muslim countries where Christians are the minority, they are treated with utter hatred. Save your compassion & prayers for these poor but courageous people.
    Young
    21st Aug 2014
    9:54pm
    But most of the people have not been persecuted.They want to come here for economic reasons.I have no problem with anyone coming here to escape dictatorial regimes.
    miss aisle
    22nd Aug 2014
    8:33am
    Yes Billy, the genuine refugee could not afford to travel halfway around the world, & pay people smugglers thousands of $'s. The economic travellers bypass all the muslim countries & are happy in the western ones. Then......they aim to turn the western country they're in, into the country they've left!
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    8:43am
    Well I don't go anywhere without My Baggage ! You don't expect them to come here without any do You ?? They are bringing You the Gift of Islam !! Now settle Down !!
    Mitch
    21st Aug 2014
    10:03pm
    Why should they be given bridging visas, no they should be sent back to where ever they came from, If they come out here, what next, will we start to have beheadings in our own country next, come on, our ancestors fought for our freedom, why don't they stand up and fight for their own, no we will run away all the way to Australia, and take our young children and pretend to be vulnerable, because they have loads of gullible people who believe they the children are innocent, don't fool yourself, these kids are trained from the minute they can walk to hate and hate with vengeance. There is no retraining.
    Raudallas
    21st Aug 2014
    10:04pm
    The left wing bias is very obvious in this and many other articles. Morrison & Abbott have saved lives and anyone with half a brain can see that the whole border protection policy is designed to act as a deterrent .
    No mention of the real refugees that we are accepting and granting safe haven to, just continual government bashing.
    Economic refugees seem to be more important to most of the left wing commentators who seem to have infiltrated many publications including this one.
    particolor
    21st Aug 2014
    10:29pm
    4,500 Iraqis heading to Your leafy suburb now !! Please look after them !!
    Mitch
    21st Aug 2014
    10:11pm
    Trust at your own peril, England did, AND LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING.
    Young
    21st Aug 2014
    10:16pm
    Well said Raudallas and Mitch.
    Young Simmo
    21st Aug 2014
    11:06pm
    Sorry people but, coming to a town near you is::::

    Islam in England is the largest non-Christian religion, with most Muslims being immigrants from South Asia (in particular Pakistan, Bangladesh and India) or descendants of immigrants from that region. Many others are from Muslim-dominated regions such as the Middle East, Afghanistan, Malaysia and Somalia, while fewer come from sub-Saharan African countries such as Nigeria, Uganda and Sierra Leone.[1]

    According to the 2011 Census, 2.7 million Muslims live in England and Wales where they form 5.0% of the general population[2] and 9.1% of children under the age of five.[3]

    Before you jump to conclusions, this came from here :::
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_England::

    Fortunately, I will be getting off this train in the next 10 minutes to 10 years.
    I sure do feel sorry for the REAL AUSSIES, if there are any left in 2050.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    8:33am
    I'll be 104 then Simmo I'll Text You from the Mosque !! .
    PS..If I've still got Me Head !!..
    Do You think You Worry too much ??
    miss aisle
    22nd Aug 2014
    8:44am
    Young Simmo, During last 3 years I have become very good friends with a refugee family (Christian). During their 6 years in a refugee camp in Kenya the guy was told by muslims "You may as well change to Islam now, as we have plans to take over the world!"
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    8:49am
    Sounds like a New Book ..The Scourge of the Mosquestika ??
    Young Simmo
    21st Aug 2014
    11:45pm
    OK, I have been a stumbler since I was 5 seconds old, so why stop now?
    Anybody else out there gone from Windows 7 X 4 GB Ram, to Windows 8 X 8 GB R am, and found the new one is actually slower???????????
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    8:22am
    I never even Entertained the Idea ! I don't FIX things that aint Busted !!
    Pass the Ductape
    22nd Aug 2014
    8:50am
    Like all politicians at times - Morrison has found himself caught between the rock and the hard place. The fact that illegal immigrants are willing to add their children to the mix is nothing but a cynical ploy to firstly, 'encourage' our government to think twice before rejecting their entry into our country - and secondly - supply ammunition to attention seeking lawyers whose only aim is to make a name for themselves.

    No-one can possibly believe that children willingly harm themselves. If these revelations are true - then it's likely their parents are encouraging them to do so; such is their warped sense of injustice where it concerns their supposed plight.

    I hope Scott Morrison continues down the path he has chosen to stop the flow of illegal boat people. Australia can well do without any person who has a tendency to use their children as frontline troops to achieve their aim.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    8:59am
    Asian Tourist Agencies don't sell Return Tickets !! But Children do travel a Half Fare !!.. Mission Accomplished !!
    miss aisle
    22nd Aug 2014
    11:29am
    Ductape, you've hit the nail on the head!
    Anonymous
    26th Aug 2014
    8:01am
    If Labor get back in power watch for the people smuggling trade to start up again.
    Any bets on that one??
    particolor
    26th Aug 2014
    10:43am
    You honestly believe that !! Do You think they will give Me a Government Loan to start a Smuggling Franchise ??..
    Young
    22nd Aug 2014
    9:00am
    Well said ductape.
    niemakawa
    22nd Aug 2014
    9:33am
    Where is the money coming from to support these children and their FAMILIES? Australia does not have the finances or infrastructure to cope with any more illegal immigrants. More than 50% of Australians are exempt from paying any taxes ( after concessions and allowances). Yet many of those keep asking for more ( pensioners, school funding, universities, medicare et al) The parents/guardians of these children should be ashamed in putting these children at risk in the first place. Many of these illegals are taking away housing and other services from Australians who are more deserving. Cancel the visas of these children and families and return them to their Country or to an offshore processing centre. Australia should consider strongly from withdrawing as a signatory to the UN Refugee Convention. It will not affect our relationship with our main trading partners should it do so.
    miss aisle
    22nd Aug 2014
    11:26am
    I agree niemakawa. I do think most Aussies share your views.
    I shudder when thinking of our childrens' future.
    buby
    22nd Aug 2014
    10:41am
    OUR own Can't get Jobs, where will they live indeed?
    Send them to china i'm sure they will find them somewhere to live and work!!!
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    1:44pm
    There's plenty of work in the Northern Territory now ! Herding Chinese Cows !!..
    "Head Em Up!! Head Em Up !! Move Em Out ..RAWHIDE !! "
    Mar
    22nd Aug 2014
    11:39am
    Sorry Particolor, I did get on my high horse there,but I really do feel concerned for these kids and I am a bit fed up with this "we'll all be doomed" attitude of a lot of these comments. We need to get more perspective on all of this. I actually appreciate many of your comments. They lighten things up a bit. I'm angry I guess, that there is such little compassion for these children and families. I migrated here over 50 years ago for the benefit of my children and I understand why most of these families do it. My family have contributed greatly to Australia during that time and I call myself Australian and have always thought Aussies are compassionate people who care for the disadvantaged. What's happening to us????.
    Young Simmo
    22nd Aug 2014
    11:49am
    Mar the is a subtle difference. You migrated here over 50 years ago.
    The current mob don't know how to spell Migrated, but they know how to gate crash.
    The next time you see 50 or so people lined up to get into a movie, go and push the first person aside and take their place and see where you end up.
    My Grandpa used to tell me there are 2 ways, the right way, and the wrong way.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    12:43pm
    Mar..You being here since I was 18 makes You an Aussie !! And it sounds like You Didn't Push In !! As You know Aussies take a Lot before they go Berserk !! What is going on now is Nothing Less than Invasion By Stealth !! And a Government Too Weak to wake up ! I live in Country City where there are no Jobs and even Less Housing ! Its worse in the Cities ! Our Carefully Rigged Newspapers are Chockers with Bunkum and Non Existent Jobs ??? Enquire about a couple and find out !! The Place has gone to the Dogs ??.. The only Skill I see here is Expertise in how to remove a Beer Bottle Cap And Petrol Syphoning ?? And getting worse !!!!..
    So BRING MORE IN that's sure to Improve things !! I'M GLAD IM OLD And wont be around to see the Aftermath of this !! And NO I'm not a Cranky Old Git, just Observant and Annoyed at Most !!..Good Luck..
    niemakawa
    22nd Aug 2014
    12:59pm
    Like your candidness, particolor.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    1:35pm
    Western Union must be doing a Roaring Trade Shovelling Money OUT of this Country ??
    Paddles
    23rd Aug 2014
    9:14pm
    Mar

    If you hit our shores more than 50 years ago then I would suggest you find a quiet place, an informed and level headed confidant of similar or greater age than yourself and then try to identify the differences in population ambiance that have taken place over the intervening years.

    I hold that we, as a people haven't changed much (particularly in the humanities) but the world in which we now live is unrecognisable when compared to that in the sixties.

    Australia in the sixties was quite insular and paid more than lip service to our British origins but all of that changed from then on with the advent of mass immigration from Asia, the Sub Continent, Middle East etc. Face it! Life IS different now and there is no going back so you must adjust your mind set.
    Mar
    22nd Aug 2014
    12:17pm
    Young Simmo, I think it depends on what we see as right or wrong, and I believe that two wrongs don't make a right. 50 years ago many migrants went through prejudice and non acceptance and accusations of taking Aussie jobs, even though the Government of the day desperately wanted migrants. Non English speaking migrants were the worst hit. Many of those people have made Australia what it is today. My family were 10 pound Poms and better accepted than some. I know we are dealing with a different culture and religious base, but these terrorists are not the majority of Muslims. The majority that want to come here are looking for the same rights to freedom , to Hope, to raise their families in peace, just as we were.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    12:58pm
    I've worked out that it would take Me 12 Years to save up the 10 Grand to Pay The Ferry Man !! let alone the Missus and 4 Kids ?? The Wages Must be Massive where they are running away from ??.. Or is it Time Payment ?? Ship 3/4 of Your Dole off back to the Caliph of Wherever ?? ..And don't Laugh I've Know Aussie Suckers that have bought a Wife back from overseas and that's where their Wages went forever more !! ..RIP !!
    Young
    22nd Aug 2014
    2:32pm
    Yes Mar,and how do we know that several of the majority that want to come here are not jihadists.We don't.We only need a few and the cancer will spread.Look at England.
    charlemagne
    22nd Aug 2014
    4:06pm
    Most of these people are not Christians and their "Bible" say that we, you and me my friends are Non-Believers (INFIDELS)! What do we and Mr. Morrison and his mates (Greens) know about these so called "Refugees"? They got not ID, no medical history, no trade certificates no papers what so ever! What about their Police Certificate? Finally- who payed their trip to come here? In my opinion this current Gov must send these "Invaders" back where ever they came from ok.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    6:45pm
    QUANTAS..
    Business Class or First Class ?..
    I. N. FIDELS. - Booking Officer...
    Fready
    22nd Aug 2014
    4:58pm
    Mar is a naive do-gooder. The fact that these muslims are children now doesn't lessen the potential for them to be terrorists in a few years. Don't you read the papers. We should adopt the same stance as Japan and ban all muslims from this country.
    niemakawa
    22nd Aug 2014
    5:06pm
    Yes. Islam and religions do not mix. This Country is worse off by inviting so many to come here to settle. I will vote for any political party that does what you suggest.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    5:21pm
    Japanese Confucius Say.. HMM!! No Likey !!
    Young Simmo
    22nd Aug 2014
    5:37pm
    All you meatheads saying yes let the kids in they are just little darlings, stop and think for a minute. In 10 or 12 years those little mongrels will be bigger mongrels, and could walk into a tackle shop anywhere and buy a 10 inch filleting knife. Then it wont be Iraq, but could be Sydney, Melbourne or Perth where a public throat cut takes place. I know it sounds rough, but that is the way this crazy world is going.
    Send them back while we have the chance and save Australia.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    6:01pm
    They have just Posted You a Bridging Visa for Outer Mongolia ....
    niemakawa
    22nd Aug 2014
    6:25pm
    Is that where the "mongorals " live!
    Young Simmo
    22nd Aug 2014
    6:37pm
    I hope the Bridging Visor includes a mobile phone and Centrelink card.
    particolor
    22nd Aug 2014
    6:51pm
    Sorry only Food Stamps for Wild Pony Milk !!
    Young Simmo
    22nd Aug 2014
    6:59pm
    Frankly I prefer Mothers milk, but if the food stamps include Frid night Pitza, I will be a good boy.
    Maybe I should clarify that and say Mother cows.
    Supernan
    22nd Aug 2014
    6:06pm
    So many mis-statements in comments, who knows where to start. Those released on bridging or temporary visa are NOT allowed to work, so of course sit around all day. They dont even get welfare for long & are supported by local charities. Few have access to English classes - none are provided near where they live.
    These people cant go home - they have none. They leave their homes because they are bombed, or invaded. They have no choice. Some go overland from refugee camp to refugee camp. Camps are over crowded, dangerous, no schools, few Drs.
    We are not being swamped. % of refugees per person in Aus is very low. About 10 times more babies born each year than new migrants arriving legally. Boat people very tiny part of arrivals.
    niemakawa
    22nd Aug 2014
    6:23pm
    Your comment is the biggest mis-statement of all. For a start Charities receive taxpayer funding, then they waste it on illegal immigrants instead of using this money for residents here.. Most have choices, especially muslims who leave their Country and pass through other safe muslim countries en-route. The babies being born here each year come from recent arrivals, who use their offspring to gain permanent settlement in Australia. Boat people have money to pay for passage here using illegal means. They are aiding and abetting in a criminal offence. As for welfare you are wrong in your statement.
    miss aisle
    23rd Aug 2014
    1:26pm
    What makes you an authority? Obviously, the info you have is coming from different places than ours. Some of us know people working in the detention centres.
    niemakawa
    24th Aug 2014
    1:10pm
    Miss aisle, I am a haven of knowledge, it comes naturally to me.
    Young Simmo
    24th Aug 2014
    1:22pm
    miss aisle, you don't have to be an authority, just have a smidgin of common sense. Look at England where the Muslims have taken over whole towns up the North, and the original English are leaving their towns in droves. They are made to feel unwelcome in a place they have occupied 1,000s of years. If you and a lot more nutcases in here want that situation for Australia, I just wish you would all go over to Syria or Iraq or get a brain transplant.

    Anybody agree???????
    niemakawa
    24th Aug 2014
    2:12pm
    An extract from the UK paper today. Many Muslim imam/leaders here in Australia will not openly discuss this issue with our Government. It is inevitable that we will be facing the same and maybe worse threats to our security than the UK. Wake up Australia while you still have the opportunity to do so.

    “UK border controls in chaos
    Figures show thousands of illegal immigrants are disappearing through the UK’s porous borders every year, raising questions about Britain's ability to catch jihadist terrorist suspects returning to the country”


    “The Home Office data, obtained by The Telegraph, show a dramatic increase in the proportion of immigrants who vanish after being stopped at border checks for carrying false passports or incorrect visas.”

    “In an article for The Telegraph on Saturday, Mrs May announced a three-point plan to counter the threat from extremist groups. New banning orders, including what has been described as an anti-social behaviour order for extremists, are being considered to curb the activities of radical preachers and extreme political groups. Mrs May echoed warnings from the Prime Minister, in another Telegraph article, that Britain faces a decades-long threat from home-grown jihadists.”
    niemakawa
    24th Aug 2014
    2:12pm
    An extract from the UK paper today. Many Muslim imam/leaders here in Australia will not openly discuss this issue with our Government. It is inevitable that we will be facing the same and maybe worse threats to our security than the UK. Wake up Australia while you still have the opportunity to do so.

    “UK border controls in chaos
    Figures show thousands of illegal immigrants are disappearing through the UK’s porous borders every year, raising questions about Britain's ability to catch jihadist terrorist suspects returning to the country”


    “The Home Office data, obtained by The Telegraph, show a dramatic increase in the proportion of immigrants who vanish after being stopped at border checks for carrying false passports or incorrect visas.”

    “In an article for The Telegraph on Saturday, Mrs May announced a three-point plan to counter the threat from extremist groups. New banning orders, including what has been described as an anti-social behaviour order for extremists, are being considered to curb the activities of radical preachers and extreme political groups. Mrs May echoed warnings from the Prime Minister, in another Telegraph article, that Britain faces a decades-long threat from home-grown jihadists.”
    particolor
    24th Aug 2014
    2:58pm
    Its too late !!
    How long have We got to get to Buggery out of here ??.
    But where Too ??
    niemakawa
    24th Aug 2014
    3:24pm
    Particolor, start praying on your hands and knees five times a day facing Mecca. You may then keep your head!
    Young Simmo
    24th Aug 2014
    3:45pm
    I think it is too late for praying, better to get your hands on an assault rifle.
    particolor
    24th Aug 2014
    3:46pm
    I thought it was 8 times ?? But I will make it 10 times Just be on the Safe Side !!...
    Hamas has just Murdered (EXECUTED) upwards of 17 People 2 of them Women in where ever they are firing those Rockets from on SUSPION of passing Information to the Israelis !! Just heard that on the Radio !!
    particolor
    24th Aug 2014
    3:49pm
    ...SUSPICION !!
    miss aisle
    24th Aug 2014
    9:03pm
    Niemakawa, when I asked "what makes you an authortiy?" I was replying to supernan's comments.
    I totally agree with yours, niemakara.
    niemakawa
    25th Aug 2014
    9:03am
    Miss aisle, sometimes it is difficult to follow he threads ( for me anyway). I am certainly not "superman". Cheers.
    miss aisle
    26th Aug 2014
    9:51am
    Supernan, you say "...who knows where to start?" Well, we could start with known facts from other countries as well as our own. You are obviously turning a blind eye to the truth. You say "they don't even get welfare long & are provided for by local charities" !! They DO get govt. welfare AS WELL as getting help from charities with clothes, items of furniture, etc. Where on earth did you get your facts from?
    Mar
    22nd Aug 2014
    7:32pm
    Supernan, Thank you for some informed information. It's so much cheaper for the Government to let them live in the community than keep them incarcerated creating more problems, and it's certainly more compassionate.
    Young
    23rd Aug 2014
    8:07am
    If these people really cared and loved their children why would they risk coming so far by sea when there were other countries that they could have gone.Please do gooders, open your eyes.
    particolor
    23rd Aug 2014
    8:19am
    What the Hell were they thinking ?? People Smugglers would make Good Politicians ! They certainly Sucked that lot in !!...
    niemakawa
    23rd Aug 2014
    9:11am
    It's all about the money it;s all about the money.............
    unicorn
    23rd Aug 2014
    10:48am
    Sure give them a house or two in MANLY i BELIEVE THAT'S NOT A BAD PLACE
    particolor
    23rd Aug 2014
    11:12am
    No ! KIRRIBILI would be far more suitable and they can get to be Friends with Prime Minister ??..
    niemakawa
    23rd Aug 2014
    12:38pm
    Maybe Redfern, they can get a taste for "real" Australia in a big city.
    particolor
    23rd Aug 2014
    12:54pm
    Meanwhile, back at the Children Overboard Blog.....
    Paddles
    23rd Aug 2014
    9:24pm
    As usual, some people in these columns seek to justify Islam as a "peaceful religion".
    Perhaps they may like to hear from a Dutch politician who has a detailed knowledge on the subject and I quote.................
    "Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies."
    miss aisle
    23rd Aug 2014
    11:04pm
    Reading the Quran is a real eye-opener - such a deep hatred for people of faiths different from theirs is scattered throughout the book; And they encourage their children to learn these rules by heart.
    particolor
    24th Aug 2014
    8:08am
    Keep Your Heads !!
    Don't get Carried Away !!
    niemakawa
    24th Aug 2014
    11:10am
    Very true. And yet Western nations still keep inviting them to settle in their countries. knowing full well of the inevitable consequences. What is the real agenda of the West, that is the unanswered question!
    particolor
    24th Aug 2014
    12:24pm
    They think it time for a Change !!
    Anonymous
    26th Aug 2014
    7:58am
    Yes, a reading of the Koran is a real eye opener. It is a way of life the majority of Australians would never, ever, want to lead.
    Paddles what you say is absolutely correct.
    This is why we must protect our borders; if we get an imbalance in the cultures of this country we are doomed.
    miss aisle
    26th Aug 2014
    8:33am
    Just glancing through the comments - seems that the majority of Aussies were against Labor's outrageous border protection policies. There are countless problems already, but some of us can see the potential of irreversable damage to our way of life.
    niemakawa
    26th Aug 2014
    9:35am
    Yes anyone with common sense would have seen the inevitable outcome of such policies. Never ever let the Labor rabble have the opportunity to govern us. The LNP are the only party that will take action to protect our borders and I would vote for them on that issue alone. I have always voted Liberal and always will. Because of the failed policies of the previous Government Australia now faces a period of severe and serious threat within our own borders from terrorists. More money will have to be allocated to fight these threats with greater surveillance of people within our borders.
    particolor
    26th Aug 2014
    10:21am
    Your Mystro has lots of Cash ?? He just allocated 16 Million to Re Educate .those that may be thinking of Radical behaviour in the Community ??..WTF ???..
    particolor
    26th Aug 2014
    10:21am
    Your Mystro has lots of Cash ?? He just allocated 16 Million to Re Educate .those that may be thinking of Radical behaviour in the Community ??..WTF ???..
    niemakawa
    26th Aug 2014
    11:32am
    Oaricolor, I agree the 16 million should not be wasted on "educating" these potential terrorists. Any Muslim that is not willing to abide by our laws and practices should leave ( by force , if necessary) the Country and never be allowed to return. Appeasing them in their cause will achieve nothing. The Government is probbaly allocating these funds at the behest of the opposition and Greens, who both want more Muslims to settle here.
    Anonymous
    26th Aug 2014
    12:13pm
    "Just glancing through the comments - seems that the majority of Aussies were against Labor's outrageous border protection policies. There are countless problems already, but some of us can see the potential of irreversable damage to our way of life."

    AND this is the main reason Labor were booted out last time and people have long memories. When it comes to voting again I hope people remember Labor in office.
    Fready
    26th Aug 2014
    12:24pm
    The 16 million is just a drop in the bucket compared with other expenses associated with illegal immigrants. Between 2008-12 under a Labor Government 31,924 people arrived on 546 boats. The average cost associated with each boat was $12.8 million making a total cost of $6.6 BILLION, that could have paid for more generous pensions, built more hospitals, schools and roads. Let's get real. These people are taking public housing and services from people born here.
    particolor
    26th Aug 2014
    2:23pm
    Let alone all the Extra Air needed for them to Breath ??
    Young Simmo
    26th Aug 2014
    1:30pm
    A lot of WAFFLE in here, I think I might Google, " Political Lessons in Kindergarten " and try to learn something.
    particolor
    26th Aug 2014
    2:26pm
    And all You will get is a Lib-Lab ..How to vote Brochure !!
    Young Simmo
    26th Aug 2014
    2:40pm
    Yeh paticolor, that brochure and next weeks $100 / week increase in the old age pension, will mean I can have 2 eggs on a Sunday morning instead of one.
    I can't wait.
    particolor
    26th Aug 2014
    2:51pm
    You want Toast with them ??
    particolor
    26th Aug 2014
    3:07pm
    Saw a Classic Here yesterday ! 2 Ladies walking around here with a Plastic bag picking op Bumpers ??.. I see Their.. Put the price of Cigarettes up is working well ??..
    They will have the Hospitals Packed with all Sorts of Diseases soon !! A bloke I know had the window of His car Smashed the other day for a Quarter Ciggy left in the Ash Tray !!!...
    Then I heard on the News that Smoking in Jail is to be Banned !! That should make them Hostile ??.. And then saw 2 Illegal Immigrants puffing away in the Concentration Camp ?? Who is paying the 30 Bucks a packet for them ? I hope I'm not ??
    Young Simmo
    26th Aug 2014
    3:30pm
    Yeh I started smoking in 1954 at 14 years and stopped in 2000. That was 18 months before my Triple Bypass and was the best decision I have made in my life.
    Now at 74 my Reconditioned engine is ticking over nicely, and I can still spin the wheels. 31 years past my father and 22 years to catch my Grandfather.
    Who knows ? Life is a Lottery.

    Oop's, now what were we talking about ?
    particolor
    26th Aug 2014
    4:09pm
    Well I was talking about Imported Cigarettes on Christmas Island ! Where only the best will do !! But I think You slipped into a Coma or Slipped on a Banana Somewhere ?? ..
    Fred
    26th Aug 2014
    9:08pm
    How can we provide homes for these people when we have thousands of homeless in this country? We have pensioners who cannot afford to eat properly, and cannot afford decent medical care. Most of these people will be on welfare for years and will produce children that will feel hard done by. Look at the UK and France to see what can happen here.
    Jen
    27th Aug 2014
    7:32am
    So many false statements going around about asylum seekers, it's phenomenal. People believe what they want to believe. Facts are pushed aside. Yet the kids who're excelling at school, the top of their classes, are invariably Middle Eastern and Asian, more often than Australian kids. These are the kids who'll be your dedicated and skilled surgeons, the scientists of the future, the engineers which build Australia. But some, treated badly, will go a different way, and live up to their detractors' expectations.
    miss aisle
    27th Aug 2014
    11:30am
    Yes Fred, I'm glad some of us are taking note of the chaos being experienced in other countries & trying to warn people here not to be too compacent. Hopefully, there won't come a time when we say "it's too late"! I also think about our summer water restrictions.

    Jen, what authority are you to say the comments about these illegal, queue jumpers are wrong? Don't you see what is happening in our world?
    particolor
    27th Aug 2014
    3:26pm
    Never Mind !! Tony will fix it with 67 Million Bucks worth of Naughty Boy Lectures !!
    Abby
    27th Aug 2014
    12:44pm
    I watched the the Australian Human Rights Commission inquiry and was absolutely abhorred by Prof Gillian Triggs who was sitting on the bench and told lies such as that she went to the camp on three occasions and had to pass through armored guards .... when no armored guards are used.

    She should be thrown off the Human Rights Commission - why do we want to pay somebody like that that tells LIES about Australia - What sort of outcome can you expect from biased people like that - who are willing to tell lies to prove their thoughts .
    miss aisle
    27th Aug 2014
    8:21pm
    Yes Abby, there should be accountability & consequenses for anyone lying during court of law/commission enquiries, etc., let alone someone in authority! I'm glad she was cut short & corrected & made to look uncomfortable with that & the comparison of jails to detention centres. But that is unprofessional & criminal behaviour, & deserves dismissal. She's untrustworthy.
    Jen
    28th Aug 2014
    9:23am
    Yes, speaking of lying....who more than Tony Abbott, the king of lying and cheating, abusing his position, being unprofessional, deserves dismissal? Untrustworthy in the extreme.
    miss aisle
    28th Aug 2014
    10:21am
    The LNP are desperately trying to bring the huge deficit handed down to them -
    it was easy for Labor to spend money we didn't have, but proving a nightmare to pay it back, plus the billions in interest. They deserve our support & gratitude for tackling this monumental feat!
    Jen
    28th Aug 2014
    10:48am
    OMG That's the feeblest excuse I've ever read as to why an entire population is being lied to, having details which affect us all when we make decisions at the ballot box, being hidden from us, promises broken, by the people who were elected to LEAD us. Yeah, down the garden path. Well, not all of us. I look forward to the "accountability and consequences," (your words) even if they won't come for a little while. But they will come.
    particolor
    28th Aug 2014
    12:12pm
    Wipe the Debt off as Infrastructure Costs on all the Land and Property they have Purchased ..Pwobwem Solved !!
    Anonymous
    29th Aug 2014
    3:49pm
    I hope that this current government does rein in spending. I for one "do" care about the high debt even if other don't. It is best to take the medicine now than leave it for much later when it will turn out to be really nasty. We do not want to go down the path of Greece do we??

    From earlier this year.
    Breaking a vow not to impose any more austerity measures, the Greek coalition government led by Prime Minister Antonis Samaras, the New Democracy Conservative leader, is set to slash already-reduced auxiliary pensions as much as another 25 percent.

    Greek retirees, besides their pensions, receive auxiliary benefits they earned from deductions from their salaries over decades of work and they’ve already seen those cut.

    Now they could be reduced by another 25 percent, according to the Labor Institute of the General Confederation of Greek Labor (INE/GSEE) although the government put the figure at far less.

    The Labor Ministry said the cuts are necessary after the abolition of 24 indirect taxes that fed money into the labor pool, estimating a drop of 120 million euros ($165.03 million) although the labor unions said it would be 1.7 billion euros ($2.33 billion), the money taken from pensioners.

    Some pensioners are already living on benefits of 300 euros ($412.60) although Samaras has promised to help them with returns from a primary surplus of 1.5 billion euros, only to see bigger cuts later.

    Lump sums that retirees earned have also been cut 40 percent and more although the country’s highest court has ruled those unconstitutional, posing a problem for the government if the money has to be returned retroactively and current retirees receive what they are fully due. The court said the money belong to the beneficiaries, not the government, which has nevertheless expropriated it.

    The remaining 72 indirect taxes for such funds are also set to be revised by the end of the year, as Development Minister Costis Hatzidakis clarified this week, which would inflict a further blow on the pensions old and new pensioners receive, another blow that the government promised wouldn’t happen.

    “These contributions will be gathered in one account at the Finance Ministry, which will distribute them according to the needs of each fund. No social security fund structure will be put in danger with the incorporation of all such resources in one account,” the president of the Social Security Foundation (IKA), Rovertos Spyropoulos, said.

    “As of January 1, 2014, you will get what you’ve paid for, as there will be an individual share, with no discrimination, while the system of supplementary pensions will be clear and transparent for all workers,” noted Anastasios Papanikolaou, the president of the Single Auxiliary Social Security Fund (ETEA).

    - See more at: http://greece.greekreporter.com/2014/03/29/greek-pensioners-face-25-auxiliary-cut/#sthash.MxgMp7cK.dpuf
    Jen
    29th Aug 2014
    7:18pm
    But fortunately, there is no comonality between Greece and Australia. Australia remains in top financial condition, still with a triple A credit rating intact, although it's population is feeling the effects of a recessionary Government, so how long we'll be as fortunate as we've been, is anybody's guess. And Greece has been in the pits for decades.
    miss aisle
    30th Aug 2014
    1:55pm
    Yes, Radish - we'd be wise to learn from the mistakes of other countries.
    We'd also be wise to support our govt. while they try desperately to get our fiscal situation under control, with unpopular taxes, etc. The reckless spending & crazy ideas from Labor were thankfully interrupted. If Labor continued to be in power, we'd be well on the way of Greece. So, wake up, Aussies.
    particolor
    30th Aug 2014
    3:38pm
    Yes they set off with the Perfect Leadership Qualities of how to FIX National Debt !!
    Give Yourself a MASSIVE Pay Rise .. Now You lot Follow the Leadership !! And we will have the Heavy Lifting and Debt Settlement Fixed in no time !!..
    miss aisle
    31st Aug 2014
    8:54am
    Jen, "so how long we'll be as fortunate as we've been, is anybody's guess." ?
    Our country's financial situation basically, is not just a hit or miss affair!
    Good outcomes come from sound policies - Labor nearly put us down the gurgler..
    "pink bats, school halls, illegals, NBN,handing out borrowed money, just to name a few". Whether managing money for the nation or a household, if you don't live within your means - you end up sacrificing a good way of life.
    Naturally, the govt. is not popular trying to fix Labor's debt, plus $billions of interest rising every day. Labor seems to "live for today" where the Coalition wants to "extend today's way of life into tomorrow".
    Jen
    31st Aug 2014
    9:01am
    Miss aisle, you are wrong on so many counts I couldn't be bothered wasting my time putting you right. But that's fine, you're entitled to ignore the facts, believe the propaganda, and live in fear, which is exactly what TA wants. I'm off to enjoy a perfect Queensland day in paradise!
    miss aisle
    31st Aug 2014
    3:13pm
    Jen, I'm definitely not "living in fear" - a poor excuse when you have no truthful answers!
    Young Simmo
    30th Aug 2014
    2:49pm
    Well it has gone dead quiet in here with about only one comment in the last 24 hrs, so I am going to try and liven things up a bit.
    ARE YOU READY?
    How many of you people agree with voluntary Euthanasia?
    I certainly do.
    Why should my dog be able to escape a bit of pain, and I have to suffer probably 6 months of never ending pain.
    Sorry Kaye, but it is Sat and I need a bit of a spark.
    particolor
    30th Aug 2014
    3:45pm
    Well I agree Y Simmo !! So I am sending You this Bottle of Pills I found under the Laundry sink ! I haven't got the Foggiest what they are ??? The Rats ate the label ! .
    But I'll bet they Knock You Off in no time !!.... Good Luck !!
    Young Simmo
    30th Aug 2014
    3:52pm
    Thanks particolor, I just need to work out whether to have them with my Weeties, or with my roast dinner when I go to Joe Hockey's place.
    particolor
    30th Aug 2014
    4:07pm
    I think its a bottle of Jeremiah Peabodys Polly Unsaturated, Quick Dissolving Pleasant Tasting, Green and Purple Pills ?? Left over from the 60's ??.. They should go down well with the Pheasants Breast and Asparagus Tips at Joes Joint ??
    Young Simmo
    30th Aug 2014
    4:18pm
    Now you have got me puzzled, do Asparagus Tits come from Pheasants Breasts
    particolor
    30th Aug 2014
    4:33pm
    No !! They come from the Soothsayer Asparagus in Roman Mythology Who predicted Future Events.. Like Cigar Futures and The Fall of the Australian Empire !! Future Sea Invasions and the like !!..
    Anonymous
    31st Aug 2014
    10:49am
    I find some of the comments in this thread utterly disgusting. These are children we're talking about. Where they came from, why they were brought here etc is irrelevant. They're here now..treat them with compassion for God's sake. Woud you like your grandchildren to be treated in this way?
    particolor
    31st Aug 2014
    12:09pm
    Have it Your Way !! But I wouldn't be Cramming Mine on a 6 Man Leaky Fishing Boat to go 15,000 Miles or more in the first Place ???
    Young Simmo
    31st Aug 2014
    12:25pm
    Fleur, 235 Comments, and nothing has changed for the kids, so lighten up because I can promise you that you make any difference.
    Solighten up,

    NOW:
    Are you in favour of voluntary Euthanasia or not?
    particolor
    31st Aug 2014
    12:27pm
    Some would Fight Till The End for it !!
    miss aisle
    31st Aug 2014
    3:30pm
    I think voluntary euthanasia is a touchy subject. If someone you loved asked you ahead of time to be with him/her, when the time came, I think you may get cold feet. Could be too confronting. The same vise/versa. I realize that watching a loved one in pain is also very confronting, but I believe in waiting until life ceases.


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