Parliamentary burqa ban

Within a week, ASIO may ban people from wearing a burqa into Parliament House.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott says he doesn’t support banning the burqa from being worn in Australia, but he appears to back a ban on the burqa being worn in Parliament House. While ASIO and the federal police conduct an independent security assessment of the risks of full facial coverings, the decision as to whether the burqa ban inside Parliament House will go ahead, should be made within a week.

Mr Abbott says, “We are free country, we are a free society and it's not the business of government to tell people what they should and shouldn't wear.”

Mr Abbott then went on to say. “I've said before I find it a fairly confronting form of attire and frankly I wish it weren't worn… but I just want to stress that this [Parliament House] is a secure building and it should be governed by the rules that are appropriate for a secure building and obviously people need to be identifiable in a secure building such as this,"

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten does not support a burqa ban in Parliament House.

Read more at the SMH.

Common-sense must prevail

Australia is one of the most open-minded countries in the world, yet when it comes to a piece of headwear partly covering one’s face, people, including our Prime Minister, claim to feel uncomfortable. There are a lot of things that make me feel uncomfortable in public: from a mother breast feeding her child, two people kissing on public transport or simply seeing people wearing speedos at my local beach or swimming pool. None of these actions are offensive or illegal, and common sense says it’s me who has the problem.

It’s a person’s right to choose what they wear in public, and the burqa has to be included in this right. To suggest that the burqa needs to be banned altogether is a disappointing point of view. It comes down to the individual to decide what the burqa stands for, not the public. I can understand the Prime Minister’s thinking when it comes to upholding the security of Parliament House and other government buildings, but provided there is no objection to the removal of the headwear to verify identification to the security staff, then wearing it in public shouldn’t be illegal.

We need to start using a little more common sense in this country and stop discriminating against people for their religious and cultural beliefs. As far as I’m concerned, wear whatever makes you happy.

What do you think? In the interest of security should the burqa be banned in Parliament House? Does the government have the right to stop people from wearing it, and any other form of clothing?





    COMMENTS

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    Peony
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:28am
    All outward displays of religious affiliation should be banned: I applaud France for doing this. There is no such thing as a free society.
    Happy cyclist
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:07am
    So, you would ban all the people who wear small gold crosses around their neck?
    wally
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:36pm
    A crucifix or star of David can be worn inside your blouse or shirt. Try doing that with a burqa.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:52pm
    I saw a little Girl scream ? And thought it was Me ? But when I turned around I saw Why !!
    niemakawa
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:45pm
    They are not allowed to year them in Turkey, a Muslim country. I support the ban but in all public places, not just in Parliament house. Surely the Muslim community can do this for Australia.
    micky d.
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:52pm
    WHAT IF ?
    Now, here's a thought !

    Banning the burqa conjures up in almost any comment and opinion, making the face covering of Muslim women illegal. My concern and that this is not necessarily a proposed ban on a gender basis - simply the garment itself - irrespective of who's wearing it.
    Whilst I certainly don't like it I don't particularly feel threatened by a woman wearing a burqa. But let's say the burqa is allowed to remain acceptably legal ....can you just imagine how you might feel walking down the main street of the city confronted by dozens of males, in groups, wearing the face covering.
    Would there still be acceptance ?
    Scary !!! I know it would rattle me !
    I don't think that anything that identifies one's religion should be questioned but covering the face is a totally and, in my opinion, different and unwelcome matter.
    LENYJAC
    2nd Oct 2014
    7:57pm
    SO ABBOTT DOES NOT WANT THIS IN HIS PARLIAMENTARY DOMAIN BUT ITS ALRIGHT IN PUBLIC... NOT ACCEPTABLE ABBOTT,GET RID OF THIS CRAP OFF OUR STREETS
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:18am
    Exactly Wally. WE do not want them IN parliament and we don't want them wearing this ON the street either. and 2. Because of what micky wrote i'm sure these thoughts have been in many ppls heads. Its nothing new but for this reason they should BE BANNED point Blank. YOU can't tell with some Whether its a woman or a man under the burqa. LETS see HOW they join the JOIN, and Stop controlling and trying to dominate OUR lifes and turning it inside out for their benefit????
    WE have been fair WE let they in so they could have safety and to get on with their lifes NOW we are being told on what we should or should not ACCEPT???
    When you LIve in Rome, you live like the Romans. OR if i went to their country i would have to wear a Burqa!!!! Na this is just NOT on ABBOT give em the flick or the chance to JOIN TEAM Australia. NOw even then i wouldn't trust them now!!
    Anonymous
    5th Oct 2014
    1:11pm
    When I talk to a person I want to see their whole face; not just the eyes.

    Otherwise they can wear a hessian bag for all I care.
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    2:04pm
    Hessian catches on Your Beard ?? Silk Glides straight over !!
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    9:18am
    Peony, that's like asking the Irish to dance like nobody is watching.
    Grateful
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:29am
    but provided there is no objection to the removal of the headwear to verify identification to the security staff
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:18pm
    Yeah that makes sense ?? By the time they get to security it where they want to be Anyhow !!
    MICK
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:35am
    This is a lot more than security particolor. It is a choice of what the nation does not want from a part of the community who have been given a wonderful and unique opportunity to settle in a land of milk and honey. The issue is that this community does not respect us, does not want to integrate and believes that it can get its way by accusing Australians of racism and prejudice.
    The truth is that covered faces is not a part of our culture and Australians simply do not want this garb. We have rights????? Maybe not.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:21am
    You Had Rights !!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:21am
    The Days of Clover are Over Rover !!
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:55am
    mick, we are now living in a land of milk and honey?
    Yesterday we were ranked 61st in the world and lagging behind the rest of the world. We were being ruled by a cutthroat who was plundering pensioners. There was a constant struggle between rich and poor. GetUp couldn't get an add on TV at any price. Baked Beans was soon to become the staple diet of many Australians. We were under the hypnotic spell of a media outlet called Murdoch. So what has changed overnight?
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:21am
    Why does the DAys OF clover have to BE over Rover!!!
    NOW all we have to do is the cleaning, its going to be hard cause we already let the dirt in!!
    NOW we have very difficult cleaning to Make it good again. BEcause the Pollies have BEEn slack. WE would have been better letting in the ukrainians!!! Buttttt NO??
    Dipsticks
    MICK
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:30pm
    Frank: You love those media stories. Fiction ? Often yes.
    For the record we have a PM who is trying his best to enrich those who have more than they need whilst talking the rhetoric of 'high wages' to reduce wages and pay for this. I guess somebody has to pay for the privileged folk.
    Currently Australia is doing ok but don't expect it to last on our present course. But then I suspect that many Australians (not you) see this government for what it is. One has to hope that they remember at election time.
    Brian
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:32am
    In a free and democratic country we can determine who comes into our life. I want to SEE the person and not feel fear or feel oppressed. Burqa, helmets, and any other face covering OFF.
    Adrianus
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:28am
    I agree Brian. If I am in a queue at the bank I would rather not be surrounded by disguised people who could be concealing more than their identity.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:45pm
    I'm going to start carrying a Full Size Wooden Cross around !! But I will lean it against the front wall when I go in the Bank !!
    Disco3
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:38pm
    Agreed Brian. Let them wear it if they (the woman) wishes BUT it must be removed in situations where identity establishment is essential - such as banks and airports.
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:34pm
    OFF, OFF, OFF! no ifs or buts. Show their face or bugger off to the middle east where they all belong and ISIS can take care of them. We are not allowed to have dark tinted windows in our cars, so why are these people allowed to conceal their identity?
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:25am
    Well start carrying it particolor, at least then i will know who you are, unless the cross covers your face. Cause when you hurt somebody, i can take a pic of your face cross and all. And know who to deal with. But Even out in the streets, YOU a dozen Burqa wearing citizens, perhaps they have some knives, and or automatics under there, and they could wipe you out in under a minute. If they kept that up. The land of honey could be their for keeps???
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:30pm
    I've decided not to do that. I just realized that Christian things are Offensive to some !!
    MICK
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:25pm
    particolor: some in the Islamic community expect tolerance and religious freedom towards them whilst at the same time wanting to tear down our Christian heritage and worship. Your comment is pertinent.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    8:56pm
    I think it was last Year ? They went Bonkers about a Nativity Scene in a Park somewhere at Christmas ! The Council had to dismantle it and take it away as they were Vandalizing it !! ..What a Hide !!
    Vickbenla
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:37am
    People have to remove helmets so the same should apply to any headwear, we are bowing to religion & the politically correct. All people should show their faces
    Drew
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:41am
    Security staff can and have the right to refuse entry if the person won't remove their helmet or any type of religious headwear. The burqa wearing community comply with all these requests to remove if asked (they have to when travelling overseas for example for passport checks, it isn't something new to them).
    wally
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:41pm
    A lot has been said about what a free and open society Australia is. If everyone is equal, as claimed, why does a double standard exist? When some of us have to remove our hats, caps and motorcycle helmets to enter a bank and persons wearing a burqa do not, where is the equality in that? Does this mean that all motorbike riders wear burquas under their helmets?
    wally
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:45pm
    I think the discretionary powers of security personnel to decide on who should uncover and who should not to gain entry into premises gives the security bod power that is open to abuse depending on the views and prejudices of said security guard.
    biddi
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:12pm
    I agree with you, Vickbenla. Much can be concealed under the Muslim garb.
    Rob
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:38am
    I'm not sure of the correct terms but I have no hassle with women wearing scarves etc that cover the hair but leave the face exposed. I find the full face cover completely offensive and totally inappropriate in Australia.
    Fiona
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:00am
    I have friends from many countries but how can I know if someone is friendly
    or not if I can't even see their eyes? My friends sometimes wonder if a large
    person is male or female. It makes us feel uneasy.
    Adrianus
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:20pm
    Fiona that is why the handshake was introduced. It was proof that no weapon was being held.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:30pm
    Frank.. What do You do when a Big Hairy Arm comes out ??
    retroy
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:39pm
    Absolutely correct Rob. Behind a burqa there could be any one, male or female so if they want to live in this country they should comply with societal norms.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:42pm
    When in Rome Wear a Toga !!
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:28pm
    absolutely correct, no need to wear it, in fact because some women have been harassed for doing so they have now decided not to wear it!!~ so its just a stupid custom that is not necessary, so STOP OFFENDING AUSTRALIANS AND OUR CULTURE! I hope those who do wear the full face covering continue to be harassed, stripped naked to teach then a lesson!
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:56am
    Apparently around 50% of Muslim husbands insist their wives cover up when going outdoors because they do not want other men to look at them. I wonder why???
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:04am
    parti, you check that your identification is accurate!!!
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:40am
    Frank perhaps in the old days the big Hairy Arm thing was good but in the day and age its a mith because i'm a woman with Hairy arm. And if necessary i could pass as a man as i am quiet tall and shoulders are broad. So I wouldn't take notice of that one. If i had to wear a burqa, and had to shake your hand, you couldn't tell if i was male or female trust me. and NOT only that how many germs could you catch, especially if i didn't wash me hands......i could make you very sick.......So i would stop doing that mate :(
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:08am
    OK
    Carol
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:41am
    If we go to their countries we have to respect their religion and cover up so why don't they respect our country and take it off as it is definitely a confronting sight. It is scary for children and an oppressive form of attire of women.

    Come into the twenty first century and abide by the majority or don't come here.
    Drew
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:44am
    Should the wearing of hoodies be banned in Australia? Most burqa's cover the same amount of a face as this acceptable and becoming more popular piece of youth clothing? What if it is -5'c outside and snowing? The same type of clothing to cover the face would be worn as the burqa. Is this scary for children?
    tomtom
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:48am
    Well said Carol, try holding hands in the Arab republics and see what happens - also, our bank requests that you take off sun glasses. Enough is enough, if you want to live in our country, may I suggest that you live as Australians do ( well some of us anyway !!! )
    Happy cyclist
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:13am
    Drew, you are so right. In the dead of winter I wear a full balaclava when I cycle to work in the early morning. So far no-one has said I am not allowed to do that. I also of course have a helmet on too. I don't seem to be offending anyone and no-one looks frightened. I think we should live and let live. I remember in the 1960s when the nuns wore ridiculous cover-all outfits, they looked just like penguins but there was no out-cry about them that I recall.
    wally
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:47pm
    Ban hoodies except when inclement weather is expected. There is no need to wear hoodies on bright sunny days during summer months.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:57pm
    Maybe the new Police squad on duty at Parliament House should have to remove their helmets and scarves (which on some, cover their nose and mouth). I can pick up a police uniform at any party hire outlet these days!!

    Or should we just accept that some people are different in a pluralist, multicultural, multidinominational society, welcome the diverity they bring us and accept it.

    Surely, as in all airports in the Middle East, we can set up a separate room/screen where women in this attire can reveal their faces privately and so maintain their dignity. Neither you nor Tony need to feel uncomfortable as they can be appropriately checked.

    But MORE importantly, women who choose to wear this form of dress can feel comfortable. Get over it, grow up, or "go back to where you came from."
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:51pm
    Waiting to Retire at 70.. What a surprize Ending that Novel Had !!..
    FrankC
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:05pm
    Hoodies should never have been manufactured. There are too many little crims/teens that wear these to hide their faces when committing a crime. They should be withdrawn from the market place.
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    9:42pm
    Drew: you appear to be in damage control. Hoodies do not cover the face unless the wearer holds the headgear closed or looks down. People who live in cold climates take off their head gear when they enter a building or when it is not blowing. -5 is not face covering temperature. I know because I an in this environment at least 2 months a year.
    Get the facts straight Drew and maybe consider where you live, what is acceptable to the population and what is not. Your argument about 'rights' really does not cut it when middle eastern people settle in Australia, denigrate their women by forcing them to cover up and then try to force their new country to accept their archaic custom with cries of 'discrimination' and 'hatred'. Obnoxious!!
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    12:54am
    Webmaster Drew, Hoodies may be a passing trend and out of fashion next year, the burka won't unfortunately!
    DavidB
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:43am
    Note that the burqa is not a religious dress, it is societal, a preferred form of dress. The wearing of it is not demanded by the religion of Islam. Hence it is the same as if I always wore a balaclava... would I need to take it off to enter parliament house?
    btony
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:12pm
    The difference between a burqa and Tonys, budgies? We know whats under the budgies
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:55pm
    One Fried Sausage 2 Boiled Eggs anyone ?? And a Nice Cuppa ?
    mangomick
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:29pm
    btony .........That would be the same as what is under his hat.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:53pm
    A Rockmelon ??
    Precious 1
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:56pm
    The Koran implies women should lower their gaze etc and appear at all times subservient to males.......crikey I wouldn't do very well with that idealogy
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:33pm
    If I lower My eyes when I talk to a Woman I get a Slap on the Face ??
    DavidB
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:45am
    ... by the way, the picture shown on this page of head scarves being worn by a woman is not a burqa.
    Drew
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:50am
    Any form on head-ware that conceals the face from my understanding would be banned under the changes being discussed for Parliament House.
    DavidB
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:05am
    Point taken, but the picture shown is a stylized form of the niqab...
    Adrianus
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:28pm
    The makers of Star Wars used similar costumes to create suspense and mystery.
    Precious 1
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:58pm
    The burqua is the black overalls with only slit with mesh covering the eyes..gloves are accessory I believe and it is boots covering the ankles too ?????????
    Gerry
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:45am
    I feel that this is fair comment,it is a secure area & if people want to go into this place then they should abide by the rules.Bike riders have to remove helmets in banks & other buildings & I see this as similar.
    dougie
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:48am
    What a stupid irrelevant question you ask. How sexist are you?

    The real matter of concern is security not only in Parliament House but everywhere. If I, and I don't mind, have to be photographed within the community so that should I be involved in any matter illegal, have to bare my face, so should each other member of the community. End of story. Not racsist, not religious just obeying the law of the land in which I and those who oppose the need to show your f should do at all times.ace
    ndibs
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:51am
    Anything that masks the identity to or within a secured area should not be an accepted or condoned practice. This goes for Government Buildings, Banks and even Post Offices as well as consideration should be given for other areas where video surveillance has been proven necessary due to criminal or unsociable activity.

    How about going to the next step an banning sunglasses being worn indoors.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:03pm
    Shave Your Head !!.... Next Move !!
    OzzieOzzie
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:04pm
    Why would you need to wear Sunnies Indoors? hehe Does the sun shine in your eyes in your place?
    In fact it is Rude to talk to someone if you're hiding behind Sunnies. It is polite to take them off then.
    Simo
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:51am
    i agree certainly in any Public Place the Face Covering by any name should be against our Countries Law of Society I am not in anyway decrying anyone's right to practice their beliefs but if we as Christin belief go to certain countries whose belief it is that the Woman in Public should cover their Bodies from Head to Foot including their Eyes then our Women have to comply or suffer the Law of that Country so I say We should not have to accept the practice her in Australia where is is the Norm to Show ones Face in Public including the Hair & Eyes, which is the best way of Identifying a Person, then it should be made Law that No Complete Covering of a person's Hair and Eyes in Public be allowed especially in a Place like our Parliament House, and Banks, Hospitals, Train Stations, Buses / Bus Stops, so it is better that these Persons assimilate into our of Public life, or not chose to live in this Country.
    Drew
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:56am
    Simo, I think no one is going to disagree that to feel more 'secure' we want to know who the person is, but then surely we would have to ban the use of sunglasses, hoodies, wigs and even facial hair in public if we are going to these extremes? I've been assaulted in public twice in my life, once 100% unprovoked and I can tell you the offenders did not try and conceal themselves.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:11pm
    And it was Midnight !
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:45pm
    Don't hold your breath Simo, the last thing they want to do is assimilate, they don't give a stuff if WE are offended, after all their aim is to make this into another muslim state/country. They have f..... up Britain & western Europe and we are next on the list. Too late, but why have France, Belgium & the Netherlands banned the burka & niqab?
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:50am
    They have f..... up Britain & western Europe and we are next on the list. Too late, but why have France, Belgium & the Netherlands banned the burka & niqab?

    INdeed STOP the problem in its Tracks......?
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:55am
    Before its toOO late. Look drew Sunglasses can be lifted easily and the outline of the face seen regardless anyway. Even a hoodie is NO where near as bad. I wear a hoodie occasionally BECAuse we have POLLUTION plus these days and perhaps you don't feel it but I DO. SO i dress accordingly. and yeh some assaults are done by youngsters who have already probably been watching you and see you are vulnerable......and perhaps thats why they targeted you
    ndibs
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:58am
    As to Tony in buggie smugglers, Drew is probably again jealous that Tony at nearly or maybe twice his age has a body that allows him to wear speedo's - unlike Drew's.
    Rob
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:11am
    Spot on.
    Polly Esther
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:52pm
    absolutely spot on my friend, and I would add further that this Drew character is not making any fair comment or asking any fair questions on this subject, but instead is just stirring sh*t again, as may I say he usually does about many things that should be of importance. Similar to the child who gets off by saying outrageous things simply to provoke a reaction.
    huffnpuff
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:11am
    YES IT SHOULD BE BANNED RIGHT ACROSS AUSTRALIA. Why is our government to scared to stand up to the minorities. We are a Christian country, you cannot wear a motor bike helmet or a balaclava into shopping centres/banks etc so how come these people can get away with wearing the burqa or hejab, I don't have a problem with the headscarves, but the full face covering is not on. I also applaud France their government obviously has more guts than ours. Is it going to take a suicide bomber wearing a burqa to walk into Parliament House & blow themselves up before our government will sit up & listen.
    Polly Esther
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:05pm
    not to worry so much about Parliament House, they can and will look after themselves, I believe it would be far more outrageous and sickening if a suicide bomber were to do their deed in a large busy railway station or some such place. and please nobody scoff. Just remember London, New York , Bali. Bet the people there didn't think it could happen. Too late, too sad.
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    1:02am
    Totally agree huffnpuff, but blowing up parliament would not be a great loss!
    Watto
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:12am
    I do not understand why this is being discussed .OF COURSE it should be banned ! If women want to walk around their own house / yard looking like a letterbox ....that's fine . Same as those who want to walk around nude inside their house . BUT, outside their private environs it should be banned totally . If I walk down the street with a balaclava covering my face I would expect to be challenged.
    We must stop pandering to lunatic minorities . Governments do this only to keep their votes . Wrong wrong wrong !
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:08pm
    Just be very Careful Where You Post that Letter !!
    fair-go
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:14am
    I believe that people should have the right to their own beliefs without enforcing it upon anyone else. By saying this I also have my views on the wearing of the burqua in public. My background is in law enforcement and state security (I won't go into details about this) and what I will say is that certain fundamentalists have declared war on Australia which means that they do not get to dictate the terms of our response. We must do whatever it takes to protect ourselves and our country from these threats.
    This is not a matter of being racist and it we should never consider whether our actions offends anyone when it comes to our actions to defend and protect our citizens.
    The burqua hides who is wearing it. It could be a woman legitimately wearing it or it could be a male, who knows. Furthermore, how do we know whether that person is concealing a weapon or explosives? This is what we should consider. Unfortunately we live in a changed Australia now and since war has been declared on us, we must put our safety first above everything else.
    In closing, if anyone walks in public, wearing a ski mask, the response that that should open the eyes of anyone who thinks this is about discrimination because it is not. The majority of all denominations are good people but this is about those who dare to threaten us and our way of life. I hope politicians will stop thinking about the elections and put the nations safety first.
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:44am
    Well said. It is not about religion, race, etc,. It is about security & equality. Security reasons which you covered & equality because I can not walk around wearing a balaclava, etc. I can't even fill my motorbike tank with fuel without removing my helmet first.
    Polly Esther
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:27pm
    now that is a very sensible comment and very well said about a very serious subject. Congratulations !!
    Anonymous
    9th Oct 2014
    8:09am
    In fighting those who have different values than us and would do us harm , we have to be careful we do not lose the very values we are defending, one is 18c we have lost the right to offend. The other is to wear whatever we wish. While retaining the right to a dress code on private premises.
    The burqua is not a Muslim requirement but an Arab custom in a few orthodox communities.
    Why women's rights advocates are not campaigning for this mark of women's subjugation is a question..
    dougie
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:16am
    An idea.

    Why not put forward a referendum on the use of the face cover etc under whatever name it is known. Let the people of Australia have a say in what they feel is right and acceptable to the community in which we live. No political interference just a plain and straight out Yes or No and let that be the decision. Whatever decision must then be adhered to by all.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:21pm
    Dougie Democracy is Dead ! Since when did we have a Public Opinion (Referendum) on anything lately ?? The Government now thinks it is their Righ to make up Our Minds for us !! The last Referendum I can remember was one from Jack Boots about Stupid Daylight Saving !! And the way it was worded it didn't matter which way You answered it, it Meant Yes We want it !! Yeah Right !! Lets have a Referendumb !!
    Jude
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:59pm
    Hey Dougie, you've got a point there! Trouble is a Referendum costs money - something Australia is not too flush with right now. Mainly because we are spending too much on keeping our borders safe - a problem virtually unknown to previous generations. Why not simply insist on having a voice. We don't HAVE to put up with the insecurity of persons of middle eastern origin - many of whom are not citizens of this wonderful country - wear what they like, do what they like. Let Tony Abbott hear our voices, read our emails. And hey Tony - don't toss the Speedos - some of us think you look pretty cool in them!
    dougie
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:32pm
    Hey Jude,

    You are so right, we should be heard and we have a right to be heard. Just look at what is happening in Hong Kong. Maybe we should be a little louder to make our voices heard. After all we elect the members of parliament as our representatives - let them do their job and represent our concerns and requirements.
    roccy
    9th Oct 2014
    10:08am
    Hey Jude, if we don't stop bowing to the " don't do this don't display that don't sing christmas charols because it offends us" pretty soon Abbott won't be allowed to wear his speedos because it might offend someone
    Inside Edge
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:26am
    The burqa should be banned in Parliament House. I agree with Abbott. We all know what happened a couple of years ago when a lady wearing a burqa was pulled over by police in S.W Sydney. The lady falsely accused the policeman of abusing her and trying to rip off her burqa. She was charged with making a false statement but she got off because the judge said " I can't be sure it was her who made the compliant".
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:40pm
    I just heard on the Parliament Station that there will be a Glass fronted Enclosure in Parliament for People who want to wear it, to sit !!..
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:10am
    That was yesterday.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    12:56pm
    So was My Bloody Comment !!!!
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:22pm
    I know and I knew. No need for all that swearing!! :) I was simply eluding to the fact that things can change overnight. I am sorry. Look this burqa business has got us all wound up tighter than a leaky tap. Don't read too much into it. I would invite you over for a lamb dinner but you're at least 3 days drive away.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    5:40pm
    I just found this again ! Because I knocked out 96 comments clogging up the In Box ?? Lamb ?? MMMM!!.. Someone wrote somewhere here that it is all Halal now ??
    We have been Converted one more step now !! That's Nice !... I'll be an Imam by Christmas . No hang on ?! we don't have that anymore do we ??
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    5:58pm
    geeze...who would believe it????? See for yourself.

    http://muslimvillage.com/2011/10/17/15544/how-halal-is-australian-halal-meat/
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    6:10pm
    STREWTH !! What's Next ?? Replace My Coo Coo Clock ! On the Hour Muhammad comes out ?? And calls Me to Prayer ??

    2nd Oct 2014
    11:26am
    I live in a regional centre of about 70,000 people and despite being continually told we're being over-run by asylum seekers, refugees, boat people and muslims only occasionally spot a woman wearing a hajib from time to time, but have yet to sight anyone wearing a burqa....

    Wouldn't mind knowing the stats on how many burqa clad people actually visit Parliament House on a regular basis, but have formed the impression to this point and news reports of recent days that it's either none or a very few....Likewise am struggling to recall when someone dressed in a burqa was charged with a terrorist related crime in this country ....but feel free to correct if you have credible info otherwise relating to these points...

    My understanding of this sort of thing is that security in these places have processes in train where they just request people who have their faces covered with either bike helmets, hoodies, burqas or whatever to just show their faces or to simply remove what is restricting the inability to those in charge of security matters to see the face - Surely this would suffice?

    But as I said have yet to sight someone wearing a burqa so might think/feel differently if I ever actually get to see someone doing so....
    Polly Esther
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:22pm
    surely you jest, if not you must take your walks wearing blinkers
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:35pm
    Well no Flying Doctor, don't jest, and had I seen, to this point, someone wearing a burqa in the regional centre where I live I would have said so....but no burqa sightings in my neck of the woods.....

    And as I said previously have seen the occasional woman wearing the hijab but no burqas - and haven't done the research or collected the stats, but believe this would be the case for many rural and regional centres throughout the country.....
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    1:12am
    Take a trip to Bankstown or Lakemba, etc...shitso1 and you won't believe you're still in Australia!
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    5:46am
    Hey why so rude trood? And unless you're unable to read simple English it's pretty clear what my name is ......

    Just stating the facts as I see them, and like many who live in rural and regional Australia or those who spend a lot of time in Parliament House - am yet to sight someone wearing a burqa....
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:32am
    Absolutely it's fair! Burqa should be banned along with the Niqab. Just allow the hijab. Let woman who want to, wear it at home . . . just as I can wear a balaclava or motorbike helmet in my home - if I wanted . . . why anyone would want to ;). But in parliament house & any where else public - ban it!!
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    9:50pm
    Yes.
    Troubadour
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:37am
    I agree that the burqa is confronting and deprerssive, and does scare our children.
    The hijab or khimar, which leaves the face exposed is OK - but in these times of heightened security the laws of the land should be observed. When we go overseas to Asia and places most of us observe their rules and out of respect remove our shoes and keep our shoulders covered. This is not a request on religious grounds, it is a common sense request to observe the regulations we too have to abide by.
    clicquot
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:37am
    Are your comments designed just to stir up an unnecessary controversy? Your comparison between Tony Abbotts speedos and the burqua is just about the biggest no brainer I have ever heard. Have a sensible debate about this of course, but not based on your political prejudice and stupidity. I thought you were more intellegent.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:26pm
    You are Right !! But it did allow an opening for Clowns at His Circus ??
    EELS
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:50pm
    I am afraid some people cant help themselves when it comes to bagging Tony Abbott.
    dougie
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:27pm
    My guess is that Drew is a disciple of Tanya Plibersek, they both make the same comparison. Stupid what!
    Judy in the hills
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:38am
    Definitely the burqa etc. should be adjusted to reveal the face. It seems to me that this is AUSTRALIA and Australian rules and regulations apply. We do all need to see the faces of people around us. This should apply to everyone. Those who wish to wear the mostly burqa chose to come to Australia because of what of Australia offered to them. So our rules apply. If we chose to live in their country I'm sure we'd have to comply with their rules.
    Masonite
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:35pm
    Judy,
    These people do comply with Australian rules.
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:45pm
    Agree Judy.
    And Masonite, No they don't. Not if they wear the Burqa (as shown in my profile pic) in certain public places.
    Masonite
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:50pm
    So Fliss, where have Burqa clad women not complied with Australian Law?
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:03pm
    When it is NOT a Woman !!
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:07pm
    Masonite, when they enter a bank, when they fill their car with fuel, when they go to a court house, etc, etc, etc, etc, Need I go on?
    And they certainly should NOT ever be driving wearing one! How dangerous would that be?????
    tia-maria
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:24pm
    Masonsite, You must have your eyes shut mate???????????
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    9:48pm
    Sadly Judy politicians are vote seeking morons for the most part, interested in being re-elected and often unwilling to alienate any section of the community lest they lose their votes.
    I agree with you. This is Australia and covering one's identity in this way is not on. And I don't care what dummy argument and claims of discrimination are made. Australians are fair but rubbing our noses in it is not.

    2nd Oct 2014
    11:53am
    A burqa to me means the start of sharia law and also the face of terrorism. Have a look at all terroists who have been jailed or recently killed as in Victoria all have been supported by women or men (who would Know) wearing burqas get rid of them while we can.
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:01pm
    Australia has had many waves of immigration and in all fairness Australians have feared some of these. All have worked out over time but I have my doubts about this lot.
    If Islamic people were not a problem the world over and were compliant and accepting of the cultures of their new countries I would be more accepting but history has shown that they are trouble wherever they go. This religion DOES NOT INTEGRATE and seeks to impose itself on other cultures. The burqa is just the start. Their spokesperson (Mr Trad) has already stated on several occasions that he sees no problem with polygamy. A few of their clerics have voiced hate of us and that conquest is inevitable. And 60 young Islamic men are fighting a jihad in the Middle East. So who cannot see that we have a problem?
    As always I extend my apologies to the good people in this group but we can never ignore that forest for the trees.
    Covered identities need to be banned. End of story!!
    particolor
    7th Oct 2014
    9:46pm
    Get a Flute and Lead them over the River !!
    fair-go
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:06pm
    That politician who compared Tony Abbott wearing speedos to that of someone wearing a burqua just shows what quality of thinking we have stooped to. I guess someone could have an AK47 or 20kg of explosives hidden in their speedos (the mind boggles).
    I will never condemn anyone for their opinions but logic must prevail. Again, this is not about dictating to people what they can and cannot wear or anything to do with religion. It is about national security.
    The lady who said that she has never seen anyone wearing a burqua, commit a crime or threaten our security, think about this, before 9-11, did the general public think anything like this was possible? Did people in the UK think that one of their soldiers would be attacked in a public place before those excuses for human beings, killed him? Try to think like these clowns do, remember the element of surprise is what they rely and depend upon. The most gruesome of actions, some of those which could never be imagined by people, are the ones which will destroy the confidence in people.
    Stop political correctness because this is what started all this problems in the first place. Being too worried to stop something or prevent things from happening because we were too afraid of how our actions would offend people. We need to grow up, face the future threats and think of the bigger picture, not keeping everyone feeling comfortable because we are too scared to do and say what we know is in the best interests of the country.
    Australia, the age of innocence has past thanks to those who don't have respect for our laws or way of life.
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:20pm
    again . . . well said!!! :)
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:32pm
    In Absolute Agreeance !! << Is that a word ? Its not in My Dickshunry
    EELS
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:53pm
    Spot on again!
    fair-go
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:09pm
    I apogise for not checking my grammar,unfortunately I have not been allowed to edit my posts and correct the mistakes, and there are a few :(
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:36pm
    Youll get over it ,fair-go !! The site is stacked with Dickshunry Pigs and Rudes Scholars ,but they may not notice on this one ?? They are too busy looking at Funny Hats !!
    Hiwy
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:31pm
    We are indeed a free and very lucky Country and we should not dish out cheap politically motivated comments. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that the Speedo reference was meant to get the conversation going.
    Most people do feel uncomfortable and uneasy when confronted with a full facial Burqa, there is no need for it in Australia anyway, we've got hats with corks ..., but seriously, why not have a referendum to establish what people honestly think?
    Chummy
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:37pm
    I think it is legitimate for the removal of any attire that covers the face entirely at Parliment House.
    Quite frankly I think that people should not be permitted to cover their faces entirely in public, we are after all living in Australia.
    I personally have no objection to ladies wearing a covering over their head which leaves their face exposed.
    I have seen and spoken to many (muslim or Lebanese)(apologies if I'm in correct )ladies that wear only the covering over the head.
    As someone mentioned if you have a motorcycle helmet on you must remove it and rightly so.
    Capn Dan
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:47pm
    Poor webmaster Drew has copped plenty for his voice of reason. Trained, licensed Security have more than a right, indeed a duty, to ensure that any person accessing a secure area, airport, bank, coward's castle (Parliament) be identified correctly. They may be refused entry, asked to leave, scanned by a metal or body scan, retina scans are on the way. In Queensland now IDs will be scanned and photos of nightclub patrons taken and compared to a facial recognition program. If anyone wants entry they must comply. This is not in any way related to religion, it is about the safety of the public.
    Capn Dan
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:48pm
    Just to add, I recognise the right of women to breast feed where they want. Go on 'em for doing the right thing for their kids. ;-)
    cookie47
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:49pm
    These people are not Australians and are showing that they dont want to fit in with our society.
    To me they are saying dont talk to me unless your Muslim.They live in Australia and get all the bebefits that are on offer but really don't want to fit in.They would not know what Australia day is and the significance of Gallipoli. They live in there own community and dont give a stuff about anyone else.
    Masonite
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:47pm
    Oh Cookie, you are so ignorant. You say they don't want to fit in, they don't know what Australia Day is or the significance of Gallipoli, but without one shred of knowledge of this being true. Every migrant community since Captain Cook arrived has grouped together initially. Each generation branches out as they become more comfortable. I heard the exact same ignorance of Europeans in the 50's and 60's and some of the Serbians and Croatians brought their troubles with them. These issues long ago went away. Try making friends with some Muslims, you will be amazed at how nice they are. Bigotry is alive and well in Australia.
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:15pm
    Whilst your put down is the use of the word "bigotry" Masonite your view ignores several issues.
    Islamic people mostly live in enclaves because they do not want to deal with Australians and more than likely find them to be infidels and seek to avoid them at any price. In all fairness other cultures from the past also lived in enclaves.
    Islamic people also have a religion which is far removed from any other religion we have. Their religion, whilst professing to be kind to others, never is. It does not accept alternative religions.
    No other culture that I can think of covers up like this one and this does not fit our culture.
    Australians are not allowed to denigrate their women. This culture is.
    Whilst middle eastern people may well end up to be another culture which works out in Australia you need to accept the likelihood that this one is different. Many other parts of the world have similar issues.
    The problem with criticising any culture or group is that you always have good people in any group. But you cannot throw the baby out with the bath water and people need to recognise that politicians have crossed the line and introduced the possibility of a troubled future for us all.
    I hope that it all works out but I am concerned with what I have seen in the past 20 years. The burqa is but one of the signposts which point to where we are headed.
    So please do not call people bigots because they do not agree with your views. Remember the old carpenter's rule: measure 3 times, cut once. With Islam: think 3 times and act properly for the sake of those who come after us. Cheers.
    buby
    5th Oct 2014
    1:37pm
    mASonite, i'm sure many are not IGnorant, these issue won't go away. Well just take a look at what these issues are doing to other countries ARE YOU blind, OR can't read OR whats the problem do you need a translator???
    They have NOT assimulated, as other nationalites have!
    They don't want to assimulate As others have.
    And now they kick up a stink on just about everything? YOu know problems with prayer.
    and many other issues.... NO other nationalities has NOT done that, they are TEAM"Australia" Just because muslims know about this that other the other about aussies, we too know about them, its call information and we have learnt much about them.......THEY don't assimilate. Why are they special. goto special schools. i know must be something wrong with them hey matey!!!
    Masonite
    2nd Oct 2014
    12:59pm
    If we ban the Burqa, we take away another freedom. Can anyone tell me of any instance in Australia where a woman wearing a Burqa or Hijab has done anything to cause this hysteria?
    There are plenty of instances where men wearing Christian Priestly garb have assaulted children but I don't hear any cries for these clothes to be banned. Get to know some Muslims and you will find they want exactly the same things the rest of us want.
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:30pm
    You missed the point Masonite. It's not about religion, race, etc. It is about equal rights. In Australia you must show your face in certain situations. e.g. can't go into a bank (or even shopping centre) wearing a balaclava or helmet, so same should apply to burqa & niqab. p.s NO objection to the hijab.
    Masonite
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:54pm
    The reason you cant go into certain places wearing a balaclava or a helmet, is because people only wear balaclava's or helmets to rob banks etc. Are you aware of a single instance of someone wearing a Burqa robbing a bank? This is not about equal rights this is about ignorance.
    EELS
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:57pm
    Masonite -"Can anyone tell me of any instance in Australia where a woman wearing a Burqa or Hijab has done anything to cause this hysteria?" NOT YET!
    DavidB
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:17pm
    Daily Mail Australia report from 6th May 2010 - "A gunman dressed in a head-to-toe black burqa and sunglasses robbed a cash courier in a shopping centre car park"... this happened in Sydney.
    There have been a burka dressed bank robbery in France, and also in the U.S.
    greatgolly
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:06pm
    I continue to be frustrated over this debate when it is loaded toward the Muslim side! I went into two places and in both places I was but a few feet from a woman wearing a Burqa, yet, I was not asked but told to remove my hat as my face could not be seen, but this woman was not required to remove her Burqa to show her face, wrong, wrong, wrong! We cannot have a law for we the Australian male and one for the Muslims, it has to be one or the other, this was discrimination, and if it happens again, I will take it to the Antidiscrimination authorities!

    As it is, we eat Halal meat without even knowing it, no meat is marked as such, but nevertheless it is. I once listened to an interview with an Imam, and he said that Muslims will inevitably take Australia and it will be Islam, stating they would breed Australians out and Christians will no longer be welcome in an Australian Muslim country.

    Between what they say and what is happening around the world, the Muslim community should be worried, and no, I am not a racist as I do know many good Muslims, in fact, only about 2% are to be worried about, but they came to Australia for a better way of life, the life Australians have led for almost 3 centuries, yet they neither accept our way of life and in a slow but steady way, are forcing their way of life on Australia.
    Bes
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:09pm
    Anyone wearing a burqa or face mask are taken aside at airports and asked to lift up the veil. I watched this happen in UK. Comply or not fly.
    We in Australia have yet to witness buses and trains blown up and a soldier hacked to death in the street.
    Although our armed forces have been warned of wearing their uniform in the street after a report of a certain type of people taunting one of our officers. They are here!
    Security has been heightened to help prevent any of the above happening for the safety of everyone.
    Yes people (and Nums) wear headdresses but their faces are openly reconizable.
    Some people in Australia tend to live in a sheltered world and would fail to see any need for security.
    Thankfully these people are of the minority and need a little more understanding than the general public.
    Remember this is only the beginning, the shove in the back is the first move of the school yard bully and it escalates from that point.....unless they are stopped!
    Masonite
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:28pm
    You used your experiences in the UK as a reason to ban the Burqa. None of those events were caused by a woman wearing a Burqa.
    streak
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:10pm
    Simple fact! head coverings preventing facial identity should be banned same as helmets! Commonsense! Trouble with commonsense it's not common.
    EELS
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:01pm
    Also driving wearing a burqa should not be allowed. Try driving with no peripheral vision. It would be like wearing blinkers and not very safe at all.
    buby
    5th Oct 2014
    1:43pm
    even worse than wearing a helmet Eels!!!
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    1:48pm
    Darth Vader !!
    Poppysmum
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:10pm
    This accompanying picture is NOT a Burqa, it is a Niqab. The Burqa is most favoured in Saudi Arabia. Apparently the chances of a Burqa worn in Australia is less than that in France, where it is banned - the chances are :00003% of coming across one. It is not a requirement of Islam, which asks only that women "dress modestly". Peony? "There is no such thing as a free society"? Should we not be working towards that in any way we can? Free to worship? Free to dress as we wish?(provided it is reasonably modest)? BTW - this comes from an old Atheist!
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:43pm
    The accompanying picture is neither a Burqa nor a Niqab. It is Hijab.
    Ban the Burqa & the Niqab. Allow the Hijab.
    My profile pic shows a Burqa - does not comply with Australian laws when worn in certain public places.
    Poppysmum
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:27pm
    Sorry Fliss - every picture of the Hijab I have seen shows the face to below the chin?Every picture of the Niqab I have seen covers the face up to the eyes.
    Young
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:14pm
    What I heard Tony Abbott say on TV.was that he found the wearing of the burqa confronting but it was not the job of the government to tell people what to wear.The media has taken part of his statement to beat up an issue to suit them.
    Gee Whiz
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:17pm
    As the media always does.
    EELS
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:02pm
    Same old, same old!
    Precious 1
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:50pm
    Only you then Billy eh
    particolor
    7th Oct 2014
    9:53pm
    Ring the Department of We Don't Give A Stuff, and complain !!
    Gee Whiz
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:15pm
    Ban the burqa? Yes! Bring back the mini skirt.
    Capn Dan
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:25pm
    Now there is a good idea!
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:28pm
    HEAR !! HEAR !!! And HOT PANTS !! YAY !!!!
    Kato
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:57pm
    in the sixties the gals wore crocheted bikinis, maybe they could do the same with Burqua's. No complaints then:)
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:16pm
    I'll go topless!
    Hasbeen
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:15pm
    Sometimes lefties do make fools of themselves in their efforts to put Abbott down.

    I fail to see how Abbott wearing speedos in the capacity of a life saver is in any way similar to a woman wearing a burqa in parliament house. If he was wearing speedos in parliament house, at other than some special event, there would be some similarity, although speedos do not do much to hide the wearers identity. But on the beach?

    Sometimes those trying to make a fool of others make a fool of no one but themselves.
    Capn Dan
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:24pm
    Correct!
    Jude
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:12pm
    Ditto!
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:18pm
    Whilst I agree with you Hasbeen I may not agree with your support of the indefensible: the Abbott government. Good luck with that one.
    Young
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:19pm
    The burqa alienates them even more from us.
    If they truly want to assimilate then remove the burqa and let us see and talk to you.You are cutting yourselves off from us.
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:20pm
    The whole point Billy is that THEY DO NOT CARE. I fail to be convinced that Islamic people want a bar of anyone who is not of their religion and anyone who is not of their culture.
    corona
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:23pm
    are the government going to ban Halloweens too, pity the children's scare all this face covering....
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:43pm
    Cigar Smoke Clouding Your face is next !!
    mangomick
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:26pm
    Not a great fan of Abbott but I thought his comments were fair enough. Think the press, like he said ,are making a mountain out of a molehill and while many city people may see women wearing a Burqua or niqab and be comfortable with it, for rural, regional or city people who don't see it very often, when you first see it, Yes, it can be quite confronting. But hey when I first went to Townsville as a teen in the Armed Forces I had never seen an Aboriginal person before in my life and for one to open the phone box late at night to ask if I had a smoke that was a bit confronting also.But it isn't any longer as it's what you get used to. Politicians need to remember though that religious aspects of a persons life in Australia do not or ever should ,over rule basic Australian laws or allow changes to be made to our laws to appease any minority group. I think a precedent may have already been made allowing Sikhs to ride motor bikes without a helmet on religious grounds.Guess the moral will be if you want to circumvent a law start your own religion.
    Young Simmo
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:26pm
    I agree 100% with Tony Abbot. It's the same as Motor Cycle Riders not being allowed to wear crash helmets into banks. If a female can wear a burqa with a full dress down to the ground, why can't a suicide bomber do you same.
    All you nut cases disagreeing with Tony are having a bob each way.
    On the news this morning, 41 School children killed by a suicide bomber.
    IT COULD BE COMING TO A SCHOOL NEAR YOU.
    Think about it.
    Regarding Tony's Budgies, he is showing MORE not LESS. That makes him more honest.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:40pm
    SEE !! Nothing up My Sleeve !!
    Bullwinkle ...
    mangomick
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:35pm
    And once we get rid of the burqua we can start getting rid of beards.
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:51pm
    good idea! do we really need men with shaved heads, crocheted skull caps, long beards, dressed in their night shirts? A great export item!
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:25pm
    Beards do not hide identity. Burqas and the like do. Add to that Australians feel uncomfortable and covering up in this way is a sign of the subjugation of women.
    We do not need this sort of garb in this country and I agree with the French on this issue. They banned them. End of problem. End of discussion. So what is wrong in this country when we cannot reach a consensus and make a sensible decision?
    stdimaga
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:36pm
    Personally I like to see someone's face when holding a conversation.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:38pm
    And a Low Cut Dress !!
    Fready
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:39pm
    Look at the mess we have as a result of our political clowns allowing muslims into this country. They say we would be looked down upon by other countries if we banned muslims, but they are banned from Japan and nobody thinks any less of Japan. We now have to live with the equivalent of a 5th column in our country. Not all muslims are terrorists , but most modern day terrorists are muslim.
    fair-go
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:47pm
    Dammit Fready, I was just about to post those words. STOP reading my mind :D
    That is the most realistic fact which not one person on this earth can ever deny or dispute. A very very sad fact but still a fact.
    Hoogie
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:39pm
    Common sense must prevail ! Yes but isn't it common sense for me to feel safe that I can identify a driver wearing a burqa in, say, a motor vehicle accident ! Everyone should be able to be identified when in public. Also, would I be allowed to wear a ski mask to have my passport photo taken? If no, then am I being discriminated against.
    EELS
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:40pm
    It is first and foremost a matter of security. Do people not get it that it could be hiding a bomb which is the potential when the burqa is being worn and you cant see who (male or female) you are dealing with or indeed what is underneath.
    Also it is not Islamophobia which is the usual accusation when a perfectly reasonable query is raised about this sort of thing. The burqa is a cultural thing and not a requirement of the Islamic religion.
    Hoogie
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:42pm
    Is it really legal to wear whatever you want in public ? What if I wore nothing but a G string - would that be allowed ?
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:16pm
    Now that is a Small Burqa !! And May be quiet Permissible ??
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:26pm
    That's one way to get stoned Alvin.

    2nd Oct 2014
    1:47pm
    The burqa is a sign of oppression of women - who belong to an oppressive religion, that is not actually a religion at all!

    Islam is a CULTURE of restrictions of personal freedoms!!

    These Islamic people come to Australia to live as AUSTRALIANS, they need to observe OUR dress customs!

    Why do OUR women NEED to wear a burqa when THEY go to a fundamentalist ISLAMIC COUNTRY??

    If these Islamic women feel the need to wear a burqa at all times, they can go straight back to the country they came from!

    It's their choice! - which is a lot more choices than they get in a Fundamentalist Islamic country!!

    ONYA FRANCE!! Show the rest of the world the way!
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:27pm
    Yes.
    SuzeB
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:47pm
    Forget the burqa! Frankly, I'd take a wide berth around anyone with their identity hidden. The whole thing makes a joke of CCTV cameras and other attempts to identify threats to our safety if all I have to do to beat them is cover my face.
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:50pm
    Drew: politically correct folk normally cause more harm than good. Your position is noted but you fail to understand that the way of life you are advocating is not in the Australian psyche. Australians DO NOT GO AROUND WITH THEIR FACES HIDDEN and whilst generally not harming anybody we need to be careful that we import people who complement us, not displace us.
    The ban of burqas in parliament is not too dissimilar to going into a bank. Who knows who or what is under the garb. The calls from the politically correct are ill founded.
    Adrianus
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:47pm
    What's the difference between going into a bank and walking down the street?
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:07pm
    You only find the Odd 5 and 10 cent piece while walking down the street !!
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:29pm
    Exactly Frank. There should be no difference.
    Sconny
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:52pm
    I personally find the wearing of Burkha offensive and alien and a constant reminder of a f...d up so called religion which denigrates women to make them 2nd class. A religion where girls because they are girls are threatened and often murdered for daring to want to be educated. This 'religion' is a malignant cancer within our society and the burkha a reminder of that malignancy. Goddam those politicians and bleeding hearts who have allowed this malignancy to grow unchecked. Typical of Abbott to want to protect the rat house which is federal parliament while the rest of us can go and get stuffed....
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:42pm
    Settle Down !! They call Him Infidel Abbott Too !!
    Masonite
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:56pm
    I am sad that there are so many people who are prepared to make comment without the slightest bit of evidence. I give up. Bigots will be bigots despite the evidence.
    EELS
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:24pm
    Always the 'B' word comes up. I take offence to that word being used whenever one is speaking the truth as one sees it. Calling names is always the weapon of choice for left leaning 'good' people.
    Adrianus
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:54pm
    I think so too EELS!! Why is it Bigotry to express an opinion about the behaviour of a group of people?
    Masonite don't give up. Produce the evidence you speak of?
    fair-go
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:29pm
    It's people who just have to be moral who will disappear when the crap hits the fan and, it will. Yes, we must tolerate each other but not at the expense of our national safety. The moment one of those sick dogs (I'm talking about those who use religion as an excuse) beheaded the first person, my cares about being politically correct and giving a damn about who is offended, definitely came to an end. It's Australia or nothing.
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:37pm
    Absolutely Fair-go! . . . . . and agree EELS & Frank. So called "Political Correctness" is what has us to the sad stage we are at now. Ban the damn Burqa & Niqab in Australia.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:28pm
    I think they have woken up to You Masonite ?? And have decided to use Jarrah Floor boards instead !!
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:34pm
    So it seems, Masonite - more's the pity.
    MacI
    4th Oct 2014
    5:09pm
    A definition of a bigot is "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    5:58pm
    EXACTLY !! Which Explains Why we are Called an Infidels by them ! Now Who's the Racist ??..Not Me I couldn't care less What They Do ! Except leave our Food Alone ! If You don't like it DONT EAT IT !! Make Your own Islamite and I promise I wont go near it !!
    miss aisle
    5th Oct 2014
    12:58pm
    Absolutely ! particolor
    BanFanatics
    2nd Oct 2014
    1:57pm
    Ban the BURQA? Hell yeah totally ban it!
    The Australian government (whoever labour or liberal who knows) made a huge mistake many years ago, when in their immigration policies, they did not enter a condition that states - if you want to become an Australian, you have to respect and conform to our culture and our way of life. If I go to one of their war torn countries where they escaped from, I would no doubt be beheaded if I didn't wear a burqa. I'm not Muslim but I have to abide by their stupid rules, even if it contradicts and undermines my own religion.
    So it is fair and politically correct for any western nation to put a ban in force on any EXTREME RELIGIOUS FANATICISM. I have a right to see the face of who is walking past me, especially as they can see my face. You cant even tell if they are male or female. We cannot allow our beautiful free culture and happy country to be ruined by these fanatics. If they don't want to change they should be sent back to their caves. Australia is not an ISLAM country and Australians do not want this perfect country to be ruined. Unfortunately it already has. All the poor girls with a beautiful name Isis, what now they can't keep their name. This is disgraceful and ridiculous. We are being taken over by these maniacs and we are supposed to respect their culture??? As If.
    The fact that we support HALAL prepared food is outrageous. HALAL is completely inhumane way of killing animals and I'm disgusted that our food is labelled as such and that we support it.. Thank God I'm a vegetarian.
    If Muslims want to be a part of our community (which they don't), then they have to drop the bullshit and live like us. We all have some religious or spiritual beliefs but we don't force it on the rest of the world. Wear your stupid burqas at home and stop insulting the western lifestyle and insulting and degrading women. Everybody should remember that they still practice womens circumcision in ISLAM countries. Women are still treated like shit and the stupid fanatics think that if they torture and abuse and kill our people that they will get 7 virgins!!! Good luck with that one you stupid morons.
    If the Muslim women in Turkey can dress normally then the Australian women can do the same. No excuses - get the stupid sheets of your head and join civilization, or go back to your wore torn hell holes and leave Australia alone.
    Poppysmum
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:23pm
    Re your comment about Halal - please go to the RSPCA webpage and look at their report on Halal - Halal means "permissable" - it is ok for the animal to be stunned first before being bled out - and HALAL must say God's name when killing the animal because God gave the animal life and we are taking that life. Anyone of any faith can kill the animal in a halal manner. If the animal is mistreated in anyway, during transport or breeding, then that animal is NOT Halal. I am not a Muslim, but over the last few days I have taken it upon myself to become EDUCATED in their culture.
    BanFanatics
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:41pm
    You think you are educated. I would NEVER kill an animal and certainly not worship a form of torture to any animal. I am glad that I do not need to eat animals that have been tortured to death and I sleep in peace. And I dont need to use some fanatical cult as an excuse to be a total lunatic. You don't have a clue. If these maniacs can just get an innocent and behead them for no reason and then post it on the internet in pride, do you really think they give a rats ass about how an animal is being treated???!!! Get real.
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:22pm
    Banfanatics I totally agree with you, they need to INTEGRATE but of course they have no intention of doing so and can only whine about being victimised. I want to see people face to face so they need to take the NIQAB or BURKA off in public, ALL PLACES not just parliament. I loathe Abbott, but he is right this time, it is confronting. France, Belgium and now the Netherlands have all banned this attire. If they want to wear the HIJAB and be covered from head to toe that's fine BUT NO FACE COVERING.t If they don't I'm quite happy if they pack their bags, (born here or not) and go in live in the middle east under sharia law. As you said AUSTRALIA IS NOT AN MUSLIM COUNTRY AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE!! These cockroaches have already infiltrated too far; our politicians are too politically correct; look what these people have done to Britain and Western Europe; are we too stupid to see the writing on the wall!
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:02pm
    Er Duh ??
    ming chew
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:00pm
    Drew, rebut on or over the topic. What has speedos got to do with burkas? My contention if anyone has a tooth to pick, try asking yourself first : will my article sell in the tabloid? YES then compromise on your principles.
    Drew
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:26pm
    The speedo reference found its way into my discussion due to the Deputy Leader of the Australian Greens photo on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/Adam.Bandt.MP/photos/a.150546688313906.24363.150300238338551/760105907357978/?type=1&theater
    MICK
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:31pm
    You need to wear speedos whilst writing your next story Drew.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:35am
    Adam Bandt's attempt to bring sexism into an argument on national security just epitomises the Green's hypocritical and tenuous position.
    MICK
    4th Oct 2014
    8:30pm
    They are All prostituting themselves in order to get Muslim votes. It is sick. Bandt is by no means alone in this bit of sabre rattling.
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:07pm
    Ban the burqa & the niqab. Allow the hijab.
    Suze
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:28pm
    You are right there Fliss
    The picture Drew has put up is not a Burqa
    Not Senile Yet!
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:13pm
    Religion does not prevail over Australian Law!
    Never Has ...Never Will!!
    It is a requirement to be identifiable in a Public Space to any authority enforcing the Law......plus be able to produce I.D. ....this is done in the name of providing safe Public Spaces and transport!
    It has nothing to do with religion....even Motor cyclists have to remove their Helmets when not riding.
    The Burqa is a form of FUL Facial concealment and has no place in Australian Society. Wearing it in public is an insult and snub to our Laws and Society structure. We need to make it quite clear that the open faced hajib is quite acceptable because it complies with our Law enforcement's requirements of being identifiable.....it not about religion...in Australia the NO Religion is above the Law!!!
    I have met many women wearing the Hajib and they freely admit that they would not wear a Burqa as they consider it too extreme for our Country! The Hajib is quite acceptable....remember that we have Police Officers wearing the Hajib.....!!!!
    Face concealment by masks etc is not acceptable in Western Society, just as Minnie Skirts are not acceptable in Muslim Countries.
    This is more about respecting the Laws of the Country YOU CHOOSE to live in than about Religion or Political Correctness!!!
    If a referendum was taken...the burqa would be banned...but not the open Hajib. If you want RESPECT...first you have to Give it to receive it!!! And that applies to all religions within Australia!!!
    Paddles
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:17pm
    I don't know what the precise significance of particular garments is in the Islamic faith but I am not moved by the complaints of discrimination or marginalisation that Muslim "leaders" constantly trot out.

    Our society has a very wide spectrum of dress from the ultra hippy to the ultra conservative, with most of us falling somewhere in between but the Muslim community needs to accept that their burkha , chador etc is completely alien to our heritage and will always draw attention.

    That is not to say that I approve of insults or threats to those who choose to dress in that fashion but they must realise that they cannot, in Australia, have it both ways. Let them honour their religious constraints by all means but they should know that it will always typecast them and from that, there may be some unsavoury connotations drawn.
    Miss Elizabeth
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:21pm
    I do not think that the burqa should be worn in Australia, not only because of identification issues but because, I believe, it is antisocial. I live in an area which has a high population of Muslims. We enjoy a great cultural mix of shops, restaurants, events, etc. I have warm interactions with neighbours and women I encounter in the public arena who wear the hijab and other garments where the face is exposed. With the women I don't know well enough to have a conversation or chat with, we are able to communicate through a smile and other facial expressions which have multiple meanings. I feel confronted by a woman wearing the burqa. It feels like a barrier to me. I Interestingly, I have a friend who teaches in an environment where many women wear the burqa. She is unfazed. I wonder if that is because she has the opportunity to get to know these women.
    Fayzer
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:26pm
    I fully support any male swimmer wearing the Speedo swimwear designed to allow the swimmer to swim the appropriate distances which our Prime Minister and other fit Australian are capable of. Wearing board shorts for long distance swimming just doesn't make sense.
    As for the wearing of a Burqa, given the lack of ability to describe a person if required to do so, I believe these items of clothing should be best kept for the Byzantine era they came from, or for wearing in private; definitely not in Parliament, banks or stores.
    Brissiegirl
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:31pm
    When people want to live in a western democracy, they should adopt the culture and ways or why come here in the first place? Australian culture means that we assess people's intent and purpose from facial expression. I had to remove my small hat when I went into a public area so the CC t.v. could record who I was. If it is good enough for me - an Australian taxpayer - to comply with regulations that are put in place for security reasons - it is good enough for those who want to think their religion trumps our laws.
    BanFanatics
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:43pm
    Exactly
    Precious 1
    2nd Oct 2014
    2:53pm
    Well the one big thing I would give a million dollars to know is....why did and do all these mid eastern people start emigrating to Australia by leaps and bounds ...were they pushed here...as some say to me they going to change us and make us wear the burqua etc, take over our governing etc etc etc many have already said this to many of my friends already,,any answers to this...we have a Christian country nothing to do with islam muslims or the like what is so particular about coming here etc etc unless they have an agenda.they have their own schools, bank, clothing trying to put mosques up swhere they trhy to.......
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:04am
    Precious 1, They came with camels during the 1860's and mostly settled in SA and the Alice. Although Muslims/Islamists came from various countries they were all called Afghans. Some went with the burke and Wills expedition because they were master cameleers. When the railway was built it was named "The Ghan" in their honour.
    Times have changed as they invariably have a habit of doing. Word got out that Australians don't care much for their own traditions and changed the laws to facilitate a peaceful takeover on its way to acceptance of a new world order. A single Global Ruler. Bob Brown's mantra.
    The Political game was compromised, border security was weakened, while the Immigration Department was infiltrated to facilitate an influx of Islamists. Not public knowledge at the time but according to a Fairfax report on leaked confidential information from Immigration, around 200,000 Islamists arrived during the period 2008 - 2013.
    Please make the cheque payable to "Frank" thanks.
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    1:20am
    I would be pretty sure that 99% of illegal boat people are muslims, that's a good enough reason to keep them in detention
    Precious 1
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:00pm
    I read awhile ago that one Arab had sired 195 children and still going......how intimidating is that..I knew they like 10 or more and when that wife worn out another virgin is brought into the marriages stakes and so on.......
    BanFanatics
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:46pm
    They are disgusting and should be castrated. Bring back the Aztecs - where women RULED.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:52pm
    There was a Documentary on it actually ! I don't know if it is still about ?? Probably not ? And The Galah was so proud of the fact too !!..
    mangomick
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:06pm
    Funny you know, when the English migrants came they were the bloody 10 pound poms, then the Italian and Greek migrants came and they were the "lousy Wogs and Dagoes "coming to take our jobs Then the Vietnamese boat people came and they were the "bloody gooks" And of course you hear the whinging about the "curry munchers and chinks and now people from the Middle East are arriving "towel heads" I think I have heard people calling them and the same old hatreds that have been around since white fella first came to this country are coming out because they are different. Makes you wonder how we ever got the reputation as the country with the best model of multi- cultural society in the world.And everyone you speak to will say, Bigot no not me. Kind of makes you want to hang your head in shame.
    Poppysmum
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:33pm
    Sooooo with you mangomick - ever since this debate started I have tried to learn about the Muslim culture by joining facebook groups of Australian non-Muslims who support and want to learn from Australian Muslims. I have learnt so much, just as I learnt from every generation of migrants you mention above. And yes, I agree with you, hang our heads in shame at the way we treat our Aborigines and our migrants. To get rid of your fears, stop talking, and start learning.
    BanFanatics
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:09pm
    Get rid of your fears??!! Get your head out of the sand. I was born and raised in Australia, and when I was going to school. the only religions taught were catholic or church of england. If youwere anything else youwere welcome to participate in either or neither. Nobody shoved their fanaticism in your face and it was safe to walk the streets of sydney and without any hooded idiots walking around to make us feel like we're in the middle east. That was in the 70's. By the time we got to the 80's, the changes were already very obvious, and that the MUSLIMS were already changing our free and easy culture. This was evident when my flatmate and I went shopping in Woolworths after being at the beach. we were wearing typical summer aussie clothes, shorts and singlet with our swimmers underneath. We walked into Woolworths and were made to feel like total sluts by the Burqa wearing Greek women who were shopping there. I'm in my country living the beach lifestyle and get judged by these stupid women who refuse to get with the program and stand up for their rights. I am told that you cannot shop in the streets of Campsie anymore unless you are wearing a Burqa. Well Im going to be visiting Campsie very soon with my see through burqa and bikini.
    Now we live in fear of terrorism by this very CULT
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:51pm
    Agree with the points you make Mangomick.....
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    4:02pm
    Geez BanFanatics, unsure who told you

    'that you cannot shop in the streets of Campsie anymore unless you are wearing a Burqa'

    and usually strive to stay abreast of news and current affairs but this is certainly news to me.....

    Surprised the media, shock jocks, ACA, Lateline, 7.30 Report etc. haven't been all over big news like this given the current sensitivities.....
    Adrianus
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:16pm
    Drew, I notice your picture of the 2 Burqas was replaced by a multi layered niqab.
    What are we talking about here?
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:29pm
    Does Drew wear a burka?
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:34pm
    Yes and Speedo's ! What a sight He made down the beach Yesterdy !! Shooing the Thieving Seagulls of His Vegemite Sao !!
    Harmony
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:28pm
    It never fails to amaze me how when folk want to scream discrimination they choose to ignore the obvious. Why should it be such an issue for the police/security/military or anyone else entrusted to keep Australians safe to ask for your facial features to be revealed. No one is asking for the Burqa not to be worn where it does create identification and security assessment. As a visitor to Asian and African countries I have been asked to cover my head, as a woman not to work long trousers or shorts (my thighs should be covered even though my breasts could be fully revealed). This was not for security but purely because 'Men' dictated the rules. I have also known men entering Malawi be refused entry because there hair touched their shirt collar. When in Rome do as the Romans do. When families choose to immigrate to Australia they know things are different here to where they came from and they obviously did not find it a big enough problem (not wearing the Burqa) to prevent them choosing to come here. I embrace all nationalities and as an immigrant myself I knew I would have to adjust and embrace the Australian way of life. I have and have never been happier. Finally I think commenting on the Primeminister's attire when he is on the beach is most disrespectfuly and petty sniping! After all he is trying to ensure you country is safe and secure

    2nd Oct 2014
    3:29pm
    Just ban all clothing.

    Most people have no fashion sense anyway.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:09pm
    Yes !! And thieving Seagulls don't give a Bugger what You are Wearing ! They just want Yer Bloody Chips !!
    Tezza
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:30pm
    If you have something that you are proud of, flaunt it. viz. Tony's Speedos. If you have something that is visually offensive and an embarrassment to the superior male, hide it viz. The Burqa. How stupid are those males who have 2 or more Burqa clad slaves. It must be like a lucky dip and you don't know what you are getting until it is unwrapped at home. They keep trying for the jackpot. In Australia the men have one female partner and if necessary, use the 'brown paper bag'. The hijab is very stylish and is usually worn by smiling females with discreet makeup. No different to the veils etc worn by RC nuns in the past.
    EELS
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:24pm
    The crucial words in your comment were "in the past" .
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:42pm
    In the past we had Fire Crackers too ! But they kept Hurting people ! So they Banned them ??
    geomac
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:39pm
    Its all a Bernardi dog whistle but thats about all he contributes to politics. As Drew has pointed out there are already provisions and protocol for removal of facial covering if required at business or agencies. Pity Bernardi is quiet on ped priests as that could get some headlines as well.
    Jude
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:40pm
    Couldn't agree more with the PM - time Australians stopped pussyfooting around this issue. You cannot see the face - end of story!
    justme
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:42pm
    So called political correctness actually "hurts"the people do-gooders are trying to protect. It shelters them from reality.
    Also, as I understand it derisive comments about Tony Abbot's speedo's are uninformed as it is a Lifesavers beach duty uniform.
    Most people have valid points in there comments but political correctness and other uninformed comments kill there argument.
    niemakawa
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:46pm
    Yeah!!
    Ray
    2nd Oct 2014
    3:54pm
    Salman Rushdie identified the Burqa and Hijab as symbols of Second Class people regarding rights and privileges in his country and believes the wearing of them should be abolished. Being ALL PEOPLE are considered EQUAL with Equal rights in AUSTRALIA there should be no garb worn that identifies people in a second class position in Australian Society.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:44pm
    My Singlet Stubbies and thongs just went out the window !!
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:00pm
    Drew .. If I got off the Plane wearing a Sweet little Pleated Number and Pom Pom Slippers !
    And told them I was Greek ! I would be arrested on the Spot and put in a Psychiatric Ward ??
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:45pm
    I'm surprised you're not a patient already
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:58pm
    I never had enough American Health Insurance so they left Me on the Street !!
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:08pm
    And putcha Burqa back on Yer Ugly !!
    Alula
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:02pm
    There's a sub-agenda here of men dictating what they want women to wear, or not. We know "Australian-ness" involves men ogling women, women fussing over their appearance so as to be attractive to men (and hereby spending far more money than they need), girls with life-threatening disorders because of body image problems. This to the extent that older, or fatter, or plainer women have to be brave to go on the beach in a swimsuit, eg. Perhaps the voluntary wearing of the burqa or of head covering is a reaction to this age-old culture of male perving? Has anyone stopped to talk to a woman wearing such covering? To see what their views are on security issues? For one, I find the flaunting of bodies barely covered or in revealing fabrics confronting, except while swimming.
    BanFanatics
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:22pm
    I am a woman and I know Muslim women who do not wear burqas and they blend in just fine. Their husbands are also Muslim and they do not have an issue with their wives showing their hair or faces, and even allow them to look 'sexy'. Women in Turkey do not have to conform, so why are the Aussie Muslims determine so stupid. Nobody has to dress like a slut, but we do need to blend in. I dye my hair weird colours and that is offensive if i am working in an office environment. Nobody will employ me with pink hair, but if I said it was because my religion requires me to have pink hair - would that make a difference? I have worked with Muslims who are permitted to have 3 hour lunch breaks so they can go and pray!! I never got permission to have 3 hour lunch breaks and I did a much better job and was much more productive - and they got paid more than me. Wow we have done well in Australia to alienate our own people
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:12am
    BanFanatics you are simply rejecting change.
    When you come to your senses you will realise it's better to have pink hair on religious grounds and pray for a 3 hour lunch break. The roll of us convicts and fellow poms who followed in subsequent years was to prepare the Indigenous and the indifferent for this next change.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:26am
    Already there are 1100 Aboriginal Muslims in Australia. The Australian Muslim population is growing at more than twice the rate of the entire population.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:54pm
    Any Wonder !! The Three Hour lunch Break would suit them to a Tee !!
    BanFanatics
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:42pm
    So Frank, you must be one of them with that attitude. But you are correct I am definitely rejecting the changes that these fanatical lunatics have inflicted on our free living happy go lucky culture. I have never ever felt frightened or threatened in my own country and now its been ruined. I only believe in changes that improve our lives, NOT destroy lives. We have a right to protect our culture and its our politicians who have failed Australians and Australia by allowing these cockroaches into our beautiful country in the first place. If you cannot live like an Australian and you cannot conform to the country's culture, then get the hell out of here and leave us in peace. We don't need any more trouble makers here. Its bad enough that many of these so called good Muslims are bikie gang leaders as well. They got all bases covered. Frank get your head out of your derriere!
    MICK
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:36pm
    Are you on drugs Frank? Don't answer that.
    Suze
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:03pm
    Whether it's the burqa or helmet, ski mask or balaclava it needs to be banned whilst in a public place. This is a security issue and all people need to be able to be identified. If people want to wear masks or burqa in their homes then that's okay but it's not okay in public. It's not racist or anything against Muslims as many people are saying it's merely a identification issue. It's not comparable to crosses or speedo's because these things do not make people unidentifiable.
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:16pm
    Yep! You got it Suze! Absolutely correct!
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:23pm
    And in many cases it is Too Much Information !!
    Fready
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:11pm
    For those above wondering why these people come here I will tell you that they move to countries with generous social security systems . In those countries they can breed without working. Their numbers will eventually allow them to take over the political system without a fight as has happened in several European countries where they still don't have the numbers to rule in their own right, but have the balance of power, much like the PUP in Australia. I read the other day that with their large families they qualify for a carer (usually a close relative) and that as a result some families are getting $3000 per week from the system.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:21pm
    Yes but don't tell anyone will You ??
    Tezza
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:29pm
    Ah! but Freddy, they will be buggered when there are more taking from the system than there are workers to provide. They will then create their different factions and start wiping out each other. Democracy will be a thing of the past and there will only be them and China. China will have them over a barrel. Buddah Akba !
    Tezza
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:29pm
    Ah! but Freddy, they will be buggered when there are more taking from the system than there are workers to provide. They will then create their different factions and start wiping out each other. Democracy will be a thing of the past and there will only be them and China. China will have them over a barrel. Buddah Akba !
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:31pm
    I read that as well Fready. An absolute rort! A recently arrested Muslim here in Aust. had been on social security for 19 years! Collected over a million dollars! When will Aussies put political correctness aside & put a stop to this?
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:47pm
    Fliss that's over $52,000 pa. Must have included all the benefits. What about his 4 wives? Did they get the same or more I guess if they had children.
    MICK
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:38pm
    You mean Fready that these people only want us for our money? What cads.
    Alula
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:38pm
    Burqa debate: Jacqui Lambie goes head-to-head with female Islamic leader on Sunrise

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/burqa-debate-jacqui-lambie-goes-headtohead-with-female-islamic-leader-on-sunrise-20141002-10ozui.html#ixzz3Ey0ZN5Aj
    Valhalla
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:42pm
    The parliamentarians are looking after themselves and putting us at risk -the Burqa has no place in our freedom loving society -it is not a religious symbol as some make out -to me an Australian woman it represents a woman in a black bag -a prisoner -a nonentity -it is very confronting -and frightening to children -whilst it is allowed to be worn it will always be a subject of contention between -them and us and will never be accepted by Australian women -no face covering should be allowed -bike helmets -balaclava's-hoodies -burqa's -anywhere in public due to the world situation today-and it leaves open the same situation where this burqa clad woman accused and lied saying this policeman had tried to rip her burqa from her face -only that it was recorded on video that man would have lost his job-good name and reputation -no -no to the burqa.
    Old Digger
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:44pm
    The ban is fair and overdue. It should apply to everywhere in public. Ataturk (I think that is how it's spelled) the father of Turkey decreed that only prostitutes should wear the burka, we should follow suit!
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:26pm
    What ? And become Prostitutes ! Well that's one way to boost our Pensions !!
    Young Simmo
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:49pm
    WOW I just got in from a shopping trip and there is 104 E-mails. I think we can assume that "BAN THE BURQA" is the popular opinion, so let's get on with it and clean this place up.
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    4:52pm
    meet any sexy women in burkas on your trip ?
    Young Simmo
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:04pm
    Well this has been a very enlightening discussion, I have always thought that women wore Burqas because they were ugly, and didn't want to frighten children.
    You learn something new every day.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:17pm
    No its to stop Sand Blowing in their face in Parliament I think From what I've Heard on the Radio today ??
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:38pm
    you've led a sheltered life Simmo

    some of them a GORGEOUS
    Young Simmo
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:27pm
    OK Superman, where did you get your x-ray vision?
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:59pm
    And completely clean shaven.

    no x ray vision - just my great personality
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    7:42pm
    I hope Your not eating a Bacon Roll while commenting here ??
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    7:43pm
    only when i have my nose in the trough

    get you mind out of the gutter parti
    Young Simmo
    2nd Oct 2014
    10:51pm
    OK 258 comments, this one has gone stale, time to hit the kill button.
    With all these comments blocking my in box and the Lotteries Commission could be trying to contact me asking where I want my 1st Div deposited, Bye, Bye.
    Young Simmo
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:31pm
    OK it is now 12 hrs since my last couple of words and no e-mail from the Lotteries commission. I think they are a mob of thieves or at least they can't count.
    I think I might put on my Burqa and go down to the bank and collect my first prize in person.
    Hey particolor, will you come down with me and stand guard at the door?
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:23pm
    Defiantly not !! It would be just My luck to be the first one Shot Straight between the Eyeballs Through the Letter Box in My Hijab or Burka Thingy !..
    I think the Newsagent Should be Sued for Selling Lottery Tickets that do not Win ??.
    BLNT !!.... Better Luck Next Time !!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    5:00pm
    Simmo its 415 now !! I think all the People that were called Bigots and Infidels and worse on here Like this one ??.. I came back and Had to knock 96 Comments out !!
    Young Simmo
    3rd Oct 2014
    5:57pm
    Yeh particolor, I am a 100% in favour of banning the Burqa. I am not quite sure whether they want to hide ugly features, or are scared of getting pinched for stealing a packet of chewie's from Woollies. But why else would you want to wrap a piece of rag around your head. If somebody can give me a good reason I might change my mind.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    6:22pm
    Simmo You can Hide a Dozen Frozen Fowls under one of those Nighties ! And the Cameras cant see who you are ??
    Davymac
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:27pm
    There is no place for a burqa in the Australian public arena.
    There are alternatives,used by many, that are both suitable and attractive. If a person wishes to wear a burqa in their own home so be it but not in public.
    Reasons:
    Wearing this habbit while driving limits the view of the driver causing risk.
    Wearing this habbit in shopping centres has proven to be a risk for other shoppers(small children and elderly rudely bumped and at risk) because the wearer can not see properly.
    Just as big a risk as Bike helmets and face masks in banks, post offices and night shopping where open identification is important.
    I certainly would not buy from a person wearing a burqa because for all I know the person may be diseased and a risk to health (Leprosy)
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:33pm
    I thought I saw a Seal Drive past the other day ??
    guyra2
    2nd Oct 2014
    5:28pm
    This isn't a decision lightly taken...its an issue forced upon us by those using this Item of clothing to hide their true identity either male or female.
    Terrorism knows no respect for custom or creed ...If we were as uncivilized as the instigators
    of the emotional attacks on all things we have been taught.
    Recognise the things they fear and despise the most...The reference to their Koran
    as an unrecognizable untruth.......the adequote use of anything even remotely associated
    with pork...Savagery I know...but the only measure any of them truly recognise
    Rob B
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:07pm
    The Green MP is not from this planet when she says that if the burqa covered person passes through security to enter parliament, they should not be sent to sit behind the glass. Well let me remind her that the 9/11 terrorists all passed through airport security and look what happened. Better safe that dead.
    Rob B
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:09pm
    Happy cyclist is an idiot cyclist for such a stupid response - he should be banned from riding on the road.
    Gwenwiver
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:12pm
    Having worked in situations where young Muslim women wear the hijab, or head scarf I can only say how attractive the young Muslim women look. Their hijabs are the height of fashion and by framing their faces they make the girls look quite beautiful. I do find it disconcerting to engage with someone wearing the Niqab but can handle it with practice. I don't think I have ever engaged with anyone wearing a Burqa. For security reasons I believe there should be a requirement that someone, in authority, to ascertain the identity of the person with any type of face cover.
    Stoney
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:22pm
    A burqa is the same as a mask, or balaclava, which are worn to disguise the wearer's identity. It's my belief that when police are confronted by people wearing masks or balaclavas especially in protest situations, their instructions should be to shoot to kill. Maybe there's a difference, but I can't see it, as many suicide bombers overseas have apparently been men disguised by a burqa. Certainly, if I see anyone in a burqa in a shopping centre for example, I leave immediately, and I would do the same in a cinema or anywhere else where crowds gather.
    Maggie
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:23pm
    covering the HAIR, is part of the Religion (as far as I can make out in Q'uran. Apparently it is so sensual (hair?) it should only be revealed at home ;to the husband. Covering the whole head including face and in some places ALL body ,in a flowing garment, is just a cultish practice ,within some forms of Islam. and depending where one lives. I agree that one should not have face covered (even if ugly) We have already seen in this country, the mi-use of face covering. in hold ups etc If all those brave?? terrorists/ soldiers are so proud of what they are doing, why do they cover their faces???
    Adrianus
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:46pm
    We need to remember these people came here knowing that we are a tolerant multicultural society. It would be like you going to live in Finland then suddenly the government says we are going nude!! You wouldn't be happy about that would you?
    Anonymous
    2nd Oct 2014
    7:00pm
    I'm ok in the summer months, but even in winter?
    Fliss
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:41pm
    No Frank. Probably not. So I'd respect the right of that country & either abide by their rules or leave. p.s. you really think that most Muslims came here because their research showed "we are a tolerant multi-cultural country"??
    niemakawa
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:43pm
    Where will it all Finnish (sic)
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:31am
    Fliss I honestly think there have been people in Australia promoting the Ozzies overseas as accepting of anything. Particularly on the grounds of race or religion. You only need to hold those 2 cards for a winning hand when playing "logic or Offend."
    It is illegal to offend someone on those grounds isn't it? Would we have been having this Burqa discussion say 2 years ago?
    BanFanatics
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:53pm
    You come to live in Australia you live by our rules and our dress code. if you dont like it get out and go back to your wore torn caves. I am no racist, buut I've seen this coming for over 20 years. Everybody was on about the Asians taking over the world. I always embraced Asians and their influence in this country. They have added a different flavour to our country and it compliments our culture. they did not change our lifestyles or threaten our safety. And then came the influx of Muslims and the building of Mosques and now look at this country. Look what has happened. They simply want to take over and force their shit on us. They wont compromise AT ALL and they are the aliens here. They are lucky to be allowed here, we dont need them, they offer nothing except suck out the system. I HATE CULTS AND GANGS AND THEY ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ONE ON THE PLANET. Wake up Frank, you dont have a clue.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:37pm
    Well I wont be eating Vegemute Anymore !! With AFIC Stamped on it ?? I don't know what's in it now ?? It might be Anti Infidel ?? And Morph Me into something Ghastly and Alien !! and Halal Authority ?? What Authority ?.Go a Bloody way !!
    I'll bet I find nothing in their Country's saying suitable for Australian Infidels.
    I'm Offended !!!!
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    1:44am
    Well said banfanatics! Spot on!
    Gra
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:50pm
    Drew Patchell doesn't like seeing Tony Abbott in speedos because it makes him so conscious of his own obesity. If he is going to criticize the PM for his stance on the burqua, then perhaps he should familiarize himself with the garment in question. The item of clothing pictured is NOT a burqua, a burqua fully covers the face and body. That is the whole crux of the matter.
    If people want to wear the burqua by all means, let them, but let them do it in another country.
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    7:27pm
    A lot of these Novels Have the same Surprize Ending ??
    geomac
    2nd Oct 2014
    7:42pm
    Abbo has a stance on the burqua ? Sounded to me like his usual two bob each way.
    nas43n
    2nd Oct 2014
    6:56pm
    I can see racism and religious intolerance is being expressed here rather in a disgusting manner. People should be able to wear what are comfortable with especially if subject to religious instruction. Australia as a true democratic society should be able to integrate all of other different cultures with tolerance and understanding.
    I know as a matter of fact in Australia do exist some elements who were influenced by either neo-Nazi or Zionist agenda. These both should be refuted from our country since they teach hatred and segregation and non-acceptance. These inclinations are truly foreign to us.
    ftnu226ybylc
    2nd Oct 2014
    7:31pm
    Yes I think it's fair as you would not be able to wear a bike helmet into the Parliament, as you can't wear a bike helmet into a bank
    ftnu226ybylc
    2nd Oct 2014
    7:42pm
    Any idiot complaining about the Prime minister wearing swimming togs at the beach needs their heads read. We have been wearing togs forever. Wake up.
    Jude
    3rd Oct 2014
    6:14am
    Hear Hear!
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:35am
    Well said, and it shows the shallow mentality of those in politics who use it as a comparison. One who did , aspires to be our PM....... the Deputy Leader of the Opposition!

    2nd Oct 2014
    7:47pm
    What if you died and went to heaven, and found out that these extremist each with their 40 virgins?
    Would you call satan to come get you ?
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:30pm
    More to the fact Solomon ,Would they Still be Virgins ????
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:42am
    I never know just how many virgins there are waiting? I've heard 7, 72, and now 40.??
    Did it increase to 72 when morale was getting low on the front? I'm having trouble keeping up? WSYTTP?
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:25am
    Of course they are virgins........how could you screw them without a body
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:39am
    I've read 70. What a shock these muslim martyrs are having, & will have -
    No sweet smiles waiting ??
    MICK
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:40pm
    All working girls methinks. Trust you to come up with that sort of a post Solomon.
    FrankC
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:11pm
    I remeber reading a novel many years ago, (60s) about a secret service guy named Patrick Hyde, who had to get out of Pakistan, so he had to wear a full Burqa, so his friend could get him out as a woman. Which goes to show that you never know who is under neath that clothing !
    particolor
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:34pm
    Bugger !!!! You've spoiled the Book now I was gunna read that tonight !! And now I know it was Patrick Jeckle !!
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:50am
    Was that even his real name?

    Who or what my dear Frank?
    Who or what was underneath that clothing?
    lindylou
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:17pm
    When it comes down to it, Bike riders' helmets MUST be removed for security in banks and other public places . What is the difference? Religion? Why not find some other form of discretion for possible public appearances? If some are already required to remove headwear, then it should be the same for all, in situations where security and safety are paramount. The key word here is that Muslims tend to avoid mixing in with large groups of the rest of our citizens. We are all Australians, yes, but by not participating in the life of the majority, they emphasise the differences. Just in case it's thought that I am intolerant of others beliefs and creeds, I grew up with, and cherished an uncle who was Muslim, married a migrant, and have many friends of all persuasion and nationalities.
    synergex
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:39pm
    The issues of covered faces in certain secure areas is not an attack on any faith. This issue has been hijacked and not explained well, especially by the PM. I cannot understand why this was turned into an attack on a religion. Kept as a security requirement that all people entering a proscribed area must have their face visible takes any religious connotation out of the equation and precludes the proposal from being an attack on a faith and/or a woman's right to wear any clothing.
    Australia must evolve into a secular society where we have freedom of and freedom FROM religion.
    Irrational religious mythologies have no place when framing and enforcing rational legislation intended for the benefit of a civilised society. Banning covered faces in proscribed areas is not an attack on any faith. If you do not wish to comply do not enter a proscribed area.
    niemakawa
    2nd Oct 2014
    8:41pm
    All is fair in love and war. Muslims know that most Australians find the Burqua confronting and offensive. So they should come to the party and not use them. Muslims as whole need to
    be a little more accommodating to all Australians. Surely that is not too much to ask!
    CindyLou
    2nd Oct 2014
    9:12pm
    Agree
    Olbiddy
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:01pm
    I feel very uneasy about people wearing burqas and niqabs in public, it is nothing to do with religion, and all to do with oppression. I would be happy to see them banned in any public place. To all of you who lamblast Tony Abbott for wearing budgie smugglers at the beach (along with many others), when was the last time you saw him walking down a street in Sydney, or enter Parliament House wearing them?
    Lucky Lady
    2nd Oct 2014
    11:28pm
    This is Australia, the lucky land of peace-loving Australians! Those who have chosen to come here must abide by our 'accepted' dress-rules & Australian laws & acceptable forms of behavior or return to their own original countries if they cannot abide by this wonderful offer! Simple! You have come here 'for a new life' & therefore must make it so! You must swear allegiance to Australia & all it stands for! Therefore Burqas are definitely not an 'acceptable' form of dress here! if you want to/need to wear them still, then 'go home to wherest you came from' you extremely ungrateful people' is what I & lots of other Aussies say! You left your home country due to fear 'of the unknown' so do not force this upon us because of your head-wear! You came here 'for a total change' of residence & so, change of lifestyle & appearance is ensuing... - This is a free society, you have made the change, so go along with it & remove the burqa so you are finally accepted, and not feared here in your new country AUSTRALIA! After all, we do not know it is yo, a woman, behing the Burqa, or a man disguised behind it with machine-gun at hand! So wake up Burqa-wearing women, announce youselves here in Australia & refuse to wear the Burqa! You & we don't want it seen at all here in our beautiful country!
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:27am
    If the govt. won't take a strong stand on this matter, THEN WE
    have to do whatever is necessary !
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:39am
    Lucky Lady, you contradict yourself. "This is a free society" you say, yet you also say "…must abide by our 'accepted' dress-rules…" You use the word "must" twice, and your post is full of orders to those wearing burqas. And pray tell, just what are "our 'accepted' dress-rules"? For some women it would seem to be showing as much skin as possible and dressing like prostitutes.
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:42am
    miss aisle, just what would you do if you "deemed it necessary"?
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:46am
    Alula - you & others would have been fully aware of western countries cultures,
    BEFORE arriving!
    If you did NOT want to join our way of life - SIMPLY DON'T COME! Easy as that.
    Stay in your muslim countries & be happy & leave us happy.
    The word "must" would be used a lot more in your culture than ours!
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:58am
    Oh miss aisle, you assume I'm Muslim :) I'm not, though I have delightful family members who are, including my daughter whom I'm sure you wouldn't recognise as any different from yourself on seeing her in the street. I am born and bred Australian, not quite back to convict days but near enough.
    By the way, you haven't answered my question.
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:04am
    Alula - are implying that I "must" answer your question??
    If you read it again, you will see that that comment speaks for itself.
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:15am
    I''m not saying you must do anything. I'm simply interested in what you mean by your comment:
    "If the govt. won't take a strong stand on this matter, THEN
    WE
    have to do whatever is necessary !"
    miss aisle
    4th Oct 2014
    10:26am
    It obviously means - If one thing fails to give us the right outcome, TRY something
    else!
    mudGecko
    3rd Oct 2014
    12:22am
    Permanent residency, or even an Australian passport, does not make these people Australian. It is a leftist fantasy to state otherwise, part of the inner-city left’s never-ending propaganda to deny our origins and downgrade this country. The simple fact is that, outside the city ghettoes at least, Australia is a Christian country, with essentially British standards of decency and standards; and for this reason is highly sought after as a place to live.

    If any migrants legally live here, and do not seek to destroy their hosts’ way of life, they are welcome, in my view.

    However, militant muslims, or any other ingrates, who seek to insult genuine Australians, their hosts, by setting themselves outside our laws and maintaining their barbarous ways, should not be allowed to enjoy the benefits of living here.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:54am
    Anyone who is not of Indigineous heritage should all get out of this country.

    Stop your arrogant pretensious nonesense and get back to where you came from.

    We were better off without you and we will be better off without you

    Come back when you have something of value to offer this country.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:25am
    36% of Australian Muslims were born here.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:47am
    And 64% will Train them in Australian Islamic Ways !!
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:16am
    Born here, or here illegally - they'll never be true Aussies.
    They take advantage of our good nature (& laugh at us) & thank "allah" for what
    we've sacrificed for them.
    We need a Japanese govt.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    12:45pm
    " Holy Sushi Batman !!"
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:02pm
    But Bill is anti Japanese. What about the war?
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    1:48am
    Tell it to the politicians mudgecko; they are too busy being 'politically correct' to see or recognise the danger these muslim scum present.
    Deb
    3rd Oct 2014
    12:23am
    I think it should be banned. It is in France where I live at the moment for work . I can see the trouble these countries are in now it is to hard for them to change. When I have gone to their county I make sure I am covered . They also do not add Christian holidays for us. When in their country I observe their culture so why can't they do the same in Australia. If their culture is so good why are they in Australia. Let's wake up before it is to late.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:59am
    he hee hee deb
    only reason you go to their country is so you can make plenty mullahs.
    and by mullahs, i dont mean religious folk.
    hypocrite no ???
    Deb
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:32am
    Solomon ...I am in France as a volunteer so I don't see that as making lots of mullahs.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:00am
    Deb, how's the Burqa Ban going over there? What sort of response has there been by the Muslim community in general?
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:21am
    Solomon - talk about the pot calling the kettle black - the reasons you came
    here is to fleece us & take over! Wondering when you were going to show your
    "true colours"?
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:21pm
    What on earth are you smoking Miss Aisle. I'm not even here, I mean there. Oh never mind!!!!!
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:31pm
    You're not all THERE alright!
    speakup
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:34am
    Australia is not a Muslim country and it is illegal to enter a bank wearing a motor cycle or bicycle helmet which covers part of the face for recognition ,why should it be any different for a person wearing a Burqa .Their plenty of countries in the world that accept the Burqa why not choose one of them and then their would be no conflict
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:31am
    Because they're drawn to our generous benefits !
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:54pm
    Come on now ? They cant all become Politicians !!
    grey but not senile
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:32am
    Wearing of this apparel is no different from Ned Kelly with a bucket on his head - it's just not the go in Australia!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:56am
    FREE BEER and Ham Sandwiches at the Glenrowan Hotel All This Weekend !!
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:10am
    If we & govt. don't make a stand NOW, we will lose our chance of democratic
    rights. Most Aussies are against this.
    Obviously, Tony Abbott is listening to his Advisors - not to open up a "Pandora's box"
    Listen to the masses Tony! Deeply dissapointed in your attitude!
    Sure, you'll get rocks thrown on your roof, but, follow your gut feelings !
    We'll soon be experiencing the multitude of dilemmas facing other western
    countries.
    Referendum, or "Hong Kong protests", peititions, - anything...
    BIG help if Labor/Greens thought of Australia, instead of disagreeing with Tony.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:06am
    If people want to dress up in what I regard as oppressive and hot clothing they are free to do so but I want to see the face of the person uncovered when in public buildings, banks, shopping centres etc.

    I don't agree with segregatating the women behind a glass screen in Parliament.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:22am
    miss aisle, if the Pandora's Box has to be opened then let's open it now!!!
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:04pm
    Well, Frank - looks like we have to show govt. we will not accept this lying down.
    Email pollies, ring them, visit them in groups; form protests;
    And then do it again, & again. Sort it now, - we may not get this chance again.
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:23pm
    PLEASE FrAnk.
    We don't want old pensioners displaying their Pandoras boxes.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    4:30pm
    I agree this is a great opportunity. Even ASIO and the ADF are on a recruitment drive for Muslims at the moment.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    5:56pm
    Yeah ! But the Traps tried to Shoot the Bucket off His Head ??
    guyra2
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:56am
    Ned Kellys bucket would be preferable at least we knew who held those weapons
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:15am
    No They Never !! He had converted to Islam !! It was Muhammad Kelly !

    3rd Oct 2014
    8:21am
    Many pubs say no shirt no shoes no service. The owner has the right to dictate a code of dress and we own parliament house.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:27am
    I know why they wear them !! You cant drink a Beer through them ! Which is against their Whatever ?
    Tezza
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:49am
    particolour, you are on the right track. Devout moslems are not supposed to drink alcohol. How then can ugly women look attractive to their male masters? They wear a burqa. The mesh screen does keep flies out of eyes/nose. They could forego the mesh and use the old bushies trick of cutting a patch out of the seat of their pants.
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:56am
    Many Muslims drink alcohol and eat pork ( maybe together).
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:24am
    Bugger!!! I was thinking if we were driven underground we could communicate by ham radio.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    12:31pm
    What about Corks on strings Instead of that Confessional Booth Front on it ??

    3rd Oct 2014
    8:30am
    "yet when it comes to a piece of headwear partly covering one’s face, "

    The Burka covers the entire face, with only a tiny amount of mesh in front of the eyes, therefore, it's no different than a bike helmet.
    It's important to note the differences between the various types of clothing.
    The illustration at the top is a hijab.
    Google: niqab, burqa, chador, hijab.
    Jude
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:38am
    Enough time wasted on this topic. We all know the burqa, hibab, motor cycle helmet, whatever covers the entire face is an anti-social form of dress, designed to hide something from the world at large. So then it follows - if it needs to be hidden keep it at home - wear it around the house if you wish. But please don't subject the rest of society to it!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    8:51am
    Yeah ! I for one am getting Sick of it !! . Nothing will change so get used to it or Emigrate to Japan !
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:07am
    parti, you cannot get into Japan. They don't take immigrants. The Japanese like to hang onto their traditions.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:59pm
    Yes And We want to hang on to Ours !! And any Politicians Looking Take Heed !! No other Immigrants coming Here made us CHANGE OUR WAYS to suit them !! So why are You Bending over to change us for this Ungrateful Lot ??.. Its like being Trampled by a Thousand Camels !!.. No make that two thousand !!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    4:10pm
    You can sell a thousand to Fill Your Black Hole !!
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    1:53am
    Might even be more particolor....they breed like cockroaches !!
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:40am
    It has been reported today that Mr Abbott has asked the "Speaker" to reconsider the banning of Burqas in Parliament (closed off area). Apparently because of a back-lash by some people and The Greens. I would say that 90% or more who have posted a comment here on this topic are in favour of banning the Burqa in all public places. What a joke, democracy at its worst.
    Muslims is general already get far too many concessions because of their "beliefs" than any other group in this Country. Ban further immigration of Muslims until further notice.
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:53am
    very dissappointing!
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:27am
    :( try to look on the bright side. In future we will get 3 hours off at lunchtime to pray.
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    1:56am
    It appears the balls fell out of the budgie smuggler! Definitely time to put a stop
    to further muslim immigrants
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    10:18am
    I found a Brand of Biscuits I can eat without paying Extortion Money !!
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:46am
    So much prejudice, vitriol, ignorance; so few reasonable comments amongst the inflamed. I am ashamed to share my nationality with most of you.
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:48am
    An I am ashamed to share my nationality with you. I am Australian although you do not mention yours!
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:00am
    Here, here ! niemakawa
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:01am
    Australian 5th generation, but definitely not cast in your mould of 'Australian' by the sound of it.
    Tezza
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:02am
    Alula, you are most welcome in Australia. Quite likely you were born here and your mum and dad were very proud of their first born. Methinks niemakawa meant to ask the origin of your family's name. Most comments on this site are tongue in cheek and typical of sick male humour. The ladies get a bit fiesty.
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:02am
    Australian 5th generation, but definitely not cast in your mould of 'Australian' by the sound of it.
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:07am
    Tezza,thank you. It's a pity when someone has to interpret a comment for another. My name on this site is simply a mix of my first and last names. Gender should have nothing to do with comments, methinks. And I'm sure women aren't the only ones to take offence at sick male humour.
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:13am
    It's called freedom of speech....
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:19am
    My comment was not sick male humour as you put it. One thing though men do have a sense of humour, which seems to have eluded many women. So try not to be too nasty towards men. I am not interested in the origin of anyone's family name. Nothing will convince me that the burqa should be allowed in public places. Common sense should tell you that.
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:16pm
    niemakawa oi oi oi/ FUNNY she or he! is still ashamed to say from which country is the origin?
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    1:59am
    probably a muslim buby!
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:10am
    I believe in a total ban of the Burqa anywhere in public, yes it poses a great security risk to all Australians, but the simple mindedness of politicians will be their downfall, as one day, someone dressed in a Burqa, will be a bomber, as sure as there's a God, it will happen.

    We cannot at this time, fire the hate against Muslims, but we will until the Burqa is done away with; over time, our younger generation, it is they who will eventually take the step of hate from just hate to criminality of hurting Muslims for the sake of it. We have them watching it day in and day out, Islam is great, Islam is Muslim and Muslim means death to those who are not Muslim. When it does start, which it will, and not too far off, it will be probably a young Muslim male, dressed in a Burqa who walks into a very busy area and blows himself up, then and only then, will they (politicians) say to themselves, we should have banned the Burqa when we first had the chance, but now we have so many dead and so many injured, and the blame lays squarely on both government and Muslim leaders!
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:16am
    Wise words - if only the govt. would think of the majority.
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:28am
    Blind freddy can see that. Unfortunately too many politicians care only about their next vote and the well-being under security of this Country is not a priority for the. All the Greens come to mind as well as the majority of Labor politicians. It would of course be simpler if the Muslims here recognised that the Burqa causes offence to many of us and took action not to wear tem in public.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:37pm
    missy our government also has a responsibility to the minorities, but I see your point!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:37pm
    They are changing the L:ocal Market here to The Bazaar so as not to Offend !!
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:20am
    What about cross-dressing Muslim men would they be allowed to wear one!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:21pm
    Of Coarse !! But they have to wear a Cow Bell around their Neck !!
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:27pm
    There are no gay Muslims.
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    4:18pm
    I think there are many gay Muslims.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    5:43pm
    Well maybe just a little bit Happy ??
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:32pm
    Show me one.
    One that's alive I mean
    greatgolly
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:26am
    I have heard of this one before, but I have just received it in my email, if you can consider it pertinent to Australia, then the same as what is written applies fully!

    Written by a housewife to her daily newspaper
    Highly politically incorrect but how true and courageous !

    Thought you might like to read this letter to the editor of a British national newspaper. Ever notice how some people just seem to know how to write a letter?
    Here is a woman who should run for Prime Minister!

    Written by a housewife, to her daily newspaper:

    'Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores in July 2002, and in New York Sept 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so since?

    Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day in Washington, and in downtown Manhattan, and in a field in Pennsylvania?

    Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

    And I'm supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.

    I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan.

    I’ll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg’s and James Foley’s heads while both screamed through their gurgling slashed throats, more beheadings are imminent.

    I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques and behind women and children.

    I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of Nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

    I'll care when the British media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens.

    In the meantime, when I hear a story about a British soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:

    I don't care.

    When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take this to the bank:

    I don't care.

    When I hear that a prisoner - who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and 'fed special food' that is paid for by my taxes - is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:

    I don't care.

    And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran..' Well, believe me!! You guessed it .................

    I don't care!!

    If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous b_ehaviour!

    If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country! And may I add:

    'Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. Our soldiers don't have that problem.'

    I have another quote that I would like to add, AND......... I hope you forward all this.

    Only six defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

    1. Jesus Christ
    2. The British Soldier.
    3. The Canadian Soldier.
    4. The US Soldier
    5. The New Zealand Soldier
    6. The Australian Soldier

    One died for your soul, the other 5 for your freedom.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:55pm
    Thank You ......
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:14pm
    Greatgolly - it certainly puts things into the right perspective !
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    1:25am
    a great piece, not a greater word spoken (or written)
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:29am
    NO Burqa's IN parliament. OR on the Australian STREETS. If they don't like it Send em Back where they came from i say.........I would have to wear a burqa if i went there, in a show of Respect. Why is it so hard for them to show respect for our ways???
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:30am
    The Land of milk and honey, has already given them safety, and helps to support their many children who will soon outnumber ours????
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:30am
    The Land of milk and honey, has already given them safety, and helps to support their many children who will soon outnumber ours????
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:36am
    They know this, the Australian general public knows this. It has yet to trickle down ( or up) to our politicians. Why is this so? Are we being betrayed by our politicians? This is a threat far greater than the so called climate change, but the pollies just do not care about what is undoubtedly waiting to unfold in the next 20 years. The Islamisation of Australia. Ignore it at your peril.
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:01am
    The Islamisation of Australia. Ignore it at your peril

    Yes seems they are smarter than our Politicians who are too scared to make a stance!
    I think its on a par with climate change tho. Cause one of those two things will KILL is depends which one that will work faster. But by having many wars, certainly doesn't help our climate any AT all!!!
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:02am
    The Islamisation of Australia. Ignore it at your peril

    Yes seems they are smarter than our Politicians who are too scared to make a stance!
    I think its on a par with climate change tho. Cause one of those two things will KILL is depends which one that will work faster. But by having many wars, certainly doesn't help our climate any AT all!!!
    toot2000
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:37am
    When I see a woman in a burqa I am personally offended. She is saying to me that she hates me and my culture so much, she clings on tightly to her old one and has no intention of adopting the values I hold dear. And that offends me. I am sick and tired of Muslims saying they are offended. Why doesn't someone ask them "Why do you continue to publicly reject Aussie culture by wearing that ridiculous black shroud?"
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:39am
    Absolutely.
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:58am
    This i'm sure toot has something to do with the domination of women by their men toots thats part of their culture! unfortately. NOt that i'm sticking up for them but also to accept their culture, we let them have their way. Eventually they will dominate us too. IF we let them??
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    12:26pm
    You are only Offended because it leaves You in a Dilemma this Summer ?? You don't know whether to wear a Bikini to the Beach or a Black Tent ,so as not to Offend ??
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:47pm
    i'm gunna slap u one parti........i wouldn't wear either to tell you the truth :P
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:11pm
    OOOW !! Nude ?? :-)
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:37pm
    well u may go nude, but you know you might sCARE the FISH away!!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    6:00pm
    Might attract a Mermaid ??
    Jacobite06
    3rd Oct 2014
    10:42am
    Why is it that we bend over backwards to accommodate the Muslim community and yet there is no effort at all on their part to try and assimilate and become part of OUR society in OUR country that they have chosen to live in. Fed-up.
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    12:24pm
    You will find wherever Muslims settle they will cause problems to their host Country. Be it Australia, Europe, Russia, China, The Americas. They just cannot assimilate. Japan has taken the right approach it will not allow them into its country.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:03pm
    And President Raygun said If Aliens attacked Earth the Whole of the Free word would Unite to Fight them ??
    guyra2
    3rd Oct 2014
    11:42am
    A Black Shroud is probably the best description I have seen....Who knows what is under that muslim Mask...........We all know the how little respect muslims have for women...perhaps the reason for the shroud is to hide the sadistic brutality ..bestowed on those of the opposite sex??
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    12:13pm
    we are Jealous that is all that's wrong with us !! Lets all wear them ! And we wont Know Adam from Madam ,and will all get along Swimmingly !! Now there's another Story ?
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    12:14pm
    When the next election come around ask you local Federal Member where he stands on more immigration from the Middle East!
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:07pm
    If we don't know where they stand by now we deserve to lose more than our local member!!!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:16pm
    Vegemite ! Vegemite !! Halal all the way !.
    OH what fun it is to spread
    On a Halaled SAAYAAY O !!
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:19pm
    YOU know Parti, you make light fun of it, but its a real security Risk and should not be joked about.....
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:38pm
    buby, ALP and the Greens have gone too far this time with their Political Correctness!!!
    Common Sense is no longer common in Australia.
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:45pm
    NO Frank GET a grip, your obviously not thinking straight, and you are not security minded obviously. Lambie is concerned for Australia. Barret the fricken fool should just sit in his box and mind his manners.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:12pm
    buby, are you saying ALP and Greens are security minded?
    MICK
    4th Oct 2014
    8:39pm
    Frank: you are so basic mate. I often wonder what goes around with you. "Security" is highly unlikely to be the issue at present as there is an election coming...and governments love to go to war before elections because voters feel secure re-electing them. And then there is the perennial issue of Australia being the lackey of the United States....into the valley of death rode the 500 sort of stuff. Maybe more like Gallipoli where the poms massacred our troops with arrogant and illogical orders, not their own.
    You really need to adopt the old carpenter's adage Frank: measure 3 times, cut once rather than the other way around.
    miss aisle
    5th Oct 2014
    12:49pm
    mick - Can you imagine if Islamic state grows from strength to strength.
    It will soon flood over borders wreaking havoc - anywhere, anyhow !Until ..?
    Security is top on the list.
    As for Australia being the lackey of US; why do you think we are not being invaded?
    Because it is known that US will come to our aid. We can be thankful that we have
    a "big brother"!
    Adrianus
    5th Oct 2014
    1:18pm
    mick, no better time to have a group of masked Islamists sitting around watching our politics from close range. I would be a little nervous. Would you mick? Or would you ignore this threat as political gamesmanship? This is no game mick. These people are murderers.
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    1:33pm
    Haw Haw !! And Cloaked !! He He He !!! With two beady eyes watching Proceedings !!...He He !!!..
    That was Fun Frank !!
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    1:40pm
    ANNOUNCEMENT (Before Sessions over Loud Speaker ) "Any Spies Please Leave The Building !!".....Yeah ! That's gotta Work !!
    MICK
    5th Oct 2014
    9:10pm
    miss aisle: I completely agree with your prognosis and I understand what you are saying. But you need to see that we are entering re-election territory and there are we are seeing the normal attacks on Labor on issues of no relevance (that happens before every election) and we are also seeing what many governments do at such a time: engage in national security and hype up threats.
    And yes the West does need to defend itself against this group. Granted.
    Adrianus
    5th Oct 2014
    10:16pm
    mick, you are in the minority on that opinion. 75% of the population believe that the terrorist threats are real. It's not just the West mick, this is a global problem.
    Mar
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:18pm
    In the late 1950s as a young woman I lived in naval married quarters in the Persian Gulf. Wives of naval personnel were not allowed to go off the base to visit shops or market place etc., unless covering up.The Muslim women lived in Purdah (only to be seen by their husbands and family) this included the wearing of many forms of cover up. We respected their rules which at times meant not leaving the base when religious festivities happened and wearing appropriate clothing. If we did not abide by the rules you would be sent home immediately. At first, women in Purdah seemed very confronting, after a couple of years you became accustomed to it. It was only clothing!! We respected their way of life. It will be a matter of time and they will accept ours whilst keeping their own identity.People will become less afraid on both sides. Time changes everything. It's only clothing!!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    1:59pm
    In Your Dreams !!...We are not in the Persian Bloody Gulf !!
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:15pm
    Mar I wish with all my heart that I could share your view. But seeing what the ALP/Greens/Unions/Independent government did really frightened the hell out of me.
    And I am a carefree kind of guy not easily worried about security matters.
    miss aisle
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:18pm
    Because there is so much more at stake than "only clothing". Wake up!
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:23pm
    Why is it that it appears to me that only older women wear a Hijab or Chador? While younger women are more likely to wear a Niqab or Burqa?
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:42pm
    i'm sorry Mar and miss aisle its not only clothing if so why do they put down women wearing bikinis, or short skirt, they call them whores. Which is very disrespectful to women. I'm sorry i wouldn't agree. For security purposes in our great country australia the land of honey we don't have room for jealousy amongst men.
    They best build a bridge and get over it!!!
    WE are equal, and some cases better. WE can build and we have acheived much here in our land australia. And we don't need to be taken back many centuries of hard work. To BE abused ?? like this. How can one trust an unseen face, if you have nothing to hide. Then show it??
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    1:37am
    No Mar its not just clothing, its a bloody ideology! If we have to dress "their way" over there why don't they dress "our way" over here !!???
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:56pm
    France, home to about five million Muslims, was the first European country to ban the public use of veils, both face-covering niqabs and full-body burqas, in 2011.
    Australia has less than 500,000 Muslims.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    2:59pm
    The Belgian government in 2011 banned the Islamic full-face veil and any clothing that obscured a person’s identity in a public place.

    Prior to this, the burqa had already been banned in several districts.

    The Belgian government claims Muslim face-covering garments are “incompatible” with the rule of law.
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:05pm
    Of course they are. But Islam demands sharia law wherever its followers live and breed. Any other law is incompatible with Islam and will not be tolerated. That is the ultimate aim of Muslims settling in Australia. It is only a matter of time, unless action by the Australian people is taken now. Politicians must start listening to the voters at large and stop pandering to Islam.
    niemakawa
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:00pm
    The biggest "cover up" of our times.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    10:28am
    Bigotgate ??
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:01pm
    Last year Turkey’s decades-long restriction on wearing the headscarf in state institutions were relaxed to allow Turkish women who want to wear the hijab — the traditional Islamic headscarf covering the head and hair, but not the face — to civil service jobs and government offices.

    The ban was lifted to address concerns that the ban was discouraging women who wear it from seeking government jobs or higher education.

    The laws were originally established to keep religious symbolism out of the civil service due to Turkey’s attempt to be a modern, secular state.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:02pm
    Back in 1981 Tunisia banned women from wearing Islamic dress, including headscarves, in schools and state offices.

    But the ban was largely ignored until 2006 when the government cracked down on those wearing the hijab in an attempt to deter extremism.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:04pm
    The city of Barcelona is among more than a dozen cities to ban Muslim full-face coverings in some public spaces such as council buildings, markets and libraries since 2010.

    But But Spain’s Supreme Court threw out the ordinances — which also applied to any headwear, including helmets and balaclavas — that impeded identification in 2013.

    A number of smaller towns in Spain have also banned Muslim face-coverings claiming the law was “unconstitutional”.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:05pm
    Covering the face in public has been illegal in Italy since the 1970s due to security concerns.

    The law isn’t nationally enforced when it comes to Muslim face coverings but the government regularly debates expanding the decades-old law to impose special penalties on women who wear the burqa, niqab or any other garment that covers the face.

    Islamic veils have also been banned in several towns in Italy such as Novara.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:07pm
    In 2007 The Netherlands prohibited the full veil in schools and on public transport.

    The ban has since been extended to universities and specific professions where face-to-face communication and eye contact is required.

    Law court staff are also prohibited from wearing Muslim face-coverings on the grounds of ‘state neutrality’.
    Smee
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:13pm
    Seems to me that a lot of people don't know the difference between a burqa, a niqab and a hijab none of which are a 'religious' garment or required by the Quran The burka is the most hideous looking garment ever created. Total covering from head to foot. A person, even a male wearing one (nobody can tell the difference), could hide anything underneath. For purely security reasons; yes ban the garbage anywhere. I've seem Muslim women wearing a hijab and mostly they look quite smart. If wearing a motor cycle helmet if a security risk in most establishments so to is the burka and the niqab.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:13pm
    Wearing Muslim veils is not nationally outlawed in Germany but in 2003 the federal constitutional court ruled that state governments could impose such restrictions on school teachers.

    As a result half of Germany’s 16 state governments have since banned teachers from wearing Islamic veils and headscarves.

    The state of Hesse banned all civil servants from wearing headscarves or veils in 2011.

    Reasons cited for the bans range from social integration to road safety.
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:14pm
    RUSSIA

    In 2013 the Stavropol region was the first to impose a ban on Muslim face coverings. The Ticino region also banned face veils in public places.

    But in Chechnya, the authorities have defied Russian policy on Islamic dress and order women to headscarves in state buildings.
    Mar
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:17pm
    We cannot ban a persons right to their culture, choice of religion and clothing. Yes, we can make rules about security which we all need to follow, but we become as entrenched as they are if we start banning everything. Might as well ban the football, ban the right to drink a beer, eat a pie etc., etc, ban the Aussie culture. We need to accept difference on both sides. Deal with the fears. Become more informed on both sides.
    buby
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:29pm
    OH yes please do ban football meat pies are made out of rubbish not like in the good ole days! Well we are trying to deal with the realistic. and if you don't like the aussie culture, why come to live here???
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:31pm
    Well said Mar.
    One of the few same voices on here
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:42pm
    Why ?? We didn't all MOVE to an Islamic Country !! They Came Here !!.. I'll change if I go there ! Which is Highly Un Bloody Likely !!.And Your right about the Pies ! They are Garbage Now !! Thanks !!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    3:44pm
    PS ..And haven't been Blessed by a Saint !!
    Adrianus
    3rd Oct 2014
    4:44pm
    I knew this would be an issue one day when Mohamed Ali was cleared by the Supreme Court and no longer had to fight in the army on religious grounds. He would only fight if Allah ordered him to fight. He would not fight if his government ordered it.
    So he was free to jump back in the ring with his opponents secure in the knowledge that he would not bring any weapons.
    This is why the ADF will struggle with their Muslim recruitment drive. They did have a Muslim in the Army but he went AWOL and went to fight in Syria.
    ASIO may have better success with it's recruitment drive. This will be a first, I would think. It is against the law for a local business to discriminate on the grounds of religion but not the government?
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    5:50pm
    They Float like a Butterfly
    And STING Like a BEE
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:46pm
    Mar, thanks for a sensible voice here
    Mar
    3rd Oct 2014
    4:50pm
    WOW! Never have I seen so many vitriolic comments. All over a piece of clothing (or is it?) It's even succeeded the bash the "government on the budget "days. Brought out all the prejudices. Even the Poms got a bit of a bashing. If it wasn't for the funny comments it could get too serious. I never realized Aussies were so patriotic until I joined LifeChoices.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    5:06pm
    Patriotic !! You Bet !! I just Hoisted My Red Speedos up the Flag Pole to Dry !!!
    Anonymous
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:34pm
    I think you confuse prejudice for patriotism
    Alula
    3rd Oct 2014
    9:51pm
    Well said, Solomon.
    miss aisle
    5th Oct 2014
    1:05pm
    We are so patriotic - that we want to keep our lifestyles
    & not ripped away from us !
    Mar
    3rd Oct 2014
    4:58pm
    buby, I love the Aussie culture (except for the meat pies). I was married to an Aussie for over 40 years and wouldn't have had it any different. Up the Aussies oi,oi,oi.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    6:58pm
    Football..Meat Pies .. Kangaroos and Great Wall Utes !!
    Speak up
    3rd Oct 2014
    6:30pm
    I agree with Drew's balanced comments. Let's stop whipping up unnecessary fear and prejudice in our country. It's sad to see,read and hear. Let's be tolerant.
    Oars
    3rd Oct 2014
    6:32pm
    This burga debate has taken too much attention from us ordinary residents of Australia. Like many before me I came here over 40 years ago and enjoy being an dinky -di Oz. This new lot seem to want to change us to THEIR ways. If THEIR ways are so great, why not go back THERE. Simple. If you can't comply with a simple dress code, then leave the building. Try getting into a flash hotel, if you are wearing just a "g" string. !!!
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:08pm
    Or getting a job in the Hotels Band with only a "G" String !!
    Mar
    3rd Oct 2014
    6:45pm
    I'm with you Speak up! It's over the top. We need common sense and tolerance.
    Poppysmum
    3rd Oct 2014
    6:58pm
    I keep reading the comment "Go back where you came from"? Seriously? Muslimshave been coming here for hundreds of years, the Afghani cameleers opened up our red centre with the early explorers - they intermarried with the true indigineous people of Australia, the Aborigines! Many, many Muslims were born here, generations ago. I have never seen such vitriol, ignorance and misinformation. I assume most posters here are 60 or over - you should know better.
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:02pm
    We Do and Did !! But they never behaved like this Mob ??
    particolor
    3rd Oct 2014
    7:04pm
    Well once Maybe ?? The Afghan Army attacked us at Broken Hill !!
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    2:14am
    Well poppysmum, it must be the new muslim trash that's the cause of the problems. Where is the muslim "tolerance" for our way of life>?! Personally I prefer the camels!
    MICK
    4th Oct 2014
    9:01am
    Poppysmum: whilst you are correct Muslims were much much fewer in number when we grew up. They have always been trouble to a greater or lesser extent but in the past 3 decades this part of our population has grown and it has become disproportionately involved in all manner of crime (street thuggery, armed hold up, home invasion, fraud) as well as too man of its youth wanting to engage in conflict.
    Your post ignores the fact that this part of our community is not the benign group it claims to be and often appears to be working against the nation. It sometimes appears to me that this group wants to form its own society and we all need to be careful to remember that "a house divided amongst itself cannot stand".
    By all means let us be fair and understanding, but not compliant to the point where we become the victims of a minority using media and the political correctness to get its way contrary to the wishes of average Australians.
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    9:20am
    Mar, with respect, Tolerance is what Australians have in abundance and what got us to this point. Common Sense is only common when the vast majority share a particular viewpoint and is without argument.
    A case in point. Turban wearing Sikhs on motorbikes refusing to wear a helmet because it wont fit over their Turban. This law will probably get changed on religious grounds. Just another example of how tolerant Australian behaviour is.
    We are becoming a nation which believes in nothing and yet believes in everything. We will wake up one morning and wonder why our jolly jumbuck needed to become Halal Certified. Instead of chewing the fat while waiting for the billy to boil we will be looking over our shoulder for so called extremists.
    The Australian common sense and tolerance behaviour has at it's roots Christian values. We believe that if you are a friend then show your face, eat with us in our homes and speak your mind.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    9:43am
    Its not all Bad !! Those Turbans soak up a lot of Blood when they have a Dingle !! I've Seen It !!! .. :-(
    MICK
    4th Oct 2014
    8:45pm
    And turbans unwound make great bandages.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    8:47pm
    I've only seen it once but I've noticed that Mick !!
    geomac
    4th Oct 2014
    12:06am
    Seeing as this has some people saying some weird things I may as well get in for my chop. Ban Bishop's ridiculous hairstyles and biased speaker position. Ban long white socks and sandals, crime against something but not sure what. Ban any and all religious attire by anyone including jewelry so that everyone seems the same. Ban any pants that require the bum crack or requiring the underwear to be prominent. Ban idiots from getting publicity by suggesting a piece of clothing can fool metal detectors and protocols already in place by parliament security to deal with a face mask. Get a life or at least get some common sense.
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    2:06am
    Well said
    for a lefty
    Anonymous
    4th Oct 2014
    2:16am
    better still, ban all religion!
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    8:53am
    And Daylight Saving !!
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    8:57am
    And UN Halal all our Food ! We don't live in Egypt !!
    Alula
    4th Oct 2014
    9:01am
    ONYA GEOMAC. Particolor, you're like a blowfly caught in a closed room :)
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    9:09am
    And Mick..Walk through Campsie Dressed as the Pope and we will see if You come out the other side in one piece ??..
    Alula... BZZZT BZZZT !!
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    9:10am
    PS... :-)
    PlanB
    4th Oct 2014
    6:16am
    Abbott proves he has got NO guts, this is Australia and we should be able to dictate rules --they do in their country,

    I am finding Abbott and his mob confronting, the more I see of them
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    8:20am
    PlanB can you find a better argument? If you prefer to live under dictatorship there are many other countries less democratic than Australia.
    PlanB
    4th Oct 2014
    8:45am
    Frank too late, we ARE now living under a dictatorship and it will get worse, step by step.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    8:52am
    Yes We Are Offended !!
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    9:28am
    It is punishable by law to Offend someone. All you need to do is play the race card.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    9:46am
    I did, and Take Over Target came 1st !!
    MICK
    4th Oct 2014
    8:47pm
    Dictatorship Frank? The Abbott government is chewing at the bit. Give it time. Internet surveillance is the first step. There are more to come. Second term? They wish.
    Adrianus
    5th Oct 2014
    8:56am
    It was no different under the previous government. They all spy on us, but at least now we know which government department it is. The actual spies.
    MICK
    5th Oct 2014
    9:27pm
    No such thing Frank. You are such a liberal troll. Be a man, look at the history and the facts and then make such a claim. Labor NEVER sought to check you emails.
    China
    4th Oct 2014
    8:39am
    So The people of Australia (Parliament) eventually through civic pressure of the do gooders give in and accept the ban, does this mean, people with Hoods, Bike helmets etc, will be allowed to enter public places eg: Parliament, banks etc, without being told to remove them. Or, are we going to see My Rights At Work through the Australian courts, World Courts or that out of date United Nations.
    Get real One Law For All.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    9:22am
    We Shalt Bow Under Pressure Me Old China Plate !!
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    9:41am
    The Fire Fighters who wear fire retardant Balaclavas will not need to worry will they?
    Maudy
    4th Oct 2014
    9:33am
    If we are allowed to wear anything that takes our fancy for the day, what about if we want to go naked in public????????? How can you compare a speedo with a veil covering who is under it ?
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    9:43am
    Wear bright colours to accentuate the difference. Tony looks good in bright orange. Follow his example.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    9:59am
    I got out My old Bee Keepers Helmet I'll be wearing that from now on !!
    MICK
    4th Oct 2014
    8:48pm
    You won't BEE very popular in parliament particolor.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    9:01pm
    What a Stinging Remark !!
    guyra2
    4th Oct 2014
    9:36am
    What a spineless effort by our government....How can we possibly offend those people.....
    those people who indirectly have just decapitated another innocent Britain.
    Stand up Abbott...being an Aussie that cares about Aussies and their standards get the votes
    for now we still outnumber those that don't give a hoot about the Aussie way
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    9:51am
    These people do not care for things like the Geneva Convention. It sickens me to see this.
    miss aisle
    4th Oct 2014
    12:24pm
    It's definitely time to email all policiticians ....
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    9:51am
    I found a Blank Comment Box up here ? With no Bigot, Racist, Infidel in it ! So I thought I would Writ Something . :-)
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    9:53am
    Writ << ??
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    10:59am
    We will wake up one morning and wonder why vegemite became Halal Certified. I thought only Aussies ate that rubbish. LOL
    ONJ couldn't sell it out of Koala Blue in USA? So who is eating all the vegemite???
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    11:16am
    In September 2011, Kevin Rudd reported that US Customs officials tried to confiscate his supply of Vegemite as he entered the U S. He said he came from the land down under, so he just smiled and gave him the vegemite back.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    11:42am
    At first they thought it was Axle Grease ? Then a Female Customs Officer taste tested some and said No ! Its Cat Sh*t !!!..Give it Back !!
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    12:03pm
    Limited quantities of kosher Vegemite were first produced in the 1980s a 2004 decision to cease production was reversed after a backlash from Jewish consumers.
    Around 2009, Kraft contracted with the Kashrut Authority in New South Wales for their kashrut supervision services. By 2010, all jars and tubes of ordinary Vegemite were labelled with the authority's stamp.

    In 2010, Vegemite received Halal certification. While this was welcomed by Australian Muslims, Kraft was criticised by the Family Council of Victoria, which labelled it as "ridiculous" political correctness. Kraft dismissed such claims as "racist bigoted commentary".
    Kraft of course won the argument with the use of those 2 words.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    12:16pm
    Yeah !! Well Marmalade tastes Better on toast anyhow !!.. They can AFIC Traffic their Halal Authority, Vegemute Elsewhere !!...
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    12:17pm
    It may be parti, but it sure puts a rose in every cheek!!!
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    12:33pm
    How would You Know ??
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    12:42pm
    Its starting to remind Me of The KKK ??
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    3:12pm
    Under Sharia law banks cannot charge interest on loans. Islamists can borrow but refuse to pay interest. When you understand how they get around that little doozy of a problem and realise how 2 of Australia's banks have facilitated this circumvention then its not hard to also understand why their share price is dropping.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    3:31pm
    I hope You didn't Type that with the Left Hand of Satan,?? Frank !
    MICK
    4th Oct 2014
    8:54pm
    Please explain Frank. I do not believe that Islamic citizens can borrow money with zero interest.
    Banks are not going down because of Islamic customers (crap!!). They are going down because investors are worried about the inability of (young) home buyers to repay their loans if interest rates go up. They are also worried because Australia has some of the most expensive real estate in the world. And then there is a fear of deflation. In the end banks are not seen as improving their bottom line and investors are voting with their feet.
    As normal Frank you do not understand.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    9:31pm
    Mick it is Islamic law that You cant charge Interest on loans ! But I think You are right ! Non of our bank would be in that !!.. I do know how they buy all those houses though !!
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    10:02pm
    I have heard of only 2 banks and have been watching their share price with interest over the last 6 months or so. This is one of the reasons Islamists want their own legal and financial system within Australia's. There is much more at play here than is immediately apparent. Where do you think the money comes from to build all the mosques? The Oil fields of Saudi and Australian government.
    MICK
    4th Oct 2014
    10:39pm
    Name the 2 banks Frank.
    If you are unable then you are scare mongering.
    Adrianus
    5th Oct 2014
    8:10am
    Or concerned I could offend someone.
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    9:20am
    Yes !! It would be Offensive to Offend the Offenders ??
    Adrianus
    5th Oct 2014
    9:48am
    mick, it is you my friend, who does not understand how things work.
    If you think interest rates are on the rise then stand back because coming from such a low base this will make Pamplona look like a walk around the pond with the ducks. Forget the delinquent accounts, that's a furphy. If your labor mates get back in the bulls will be laughing all the way to..... No, That's it I'm not giving you anymore tips.
    MICK
    5th Oct 2014
    9:40pm
    Frank: as expected YOU CANNOT NAME 2 BANKS which lend money interest free to Muslims. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.
    Adrianus
    5th Oct 2014
    10:51pm
    It's no big secret mick. Just have a look at the 2 banks which are defying the trends. One is a 4 pillar.
    particolor
    6th Oct 2014
    7:55am
    Not far enough ! I want a Bank that gives it to Me and don't want it Back !!!
    miss aisle
    4th Oct 2014
    11:18am
    Now, if THIS bit of information doesn't make everyone sit up & take notice, nothing will!
    A book written by a muslim women, born in Egypt as a muslim.
    "Joys of muslim women" by Nonie Darwish
    In muslim faith, a muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old AND have sexual
    intimacy with the child, consumating the marrage at 9 years of age.

    The dowry is given to the family in exchange the woman (who has become his slave) & for
    purchase of her private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.

    Even if she's abused, she is unable to obtain a divorce.

    To prove rape, she have 4 male witnesses.
    Often, after she's been raped, she returned to her family & the family must return the
    dowry.
    The family has the right to execute her (an honour killing) to restore honour of family.

    Husbands can beat their wives at will & he does not have to say why he has beaten her.

    Husbands are permitted to have 4 wives and.. a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute)
    at his discretion.

    The sharia muslim law controls the private as well as public life of the women.

    In western world - Canada, Australia, US., & Briton, men are starting to demand sharia law
    so wife cannot obtain divorce & husband can have full & complete control of her.
    It is amazing & alarming how many of our sisters are attending American, British, Canadian
    universaties & marrying muslim men & submitting themselves & their children
    UNSUSPECTANTLY to sharia law.
    By passing this on - enlightened Canadian, Australia, American & British women may avoid
    becoming a slave under sharia law.

    Ripping the West in Two -
    Author & lecturer, Nonie Darwish says the goal of Islamists is to impose sharia law onto
    the world, - ripping western law & liberty in two!

    Darwish developed a sceptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own muslim culture
    & upbringing. She converted to Christianity after hearing a preacher on television.

    She recently authored a book "Cruel & Unusual Punishment".
    She warns about creeping sharia law - what it is, what it means & how it is manifested
    in Islamic countries.

    For the West, she says radical islamists are working to impose sharia law on the world.

    If that happens the western civilization will be destroyed.
    Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each
    individual.
    Islamic Law (sharia) teaches that non-muslims be subjugated or killed in this world !!!!
    AND THERE IS MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
    Let us all open our eyes & see the big picture!
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    11:25am
    Ill Bet Your not Game to put Christmas Light on Your House this year ???
    miss aisle
    4th Oct 2014
    11:29am
    Frank, (the wise owl) you've been busy with all your research -
    thought I'd do a bit - not giving up...........
    miss aisle
    4th Oct 2014
    11:33am
    parti - I'll hide under my burqa !
    miss aisle
    4th Oct 2014
    11:37am
    Frank, that joke you told on an earlier blog, was a good one -
    pity I didn't get it right away!
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    11:50am
    I put My Old car out the front with a Fore Sale sign on it ...4 Virgins or near offer..
    I'm Still waiting ???
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    12:11pm
    miss aisle, We need to do all we can, while we can, before we are all wearing Burqas ourselves.
    Poppysmum
    4th Oct 2014
    12:22pm
    So Miss Aisle, that is one book - and how do we prove what she is saying is true, or if she is even who she says she is? There's been a lot of examples of this sort of thing in the past. Can I suggest you go to a FB page called "Australian Non- Muslims Supporting Australian Muslims" and ask the Muslims living here the relevant questions?
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    12:36pm
    That's like asking Joe what's in the Budget for 2015 ?? .. That's if their not still Haggling over this one !!
    miss aisle
    4th Oct 2014
    1:45pm
    Poppysmum - Of all the Aussie libraries I have been to, it is very hard to borrow
    The Qu'ran - I haven't found them on the shelves - & why ?
    because they don't want us to learn of their beliefs - to women, or towards us.
    The women who have lived under sharia law, are very brave indeed to speak out.
    Some have needed, or need bodyguards for a long time.
    They know what these women (former muslims) printing is the truth, but don't want the west to know.
    miss aisle
    4th Oct 2014
    2:30pm
    Qu'ran books aren't on the shelves because they get borrowed by muslims & not
    brought back.
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    2:31pm
    Poppysmum, listen to miss aisle. She knows what she is talking about.
    There are also many men like me who will stand up for women's rights quite readily but at the same time don't like to be called misogynists for no apparent reason.
    If we are to understand Islam then the female perspective emerges as something of extreme importance.
    Where are the Muslim women who can give their honest view of the Quran?
    If they are difficult to find then surely that must tell you something?
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    4:24pm
    miss aisle, while something may not appear to be funny at the time it can cause you to have a long, non stop, good old belly laugh at some time in the future.
    Franzl
    4th Oct 2014
    12:31pm
    If only religious leaders would explain that church laws are in fact designed to benefit people living within certain regions, most of the fights based on religious differences would disappear. In a tropical dessert covering the face is a necessity. In a moderate climate zone only people with criminal intent cover their faces. Muslims should be made aware of that. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". If I want to live in a Muslim country, I have to adhere to their customs also. Why do some people think that in this country they can deliberately segregate themselves and expect to be accepted ? I do not talk to people who's face I cannot see and that has nothing to do with religion.
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    12:53pm
    But this Will Soon be a, Certain Region, and their Religious Leaders HAVE Explained this to them ??..
    MITZY
    4th Oct 2014
    1:12pm
    I have friends who visit family members in Lebanon on a yearly basis. They are not muslims, but of the catholic faith. They keep saying to me every time they visit Lebanon that there is less and less wearing of the burqa there and they see more women wearing it in Australia than Lebanon.
    This seems to say to me that they are antagonising the people of this very generous and accepting country of Australia.
    I don't condone the wearing of the burqa by muslim women but it worries me in these uncertain times that it may not always be a "woman" covered in it.
    I really think Abbott should do as he thinks and ban the burqa from such places as parliament house gallery, all the various public buildings such as war memorial, museums, art galleries, schools, universities, law courts etc. as well as every bank.
    Wearing a burqa in a bank must be quite a frightening and confronting experience for the employees/tellers and if the burqa was worn for underhanded means, such as robbing a bank and/or terrorism acts, it will not be easy to capture, convict and identify the perpetrator.
    If you are a decent muslim and love living in a free and easy society here, please show your face.
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    4:32pm
    MITZY, please don't be too harsh on the Islamic women. In more than 50% of cases they are forced by their husbands to cover up. An Islamic woman has no say in it most of the time because they are not equal to men.
    MICK
    4th Oct 2014
    10:47pm
    So where are the women's movements who are always going on about 'sexism' and 'women's rights? Surely this is the best way to put an end to this archaic practice. Bring back Germaine Greer in a sequel.
    MITZY
    4th Oct 2014
    1:17pm
    In addition, muslims should not be too offended if this happens, Australia has accepted them and there religion for a long long time but now circumstances are changing and terrorism has raised its ugly head to a new horrific level.
    If some of the minority of antagonists and followers of ISIL etc. are allowed to refer to our young people as "raw meat" they can hardly protest about showing their faces.
    Fready
    4th Oct 2014
    1:50pm
    Let's get down to facts. This identity concealing attire permits even male suicide bombers to move undetected in vulnerable public places. As a result I am offended by it. Does this give me grounds to have it banned under the racial discrimination legislation.??
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    2:10pm
    No !! You are not allowed to be Offended ! That is Their Catch Cry for Everything that Does Not suit their Beliefs !....Aussies can only be Pizzed Off about things and Shut up about it, as it may Offend them !!.. I think I almost went around in a Circle there ? But that's it !!..
    guyra2
    4th Oct 2014
    2:47pm
    Australia has surely given in way too much to accommodate the minority...no prayers in schools and no scripture lessons...No Christmas or signs of it (decorations)....Now the burka
    issue.....this is ridiculous....I know for a fact when 911 occurred there was a car full of obviously young muslims driving down Parramatta road in Sydney cheering and flying their flag from the car window...now the halal insignia on our food???Good on you Dick Smith you are an Honest and honourable man...A very caring aussie and not bluffed as a lot of
    business's are Cadbury's for instance...I for one check for the halal insignia and put it back
    enough of us do that...quite a few will get the message..We are AUSSIE'S and Bloody
    PROUD OF IT.......now our young men are overseas once again risking their lives to protect
    the very place the trouble started.....Ban the burka and anything not aussie that is seen as
    a threat......How must people feel when in so many places we go we can play "SPOT THE AUSSIE"
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    3:24pm
    WHEN Will I be told to Grow a Beard ??..
    I picked up the Vegemute saw the Extortion Demand on it?? And put it back and took the DickyMite !! Same with the Biscuits ?? Some Supermarkets wont stock the things We Like now ??..Without the Halal Authority stamp on them ?? WTF is going on ?? As far as I know Chocolate is not made out of Pork ?? We gave up on Spot the Oz,we now play Spot the Infadel !!
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    3:37pm
    Cadbury was in big trouble recently when they used pork instead of bovine.
    The Islamists where ready to call a fatwa because their blood was tainted or something like that?
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    3:47pm
    They can thank their lucky Halal Stars that their Bovine wasn't Feline !!
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    4:35pm
    I find it strange. There are 529 comments on here, but not one from a Muslim woman, or man for that matter, wanting to correct any possible false assumptions?
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    4:51pm
    530... I thought that an Hour back ?? I've been on other sites in the past when this sort of Blog has appeared and they (Always) came in an put up an Argument ??.. I think they are too busy now making Plans for Our Future ???
    MacI
    4th Oct 2014
    5:53pm
    With the consensus of opinion expressed here, much of which in my view is malicious and dehumanising, why would a muslim woman want to engage in this discussion thread. Put yourself in her shoes.
    Adrianus
    4th Oct 2014
    6:01pm
    OK, you may have a point KCI, but much worse has been said about Tony Abbott. I'm sure that an Islamists view would be welcome, particularly if it was a woman.
    MICK
    4th Oct 2014
    11:07pm
    KCI: you appear very defensive. Why? Have posters not expressed reasons why they have the opinion they have? Generally not hateful, malicious or dehumanising at all. What is dehumanising is what is occurring in the Middle East, perpetrated by the children of the very Muslims in our western countries who are complaining about not being liked.
    Your position is an idealistic one where you refuse to confront the real issue: that Islam is a cancer in not only western society but almost any society where it exists, which is trying to force itself on Australians who do not share the views or practises of the religion let alone the interpretation and implementation of the religion.
    miss aisle
    5th Oct 2014
    6:12pm
    KCI - Do you honestly think a muslim woman has the freedom to talk about herself
    in a public forum?? She knows there are serious consequences from revealing
    contraversial matter. I hope I never have to walk a mile in a muslim's woman's shoes.
    Adrianus
    5th Oct 2014
    6:36pm
    miss aisle, it is sad to think that anyone has to. I cannot help but wonder why there have been no Islamists on this site?
    MacI
    7th Oct 2014
    6:50pm
    Mick: Here are a few comments posted: "Get rid of this crap (women wearing the burqa) off our streets"; "I hope those who do wear the full face covering continue to be harassed, stripped naked then a lesson"; "allowing these cockroaches into our country." This discussion is like an Alan Jones radio talk-back. Most people venting - making the same point over and over again. Anyone who puts a contrary view is howled down. Whatever people may think about the Islamic faith people of this faith are here to stay and the surest way to alienate them rather than integrate them is this kind of rhetoric. We need to see them as human beings like ourselves and treat them as we would want to be treated, seek to engage and understand one another - that's our way.

    Frank: I think it was you that posted that there are 1100 Aboriginal converts to Islam. I can't help but wonder if their attraction to Islam is because they feel an affinity as another group that feels isolated and alienated from mainstream society. I also wonder if our prejudice towards Islam drives rebellious youth towards radicalisation.

    Miss aisle: I have heard muslim women speak on this particular topic in a public forum however I am very sure that they would not participate in this forum.
    Mar
    4th Oct 2014
    7:09pm
    Absolutely agree with you KCI. It would be like"Daniel in the Lions Den".
    particolor
    4th Oct 2014
    7:25pm
    Daniel Wins !!

    5th Oct 2014
    1:09am
    I think it's fair enough. They are only being requested to sit behind a glass panel since nobody can see who they are. That's not unreasonable. They can still watch and hear parliament but not under a cloak of invisibility.

    Their choice - like all other choices - they live with it.
    Anonymous
    5th Oct 2014
    8:04am
    Interesting article by ABC Canberra Reporter Virginia Haussegger which was written in the Canberra Times on 27 June 2009. Wonder if she still stands by what she said; which was pretty forthright re the burka etc.

    http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/showthread.php?37379-Ban-unAustralian-Burka-By-Virginia-Haussegger
    Adrianus
    5th Oct 2014
    8:45am
    Good on Virginia, there has always been something to like about her. Many other women with politically left views will gladly sacrifice women's rights if it conflicts with a leftist position, or a male viewpoint. Where are they now when their sisters really need them?
    This is a far bigger issue than banging on about whether a woman gets less pay than a man. Where is Julia Gillard really looking for misogynists?
    I can see the political animals on the left on this forum backing off and playing down the importance of this issue. They are more fearful that this issue has the potential to divide the nation. Usually the left wouldn't be too concerned about that, but on this occasion they know they're outnumbered and common sense may eventually prevail.
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    9:36am
    Did Somebody Move Australia to the Middle East ??? I've seen some Turmoil in Australia Before But not this Offensive Invasive Rubbish !! Clean the Place up !Tell them WHO'S Boss !! And Stop Hiding Under The Desk !! ...
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    9:42am
    Well I'm off to Church and I want it cleaned up before I get back !!.
    And If I OFFENDED anybody by going to church STIFF CHEDDAR !!
    Adrianus
    5th Oct 2014
    10:00am
    A lot will depend on which church and which cheddar stiff or not.
    This will take a long time to clean up because it has the potential to move from a security issue to a "equality of the sexes" issue, as soon as the equal rights women's movement grow a couple.
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    10:35am
    HMM! 2 Members Short Frank ??..
    I missed Church !!! I forgot about Daylight Saving ?? That's Invasive Too !! If we were meant to have Daylight Friggin Saving, God would have Built the Sun an Hour Earlier !!
    Anonymous
    5th Oct 2014
    12:58pm
    I was all for daylight saving "once" but after experiencing it here in the West I voted against it like the majority did.

    No more voting for another 20 years I read today.
    miss aisle
    5th Oct 2014
    1:12pm
    With daylight saving - If people want to do something -
    it will be done whether daylight saving, or not. D.S. is B.S.
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    1:27pm
    Australia Has The Most Perfect Time Zone On Planet Earth !! FACT !!
    Could one of You Mesmerized lovers of Daylight Saving tell Me what it does??
    Because its got Me Stuffed what it does ???.
    Besides Fry the Butts off School kids that Come out of School in the Hottest part of the day. And Increase the Melanoma Rate in Australia !!
    Adrianus
    5th Oct 2014
    3:08pm
    The idea behind "daylight saving" is that it allows people more time with their families. What we don't understand is how winding some of the clocks forward and back can do this??? I should have paid more attention during Dr Who.
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    4:01pm
    Would it have made too much sense to Open the Shops or go to Work an Hour earlier than shag around with the Clocks.??
    Old People fall off Chairs getting the Clock off the wall to Adjust it and break their legs, Hips and arms ??
    miss aisle
    5th Oct 2014
    5:08pm
    During daylight saving many children in certain rural areas have breakfast in the dark before a 1 and a half hour bus ride to their nearest school. They travel home again in the hottest part of the day. Must be exhausting for them. Then, to try & go to sleep
    while still daylight. ??
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    5:35pm
    And another thing ! How can I be outside Enjoying this wonderful Extra Hour of Sunshine our Government has given us FREE of Charge, and be Inside Too at the same time to watch the 6 O Clock News which is really 5 O Clock ?? Get Real!! Move the Programmes to match this Stupidity!!...
    And if the SFB Politicians want this Stupidity, Why don't they get out of bed an Hour earlier and Toddle off to the Play House (Parliament) then ??
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    5:41pm
    Sorry Grappler !! Now back to Your Subject which was rudely Interrupted by the Sun coming up an Hour earlier than I expected ?? Or was It an Hour later ?? AHH!! Who Cares !!
    Anonymous
    6th Oct 2014
    8:22am
    Frank, I agree totally with your comments.:

    " Many other women with politically left views will gladly sacrifice women's rights if it conflicts with a leftist position, or a male viewpoint. Where are they now when their sisters really need them? "where is Julia really looking for misogynists".

    Funny how the so called "feminists brigade" are very silent when it comes to the rights of Muslim women.
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2014
    11:20am
    Radish, There maybe a similarity between Islam and Feminism. It quite often appears that both groups have been hijacked by radicals.
    During her UN speech Emma Watson said fighting for women’s rights has too often become synonymous with man-hating. That could be the reason for the silence? The loudest agitators are actually misandrists?
    Pass the Ductape
    5th Oct 2014
    1:11pm
    Those of us who have fully accepted that we're an Australian through and through, also agree that we consider ourselves to be a true dinky-di Aussie because we possess an open and free cultural persona. Among other things, we draw conclusions about our particular circumstance in life, most often from the expressions we see in the face of others as we talk to them - coupled by what is actually being said!

    It's only natural then, for anyone in this day and age in Australia, who feel they have to cover their face so that only the eyes can be seen, for any dinky-di Aussie to regard them with absolute suspicion.

    Any normal Australian might like to try getting into a prison these days to visit an inmate whilst wearing a scarf around your head and they will have to remove it or they won't get in. Not so however, if you happen to be Muslim!

    The problem we most face in Australia today is not so much our security; rather it is a particular religion which threatens that security! To believe otherwise is complete folly!
    miss aisle
    5th Oct 2014
    1:16pm
    No wonder so much damage can be planned in a prison cell !
    Come on - pollies - what are you so afraid of?
    particolor
    5th Oct 2014
    1:57pm
    ISISite Under the bed !! Shake !! Shake !!!
    Twyla
    6th Oct 2014
    12:30am
    Whilst this presents as an Islamic issue, it is not. It is a security issue.

    The burqa can be worn by anyone, not just Muslims.

    A number of European countries have banned or are debating banning the burqa in certain circumstances, not the least of all in issues of security.
    miss aisle
    6th Oct 2014
    11:37am
    Come on Twila - even a child can realize that burquas are for muslim women!
    They know because it scares them! & they ask questions. They're spooky!
    They're totally foreign to the Aussie lifestyle.
    However,it's our national security that is paramount in these volatile times.
    Why do we have cameras in Banks,etc., To see faces...
    We all know they can be used for robberies, but worse of all,
    terrorists(men or women) could hide under them & kill innocent people at
    random. Don't tell me that would never happen in the western world!
    Muslim men hiding under them, have already used them for theft, in Sydney.

    Even IF wearing them does not present a security problem (but it definitely does!!)
    if men & women don't want to assimilate into our lifestyle, don't come here!
    You knew full well about our western culture before you came, so, assimilate or go back home & be happy. We certainly have a right to protest about something so
    utterly abhorent!
    particolor
    6th Oct 2014
    11:47am
    Yeah Righto !! An Australian Family has Been Told to get the Australian Flag out of their Front Yard ??.. WTF ??
    particolor
    6th Oct 2014
    11:53am
    I might have understood that if they had it Wrapped around their Flamin Heads !! But on a Flag Pole ??
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2014
    12:22pm
    Twila, While I agree with your initial statement, I do think this so called religion is much more invasive than any religion or cultural adjustment we've had to deal with in our short history. I think it's because Islam is much more than a religion.
    Even our banking system is adjusting to these changes because it is against Sharia Law to pay interest (riba) on a loan.

    "Those who charge riba are in the same position as those controlled by the devil's influence... As for those who persist in riba, they incur Hell, wherein they abide forever" - Qur'an 2:275

    Why is the Burqa a security issue? Because there are people sending us videos from Syria showing beheading of innocent journalists and aid workers. There are also people walking our streets wearing the same masks!!
    miss aisle
    6th Oct 2014
    12:25pm
    When I see the burqa being worn, my first thoughts are -
    that person and/or someone close to her, are having radical thoughts.- islamic.
    Their men must be so extremely insecure - thinking they'll lose their wives if they talk to the male species while showing their faces.
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2014
    3:16pm
    Yes, I cannot imagine how western freedom loving women must feel. The burqa is one method and FGM is another. Earlier this year 3 Sydney people were charged for performing this disgusting procedure on 2 young girls 6 & 7. Just a couple of days ago a Brisbane woman was protesting about this barbaric custom. It is illegal in Australia and carries a maximum gaol term of 14 years. These people must get the maximum term! Why do they treat women this way?
    particolor
    6th Oct 2014
    3:29pm
    Only 14 Years ?? We get More than that for Playing 2 Up !!
    Twyla
    6th Oct 2014
    6:03pm
    Frank,

    Re: your comments of 12:22 pm.

    I should have explained myself better.

    The Islamic community should recognise that it is not only Muslims, but also any
    non-Muslim who was unhinged, could use the burqa to commit a crime in parliament. Thus, it is a security risk.

    The burqa is not a requirement of the Islamic religion, it predates Islam. Indeed, a few Islamic states have banned the wearing of it in certain circumstances.

    I fully endorse the comments about the burqa and women. It posits them in a degrading way within their society. To me, the burqa is as offensive as the yellow star on Jews or the pink star on homosexuals.

    I suspect that in many cases, the burqa is synonymous with FGM.

    I have endeavoured to discuss this at the Meeting Place, but for the main, my comments have not been well received.
    miss aisle
    6th Oct 2014
    6:55pm
    Twila - I doubt if a non-muslim would be able to get their hands on a burqa.
    - Anyone not used to wearing it would probably trip up...
    - Much easier to use a balaclava, the old stockings, or a mask.
    (not speaking from experience!
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2014
    6:59pm
    Twila,
    You a right, the Burqa wearing in parliament is a security issue and it's one that I have certainly not been concerned about over the years.
    But.
    Here's my dilemma. The more I think about this, the more I come to the realisation that it is just plain wrong. People can call me a bigot and a racist and all the other names, I don't care. As one gets older one tends to see injustices for what they are. The treatment of Muslim Women is just plain wrong on many levels.

    Twila, what is the Meeting Place?
    Twyla
    6th Oct 2014
    7:08pm
    Frank this is the link to the Meeting Place.

    Here YLC members put up their own topics for discussion ... it often gets very heated.

    http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/the_meeting_place

    Do please join as I think you (and others here) have important things to say.
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2014
    7:11pm
    Thank you
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2014
    7:16pm
    miss aisle you can buy a Burqa online. I would think?
    miss aisle
    7th Oct 2014
    10:37pm
    The wise owl is right again!
    miss aisle
    7th Oct 2014
    10:38pm
    The wise owl is right again!
    miss aisle
    8th Oct 2014
    9:58am
    Twila, you mentioning about the possiblity of the burqa getting into the hands of
    "an unhinged non-muslim" -- is getting off the beaten track.
    If only, that was our main concern !
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    10:25am
    Yes, correct missy it's a Burqa, not an iron man costume.
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    4:40pm
    Talk about giving Two Hoots !!
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2014
    4:54pm
    I know it's off subject but to me it correlates with the poor treatment of women in a certain religion.
    The case has been ongoing since early 2012 but was moved to the high court and was due to be heard 3 October. I am interested to hear the result of this case. I think it is the first arrest of FGM in Australia? It must cost a lot to defend this case? Where is all that money coming from?
    particolor
    6th Oct 2014
    5:26pm
    One Guess ?? US !!!
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2014
    5:35pm
    No way, I'm thinking France or UK?
    I only just realised what you meant when going on about the left hand. HA HA, that hilarious. I can see why the right hand doesn't (want to) know what the left hand has been doing.
    particolor
    6th Oct 2014
    5:56pm
    NO NO !! Us !! We Us and Co !!! You don't think those Butchers would pay Do You ??
    particolor
    6th Oct 2014
    5:58pm
    There was Gunfighter named Left Hand Luke !! I wonder if He was Islamic ??
    Adrianus
    6th Oct 2014
    6:28pm
    Oh, US. Yes possibly.
    I'm not going to buy anymore vegemite. I bought a 560gm jar on special 2 years ago.
    particolor
    6th Oct 2014
    7:39pm
    We have eaten it over 10 years old out bush and we are still here ?? It was to say the least, Mature, Demure yet Elegant and Playful !!
    Adrianus
    7th Oct 2014
    12:42pm
    yep, if they find a jar in the pyramids it would be ok.
    Adrianus
    7th Oct 2014
    1:30pm
    By the way, you sure that wasn't a bottle of red you found?
    particolor
    7th Oct 2014
    3:53pm
    Frank !! It was in a White Jar and a Tin Lid and we ate it on Wheat Bix !! I think it was Older than 10 Years but Delicious !! And Unblessed !!
    particolor
    7th Oct 2014
    3:57pm
    It was all we had left till we got to Town !!
    Adrianus
    7th Oct 2014
    4:33pm
    I was once caught out in the bush with only a bottle of French champagne (which was a going away gift) and a can of baked beans. Unknowingly, having what was soon to become Australia's national dish.
    particolor
    7th Oct 2014
    5:21pm
    Baked Beans and Sardines !!... Advance Australia Fare !!
    miss aisle
    7th Oct 2014
    10:52pm
    Wow, Frank - With the gas from the champagne being charged by the baked beans,
    you would'a been a powerful man!
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    8:45am
    yesiree!! miss aisle!! That bottle had a good shake up on the dirt road alright and was ready to explode. up up and away.....swoooosh!!!
    miss aisle
    8th Oct 2014
    10:00am
    Good that you came back down to terra firma again !
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    4:45pm
    They used Him for a Carbide Lamp for 3 Days !!
    Sampancho
    7th Oct 2014
    10:53am
    Wait till we have the first terrorist attack by some lunatic wearing a burka. All the politically correct bleeding hearts will disappear into the woodwork.
    Thee burka represents the total subjugation of women by misogynist Muslim men and should be banned everywhere.
    geomac
    7th Oct 2014
    2:19pm
    Anyone who thinks a person can wear what they like , decency laws permitting will still think the same. In Australia a woman is battered or killed every week and not while wearing a burqua. Ebola is raging out of control but we cannot find the funds to send a team of medics. We had no trouble sending hundred odd bods to the Ukraine to achieve very little. We had 800 odd cops doing raids for one charge. Keystone cops ?
    geomac
    7th Oct 2014
    3:46pm
    In Australia a woman is battered or killed every week and not by someone wearing a burqua.
    particolor
    7th Oct 2014
    3:55pm
    Nor a Straw Hat with Corks Dangling from it !!
    geomac
    7th Oct 2014
    5:22pm
    I would agree particolor as no dress code for mongrels.
    particolor
    7th Oct 2014
    5:29pm
    I was just watching New Tricks ! And it was a Jeckle and Hyde type of one !! It turned out the Night Watchman did it ! I Think ??
    miss aisle
    7th Oct 2014
    11:03pm
    sampancho - the bleeding hearts are wearing blinkers !
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    8:35am
    Absolutely Sampancho, if a non Muslim man insisted his wife wear such a garment because of his household culture or self styled religion, it would be fought out in the courts.
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    4:34pm
    And be Ordered to wear Nothing but a French Maids Apron !!
    Precious 1
    7th Oct 2014
    10:46pm
    Why not ban it...before long they will be more than us Christian people you and everyone tom dick and harry know this why be afraid to say it...they say it to us...had it said to me many times and also they saying they more right to be in Australia than us from the west......how about that.....and why on earth are they all coming here anyway to a Christian country......
    particolor
    7th Oct 2014
    10:51pm
    Only 11 Weeks till Christmas ??
    geomac
    7th Oct 2014
    11:31pm
    2% of the population will be more than us christian people ? 61% in the 2011 census. Now that would be a miracle of biblical proportions defying human reproduction and death rates.
    MacI
    8th Oct 2014
    6:40am
    Christianity is a religion of love and grace and yet I see so little of it in the comments posted. 61% of us may identify ourselves as Christian but not many of us are practicing Christians otherwise we would follow the radical teaching of Christ - "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" and "Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you."
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    8:06am
    Only do it first !
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    8:27am
    KCI, wise words.
    "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" and "Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you."
    I have done my very best to practice that all my life and I am getting better at it as time goes by, but I cant get over the fact that I have only 4 cheeks.
    The world is changing KCI. There are people who haven't heard about the Pygmalion Effect and are born into a world of fear and hatred which is deeply embedded into the culture.
    It is love and grace which is crying out stop, enough is enough. If we don't object to it then it becomes even more embedded.
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    8:32am
    I think You had better put that Passage in the Quran and see how we go then ??
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    8:39am
    parti, the more thought that goes into the subject of religion the more I wonder why has it been such a long time to wait for a new religious leader to write a book? Seems there was a big rush to the publishers between 1500 to 3000 years ago but nothing since?
    miss aisle
    8th Oct 2014
    9:43am
    KCI - If we allow Christianity to be pushed aside in our own country, we are not
    using the brains God gave us! If we can see big problems ahead, we should fight for what we believe in. Christians and non-Christians are, in general, - beautiful,
    compassionate people, but, when it comes to muslims - they choose to follow
    deep-seated evil ways.
    They are, & will be a threat to our lifestyle - & the more we give, the more they
    take, thanking their allah.
    God gave us a brain to reason & there's no reasoning with them. We're foolish if we put out the welcome mat, when they will walk all over us as well.
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    11:07am
    miss aisle, many Muslims appear to adopt evil ways. I have known quite a few Muslims and become close to some. I have lost an innocent non Muslim friend to a Islam terrorist attack. Certainly if there is a culture of anti social, anti humanitarian behaviour gaining a strong foothold in a religion one would surely have to question their support?
    miss aisle
    8th Oct 2014
    4:01pm
    Frank - do you think your deceased muslim friend would have welcomed
    sharia law if he had a choice?
    I think in general, many people are fearful of muslims - wondering who is capable of
    what, & when, - to reach out in friendship & support.
    I would have no problems reaching out to other religions.
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    4:38pm
    Baker wrote a Religious Book Frank !
    God Is Bread !!
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    4:46pm
    miss aisle, she was not a Muslim. She loved everyone. I don't know what her opinion on that would have been.I'm too sad to talk about that. sorry I mentioned itnow.
    I understand your point. I think the situation is much much worse in the UK.
    Jihadi John and others are from there where many arrests have been made. The UK government have waited far too long to take action. I am pleased we changed our government last year, because the decision would have rested with the Greens and Unions, and we know what their position is.
    miss aisle
    8th Oct 2014
    7:11pm
    I'm sorry I misunderstood, Frank. Also, sorry for your loss of such a wonderful
    friend, which, obviously affects you deeply.
    I very much agree with your thoughts on our govt. - hope they act before we're
    in as much strife as UK. Not looking promising though.
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    7:44pm
    Sorry if I sounded a little abrupt. I thought too deeply without thinking. he he, if that's possible.
    I wouldn't be all that sure about our government not being up to the challenge. What gives me a lot of confidence is the way in which USA, UK and Australia are in complete uniformity on this issue. Each country is behaving in the same way. eg. stopping Islamists from leaving the country if they suspect they're headed for a trouble spot etc.
    miss aisle
    9th Oct 2014
    11:01am
    I understand, - sometimes I get caught up between emotions & facts, then in
    hindsight, feel like a "missile" !
    miss aisle
    9th Oct 2014
    11:50am
    You simply wanted to keep your special friend's memory in high esteem.
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    12:17pm
    Yes, I had no right to mention it. We have all been touched by terrorism in one way or another and we just forgive and get on with life. Turn the other cheek I guess. I feel in many ways Australia has reached a level of maturity through personal experiences that we can rightfully say we have had enough. If you want to preach hate or support those who do, then we will no longer tolerate it.
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    4:59pm
    Frank there have been religious books books recently didn't the founder of the mob in Salt Lake City whist wandering in a New York forest find a new book of the bible .And then their is Scientology , by a sci fi writer.
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    5:06pm
    This Blog may go on until The End Times ??
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    9:08pm
    I get the Times on line...
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    9:21pm
    I get The Washington Post but I'm not telling anyone !!
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    11:26pm
    You really can't trust the Mail these days....
    Thogo
    8th Oct 2014
    10:53am
    Although offensive to some, wearing speedos, a cross or some other mode of attire is not disguising a persons identity as the burqa does. Is the burqa a religious or traditional requirement??
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    11:18am
    According to scholars of the Quran there is no religious requirement to wear a Burqa. Speedos were worn by our lifesavers and athletes because you glide through the water faster when wearing them.
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    9:17pm
    The Burqua according to the PM of Malaysia is not Muslim but an old Arab custom .
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    9:25pm
    Well that old Arab should have kept it to Himself !!. And they wont let them Speedo's go will they ?
    roccy
    8th Oct 2014
    4:47pm
    Really what has a woman or anyone for that mater covering their face got to do with religion,if it was a religious requirement it would be worn in the house as well, but it's not, it is not written in the koran, no one should be allowed to walk around with the face covered, try walking into a bank with your face covered, in your own home you can do whatever you want but not out in public, in todays environment face coverings should be illegal
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    4:52pm
    Unless Accompanied by a Gorilla !!
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    4:57pm
    What The ??..
    I thought Hate Meetings were Illegal ??
    I heard on the Radio this Morning that They want a law to Stop Religious Fanatics from Coming here and teaching Hate ??
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    5:04pm
    People were marching in the street here, all opposed to religious fanatics leaving.
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    5:13pm
    Leaving What ??
    Adrianus
    8th Oct 2014
    5:17pm
    Leaving Australia!! There were 200 protesters with anti Abbott posters. The logic is 'arrest them before they leave the country, because when they get to Syria they are a huge costly nuisance.
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    5:27pm
    And Frighten the Horses in the Road !!
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    10:16pm
    I couldn't leave it on 666 the Great Satins Number !!
    particolor
    8th Oct 2014
    10:17pm
    And the Moon is coming out of Eclipse !!
    Spanna
    9th Oct 2014
    12:02am
    In any place there is a security risk then the face must be shown. I can't remember all this outcry when motor bike riders had to remove their helmets in banks.
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    9:30am
    The bike riders didn't prepare well. They had no committee for propaganda. They had not formed a proper religion and for the most part did not want to attract attention.
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    9:51pm
    Slack Cows ! They didn't even put a Chain and Sprocket on the Vegemite ??
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    7:51am
    I keep hearing people saying we are lucky we haven't had any attacks in Australia yet.
    This of course is complete rubbish.
    1972 bombing of the Yugoslav General Trade Agency in Sydney;
    1978 bombing of the Sydney Hilton hotel during a Commonwealth Heads of Government Regional Meeting;
    1980 assassination of the Turkish Consul-General in Sydney;
    1982 bombing of the Israeli Consulate and the Hakoah Club in Sydney;
    1986 bombing of the Russell Street Police Station in Melbourne; and
    1986 bombing at the Turkish Consulate in Melbourne.
    It is the anti terrorism laws and the good people who uphold these laws which have made us lucky in Australia.
    There is no difference between a Master Race or a Master Religion!
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    8:50am
    And I thank You Master Jack !!
    Now back to My Islamite on Toast !!
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    9:26am
    I have doubled my vegemite intake to get to the bottom of the jar quicker.
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    2:58pm
    You'll Burst out in an Iron Rash Frank !! And You face will Rust off ??
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    6:01pm
    Are you serious? I have noticed a slight change in complexion? I have been eating this waste from the carlton brewery since I was a toddler. Has anything been added to halal it?
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    6:10pm
    Nothing has happened to the Taste I don't think ?? But it Spreads a Lot faster now !!
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    11:24pm
    Can Hindus eat a Marmite
    particolor
    12th Oct 2014
    8:48am
    I Dunno ? I thought they were into Red Hot Curry ?

    9th Oct 2014
    8:18am
    In fighting those who have different values than us and would do us harm , we have to be careful we do not lose the very values we are defending, one is 18c we have lost the right to offend. The other is to wear whatever we wish. While retaining the right to a dress code on private premises.
    The burqua is not a Muslim requirement but an Arab custom in a few orthodox communities.
    Why women's rights advocates are not campaigning for this mark of women's subjugation is a question..
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    9:21am
    Pete, we have lost the right to offend so that the offender can be offensive. That's where careful gets us.
    Has anyone had any sort of commercial interaction with a burqa clad person? Ever seen a bank teller in a burqa? Bought a toaster at Harvey Norman from a burqa clad sales person? Ever had a real estate agent arrive in a burqa? Ever seen your accountant peering at you through the burqa? Ever seen a tuppaware car fly past with a burqa driver?
    Please tell us of your experience? Otherwise, from this thread, it would be easy to form the opinion that the burqa is only worn on the street or in Parliament.
    miss aisle
    9th Oct 2014
    11:39am
    And ..... In hospital, waiting for a nurse to give you a wash - .....?
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    1:52pm
    Yes miss aisle, anywhere in the workplace.
    There are no bans on burqas in the workplace and yet there is no evidence that they are worn in the workplace.
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    2:31pm
    Surely, if burqas were worn in the workplace, there would be O H & S exemptions in certain circumstances? Did somebody mention that? Scary thought.
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    2:55pm
    I couldn't think of anything worse than getting Your Burqa caught in the Conveyor Belt at the Vegemite Quality Control Centre ??
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    6:12pm
    I would like to see limits and some common sense prevail in the workplace. Only one burqa per department to save confusion or name tags to be worn all the time!!!
    Furthermore mandatory removal of burqas for employee of the month photos.
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    6:31pm
    Is there such a thing as a Religious Zanyist ?? If there is Your one !!..
    We have started a New Order here and our Uniform is Monks Cowls !!

    9th Oct 2014
    10:49am
    LIKE a watchdog barking after your house has been ransacked by burglars, the ABC’s Media Watch finally has reported on the national security legislation that could see journalists jailed for 10 years.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/abbott-governments-security-legislation-stripping-away-our-rights/story-e6frg6zo-1227084251011
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    11:29am
    I remember going into my bosses office and each time my gaze became fixed on the sign above his head. It read....."if you are not looking for a solution then you are part of the problem." That's what we should be saying to ABC journo's.

    9th Oct 2014
    12:31pm
    I know this is off topic but what the heck you only live once


    Whilst Labor continues in its dilemma of how to reduce Union influence in order to become relevant. Isn't the Union movement in a worse dilemma of of removing its support for a political party in order to become relevant.,
    In order to attract more than the already inflated figure ( at their own admission) of twelve per cent of the private sector workforce shouldn't the Union movement modernise and try to attract the other 88 per cent ,
    Obviously today small business and contractors also need representation in their dealings with large corporations and government.
    This un represented majority could be a field of recruitment for a apolitical Union movement.
    Australia today is no longer a boss's and worker mentality of the fifties ..
    geomac
    9th Oct 2014
    12:44pm
    Will we be asking for churches to repaint the images of the virgin Mary wearing a hijab next ?
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    3:11pm
    But they will like the Virgin bit !!
    Anonymous
    9th Oct 2014
    5:49pm
    Geo Mac that comment would not be worthy of Palmer or Hanson .,and is the opposite of what is required in calming a situation.
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    8:06pm
    It depends on who you mean by "we?"
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    8:32pm
    They were Surrounded by Hostile Indians and .....The Lone Ranger said to Tonto.."Looks like We are in a tight Spot Here Tonto !!".
    and Tonto said "What do You Mean We Ranger ?"
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    9:07pm
    That how the Ranger got his handle.
    geomac
    9th Oct 2014
    3:28pm
    5But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved.
    6For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil.

    7* A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.d 8For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;e 9nor was man created for woman, but woman for man;f
    CORINTHIANS
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    3:37pm
    Was Corinthian a Full Quid ??
    Anonymous
    9th Oct 2014
    3:44pm
    From memory believe Catholic women and girls wore head coverings - hats, mantillas, scarves - right up until the early 1980s, and as a child in the late 50s and 60s can't recall a time when I entered a church without some sort of head covering....think I even wore a hanky on my head a couple of times.

    Think the ruling relating to head coverings for female catholics was in place until 1983 when there was some change to the Code of Canon Law....
    geomac
    9th Oct 2014
    3:53pm
    It was Paul I think partcolor and Corinthians were were a group of people like Melbournians ?
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    3:53pm
    That's Right !! They came into the Twentieth Century !!..
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    6:07pm
    Born Again Melbournians ??
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    6:49pm
    Just remember, it was the moderate Islamists who called for a fatwa on Salmon Rushdie.
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    7:04pm
    Yes, they are not as Bad as the other ones ! They only wanted Him Dead !!
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    7:07pm
    Fortunately his book was a success so he was able to afford 24hr guards.
    geomac
    9th Oct 2014
    7:08pm
    Just remember that all the major religions have babble and laws that make no sense in todays world. However there are many followers who think their books and teachings still hold the same as when it was written or rewritten in some cases.
    Frank
    just remember it is and was modern christians who blew up abortion clinics and in Melb shot a guard at one.
    I am not sure but doesn,t a person have to be a head honcho like Kharmarni of Iran to issue a fatwah ? Dead now but assume you know who I mean.
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    7:19pm
    Geo.. It doesn't matter who it was, but they did put one of those Fat things out on Him !! ....... I heard Him on the Radio the other night !!
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    7:28pm
    Yes some Christian acts are abhorrent too. I think we all need to get behind our government and support the anti terrorist law reform.
    geomac
    9th Oct 2014
    7:46pm
    Frank there are already efficient laws in place which can and have been used to effect the desired outcome. In one particular case an undesired outcome because of overreach , Haneef/Andrews. 10 years for a journo doing what journos do , informing the public is something the Stasi would applaud.
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    8:04pm
    Geo, Haneef was a Dr working on the Gold Coast QLD? I'm talking about the new laws that will allow AFP to enter property from over the neighbours fence disguised as neighbours.
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    8:26pm
    Frank ?? What else is New ?? I saw that in South Aussie 25 Years ago !!
    Adrianus
    9th Oct 2014
    9:06pm
    I know all my neighbours quite well. In fact If one was climbing over my fence I would know if he was a neighbour straight away!! Parti if it was 25 years ago I doubt if they were AFP though, that's the difference!!! These laws are new!!!
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    9:33pm
    Frank I'm Telling the TRUTH and it was My fence !! It was the Drug Squad and They were going next Door And one of the Gerillas told Me to Shut Up !! I didn't care anyhow as I was coming home through the Back gate Half Pizzed !! I went to bed !!.
    No neighbours the Next day ?? I wonder where they went ??
    particolor
    9th Oct 2014
    9:40pm
    PS.. Yes I've had an Exciting life ! And I'm still having it !! Where I live now is not much Different !!.. I see the Cops often and Yes They still go over fences chasing Scallywags !! Come here for a week and You can tell all Your Friends that You have been to the Bronx !!
    Adrianus
    10th Oct 2014
    7:53am
    If it quietens down there and you are looking for more excitement, why not move to Lakemba? Sheikh Ismail al-Wahwah, known in the Islamic community as Abu Anas, will make a speech in Lakemba tonight. I don't want to pre-empt what will be said but I imagine the theme will go something like this...... "On the streets there will be only the Sharia dress code. Anyone, Muslims or Non Muslims.....a Muslim street has to be like that." He has been deported from Indonesia which is perhaps where he got his nick- name. Australian authorities are trying to deport him too. They are just looking for a country he hasn't been deported from, I guess?
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    9:26am
    Typical of Australia ! Import the Best and Eat the Rest !!
    Adrianus
    10th Oct 2014
    9:40am
    parti, Can you move to somewhere less exciting?
    I think the NSW Police are the best force in the country! I have nothing but admiration for the job they do. You watch how they handle the situation tonight. These men and women are on top of their game!!!
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    12:58pm
    I didn't say the Police were a failure ,they do their best here !! Just that some of the EELS they chase here are Too Slippery !! ..
    Adrianus
    10th Oct 2014
    3:44pm
    In no way did I suggest that. Just saying, they are better at their job than any other state or Territory Force. Sounds like you live on a canal.
    pjvixen
    10th Oct 2014
    12:57pm
    No where should one be able to hide one's identity behind a face covering. That is why Bike Helmets cannot be worn in Banks, Government Buildings, etc., why should the Burqa be allowed. Is allowing the Burqa not discrimination against those who were Helmets?
    THE FORGOTTEN
    10th Oct 2014
    3:51pm
    Personally I am glad the moslim women wear the Burqa or Hijab.When touring Europe I met a group of Moslim women with full body dress.My partner went into the toilet/shower block and had to retreat due to the putrid smell and ugliness.
    I DO NOT agree they are allowed to wear full face covering in Australia,as like us they are obliged to follow our custom,just like we have to follow their custom in their country.The Moslim is a sworn enemy of Christianity (I am an agnostic) and Western culture.They are touting the death of all INFIDELS and that includes all non moslim citizens.With them producing 5+ times the number of Moslimettes (at the Australian taxpayers expense) our cultural and political system is on a rapid down hill roller coaster.Security of the Australian public is and should be the focus of any Australian Government.Unfortunately due to a weak and gutless PM ABBOTT and Co., with the assistance of the Greens,particularly radical Hansen-Young (that doesn't sound right;ABBOTT and PM ?????), political correctness overrules the Constitution and Legislated laws.
    This latest scourge to enter our shores at unlimited numbers,shall never integrate or abide by Australian law,as it runs against the much misused Quran's teachings,wordings and beliefs by varying styles of radical moslims.They cannot even get alone with their own religious factions (the Sunnies,Kurds and Shits),and luckily are wiping each other out. The tip of the iceberg is beginning to melt,as Australian born black devils are returning to their parents countries to murder each other,and remove the heads of Westerners too stupid to stay away from the Middle East. How long before they return to remove Australian heads.?
    I find it Ironic that this is the second herd of 'Illegal Immigrants' in a leaky boat,to paddle to our shores,passing through other countries to get here,and have not integrated.Australia is know for it's weak governments,it's open slather provision of pensions,TV's and housing. The $billions being spent to stop this ILLEGAL scourge, should be used to house Australian's living in cars,on the streets and being shuffled between motels and grubby middle eastern owned hovels. Ms Hansen-Young,who I have on several occasions invited (with no response) to house and pay the costs of the boat rats,continues to espouse her radical views without a thought for "charity begins at home'.
    Moslim women keep on your body dress but have the courtesy to follow OUR culture and show your face.
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2014
    4:06pm
    Yeah bring back White Australia ..Plus who let all the Micks in with their Popery and idol worship.,
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    5:06pm
    The Government Did ! They THOUGHT they were buying Votes ??.. Didn't they get a Shock ??
    Adrianus
    10th Oct 2014
    5:32pm
    The, has there been another boat arrival? Where did you hear this?
    miss aisle
    10th Oct 2014
    5:43pm
    In the 700 odd comments on this thread, - so many common sense statements &
    real facts.
    There are dark, threatening clouds looming & growing over the lifestyle we know &
    love. I'd say most Aussies are feeling the potential danger, especially watching the chaos in other western countries.

    Somehow, we must get through to the govt. to take drastic measures -
    emails, letters, phone calls, petitions to any pollie who'll listen, & those that don't. Then again, again & again.
    All this political correctness has gone berzerk. Cannot just stand by.
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    5:49pm
    No need I don't think Miss ? I think the are already Soiling their Under Garments ??
    Adrianus
    10th Oct 2014
    6:02pm
    miss aisle, I have been working tirelessly every day. It's all coming together nicely. Abbott has support from all States and Federal ALP now. These new laws will come together without conflict. Australia will be united in fighting terror. Don't worry about that!
    miss aisle
    10th Oct 2014
    6:18pm
    particolor - I don't want to join them !

    Frank - All your research - the owl taking so much time to enlighten people.....
    I'm sure many are grateful for your words.
    Don't know why - breathed a sigh (relief) after reading the above.
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2014
    6:19pm
    Crikey partly coloured was that boat full of Micks with their pedaphilie mullah ..
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2014
    6:22pm
    Frank I am a libertarian and a member of the LDP and oppose the new laws . It can mean jail for ten years to journalists . As I posted above . Will try to find DL. Article in the bible sorryAustralian
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2014
    6:38pm
    LIKE a watchdog barking after your house has been ransacked by burglars, the ABC’s Media Watch finally has reported on the national security legislation that could see journalists jailed for 10 years.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/abbott-governments-security-legislation-stripping-away-our-rights/story-e6frg6zo-1227084251011
    Adrianus
    10th Oct 2014
    7:00pm
    miss aisle, did you catch Emma Alberici's Lateline interview with Islamic radical Wassim Doureihi. She was on the attack from the get go!
    The question Emma really wanted to ask was....."In his caliphate, in his ideal Islamic state would I, as a woman, have the opportunity to sit opposite him as an equal and engage in a robust discussion about these issues on the public broadcaster? I don't think he would have answered," she told Fairfax Media.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/lateline-host-emma-albericis-only-regret-over-hizb-uttahrir-interview-20141009-113sgr.html#ixzz3Fj7hC8O4
    miss aisle
    10th Oct 2014
    9:20pm
    No, I didn't - but have now ! Thanks for the address.
    That's the muslim babble I mentioned once before....
    Well, if that doesn't show their true colours !

    He hasn't got the discipline/respect for others, or the intelligence to be able to handle a proper & fair debate. - Only knows gutter tactics !

    I did watch the interview the following night with another muslim -
    but didn't believe a word he said. He must have a different Qu'ran than I've read.
    Adrianus
    10th Oct 2014
    10:40pm
    I just thought Alberici's interview was full of feeling and indicative of the effect these people are having on freedom loving women. Australian women see an injustice here and they wont let go of this now. Not to mention that this was on the ABC!!! They are usually pro Islam.
    miss aisle
    11th Oct 2014
    1:07pm
    Yes Frank, you rightly pointed out the one good thing about the interview.
    A big plus in our favour.
    sybilla
    10th Oct 2014
    5:06pm
    On behalf of the Grammar Police please bear with me if I nitpick. A burqa is a piece of cloth, so it lacks a brain, and thus the ability to make decisions on behalf of itself, or to act on the bans or decisions of others. A person can be banned from certain actions. A piece of cloth can not.
    Thus " ...to suggest that the burqa needs to be banned(sic)..." is neither logical, nor grammatically correct. A person may be banned from wearing it, or they can if we have such a selective interpretation of the democracy we hold so dear.
    THE FORGOTTEN
    10th Oct 2014
    5:15pm
    Get a life Mr perfect
    Adrianus
    10th Oct 2014
    5:35pm
    So qestra, are you for banning the burqa or against it?
    miss aisle
    10th Oct 2014
    5:52pm
    questra - you're turning a simple topic into a weird joke of some sort !
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    9:27pm
    I wonder if they are naked under a Burqua
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    9:37pm
    Someone told Me they wear a Space Suit under it ?
    Swimfins
    10th Oct 2014
    5:46pm
    When someone moves to a new country they should expect to conform to the customs of that country. The burqua is not one of our Australian customs. After all, "when in Rome, do as the Romans do".
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    5:54pm
    Hail Ceaser !!.... Well I'm off to the Reprogramming Meeting tonight at the Mosque !!
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2014
    6:04pm
    I think we should have full cover swim wear . Fat people look disgusting in bikinis..In fact I think we should ban fat people .,,
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    6:38pm
    And the Descendants of Adam and Eve Sent Back to where they came from !! There Earth Fixed !!
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2014
    7:03pm
    Didn't everything come from where it came from .Including our ancestors priime evil slime..,,
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    7:09pm
    well I went for the Biblical Explanation !! But the Darwinian One is Even better !!
    I think ??.. And Yes a lot of it did Crawl out of the Sea !! I think ??
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    4:46pm
    Swim fins what did the Romans ever do for us?
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    5:01pm
    Spaghetti ??
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    5:07pm
    concrete
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    5:12pm
    They Came, They Saw, They Concreted !!.. Well at least they didn't try to Correct our Colonial Behaviour ??
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    6:58pm
    And I'm glad they didn't give the Peanut Butter a Blessing !! Its all we have left !!
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    8:57pm
    What about the aqueducts a voice from the rear says ...,
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    8:59pm
    The Romans didn't have spaghetti that was young Marco the inventor of Polo mints..,
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    9:06pm
    Oh by the way I've changed to Devilled Ham !! They wont touch that stuff !!
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    9:12pm
    Yeah !! Wasn't that Marco Polo the one who Invaded the New World in a Boat ?? And thove their Spices or blessed them or something Evil ??
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    9:23pm
    That was his brother another wog ..Columbus Polo..
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    9:32pm
    No He's the Clown who gave all the Incas Venereal something !!
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    11:09pm
    That was Bernado O 'Higgins an Mick wog
    particolor
    12th Oct 2014
    8:40am
    I've got it now ! That was Fernando Cordite ..That's right ! He was the guy that stole all their Gold and tried to Convert them all to Christianity, and they wouldn't have a Bar of that, so He killed them all instead ??
    HMM?? There's a lesson in that Somewhere ??
    Anonymous
    12th Oct 2014
    11:20am
    They were all Commos better dead than red ...
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    6:16pm
    I get the Impression that Almost Everybody wants Australia left alone ? Our Politicians can Bugger the Place up Quit nicely on their own Without any Help !!
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    7:13pm
    There are that many Funny and not so Comments on this Blog that it is taking up to 18 Seconds to load the page !!
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2014
    7:47pm
    Australia should bow down to three Gods that rescued them from a Sicialist nightmare that engulfed the UK .
    Bob Menzies Thatcher and her disciple BobHawke ...
    particolor
    10th Oct 2014
    8:16pm
    Yes !!
    What the Hell has Yeast got to do with Killing a Beast ??..
    Some Peeps cant mind their own Business !!
    We don't tell them what Brand of Coffee they can Slurp !!
    geomac
    10th Oct 2014
    9:20pm
    Frank
    I assume/hope you followed up Emma the following night with another interview.

    " EMMA ALBERICI: Last night on this program you'd be aware that Wassim Doureihi representing Hizb ut-Tahrir explained to us that Islamic State and other terrorist groups don't exist in a vacuum. He said they exist as, "... a reaction to Western interference in Islamic lands." Does he have a point?

    HASET SALI: Well, there may be some substance there, but it doesn't justify anyone - I don't care what organisation they belong - to tear up the rules of not only Islam, but all religions relating to common decency and respecting all humanity. As far as I'm concerned, there is an obligation on all believing people to not only serve God in whatever form or shape they want to, but also to respect and serve all humanity and to also care for all living creatures on this Earth and to look after the fragile environment that we have on this Earth. And I would accept that mistakes have been made on all sides, but that doesn't justify tearing up the common, basic, decent principles of Islam or any other religion. "

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4104089.htm
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2014
    9:31pm
    Does anyone understand what this idiot is saying ? Do you have a viewpoint Geomac
    Or. Do you just go with flow?
    geomac
    10th Oct 2014
    10:45pm
    I am not religious or follow any creed. Common basic principles of respect and decency to our fellow citizens would be the way I would want us to behave.
    Who is the idiot ? Respecting all humanity sounds right to me. The religious stuff is not needed to achieve that but I do not care one way or the other if people choose that path. Thats their choice.
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    12:12am
    I like moms Apple pie too
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    12:14am
    For Gods sake say something we can disagree with...
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    8:10am
    I think Stalin had Charisma and Talent !!
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    8:53am
    Geo, I didn't but have now. The only similarity between these 2 men is they are Australian born and promote Islam in different ways. One uses a primitive thuggery and the other a corporate, financial approach. Regardless of what Haset Sali says about loving everyone. He is a lawyer after all. He says..."When I was heavily involved with AFIC, we spent a lot of time in trying to get the right message across, and, unfortunately, that's changed." I wish he could have expounded more on that statement. Which ever way you look at it Islam has a major trust problem. You can donate to Haset Sali for the building of the new Mosque in Maroochydoor if you like.
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    8:58am
    I donated a 220g Jar of Vegemite for the Workers Lunches !!
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    9:04am
    I think that should read Stalin had Christmas presents .
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    9:08am
    Yes parti, you are correct! We are all donating to the mosque, simply by buying halal certified vegemite. It may be symbolic that the site purchased has a Uniting Church which will be demolished to make way for the new Mosque.
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    9:26am
    Geo, it is interesting , or perhaps coincidental that just as Lateline is fighting for it's very survival they are coming up with some hard hitting journalism to regain their equilibrium?
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    12:55pm
    I'll bet they cart away 3 Feet of Infidel Soil before Building ?
    It'll be OK though ! I only had 2 Sangers out of it before I noticed the AFIC Swizz Dizzy on the label !!
    miss aisle
    11th Oct 2014
    1:26pm
    Emma's first "guest" was an obnoxious bully,
    while her second "guest" was obnoxiously deceitful.
    If anyone believes the lawyer, they're very easily led by the nose!
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    1:46pm
    You have a very good way of simplifying and getting to the point.
    geomac
    11th Oct 2014
    1:53pm
    miss aisle
    " Emma's first "guest" was an obnoxious bully,
    while her second "guest" was obnoxiously deceitful.
    If anyone believes the lawyer, they're very easily led by the nose! "
    So nobody would satisfy you. Actually I guess if they changed their religion then you might be satisfied and accept the moderate person. Be a christian like the Exclusive Brethren or that Danny nahlia mob catch the fire or whatever it is ? Maybe whatever creed you follow if any.
    It would seem you are like some who say the moslems should be protesting about this or that but ignore any moderate comments or declarations because its not outrageous or newsworthy to the media.
    Talk about a stacked deck.
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    2:15pm
    geo, I remind you that it was the moderates who called for the fatwa on Salmon Rushdie. and he is just one person with a view. a small fish as it were.
    geomac
    11th Oct 2014
    3:14pm
    Frank
    Who are the moderates you speak of ? Then again what is a moderate ? Who decides etc etc. Anyway as I stated before its Imans who declare or at least thats what I thought. Mirabella called fellow liberals terrorists so was/is she a moderate , radical or a nutter like Bernardi ?
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    4:18pm
    Moderates are people who disassociate themselves from radicals. Radicals are people who were once moderates who just ran out of patience.
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    4:24pm
    And Patients are people who ran into Radicals !!
    miss aisle
    11th Oct 2014
    10:15pm
    geomac - you talk about "common basic principles of respect and decency to our
    fellow citizens" .
    When I read those words in the Qu'ran, - instead of the many ways to deceive/lie/
    kill the infidels (fellow citizens!) THEN I will accept what a muslim says seriously!!
    YOUR WORDS are DEFINITELY NOT in the Qu'ran !!
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    10:51pm
    5. The reward of goodness is nothing but goodness. (Al Quran 55:61)


    Read more: http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/10/human-rights/three-hundred-verses-about-compassionate-living-in-the-quran#ixzz3FptvK4fh
    miss aisle
    12th Oct 2014
    7:37am
    There is no reward of any description for non-muslims.
    Muslims are instructed to try & convert us (infidels), & if we don't,
    they are instructed to lie to us, be deceiptful, kill us, etc.
    The only people looked upon favourably in the Qu'ran are muslims.
    muslims are good at twisting the truth when it suits them!
    Anonymous
    12th Oct 2014
    12:52pm
    The Qur'an teaches that Islam is the continued faithful religion in the same line as the Prophets who were before Muhammad: The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah ... and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (42:13 AYA). The result of this view is that the scriptures given by these Prophets are considered to be genuine scriptures from God: But say, "We (Muslims) believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you (Jews & Christians); our Allah and your Allah is One" (29:46 AYA).

    In the Qur'an there are many references to the Jewish and Christian Holy Books. In fact the Qur'an addresses Christians and Jews in terms of the Book: O People of the Book! (5:68 AYA).

    God's Mission For The People of the Book

    Christians and Jews are mentioned in the Qur'an as the custodians of scripture: For to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book (5:47 AYA/44 MP). God gave the scripture to the Christians and Jews so that they could make known to the whole world and every nation the true knowledge of God: And remember Allah took a Covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it (3:187 AYA). Some of the Jews and Christians fulfilled this mission, others did not. Just as there are faithful and unfaithful Muslims so too the Qur'an distinguishes between the faithful and the unfaithful Christians and Jews.

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/onbible.htm
    miss aisle
    12th Oct 2014
    3:19pm
    Pete - how wrong you are in saying: - Our God & your Allah is One !
    Our God & your Allah is NOT One!

    Christians believe in the Triune God - Father, Son & Holy Spirit.
    You believe in Allah.

    And... Jesus was NOT a prophet; He IS the Son of God !
    He was NOT prophet like Abraham, Moses.....
    He was crucified on the cross & rose 3 days later. Jesus is alive now.
    ( You won't find in the Qu'ran that Jesus is the Son of God or that He was
    crucified)

    And... O People of the Book - is like a warning from muslims - change or else...

    Christians & Jews are looked upon extremely unfavourably in the Qu'ran - now, & in the "after life".

    Muslims are not to associate with them, they should lie to them, & decieve them.
    They "should be" killed.
    This is written over & over again!
    miss aisle
    12th Oct 2014
    3:35pm
    Do celebrate Christmas & Easter, Pete ?
    geomac
    10th Oct 2014
    9:25pm
    miss aisle
    We have laws that already are able to do what is required. These extra laws are just duplicates of existing ones similar to saying new funding for projects that is in fact old funding. The new laws however add stalinist style laws regarding free speech and curbs on democratic media and journalism.
    So the govt of the day can say stuff ups are national security issues and therefor not to be made public.
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2014
    9:35pm
    Yes I agree so why don't you vote LDP if you are a libertarian. ? But as I understand it you believe in big govt .
    Anonymous
    10th Oct 2014
    9:36pm
    I think you are a sheep in wolf's clothing.,
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    8:13am
    BAAAA! Err! AROOOOOOW !!
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    9:02am
    Geo, you would be hard pressed to get traction on that argument. People who suffer paranoia will always think the government is up to something behind closed doors and quite often they do only tell us what we need to know. However, do you think Bill is agreeing with Abbott because the new anti terror laws just benefit the politicians? You cannot be serious?
    miss aisle
    11th Oct 2014
    1:40pm
    geomac - I wonder how many more crimes could have been solved or solved
    quicker if the police etc., didn't have to go through so much red tape.
    The ones on the wrong side of the law would know all the loop holes just waiting to
    open up for them.
    We're fools if we don't change/introduce laws to suit the changes here. They're for our safety! I'd be happy with even more surveilance.
    geomac
    11th Oct 2014
    2:02pm
    Frank
    I am saying we already have sufficient laws and the proof is in the pudding. It was and is already against the law to fight in a foreign stoush and we can already suspend visa etc. We have many times stopped people coming to Australia by not issuing a visa eg that holocaust denier , forget his name.
    By Bill I take it you mean shorten. Its the old me too tactic when it suits the agenda and in any case the senate would have passed it with minor party numbers.
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    4:06pm
    Geo I think we need to give the government some ground on this. What are you afraid of?
    Yes I mean William Richard Shorten, just couldn't think of his name. Anyway give it another 18 months and many other people will have trouble remembering who he was or what he did.
    You have trouble remembering names too I see but not that he was a holocaust denier.
    We need to keep a step ahead of these terrorists. I'm not as familiar with constitutional law as you are so I am relying on our government and their political foes.
    miss aisle
    12th Oct 2014
    7:57am
    geomac - "so the govt of the day can say stuff ups are national security issues..."!!!!!
    So the govt have more powers to catch criminals is more like it !!
    What is wrong with the govt trying to keep innocent people safe ??
    You need a good dose of common sense.
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    6:45pm
    miss aisle,
    Well said!! there will always be some people who oppose the government on every issue without thinking about the issue.
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with these laws which serve to protect us all.
    particolor
    12th Oct 2014
    7:09pm
    TWO AND A HALF MILLION AUSTRALIANS ARE LIVING IN POVERTY !!??
    And they want to Whinge about Burqa's ???
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    7:25pm
    parti, the burqa issue is far bigger than many people realise!!
    particolor
    12th Oct 2014
    7:35pm
    They Should Hide Their Heads !! IN SHAME !!
    miss aisle
    12th Oct 2014
    8:10pm
    particolor - it is a sad fact of life, but our country will always have the poor.
    Unfortunately $billions were squandered recently & need to be paid back.
    This allows a lot less to be used for vital projects now.
    The tragic thing is, by the time the now govt. lifts our finances off the red page again, some people will want to vote for the opposition again!
    So...down we go again.

    The burqas, along with more mosques, halal food, bad attitudes, etc., are all stepping stones towards a foreign place.
    particolor
    12th Oct 2014
    8:39pm
    I also heard that on the News that Deficit Thing was a lot of Crap for Suckers << In slightly different words to that, but that's what it boiled down to and it Worked !! .
    But not on Me !!.. I'll bet some of those people would like a Plate full of Plaice !!
    Well the Poor didn't spend it ! And what are the vital Projects ..Skeleton Racks ??..
    Don't vote for any of the Lying Cows and they will have Gods Speed to Whack up their Mosques !!
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    9:48pm
    If we have so much money, why do we have so much debt?
    particolor
    12th Oct 2014
    9:57pm
    I just want to Hear Australia is a Wealth Country Just once More on the Radio or TV .
    And I'm ringing them to ask them to send Me Some of it ??.. Frank.. Don't make Me answer that !!..Thanks !!
    Maggie
    11th Oct 2014
    10:22am
    I don't know where you got the idea that Australia is "One of the most open-minded countries in the world" What a myth!! It has been known as a Racist country as long as I have been aware of such things; and I am pretty old!
    However I don't think the Burqa is something that should be worn in Public either(For once I agree with Tony Rabbit) .A head veil is o.k. And should be enough. Maggie
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    10:46am
    It's racism is it Maggie? I thought the majority of posts here reflected a disliking for a religion which seems to have a good measure of murderous thugs and people who support them. The UN believes that if Kobane falls then 12000 people will be killed. And we have people here in Australia cheering about that. I'm sure you support the governments stance on terror as I do.
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    1:15pm
    I liked the Afghanistany Islamic Lecturer on the Radio late last night. He said that Girls are Stupid, until He was asked to explain that ? He spent 10 minutes trying to back out of it !! He had a problem with the Western Education System !! It teaches the wrong Message ?? I would have told Him the Children were in School not in Church !!!..Get a real Job and move Your mind forward 700 years !!
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    8:04pm
    I really think this whole thing is a storm in a teacup . Everyone should have the right to deny entry based on a dress code so if parliamentarians deny entry to a Burqua Wearer that is their right . But in a public space it is our right to decide our own dress code.
    I think many posts are simply an attack on Islam.
    miss aisle
    12th Oct 2014
    8:14am
    Maggie - We are a tolerant people - When univited or invited people come to our
    country, - want us to accept all their differences, want halal food, show disrespect
    to our leaders & laws, do not want to integrate into our life styles, & top of that -
    some radicals may want to kill our people at random.
    If we weren't tolerant, we would give them ALL a one way ticket, wouldn't we ?
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    1:53pm
    The meeting went well last night.
    The crowd was engaged and calm except for a moment of slight tension when an audience member asked the sheik about the penalty under sharia law for a Muslim leaving the Islamic faith.
    Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/10/11/06/17/radical-calls-for-global-caliphate-under-islamic-law-at-meeting-in-sydney#rw4GdUO0goBcR0HY.99
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    1:55pm
    No Virgins ?
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    3:41pm
    Just what the Word needs ! A Global Caliphate !! With a Big Round Head like a Beach Ball and One Eye !!.. Yep !
    Adrianus
    11th Oct 2014
    4:08pm
    That should please Bob Brown. He didn't seem to care who was in charge as long as they were in charge of everything and all people.
    Anonymous
    11th Oct 2014
    9:29pm
    If we have to abide by a countries culture when we visit does it mean we have to eat gigantic meals and get fat when we go to the US.
    particolor
    11th Oct 2014
    9:39pm
    You want fry's with that ?
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    10:12am
    Well I have read through the law reform bills and do not have a problem with anything.
    STAGE 1: THE NATIONAL SECURITY LEGISLATION AMENDMENT BILL (NO. 1) 2014
    The first bill was introduced to parliament in July and was passed on October 1.
    This bill allows our spy agencies to spy on Australians overseas.
    STAGE 2: COUNTER-TERRORISM LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (FOREIGN FIGHTERS) BILL
    The second stage of the Government's plan was introduced to the Senate on September 24 and referred for review by the Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security.
    This bill will allow welfare payments to be cut off for people assessed as a serious threat whose passports have been cancelled.
    STAGE 3: DATA RETENTION LEGISLATION
    This is under development by the Attorney-General and due to be before Parliament by the end of the year.
    I would say to those people who do have a problem with any of the bills, check on the priority of your loyalties? How would you rate on a patriotism test?
    Anonymous
    12th Oct 2014
    10:30am
    My personal opinion is that face coverings should be banned, but why ban any other garment a female wears? At least she is covered up.
    Anonymous
    12th Oct 2014
    10:31am
    My personal opinion is that face coverings should be banned, but why ban any other garment a female wears? At least she is covered up.
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    10:59am
    Micha, I agree with your view that face covering should be banned not only in parliament, but every public area. People should be able to wear what they like in their own home. If we (the majority of Australians) have a law which allows us to take legal action based on religious grounds, against those who OFFEND us then it will perhaps come to that.
    miss aisle
    12th Oct 2014
    12:49pm
    Thank you for the information.

    Great that overseas Aussies can be monitored.
    To be honest, thought it was legal before the amendment.

    Also good that doubtful characters don't get paid by the govt.
    Another thing we can thank Tony for!

    The Data Retention should get through soon.
    Three important areas well taken care of. - Glad Coalition is in power!
    This is just EXCELLENT !
    geomac
    12th Oct 2014
    1:59pm
    Data retention is being done now just ask Telstra.
    The RSPCA, councils and other law-enforcement agencies can obtain reporter Ben Grubb's internet and phone metadata but Telstra won't release it to him. Here he details his 15-month fight for access.

    http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/spies-can-access-my-metadata-so-why-cant-i-my-15month-legal-battle-with-telstra-20141010-1146qo.html
    geomac
    12th Oct 2014
    2:04pm
    Finally someone pointing out the nonsense and damage but why after the act has passed.
    Mr Albanese said that laws that threatened to restrict legitimate work by journalists to expose errors made by security agencies, in particular, went too far.
    "You can be fully supportive of our engagement in the Middle East and still say we don't protect freedom by giving it up," Mr Albanese said.
    "I don't believe there's been enough scrutiny."
    "I believe that the media laws, much of them are draconian," he said.


    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/anthony-albanese-breaks-ranks-on-labors-support-for-terror-laws-20141012-114wce.html#ixzz3Ftc8S9mC
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    2:14pm
    WOW!!! It's on. I do believe Albo is making his run. He doesn't believe a word of what he has said otherwise he would have already said it. Just shows he is short on leadership type stuff to talk about.
    geomac
    12th Oct 2014
    2:40pm
    Frank
    Albo is expressing what any rational politician should have been saying. you jump to a conclusion while ignoring the absurdity of ten years for a journo doing the they are paid to do. A free press is a pillar of democracy or is that overboard too ?
    Anonymous
    12th Oct 2014
    2:41pm
    Albanese is part of the Labor Mafia sleazy leasy sponsored Obeid .,His wife too was in it ,,,
    I don't think the next Labor MP is in the Parliment yet..,
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    2:54pm
    Geo, what are you on about? It is an unforgivable blunder to give up our undercover agents who risk their lives in pursuit of freedom and security for people like you and me.
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    3:02pm
    Pete, Albo was the only one to put up his hand. And he got something like 61% of the Union members vote. The Muslim Community forced Paul Howes to reconsider his political aspirations shortly after being touted as the next Bob Hawke.
    Pete, I'm not saying he stands a snowballs chance but if they don't have someone in mind now then they are admitting Abbott has too big a lead.
    Anonymous
    12th Oct 2014
    3:30pm
    Gillard Rudd Hawke Whitlam were not in Parliament at the time of the previous Labor Govt .
    They need another Hawke to bring back his policies .
    They have time as the next election will be won by the coalition with a reduced majority .
    I would like to see another Menzies and build a new party of the right .
    Anonymous
    12th Oct 2014
    3:34pm
    Some of labors policies seem self destructive they still have the Socialist dream of the means of Production diribution etc in Govt hands in their manifesto they have the rule of you have to be a Union member to be a party member . They want to bring back the highest co2 tax in the world and still want to print money..
    geomac
    12th Oct 2014
    4:03pm
    Frank
    I think you investigate this more fully. A journo who reports a bungle by ASIO and has not been informed it is an op designated by Brandis can get ten years. So if ASIO raids the wrong address and assaults the occupants the victims and the media cannot report the bungle to us. ASIO has a history of bungles and mishaps.
    Just how do they risk their lives Frank ? Compared to firefighters, SES and state police they have it quite safe. I have never heard of an ASIO officer dying on duty nor ever likely to. Even the AFP have it safer than the various groups I mentioned.
    With 800 odd raiding several premises for one charge I would think the only injury would be knocking each other over because overcrowding.
    geomac
    12th Oct 2014
    4:08pm
    Frank
    Nationally Labor has a 52 to 48 two party pref lead. Do you mean preferred PM ? Either way election quite some time off, late 2016.
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    6:39pm
    geo, They always had that lead before the last election.
    geomac
    12th Oct 2014
    7:17pm
    Frank
    Before the last election the coalition was well in front and by more than 52/48 from memory. Now its Labor in front but as I said a long way out from an election.
    particolor
    12th Oct 2014
    7:28pm
    Two and one Half Australians Are Living In Poverty !!
    And they (government) want to play around with Funny Clothes ??
    And don't tell Me they should move out of Poverty to another Suburb !!
    particolor
    12th Oct 2014
    7:30pm
    PS..Put Million in there will Ya !!
    Adrianus
    12th Oct 2014
    9:51pm
    parti, the government needs to be able to do more than one thing at a time.
    particolor
    12th Oct 2014
    10:09pm
    Yeah ! They are Bunch of Old Women they Should be Multi Tasking ! With all those Thousands of Staff in Flash Offices all over the Country ?? And You wonder where all the Money is going ??
    Adrianus
    13th Oct 2014
    8:49am
    parti, in my opinion they are wasting our money. I could be wrong though?
    Under the FOI act this information is freely available.
    2012 Failed border protection caused a budget blowout of $6.6b
    2012 Labor’s NBN estimate is now $44.1b. Realistic estimates show $90b
    2012 Government spent $69.5m advertising the Carbon Tax.
    2012 Another $1.03m researching the effectiveness of those ads.
    2012 Another $1m to spin team to sell Carbon Tax harder.
    2011 Following an ABC story and agitation by Get Up campaign The Government stopped live cattle exports resulting in a $100m assistance package.
    2012 Sky News. Compensation for incompetent tender processing. $2m
    2009 The setting up of the Carbon Capture and Storage Institute was to cost $300m.
    2012 Polls to test public reaction to government policies. $30m.
    2012 Army of spinners. 1600 media staff at a cost of $150m per year.
    2010 Sacking of PM’s staff. Payouts $1.3m
    2010 After waking up to a new PM Election $5.5m
    2012 Clean Energy Regulator (Carbon Cop) new office make over $4.4m. Also $25.2m pa rent for office.
    2012 Carbon Cop’s new office white goods, 23 bar fridges, 14 dishwashers, 26 microwaves, 2 ovens, 2 cooktops, 2 wall mounted rangehoods and a 40 bottle wine cabinet.
    2008 $1.2m for 12 months of PM’s travel.
    2010/12 Donation to Unions $20m.
    2012 NBN ad campaign $20m.
    2011 Set Top Box Program $67m.
    2011 $1m on Rob Oakshott’s tax forum talk fest.
    2012 Carbon tax added to electricity bill for the Lodge $660.
    2012 HSU investigation by Fair Work Australia and Craig Thompson issue $1.8m.
    2011 Failed “Malaysia Solution” $4.6m.
    2010 PM’s Staff increase by 30% adds another $1m pa to Wages costs.
    2011 The Environment Department signs a $500,000 pa contract for indoor plants.
    2011 The Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations purchased $1m worth of pot plants.
    There is a whole lot more information on what our tax dollars have been spent on but this is not the forum.
    particolor
    13th Oct 2014
    12:21pm
    Right !! Well I think those Pot Plants better undergo Close Scrutiny !!.By the Army of New Security Cops..
    And where's My Set Top Box ??
    Adrianus
    13th Oct 2014
    12:26pm
    Gerry was complaining that his were only $50 but it cost $350 for a government installed one.
    particolor
    13th Oct 2014
    12:52pm
    I just got a New One Worth $490 with 1T of HDD built in, which replaced the one I had that Carked it 1 Month before the warranty Expired ! No extra Cost ! Who's a Lucky Boy ?... I still use them as I have a good supply of Older Telly's there's nothing wrong with them !! Waste not Want Not !!
    Adrianus
    13th Oct 2014
    1:10pm
    Good to see you have a win. You've been doing it tough young fella. :)
    particolor
    13th Oct 2014
    1:18pm
    Its been Fairly Peaceful here for a couple of weeks now ?? The Infidels got the Bums Rush !! But as I've always said here. ..Its not what You've got, But what Your Gunna Get ??
    Anonymous
    13th Oct 2014
    2:14pm
    Didn't see insulating other taxpayers homes in their Frank ...or paying for their Solar ...
    School halls rort ?
    Adrianus
    13th Oct 2014
    6:10pm
    Pete, I reckon that list is about close to 15% complete. But is does tell a story and when this current government's figures get published I will go looking for those.
    wheels
    13th Oct 2014
    10:45am
    This 'debate ' is being hijacked in all different directions. Racism and freedom are two thrown up. Australians have always accepted people for who they are as a person. Their religion wasn't an issue. They warmed to who YOU were. I think Australians want people to assimilate. Religion is a persons quiet choice. Not said or confronted. Wasn't the old saying "don't talk about sex, politics or religion'.? If we ...as Australians want division then ALL religions and other choices could be boldly worn. Lets keep our private and personal choices to ourselves and not divide this great country. Other religions too. Do we want a country of different 'tribes' that was warned about a few years ago?
    particolor
    13th Oct 2014
    12:38pm
    I've never know a Debate to run Straight !!.There's always Someone want to talk about the Weather !! Its just starting to Rain here !
    Adrianus
    13th Oct 2014
    12:45pm
    rusty1, of course you are correct, this has nothing to do with racism or religion for that matter. It is a basic security requirement that should start being observed now, so that it doesn't spill over to a race or religious issue. Which it will if this war comes to Australia and it is looking more probable as time goes by unfortunately.
    Anonymous
    13th Oct 2014
    2:15pm
    Frank if any owner of a premise has a perceived security risk they can ban entry ..,
    Adrianus
    13th Oct 2014
    6:17pm
    Pete, I have no confidence that the anti discrimination law will not override the premise owners rights. Do you?
    miss aisle
    13th Oct 2014
    7:02pm
    Pretty sure you're right Frank !
    Can just see & hear the outrage ..... "& I'll take this further!"
    Adrianus
    14th Oct 2014
    8:00am
    Yes, it would send Waleed Aly into a frenzy.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    4:41pm
    Frank I am a libertarian and fell we need no more security laws than we have . As long as our agents are adequately protected from disclosure of their identity .
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    4:44pm
    I think we should look at what we can repeal like 18c....
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    5:25pm
    64.4 Degrees F !!
    Adrianus
    16th Oct 2014
    7:42pm
    Pete, these are uncertain times. There are those who believe we are sleeping with the enemy. It is a very cunning enemy. One which becomes more invasive into our daily lives, while demanding more and more of us. An enemy which is difficult to recognise, as we have found in the last week. They can look like those we are trying to protect in no time at all.
    Retired Army Chief Leahy has recommended we prepare for a 100 year holy war both overseas and domestically. He has mapped out a strategic plan which makes a lot of sense.
    We need to protect those who protect the citizens. We need to make their job as easy as possible. You don't hire and train highly capable, highly skilled people to perform a task and then put speed bumps in their run to the line.
    I don't know what that makes me? But I do know that I have often been called upon to do a job because I believe in doing what ever it takes to get that job done.
    jamesmn
    13th Oct 2014
    11:20am
    the burga ban should go further than in parliament it should be everywhere any terrorist can hide behind a burga everyone should know who is under a burga if they don't like it either stop at home or go back to where you come from its not a excuse asking someone to show their face in that time they could have detonated a bomb who knows who is under a burga if they choose to live in Australia you abide by our rules or go home you can't go into places with a motor cycle helmet on the same should apply for a burga.
    particolor
    13th Oct 2014
    12:43pm
    "OO Dat ?"..
    "OO Dat say OO Dat ?".
    "OO Dat say OO Dat from uder Dare ??"
    particolor
    13th Oct 2014
    12:55pm
    Stupid Keyboard !!.. from Under dare ??"
    Anonymous
    13th Oct 2014
    12:57pm
    Yep obesity is becoming an increasing worry in Oz and a 'burga ban' might just work...worth a watch tonight's episode of 'Four Corners' addressing this particular issue 'Fat Chance' by Geoff Thomson.....
    particolor
    13th Oct 2014
    1:03pm
    And I suppose You want Fry's with that Too ??..
    Yep I'll watch Fork Horners Tonight !
    Supernan
    13th Oct 2014
    2:05pm
    Had a laugh about speedos making the journalist feel uncomfortable. When I was teen its what all guys wore ! Except the oldies - who wore waist to knee knitted bathers with a privacy skirt in front - which we thought hilarious ! ) My hubby hates the board shorts which hold heaps of water, drip everywhere & cling !
    What makes me uncomfortable is teen girls with skirts to the groin !
    I dont mind the Muslim dress except the ones face covering the face. Its not required by the Koran, its just a custom in some countries & decreed by religious leaders. Just as some Christians insist their women cover their hair & prefer them not to cut it - due to their interpretation of verse in the bible.
    If covering the face was banned for security reasons & for all people (including motor bike riders, I dont think I would object, even though I believe in religious freedom.
    Adrianus
    13th Oct 2014
    4:01pm
    Supernan, it seems to me that the Islamic faith is disjointed and has many different views. Some Islamic sects do not insist on women covering up and yet others are dogmatic in their insistence.
    I still find it very strange, that during this debate I am yet to see a women arguing for Burqa wearing who is actually wearing a Burqa!
    There have been many women who say they think women should be allowed to wear a Burqa but they don't wear one themselves?
    Anonymous
    13th Oct 2014
    4:46pm
    Yeah well Frank, Think it would be arrogant and presumptuous in the extreme for one of the 'burqa-less' such as myself to actually attempt to speak for any burqa wearing woman, so can only take a humble guess as to why a burqa wearing woman may choose not to offer an opinion on this thread....

    Perhaps it's got something to do with the name of the thread - 'Parliamentary Burqa Ban' - and given that no one wearing a burqa has ever actually been sighted at Parliament House, or a person wearing a burqa been charged with a terrorist related crime in this country, or the fact that the necessary, appropriate and effective processes and protocols are already in place in such locations and have been for a while - it might be, and I stress it's only my guess - that they think the whole palava is a bit of a 'Beat Up', 'A Storm in a teacup', or 'A Molehill being made into a Mountain'.....and like many others who live in rural and regional Australia, and who have yet to sight anyone wearing one, wouldn't blame them for thinking this way....

    But I said all this about 736 comments back so I'll stop now and I won't bore others to death by going on about it.....
    Adrianus
    13th Oct 2014
    5:52pm
    shetso1, unlike my remark, your world may be limited to this forum. Please try to understand that this is a national debate.
    You have obviously taken offence to an observation of mine. Care to let me know why?
    Don't you think it strange that those who actually wear the Burqa have not come forward in it's defence? As an example have you seen a TV interview ?
    Why do you think you are arrogant and presumptuous in the extreme? Don't you feel you have the right to offer an opinion?
    miss aisle
    13th Oct 2014
    6:56pm
    shetso1 - I don't think it " would be arrogent & presumptious in the extreme.."
    for you to simply offer an opinion. You seem to have a "victim" attitude.
    I realize the women told by their husbands to wear them, wouldn't want to disclose
    their feelings, but there are others who choose to wear them. They're the ones
    that could share some pro-burqa sentiments, - (all the more because of the Parliamentary burqa ban heading).
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    8:17pm
    Mightn't speak English ??.. Or talk to Infidels ??
    buby
    17th Oct 2014
    5:31pm
    I BELIEVE in religious freedoms too BUT did anybody realise that they were being taxed. Halal is an imposed tax by Muslims onto non-Muslims. i'm sure they will take us over slowly.
    Takes notes please Halal is costing us $700billion per year.
    Not one cent goes to the tax man or government in any way because the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils(AFIC) who the Halal Certification are fun Via Mosques therefore a tax free religious organisation.
    There are some 17 Halal certification stamps. Its big business
    Almost all food groups are meeting the Halal requirements of our Muslim neighbours.
    Why then do we need to pay a tax that is an arm of Sharia Law!
    but don't believe me i urge you to go look - type into google the following
    Where does the money go for halal certification - >islammonitor.org
    There is so much more going on besides the Burka thingy..??
    Sorry i deviated.....:)
    Adrianus
    17th Oct 2014
    5:53pm
    Good to see you're out of that coma buby. :)
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    5:54pm
    You didn't deviate Whatsoever !! And I think most of us know that already ! But the amount of TAX CHEATING is Staggering ?? :( AHHH!! Cant say anymore at the Moment ! Except AAH! Forget it !!
    Adrianus
    17th Oct 2014
    6:44pm
    Sorry buby, just my wicked humour. Yes, we are concerned about rising cost of living and we accept a religious tax?
    As far as I can understand Islam teaches it's followers that they put 2.5% into the box when they go to prey but infedels are taxed at 20%. I don't know how much halal tax is on vegemite for example but of the 22million jars and tubes which are made in Australia, I would guess more of us infedels would be consumers.
    This is one reason that the burqa debate is relevant, because many people would be horrified to learn what other activities the lefties have exposed us to.
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    7:07pm
    I'm not Offended, I'm Disgusted that our Gutless Government and Company's lay Down to this EXTORTION !! Its the Bloody Mafia in Disguise !!! Print the Whole list Frank and I wont go near the garbage !! And if One of them Spits on the Footpath in front of Me again I will do nothing because they are a Protected Species !!..
    Adrianus
    17th Oct 2014
    7:24pm
    Vegemite got Halaled during 2010.
    Don't be Offended get even. I heard many NAB and Bendigo Bank customers have closed their accounts because of the preferential treatment given to Islamic followers.
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    7:49pm
    OK Here We Go !!

    For those Folks that want to call Me a BIGOT or some other Stupid Name !!
    Read this lot !!
    Google ..Halal Food Rip Off..go to.. Q Society of Australia Inc..
    And after that ..News-Proof of Halal Scam! The Pickering post .. Happy reading Infadels !! ..
    Dobbie
    16th Oct 2014
    7:55pm
    Sorry, but I'm now in fear of people who go about absolutely covered. My problem with any covering from head to foot is : who knows what or who is under it? WE LIVE IN TREACHEROUS TIMES. If you refuse to be seen, then don't go there... go where you can dress as you wish.
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    8:02pm
    We are having a Fancy Dress Party tonight !! All Welcome !! Or come as You are !!
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    8:10pm
    No! Hang On !! Party Cancelled !! The Missus said "Bugger that, We don't know Who were letting in ??..."
    Adrianus
    16th Oct 2014
    8:19pm
    Dobbie your reaction is natural. Stay clear of people who will not be open to you.
    Dobbie
    16th Oct 2014
    8:22pm
    It is matter of common sense, and unfortunately, some fear now, Frank.
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    8:40pm
    Do You mean Civilization as We Knew It is Stuffed ??
    Adrianus
    16th Oct 2014
    10:17pm
    Dobbie, I am sorry to say.
    Trouble is during the past 7years we lost control of our borders and about 200,000 illegals came in that we know of. We have had terrorist bombings in Australia before but they were mostly aimed at the Turks. Everyone needs to be alert and mindful now. I'm starting to sound paranoid.
    Dobbie
    16th Oct 2014
    10:48pm
    I agree, we do need to be alert and mindful, even cautious.
    Katie
    17th Oct 2014
    12:11am
    I agree with Niemakawa. The burqa should not be allowed to be worn in any public places including Parliament House.
    Katie
    17th Oct 2014
    12:29am
    jamesnolan is correct also. It's important to be able to see our fellow humans' faces.
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    9:19am
    On Travel Documentaries !
    rob101
    17th Oct 2014
    10:55am
    The Burqua,Niquab or any other covering of women is a visible representation of Sexual & Domestic Violence.
    When men wear a Head or body covering similar to Women then there will be equality!
    Any Religion that Controls,Demeans or Diminishes Woman,by definition is a bad Relgion.
    Robert 101
    rob101
    17th Oct 2014
    10:55am
    The Burqua,Niquab or any other covering of women is a visible representation of Sexual & Domestic Violence.
    When men wear a Head or body covering similar to Women then there will be equality!
    Any Religion that Controls,Demeans or Diminishes Woman,by definition is a bad Relgion.
    Robert 101
    rob101
    17th Oct 2014
    10:56am
    The Burqua,Niquab or any other covering of women is a visible representation of Sexual & Domestic Violence.
    When men wear a Head or body covering similar to Women then there will be equality!
    Any Religion that Controls,Demeans or Diminishes Woman,by definition is a bad Relgion.
    Robert 101
    rob101
    17th Oct 2014
    11:02am
    Any Covering worn by a Woman,be it a Burqua,Niquab or similar is an outward expression of Domestic and Sexual Violence against Women.
    If it is for Religious reasons,why are men noit covered?
    Any Relgion that Controls Demeans or Diminishes Women in any way is by deination a bad Religion.There are Suburbs in London where women wearing Western dress are asked to cover up or leave,as they are in a "Muslim"area.Just watch, we will be next.
    robert101
    rob101
    17th Oct 2014
    11:03am
    Any Covering worn by a Woman,be it a Burqua,Niquab or similar is an outward expression of Domestic and Sexual Violence against Women.
    If it is for Religious reasons,why are men noit covered?
    Any Relgion that Controls Demeans or Diminishes Women in any way is by deination a bad Religion.There are Suburbs in London where women wearing Western dress are asked to cover up or leave,as they are in a "Muslim"area.Just watch, we will be next.
    robert101
    rob101
    17th Oct 2014
    11:04am
    Any Covering worn by a Woman,be it a Burqua,Niquab or similar is an outward expression of Domestic and Sexual Violence against Women.
    If it is for Religious reasons,why are men noit covered?
    Any Relgion that Controls Demeans or Diminishes Women in any way is by deination a bad Religion.There are Suburbs in London where women wearing Western dress are asked to cover up or leave,as they are in a "Muslim"area.Just watch, we will be next.
    robert101
    rob101
    17th Oct 2014
    11:04am
    Any Covering worn by a Woman,be it a Burqua,Niquab or similar is an outward expression of Domestic and Sexual Violence against Women.
    If it is for Religious reasons,why are men noit covered?
    Any Relgion that Controls Demeans or Diminishes Women in any way is by deination a bad Religion.There are Suburbs in London where women wearing Western dress are asked to cover up or leave,as they are in a "Muslim"area.Just watch, we will be next.
    robert101
    rob101
    17th Oct 2014
    11:04am
    Any Covering worn by a Woman,be it a Burqua,Niquab or similar is an outward expression of Domestic and Sexual Violence against Women.
    If it is for Religious reasons,why are men noit covered?
    Any Relgion that Controls Demeans or Diminishes Women in any way is by deination a bad Religion.There are Suburbs in London where women wearing Western dress are asked to cover up or leave,as they are in a "Muslim"area.Just watch, we will be next.
    robert101
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    11:47am
    I have heeded Your 5 Warnings and I am wearing these dark glasses now to hide My two Black Eyes !! I wont be going into that Area again !!
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    7:58pm
    Don't even Laugh !! It wont be very long at all now and You will ALL be down on a Prayer Mat 8 Times a day, after what I just read !!
    particolor
    19th Oct 2014
    1:59pm
    Couldn't leave this on 911 Comments !! Have 912 !!.. Taa Taa !!


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