14th Oct 2014
Abbott to shirtfront Putin at G20

Russian President Vladimir Putin will be attending the G20 summit in Brisbane next month and Prime Minister Tony Abbott told reporters on Monday that, “I am going to shirtfront Mr Putin – you bet I am – I am going to be saying to Mr Putin Australians were murdered, they were murdered by Russian backed rebels.” Mr Abbott’s comment is in regard to the shooting down of MH17, and is indicative of the growing tension between Australia and Russia.

Mr Abbott said he accepted Russia had not wanted the tragedy to occur, but that “we are very unhappy about this” and that “we now demand that you [Russia] fully co-operate with the criminal investigation”.

“There'll be a lot of tough conversations with Russia and I suspect the conversation I have with Mr Putin will be the toughest conversation of all,” said Mr Abbott.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten was of the view that Mr Putin shouldn’t make the trip to Brisbane at all and that his attendance was “rubbing our faces” in the aftermath of MH17.

Read more from SMH.

Read more from The Guardian.

Opinion: politicians united against Russia

In a rare showing of unity between the two major parties, both Mr Abbott and Mr Shorten have continued to speak out against the actions of Russia, surrounding its alleged involvement in the MH17 disaster, and the actions of the country post-disaster.

The scene is set for the G20 next month in Brisbane, and while I can’t picture Tony Abbott “shirtfronting” Mr Putin (an Australian rules football term for shoulder charging), I have no doubt that he will be loose-lipped in his talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin. It’s refreshing to see our politicians finally speaking out on the world stage, and condemning such actions, when in the past, we would have kept quiet to keep the peace.

Do you think Tony Abbott’s stance towards Russia and Mr Putin on this issue is in the best interest of the country? 





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    Jen
    14th Oct 2014
    10:19am
    You could say diplomacy isn't his strong point.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    10:46am
    Well I think He is very Dopelomatic !!
    buby
    14th Oct 2014
    12:30pm
    perhaps its not his strong point, but i think he will be diplomatic. using strong words which he needs too. Cause this EX KGB man needs to be told, he may not take it on board, cause russians just are that way. Many just think they know it all! and can be rude, often tho through miscommunication.
    Coachman on the box
    14th Oct 2014
    12:38pm
    With his 'You bet you are' comment (clearly talking to himself) on his remark yesterday about shirt-fronting the leader of another nation, and the absent-minded way he said it with his eyes full of the hundred yard stare - he's clearly repeating the voices he's hearing in his head. He's insane.

    The only way to stop this is to ask the Queen's representative in this country to use his powers to dismiss the government and order a fresh general election. This government is unaustralian, a disgrace and an international mockery. Enough is enough, people. We have to act now before it's too late.

    https://www.communityrun.org/petitions/stop-this-government-s-madness
    Dotty
    14th Oct 2014
    1:02pm
    I agree completely, That our PM has no tact at all and spokes off his mouth when he should keep it shut ,
    Dotty
    Sceptic
    14th Oct 2014
    1:13pm
    Not diplomatic? I guess that you one-eyed lot haven't noticed the improved relations with Indonesia, Japan, India and China after the damage that Labor did to our relationships with these countries
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    2:01pm
    Yes we did !! They all like the place that much now they are Buying it !! ..Great Salesman !!
    Luchar
    14th Oct 2014
    9:04pm
    Can't help wondering what Jen, particolor, Coachman and Dotty would say to Putin were they the leader of Australia and speaking on behalf of the families who lost innocent loved ones murdered by a Russian supplied missile.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    9:24pm
    Menzies sold Iron to Japan if You want to go there !! And they gave it back with You know what on Darwin, Etc. !! .. I can think of Many other Irresponsible Acts that I don't Condone either !! Who tells You what You can and cannot do with a Jar of Vaseline when You get it ??
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    11:09am
    What else would you expect from an oaf like our PM? This is why Tony Abbott is the worst PM I can remember...although Billy McMahon might be a close second. At least Billy had a moral code and some self control as well as knowing how to behave in the company of foreign dignitaries. Abbott has no idea. That is what oafs are like.
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    11:09am
    What else would you expect from an oaf like our PM? This is why Tony Abbott is the worst PM I can remember...although Billy McMahon might be a close second. At least Billy had a moral code and some self control as well as knowing how to behave in the company of foreign dignitaries. Abbott has no idea. That is what oafs are like.
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    11:16am
    Alzheimers has cut in. Help?
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    2:07pm
    The Old Scientists were working on a cure for that Mick! But when they got back from Lunch they had Forgotten what they were working on ???
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    9:05pm
    I don't remember that either.
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    9:59pm
    Whitlam takes the prize as the worst PM ever , the first to be dismissed ...
    Second worse toss up between Gillard Rudd and Keating ...
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    10:00pm
    As for the best I would say Menzies Hawke and Howard in that order...
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    10:23pm
    Pete: my recollection is that Kerr and Fraser plotted to throw out a democratically elected government because the establishment did not approve. What is yours?
    Your idolisation od Menzies and Howard are interesting. Whilst I was not interested in politics when Menzies was in I do recall that he was a royalty stage door Johnny. As for Howard he was, like Tony Abbott, the representative of the big end of town. Next you'll say that Work Choices was a great policy. So why do you think that even Rupert Murdoch turned against the Howard government?
    You need to stop idolising those who do not deserve your loyalty and stop treating political parties like a football team. You may have the 'flavour' you prefer but just like a bad hamburger.....when it is time to change to KFC its time. Political parties only deserve our attention whilst they behave themselves and do a public good. This one is not doing that and the media demonization of the previous government should be seen in the light of what the big end of town wants (money) and what it is prepared to do to get it. Its not footie Pete!!
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    10:23pm
    Pete: my recollection is that Kerr and Fraser plotted to throw out a democratically elected government because the establishment did not approve. What is yours?
    Your idolisation od Menzies and Howard are interesting. Whilst I was not interested in politics when Menzies was in I do recall that he was a royalty stage door Johnny. As for Howard he was, like Tony Abbott, the representative of the big end of town. Next you'll say that Work Choices was a great policy. So why do you think that even Rupert Murdoch turned against the Howard government?
    You need to stop idolising those who do not deserve your loyalty and stop treating political parties like a football team. You may have the 'flavour' you prefer but just like a bad hamburger.....when it is time to change to KFC its time. Political parties only deserve our attention whilst they behave themselves and do a public good. This one is not doing that and the media demonization of the previous government should be seen in the light of what the big end of town wants (money) and what it is prepared to do to get it. Its not footie Pete!!
    justme
    14th Oct 2014
    10:29am
    It is obviously a metaphor; whether used wisely is another matter!
    metaphor
    [met-uh-fawr, -fer]

    Examples
    Word Origin

    noun
    1.
    a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in “A mighty fortress is our God.”.
    Compare mixed metaphor, simile (def 1).
    2.
    something used, or regarded as being used, to represent something else; emblem; symbol.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    10:41am
    Metaphor.... [I- die-ot]
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    10:43pm
    Eh gad....and English teacher in drag!
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    10:43pm
    Eh gad....and English teacher in drag!
    particolor
    28th Oct 2014
    9:51am
    " NAAARSE Shirt Vlad Bro "
    Cricky
    14th Oct 2014
    10:30am
    Tony Abbott is a simpleton who appeals to the simpleton voters in Australia, of which there are far too many, and usually right leaning. How could anyone think that Russia has been more cavalier with the use of arms and killing of innocents that the coalition of the willing, of which Tony and his like are major contributors. Yes, we lost people on a plane flying over a war zone (what the f...?) shot down by people with too much armament and feeling like potting off an attacking jet (oops, not a fighter jet). But what about Iraq - 800,000+ innocent people died there and are still dying at much more than 34 per day. And that illegal invasion has caused the whole mess in the Middle East, including the creation of ISIS which is now armed with the USA weapons left behind. Bring Putin on board, embrace him, get him to work with us, not ostracise him. He loves the ostracism from the West, it makes him more powerful internally. Give him no reason and the Russians no reason to fear us.
    Rob
    14th Oct 2014
    10:49am
    He is not a simpleton far from it but the sad thing about politicians is that they act they way they think the majority of Australians want or expect them to act. Politics is about the lowest common denominator unfortunately.

    I find it interesting that people are only too willing to criticise America or Australia post the event for war involvement but are only too willing to criticise the same countries if they don't get involved.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    11:39am
    Nobody Criticises Switzerland ??.. Do they !
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    12:25pm
    Abba did.
    Adrianus
    14th Oct 2014
    12:59pm
    Cricky, He is no simpleton that's for sure. It is the act of a decent and courageous person who will disapprove of the murder of innocent people.
    PlanB
    14th Oct 2014
    2:44pm
    Hear hear to your comment Crickety
    Hasbeen
    14th Oct 2014
    5:03pm
    It is exactly what Putin needs, & by the look of Europe & the US, about the only place he's going to get It.

    The milksop gently gently approach from what has to pass for leaders in Europe, & the idiot golf player the yanks somehow managed to saddle themselves with are never going to say boo.

    This has encouraged Putin to become increasingly adventurous. He has his hand on the valve to cut of the gas supply, Europe has become completely dependent on, with their stupid romance with wind & solar power.

    By pandering to their green ratbag fringe they have laid themselves at the mercy of Putin, & are now finding that is a commodity in very short supply, almost as short as their energy supply has become without Russian gas. & the nuclear some were stupid enough to turn off.

    You lot should thank god someone is prepared to stand up to the man.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    5:19pm
    Your Right ! Base Load Blav they call him !! Vee Haf a Vay of NOT Gassing You !!
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    5:21pm
    "MR PUTIN !! In My Office, NOW !!!"
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    10:39am
    I wonder if He knows that Putin is a POLAR BEAR in Disguise ??
    Rob
    14th Oct 2014
    10:42am
    It must be hell shaving his torso everyday
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    10:48am
    TOUGH !! He uses a Sunbeam Electric Lawn Mower !!
    nas43n
    14th Oct 2014
    10:58am
    Stop this childish silly description of a foreign head of state.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    11:20am
    Its not Meant that way for a start !! And only refers to the Gentleman being tough !!
    We have some Foreign Heads of State living here, and I see many childish remarks about them ??
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    12:26pm
    Which he holds in his teeth.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    12:55pm
    Like a Pirate of the Caribbean !!
    Kali-G
    14th Oct 2014
    10:47am
    Frankly I am embarrassed by Abbots posturing on the world stage.
    he is almost as idiotic as Rudd was....
    I can just see Vladimir Putin having fits of laughter......and asking his aide: who is this dimwit Abbott????
    The last time Abbot and Julie Bishop criticized Putin, he retaliated by cutting off all australian pork imports, worth many millions of dollars to Aussie farmers!!!!!
    All he did is to hurt Australian Farmers!!! and he want to make Australia "open to business"??????
    Now Argentina and Brasil et al picked up those contracts......
    Well done Abbott !!!!!!
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    10:54am
    Brazil said Thank You !! Keep up the Good Work and Yell out when You want some Wood Chips !!
    alinejordan
    14th Oct 2014
    12:29pm
    lucky porcines, maybe now they can have some more space in which to grow fat!
    buby
    14th Oct 2014
    12:35pm
    trust me Putin is about on a par with abbott, so keeping it simple is the best thing to do. some words will be lost on translation tho i'm sure of it lol
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    12:37pm
    But only half the Nation likes Pigs now ?? What will we do with them all ??
    buby
    14th Oct 2014
    12:41pm
    and unfortunately the meet exports, sure aussies may lose, but not as much as the russians will suffer. So its just a tit for tat thing with PUtin really not thinking about it. He's just a puppet, with the brains working in the background, if you could call them that. they probably are so backward, still trying to keep ppl under the thumb and under control. they have their hands full really just trying to keep their population under control. and I don't think they are doing too well considering the homelessness or hunger that many ppl have to cope with over there!
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    12:45pm
    They should send them all here! We have gained a lot of experience lately with Homeless People !...
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    12:46pm
    And Mountains of Free Range Pigs for them to Chow Down on !!
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    4:02pm
    I feel a musical coming on here. Just need some names thrown around.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    5:11pm
    The Hills are Alive, with Ruskys trying to Survive .
    nas43n
    14th Oct 2014
    10:55am
    Australia acts like a barking dog on behalf of the USA. Why should we make the world our enemy? We started with China in the pretext of human rights and ending up with Russia under the pretext of its Ukrainian supporters shooting down MH17. So far no evidence for this. No evidence that Russia has any involvement in this terrorist act. It might be that the Ukrainian forces shooing the airliner to cause trouble for Russia.
    As for Putin, his fault is that he does not support the war the USA and its allies including Australia waging on the people of the Middle East. Hundreds of people in the region is being killed and forced to be refugees for the aim of the USA which is controlled by the Jewish lobby to safeguard and make secure the State of Israel despite the Israeli barbaric and continued occupation of Palestinian land. This occupation is the longest and most fascist and brutal in human history. Zionist fascist trends is to attack any country or any significant person who oppose its domination. Australia, is one of those country who is made to be slave to the Zionist agenda.
    Australia must and should pursue an independent foreign policy that is built on real peace, non-interference and non aligned.
    Jen
    14th Oct 2014
    11:12am
    Ah, but he's nice to the Sri Lankan murderers.
    Emps
    14th Oct 2014
    11:17am
    Quote: Israeli barbaric and continued occupation of Palestinian land. This occupation is the longest and most fascist and brutal in human history. End Quote.

    During 1967, Egypt..Jordan, and Syria attacked Israel.

    Within six days, Israel had won a decisive land war. Israeli forces had taken control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem, from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.

    Israel fought for survival, now Palestinians are crying foul, initiating rocket attacks and blaming the Jews for defending themselves.
    nas43n
    14th Oct 2014
    11:45am
    Emps: Your reading of history needs revisiting. Israel had already plans in place for that attack. They did it in 1956 but were repulsed. Israel is built on expansion and occupation. Its DNA is terror and ethnic cleansing. Its policies is to expel all Palestinians and steal their homes. Palestinians treated as no human at all. Its a real apartheid state, and therefore should be boycotted and isolated. Between the lines you say that if you have enough military force its OK to invade other peoples' land and keep it. How is this different to Nazi practice in the 1940s?
    buby
    14th Oct 2014
    12:48pm
    You only mention Nazi's nas, muslims practise ethnic cleansing too, look at yugoslavia, they lived just fine until the country tried to stick up for themselves they let the muslims come in to live then they bred like mice, then were taken over and broken up. NO more yugoslavia. There are quiet a few countries that practise ethnic cleansing i suggest you do some more research?
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    12:53pm
    Yes !! Look at Africa ? Step over someone's Border there and You will get To To'd or something ??
    Ginty 01
    14th Oct 2014
    1:04pm
    There is an interesting article in the current New Dawn magazine (at most newsagents) Sept-Oct re MH17 and it looks like the Ukrainian government forces are to blame.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    1:28pm
    I don't think it really matters now WHO Fired it ! ( My Sympathies) they are both Nut Cases !! Fighting over who knows what ?. But You Don't Fly a Passenger Plane over A WAR !!
    ghoti
    14th Oct 2014
    1:52pm
    Spot on, nas43n. There's no proof that Putin was responsible for the shooting down of the airliner over Ukraine. In fact there's evidence suggesting that it might have been the Ukraine givernment side. I think it's likely that it was a tragic accident, whoever was responsible. The crisis in Ukraine was almost certainly fomented by USA/NATO in violation of an agreement with Gorbachev. Abbott - and Shorten - can't, however, wait to blame Putin, even though they have no evidence. As for Abbott saying he's going to "shirtfront" Putin, what a novel way to conduct international diplomacy! Yep, threatening violence is sure to work.
    Luchar
    14th Oct 2014
    8:55pm
    ghoti,

    Seems to me that not only do you spend too much time listening to the rantings of Jackie Lambie, you also take her seriously.
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    12:30pm
    The way the argument id flowing, I am surprised that our Lefties have failed to blame Abbott for shooting the airliner. Ghoti has pinned the blame on the U.S.of A. and seems to think Putin's ambitions in the Ukraine have had nothing to do with the airliner's being shot down. Try telling that to the families of the victims.
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    10:09pm
    wally: I understand you have a pro Abbott leaning but please try to be factual. Calling those who see this government for what it is "lefties" is a cheap shot. Its not that people love Labor. Rather its that people see the corrupt nature of the leaders of the current government. This is something you do not want to see.
    I do agree with you with the rest of your post and as for the airline shot down I am all but certain that Putin did not order this and that it was a rogue operator who gave the order. But then Putin would have been behind the separatists. I mean he has to protect his gas interests because all of Europe are buying the product. And yes the families of the victims are the ones left with the results whilst Putin struts the world stage promoting his business interests.
    Cricky
    14th Oct 2014
    11:08am
    I didn't mean that Abbott has no brains, but his policies are those of a simpleton with no view to the future beyond the short term.
    Rudd did a lot for Australia, and if left to continue, we would not be in this pickle we now find ourselves in, with the lies about budget crisis and the cuts to those who can least afford it.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    11:26am
    Yes ! He is just Good at leaving Himself Open to Ridicule !! Couldn't He have just said.. "Ill have a word with the lad !"..??
    Jen
    14th Oct 2014
    11:30am
    Amazing how quickly our reputation and our sense of belief in our Government has crashed. We might not have liked the Labor Govt. but we at least knew they were doing their best for Australians. They were open and honest in comparison to the secrets and lies of this Government. This dangerous fool should be locked up for crimes against Australia.
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    12:40pm
    Yes Cricky, If we still had Kevin calling the shots, we would owe even more $Billions to the Chinese and wind up like Greece. Who do you mean when you mention cuts to those who can least afford it? Are you talking about more boat people soaking up more taxpayers' money that could be spent on health and aged pensioners? Or do you mean the extension of the "Bribe a Bludger for Votes Scheme" that throws money at those families that have three generations of unemployed people who have never paid taxes (except for booze, smokes and maybe petrol) have never held down a job and never will. I think I prefer the pickle we are now in compared to the pickle we would be in if Rudd were still in office.
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    12:40pm
    Yes Cricky, If we still had Kevin calling the shots, we would owe even more $Billions to the Chinese and wind up like Greece. Who do you mean when you mention cuts to those who can least afford it? Are you talking about more boat people soaking up more taxpayers' money that could be spent on health and aged pensioners? Or do you mean the extension of the "Bribe a Bludger for Votes Scheme" that throws money at those families that have three generations of unemployed people who have never paid taxes (except for booze, smokes and maybe petrol) have never held down a job and never will. I think I prefer the pickle we are now in compared to the pickle we would be in if Rudd were still in office.
    Emps
    14th Oct 2014
    11:23am
    Shirtfronting. Never heard that word before. I have heard of shirtlifting. let the jokes begin.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    11:30am
    Careful there !! You'll leave Yourself open to Attack on Here !! One careless Unexplained Comedy Act and Your for it !!..
    Your Life Choice Theatre.....
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    11:36am
    And I always thought that Shirtfronting was Grabbing Someone by the Scruff of the neck of the shirt and giving them a Good Talking to ??.. Id like to see that in this Case !
    I'm sure that Happy Familys Get-together could do with some Entertainment ??
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    12:43pm
    I wonder. Would SBS TV would show Abbott shirt lifting Putin on SBS news?
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    1:19pm
    Don't be Vulgar !!!!
    wally
    16th Oct 2014
    9:27am
    Who? Me?
    pom13
    14th Oct 2014
    12:04pm
    My cousin in the UK asked me is Abbott as stupid as he looks, I replied even more so! Abbott has made Australia the laughing stock of the World.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    12:10pm
    Better than Abbott and Costello ?
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    12:14pm
    What and he couldn't distinguish,Mr Abbott after all is English by birth but I would not lump them all in the same basket. Plus at least you know that he stands up for his Country and it's peoples.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    12:20pm
    I wasn't Game to say that !!
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    12:23pm
    Come to Think on it That posturing verbose say a lot mean nothing Cameron comes across as a goose a lot if the time. And you can bet he gets a few chuckles.
    robin hood
    14th Oct 2014
    6:45pm
    Pom go back to Pommie land
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    6:48pm
    With a Name like Robin Hood You said that ?? He! He !!
    Kato
    15th Oct 2014
    10:26am
    Confucius say wrong Forrest.
    wally
    16th Oct 2014
    9:26am
    Is Abbott as stupid as he looks? Does that mean Rhodes Scholars, by association, are automatically stupid? Bob Hawke is/was a Rhodes Scholar. Does that mean/make Bob Hawke stupid as well? both of these men have been elected Prime Minister of Australia. Would you say there is a stupidity factor at work in the Australian electorate? Or as the philosopher Forrest Gump might say, "Stupidity is as stupidity does".
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    10:52pm
    My Mum would have said..."Is He as Green as He is Cabbage Looking ??"
    Kato
    12th Nov 2014
    1:03am
    Well that Robin ain't rockin. Lost in da hood.
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    12:17pm
    Only way to settle this both wearing speedos and a ride off around the gold coast.all proceeds to charity.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    12:22pm
    And don't come Back !!!
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    12:34pm
    And take campbelle Newman with them.
    Jen
    14th Oct 2014
    2:31pm
    Hear hear! (Especially the bit about Campbell Newman but he'll be gone soon anyway.)
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    2:51pm
    You mean they never knew how well off they were with Governor Bligh ??
    mogo51
    14th Oct 2014
    12:18pm
    I am no Abbott fan, but surely it is appropriate for him to meet and discuss the mater with Putin. He has every right to express Australia;s concerns and ask for explanation.
    He is doing what all political 'leaders' do huffing and puffing, when the time comes I am certain he will tone down his approach. Regrettably he is using a very sad situation for political gain.
    aly_rob60
    14th Oct 2014
    1:06pm
    All this stupid posturing and blokie-ness does is take the heat off all the other shite we have to put up with.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    1:36pm
    Yep! But that's only what HE Thought ??
    Jen
    14th Oct 2014
    2:17pm
    Dead right, aly_rob60.
    alinejordan
    14th Oct 2014
    12:26pm
    it's all bluster designed for local consumption. i bet when Putin fronts up he'll be all polite and diplomatic.. shirtfronting won't bring the victims back!
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    12:37pm
    Yep the Kremlin will have the micro chip turned real low on the agro dial.
    Kato
    11th Nov 2014
    11:40am
    shirt lifting more like it.
    What an embarrassment Abbott is to Australia and the rest of the world, he could not fight his way out of a paper bag.

    He begged for the job as PM, and he made the point, strongly to all in sundry who were
    in that negotiating period, that he would do anything to get that job. Anything to get that job.

    You would well remember, and your colleagues should be well aware, that the only codicil you put on was, I will do anything to get this job as Prime Minister of Australia.

    “The only thing I (Rabbott) won’t do is sell my arse.” To believe that is saying the sky will fall in tomorrow
    dougie
    14th Oct 2014
    12:28pm
    Off course he needs to speak strongly, Russia nor Putin seem to be unduly concerned about what the rest of the free world thinks about them. What is to be gained by being weak and condescending in approaches to this country and its government. Good on you Tony and at last Bill Shorten says yes!
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2014
    3:32pm
    You always listen to what the media don't tell you? regrets have been expressed - we don't get a daily update on how Russians and Ukrainians feel about this tragedy, any more than they got a daily update over Steve Irwin's death... or how Australians feel about whaling...
    Coachman on the box
    14th Oct 2014
    12:33pm
    With his 'You bet you are' comment on his remark yesterday about shirt-fronting the leader of another nation, and the absent-minded way he said it with his eyes full of the hundred yard stare - he's clearly repeating the voices he's hearing in his head. He's insane.

    The only way to stop this is to ask the Queen's representative in this country to use his powers to dismiss the government and order a fresh general election. This government is unaustralian, a disgrace and an international mockery. Enough is enough, people. We have to act now before it's too late.

    https://www.communityrun.org/petitions/stop-this-government-s-madness
    ozimarco
    14th Oct 2014
    1:01pm
    Totally agree. Abbott will do anything to secure votes, whether that means being cruel to asylum seekers, creating the right atmosphere for islamophobes or going to war in a faraway country. Never mind what is in Australia's best interests, it's the votes that count. Australians were duly warned of the danger of electing this ultra right-wing government, yet they went ahead, anyway. We now have the government and the prime minister we deserve. Depressing, isn't it?
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    1:46pm
    Not Really !! I like guessing what He is going to do or say Next !!
    Jen
    14th Oct 2014
    2:15pm
    "Abbott will do anything to secure votes, whether that means being cruel to asylum seekers, creating the right atmosphere for islamophobes or going to war in a faraway country" Or making our youth feel worthless, and our elderly and disabled, burdens.

    It's funny what attracts a vote in this country. Not funny haha though.
    miss aisle
    17th Oct 2014
    4:41pm
    Obviously, if Tony Abbott got so many votes, it must mean that the majority of
    Aussies feel the same way about illegal immigrants.
    It's not that Tony "will do anything to secure votes" -
    It's people wanted him to stop the boats, etc. !
    Jen
    17th Oct 2014
    4:56pm
    But far more illegal immigrants come in by plane but nothing's done about that because it's not a vote catcher, apparently. Tony didn't invent a catchy slogan about those immigrants? And were Australians expecting him to inflict cruelty on the asylum seekers in the process of stopping them? Is that what Australians wanted? I can't imagine that to be the case. At least I sincerely hope not. Anybody watch the Four Corners programme about what happened to those he forced to return to Sri Lanka? And Tony's against terrorism??
    miss aisle
    18th Oct 2014
    10:44am
    With our current state of affairs, Tony is busy trying to get rid of labor's debt &
    look after his own people ! Doing what's best for Australia.
    If the illegals came into our country at the same rate as when labor was in power,
    can you imagine the state of our country in 20 to 30 years ??
    I think the majority of Aussies wanted all illegals to stop -
    for our safety, using those billions of $ on needy people here, & they don't
    assimilate at all.
    Yes, Tony is against terrorism - he is trying to keep them out!

    Nearly all are economic migrants & some are radicals.
    particolor
    18th Oct 2014
    10:58am
    SOME ??
    student
    14th Oct 2014
    12:48pm
    I only bet on certainties, and I will back the Russian oligarchy (in the blue corner) against the Aussie idiot (in the' budgie smugglers' red corner). Both men are ego-maniacs I will bet any amount of money that the Mad Monk does NOT 'shirtfront' President Putin.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    12:57pm
    Your on !! A Buck on the Rusky ! I cant afford any more on the Old Age Pension !!
    aly_rob60
    14th Oct 2014
    1:08pm
    They are as mad as each other! Both walk like apes, both think they are god's gift, both like to display their half'naked bodies to the public....eeewwwww.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    1:21pm
    I hope they don't attend the Rich Barsted Nosh Up dressed like that !!
    Sceptic
    14th Oct 2014
    1:27pm
    Oh dear, shock horror, When Mr Abbott is on life saving duties on the beach he wears the life saver's uniform of speedos.
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    1:30pm
    Yes but how do you get two sociopatht's out of the same corner?
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    1:51pm
    Throw a Banana in the centre of the Ring ??
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    6:29pm
    Or put them in a shower and throw in a bar of soap, maybe?
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    11:31pm
    That Cheating !! You know Vlad would get it first !!
    Pass the Ductape
    14th Oct 2014
    12:48pm
    Abbott might get shirt-fronted back and what if Putin is only wearing a singlet? My money's on Putin in any shirt-fronting episode in any case; I doubt he'd even raise a snigger! The man rides a horse bareback - and without a shirt for goodness sake. Beats the pants off someone imitating a duck walking, sporting a pair of speedos and wearing lycra whilst riding a bike, I should think!
    student
    14th Oct 2014
    1:14pm
    Duct, you and particolor are the best anti-depressants ever :)

    I have seen pics of Putin riding a horse bare-back whilest carrying a multitude of armor and rifles. That versus the Budge Smuggler?? Is this going to be the new Abbott and Costello??
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    1:54pm
    I like the Picture in the Header !! It looks like He is thinking... ( OO ! Id like to be the President of Russia !!)
    geomac
    14th Oct 2014
    12:57pm
    Why would a rugby man use an aussie rules footy term ? Its obvious he has no idea what it actually means or is he saying he will illegally charge into a blindsided Putin ? Thats what a shirtfront is. Running full pelt into an opponent with the shoulder while the opponent has his eyes on the ball. It is a reportable offence.
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    12:47pm
    How about supplying weapons and support to alleged dissidents in a neighbouring country so you can pinch land from that country? Is that too a reportable offence?
    student
    14th Oct 2014
    1:02pm
    Is it just me, or do others agree it is not the brightest thing to fly an aircraft , especially a passenger aircraft, through a recognised war zone??
    aly_rob60
    14th Oct 2014
    1:11pm
    YES! Agree totally! What is wrong with our Press and the public, that NO-ONE is asking this question??? Why was a passenger plane flying over a war zone? And why are we spending millions $$$$ looking for another Malaysian airways plane? something very fishy about all of this.........
    aly_rob60
    14th Oct 2014
    1:14pm
    Especially when our country is supposedly broke and we all have to be submitted to budgetry constraints? What is wrong with everybody that we are not kicking up a stink about this? We can afford to go hunting for a plane that is not ours, we send our troops to a war that is not ours and we spend millions $$$ on people who are not ours????

    Time for a revolution!
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    1:16pm
    That is Not Ours !!
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    1:34pm
    I'll Bet Putin doesn't Fly out here over Ukraine Air Space ??
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2014
    3:44pm
    I considered starting out from Beijing and following The Silk Road by car...... far too many dangerous spots along the way nowadays..... so I re-considered and figured the Trans-Siberian was a better bet.... shame that...... but a better chance of getting home with my head still attached to my body....
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    4:00pm
    Vlad will be dropped out of his presidential jet over the ocean and will hand glide into the gold coast. Barechested
    .
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    5:03pm
    With His Horse under His Arm !!
    wally
    16th Oct 2014
    9:31am
    Maybe Vlad will bring, not a horse under his arm, but a horse's head as a gift to have the KGB guys put in Tony's bed.
    aly_rob60
    14th Oct 2014
    1:02pm
    Yeah right! If Abbott was anywhere serious about the Ruskies and the Australian's whose lives were lost, he would have told Putin NOT to bother coming to our shores!!! What an insult to the families who lost someone in this tragedy.
    Abbott.... you are an embarrassment!
    geomac
    14th Oct 2014
    1:42pm
    Neither Abbott , Hockey or Shorten for that matter have a say about who the G20 have attend as leaders. We do not run it or make the rules but are merely the host , the caterer if you like.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    2:54pm
    I just hope He doesn't sell Bass Straight to pay for it ??
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    4:06pm
    Do we still own it?
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    5:30pm
    Probably Not ! It was most likely sold off behind our backs and without our permission a while back ?? Well know when the New Owners put a Toll on it !!
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    10:32pm
    particolor: your comment is the (sad) reality of politics in Australia. Both sides are selling the nation to foreigners as fast as they can...and lying about this along the way.
    Jennie
    14th Oct 2014
    1:11pm
    Putin is a severe narcissist. Therefore dealing with him in any way is impossible. He will only be able to see his own point of view and will always be RIGHT even when he is wrong and anything that is wrong will ALWAYS be someone else's fault. He will take offense at any perceived/imaginary slight. He is unable to change as narcissism is a mental health issue and this is not a problem for him due to the nature of the condition. He will take no responsibility for his actions. Tony Abbott needs to be totally aware of this, as the situation is dangerous.
    Mar
    14th Oct 2014
    1:19pm
    It will be two posturing egotistical males showing off for the enjoyment of all those at the money wasting G20 summit. Nothing Abbott does is in the interest of this country, he's about personal interest and being seen to be doing something!!!
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    1:31pm
    Yes they could all Video Conference each other (CHEAPLY) in this day and age and tell each other Why they have a Belly Ache !!
    Jen
    14th Oct 2014
    1:55pm
    Totally agree, Mar. It'll be two bully boys together trying to show the other, "Mine's bigger than yours."

    And happening on the world stage at a taxpayer funded snort-fest.

    Sad.
    Polly Esther
    14th Oct 2014
    1:27pm
    In the good old days a damn good shirt front fair and square would shake up your opposition and slow them down considerably, however in these days of political correctness and nicety it is somewhat frowned upon in the game, and now a days the perpetrator is for some reason liable to receive a heavy suspension for committing it. However, we at this time do not know what Mr Abbotts interpretation of a shirt front is. He may simply mean that when he meets Mr Putin and shakes his hand he will vomit all down the front of him.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    1:40pm
    No No !! It means He will Brush the Crumbs of the front of Mr Putin's Shirt after the lavish Pig Out at the Conference !!
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    3:54pm
    He wanna be careful shaking hands with Vlad.the new England patriots former owner Bob Kraft lost his world champ ring to vlad and is still waiting to get it back.

    14th Oct 2014
    1:55pm
    Yeah well don't look at me I didn't vote for the man....

    Bit unsettled by the strange "You bet you are" comment and having a quiet mull about what it might be suggesting about the Prime Ministerial sub-conscious...Perhaps it some sort of motivational affirmation spoken aloud ...

    But hell who knows what makes the man tick!
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    2:19pm
    They Wind Him Up after every Gaff !!
    Ny19
    14th Oct 2014
    4:08pm
    Multiple personality disorder?......sort of makes sense now that I think of it. There are the lies he says he never said and and he told us himself that we should never believe anything he says unless it's in writing. "You bet you are" was very strange indeed!
    dougie
    14th Oct 2014
    2:07pm
    So sorry - you must all be right and I am wrong, after all you each agree with Jacqui Lambie.
    Congratulations.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    2:14pm
    Who's Jaqui Lambie ?
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    5:28pm
    The package hunter.
    particolor
    19th Oct 2014
    3:00pm
    Tomb Raider is on tonight 8pm on 7 Mate !!
    downunder
    14th Oct 2014
    2:09pm
    I am ashamed - this man (Blabbott) is an idiot with a lose mouth. Switch on brain before you talk, but that is already too much asked. Nobody likes Putin, but if you want to have a discussion you don't sledge-hammer it before it even started. We need an election and we need it now, before he and his cronies can do more damage.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    2:34pm
    O! Give Him a go !! I'm sure He will say something Sensible Soon ??
    Foxy
    14th Oct 2014
    2:19pm
    Have just loved the comments made by everyone on this Topic today - the sense of humour - the witty replies etc. have just "made my day" lol lol lol ..........
    P.S. Apparently the Russian Press is having a great time - to the point where they associate "Australians" to only have the mentality of "Home n' Away" and "Masterchef" ! (their words - not mine!) lol .....maybe they can have a "bake-off" (Pie's topped with Caviar?)
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    2:31pm
    Its not over Yet Foxy !! But Wait there's more !!.. I'm sure some of the Defence haven't even warmed up yet ??..
    Jen
    14th Oct 2014
    2:40pm
    Yes, even I've had a few chuckles here today. :D

    I guess if we can't laugh, we'll cry?
    PlanB
    14th Oct 2014
    2:56pm
    Sure seems like Abbott is not well liked --I signed that petion AND sent it on to others
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    3:02pm
    :( Some are Sobbing already ? Dunno what Upset them ??
    Ny19
    14th Oct 2014
    4:14pm
    What petition?
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    5:01pm
    The Petition to Bring back the Cat for Out of Order Pollies !!
    Reeper
    14th Oct 2014
    2:55pm
    Putin has been a stain on progress for Russia since he first started his moves become a Supreme President of Russia. He was a nasty little man before politics, and certainly hasn't matured in the job. Putin hides behind Russian media when he has something to say so perhaps being fronted by another leader will be something of a shock. The world knows Putin was well aware of the 'lending' of serious military hardware to further a new Soviet Russia, but it's inappropriate use was something he didn't bargain for. I think Mr Abbott has every right to use the Australian vernacular in his promise..now he has to stand by it
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    3:08pm
    STREWTH !! I reckon You'd throw Your Cloak over a Puddle for Him ??..
    Jen
    14th Oct 2014
    3:14pm
    Abbott was a nasty little man before and since politics, as well. A bully his whole life, from what I've read, so perhaps they'll be a good match for each other. Either way, it's a shameful manner for our prime minister to behave. We've come to expect this sort of behaviour from Putin. Will we come to expect it from Abbott?
    miss aisle
    17th Oct 2014
    8:56am
    Agree, Reeper. Tony Abbott should not pretend everything is OK when it's not.
    We should not allow ourselves to be intimidated, especially by a crime involving
    human lives.
    I think Abbott will say what needs to be said.
    Mitch
    14th Oct 2014
    3:06pm
    Politicians, and particularly those in government, should be a role model to the nation's children. We teach anti-bullying and peace in school, and yet we have a Prime Minister who so publicly talks about attacking another world leader. It mirrors the sort of verbal behaviour that takes place in our Parliament daily. For the sake of our children, our leaders should examine their behaviour. I think they'll find they are wanting!
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    3:29pm
    I've Booked them in to Dr Phil !!
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2014
    3:39pm
    Jerry,.... Jerrry... Jerry......

    ".... and in the Red cornahhh, here at The Grapplerdome, home of boxing, weighing in at the size of a Russian bear, the undisputed champ-eeen of All Russia and holder of the Ukraine border dispute belt... the Monster from Moscow, the Beast from Baikal...... Vlad The Terrible...............in the Blue-tie cornaaaaah, weighing in at political featherweight-ah, the undisputed lead-aaaah of Austray-liaaaa, holder of the heavyweight belt for political gaffes.....The Wall-bashing Wonker... One Australia Stomper.... The Pensioner Pacifier.... The Leaner Lambaster... The Sheik of Narrabeen... The Budget Smuggler himself....the one.. the ONLY........ Tony The Phoney Abbott!".................
    Alexia_x
    14th Oct 2014
    3:10pm
    It would be in the best interest of all Australians if Mr Putin would NOT be allowed to come to Australia.
    Mr Abbot cannot be trusted with any diplomatic conversation with anyone, let alone with a politician of evasive character and deplorable international manners.
    And the investigation going on of the MH17 air disaster could be compromised.
    Would every Australian get up and voice their opinion? Of course not! We are the most laid back people on earth.

    14th Oct 2014
    3:23pm
    " the actions of Russia, surrounding its alleged involvement"

    That says it all - neither side has any entitlement to shoot the Gremlin from the Kremlin with no proof whatsoever that his government was in any way involved, other than as the probable producer of the probable weapon that brought down the airliner.

    Comments involving visions of personal violence towards a visiting head of state are clearly out of order, and Bill Short-one would be far better served listening to sound heads and talking reason than in grabbing sound bites.

    The Slavic world must think we are all insane down here.... dah, dah, the mad Australians.. ha, ha.. everyone is knowing this... in blood, comrades...
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    3:41pm
    Yeah ?? Like their the Masters of Sanity !!

    14th Oct 2014
    4:01pm
    Is Pukin Putin a Shirt Lifter ???

    Bloody socialist worm.

    He is a murderer and should be charged for crimes against humanity
    Kato
    14th Oct 2014
    4:12pm
    Well he does a great Elton John skit.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    6:46pm
    Kato.. NO !! I'm not going to say one of whatevers Songs !!
    unicorn
    14th Oct 2014
    4:54pm
    Yea we will see Abbott often opens his mouth before [utting his brain into gear - in other words hat he says one day takes ona different meaning the next day!
    thelmo
    14th Oct 2014
    4:55pm
    Tony is not at school , Grow Up tony you do not deserve a capital t . You are on the world stage, You are dealing with real men.
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    6:16pm
    They just said on the 6 O Clock News...Tony was speaking the wrong language there !..
    And I was thinking maybe He should have said it in Russian ??
    thelmo
    14th Oct 2014
    4:56pm
    Tony is not at school , Grow Up tony you do not deserve a capital t . You are on the world stage, You are dealing with real men.
    Mike Omment
    14th Oct 2014
    5:14pm
    38 Australians murdered......200 dead, and all you childish left wing idiots can do is come up with childish jokes and slurs . typical
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2014
    5:26pm
    Lefties love their idol Pukin Putin

    Glad we still havent got Juliar and Kevin Dudd in charge

    This country would have been bankrupt
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    5:33pm
    Instead of Rolling in it !!
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2014
    5:37pm
    pink batts anyone.

    have the dead people and foreigners returned those check payments yet.
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    9:22pm
    YOU ARE A GOVERNMENT TROLL SOLOMON AND SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO POST ON THIS WEBSITE.
    wally
    16th Oct 2014
    9:37am
    parti, what exactly do you mean? Who is rolling in what? I know what we are being drowned in if what I think you said what some on e is rolling in is deep enough.
    seadog
    14th Oct 2014
    6:29pm
    I would just have liked to see the full interview not just the little bit that was shown. Obviously he means to "shirt front" verbally which he should do. I know that some of you hate to say a good word but pity you were not so vocal when the KRudd and Juliar were Prime Minister because so many of you are so biased it is not funny. I do not have a political side or barrow to push but I think that any reasonable Prime Minister should stand up to the "Putin Bully" and speak up for our murdered Australians because if he does not then who else is. Certainly not some of you correspondents!
    Mar
    14th Oct 2014
    7:27pm
    10 out of 10 for the good old Aussie sense of humour. It makes the day a little brighter. All we hear in the news is death and destruction. How could this particular article be taken too serious? Abbott and Putin? Maybe they will shake hands and ride off into the sunset together, forever. One can only wish!
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    7:50pm
    They couldn't help it Mar ! I think they are Secretly in Leeerve with the Um Er King of Australia ??
    Judy in the hills
    14th Oct 2014
    10:15pm
    Of course Tony Abbott would have to confront Putin on behalf of those families who lost their nearest and dearest.

    Can't you Labor sounding sympathisers work that one out? What do you think your leader would do in the same circumstances - smile and give Putin a welcome hug?
    particolor
    14th Oct 2014
    10:26pm
    Well if I had one I'm darn sure He wouldn't Rip His shirt off ??
    Kato
    15th Oct 2014
    10:23am
    do not confuse confront, with polly speak. and bluster. Labour or Liberal. greens, one family, palmer united, et al
    miss aisle
    17th Oct 2014
    4:53pm
    Yes, agree Judy in the hills, what would Aussies think if Tony just ignored speaking about the horrendous, criminal act with one of those responsible.
    Tony Abbott is much more sincere with his words even if there is less charisma,
    (than Rudd, who babbled b.s.)
    He will say his piece using candor & tact! Keep up the good work, Tony.
    professori_au
    14th Oct 2014
    11:18pm
    Abbott doing what he does best, bullying and playing the fool. Most of the parliament is not doing much better. I suspect Putin will treat him with disdain and contempt. Abbott will be able to add that to his comedy routine
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    12:54pm
    Your comments abut Abbott would apply equally to Putin, only Putin's comedy routine would be about as funny as being bitten by a death adder.
    Lula
    14th Oct 2014
    11:44pm
    This is consistent with his need to project a macho image (one wonders why).
    professori_au
    15th Oct 2014
    10:56am
    small man (intellectually) massive ego
    Gee Whiz
    15th Oct 2014
    7:10am
    Oh for gods's sake. Another stupid word (shirtfront) that means nothing let alone meaning confrontation.
    What is it about the media's mentality that they wet their pants over something like this.
    Watch them run riot with this word over the next few months because their tiny little minds can't think of anything else to report.
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    8:39am
    Its time for Big Girls Blouse ??
    Kato
    15th Oct 2014
    11:22pm
    oh for god's sake don't get ya knickers in a twist.
    unicorn
    15th Oct 2014
    7:37am
    As I said yesterday & according to the news this morning I have not changed my mind (unlike Abbott) he needs to put his brain or somebody else's into gear before opening his big mouth.
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    9:06am
    Do You think someone who doesn't like Him wrote that Speech ! Or did it just Topple Out ??
    Jen
    15th Oct 2014
    7:56am
    I think Putin and Abbott are two of a kind. They both believe they have a God-given duty to rule as they please, stifle dissent, both bully boys, keep secrets, hide facts, keep the lower classes down while propping up the big end of town. I could go on and on. But intellectually, I'd give Putin the edge.
    jaker
    15th Oct 2014
    9:47am
    Tony Abbott is not dumb but he makes himself out to be because a lot of voters identify with dumb.
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    12:57pm
    And some of our respondents want the Kevin and Julia "Show" to make a comeback. Now that is scary.
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    1:16pm
    Nobody said nor thought that, I don't think Wally ..Just a Decent Alternative Party with a Bit of a Clue how to Run a Country With a bit of Diplomacy and Heart !!
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    6:26pm
    As well as a "Witty Person" parti, are you touting yourself as a mind reader too? Look at some of the comments and try connecting the dots to see where they lead in fathoming what is behind the posts.
    professori_au
    15th Oct 2014
    11:10am
    I understand tony Abbott has dual Nationality British and Australian. Research seems ti indicate he has not given up his British Nationality. If this is correct then he cannot stand in parliament. The requirement under our constitution is to be Australian born or after 5 years living here you can apply to become an Australian citizen and you give up your citizenship of your old country to become Australian and give allegiance to the people of the Commonwealth of Australia. I wonder also how many of our politicians are attempting to give allegiance to two masters. Impossible to serve two masters without compromising one or the other. What do you do? Who do you give allegiance?
    professori_au
    15th Oct 2014
    11:10am
    I understand tony Abbott has dual Nationality British and Australian. Research seems ti indicate he has not given up his British Nationality. If this is correct then he cannot stand in parliament. The requirement under our constitution is to be Australian born or after 5 years living here you can apply to become an Australian citizen and you give up your citizenship of your old country to become Australian and give allegiance to the people of the Commonwealth of Australia. I wonder also how many of our politicians are attempting to give allegiance to two masters. Impossible to serve two masters without compromising one or the other. What do you do? Who do you give allegiance?
    professori_au
    15th Oct 2014
    11:10am
    I understand tony Abbott has dual Nationality British and Australian. Research seems ti indicate he has not given up his British Nationality. If this is correct then he cannot stand in parliament. The requirement under our constitution is to be Australian born or after 5 years living here you can apply to become an Australian citizen and you give up your citizenship of your old country to become Australian and give allegiance to the people of the Commonwealth of Australia. I wonder also how many of our politicians are attempting to give allegiance to two masters. Impossible to serve two masters without compromising one or the other. What do you do? Who do you give allegiance?
    professori_au
    15th Oct 2014
    11:10am
    I understand tony Abbott has dual Nationality British and Australian. Research seems ti indicate he has not given up his British Nationality. If this is correct then he cannot stand in parliament. The requirement under our constitution is to be Australian born or after 5 years living here you can apply to become an Australian citizen and you give up your citizenship of your old country to become Australian and give allegiance to the people of the Commonwealth of Australia. I wonder also how many of our politicians are attempting to give allegiance to two masters. Impossible to serve two masters without compromising one or the other. What do you do? Who do you give allegiance?
    Adrianus
    15th Oct 2014
    6:14pm
    "Research seems to indicate."
    What research? He either is or he isn't holding a British Passport. Anyway he said he cancelled his British passport 20 years ago when he entered parliament. That's good enough for me!
    This seems to be an American idea because there are those who believe Obama real father is none other than the communist agitator Frank Marshall Davis and that he is not American, he was born in Kenya?
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    9:24pm
    Funny how you always respond to anti Abbott posts Frank. But then this is what trolls do. Cash for trolling???
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    9:56pm
    What are you saying mick ???
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    11:03pm
    I am saying that Frank is one of two bloggers who appear to be cash for comment guys. They always rubbish anything to do with Labor whilst extolling the virtues of the current government. And when one gets into the facts and figures they issue slogans.
    I guess you'll make up your own mind as you read their comments over time.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    12:02am
    Oh no I rubbish labor myself I think they are crooks and run by a mafia of Union thugs,,.
    I too think the Coalition govt is doing a good job but too left wing for me...
    MICK
    16th Oct 2014
    8:46am
    The only thing I can say Pete is look at how this government came to office and follow the money trail. Remember the "she lied" and "ditch the witch" campaigns? These were orchestrated by this government with the help of their disciple Alan Jones. You would not see that from Labor. Nor would you see the low life behaviour in the parliament which blocked everything, including good legislation, other than a pay rise for politicians.
    If you want a real insight into this government Pete then look at where this government is sending money: the rich and their big business interests.
    I do agree that this government has done a good job with the boat people invasion, albeit deceitful, but the Carbon Tax and Mining Tax repeals were nothing more than more money for miners and especially coal, oil and gas....which get an annual windfall of $8 BILLION from the taxpayer compliment Tony Abbott.
    You are right about the union movement but you may have noticed that Shorten is trying to give the rank and file one vote per member to dilute the influence of the unions. I do think that you have to divorce the elected members from the thugs who infest unions and remember people like Combet.....ex union but genuine Australians trying to fix a broken system.
    I refuse to support either side of politics even though it may sound like I support Labor. I don't. Its just that the current government is a very rotten barrel of Howard left over apples and is millstone around all of our necks. If you think that they are bad for average Australians then wait and see what we are all in for if they get a second term. I doubt that pensioners will let that happen.
    wally
    16th Oct 2014
    9:54am
    Eight billion dollars? is this the same mining tax that the economic genius Wayne Swan put in as treasurer and then the Labor government allocated the tax money they thought they would collect before it was collected? Then when the mining tax failed to produce the expected revenue, Labor refused to cut back on their promised allocation funding, borrowed more money and tried to sweep the whole mess under the carpet and deceive the voters once again? At least the Greedy Mining Magnates employ people and through their past efforts, sold enough mineral raw materials overseas to get Australia through the GFC despite all of Rudd's boasts of saving Australia because of his "stimulus" programs which benefitted importers of electrical goods, bodgy installation installers and Labor Mates that built school infrastructure. Not to mention the NBN "pie in the sky" scheme that seems to bumble along while its benefit to the public keeps shrinking. Are you really proposing that Australia needs more illegal boat people flooding in and a return of Wayne Swan to the levers of government power in Australia?
    MICK
    16th Oct 2014
    3:10pm
    wally: my recollection about the Mining Tax is that the rich miners ran a prime time TV hate campaign against it.
    Whilst I have no objections to any businessman making money out of any venture they engage in wall I draw the line with miners who are of the opinion that they should get to keep it all. Whilst the mining industry pays royalties it gets a diesel fuel subsidy (paid for by taxpayers) and has more deductions than an accountant doing his own tax return. Bob Brown claimed that 85% of profits went straight out of the country (because most of these miners are either partly or wholly foreign owned).
    The question I ask you is how much is a fair reward for assets which belong to the public? And given that CEOs of these companies are paid enormous amounts of money (base salary + incentives.....better known as unlimited free shares) what do you consider fair?
    Swan m ay have been an arrogant suss but on this one I have to agree. The owner of an asset deserves a fair return, not crumbs and pin money.
    Adrianus
    16th Oct 2014
    4:29pm
    Over the next four years, Australia’s coal industry will pay $18.3 billion to state governments.
    This will build hospitals, schools and roads.
    On top of those payments to state governments, the coal industry will contribute more than $10 billion in tax to the Federal Government.
    There are people like mick and his mate Bob Brown who want this industry closed down but in true ideological fashion do not have an alternative to replace the 50,000 jobs and the state and federal tax revenue.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2014
    9:23pm
    Frank: your response is identical to government responses to media questions: ignore the real answer and crap on about side issues.
    You conveniently omit to say how much money is flowing OUT OF THE NATION. Whilst $18.3 billion is a good bit of money the nation would have saved $24 billion had it not repealed the Carbon Tax along with cleaner energy starting it path to give us all free and clean energy.
    And then you rave on about jobs Frank. Please explain about the tens of thousands of jobs lost in clean energy businesses since your boss Tony Abbott came to power.
    In the end it is about more than money. Sadly Tony Abbott and his cronies who are answerable to big business cannot understand that all the money in the world cannot replace clean air, natural environments and the need to live a quality life. These are all disposable for your employer Frank and we do not need coal, just business people who can do more than dig up poison.
    Adrianus
    17th Oct 2014
    9:16am
    Not sure I understand mick?
    Where did you say those 50,000 jobs will come from?
    What do we use to replace coal mick?
    When you had a shower and brushed your teeth this morning you used COAL. When you put on those rayon/nylon undies you were happy to have COAL comfort!
    mick give me some answers to change my mind and I will gladly do so!
    miss aisle
    17th Oct 2014
    6:41pm
    Volcanoes throughout the world, do much more damage to our ozone layer than all the coal/electricity etc. used.
    Adrianus
    17th Oct 2014
    8:01pm
    40% of the worlds electricity is produced with coal.
    professori_au
    15th Oct 2014
    11:13am
    Hmmm Seems the comment caused a hiccough. Must be hard to digest that piece of information:)
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    12:59pm
    Or maybe it's the Parkinson's.
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    1:26pm
    I read it 4 times and You didn't repeat Yourself once !! Congratulations !!..

    What's everybody in Canberra doing Rushing to the Registry Office for ???
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    1:30pm
    Anyhow I read that Months ago and I'll bet He's Snuck in and fixed that little Loop Hole now ??
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    1:51pm
    When was Australian nationality invented I thought we were all British Subjects under the one Queen ....
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    1:56pm
    Yes and everybody Thought that Half Backed Federation Blew that out the Window ??
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    2:17pm
    Nah federation time all Brits .Just didn't want any furriners ...
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    2:19pm
    Specially partly coloured ones
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    3:47pm
    Just be Proud of Our Multi Cultural Mess You lot !! The Federal Government says we are !! You hear it all the time !!
    btony
    15th Oct 2014
    1:49pm
    And so Vlad will swatteth the fly
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    1:54pm
    Putin KGB thug Tone good ole Aussie rugby playing surfie ...stuck it up him tone ...
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    1:59pm
    Will they hang 2 Pair of Boxing Gloves in the Foyer ??
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    2:32pm
    Nah our Tone wouldn't hit an older guy ...Too much respect for his elders ....
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    3:55pm
    I hope they didn't forget to order in some Top Shelf VODKA ???
    Adrianus
    15th Oct 2014
    5:23pm
    Putin is a black belt (judo) and Abbott is a very fit ex boxer. So neither will be intimidated physically if the robust discussion in the back room turns into something more.
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    9:55pm
    But Abbot would have the age advantage ..
    Adrianus
    16th Oct 2014
    2:50pm
    And Putin the wealth advantage. He is probably the richest person in Russia. Possibly the richest person in the world?
    MICK
    16th Oct 2014
    9:38pm
    "Our Tone" Pete??? Sick man!! I am sorry that you find this man to have qualities worthy of such a statement.
    unicorn
    15th Oct 2014
    3:36pm
    You say Tony Blabbott has too much respect for his elder's how come he doesn't show any respect when he is dealing with Pensioners, surely we are classed as his elders?
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    3:51pm
    He said Elders !! Not Worn Out Old Tax Payers !!
    wally
    15th Oct 2014
    6:35pm
    I got a letter signed by Tony Abbott today (and I suppose other age pensioners did too) that says there will not be any pension cuts. I intend to file it away and see how well he keeps this promise. I suggest everyone else that gets the letter do the same so we can use it to hold him to account.
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    9:44pm
    Yeah !! I wasn't coming Back till I read that ! I got a letter today too from Centrelink as normal after a So called Pay Increase ?? Well It went down $10 not up ?? .. And after reading it I noticed that they take a Quarter of Your Pension for Rent OK ! but since when did that include the WHOLE Pension Supplement and All ?? That was to remain outside the Rent assessment ?? Its for Phone Supplement,GST and other Misc. Items, I call it double dipping and all I got was a Pension DECREASE??.. Vote LIBERAL !!
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    9:50pm
    How can you get a decrease when it rises every six months . Secondly although the carbon tax has been repealed you get to keep the compensation for it .
    MICK
    16th Oct 2014
    8:50am
    Funny how the 'bad Carbon Tax' pundits never mention that Pete. Also funny how they never mention that electricity prices which were the cornerstone of the last election did not go down by 70% to bring us back to the pre Carbon Tax days. See an Abbott lie for what it was.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    9:35am
    With the elimination of the Co 2 tax electricity prices will drop . If the RET was dropped they would drop even more . But whilst we pay in our electricity bills to support uneconomic renewable energies they will remain high ..
    We now have a surplus of electricity and should shut now all expensive means of generating and rely on the cheapest ...coal ..
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    9:37am
    It is a State issue not federal ...
    MICK
    16th Oct 2014
    3:20pm
    Pete: you have been deceived. Have a look at the AVERAGE cost per KWH before the Carbon Tax was brought in. Then have a look at the same cost before the repeal. Scary.
    Prices are going down 7%. They should be going down around 70%. The price of electricity has nothing much to do with the RET as the bulk of the money went into electricity infrastructure....which now has over capacity. Dumb!!
    Do you recall the lying government and the spruikers: Abbott, Hockey, Pyne and Hunt? All cried "you have high electricity prices because of the Carbon Tax. LIE!! INTENTIONAL LIE!! SO did you vote for this corrupt bunch of liars. I didn't.
    The stupidity of your last sentence Pete says a lot. Whilst I agree with your sentiments on price you need to remember that new technology takes a while to develop and nobody will develop it if they cannot get a leg up. And ultimately energy from the sun is all but FREE. You can't get any cheaper than that. But don't worry......Abbott and the coal miners have ensured that we all remain enslaved to air polluting coal. Thanks for that. I hope that my great great grandchildren do not hold me responsible for doing this to them.
    Jen
    16th Oct 2014
    3:55pm
    This Government treats us all like fools.
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    4:26pm
    Even the Ones that Voted for them !!
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    5:06pm
    If the renewables are so good entrepreneurs would be jumping in with money to support it and make a quid ..
    MICK
    16th Oct 2014
    9:41pm
    Pete: Renewables are in their infancy and need to be nurtured. And after that THEY ARE FREE. Does that not strike a chord?
    Your statement bring thoughts of matching a 10 year old with a 25 year old in a boxing match. The result is about as predictable as matching coal with its big business backers with green technologies which have zilch dollars and will lose.
    Lets not talk gibberish Pete.
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    10:07pm
    Gibberish is one of the Many New Languages Spoken in Australia now, I heard a couple talking down the street the other day and it sounded like Gibberish to Me ??
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    10:47pm
    PS.. Then they Both Spat on the Footpath and Waltzed off like they owned the Joint !!
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    10:58pm
    Coal is free ...
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    11:08pm
    I know an Australian Farrier that would like to talk to You about that FREE Coal !!.
    I forget what He said now but said it was about 10 times more than the Chinese pay ??
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    11:21pm
    No it's free just like sunshine God put it there for us ....
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    11:29pm
    And the BIG Mining Companies Taketh !!
    MICK
    17th Oct 2014
    9:06am
    Pete: Coal is free? But when its gone there is no more....so your terminology is wrong. Anything which can be used up and is then gone is not 'free'. Only the sun's energy (and ability to produce power) is truly free. The rest belongs to the incumbent population mate. Coal does.
    unicorn
    15th Oct 2014
    5:37pm
    Sorry Party bit I'll still say ELDER'S even if only to annoy Blabbott.
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    9:53pm
    Why the childish name calling , this is not a school yard but a seniors site with over 110,000 readers .
    Going by the figures of the last election the majority would be coalition voters.
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    5:16pm
    Some people still think that Politicians should be Honest and Believed ????
    professori_au
    15th Oct 2014
    8:07pm
    Hi All, Particolor and others who may not have read our Constitution I present this extract. Cheers.
    An interesting point is the £100 per day can be sued by anyone. Also what would be that in today's dollar equivalent. Here are the sections of the constitution for your information.
    Part IV—Both Houses of the Parliament
    44 Disqualification
    Any person who:
    (i) is under any acknowledgment of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or is a subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power; or
    (ii) is attainted of treason, or has been convicted and is under sentence, or subject to be sentenced, for any offence punishable under the law of the Commonwealth or of a State by imprisonment for one year or longer; or
    (iii) is an undischarged bankrupt or insolvent; or
    (iv) holds any office of profit under the Crown, or any pension payable during the pleasure of the Crown out of any of the revenues of the Commonwealth; or
    (v) has any direct or indirect pecuniary interest in any agreement with the Public Service of the Commonwealth otherwise than as a member and in common with the other members of an incorporated company consisting of more than twenty five persons;
    shall be incapable of being chosen or of sitting as a senator or a member of the House of Representatives.
    But subsection (iv) does not apply to the office of any of the Queen’s Ministers of State for the Commonwealth, or of any of the Queen’s Ministers for a State, or to the receipt of pay, half pay, or a pension, by any person as an officer or member of the Queen’s navy or army, or to the receipt of pay as an officer or member of the naval or military forces of the Commonwealth by any person whose services are not wholly employed by the Commonwealth.

    46 Penalty for sitting when disqualified
    Until the Parliament otherwise provides, any person declared by this Constitution to be incapable of sitting as a senator or as a member of the House of Representatives shall, for every day on which he so sits, be liable to pay the sum of one hundred pounds to any person who sues for it in any court of competent jurisdiction.
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    8:42pm
    Yes well as they were all British subjects and Australian citizenship was not introduced until 1949 and the term British subjects was not removed until 1984.
    Alligence to a foreign power meant not a British Citizen...
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    8:46pm
    As a separate and not relevant point Whitlam introduced the title Queen of Australia . So we have our own separate monarchy to that of the UK Cananda NZ etc
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    8:48pm
    As our parliament is supreme we could become a republic by a simple act of Parliament there is no constitutional reason to have a referendum.
    particolor
    15th Oct 2014
    9:11pm
    Yes and Your Leader would love to have a Go at that one and probably will !! That'll Boost His ego !!..Anyhow I resigned on the other Blog after Reading The Three Stooges at the Bottom and from the Bottom I suspect ? Trying to Insult Pensioners and put them on a Guilt trip !! What are they trying to prove ?? and their Boss must pay them well !! GOOD BYE ...
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    9:46pm
    Hello care to explain " your leader". " Three Stooges " " boss must pay them well"??
    Adrianus
    16th Oct 2014
    11:15am
    Pete, a spray of logic to a lefty is like mortein to a cockroach.
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    3:19pm
    IMBECILES !!
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    3:56pm
    LOL - good one Frank.

    Particolor , was that remark aimed at Juliar Lizard, Kevin Dudd and Dick Shorten ???
    MICK
    17th Oct 2014
    9:12am
    You really are an offensive yank Solomon. Try occasionally not to denigrade everybody you do not like. Whilst I need to listen to my own advice I at the very least try to stick with the facts rather than slander all around me for no reason other than I don't like them.
    I can tell you are a true republican Solomon as you demonstarate many of the same characteristics.
    Anonymous
    17th Oct 2014
    9:50am
    I was hoping you were Tea Party Soloman .. They are closer to Libertarians than others ..,
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    9:52am
    Laaarve is a many splendid thing !
    In the morning mist
    Two Lovers Kissed
    And the world stood still !!
    professori_au
    15th Oct 2014
    8:58pm
    Under the invalid Australia Act 1986 the High Court Australia Act 1986
    The power of the Westminster Statute allowed the Australian Parliament to request that the British Parliament enact the Australia act 1986.
    This effectively terminated the ability of the British Parliament and government to make laws for Australia, even at their request, and meant that any law previously passed on behalf of Australia could now be done so by the new Australian Parliament and government.
    It removed the right of the monarch to exercise their power in Australia unless personally present.
    In Sue v Hill 1999, the High Court declared that the UK is a “foreign power”.
    This means that such laws as the Magna Carta, Bill of Rights 1689 and etc are the laws of a foreign country and no longer able to be accessed by Australians.

    As there has never been a referendum to bring about the Australia Act 1986, the parliament has no authority to change our Constitution or create laws that are repugnant, I must admit I do not understand how the creator can suddenly be declared a foreign power by the created?? Still this is what our rogue parliaments are using and as they have brought the judicature under the control of parliament (INVALID) the UK has been declared a foreign power. that is until the lawful government (you and I) bring our parliaments to heel and carry out the Will of the people.
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    9:31pm
    You miss the point professori that wrongdoing is allowed until it is stopped by either an opposition political party, court action or civil revolt. Looking at our crop both sides are dead in the water, the courts are more interested in looking in the mirror and admiring themselves than justice and the general public cares little for other than the footy and self indulgent behaviour. So we have what we have and this will only change when people become hungry....at which time they will become militant. Methinks that a French Revolution may be a ways off....at least until everything worth selling in this nation is gone. The maybe game on.
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2014
    9:35pm
    When the sovereign States came together in 1901 to form a weak federal govt it was mainly seen as useful for defence by the weaker States and as free trade by the stronger States.
    The sovereign states remained although self governng subject to The British Govt . They also retained taxation ..
    The Subjects of the States had multiple " Citizenships"first and foremost they saw themselves as British with full membership of the British Empire project . With the ability to move around the Empire and vote localy wherever they were...
    Secondly they saw themselves as citizens of a self governing State .
    The idea of an Australian citizenship would have seemed novel and was not Intoduced until 1949 ..
    So it would be absurd for them to declare themselves foreign or having alligence to a foreign Power..
    Their concern I believe were Irish Catholics who although part of the Empire were seen to have aligence to the Pope ...
    All very non political correct now as is white Australia but you cannot change past as much as we might now call it the sins of our fathers..,
    MICK
    15th Oct 2014
    11:07pm
    Good point of view Pete.
    professori_au
    15th Oct 2014
    10:29pm
    Mick.
    I don't disagree with what you say and in fact to a certain extent support it. However, If we accept the wrong doing by our politicians we deserve what we get. The political factions controlling the political parties have seized control of our governments with a corrupt and flawed electoral system. The public has been kept ignorant of its rights through the lack of information and the use of misinformation. I believe one option we have is to use the corrupt election system by choosing men and woman of principle who can be elected as independents and who will be accountable to their constituents and the Commonwealth Constitution. It is unacceptable to accept the wrong doing of the past, e.g. The constitution recognises "We the people". I does not say we the black, yellow or brindle. It was treasonous polticians that brought in the White Australia policy. It is not recognised under our Constitution. there are many invalid, therefore illegal amendments and laws enacted that breach the constitution and take away the right of the lawful government. People are starting to learn about our constitution and expect that our elected politicians carry out the Will of the people and not the vested interests of factions or foreign powers. We are and should be a free people setting the world an example of how free people should live together no matter their colour, creed, sex or religion, as lonmg as they obey the laws under our Constitution. I have told my story before about being in an orphanage where the children were treated as objects to be used and abused at the whim of those in power. Are we as a free people expected to accept similar treatment. I grew up with an absolute dislike of bullies whether they are individuals, government or corporations, hence I work as a volunteer Community advocate prepared to do the best of my ability to assist and def3end those vulnerable within our society who are unable or do not know how to defend themselves. How many of you are prepared to speak out and defend yourselves or do you sit in the corner and cry "oh woe is me" or alternatively strive to undermine those who are prepared to defend their rights. Enough from me. I get so frustrated sometimes it makes me wonder why I continue. I am nearly 82 and could easily take it quietly and then I think that if I and others stop, what future will our children, grand children and their children have. Our rogue governments and their commercial lords are destroying the planet for short term gains.......................
    MICK
    16th Oct 2014
    8:58am
    The public is always lied to and conned...until such time as it is convenient to tell them. The last election campaign was a propaganda campaign run by Rupert Murdoch with the other media barons falling in behind him. Disgraceful, with average Australians none the wiser that they were done over. It is sad.
    You may not agree but the general public are more like cattle being farmed by the rich, their business interests and the political party they literally own and fund. When you start from that perspective and look at the conduct (or should I say misconduct) for these folk to get their way then the game is never the same again.
    Sadly most people are where I was 20 years ago believing that politics is a fair contest where the will of the people prevails. For what it is worth I agree with your outlook but theory and practice rarely meet in politics.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    9:29am
    Politics is a contest of ideas ...Unfortunately it is now in Australia mainly an economic debate and managerial .
    A debate which is either for big Govt ...Labor or for Smaller govt and more personal responsibilty ...liberal ..
    I do not agree with you on the media as every survey shows that the majority of journalist are left wing ...
    MICK
    16th Oct 2014
    9:36pm
    Are you serious Pete? I watched in disbelief for over 2 years before Abbott and his cronies won the last election. Every night it was a hate campaign and fault finding mission against Labor. And then we had the Alan Jones tag team event with the "she lied", "ditch the witch" and "chaff" analogies. So where has this PM been hounded for the MANY deliberate lies he told before the election and then abandoned immediately after? And then there was the disgraceful Lee Sales interview on the 7:30 Report. Sales hounded Peter Slipper for many weeks but when Abbott was interviewed about his similar fraud she asked one question. When Abbott responded "now come on Lee" that was the end of it.
    Methinks Pete that you are a one eyed Liberal supporter.
    Come on mate. Your statement about journalists being left wing is so wrong that I am surprised that you would make it.
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    9:59pm
    I don't think Peter frauded enough ? I think You have to do it Big Time to get away with it ?
    miss aisle
    17th Oct 2014
    10:00am
    Yes, like Craig Thompson !
    miss aisle
    17th Oct 2014
    10:01am
    Yes, like Craig Thompson !
    wally
    17th Oct 2014
    10:20am
    Tony Abbott and his cronies may have been "unkind" to the Labor government, but that is the way opposition parties operate here in the Lucky Country. I think that if you watched with disbelief the political scene for 2 years, I think most of the electorate did the same. Only their focus was on the mismanagement of Australia as the smoke and mirror tricks of the Labor Government dissipated and the mirrors shattered, revealing the sordid and sorry mess Labor had left the country in.
    As far as Lee Sale's dropping her line of questioning of Tony Abbott, I think she was clever enough to realize that her fishing expedition into Abbott's background there was going nowhere and would reveal nothing. ( Unlike the convicted rorter and misogynist and Julia Gillard's pet Speaker.) So mick, cop that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Adrianus
    17th Oct 2014
    10:48am
    I would guess probably 90% or more of Journalists are left wing by the time they start work. If you need evidence then think about the reasons why someone would go into that career. To make a difference, stand up for the little guy, stop the big bully etc. Most I suggest stay to the left but a small minority, say 30% ? change after time. That's just my opinion, I have no facts to support that.
    Emps
    16th Oct 2014
    10:17am
    Quote: Nasri43n...

    Emps: Your reading of history needs revisiting. Israel had already plans in place for that attack. They did it in 1956 but were repulsed. Israel is built on expansion and occupation. Its DNA is terror and ethnic cleansing. Its policies is to expel all Palestinians and steal their homes. Palestinians treated as no human at all. Its a real apartheid state, and therefore should be boycotted and isolated. Between the lines you say that if you have enough military force its OK to invade other peoples' land and keep it. How is this different to Nazi practice in the 1940s? End Qote.
    reply..Nasri, unfortunately you have got it wrong. Israel did not attack in 1967, Israel WAS attacked and won Gaza from Egypt (who attacked Israel), the Golan heights from Syria (who attacked Israel), and the West bank from Jordan (who attacked Israel).

    Israel treat peaceful palestinians with respect,there are millions of them living and working in Israel.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    10:28am
    And in the Knesset(Paliment)
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    10:29am
    And in the Armed forces ...
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    10:32am
    My own opinion is that the real solution is not a two state solution but one State .But Israel would have to give up calling itself a Jewish State...
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    4:02pm
    Israel may consider not calling itself a Jewish state, when all the countries sorrounding it who want it destroyed, to stop calling themselves Islamic countries
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    4:50pm
    Shouldn't Israel as a democracy lead by example....
    unicorn
    16th Oct 2014
    11:04am
    Yhe subect is Putin Vs Abbott not Israel & Islam etc.,
    Emps
    16th Oct 2014
    11:54am
    Sounds like a strict reprimand from a grumpy headmaster
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    12:02pm
    Thought we had done with Putin and Abbott when it was decided Abbott would not fight an elderly gentleman ...
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    5:15pm
    Putin supports the murdering HAMAS and Assad

    Abbot supports USA and Israel

    Putin is a socialist worm who wants to rule the world
    Abbot is for freedom and capitalism
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    5:52pm
    And the Leprechauns danced with the Fairies at the Bottom of the Garden !!
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    5:55pm
    didnt know leprechauns were gay
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    6:07pm
    Surprized Me too ??
    wally
    19th Oct 2014
    2:12pm
    In the "Clash of the Head-kickers" who will win? Will in be "Big Ears" or "Snake Eyes"?
    particolor
    19th Oct 2014
    3:07pm
    As Noddy and all the Inhabitants of Toyland look on with their Mouths full of Caviar and glasses of Champers in hand ??.... Er What ??
    Kato
    12th Nov 2014
    1:01am
    And ceegars
    professori_au
    16th Oct 2014
    12:38pm
    Pete. While Putin is no my favourite I suspect the excuse Abbott would not hit an elderly person would be just that.
    I also suspect that if it came to a stoush I doubt Putin would come off second best.
    My sorrow is that our so-called leaders spend so much time pandering to the world stage and spending little time working for Australia and the benefit of Australians. It appears that they consider Australians mentally as football, and sleaze quality TV shows. That we are not capapble of understanding anything else:(
    professori_au
    16th Oct 2014
    12:45pm
    To support my contention I live in Geelong, one of our largest country citizens, yet I can only receive 3 or 4 TV stations, most of which have football or other sports or programmes like the bachelor, Australia's got.... etc. News, science and technology or similar programmes I have to turn on my computer to see anything worthwhile, and I cannot guarantee to make an easy connection. There seems to be many black spots and what I would call moving black spots here, where you can get a good single, but turn off and you will find it difficult to get back on the net. what the problem is I do not know but it will come good after a while. Such is the quality of our privatized telecommunications system
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    4:29pm
    Dont you have Foxtel
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    4:58pm
    Free Plug !!
    professori_au
    16th Oct 2014
    4:35pm
    Pete.
    No I have not got foxtel or any other cable service. I pay enough for the little I receive
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    4:47pm
    Well you are only paying for one aren't you the ABC...
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    4:48pm
    Lucky for you that our telecommunications are privatised or you would only get State TV ...
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    5:10pm
    Professori - our Universities are filled with communists and socialists.
    Are/were you one of them ???

    Pete - we have 2 - ABC and SBS - sucking millions of hard earned taxpayer money to spread left wing propoganda
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    5:29pm
    Are not ..They are there Fully informing People of the Goings On in their Home Countries !! SBS.. Wash Your Mouth out !
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    10:31pm
    SBS socialist broadcasting system .
    toot2000
    16th Oct 2014
    6:09pm
    The west was quick to side with Kiev who say Russian-backed separatists shot down the jet with a surface-to-air missile supplied by Moscow. Not true, say the Russians, they believe the investigation into the tragedy "is not active and effective enough" and important data from Ukrainian air traffic control is being withheld from investigators.

    So someone's telling porkies?
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    6:42pm
    No brainer

    The Russians - Putin is a mongrel. If not for NATO, he's have had his troops march in and take over
    particolor
    16th Oct 2014
    7:03pm
    I'm Offended !!.. So someone's telling untruths ?
    professori_au
    16th Oct 2014
    9:29pm
    Solomon :). Sorry to disappoint you, I am apolitical Have little faith in any of the political parties, My impression they are not working for the good of Australia but pandering to their self interest or rather the self inter of the power factions. I am my own man. I believe in a fair deal, justice and as an advocate am prepared to do what I can for those unable to help themselves. I am perhaps old fashioned believing that I should respect others and their opinion even when I do not necessarily believe them. People are entitled to express their own view. By allowing other opinions to be put forward, then even when the view may not fit the issue it may have a component that will encourage the development of a better outcome. That is the way forward. It may make me strange in today's world but then I have faced adversity, yet can claim to have had a good life because I learnt from that adversity. I have learnt so much from people who have been underestimated because they may have lacked an education due to circumstances beyond their control but when you listen you find they are highly intelligent. Sorry for the lecture:) but I have an aversion to having people put into a classification without knowing them. Cheers:)
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2014
    10:53pm
    Gee I would have written the exact words...
    Anonymous
    17th Oct 2014
    1:55am
    Good to hear. Just asked the question co as I said the Universities are filled with socialist peddling their wares to young impressionable minds.
    Did I classify you?
    No of course not. Otherwise why would I ask you the question.
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    9:04am
    I hope the Reversing Lights and Beeper are Working ?
    geomac
    17th Oct 2014
    12:32am
    professori_au
    My contract with Foxtel finishes in March and I will be asking them to take their Q box back before then. Footy is good but the rest is the usual crap. Apparently need to contact them early because they hate losing a customer and obstruct. Even with their reduced rates they have promised not worth the dosh. Had to give it a try to see if of value and not any value at half the price.
    Emps
    17th Oct 2014
    9:09am
    I could not imagine TV anymore without foxtel. Whats the alternative? Crap Australian tabloid current affair shows? Incessant news ie; news at 4..news at 5..news at 6..news at 7. If not actual news, then programs about news. Movies that start at 7:30 and finish at 11pm, because of all the adds. Same old hack faces day after day.
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    9:45am
    Don't do that !! My News Corp & Telstra Shares will fall !!
    wally
    17th Oct 2014
    10:05am
    I wish I had enough money to blow on Foxtel. Instead I use the digital free to air tv provided by the free to air channels. A lot of the Foxtel programs wind up on these channels sooner or later anyway. I just wish they's hurry up with Boardwalk Empire, though. But then being a pensioner means I/we have plenty of time to wait.
    wally
    17th Oct 2014
    10:06am
    I wish I had enough money to blow on Foxtel. Instead I use the digital free to air tv provided by the free to air channels. A lot of the Foxtel programs wind up on these channels sooner or later anyway. I just wish they's hurry up with Boardwalk Empire, though. But then being a pensioner means I/we have plenty of time to wait.
    wally
    17th Oct 2014
    10:06am
    I wish I had enough money to blow on Foxtel. Instead I use the digital free to air tv provided by the free to air channels. A lot of the Foxtel programs wind up on these channels sooner or later anyway. I just wish they's hurry up with Boardwalk Empire, though. But then being a pensioner means I/we have plenty of time to wait.
    wally
    17th Oct 2014
    10:07am
    I wish I had enough money to blow on Foxtel. Instead I use the digital free to air tv provided by the free to air channels. A lot of the Foxtel programs wind up on these channels sooner or later anyway. I just wish they's hurry up with Boardwalk Empire, though. But then being a pensioner means I/we have plenty of time to wait.
    wally
    17th Oct 2014
    10:23am
    Damn. The Parkinson's has kicked in again!
    Adrianus
    17th Oct 2014
    10:34am
    wally if you wish for something often enough and it doesn't work, try clicking your heels.
    professori_au
    17th Oct 2014
    10:41am
    Geomac. Sounds a bit like Telstra. A friend's sister passed away and executor he was responsible to handle the estate. He asked Telstra to send him an itemised account as they had been billing her for services for nearly 12 months while she was in hospital. When he received it and verifies the details the bill would be paid and he wanted the account paid. Telstra has refused to cancel the account and instead wanted to transfer it into his name and requested he provide them with his medial history, date of birth, etc. He is a person short on words but strong in adjectives so he told them what they could do:) He told them they had no authority to have his person details as he would never deal with them.
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    11:10am
    Telstra Knows a lot of My Strong Adjectives Too !!
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    11:15am
    Telstra is down to Snail Pace today by the looks ? I'm expecting a lot of Double Banger Posts From You Clients .. Have patience !!
    wally
    17th Oct 2014
    5:42pm
    Guess Wot, Frank. That doesn't work either.
    wally
    17th Oct 2014
    6:10pm
    Clicking your heels twice only works if you wear red shoes and it gets you a one way trip to Kansas.
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    8:40pm
    And a TOYOTA !! OH What a Feeling !!

    17th Oct 2014
    3:19pm
    Russia doesn’t have asylum-seekers in detention because they are fleeing from the country, not to it. Carl Schreck, Radio Free Europe, Wednesday:

    US asylum applications from Russian nationals have jumped 15 per cent for the second straight year, a rise that asylum-seekers and attorneys attribute to Russians fleeing their homeland due to fears of persecution and anti-gay violence ... While anti-gay sentiment and legislation in Russia has been a key driver in the rise of Russian asylum-seekers in the United States, Russians are also leaving the country due to fears of political persecution ...

    A few other problems with Russia? Amnesty International Russia Report, last year:

    NEW laws restricting the rights to freedom of expression, assembly and association were introduced. Human rights defenders, journalists and lawyers continued to face harassment, while investigations into violent attacks were ineffective. Torture and other ill-treatment remained widespread and were seldom effectively prosecuted. Trials did not meet international standards of fairness ... security operations launched in (North Caucasus) were marred by systematic human rights violations with near-total impunity for the perpetrators.
    Jen
    17th Oct 2014
    3:35pm
    Sounds like Campbell Newman's Queensland.
    miss aisle
    17th Oct 2014
    5:14pm
    With many Russian people suffering, we can be very grateful that we are
    governed with more choices/freedoms/legal rights here.
    Overall, we are lucky.
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    5:35pm
    Can Carl Schreck Radio Free Europe do a Radio show here soon ?

    17th Oct 2014
    5:00pm
    The Danish minister for agriculture announced that the country is to ban bestiality. Some countries have legalised bestiality through the repeal of sodomy laws. The current situation:
    Legal Brazil, Denmark, Finland, Hungary, Mexico, Romania, Thailand and 11 US states including Texas and Ohio.
    Subject to fines Germany (max. €30,000)
    Subject to imprisonment Most other countries, varying from a year in the Netherlands, two years in France and the UK, to life imprisonment in Ireland.
    Subject to death penalty Iran, but only on conviction for fourth offence.
    particolor
    17th Oct 2014
    5:28pm
    Is there something about the G20 Conference we should know about ??
    Anonymous
    17th Oct 2014
    10:52pm
    Maybe but don't bugger a sheep more than three times in Iran pass it on to all Kiwis...
    particolor
    19th Oct 2014
    1:56pm
    Are You Stoned ?
    wally
    19th Oct 2014
    2:09pm
    If you were in Iran you might find a crowd getting their rocks off in your direction.
    particolor
    19th Oct 2014
    2:55pm
    Let Him without Sin
    Cast the First Stone !!
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2014
    10:46pm
    You are all individuals , one lonely voice in the crowd said " I'm not"
    professori_au
    18th Oct 2014
    6:39pm
    Particolor.
    I suspect Dr Phil would throw his hands in the air exclaiming he is not god and cannot create miracles that might change a bully, fool or whatever into an angel:)
    particolor
    18th Oct 2014
    6:47pm
    He will have to stop Poking Sticks into Wasps Nests Soon !!
    notelle
    20th Oct 2014
    9:49am
    "The mouse that roared" but unlike the movie..... this is NO comedy.
    particolor
    20th Oct 2014
    10:08am
    Carry On Canberra ...Is.
    particolor
    20th Oct 2014
    10:16am
    You will be pleased to know You will now be Allowed to wear Your Beret into Parliament !!
    Adrianus
    20th Oct 2014
    10:30am
    Australia is a strange place indeed.
    We will fight against injustice.
    We will fight for our rights.
    We will fight for our freedom.
    Hell, we will even fight for the little guy just to be heard.
    We choose a leader amongst us who stands up for those beliefs we hold dearly, and then tell him to keep his big mouth shut he represents us little people.
    particolor
    20th Oct 2014
    10:53am
    Thank God for that !! I've seen the Error of My ways and have decided to see things Liberally from now on !! ..
    I should be on their Ticket by the next Election ! I'm a Great Liar ...
    Anonymous
    20th Oct 2014
    7:29pm
    Well said Frank the country needs another Menzies . A man for the forgotten people . Not big Business not big labour . But the individual who wants to stand on his own two feet...
    Kato
    11th Nov 2014
    11:36am
    What an embarrassment Abbott is to Australia and the rest of the world, he could not fight his way out of a paper bag.

    He begged for the job as PM, and he made the point, strongly to all in sundry who were
    in that negotiating period, that he would do anything to get that job. Anything to get that job.

    You would well remember, and your colleagues should be well aware, that the only codicil you put on was, I will do anything to get this job as Prime Minister of Australia.

    “The only thing I (Rabbott) won’t do is sell my arse.” To believe that is saying the sky will fall in tomorrow
    Not Senile Yet!
    20th Oct 2014
    2:04pm
    I love reading the idiotic comments on this site....it's got the lot!!!
    Some are over-educated, and think they know it all...whilst others are blatantly biased and proud to show how much....yet most can still agree to disagree whilst remaining civil!
    What a shame we do not understand the structure of our Politics in Australia!¬!!!!
    The Party System has contaminated the Politics of Australia just as it has in the USA. More importantly most of simply do not understand that the People you elect...including Tony Abbott...are nothing more than Puppets controlled by the back room BOYS of the PARTY!!! Yes...just PUPPETS....no brains and all actions controlled by others!!!
    Why no Brain??? Not required!!!
    Why do you all still vote for the Party Machines and their Puppets????
    For the Same reason Abbott got his job.....Lack of Political Savvy to work out that the Political Parties are not interested in what the people want!!! They only want the Power to get what they want!!!
    GROW UP! STOP VOTING FOR THEM!
    The original structure was intended to provide representatives form every community in every state to DEBATE what was best for the COUNTRY....not what was best for the PARTY!!!!
    GET A BRAIN that functions and STOP listening to their CRAP!!!
    I do not see us moving towards becoming a SMART Country when all the Voters fall for such CHEAP BIASED propaganda from the Political Parties. The Party Politics System has wrecked the USA and brought it to it's knees! DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO US!
    Vote all the Parties out of OUR Parliament and Allow genuine debate over issues and MP's to vote for their Electorates...not as they do now.....just how the Party tells them to!!!!!
    Adrianus
    20th Oct 2014
    2:38pm
    Finally, some common sense from some one who hasn't gone senile yet. Sometimes this is a shambles here.
    particolor
    20th Oct 2014
    3:04pm
    Yep !! And I've come to My senses too !! Long ago for that Matter !! I saw the Country on the Slippery Dip long back !! And don't vote for any of the Puppets !! The Odd Independent if I see Their worth ! Which was so, up until lately ?? .. Now with all the Perks Its Line the Pocket and get out fast !!..The Puppeteers are Happy at Last !!
    Anonymous
    20th Oct 2014
    11:16pm
    How sad what a waisted vote ..you could have made a difference..I vote for those nearest to my view ..
    wally
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:42pm
    It is like the Ancient Roman standard SPQR abbreviation which translated into English means the "Senate and People of Rome" which even in those days put the Senators first and the people last. Substitute the word "Party" for Senate and you can see that not much has changed. Listen to some of our parliamentarians addressing parliament and you might notice that a lot of the time the word party is spoken first. Australia gets a democracy on election day and that is about all we get in choosig who is going to trample over us for the next parliamentary term.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:47pm
    Friends Romans and Country Men !! Lend Me Your Ears !!..
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:59pm
    Cut that out Julius !! You pulled that one 3 Years back !!
    wally
    23rd Oct 2014
    11:04pm
    All the political bosses.(or puppeteers as someone called them), want from their parliamentary "puppets" is the ability to wield a rubber stamp and follow the voting instructions they are given. This is more true as regards the Labor Party than Liberal, but the sizeable number of independents who defected form the Liberal and National Parties (ie Tony Windsor, and Bob Katter for two examples) would suggest that those who dissent from what the "Head Honchos" of the party dictate does not always go down well with the parliamentarian that just might have a mind and conscience of his/her own. Clive Palmer and his "gang"? Who knows. At least they make the Senate "deliberations" interesting.
    wally
    23rd Oct 2014
    11:08pm
    Actually parti, Shakespeare had Marc Antony do the "Friends, Romans " etc shtick as the eulogy at Julius's funeral to rile up the Romans against Brutus and Co.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    11:28pm
    Popeye didn't like Brutusk either !!
    Kato
    11th Nov 2014
    11:34am
    Whilst many of the mainstream media chuckleheads applaud the obvious antics of a braggart and bully, who boorishly represents our nation on the global stage in his guise as the elected PM, the truth is that he is in fact a crass coward who believes that winning the approval of the radio hate jocks is more important than civilised diplomacy which pays greater dividends. We observe footage of him standing behind Putin at the APEC group photo and looking away as he desperately moves about to find someone else to talk to. But the others seem to ignore him.

    Our media, by and large, have been chronically fact-impaired ever since they started following the politically active and deceitful Murdoch stable lead in promoting this boor and his infantile and yet fallacious slogans to rid us of a fairly competent Gillard Minority Government. Australia will pay a heavy price for electing Abbott's LNP both economically and in maintaining a level of international respect as a mature nation. Just wait and see
    Jen
    11th Nov 2014
    1:51pm
    Totally agree.


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