Law changes will damage privacy

New anti-terror laws are expected to pass the senate before the end of the week.

The National Security Legislation Amendment Bill (No.1) 2014, containing anti-terrorism laws, is expected to pass the Senate this week. These changes will give Australia's security agency ASIO the power to monitor and conduct surveillance on any person’s internet activity.

Attorney-General George Brandis has labelled the legislation as "urgent". There have only been two senators stating their opposition to the bill, with the bill receiving the support of both Labor and the Palmer United Party (PUP).

The legislation will change which information ASIO can access under a computer warrant. ASIO would be able to use just one warrant to access an unlimited number of devices on a network, and experts are warning that the whole internet could be monitored under just one warrant.

Greg Burns of the Australian Lawyers Association, said the new laws will allow ASIO to monitor the activity of “anyone, anytime, anywhere” and that there are “few, if any, limits now”.

Read more from the ABC
Read more from The Age

Opinion: Will you lose your privacy?

If you are using the internet from your computer, tablet or smartphone, chances are that someone is already tracking you online. Whether you are being tracked in the form of Google, recording every step you take and the location your phone travels, or your anti-virus scanner recording every website it checked for malware before allowing you to visit, there will always be a program capable of tracking you.

As with anything in life, there are always precautions you can take, settings you can turn off and even software you can buy to increase your online privacy, but will it even matter once the new laws pass? Only if you have something to hide.

The simple fact of the matter is that the only people who need to worry about the powers being given to ASIO through these legislation changes are those breaking the law, and those planning to break the law. While we all have a right to some form of privacy, we also have the right to feel safe walking the streets and that feeling has been eroded over the past week.

The new legislation certainly isn’t all sunshine and rainbows. One of the worrying components of the bill is that it will be made an offence to “advocate terrorism”, including on social media. Looking further into the definition of terrorism, “the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims”, suggests that almost any political statement or opinion could be classified under the new law changes and they will be open to interpretation.

What do you think? Are these new laws necessary to secure the safety of all Australians? Or do they go too far towards invading our right to privacy and due process?





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    Adrianus
    25th Sep 2014
    10:05am
    Yes these new changes are necessary. We cannot allow modern technology to be instrumental in returning us to the 7th century.
    Theo1943
    25th Sep 2014
    12:08pm
    Instead modern technology is taking us to 1984.
    Theo1943
    25th Sep 2014
    12:13pm
    Soon we will get a software update which keeps our webcams turned on so Big Brother can watch us 24/7.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    12:14pm
    Yes I know You saw Me put a Tad too much Vegemite on My morning toast !! I'll try to be a little more sparing tomorrow BBro !!
    Kato
    25th Sep 2014
    12:33pm
    yes particolor homebrand next toime please.
    Adrianus
    25th Sep 2014
    12:53pm
    "The choice for mankind lies between freedom and happiness and for the great bulk of mankind, happiness is better."

    Can you still be happy without a webcam?
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    1:15pm
    No IKKYMITE for Me thanks Kato !!
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    2:41pm
    Time to move to Singapore Frank. I bet you'd hate it there.
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    2:47pm
    With regard to the article it is a hard one. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The problem is always in the implementation and the abuse of power. This is what worries people rather than the legislation itself.
    Adrianus
    25th Sep 2014
    2:56pm
    mick, you are making the same mistake as many others.
    Do you honestly believe we have a choice????
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    3:13pm
    We always have a "choice" Frank.
    Please tell me how many Australians have so far been beheaded in this country. Please tell me how many Australians die in motor accidents every year.
    Please tell me how many of the muslims in the raid a week ago had any significant charges laid? Answer: all were released and one had a few bulltes and a non functioning tazer gun. So how many middle eastern young men have bullets and the guns to go with them???
    You appear to (again) be doing work for your boss Frank. Please read my lips: AUSTRALIANS DO NOT WANT TO BE CONTROLLED BY GOVERNMENTS. Tell Tony.
    Adrianus
    25th Sep 2014
    3:41pm
    So this is all Tony Abbott's fault again is it?
    niemakawa
    25th Sep 2014
    4:06pm
    It's a lay-down-misere for any Government. Got you" by the short and curlies". Ouch!!!
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    7:28pm
    As normal Frank you are mimicking Abbott's policies. Strange.
    miss aisle
    25th Sep 2014
    8:32pm
    I feel more secure with the Coalition in govt.
    Labor proved incompetent with simple issues let alone our safety.
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    8:56pm
    Check out the supposed bad Labor policies. You may find that the media is less than factual. Then look at the current government and check out the growing number of lies.
    They do appear to have stopped the boats. The deficit? Increased by $30 billion, so far. No new taxes? Have a look at the budget. There is much more.
    Whilst my disdain for this government is well documented I am interested in the facts.....not those espoused by the media, which is well and truly involved in the game.
    By all means support whosoever you believe is worthy miss aisle. But perhaps make a choice based on the truth.
    Adrianus
    25th Sep 2014
    9:42pm
    I am pleased we don't have the ALP/Unions/Greens/Independents still in government. When it comes to matters of national security we need a government focused on what's best for the country.
    The other mob with all their factions and hidden agendas simply weren't good enough. Even now as they all write their books they can't even agree on what actually happened.
    Anonymous
    25th Sep 2014
    10:07pm
    FASCISM…..OPPRESSION…..FASCISM…..OPPRESSION.

    End of story!

    WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM!

    You are all so ready to allow POLITICIANS decide WHAT you can or cannot do!

    I am DISGUSTED WITH the statement…. IF YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR…..BALDERDASH!

    Once this information is allowed to be accepted in digital form….anything can be altered or added to WITHOUT detection. One of the States (Vic or NSW) are enacting laws that actually state that information obtained by 'suits in the shadows' can be ALTERED or ADDED to with IMPUNITY.

    These OPPRESSIVE LAWS allow, right now, for the government and 'suits in the shadows' to remove you from the streets IF you should raise your voice against ANYTHING that the government/corporations are doing…. the new laws, make this ABSOLUTE.

    This utter CRAP that this sort of thing is acceptable is beyond me…. it is OPPRESSION, you know, the OPPOSITE to DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM.

    It would be AMUSING, if it was not so downright EVIL, that the right wing on here that talk of DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM in Western Countries and OPPRESSION of the people in State Communist countries, are the LOUDEST to proclaim their support for MORE OPPRESSIVE LAWS.

    HOW bloody well INDOCTRINATED are you lot of *888@@@#$%$#@#@…….. GO ON KEEP SUCKING UP the PROPAGANDA and destroy your Western Democracy and Freedom and turn your country into an OPPRESSIVE REGIME.

    Use your brains for F*****s sake!

    Quote from BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both"
    PlanB
    26th Sep 2014
    6:51am
    Oh Muss how right you are! This BS makes me as mad as you, also that the "sheeple" accept this crab. Can't these fools see what is happening! It is



    Problem Reaction Solution (Latin: Ordo ab Chao) is a mass mind control system. It is used to make changes to the law that the citizens would not accept otherwise.




    Create a problem
    Terrorism, financial crisis, etc.
    Manufacture a reaction
    Let the mainstream media only broadcast/print the side of the problem you want to show
    Provide a solution
    wars, corporate tax-cuts, welfare budget cuts, etc.

    The latin phrase Ordo ab Chao literally means Order out of Chaos and is the moto of Thirty-third Degree Freemasons.
    Anonymous
    26th Sep 2014
    10:33am
    If it not for ASIO being "on the ball" we would have seen a lot more terrorism in this country. They have thwarted a number of attempts which were not made public.
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    10:44am
    Radish.. I don't think that Many of us have any complaints about them !! ..But its a Barsted when they Bust up Your Drug Lab and take all Your Guns and Money !!
    Anonymous
    26th Sep 2014
    10:14pm
    WELL, we how have LAWS that:
    - give "suits in the shadows" the ability to gather information on ALL Australians
    - no longer require the "suits in the shadows" to be ACCOUNTABLE - they have unrestricted powers
    - says that it is ILLEGAL to be a WHISTLEBLOWER

    POINT 1 & 2 - So, they can gather any information they like (internet & phone) and store it digitally which means that it can be altered or added to at any time without detection.
    This information can be used against ANY Australian who SPEAKS out AGAINST the Australian Govt.
    ASIO, did this same thing to Lionel MURPHY when he was just about to step into the highest legal position (HIGH COURT) in Australia… ASIO illegally tapped his phone and then illegally modified the recording.
    This was when that idiot HAWK was PM and he allowed them to get away with it… probably because they threatened to disclosed his 'affair' with his current wife, whilst still married to his previous wife.
    This sort of POWER unleashed WITHOUT any form of CHECKS or ACCOUNTABILITY ensures CORRUPTION.
    The "suits in the shadows" should answer to and be accountable to the courts AND our political REPRESENTATIVES.
    Without PROPER CHECKS or ACCOUNTABILITY, these organisations can 'PROVIDE FOR' anyone who pays them…… i.e.. FOREIGN mega corporations.

    POINT 3 - In addition to NO CHECKS or ACCOUNTABILITY on our SPY organisations…. ANY PERSON who discloses information that identifies MALFEASANCE, ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES, CORRUPTION, or even TREASON….. will be PROSECUTED!!!!

    Obviously, Tony Abbott didn't like it when he got sprung by a whistleblower, for not declaring and accepting gifts and special treatment for his daughter (offered special -free- scholarship that no others where considered for)…. after that organisation got GENEROUS GRANTS …. yes, OUR taxpayers money. This also occurred with HUGE grants being paid to MURDOCH's daughter who is involved in the Arts.
    The whistleblower in Tony Abbott's case, was charged and put through the court system for accessing and printing out a list of students under a 'hacking' law…. there was no way of persecuting the other whistleblower, so can see why Tony wants to HIDE this form of CORRUPTION with laws that prosecute such people!!

    '1984' George Orwell….. here we come… but a lot, lot worse.

    LIBERALS are despicable BUT LABOR also are to be held accountable because they agreed with everything that ABBOTT put forward…. I am DISGUSTED and will never forget this BETRAYAL of the PEOPLE of Australia.
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    10:51pm
    Written from Deep Within My Men in Black Proof Bunker !!!
    Adrianus
    27th Sep 2014
    9:18am
    Huge Grants going to Murdoch is he?
    Anonymous
    27th Sep 2014
    2:58pm
    Frank and others who think these new OPPRESSIVE FASCIST laws are okay:

    BRITAIN'S PM David CAMERON is officially announcing a the plan to use a full assault on dissenting views and made this statement to the U.N.:

    "NON-VIOLENT EXTREMISM is JUST as DANGEROUS as TERRORISM and MUST be ERADICATED using ALL MEANS at the GOVERNMENT'S DISPOSAL"


    Well that is ME gone and EVERYONE else on this site that has opposing views to the govt. Starting to sound more and more Orwellian and entirely SINISTER.
    Adrianus
    29th Sep 2014
    6:44pm
    Mussi, I think the new laws are ok because they are a proactive move toward protecting the Australian citizens. You would have us live in Utopia, but it does not exist. Your language smacks of dumb obedience which says to me that you have been unable to live by the spirit of this societies rules and have responded by manufacturing a false intention into the interpretation.
    Grateful
    25th Sep 2014
    10:21am
    Give them every help they can get to remove this cancer from our society/world.
    I have absolutely nothing to fear, nor should any other law abiding citizen.
    I have more concern how Google USES my details to provide it to everyone and anyone for advertising and revenue purposes. That's what I'd like to see regulated!!!
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    10:45am
    Yep !! I've had a word to Google about that Behaviour !!.. Personally it never worried Me overduely but I have seen others get Rather Irate about it !!!
    Theo1943
    25th Sep 2014
    12:17pm
    You should never fear the Secret State Police. In German that is the GE(heime) ST(aat)s PO(lizei). The GESTAPO will keep you safe.
    Anonymous
    25th Sep 2014
    4:27pm
    Well said Grateful!
    Anonymous
    26th Sep 2014
    10:43pm
    Grateful….. remember that if the USA did not mass murder middle eastern innocent civilians in the hundreds of thousands, none of this would occur…

    Additionally, MOST of the 'so called' terrorist attacks and identified terrorists found in Australia have been FIRFIES that have NOT stood up in a court of law…. even a little bit! The prosecution were even the ones to suggest to the judge that all charges be dropped through lack of any form of valid evidence. With these new laws that will change because 'evidence' can now be INVENTED.

    Theo1943

    You are the only one with sense it seems…. good to see someone else step aside from the GROSS propaganda which CLEARLY removes OUR FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY and CLEARLY generates OPPRESSION and FASCISM.

    This is a little SCENARIO:

    -The Communists weren't worried when the Gypsies were taken away… because the Communists they were good citizens and had done nothing wrong, so did nothing;
    -The Jews weren't worried when the Communists were taken away… because the Jews were good citizens and had done nothing wrong, so did nothing;
    -The disabled and homosexuals weren't worried when the Jews were taken away… because the disabled and homosexuals were good citizens and had done nothing wrong, so did nothing;

    Are YOU in a group that may represent a threat…. no matter that you are a good citizen and have done nothing wrong.

    I would say that it will start with the PERSECUTION of ALL MUSLIMS in Australia…. that is already happening UNDER ABBOTT (and his Liberal predecessor - Howard, who incited Australia's first racial riots).

    Everyone will remain silent…

    Then the next group may be those calling for EQUITY and ACCOUNTABILITY of governments.

    Everyone will remain silent…

    ETC…ETC….

    Don't think it won't happen…. you may NOT know about it…. simply not reported in the CONTROLLED MEDIA... OR the group will be VILIFIED, as is currently happening to the MUSLIM COMMUNITY and racial hatred infused into the society and this society WILL ACTIVELY call for their PERSECUTION and PROSECUTION.

    Hell we are half way there already.
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    11:23pm
    Grateful.. I just went for a look in there again and they (Google) think it is Hilarious and made a Complete window on it ..People swearing at them for Displaying their Personal Details on the World Wide Web ?? Where's the LAW NOW ???..So any site You go on now Give a BS Name and a Bum Address !!
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    10:32am
    Hullo ASIO Peeps !! Hows Yer Mothers Ducks ??
    Kato
    25th Sep 2014
    12:34pm
    just duks nutz she said.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    12:51pm
    Ill bet she said "Hey ! Get over here and look at these Cretins !!" "Scared (W)hitless !!"
    miss aisle
    25th Sep 2014
    10:39am
    Constant challenges for the govt. to try & keep its citizens safe.
    Hard work, & it needs all the help it can get.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    10:47am
    AGREED
    Anonymous
    25th Sep 2014
    4:29pm
    I actually agree with you miss aisle!
    AlbertC
    25th Sep 2014
    11:11am
    very true they do need all the support they can get to draw up support from all sectors of this great country of ours this includes the good Muslims that came hear to live in peace those who think that the corrupted version of the Koran is for them well they can take a long run of a short pier and swim with the sharks back to where they came from fully armoured enjoy the swim................have a nice day
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    12:18pm
    How Un Australian !!.. Now toss Your Fellow Man a Towel !!..
    Kato
    25th Sep 2014
    12:35pm
    And make sure its a beach Towel.
    Carole
    25th Sep 2014
    11:15am
    I've got nothing to hide! So if it helps to keep us safe from these radicals then I'm all for it.
    Theo1943
    25th Sep 2014
    12:12pm
    But who keeps us safe from the Safety Police?
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    12:21pm
    Dunno ?? They will probably Abolish the Police Integrity Division You think ??
    Adrianus
    25th Sep 2014
    12:39pm
    I've got nothing to hide either. I went through xray at the airport and the lady was smiling at me but I had nothing to declare.
    Kato
    25th Sep 2014
    12:43pm
    can those machines measure flatulence.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    12:46pm
    "OOH!! WHAT A BEAUTY !! I've never seen one as big as that before !!"
    Kato
    25th Sep 2014
    12:50pm
    so said Bab's to Syd.
    Kato
    25th Sep 2014
    12:54pm
    no I think that was Franky Howerd
    mangomick
    25th Sep 2014
    11:45am
    I wonder if in today's political environment the U.S would categorize Paul Revere as a patriot or a Terrorist. i don't understand the rationale of giving away basic freedoms in the name of maintaining your basic freedoms. it's almost as if we have gone back to the days of Joseph McCarthy.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    11:56am
    "THE BRITISH ARE COMMING !!"
    Theo1943
    25th Sep 2014
    12:11pm
    Muslims under the beds?
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    12:23pm
    Borers in the Floor , Get a Flick Man ~
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    2:51pm
    What about Julian Assange?
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    5:36pm
    He's part of the furniture in the Embassy !!
    Tom Tank
    25th Sep 2014
    12:21pm
    Just as the Army, navy and Air Force always want the best equipment money can buy then so intelligence agency always want the maximum amount of ability to spy on people. I was under the impression that the ability was already there that would allow ASIO to access a suspect's communications.
    It would appear that this law gives Carte Blanche to security agencies to spy on anyone anytime for reasons known only to them. Looks like George Orwell was right and the prediction was made that this would come about under the guise of National Security.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    12:29pm
    Half of those Departments don't even talk to each other ?? Its like find out Yer Bloody self !!
    Kato
    25th Sep 2014
    12:41pm
    Dad's Army. Mannering will tell ya.
    Kato
    25th Sep 2014
    12:42pm
    or Fraser' canny Lad that one.
    KSS
    25th Sep 2014
    12:43pm
    Just 'Don't panic!'
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    12:54pm
    "You Stupid Boy Pike!!"
    wombatwyn
    25th Sep 2014
    12:24pm
    Theo 1943 - if you are concerned about being watched through your webcam, the solution is simple. Stick a piece of post-it note or similar over the camera eye. Easy to remove when you need to use the camera but in the meantime your paranoia can rest easy!
    KSS
    25th Sep 2014
    12:42pm
    Or use the 'off' button.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    12:58pm
    MOON THEM !!!
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    2:53pm
    That works for Google but not your web browsing habits, even if these are benign.
    Anonymous
    25th Sep 2014
    3:51pm
    Thats what I did when I found out about the webcam...just put masking tape over it. Problem solved.
    Ming
    25th Sep 2014
    12:27pm
    Yes I would much rather loose my privacy than my head!!!!
    micky d.
    25th Sep 2014
    12:34pm
    Succinctly put !
    100%
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    12:35pm
    STREWTH !!!! I read that as ..I would much rather loose my privates than my head ??
    YEE HAA!!..
    I think You meant...I would much rather LOSE My privacy, than lose my Head !!
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    2:54pm
    One way to remove your burqua Ericjoan. Oh....did I say that. Chuckle!!!!
    Anonymous
    27th Sep 2014
    3:16am
    Then Ericjoan, DON'T go to Saudi Arabia…. during the time (the USA's trained, funded and armed) ISIS captured, held and beheaded the journalist, Saudi Arabia had beheaded 113 civilians.

    Anyway, I do understand by YOUR reckoning, that 650,000 innocent Iraqi civilians murdered, directly or indirectly by the USA in Iraq, is absolutely nothing to ONE American journalist that is beheaded. Even if some of the 650,000 (or 200kms of bodies laid side by side) innocent civilians were not only beheaded but in little bits….and included babies and children.

    Now, tell me how giving away your DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM, will save you from being beheaded….. DUH!

    This is what an American site call it: "Australia Unleashes Draconian New Anti-Terror Law In Orwellian Orgy Of Baseless Fear-Mongering".

    Did you catch the last bit "Baseless Fear-Mongering"….. roped in good and proper, weren't you! Sold your DEMOCRATIC rights and FREEDOM for something that was already in place to protect you.

    Because of your and others STUPIDITY, Australia is on the road to being an OPPRESSED FASCIST regime, controlled by…… WELL WE DON'T KNOW because they are SECRET POLICE who DO NOT have to be ACCOUNTABLE to anyone!!!!!!!!
    miss aisle
    27th Sep 2014
    1:25pm
    Mussti - If you are so outraged about this change, can you imagine how outraged
    we would be under the threat of the totally dominating sharia law?
    Do you ever look at both sides?
    We are desperately trying to continue with our chosen way of life.
    Tony Abbott could introduce more laws in the future, but that's OK.
    It's for a good cause.
    philary
    25th Sep 2014
    12:33pm
    If we are doing the right thing there is nothing to worry about, it's for our protection.
    miss aisle
    26th Sep 2014
    8:06am
    Yes philary, most of us with nothing to hide are grateful if the govt. gets
    an increase of power. It makes one think - why so much anger ??
    We need to change our laws with the times.
    It's not just our safety, but future generations.
    ray from Bondi
    25th Sep 2014
    12:34pm
    there is a real danger that we will loose control, though the bad guys want us to fear, our governments are not always concerned our basic freedoms, I believe that they believe we, should just do as we are told, just in Orwell's 1984, a good read, I think he is a prophet.
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    2:56pm
    The real issue is OVER-REACtING. That is what terrorists want. Just imagine how the public would go viral if an AUstralian were beheaded in Australia by a muslim. That I believe is the intention.
    Adrianus
    27th Sep 2014
    9:33am
    All I have been hearing lately is what terrorists want. There seems to be so many experts on terrorism. I have no idea what they want. I am totally confused. I suppose that's also what they want?
    particolor
    27th Sep 2014
    11:09am
    Men Behaving Badly !!
    Aussiefrog
    25th Sep 2014
    12:35pm
    What privacy?
    ray from Bondi
    25th Sep 2014
    12:39pm
    now that is a good question, at this time, we do have a small measure, but do you want the guys in black coats visiting because you use a private network and they can not see what you are doing, or because you put a comment on Facebook, it is not far away
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    2:57pm
    Sounds like Men in Black Ray.
    dougie
    25th Sep 2014
    12:40pm
    I would be worried if this information was not made available to the correct authorities. One can see from this weeks activities just how necessary it is for the authorities to be one step ahead of the "demons of Terror."
    I would rather have some personal information or activity known to the authorities than to wake up one morning and find that I was dead.
    Everyone must become involved in this terror attack and most of all the parents of young easily swayed Muslims both male and female.
    I do not like Jacqui Lambi or her statements but maybe there is a need for the removal of full head coverings whilst in Public. Surely a headscarf is sufficient. There can be no holiness in full coverage of head and face which the allows for easy disguise and non recognition of threats. The Muslim women must be the ones who initially make this decision however if they do not and the threats continue or increase then legislation must ensure our safety.
    KSS
    25th Sep 2014
    1:14pm
    I don't care what people choose to wear (or not). Can anyone tell me what the difference is between say a motorcyclist with a full face helmet, or a person on the ski-slopes with a balaclava having to remove their head-gear under certain circumstances and that of a woman wearing the burka having to remove hers in the same circumstances?
    lasaboy
    25th Sep 2014
    3:01pm
    The one with the burka will scream blue bloody murder if she is asked to remove hers
    Adrianus
    25th Sep 2014
    3:14pm
    I was a little nervous once when boarding an International flight with 3 burka wearing people in front of me. I honestly couldn't tell if they were male or female? I know that doesn't sound good to say but after all isn't that why they are worn?
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    6:07pm
    I wonder how many Peeping Toms go into the Ladies Lavy wearing that Clobber ??.
    Makes the mind boggle where else they go too ??
    miss aisle
    26th Sep 2014
    8:21am
    dougie, I think there's a definite need for removal of full head covers,
    just like in muslim countries there would be a definite need for westerners to cover their heads.
    We should should think first, of our safety, our culture & our peace of mind.
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    8:56am
    I'm making a NED KELLY Helmet !!
    Adrianus
    26th Sep 2014
    9:30am
    Many things can be concealed under the niqab.
    http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/09/25/09/44/mystery-woman-risks-life-film-syria-terror-with-niqab-hidden-camera
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    9:54am
    Reminds Me of Houston's GST Debarkel ?? If the Cake has Icing on it ........
    Grumpy
    25th Sep 2014
    12:42pm
    Those of you are wholly supportive of the new legislation clearly have not read, or simply do not understand its provisions. You certainly have never studied history.
    Our current system represents a balance between unrestrained power for the wealthy and powerful and the interests of the rest. Those powers are excercised by an elected government. The power of the government is restrained by legal checks and balances wrested from the wealthy (and therefore powerful) over centuries (the rule of law). By these new laws the executive in power simply removes those checks and balances giving itself greater power and the ability to abuse that power for its own ends.
    My reading about the legislation tells me that as originally proposed in relation to declared SIO's it is clearly contemplated that ASIO and other government operatives WILL break the law by which you and I are bound. This is obvious because a provision specifically grants those operatives immunity from prosecution for whatever they do. Thus other laws which prohibit use of torture as narrowly defined can be broken with impunity if the person being interrogated is a member of an SIO.
    originally SIO's were declared at the whim of ASIO. Then reason prevailed. ASIO must now get approval from the Attorney General. Do you ever really believe George Brandis will say no?
    Protection? An operation involving 800 law officers across a range of States detained (with the only justification being suspicion) 15 people. My recollection is that this massive anti-terrorism sweep resulted with one person being charged (I believe for possession of ammunition without a licence) and the rest being released after several days of detention.
    perhaps the law should be concentrated more on operational effectiveness and good solid police work, rather than political theatrics.
    KSS
    25th Sep 2014
    12:51pm
    "My recollection is that this massive anti-terrorism sweep resulted with one person being charged". What would you have rather happened Grumpy? Wait until there was a public decapitation then arrested the perpetrator for malicious wounding?

    The events yesterday in Melbourne show that waiting is patently ridiculous.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    1:27pm
    Get BOND !!
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    2:59pm
    That is of course the real worry Grumpy. Any wonder people are not trusting of the stated intentions.
    lasaboy
    25th Sep 2014
    3:02pm
    power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely
    lasaboy
    25th Sep 2014
    3:04pm
    and there is always, always someone with their own agenda who thinks it's ok to walk on everyone else
    just have a good look at human history
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    6:48pm
    Walk right in !!
    Sit right down !!
    Help Yerself to My Scotch ??
    Everybody's talking bout a new way of walkin !!.
    Baby let Yer mind roll on !!
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    7:32pm
    lasaboy: And rules (laws) are made to be broken.
    Paddles
    26th Sep 2014
    3:08pm
    KSS

    You are right that only one person was charged as a result of the sweeping raids that took place last week but that is solely down to the ridiculous laws of evidence and the extraordinary lengths to which law enforcement bodies have to go to hold and charge a person.

    What it did do, however, was serve a powerful warning to many plotters that what they thought were their secret plans, were not so secret after all and, hopefully, they will bear that in mind for future planning.
    Anonymous
    27th Sep 2014
    3:23am
    Paddles

    RIDICULOUS LAWS of EVIDENCE….. my god… you are a FASCIST, it seems. OUR very DEMOCRACY is based on those laws of evidence. What the hell is wrong with you!

    WHEN Howard did this same thing, in order to get new laws introduced last time, those arrested and (finally) brought before the court, had to be let go because AFTER all those years, the secret police, ordinary police and political effort COULD NOT PRODUCE ANYTHING THAT EVEN RESEMBLED EVIDENCE! The prosecution was the ones that presented the case to the judge for acquittal.

    HOWEVER, thanks to YOUR effort of supporting OPPRESSION and FASCISM, EVIDENCE can now be MANUFACTURED. Definitely sounds like George Orwell's '1984', doesn't it!

    Thanks for that….. how bloody foolish you lot are.
    Paddles
    27th Sep 2014
    10:13pm
    Mussitate

    What you may label foolish, I prefer to label realistic in many cases. If you are as well informed as you try to project, then you would know that it is not enough to capture a crime on film in living colour because people like you and your effete set of parlour pinks will seek to discredit the evidence of one's eyes by calling into question how such film evidence was obtained.

    Our system of jurisprudence owes less to democracy than it does to the sheer inventiveness of lawyers bolstered by the weakness of the judiciary. I suspect that what really galls you (and people like you) is any attempt to portray matters in black and white whilst your camp followers are devoted to the many shades of grey (50 perhaps?).

    Your politically motivated rants, upper case notwithstanding, are a window into your mind and, believe me, the view is disturbing.
    Kato
    25th Sep 2014
    12:48pm
    'At this stage Anthony' has said nothing is absolute. so no need to worry.
    lasaboy
    25th Sep 2014
    3:06pm
    yes and just because smoke is billowing out of a building and the fire alarms are going, it does not mean it's is on fire
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    6:50pm
    Joe and his Pal having a Stogie ??
    Grumpy
    25th Sep 2014
    12:56pm
    To those who say the authorities should have whatever power they need to remove this cancer:
    what is the cancer you refer to? My guess is that you mean Islamic terrorists. If I am right you quite clearly do not regard members of the Australian Defence League threatening to rape and murder young Islamic women and cut their children's throats in front of them before doing so as terrorism. Nor do you regard murders and "executions" carried out by the institutional terrorists of the Israeli "intelligence" organisations outside their own jurisdiction as terrorism.
    No only any Islamic persons railing against the injustices perpetrated against them in their own countries by Westerners and their allies constitutes terrorism.
    Until such time as the West and the Islamic groups sit down together and the West begins to seriously address the grievances of Islamic people the terrorists on both sides will walk amongst us. The terrorists on both sides are only interested in the illegitimate power instilling fear of violence in peaceful people gives them. Terrorists have always been amongst us and they always will be. Only by decent people of all sides recognising terrorists for what they are, lawless bullies and thugs, and acting in concert to contain and restrain them will terrorism be halted. That requires tolerance and goodwill rather than the intolerance and division being sown by our leaders to maintain and strngthen their own hold on power.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    1:07pm
    I think Ill have a Double Brandy !!
    KSS
    25th Sep 2014
    1:08pm
    On this issue you are clearly in complete agreement with Greens Ms Milne. Whatever these people do, the West mustn't upset them and hurt their feelings. Lets all sit down with a nice cup of (mint) tea and a tim tam and sort things out right?

    Yes that will work. Tell that to the families of the two police officers (one of them AFP) who were knifed and stabbed when they tried to do exactly what you and Ms Milne are advocating.
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    3:00pm
    Grumpy: You are off the planet mate. I cannot accept that your post has any fact.
    lasaboy
    25th Sep 2014
    3:09pm
    the yanks did that with Japan during WWII, and it worked for them didn't it?
    OH wait no it didn't they lost thousands and a heap of ships in Pearl Harbour
    mangomick
    26th Sep 2014
    9:46am
    Yeah there wasn't too big an outcry when the aussie bloke was murdered when the french terrorist oh I mean the (french intelligence agency) attack was carried out on the rainbow warrior.
    Stoker
    25th Sep 2014
    12:59pm
    Wont worry me, I'm clean, and unless chatting with folk on this sector is naughty/bad then thats OK also. Just think they may even dredge up more of the union trash from the pits.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    2:02pm
    I think the Main Offendi are absent ?? So Far !!
    Grumpy
    25th Sep 2014
    1:07pm
    KSS of course I don't want decapitations of innocent people. However what you fail to see is that every time we change laws and derogate our democratic rights in response to some perceived threat we have just handed the terrorists a small victory. They have driven us to become more like them. Better to clean up any real threats quietly and deny the terrorists the oxygen of publicity they crave.
    In the current scenario the government line is that the terrorists are irrational and hate us because of what we are. That is arrant nonsense. They are rational and their strategy is to gain as much publicity for their cause as they can. They hate Australia because Australia has trenchantly declared war on them. Think about it. Someone declares war on you personally, how do you respond? Say "What a nice chap". I think not.
    KSS
    25th Sep 2014
    1:18pm
    They hate Australian's because they are not 'believers'. Else why are they also attacking Canada who have no military axe to grind?

    I do agree on the publicity angle though. BUT not so long ago people, yes even on this site, were complaining that the current Government were acting in secrecy and should be more open. Well now they are and there are complaints about feeding the media machine of the terrorists. We cannot have it both ways.
    dougie
    25th Sep 2014
    1:19pm
    Do you remember Britain and Chamberlain, best that we take action now and not suffer the problems associated with terrorism. Do you really think that all of the intelligence information gathered has been dispersed to the public. How much do you and I not know and should not know. Lets wake up and heed the advice and warnings given. In all fact the most at risk of danger are the politicians and their spouses and families. Even I may say the Christine Milnes etc of the Greens who seem to be against everything that the government says or does.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    1:23pm
    I Agree Dougie, They seem Shaken and we are Stirred ??
    ANONYMOUS
    25th Sep 2014
    1:14pm
    The Governments around the world have and do use any excuse to spy on its citizens ....... Just like all the levies and taxes - once passed through as law ............. we will have lost our freedom and pay for ever ........ ( just like we do with those temporary taxes and levies). I thought the whole reason for living in a democracy was that we had the right to chose ............ not no rights or be told we had to surrender our rights ever !!!!!!!!!!!!
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    1:20pm
    This Things gone Viral !! We have the Spy Barstards down on us in a Minute ??
    ANONYMOUS
    25th Sep 2014
    1:20pm
    Do your realise the first thing we are losing is the right to free speech ........... So sites like this will be shut down ............. the war on terror relies on fear ....... free speech and information and technology prevent that!!!!!!!!!!!! Just be careful what you are wishing for please.
    ray from Bondi
    25th Sep 2014
    1:22pm
    here here, I agree completely
    Adrianus
    25th Sep 2014
    2:53pm
    whoa people stop getting hysterical please. ANONYMOUS, judging by your name this topic is a little raw with you. I understand. We are all missing the point and flying off the handle thinking our civil liberties are getting a hedge trim. Not the case.
    You see when the spy agencies announce they will be spying on everyone trying to form an army for a jihad that means that they will not be able to, for fear of giving their game away. So by simply announcing the law change it reduces the terrorists ability to get organised quickly.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    6:02pm
    So they just sit around eating Goats Milk Cheese and Dates ??
    miss aisle
    25th Sep 2014
    11:02pm
    Anonymous - The new laws will be absolutely painless;
    Our freedom will be in tact - the same as now.
    This change is necessary to keep our freedom.
    Polly Esther
    25th Sep 2014
    1:33pm
    There is a solution to this, one which may set the minds of all the Mr Bean clones we apparently have in this country at ease. Take a leaf from the Greens and wander about aimlessly wringing your hands and hugging the trees, and all the nasties will go away.
    Or think, if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear. The truth will set you free.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    1:37pm
    Tip Toe ! Through the Tulips !!.. Shizen Housen !! I trod on a BEE !!..$%%#*&@^..& $%^#*@&$$
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    3:03pm
    The truth will set you free.....unless you live in fairy land, in which case you have arrived at a fool's paradise.
    Actually THE FACTS will set you free. And there you have the "truth".
    Happy hunting.
    Kopernicus
    25th Sep 2014
    3:08pm
    Like the 'Terror doodler' guy who was reported by the guy next to him for a sketched drawing containing the words 'terror is made up' while waiting to board. He was tossed off the plane without reference to his drawing, despite full explanation - apparently a claim by anyone suffices. The cops didn't bother either. He missed his flight, Tiger refused a refund.
    You do not seem to value your freedom and lawful democratic rights and you may consider that these changes will never affect your suburban existence. This minor story shows that innocuous action may have ugly interpretations. The onus of proof will be reversed, you could be kept incommunicado for ever, media cannot report it nor can any other person or risk joining you. We already have pretty strong laws, why give more freedom up?

    As Joni Mitchell sang.
    You don't know what you've got, Till it's gone
    geomac
    25th Sep 2014
    2:07pm
    I am confidant that Pyne , Abbott , Brough , Abetz ( Greche ) and the like would not use data for anything to damage a persons reputation. Yeah and I am sure despite numerous bungles and farcical ASIO exerecises that we can have full trust in the authorities. The raids and the rest did not have new powers or need them to conduct the raids. Where is the evidence that even more are needed ?
    PlanB
    25th Sep 2014
    2:46pm
    It makes me see red when people say --"If you have nothing to hide why worry"
    Well I have nothing to hide but can't these sheeple see that each time this happens a little bit more of your privacy goes bit by bit.
    It really is like "Orwell's 1984" It really is becoming fascism.
    I have nothing to hide at home either but I wouldn't like people to come in and invade my privacy / go though my things/and stand and watch me shower, same thing in a bigger way that ASIO is now able to do.
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    3:07pm
    I feel the same way. Sadly, like a lobster being slowly cooked, people do not feel the temperature rising. Whilst we all want to be safe we do not want to be rules by big brother.
    I wonder if guns had not been outlawed if things might have been different. No easy answer either way.
    Grateful
    25th Sep 2014
    3:11pm
    That's why we want the insane jihadists eliminated ASAP and if our intelligence agencies need more power, give it to them. Privacy be buggered. A very small sacrifice for very large mercies.
    Can also let Tony say that he has actually DONE something.
    Kopernicus
    25th Sep 2014
    3:12pm
    Mick, the most insidious aspect is that the affect and impact of the laws can be unreportable in many instances. We may be largely if not totally kept in the dark as to the actual degree these laws are having a negative impact on many people. Think 1984 on ice.
    lasaboy
    25th Sep 2014
    3:13pm
    But I am still glad guns have been outlawed
    PlanB
    25th Sep 2014
    3:18pm
    Oh yes the Guns, that too was another step, but the criminals still have them !
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    7:35pm
    Kopernicus: Like you I also do not truet the bastards. No sain person would given the history of the political establishment in recent years.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    7:45pm
    He's been like that ever since someone Smeared Jam on His Bicycle Seat !!
    lasaboy
    25th Sep 2014
    2:53pm
    and right there Mick has nailed it
    Abby
    25th Sep 2014
    3:05pm
    It would seem to me that our security is protected by ASIO and if they require a law amendment as such they should have it at this stage especially seeing some laws they are currently using are due to expire.
    From what I read on this thread people are trying to make the Government responsible for the changes when they are thankfully rubber stamping with the Liberals and Labor being in agreement which is a new one for the cards.
    It is no good to have a dog and barking too.
    Kopernicus
    25th Sep 2014
    3:23pm
    Ask a surgeon, he/she will say - operate. Ask any security agency, they will say yes to more power, every time. They should not be given a blank cheque. Laws imposed a few years ago are quite strict and some only used recently and have been questioned by many. Now these will be overtaken by more far reaching versions with hellish complexity. There should be prolonged,open and incisive debate including a clear statement as to why they are needed and why current laws won't serve. And a grandfather clause (sorry ladies)
    HOLA
    25th Sep 2014
    3:24pm
    Saw that show on SBS Wednesday night - Living With the Enemy. It shows an Australian man
    who was born in Bankstown, has offered to stay with the Muslim family to get an idea of how Muslims live., but hates to see how Bankstown has turned into a place with so
    many Muslims. The man and wife were a decent couple, she being a Australian girl, who went to a Catholic school and had converted to Muslim and married a Muslim man. She said her father was very upset she had chosen to do so.
    All she did was defend the Muslim faith and never once said she was a proud Australian. It makes me wonder if she was that sincere . It showed her and her husband going to Manly Beach and the husband riding a surfboard. She had on the Muslim swimmers and head covered and had the gall to wrap herself in a towel which displayed the Australian flag, now that to me was offensive. She was trying to make out she had nothing against the Australian Flag. In the end the show had nothing to offer as the Australian man refused to take part in any more of the show. Did anyone else see it?. I would like to hear of their comments.
    miss aisle
    25th Sep 2014
    6:41pm
    Yes I did. I also found the Australian flag towel, offensive. Ben, the Australian, wanted to stop the show early as he thought "I am a typical Aussie, but this muslim couple is not typical" (as they're putting their best foot forward because of the
    show.) Ben was offended right at the start as he offered the woman a hand of
    friendship & she refused to shake it. I felt that when they are asked questions,
    they seem to answer in non-stop babble, as if, the more they say, the quicker the
    non-muslim will see their point of view.
    Ben was deeply upset that 1 in 3 people in Bankstown now, are muslim & that it
    probably won't stop there. He felt a sense of loss, felt like a stranger in his home town. It wouldn't happen in muslim town as they wouldn't allow it!
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    7:41pm
    I grew up in the Bankstown area 50 years ago. Whilst there were already Lebanese folk living in th earea they were ok and genrally behaved. But even at that time these people had a coloured reputation. Being a youth at that time I did not give it a second thought.
    I'd hate to go back to the area. When I heard years ago that the playing of Christmas music had been banned at Bankstown Square, as it was then called, I made a conscious decision that it was not a place worth visiting again.
    Maybe my decision is correct. I heard the other night that a trucking contractor had (again) been busted for dumping asbestos....his 80th offence. It paints a picture.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    7:56pm
    Yes !!! But He does have a little Respect !! He never dumps it in Bankstown !!
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    9:00pm
    That's because there is no bush left and because he is frightened of the locals...who own guns. Not in my backyard particolor? I wonder.
    Adrianus
    26th Sep 2014
    8:43am
    Now the truth comes out mick! You grew up listening in on Paul Keating's meetings down at the local pub? I was in Sydney one Christmas Eve and it looked like all of Bankstown moved to George St.
    Census figures indicate only 360,000 Muslims in Australia, so they must move around in very large groups? My local mosque is having an open day to show locals they are no threat to the community. I'm thinking of going along? I normally only go to a church for funerals or weddings but I'm always open to new experiences.
    Mar
    25th Sep 2014
    3:34pm
    The use of violence and intimidation by any form should never be allowed. I always thought that social media was meant to be just that, SOCIABLE. Intimidation, violence, is not sociable, does not encourage a sense of good community, so I have no qualms in supporting legislation which makes it unacceptable. If that means surveillance of the internet, then so be it.
    Anonymous
    25th Sep 2014
    3:53pm
    Agree with you Mar. I could not care less if anyone wanted to watch which web sites I visited. They would be bored out of their minds.
    Grumpy
    25th Sep 2014
    3:45pm
    People, my reply to your responses on my posts:
    KSS Is it that you cannot see, or that you do not want to see. Head on confrontation to beat the **ap out of Islamists in Iraq and Afghanistan achieved what? 10 year of warfare, many good Australians left dead in those countries, our national wealth bled out by the cost of that effort. Did it stop the Islamists? No. The only way to beat those b**tards is to attack their money trail until it dries up; attack their arms supply chain until it dries up. You only do this by careful background "police' work and quietly surprising them and rolling up their logistical infastructure.. But to be effective you need to cooperate with the moderate Muslims, not brand all Muslims terrorists i.e. the terrorists must be financially, politically and materially isolated first. Then they will be seen by any radical idealists as the thugs and butchers they are. This is not done overnight. It is the work of years, not weeks. Any other strategy simply lops off the head, and another one springs up to replace it.
    mick: I'm not sure whether it is the reference to the threats against Young Islamic women, or the institutionalised terrorism of Israel on which you are querying my facts. So; threats agains young Islamic women; there were two examples on Q&A on Monday night. In one case the young woman has taken her complaint to the Police repeatedly (as the threats continue, particularly in social media). The Police have consistently done nothing about her complaints. A second young women said her experience was similar.
    Israel; You don't remember the incident in India when Israeli agents murdered a person who was allegedly a Palestinian terrorist. They did so using fake Australian passports in an Indian hotel. Also if you do any research you will find that Israel which very quickly complains bitterly about breaches of UN resolutions by Palestinians in fact breaches UN resolution about 5 times as frequently as the Palestinians. Your disbelief of my comments is a solid testament to the effectiveness of Israeli PR management. The most credible source of information I found on the Israel/Palestine question was in fact the web site of the US Baptist (or Methodist) Church (Its been a while since I last looked and the memory has dimmed.)
    lasboy: See earlier comments on Iraq/Afghanistan. Let us not forget that the Middle East became vastly more unstable as the result of George W Bush employing exactly the strategy you are espousing. It worked so well and completely eliminated the problem didn't it?
    Sorry gents. To deal with these people long term we require a great deal more subtlety and patience. The head on assault has repeatedly proven ineffective and costly both in human and material resources.
    Grumpy
    25th Sep 2014
    3:58pm
    KSS your last comment about they hate us because we don't share their beliefs. Proof of this is the threat to Canada. Thank you. You have just proven my case. Canada has signed up to the US led coalition to blast IS out of existence.
    The IS response is what any politician would instinctively do when threatened. Obama tried to take the more measured approach and deny IS its new cartload of martyrs. He has been rolled by the US populace into the same but equal and opposite response to that of the IS.
    niemakawa
    25th Sep 2014
    4:03pm
    Many posting on this forum including myself can expect a knock on the door in the middle of the night in the not too distant future. OMG!!!
    Anonymous
    25th Sep 2014
    4:39pm
    Hope they give people time to put in their dentures!
    Kato
    25th Sep 2014
    5:16pm
    They wont need to. The dentures will be bugged.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    5:31pm
    They Don't Knock !!
    niemakawa
    25th Sep 2014
    5:32pm
    But I maybe knocking.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    5:56pm
    Your always Knocking !!
    Hawkeye
    25th Sep 2014
    4:40pm
    I have just returned from a couple of weeks on a yank cruise ship, and watching the Fox (Murdoch) news channel has given me a pretty good insight on the way yanks think.
    After the beheading of one yank, they are forming a movement with the catch-cry of "CONVERT OR BE KILLED" (That is "Convert to christianity or be killed")
    This is being backed by many prominent yanks, including politicians and military leaders.
    They just can't see that this is exactly the same as terrorism.
    niemakawa
    25th Sep 2014
    4:47pm
    It is the way of the Lord.
    Adrianus
    26th Sep 2014
    8:05am
    Good spotting there Hawkeye!
    If you want a ruling on that it will need to pass through the PC Committee standards test for racial or any other discrimination, a Union steering committee for OWHS issues, the Government will of course want to debate this activity to see if there is any way it can be taxed. The Supreme court will in the end have a determination in a few short years. In the meantime gather any evidence which may prejudice opinion.
    In Australia we do things differently. If it walks like a duck........
    Naturally we need an adult government to make this happen.
    Jurassicgeek
    25th Sep 2014
    4:43pm
    "if you have done nothing wrong ..you have nothing to be afraid of".......famous last words..
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    7:42pm
    And the strong will conquer the weak.
    Adrianus
    26th Sep 2014
    11:08am
    What was James Foley's crime?
    CindyLou
    25th Sep 2014
    4:49pm
    Difficult times call for tough measures...I have no problems with government officials looking at my emails or Internet usage.
    Anonymous
    25th Sep 2014
    4:58pm
    Same here, EXCEPT when they are looking into my Tax affairs.
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    7:43pm
    Maybe make the changes a 'temporary measure'. Ok....tax was a temporary measure too, so maybe not.
    jyndel
    25th Sep 2014
    5:18pm
    If you have not done or are not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear or worry about these changes
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    5:48pm
    You wont even be allowed to have a Funny Look on Your face !!
    niemakawa
    25th Sep 2014
    5:50pm
    "It's just another manic Monday that's my fun day...."
    Adrianus
    27th Sep 2014
    10:00am
    If you look too happy there will be drug tests!
    particolor
    27th Sep 2014
    11:25am
    Performed right before Your very eyes by a Trained Gorillas !!
    Hillbillypete
    25th Sep 2014
    6:14pm
    There is a EASY way to see if they are watching you, just say I AM GOING TO CUT OFF Somebody's HEAD Tomorrow!
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    6:19pm
    CRIPES !!
    John the Baptist just Fled !!
    niemakawa
    25th Sep 2014
    6:48pm
    You will have a head start.
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    7:13pm
    ? I got a letter to go and see the Headmaster >> I'm not going !!
    niemakawa
    25th Sep 2014
    7:14pm
    What you don't want to be spanked!
    particolor
    25th Sep 2014
    7:18pm
    No it bruises Your Date !!
    MICK
    25th Sep 2014
    7:44pm
    You are getting a head of yourself son.

    25th Sep 2014
    10:07pm
    FASCISM…..OPPRESSION…..FASCISM…..OPPRESSION.

    End of story!

    WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM!

    You are all so ready to allow POLITICIANS decide WHAT you can or cannot do!

    I am DISGUSTED WITH the statement…. IF YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR…..BALDERDASH!

    Once this information is allowed to be accepted in digital form….anything can be altered or added to WITHOUT detection. One of the States (Vic or NSW) are enacting laws that actually state that information obtained by 'suits in the shadows' can be ALTERED or ADDED to with IMPUNITY.

    These OPPRESSIVE LAWS allow, right now, for the government and 'suits in the shadows' to remove you from the streets IF you should raise your voice against ANYTHING that the government/corporations are doing…. the new laws, make this ABSOLUTE.

    This utter CRAP that this sort of thing is acceptable is beyond me…. it is OPPRESSION, you know, the OPPOSITE to DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM.

    It would be AMUSING, if it was not so downright EVIL, that the right wing on here that talk of DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM in Western Countries and OPPRESSION of the people in State Communist countries, are the LOUDEST to proclaim their support for MORE OPPRESSIVE LAWS.

    HOW bloody well INDOCTRINATED are you lot of *888@@@#$%$#@#@…….. GO ON KEEP SUCKING UP the PROPAGANDA and destroy your Western Democracy and Freedom and turn your country into an OPPRESSIVE REGIME.

    Use your brains for F*****s sake!

    Quote from BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both"
    Young Simmo
    26th Sep 2014
    12:22am
    I haven't got a problem with this, but unlike a few commenters in here I haven't got anything to hide. To the people who have a problem with this new rule I have a simple question.
    If your father or son was publicly beheaded, would you change your thoughts then?
    geomac
    26th Sep 2014
    7:32am
    So wives and daughters don,t matter ?
    PlanB
    26th Sep 2014
    7:44am
    Simmo, I guess you don't have curtains or doors at your place or if you do have doors do you not have locks? Do you also garden etc in the nude / ? Or do you like some privacy ?
    Because with these NEW ASIO rules we don't have ANY AT ALL
    Adrianus
    26th Sep 2014
    8:16am
    Frankly, I fail to see how Young Simmo gardening in the nude has anything to do with anti-terrorism laws. He can do what he likes and nobody is going to worry. Law enforcement agencies are very good at profiling and don't waste time looking at irrelevant stuff.
    miss aisle
    26th Sep 2014
    8:36am
    Young Simmo - I don't think some are able to reason sensibly - it's all a frenzy of
    emotions !

    Frank - Common sense prevails after reading your comment.
    Young Simmo
    26th Sep 2014
    11:22am
    geomac, so far it has only been males that have been beheaded. It wasn't me that said Wives and Daughters don't matter, it was you.
    Try lifting the apostrophe.

    Plan B read it again, " I don't have anything to hide ".

    Frank, SPOT ON.
    Pass the Ductape
    26th Sep 2014
    4:50pm
    Young Simmo gardening in the nude? Holy mackerel - poor old simmo! His feet wouldn't touch the ground once the anti-terror squad got hold of that little piece of info!
    Young Simmo
    26th Sep 2014
    5:03pm
    Ductape you didn't get that quiet right, it should be gardening in the nude with a can of VB in one hand, and a photo of Jennifer Hawkins in the other hand. That gives me somewhere to hang the watering can.
    Anonymous
    26th Sep 2014
    10:54pm
    Young Simmo

    If your family, extended family and your country was BLOWN to pieces, just so the USA can steal OIL, what would YOU do. Run and hide in the Australian desert probably.

    During the time that the journalist was taken and beheaded… Saudi Arabia (a brutal dictatorship) had beheaded 113 of is citizens.

    Remember that if the USA did not mass murder middle eastern innocent civilians in the hundreds of thousands, none of this would occur…

    Additionally, MOST of the 'so called' terrorist attacks and identified terrorists found in Australia have been FIRFIES that have NOT stood up in a court of law…. even a little bit! The prosecution were even the ones to suggest to the judge that all charges be dropped through lack of any form of valid evidence. With these new laws that will change because 'evidence' can now be INVENTED.

    This is a little SCENARIO:

    -The Communists weren't worried when the Gypsies were taken away… because the Communists they were good citizens and had done nothing wrong, so did nothing;
    -The Jews weren't worried when the Communists were taken away… because the Jews were good citizens and had done nothing wrong, so did nothing;
    -The disabled and homosexuals weren't worried when the Jews were taken away… because the disabled and homosexuals were good citizens and had done nothing wrong, so did nothing;

    Are YOU in a group that may represent a threat…. no matter that you are a good citizen and have done nothing wrong.

    I would say that it will start with the PERSECUTION of ALL MUSLIMS in Australia…. that is already happening UNDER ABBOTT (and his Liberal predecessor - Howard, who incited Australia's first racial riots).

    Everyone will remain silent…

    Then the next group may be those calling for EQUITY and ACCOUNTABILITY of governments.

    Everyone will remain silent…

    ETC…ETC….

    Don't think it won't happen…. you may NOT know about it…. it will simply NOT be reported in the CONTROLLED MEDIA... OR the group will be VILIFIED, as is currently happening to the MUSLIM COMMUNITY and racial hatred infused into the society and this society WILL ACTIVELY call for their PERSECUTION and PROSECUTION.

    HELL…. WE ARE HALF WAY THERE ALREADY… LISTEN TO ALL THE RACIAL SPEWING ON THIS FORUM…. SICKENING!
    Young Simmo
    26th Sep 2014
    11:03pm
    Mussitate, the fact that you need a Million words to make a comment tells everybody that you don't have an ounce of confidence in the dribble you spread over these pages. Try using half a million words and maybe some body might take some notice.
    I stand by everything I have said so far.
    OK, sock it to me.
    Anonymous
    26th Sep 2014
    11:36pm
    Dear old, droopy Simmo,

    I do understand! You are totally incapable of taking in any thing intelligent, particularly if it is in excess of two sentences.

    If you are still with me (I HAVE exceeded two sentences)…… all I can say is that RACISM, OPPRESSION and FASCISM is a colour that suits you well.

    Me, well I prefer…. CO-EXISTENCE, FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY… which is multi coloured and extremely awesome.
    Young Simmo
    26th Sep 2014
    11:44pm
    WOW Mussifantasy used less than a million words, I am on a winner.
    Now to get him down from 800,000 words to maybe 200 words, and people might take him / her / it seriously.
    Signed.......droopy
    PlanB
    26th Sep 2014
    6:53am
    Oh Muss how right you are! This BS makes me as mad as you, also that the "sheeple" accept this crab. Can't these fools see what is happening! It is



    Problem Reaction Solution (Latin: Ordo ab Chao) is a mass mind control system. It is used to make changes to the law that the citizens would not accept otherwise.




    Create a problem
    Terrorism, financial crisis, etc.
    Manufacture a reaction
    Let the mainstream media only broadcast/print the side of the problem you want to show
    Provide a solution
    wars, corporate tax-cuts, welfare budget cuts, etc.

    The latin phrase Ordo ab Chao literally means Order out of Chaos and is the moto of Thirty-third Degree Freemasons.
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    7:43am
    One of the First things I ever learned was that WATER and OIL never Mix !!
    You can live without OIL, but You cant live without WATER !!..
    WATER was doing fine in Australia until !!
    Our Federal Governments in all their Wisdom !!
    Decided to Import some OIL from the Middle East !!
    OIL didn't mix ??
    And now OIL decides it wants to sit on top of WATER !!
    Politicians caused this Mess!! So dock their Pays to clean up the Shemozzle !!
    And pay for the Extra Security Needed !!
    Adrianus
    26th Sep 2014
    8:25am
    Mass mind control is getting to you particolor. This is why Tony Abbott is talking slowly and only using 3 words at a time. What happened to...."when I say the magic word you will wake up?" It is now 3 magic words for the deeply effected.
    miss aisle
    26th Sep 2014
    8:40am
    particolor - I'm impressed !
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    8:46am
    You couldn't be Further from the Truth !! I never listen to SQUAKING GALAHS !!..
    miss aisle
    26th Sep 2014
    9:31am
    Back to your old self, particolor !
    Love them or hate them, Govts. are a necessary evil.
    You can have Rudd, with charisma & very little expertise OR
    Abbott with expertise & very little charisma.
    Grateful
    26th Sep 2014
    9:34am
    Frank. Tony Abbott is talking slowly as he wants to stretch this out for another 2 years until the next election. Amazing how his "popularity" rose as soon as we had international disasters and tragedies and that he no longer had to talk about THAT budget that was in CRISIS!!!!
    Stopped the boats, Ended the carbon tax, Removed the Mining tax, where is one positive action that he has done in over 12 months? And Hockey is still blaming the former government about the Budget blow out that HE has caused??
    Adrianus
    26th Sep 2014
    9:35am
    HA HA HA, I know, he he he.
    Anonymous
    26th Sep 2014
    11:14pm
    particolor

    I do believe that you were saying that Australia shouldn't have allowed immigration of middle eastern heritage because they don't MIX with the heritage we have here.

    I sincerely hope that I have read that WRONGLY because most of the time I enjoy your comments, although I don't always agree. Accept my apologies IF I am wrong.

    Aborigines thought the same about ENGLISH INVASION of THEIR country. Since this time white Australians have been RACIST towards ANY group that has come to Australia.. the Chinese (gold rush times), the Italians, the Greeks, the Vietnamese, and now the whole of the middle east are racially VILIFIED, IF they are MUSLIM but it appears OKAY if they are CHRISTIANS.

    ALL these nationalities have been accused of NOT fitting in and congregating together instead of 'assimilating' within the Australian community. The funny thing is, IF we were NOT so racist, they would not feel the need to cling to each other for security and their KIDS (in particular) would 'assimilate' (hate that term) a lot, lot quicker.

    The days of ENGLISH dominance has long passed and to have ENGLISH people IMMIGRATE to AUSTRALIA and then start SPEWING RACIAL HATRED about others coming to this country is downright SICKENING.
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    11:46pm
    Not at all !! I don't care who comes here as long as they behave themselves !! But it seems they took their eye off the ball for a while there ? And let in Radicals, lots of them !!. With no intention of settling in to the Australian way of life ! Their intention is to change the place to Their ways !!
    Flindersbar
    26th Sep 2014
    9:07am
    Yes please keep an eye on me .I sometimes forget to bring in the cat.....Uh I don't own a cat
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    9:35am
    Our Government's bought in plenty for You !!..Just be careful they don't Shred Your Settee for You !!
    fedup
    26th Sep 2014
    10:48am
    Great idea, if you have nothing to hide why should you worry !!!!
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    11:00am
    There is Nowhere to Hide Now ?? I think I'll Worry instead ??
    pdm
    26th Sep 2014
    3:07pm
    Back to the original question: Are these new laws necessary? What is inadequate about the laws we currently have? What is it that the security forces want to be able to do that they can't do under the current system? And how will this permission actually result in a safer community? So far as I can see, the actions of the past week have only succeeded in creating fear, confusion and anger.
    It has already been reported that governments worldwide have been quietly looking in on the internet behind our backs. So what's new? Many young people today have no qualms about baring everything on the net, taking pride in the celebrity and 'friends' it brings them. They may have read Orwell's 1984 in school, but the truth of that won't upset their entertainment. But how would all of that change if the laws we trust in to 'protect our privacy' were to be erased? We would then be living in a fascist state, and there is plenty of history we can read about to tell us what that would be like (Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia or Argentina under the Colonels, for example). It's not the society I want to live in. It's not the one I pledged to honour when I became an Australian citizen. By all means (legal) round up the 'terrorists' and any other lawbreakers, subject them to the letter of the law, but don't give people who already wield huge authority carte blanche to do whatever they want.
    Anonymous
    26th Sep 2014
    11:23pm
    pdm

    You sound way too intelligent for this site…. stopped me in my tracks when I read your well reasoned and informative comment. Thank you, that was enjoyable.
    Pass the Ductape
    26th Sep 2014
    4:41pm
    OH NO particolor! Not vegemite! My God - don't you know vegemite is halal certified? The big boys will be knocking on your door soon, that's for sure!
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    6:19pm
    I never Knew that ?? I wont touch it again until they put the Crusader Red Cross on it !!.. OR change to Dicky Mite !!
    Not Senile Yet!
    26th Sep 2014
    5:24pm
    Goof old Tony ...up to his usual political tricks...give them something to distract from the un-popular Budget cuts...then they will forget about them.......scare the hell out of them ...distract them from what we are actually doing......then we will roll out the bigger cuts!
    Yeah Yeah.....be afraid be afraid......argue about terrorism laws....divide and conquer.....would be good if we can get asio to do whatever we want whenever we want in secret.....not answer to anyone......you know...official secrets.....And if it works....yahoo!
    What a bunch of Wanks on here just do not get......it is deliberate distraction to win back votes aallaaa "I will stop the Boats!".....worked...you all voted the lHorror and his Party IN!!!
    Why wouldn't he use the same tactic....."I will protect you from the Terrorists by allowing ASIO more powers......laa dee dahh!
    Come on step right up...who will be a sucker...step right up...vent your racist venim...state how angry you are!!!!

    BAAAAAHH!!! BAAAHH! Sheepy Sheepies....the fox has you numnuts not only bleat Bleating but also distracted!
    And for what purpose I ask?
    The Government is broke....Budgets not balancing.....cuts to all Pensions etc etc....meanwhile they want to sent aid and troops into another Yankee War!
    Wakie Wakie......most Muslims here in Oz came to escape the radicals in their country.....Wakie Wakie....Bulldust Storm if ever their was one! Straight from the smallest political bullshit artist himself......the one with so much credibility.....we will not touch the Super....We will not increase tax...We will not make radical changes....la la la de da!!! All lies, Lies, and more Lies!
    More people required to Spy on the Internet communication of Oz citizens.....or are they going to outsource that to China as well???
    Maybe he intends to make the people who have to work for the Dole do the spying....cheap labor!!!
    Wake up all you Bleating Sheep.......Tony is doing what he does best......distracting you from what his real intentions are!!!
    Time you all wised up!!!
    Never give either party the Majority in the Senate......who you vote in is irrelevant....it is all about who you put in the Senate!!!
    Make them earn their money...make them negotiate their changes with people who cannot afford to upset you.......FILL the Senate with Independants...the more the better!!!
    That way NEITHER PARTY can remove your rights or your Freedoms WTHOU A FIGHT!
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    6:26pm
    Now I Need a Double Whiskey !!..
    Anonymous
    26th Sep 2014
    11:25pm
    BLOODY WELL SAID, Not Senile Yet! Loved it.

    Take that you old droop, Simmo!!!
    Young Simmo
    26th Sep 2014
    11:37pm
    Hello, I touched a nerve with MussiforgotwhereIam, that makes my Friday Night, Yeeeeeee, Haaaaaaa.

    I just love being the WINNER.
    Anonymous
    26th Sep 2014
    11:58pm
    Nah! Got to have a laugh every now and again and you are something to laugh at, old son.
    Young Simmo
    27th Sep 2014
    12:02am
    Cheers mate, a bit of fun in here makes up for that thing they call, "LACK OF NOOKY".
    I'm off to the COT.
    Young Simmo
    26th Sep 2014
    6:25pm
    Come on you lot, we need a few contributions in here, let's GO.

    http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/news/how-to-save-on-shopping
    particolor
    26th Sep 2014
    6:27pm
    Shop Lift !!
    Anonymous
    26th Sep 2014
    11:15pm
    particolor

    That gave me a laugh
    Young Simmo
    26th Sep 2014
    11:19pm
    particolor, I thought you were around the same vintage as I, but if you can lift a shop, I am obviously wrong.

    26th Sep 2014
    11:46pm
    IF you agree with these new laws, then I can only say that RACISM, OPPRESSION and FASCISM is a colour that suits you well.

    Me, well I prefer…. CO-EXISTENCE, FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY… which is multi coloured and extremely awesome.

    A QUESTION: WHY are you wallowing in Abbott's extreme fascist (faked) PROPAGANDA and gleefully allowing this FOOL to throw away this countries FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY for OPPRESSION and FASCISM…. WHY?

    HERE is a link which shows what an American site thinks of Australia and Abbott (copy and paste to your browser):

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-25/australia-unleashes-draconian-new-anti-terror-law-orwellian-orgy-baseless-fear-monge

    This is the HEADING if you can't be bothered:

    "Australia Unleashes Draconian New Anti-Terror Law In Orwellian Orgy Of Baseless Fear-Mongering"
    particolor
    27th Sep 2014
    12:13am
    I said that Ages ago that He was a Fruit Loop !! Tell the Country to Tighten their belts to fix the Black Hole in the economy, Then turn around and Give Themselves a Massive Pay Rise !! And now he wants to swap Democracy for Fascism ?? Because he got the Jungle in an Uproar !!
    Young Simmo
    27th Sep 2014
    12:26am
    particolor, it's only 10.24 pm over here but, I think you should go to bed or you will be late tomorrow, and there will be many Millions of Mussi's words to read.
    particolor
    27th Sep 2014
    12:34am
    I'm not tired and its only 12.30 am.. I'm off Garage Sailing at 7am !! Freedom of Speech is being Enjoyed by Mussi while its still free ! There will be GST on it soon !!.
    Now is that Chook Cooked or Still Clucking ??
    Young Simmo
    27th Sep 2014
    12:45am
    Give ya a tip for the garage sale. I buy a swag of wrist watches from Hong Kong for $3 to $5 then make up a sign selling them in big letters for $25. Then on the day, I scribble out the $25 with a biro and make them $20, all written in biro. Some people buy 2 and 3 or 4, depending on how many Grand Kids they have.
    Happy selling.
    Anonymous
    27th Sep 2014
    2:42am
    Thats freedom for you SImmo. Freddom to fleece others.
    What about the freedom to shoot to kill Tianenmen square protestors
    Feedom to sent dissidents to the salt mines of Siberia.
    Those who love the freedoms of Russia and China should go live there
    Anonymous
    27th Sep 2014
    3:53am
    Solomon

    No different to US police shooting and killing Vietnam protestors or experimenting on black people or spraying MACE down a PEACEFUL Wall Street protestors throat which by the way is lethal or TORTURING people and calling it 'enhanced interrogation' and then creating a complete complex in Guantanamo Bay, for the sole purpose of TORTURING people.

    Yeah… I see what you mean…. when you talk of Freedom in the USA… Freedom for Govt/Corporate Rulers to do what they damn well want to the people of America.

    27th Sep 2014
    1:13am
    I work very hard to make my views clear and loud on public internet - for the simple reason that I am aware that governments ALREADY (and politician's flunkeys) take a look at whatever they want anyway. I am more than happy for ASIO, who once interviewed me for a job, to see my views. They are always welcome to disagree on fact, and if they were wise they'd put me on the payroll.

    You will know, should I suddenly be a Night and Fog Desaparecidos, that there is something to fear from all this, but in the mean time, let them catch any twits with bad ideas.

    Historical footnote:- Now you understand why Pauline Hanson wrapped herself in The Flag and said there was a chance she could be assassinated... she was right .. but the assassination took place in a different way... there are many ways, and character assassination works best and offers the least vulnerability to the assassin.

    27th Sep 2014
    2:38am
    Even the greatest countries on earth - USA and Israel, have had to RELUCTANTLY introduce laws that impinge a littleon its citizens for the sake of National Security.

    Hats off to Tony and his team for making these difficult decisions

    Sign of a LEADER not a WUSS
    Anonymous
    27th Sep 2014
    3:45am
    Solomon

    Sick, is all I have to say, SICK!

    You are actively proclaiming FASCISM over DEMOCRACY and OPPRESSION over FREEDOM…. what happened to the "land of the free", you keep sprouting off about.

    What the hell is wrong with you and others like you…. that SICK mentally that you bend over when ever your asked to…. you accept and even encourage both your own country and other countries to OPPRESS their citizens and THROW AWAY their democratic freedom.

    Even, countries that have had their citizens slaughtered by the USA (Iraq 650,000 innocent civilians), have more Freedom and Democracy than the USA, who virtually have not been touched by such tragedies…. ditto Australia. The Govt/Corporate Rulers of the USA have been so very greedy that they have destroyed the economy and well being of the nation…. these same greedy parasites refuse to infuse some of their wealth back into the system to rejuvenate it BUT are terrified of the 'people' who ALL have weapons/guns. THAT is WHY they are removing the peoples democratic rights and putting oppressive laws in place, removing habeas corpus, and throwing out their 'rule of law'.

    It has NOTHING to do with TERRORISM, it is merely to maintain control of the MASSES!

    The USA has a wonderful constitution which makes things difficult for the Govt/Corporate Rulers to OPPRESS the PEOPLE, so it is slower and less restrictive.

    HOWEVER, all you Australians, WE DO NOT have a wonderful CONSTITUTION like the USA, so our Govt/Corporate Rulers can do what they damn well like. THINK…. The only real worry to the Govt/Corporate Rulers is PUBLIC OPINION and what better way to deal with that…. OPPRESS them and take away all their democratic rights…. easy.

    AND here you are Solomon….. telling AUSTRALIANS what to do and how to do it….. you are pushing FOREIGN FASCIST OPPRESSION as a good thing…. what are you… a NAZI extremist?
    Anonymous
    27th Sep 2014
    6:15am
    Don't be disgusting Mussi.
    Israel and the USA will ensure that there will never be a Nazi regime on the fave of this earth ever .
    Thank God for Israel and the USA.
    We keep you safe under Enormous cost to is.
    Be grateful . If you believe in socialism, go live in Russia or China.
    Anyway good nite. I'm off to bed
    particolor
    27th Sep 2014
    8:15am
    Now Now Children !! Be Nice to each other !! Put Your toys back in the Toy Box and wash Your hands for Breakfast !!
    miss aisle
    27th Sep 2014
    8:36am
    Well said, Solomon. If I was as angry, outraged, scared as Muss., I would simply
    pack my bags, go somewhere else & be happy, before my heart was attacked by
    itself !
    Adrianus
    27th Sep 2014
    9:51am
    Mussitate, there must be something you like?
    particolor
    27th Sep 2014
    11:17am
    Yep !! Old Dogs and Children and Watermelon Wine !!
    miss aisle
    27th Sep 2014
    2:26pm
    Mussit, - If you are so outraged with these minor changes, can you imagine
    how outraged WE are, at the prospect of the threat of the totally dominating
    sharia law?
    Do you ever look at both sides?
    Most of us agree with the changes to the law, & Tony Abbott may well
    introduce more in the future.
    If it saves lives & keeps our culture the way it is, it's worth it.
    Twila
    28th Sep 2014
    12:35am
    Mussitate,

    If what you say is correct, why haven't you been picked up by security? You seem to exercise your freedom of speech without hindrance. In fact, you exercise it compulsively and ad nauseam. It flows like a great river from you ..

    If you were in another country, and made the same accusations against the government, you could well have disappeared.
    Young Simmo
    28th Sep 2014
    12:48am
    Twila, MussimustrememberwhoIam, (Wow what a long name), has a small problem.
    He is a Jackie Lambie Lover. That means, YES TODAY, AND NO TOMORROW.
    To sum it up, I think he loves Tony Abbot. At least that is how he comes over to most people on here.
    If you have the time to read his 10 million words on here, you will find him a very likeable young lad.
    At least that is my assessment, and I must admit I was wrong once back in 1960, so I am not perfect, just almost.
    particolor
    28th Sep 2014
    8:13am
    Almost is not Good Enough !! We only tolerate Excellence at this Fee Free College!!
    You could get a Good Cigar for a Shilling back in 1960 !!
    particolor
    28th Sep 2014
    8:15am
    PS.. Is the Sun Up there yet ??
    miss aisle
    28th Sep 2014
    8:19am
    He seems a very angry young lad ! That much Anger means he's scared.
    particolor
    28th Sep 2014
    8:39am
    Not quiet to the point of Baking in His Shoots yet ! But He is working on it !!
    Young Simmo
    28th Sep 2014
    3:40pm
    You are half right miss aisle. I am not angry, but have been a young lad since 1940 and getting younger......... Watch out.
    particolor
    28th Sep 2014
    4:04pm
    Simmo.. I think She is talking about Mussi not You ??
    Stay Young ....
    miss aisle
    28th Sep 2014
    6:03pm
    Definitely right, particolor.
    I'm going throught my 2nd childhood too, Simmo !
    phaxer
    28th Sep 2014
    1:01am
    Freedom of speech has been eroding for years. American law enforcement agencies have been tapped in to the WWW for years which already includes us. All this means is ASIO belated as it is will now be playing catchup. I have absolutely no objection being monitored, but I do have a warning for those who do, I hope you are not too bored shitless.
    particolor
    28th Sep 2014
    8:06am
    Being Bored Shirtless is a Black Dog !!

    Mick... Broken People are made to be Ruled !
    Mak
    28th Sep 2014
    2:13pm
    GOOD, about time, these laws may rid us of all the criminals and other nasty people in our society. Most people have a credit card, telephone, internet, bank account, car, tax number, electoral roll number, plus many other means of ID ..... which means we are already monitored in many ways.
    If you are innocent, what's the big deal, there never was 100% anonymity anyway.
    particolor
    28th Sep 2014
    2:25pm
    You may have already eaten a Nano Thingy that knows EVERYTHING about You !! Right down to Your last Twinkle ??
    Young Simmo
    28th Sep 2014
    11:52pm
    Come-on patticolor, er patticolor, er patticolor, er patticolor, we need a decent STIR OF THE POT in here.
    It is all becoming too boring, and if you or me or somebody can insult somebody, to an incredible degree and light a fire and stir Kaye and company up we might get a spark back in here.
    All these people that agree with each other drive me to bed.
    GO GET EM PARTICOLOR.


    Oop's
    particolor
    29th Sep 2014
    7:34am
    I personally think it is Too Bloody late !!! They voted Big Brother in ! Now put up with it !
    It will give an Abundance of employment for Scrutineers ! Watch Your Step !! ..
    BYE BYE !!
    Grateful
    29th Sep 2014
    10:07am
    Those who refer to the US and Israel as not ever letting another Nazi regime develop. well, with all of THEIR "anti-terrorist" "technology, today we read that the US were caught by surprise by the development of IS through Syria. Give OUR "anti-terrorist" agencies EVERY bit of technology ASAP. Freedom be damned, just ask those millions who have had their lives destroyed by those murderers and ask them about THEIR "constitutional rights"!!!!.
    Grateful
    29th Sep 2014
    10:11am
    President Barack Obama said U.S. intelligence underestimated that the political chaos in Syria over the past several years would create an environment for extremist group Islamic State to thrive.

    "This became ground zero for jihadists around the world," he said in an interview with CBS's 60 Minutes, according to an excerpt aired by the network on Sunday.

    The president said Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, was able to attract former members of Saddam Hussein's military in Iraq who brought a more sophisticated military strategy to the movement.

    This "gave them some traditional military capacity and not just terrorist capacity," Mr Obama said, adding that it was "absolutely true" that the US overestimated the ability and willingness of the new Iraqi government to push back against Islamic State.

    The US and international partners, particularly in the Middle East, would have to come up with political solutions in Iraq and Syria, Mr Obama said.

    But the near-term plan was to destabilise Islamic State.
    miss aisle
    29th Sep 2014
    12:32pm
    Yesterday on 60 Minutes - showed Kurd young women fighting with outdated
    weapons to try & keep their way of life & stop the killings/crucifications/beheadings
    /torture/rape/taking girls as trophies of war, etc., in their villages. Have shown they can be just as ruthless as IS. One girl said - "If a muslim is killed by the hand of
    a man, he will go to heaven & get his virgins - if, however he is killed by the hand of a woman, - NO heaven & NO virgins! Well!...
    particolor
    29th Sep 2014
    1:10pm
    I hope they are using Tampons to stop the Musket Ball from Rolling out of the Barrel ??..
    Anonymous
    29th Sep 2014
    4:18pm
    Obama is a left wing loonie.

    We need a good conservative leader perferably the tea party to make America great again.

    Still GRATEFUL - the US and ISrael have got your back, in spite of having a useless leader for thje moment.

    Condoleeza Rice has more balls than this President
    Adrianus
    29th Sep 2014
    6:36pm
    miss aisle, it is mind boggling to think that the Kurdish women want to preserve their way of life by killing fellow Islamists? While many of the men are trying to "improve" their lot by buggering off to heaven. What a crazy belief system.
    miss aisle
    29th Sep 2014
    7:50pm
    Frank, the more facts that are unfolding about this weird way to endure one's life
    on earth, the more desperate I feel about keeping our life style.
    Might be best if they all kill each other off - peace for them, peace for us.

    particolor, and... if the girls run out of ballbearings to make their bullets......
    Adrianus
    29th Sep 2014
    8:07pm
    Goodness gracious, you shake my nerves and you rattle my brain!!
    Anonymous
    29th Sep 2014
    8:23pm
    have a stiff scotch to calm you down Frnak
    particolor
    29th Sep 2014
    8:26pm
    They will have to Belt the Bullies over the Head with their Hand Bags !!
    miss aisle
    29th Sep 2014
    10:59pm
    Looking back, I may have gone a little overboard. Got carried away.
    Adrianus
    30th Sep 2014
    6:26am
    Solomon, you are obviously too young to know the words to that Little Richard song.
    Adrianus
    30th Sep 2014
    6:39am
    miss aisle, its my whacky off beat humour. Nobody gets it. Sometimes its just too hard to be funny.
    miss aisle
    30th Sep 2014
    7:41am
    Sure is Frank ! - keep your offbeat "edness" - but don't give up your "day job"
    with providing solid facts !
    Anonymous
    30th Sep 2014
    7:04pm
    I was joking too Frank.
    I got it.. your balls are on fire.
    particolor
    30th Sep 2014
    7:25pm
    Anyone for a Cuppa Boston's Best Tea ??
    Adrianus
    30th Sep 2014
    8:08pm
    ok everyone got it except me. I'll have that Cuppa Bostons Best Tea now thanks parti
    particolor
    30th Sep 2014
    8:13pm
    OK Frank !! I just thought King Solomon would like a Tea Party after all the Very Convincing Work He is doing here of Late ??
    Adrianus
    1st Oct 2014
    9:42am
    Yes he has been very convincing. I notice he has managed to attract the attention of mick who is very impartial and an independent Columbian Gold drinker.


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