Direct Action to pass the Senate

The Federal Government’s $2.55 billion Direct Action climate plan will pass the Senate.

The Federal Government has struck a deal with crossbench senators to pass its $2.55 billion Direct Action climate plan, but won’t be abolishing the Climate Change Authority (CCA) as promised in the election. Instead, the CCA will conduct an 18-month investigation into an emissions trading scheme (ETS).

Palmer United Party’s leader Clive Palmer has done a deal with the Government and changed his stance on the Direct Action policy. In June, Mr Palmer said that the policy was a “waste of money”, but yesterday said he saw a “lot of positive initiatives” and said, “I’m very confident in the minister taking the stand and supporting at least looking at the prospect of an ETS”.

Environment Minister Greg Hunt said the government would achieve its target of five per cent emissions reduction by 2020, and while allowing the CCA to investigate an ETS, the Government was still opposed to a carbon tax.

"We are making a massive saving for Australia, implementing our emissions reduction policies, getting rid of a carbon tax which was having an impact on every family and we're doing it in the only way that was possible and this is a very, very good outcome for the government and for the people," he said.

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Opinion: The Senate stalls progress

Tony Abbott has been Prime Minister of Australia for a total of one year and 42 days, yet we are only now seeing one of his party’s core election promises, Direct Action, passing through the senate.

Earlier this week we saw the Federal Government push through the indexation of the fuel excise by regulation, rather than legislation, in order to bypass the same Senate that stalled the Direct Action plan for so long. The sneaky implementation of the increased fuel excise by the Government this week was a direct slap in the face to the Senate, who most likely would have voted down the legislation change or at very least, held it up for months, even years, with negotiations.

The people of Australia had their say in the last election, voting on the core election issues, yet the move from a carbon tax based system to the Federal Government’s Direct Action plan has taken significantly longer than it should have.  

I understand the need for checks and balances in our legislative process. Healthy debate and difference of opinion is preferable to a dictatorship, but there should be no opposition from the losing side, post-election, on core policies which have the support of the people. All sides of politics need to come to an agreement that they will work together to implement the policies fought over at the next election within a reasonable time-frame and with maximum flexibility.

What do you think? Will the Government’s Direct Action plan work to reduce emissions by five per cent? Is our political system all show and no action? Would politicians’ time be better spent in an office every day rather than publicly slinging insults across the parliament floor? Should core election promises be fast-tracked? 





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    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:35am
    Let me get this straight. The Carbon Tax repeal handed coal, oil and gas producers $8 billion a year courtesy of taxpayers, and electricity priced only went down around 7% (not 70%). And Hunt continues the "bad Carbon Tax" and "you have high electricity prices because of the Carbon Tax" lies? Yeah right.
    So does a $2.55 billion direct action plan pay off justify the hand-out of $8 billion to polluters to continue their polluting?
    This is a ploy. The end game for this government is to kill off any renewable technology so that its vested interests get back their monopoly and continue on with business as usual.
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    3:45pm
    mick, you have selective amnesia.
    The previous labor/unions/greens/independent government handed out almost $30b to these same businesses as carbon tax compensation. That's right they gave out $30b and got back $6.5m.
    It's like going fishing and using a big coral trout as bait to catch a sardine.

    Under this government they are giving nothing to those businesses. I can understand why you lie about the previous government because it was a disaster in many ways.
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    7:45pm
    Frank

    WRONG…. the previous govt DID NOT pay out $30billion to POLLUTERS.

    It DID, however, compensate the ORDINARY people, particularly those on LOW or PENSIONER incomes, however, which did cost some money…..

    HENCE:
    -ordinary income Australians did NOT suffer from this Carbon Tax as they were OVER compensated - ANOTHER MURDOCH LIE;
    -polluters paid for their OWN POLLUTION……. ALL GOOD;
    -polluters could reduce their Carbon Tax by implementing CLEAN infrastructure and undertaking pollution controls….. ALL GOOD;
    -those that where in-between the polluters and the consumer PAID Carbon Tax BUT collected from the consumer and some from subsidies….. AGAIN ALL GOOD.
    -what the polluters paid BOLSTERED the govt income….. ALL GOOD

    NOW, Frank, PLEASE explain in detail WHERE you got the figures of $30billion and $6.5billion because they are 'firfies' ……..simply Murdoch and his Marionettes manipulations and misrepresentations.

    Old adage….. figures don't lie but LIARS can figure!!!!
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    7:56pm
    Mussitate, so you would also agree with the Debt ( figure) racked up by Labor after having a huge surplus at the beginning of its tenure in 2007.
    buby
    30th Oct 2014
    8:16pm
    How do you figure that one Mussi?>? OUr gas went up and electricity went UP. prices all over the joint went UP. SO what did i miss. and i'm just an ordinary aussie. The compensation didn't hardly cover anything pffffffft.
    Goss many companies just put UP their prices>?
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    8:49pm
    Mussitate, don't take my word, check Hansard 30/10/2014.
    Some of the companies the money was paid to were read out by Greg Hunt.
    Adam Bandt was slinked in his chair trying to look smaller and was very sorry he asked the question. The money was squandered indiscriminately regardless of whether they were big polluters. As Hunt explained "all they needed was a bank account." These figures are now available to the public.
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    9:36pm
    Buby….Tax Free levels went from $6000 to $18200 for those earning an income (which was huge) and others received a supplement. The costs of services, obviously, stayed the same.

    niemakawa….. Australia's govt DEBT under Labor was one of the smallest in the WORLD, plus DURING the worst of the GFC, they could afford to look after the economy (best in the world), the environment, those disadvantaged, and our aged. Liberals have performed badly in all these factors and can't even afford to look after its own people with a govt DEBT that has been predicted to double that of Labors..in the near future! Who would have thought. Oh! and that surplus, that was only the DREDGES left by Howard who TAXED Australian's more than any other PM and SPENT more than any other PM…. only difference was he LOCKED in ALL govts. to pay OUR taxes to PRIVATE WEALTHY INSTITUTES so that the wealthy could send their kids to better schools or so they themselves could get better health care. A form of socialism(??) but for the wealthy….. stealing from the poor and average to give to the rich, TAKING PUBLIC money from the poor and average Australians and giving it to the rich and wealthy for THEIR benefit…. yes!

    Again Frank….. those figures are the extraction of facts for the application of the fictitious. Those two figures you gave aren't what they seem… are they Frank.
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    7:59am
    Mr HUNT (Flinders—Minister for the Environment) (15:22): If you want to hear about a money-go-round, let me just run through the $30 billion which, when they were in government, the Labor Party gave as part and parcel of their carbon tax to industry and firms in Australia.

    Under us you get no carbon tax but you get tax cuts. Families get a benefit of $550 and they also get the savings of lower taxes. That is the reality.
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    10:34am
    Mr HUNT: Well, after the 2010 election they did a dirty deal to vote for it (the carbon tax they said they would not have). And then they wrapped up $30 billion to try to compensate the industries that they were demonising. Then after the 2013 election they forgot. They forgot something: that they said they would terminate it. Along the way, as the member for Flynn said, they did terminate a couple of leaders but they never terminated the carbon tax, and when we voted and we pledged and we worked to repeal the carbon tax they stood in its way. They stood in the way of Australians receiving lower electricity and gas prices.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    10:43am
    The normal government propaganda from Frank and niemakawa. Take these posters for what they are mussitate. They do not represent private opinions and their assertions are false.
    Conveniently both of the above posters avoid talking about the GFC (which hit as Labor won office), the fact that Australians were not put out of work like the rest of the developed world and that the repeal of the Carbon Tax was for no other real purpose than for the government to hand its backers in coal, oil and gas both a monopoly to pollute and $8 billion of taxpayer money EVERY YEAR. The effect of repealing the Carbon Tax: nothing other than a measly at best 7% drop in electricity prices (should have been 70%).
    Average Australians know when they have been scammed. They have been scammed! And now we have to listen as those employed in damage control do their best to convince us that black is white.
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    12:07pm
    You are WRONG mick.

    Mr HUNT: They were wrong! In the September quarter, in the first quarter after the carbon tax was repealed we have had the largest decrease in recorded history in Australia with regard to electricity prices. The biggest drop in electricity prices in Australian history. I am delighted to give you some examples. The member for McMahon happens to be from New South Wales. Residential electricity prices under EnergyAustralia are 8.9 per cent lower; residential electricity prices in New South Wales under Simply Energy are 10 per cent lower; small business prices under Simply Energy are nine per cent lower; and Origin Energy has said that, in relation to commercial and industrial customers, it is 15 per cent lower. Those are the exact figures which have been given to the ACCC and for which companies are liable under law. That is what is actually happening in the real world. They pledged they would never have a carbon tax and then they delivered one which hit Australian families for six. They also delivered a massive money-go-round of funds of $9.2 billion to steel, paper, glass, aluminium, zinc and cement firms, and to Queensland Nickel. They also delivered $5.5 billion to the largest energy firms in the country, the very firms which they demonised—brown-coal generators in Victoria. By comparison, we said we would repeal the carbon tax; by comparison, we said that we would reduce electricity costs; by comparison, we did what we said and we said what we would do and that is what we should be doing.
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    12:20pm
    What's WE Plural for ? Bullen Brothers Circus ?.. My Powers gone Up not Down ??.
    MITZY
    31st Oct 2014
    1:31pm
    I'm with Origin Energy and my carbon tax rebate on my October account, calculated as owing to me and applicable from mid-September when they had figures to calculate it, to mid-October was $2.75! My next account will be due in January, it will be fascinating to see how much lower it will be on a full 3 months' account compared to the same quarter for last year.
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    2:24pm
    MITZY, if you live in NSW your price will go even lower next year.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    2:30pm
    What Frank refuses to tell you MITZY is that you are getting back peanuts because the lie of "you have electricity prices because of the Carbon Tax" was never true. Just a lie of convenience to win an election.
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    2:49pm
    What I failed to mention is the Carbon Tax cost the economy $38b. The ACCC which is monitoring prices has reported to the Government that businesses are dropping their prices. Which is further good news. :)
    MICK
    1st Nov 2014
    3:02pm
    Your trolling for the government never ceases to crack me up Frank.
    Your fanciful $38 billion needs a bit of analysis and you can bet your house (or Tony's) that there is some real dodgy accounting in them thar figures.
    When Australia is the last country standing and all the others have an Emissions Trading Scheme (a Carbon TAX!) then we will be hit with a carbon when we export to these countries.
    The trouble with you Frank and this government is that in its haste to send public money to the rich it never looks at the long term implications of policy. Then down the track we all suffer....and people like you try to pin the results on Labor. You and your leader really are "Kerr's cur"!!
    Adrianus
    2nd Nov 2014
    10:44pm
    mick, the only ones sending money to the rich is the labor party. They even gave Clive Palmers company money.
    Abby
    3rd Nov 2014
    8:41pm
    Mitzy
    I just got my Origin Energy Bill and got $36.13 discount and rebate but they did put up the price on my last bill so I guess things are no change but I am seriously thinking about changing my supplier and see if I can improve my lot.

    Has anybody got any thoughts who may be the best supplier in NSW ?
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2014
    10:10pm
    Stay where You are Abby its not worth the Hassle !! I'm with Origin and Have looked around and Nothing is Much Better !! Lots of Promises but I think they are like Tony's ?? Some give You 2 Bob off if You pay on Time ? Big Deal ! I'm always ahead anyway !..Good Luck !! So You noticed the Down was counteracted by an Up !! They are having a See Saw ride I think ??
    Bes
    30th Oct 2014
    10:46am
    The political power game is to oppose almost everything when in opposition regardless of the will of the electorate. The name of the game is 'Power' at all cost!
    Once power is gained, policies and promises are manipulated out of all proportion and the electorate are treated as purely providers of taxation.
    Power first and the Australian electorate second.
    Politicians are supposed to 'manage' the economy to the very best of their ability in the very best interests of the population, first and foremost.
    What we have in reality is a political industry, where we pay politicians when in power and when out of power, in a lot of cases for life! They have nothing to fear whatever diabolical decisions are made in the name of their governments.
    Australia is carrying a political debt, a forever increasing political interest rate that increases as governments come and go. Both federal and state inclusively, for generations to come!
    We have a trillion dollar economy and a very large proportion of it is used up by government for a very poor return to the electorate.
    Politicians should be no different to any Australian worker. Retirement is a plan which we pay into during our working life. Superannuation can only be used upon retirement.
    And when we cease work, we may be eligible for an old age pension.
    Maybe then we will get politicians who will work for Australia to the very best of their ability, both to retain power and to safeguard their own retirement plan!
    MITZY
    30th Oct 2014
    11:20am
    Bess: Succinctly put. Couldn't agree more and I'm sure many countries in our world today don't feed, clothe, provide offices, phone allowances, fuel, transport, travel allowances etc. to retired politicians. I also wonder how many countries provide such generous superannuation benefits to their politicians.

    It's about time we had a female Treasurer, it couldn't be any worse than it is today.
    Women of the world are probably doing a better job of managing the finances of their families as well as going to work and managing the household chores and shopping.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    1:53pm
    You are on the money Bes.
    The only thing I would add is that the current government opposed everything except a pay rise for politicians whilst Labor is letting some things go through. Whilst what you describe is how both sides now play the game this is destructive to the national good and there should always be some common sense common ground rather than vandalism.
    As I keep chirping away: vote in a whole group of Independents and watch the parliament begin to work how it is supposed to work. The unfortunate reality of life is that Australians are conned by slick TV advertising and seem not to be bright enough to work out how to fix the problem. Voting in Independents is what both sides are frightened of as they beg voters not to do this. I suggest that this is the precise strategy which needs to be adopted.
    Sceptic
    30th Oct 2014
    3:10pm
    Yeah Mitzy, that worked well with a female PM didn't it.
    buby
    30th Oct 2014
    3:11pm
    i'M A 100% BEHIND YOU there MItzy/ If my ex husband was anything to go by, i'm sure many men are not much different. And seem Neither are the greedy politicans.
    I kept OUR budget in balance. Lucky i had work because he kept throwing out budget out the window, buying rubbish that was not needed, and keeping for himself what he wanted. don't worry bout the wife and or children who had to be clothed,fed. Then the Bills paid. HE used to always put Us Into deep dooodoo, and i had to Dig us out. Feels like the what the Politicans are doing to us?
    What about the Health, and Education, of our oldies, and children. Don't screw with US ok. Because we will screw with YOU next time WE have to Vote!!!
    Sceptic
    30th Oct 2014
    3:13pm
    Once again Mick, never spoil a good story with the facts. The coalition in opposition voted in favour of 87% of ALP bills, as did the coalition when in opposition to Hawke/Keating. The ALP always have been a party of NO when in opposition.
    buby
    30th Oct 2014
    3:18pm
    YOU name i think should be Septic, not Sceptic/ but Its like owning a home, your first year you spend on everything you need then after that only what you really need. and if you got a big family, many member have to go without stuff. She was probably trying to please all her male workmates, then putting herself in the shite!!
    Thats often how it works. And if you not notice good OLE Kev was in there first, HE was so bad they gave him the flick as fast as they could lol. So what YOU on about Sceptic?
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    3:47pm
    Bes.. I'll give You 12 out of 10 for that Speech !!
    MITZY
    30th Oct 2014
    5:29pm
    Sceptic: I said a "Female" Treasurer, the previous government had a ""Male" Treasurer and the one before that and that and that, and right through to the beginning. It's time for a change!
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    9:36pm
    Sceptic: lying may be a way of life for this government but you do yourself a disfavour by joining this chorus. Your claim is ludicrous and I cannot recall even one bill which Abbott voted for in opposition.
    I'll afford you the opportunity of naming the bills which Abbott did vote for. Speak up dear boy.
    Adrianus
    2nd Nov 2014
    10:46pm
    I'm starting to think you are a labor party troll mick! You must be getting paid big bucks too if you are looking to buy a house in Japan.
    Kato
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:12pm
    Spot on Bes. Politicians should be made to wear jackets with Labels of each business and overseas companies who are the real gov't. And all there major donors. then the voter will get where they are really coming from.
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:37pm
    And a Bar Code on their Forehead so I can Check Their Price !!
    Kato
    3rd Nov 2014
    7:39pm
    Does a scanner pick up zero repeating
    Tom Tank
    30th Oct 2014
    11:14am
    The nature of elections in this country is rather tricky. Governments are usually voted out of office due to voter dissatisfaction rather than the opposition voted in. It is dubious therefore to propose that the Government has a mandate to implement all the policies they put forward at an election. On that basis they would also be constrained to all the promises they made during an election campaign.
    Our system involves two separate Houses in Parliament and the Senate should never become a rubber stamp for what is now Government by the Executive, infact now sometimes by one man acting as if he was President.
    A point in this debate is that with an ETS industry paid for emissions but now despite our "Budget Crisis" the industry will be paid by the taxpayer not to emit Greenhouse Gases. Perhaps I can be enlightened as to where the finance is coming from. It should be borne in mind we are talking about Greenhouse Gases and not particulate emissions. There is a difference.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    1:55pm
    TAXPAYERS Tom. Who else. That is why I am so perplexed that voters were so easily taken in by the "Bad Carbon Tax".....which it never was.
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    10:06pm
    mick, the carbon tax was designed to close down certain businesses. Let's call a spade a spade.
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    12:27pm
    It closed down a few Hydroponic Crops I think, and put them out of Business !!
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    2:34pm
    The Carbon Tax was designed solely so that the planet was not flushed down the sewer, something your employer has no concerns about. Just like the Great barrier Reef is being sacrificed for a short term life coal loader. It never changes. The immediate needs of the rich and their big business interests ALWAYS overshadows the needs of society and the future for our decedents.
    Adrianus
    2nd Nov 2014
    10:50pm
    Have you ever seen the GBR Michael? You should go and have a look at it one day?
    Kato
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:17pm
    Go up to Ningaloo if you want to see Pristine coral the underwater reef is longer than The GBR Thank God most of it is under water as it too would end up like the GBR Stuffed.
    rob101
    30th Oct 2014
    11:18am
    it would be good,if when illustrating articles about Climate Direct Action Plan you didn't use photos of Cooling Towers.They only emit STEAM>

    robert101
    Sen.Cit.90
    30th Oct 2014
    2:34pm
    Rob101; You are quite right Coal Fired Power Station Cooling Towers emit STEAM. Pictures of them in articles are mostly for propaganda purpose; trying to strengthen arguments.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    2:55pm
    Please Illustrate Full Smoke Stack at Peak Hours !!
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    10:27am
    Or the wind farm generators standing idle on a calm, windless day.
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    10:40am
    Or solar panels at night when the sun don't shine.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    10:45am
    Welcome back wally. You are correct about solar panels not working at night. The next frontier is already unfolding: BATTERY STORAGE. They're already out there but the price needs to come down. It will.
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    10:52am
    Or the Coal Fired Power House Standing there Breading Pigeons after they have sold the last Boat Load of Coal to China !!
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    11:49am
    Battery storage? I remember reading that there was not enough lead in the world to produce enough car batteries if the Chinese were to produce cars and take to their roads. This was a long time ago and I do not know about how far battery technology has progressed since then. As far as hybrid cars like the Toyota Prius go, I believe that the batteries in them last about eight years and I presume that they can be recycled. But for now, battery technology is a long way off and needs to be more efficient that it is a present. Unfortunately, this too remains a pie in the sky solution until technology produces truly efficient means of generating power, coal will remain the cheapest option for power production. Unless we embrace the elephant in the room (I'm waiting, particolor, for your contribution here) which is nuclear power.
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    12:01pm
    OOW NO !! X !! Don't like Nukes ! I watch a lot about Battery Storage and Capacitors and there are some good New Ideas being worked on at the moment !!.. I just watch Progress !!
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    2:33pm
    Wally, have you seen what Tesla are doing? I think in their California plant they have poured a lot of dollars into producing a new battery for their vehicles. Their share price has gone through the roof!! So a lot of people have confidence in them. Tesla just need to get the price down and they will. In my opinion they need to turn the roof into a solar panel as well.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    2:36pm
    Frank: Finally some truth my dear troll. And once people can store electricity the days of coal are gone. Tell Tony that the game has not too many more decades, if that, to run.
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    3:37pm
    Frank, your info regarding Tesla is Ok for a sports car and I realize that technological advance tends to start small and then grow as progress is made. I just wonder how long it would take to produce batteries with the capacity to provide electricity storage in sufficient quantity to provide, when used in conjunction with the renewable power sources mentioned, in a suburban environment. AS for you, particolor, I was expecting some weird and wonderful remark about elephant embracing!
    MICK
    1st Nov 2014
    3:05pm
    wally: I went to a Home Show last week. The battery packs are already there but currently much too expensive for an item which only has a 20 year lifespan. Its coming though. Give it time. Tesla is just at the beginning....and the fact that our ignorant governments (both sides) have let American companies buy our lithium mines is a sign that they're tooling up.
    Adrianus
    3rd Nov 2014
    10:14am
    The whole world is wondering that wally.
    MITZY
    30th Oct 2014
    11:30am
    Drew: When Palmer provided the Coalition with the means to abolish the carbon tax, he did indicate at the time the proviso of an ETS at a time when other countries were heading in the same direction. For once he stuck to his previous rhetoric.

    I only hope he and the other PUP Senators are the catalyst for precluding the Coalition implementing the $7 Co-Payment and the Age Pension method of reduction in its pay rises to CPI instead of "Male" Average Earnings. I note the government keeps indicating they have a lot of their budget passed, i.e. appropriation bills etc.
    Why isn't anyone keeping the fire burning on these two items on behalf of the aged pensioners?
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    1:58pm
    Politics MITZY. Palmer realises that many countries still have very low baselines or none at all at present. So his assertion appears to be politicing to get him through the next election in tact.
    You have to realise that Palmer owns a coal mine. As a result he wanted neither the Carbon Tax nor the Mining Tax, no matter what he was saying.
    Pushkin2
    30th Oct 2014
    11:39am
    An opposition overawed by a newly elected government capitulates and allows anything to pass through parliament no matter how wrong. Isn't that what happened in Germany in the 1930's?
    Polly Esther
    30th Oct 2014
    12:10pm
    Aufmerksamkeit, weib nicht. Bitte erklaren Sie uns.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    2:00pm
    Bad German doctor. Do a refresher course!
    Isn't the time frame above when Hitler was coming to power? If so I seem to recall that Hitler left a number of bodies in his rise to the top.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    2:51pm
    Nine Undenstanden Mein Her ??
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    3:03pm
    particolor: nicht verstehen mein Herr.
    Get it right mate.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    3:24pm
    Who Given Flukken Mein Herr !!
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    4:21pm
    Under our political system as a constitutional monarchy, The Queen, through her representative has the power to dismiss a sitting Government. Actually that power should have been exercised when Gillard was in the senior officer in charge. But the CG at that time was and still is the mother-in-law of another Labor hack Mr Shorten, so used her influence to avoid a dismissal A LA WHITLAM. Money was being spent left right and centre without any conscience as to how their failed policies would be funded. Unfortunately we are left with the NDIS and Gonski reforms, hopelessly under funded with little or no overall benefit to Australians at large. I hope the Government will repeal these as well. Australia is in good hands with Mr Abbott at the helm. Yes things maybe a difficult in the short term but the long term benefits for ALL is their focus. Stick with the LNP if you care about our future.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    5:34pm
    I think You and a few others will be standing in line for a Knighthood, in the New Years Honours List after that !!
    buby
    30th Oct 2014
    8:13pm
    Parti I wanna night hood too ppfffft. but you have a bad attitude mate. Remembering the history of what went down, and making sure it doesn't repeat is most important!!! Herr Parti>>??
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    8:16pm
    Particolor, I have my fingers crossed. Thank you for your moral support on this issue.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    9:42pm
    niemakawa: what a joke you are sir. Another propaganda post. So your Party should be using the Governor General to dismiss every Labor government? What an arrogant little pipsqueak you are. The cheek of you. Maybe every Labor Opposition needs to dismiss every Liberal government for sending public money to the rich??? Do you get the point?
    Please crawl back under your rock as you are offensive to decent Australians expecting a fair go...even in politics.
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    2:46pm
    Good Post niemakawa!! Bryce was put in an awkward position , but also too was Tony Abbott. I know this will drive mick crazy, but it appears to me that Abbott didn't act because his prime motivation is to bring people together.
    I remember people wondering why the Queen did not take any action at the time. But everything worked out well in the end. The Unions allowed Gillard to stay 4 days past her 3 years which provided her a lotto win every year for the rest of her life and free travel to Canberra for Tim etc.
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    3:30pm
    I wonder if I can lower Myself down the Drain and Drag Up Some Old SLUDGE ??

    30th Oct 2014
    12:00pm
    Drew I think an explanation of what direct action and indirect action are would have been useful.
    indirect action is a carbon credit trading scheme . Run by traders on the market . Credits are created by ? And bought by those emitting CO2 to keep doing so . This would in Australia's case be a huge transfer of wealth oversesa.

    Direct action is running more efficient cars . Putting scubbers on power stations , switching to gas or nuclear for electricity generation .
    This has been done in the USA and resulted in the biggest drop in Co2 emissions of any country .
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    2:01pm
    I have not seen anything associated with Direct Action" which is other than yet another feel good slogan. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    2:04pm
    Exactly that is why the US has reduced its CO2 output by more than any other country..,Proof of the pudding ....
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    3:04pm
    Is that true Pete? Can you provide some further information please.
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    3:56pm
    mick, let's hope that the government are not spending $2.5b on feel good slogan signage.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    4:09pm
    What YUCKY Pudding !! Its full of Sulphur ?
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    9:45pm
    Troll Frank: the government has removed the Debt Ceiling and has increased the national debt by $30 billion in less than a year. I hope you feel good about that. I don't and all Australians need to ask why this government has broken yet another promise..........which is what it will remembered for after the next election.
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    10:09pm
    ALP debt. They are so petulant they wouldn't even increase the debt ceiling before they left. And you are fully aware of that mick.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    10:15pm
    Never mind !! Tony opened the Sun Roof in a Hail Storm ??
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    10:48am
    Your desperation is so bad Frank that you now blame the previous government for things it never even intended doing let alone did.
    Tony Abbott and his government REMOVED THE DEBT CEILING so that they could borrow to infinity. The proof of that pudding is the fact that as the world slowly returns to normality this government has increased the debt by $30 billion in 1 year and paid off nothing. Watch this space!
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    2:55pm
    mick, I was listening to Abbott and Hockey in opposition asking why the Gillard/Bowen/Rudd (jeez these guys were all over the shop) weren't going to apply for the increase in the debt ceiling.
    Don't take my word, check Hansard and see for yourself!
    Anonymous
    3rd Nov 2014
    7:18am
    http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2013/05/whats-behind-the-good-news-declines-in-u-s-co2-emissions/
    Supernan
    30th Oct 2014
    12:16pm
    Totally agree with Mick ! Also the reason all the bills are being held up is because they are either direct opposites to what was promised or will hurt those who can best afford it. The Direct Action plan is full of ridiculous ideas.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    2:04pm
    As I said above Clark we are yet to see if anything other than talk comes from Direct Action. Given that this government is transferring wealth I suspect that this is nothing other than window dressing as the money flows from poor to rich.
    rob101
    30th Oct 2014
    12:17pm
    Recently the University of East Anglia(the Go To Body) on Climate Change,said that the Earth is Slowly heating up,will continue to do so,and THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT !

    Robert 101
    Polly Esther
    30th Oct 2014
    12:32pm
    it'll make you hot under the collar, that's all.
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    12:33pm
    rob, are you saying that a tax which pushes up prices and makes us suffer will have no effect at all?
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    2:11pm
    Being a government troll Frank you are so full of crap.
    The exact opposite of what you state is true. The effect of repealing the Carbon Tax are:

    1. an immediate and ongoing tax cost to Australians of $8 billion every year. This comes about because that is what coal, oil and gas miners get to keep. So the polluting will never end!
    2. Australians will now pay for their (dirty) energy forever as renewables are essentially FREE, a concept lost on a troll.
    3. Eventually Australia will face a tax to export because other countries will have clean energy and this dinosaur of a country will have dirty energy. The irony is that this is what I suggested before and during the election campaign to refute the (false) Abbott claim that: jobs will be lost".
    4. Australians were duly compensated for the introduction of the Carbon Tax. Of course being a troll you omit to tell readers that. Did not the tax free threshold go from $6000 to $18000 pa? Forget that Frank?

    At least Solomon owned up to paid government being a troll. Come on Frank tell it like it is.
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    3:51pm
    mick, nobody earing less than $18k was paying tax anyway. The move was a good one because it saves a lot of needless paperwork, but don't try selling it to low income earners as a gift because it makes you appear less intelligent than I think you are.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    4:05pm
    It always had me wondering how Intelligent someone thinks someone isn't ??
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    9:49pm
    Frank: dumb statement but why am I not surprised. Very few people earn less than $18000 pa. You are AGAIN manipulating the truth. Nothing at all to do with paperwork. This was about compensating Australians for any effects of the Carbon Tax.
    tj
    30th Oct 2014
    1:08pm
    Previously the climate change authority put forward their opinions according to what suited the Gillard and the Greens stance.Be interesting now,suppose it will go along with the man who payed his way into govt.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    2:13pm
    I do not know if what you say is correct or not. I would certainly hope not. But they were like minded so maybe your observations are alluding to that. Do you have any hard evidence tj as I would be interested in that?
    EELS
    30th Oct 2014
    7:49pm
    Not clear to what or who you are alluding that 'payed' (paid perhaps) his way into Government tj.
    Simo
    30th Oct 2014
    2:13pm
    You will never get the Politicians to change to a system other than what they have as they will loose out on the good Life at the Expense of the TAXPAYERS ( O.H that's right they pay Taxes TOO (Hmm!, do they ) and as for Women running the Government Finances , I certainly think most Women could do it better then Joe Hockey { Real Estate Sales MAN - Failed } and YES make them earn their Money - Show at the Parliament sitting then no pay, and at least make them act sensible and listen to the questions and answers not just b3ehave worse then Children
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    3:09pm
    The best way to change the system is to outlaw campaign contributions of all sorts, but then the public would have to fund election campaigns. If we limited the amount spent by each politician to say $100 000 then it might work as long as there were very specific laws brought in with significant custodial sentences for those who wanted to be creative and go around the laws.
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    2:58pm
    mick the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government paid back the both lots of $10m and another $10m donations they received from the Unions. Is that what concerns you?
    MICK
    1st Nov 2014
    3:08pm
    I saw some proposed changes for state government but am not sure that you can prevent corrupt payments from big business to the Liberal Party. We all know that the fossil fuel industry was behind this government.
    Adrianus
    2nd Nov 2014
    3:46pm
    mick, just on that $20m that the unions gave the labor party for election advertising. Did labor pay that back to the unions from taxpayer funds?
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    2:46pm
    What have they Dreamt Up Now ??
    Gas Up !!
    Gasoline Up !!
    Electricity Up !!
    My Temerature Up !!..
    Ability to Pay Down !!
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    3:14pm
    I think that a management review might call that a bottom up review.
    We all need to go to a third world country particolor to truly appreciate that which we all have. Fiji is close enough and if you go to one of the villages you will understand what I am talking about. You are king mate. Thank the Lord.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    3:20pm
    And pass the Sao's
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    9:51pm
    And the kava.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    10:10pm
    I'll Drink to that !!.. PTTTT!!... This Kava tastes like Fermented Coconut Milk ??
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    10:31am
    Nuke it up? Bottoms up?
    wally
    1st Nov 2014
    12:37am
    Throw up?
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2014
    11:01am
    Give Up !!
    Kato
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:32pm
    throw up
    rob101
    30th Oct 2014
    3:28pm
    By the Way.William Pitt(the Younger)brought in Income Tax, in the British Parliament,I think if Memory serves to Fight the Napolionic Wars.

    Robert 101
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    3:38pm
    Napoleon said What a good Idea !! and started raising Garlic Tax !!
    tj
    30th Oct 2014
    3:53pm
    Mike you seem to always be asking posters for more information ,is it because you really don't know.Also forgive my ignorance but i noticed you keep calling people a troll why? as i am not familiar with the term.Is it intended as an insult?
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    9:57pm
    tj: I am no oracle. Whilst I have a lot of background information you will notice from my blogs that I argue a point with INFORMATION whilst the government trolls on this site cite slogans.
    The reason I call a few posters trolls is because I have established that there are paid bloggers at work on this website, and I dare say others as well. This is the extent of the deceit which this government is involved in. It is shameful!
    If you disagree with anything I say then I welcome your facts. If I am wrong then I am happy to concede. Is this a fair thing?
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    10:39am
    A lot of quotations and references get made citing websites and what the journalists and editorial writers produce. As the cliches "don't believe everything you read in newspapers" applies to tv, radio and internet poss and websites with equal validity. A lot of our commentators in this forum cherrypick items to cite that happen to support their viewpoint. These too should be taken with a grain or twenty of salt.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    10:52am
    Spot on wally.
    Most of the time I look at the track record of a journalist and/or media outlet before I give a reference. You can pick the Murdoch Press a mile away. Where politics is concerned its a no brainer and you know that propaganda is going to be what most likely comes from those sources.
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    12:06pm
    I agree in principle, but you can usually spot the trendy lefty editorial paw prints all over ABC broadcasts on current affairs programs. It is not always what the presenters say, but it is what the guest commentators say that the presenters allow to "go through to the keeper" unchallenged, no matter how outrageous and biased the utterances of the guest might be.
    My favourite ABC presenter, "the Red Menace" aka Kerry O'Brien, never let John Howard go unchallenged when Howard was PM. and sometimes I'd think Kerry was going to burst a blood vessel during the interview. Gawd it was fun to watch!
    But I digress. Fairfax media is also in the thrall of the Left, and so are a lot of TV presenters on the commercial stations, not so much what the come out and say, but sometimes the way the news is slanted and certain issues like global warming are presented as accepted established fact when describing weather phonomena.
    Kato
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:31pm
    Just make your own comment right or wrong. it is a forum not cabinet what any of us old wallies rabbits on about changes Jack S. I f you have to reference something to answer to on this site then I pity you All. Remember Don Chip said they are all Bastards and they LIE hence his saying some one has to keep the bastards honest. and trying that Killed him.
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:40pm
    Everything said in this Parliament has been Passed by the Senate !!..

    30th Oct 2014
    3:51pm
    Quote "Tony Abbott has been Prime Minister of Australia for a total of one year and 42 days, yet we are only now seeing one of his party’s core election promises, Direct Action, passing through the senate"
    This biased reporting at its worst.

    Instead of praising this government for action on promises, you pick ridiculous holes.

    Unlike Labor, this government makes considered decisions. Not fly by night schemes link the pink batt saga

    Well done Tony. Another promise kept.
    tj
    30th Oct 2014
    3:55pm
    Humble apologies meant Mick
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    4:17pm
    OOOH !! MY !!... Double that mans pay !!
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    5:16pm
    Whose - Tony's ?
    Cheap at half the price
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    5:21pm
    Yes !! I've never seen anyone Cheaper !!
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    8:06pm
    The two main core promises were passed a while ago : "Stop the boats" and "The repeal of the Carbon Tax" . This is another one. Eventually all his promises will be kept, although with a few modifications. A Government for the good of ALL Australians.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:00pm
    tj: be aware that Solomon is a paid troll. I have this in writing from Solomon.
    So he cries fowl when his disreputable party has lied its way in, done nothing other than hit up ordinary Australians and when the fat lady is beginning to sing Solomon rolls into the normal lament of victimisation.
    We all know. We all feel betrayed. And we all know what to do about it when the time comes.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    10:20pm
    Mick.. I know from their First Comment which Side of the Tracks they live on !!
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    10:44am
    Nobody that follows the lines of arguments presented here needs a crystal ball and an ouija board to work out where they are coming from.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    10:55am
    Sorry if I paly to the audience too much as some readers may believe that these guys are legitimate people in the community offering legitimate posts, which of course hides the reality of what these people are.
    I find it WRONG that any side of politics is not exposed for employing trolls to spin its lies. But then the Liberal Party is an arm of the rich and their big businesses and corruption and malpractice go hand in hand with the owners.
    Thanks for confirming the bleeding obvious guys.
    mangomick
    30th Oct 2014
    3:59pm
    Is there more to direct action than putting your fingers in your ears and going La La La????
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:02pm
    We al hope so mangmick but we are 1 year down the track and all that has occurred so far is blame and money sent to the rich. So where are the policies to fix a supposed broken nation?
    I am all ears.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    10:22pm
    He cant get the lid off the Tarzans Grip !!
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    4:25pm
    The opposition, Greens and many of the fringe political parties are nothing less than parasites. They are letting Australia flounder by holding back on these important budget changes that have not yet been passed. Shame on them.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    5:12pm
    Yep !! They should Pass Everything put before them Without Question !!..
    I wonder what they are there for ?????
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    5:22pm
    Opposing just for the sake of it is childish and serves no purpose. The Country comes first.
    MITZY
    30th Oct 2014
    5:47pm
    Opposing just for the sake of it is exactly what Abbott did too, they all do it. There are just as many parasites in the Coalition niemakawa, you can't just divvy up your "shame" so one-sidedly!
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    6:01pm
    Yeah Rush it through without Query The Incumbent's would have a Field Day ! Stripping Pensioners !!
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    6:28pm
    Particolor, the debate in the senate has gone on long enough and the Government has listened carefully to the opposition and the rest. Time has come for the outstanding budget matters to be passed. The Country comes first and foremost. No more haggling for political point scoring. Even if Labor promised an extra 200.00 dollars a week to pensioners, I would still not vote for them.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    7:02pm
    No Party Parti ...
    Well I didn't have much of an Idea what this Blog was Really about ? BUT I do now Its about a Secret Deal done with the PUPS about Clearing native Forest with Reckless abandon and Burning it in forest Furnaces and others things !! Now if anyone is at all interested turn Your Radio on and listen to it for Yourself now on 93.5fm !! And make Your own Minds up !!
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    7:05pm
    PS You've missed the Juicy stuff but it may be repeated later tonight ? It sometimes is !!
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:05pm
    You sound like a crony niemakawa and you continue to make the same noises. The normal anti Labor blame game whilst you conveniently paint this disreputable government as a victim. Laughable, really.
    Polly Esther
    30th Oct 2014
    5:21pm
    Frank, why does mick keep on calling you a troll? You don't live under a bridge do you? surely not. Is it name calling because you won't agree with his point of view? At least it makes my day
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    6:15pm
    Doc, mick would be happy if I got kicked off the site, and has said so on many occasions. He has called me every name that he can without getting kicked off himself. Because many of my views are in contrast with micks view he is trying to discredit me. mick thinks ;
    1. people are sheep.
    2. If you repeat something often enough people will believe it.

    It doesn't worry me because I am more interested in the ideas of others.
    I miss having problems to solve to tell you the truth Doc.
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    7:30pm
    Mick is a diehard labor supporter. He is paid by labor to post pro labor anti Lib rants
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    7:58pm
    Frank (some mothers' do 'av 'em) happy to be a failure.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    8:01pm
    I've never seen Him say how good Shorten is Once ? Like others say how Majestic Tony is ??
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:14pm
    Frank: In my defence:
    1. people are easily persuaded by bad people. This is what I mean when I say people are sheep. How do you think this government won the last election?
    2. Read you own posts. But unlike you I am happy to debate on the facts and merit. You, like your boss, are a producer of slogans for the most part. After watching your form for a long time you fall within 3 standard deviations of being a troll. Solomon has admitted this. You will not. It is what it is.
    Solomon: For the benefit of readers I quote you (http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/news/albanese-criticises-terror-laws):

    "I dont know about Frank, but I'm a card carrying member. Unlike union thugs we dont steal members funds
    I am paid a yearly retainer for consultancy services to the party".

    So now you accuse me of exactly what YOU ARE DOING ON THIS WEBSITE...and I do not even vote Labor....but find myself having to defend the Party against disreputable thugs from the Liberal Party.

    The reality is frank that you and several other paid government trolls should not be allowed to do your dirty work on this or any other website. You are grooming people to vote for the devil. I genuinely hope that others are aware of those I am referring to.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:15pm
    You have a way with words particolor. Short, sweet and to the point. Well said. Thanks.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    10:31pm
    If there is any such thing as Constructive Conflict, I like watching it from the Sideline !!
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    10:38pm
    The flying doctor

    TROLL is an internet term and refers to:

    "a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion".

    HERE is a Wikipedia LINK (copy & paste): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

    Govts and other groups do in FACT employ people to present their point of view and scuttle others points of view in the manner as detailed above.

    Frank, Pete & Solomon are such people who could be regarded as TROLLS and Solomon has even stated that he is NOT Australian and is NOT living in Australia but in the USA…. Pete, I believe is in the UK and not sure of Frank…. possibly a home grown paid party animal for the Libs.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    11:03am
    Solomon has admitted he is a card carrying Liberal and that he is paid by the party for "consultancy" services.....trolling.
    Thanks for the clarification Mussitate.
    It is wrong that guys like these are permitted to scam and perhaps there needs to be an inquiry into the misconduct within the once great Liberal Party, which has now turned rabid and needs to be put down.
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    11:19am
    Musso, thanks for the definition of what a troll is. One thing you left out, though, is that a troll happens to be anybody who expresses an opinion I/you/we might disagree with. Sort of a beauty is in the eye of the beholder sort of thing. So to pinch a line from Robert Crumb, "KEEP ON TROLLING" everybody. It does make the site interesting, after all.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    12:04pm
    wally: there are 'opinions' based on personal beliefs and there is propaganda meant to deceive dressed up as 'opinions'.
    I am happy to debate any point of view but I have reached the age where I have developed an intolerance od those who are not the real McCoy.
    We need informed debate, not government sponsored trolls grooming us.
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    3:48pm
    Neither government trolls or greenie fanatic trolls that would have us all freezing, broiling or starving to death in the deserts and forests . Or commo-fascist trolls who would have us all living in ant hill type societies where the workers live, work and die when they are no longer capable of working while the "Queens and Drones and "Party Members of the Elite"" live off the sweat and labor of the workers. We have, for better or worse, trolls extolling all sorts of agendas.
    Mar
    30th Oct 2014
    8:00pm
    Bes. Absolutely agree with you. Best comment!!
    Mar
    30th Oct 2014
    8:04pm
    Just for interest: Definition of TROLL - supernatural creature, dwelling in a cave hill, etc.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    8:09pm
    Sometimes Swearing at Passing Bloggers !!
    Mar
    30th Oct 2014
    8:09pm
    This government is "all show and no action", except for robbing the poor to give to the rich. Actually, Labour seems inviting after this lot.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    8:12pm
    I want Me Money Back !!
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    8:22pm
    Which one are you?
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    8:51pm
    OOW ! Good ! A game of where's Wally ??
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    8:56pm
    Take a pick.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:17pm
    Have not seen wally for a few days particolor. Hope he's alright.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    10:44pm
    I think he was somewhere Yesterday or the Day Before ??
    wally
    1st Nov 2014
    12:45am
    Thanks for your concern, gents. I have been recharging my mental batteries and thinking of new things to say that will outrage the good people of the Lefty Persuasion.
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    8:28am
    Do You think a Tempting Outrageous statements could Incite the into a Site Brightening Brawl ??

    30th Oct 2014
    8:23pm
    DREW

    Utter bulldust!!

    The PEOPLE did NOT vote in Abbott….. MURDOCH with the USA's backing…… PUMMELLED the Australian people with BIASED and DISGUSTING reporting which in many cases could be seen as pure LIES. The Australian public were not even aware that the Australian ECONOMY was the BEST in the WORLD under Rudd and had ticked all the GOOD boxes which had never been done before by any other country in the WORLD…… as internationally acclaimed.

    The previous (to Abbott) election which put Gillard in pseudo power showed the reluctance of the people to put in Abbott, so Murdoch and the USA who were desperate to get THEIR BOY elected, proceeded to bombard the Australian public with everything they had which was a GROSS misrepresentation of OUR DEMOCRATIC processes.
    The only time it was worse is when Australia's democratic processes were grossly interfered with to get rid of Whitlam…. the PM who did more for Australia than had ever been done and which put Australia in the current place it is in the world (until that treacherous fool Abbott, that is)…… HERE is a John PILGER link to what happened to Whitlam and AUSTRALIA'S democratic processes (just copy and paste): http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-forgotten-coup-how-america-and-britain-crushed-the-government-of-their-ally-australia

    Just because YOU voted for this TRAITOR who has so far ONLY 'SOLD OUT' our country to Foreign Interests and IMPLEMENTED foreign interests WISH LIST as his policies, YOU are crowing over the need to allow this RIDICULOUS new 'Direct Action climate change'.

    The Australian public and the Opposition, no matter what party or independent should be fighting everything this treacherous mongrel puts before them BECAUSE it is NOT for Australia it is for mega foreign interests. Everyone SHOULD be asking WHAT PALMER is getting out of this turn around…. last time, he back tracked, he saved himself BILLIONS of OUR money!!! What is COSTING AUSTRALIANS… this time?

    Sick of the sycophantic Corporate (foreign) MEDIA coverage that is given to Abbott and those that want to believe, just because of their unthought about LIBERAL leanings. SMALL & MEDIUM BUSINESS should NEVER vote for Liberal because they have NEVER done anything for them….. Labor has always given more, (although NOT ENOUGH). It is a RIDICULOUS BELIEF that those that vote for Liberal are somehow more intelligent or more sophisticated or more successful IF they vote Liberal. MORE stupid really…. that is my opinion and it is valid because LIBERAL policies ONLY SUPPORT those that earn approximately $200,000 pa and above… so if you are earning less than that, it is foolish to vote for the Libs.

    Normally, that is not so bad BUT when a TREACHEROUS fool is put in charge who is selling out YOUR own country then you should NOT be supporting them, simply because you voted for them! It is like cancer, you simply cut it out or the host dies!
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    8:26pm
    So in short ( your diatribe never ends) Australians are not capable of making up their own minds, but someone else has forced them to vote for a particular party. That about sums it up about many posters here.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    8:49pm
    Well !! That was Nice ??..
    I remember My Father saying back in the late Fifties .."Only Rich Barsteds vote Liberal !!" And He WAS a Rich Barsted and Didn't !!.. He was a Middle Class Hard Working Businessman !!
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:20pm
    You are fighting with the facts mussitate. Good stuff. Beats the crap out of the trolls on this website who are throwing mud in the hope of convincing those who do not have enough background knowledge to make an informed choice.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    11:25pm
    Mussitate Wins ! Now Shut Up You Big Polluters !!
    wally
    1st Nov 2014
    12:57am
    Jeepers. Musso is fighting with the facts all right. In fact it looks like Musso has finally succeeded in triumphing over the facts. I was led to believe that Opposition parties in Australia did not win elections and that it was more a case of the party in power LOSING said election. Case in point. If the Labor Party was successful in 2007. it was because Howard used the majority he won in 2004 to severely curb the Unions during that Parliamentary term. Kevin Rudd was a new entrant into the Political Arena and by 2007 the gloss had worn off Howard and his government after 11 years in office. People were excited by the "New Guy" and so we had the 2007
    wally
    1st Nov 2014
    1:11am
    (Cont'd from above post) "Ruddslide" that returned Labor to power. Unfortunately Rudd had two problems. First he had no real support base among the "Labor Heavies" in the Labor caucus whose support he could rely on should any problems of challenges occur. Secondly, he was allowed by the heavies to be Prime Minister as long as his popularity with the electorate made it look like he would return Labor to power in the 2010 election. As his first term in office went on, his efforts to maintain popular support through his stimulus package hand outs and flawed schemes to keep the economy ticking over began to grind away the gloss he enjoyed in 2007. Mutterings about his autocratic style of decision making and refusing to consult with his ministers made his slipping in the popularity polls worried the Caucus heavies and as the 2010 election grew near, they decided to replace Rudd with his deputy, Julia Gillard. She too began well in fending off Tony Abbott in 2010, but the voters did not give her a clear majority and she depended on independents (like the embarrassing
    wally
    1st Nov 2014
    1:55am
    (cont'd again!) Oakshott and the way the Greens' leader Bob Brown blackmailed her into accepting his agenda as part of the price of gaining the support of the Greens so she could form a government. I think she was badly advised at this point. Let us suppose that she had told Bob Brown to "go jump", that she would call a double dissolution and instruct her Labor candidates not to do preference deals with the Greens and put them dead last in the Labor preferences. What would Brown do? Would he form a political alliance with Abbott and the Coalition to form government? I think his Green supporters would lynch him if he did that and he would lose his spot as Greens leader at the very least. I wonder what would have happened had Julia and the Labor Caucus called Brown's bluff, and whether her Labor colleagues and supporters would back her in this gamble. We will never know.
    The result of Labor's unwillingness to grasp the nettle and take their chances with a double dissolution election would lead ultimately to the "gloss" Julia began her term of office with wearing away and her efforts to implement Rudd's flawed schemes would see Australia running up a hideous national debt. Worse for Julia was the fact that as the 2013 election neared the Caucus decided that she would fail to gain re election. So Caucus, after deciding that Kevin Rudd was a flawed loser and was unfit to lead Labor into the 2010 election, suddenly decided that he was suddenly their shining knight and was (miraculously) transformed into the Labor hero to lead them into the 2013 election. Why was Rudd reinstalled as Leader? Labor had nobody else to stand for Prime Minister.
    So friend Musso, The election result of 2013 was caused by the internal failure of the behind scenes Labor Caucus and their casting about for a credible candidate. Both Rudd and Gillard looked good when they began their terms in office, but the fact is, they failed to produce the results to Australian public wanted.
    So never mind about your ranting about the "EVIL CONSPIRACY" of the United States, (please explain the role the apparently sympathetic Barrack Obama plays in this conspiracy if you can.) Big Business, the Big Banks, the Big Rupert and the Big Tony that have all conspired to ruin the Australia you would like to see become the Golden Socialist Wonderland of the Southern Hemisphere.
    PS About John Pilger and his so called documentaries. Isn't he the "Australian" ideologue that lives in Britain and claims his documentaries show the truth about how badly Australia has treated to Aborigines? Is it true he has his camera crew throw money into garbage bins and thenhas them film the Aboriginal children reaching into the bins to retrieve the money and lies and declares that they are scrambling for food? If this is true, it is a stunt worthy of Josef Goebbels. Sort of like the propaganda you like to peddle.
    Paddles
    30th Oct 2014
    8:56pm
    Drew

    JUST WHAT IS GOING ON IN YLC OFFICE??????????/

    Earlier this week we had Debbie actually endorsing a Government move and castigating the trenchant opposition as being unrealistic. Now we have you saying that the people's choice of administration should be accorded the support of all in recognition of that choice.

    Perhaps you should log a query with security and commission them to analyse the water bubbler in case it has been loaded with tranquilisers.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:23pm
    Funny.
    What is really strange is that some people are beginning to forget what Abbott inc. did in opposition and how Abbott all but destroyed the workings of the parliament in his lust for power.
    Drew
    31st Oct 2014
    11:22am
    We did just get a new water bubbler put in paddles, I will get the tech people to check it out for me ;)
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    12:06pm
    Always nice to get some comic relief on a full on website. Perhaps fill it with rum rather than H2O. Happy hour...come on in spinner!
    For goodness sake Drew, put some icons onto your site.
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    4:56pm
    There's enough comic relief on here just reading all the labor supporters posts trying to talk up the previous government
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    9:32pm
    Good post Mussitate.
    Never mind Frank who is a paid troll. You would not expect anybody employed or associated with this government to be anything other than disreputable. Frank displays all the cunning, dishonesty and deceit of his boss.
    As for niemakawa I keep hearing about "the debt" but I never hear anything from him about Labor winning office as the GFC broke. Nor do I hear that the Abbott government has ABOLISHED THE DEBT CEILING so that it is not bound by any limit like Labor was so that it can borrow forever.
    niemakawa also fails to add that Australia's debt a year down the track is now around $30 billion higher. Thank you Tony Abbott inc. He also forgets to mention that the budget and policies of this government are to implement the transfer of huge amounts of public money to the bank accounts of the rich and their business ventures. This is a national disgrace but with an absence of a genuine 'free' media this government is afforded an almost free ride.....because the media and the Murdoch Press are players in this game, not reporters. Ordinary Australians take note.
    niemakawa
    30th Oct 2014
    9:51pm
    Frank a paid troll. What evidence do you have to support such a claim? I would like to hear about it.
    Yes Labor were in power at the time of the GFC. It was foolish of them to give away all of the Countries savings to anyone that had lodged a tax return. Money even went to those that had left the Country and were only here working temporarily. Very smart-not.

    Labor were kept afloat as a result of the resources boom ( mainly WA) but still they went on a spending spree unseen since the days of the Whitlam Government. They put the Country in a dire situation the result of which became apparent when the LNP were elected. Your comments about a genuine "free" media doesn't add up. The ABC the National Broadcaster is always pro-Labor. Other media outlets may have a different opinion. You can get regular updates from your preferred political party ( the horses mouth, if you like). You do not have to use the media at all if you get confused and are unable to formulate your own opinions. Ordinary Australians, better call them extraordinary, take note for next time.
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    10:11pm
    mick

    Tah mate…. I get a bit peeved sometimes with so much bulldust being sprinkled so generously about.
    Adrianus
    30th Oct 2014
    10:26pm
    The Rudd/Gillard /Rudd government will be a millstone around the necks of ALP, Unions, Greens and Independents for many years to come. You only need to look at the nonsense which a few of the posters here peddle. mick is probably one of the most dishonest.
    Labor gave $30b to businesses as carbon tax compensation and it hurts Mussitate and mick so bad they have gone into a rage of denial.
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:35pm
    niemakawa: I respond only so that readers understand that your posts are much the same as Frank's and Solomon's posts....full of repetitive rhetoric which cherry pick facts and manipulate the truth.
    To dissect your slogans one at a time:
    1. See my post above for Solomon complete with (quoted) admission and where you can find this.
    2. Labor gave away money: when the GFC hit Australians kept on working, did not have 15-30% of its workforce thrown out of work and the power of the dollar (going around the loop) was not interrupted). Ask Americans how they did? Ask your children what would have become of them had they lost their jobs...and then their house!!
    3. The resources boom: So what did the Howard/Costello government do when it had record resources driven income and NO GFC? No comment!
    4. This country does not have a free media. The Murdoch Press has undue influence and the other big players just fall in behind the Murdoch Press. If you want to talk about the ABC being left wing (for wanting to air both sides) then I direct you to the 7:30 Report where Lee Sales interviewed Tony Abbott about his travel rorts. You will recall that Peter Slipper had a month of media grilling. Abbott had ONE QUESTION from Sales. His response: "now come on Lee". That was the end of the grilling. Your statement is a nonsense! The reason Abbott hates the ABC is because, unlike the mainstream media, the ABC gives both sides a fair go. Abbott wants the same preferential (bias) treatment he gets from the Murdoch Press. I reject your statement as it appears to be a lament rather than factual.
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:08pm
    What did Howard and Costello do ??

    ARE YOU SERIOUS MICK ???

    THEY PAID DOWN DEBT , REDUCED TAXES, had the economy BUZZING

    Unemployment down, revenue up , Debt DOWN to ZERO, PUT AUSTRALIA well and truly ON THE PATH TO FINANCIAL NIRVANA

    All to be destroyed by LABOR - DUDD and JULIAR . The worst Prime Ministers in Australia's history
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:41pm
    Yeah of course Solomon

    Giving OUR wealth to American mega corporations and their leashholders is obviously going to be good for Australia.

    And what would an American, living in American know about OUR country!

    ALL you are doing is spewing AMERICAN PROPAGANDA for your OWN propagandised ignoble purposes.
    Paddles
    31st Oct 2014
    10:11am
    Mick

    " because, unlike the mainstream media, the ABC gives both sides a fair go".

    Your ABC viewing must be rather selective because it is obvious that you do not watch Q & A.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    11:11am
    Troll Solomon: My response to you,
    1. Howard and Costello ruled in the absolute of best times. No GFC. No world calamities. Paul Keating has been know to describe Costello as doing his job from his hammock. Tells a story.
    2. Howard was one of the great sellers of Australian assets to foreigners. I have mentioned previously that I used to own shares in Ampolex, the Australian company which owned the Gorgon LNG deposit. This was to be mu superannuation but Howard let it go cheaply to overseas investors. The resource is now owned by US based Chevron which regularly advertises what a benefit they are to Australians....as they export the wealth and profits overseas.
    3. Work Choices. Remember. That was a policy (they're still trying) to drive average Australians into US style poverty so that our already very well off rich folk can have every last dollar. Despicable!
    So defend little Johnny if you wish but do what you have no stomach to do: put the Howard government into perspective and its track record into historical context. I thought so. Not interested.
    maxchugg
    30th Oct 2014
    10:20pm
    First a question. How do you tell a core promise from a non core promise?
    Since atmospheric carbon dioxide levels increased, as sensible people predicted, plants grew faster and there were no other effects, least of all global warming.
    The carbon tax was one of the greatest rorts ever foisted upon anyone, particularly in Tasmania where the Hydro Electric Commission is lamenting the loss of their income from carbon tax charged to Tasmanian consumers of electricity produced by non pollution poser stations.
    The temperature of the earth has not risen in the last 17 years, the Arctic ice cap is rapidly recovering from the losses it experienced, particularly in 2012, and the Antarctic ice is at record levels. The sea hasn't risen to drown the Maldives which, according to the experts in 2000 was to have happened by 2010, and Tuvalu is also still above water, despite predictions to the contrary.
    In 2012 we were told that the Arctic ice was at an unprecedented low, yet the Washington Post of 2 November had this ice over 1500 kilometres further north than was the case in 2012. (Check it out on Snopes - use "Arctic Ice" to search.)
    Bad enough that people posing as reputable scientists peddle lies, but when, as David Suzuki admitted on Q & A they want people who openly disagree with them liable to prosecution, surely is time that some of them faced prosecution for fraud.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    10:42pm
    I heard all of that and More today somewhere !! I'm always listening to Something !
    And some of it is Ozen Shisen !! Trees and plants are growing faster than ever and absorbing the Carbon and so forth .. And I'm glad we didn't have to say Toodaloo to Tuvalu !!
    MICK
    30th Oct 2014
    10:50pm
    When is a promise not a promise? When given by a politician, con man, realestate agent or used car salesman.
    You are on the wrong blog maxchung, but your arguments are not supported by 97% of the science community. These folk are career professionals.
    Your facts are incorrect and you need to do a bit of research to corroborate these:
    1. Have a look at:
    http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
    Take not of the graph and what happened after about 1950.

    2. The ATMOSPHERIC temperature rise may have been minimal but huge amounts of energy have been absorbed by the oceans. The ocean temperature is rising.

    3. The ice caps are not recovering. Whilst on a year on year basis the caps my increase/decrease the THICKNESS of the polar ice is decreasing. And of course the ice shelf from Greenland is all but gone.

    4. I recently watched a program called "Global Wierding" on SBS which also gave an explanation to explain some of the apparent conflicts. Worth a viewing.

    Your last bit makes a statement which does you no good. As I said above 97% of the world's scientists agree that global warming is real. Of the 3% who do not agree I think that you may find that many of these are funded with coal, oil and gas funds and the 'opinion' of these folk are worth about as much as an election promise from Tony Abbott. Remember also that those who disagree have consistently been invited to submit papers for peer analysis. THEY REFUSE time and time again. I wonder why?
    Sorry maxchung but you are pushing a barrow with 2 flat wheels..... I dare say I know who the fraud is. Cheers.
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:03pm
    maxchugg

    One flaw in that argument is that we are cutting down trees faster than they are growing….. DUH!

    Now, let's take away ALL the scientific facts about 'climate' and simply look at POLLUTION and the DENUDING of this WORLD.

    That is what CARBON TAX was all about… in reality. Making those that pollute PAY for their pollution… why should a PRIVATE institution be able to make GROSS PROFITS which they take overseas (mostly) but then leave ALL THEIR POLLUTION for the Australian TAXPAYER to clean up for them!!!

    OUR WATERS are being polluted and waterways and rivers are simply over polluted and some are even disappearing. Simple example…. I used to go into the hills near where I lived and swim in the streams that flowed down… ALL DRIED UP NOW… no such thing and can't even see where they were. DEVELOPMENT and changing of pathways. OUR oceans too are being polluted and OVER FISHED by corporate interests…. decreasing the ability of primitive folk to feed themselves and for a BIG UPHEAVAL in the 'circle of life' in the ocean.

    NEXT our TREES, as stated, these are being torn down quicker than they are growing… vast swathes of area are being denuded, changing salinity, watercourses and importantly RAIN levels.

    OUR LANDS … development without thought has caused so much damage and then we have GROSS pollution with chemicals, pollution and even dumping of poisonous nuclear wastes.

    So….. WHO CARES whether the scientist are right or wrong MAXCHUGG!!!! It is a FACT that humans are desecrating their own living place….. just so that a FEW can preside in wealth and privilege and ALL these parasites need to do to get OUR support, is to OWN the corporations that FEED us their propaganda.

    So maxchugg, are you a new or variation on Solomon or Pete or Frank…… your diatribe is very aptly spewed, in such a manner as to prescribe your alliance to those sitting in the shadows pulling the strings.

    30th Oct 2014
    10:46pm
    Thought I would make this a comment that stands on its own, so that those who do not know what a TROLL is will have greater understanding:

    TROLL is an internet term and refers to:

    "a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion".

    HERE is a Wikipedia LINK (copy & paste): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

    Govts and other groups do in FACT employ people to present their point of view and scuttle others points of view in the manner as detailed above.

    Frank, Pete & Solomon are such people who could be regarded as TROLLS and Solomon has even stated that he is NOT Australian and is NOT living in Australia but in the USA…. Pete, I believe is in the UK and not sure of Frank…. possibly a home grown paid party animal for the Libs.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    10:52pm
    The Plate will be passed around at the end of the Sermon !! Give Generously !!..
    Thank You ....
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    10:59pm
    Mussitate - you are the biggest troll here, spreading left wing rubbish on this site.

    Your left wing views have no place in modern economies. Most progressive thinking politicians and economists know tat free market capitalism and a minimalist government is the only path to sustainable prosperity.

    Labor will lead Austrlalia to ruin. Obama is succeeding in the US. Mitt Romney was to go to guy to fix the mess. Hope he runs in 2016
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:02pm
    Australia took a gift horse and shoved in down the well. Wasted millions on hair brained schemes driving debt through the roof. All for what - NOTHING.
    Australia was insulated from the GFC by China's booming economy and thirst for resources.
    BILLIONS WASTED FOR NO REASON AT ALL.
    Rudd should have been charged for TREASON. He sold out future generations placing every man woman and child in debt by hundreds of thousands of dollars.
    What an IDIOT !!!
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:21pm
    Spittle and spiffle, my dear Solomon…. the American living in America.

    You keep telling Australians how to think and who to vote for… eeerrrrhhh not really good manners or the done thing…… dear boy.

    Telling ALL Australians to follow the AMERICAN WAY and end up with 5% of the greedy swine owning 90% of the wealth AND controlling democratic processes AND owning most politicians with the RESULT that:

    - small businesses are desecrated and going into BANKRUPTCY, as is the economy
    - UNEMPLOYMENT is in the millions
    - a vast sum of Americans are living in POVERTY
    - SLUMS are ever growing
    - violent CRIME a daily occurrence
    - DRUG abuse is out of control
    - CORRUPTION is rife from the very top to the bottom levels of society
    - SOCIAL assistance is barely recognisable
    - PUBLIC EDUCATION is simply a joke
    - PUBLIC HEALTH is to die for

    There IS more but the above is sufficient, don't you think!

    Just so you understand, Solomon, WE AUSTRALIANS do NOT want these things…. you see WE AUSTRALIANS HAD one of the MOST EGALITARIAN societies in the WORLD. For you Solomon, this means that OUR WEALTH is SPREAD OUT which is WHY OUR ECONOMY is better ……. ooooooooh….. I mean, a lot, lot, lot better than the USA… YOUR country, Solomon.

    SOoooooooooooo, WHY would we want to DEGENERATE OUR society to MATCH YOUR society….. WHAT PURPOSE????

    Oh! That is right…. Australia has a lot of wealth and YOUR COUNTRY (or should I say the greedy swines that make up the 5%) want to STEAL THAT FROM US!!!!!!! Silly me.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    11:30pm
    Mussitate is Still Winning !! But Still The Big Polluters will not Surrender ??
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:38pm
    Mussi just quotes SOCIALIST crap AD NAUSEUM.

    His heors are Hugo Chaves and Fidel Castro !!!!! Nationalize everything and DESTROY the country is Mussitate's motto.

    He doesnt love Australia - He's a hopeless SOCIALISM romantic. Nice on paper - but USELESS in practice
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    11:52pm
    Spit Hiss !!
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    11:16am
    Solomon, Solomon, Solomon? Really?
    Not winning your biased trolling you now turn to insults and communist jargon. And does anybody believe you are for real?
    A pity your name does not personify the Solomon of the bible. Clearly your post display about as much wisdom as the intoxicated drug addict on a soap box in Hyde Park. Get a real Aussie to tell you where that is mate!
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    11:32am
    Solo man .. I don't know what sort of You Beaut, Yankee Doodle wages and Retainers You are on. But as an Australian Pensioner, in the last year I'm going Downhill Backwards at a rate of Knots !!. And My friends too, who have raised Family's for those Clowns to Tax, and pay themselves like Saudi Sheiks for doing a Lousy Job !!
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    12:10pm
    If it helps particolor Americans are badly cannabalised by the top 1% of citizens and what they get from their own government is not much more than a kick in the teeth. That, it appears, is what Solomon wants to import into our country.
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    12:47pm
    Yes I know Mick !! I watch a lot of You/Tube at times !! And it aint much Chop for a lot over there !!.. I was just having My Monthly Moan !!..
    Stay away from Drew's New Bubbler ! I've seen Great Danes and Saint Bernard's Pee on those things !!

    30th Oct 2014
    11:17pm
    I don;t recall voting for any increase in fuel excise, and my entire philosophy is dedicated to cutting back on spending, revenue gathering and thus control by government. Governments at all levels have proven themselves to be incompetent and unable to take the really hard decision - such as tax the current leaners who get too many free rides in tax breaks, or divest themselves of this nonsensical 'privatisation' that only serves to raise costs while providing lucrative bolt-holes for cronies etc.

    Governments need to be dragged back to their core purpose - forget about any 'core promises' - and that is to take care of the bills first before grabbing at the luxury items on the assumption that there will always be a public to get more from if needed.

    Time to CUT government revenue and return them to those core issues that are properly the province of government, and I speak especially of the social engineering aspects so beloved of both sides for so many years now.

    Time to wind the clock back and pay the pipers who've been starved and beaten by this nonsense, and are now told to wait until 70 to get a pension and cop any rises in costs the government can impose or engineer with its hollow policies such as endless off-shoring of resource management into the hands of boat people in suits, who then sell it back to us at premium price.

    We don't need that kind of 'investment', than you very much... if you want to do business here these are the rules:-

    You pay our price and we keep sufficient of the product here for our own use, and we set our own prices for it at home.

    Let the rip-up merchants whine all they like - they can always get their goods elsewhere (I don't think).
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:23pm
    What a load of utter rubbish. It is lest wing nonsesne like this will soon see you only eligible for your pension at 80
    Ronbison Crusoe economics - the Russians tried that - its called COMMUNISM
    Doesnt work .
    Free market and globalization is the only way, AND MINIMAL government interference is ESSENTIAL for it to work
    The problem always has been socialist policies dragging down the economy and sabotaging the free market's ability to deliver a prospserous thriving economy.
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:36pm
    Tut tut Solomon

    Your TROLL slip is showing…..again.

    Yes, of course Free Market?! The USA does NOT have ONE FREE MARKET!!!!!! oooooops, sorry, of course they do…. it is the employment market. Free for all that one where poor bast*rds work for TIPS and have to work 60hrs for the privilege of LIVING in POVERTY. Even the STOCK EXCHANGE is controlled…. absolutely!

    It may be a good idea to shed some those ridiculous misinformation about your OWN country before you try and spew forth what you perceive to be problems with OUR country.

    Thank you very much.

    30th Oct 2014
    11:18pm
    Young Drew is one of the few Right thinking contributors to this site.

    Please publish more well balanced articles and achievements of this government Drew.

    It depressing to only read the left wing propaganda spewed by many other contributors. They cant see past by their crusted on loyalty for a party that is dead set on destroying this country.
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:29pm
    Just to make this clear for everyone…. Solomon has confirmed that he is an American LIVING in America.

    When he talks about left wing propaganda, he refers to all Australians because WE have the audacity NOT to want to GIVE OUR WEALTH to mega FOREIGN corporations (mostly American) or their leashholders (5% who own 90% USA wealth).

    Solomon seems to think that the strangle hold these parasites have on HIS country should extend to OUR country AND that ALL Australians should accept poverty, slums, drugs, violent crime and a desecrated society….. just like HIS fellow Americans have done.

    SOoooooooooooo, WHY would we want to DEGENERATE OUR society to MATCH YOUR society Solomon….. for WHAT PURPOSE????

    Oh! That is right…. Australia has a lot of wealth and YOUR COUNTRY (or should I say the greedy swines that make up the 5%) want to STEAL THAT FROM US!!!!!!! Silly me."
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:35pm
    I admit I do not live in Australia. BUT it is HOME. I have every right as you to post my views on what I think is RIGHT for my country.

    US has done so much right. It is still the richest country in the World.
    It saddens me to see that DEMOCRATS are trying to ruin it. Just like LABOR wants to ruin Oz.

    That;'s why the Tea Party is on the rise. SMALL GOVERNMENT is the ONLY WAY.
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:38pm
    Solomon

    Yes, of course, an American living in America is calling Australia HOME but then proposing that we become just like America……

    "the AMERICAN WAY and end up with 5% of the greedy swine owning 90% of the wealth AND controlling democratic processes AND owning most politicians with the RESULT that:

    - small businesses are desecrated and going into BANKRUPTCY, as is the economy
    - UNEMPLOYMENT is in the millions
    - a vast sum of Americans are living in POVERTY
    - SLUMS are ever growing
    - violent CRIME a daily occurrence
    - DRUG abuse is out of control
    - CORRUPTION is rife from the very top to the bottom levels of society
    - SOCIAL assistance is barely recognisable
    - PUBLIC EDUCATION is simply a joke
    - PUBLIC HEALTH is to die for"
    Anonymous
    30th Oct 2014
    11:45pm
    Unemployment is around 6% in the US - much the same as Oz

    There are no vast sums living in poverty. -

    Violent Crime is at reasonable levels - not much different to the rest of the world

    Drug abuse is no different to other countries

    We have one of the best education systems in the world - US talent is everywhere and in high demand in the maths, sciences, arts, business, research etc etc ...

    The US has the most and msst advances medical facilities and medical research facilities in the world

    Stop reading stuff from the Russian press, Mussitate - try and get some balance in your life

    Gotta run - need to get the shopping done.
    particolor
    30th Oct 2014
    11:46pm
    Well Drew ..From My observations I think Heaps of People didn't even Know what they were Voting for !! And wished they Hadn't !!.. Rudd may not have been the Tastiest of the Candy on offer, but sure wasn't a slave to a Higher Power !!
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    12:43am
    Kevin Dudd did serve a higher power. The God of Labor Incompetence.
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    2:03am
    Yes SIR! Mr Spangles and Stripes……. YOU know what is good for Australia ….. and it is the AMERICAN WAY!

    God save America (from the parasites that own and run it)!
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    2:30am
    Oh! forgot to rubbish your bulldust statistics……

    Best Educational Facilities and Best Medical Facilities, in addition to being highly challengeable, is ONLY on OFFER to the WEALTHY. The statistics on unemployment have had their specifications changed many times so that unemployment appears low and the economy shows some form of growth….. even with ZERO, yes ZERO interest, to the bankers. DUH!

    CRIME & DRUGS….. where have you been burying your head! The violent crimes and drug abuse in the USA are epidemic! They are so VERY different to MOST other countries… the USA is one of the highest in the world.
    AUSTRALIA is a SAFE place with LITTLE poverty, near on NO SLUMS, drug abuse at a minimum….. compared to the USA, Australia is CLEAN and most of that is due to the fact that OUR population has GOOD education and health AND OUR KIDS have HOPE of a good and decent FUTURE…. the opposite is true for MOST of those in the USA that are NOT wealthy… they have a life of crime and imprisonment or death to look forward to!!

    Many of US talent was imported AND those that are American may have been great once… that we do not deny BUT the economic management by the greedy 5% has put this once mighty country on its KNEES.

    We Australians do NOT want OUR country on its knees which is why we REJECT USA economic management techniques which effectively benefit the USA and its parasitical 5%. It is also another reason why ABBOTT should be revealed for what he is ….. a USA Patsy and a TRAITOR to AUSTRALIA.
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    3:09am
    So you discount immigrant talent?
    How ignorant and pathetic.
    This land was built on the back of immigrants.
    The US like Australia welcomes immigrants who are fleeing socialist, communist, fascist , racist, you name it all the worst kinds of governments on this sad planet.
    Capitalism offers these downtrodden peoples the chance to make their dreams come true.
    Which other country still offers such hope and glory.????
    Top being such a dickwad and accept reality
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    8:31am
    You stole that off Walt Disney !! FANTASY LAND !!
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    11:10am
    Here we go again with the same old same old. A view that life in the USA is better than in Australia should consider this. The GFC began in America because during the Clinton administration, lending laws were loosened up so that people who be regarded as "bad debts" were able to borrow more money than they could afford to pay back should their finances hit a rough patch. In prosperous times this was OK, and things went smoothly. Clinton is/was a Democrat and George Bush the younger, a Republican, allowed the situation to continue. When the wheels finally fell off in 2008, another Democrat, Barrack Obama was elected President and he wound up inheriting the bi-partisan mess his predecessors allowed to develop until the bubble burst.
    Now whether you can say things in America are better than in Australia (or vice versa) isn't really relevant to the way things are that we face in Australia. Never mind the conspiracy theories about big, bad, American business, big bad American banks and Big Bad Rupert Murdoch (Who editorially supported the Labor saint and legendary icon Gough Whitlam) back in the early 1970's) ganging up to ruin Australia and the rest of the known world.
    Cherry picking quotes from God only knows where to support your particular (or should that be peculiar) point of view does not really sway anybody to accept your viewpoint. More likely, readers will form a suspicion that the proponents of such views suffer from delusional paranoia.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    11:20am
    Solomon: I do not want to get into abusing immigrants but I have to point out that people with your leanings have ruined the United States. I assume that you came here because you could see the writing on the wall. So, just like some of our Muslim immigrants, you come to a good country and start to sow your venom on us.
    Please return home where you are with like minded folk. You do not appear to fit our way of life as honesty and a fair go is one on the virtues most Australians share. You have neither of these qualities from what I can see.
    1945 yorkie
    31st Oct 2014
    6:16am
    The government have the responsibility of providing legislation that they consider is for the good of the population of the Country.When these measures are obviously unfair or biased towards a particular group ,it is the responsibility of the opposition parties to oppose them.The present Labour Government has given bilateral support to the measures that it considers fair and good for the country,e.g. the defence and anti-terrorism measures.Along with the support of the cross benchers,they are blocking blatently unfair measures e.g. the medicare co-payment.Abbott also has his head in the sand regarding natural power production and reduction of carbon emissions.Australia is in a much better position than most countries to harness these resources,but he is encouraging the use of fossil fuels,which will run out eventually.The senate opposition has just as much right to block bad legislation as the Lower house has to pass them.This is how a democracy works.
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    6:22am
    It's up to you New York, New Yorkkkk!
    Start spreading the news.....
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    7:49am
    I'm just happy that we have real action on respecting the planet and the carbon tax is gone. It was doing nothing for the climate and pushing up the cost of living to the tune of $38b.
    Labor are looking more like the Greens every day with their relentless negativity.
    I don't know why people like mick and Mussitate don't go and live in a communist country? They would be much happier.
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    8:24am
    I cant see what either of them say has anything to do with Communism ?? Your plan fits the Bill Better !!.. All For the Big Boys !! Yep !!
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    10:46am
    Let me see if I understand?
    You want the welfare that Industry provides but you don't want the Industry.
    Nobody has been able to explain to me how that can work?
    You want 1.9m people employed to provide you with Public Services.
    And to be financed by only 6m workers? How is this possible?
    If you or Mussitate or mick can explain how it can work than I am listening?
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    11:26am
    You are a sick man Frank. Not only a government funded troll but now the Carbon Tax, which has given dirty energy back its monopoly, is clean?
    I value freedom. I value honesty. And I value a fair go for average Australians.
    You have none of the above qualities from anything I have seen from your posts Frank and the fact that you have sold your soul to this most disreputable of all governments is testament to that. May God have mercy on your poor worthless soul mate.
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    12:11pm
    See, no answers. Just insults.
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    12:24pm
    That's not an Insults Backside !! I can write Much Better Insults than that if I have to !!
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    12:40pm
    Go for it!! he he he
    rob101
    31st Oct 2014
    8:13am
    Can some one answer this? Denmark has the largest number of Windmills (Power) in Europe.
    Denmark is the largest Importer of Power in Europe,mostly from France (Nuclear Power).

    Robert 101
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    8:42am
    Takes a lot of Power to make Chocolate and Cheese ??
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    10:48am
    rob101: what is the question you're asking? It's not clear
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    10:57am
    I think He means the Wind Energy is Backed up by Nuclear Energy from France then the Wind isn't in a good mood !!
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    11:36am
    Another form of wind energy is of the self generating kind. To be able to use this you need a flexible rubber tube, vaseline, a container to capture and store the methane gas and to eat a lot of cabbage and baked beans
    1945 yorkie
    31st Oct 2014
    11:18am
    So Frank,please tell me how burning more fossil fuels,as Abbott states is the way forward,is respecting the planet.Fossil fuels will eventually run out and we should be looking at more natural solutions to the problem,not exacerbate the problem.Condoning burning more coal is harming the planet,not respecting it.Who do you think is going to pay for this scheme which is going to compensate the large companies for graciously volunteering to reduce their emissions-certainly not the Government.Abbott will come up with more sneaky ways to hit Joe Bloggs in the hip pocket.Implementing the usage of solar and wind power are common sense measures,which should transcend political motives for purely political gain.
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    12:15pm
    Frank has no answers. He is just the messenger of this government and is paid on a cash for comment basis. Solomon has already admitted this but Frank is not going to own up.
    Glad you have worked it out 1945 yorkie. And yes coal is not only dirty but there are moves to destroy the Great Barrier Reef for a coal loader....which will be dead within 50 years. The sad reality is that the Liberal sanctioned destruction of the reef misses the point that coal is short term whilst the reef has tourism income potential forever as long as we manage it well. It looks coal is going to win and Australians are going to lose.
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    12:38pm
    We are in big trouble financially and you want to close down industries and put people out of work and increase welfare payments? How is that going to help? You have swallowed the Greens propaganda.
    The founder of Green Peace, Patrick Moore even denies global warming is man made and left when he saw them drop the word 'peace' from their name and become a team of political bandits.
    wally
    31st Oct 2014
    11:26am
    Mick, I just counted that you have posted on this site 38 times since yesterday. I think you need to unchain yourself from you computer and go outside and get some fresh air and recharge your mental batteries before coming back and rejoining the fray!
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    11:41am
    And don't have a Drink from Drews new Bubbler while Your out there ! I've seen Great Danes Pee on those things !!
    MICK
    31st Oct 2014
    12:19pm
    You make a valid point wally. And in between all of that mayhem I am working on revamping the house. Crazy, really.
    Whilst I agree with you I have a real issue with governments (of any persuasion) using social media websites as their propaganda tools. I have asked the managers of this website to remove the obvious trolls but to date they remain. So what does one do? Let these parasites of society get away with murder? And if so how does this benefit an of us if they manage to groom the public for the next election, which appears to be the motive?
    I'll try and take your advice wally. Thanks for the observation.
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    2:41pm
    Mick. Stop being a left wing nazi.
    Everyone has a right to express their private opinions here.
    We need to have a BALANCED discussion. Not just your one eyed Abbot bashing.
    This government is doing a pretty good job and honest people need to acknowledge it
    rob101
    31st Oct 2014
    11:55am
    Power Windmills only work when the Wind is between 18kmh and 38kmh.The Electricity they produce can't be stored and add nothing to Base Load Power.They have a life of between 15 and 25 years.Who pays for pulling them down(I know that's stating the Bleeding Obvious).

    robert101
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    2:43pm
    Don Quixote aka Bill Shorty
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    3:54pm
    The maintenance costs of a new turbine are very low but as the turbine ages these cost increase.Studies done in Denmark on the 5000 wind turbines installed in the country since 1975 has demonstrated that each new generation of turbines has had lower repair and maintenance costs than the previous generation.
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    12:25pm
    I think the sooner we put the crooks behind bars and allow the honest citizens a chance to make a decent living the better. Good people need confidence in Australia's future to raise their families with hope in reaching their potential. It's quite often hard to fly like an eagle when surrounded by turkeys so there will come a day when I will have to leave you good people to your negativity. I mean that in the nicest possible way.
    particolor
    31st Oct 2014
    12:38pm
    Saladin won a lot of Battles !! And his Prodigy are trying to follow Suit !!
    Anonymous
    31st Oct 2014
    2:38pm
    Let's start by getting rid of the leftist loonies on this site
    Adrianus
    31st Oct 2014
    3:06pm
    The RC is uncovering quite a lot of medical issues amongst witnesses. Yep, loss of memory. It may only be treatable by long rest periods.
    Adrianus
    1st Nov 2014
    7:23am
    Just scanned through the posts here. There's a couple of real hardliners here.
    Polly Esther
    31st Oct 2014
    1:31pm
    Mussitate - Thankyou I have learned something today. I really honestly thought a troll was a fairy tale monster that lived under bridges and ate little children as they walked over it, nothing more nothing less. My childhood memories. Times change of course and for better or worse so does the language, and obviously I have not kept up with it. Naïve of me I guess, and I just googled it, suppose I should have googled the bloody thing in the first place, but am now up with the modern meaning and feel a little stunned by it. Anyway never too old to learn as they say.
    rob101
    1st Nov 2014
    8:48am
    don't forget there is an increase in GST being pushed by our Glorious Leader!


    robert101
    Adrianus
    1st Nov 2014
    9:00am
    I also just found out that non complying super funds pay the 2% Budget Repair Levy.
    Why would anyone have a non complying fund and pay 47% tax on income (up from 45%)?
    rob101
    1st Nov 2014
    10:07am
    Is anyone silly enough to admit they voted for the GST?

    robert101
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    10:20am
    Rob.. They were both acts of Stealth By Supposedly Opposition Party's !!.. After the Elections ??
    There will be NO GST..Bla Bla Howard...
    There will be NO Carbon Tax.. Bla Bla Gillard..
    And Now there will be NO Cuts to............ Bla Bla.. Abbott !!
    Adrianus
    1st Nov 2014
    10:51am
    Yes :(..... both sides wanted it and it was going to replace some income tax. I am in favour of a user pays system rather than a system that penalises people for working harder.
    Anonymous
    1st Nov 2014
    3:44pm
    Yes . It's a great tax.
    Allowed government to uh leakage from tax evasion/ avoidance.
    Personal tax rates were reduced and tax free threshold increased as a result
    rob101
    1st Nov 2014
    12:53pm
    GST was only meant to replace the Wholesale Sales Tax.WST had a rate of 7.7% to 30% applicable only some 30%of GOODS ONLY.You were CONNED! A basic rule is NEVER Vote for a Tax,as it wont go away,and get worse.

    robert1101
    Adrianus
    1st Nov 2014
    1:19pm
    rob GST was sold to us on the basis of replacing the WST and providing a reduction in income tax. The WST was a useless piece of legislation and many people were not paying it because they were given a choice. Howard did drop taxes but I thought the GST windfall would provide workers with greater tax relief than it did.
    rob101
    1st Nov 2014
    12:53pm
    GST was only meant to replace the Wholesale Sales Tax.WST had a rate of 7.7% to 30% applicable only some 30%of GOODS ONLY.You were CONNED! A basic rule is NEVER Vote for a Tax,as it wont go away,and get worse.

    robert1101
    Anonymous
    1st Nov 2014
    3:46pm
    And your point is????
    Was WST ever going to go away under the previous tax regime?
    At the end of the day it's all about a fairer more efficient system and plugging gaps
    Not Senile Yet!
    1st Nov 2014
    4:43pm
    None of you people really get it do you?????
    Both the Parties are just playing tag team with the lot of you!!!!
    It doesn't matter which one you put in...they only do what is good for them and their mates!!!!
    STOP VOTING FOR THE PUPPET MONGRELS!!!!
    Understand that they want you to fight about Left or Right views and which are better for you & your business or job/income!!!
    But what may be BEST for EVERYONE may not be Left or Right....but a compromise in the middle.....it also might be best for Australia!!!
    So why don't these Parties want that?????
    Because it is not best for THEM and their survival in the Political arena!!!!!
    They need your VOTE to survive!!!!!!
    DO NOT GIVE IT TO THEM....even if it is as a protest!!!!
    Make them stop applying their agenda by taking them out of power!!!
    Wake up and stop defending a Party machine that sells your vote to invisible back room JERKS!!!!
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    5:07pm
    Leeerved It !! :)

    Where's Solomon from ?? Uganda ?
    I knew Idi had Relies
    Solomon would Tax the Tax on the Tax !!
    Don't vote for Him :)
    Adrianus
    3rd Nov 2014
    10:12am
    Not, alright I'm with you, but who are the puppet mongrels and the invisible back room jerks?
    wally
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:08pm
    Would NSY be suggesting that Labor and the Libs are playing a "Good Cop, Bad Cop" game to con the electorate? Isn't that why Don Chipp's Australian Democrats were formed back in the '70's "to keep the bastards honest"? That is, before that party was "white- anted", lost direction and credibility before it fell over? mick is onto something about voting for "good independents" but finding one is like finding a needle in the haystack. If they survive the electoral process and get into parliament, do they wind up like the green bananas that turn yellow, go rotten and wind up, as the saying goes, with "not a straight one in the bunch"? Hmmmmm.
    rob101
    1st Nov 2014
    9:37pm
    The point is Soloman,Is that you Never vote for a New Tax.Even if the Wholesale Sales Tax had remained in would not apply Services,eg:Gas Water Electricity,Telecommunication Services etc.

    Robert 101
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    9:56pm
    Yeah Fancy getting Taxed for getting a Bill ?? That's as Bad as Halaling Me Vegemite !!
    Anonymous
    1st Nov 2014
    10:20pm
    Again you speak like a peasant.
    ROb101 should learn Economics101.

    Just because you do not understand something doesn't make it bad.
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    10:38pm
    I understand Economics !! You take the Tax Off 5 Items and then You put the New Tax Back on 10 Items !!
    Adrianus
    2nd Nov 2014
    11:25pm
    If the Democrats had not watered it down it would have been a much better regime. I wonder if it was the GST which actually destroyed the Democrats. Keeping the bastards honest can take it's toll.
    rob101
    1st Nov 2014
    10:01pm
    Yes Particolor every time you buy something that I Halal certified,you are paying part of the Licence fee that has to be paid for the Certification.The organisation is Muslim,so you are directly contributing to them.

    robert101
    particolor
    1st Nov 2014
    10:12pm
    I rekon Ive bought the Barsted a Box of 3 O's this month !! And a Rocket for Hamas !!
    Adrianus
    2nd Nov 2014
    2:25pm
    The Halal certification legislation was introduced during the Hawke Government.
    particolor
    2nd Nov 2014
    3:46pm
    I've been hunting around for some other things to Blame Labor For !! An d so far have only found Climate Change ,Halalemite, Global Financial Position, Pork Bellies Futures Losses, And Great Big Holes all over Australia !! ?? What a Mob of Vandals !!
    Adrianus
    2nd Nov 2014
    3:55pm
    Never mind parti, we will soon get the recommendations from the RC. I dare say some police investigations may now go back into full swing. Let's just let the proper people deal with it.
    particolor
    2nd Nov 2014
    4:02pm
    And find out Who Pee'd in the Gunpowder ??
    Adrianus
    2nd Nov 2014
    8:20pm
    Keep your gunpowder dry if you can. All hell is going to break loose soon.
    rob101
    1st Nov 2014
    10:50pm
    I do understand Economics 101 and beyond.You just don't want to admit you were CONNED,Solomon !
    Anonymous
    2nd Nov 2014
    1:53pm
    Conned about what?
    GST is a much better tax regime than WST
    It has enabled Oz to spread the tax burden fairly by taxing everyone including those in the cash economy
    Adrianus
    2nd Nov 2014
    2:27pm
    If Keating had his way he would have introduced GST when he was Treasurer.
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2014
    10:56am
    Good Samaritan Tax ??
    rob101
    2nd Nov 2014
    2:00pm
    Soloman,I found your comments laughable about the "Cash Economy".I'll bet you believe in the Toothh Fairy and Santa.You really need to get out more.

    robert101
    Anonymous
    2nd Nov 2014
    4:07pm
    SUch an ignoramus

    Tell me who except the very poor who spend all their money on food and rent is NOT caught by the GST net.

    If you stilled your mind and THOUGHT just for a little bit, you may get a Eureka moment.
    particolor
    2nd Nov 2014
    4:39pm
    STREWTH !!! What's the Cheapest ? A couple of Cutlasses' or a Pair of Duelling Pistols ??
    Anonymous
    2nd Nov 2014
    5:02pm
    Doesnt matter. The government still gets its 10%.
    That's the beauty of GST.
    particolor
    2nd Nov 2014
    8:09pm
    Well that was Inevitable from the Toll Master !! I meant Choice of weapons for You Two Duelling Banjos !!
    Anonymous
    2nd Nov 2014
    8:18pm
    I never duel with a handicap.

    Call me when he's completed Economic 301 - Advanced Macroeconomics. And Taxation 352 - Comparative tax Avoidance and Principles of GST
    particolor
    2nd Nov 2014
    8:34pm
    That's too Complicated ! Do they have Tax Avoidance for Dummy's ??
    wally
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:12pm
    If you could publish a book "Tax Avoidance For Dummies", you would make squillions of bucks. Hopefully before you got caught and locked up! And if you could hide the money you made being a nest egg for when they let you out. If they ever did!
    moke
    2nd Nov 2014
    4:20pm
    Here we go again, regardless how much money is spent, it will not improve things until countries like china and others do their share, so why not use the money sensibly for other much needed things such as housing for the needy, HEALTH and education to name a few.
    rob101
    2nd Nov 2014
    7:56pm
    Soloman,you need to repay your Parents for paying for your education.It obviously didn't work

    robert101
    Anonymous
    2nd Nov 2014
    8:34pm
    How do you know my parents paid for my education and not Whitlam ???
    rob101
    3rd Nov 2014
    9:46am
    That's OK Soloman,a lot of guys don't know who there Father is!

    Robert101
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2014
    10:07am
    Meaning what ?? He He !!
    Adrianus
    3rd Nov 2014
    10:16am
    Is that you dad?
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2014
    11:09am
    6 Men fighting in a Bar and a Little Boy sitting outside Crying .When a Police Man comes by !
    "What are You crying for lad ?
    Boy.."My fathers in there in a Fight !"
    Cop.."Which ones Your Father ?"
    Boy.." I Dunno ! That's what their Fighting about !"
    wally
    3rd Nov 2014
    11:56am
    Or are the 6 men fighting over who gets stuck paying child support?
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2014
    11:58am
    You've Solved The Case Wally !!
    rob101
    3rd Nov 2014
    11:34am
    to Particolor and Frank,Solomans dad is probably yours also! lol

    Robert 101
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2014
    11:44am
    You always know who Mum is But Your never quiet sure about Dad ??
    Adrianus
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:01pm
    That's right. Imagine the shock when Tony Abbott embraced a photo journalist and said 'hello son' only to find out later that he wasn't. The journalist must have got that idea from someone? Anyway he could do a ;lot worse than model himself on the PM.
    We've all been in that situation, parti cularly would have wandered daized out of a 60's flower power combi van asking yourself. 'OK, where am I and how did I get here?' And why are those girls so friendly?
    wally
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:14pm
    And ask yourself "Where's me wallet?"
    particolor
    3rd Nov 2014
    12:32pm
    As Thick as Tony's Wallet !!
    Adrianus
    3rd Nov 2014
    1:09pm
    Look it has now come down to a simple choice.
    Do you want DEATH or do you want COAL? Christine Milne is now resorting to threats? She must be taking her orders direct from the dashers.
    Abby
    3rd Nov 2014
    8:58pm
    I guess the answer must be COAL ..definitely not interested in the alternative :)
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    7:50am
    Yes the alternatives are Horrendous !! Chopping up Birdies in Wind Farms and Frying them in Solar Rays !! Id much rather Linger Longer Choking on Coal Fumes ....
    Not a lot of Choice is there ??.. Water doesn't stop flowing at Night ! What's wrong with Hydro ?
    Adrianus
    4th Nov 2014
    7:54am
    Direct Action includes the building of dams for hydro.
    Surely Christine Milne didn't mean to say that did she?
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    8:20am
    She might be frightened they will Drown the Fish ??
    rob101
    4th Nov 2014
    9:29am
    The Govt wants to Privatise The Snowy Mountains Hydro.If you want to see the most efficient Hydro Power look up Cruachan Power Station in Scotland

    .
    Robert 101
    particolor
    4th Nov 2014
    9:52am
    I suppose the Water Bubbler in Hyde Park is the next Privatization Target after that ??


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