$1 billion detention centre bill

Detention centres have cost Australian taxpayers in excess of $1 billion.

$1 billion detention centre bill

Detaining asylum seekers in Papua New Guinea (PNG) and Nauru has cost Australian taxpayers around $1.22 billion in the last financial year.

According to information given during a Senate Estimates hearing on Monday, the Federal Government spent $632.3 million on the Manus Island (PNG) detention centre, and $582.4 million to maintain operations in Nauru.

The funds were used to cover the costs of staff and paying both PNG and Nauru to support the centres, as well as transporting detainees to and from the processing centres, and providing them with health services.

Deputy Secretary of Immigration, Mark Cormack defended the costs, saying that "Stopping boats is saving lives and saving billions of dollars." He claimed that the cost of detention centres has, in fact, dropped over the last calendar year.

The estimates hearing found that whereas 20,711 asylum seekers arrived in Australia in the previous year, this calendar year has seen only 164 arrivals. This equates to a saving of $2.5 billion, and is part of a scheme by the federal government, which aims to reduce the number of onshore detention centres from 25 to 15.

Read more on TheAge.com.au

Opinion: The real cost

Thousands of people seeking asylum from the oppression or unrest in their own countries arrive on Australia’s shores, only to be remanded in detention centres for interminable amounts of time.

We know from the limited but ominous news reports that are leaked to us, that people are suffering inside our detention centres. They suffer from unsafe, unclean living conditions, which make them unwell. They suffer from minor medical conditions, such as mosquito bites, which when left untreated, become infected.  They suffer from emotional and mental illnesses from being locked up. And we know they suffer shockingly at the hands of those who are hired to care for them, from direct and indirect actions.

Let’s not forget the Iranian asylum seeker, Hamid Kehazaei, who died in September from septicaemia after cutting his foot on Manus Island. This 24 year old man would still be alive if he’d been given the necessary basic and early medical treatment.  And though other similar reports have been exposed, we can really only guess how many asylum seekers are experiencing similar, devastating predicaments as Hamid. The mental, physical and emotional effects of these experiences must surely worsen the longer a person is incarcerated.

The federal government is so worried about money, about locking people up, and pushing refuge-seeking boats away from our shores with the tip of its boot, that it fails to remember that there are human lives aboard. 

I don’t know if $1.22 billion is enough, or too much to spend on those you’ve forced into captivity. But surely these asylum seekers deserve more than simply representing a $1.22 billion dollar burden to Australian taxpayers.

What do you think? Do you believe that we are helping asylum seekers by denying them entry to Australia? Is it right for Australia to detain people for an interminable amount of time while we work out what to do with them? Should taxpayers’ money be used to help detain asylum seekers?





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    Kali-G
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:12am
    We must draw the line somewhere.
    A small country like Australia (only 24 million people) cannot afford this.
    Return the mainly Muslims to where they come from.
    Hockey want us to pay $7.00 to visit a doctor, yet they waste our money like water.
    STOP THE BOATS.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    11:24am
    Why ? We've had it too good for too long ! Its time to share !
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    11:31am
    24 Million Ay ?..Well its only costing each of us about 50 Bucks each a Year ! Don't be Mean !!
    Blossom
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:07pm
    We have a shortage of water. We don't even have enough to sustain food crops in some regions. How can we support more than are born here as supplies diminish?
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:22pm
    They said they would only Shower once a Year if You let them In !!
    Blossom
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:27pm
    Particolor, I don't believe they would only shower once a year. Who are you trying to kid?? 24 million - not all of them are taxpayers. Can pensioners afford to have their pensions reduced to contribute to pay $50.00?I don't think so! ! Also some of the 24 million are young children.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:33pm
    Yes I counted them ! They can get it out of their Piggy Banks !! Opps !! Sorry!!! Some of them wouldn't be allowed to have one of those Items in the House !!
    Hasbeen
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:49pm
    Wake up people, with 80% of these illegal gate crashing boat people still unemployed after 5 years here, it is not a few million, but 10s of billions they are adding to our welfare bill.

    They are taking a huge percentage of the public housing from Ozzies, who have much more right to it than these free loaders. How many homeless are you prepared to accept to house this wave of the useless.

    Surely it should open your eyes, when once they have residency, they go back to that place they fled in fear of their lives, to get a wife.

    Some people are so stupid they are bound to be suckers for their entire lives.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:55pm
    Come Back to Strailya With Me ? Everything FREE !!!
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:29pm
    Do you think Kevin Rudd had the right idea? Charge them $50,000 each, which includes papers, free English lessons, a full years subscription to the ALP and fast tracked registration on the electoral roll.
    buby
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:58pm
    Don't mention that fool here he was a real bully that one.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:06pm
    I think a better Idea was someone's suggestion of Dock all Payment from Centrelink and Work (If they know that word) until they have paid back every Cent they have Cost the Australian Public since their Bon Voyage !!..
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:01pm
    Let them in . we save 1.2 billion' Joe may rethink the co payment.
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:42pm
    Kevin Rudd and Gough Whitlam had that in common. Both were hated by the rest of their party.
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:15pm
    Yeah but I don't think it upset them.
    biddi
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:27pm
    Yes, stop the boats. Agree with Hasbeen and Particolor.
    MICK
    22nd Oct 2014
    8:17pm
    Here goes Frank again. Trolling for this government. Selling his soul for the very few fistful of dollars he is paid to defame the other side of politics.
    Whilst I do not vote for either side of politics I do note that there is only one side which is contemptuous and makes corruption an artform.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    8:36pm
    I think the Navy should turn them back for Unseaworthiness and Overloading !!
    Gra
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:11pm
    As soon as they hit our shores throw them on a plane and send them right back to Indonesia. That's where they are coming from. Stand up to Indonesia and tell them no more foreign aid if they don't do their bit to stop the boats leaving there.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:14pm
    Green Tick Gra ...
    nightie
    28th Oct 2014
    3:20am
    Interesting how many asylum seekers/refugees return to their homeland for holidays..........if they are truly experiencing the risk of persecution in their homeland how come they return to it? I think that if they are returning to their homeland for a holiday they should pay their bill for food and shelter and medical bills from the detention centres, and how many are there who are going to sue the government with the help of the bleeding hearts for mental illness "resulting from" being in detention? Are other countries where the facilities are not the standard we have being sued for "mental illness"?
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2014
    7:48am
    Interestingly after 5 years in Australia, Rudd's low skilled non English speaking boat people remain unemployed and on welfare. After 5 years only 10% are employed and 95% are on welfare. They still have plenty of money for a few trips back home. The numbers of those returning and suspected of being jihadists are growing.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2014
    9:55am
    You cant put a Price on an Educational Training Coarse in Iran Frank !!
    particolor
    29th Oct 2014
    7:08pm
    After watching Tonight's News 29.10.2014. I'm not Offended ! I'm DISGUSTED !!.
    Who let them Animals into this Country ????
    Redhead
    22nd Oct 2014
    11:00am
    We cannot let just anyone come in just because they fancy Australia. I, as a migrant back in 1960 had to do a lot of things to be allowed to come here to this wonderful country, we in fact were invited, these people are not like "us" and are usually of a different religion which normally would not bother me at all,l however these asylum seekers seek to change the fabric of our society. Why don't they stay in their own countries and try to make them better.
    Daffoir
    22nd Oct 2014
    11:07am
    I would hazard a guess Redhead that they are not asylum seekers. A bit like field of dreams: create a welfare system that is soooo good and "Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come."
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    11:13am
    Let them all in We can afford it !!
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:33pm
    Redhead, they have already improved their countries as much as they possibly can and now it's time for a new challenge.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:42pm
    Yep !! Australia needs Rearranging now !!
    Abby
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:12pm
    Frank
    Perhaps one of the reasons that they are coming is they see we have money to spare to give them Foreign aid.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    6:58am
    Abby, My old dad used to say a fool and his money are soon parted. I have been a fool many times in that case. And yes, if you splash it around like a drunken sailor it will surely attract attention.
    Daffoir
    22nd Oct 2014
    11:01am
    All based on the presumption that anyone knocking on the door is a refugee. So I assume the author thinks all those phone calls from Microsoft help are legit too.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    11:18am
    Knock! Knock !!
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:39pm
    Who's there?
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:54pm
    Bally.
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:01pm
    Hi.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:13pm
    Why don't they Move the Detention Centres to Macquarie Island ?? Would cost us anything and The Penguins wouldn't Mind the Company !!..
    Abby
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:13pm
    They do not speak the Penguin language :)
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:30am
    You could have fooled Me !!!
    Kato
    23rd Oct 2014
    9:33am
    Combining with Murdouks massive media influence these have monstered the leadership, and hollowed our democratic capacity in this country. Convicts again, poor sods the lots of us.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    9:56am
    Keep that up and You will be sent to Pitcairn Island !!
    tj
    22nd Oct 2014
    11:23am
    Amelia have you allowed how much the lawyers representing the ECONOMICAL ALIENS are going to bill all of us taxpayers in their court action against myself and all my fellow australians Also would it be possible to find the costing to US when Andrew Wikie pursues Abbot ,Morrison plus others in the International Criminal Court.When will the penny finally drop and the minority of people realize that we voted for the Liberal party to Stop the boats. Common sense will tell you this plan of border protection in the long run will be cheaper AND ABOVE ALL PEOPLE ARE NOT DROWNING IN THEIR HUNDREDS
    Tezza
    22nd Oct 2014
    11:36am
    Amelia, ask your grandfather/grandmother or great grandparents, who would have contributed immensely to the growth of Australia, what they think about the conditions under which illegal arrivals are kept. Your great grandparents most likely would have endured harsher conditions even though they were invited to this country. They possibly arrived under the not so politically correct (now) White Australia Policy. The conditions under which illegal arrivals are kept would be better than those which they left behind if they are true refugees. If they are economic 'refugees', hopefully they will be processed asap and sent back to where they came from.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    11:42am
    But they don't want to go back ! Its against their Will !! They will appeal with one of the Fancy Lawyers Provided ! Time and Time again if need be ??
    Blossom
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:18pm
    Who is paying for the lawyers? We the taxpayers? Our taxes are supposed to be supplying various essential services to the Australian citizens, whether the be born here or those who migrated to Australia legally. Most illegal immigrants are paying thousands of dollars to come to Australia? A lot disposed of their documents. That delays the process of being processed and being allowed to live as they wish.
    Anonymous
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:34pm
    I've cited elsewhere and repeatedly that my great-greats came here to escape poverty, injustice, discrimination, and violence, as well as the never-ending European wars. They were German Jews, Irish, Scottish ....... a fair representation.

    If they'd been treated the same way as current applicants are, there would be several fewer successful businesses in this country....
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:01pm
    My Great Greats were Gypsies They got Booted out of Rumania for Stealing Chooks !!
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:42pm
    Ah SAY there Boy.
    Paddles
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:22pm
    Grappler

    It is not clear from your comment whether or not great-greats had, and produced, a passport/visa to gain entry or otherwise came into this country under an officially recognised programme.

    If they did, then you need to rethink your opinion.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:36am
    They all arrived in an Old Army Duck !!
    Gra
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:14pm
    I have been told by a chap who came out here as a 10 pound Pom back in the 60's and conditions he and his family lived in on arriving in Adelaide until they got settled weren't much different to what these illegals are living in now. If anything, what he and his family lived in were worse - they weren't provided with TV's, personal computers, mobile phones etc.
    Gra
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:16pm
    Not until they are granted refugee status Particolor, then they want to go back and visit family in that place that is so terrible and treated them so harshly they had to leave. Makes a mockery of the whole setup.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:27pm
    Yes I've noticed !! And when the Place they are visiting Explodes into violence Again they DEMAND to be rescued and flown back to Australia ?? Who Runs the Show Here ?? Its Got Me Stuffed ??
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:36pm
    What's that in Arabic written up there ??.. A warning to Infidels ?? or something !!
    Stoker
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:01pm
    So Amelia, are you deriding the present Govt. that was 'saddled' with a huge number of illegals and is/has done an enormous lot of work to rectify the situation. As for the condition of their quarters on Manus, what are they the illegals doing to keep their area clean or are they just hellbent on destruction of where they live, wash up, sweep out, use and clean the toilets (they do know what a toilet is I hope). They do have basic medical services, but when someone abuses the first need of cleanliness then anything can happen.
    Perhaps the personal contact of/by those tasked to care for them, could be abusive in response to the spitting and pissing at/on the locals, its a two way street in respect, responsibility and discipline.
    Anonymous
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:37pm
    The current government, in its previous existence, contributed to the issue.. this is not a Party issue, much as many would like it to be - both have made serious errors. The question is - is the current error the best way to go?

    Spitting and pissing at locals means the locals can enter the camp and bash them?
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:43pm
    They do it here too! What's the dif ?? My friend got 2 Fingers the other day for telling one of them we don't spit in the Street Here !!
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:40pm
    Stoker, you are correct. An article in the Fairfax media published corruption in our Immigration Dept. as well as approximately 200,000 illegal immigrants and 55,000 came on leaky boats.
    Abby
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:18pm
    Sorry for the people on Manus Island having spent a number of years there.
    The Island was like Paradise on earth and now it looks like a huge garbage tip.
    It is sad.
    particolor
    24th Oct 2014
    8:49pm
    I'll have the Mango Island Council clean it up Immediately !!
    mogo51
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:12pm
    I do not believe that we are unfair towards legitimate immigration. But these people are illegal immigrants and deserve no right, nor legal representation - all of which cost the Australian tax payer a lot of money.
    The bleeding hearts continue to play the sympathy card but I feel for the people who are going through the proper process coming to Australia who are being pushed back further in the queue by these illegals. I would not even be putting them in detention, but rather fueling their boats and providing food for their immediate turn around trip back to where they came.
    LENYJAC
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:24pm
    HERE HERE, mogo51
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:37pm
    NO !! There ! There !! You read it Wrong ?
    Anonymous
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:37pm
    They are not 'illegal immigrants' - they are asylum seekers....
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:49pm
    Yer not Kidding !!
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:42pm
    mogo51, we want our government to be in control of immigration not to hand responsibility to the people smugglers like Captain Emad.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:40am
    They read the Desert Errata ... We have a right to be here !!....
    Pass the Ductape
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:15pm
    Desert Errata? C'mon particolor - about time you added A little more water.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:22pm
    O ! You haven't read it either !!
    Pass the Ductape
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:26pm
    Not that version!
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    3:02pm
    No ! It sais... "You have a Right to be here !"
    Carol
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:18pm
    Charity begins at home, if you want to keep them and contribute to their stay, please do so. Our forefathers faught and died for this country, let them do the same in their own countries.
    nas43n
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:51pm
    Your forefathers did not fight for this country. They try to exterminate the indigenous people of this country. They fought like slaves for the British colonial power. Now for the US.
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:11pm
    Talking about fighting for your country. If you learn something about fighting over 1500 years it's this. People will only fight if they know they're going to win. That's another reason for coalition forces to lend a hand. Not long after the announcement that Dash was being degraded and hundreds killed, Turkey announced it will now enter the war. Of course some Dash fighters will change out of their uniform and jump on a leaky boat to somewhere.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:19pm
    Who are the Dash and why are they Dashing ??
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:23pm
    Dash is the new name for IS, ISIL ....try to keep up parti!
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:11pm
    And what will they call themselves next week ??? NWO ? That's a Uniform ? They look like they just climbed out of a Skip !!
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:05pm
    Dash and Dashing by joves that sounds like Joe and Matt.
    Abby
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:22pm
    Frank
    You hit the nail on the head "Of course some Dash fighters will change out of their uniform and jump on a leaky boat to somewhere"

    Yes they will be seeking assylum possibly in Australia
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    7:23am
    Abby, my feeling is that the Da'ish are the ones with the money. They are getting it from the sale of vegemite, donations from the Zakat, oil sales, bank robbery, extortion etc.
    It says in the Hadith they are entitled to financial assistance from the Zakat. So if they don't have the cash for the ticket back home.......
    "• IBN-US-SABEEL: persons who are travellers and during the course of their journey do not possess basic necessities, though they are well to do at home. They could be given Zakat in order to fulfill travel needs to return home."
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:43am
    Donations over $2 will be Tax Deductable !!
    MICK
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:19pm
    The perennial issue. And the real costs are not available lest the public revolt.
    We will always have the two camps. On one side there is the Sarah Hanson Young (complete with morose face for the cameras) crowd who want to build a bridge so that these folk can come as they please. On the other side there are those who realise that there is a cost to all of us and that if we do not act sensibly then we will become the new third world.
    Its not easy but what do you do?
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:05pm
    It depends on which electorate you're in doesn't it mick?
    MICK
    22nd Oct 2014
    8:21pm
    I don't live in Manly Frank. That is the place I might expect a Liberal Party troll to reside in. Having read your anti Labor spew above I can only believe that you must be good friends with Christopher Pyne and Jeff Kennett as both behave like you mate.
    Blossom
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:20pm
    Please bear in mind that they have to undergo health checks and have treatment prior to being released too.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:29pm
    What a Good Idea !!
    Aussiefrog
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:22pm
    Dear Amelia I understand your reasoning, but can we accept all the misery in the world and become in the need ourselves? How many asylum seekers are living in your home? That would be a good place to start! Practice what you're preaching.
    Brissiegirl
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:40pm
    They are mostly not asylum seekers, they are country shoppers. Australia is not their first country of asylum as set out in the UN convention. Why don't the muslims/Arabs "seek asylum" with their oil-rich neighbours? No, they travel through several cultural and religiously compatible countries to Centrelink Australia. Then they want to changer us, they want us to accommodate their beliefs and customs despite them being incompatible with our own. We are fed up with it. This is a small country with water shortages and a small taxation base. Only 55% of Australians pay tax. We have too many leaners and personally I don't want one more of them.
    nas43n
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:54pm
    This is very naïve and short sighted thinking.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:06pm
    Should have gone to Speck Savers !!
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:48pm
    Yes Brissiegirl, and further they are not allowed to wear the Burqa in their own Parliament in Turkey so why do they need desperately to wear it in our Australian Parliament?
    EELS
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:57pm
    On the contrary nas43n, Brissiegirl is quite right. Most are country shoppers and Australia will always win hands down because of our Centrelink generosity.
    I have often been puzzled why those from Muslim countries choose not to go to a compatible country, but then again I know why!
    buby
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:57pm
    i AGREE with you brissiegirl. And not only that do you know that many of our products are being stamp with the (halal) certification. this means they get our money for free, then what is collected go's to whom ever, how ever, usually via a MOsq.!
    Many things now are stamped with it, so they are collecting money without a problem. Very wrong/ Mind you having said that also i wanted to say so do the cathelics, and all religions. they are tax free! TAX the crap out of them I reckon
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:38pm
    Brissiegirl, while 55% of Australians may pay tax, 48% of that 55% get all their tax back in Welfare payments and Family Tax Benefit. Low income earners pay no tax,
    MICK
    22nd Oct 2014
    8:27pm
    Don't worry Frank. If this government is re-elected they will. We can't have dirt poor people avoiding paying tax you know as the rich want to pay nothing at all.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    7:28am
    buby, if you want to know where that money goes, the information is freely available on the United Muslims of Australia... zakatfund.com.au
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    11:27am
    mick at the end of the Howard years 60% of low and middle income earners paid NO NET TAX!! By the end of the Rudd / Gillard/ Rudd Government that figure was reduced to 48%. That's right mick, only 48% of low and middle income earners paying no net tax. So if you cannot work it out for yourself. Labor=high spending followed by high borrowing followed by high taxing.
    Disco3
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:48pm
    The more people who come here, the more houses, hospitals, schools, welfare, healthcare and so on are needed. How many people are already homeless in Australia? How many people are denied access to (or have to wait for) health care because there are not enough hospital beds or nurses? How do we pay for all the materials and services that are needed for those who are already here? Increase taxes? Cut pensions and welfare? Reduce government staffing levels? I think most people will say we should accept more refugees - but not if it means a cut in pay, health / welfare services or standard of living. I think we have to make a choice.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:52pm
    Eeny Meeny Miney Mo ??
    Tezza
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:57pm
    Careful, who are you going to catch 'by the toe?'
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:03pm
    Or What ? By ENGY'S Post !
    Stoker
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:06pm
    No problem Disco just keep borrowing money, its all ok.
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:56pm
    We can always get Julia Gillard back. She auctioned Treasury Notes 3 times per day. That's what we need , someone who knows how to borrow money.
    MICK
    22nd Oct 2014
    8:24pm
    Stoker and Frank: you two are so predictable. No mention of who removed the borrowing ceiling. Not Gillard. TONY ABBOTT.
    Whilst you both continue with the slogans and lies the truth is there. And for the record the NATIONAL DEBT UNDER TONY ABBOTT IS NOW $30 BILLION MORE THAN IT WAS WHEN Labor left.
    This government is as crooked as a dog's hind leg and behaves like no other I have ever witnessed. Despicable government with its despicable trolls. So where does the money come from to pay YOU Frank????
    Abby
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:29pm
    The Libs had to lift the ceiling because of the interest that has to be paid on Australia's debt. Yes the debt keeps rising expotentially.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    7:35am
    Abby you are correct.
    Also spiteful labor did not have the decency to raise the ceiling themselves because they were fully aware as stated in their forward estimates that labor's spending commitments would push past the ceiling by the first Christmas. Labor's political games!!! And mick parrots it like a Pinocchio. Everyone knows this.
    Tezza
    22nd Oct 2014
    12:54pm
    Liken Australia to your house. If 4 people, 3 dressed in black tents and 1 male with latest mobile phone and flash wrist watch, pushed in through your back door and demanded that you feed and bed them indefinitely, would you capitulate? Conversely, if same 4 people, dressed in a non-intimidatory fashion arrive at front door, knocked, waited to be invited in, explained their predicament and asked for short term assistance, would you consider helping? Quite possibly.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:11pm
    As long as they like Black and Gold Wheet Bix and 2 Minute Noodles ! Why Not ??
    EELS
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:01pm
    Spot on Tezza. Its a pity Sarah Two-Dads doesn't think logically like you, but she doesn't think at all. She just cries crocodile tears. Remember when asked about people drowning at sea, she said 'accidents happen'. Don't you just love the compassionate Left!
    Polly Esther
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:07pm
    The price of gas is promised to at least triple next year, so there, cop that. Somebody is going to be shivering, bet your bottom dollar it wont be the asylum seekers. And no no tree huggers that is not intended to be a racist comment, I am not racist, it's just the way they dress me.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:16pm
    Lederhosen and thongs ??
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:55pm
    That was predicted a few years ago. We should have kept the gas for ourselves. But then I suppose it would never have been fracked?
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:03pm
    Those flying goggles can do that when they get foggy.
    MICK
    22nd Oct 2014
    8:32pm
    Frank you moron.........he Howard government (your trolling boss) let the Gorgon LNG deposit go offshore to overseas investors. This was the world's third largest deposit. Now Australia has a shortage and the superannuation I was providing for myself (I had shares in this Australian company) now goes to Chevron shareholders as this company spins the 'good for Australia' nonsense.
    So lets frack on irreplaceable farming land and cities. And of course the same treachery is now repeating with both sides of politics flogging Australian freehold farming land TO FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS. Give me strength. Do I live in a nation of idiots?????
    Abby
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:37pm
    Great mick :)
    So you've finally worked it out... dead right in your last sentence
    I certainly hope they do not frack - have any of you seen the big black holes in US as a result of fracking ? And further it destroys the natural water table.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    7:38am
    and mick tried to capitalise on this and make a quick buck which back fired. So what?
    mogo51
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:12pm
    Asylum seekers? You must be kidding, pass through six or more countries to get to Indonesia to PAY thousands for passage - they are country selective illegal immigrants, full stop!!!
    The bleeding hearts do just not get it!
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:19pm
    And Indonesia Pushes them on their Journey Religiously !
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:53pm
    It's just that we let the people smugglers set up an office and branch network here in Australia. So this is where they come.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:55pm
    What a KRAFTY Move !!
    buby
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:04pm
    oh and on that note particolor did you know they have an Halal stamp on kraft products, and now on our butter that is bought in Aldi. Sheez they are really getting a move on aren't they
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:22pm
    Go on !! Hence the Sly KRAFTY !! .. The other Blog got wiped apparently and after listening to the Wireless this Morning I think our Days Are Numbered for Talking to each other at all on Blogs ??.. What a Boring Country this will become !!.. I just Crossed Butter off My shopping list now !! I'll be eating Grass soon ??
    Young Simmo
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:32pm
    Yes particolor, I wonder who's comment it was that caused the administrators to chuck a wobbly?
    Maybe it was something to do with that 17 year old talking about beheading tony.
    Maybe one of the administrators is being fitted for a BURQUA.
    Maybe somebody suggested banning shaved heads in Parliament.
    WHO KNOWS.
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:51pm
    My guess is something political. Parti, do a h check if anyone is missing?
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:13pm
    No !! It got a bit Rugged there at times and I think I can put My finger on one person, but not Sure ?? so I'll Shut Up !! I lost a Couple of Smutty things Myself !! And had a feeling it was for the Boiler soon !!
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:22pm
    OK ta...?? I thought the hackers were in my computer.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:27pm
    The person below thinks its Racism But I think is Stunned Disbelief of what is going On in this Country !! Sounds Verdant to Me ?? 9 million Sq KM's ..7 Million of them are Sand and Gibbers and no water !! Have Fun !!
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:46pm
    Yeah I got boiled yesterday. and what I said was nuffin wrong.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:08pm
    I got Erased a couple of times Myself ?? But what I commented on for fun was Twice as Bad as Mine, but it remained ??
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:13pm
    Kato, why did you get boiled?
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:14pm
    summa summa must have been a bad day.
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:16pm
    Frank who nose.
    Abby
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:42pm
    But what are we going to do with all the unemployed lawyers ...now the boats are stoppped ...they will have to find a new job ..I suppose they can always go into Politics and keep leaching the Taxpayer .
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    7:42am
    They have found a new job which also pays well, thank you very much.
    They are defending their right to remain employed and the case looks like dragging out.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:50am
    As long as there is an Opening for an Appeal we will Peel it !!
    Pass the Ductape
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:34pm
    WHAT? Aldi going Halal as well..... I thought the Germans were right on top of this con job, but I guess history doesn't mean a great deal when it comes to money.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    3:07pm
    Yep.. Even Shultz's Shocolate !!
    nas43n
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:17pm
    I can sense lots of racism here in these comments. We have a massive sized country of more than 9 million square KM, with small population. If we don't populate the country we will be in much trouble, since our population is aging and not many newborns.
    Many second and third generation refugees and migrants actually integrate and many assimilate in the society. Well known Australian were refugees who contributed a lot to the wellbeing and wealth of this country. Most people hate refugees because once in the country become independent on Centrlink. But this can be resolved by making refugees more self reliant by getting help for only a specified period such as 6 or 12 months and then they are on their own. Centrelink should not be opened indefinitely to any body. People should learn to fend for themselves.
    Australia should welcome more people because they become, if they managed well, productive and contributors to the economy. We should not be racist and think that Muslim refugees or migrants wish to turn the country into a Muslim state. This is complete fallacy. I know some mosques are not being well attended, and if they do for social reasons no more. All the hysteria about Islamic invasion is very naïve and is intended to dis-inform people.
    Whitlam's Australia is humane non-racist and tolerant Australia.
    Lets keep it this way.
    JudyMac
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:49pm
    nas43n, I agree that some are racist and this is unacceptable. But it is naive to believe that our country is "massive" and able to support hundreds of thousands of people on our ticket. We don't have enough water and we don't have enough resources to support everyone. I do believe that genuine refugees will contribute - but the boats MUST be stopped. The one asylum seeker who died in Nauru was a very sad case, but what about the hundreds who drowned under Labour's watch? Also, boat people tend to be economic or terrorist refugees who can afford to pay people smugglers. As bad as we think the current policy is, it is far better to stop the boats and prevent further loss of life. What are these people doing anyway, trying to reach Australia by boat? Don't they realize there are Moslem-friendly countries easier to reach than Australia? Of course they do! But those countries don't offer a rich a bounty as Australia does. I wish they would continue this policy and replace every boat person with a genuine refugee from these camps
    Brissiegirl
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:23pm
    The refugees that helped build this country came here with no taxpayer funded benefits, no comfy housing, no nothing. They lived in sub-standard accommodation and took the first job that came along, often being paid pittances. They were of similar religion, similar family and social beliefs to existing Australians. They didn't try to establish religious laws, they didn't have more than one "wife" claiming Centrelink benefits. Just because post-WWII immigration worked very well, doesn't mean that post 1970's immigration could have been expected to deliver a similarly successful outcome. It has not. We have seen the introduction of a knife/machete culture, street fighting where kicking below the belt is now common place and people who cover themselves up. Don't tell me that today's immigration landscape is successful because it is not. Heads in the sand again - we need compatible cultures here, welcome them with open hearts but what we have fallen into is the same trap that is destroying the UK and European cultures. Go visit Holland and see how bad it is there. Dutch people send their kids to Dutch-only schools so there is some chance of retaining and perpetuating their own culture. Holland's magnanimous experiment with multi-culturalism has brought their country down and the Dutch are furious because they have virtually reached the point of no return. Do I want that for future Australians --- NO I do not.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    8:50pm
    Onward Christian Soldiers ......
    Paddles
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:39pm
    Brissiegirl

    That was an articulate rendition of what many of us are thinking!
    I could not add to it!!!
    Abby
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:44pm
    Well said Brissiegirl !
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:36am
    Spot on Brissiegirl!!
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    7:57am
    nas43n, I can see from your post that you are a muslim. And that is ok with me and I'm sure many Australians feel the same way.
    But what we do not like is having our country called names like racist. Australia is anything but. Try peddling your Islamic goodness in North Korea where a US citizen has just been released from gaol after serving 6 months. Then tell me if you think Australia is a racist country!!!
    His crime.....leaving a bible at a bar.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    9:32am
    And no Tip !!
    KSS
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:47pm
    Brissiegirl is quite correct when she points out the responsibility of the asylum seeker to make their claim in the first safe haven they reach after leaving their place of persecution. For many of those 20,000+ that arrived by boat from Indonesia, regardless of where they started, they would have gone through a minimum two other safe countries before getting to Australia, namely Malaysia and Indonesia. This well worn route means flying to KL or Jakarta then making their way south to the embarkation villages. Given that they had papers that allowed them to fly in the first place, they would also have had the same papers when they landed which would have allowed them assess beyond the airports. Both KL and Jakarta have the Consulates and Embassies of many countries all of which they could have made an application at, including Malaysia, Indonesia and even Australia. They would have been in a safe place, could have been accommodated whilst their application were assessed then safely flown to wherever accepted them.

    They could even have caught a plane directly or indirectly to Australia and made their claim at immigration at the airport.

    But no. They chose not to do that. They chose to violate the very convention they will later rely on to meet their demands in the country of their choice. They chose to continue their intended journey, breaking several laws in several countries on their way. Not least the destruction of their papers to evade identification.

    The fact that arrivals in this way have reduced from over 20,000 to just 164 in the last year means there are 20,000 less in detention than before. That must surely be a good thing.

    I also support the recent judgement that babies born to these applicants on their way to or whilst in detention in Australia take on the status of the parent. Had the outcome been the other way i.e. that the child gains immediate residency rights would simply have lead to an explosion of unaccompanied children being shipped off or an explosion in the birth rate. Neither of which would bode well. The US and its southern borders show what happens under those conditions.

    If Australia is expected to play by the rules of the UN Convention then asylum seekers must also. I would like to see Australia increase its intake from the established refugee camps where people fully cleared as refugees/asylum seekers have spent many years waiting to be accepted by a third country in conditions equal to or worse than Australia's off shore processing centres. Why is their mental/physical welfare deemed less important than those on Narru or Manus?
    dowdy
    22nd Oct 2014
    1:54pm
    I watched Foreign correspondent last week, and saw how the Italian government threat the thousands of asylum seekers are treated. They send out a navy ship, looking for them so they can be rescued, even outside their territorial waters. Thousands arrive every week! They have a medical team on board, so they are assessed and treated as soon as they taken on the ship. they are treated with kindness and respect, and given food and drink. When they arrive on the mainland, they are processed, and allowed to leave, if they wish
    KSS
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:00pm
    Yes probably to make their way to the UK for the welfare system there. Australia does the same thing, they pick them up, give them food and drink, medical attention and a safe place to stay whilst being processed. Once processed they are free to go. The problem is they don't want to go 'home' when they are found not to be genuine refugees.
    miss aisle
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:54pm
    dowdy, ........The Italians were very kind - & why ?
    Because the Italians know they don't want to stay there - Italy hasn't got the funds
    or jobs to take care of them indefinitely.
    As soon as they've bought western type clothes, (so they will blend in better in their
    selected countries) the illegals head for the train stations & head for UK, Germany & Netherlands. They know all the tricks before they've boarded the rubber boats
    where the longstanding handouts are !
    Sceptic
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:07pm
    Plus due to the attraction to Italy, 3000 are known to have drowned this year.
    Young Simmo
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:02pm
    Question:: If all the Boat people were executed before hitting our shores and saved us 1 billion dollars, how much could our pensions increase.

    Question:: 2. Is the Billion dollars quoted, the total, or just Govt expenses excluding school lunches, colour TVs and flu needles?

    If Question 1 is answered in cans of beer or ciggies, that's OK for this exercise.
    Young Simmo
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:19pm
    I wonder if the 17 year old Immature Mental Retard that made that speech last night, is the product of one of these blood suckers. If yes, his mother should be sterilised immediately to stop the flow.
    Tezza
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:54pm
    Young Simmo, you have raised an interesting point re 'mental retard'. If the Depts. of Education in each state could speak freely, or better still, ESL or Special Ed. teachers could/would speak up, they will all tell you the nationality of the largest % of students with learning difficulties within their schools. The majority of the Aust. Jihadists who have gone/ want to go overseas to massacre were slow learners and loners whilst at school. Inbreeding will become a massive issue which raises your other point of sterilisation. Perhaps when compulsory DNA testing is implemented, this cesspool of genetic rejects can exterminated.
    Brissiegirl
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:27pm
    And one regularly verbal muslim "leader" last night on t.v. referred to the 17 year old idiot as "pure". Islamic community put out a statement recommending that the Australian government put money and resources into finding out why people in this country are being radicalised. So we have let them in, funded their lifestyle, and now they want us to pay for whatever is needed to find out why they are raising criminals? Give me a break.
    KSS
    22nd Oct 2014
    8:09pm
    I saw that too Brissiegirl. I say let the Moslem community deal with their own radicalisation issues. It is their mosques that it is happening in with their Islamic teachers. Their problem, their fix. Not the tax payer again.
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:45am
    Quite right Brissiegirl, suddenly this retard is Australia's 'problem', no he's a muslim problem, let the muslims clean up their own garbage at their own cost. I don't want them to integrate anymore, just to get the hell out and back to the middle east. Hopefully this retard will get killed overseas, if he returns put him against the wall and shoot the bugger. Unfortunately they breed like cockroaches
    sidney70
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:30pm
    We proudly advertise to the rest of the world that we are the lucky country and it is a free country that we also have a welfare system to get money.We also say we are a multicultural country. Anybody hearing that would want to come here. Why do we advertise. Should we !!!!
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:23pm
    I've always said that Sidney !! Ever since Hoges Shoved another Shrimp on the Barby !! The people Smugs used those Film Clips for Bait !!.. And I wont say Who paid the Fares !!
    Olbiddy
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:42pm
    Thank you Brissiegirl, Hasbeen and and Particolor, your views are just what I have been thinking. If we were not paying out a billion or so dollars to keep the country shoppers out of this one, I shudder to think what the welfare bill would be if we continued to allow the open slather we endured under the Labor government. Do we really need, or want to end up like Denmark, where the Muslim population is 5% of the total, but their welfare take is 75%?
    I don't thinks so!
    Brissiegirl
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:31pm
    France's Marseilles has a muslim population of 45% and birth predictions say it will soon be a totally islamic city. Americans are warned not to go there, if identified by wearing a combination of baseball cap, jeans and sneakers, they risk being assaulted or killed. Maybe western Sydney in the not too distant future? For God's sake will someone, if there is anyone sane in the Australian government, stop the do-gooders and appeasers, and get real about who qualifies to come here and who does not.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:36pm
    Bit late for that Aint it ??
    niemakawa
    22nd Oct 2014
    8:37pm
    Brissiegirl. Maybe IS is the wrong target.
    carmencita
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:43pm
    There is a difference between making Australians suffer by taking away or reducing their benefits from reducing costs of detention centres. People in detention centres have no right to access Australian tax payers' money and yet whoever is in the government continues to fund detention centres. If these people are real refugees then, they should access United Nation's facilities or come here by legal means. Through UN facilities they are processed and placed appropriately. Instead of placing them in detentions centres at taxpayers' expense, turn them back to where they came from and advise them of a better alternative. Do away with detention centres because funding these would only encourage illegal entrants. We have our own homeless Australians whose welfare have not been addressed and the media has forgotten instead focussing on the plight of illegal entrants who have no right to Australian taxpayers' money.
    miss aisle
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:10pm
    Agree carmencita.
    When I think how much difference the billions of taxpayers' $'s used for illegals, would have made in the lives of the hard working Aussies & pensioners here,
    it makes me cringe!
    Then, when their demands aren't met, they set fire to expensive equipment, or sew their lips together, for sympathy.
    We would have saved a massive amount of money & concerns
    if Labor did not put the welcome mat out, & change the temporary visa to a
    permanent one.
    I don't agree with Tony's stance on the burqa - I think it should be banned -,
    but at least he's introducing changes for our protection, & stopped the boats.
    Would like to see more drastic action.
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:17pm
    Abbott shouldn't have to take the heat on the about face. He only stepped in to reverse the temporary burqa ban to reduce tension in the community.

    Labor is now opposed to Temporary Protection Visas and Turn Back the Boats. This means they will hold those safe seats in the west but will lose a couple of tight ones.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:32pm
    Then who will do the Heavy Drinking ??
    Tippie
    22nd Oct 2014
    2:59pm
    In reading the comments made about this topic, I am more convinced than ever, Australia is a very racists country, and I am ashamed that my fellow citizens think like this let alone put it in print. What have we become. I remember discussions just like this when I was a child about Italians and Greeks, then people from Eastern Europe were the targets, then the Lebanese, then people from Vietnam and Cambodia. Now it's the turn of people from Iraq, Afganistan, Sri Lanka and Iran to be demonised. If you look hard enough there are a few common denominators. Firstly they were/are all from places ravaged by war. Secondly they are all human beings who are entitled to live free and safe from harm. Lastly, the nasty rhetoric that spews forth from people like some of the commentators on this forum and most of the Murdoch media outlets, is the same vile rhetoric I have heard time and time again over the past 60 years. You all disgust me.
    Young Simmo
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:05pm
    Tippie, if you are so disgusted don't read it, nobody is forcing you. Go and have a game of Solitaire.
    In the mean time, us honest people will continue to air our opinion, not pretend we are goodie-goodies.
    Tippie
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:11pm
    I read it because it keeps me informed about how the really ugly minded people sit in this country, despite the fact the comments disgust me.
    Tezza
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:19pm
    Tippie, it is called human nature. At least we Australians, irrespective of where we originated from, do not congregate in our own little enclaves and sponge off the system. The Greeks, Italians, Eastern Europeans, Vietnamese, and dare I say it, Irish convicts, have all mucked in to make this a multicultural society. People have to prove themselves first. All of the aforementioned did not receive the handouts that the current lot are receiving. What will the illegal boat invaders be able to contribute?
    miss aisle
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:21pm
    Tippie - you obviously haven't read about or seen on TV, the chaos in the UK -
    where there are some areas where even the UK police won't enter - not safe!
    They've taken over with their sharia law!
    In certain areas of USA they have started quite a few training camps - training for jihad (to kill westerners).
    Many more stories where muslims are detrimental to our way of life.
    You obviously feel no outrage now, but one day soon, you WILL!
    Tippie
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:33pm
    hmmm let me guess, you all watch channels 7, 9 and 10, read the Telegraph. the Australian, Courier Mail etc etc etc, Murdoch papers. It is so easy to be seduced by hate and have somebody to demonise, pity you but I remain disgusted.
    Young Simmo
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:37pm
    miss aisle, It is called " HEAD IN SAND SYNDRONE ".
    It is only a minority of people who get it, and can't see the wood for the trees.
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:32pm
    Tippie, regardless of what TV channels are available people are intelligent enough to form an opinion based on the myriad of information services available. I think when it comes to a topic which has become political, people will look for a variety of sources for the answer to the same question. People are getting paid big bucks to help us change our attitude and they have very sophisticated techniques but many of us these days tend to believe less of what we are told and more of what we see.
    Just out of interest, where do you get your news from? I would like a different view?
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:50pm
    Tippie.. It keeps them off the Streets ! Its Dangerous out there now !!
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:07pm
    You betcha the streets are dangerous what with all that ICE around.
    niemakawa
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:17pm
    The facts would most certainly refute your claims that Australia is a racist Country. Please explain why people are waiting to settle here, if that is the case? I believe Australia should only allow people here who have the will to assimilate and not expect any special treatment. Multiculturalism here and everywhere else in the 'West" has failed miserably. To paraphrase the recently departed Gough Whtilam. "It's time." No more immigrants who only follow the word of Islam. Our Laws and customs must take precedence.
    Stoker
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:43pm
    Tippie your head in sand attitude is what disgusts me, I went to school with the kids from Europe whose families came here post WW2, they and their parents got off their arses, learnt English got work, made money made homes some even created industries, Then the Viets and Cambo's came and same again, got off arses and did something, this new lot, THE OPPOSITE.
    Brissiegirl
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:37pm
    Tippie, this is not about race. It is about religion and a cult that openly advertises it it wants to take over the world. If you don't accede to their religious beliefs, you are known as an infidel. The majority of comments here are being heard on buses, in trams, in planes, in doctors' waiting rooms, everywhere people are expressing their anger. Most people don't even know they are paying a covert tax on supermarket products (halal) which is funding a religion (not a race). Why hasn't the government stopped this insidious practice? Because the halal symbol is so small that it's not noticeable to the average innocent shopper.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:42pm
    Some of them work hard in their Book Shops !!
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:49pm
    Brissiegirl ..Yes Me and Many others want it put Boldly and Proudly on the Front of the Label !!..
    EELS
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:13pm
    Tippie you must be getting your 'information' from the ABC. They are censoring the Australian public by not telling both sides of the story. Perhaps it may be a good idea to read the 'Murdoch press' as you say and perhaps get another perspective.
    Stoker
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:35pm
    Yes!! Brissiegirl @ 6.35pm, we now read all the labels of all foods and if halal is mentioned its No Go, specially many of the cheeses we used to patronise, whats wrong with our Aust. food standards, ugh???
    niemakawa
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:39pm
    Instead of suggested deradicalisation programmes for those that have gone to fight the "cause", what about a programme to wean Muslims of Islam. Surely Islam is an addiction and needs to be treated accordingly.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:57pm
    Yes Niem that's gotta work !! Best laugh I've had all Day !! Thanks for that !!
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:17am
    Islam maybe only 2.2 per cent of the population, but Australia’s organised Islamic minority is exerting a disproportionate and worrying influence on Australia's Federal parliament.
    At least 15 Federal seats are now in the hands of Islamic voters with populations of between 5 per cent and 22.67 per cent with many more seats likely to swing on the Islamic vote.
    Two seats that have over a 20 per cent Islam component are held by Labor, including Blaxland at 22.67 per cent (Jason Clare) and Watson at 20.25 per cent (Tony Burke).
    Despite the swing to the LNP at the latest election, all but 3 of the 15 seats are held by Labor with the next election promising a clean sweep to Islam/Labor of up to 21 seats with substantial Islamic minorities.
    Labor is pro Palestinian for good reason and the Coalition is desperately placating Islamic leaders at every turn as Islam permeates our Parliament.
    In a sharp response to the Government’s foreshadowed legislation on home grown terrorism, Australia’s Grand Mufti, Ibrahim Abu Mohammad has demanded Muslims be allowed to travel where they wish overseas and be allowed unrestricted re-entry to Australia. He claimed this was a basic right of all Muslims.
    In an incredible statement he reassured Australians that, if necessary, “We will re-educate them when they return.”
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    9:38am
    Nightmare On Elm Street !!
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:00pm
    letting them in would be far cheaper. On top of that they may actually work unlike some of our younger Australians. plenty of work for them in some country areas make that a condition of entry.
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:03pm
    Im being nice today, I got into trouble yesterday.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:45pm
    Go on Tippies Post and get into trouble again !! Dare Ya !! I didn't !!!.
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:51pm
    Nah the heart can't handle the awaiting knock on the door. Im setting up me crystal set. see if they can catch me then.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:59pm
    They've got a germanium Crystal detector !!..
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:38pm
    Man they had one of them in bed nobs and Broomsticks. powerfull stuff.
    seadog
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:19pm
    I take exception to so much ill informed comment. As for living in unhealthy conditions you should open your eyes to see what those that have been let in do in our society. Living in filth and rubbish seems to be a way of life for so many and as for learning the language of our country heaven forbid! unless of course you mention money when the very limited English is suddenly spoken well. We would not have such a large problem only for the policies of KRudd and Juliar and I do not have any particular political persuasion but just happen to have noticed the mess that our country is now in.
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:33pm
    seadog, if you have no political persuasion why do you call our ex PM's by silly names?
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:03pm
    Well I had My eyes open and never once saw Kevin or Julia Handing out Invitations ??
    Must have been something going on behind their backs ?? HMM ??
    They were coming anyhow ! No matter who was in power at the time !!
    .
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:41pm
    knives behind there backs.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:52pm
    Patch over one Eye !!
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:00pm
    It's okay if it goes over the glass eye, not much chop over the good one.
    Ming
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:28pm
    There is always a percentage of voters who cannot accept reality, however it appears that there is an increasing number of voters who recognize the folly of "open Shores", not only the cost, but the risk of incursion of "believers" who possess objectives that are not in the best interests of our nation.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:23am
    Only a few short years ago a politician coined the phrase "peaceful invasion" and was shouted down as a paranoid Islamaphobic racist bigotted nutter! and possibly a lot of other names behind his back.
    niemakawa
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:30pm
    The Government should recoup the costs associated with accommodating asylum seekers: Reduce Foreign Aid each year by the same amount. : The UN fund the detention centres: The Australian taxpayer should pay nothing.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:55pm
    Now there's a Solution !!
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:40pm
    Best Solution I have heard.
    Pass the Ductape
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:23pm
    Careful neimakawa. The big boys will be taking a good look at you. How dare you inject a magnificent common sense approach into such a volatile issue.
    JudyMac
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:33pm
    I recently spoke with someone who had been working with the anti-terrorist squad in Australia. I posed some of these questions and got replies. Most people arriving by boat seem not to be genuine refugees - they are well-nourished, tattooed men who have destroyed their ID and bring women and children for sympathy reasons. The reason it takes so long in detention is because every case is followed up and the identity of each asylum seeker is checked. Sometimes it takes years to get answers. This person told me that they thought the current 'stop the boats' policy was necessary and was working. They thought the boats should be returned to the country of origin and those immigration places filled by genuine refugees from the camps. These poor people don't get a look-in when boats keep coming with dubious refugees (who have enough money to pay off the people smugglers - genuine refugees tend to have very little). I have the utmost sympathy for genuine refugees! But I DON'T want terrorists coming to our country, taking our benefits and then turning on us and our society. They are criminals for involving innocent children.

    22nd Oct 2014
    3:42pm
    All our current terrorists are from some sort of boat person arrival or so called refugee if you do gooders want these people here take them into your own homes and look after them financially .
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:50pm
    Yes and make sure their Food is Suitable for them ! They didn't like Ours !!
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:44pm
    That Billion Bucks would pay our Loan Bill ?? Send Em Home !! He! He !!
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    3:47pm
    No Hang On !! Then we'll have All those Lawyers and Heaps of Vital Office Workers out of Work !!..This is too hard ??
    Fred
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:02pm
    The cost of admitting them to Australia would be be an interesting figure to calculate.
    As there are few jobs they could do there is the cost of supporting them.
    Providing housing which is expensive in the cities.
    Providing medical care.
    Educating their numerous children.
    Maybe those in favour could pay a levy this is still a democracy after all.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:27am
    The coalition when in opposition were saying it was $75,000 per head on first contact. I suppose you then need to add the ongoing cost of care, legal assistance, medical, food etc. etc.
    Colours
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:06pm
    Yes, send back all the illegals who have arrived since 1788.
    Anonymous
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:11pm
    Good one and just bring in the boaties and see how they mix could be interesting
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:33pm
    Good thinking ! The Spanish would have been far better for the Country, they treated the South Americans Wonderfully !!
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:57pm
    Looks like I might be heading home, nah wait me old Dad paid ten Quid to get us here.
    But by Jesus he worked his arse off raised nine kid's who all became good Auzzies and never did get into trouble oh alright a few times. Thank christ we did come and develop this country.
    niemakawa
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:05pm
    The aborigines would all be dead within a month. Yes repatriate everyone whence they came, then the world will be a happier place. Those with mixed blood would have to make a choice.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:29pm
    Yes Get a Blood Transfusion or grow a Beard ??
    Tezza
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:31pm
    Hi Amelia,
    Not a bad effort today. 120 comments from your Opinion article. Do you have a book going at Your Life Choices to see who can generate the most comments from stirring up the oldies? I will have to call it quits today and do a bit of work in my little part time job to generate a few tax dollars to assist some of your contributors plus the illegals in detention and the naturalised illegals who look after them. I will look forward to your next article.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:36pm
    I'll bet its a Juicy one Tezza !!
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:12pm
    as Franky Howerd used to say ooooh that's a bit mmmmmmmmmmmm
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:25am
    I totally agree Tezza this thread seems to serve no purpose what so ever . Except to stir up intolerance ..
    The unauthorised arrivals ( Gillards term) have been stopped camps are being closed ..
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:40am
    And the Militants sent Home !!
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    4:02pm
    Pete, you don't think it is designed to stir up Islamic extremists in order to rattle the Government? Personally I think the more Australians discuss this issue the better the outcome. The extremists are being groomed and then drugged as well as controlled by fear. The more open this subject is the more understanding young Australians have.
    miss aisle
    24th Oct 2014
    11:42am
    The less we say, the more we tolerate.
    I say keep talking/discussing & learning more facts - sharing what we know.
    Not pleasant, but necessary.
    Adrianus
    24th Oct 2014
    6:36pm
    Absolutely !! I would say that many people have only just begun to realise what is happening and are more and more horrified the more they learn.
    Suddha
    22nd Oct 2014
    4:56pm
    They are not genuine refugees. Unless they have papers on them return them to where the Boats came from. They should not be allowed in. God only knows who these people really are. Cut out the Boat People and help the genuine refugees now in camps.
    I agree 'STOP THE BOATS...SEND THEM BACK IF THEY GET THROUGH' No more stuffing around. Lets get this message to our do gooders. If they want them let them take them into their homes, clothe them, feed them etc at no cost to us taxpayers. The Boat People are better looked after by our idiotic Governments than us Pensioners, who have worked all our life and paid heaps in taxes.

    Aiyoo
    justme
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:04pm
    No words or attitude can change facts.
    They are illegal immigrants and queue jumpers.
    Yes humanitarian considerations are valid, but so are the facts.
    Australia cannot set itself to absorb the worlds poor and down trodden.
    This is part of the ongoing legacy of the previous government who opened the flood gates.
    They who correct the mistakes of others always get the blame.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:21pm
    Who let all this Water in here ??
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:39pm
    some drip.
    Kato
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:43pm
    And be reminded an expert was once a leaking tap or something.
    unicorn
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:20pm
    I have yet to see one of thes discussions stay on subject without becoming a political lot of BS who did what etc. & as far as Joe is comcerned I don't think he is too proud of his heritage either so maybe another rule should be only when they prove that they not only obey our laws, they should never come here & expect everything to be arranged to suit them should be introduced.
    unicorn
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:24pm
    If e are saving 2.5 Mil dollars why is Joe so hellbent on charging us for things we cannot afford, or don't want to afford.
    unicorn
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:25pm
    Sorry the figure quoted should be $2.5 billion.
    Radish
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:31pm
    To answer the three questions asked at the end of the Post.
    My answers re: Yes, Yes and Yes.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    5:35pm
    Did the World turn for You Too Radish ??
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:31am
    I think it was just a hot flush parti.
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:31am
    The three questions asked where all policies created by Labor . Whitlam denied entry to genuine Vietnamese refugees . Keating introduced unlimited mandatory detention. Rudd reopened the closed abandoned camps .
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:45am
    And Oiled the Revolving Door !!

    22nd Oct 2014
    5:33pm
    I do hope some of the remarks are tongue in cheek. Like let them in and save 1.2 billion. First off welfare cheques from Centrelink plus housing and as no public available leased private housing often new home units etc at higher cost than rent collected picked up by taxpayers. Then medical dental plus children schooling for large families and if given citizenship family reunions. Remember 10,000 Chinese Students allowed to stay by Hawke resulted in over 400,000 family members coming in to join them here and Chinese work ethic is higher.
    Muslims have 8.1 children per female to our 1.2 and so wont need to work as today many dont as monies for those 8 -10 children plus adults is more than can earn as most are unskilled anyway.
    And do you honestly think the people who will suffer for these costing the tax revenues dearly wont be the pensioner, battler, disabled Anglo/Europeans?

    Because cant ask how many ethnics collect the dole or what they are costing or how many actually work etc as left have labelled it racist and now still keeping offend in race card act. And governments scared of their violence so give in as Abbott has to 18C as well a Burqa and will on terrorists too. How many of the 23 million and growing population actually work? Around 10 or so million. How many live off of Centrelink benefits?
    We know there are 2 million age pensioners roughly. And around 2 million SFR and growing numbers. But they are hitting them not the incomers who are taking without much in the giving value department.
    So we should be stopping immigration until such time we have sorted out the backlog of those illegal boat people who are illegal even if the left scream not and their useful followers echo it on for them, as you need a visa to and here legally no matter what they quote on UN Refugees, as it says not legal too on smugglers boats> And very word, should tell ignorant people smuggling is illegal and so applies to people simple if thought about eh! But all the time get told legal to come to claim asylum but never read the actual documents freely available to download.
    WE cannot afford any more per capita we have taken the most in the world and its had a toll on all of us but mainly on those retired on pensions and limited incomes, as well as disabled people and autistic children and special needs kiddies and their parents on everything medical schooling, time off etc. We are short of water and arable land is being used for housing more whilst farmers lost water to cities already and food shartages loom which is why foreign government are buying up our farms and stations which is scary as food will be shipped out , we will miss out if shortages get worse and lose more land to housing millions of people who are not fleeing persecution in most cases but poverty because their countries are not democratic. How many people here could afford the cost of air fares to Indonesia and then living until boat available and cost of ticket $10K per person.
    Not many of htose on limited incomes but they are paying the price for letting all these others in. And loaded tribunal too, activists living off taxpayer funds to represent these people, and when rejected they let them in anyway and then say look they were refugees when clearly not, even Indonesians said so as well as UN>
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:04pm
    Never Mind we Know all that !! Send it Canberra with no Stamp !!.. They Use the Vegemite Tax to get here !
    dstark
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:03pm
    What would it cost out society if we opened the flood gates?
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:07pm
    Your Head I think ??
    Mar
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:07pm
    So much prejudice, racism and fear is all I read here. It's sad.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:24pm
    I would love someone to tell us what We SHOULD be thinking ??..
    niemakawa
    22nd Oct 2014
    6:40pm
    You want to live in a fantasy land, do so, but others have a realistic approach to life.
    Anonymous
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:06pm
    particolor - for the safety of all Australians, you SHOULD stop thinking
    miss aisle
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:46pm
    You keep belting out those highlights of yours, particolor !

    22nd Oct 2014
    7:10pm
    We have a great big desert in the middle of Australia
    Perhaps if we resettle some there, we may strike oil
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:12pm
    And start another War !!
    niemakawa
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:13pm
    Only if there is a Centrelink Office there and a Mosque.
    Judy in the hills
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:33pm
    Have you seen some of the mansions some of these refugees end up with? Not too many Australians could afford them, even after a lifetime of working hard and saving. We need to keep our eyes open.
    Anonymous
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:38pm
    Hoe do they afford these mansions, if they're on centerlink pensions ?
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:48pm
    I thought that was obvious ! Many people 1 House !! Many people Next House !! and so on !!
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:18pm
    I think if you get 2 families each with 8.1 kids you are looking at some serious welfare dollars being thrown at it.
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    1:06am
    They put the wives and children in one house, who then claim single mother's pension and the husbands live in another house....and the dollars keeping rollin' in!
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    9:03am
    Australian Tax Payers buy a lot of Houses Trood !!
    bandy
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:41pm
    I think you have to stop illegal asylum seekers as there are to many genuine refugees who are waiting for yrs to get to another country.I live in a third world country because I cannot afford to live in Australia the message I get here is Australia is a lucky country(which it is) & the poor people want some of that luck.We have to toughen up a bit so we can maintain a certain amount of a better lifestyle.D
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:52pm
    No! You get called Funny Names Now if you try to toughen up !! :(
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:22pm
    I try to toughen up but I have this image of Sarah Hansen-Young snivelling. It's so sad.
    Adrianus
    25th Oct 2014
    7:05am
    bandy, I know someone who came to Australia by leaky boat from Thailand in the 1970's. He shares your opinion. The governments tough approach has meant that we no longer feel responsible for 100's of people drowning. Australia may have been the lucky country but it wasn't without struggle. You know as well as I do that you make your own luck in life.
    Young Simmo
    22nd Oct 2014
    7:58pm
    The Authorities of Australia need to find out urgently if the parents of that 17 year old Mental Retard are still of breeding age, and if so remove the immediate threat instantly. He is talking about removing heads, so one of his family heads needs to get the same treatment. Let's run a count right now to see if I am right. If I am wrong what sort of punishment would match the crime when he starts his hobby? I say a head for a head, there is no shortage of matching heads in Aus.
    For people offended by my mention of heads on here, it was good enough for him to mention heads on National Television last night.
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    1:08am
    can we make that 2 for 1 or maybe more...,
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    9:06pm
    We are going to close all the detention centres and send them all home !!
    Only one problem ? We don't know who they are nor where they came from ??
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    1:09am
    easy! they came from a boat,,,, ahoy me hearties!
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    9:12am
    We will Instil the will of Allah on these Barren Shores !!
    And cast the Infidel from the lands !
    Tax their Sacred Grub !
    Ally Baa Baa .....
    Dot
    22nd Oct 2014
    9:30pm
    It is not white man's responsibility to work hard, get screwed by our Government and have the rest of the world living of our taxes. TURN THEM BACK AND TO HELL WITH THEM. Hand over our border patrol to the NEO NAZIS.
    particolor
    22nd Oct 2014
    9:43pm
    Send them to Greenland !!
    Paddles
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:11pm
    Amelia

    If you can still your bleeding heart for a moment and set aside the fact that a great proportion of illegal entrants to Australia are merely seeking a better lifestyle for themselves and their children, then ask yourself, are the conditions of detention in Australia worse than the conditions that they claim to be fleeing?

    If the answer is in the positive, then I am sure that arrangements could be made to return them to the point of departure. If the answer is no, then suck it up and count your blessings!

    My country is not advertising for refugees or the detritus of world problems and those who rock up here by unofficial means and throw themselves upon our mercies are NOT entitled to preferential treatment above and beyond our regulated immigration intake.
    Adrianus
    22nd Oct 2014
    10:29pm
    60% of asylum seekers return for that reason Paddles. They had it better where they were. I cant imagine they would be too happy with their travel agency who would have painted a very different picture.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:17am
    House, Car,Washing Machine and the Dole ! And a Welcoming Brass Band on the Pier !!

    23rd Oct 2014
    6:05am
    Makes you proud to be an aussie reading through the same ol' racist, fear mongering bile that's been done to death every time the words 'refugee/boat person/or asylum seeker are uttered, and realise the facts are inconvenient at times but worth a read if you're so inclined

    'Myths About Refugees and Asylum Seekers: Detailed Mythbusters' - updated March, 2014 - Refugee Council of Australia.
    Tezza
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:09am
    Who funds the Refugee Council of Australia plus their 2nd class solicitors?
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:41am
    What didn't like the facts?

    But believe a breakdown of where income to fund this organisation comes from is available at

    'Sources of Income' - Refugee Council of Australia - last updated May 2014.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:53am
    Well their core funding came from the Federal Government. Funding was cut in 2002 then restored in 2008, then cut again in 2014. Guess where that little group is directing their votes? They do not disclose their main source of funds.
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    9:01am
    So tell me Frank, and given your contributions on the site you certainly sound like a man in the know about most things, where then does this group direct their votes and who then is their main source of funds?
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    9:20am
    Where Happy Little Islamite's as Happy as can be !!
    We all Enjoy our Islamite for Breakfast Lunch and Tea !!.
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    11:38am
    There is nothing wrong with the refugees we bring in every year from the UN camps . It is the unauthorised arrivals that come for economic reasons that are the problem ..,
    miss aisle
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:39pm
    shetso - "Proud to be an Aussie" - well, that's good, because there may come a time
    when you won't be able to have that attitude!
    miss aisle
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:43pm
    I agree Pete, but would even like to say no to muslims from camps -
    far too many ongoing problems.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:53pm
    shetso1 the fact that you need to ask those questions raises another question in my mind. Why do you promote an organisation about which you know nothing?
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    1:35pm
    Bit of an exaggeration don't you think Frank, saying I was promoting the Refugee Council of Australia, but think we both know I was just using it as a reference point for the facts to counter the myths - many evident on this thread - surrounding refugees and asylum seekers.

    Obviously you have no idea where this group directs their votes, otherwise you would have answered my question, and it was my understanding that their breakdown of funding was outlined in the reference that I gave previously, and have no idea what you're on about when you say

    "They don't disclose their main source of funds"

    and that's why I asked the question hoping you could enlighten me....
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    1:57pm
    Sorry I thought you were just being a smart arse. Needless to say you assume the RCoA have the facts, which in my mind suggests that you are hooked. Like I said they do not disclose the source of their main funding which apparently composes 43% of the total.
    miss aisle
    24th Oct 2014
    11:34am
    Well, shetso, with your big mouth, why don't YOU enlighten us all ?
    Anonymous
    24th Oct 2014
    5:03pm
    Why so very rude miss aisle? Thought my interactions were with Frank not you, and given that you've commented on my estimation about 12 or 13 times on this thread thus far, and I've commented 4 times, I'd advise you to think again about who the 'big mouth' is....
    miss aisle
    24th Oct 2014
    5:43pm
    scarcasm is the lowest form of wit, shetso
    Interactions here are with anyone who chooses to participate -
    in case you hadn't noticed......
    "smart arse" mentioned above is pretty well on target.
    Adrianus
    24th Oct 2014
    6:31pm
    shetso1 those insults are uncalled for. People can make any number of contributions they like. You appear to be very troubled about something? First you recommend an organisation as having all the facts then you claim not to be promoting that organisation. It appears that you change your view easily. If you took your own advice you would be happy. I don't know what your problem is but there is no need to try passing it on to others.
    particolor
    24th Oct 2014
    6:40pm
    Someone said up there that they have to Travel through the Courts 2ND Class ?? Wont they be Offended ?
    Adrianus
    24th Oct 2014
    8:22pm
    Yes I guess someone will get offended. And in that case it is a better option to offend a majority group because they cannot plead a case of disadvantage.
    particolor
    24th Oct 2014
    8:41pm
    When they make it an Offence to Offend will a 2nd Class Lawyer Defend Us ??
    Adrianus
    24th Oct 2014
    10:49pm
    If you must deal with a lawyer then after you give them the brief block all their calls and do not contact them until they have the matter finalised. This advice alone could save you a lot of money.
    particolor
    24th Oct 2014
    11:22pm
    I'll save the Flamin lot I'll stand My own Defence !!
    nas43n
    23rd Oct 2014
    8:52am
    For those who thought I am a Muslim, I am not so. I am not and will not be anti-Muslim. And who associate Muslims with terrorism is short sighted and probably ignorant. The terror was brought in to the Arab countries which are mainly Muslims. Muslim terrorists is much less than one in ten thousands of people. Arab world was subjected to Western Christian state terrorism for more than a hundred years. The West brought in feudal systems like Saudis, Hashemite's and Gulf sheikhs and protected them and still is. American, British and French military bases still there to provide security for those backward rulers for selfish reasons. Arab and Muslim people are living in poverty due to the West systematic theft of their wealth. No wonder some Muslims among others flee their countries, because life is intolerable there. Western continued meddling in these countries internal affairs is shameful. Australia, as all Western countries have to pay the price for their selfish policies in the Middle East. Who dismissed the nation of Palestine to establish illegal Jewish state instead? This shameful and illegal acts will haunt Australia and the Western world barbaric role in the events in the ME until the end of times. You support terror regimes and you will suffer the consequences. See the big picture.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    9:09am
    The Dashers say the same thing. It's always someone elses fault. An easy cop out to blame the west! Why do they have to kill their fellow man just because they run out of money?
    miss aisle
    23rd Oct 2014
    11:35am
    muslims have this CERTAIN way of babbling -
    trivilizing bad things muslims do -
    justifying why they/others take part in horrific acts -
    blaming the west
    turning facts around - "YOUR terror regimes"
    "no wonder some muslims flee their countries - western meddling" ??
    ending with a nice little threat - "you will suffer the consequences"

    No wonder muslims cause so much contraversy!!
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:50pm
    I don't see any other religion threatening and performing violent acts. I don't see any other religion introducing a tax on Australian people. I don't see any other religion advocating block voting in order to introduce it's own agenda.
    I think these suicide , lone wolf terrorists need to have autopsies to determine what sort of drugs they are on.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    3:14pm
    You forgot to push the Hash Key Frank #
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    4:18pm
    My hash key has been removed in protest. I am waiting for my GP to give me the good oil!!
    miss aisle
    23rd Oct 2014
    5:25pm
    nas - don't know how you can make those outrageous accusations..
    And then.... to think anyone with a brain will believe it!
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    5:44pm
    It's no use miss aisle, nas is gone. We wont see him back here now.
    wally
    23rd Oct 2014
    11:44am
    Hi Amelia. It is good that you point out the high cost of the detention centres. Why do we have them? Why were they needed?
    Let us revisit 2007. Kevin and his Labor cronies made a big fuss about the cost of detaining a single asylum seeker on Nauru and vowed to save the Australian taxpayer the cost of maintaining such a facility. Then, upon gaining the Prime Ministership in 2007 Prime Minister Rudd had the brainstorm of throwing out the Temporary Protection Visa program that the Howard government had put in place. So never mind bringing in genuine refugees from UN refugee camps in Asia and Africa, Kevin decided to allow uninvited and unchecked boat people that CLAIMED to be refugees to enter Australia. The trickle soon became a flood and the populace became alarmed. Where were these people being housed? What would happen to Australians that had been on public housing waiting lists for years? Who looked after the boat peoples' medical needs? At what cost? and so the murmuring became louder. Prime Minister Gillard cast about looking for other countries to con into accepting the so called refugees. East Timor said no. Malaysia agreed, but only if Australia took 5 rimes as many refugees from Malaysia as Australia sent to Malaysia. (Typical of how Labor tries to paper over the cracks their mistakes have made by using Aussie tax dollars) And the boats kept coming in. We saw on TV how a people smuggling boat crashed onto the rocks at Christmas Island, drowning an number of unfortunate country shoppers in the process. It was the Navy's fault, some Labor apologists said. Nobody did enough to save the women and children.
    Lost and overlooked in all of this wailing, gnashing of teeth and scapegoat hunting is the unalterable fact that the blame for these deaths and all the other costs brought about by the self proclaimed but unproven asylum seekers lies at the feet of Kevin Rudd. In his seemingly never ending pursuit of instant popularity and public approval, Kevin did the "feel good" thing and in typical Rudd fashion, ended Howard's solution and created a problem that Australians are paying for today.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    4:52pm
    wally, that just about sums it up, but if I may add.
    The cost at the time blew out to $6.5b over budget. Rudd, Swan, Bowen and Burke with the help of the Greens had created a disaster, which the new PM Gillard promised to fix.
    People were coming every day in unseaworthy boats and many were drowning. The ALP then decided to give preference to women and children, hence we had to hear of the drowning of women and children on the nightly news.
    And who could forget the last sitting of parliament for the year when with much hand wringing and tearful speeches Gillard refused to go on Christmas holidays while people were drowning at sea. But the boats kept coming. labor had a body count up around the 1200, with no idea how to stop it, and yet they stuck steadfastly to their policy, refusing all the time to accept the Coalition solution.
    Reeper
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:16pm
    Sorry, I by now these 'poor' people know what they are coming to, which is better than the conditions many live in in their own countries. Australian service men and women suffer worse often in the lands these 'refugees' ran from. Even in Australia people die from the simplest ailment occasionaly, so the odd detainee is unfortunate but realistic. I say close detention centres and send all backdoor 'refugees' back to their own countries to apply for entry in the proper manner
    miss aisle
    23rd Oct 2014
    12:35pm
    If only the govt. would listen to the majority & act !
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    3:08pm
    They've got Manners ??
    Supernan
    23rd Oct 2014
    4:06pm
    You cannot be an illegal immigrant. An immigrant is a person who has permission to arrive leagally. Asylum seekers are people who are persecuted, escaping war & destruction of their homes. Nearly 100% of Asylum Seekers have been found to be genuine. Those who are not get sent back.
    Where do people get the idea that Asylum Seekers released into the community dont work ? Probably because if released on Temporary protection Visas, they are NOT ALLOWED TO WORK NOR DO THEY GET BENEFITS !
    Once allowed to work, 99% ofl Asylum Seekers work very hard & are very grateful. They make up such a small proportion of all our Migrants I doubt whether many of you have even met one.
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    4:30pm
    Well who are those 200,000 people who arrived here during 2008 to 2013? Were they just uninvited guests?
    Look I will be the first to admit, my math can be a little rusty from time to time. Can you explain how given that 100% of asylum seekers are genuine there are still some sent back? "NOT ALLOWED TO WORK NOR DO THEY GET BENEFITS" was the system, but now they get a special payment which is around $20 below the new start allowance.
    Anonymous
    23rd Oct 2014
    4:36pm
    You have it back to front those released into the community by labor whist waiting a determination are not allowed to work .
    Those being put on the new temporary visa will be allowed to work at the invitation of local regional councils.,,
    Adrianus
    23rd Oct 2014
    5:39pm
    Pete, do you know the logic behind that move? Were they creating work for those in Neighbourhood Watch? Perhaps worried the incoming would take jobs off the existing unemployed? I just don't get it.
    miss aisle
    24th Oct 2014
    11:28am
    supernan - just because you don't like the words "illegal immigrants"
    does not mean they don't exist! Have you heard of "gate crashers" at a party?
    They exist too!
    Asylum seekers must seek refuge at the first country they enter - NOT
    bypass or pass through all the ones that cannot give financial aid,
    & keep flying/sailing until they like the colour of the money!!

    And "99% work very hard & are grateful" - ?????
    They DO have many, many children in order TO COLLECT nice, fat centrelink
    benefits.
    "Small proportion" ! They're everywhere!
    Please wake up from your dreams - it was JUST a dream, supernan!
    particolor
    24th Oct 2014
    3:21pm
    Things were like that Superman! On Krypton !! Before Your Planet Exploded and Many Many Thousands of them Found their way to Planet Earth !! Then Country Shopped till they Found a Country with a You Beaut Welfare System !!
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    7:33pm
    All I'm waiting for now from a someone is ..Point being What ??
    Adrianus
    26th Oct 2014
    7:48pm
    This is just labar rhetoric. labor and islam are together on this. There is no point parti !!
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    8:19pm
    We'll all be Runed !!
    wally
    27th Oct 2014
    12:51pm
    Hi Supernan. By your assertions about the virtues possessed by the Asylum seekers, I can only assume that you yourself have a close and intimate knowledge of these people. I hope that you have invited a few of them to share your home with you and that you all live happily under one roof. If this is the case, I also hope you are providing for all of their needs without charge as a true example of Christian Charity.
    Gra
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:23pm
    Don't know where your head has been stuck Amelia but you obviously missed the reports where these so-called refugees were getting medical treatment in these detention centres while those people there guarding them were not entitled to use the same medical falicities or avail themselves of the same medical help. If you are going to get on the asylum seeker bandwagon, get the FULL facts first, not just read the crap handed out by Sarah Hanson-Young.
    particolor
    23rd Oct 2014
    10:33pm
    HMM ?? Amelia Muddle ??
    Not Senile Yet!
    24th Oct 2014
    9:25pm
    Before we arrived their were two Aboriginals standing on the Headland......One turned to the other and said.......Listen here, if we don't STOP THOSE BOAT PEOPLE we will live to regret it!!!!!
    Now who wants to stop the Boat People???????
    Kinda ironic isn't it?????
    Ha Ha Ha...what goes round....comes around!!!!
    So Funny!!!!!
    particolor
    24th Oct 2014
    9:43pm
    The Old Aboriginal Man that just moved in next Door to me said.. "We've had it so good !!" FACT !! And He's a Well behaved Gentlman !!
    particolor
    24th Oct 2014
    9:46pm
    Stupid Computer ??.."We've Never had it so Good !! "
    particolor
    24th Oct 2014
    9:53pm
    PS And that is the second time now that I have heard that from an Old Aboriginal!!FACT!!.. The first was about a Year ago in Vinnies, An old Lady said to Me "Them Young ones don't behave !! We've never had it so Good !!"
    Radish
    25th Oct 2014
    7:04pm
    We are not comparing "apples" with "apples" re boat people.
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    7:13pm
    I was commenting on something someone Shoved up there about Aborigines and First Fleet !!
    Adrianus
    25th Oct 2014
    8:41am
    Australia is about to face it's biggest challenge. Islam has made no secret that it wants to rule the world and I believe them. A moderate today can be an extremist tomorrow. Too many so called moderates support the radicals in Syria for my liking.

    Next year Australia will see the launch of a new political party Australian Liberty Alliance "ALA" and I urge all Australians to take advantage of this opportunity to be part of stopping this Islamic march on Australia by democratic means.

    The ALA core policy is that “all attempts to impose Islam’s theocracy and Sharia law must be stopped by democratic means, before the demographic, economic and sociopolitical realities make a peaceful solution impossible”.

    It proposes “practical steps to stop Islamisation”, including prohibiting full face coverings in public spaces and mandatory labelling of products from halal-certified companies.

    A 10-year moratorium on resident visas for people from the 57 member countries of the Organisation of Islamic ­Co-operation, except for “persecuted non-Islamic minorities”, is also proposed.
    miss aisle
    25th Oct 2014
    9:12am
    From what you have written Frank, ALA radiates hope & a breath of fresh air!
    Exactly the kind of political party we can relate to; &, not a minute too soon.
    I don't even want to ask how you came across this info.,
    Just very happy that you've passed it on.
    God bless Australia
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    9:17am
    One Two Tree O Clock, Four O Clock, ROCK !!
    Adrianus
    25th Oct 2014
    9:54am
    Callin' out around the world, are you ready for a brand new beat?
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    9:59am
    To each their own of course, but nope think I'll pass on the 'Australian Liberty Alliance/ALA' thanks. Worth a read if you're so inclined

    'The Australian Liberty Alliance and the politics of Islamaphobia" - The Conversation, B.T. Jones, Historian, University of Western Sydney.

    However believe it's 'National Mosque Open Day' today - might be a good chance for those of us who have never actually engaged one to one with muslims or entered a mosque to have a look.

    Also believe they are offering Q. and A. sessions at some of these locations, so again might be a opportunity for those of us who have concerns, queries, curiosities about Islam and Muslims to ask questions and have them explained and answered directly....

    Enjoy Saturday.
    Adrianus
    25th Oct 2014
    10:03am
    shetso1 I suggest you go along as you have stated before that you have not seen a burqa.
    miss aisle
    25th Oct 2014
    11:15am
    shetso - If I want to know more about Islam, & what Muslims believe in, & must do, etc., I read a Qu'ran. So much information in there.
    It answers all my questions.
    Would the Q & A sessions be different from the precise wording of the Qu'ran?
    Adrianus
    25th Oct 2014
    11:43am
    miss aisle, I believe you make a good point. There is every likelihood a different interpretation exists depending on which mosque you go to. I will attend a mosque when they have a female imam! And I don't mean just a prayer leader for other women.
    miss aisle
    25th Oct 2014
    11:55am
    I will attend when they believe in the Triune God.
    They BELIEVE Jesus was a prophet - NOT true for Christians
    They DON'T believe Jesus is the Son of God
    They DON'T believe Jesus was crucified.
    They DON'T believe their God loves ALL demoninations.
    I'll get off the soap box now that those facts are clear.
    Adrianus
    25th Oct 2014
    12:18pm
    Thank you for those facts. It's always good to hear from someone who has read both the Bible and Qur'an.
    And I will go and marinate some pork!!
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    12:46pm
    Best Behaviour Day at the Mosque !!
    Don't forget to say Grace before You Tuck Into that Pork Frank
    miss aisle
    25th Oct 2014
    1:14pm
    What a variety of threads on YourlifeChoices!
    Something for everyone...
    Being able to share opinions with others -
    Process facts and have a laugh; also to share these with friends we meet..
    It is a priviledge & colours my day!
    (That pork got me all sentimental)!
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    1:29pm
    I'll bet all the Ham, Spam and Bacon Makers are Breathing a Sigh of Relief that they wont be Extorted with Christmas Coming Up ??..
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    2:54pm
    Miss aisle both the jews and the Muslims and the Christians believe in the same God . The difference is that that the Christians like the Hindus believe that their God manifests itself in three forms ..
    Being an Atheist I believe faith in any God is silly....
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    3:33pm
    Holy Ghost !!!
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    3:37pm
    That's one !!!
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    3:48pm
    I didn't think You'd want the Father, Son Piece with You Religion ??..
    But look on the Bright side !! You wont getting a Visit from Ukmud and the Boys for Donation this Year !! I think Atheist's rate lower on their Scale than Infidels ??
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    3:57pm
    Want some Afternoon Entertainment Pete ?? Google in .... Halal Turkeys ...
    And put Your fingers in Your Ears at some of it ??
    Adrianus
    25th Oct 2014
    5:22pm
    I like to marinate everything. Not only for the variety of flavours but also for the tenderness. Pork is ideal for that.
    Adrianus
    25th Oct 2014
    5:29pm
    parti, I googled halal turkeys and the results were very interesting. You could form the opinion that people in the USA & UK don't mind paying the tax as long as they know how the turkey dies.
    Blessed by Allah and throat cut. Kosher style is to not worry about blessing. Interestingly, Muslims can eat Kosher. I don't think it matters too much on the ingredients or the method of slaughter as long as the money keeps rolling in.
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    5:33pm
    Now that You've Pigged Out on that read go to ...Halal Choices Australia !!..
    See You back here when You've signed up (Maybe) and Commented !! I did !
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    5:40pm
    When did Christians stop eating pork like the other monotheist traditions ?
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    6:13pm
    We didn't as far as I know ?? But We soon will if they get much more of their Own Way... You'll have to put Your Hand up to go to the Dunny soon !!..
    Did you get list of Halal Foods ?? I printed it and there are 8 Pages of it ?? Any wonder They have Funds for Hamas ??.... It cut My Shopping note down to 1 Item Bacon ??
    Adrianus
    25th Oct 2014
    6:26pm
    YLC has nothing against pigs there is always a pig story on here.
    We should be grateful that the Jews and Muslims can agree on at least one thing. No Pork on the Fork.

    How can a religion tax every thing we have in the supermarket????

    I have high hopes for the new ALA they have already registered with ASIC and their 500 member limit for registration as a political party is certain.
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    6:54pm
    That was the Most Depressing Stuff I've ever Read in My life in there Today !! How was that Bunkum Ever Allowed to get so Far Here ???? And nobody Know about it !! Who Allowed It ??... There is a Class Action about it going, but I haven't read much on that Yet !! ... Is there Something NORMAL Australians Should Be Told ??
    Radish
    25th Oct 2014
    7:05pm
    First thing you must remember if you visit the Mosque...women are segregated from the men and sit at the back or in another room.
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    7:09pm
    Same with all religions Radi women are second class .
    Radish
    25th Oct 2014
    7:10pm
    For those who may have missed it; this week Coles have lovely Aussie pork on special for $6 a kg. Bought a nice piece and have in freezer for Christmas.
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    7:12pm
    The early Christians were all Jews who did not eat pork as God had instructed ..
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    7:16pm
    STREWTH Radish !! Don't Freeze the Halal out of it or it will be ORF !!!
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    7:22pm
    Jesus didn't eat pork or shellfish ...
    Adrianus
    25th Oct 2014
    7:25pm
    Pete, Do they still have the horse butchers in France? Horses don't have a split hoof, so those butchers will eventually go out of business in a place like Marseilles.
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    7:38pm
    Jesus was a Rabbi and a devout Jew so would not have eaten pork .
    Luke 4:20 "The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him."
    The idea of Christians eating pork came from Paul " the Pauline doctrines" it was to broaden Christianity beyond Jews . So rather than being a Jewish sect to attract Gentiles ...
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    7:38pm
    2 Pound of Rising Fast thanks Mr Butcher !!
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    7:43pm
    Hypocrisy is the shameful twin of our Anglo-Saxon disgust for the consumption of horse flesh. Today one billion people eat horse meat. It is commonly served in China, Russia, Central Asia, Mexico, Holland, Switzerland, Italy, Japan, Belgium and Argentina. Globally, consumption has risen by 27.6 per cent since 1990. Meanwhile, Britain, Australia, Ireland and America are busy expressing disgust at our hippophagic cousins while merrily shipping our unwanted horses overseas to be turned into bresaola and sauerbraten.
    miss aisle
    26th Oct 2014
    12:02am
    Pete - The major differences regarding God -

    JEWS believe that God is one.

    MUSLIMS believe there is no God but Allah.
    The Qu'ran explicitly attacks the Christian teaching on the Trinity,
    saying that anyone who ascribes "partners" to God is committing the sidn of "shirk"
    (blasphemy).
    Of the 99 names ascribed to God in Islam, "Father" is omitted - to avoid the idea
    of the Father & the Son.
    This is in stark contrast to the Bible & Jesus' own teachings.

    CHRISTIANS believe that God is revealed in Scripture as Father, Son & Holy Spirit,
    3 persons who are co-eternally God.

    Major differences regarding Jesus Christ -

    JEWS (some) may accept Jesus as a good teacher or even a prophet, but they
    reject Him as the Messiah.

    MUSLIMS believe that Jesus was only a man, a prophet below Mohammed in
    importance, who did not die for man's sins.

    CHRISTIANS believe Christ is the Son of God, the sinless Redeemer who died &
    rose again for the sins of man.

    So Pete, I do think there are major differences in the Gods being worshipped.
    miss aisle
    26th Oct 2014
    12:29am
    A little about Islam -
    Religious leaders of Islamic countries believe if Islam is to be practiced correctly,
    all of society must submit to islamic law (sharia).
    That means that everyone including non-muslims, must either conform to islamic
    laws, economics, politics & customs OR suffer heavy consequences.

    Historically, in countries whre islam has gained political power, people of all rival
    religions are either wiped out or, in the interest of "tolerance" permitted to live
    as 2nd class citizens.
    As a cultural force, political islam slowly squeezes non-muslims & crushes dissent,
    even though the Qu'ran teaches there should be no cumpulsion in religion.
    The regular & continuing persecution of Christians in muslim countries (which has
    included rape & murder) occasionally receives media attention.
    This persecution is part & parcel of political islam's determination to force people
    to submit to allah.
    Adrianus
    26th Oct 2014
    7:11pm
    It certainly is looking like we have 3 choices over which we may soon have limited control because of our prolonged apathy.
    Convert to Islam, perish by the sword, or accept a second-class status, which modern analysts call dhimmitude. This last choice renders Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians subject to heavy social, legal, and economic discrimination enforced by the ruling Muslims and implying a status of perpetual humiliation.
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    7:30pm
    What an Unpleasant Joke they turned out to be ?? Asylum Seekers ?? Egypt blamed todays Carnage on Terrorists with FOREIGN Funding !!
    Adrianus
    26th Oct 2014
    7:36pm
    Yes a barb at the Saudis no doubt. Egypt is not happy. Egypt has some Jews and Christian citizens.
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    8:02pm
    Frank .. I was waiting for... Point being What ?..From someone again !! And I despise having to Explain to Pauline !!
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    7:08am
    Frank.. I certainly hope You Faced Your Computer towards Mecca While You read that Halal Slaughtered Turkeys ???
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    11:16am
    It is all gobblygook to me. Pauline was ahead of her time. She arrived just as the PC brigade were starting to flex.
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    9:08pm
    PLEASE GO AND WATCH..<< Not Shouting !!..
    Understanding Halal Certification Schemes (Part1-12 complete)..Its only 32 Minutes long OK ?
    You/Tube..
    Q Society of Australia Inc...
    Thank You..
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    9:25pm
    Point being what?
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    9:42pm
    So that People might get some sort of a Clue what is going on !! But after careful thought I might not have been talking to You ?? As I think You Know already ??
    go and watch... Dr Mark Durie in Melbourne 2 September 2014
    You/Tube .. And that is for People that don't know what is going on !
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    9:50pm
    I am not sure what is going on? If you object to our exporters having their products certified . I don't understand. Their is a huge Muslim market on our doorsteps ...
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    10:04pm
    You DIDNT watch it did You ? It wasn't about that ?? It was about Australia having The Mark on its DOMESTIC Products !!
    Anonymous
    25th Oct 2014
    10:21pm
    So what I don't understand the problem !! All these odd dietary rules of some ancient desert tribes are odd ..The fact is Islam is closer to the old Judausm than Christianity as developed by Paul..,
    Catholicism
    Off the menu: Meat on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday and all Fridays in Lent - and for Catholics in some dioceses, meat on any Friday. Animal products such as fat, eggs, dairy and broth are permissible, as is fish.
    Why: These acts of self-denial and penance are in observance of divine law that each person should turn from sin and make reparation to God for their sins.
    Also: Fasts from solid food on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday are required of Catholics between the ages of 18 and 59. The intent is spiritual focus, penance and imitation of Christ.
    particolor
    25th Oct 2014
    10:37pm
    STRUTH I'm not going into what the Cat had for Breakfast !! I really couldn't care less about the Whole Damn lot of it because I cant do anything about it !!.. If You want to buy Goodies for Muslims go ahead !! Good Bye ....
    Adrianus
    26th Oct 2014
    8:32am
    parti, Sharia Law is so invasive! Cat food is now Halal Certified.
    Kirrilie has an app coming soon so you can make halal choices. Many companies refuse to label their products but still pay the extortion money. This is a world wide industry worth $2.9t and growing at 20% pa. As I stated on here weeks ago, these people make the Union thugs look like choir boys.
    miss aisle
    27th Oct 2014
    12:18am
    Just managed to watch the 32 mins.
    Still in shock! And in state of disbelief.
    Now can understand the outrage expressed about halal food/extortion!
    Defitinitely must not be apathetic - we must act as if our lives depend on it!
    Thank you so much for researching this & pointing it out!
    miss aisle
    27th Oct 2014
    12:18am
    Just managed to watch the 32 mins.
    Still in shock! And in state of disbelief.
    Now can understand the outrage expressed about halal food/extortion!
    Defitinitely must not be apathetic - we must act as if our lives depend on it!
    Thank you so much for researching this & pointing it out!
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    6:51am
    That was the Mild dose Miss Aisles !! I wont Torture You with the other things I read !! ..
    My cat screws His face up at that Halal cat food and told Me it tastes like Rancid Goats Droppings !!
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    10:12am
    Yes, I sat through the whole 32mins. Just couldn't pull myself away. It was shocking to think that we have let this extortion continue unabated. However, we have allowed the unions and their bikie mates to do the same. But the sophistication and stealth of the Islamic movement is unprecedented. Business owners just want peace and time to work on their business without distraction so they pay up. They don't want trouble, so they say nothing. The reason for this is simple. They have everything riding on the outcome of their business. They have to operate with the Bank Managers hand gripped tightly around their throat.
    miss aisle
    27th Oct 2014
    10:46am
    As a previous business person, my heart goes out to the affected people giving
    their blood, sweat & tears towards making a living & providing for their community.
    Talk about being between a rock & a hard place :(
    New laws have to be introduced.
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    10:55am
    Your Local Mosque is working on that as You Write !!
    miss aisle
    27th Oct 2014
    10:59am
    After such a mindboggling revelation, very surprised there isn't a stampede of
    comments!
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    11:06am
    I think everybody is forever Holding their peace ? In Fear of Futuristic Events !
    Ill bet Alf doesn't say Stone The Crows any more ??
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    11:07am
    Yes I too have had years in business and it's very hard to operate with different groups pulling in every direction. These people are the backbone of our country and deserve better.
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    11:13am
    parti there are evil forces at play and many will hide from the unknown.
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    11:16am
    I just had a Thought Frank that could save You Money !! Inquire if Your Halal Injection is Tax Deductable ??
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    11:18am
    What injection?
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    11:27am
    Donation !!....
    Its Bloody Extortion !! I cant go around to the Biscuit Factory and say...If You don't Cough Up We wont eat Your Biscuits !!
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    11:38am
    I think we have drifted far from the Detention Centre and are now talking about their employment after being granted Asylum !!
    Asylum Seekers with a Mission...
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    11:45am
    The point of this discussion was "the cost of asylum seekers." In order to calculate the actual cost firstly one needs to include all costs to the community and secondly one needs to be a mathematical genius. I can scan through the former but will leave it to others to define the latter.
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    12:20pm
    Its Incalculable Frank !! Because I cant factor in the Lawyers fees at $100 per Photo copy of documents !! I say just give them time off for good behaviour, and Ship Em off Home !! How Humane is that !!
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    12:38pm
    The government are seeking assurances from labor if they ever get back into government will they not dismantle the asylum seeker policy and open the borders again. Labor are dragging their heels but are starting to come around, maybe?
    It was always a political ploy with labor. They took one on the chin for the Greens.
    miss aisle
    27th Oct 2014
    4:50pm
    particolor 12:20pm - "..just give them time off for good behaviour..."
    Let's give them a "well-earned holiday" somewhere !
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    5:32pm
    Yes !! After they pay back the Money for Trashing the Camp !!
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    6:38pm
    miss aisle, 10.59am . You don't suppose people have become afraid to speak up?
    miss aisle
    27th Oct 2014
    7:32pm
    Frank - Well naturally, the muslims would not want to jump up & down too much showing their approval of the food extortion,
    but thought that others would be outraged enough, not to be
    intimidated.
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2014
    12:12pm
    miss aisle, I think the government's new anti terror laws have driven people like nas underground.
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    9:32pm
    Clever Little Termites those Arabs ! They are Buying us out with our own money !
    And Centrelink and the government is to Dopey to see it ??..
    We will soon be Highly MECCANISED !!
    battiejl
    26th Oct 2014
    12:39pm
    Close them all up and send them ALL back to their own countries - if they have a problem there then let them fight their battles there not in Australia sooner we sink one before it lands the better it is the only way to stop them. Send them all back including the illegal babies being born in Australian hospitals.

    Dont want them here
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    1:48pm
    Where's the KNIGHTS TEMPLAR when you need them ??
    Adrianus
    26th Oct 2014
    2:12pm
    A chicken farmer was asked to pay $40,000 pa to have his chickens halal certified. Of course this money needs to be recouped for the farmer to stay in business therefore we pay the halal money which is used for what? We are getting screwed, while our politicians play politics.
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    2:19pm
    That's Why they gave them selves that last Pay Rise !! They are Getting Screwed Too !!
    Adrianus
    26th Oct 2014
    7:42pm
    parti my life has been far too busy to notice what was going on. I have adult children who will want to live in Australia and perhaps raise a family.
    I had no idea this was happening. I am absolutely ashamed of my apathy and ignorance. I will call on my local member this week to see what the situation is.
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    7:57pm
    Frank It came as SHOCK to Me to the Advanced state of it ?? I said to a Friend about 15 Years back I Smell a Rat and that friend is still a Close Friend and local !! She said Why cant You be Wrong Sometimes ??..I said its only Intuitions I get and always have had !! I usually take things with a Grain of Salt, but this one is a Big pain in the butt for the future I think !!..
    Anonymous
    26th Oct 2014
    9:00pm
    Could you explain to me the problem ..If a company as part of its advertising budget wants to appeal to a huge market surely that's their decision .
    Anonymous
    26th Oct 2014
    9:03pm
    What's wrong with us knights Templar we call ourselves Masons now...We are not Christians but all our welcome ..We only believe in one Grand Architect..,
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    9:07pm
    I haven't got one, I grow My own !!
    Anonymous
    26th Oct 2014
    9:11pm
    Aah Aah you don't understand how Murdoch is illuminate . Ask Mussitate .
    The Priory of Scion exists. Please realize that the History Channel is owned by a gatekeeper illuminati who's job it is to hide the truth. If Jesus and Mary had children and the lineage progressed ...it will also transgress unknowingly to many and spread past the official "SANG REAL" line. Ponder this...Jesus died over 2,000 years ago approximately how many children could possibly have his blood.
    Anonymous
    26th Oct 2014
    9:12pm
    And ....,
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    9:12pm
    So do I ..KARMA !
    Anonymous
    26th Oct 2014
    9:16pm
    But Soloman who is Jewish /English so is twice over a chosen one ..Is not only a seventh dan Knight of illuminate ..But also aaaaaaaghh
    Anonymous
    26th Oct 2014
    9:19pm
    My last words THE MOSSAD MI6 And NSA are ..........
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    9:26pm
    I understand a lot more than You think I do ! I just don't waste Whole Reams of Precious Paper Trying to explain it !! I leave that to others !! I know lots of People Who think they Have The Royalist of Blood !!.. They still fall over and Skin their Knees !..
    particolor
    26th Oct 2014
    9:31pm
    Yes I got the Soloman bit !!
    Anonymous
    26th Oct 2014
    10:04pm
    Do they bleed blue though ,,,
    Anonymous
    26th Oct 2014
    10:06pm
    Wish I could tell you more but I am still covered by the Official Secrets Act..
    miss aisle
    27th Oct 2014
    12:22am
    Pete - Unable to understand one iota of your line of reasoning!
    But please, don't explain!
    Anonymous
    27th Oct 2014
    1:21am
    Thanks....
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    6:33am
    Pete.. Dads a Mason .. He can keep a secret ..I Know Nusink ??
    wally
    27th Oct 2014
    12:42pm
    If companies that want their products certified as Halal have to pay to have this done, who do they have to pay and where does the money ultimately wind up? Not Islamic charities like ISL, I trust.
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    1:14pm
    wally the businesses pay to AFIC which distributes the money to anything Islamic.
    I imagine that as a religion it is a so called not for profit so no tax is paid on the many millions extorted. The ALP/Union movement will be taking note of this operation with envy.
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    5:29pm
    So our Country wasn't good enough for you the Way It Was Ay ??

    Well now We are OFFENDED !!
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    6:08pm
    parti, you have it all wrong! You cannot be offended if it can be proved that you are part of a majority group! Nice try!
    particolor
    28th Oct 2014
    3:13pm
    Now I'm a Bigot and OFFENDED !!
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2014
    4:01pm
    I have been called a bigot, a racist and a homophobic, (and that's just on this site) but I'm still not offended because I'm in a majority group. It is a catch 22. I have found, If you are a middle aged heterosexual, good looking, intelligent, self reliant, fair minded, beer drinking, male you are not part of a minority group and therefore cannot be offended.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2014
    4:27pm
    All of that and Still OFFENDED !!..
    Detention Centre FREE Ciggarette Bill 1.4 Million Dollars a Year ??? ..They will be Suing us Sooner or later for Lung and Throat Cancer !! With Our Lawyers !! . I certainly hope these Ciggy's were Halal Authority Certified or they will have us for that Too !!.. One person on the Site Commented...What's Next ? A Wine List ?........
    Goole Ciggarettes in Detention Centres......
    unicorn
    27th Oct 2014
    7:40am
    What amused me on the evenings Local news was about a small firm declaring that they were Halal certified and the fuss it has caused in theur town, they said it was a matter of business that tgey declared it, this amused me s their halal product was buiscuits, they are meat free ? Surry I don't believe that this decision has bought millions of dolllars into their sales.
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    7:59am
    Yes but their Bikkies are now Much Yummyer !!
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    9:51am
    Bill Shorten may not be able to remain silent when 2 people love each other but the Islamic movement CAN, it seems. At least in the short term while they plot their move to have the ALP Halal Certified! A vote for laybar is a vote for halal certification.
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    10:05am
    How much will the Annual Fee be Please ??
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    10:17am
    You may want to ask the labor whip?
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    10:59am
    Do I have to Stoned Before or After asking ??
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    11:12am
    Either way you need rocks in your head to submit.
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    11:41am
    I think I've worked out Where the People Smugglers get their Money From ??
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    11:48am
    où vas-tu mon ami ??
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    12:22pm
    Whats that in French ?? Baggage Handlers Wages ??
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    12:33pm
    where are you going my friend? I thought you may have been a Frenchy. You sometimes sound like someone I know.
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    12:57pm
    Where do the people smugglers get their money?
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    3:55pm
    From the Halal Approved Bacon Factory I think ??
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    6:10pm
    Yes, that's what I'm thinking. There is a reason the Islamists keep all this so secret.
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    6:29pm
    I fail to even see the legality of it ??? If You don't give us a Big Bag of Gold and prepare Your food and every other Bloody thing in the Country the way WE Want it !
    We Will ! We Will !!.........
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    6:35pm
    No different from saying. 'If you give us a big bag of money we can make sure you have industrial peace.'
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    6:43pm
    Zakly ! Zakly !!
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    6:58pm
    Want some more Good reading Frank ?? Google ...Left Handed Halal...
    And Scroll down the list !! I'll read some more later !! ..
    I like the Left Handed Slaughterman so far !!.. What a Crock !!
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    7:26pm
    Only use the fingers on the right hand for counting. Well I have a problem with thish, sorry exshushe me a have been drinking. What if your family is bigger than 5 as ish the case at average 8.1.
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    7:58pm
    I read some funny stuff in the comments on there Frank !
    And with 4 Wives and 36 Kids the Dole must be HALALUJAH !!!
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2014
    8:21pm
    The school kids bonus alone would be $30,000 wouldn't it?
    particolor
    27th Oct 2014
    8:38pm
    Yes give or take a Shekel !!
    nightie
    28th Oct 2014
    3:18am
    Interesting how many asylum seekers/refugees return to their homeland for holidays..........if they are truly experiencing the risk of persecution in their homeland how come they return to it? I think that if they are returning to their homeland for a holiday they should pay their bill for food and shelter and medical bills from the detention centres, and how many are there who are going to sue the government with the help of the bleeding hearts for mental illness "resulting from" being in detention? Are other countries where the facilities are not the standard we have being sued for "mental illness"?
    miss aisle
    28th Oct 2014
    12:02pm
    I think we have many problems of our own - homelessness, health, suicide, disability, aged care...that could be addressed with much more effort & finance, without
    the added of burdens of gatecrashers who expect regular handouts costing billions
    $s.
    While Labor was in power, 200,000 forced their way in by air & sea.
    Many have returned to their home voluntarily, as conditions were better there than
    our detention centres! (which some of our homeless people could reside in)
    The govt. (especially Labor) have made big mistakes allowing so many to come here.
    Only countries that have soft laws & wrong priorites get sued, otherwise there's no point. We cannot say we have money - Labor put us in $billions debt!
    particolor
    28th Oct 2014
    1:28pm
    That case will not proceed !! They were Mental before they even Hit the Detention Centres !!..
    moke
    28th Oct 2014
    2:53pm
    WOW! the government must think we are a lot of idiots, when our own residents are limited to the amount of medical care available. and then they want us to pay a 'little' extra to see the DOC. Perhaps the Politicians should have to pay for everything and use the savings to help our own unfortunate people, especially the country people who have to travel long distances for assistance.
    wally
    29th Oct 2014
    11:33am
    You are discussing a little legacy leftover from Kevin Rudd's bright idea to reverse Howard's policy on the boat people.
    JB
    29th Oct 2014
    2:48pm
    No, the Billion Dollar Bill is too much. The Detention/Refugee Centres MUST be turned over to the UNCHR to Administer, after all it is their job. The UNCHR has criticized Australia's Centres. So let them do the job they are supposed to be doing. Looking after Refugees is not Australia's responsibility until after they have been granted a Visa.
    particolor
    29th Oct 2014
    3:06pm
    Take the Cost out of their Halal Authority Extortion Funds !!..Case Solved
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    8:28am
    Yes, Angelina Jollie will know how to do it much better!
    Kato
    29th Oct 2014
    7:01pm
    http://www.partyforfreedom.com.au/2014/10/28/south-africas-white-genocide-why-is-the-world-silent/
    particolor
    29th Oct 2014
    7:13pm
    I just wrote above ! ..After watching Tonight's News 29.10.2014. I'm not Offended ! I'M DISGUSTED !!!!.. Who let those Bloody Animals into this Country !!
    And More How the Bloody Hell are they Going to Get Them Out Now ????
    Adrianus
    29th Oct 2014
    7:48pm
    What animals??
    particolor
    29th Oct 2014
    7:56pm
    You didn't see it ay ! Well there was a Moron or two in a Mosque in Australia Training Children to kill for Islam waving Black flags about and yelling about the takeover and other crap !!
    Adrianus
    29th Oct 2014
    8:28pm
    Cripes, what is going on??? Who let these idiots into our beautiful country??? If any idiots vote labor, Greens or Independents next election then I am going to capitulate.
    particolor
    29th Oct 2014
    8:34pm
    Frank I think we are the only two Who watched the News tonight ?? I thought the Web would light up !! But I think everyone has dived under the bed ?? They don't want to be First !!.. Cant wait to see the Reaction Tomorrow !!
    particolor
    29th Oct 2014
    8:47pm
    Frank I turned the Radio on for a change to listen to the talk back tonight out of Interest !! And the first thing I heard was the announcer (Talkback Host ) say.. There are a lot of jobs being cancelled in the Suburbs because of Arab Protests ?? WTF ??
    particolor
    29th Oct 2014
    8:51pm
    And they Yell like Hell when their Centrelink payment doesn't turn up ?? What ??..
    I'm getting outta here !!
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    8:27am
    News about the death of the high ranking Australian Dasher sounds real. Will Sarah Hanson-Young be urging the government to fly the body back for a state funeral?
    With full honours?
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    8:38am
    I would certainly Hope So !!
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    8:41am
    And Embalm Him in Vegemite before the Funeral !!
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    10:47pm
    parti, on the news tonight the government now have footage taken in the Lakemba Mosque of a brainwashing Dash workshop. All dressed in the Dash uniforms and flags while up on stage were kids being indoctrinated, one was only 6 years old. Chanting that the west were evil and needed to be rubbed out.
    We are done if labor get back in. :(
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    11:01pm
    I saw the full version of it Yesterday and Was Disgusted that they ever let those People into this Country !! .It may not be the best place on earth But FAR BETTER than where those Clowns came From !! And if our Government had any Guts at all the would be on their way back Home NOW !!
    Adrianus
    1st Nov 2014
    8:46am
    parti we have a responsibility for Australian citizens. They need to be brought back to stand trial. Very strange how our SAS troops are waiting on visas which will take another 2 weeks? Something very strange about that. Julie Bishop looked frustrated when explaining it. These people don't seem to have much intelligence. Piers Akerman wrote a brilliant article the other day if you're interested in reading?

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/caught_in_the_play_school_of_pure_evil/
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    9:27am
    And here's one for You and others if they are at all Interested ??...
    The ADF Islam and Australian Values ...You/Tube...
    Watch all of the clips there if time permits and an understanding Might be had of this MOBS Intensions !! Read the Comments if Your Broad Minded !!
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    9:30am
    How would You like to walk around dressed like that for the Rest of Your life Frank ?? That's if they let You live ??
    Adrianus
    1st Nov 2014
    9:41am
    Yep, already saw that. The collective PC attitude of Australia reminds me of workers who are too busy looking busy to be busy (or productive.)
    Australia is more concerned about looking good rather than doing good. That is PC at work.
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    9:47am
    Nobody has stopped to look behind them ??.
    I'm off to get a Nighty and Tea Towel !!..
    Australia will be Highly MECCANIZED Soon !!
    miss aisle
    1st Nov 2014
    6:31pm
    Frank - Always enjoy reading Piers Akerman's comments. Thanks
    Adrianus
    1st Nov 2014
    7:11pm
    miss aisle, Piers is brilliant isn't he? I saw him on the insiders last year I think and I thought, gee he wont get invited back. UK have a real problem and I guess we need to ask ourselves, do we want to go down that road? 37% of young Muslims in the UK want Sharia Law. wtf?
    miss aisle
    1st Nov 2014
    10:56pm
    I used to think that in 40 or 50 years, the face of our society will not be quite the same, but with so much going on now, it may be unrecognisable.
    Targeting the young & very young/ brainwashing their innocent minds/taking their
    learned hatred into future generations.
    Hope the do-gooders take their blinkers off.
    Not Senile Yet!
    1st Nov 2014
    4:14pm
    What is really missing in the Number crunching is that the detention centre off-shore....to deny legal rights for asylum seekers.....is an American Political agenda....just like the £££""$$%% Bay idea!!!!
    But guess who owns the Contracted Company being paid the millions to run theses centres.......yep.....American Owned ......and all the profits go Off-shore!!!!
    Not sure our Governments (Both Parties) are spending our tax dollars wisely in this area.....seems wasteful....and in contravention of the Australian Ethic!
    Give them working Visas subject to Non-violence or breaking our laws for 2 years then review their position after that time.
    Renewal of a further 2 years again subject to being law-abiding and self sufficient......employed!
    After 5 years and not on un-employment......but self sufficient and law abiding....allow permanent residency subject to normal Australian Citizenship requirements......ie swear allegiance to Australia and Australia's Laws......or Go Home!!!!
    miss aisle
    1st Nov 2014
    4:23pm
    That's OK for ordinary people without an ulterior motive.
    Can't trust them!
    Adrianus
    1st Nov 2014
    4:34pm
    Islamists made me sit up and take notice when they objected to women on Cronulla beach wearing bikinis. They were so offended by the sight that it caused a riot. Now they hold hate sessions in the Lakemba Mosque. Guess who they are hating?
    Not Senile Yet!
    1st Nov 2014
    4:19pm
    If Assylum Seekers break our Laws....they break their contract for their Working Visas and are automatically put on a Flight to their Country of Origin without exception!!!
    Most Refugees.......genuine or not...... would not wish for that to happen and would seek to create a new and better life here!
    Give them a go....subject to conditions.
    Locking them up is not the way to go and a waste of human resources!!!
    Adrianus
    1st Nov 2014
    4:26pm
    Why would they need a working visa?
    After 5 years in Australia only 10% of them are working and 95% of asylum seeker households are on Welfare.
    miss aisle
    1st Nov 2014
    4:27pm
    I'd say, don't allow them to become Aussies - so they cannot vote.
    What about the thousands born here?
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    4:54pm
    I thought Spy World had Struck us ?? Couldn't Reply without logging On ??
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    4:59pm
    Maybe counting the Infidels for a Seeing Too ??
    Here's on for Your Viewing Pleasure Miss A and Frank !!
    Is Islam Intolerant ( Part1/2) ?... You/Tube ...
    Happy Viewing :)
    miss aisle
    1st Nov 2014
    6:21pm
    parti -the more I read the more I need a bex & a good lie down, ugh!
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    6:34pm
    So Your not into Horror Movies ?? ..
    Comments ( Reply) were Missing when I came here earlier and I thought we were under Surveillance ?? .. But the Thunderstorms and Blackout Did it I think ?? We are Having another Storm Now !!..
    Glad You saved some Bex !! Boy! would they be Mature ??
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    6:37pm
    Did You see part 2 ? Its on top of the list on the Right same page !!.. Good for a Nightmare !!
    Adrianus
    1st Nov 2014
    7:15pm
    parti, The political Islamic movement is the problem. It makes laws denies women the right to divorce, stones people to death, sexual apartheid 100 lashes for fornication stoning for adultery. wtf?
    They had a gay Muslim who said are not just killing homos in Iraq where he came from, they are killing everyone in Iraq.
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    7:42pm
    yes and they are the Nice Folk the government bought here to reside Peacefully among us !! And I see they are living up to their Reputation here Now ?? WTF !!..
    miss aisle
    1st Nov 2014
    11:45pm
    particolor - I clicked on the right one this time - saw both.
    That islamic babble - always trying to talk over others, - they're just full of it!
    Adulterers should be stoned to death, fornicators - 100 lashes, calling Jesus a
    prophet (not so). Tolerant ??
    Jesus' words are tolerant - "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
    deedee
    3rd Nov 2016
    8:06pm
    we do not have enough working aussies to sustain welfare bill asit is and not enough jobs so send them all home we cannot be compassionate but have to be realistic do the numbers make sure muslins r the 1st ones selected to go back as they believe all westerners r infidels and if they r embracing our culture y the need to wear face coverings (berkas) with all these cultures too many aussie traditions r challenged, they do not mix well and stick to old beliefs if I chose to live in a country I would embrace their way of life instead if we get many more it is us real aussie born who will b having to adapt/ look after our needy and old age pensioners first and foremost enough refugees is enough no more money spent as all they do is breed to get on the good old full paying welfare even if they could work they don't need to as they get too much on welfare to need to even adapt to being a contributing member of society and their progeny then live the same way and it's a never ending takefest of handouts. pauline has the right idea antone with half a brain can figure that out! definitely STOP THE BOATS Paricolour GET WITH IT THERE IS NO BOTTOMLESS PIT TO SHARE IF U WANT THEM U SUPPORT THEM AND ANYONE ELSE WHO FEELS THE SAME DONATE HALF YOUR EARNINGS FOR WHAT U BELIEVE IN? but don't expect majority of taxpayers to fit the bill millions spent already with no end in sight for goodness sake politicians ACT NOW stop talkfesting!
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2016
    8:47pm
    Polly's only listen to their TAKIYYA !! :-( :-( Look it up :-(