ABC to suffer more cuts

The ABC is set to lose an additional $50 million following government cuts.

ABC to suffer more cuts

When the budget was announced in May this year, Australians learned that the Government would cut $9 million from the ABC’s funding. Information released to the public yesterday revealed that a further five per cent will be cut from the national broadcaster’s annual funding.

Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull confirmed that the ABC would lose an additional $50 million a year. He defended the cuts, saying that the Government gave the ABC around $1.1 billion a year, and these new cuts were a crucial part of the Government’s plan to revive the budget, and there was “no reason for the ABC to be exempt from that."

We're spending more than we are receiving...and we've got to spend less," said Mr Turnbull on the ABC’s Q&A program on Monday night. He described the cuts to the ABC’s funding as necessary and "relatively modest savings".

The new cuts have caused a wave of outrage aimed largely at the Government. Before becoming Prime Minister, Tony Abbott confirmed that neither the ABC nor the SBS would suffer from cuts under his government.

The Opposition’s communications spokesman, Jason Clare, accused the current government of “cutting the guts out of the ABC”. He suggested that if the cuts went ahead, then the Coalition would be breaking yet another election promise, even “after they promised that they wouldn't do it.”

Read more at ABC.net.au

Opinion: Tragedy on the telly

If the Government goes ahead with cuts to ABC funding, the programs hit the hardest are expected to be news-based. Australians will likely see $6 million stripped from ABC’s radio budgets, the axeing of Friday’s state-based 7.30 program, Lateline trimmed back, TV production in South Australia cancelled completely and reporting in New Zealand, Tokyo, Bangkok and New Dehli reduced, resulting in the immediate loss of around 20 jobs.

The real cost of these cuts isn’t just a pared-down, less-comprehensive picture of local and global news. Hard working Australian families will also suffer from the Government’s cuts. Not only will the ABC lose $50 million dollars in funding per year, but some 400 to 500 of the ABC’s employees will lose their jobs, some as soon as Christmas, says The Age online.

On Q&A this week, Malcolm Turnbull denied that the cuts were fuelled by an agenda, and said the savings measures were “not punitive measures at all.” While the Government might claim it is not trying to undermine or penalise the ABC, in putting these cuts into action, it will effectively punish those Australian employees of ABC who will lose their jobs.

Is it just me, or in the Government’s aggressive attempts to turn Australia into an economic superpower, is it destroying any chance of the average Australian actually surviving? Manufacturing is closing down and moving off-shore, housing is becoming increasingly difficult to afford and budget cuts to Australian business are putting Australians out of work.

I wonder, for whom is this supposed bright, new, ludicrous economy being built? As a young, 20-something looking towards my future in this country, it doesn’t feel as though my own Government has my best interests at heart. Nor does it appear that the interests of my brothers, my parents or grandparents. Rather, this Government seems to be pursuing only its own interests. And the way it plays its cards close to its chest, only time will tell what really are these true interests.

How do you feel about these cuts to the ABC’s funding? Will you be disappointed to see programs such as Lateline and 7.30 cut? Are these job losses a sad, but necessary by-product of a government trying to tighten its belt?





    COMMENTS

    To make a comment, please register or login
    Jen
    19th Nov 2014
    10:04am
    " Malcolm Turnbull denied that the cuts were fueled by an agenda"

    What a joke. He must think we're idiots. But that's standard fare from this government.

    “not punitive measures at all.” Well, Malcolm, you and your mates are going to know all about punishment, come the next election. You can't treat the voters like idiots (and mushrooms) over and over and over and get away with it. Vote independent and put LNP last.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    12:49pm
    One look at the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), the think tank that advises this government, will show you what the agenda is. Paste the following into your browser or just look up ipa.org.au to see what I mean.
    http://ipa.org.au/news/3005/sell-off-the-abc-and-show-the-waygovernments
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    3:15pm
    Great post Jen.
    Tony Abbott did not enjoy the heat from the ABC during the last election because the various programs did not join in with the propaganda campaign from the commercial media. The commercial news outlets were blatantly biased headed by the Murdoch Press. Abbott was their man.
    If Abbott gets rid of the ABC then the Liberal Party will have no challenge in the lead up to any election because the news will be told so that Labor is the villain and Liberal are saints. Sound familiar? But then we have all seen where the money trail has gone as well as what this side of politics thinks of ordinary Australians: canon fodder.
    wally
    19th Nov 2014
    9:30pm
    Jen, are you saying that the bosses at the ABC do not have an agenda?
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:16am
    Jen, I'm sure he doesn't think you are idiots. You sure you're not over reacting?
    Paddles
    20th Nov 2014
    10:33pm
    Mick

    "The commercial news outlets were blatantly biased headed by the Murdoch Press. Abbott was their man."

    Are you overlooking completely the fact that the Murdoch press is private enterprise and not funded by taxpayers dollars?

    The Murdoch stable, like most major press organisations around the world, has a leaning to one of the traditional political sides.

    In their case, it is the Coalition but that is notionally countered by the left leaning Fairfax press We won't talk about the Guardian or other similar rags that fly the Labor banner as they are insignificant in the wider scheme.

    Whilst I cannot claim to have read it, I am given to understand that the charter under which our National Broadcaster (ABC) operates, calls for a balanced, impartial approach to the reporting and presentation of news and current affairs commentaries with a rider of declaration of interest of the particular presenter.

    The ABC is clearly derelict in observing this mandate and I am critical of the Govt for not taking sterner action to redress this situation. It has caused me to forego some programmes which I would otherwise support.
    Adrianus
    21st Nov 2014
    8:52am
    Paddles, there is another point that mick continually fails to mention in his defence of the ABC and scathing attacks on the Murdoch press. The Murdoch press is free to have a view and there were no complaints when Labor were advantaged by that view.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    10:57pm
    I have to disagree with several posters on this site who continually claim that the ABC is a left wing organisation. I fail to see that expressing both sides of a political argument is anything other than balanced.
    My argument is that the Murdoch Press, 7 media and 9 media are quite obviously right wing enterprises which edit news when it does not suit or even fail to report.
    So the question arises: do we let this government silence the only broadcaster in the country which is not stifled by vested interests or do we permit a broadcaster to debate all points of view without political censorship? Surely this is at the heart of true democracy. And if we turn the ABC into a clone of the other right wing broadcasters then do we want to live with a government which is never put out of office? If the answer is yes, and I suggest that it will be from several of the trolls, then we will have lost true democracy and will be well on the way to a dictatorship. This is not the way to go as all that we take for granted is based on freedom and freedom will go. That should be clear to all who have seen this government in action.
    Adrianus
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:03pm
    mick, I have not heard the government indicate in anyway that they wish to silence the ABC. Where do you get this information? If you have heard something, or have any evidence please present it?
    Jen
    26th Nov 2014
    10:01am
    The Schism and the ABC
    by The AIM Network

    Well worth the read. http://theaimn.com/schism-abc/#comments
    Kali-G
    19th Nov 2014
    10:12am
    Lets face it the ABC is now a socialist left wing propaganda channel.
    It is biased to the point of similar to Goebbels propaganda machine!
    Q&A is a prime example, of bias, anti conservative drivel by that man Tony somebody!
    It is a forum for long haired greenies, bogans, and the audience is handpicked lefties, idealist do gooders, anti-social anti establishment odd balls...etc...
    The Government should close it down, and start a fresh with just keeping the programs and staff whom are unbiased and produce informative and even handed programs.
    As for the so called "humor" programs of late, that appeal to anyone whose IQ is of two digits....they are an embarrassment, cringe worthy drivel, just talking head....
    Shame on the ABC!
    Ming
    19th Nov 2014
    11:16am
    Kali-G, you could not be more correct if you tried. The ABC used to be a good middle of the road broadcaster when I was young, now it is a consumer of taxes to present the views of the left. When is the Abbott government going to wake up and do something to get balance back at Aunty?
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    12:53pm
    Can you give me some examples please.? Your description seems so unfamiliar. You, obviously highly intelligent commentators, must have something to support your observations.
    Ming
    19th Nov 2014
    1:21pm
    Paulodapotter, the examples have already been provided by Kali-G, can you not identify them?
    dougie
    19th Nov 2014
    1:45pm
    Forget left wing right wing agendas just look at some of the drivel served up by this so called wonderful television. Shows such as The Chaser and other so called commedial comment on society. The foul language that this so called paragon of good taste are so filthy and puerile as to make me want to puke. Shows that I would be too embarrassed to watch with my wife or family. Once the ABC both radio and TV were the epitome of well spoken and well pronounced English language, today I shudder at the gutter filth that they so often produce. Where are our censors. The Corporation is supposed to represent the core of Australian life, what they do represent is the worst of Australian life. There are too many highly paid self opinionated so called unbiased journalists working on the news section and other current affairs shows. Just loose a few of them and the financial woes are over and we again have acceptable tv and radio production.
    I bet that the ABC will not respond to any criticism as they tend not to reply to complaints until prodded to do so. Cut the funding to ensure that only good Aussie content is used, and there is plenty, and bring the language back to represent the general community not the sleazy guttersnipe that they now consider the norm.
    Good on you Malcolm!
    brainstraina
    19th Nov 2014
    3:09pm
    The ABC does not show UNBIASED reporting .It's only since seeing The Bolt Report on Sundays that my eyes have really been opened to the bias fed to us by ABC.

    Thank you Kali-G, Ericjoan, dougie, Hasbeen & others for your views. You have voiced everything that I feel.

    Some time ago I had decided to never again watch Q&A; but last night -quite unintentionally- it was on my screen and I began to take an interest because I wanted to see how Mr. Jones and other panel members would deride and howl down Malcolm Turnbull in anything he managed to say. Unlike in the past I felt that Tony Jones was relatively fair. I have no positive comment on Elton. He and Plibersek both were able to cue the louder section of audience to laughter, applause or derision by either his 'comedic' contribution or her eye-rolling and cynical smirking.

    Paul Barry very pointedly uses the same techniques when referring to issues or opinions which are not enough to the left.

    Q&A and Media Watch are no longer on my 'to watch' list of priorities.
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    3:21pm
    What a lot of rubbish from obvious liberal party stoolies.
    Q&A is not biased in any way as it accommodates the views from both sides....unlike the Murdoch Press or the major media outlets which sanitise the news so that the liberal side of politics almost always comes out squeaky clean. It is a disgrace and the posters above who claim to be making balanced comments clearly have vested interests of their own.
    As regards the latest Q&A I saw it in part and thought that the Plibersek said vey little whilst Turnbull had quite a bit to say. I guess it is bias when this government does not get all the air time, when its point of view does not agree with the current government and when the audience finds the government point of view a joke. It all tells a story of media control in this country. The "Free Press"? In your dreams!
    nightie
    19th Nov 2014
    3:23pm
    I agree, tree hugging do gooders on Q&A there is more to Australian policitics than asylum seekers what about discussing issues related to the land and environment and China's take over of Australia, admittedly there is a lack of all the way with the USA on the ABC which isn't a bad thing! by the way, isn't SBS affliated with the ABC? Maybe they could have more commericials on SBS.
    EELS
    19th Nov 2014
    3:38pm
    Wow you guys, I was beginning to think it was just me. Their ABC is no longer mine. Sell it!
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    3:52pm
    Nighty.. You cant cut SBS Programs of all that News for the ?, Well I don't know ?? !! You'll Offend someone !!??
    Sparkles
    19th Nov 2014
    5:43pm
    I'm so heartened to read comments from people feeling the same as I feel. After watching shows like Q&A I was beginning to despair.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:19am
    Kali-G, I don't think there has ever been any doubt about that from those with reasonable judgement.
    wally
    20th Nov 2014
    10:17am
    Hi mick. Are you aware that Malcolm Turnbull is Tony Jones' favourite Liberal? Turnbull does get a better run on Q and A than most other conservative/Liberal guests on Q and A. Having read that Turnbull is a "Laborite" disguised in a Liberal "sheepskin", I am not surprised that Turnbull gets such an easy time of it. Even Plibersek restrained herself in an uncharacteristic display of self control. Maybe they put her on a leash!
    If you are looking for a Lefty propaganda machine to counter Rupert's "Evil Empire", try looking at Fair(?)fax Media.
    Paddles
    20th Nov 2014
    10:52pm
    Mick

    You have to be kidding when you say that the Q & A programme is unbiased!

    Do you have any idea about the process involved in becoming a member of the "audience"?

    You are required to fill out a questionnaire that, through cleverly directed questions, tends to identify one's political stripe and further, if you aspire to a moment of fame for "asking a question", that question must be submitted in writing with your application with no guarantee that you will get your moment in the sun.

    Apart from the ad lib comments of the panelists and questioners, the whole show is closely scripted and, I suspect, that much of what would otherwise be regarded as "ad lib" is, in fact, written into the script.

    Having watched the show for some time, the only spontaneous action that I have ever seen was when some scruffy Uni students unfurled a banner from the upper reaches of whatever hall this was being conducted in. Tony Jones near filled his breeks coz it wasn't in the script!
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    10:59pm
    I have to disagree with several posters on this site who continually claim that the ABC is a left wing organisation. I fail to see that expressing both sides of a political argument is anything other than balanced.
    My argument is that the Murdoch Press, 7 media and 9 media are quite obviously right wing enterprises which edit news when it does not suit or even fail to report.
    So the question arises: do we let this government silence the only broadcaster in the country which is not stifled by vested interests or do we permit a broadcaster to debate all points of view without political censorship? Surely this is at the heart of true democracy. And if we turn the ABC into a clone of the other right wing broadcasters then do we want to live with a government which is never put out of office? If the answer is yes, and I suggest that it will be from several of the trolls, then we will have lost true democracy and will be well on the way to a dictatorship. This is not the way to go as all that we take for granted is based on freedom and freedom will go. That should be clear to all who have seen this government in action.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    10:03am
    If the ABC is so good & so unbiased,
    see how it goes WITHOUT govt. funding -
    & just ratings & "good" management to survive !
    wally
    24th Nov 2014
    11:00am
    Hi miss aisle. What a brilliant suggestion! It would appear that the commercial media broadcasters perform more brilliantly than the ABC, despite the disparity of money spent on all media organisations. How long has SBS been accepting the "tainted money" for capitalist pig advertising, anyway? Will the "Holier than all the rest" ABC stoop to such a demeaningly low standard in accepting advertising the way the SBS has?
    Quite simply, does the ABC, with all its radio and tv stations provide value for money for the Australian tax payer? If ratings are any guide, the answer is a resounding "NO".
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    1:00pm
    wally, thanks -
    A definite resounding NO from me.
    Bella
    19th Nov 2014
    10:21am
    I think the ABC gets far too much , they are so pro labour it shows ...it should be unbiased reporting.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    10:56am
    Id rather hear Something than Absolutely NOTHING from the other side ??. Mushroom Land !
    Hasbeen
    19th Nov 2014
    1:15pm
    Not anywhere enough. They should be cut back to 250 million, & a salary cap of $130,000 places on all staff.

    My radio & TV were rusted on to the ABC for 30 years. A couple of years back I even stopped watching catalyst when it became a political promotion, rather than a science show.

    Not a single thing worth watching now, even the news with a bunch of silly little girls playing reporters, all lefty propaganda & no facts.

    Sickening.
    Marten
    19th Nov 2014
    2:53pm
    If it weren't for the ABC we would not hear and receive unbiased commentary. I quote the comments from Tom Hank: In all of this the ABC does portray some balance in reporting. Unfortunately that means they are critical of the government and for all our sake's more power to them. One can only feel great sorrow for the loss of the once great Liberal Party now being turned into a bunch of 19th Century Tories. Unquote. Having just returned from Europe I wholeheartedly agree with his observation of countries based in Scandinavia compared with the present trend followed by the government.
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    2:58pm
    Tom Hank(s): American, Actor, OSCAR winner, well known political commentator......
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    3:22pm
    I don't watch the whole raft of ABC shows Bella but from what I have seen the liberal side of politics gets more than its fair share.
    wally
    19th Nov 2014
    9:39pm
    I agree with your last post re the ABC, only you needed end your last sentence with the words "of bollocking from the presenters and "journos"". I suggest you move away from the childrens' timeslot and watch the way the host on Q and A manipulates the flow of the show to make sure the conservative point of view gets buried and only the ABC approved aagenda gets promoted.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:23am
    Bella that's a sensible statement. So you too have noticed the nasty little sarcasms during the news? The ABC comments are anti Australian and the negativity is dragging this country down the gutter.
    EELS
    20th Nov 2014
    11:22am
    The whole point is for them to report the news so that we can all form our own opinions, not just foist their one-eyed view in order to indoctrinate the weak minded.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    11:59am
    EELS, they have done a real job on mick and Paulodaplodder. It's a real shame to see good people deteriorate like that! This is what you would expect in Russia, but we are talking about Australia!! The ABC is everywhere, it's the most powerful signal in the country.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:02pm
    You have go to be kidding Frank. So the 7 and 9 news are not right wing propaganda machines? Clearly you did not watch these right wing machines operate for the 2 years before the last election.
    I have to disagree with several posters on this site who continually claim that the ABC is a left wing organisation. I fail to see that expressing both sides of a political argument is anything other than balanced.
    My argument is that the Murdoch Press, 7 media and 9 media are quite obviously right wing enterprises which edit news when it does not suit or even fail to report.
    So the question arises: do we let this government silence the only broadcaster in the country which is not stifled by vested interests or do we permit a broadcaster to debate all points of view without political censorship? Surely this is at the heart of true democracy. And if we turn the ABC into a clone of the other right wing broadcasters then do we want to live with a government which is never put out of office? If the answer is yes, and I suggest that it will be from several of the trolls, then we will have lost true democracy and will be well on the way to a dictatorship. This is not the way to go as all that we take for granted is based on freedom and freedom will go. That should be clear to all who have seen this government in action.
    Adrianus
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:08pm
    I do know that the Gillard government gave $700m to 7 so I doubt it is right wing and as for 9? Well I don't watch enough to form an opinion. But what have those 2 channels got to do with the ABC? Absolutely nothing! They are commercial channels and can do what they like!!
    Maree
    19th Nov 2014
    10:30am
    I am always amused by people using terms like lefties, idealist do gooders etc etc. immediately proclaiming their prejudices. I have heard people on the right complaining the ABC is too left-wing, people on the left claiming that it is too right-wing. As long as we have people from all sides complaining, I think the ABC is doing its job; holding all parties to account. That is its job on our behalf.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    10:53am
    HEAR ! HEAR !!
    Hobbit
    19th Nov 2014
    10:54am
    You are so right Maree. Both sides complain about the ABC which tells you they're doing it right. If you want to pick on a media organisation for bias look no further than News Corp. Murdock uses his media empire to further his political views and personal wealth daily
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    10:58am
    MORE HEAR ! HEAR !!
    Ming
    19th Nov 2014
    11:18am
    Yes Maree, doing"its job", presenting the left wing view.
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    12:39pm
    Maree: Agree wholeheartedly. The ABC must be doing something right if this poor excuse for a government can't stand the commentary from it. Malcolm Turnbull is not worth a cent these days, he just says and acts out what he is told to do. I don't know why he doesn't resign, he's lost all credibility. Without the ABC (and its charter says it must give unbiased commentary) and before being "shut-up" by his mates, Malcolm Turnbull indicated that the ABC was doing a good job.
    How come when this government tells lie after lie nobody speaks up and says they are actually lying? There is basically mild objection to many of the broken promises and that's about all that is said - they've just broken another promise.
    However, we do know that Abbott didn't put all these promises "into writing". He just "smirks" along fluffing his feathers in front of the G20 mob and doesn't give a damn about domestic matters that have been simmering since May this year. Christmas is fast approaching and the 2015 holiday season, before we know it the 2nd budget of this government will be in the making and Hockey promised us that there was "worse" to come! We will all be blamed for the "worse to come" because the first budget is bogged down due to a government that isn't trying too hard to confer with the Senate and Independents.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    12:45pm
    Ouch! The yobbos won't like that!
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    2:38pm
    There is one pleasing aspect though ! The Price of Cubans will fall with the New Trade Agreements !!
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    2:55pm
    "How come when this government tells lie after lie nobody speaks up and says they are actually lying?" Have you not been paying attention Mitzy? This site is full of people doing just that! lol
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    3:28pm
    Well spoken maree. Unfortunately ericjoan appears to be of the liberal party stoolies ont his site and he cannot live with the fact that the labor side of politics has a view and a right to express it. The attack is always the same: a leftist organisation.
    Perhaps those who are offended by the ABC should turn their attention to the Murdoch Press. I have not in 2 years been able to get one single Letter to the Editor published which has the slightest criticism of this government. No comment about the media outlet or its extreme RIGHT WING BIAS AND PROPAGANDA.
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    5:07pm
    KSS: I didn't make myself clear enough. I wasn't referring to people posting their comments on YLC but the "public at large". Anyhow it looks as if some part of my comment struck a chord!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:26am
    Maree, I have not heard any so called lefties complaining about the ABC's persistent negativity.
    jaker
    20th Nov 2014
    9:00am
    The opposite of a do-gooder is a do-badder presumably (or perhaps a do-nothinger)
    Paddles
    20th Nov 2014
    11:06pm
    Never thought I'd say it folks but, increasingly, I am coming around to almost hoping that the current polls are correct and that we ahve a change of Govt at the next election.

    My further wish is that the Lib/National coalition put up no resistance to whatever is proposed, and therefore enactede, by the Labor party.

    Whilst not opposing Labor initiatives on the floor and thus giving them a free ride, I would like to see the Coalition spell out their alternatives IF THEY WERE IN GOVERNMENT.

    After all, it is only three years between elections and, based on past performances, that should suffice to show if the country is really on the right path.

    I guess that this would amount to calling Labor's bluff and thereafter letting the people decide if their current poll support for Labor is well placed.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:07pm
    Even John Singleton was flogging Independents last week as he came to the conclusion that both Labor and Liberal candidates were useless. That is some turn around for Singo.
    The problem with both parties is that there is no democracy left in either party and you have a handful of MPs governing the country and a majority of the parties little more than paid stooges.
    And then you have trolls, many of them paid, to flog how good the coalition is. It is sickening that some Australians have so little moral fibre left.
    Rock
    19th Nov 2014
    10:45am
    Cut the liberals from government, that would save alot more garbage and lies
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    10:59am
    But what if we like Garbage and Lies ??
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    12:17pm
    Hear hear Rock, regardless of what people think of the ABC it once again shows up the coalition lies
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    12:44pm
    Lying is endemic in politics, but Rock, you should list the lies for the benefit of those who are sadly uninformed, ignorant and one-eyed. There are yobbos out there that only believe moneyed up shock jocks and the Murdoch press.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    2:35pm
    YES !!!! And Boy haven't I noticed it !! Don't You Dare say anything Nice about the Labor Party on Talk Back Radio Or You will be Executed !! "We have a Bad Line! I'm sorry ! CLICK !!!".. "OW ! Their gone !!" ... "NEXT "
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    3:31pm
    Well said Paulodapotter. So true. Have you noticed that there was a "she lied" campaign for ONE LIE whilst there is hardly a whimper when this government LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING. I find this hard to reconcile. It reeks of governments owned by the private sector, which should be illegal as it is morally corrupt if not corrupt in its very nature.
    wally
    20th Nov 2014
    10:24am
    Was Abbott telling lies when he said he would stop the
    boats?
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    10:03am
    They ran out of Boats !! They are building New Ones !!
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:09pm
    I think you picked one where Abbott was spot on. Sad wally that you choose to ignore what you know to be true: that Abbott and his henchmen lied about almost everything. That is the reality.
    Adrianus
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:11pm
    Was Abbott lying about getting rid of the carbon tax?
    particolor
    24th Nov 2014
    9:35am
    COUGH ! COUGH !! NO...
    wally
    24th Nov 2014
    11:24am
    mick, while we are discussing the subject of liars in Australia's highest offices, can you tell us how many times Wayne Swan told the Australian public how he was bringing down a budget surplus? Was in one? Or two? Maybe four, or was it five? Exactly how many budget surpluses (as a measure of government financial wisdom and responsibility) did Wayne Swan deliver? The answer is None. With a track record of "getting the sums right" like Swan's we can see he is a fool, an incompetent or a liar. Most likely, he is all three. But the real fools are the ones that keep electing him to Parliament, where he still has his snout in the trough. At least Rudd and Gillard had the decency to leave Parliament. .
    particolor
    24th Nov 2014
    8:38pm
    And I see it well worth their while to do so !!
    Reeper
    19th Nov 2014
    10:48am
    The ABC has become nothing but a media arm for socialists and radicals, whilst paying capitalist salaries to inert management. It's current affairs shows are contrived and none of the hosts show any impartiality. The ABC needs a thorough cleansing, top to bottom and until thst happens, it needs an independent watchdog with veto powers on individuals and programmes which continue with the current bigotry
    Brissiegirl
    19th Nov 2014
    11:16am
    What makes me angry is that all taxpayers are funding their bias. You Reeper are so accurate in saying they promote socialists and radicals whilst accepting capitalist salaries. You got it.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    12:40pm
    Please provide me with one jot of evidence that this is true.
    Tom Tank
    19th Nov 2014
    1:17pm
    Given that the Murdoch media empire controls some 80% of media outlets in Australia then the bulk of the population get exposed to relentless right wing propaganda.
    Any criticism of this point of view is then vilified as socialism.
    Really I don't any of the contributors to this column would know a socialist if they fell over one.
    This country does NOT have a socialist media outlet at all. If you don't believe that check up on other countries, especially in Europe.
    Most contributors would say that Scandinavian countries are socialist with their welfare, education and health arrangements. Strangely these countries are all prospering rather nicely while Australia is on a downward spiral with job losses and the less well off carrying the economic burden while the top end of town are laughing all the way to the bank
    In all of this the ABC does portray some balance in reporting. Unfortunately that means they are critical of the government and for all our sake's more power to them. One can only feel great sorrow for the loss of the once great Liberal Party now being turned into a bunch of 19th Century Tories
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    3:34pm
    Id love to see an Independent Watchdog Reeper. And I'd like to see this watchdog putting the blowtorch to the Murdoch Press and the 7 and 9 media.
    If you think the ABC is biased because it presents the views of BOTH SIDES then read and watch the above. Better still try and get anything which points out this government in a bad light. You don't have a chance as the above organisations protect a dishonest government...which was elected using extreme bias.
    Sceptic
    19th Nov 2014
    4:46pm
    Very, very false Tom Tank. Murdoch media empire controls some 80% of media outlets in this country is really something that I would like to see you try to prove. In 2011 Kevin Rudd claimed it was 70% against and actual 23% of newspaper titles. By circulation it is 59%+ (perhaps indicating popularity. See http://theconversation.com/factcheck-does-murdoch-own-70-of-newspapers-in-australia-16812.

    mick, The ABC has 100% left leaning presenters of all serious news and opinion programmes. Against The Australian and the Melbourne Herald Sun has permanent left columnists on its staff as well as regular columnists from the left, including ALP politicians and others like Marr.

    You may also like to refer to http://theconversation.com/whose-views-skew-the-news-media-chiefs-ready-to-vote-out-labor-while-reporters-lean-left-13995 , and perhaps get a better understanding of just how false your constant claims are.
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    9:15pm
    Funny how ALL sides of politics get their say on Q&A Sceptic whilst any criticism of this government and the Liberal Party more generally is off limits with the Murdoch publications. Try and get any letter published when you highlight anything rotten which comes out of this government. THEY DO NOT PRINT!!
    Perhaps you need to talk about BIAS rather than labelling any media outlet which refuses to participate in one sided propaganda as leftist. That is a cheap shot from those who extoll the government' propaganda.
    Whilst I do not watch a great deal of ABC programs I have not observed bias in the news, Q&A or The Business (which is as right wing as they come). So lets end the crap and begin some honest and balanced discussion.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    9:21pm
    I've renamed them the... Shuduppa You Face Party ..
    wally
    19th Nov 2014
    9:42pm
    Hear Hear and here.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:32am
    Reeper, there are many people who share your view. They can't all be wrong.
    wally
    20th Nov 2014
    10:22am
    Hi mick. If we are going to have an Independent Media Watch Dog to keep the Buggers honest (to paraphrase Don Chipp), I would nominate someone who would have little love for media outlets on both sides of the political spectrum and that person would be Pauline Hanson!
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    10:07am
    We will be invaded by Chips !!
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:13pm
    Reeper: and the 7 and 9 media outlets and the Murdoch Press need regulation to stop the one sided propaganda reporting...often called extreme bias.
    The ABC permits both sides to speak. The above group censor the news and avoid much of anything which shows the coalition in a bad light. You are certainly aware of that. And now you and others chase the ABC for giving Labor a voice where all other outlets silence it. This is wrong if you want Australia to remain a democracy.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    9:57am
    mick, if the govt. sells the ABC,
    they can report how they like,
    & the ratings will determine whether it survives ??
    wally
    24th Nov 2014
    11:31am
    parti, re your post of 10.07 above, did you mean chimps instead of chips? If so, I certainly hope not as Federal Parliament is beginning to look like a collection of out takes from the Plant of the Apes! Believe me, we do not need any more monkeys squabbling about who is going to run the place!
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    4:57pm
    wally, the post above the "chips" mentioned Pauline Hanson,
    and Pauline used to run a fish & chips shop.
    Daffoir
    19th Nov 2014
    10:54am
    The ABC is just another Government Department and unlike the Commercials does not really have to worry about ratings (althought it appears to in the way it pays some of its journalists and TV 'stars'). Like all APS orgs (I worked in one for 43 years) it will be bloated with people at the EL and SES level and a serious number of people overpaid for what they do. But those who will get fired will be the bottom end of town - the actual doers will go and the deciders will stay and gnash their teeth to anyone that comes within tooth grinding range. Turnbell's cuts are spot on as every Govvie department could take a 25% cut over 5 years - they just have to sack the right people/activities - but that is hard because the bludgers have ALL the time to defend their position.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    12:57pm
    G'day Leila, you're right and you should write in and offer to sacrifice 25% of your income and give it to the govvie to save us all from going down the gurgler.
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    3:36pm
    The last thing you want Leila is an organisation which is a toothless tiger. This government would love to sell the ABC so that it could be bought by one of the commercial stations and turned into another disciple of this government, but failing that starving the ABC is the next best thing. It looks like plan B is the chosen option.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    5:01pm
    Disciples have Benefits ! They get to have Supper with The Boss !!
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    9:16pm
    And they get crucified when they stop supporting the team.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    9:24pm
    They even Clap When He Gaffs !!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:35am
    Leila, I agree, they have simply been empire building over the years and under the previous government with money flowing like wine at an orgy old aunty was doing the highland fling!!
    EELS
    20th Nov 2014
    1:48pm
    The ABC is too big. We are paying for 6 TV stations, numerous radio stations, a bookshop and an online news outlet. The ABC 'stars' are paid bloated salaries ( e.g. Tony Jones $355,789 a year) and what do they care, they don't have to chase the ratings they just run a closed workshop.
    Mark Scott the self titled Editor in Chief earns almost $770,000 per year and he doesn't bother to edit!
    "COMMUNICATIONS Minister Malcolm Turnbull has demanded that ABC managing director Mark Scott and SBS chief executive Michael Ebeid explain why the two public broadcasters went head-to-head for the free-to-air broadcast rights to soccer’s Asian Cup.
    By competing against each other, the broadcasters increased the cost to taxpayers by about $700,000". Outrageous!
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:15pm
    EELS: have a look at the cost of even 1 of our new fighter jets. These are from all accounts lemons and we are buying 58 of them. And you are screaming about the ABC????
    wally
    24th Nov 2014
    11:44am
    sorry, mick, but I would prefer to see the money spent on defence instead of ABC propaganda that ultimately will blow away like a puff of smoke. Past experience shows that all aircraft have developmental problems (including the F111 that was once derided as the "Flying Edsel" and served in the RAAF for around 40 years). and the new ones present development problems before they are fit for service as well. As far as buying off the plan and then having years of tinkering to get the product right, do you remember all the fuss made over Australia's anachronistic, non=nuclear Collins Class submarines? How long ago was that, how long have they been in service, and what sort submarines are replacing them?
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    4:53pm
    mick - where are your priorities?
    Comparing defence costs to the ABC ??
    Brissiegirl
    19th Nov 2014
    11:11am
    It's better late than never to cut the ABC. I wish their fat-cat management personnel and biased political presenters would all be replaced. The ABC has morphed into a taxpayer funded branch of the Australian Labor Party. Why should taxpayers be expected to fund a Labor media outlet? No matter our political persuasion, and mine changes from one election to the next, what we see on Q&A, Lateline, 7.30 Report, Insiders is blatant political bias and even a subtle form of free advertising for the socialist ALP. The ABC should be unquestionably, transparently independent. It needs a damned good clean-out with all positions thrown open in order to recruit a fair cross-section of views and presentation styles. Cut their funding much, much further Mr Turnbull, or are you too scared they will cut you in return?
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    12:59pm
    Oh come on, you must be a secret leftie with those views or maybe you're a secret fascist. Damn, I can't for the life of me see your bias!
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    3:40pm
    What a crock Brissiegirl.
    You are just advocating what some of the government stoolies on this site are also advocating: to eliminate any dissent and have 100% control of all media stations in the country.
    There's a reason why the 7:30 Report is the most popular in the country. Might it be that people are tired of dumbed down stories and a refusal to address the real political stories in the nation?
    Be careful what you advocate lest you have a falling out with your party.
    EELS
    19th Nov 2014
    4:46pm
    Well said Brissiegirl. I agree with your sentiments again.
    Jen
    19th Nov 2014
    5:07pm
    Have you actually watched the ABC Brissiegirl? Without the blinkers? Did you ever notice headlines from the Murdoch press, day after day after day contemptuously printing right-leaning lies? Did you think that was unbiased? Don't make me laugh!
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    5:20pm
    Its quite amazing how so many of you ABC haters profess not to watch it, but can give quite damning comments about it. If you are so opposed to Q&A, 7.30 report, Lateline, Insiders etc. it could be time to switch to "The Drum" and give that a bashing as well. As far as Lateline is concerned, the ABC was considering cutting it because of the funding cuts, but there was such an outcry not too, I guess there are still a lot of people happy to have Auntie ABC around for years to come yet.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    5:35pm
    YEP !!
    Brissiegirl
    19th Nov 2014
    5:35pm
    Jen, my taxes aren't compulsorily paying for Murdoch press. Or Fairfax. The ABC has become a self-perpetuating ALP empire. It is no longer "our" ABC - it is "their" ABC. Wasn't their 2013 New Years' Eve production something to behold? Disgusting and degrading. Consecutive governments have presided over a taxpayer funded media giant that no longer appeals to the wider Australian population. Turnbull won't do anything about it because ABC presenters falsely patronise his ego as a deliberate pro-Labor stunt. That's how low they have sunk.
    Kali-G
    19th Nov 2014
    6:59pm
    Very well stated Brissiegirl, spot on...thanx
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    9:22pm
    MITZY: one of the feelings that I keep getting is that there are a core of posters who are anything other than private citizens. I caught one out (Solomon) who owned up that he was a card carrying Liberal and that he was paid a yearly retainer for services to the party. Given some of the most ignorant ongoing attacks whilst at the same time idolising this government I believe that there are indeed a number of paid political trolls trying to turn the older community against every other party other than their employers.
    Just my considered opinion. I may be wrong but then I have spent a lifetime in the people business and the writings of some posters paints a compelling picture.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    9:29pm
    I haven't seen Him for days ?? Someone must have Hit Him with the old Pea Bo .
    Or "what's this ? MORTEIN ! AH ! I've had it !!"
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:38am
    Yes Brissiegirl, The ABC just like the ALP and the Greens is also owned by the Unions. I guess they are the ones with all the money now.
    EELS
    20th Nov 2014
    5:41pm
    Hey Jen, we as taxpayers don't pay for the Murdoch press. That's the difference. They can be as biased as they please. Just don't buy their publications.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:18pm
    Remember that the coalition is owned by big business interests and acts for those interests. Getting rid of the ABC would be high on that agenda as you wouldn't want a Carbon Tax if it impedes the coal business model would you. And you also would not want to hear any alternative opinion lest is weaken the monopoly which big business has in our nation.
    Be careful that you don't get what you call for.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    9:53am
    mick, the main business the coalition is in right now -
    is paying for the crazy schemes of the previous govt.
    particolor
    24th Nov 2014
    2:14pm
    And the Next government will pay for the Crazy Schemes of this one !! And so it rolls along forever !! Amen !!
    Not Senile Yet!
    19th Nov 2014
    11:15am
    Yep ...lets sack the whole of the ABC for biased reporting!!!
    While we are at it let's sack the whole of the Political Parties....they are obviously biased to their own Left or Right Point of View!!!!
    Then we can get rid of all the Unions because they are biased to the workers point of view!!!
    Next comes all the Organisations that are one-eyed about anything.......let's get rid of them too!!!!
    Then we can become a Republic and appoint an even more biased idiot as our Leader.........maybe Adolf has a living relative somewhere here????
    Goody Goody.....we are the Land of Morons.......we all believe such crock from our Mindless Puppet Leaders......no wonder they call us the undeclared state of the USA.......
    Get a Life you guys......democracy is about everyone disagreeing with everyone else and being able to do WITHOUT recrimination!!!!
    The stupid biased comments are unbecoming by the lot of you who should know better in you wise years!!!!
    Brissiegirl
    19th Nov 2014
    11:23am
    If the ABC were conservative-biased, you would probably object, and rightly so. If we can't observe and admit in all honesty that a taxpayer funded broadcaster should at least be equally fair in its presentations, then we are definitely stupid. We are not stupid for expressing dissatisfaction with something so obvious and unprincipled.
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    11:43am
    As the Editor of the Tele said on QAndA All other media outlets have been cut to the bone to survive .
    In the meantime the ABC gets over a billion dollars to broadcast to a few of its own . Inner city trendy lefties..
    It has no idea of what the ordinary Aussies think .. The 88 per cent who don't belong to Unions . So can't join the Labor party..
    It is not the ABC that used to be but has been captured by a few.
    mangomick
    19th Nov 2014
    11:51am
    Wonder how many of these "Inner city trendy lefties.." sit down and watch Landline. They all must be contemplating a Tree Change perhaps.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    12:26pm
    Unfortunately, we are living in the age of the yobbos. How about some informed and balanced viewpoints instead of this abusive one-eyed view of the world. The ABC is one of the sanest organisations left in a money dominated communication world. Tell me please, what is the vested interest that makes the ABC left wing or right wing. We know what Murdoch's vested interests are. Opinions and viewpoints are driven by vested interests as is obvious by the one-eyed views of the extreme left and right.
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    12:27pm
    I watch landline its a good programme . But not worth a billion a year.
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    12:31pm
    When we purchase a newspaper we are aware of the view point and are parting with our own money . We know the Age has a strong left wing view . and the Australian a tilt to the right .
    The ABC is funded by taxpayers and its charter is to be balanced . Which it is not .
    mangomick
    19th Nov 2014
    12:38pm
    Pete according to Turnbull himself it is unbiased.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:04pm
    G'day Mangomick, the yobbos won't like that. It seems that no-one understands vested interest. You can detect that in every commercial media outlet. But what's the ABC's vested interest. Why on earth would they pander to the left or right. I don't get it.
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    1:07pm
    Gee Whiz the "righties" are having a picnic today.
    Mangomick: Yes, you are right, Turnbull did indicate the ABC is unbiased as I indicated earlier. Whatever government is in power it is the job of the media including the ABC, to hold that government to account on our behalf.
    The ABC when it comments on government announcements is the voice we need regardless of whether Coalition or Labor is in power. We certainly won't get very much "unbiased" commentary from the Murdoch papers or Channel 7 to the current government and the Telegraph and certain radio stations certainly have their 5 cents worth if Labor is in power.
    Its just the way it is. Anyhow all these ABC haters here seem to spend a lot of time watching the ABC, so it can't be too bad ....!
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:17pm
    I like that!
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    2:29pm
    I was thinking the same Mitzy !!.. They must Screen Shaped Eyes from Watching the ABC ! To offer such in Depth and Informed Comment ??? ..
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    3:03pm
    Mitzy, I don't think its the role of the media to hold the Government to account. That's the role of us - the electorate.

    The role of the media is to report, not comment on or become the news themselves.
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    3:47pm
    Pete: the editor from the Telegraph also said that the paper had no bias. Given the one sided 'reporting, if you could call it that,' for almost 2 years before the last federal election I suggest that anything said by this lady has to be taken with a very large grain of salt.

    KSS: if the media does not run the debate then who does? The liberal party? The Labor party? Come on....the whole idea of a Free Press is to keep the bastards honest by REPORTING THE FACTS, not propaganda.
    The media has become a player rather than just reporting the news. And this is where you have issues when you have big business own the media and people like Rupert Murdoch whose may have a view but who does not have the right to make this a reality through his monopoly of publications.
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    5:30pm
    KSS: How much say have you had to hold this government or any government to account? I guess if you want to praise it, your letter would get published in the Telegraph, however, if you wanted to raise a point in defence of the ABC, in the Telegraph, good luck trying! The ABC is our voice, unbiased according to Malcolm Turnbull and its Charter. It's a pity he's become a voice in the wilderness.
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    7:52pm
    Mick and Mitzy if you hold your own bias in check for a second and read what I actually said which was the role of the nedia is to REPORT not comment on or become the news its self. We all have the ability to hold any government to account, Its called the ballot box.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    8:46pm
    I think its been renamed now ?? The Baloney Box !
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    9:26pm
    KSS: great suggestion. Onviously you do not remember what happened for the 2 years and during the last election campaign. I do. There was a blatant propaganda campaign from the Murdoch publications and the big media players in this country joined in. The only exception was the ABC. So now it is payback and an attempt to silence any honest reporting in the future.
    The ballot box? A theoretical solution which has a purpose but which can be rorted by treacherous behaviour from big business and the Liberal side of politics. A shameful abuse of true democratic process.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:40am
    Not, you were on a roll there until you made the false statement that the Unions are biased toward the workers.
    wally
    20th Nov 2014
    10:33am
    So the Unions are biased in the workers' favour? Did the actions of Craig Thompson and Julia's onetime boyfriend union boss display a bias toward looking after the welfare of the Union rank and file? More likely their bias was in getting their hands on Union funds to use to their personal advantage. and They were so blatantly arrogant about what they were up to that they got caught. Are there any more, smarter, union bosses out there whose skulduggery has not yet been exposed?
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    10:45am
    There is something wrong about a union boss getting a resignation package in the order of $12m. Worse still is to hear that he wouldn't go because it was not enough.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    6:38pm
    How is it possible that the CFMEU can give the ALP $20m for campaign advertising? I guess its just the same organisation, but where on earth did they get that sort of serious cash???
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:24pm
    I have not heard about any union boss getting a $12 million package. If that were true then the ICAC would have indicted that person.
    But lets not forget that Westpac CEO Gail Kelly took home $13 million last year and plenty of other CEOs have their snouts in the feeding trough and are supported by this government. This is why Abbott and his cronies tried to overturn the FOFA reforms....they had no interest in protecting average Australians but rather just the banks.
    So don't lecture me about union rorts Frank. The end of town YOU support are full of corruption and rorts but i never ever hear you say a single word about any of them...whilst you troll the anti Labor tripe you do. I think that genuine posters on this site can see through you.
    wally
    24th Nov 2014
    11:55am
    mick, I must point out that Gail Kelly was paid out of Westpac's profits that were earned under her leadership. Obscenely excessive or not, it is not workers' union dues that provided this amount, nor was it taxpayers funds. I do wish that the "wowsers" stop fretting about where other peoples' money comes from or how they choose to spend it, as long as it is legitimate and has not been misappropriated from unsuspecting unionists under false pretences ala Thompson.
    Judy in the hills
    19th Nov 2014
    11:38am
    Apparently already there are NO programs generated in Perth or Brisbane or I guess in Tasmania - so the axing of staff and potential programs in Adelaide is just following on with what the ABC has decided to do anyway, regardless of any reduction in monies that the Liberal Government is making. It swallows huge amount of all tax payers monies but ends up giving such biased views that it has become a laughing stock among those who have both eyes open. The ABC unfortunately does not give unbiased coverage for all Australians - if it wasn't so left wing in all of its attitudes, there would be much more sympathy for it.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:05pm
    But why would they do that? There's got to be a motive surely?
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    1:23pm
    Judy in the hills: You obviously didn't watch Q & A and Turnbull on Monday evening. Read Mangomick below, and above. Your comments just sound like the typical diabtribe one reads in the Murdoch papers and the Coalitiion-biased tv and radio stations. The cuts already made to the ABC earlier this year should be enough for it to do some trimming, without having a further 5% added. There are a lot of quality programmes on the ABC and nobody seems to have touched on them at all, all the commentary here is just "political". The ABC has a charter to adhere to and it does so, according to Malcolm Turnbull.
    If the government didn't keep cutting more and more taxes from the big end of town and the mining industry etc. they would have more money in the coffers.
    If they did away with the PPL and did some homework to close loopholes allowing many multi-nationals to pay none or hardly any taxes in Australia, they would not have to impose $7 co-payments, petrol excise, reduced methods of calculating the pensioners' pension rises etc.
    I just wonder how many more hidden agendas are in the pipeline?
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:29pm
    Mitzy, it's good to have another thinker in our midst, but I'm afraid it will be lost on those who find analysis difficult.
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    5:40pm
    Thanks Paulodapotter: I've had a few jobs in my lifetime (most in private enterprise) where I have had close contact with government MPs both state and federal and from the Coalition and Labor sides. Presently, I'm quite unimpressed with both sides and I think it would be hard for anybody who wanted to vote for an Independent to find a decent one of those too.
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    9:31pm
    Judy: would you prefer a Murdoch based media where there is rarely, if never, any criticism published against the Liberal side of politics? Or would you like to see an end to the hugely popular Q&A style program where all political persuasions get to put their side?
    The problem we face is that the ABC is the only big player left in the nation which is not a one sided biased rag operating for the benefit of the major shareholder and his big business mates.
    Personally, I would advocate that the media laws, which have been watered down for decades, are tightened up again so that propaganda campaigns are attacked for what they. At present they are game on and that is wrong is a supposedly 'free' ??) society.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:42am
    Judy, they can stop beaming the Australian Rules Football into Asia as well because nobody is watching it. It is not an international game.
    mangomick
    19th Nov 2014
    11:43am
    Didn't Malcolm Turnbull himself say that he gets lots of email and it's nearly exactly 50/50 of people whinging that the ABC is biased either too far to the left or too far to the right .
    With Australia virtually split 50/50 Labor or LNP after you take out the 10% or so who favour the Greens or Independents it's no wonder his emails are evenly split.
    One would have to think though that with the tight lips over turning the ships around, treatment of refugees in those camps and free access to those camps,this Government is one who is a great believer in stymieing information to the General Public.
    Obviously they believe that what the public don't know the public wont care about.Commercial TV great if you are really only interested in what "Hollywood Celebrities" are doing .Australia deserves free unfettered and unbiased reporting. Rather see my tax dollars going there than to Security overkill as we have just witnessed.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:07pm
    Good heavens! A balanced outlook. How refreshing. Thanks Mango.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    2:45pm
    YEP !!
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    9:35pm
    You needed to hear Turnbull on the 7:30 Report tonight. Apparently Abbott pledge to not cut funding to the ABC on the eve of the election contradicted Turnbull and Hockey's view....so Turnbull tried to have a bet each way. And what came after that was just as sickly.
    Give me strength. It appears that the whole government barrel is a bunch of lying misfits. Enough to make even a hardened old codger feel sick in the stomach. I am disgusted by these people as they have sold their souls and now have become vile people.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    9:42pm
    What can I do with a Whole Barrel Full of Rotten Apples ?? I cant make Cider with it and The Farm Animals wont eat it anymore !!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:46am
    Mango, the only issue I have is that I would rather the Government do it's job than have the ABC in control, which is the way things worked when the Unions where in government.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:26pm
    So now big business in in government. Quite obvious. Taxes on the poor and money being sent to the rich. All supported by coalition troll Frank.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    9:50am
    mick, any taxes, are all targetted straight to pay off Labor's debt -
    like a missile!
    justme
    19th Nov 2014
    11:51am
    I would rather explore what value for money we taxpayers are getting for so many tv and radio stations. Personally I would like to see the abc try to justify why they get so much. I'm definitely not convinced were getting vfm; but rather the opposite.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:11pm
    Actually, the ABC doesn't have to justify its existence. It's there because the public who see its value, want it there. Don't you find it a valuable source of information? If not, where do you get yours from? Unbiased sources like the Murdoch press? Commercial TV? Internet? If you do a little research you'll actually find you get vfm even if you never watch the ABC. Let me know if you want to know how.
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    3:11pm
    "It's there because the public who see its value, want it there"
    Paulodapotter, SOME people want it there but many more don't if viewing figures are anything to go by.

    "If you do a little research you'll actually find you get vfm even if you never watch the ABC". ARE we getting value for our $1.5 billion? That is the real question. And it has nothing to do with bias one way or the other.
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    9:38pm
    Come off the grass KSS. Are you into political trolling as well? You know full well that the 7:30 Report is the country's most popular current affairs program. And Q&A also has a huge following. In fact one of the panel stated that he could not watch the commercial channels and watched the ABC.
    If you are going to fib then join the Liberal Party and run for office. You'll fit in well.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    9:48pm
    I'm not eating this Pudding ! There no Proof in it !!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:49am
    justme, I think the Gillard government also gave $700m to Chanel 7.
    KSS
    21st Nov 2014
    12:29pm
    Oh Mick how predictable you are. I have not at any stage in this discussion made mention of any bias at the ABC or whether I agree or disagree there is any. Please confine your responses to commenting on what I have actually written, not what you interpret I have written. A single program with reasonable viewing figures does not make the TV station a popular one. It makes it a popular program. It is a relatively cheap program to make. That does not seem to represent value for money to me. If $1.1 -1.5 billion dollars of our money is being spent to support the ABC (TV and Radio and the SBS) then surely we have the right to ensure that it is being spent wisely. That has nothing to do with bias or political colouring and I should not be subjected to your incessant name calling for saying so.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:34pm
    It is rather tiring when bloggers use the 'value for money' slogan whilst not doing the same in any other area of politic. So where is the value for money in governments employing many heads of department? Cost $800 000 pa each And where is the value in buying 58 new jet fighters of questionable value @ $12 billion (they'll cost more by the time we get them)?
    I may be predictable KSS but I try to be fair in a sea of those who post right wing gup with the normal anti union and anti Labor propaganda. Better you all deal with policies and conduct..........or should I say misconduct for this unsavory government.
    Whilst I do not object to trimming a bit out of the ABC budget I do most certainly disagree with this government pursuing the ABC because it dares to criticise dishonest and bad government. That is its job....as long as it does this fairly. From what I can see it does give both sides a say...and this is what Abbott objects to.
    Young
    19th Nov 2014
    11:54am
    Malcolm Turnbull handled the situation magnificently on Q and A.Most of the audience was handpick end and most of the panel are always anti the current government.Well done Malcolm.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:16pm
    How do you know the audience was handpicked? How often do you watch Q&A? I agree the panel was certainly anti-government last time. Perhaps they had reason. How on earth do you defend yourself when what you've done is wrong. Malcolm came across as he usually does, as an apologist for the excesses of the present government, which I hope will eventually lead to his taking over the leadership of the LNP.
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    1:28pm
    Billy: At the beginning of every Q&A after Tony Jones introduces the panel, on the screen comes a notice indicating what percentages of people i.e. Coalition, Labor, Greens, and/or Others and in the audience. Most of the time there is not a great deal of difference between the percentages of the people who state their political viewpoint.
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    5:42pm
    Billy: And, on Q&A on Monday night, Malcolm Turnbull indicated that the e-mails he received from the public are around 50% for and against the ABC?
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    10:17pm
    In your dreams Billy. You should have Turnbull on the 7:30 Report tonight. My assessment is that he was caught out lying and that he came across as non credible. He did a bit better on Q&A.
    Your assessment of the Q&A panel and audience is a joke Billy as the panel had Turnbull and a Murdoch employee who both ended up doing most of the talking. I do not know about the audience but are you suggesting that it is 'picked' on political grounds? Your post lacks credibility.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:50am
    Billy, you have to remember that shows like Q & A are staged for those with low IQ's.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:37pm
    So where is your evidence that the Q&A panel was "hand picked"? Is that because the questions were directed at the heart of the sitting government? And this did not happen when Labor was in the same position?
    Your view Billy is biased as you want a different set of rules for your football team than you do for the other side.
    Oars
    19th Nov 2014
    12:06pm
    All Government Departments face cut backs thanks to the wastefull/votecatching spending sprees of the previous Labor party. Again we see this platform trying to bolster up Labor and their biased mates that squat at the ABC. Still doing what they do best- bagging anything or anyone that faces reality and tries to get this great country back to where it was before the party animals hit town.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:19pm
    Gee, can you give me an example, please, then we might have a discussion.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    2:50pm
    Party Animals ?? I'm Sorry You weren't Invited to the G20 Pig Out !!
    Oars
    19th Nov 2014
    6:57pm
    Paulodapper: Please review the blowout in "school fiasco" $47Billion and only $20Billion accounted for, and tuck shpois that did not work as well as the previous ones. (I think the ABC reported on that too not so long ago ). Try checking that out and watch your back as "they" have closed the door on the independent investigators. Funny that . And you think Russia is closed doors.!!
    Oars
    19th Nov 2014
    7:05pm
    PartiColour Green??? Yes I was at the G20 in a sense. I too want to see all companies pay their tax in the region that they make their profit. You may find the details of this are far more widespread than this little chat show. Try looking into the loans paid back to Moma company that happened to have its "loan facility" in a tax hideout. No you are typical of many that only see the window dressing, yet never venture into the shop. Read more, forget you bias against papers and media at large. You had a brain once- use it- it may surprise you what eventuates. Mordillo was locked up for "daring to be different". Are you a Mordillo or a sheep ?? It's your choice.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    9:08pm
    Anyone would think that the Labor Party was the only Government elected that was Ripped Off ?Or had Us Pipped off !!. I know a couple of few Liberal Party one too, But wont go there, like some on here that Dribble the Past by us at every opportunity !!
    All governments support their backers and let them have Hidey Holes !! Until now when all I think all they are doing is Making a Big Bloody noise about it Because the Public has had enough !!.. And nothing will come of it unless they get Desperate for Cash ! Because they cant get their way !! What the Next thing they will Sneak past the Senate ?? Its always something that only effects the not so well off among us !!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:54am
    Oars, if only we could have accounted for all of that money. What a tragedy ! What a stupid idea to give the unions the keys to Treasury.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:42pm
    Oars: you are in dreamworld mate. Gah gah!
    Whilst in fairyland have you noticed that it is THIS GOVERNMENT which removed the borrowing upper limit and that this government had added another $30 billion to what we owe the rest of the world? Inconvenient facts? I thought so.
    And whilst you are in fairyland ask yourself where this 'great government' of yours is sending huge amounts of taxpayer dollars. Answer: the rich and their business interests.....$8 BILLION A YEAR to coal, oil and gas.
    And you squawk about the ABC with its $1 billion annual budget???
    mangomick
    19th Nov 2014
    12:17pm
    As the Late Jim Morrison once said, "Whoever controls the Media controls the mind.

    In 1917, Congressman Oscar Calloway documented in the official Congressional record that multi-millionaire JP Morgan had infiltrated the U.S. media for the sole purpose of exploiting and controlling it.
    This was a key step towards total information and news control in the United States, giving birth to censorship, disinformation and propaganda.
    As if that wasn't bad enough, the CIA made its own foray into news control in the 1940s with a program to infiltrate the media, with the idea to have select journalists parrot the official government line under the guise of national patriotism.

    One thing the CIA understands well is that information is as good as gold, and he who controls information can use that data for political gain, power and wealth.Through the years Operation Mockingbird lured such venerable broadcast icons as Walter Lippmann, Edward R. Murrow, and Walter Cronkite, to name but just a few elite out of hundreds of broadcasters and noted journalists involved in the program.
    According to released Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) documents, a great many of the U.S As hallowed media outlets were alleged to be involved with the Mockingbird project, including over 400 journalists who were used for numerous assignments, not to mention many publishing institutions which were also rumored to be involved
    Washington Post reporter Carl Bernstein was reportedly once told, "One journalist is worth twenty agents."
    The Church Committee in 1975 revealed Operation Mockingbird. Senator Frank Church (D-ID) testified that the overall expense of disinformation had cost American taxpayers an estimated $265 million a year. That number has grown exponentially since the 70s.
    The commission was stopped in its tracks by none other than CIA Directors William Colby (73-76) and George HW Bush (76-77). The report from Frank Church's committee was said to have been deliberately buried.
    Despite its exposure, Mockingbird apparently did not die. FOIA documents were eventually uncovered that showed CIA agents openly bragging through interoffice memos that the agency still had in place "important assets" within every major news organization in the U.S. In 1982, the CIA admitted to having reporters on their payroll.
    One would have to wonder why the LNP have the demise of the ABC in their sights.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:25pm
    Holy mackerel, Mango, this is one of the first well-informed blog posts I have read since venting my views. You probably noticed you got few responses. This is due to the fact that most of our bloggers are not well informed, but have got plenty to grumble about. Most of what you posted would go right over the head of most of them, but the analogy was brilliant and I urge our all our bloggers read it and learn from its efficacy.
    mangomick
    19th Nov 2014
    1:59pm
    Not really a blog. just plagiarized an article that I though may throw some light on why the ABC is detrimental to a Government that seems hell bent on suppressing information that any democratic society should have a right to know.
    The new terror laws that silence the free press with threats of incarceration are just another rod that freedom of speech and freedom of the press has to bear.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    4:24pm
    I don't know what's Lurking around Me now ?? Since the Natzi Shut Up You Face Party took over ???
    mangomick
    19th Nov 2014
    4:53pm
    Don't know whats lurking around you now? Why that would be some of the other inmates I would reckon..........
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    5:42pm
    I'm sitting in the Liberal Press Room !
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    10:51pm
    E J Hoover Sucked !!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:55am
    Yes mango, I can see some minds on here that have been controlled.
    wally
    21st Nov 2014
    11:10am
    An interesting posting about Mockingbird and the US media. Has the Labor Party, when in government, used the Operation Mockingbird project as a blueprint to use the Government owned, taxpayer funded ABC for a similar purpose in Australia?
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    11:18am
    A Country Practice ?
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:50pm
    Fairly accurate assessment mangomick.
    The media in this country is controlled by big business with the exception of the ABC, SBS and maybe Fairfax. We even have obvious political trolls working little outlets like this one and I have directed readers to a blog where Solomon, who regularly attacked Labor, owned up that he was a card carrying Liberal and that he was paid for his services.
    This government is doing its best to silence any opposition and we all have to remember that if it achieves this then democracy and our way of life changes forever, and we become even more enslaved to the rich. At that time expect to become what this side of politics has been screaming for since the days of John Howard: living slaves like workers in the US.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    9:30am
    mick, - the govt. isn't trying to silence anyone.
    We all enjoy the luxury of freedom of speech.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    12:18pm
    What is most disturbing about cuts to the ABC, is that instead of keeping up with the CPI the cuts represent more than the 5% in real terms. Again, as I have mentioned before, the government is being advised by the IPA (Institute of Public Affairs) whose manifesto recommends the total privatisation of the ABC. This will make the only television network in Australia with no vested interest, but to keep Australians entertained & informed, subject to vested interests like Rupert Murdoch and his ilk who will only pander a point of view that will ensure maximum numbers of bums on seats to attract more advertising money. It will kill informed and balanced journalism as it has in the Murdoch press. The reduction in spending on the ABC is only the thin edge of the wedge and, if the IPA and this government has their way, it's part of a long term plan to starve the ABC of funding until they are forced into privatisation. I'm sure Malcolm Turnbull, as Communications Minister would resist this all the way, but he has been overridden before aka the ETS. I am looking forward to the day he rolls the likes of Abbott and leads the LP.
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    12:37pm
    Of course you would like to see Malcolm Turn bull as leader . So would I but of the Labor party.
    mangomick
    19th Nov 2014
    12:43pm
    I'm with you Paulo. Malcolm Turnbull is head and shoulders above Abbott. One of the really true Liberal thinkers in the LNP at present. Great shame we never saw a Costello/Turnbull leadership team.Ultra conservatives no good for Australia
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    12:50pm
    If by your slogan of Ultra conservatives , which should apply to the far left, you mean those of us who want radical change to smaller govt and more personal responsibility , there are very few and certainly not Tony Abbott ..
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    1:11pm
    Our liberty is eroded when our money is taken as taxes and used on something we could have done for ourselves at lower cost. It is eroded when our taxes are used to pay for things that others will provide, whether on a charitable basis or for profit. That includes TV and radio stations, electricity services, railways, bus services, and of course, schools and hospitals. It is eroded when our money is taken and then returned to us as welfare, with the only real beneficiaries being the public servants who administer its collection and distribution. It is eroded when our money is used on things that are a complete waste like pink batts, unwanted school halls and accommodation subsidies for wealthy foreign students. It is eroded when the money we have earned is taken and given to those of working age who simply choose never to work. Reducing taxes, any kind of taxes, will always have my support. And I will always oppose measures that restrict free markets and hobble entrepreneurship.

    http://australianpolitics.com/2014/07/09/senator-david-leyonhjelm-maiden-speech.html
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:42pm
    You were doing well until you referred to specific instances of wasted money. Let's just say you should do some research before you make blanket statements driven by ideology. Many elderly and infirm lives are going to be saved by pink batts this summer as just one example despite the loss of for lives due to business malpractice. And don't try to pass on the present government's propaganda on that issue, another great waste of money with no outcome other than to make the present government timid about sending Australians to help with the Ebola epidemic.
    mangomick
    19th Nov 2014
    1:51pm
    No Pete I'm referring to Ultra Conservative politicians who try to disguise themselves under the banner of Liberals. That is what Liberals are supposed to be Liberal thinking in their ideas. Abbott doesn't fill that Liberal mould.
    Strange you should quote someone who was elected with less than 10% of the vote.
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    10:26pm
    I have to agree with a few statements on this post. So good to see the trolls not here.
    I share many of your sentiments here Pete. But money does need to be spent on certain areas and I am sure that if you had a bright child and sent him to a public school then you would expect there to be teachers who could teach subject like Physics and 4 unit maths. But some public schools do not have either, nor do they have a hall or many other of the basic needs which private schools have in abundance. And if you rolled up to a public hospital then you would also expect to be properly treated.
    Whilst I agree with much of what you said you have to remember that there are many hard working Australians who are paid precious little with business wanting to slash even that. Welfare is a double edged sword. Both good and bad but we need a balanced society, not just one for the rich where the pour can go lie in a gutter because they are unable to amass money.
    Streuth.....if I were not such a capitalist I might think that I were a socialist.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    8:02am
    Paulodaplodder, you will be less disturbed when you realise that without the carbon tax the CPI has had a significant drop. Yes, that's right the previous government was just kidding us about economic growth. That should make you happy.
    MITZY
    20th Nov 2014
    1:46pm
    Yes, Frank and that means more money in the hands of the polluters and less in the hands of the pensioners next year when they get their "smaller" pension increase calculated on the CPI instead of the current method. I don't see a "significant drop" in my electricity account now we have no carbon tax, my decrease was the very large sum of $3 !!!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    2:41pm
    MITZY, you will not be complaining when wages start to drop, as the labor profligacy begins to bite.
    particolor
    20th Nov 2014
    3:13pm
    Your lucky MITZY ! Mine was Up 20 Bucks ?
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:53pm
    Frank: you must be the epitome of the devil's advocate. Just to remind you IT WAS THE HOWARD GOVERNMENT WHICH TRIED TO IMPLEMENT 'WORK CHOICES' and this government is dying to do the same. Labor does not attack the wages of workers. This vile behaviour only comes from coalition governments
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    9:23am
    Of course Labor does not attack the wages of workers -
    Labor & Unions are one & the same!
    If employers were given a little more control, more people would have work &
    there would be more prosperity.
    particolor
    24th Nov 2014
    9:38am
    Prosperity for All !! Hoist the Jolly Roger !!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    10:24am
    Employers are given some control in the US miss aisle. Until earlier in the year the lowest rate was around $7 an hour with no sick leave, no paid holidays and no loadings of any sort. Workers are on call 24 hours a day.
    And this is what YOU and YOUR PARTY want in Australia. Howard tried it on (Work Choices) and Abbott is trying the back door approach. If he is re-elected he will implement such a policy.
    Your statement miss aisle is the same lie that Australians are repeatedly told about "more work". The reality is that there are only so many jobs to go around and that with this government we have even less as Abbott has seen to it that many industries continue to close down and that many Australians are thrown out of work. Lower wages mean one thing and one thing only: more of the pie to the rich. That is the end game. And you are one of the deceitful bloggers employed to deliver this bad future.
    auriga0
    19th Nov 2014
    12:19pm
    We need the ABC more then any other broadcaster. These cuts are only punitive measures by this Government, as the ABC tells it as it is and is not bias like the private press, so to keep their agenda going cutting the budget is the answer of this Government. I hope the public will wake up and let the Government know to leave our ABC alone. Come election we can vote for the party who is behind Australia and not their own agenda. My Opinion
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    12:38pm
    We need to hear more voices like yours, but we also need to reveal the complete agenda behind these cuts. We need to see who the advisers are and what their real motivation is. There's always a vested interest behind "doing good". For instance, how many know that the Coal Lobbyists are the advisers behind the present Direct Action policy? Once again people, please read the IPA Manifesto. Paste the following into your browser to see what the government wants to happen to the ABC.
    http://ipa.org.au/news/3005/sell-off-the-abc-and-show-the-waygovernments
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    12:39pm
    If so many people consider it our ABC why don't they watch it . It has the lowest number of viewers of all major channels . And about half of Foxtels.
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    12:41pm
    How many channels should the govt own . We have three ABC two SBS plus NTV . Plus we contribute to community TV .
    Rob
    19th Nov 2014
    12:53pm
    That is the issue for me Peter, the ABC will continue to suck up money as long as governments keep funding them without any apparent level of accountability. With the level of viewers that SBS and the ABC attract 3 ABC tv and @ SBS TV channels plus a myriad of radio stations is a considerable overkill.

    I would like to see the ABC and SBS really engage the community in what it expects and is prepared to fund. 90% of my viewing is ABC or SBS but rarely do I stray from the two main channels 21 and 30.

    I agree with Malcolm Turnbull - ABC management isn't really trying if they can't find these savings.
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    1:44pm
    Paulodapotter: According to Malcolm Turnbull on Q&A last Monday, he/Coalition "consulted" the Channel 7 network to help make their current pathetic decision. Now, Channel 7 being such an unbiased observer of the ABC and knowing exactly how the ABC operates(?) or does it really(?) would be feathering it's own nest in their observations, wouldn't it? Channel 7 and its array of current programmes they are advertising for us to watch in the past couple of years, must be in a lot of trouble financially and must have a lot of loss of revenue from advertisers due to the "rubbish" they are promoting. There are a lot of people here (including the ones rubbishing the ABC) probably watching Auntie ABC a lot more than those commercial channels, even Malcolm Turnbull watches that "Piggy" and says its safe, it won't be affected by the "cuts" haha!
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    1:53pm
    Do you measure the worth of the ABC by the numbers of bums on seats, or its value to the community it serves as a whole. If you only consider the financial aspect, then you miss its value in so many other areas, eg, education for our young, a source of entertainment and information to isolated communities and our farmers; a breeding ground for our actors and TV personnel (most our top acting and TV talent cut their teeth with the ABC); the only source of unbiased TV (despite the yobbo's protestations); the list is incredibly long. Funding for the ABC is essential and, until the ABC becomes irrelevant, it must be protected at all costs. Get rid of it or privatise it will be a shot in the foot for us all.
    mangomick
    19th Nov 2014
    2:04pm
    I think Mitzy ......Malcolm Turnbull said they consulted a FORMER head of Channel 7.
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    10:32pm
    Pete: SBS has a very different flavour to the ABC. I have not heard of NTV. In the words of one very famous Australian" "please explain"!
    I think that what would make you happy was advertising on both of the above networks. That way this government could not use funding as an EXCUSE to drive the ABC out of existence. My belief is that this is about getting rid of the last organisation which holds both sides of politics to account. The ABC does.
    If the government wants to save a few bob then have a look at the 58 fighter jets it is buying at $200 million each. Buy one less and the ABC funding cuts are gone.............funny how I hear no response to that one.
    wally
    20th Nov 2014
    10:55am
    I watch more SBS than I do the ABC. And not for the soft core porn, either. No, I do not get distracted and confused by the subtitles, either. I prefer their overseas documentaries to the lefty bleeding heart claptrap that they produce locally. Although I intend to watch First Encounter to see if any of the bigots change their spots. I wonder if they plan a follow up series with the roles reversed? Maybe get some folks from beyond the Black stump and drop them into Toorak, maybe?
    KSS
    21st Nov 2014
    12:39pm
    Mick - NTV is actually NITV = National Indigenous Television and can be found on channel 34 (SBS 4 as was). It primarily broadcasts programs by, with and for the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander population.
    MICK
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:54pm
    KSS: well that's it I guess. Does anybody watch that?
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    12:47pm
    Setting aside for a moment allegations of political bias at the ABC, the real questions should be: "Are we getting value for money?" Is the $1.1 billion dollars being well spent? From what I see it is difficult to see where the money is actually being spent.

    Programs such as Q&A, Lateline, that film review program and the like are relatively cheap to make - single reusable set, salaried hosts, unpaid guests and audiences etc etc. There seems to be less and less investment in Australian content and more emphasis on imported programs - the far cheaper option.

    I accept that producing news bulletins can be expensive. But judging by some of the content they broadcast as news the quality of the output is highly questionable.

    We know from last year when salaries were leaked that ABC staff are on serious money and how upset they got when that come out. Pity they don't have the same sense of outrage when they leak so called newsworthy information that turns out to be fabricated (remember the allegations of abuse supposedly being made by refugee women that turned out to be a pack of lies? No outrage there and no apology either.)

    If the ABC wants to continue to receive taxpayer funding, they need to be answerable to the taxpayer - or their representatives i.e. the Government. They need to account for the costs and justify their spending. If they don't want to do that, then they should resign en-masse and start their own TV/radio stations and compete with the commercial channels.

    No department, quasi department, or other Government funded organisation can quarantined from being accountable, and facing reductions in financial support when the prevailing financial climate dictates.
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    12:53pm
    The nickname for the ABC is All British Content . But the contract with the BBC has ended as BBC feel it will get better value elsewhere . What happens to the already low ratings now.
    Oars
    19th Nov 2014
    1:09pm
    Well said. The ABC reminds me of my old days of Teacherrs college entertainment. We all had to laugh at the "establishment" or we would be shut out of the "golden circle" of friends. Nothing has changed- just those ABC jokes are getting more pasty.
    Sad. Poor ratings indicates no idea of viewers' demands. Why do they care, they all get paid no matter what they put up.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    2:00pm
    Do you measure the worth of the ABC by the numbers of bums on seats, or its value to the community it serves as a whole? If you only consider the financial aspects, then you miss its value in so many other areas, eg, education for our young, a source of entertainment and information to isolated communities and our farmers; a breeding ground for our actors and TV personnel (most our top acting and TV talent cut their teeth with the ABC); the only source of unbiased TV (despite the yobbo's protestations); the list is incredibly long. How does it stack up against the mundane soapies on commercial TV? Commercial TV is aimed at a mental age of thirteen. That's why it's more popular than the ABC whose charter is to provide for all ages. Funding for the ABC is essential and, until the ABC becomes irrelevant, it must be protected at all costs. Get rid of it or privatise it will be a shot in the foot for us all.
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    3:24pm
    Nothing you have said here Paulodapotter answers the question. All the things you mention are also true of the commercial stations (with the exception of your comment on the unbiased nature of the ABC) in terms of value for money. You pick and choose what you watch from all on offer. The difference being the taxpayer directly funds one and not the others. So I ask again where exactly does the ABC spend their funding? If they can justify it and are held accountable for the money then fair enough. If they can't/won't then why should they continue to receive it?

    (most our top acting and TV talent cut their teeth with the ABC). Actually I think you will find a large number were in soaps on channel 7 and 9.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    5:38pm
    And will FROTH at the Mouth if the ABC is Touched !!
    wally
    19th Nov 2014
    10:09pm
    The ABC needs to have some of the "fat" trimmed off because over the years, it has become a bloated sacred cow. Although the cuts over the next five years will amount to over a quarter of a Billon dollars, can anyone tell me what percentage of the ABC budget this amount, (or $50 Million per year), represents as a percentage of the total ABC budget allocation?
    Did any of our respondents get so worked up a couple of years ago when the government cut Defence spending and spending on the Customs service? On what will the money the budget cuts to the ABC be spent? Maybe the money will be spent increasing the rates of pay for our defence personnel. Maybe the chronic disease dental subsidy will be restored? Or will we see more money being spent on middle class welfare to keep the working Yuppie mums happy?
    wally
    20th Nov 2014
    10:59am
    Pete, the ABC might have been All British Content once upon a time, but it seems that "Another Bunch of Communists" would more accurately reflect its orientation today.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:00am
    I think that we all have to realise that the ABC is getting more people watching it as time goes by because the commercial channels are showing repetitive, low life, dumbed down tripe. Just like in the States they want you to subscribe methinks.
    Whilst I have no issue with getting value for money I'd like to think I can get value for money from the operation of government and their self serving public service as well. Having dealt with both on many occasions it is clear that many need to be ed and departments need to be trimmed down to a fraction of their current sizes.
    I disagree with the well worn public service adage: "government may come and governments may go, but the public service just grows and grows". It may be true but it ain't right. So lets tether the ABC to these and then we'll be going somewhere.
    What do I hear from Frank and the other right wing cronies...'not us'? Funny that!
    SGW
    19th Nov 2014
    1:08pm
    What do you expect from right wing troglodytes they don't care about anyone else but themselves and their rich mates, Abbott's nothing more than a dinosaur.
    Oars
    19th Nov 2014
    1:11pm
    So then SGW. Who will you put into power next time around ? Labor has no leader yet and their shadow treasurer has never been able to add up correctly. Bit of a worry mate.
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    1:15pm
    Our liberty is eroded when our money is taken as taxes and used on something we could have done for ourselves at lower cost. It is eroded when our taxes are used to pay for things that others will provide, whether on a charitable basis or for profit. That includes TV and radio stations, electricity services, railways, bus services, and of course, schools and hospitals. It is eroded when our money is taken and then returned to us as welfare, with the only real beneficiaries being the public servants who administer its collection and distribution. It is eroded when our money is used on things that are a complete waste like pink batts, unwanted school halls and accommodation subsidies for wealthy foreign students. It is eroded when the money we have earned is taken and given to those of working age who simply choose never to work. Reducing taxes, any kind of taxes, will always have my support. And I will always oppose measures that restrict free markets and hobble entrepreneurship.

    http://australianpolitics.com/2014/07/09/senator-david-leyonhjelm-maiden-speech.html
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    2:01pm
    Pete: You're repeating yourself! You've already said this rhetoric further up the page. Our taxes are not all wasted. Even those people installing pink bats etc. pay taxes and employ people who pay taxes.

    Today, we hear that thousands of workers in this country are working in jobs many more hours with no remuneration for their efforts. Full-time workers are working more than 6 hours extra and not being paid. Part-time workers are even working more unpaid hours.
    Once again the "employers" have found another way to screw the workers. Of course the employer is robbing the government of those UNPAID HOURS and the taxes they bring! And, of course, the employer is the beneficiary. If the worker complains they end up jobless because there is always another "fool" to take their place.
    The more jobs that are lost the less taxes there are to provide the services we need.
    I'd be a lot happier if we did away with all these free-trade agreements and returned to providing jobs for Aussies and assisting Aussie businesses to produce and manufacture here in Australia. According to statistics the current free-trade agreements that have been operative for five years past, have provided more benefit to the importers of their goods, than we have managed to "export" to them. Whose to say in approximately 4 years time when these current lot of trade agreements come to fruition, the scenario is just a repeat of the same dose of medicine. We are becoming a "dumping ground" for overseas junk.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    2:06pm
    Agree as I do with your comments, SGW, you should support your comments with evidence of which there is plenty of course - like bringing back Knighthoods. Mr Rabbit's Mum and Dad should have been wearing one of those the night he was conceived. But, I guess religion got in the way on that one. Pete has learned how to cut and paste. Good on yer Pete.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    2:23pm
    Talk about REPEAT REPEAT Yourself ?? I think You have PINK BATS with Milk a Sugar for Breakfast ! And Dream about them ALL Night! YAWN !!!! Get to a Psychologist !!..
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    3:10pm
    What are you talking about Particolor. I am a psychologist, but you're right I should forget about pink bats and concentrate on pink elephants instead.
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    3:29pm
    Mitzy, I have been in the workforce for over 45 years. In all that time, in every job I have ever held, in any country I have worked in, I have ALWAYS worked more hours than I was paid for. This is nothing new. Lucky you if you didn't. But please it is not a new way "Once again the "employers" have found another way to screw the workers".

    They have always done it.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    4:06pm
    Paulo .. I wasn't talking about You I was referring to Pete with His never ending Dig about Pink Bloody Bats !! And there is another one on here that has One for a Pillow I'm Sure !!
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    6:14pm
    KSS: My first job was in the Australian Taxation Office for approx. 8 years. That one you had to "bundy on and bundy off". The best thing that happened to me was in those days when you were about to get married they didn't want married women. The ATO did me the biggest favour by not wanting me, however I did have an extremely interesting job in "investigations". Yes, that was "lucky".
    For the rest of my working life (short-cut at 55 to look after a disabled husband) I had about another four jobs for lengthy tenures. My last post was with a small chartered accounting firm, you could say a 9 to 5 job! however I started at 8.30 each day until 7.00 - 7.30 p.m. except on a Friday when I took off on time to head for a nice 1.1/2 hour massage to take the tension from my overworked body (and brain) to be able to enjoy some part of the week-end and be revived for the next week's pressures. I was never paid for all those extra hours either and what I thought at first was a reasonable salary turned out to be not much more than an average salary if one divided that salary by the number of hours worked.
    However, I never ever had a job that I didn't enjoy and that was not full of variety and interest and decent, lovely clientele. In fact some of my employers and their clientele are still in contact with me these days, and I'm now 73.
    Once again KSS you find a line or two to "pick" at from my comments. However, they were general comments and not referring to my own situation, and they were comments regarding "unpaid" hours in today's press reports.
    Oars
    19th Nov 2014
    7:16pm
    Pink batts- bah- it's time for a pink vodka and salute the Kremlin- and down with everybody. I'm out on the town- wheel chair being available. Good night you screen watchers, Sleep well.
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    8:04pm
    Mitzy you must at least acknowledge that people have been working unpaid overtime for decades including it would seem you. I just ask that when criticism is due by all means make it. But to ascribe all ills to the current government is both unjust and belittles the argument.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    8:16pm
    How does the IN Box Magically fill up at 5pm ?? Must have been the Pink Gin put it there ??
    wally
    19th Nov 2014
    10:29pm
    We appear to see, hear and read a lot from the trendoid bleeding hearts who have reluctantly torn themselves away from the fairies at the bottom of their gardens and have spilled their lattees in their rush to save the Sacred Cow from being put on a diet. Is the reason for all this wailing and gnashing of teeth based on a rose tinted view of the ABC of yore? (Is this related to a rose tinted view of the Old ALP when it was Chifley's worker's party before it fell under the control the trendy academics that wanted to play social engineers and turn Australia into a socialist playground?) Did our trendy bleeding hearts squeal their dissent at the budget cuts to Australia's customs service and Defence?
    Oh, let me guess. We are all going to be told that the ABC budget cuts are going to wind up in the bank accounts of Gina Reinhart, Rupert Murdock and other rich "Capitalist Pigs" that keep Australians employed and disgust the self righteous lefties that want to drag them all down and punish them for daring to have business acumen and success.
    wally
    19th Nov 2014
    10:29pm
    We appear to see, hear and read a lot from the trendoid bleeding hearts who have reluctantly torn themselves away from the fairies at the bottom of their gardens and have spilled their lattees in their rush to save the Sacred Cow from being put on a diet. Is the reason for all this wailing and gnashing of teeth based on a rose tinted view of the ABC of yore? (Is this related to a rose tinted view of the Old ALP when it was Chifley's worker's party before it fell under the control the trendy academics that wanted to play social engineers and turn Australia into a socialist playground?) Did our trendy bleeding hearts squeal their dissent at the budget cuts to Australia's customs service and Defence?
    Oh, let me guess. We are all going to be told that the ABC budget cuts are going to wind up in the bank accounts of Gina Reinhart, Rupert Murdock and other rich "Capitalist Pigs" that keep Australians employed and disgust the self righteous lefties that want to drag them all down and punish them for daring to have business acumen and success.
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    10:37pm
    Come on wally. I am sure you understand that this is not really about money. it is about eliminating the last bastion of dissent and not having to account. The Abbott government was elected by an American. We all know that and the ABC is just a nuisance to be shut up.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    8:07am
    SGW, hope you continue to pay your union fees during your retirement.
    wally
    20th Nov 2014
    10:46am
    Hi mick. If what you say about Rupert participating as a voter in the last election as a US citizen is true, what do you think your mate Solomon would be able to do?
    If the cuts were not about money, why were allocations to Defence and Customs made? Was it the intention of the Labor government that made these cuts diminish Australia's security? Or do you think that the Australian taxpayer needs to support more lefty fat cats in ABC by adding to the amount of dead wood that is already there.
    Like a fish, the ABC has been going rotten from the head down and it is really beginning to stink!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:08am
    I believe I was making the point that the media should be fairly and honestly 'reporting' the news, not twisting and editing it so that it becomes unfactual.
    Solomon is not may mate. I abhor deceitful liars and con men. What Solomon was doing on this site was changing views. Not by debating issues but by continually making references to Labor and Unions. Frank is into the same sort of stuff and that is why he is clearly a plant to con readers.
    You claim that the ABC is "rotten" and maybe there are some fat cats in the organisation. I agree with you that these useless types should go but I do not agree with replacing them with government stoolies to overseer the organisation. And whilst we are at it how about we apply the same amount of scrutiny to the government and its own public service. You want to save some real money? This is where its at!
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    9:15am
    ABC needs an overhaul - too much taxpayers' money for just over 11% of our
    population. And the really big one - cut out the biased comments!
    particolor
    24th Nov 2014
    9:34am
    260,000 People can go to bed Early !! By Order !!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    10:18am
    Keep repeating your rubbish miss aisle.
    We need to not elect this government again. That is the problem, not the ABC.
    wally
    24th Nov 2014
    12:09pm
    mick, your 1208 comment above about how the Libs should not replace key ABC fat cats and staffers with people in accord with their political persuasion is interesting. Your comments appear to ignore the fact that the ALP has planted their own stooges sympathizers and sycophants in positions of responsibility in the ABC since the Hawke-Keating years.
    These underhanded efforts have been borne out in the consistent anti Liberal barrages from the ABC since Howard won the Prime Ministership in 1996. And we are all supposed to look the other way and pretend that all is hunky dory in the ABC. It's about time the ABC went to the cleaners.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    2:53pm
    And I suppose you also back selling the ABC to the commercial networks so that it becomes the next right wing propaganda stations?
    By all means put the cleaners through it...but not for the clear intention of removing real political comment. This is the end game wally.
    bebby
    19th Nov 2014
    1:33pm
    Oh dear Brissiegirl, I am wondering if you are Andrew Bolt in disguise
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    2:07pm
    Ha! Ha! I love that one.
    dougie
    19th Nov 2014
    2:47pm
    Paulodapotter,

    Are you the one who works for the Guardian ? I like your humour and if you are employed by the Guardian, you are too smart to stay there. Only the Guardian and the ABC employ outdated hacks.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    3:15pm
    Thanks Dougie, but there's something wrong with you if you like my humour. And you are right. I'm an outdated hack like the rest of the old buggers on this blog. Yeh, I used to work for the ABC, but they sacked me for being too enthusiastic.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    3:47pm
    Enthusiasm can cause New Ideas ! And we cant have that. I will miss My nightly repeat of Spicks and Specks ?? On the already Slashed to Rims Budget !!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    8:10am
    I watched The Bolt Report last weekend. He was wondering why Scott wouldn't go on the Bolt Report. Anyone know?
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:10am
    bebby: you have to wonder how many of these folk are the real McCoy and how many are the same folk recycled with different names. Some of the comments speak for themselves.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    9:09am
    mick - it's simply people in the communities expressiving their views.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    10:17am
    I can handle people expressing a view. Whilst I may not agree I "defend to the death your right to express it". But what is happening is that people like yourself are not "people in the community". You are paid for trotting out anti Labor tripe so that your boss gains in the polls. Not working on this site my dear.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    4:49pm
    mick, - you honestly cannot handle people expressing a view, & as for
    "defend to the death your right to express it" -
    Now come on, mick ?
    Adrianus
    24th Nov 2014
    6:33pm
    mick you don't have much to say other than political tripe. Mick, I have been nice to you in the past because of sympathy for your forced retirement due to emotional stress . I know you had a horrid time when your new neighbours moved in and began throwing wild raunchy parties throughout the night until the wee hours. I understand this has taken its toll on you and forced you into early retirement. However, it is no excuse for your continued attacks and false accusations about me being paid by a political party.
    MICK
    26th Nov 2014
    9:25am
    Funny Frank. Good try but as usual you are trying to change the subject.
    Both you and miss aisle are clearly blogging as paid employees of this most dishonest of all governments.
    Have a view by all means, but do not read off a script meant to deceive and mislead. That is your job and that is what you are both doing here. No 'opinion'. Just blatant and dishonest grooming of readers. You have no soul...just like the current government.
    Adrianus
    26th Nov 2014
    9:50am
    mick, you are confusing me with someone else? I would not accept cash for comment from the Labor party.
    wheels
    19th Nov 2014
    2:06pm
    As a prior member of the Public service I was aware of mssive infiltration of Labour/lefties.
    I suspect, when you look at some of the articles they have ran......that this is the same.
    I would disband it entirely especially considering the massive amount they soak up.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    2:10pm
    What happened? They sack you? I didn't think it was possible. What's happened to the Public Service. They only employ you if you vote left handed? Got some stats on that one?
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    10:40pm
    Sounds a bit like the right trying to blame the left as we are seeing with this government.
    I agree with putting the cleaners through the public service. Long overdue. But not because it is a leftist organisation but because it is a joke which uses taxpayer money like confetti and for no good purpose in many cases. Lets start with the Heads of Department who earn around $800 000 pa. Oh no....you can't cut jobs in government circles can you.....
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    11:28pm
    I love that Misused word.. Earn...Earn means to Labour Laboriously for a Goal and Reward !! Not Shove Yer Boots up on a Desk and Smoke a Cigar in Air Conditioned Comfort ??
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    8:15am
    rusty1 there are 1.9m public servants in OZ, that means about 1 public servant for every 10 of us.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    10:14am
    Sack 80% Frank...starting with you.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    2:11pm
    It has come to My Attention that there is Mountains of Money Available for Pollies PAYS,PENSIONS and PERKS !!..Yet the Cupboard is BARE when it comes to THE PEOPLES RADIO AND TELIVISION ?? Cuts to 7.30 Report and Lateline are in order though as they might say something NASTY about us !!.. And we cant have that can we ? for this Hush Hush Government in the land of Shut Up,Sell It and Come On In !! !!
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    2:50pm
    Well if they sell the ABC there's $1.5 billion saved for pensioners!
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    2:53pm
    You'll get Nothing ! As promised ! He only said there will be NO CUTS !! As He sharpened the Scissors !!
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    2:55pm
    Nice one, Particolor! Just remember though, you're not allowed into this country if you are too poor to come by plane on a visa and too desperate because your country has been in a civil war, invaded by us, or bombed to bits by suicide bombers because you picked the wrong side. However, if you have a fist full of dollars to invest, come on in and buy yourself as much of our properties and businesses as you like so we can send our profits to shareholders and governments in China, US, UK, Saudi Arabia, et al not to mention tax havens in Vanuatu, etc.

    But we must not talk about that on the ABC or else we'll be accused of being biased. Better to get rid of that nasty, informative, socialist, blah, blah, blah, ...
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    3:04pm
    KSS my ar.., if you're on a pension (nasty socialistic concept by your standards), you won't get any joy from this government, unless they see they'll have their ar..s kicked at the next election and then the pensioner bribes will come out like pimples on Kevin Andrew's posterior.
    KSS
    19th Nov 2014
    3:35pm
    What the...? Paulodapotter! "KSS my ar.., if you're on a pension (nasty socialistic concept by your standards)"????

    Uncalled for, unsubstantiated, unacceptable!!
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    3:39pm
    They are working on the Speeches already !! The Golden Syrup just went in with the Honey and Treacle ! now let it Ferment for 2 Years and WALAH !! Well have them Again !!
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    3:43pm
    Sorry KSS. I thought it would make you laugh. My humour does not appeal to everyone including myself. Please accept my apologies.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    3:50pm
    I love the imagery, Particolor! Except for the election when Howard was dumped, I have never been able to predict which party would get in. However, I have predicted that the independent and small party vote would continue to rise since that time and so far I have been right. With a little luck, the tainted mead being produced at the moment will be tempered with enough water from independent sources to reduce the political toxicity.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    4:32pm
    I think by then they will be so Drunk with Power They will even believe themselves ??
    Country Sold ! Coal and Gas gone ! Serfs Whinging as Usual ! Crap in the Papers !..
    What can we tell the Gulabillys this time ??
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    6:24pm
    I doubt this pensioner-hating government would ever consider using the $1.5 billion savings from the ABC on pensioners, it would more than likely go to the PPL scheme to produce more silver-spooned youngsters!
    Anonymous
    19th Nov 2014
    7:59pm
    Mitzy your comments about pensioners or the PPL make no sense ...
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    10:42pm
    KSS: if they sell the ABC then lets not have elections any more because the coalition can never lose. But then that is what this government wants. But the public does not.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    11:34pm
    Lets not have elections any more anyhow !! Who wants to listen to 8 weeks or more of Lies and Crap every few Years ??
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    11:38pm
    Besides it interferes with My enjoyable ABC Viewing !!
    MITZY
    20th Nov 2014
    1:59pm
    Pete: This commentary started with particolor, followed by a comment from KSS to which I was referring. For once, I forgot to actually put the person's name at the beginning of the comment I made, which is unusual for me.
    Read the commentary again and you will see my response does make sense.
    Seagull
    19th Nov 2014
    3:48pm
    The ABC Is fat ,bloated organisation that is out of control.The ABC is the arm of the labor party. The best solution would be to sell the ABC ,the money received could be diverted to the pensioners.Lets face it the ABC is run by the goat cheese eating circle, think related to the basket weavers of balmain and the inner city circle dwellers. Hoo roo
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    3:52pm
    I'd love to believe you, Seagull, but you state this stuff without any evidential support. I do like your attempt at imagery though.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    3:53pm
    You're not from the IPA, are you?
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    3:57pm
    Once the money is diverted to pensions, then pensioners who make up the bulk of people who watch the ABC can sit back and gaze at their navels, much like you are at the moment.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    4:38pm
    The Fluff in there is always Blue ?? Have a look Naval gazers !..
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    4:42pm
    You forgot to tell us what the Inner City Circle Dwellers eat ?..
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    10:45pm
    Seagull: your post is that of a bird brain. What planet do you come from and where do you get such tripe from? The Liberal Party handbook?
    We both know why the government wants the ABC gone: NO ACCOUNTABILITY and guaranteed re-election. This is not in anybody's interests!
    wally
    20th Nov 2014
    11:03am
    Hear, Hear, Seagull. The ABC is like a bloated dead fish. It has gone rotten from the head down and it is really beginning to stink!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:11am
    You are beginning to sound like KSS wally. Your twin?
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    4:49pm
    What an amazing synopsis written by our young editor who asks the question, who are these draconian budgetary measures going to benefit? It sort of reminds me of the religious hope peddled by our religious institutions. I know life is hard now, but you will be rewarded in heaven if you just sign up and bear it. All this cutting and removal of services is supposed to mean we will be safe, secure and rich in the future. Yet, please show me in any place in history where this has ever come to pass? I see the fat cats getting fatter (literally) and the paupers get poorer. I've also seen conservative governments get into power on the 'surplus' promise and non-conservative governments get in on the 'spend' promise. My question is, "When will we stop this silly to-ing and fro-ing and get on with making this country a more compassionate and enjoyable place to live in? At the moment, all I see is my government doing unspeakable things to others that make me ashamed to call myself Australian.
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    5:06pm
    You'll be OK Paulo When You get to Paradise !!...
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    6:38pm
    Thanks mate, I thought I was already there having a crack at the likes of Heemskerk99 who hasn't got anything worth saying - can't tell irony from metaphor. Actually, I doubt it knows what either of those terms mean. Probably decent enough once you got to know it. It's - "too dumb to comprehend", Heemskerk. Two "o's " for "too dumb". Now you sit down where I put you in the front of the classroom where I can keep an eye on you.
    wally
    21st Nov 2014
    11:15am
    When we get to Paradise, we might find it full of Muslims and their virgins. I also wonder if they drill holes in your shoulder blades and head there to install wings and haloes.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:13am
    Get to paradise? Some of these bloggers are heading the other way wally. They won't be passing Go but probably will be collecting $200 .... although maybe this should read $20 000 inflation adjusted.

    19th Nov 2014
    5:40pm
    reading paulodapotter's comments, I have said this before, his first comments were dumb, his next comments even dumber and his last comment is the dumbest ever spoken and please don't call him a drongo, he is to dumb to comprehend
    MITZY
    19th Nov 2014
    6:25pm
    I guess it takes one "heemskerk99 dumber, to recognise another?
    Paulodapotter
    19th Nov 2014
    6:40pm
    Please don't Mitzy, you'll make him sound intelligent! :)
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    12:15pm
    heemskerk99 - He sure has a wacky way of looking at the world.....
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:14am
    Like minded players sounding off each other?

    19th Nov 2014
    7:42pm
    mitzy, was my dog's name, however he had more clueys than the comments given by this person. As for paulodapotter, read his comments in other discussions, always the same, show me, show me, can't see the light because he has a mask on, stil thinks he is sunbaking, fried his brains.
    MITZY
    20th Nov 2014
    2:07pm
    heemskerk99: A "he" dog called Mitzy? Was "he" gay?
    Quite frankly heemskerk99 you couldn't call what you have written about Paulodapotter too intelligent and apparently you haven't read too many of my comments so far.
    Mar
    19th Nov 2014
    7:52pm
    Yes, I will be more then disappointed if they axe 7.30 , Lateline, Q&A , and I watch ABC news. The other channels are mostly rubbish. I watched Q&A Monday night and could not believe how dormant Malcolm Turnbull has become. He is now only a mouth piece for Tony Abbott. These latest cuts are just more of the same. The agony of this government continues. How many more "sleeps" before we get rid of them?
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    8:00pm
    If We suffer any more cuts we will have to go to the Doctor !!.
    Another 7 Bucks for them !!
    Adrianus
    19th Nov 2014
    8:08pm
    I watched the last episode of Lateline last night. Just old stories, you could record it and watch it every week!
    Paulodapotter
    20th Nov 2014
    12:48am
    Thank you ABC for programs such as last Monday's Q & A. It's good to see its critics tuning in on a regular basis. The ABC must be doing something right if 87% of Australian viewers believe it must be kept strong and the other 13% unable to resist tuning in to find fault.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:18am
    Well said. The ABC may be on the endangered list with the government stoolies but the public realises its worth. The GetUp team is also involved and many Australians are on board. I'd like to see mein Furhrer try to sell it. He'll be gone faster than a snag at a BBQ.
    Adrianus
    19th Nov 2014
    8:13pm
    I know Malcolm Turnbull had a tough job to deliver the news about the budget cuts, but it had to be done. As he said the ABC does not exist for the benefit of it's employees.
    wally
    19th Nov 2014
    10:39pm
    "Evil" Abbott probably made him do it because Rupert told him to! After all, Malcolm appears to be the only Liberal politician that does not get short shrift from Tony Jones and the Peanut Gallery of lefty malcontents that make up the audience on ABC's Q and A. Fancy telling the Sacred Cow it has to go on a diet!
    The big question is how the ABC management deals with the impending shortfall of funds and where they will make the changes and cuts.
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    10:49pm
    And here is political troll Frank at it again. Working hard for the government.
    How about getting 57 instead of 58 fighter jets Frank? Saving: $200 000. That way the ABC can be left alone. Oh that's right.........Tony wants it gone so that he does not have to answer the hard questions from reporters who know do not read the Murdoch publications and understand what the facts are and what the truth is. But we wouldn't want to have that would we Frank?
    MICK
    19th Nov 2014
    10:54pm
    wally: my perception is that ALL of the panel gets to have a say. I have noticed though that Tony Jones cuts off responses when they become long drawn out propaganda election type speeches (from both sides of politics) or go off the question...which some government ministers like Greg Hunt do because they refues to answer a very clear and direct question. So what is it that you expect? Maybe you would be happier if they gagged all Labor panel members or asked them to use sign language responses.
    So did you not notice that Tanya Plibersek said very little the other night and that Turnbull and the Telegraph reporter had most of the air time?
    particolor
    19th Nov 2014
    11:40pm
    As You do when You are Telecommunications Minister !!
    Paulodapotter
    20th Nov 2014
    1:02am
    Thanks Mick for a balanced response. I think you meant saving $200 million by buying one less outclassed and inappropriate Hornet. By the way, Frank can't read real good. Anything in red is invisible.

    Anyone with any knowledge of the media can see that Q&A almost bends over backward trying to accommodate the right wing panellists to the point I get frustrated that they constantly let them off the hook for the sake of presenting a balanced outcome. If the conservative panellists look like dills, they only have themselves to blame. I've seen plenty of non-conservative panellists look like dills too.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:13am
    Why should we exclude the ABC in trimming the waste?
    What makes them so special? Why should Scott be paid $800,000 a year?
    Nobody knows what the guy looks like and he controls the biggest media empire in Australia! He's a recluse with too much power. You can clearly see the power he has when you read comments from the likes of mick and paulodaplodder. This is not healthy for a democratic nation.
    bob menzies
    20th Nov 2014
    8:14am
    I think Turnbull called it a workers collective. If the ABC doesn't know where to cut I'll give them some ideas - get rid of Insiders (Bolt report is 100 times better) Q&A, Media Watch, 7:30 Report and perhaps Lateline - save Peppa Pig!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    8:24am
    bob, I think this may be the only time Scott has had to do any work?
    particolor
    20th Nov 2014
    8:27am
    Peppa Pig would be nice with Apple Sauce !
    miss aisle
    20th Nov 2014
    9:22am
    It all boils down to accountablity. If a lot of the public are angry with the amount of bias shown on their programs, something has to be done.
    There's too big an outcry for Scott to be innocent of the varying amount of bias
    against the right.
    Apart from the dramatic lean to the left, the programs shown are definitely not worth that massive amount.
    Taxpayers are paying thousands of $ for a single program!
    Definitely time to take the top knobs to account.
    miss aisle
    20th Nov 2014
    9:29am
    mick, It's not so much that Tanya said very little, but, Just on this occasion,
    Tony stopped her from interrupting others!
    I wonder why?
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    9:48am
    miss aisle, the SBS budget is also being cut moderately. In total, taxpayers will handover $6.8b to the ABC and SBS over the next 5 years. People are beginning to ask 'Where's the value?' Could the money be put to better use?
    wally
    20th Nov 2014
    11:18am
    mick, All of the members of the guest panel on Q and A get to have their say as you rightly point out. BUT ( and you knew that was coming, didn't you?) as on Animal Farm, where some animals are more equal than others, so too do some of the panellists on Q and A get more say than others. Then on Q and A there appears to be an over abundance of lefties in the studio audience, judging by the tone of the questions (or should that be Dorothy Dixers) asked by that audience. As well as the responses from audience to the replies the panellists make, reflect a similar lefty leaning. Maybe bias, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder, but I see more of one and less of the other on Q and A.
    MITZY
    20th Nov 2014
    2:29pm
    Bob Menzies: I guess it really does depend on your point of view, doesn't it?
    However, the Bolt Report 99% of the time gives the thumbs up to everything Coalition. If Bolt happens to agree with something other than the conservative viewpoint, he does so with his hands firmly tied behind his back. So often he has Michael Costa the former NSW Labor Treasurer participating in commentary and he seems to have forgotten which party he once belonged to. The commentary from the person(s) not in the studio are Coalation-biased every week. At least there is a more balanced panel of contributers on Q&a as well as a more evenly balanced audience. With Bolt, he is his own captive audience.
    bob menzies
    20th Nov 2014
    2:52pm
    Mitzy - I note your comments and appreciate your view - the one point I disagree with is your last point - Q&A is totally left wing biased - more often than not there are 4 left wingers to one conservative and last week one might say 4 left wingers and in Tunbull a labor right winger. Check out catalyst sometime - they keep a check on the number of times Tony Jones interrupts his panel - its about 80% to the conservative. Remember the other mob are SCUM (socialists, communists, unionists, Marxists) - and do not represent mainstream Australia - since Federation in 1901 the conservatives have governed 7 in every 10 years - god bless Australia for that
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    9:33am
    Yes Wally, On Q & A - my heart goes out to the lonely "rose" between all the thorns.
    A real challenge (handled with dignity) -
    Some of the "thorns" interrupt constantly, trying to upset the "rose's" train of thought.
    And what does the so-called host do? grin..... ugh!
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    9:54am
    :-)
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:21am
    miss aisle: more trolling. Most people are NOT unhappy with the ABC. This is reserved for the government, its paid stoolies and those who are weal minded and actually believe the lies they are fed by people like you.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    9:02am
    Most people ARE unhappy about a taxpayers' funded ABC of over $1billion per year !
    If it's paid for by taxpayers, they naturally want value for money -
    and it's definitely not providing that.
    Between the excessive amount of biased comments, plus not enough good
    programs, -
    it needs a complete overhaul, if it wants to survive.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    10:13am
    And most people are even unhappier about the huge amount of public money which politicians give themselves, their large public service which act as their propaganda tool and the lies which continue to come thick and fast from this government.
    The ABC is only biased in the eyes of those who have leanings toward this government because this government expects no opposition from the media and cannot handle it when this happens. The ultimate game plane is to sell off the ABC to a player like Murdoch...who would turn it into another propaganda machine to trot out much of the dishonest tripe you and others like you peddle on this website.
    The only thing that needs a complete overhaul is the political process with the total banning of ANY funding from vested interests. And yes that includes the union movement as well as the coal industry, the big banks and all of the groups who pay for the election of their representatives (the Liberal Party candidates) and then hold the hand out for payback after the election.
    Sound fair?
    wally
    24th Nov 2014
    10:17am
    If Obama is so worried about the Great Barrier Reef, why didn't he go up and see it before it disappears, rots away or gets gobbled up by the crown of thorns starfish or something else that is awful? I guess he did not, as he has a big enough mess to clean up in America where he has failed accomplish anything except make speeches and try to tell the rest of the world what to do since he moved into the White House in 2009. I remember he promised to move the Taliban prisoners out of the Guantamino prison before he was elected, and they are still there, six years later. Barack has not been "Action Man", more like "Inaction Man".
    So instead of meddling in Australia's affairs, he should mind his own business and look after Aamerica.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    2:55pm
    Yeah wally. And the same applies to Rupert Murdoch who thinks that he owns Australian politics...when he is an American.
    Kato
    20th Nov 2014
    12:59am
    Righties to the left of me' Lefties to the right of me Here I am stuck in the middle with? I think I'll go watch a movie A who done it. Thus movie sucks ni one got past there ABC.
    Paulodapotter
    20th Nov 2014
    1:04am
    What?
    Kato
    20th Nov 2014
    1:03am
    After having read the Script it seems you All failed your ABC. Shame Shame.
    Paulodapotter
    20th Nov 2014
    1:05am
    Thus movie sucks ni one got past there ABC. Please explain.
    Kato
    20th Nov 2014
    1:05am
    Shame
    Paulodapotter
    20th Nov 2014
    1:07am
    R U speaking Kiwi?
    "Thus movie sucks ni one got past there ABC"
    Kato
    20th Nov 2014
    1:19am
    No just my attempt trying to lighten things up.. What are you doing up at thus ungodly hour
    particolor
    20th Nov 2014
    8:32am
    Fush and Chups anyone ??
    particolor
    20th Nov 2014
    8:34am
    Yes Please Ill have sexpence worth !
    unicorn
    20th Nov 2014
    7:13am
    Personally I think that some cuts are needed why should bloke be able to take something like 6 weeks of work to have an unnecessary operation done at a huge cost then take his son away on a holiday just because he realised it is time for them to do it ? And yet another one a regular once a weeker who is always saying gosh it must be ages since we have been to such and such about time we arranged that trip ( about a couple of thousand Kms ) and naturally the boss can pay for it - left unsaid. Both are ABC presenters on works about 5 hours per week the other 4 days per week. Yet both seem to have oodles of money to send as they please.
    particolor
    20th Nov 2014
    8:24am
    Ask them if they'll send You some !
    I just read about Righties Lefties and Phantom of the ABC Opera ? What next ?
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    8:26am
    unicorn, empire building and feathering their nest.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    8:56am
    Why would you have an unnecessary operation in the first place? Only at the ABC!!
    Paulodapotter
    20th Nov 2014
    9:33am
    Believe you me, the wages of an ABC employee is much less than their commercial counterparts. When I worked for them, presenters, producers and crew would constantly talk about their hopes of getting a job on 'Money Mountain', a euphemism for Mt Coot-tha. Many got there eventually too. Believe me, ABC wages suck. I was a producer/director and I got much better pay as a teacher and they're hardly on top of the money tree.

    Don't believe their wise cracks on TV, folks. Remember, it's all entertainment.
    Abby
    21st Nov 2014
    8:51am
    The commercial counterparts do not get the Super benefits that ABC staff get.
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    8:54am
    If the wisecracks are all entertainment, why is it that they're always at the
    expense of the right?
    If I was working at the ABC now, I'd be trying very hard to provide more productivity into the working hours, & feel grateful for being able to work there.
    The wages "suck" do they? How do they rate with the dole?
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    9:25am
    No Thanks !!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:24am
    miss aisle: defender of the government. So transparent really. It is a fact of life that bullies never like to be bullied themselves and cry victimisation when it happens.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    8:55am
    Talking about yourself again, mick!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    10:07am
    I take exception to your dishonest posts and trolling. If it sounds like bullying then its not.
    When you start to have an honest discussion I will back off. But of course being one of the love children of this government means that you are a clone of it. Honesty is not a word that you and the other trolls understand.
    bob menzies
    20th Nov 2014
    8:08am
    The cuts to the ABC are a good start - but not enough - it is a bloated, left wing biased organisation - since we are in debt I'd close it down and pay back debt or allocate the money to health and education or finding ways to reduce youth unemployment.
    I'm a conservative and not happy with government performance on economic front BUT it could be worse if we reverted to Rudd/Gillard/Rudd incompetence
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    8:35am
    bob, that would put 4,500 people out of work with no job prospects. Have you considered the impact on their families distant relatives and friends? What about the 40 ABC employees 'working' in secret overseas locations? Will they remain on the payroll until retirement?
    Paulodapotter
    20th Nov 2014
    9:39am
    Stop it Bob! My sides are aching from laughing. Despite all the evidence to the contrary ....... I've never had so much since I shot my dog.

    OMG Frank! Secret overseas locations? They're not working for Scott Morrison, you know. A lot of these 'lazy' journalists put their lives on the line to get you information.
    bob menzies
    20th Nov 2014
    2:59pm
    Paulodapotter - I really hope I made you laugh whether for the right reasons or not - if everyone of us could make someone else laugh we might have less tension in the world. Having said that - I do wonder whether the ABC has had its day - I think I'm right Greece closed its ABC down due to economic issues. I am not sure how many people are employed at ABC but I recall there was doom and gloom in 2007 when Mitsubishi closed down with the loss of 3200 odd workers - however evidence showed all but 17 were employed agsain within 18 months
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    9:01am
    bob - I hope there will be ongoing cuts in the future -
    wish somehow, they could start trimming the fat from the top.
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    9:23am
    Have You noticed if You take the bottom item first the whole stack collapses ??
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    2:57pm
    And I'd like to see "trimming" begin with this government whose budget would be many multiples of the ABC and which has no intention of cutting its own HUGE waste.
    Paying the trolls who post for them on this site alone would be costing tens of thousands of dollars every year.
    dougie
    20th Nov 2014
    8:32am
    There is a difference between a cut and a slice. This is just a thin slice!
    particolor
    20th Nov 2014
    8:40am
    Poor Peppa Pig is being Butchered here ?
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    9:00am
    It has been agreed that Peppa Pig will stay to add balance. So worry not parti. Peppa will not be sliced, diced and iced.
    Paulodapotter
    20th Nov 2014
    9:54am
    Thin edge of the wedge, more like, Dougie. Just last night on Lateline, a bloke from the IPA let it be known they want to see the ABC gone and they're the LNP advisory think tank. Poor old Malcolm who looked absolutely worn out and lost on the last Q&A is fighting a losing battle to stop the rot in his own party. If you and Frank get what you want, you'll regret it for the rest of what's left of your lives. I have nothing against conservatism, it's a useful tool, but if it runs riot as it is at the moment, democracy in this country is gone. Conservative governments have no problem with disposing of their opposition at all costs. If you don't believe me, then ask the Iraqi's and the most vulnerable people in the world, asylum seekers. Howard's government was all too willing to push the 'children overboard' lie and the Weapons of Mass Destruction line when they knew the evidence was very thin on the ground. They couldn't wait to join the COWs to create a turd for the yobbo flies to gather around. The 'born to rule' syndrome is alive and well in this country.
    wally
    20th Nov 2014
    11:24am
    Are youse confusing Peppa Pig with a sacred cow?
    unicorn
    20th Nov 2014
    10:30am
    Frank as far as te unnecessary operation is concerned it was a choice thing as far as I, as a pensioner understand, I mean I just would have to put up with it I couldn't afford to have it done, pity about the pain. If in fact he had any. As for their rate of pay I certainly would not object bit then I wouldn't object to a teacher's wages & conditions either.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    12:10pm
    unicorn, Public Servants are treated very well.
    Paulodapotter
    20th Nov 2014
    1:34pm
    Always sounds like a breeze until you experience it. I've been a jackaroo, a handyman, a filmmaker, a ditch digger, a tiler, chippy, a teacher (all three levels), you name it. The most demanding job I had was teaching at a secondary school level. Public servants have one of the highest alcohol consumption of any one group and it's self medication not indolence as the cause. I bet neither of you would last a week at Centrelink. You know what I'm talking about because both of you have used their services and are well aware of the hopeless cases they have to deal with on a daily basis. Why don't you stop knocking everything and put forward some positive suggestions or are you going to continue the Abbott negative line and simply knock everything down instead of building something worthwhile for the future? Knock! Knock! Knock!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    2:38pm
    Paulodaplodder, I can only speak for myself. I too have had many jobs, possibly close to 260 give or take a couple. Including those you have mentioned except Teaching and filmmaking, although I have appeared in a film. I started my first job at 10. It was 6 days per week commission only, so from an early age I learned to rely on my own resources. The hours suited me as well, I could work before and after school. I have never received anything from Centerlink, not so much as a dollar. If you think PS are not treated well then you would have no objection if the rest of Australia's workforce receive the same benefits?

    Have you seen a more positive PM than Abbott? He and his team are kicking some goals and achieving what Labor said could not be done. What's negative about that Paulodaplodder?
    particolor
    20th Nov 2014
    5:31pm
    There's a Difference between Kicking a Goal and getting your Bum kicked !! ..Anyone can do a Deal with all the Good Points going the other way ??
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    7:04pm
    Yes you are right parti. Labor penned one FTA in their 6 years. It was with Chile whose exports to Australia are more than twice what Australia exports to Chile!
    particolor
    20th Nov 2014
    7:10pm
    See what I mean ? How many Chilli's do we want ?? Before we Catch FN Fire ??
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    9:17am
    I agree Frank, at the moment Tony Abbott & his team are positively glowing!
    With quiet confidence & optimism, & with team effort,
    they've achieved great things -
    within our boundaries & world wide.
    Would have taken blood, sweat & tears.
    When it comes to a political party,
    forget charisma & over-confidence/over-indulgence
    - instead, using expertise & basic common sense!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:30am
    You are full of your own BS miss aisle. Do you think that readers cannot see through it?
    The only thing glowing about this government is its leader who keeps making headlines for all the wrong reasons. I thought it interesting that Barack Obama had to give Abbott and his cronies a serve the other day for being happy to let the Great Barrier Reef die. This would have to be the greatest act of vandalism that this nation has ever seen and your man Tony is at the helm.
    Keep you stage door Johnny gup to yourself and stick to the facts. I mean we wouldn't want to confuse you with Julie Bishop would we.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    8:53am
    Barack Obama could have shown a little more respect towards the host, & the main reasons for holding the G20.
    He was out of line - probably trying to get his mind off his growing unpopularity
    at home.
    Some even wonder if he truly believes the words in his speech -
    Anyway, it created the needed diversion for him!
    Adrianus
    24th Nov 2014
    9:14am
    A couple of years ago Obama opened the gates for a flood of southern 'refugees.' When he returned home no time was wasted to get them eligible to vote. Labor tried the same tactic here but they could only manage 200,000 new voters and a suspicious 21 voters living in the same PO box at Auburn.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    10:05am
    "respect"??? I think that Obama has shown Tony Abbott the utmost of respect despite Abbott embarrassing the nation over and over again. The fact that Obama made such a statement is due to this government being a coal funded vandal on the international stage.
    So your response is to again sow the seeds of doubt miss aisle. You are predictable but nobody is buying.
    Frank: you posts continue to defy logic of any sort. So who would believe a word of the tripe you serve up. All I can say is that this government must be getting quite desperate to roll out people like you on public websites.
    taylah
    20th Nov 2014
    2:28pm
    funny how the likes of Tony Jones on nearly 1/2 a million a year salary is not on the chopping block, What does he do to receive more than say a prime minister of the President of the US gets paid. No they will only cut country TV because thats where they think all Liberal voters live.
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    2:50pm
    taylah, thanks for raising that point. I will keep an eye out for that.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:34am
    And heads of (government) departments $800 000. FYI the president gets more than Tony Jones.
    If you really feel disempowered then have a look at what American footballers earn (Peyton Manning gets $95 million for 5 years for throwing a ball around), Gail Kelly (Westpac CEO) got $13 million for last year, etc.
    If you criticise anything to do with Labor then expect to get a tick from Frank.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    9:36am
    mick, if Labor did do something good -
    a few of us Liberal supporters would certainly say so -
    But, mick, we're still waiting .........................
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    10:01am
    Thanks for the laugh miss aisle. If Labor did not implement the big social reforms they would never happen: superannuation, fair pay and conditions, sick leave and paid holidays, the NBN, universal health care, controls on carbon....oh I forgot, you killed that one.
    Your statement is more of the same dishonest discourse. All that your side of politics ever does is to try and buy voted (Parental Leave Scheme) and take money from average Australians and the poor and give it to the richest amongst us who have no need of it. Sickening. So this is what you are!
    unicorn
    20th Nov 2014
    5:24pm
    Frank umm, err, ahh, maybe the prime minister of Australia should be more positive as the way he comes across is as an idiot who cannot make up his mind and once he does (very rare) it usually is changed within one day. Remeber the burqa affair ? Sure is positive I think.
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    8:44am
    So you like "positive" unicorn, - Rudd was positive - only listened to his own voice!
    He thought his so-called "charisma" held enough influence/confidence to enable him to babble constantly with nothing but b.s.
    No expertise, no team effort, no planning or thinking things through -
    Just whimsical, idiotic ideas - BUT, he was POSITIVE! Didn't back down!!
    Even people with expertise & experience change their ideas when its needed -
    We all change our minds if a better alternative presents itself!
    Adrianus
    21st Nov 2014
    9:19am
    unicorn, it was not Abbotts decision in the first place to have a trial Burqa Ban. However, he did step in to voice his concerns at the community unrest which ended the ban.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:36am
    unicorn: predictable response from the trolls. Did you notice that both were away for the day and have now returned. A government conference for its trolls? Maybe.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    8:43am
    A govt. conference is un-necessary, mick.
    I do my own research - & don't have to look very hard.
    Adrianus
    24th Nov 2014
    8:53am
    mick has to check with Getup before he thinks.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    9:58am
    Why not add GetUp to your list Frank. Of course the membership of GetUp is probably more than the membership of your Liberal Party. That must hurt but it does tell a story.
    What a joke miss aisle. YOU HAVE NO RESEARCH. All you have is the Liberal Party script. Was the conference good the other day. Did they give you a new way of combating posters who do not accept your propaganda?
    unicorn
    20th Nov 2014
    5:27pm
    Taylah I think you will find that Tony gets more than the American president.
    particolor
    20th Nov 2014
    5:33pm
    Substantially So !!
    Adrianus
    20th Nov 2014
    6:48pm
    Yes but the question is why is he worth that sort of money? He is running a quiz show for ch.... sake!!
    particolor
    20th Nov 2014
    7:13pm
    Yes !! We listen to Lies for Nothing !!
    Paulodapotter
    21st Nov 2014
    12:15am
    Where did you get the half a million salary for Tony Jones? What are your sources. I am genuinely interested.
    Paulodapotter
    21st Nov 2014
    1:07am
    Oh and Frank, you've had 260 jobs, give or take a couple. Have you kept a list? Funny, as an old school teacher, you can usually tell from the body language whether or not someone's telling porkies. You can also tell by the way they write. I suppose you included mowing the lawn in those 260 jobs. As a handyman I probably exceeded a couple of thousand jobs, but even though they were usually trade related jobs, I haven't separated them into their various trades. So you're not on a pension then, Frank. Neither am I, so we have something in common after all. Pity you're colour blind. I think Particolor has got you pegged.
    Adrianus
    21st Nov 2014
    9:12am
    I doubt very much if my record will be broken. I can recall, as a young man, starting 3 jobs in the same day.

    Glen Stevens said a couple of days ago,' it's ok having these FTA's and increased trade, but are we as a nation capable of taking advantage? Can businesses respond in a timely manner?
    Is a business capable of easily sacking staff? Because if it is not then it will find difficulty in easily employing staff.' or words to that effect.

    Unless we have serious IR reforms we will be at a disadvantage with our trading partners.
    Yes my record is safe for the time being anyway. Very clever of you to observe my non verbals from your computer.
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    9:34am
    That's nothing !! I can remember Crossing the road from one Job and starting a new job at Lunch Time while still eating a Sandwich !!.. They paid 2 Quid more over the road for the same job !!
    Adrianus
    21st Nov 2014
    9:46am
    Thank you parti, at least someone understands the changes over the years. Did the extra 2 quid make you work harder?
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    9:51am
    Not that I noticed ? I behaved like a CEO !!
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    10:00am
    Australia would be more productive if business owners had more say about
    hiring/firing
    who they'd like to hire
    agreement with wages (don't mean taking advantage)
    How many more business owners would hire more people if they had more control ?
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    10:05am
    Atung !!
    Adrianus
    21st Nov 2014
    10:08am
    I found that also, it makes no difference how much people are paid. Any HR scientist will tell you much the same. The fear of losing a good paying job is a better motivator toward higher productivity.
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    10:14am
    Bigger Whips Instil more Fear !!
    Adrianus
    21st Nov 2014
    11:01am
    You've got a cruel side to that jovial nature parti.
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    11:14am
    I'm going Shopping now ! Its Pittance Day ! And Ill be Cruel to a Lamb Chop at Lunch Time IF I can find one in My Price Range ??
    Adrianus
    21st Nov 2014
    11:35am
    parti, I don't know why you keep crying poor me? After 40 years on the Railway and only 4 years into your retirement, your super pension would be higher than your aged pension. It's none of my business, but you seem to be eating a lot of lamb and going to the RSL and smoking and gambling on the pokies.
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    8:51pm
    BYB :-)
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:36am
    No unicorn. The president gets more. Google it!
    PlanB
    21st Nov 2014
    8:54am
    I have not read all posts but I do NOT agree that the ABC or SBS are all "left" at all I think they are well balanced-- Abbott does like being asked questions --notice he NEVER gets to be interviewed ?

    Turnbull was doing his best to defend and be loyal to the Abbott idiot but even he was having a hard time on Q&A the other night.

    Abbott is a down right liar and a dangerous man
    PlanB
    21st Nov 2014
    8:57am
    Meant to say Abbott DOES NOT LIKE TO BE ASKED QUESTIONS
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    9:43am
    Er ! UM ! Er Er !! .. Making up a Crap answer takes a little longer.
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    9:52am
    Malcolm Turnbull was having a hard time because he was surrounded by lefties
    wanting to but in, & of course, the so-called host would like to see any
    Liberals squirm.
    If there were balanced questions from the audience,
    a balance of invited guests
    & an unbiased host
    Malcolm Turnbull would have breezed through.
    (but ABC cannot have that, can they?)
    mangomick
    21st Nov 2014
    10:08am
    miss aisle
    Maybe you need to take more notice of just how many Liberals Laborites and Greens are actually in the Audience . The figures are broadcast before each show and if my memory serves me correctly the larger portion were Liberal supporters.
    The only reason Malcolm struggled was because he thinks Abbott is a dill and if he wants to remain a chance for leadership eventually ,he has to be seen as supporting whatever the Leadership team of the Liberals say whether he agrees with it or not.
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    10:16am
    The figures broadcasted at the beginning of the show does show more Liberal
    supporters, but management, when deciding about choice of questions
    BEFORE the show,
    know exactly which ones will cause more of a stir!
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    10:24am
    Nothing creates more Activity than throwing a Crocodile in the Public Swimming Pool !!
    PlanB
    21st Nov 2014
    10:25am
    miss aisle, do you AND others not agree that Abbott has broken the majority of his promises ? No cuts to the ABC etc etc
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    10:29am
    What a Vicious Headmaster !! The whole School got the Cuts !!
    wally
    21st Nov 2014
    10:58am
    Hi mangomick. I think you might be right about the Labor/Liberal/Greenie mix in the Q and A audience. I think that the audience members polled about their party preferences or affiliations might actually be claiming to be Liberal supporters when they are not, to secure a seat for themselves and deny a seat for a genuine Liberal supporter. Considering the "end justifying the means" mentality displayed by our younger Lefties, I should suspect that the polling of the audience reflects what the people say rather than what they really believe. With this in mind, I would suspect that the Q and A audience is "packed" to favour the Labor view of things.
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    11:01am
    Your not Incinerating that Labor People Lie too are You ??
    Adrianus
    21st Nov 2014
    11:29am
    PlanB, on the subject of broken promises, one needs to consider a range of evidence, not just simply a spoken word at a doorstop.
    There are many obstacles to overcome in politics and although some politicians try very hard to 'say what they will do and do what they have said' it doesn't always pan out that way. The Abbott government also said they would cut red tape and make it cheaper and easier for investors to have access to Financial Planners. They found 2 days ago that it was going to be a tough job. You can call that a broken promise if you like.
    When taking evidence in a court of law intention is of paramount importance. It can mean a huge difference to a sentence or guilty verdict.
    Are you capable of displaying the same wise judgement?
    mangomick
    21st Nov 2014
    11:34am
    Wally Wally Wally. You have got to be the ultimate conspiracy theorist.....
    I've got to get ABC QandA to personally check the card carrying bonafides of every audience member. Those rotten Laborites, the things they do to disrupt fair play. Wonder why 10% of them would say they were Greens or would they be Liberals saying that they are Greens to Confuse the Laborites who are saying they are Liberals to confuse the Liberals who are saying they are Green. Boy,it gets confusing....
    PlanB
    21st Nov 2014
    11:58am
    Frank you must have forgotten about the so called broken promise that Gillard was called out on--she HAD to do that as the Greens had control but it never stopped Abbott calling her a liar at every chance he got, he made outright promises and has broken almost every one
    Adrianus
    21st Nov 2014
    12:13pm
    micki ma boy, It may come as a surprise for you to learn that I have no control over what Abbott says.
    I just checked with the ABC Fact Checker which is as much admired by labor/Greens supporters as the Koran is by Islamists.
    Anyway the Fact Checker has 12 Broken, 14 Delivered, 47 in progress and 5 stalled.
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    12:42pm
    PlanB - Even if Tony Abbott somehow broke almost all the party's promises,
    absolutely NOTHING can compare with the chaos & massacre which Labor created & dumped into the laps of all Aussies!

    At least Tony works as a team, thorough research is carried out, but most of all,
    they use basic, common sense.
    (Which is a far cry from the previous govt)
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    8:18pm
    Someone's got it Bad here !!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:42am
    planB: expectable response from the government funded trolls. They claim that their man did not get a fair go. But when the other side gets the difficult questions they say nothing.
    Turnbull did indeed get a fair go but he was asked the hard questions and he was not allowed to lie and leave as happens in many of the other large media outlets. So that is the form of the unfair reporting.
    The trouble with the trolls is that they are making the victimisation case rather then owning up to real reporting where lies are prodded until the liar comes clean. We have clearly reached a place in our nation where lying has become an accepted way of life. I for one endorse Jones for not letting Turnbull off the hook whilst giving him the opportunity of having a say. This is fair.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    8:39am
    Time to take your blinkers off, you are misguided, mick.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    9:55am
    And you are a cash for comment troll. I do not have blinkers. I just defend against the lies you and a couple of others from your stable extoll on this site. Disgraceful.
    particolor
    24th Nov 2014
    8:25pm
    I know who all the Rascals are Mick ! I get Multi Posts in My In box !! I just have to Delete them in Bulk !! There are bout 7 on this Site !! Disgraceful.
    particolor
    24th Nov 2014
    9:34pm
    But it is entertaining and keeps us fully Informed of how BAD Julie and Rudd were !!
    Daily !!
    MICK
    26th Nov 2014
    9:32am
    Yeah particolour. And never a word about "he lied". Funny that. I often wonder if readers are so simple that they believe the managed propaganda.
    miss aisle
    26th Nov 2014
    9:50am
    mick - will you STOP being a completely brainwashed troll !
    particolor
    26th Nov 2014
    10:51am
    Cut it out You lot and get back on Target !! How Good life is now in the Land of Silence ?
    mangomick
    21st Nov 2014
    10:12am
    This is really sad. 15 comments on How much sex is enough. and 319 on slashing 5% from the ABCs budget.
    Is this what the future holds for our nations more senior citizens.No wonder a lot of you are so cranky. Can tell who isnt getting any.
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    10:17am
    Telly ..319
    Sex .. A dismal 15.. Beer is better than Ice Cream !!
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    10:24am
    mangomick - I think you're getting your sites mixed up!
    mangomick
    21st Nov 2014
    10:32am
    Don't think so miss aisle
    http://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/news/how-much-sex-is-enough
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    12:33pm
    I have to admit mangomick, you are right, - I misunderstood.
    Abby
    21st Nov 2014
    2:49pm
    Those stats prove that too much of the taxpayer's money is being spent on ABC
    mangomick
    21st Nov 2014
    3:05pm
    With these stats I'd say the ABC should get more money as it may prove that more people are worried about the outcome of the ABC under a LNP Government than wondering/worrying if the sex they are getting is enough.......
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    8:20pm
    Once a Knight !
    mangomick
    21st Nov 2014
    8:26pm
    Are you bragging Sir particolor???
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    8:39pm
    Well sometimes I have to Chase Her too many times Around the Round Table !!.
    PlanB
    21st Nov 2014
    10:28am
    I also know a lot of died in the wool Libs that say they disagree with this Government, blokes that are on the land as well.
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    10:36am
    Theres a local Polly office here ! But no one will go near the joint for fear of being Pelted with Fruit ??
    mangomick
    21st Nov 2014
    11:37am
    Now with Mr Abbotts Free Trade agreement you can bet that fruit will be from the Philippines or China.
    PlanB
    21st Nov 2014
    12:00pm
    Yes we are in for a lot MORE of imported rubbish as the cost of jobs here and if you think that China will employ Aussies you have got to be dreaming --they also own land here and soon it will be US Aussies that are the slaves
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    12:24pm
    PlanB - Would you rather be a slave to muslims taking over ??
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    12:29pm
    PlanB - "....dyed in the wool Libs that say they disagree with this govt...." ?

    Are you saying that Labor showed a united front ??
    The public saw constant friction amongst Labor govt.
    AND that's only what WE saw ?
    MOST of the friction was behind closed doors!
    miss aisle
    21st Nov 2014
    12:31pm
    My above comment is correct, but a bit off-track.
    PlanB
    21st Nov 2014
    3:39pm
    I have NO time for either of the 2 partys at this time they are both a dead loss
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:45am
    miss aisle (or whoever you really are): muslims taking over? Really? If in doubt change the subject and throw out a curved ball.
    Its a hard choice between muslims in charge and the rich in this nation turning us into slaves. I'm not sure which is worse.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    8:37am
    Well, if you're not sure, then you're not well enough informed!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    9:54am
    Trolls like you are INFORMED by the party storyline miss aisle....or is that Solomon????. You are what you are.
    Don't think that readers are unable to see through what you are up to here.
    particolor
    26th Nov 2014
    10:30am
    What would You Prefer ? A Bowl of Rice for Supper ! OR No Head to eat it with ??
    Adrianus
    26th Nov 2014
    11:49am
    I think Christine Milne puts it in words which are on mick's level of understanding.

    "Do you want death or do you want coal?"

    I'm still trying to figure that one out?
    particolor
    26th Nov 2014
    11:53am
    He might have a Coal Sore ??..
    PlanB
    21st Nov 2014
    12:21pm
    As much as I don't want to I have to retire from this thread as I have to search through every post to find the latest
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    8:57pm
    Push the Program Guide Button !!
    Abby
    21st Nov 2014
    2:56pm
    When you get ABC bidding against SBS with the Taxpayer money about the rights to some football game - there needs to be cutbacks.

    What good are the news on SBS when they do not have subtitles ??? - why only broadcast for a few ??? - the guy in charge needs to be sacked.

    What good is a news channel Ch24 when most of it is NOT news - the guy in charge needs to be sacked.

    Two lots of savings made already.
    PlanB
    21st Nov 2014
    3:42pm
    There are many other good and interesting shows on SBS and ABC other than the news
    Abby
    22nd Nov 2014
    4:27pm
    Channel 24 is a NEWS channel - they can put other programmes on their other 4 channels or cancel them if they are going to put it all on the news channel.

    Why is ABC bidding with TAXPAYER dollars against SBS to get some football rights - definite mismanagement there.
    PlanB
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:42am
    PlanB
    21st Nov 2014
    12:21pm
    reply
    As much as I don't want to I have to retire from this thread as I have to search through every post to find the latest
    particolor
    21st Nov 2014
    8:57pm
    report
    Push the Program Guide Button !!


    Where is that Parti?
    particolor
    22nd Nov 2014
    4:09pm
    I meant push the Program Guide Button on Your TV Remote to see the Next wonderful program on... Your ABC !!..Happy Viewing !!
    Jen
    22nd Nov 2014
    3:51pm
    Frank, if you don't think we're being treated as fools, I wonder where you've been for the last 15 months. Do you really want me to type out all the promises made before the election and one by one, the blatant breaking of those promises after the election? Is there even enough space here to do that? Is that not treating voters as fools in your book? Really? You might be happy to be treated as a fool, to have facts hidden from you, to have your taxes blown on searching for lost aircraft which are not our responsibility, and other massively wasteful expenditures while propping up the fabulously wealthy miners and the Murdoch empire...I could go on and on and on...but many of us, I would like to think most of us, are not.
    particolor
    22nd Nov 2014
    4:05pm
    No that's enough ! I think He has only got 2 Aspirins left !!.. He used the Best Part of a Large Packet Thinking what to Go On With Next ???
    miss aisle
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:33pm
    Jen, would you really like someone to type out all the idiotic stuff-ups from
    Labor? I believe there's about 1500 of them!
    You're so ready to condemn this govt., & ignore the mayhem Labor created !
    Amazing...
    If anyone treated us as fools, it was Labor govt., -
    they thought we would simply accept any crazy schemes without blinking
    an eyelid! At least some Labor voters took their blinkers off
    before the last federal election.
    If they didn't, we would have another 100,000 illegals, more borrowed money
    given away & probably more people killed through negligence.
    Time to really weigh up, Jen !
    Adrianus
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:37pm
    Jen, that's not very nice? I don't know what I said to warrant that sort of attack?
    It must have been something I was thinking but I am sure if I was having those thoughts then I deserved it.
    I have no choice but to be happy, although I have had a terrible run in the last 15 months, I am still happy. Some people think I am a fool and some don't. I don't try to dissuade people from their view of me because quite often I don't know what it is.
    miss aisle
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:49pm
    Frank, From what I've read in the last few weeks,
    I would say:-
    You definitely answer with tact,
    You do a lot of research, providing facts many aren't aware of
    Hard worker
    You seem to try the "gentle" way first.
    You appear to be a caring person
    Better stop before you're embarressed!
    That's honestly how you come across - when reading between the lines.
    Adrianus
    22nd Nov 2014
    6:40pm
    Awe, gee thanks miss aisle you're very sweet to say so. I really liked your 5:33 post!
    miss aisle
    22nd Nov 2014
    8:32pm
    Seeing you've had a terrible run in the last 15 months, Frank,
    it was time for a bit of encouragement - using honest positives.

    I thought the 5:33 post may have been answered by now, but -
    what can be said ?
    mangomick
    22nd Nov 2014
    9:43pm
    Aw Gee........It look like a liberal mutual admiration society is springing up right here on yourlifechoices. It kind of brings a tear to my eye............How touching...
    PlanB
    23rd Nov 2014
    5:34am
    They want to get rid of the ABC & SBS because they are the only ones that bring the powers that be to account. There are a VERY few good programs on the commercial channels but mostly reality etc and rubbish
    mangomick
    23rd Nov 2014
    6:35am
    Yes Plan B. Reading all the Pro Liberal anti ABC comments on here I am beginning to think that many Liberal supporters only have the intellectual capacity for programs such as Big Brother and other so called "reality" shows..........
    miss aisle
    23rd Nov 2014
    9:20am
    mangomick - Having a little empathy for my fellow-man is too hard for you to
    understand?
    If you were doing it tough, I'd have a few words for you too !

    Also, - mangomick, speaking of " Liberal supporters only having the intellectual
    capacity for programs..."?
    I don't feel I have to watch TV just for the sake of it....
    Fortunately, I & many others have a life besides TV.

    PlanB - "...the only ones that bring powers that be to account." ??
    It should read "...the only ones that criticise every word spoken from the
    Liberals, and sugarcoat the words of Labor...
    PlanB
    23rd Nov 2014
    9:38am
    I also have a life other than TV --I record all I am interested in and watch it when the likes of "football etc" are on, I also read and hear others opinions. I am also not singing Lab' praises as they are all a dead loss
    Adrianus
    23rd Nov 2014
    10:05am
    Take no notice of them miss aisle! They have been exposed to the leftist propaganda for far too long. They believe that only the left has empathy and compassion.
    How can it be that only a modest increase in their pension can be built on empathy?
    How is it that by 'stopping the boats' becomes an act of compassion for fellow human beings?
    How can it be that the act of giving a 1.5% pay increase for ADF personnel can have at it's source compassion?
    How can it be that the loss of a few jobs at their much admired ABC have the slightest amount of sympathy?
    The left owns compassion and they use it for politics, they don't waste it on anyone who doesn't share their view of the world.
    miss aisle
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:51am
    PlanB - You may not be singing praises for Labor, BUT, if you are unable to
    comment on the radical biased comments aimed only at the right,
    you definitely lean more towards the Labor side.
    If one is NOT FOR something, then one IS AGAINST it.
    PlanB
    23rd Nov 2014
    11:58am
    I am certainly against this dictator mob we have now and I would not vote for Lab at this time either as they have proved they can't be trusted either ALTHOUGH they never lied like Abbott, I despise the Abbott mob and even though Julie Bishop is good at her job she is an out right BITCH
    miss aisle
    23rd Nov 2014
    12:01pm
    Frank ..... I agree,....
    Anyone so full of Labor's praises & all that they stand for, are unable to honestly
    distinguish between right & wrong, what is best for the country now, & in future,
    and where compassion is due & where it's definitely not!
    Their whole value system & attention goes to who can scream the loudest.
    Liberals concept is based on rewarding good behaviour.
    miss aisle
    23rd Nov 2014
    12:07pm
    PlanB - If you think Julie Bishop is good at her job, why bring your view of her
    personality into it? What has she personally done to you?
    Sounds like you'd prefer if Julie wasn't doing an excellent job,
    so you could have more ammo. to attack the right!
    wally
    23rd Nov 2014
    12:24pm
    H I Jen. I am glad to see you bring up the topic of broken promises so passionately. Did you display the same passion and revulsion at our former Labor treasurer Wayne Swan when year after year he told us all publicly that he was going to deliver a budget surplus and never did? Was Wayne Swan telling lies as Australia's indebtedness to China rose by leaps and bounds every year under the Labor government.
    Do you really want to return government to people like Wayne Swan and the Liar Party so they can finish wrecking the Australian economy?
    particolor
    23rd Nov 2014
    12:29pm
    Pots and Black Kettles ? The Liar Party !! HAw Haw Haw He He !!!!
    wally
    23rd Nov 2014
    12:44pm
    And according to PlanB should we all judge our politicians according to whether we like them or not? We should vote for people that we think would be best at running the country. Plan B shows an much maturity as primary school children do when they vote for school captains, if he/she applies the popularity standard as the only way to measure the suitability of candidates for office.
    If we were to use PlanB's criteria for electing our leaders, would we elect Rolt Harris for PM if we had the election a year ago? How about Adam Goode, Cate Blanchette, Kathy Freeman or Hugh Jackman for PM? Popular, yes. But would you trust them just because they are popular to perform dental wotk on yourself or your children? Would you select Australia's darling Nicole Kidman to perform brain surgery on you because she is currently popular and NOT a bitch?
    I think we should choose ability , integrity and policy when making decisions about who should run our government, not on how these personalities appear on tv and the womens' supermarket check out magazines.
    PlanB
    23rd Nov 2014
    12:52pm
    The reason why I do not like Bishop is because she also didn't give a --- for the poor devils that were suffering from Asbestos she defended Hardys and she is a cold hard bitch you can see it in her attitude and face. She also never smiles with her eye just with he mouth in a very nasty way

    I think you are having a very juvenile argument here
    Adrianus
    23rd Nov 2014
    12:55pm
    Absolutely wally!! well said!!
    It's interesting to note that in the history of the Labor Party (including pre 1912 when they were known as the Labour Party) the 2 leaders who have gained the biggest vote are Hawke and Rudd. One of them deserved it the other didn't! However, your point is a good one, and possibly a major reason why Labor will get trounced in the next Fed election. Big on personality and short on results.
    miss aisle
    23rd Nov 2014
    1:13pm
    PlanB - I guess, like they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
    I personally think that Julie's face (& eyes) light up when she smiles.

    I cannot have "a very juvenile argument" on my own PlanB !
    particolor
    23rd Nov 2014
    1:34pm
    Must be Liberal Party Pat On the Back Sunday ??
    mangomick
    23rd Nov 2014
    5:36pm
    1.5% increase for our Defence Personnel. How Big hearted of them. Doesn't even meet CPI so in fact they are actually going backwards each year. Maybe the same Independent body that justify MPs pay should set the Defence pays.
    mangomick
    23rd Nov 2014
    5:41pm
    Miss aisle says...If one is NOT FOR something, then one IS AGAINST it.
    Sounds like you spent a bit of time with the Iraq Syria Islamic State with that sort of perverse thinking........
    miss aisle
    23rd Nov 2014
    7:15pm
    mangomick - so you better understand the term - sitting on the fence ?
    Adrianus
    23rd Nov 2014
    7:21pm
    checkmate mango!! he he he
    mangomick
    23rd Nov 2014
    7:42pm
    No not fence sitting. Was quite a fan of Costello ,I thought if he was given the mantle of Leader he would have done an outstanding job. Not a fan of Abbott don't think in his previous port folios he cut the mustard. Not a fan of Rudds leadership ability thought Keating and Hawke both very capable and thought Gillard if not for her own party may have been o.k .It comes down to who my local member is ,what qualifications he/she has and what sort of a Leader has the party got who he or she belongs to. Where I come is predominately a blue collar electorate and yet we have been represented State wise by an independent ,for the last four terms,who was an ex mayor and who did a good job for the community. Unlike you and Frank apparently I don't follow blindly any one party machine without giving it some thought at least. If the LNP have enough sense to dump Abbott and go with Turnbull I will probably be classed as one of those Whacky Liberals by the labor side. Think you need to brush up on your chess Frank.Game over now............
    miss aisle
    23rd Nov 2014
    9:34pm
    mangomick The game was well & truly over - before your last comment!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:50am
    jen: don't waste your time with Frank and miss aisle. Both are clearly genuine posters and continually run the anti Labor and anti union lines. You are quite correct about what this government has done in the past 15 months: lies, more lies, deceit, financial attacks on average Australians, money sent to the richest amongst us, and finally huge increases in the debt. They are what they are and they are here to do a job.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    9:52am
    A Freudian slip jen. I meant NOT GENUINE POSTERS.
    miss aisle
    25th Nov 2014
    8:22am
    mick - 12:50am - How about taking your own advice ?
    And yes, I am a genuine poster - I am not getting cash for comments.
    Adrianus
    25th Nov 2014
    8:55am
    miss aisle, based on your previous posts and your honesty, I have no doubt that you are telling the truth. However, mick on the other hand is affiliated with a political group which were responsible for Gillard's knee jerk reaction on the live cattle ban to Indonesia. I suspect mick is getting paid by this group and they pay him well. It's about time mick came clean with us?
    MICK
    26th Nov 2014
    9:37am
    So your new approach is saying what I say about you Frank. Laughable.
    It is clear that both you Frank and miss aisle (or is that Solomon with a new name?) are political trolls paid by this government. Let all who read understand.
    miss aisle
    26th Nov 2014
    9:44am
    Thank you, Frank.
    C'mon. now mick, getting a nice, regular deposit in your a/c ?
    Does, computer, mobile, come with the package ?
    It's out in the open now!
    Adrianus
    26th Nov 2014
    9:59am
    Yes mick, don't forget to disclose that house in Japan on your pecuniary interests list.
    Abby
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:00pm
    If ABC is paid AU$ 1.1 billion per year for a population of 23, 425, 700
    (AU$ 1.1 billion) / 23 425 700 = 46.9569746 AU$

    That sure is a lot of money to pay for every man, woman and child each year - think I'd prefer the money myself ???
    miss aisle
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:23pm
    Well Abby, what a waste !
    ABC definitely needs much more trimming - starting from the top.
    Thanks for showing exactly how it is.
    Adrianus
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:25pm
    Abby, if you include the budget cut announced by Turnbull the funding for ABC and SBS comes to$6.8b over the next 5 years. The real problem is I think we need to borrow that money?
    miss aisle
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:36pm
    Just when you think "this is really bad" -
    It gets worse !
    Adrianus
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:38pm
    miss aisle, what happened now?
    miss aisle
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:42pm
    Bad enough to pay that money,
    but (like you mentioned)
    (" I think we need to borrow that money")
    Thinking of the interest!
    particolor
    22nd Nov 2014
    5:57pm
    Borrow it off the Pollies Retirement and Perks Fund !! I'm sure there's Stacks in there ??
    Adrianus
    22nd Nov 2014
    6:34pm
    Yes that's right miss aisle, because we are borrowing a thousand million dollars every month to pay the interest on our debt so anything that is considered non essential can be regarded as being propped up by borrowed funds.
    Abby
    23rd Nov 2014
    6:56am
    We can count our lucky stars that the interest rate is low at present
    Banana Republic for Australia if interest goes up with our debt in toe.
    Adrianus
    23rd Nov 2014
    7:34am
    The cost of M1 will rise for us simply on the say so of the ratings agencies. At the moment we are at their mercy.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:52am
    If you think that this is waste then you are clearly ignoring government itself and its self interest public service.
    The above posts are not factual, as normal, but are paid political statements from the most unpopular and dishonest government I can ever recall. But don't worry, this lot is on its way out. We want an election Tony!
    toot2000
    23rd Nov 2014
    1:06pm
    Hardly anybody is watching the ABC now anyway. I used to enjoy Q & A when the elections were on but it’s gone right off and so has the 7.30 show and the comedy sketches are painfully unfunny.

    As of today, the TV audience share is:
    SBS at the bottom with 4.8 per cent, then comes ABC next at 11.5 per cent, Channel 10 made 21.5 per cent, Channel 7 comes in at 30.5 per cent and the winner is Channel 9 at 32 per cent.

    People are turning off ABC tv in droves - 11.5 per cent of audience share says it all IMO.
    Adrianus
    23rd Nov 2014
    1:22pm
    toot, thanks for those facts. It puts it all into perspective really doesn't it? The ABC has lost its relevance and representativeness to the community. Turnbull has asked the Board to look into their lagging support and they have replied 'we don't want to get involved.' Why does the ABC have a board and a CEO if they don't want to get involved? Are they 'working from home' and just making an appearance at Money Mountain' on pay day?
    particolor
    23rd Nov 2014
    1:32pm
    Yeah turn the lot off except Ch 9 and we can all get a good sleep while they have Home Improvement Shows on ??
    miss aisle
    23rd Nov 2014
    1:33pm
    Don't think the left-wingers will have a lot to say with those facts on show.
    particolor
    23rd Nov 2014
    1:42pm
    ZZZZZzzz :-)
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:55am
    Interesting figures. Where did they come from?
    Funny that the 7:30 Report is the most popular current affairs program in the country and Q&A has a huge audience as well. And then you add in the News which reports things the two right wing news stations do not want to air and it seems odd that the figures are so low.
    wally
    24th Nov 2014
    10:42am
    If what toot says about the ABC ratings is correct, then it would seem that the ABC under is current management is failing to provide value for money. Despite a couple of relatively successful shows like the 730 report and the "Tony Jones' Flying Circus" (aka Q & A), much of the other ABC offerings do not seem to attract the audience numbers to show much, if any, value for money. Besides ABC 1 on television, let us not forget all the various radio stations that are under the ABC banner. What are their audience numbers like? It would be instructive to compare ratings and audience numbers of ABC today with ABC's ratings (and budget allocations as well) in the past, to get an idea of how well the ABC does in determining whether or not ABC provides value for the Australian Tax payer.
    Like it or not, the commercial radio and tv stations would appear to be more efficiently run that the ABC if over all ratings are to believed. You could say the disparity in ratings results reflects poorly on the intelligence and taste of the viewing and listening public if you like, but if the ABC is there to educate the Australian public, the ratings show the ABC is a wretched and dismal failure there too.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    3:00pm
    Still waiting to find out where the ratings came from wally. You are using them as though they are gospel. Lets get the facts straight before we do that as I have a feeling that these numbers may be fabrications. I await a response to my earlier request from toot.
    toot2000
    24th Nov 2014
    4:48pm
    Here you are mick


    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/will-programming-cuts-affect-the-ability-of-the-abc-to-lure-younger-viewers-20141122-11r25q.html
    MICK
    26th Nov 2014
    9:39am
    Thanks toot. I have been googling this but it did not show anywhere. I'll have a look.
    Adrianus
    26th Nov 2014
    10:07am
    It seems the ABC had a deal with the previous government. Loads of cash were delivered to the ABC for Industrial peace and quiet. When Turnbull was asked if the ABC reciprocated politicaly, he replied "I would not say that. Others can infer that if they wish"
    I've heard enough! The government should do to the ABC what the Labor Party did to the ABCC.
    moke
    23rd Nov 2014
    1:43pm
    I am sure any real Aussie knows already that this government is only concerned with big business and how to save money to keep their own over grown pay packets. They could save a goodly amount if they cut all the lurks and perks paid to ex politicians, the huge cost of illegal immigrants and leave pensioners and poor AUSSIES alone, but we better not hold our breath or we will please the government with less population and medical bills because I don't think the man in the street counts any more.
    particolor
    23rd Nov 2014
    1:48pm
    O He still counts, but He doesn't have to count very much !!
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    12:57am
    Yes. This is a big business government. For those who follow the money trail that is clear.
    wally
    24th Nov 2014
    12:21pm
    And how many Aussie taxpayers owe their livelihoods (directly or indirectly) to the big businesses and their local suppliers. If you were to rid Australia of big business, than "middle sized business and small business" (assuming these last two would expand to fill the void left by the elimination of the current big business) would merely perpetuate the system. Or else we would revert to a sort of European Middle Ages style village economy along the lines of what the feral greenies think would be best for us all.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    3:04pm
    wally: you are making a fool of yourself mate. You need to understand that big business and consumers (us) are in a symbiotic arrangement. Big business is not in this game because they are benevolent businesses. They are in it for the money and will not hesitate to rip off workers or sack them at the drop of a hat.
    Your rant defies the facts. And if big business upped stumps and left there'd be an immediate filling of the void by some savvy local business person.
    You are fairy tale telling wally!
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    4:44pm
    well explained, wally.
    particolor
    24th Nov 2014
    8:28pm
    Gawd I miss the Corner Store ?? I have to Drive 2 Miles now to the Big Boys in Town ??
    MICK
    26th Nov 2014
    9:40am
    And as usual the Frank and miss aisle government propaganda machine compliment each other when caught out. Laughable.
    miss aisle
    26th Nov 2014
    9:55am
    Time to come clean, mick -
    All out in the open now ! Must be a relief mick !
    Spend the money wisely until the next deposit !
    Adrianus
    26th Nov 2014
    10:13am
    mick, your rant reveals more than you realise.
    unicorn
    23rd Nov 2014
    4:18pm
    What annoys me is that if you speak against Abott you must be Labour supporter yet every one who says so immediately turns everything into how much (Bullshit) debt they got the country into. Funny how evrything the libs do is okay even though they have broken so many promises they made pre election.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    1:02am
    You are not understanding what is happening on this site unicorn. There are some genuine bloggers who have an opinion but there are a number of paid bloggers who are leaving repeated 'cash for comment' blogs. These are generally the ones which turn everything factually attacking this government into anti Labor and anti union propaganda.
    Personally I wish the community would tell the government employees on this site to take a hike so that genuine discussion could happen. You might get some folk with anti Labor leanings but you would get rid of the social engineers inciting hatred with no evidence other than the one sided mud they throw.
    Adrianus
    24th Nov 2014
    8:58am
    Unicorn, likewise if one says something positive about the government then one must be a troll or a nutter of some kind. It kind of reminds me of my early school days when nobody wanted to excel scholastically for fear of being labelled a smart arse.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    9:50am
    Nobody takes offense when any good act from any government is noted. What gets up peoples noses Frank is when you and the other trolls repeatedly talk up this government whilst ignoring how dishonest, deceitful and cunning it is. And when anybody says anything bad about the misfits YOU straight away turn to Labor and unions. So predictable.
    I was one of the "smart arses" you mention. And for your information I never had an issue. Nor did some of my fellow students one of whom later won the university medal in chemistry at Sydney uni and another who got his PHD in mathematics at UNSW.
    You sound like a sad case Frank. As I have said on many occasions....I don't know how you can live with yourself taking money to write the crap you do. Politicians are generally the 'prostitutes' of vested interests....but trolls are much worse: people who have sold their souls to the devil.
    wally
    24th Nov 2014
    10:50am
    mick, I seem to recall that in past posts, you profess to despise all sitting politicians equally. It would seem that, in neglecting to take the Opposition ("Zinger" Shorten and his Caucus cronies in and out of Parliament) to task, you are sadly failing to live up to your implied promise of battering both government and non government politicians equally. That is, if you truly believe politicians on both sides are equally despicable and deserving of loathing and ridicule.
    MICK
    24th Nov 2014
    3:08pm
    Please do not put words into my mouth which never existed wally. This is just plain Abbott deceit at work.
    I never said that I despised all politicians. I just said that both sides + Greens were toxic. But there are always a few good eggs in a rotten packet. Mostly from within the ranks of Independents though. I have a lot of time for PMs like Xenophon who tries to take up issues which the bid two refuse to touch...even though Australians are being worked over. It tells you about the humanity of both Liberal and Labor. Very little in that tank!
    You are starting to sound so much like Abbott Inc.
    miss aisle
    24th Nov 2014
    4:42pm
    Very conveniently side-stepped mick.
    Adrianus
    24th Nov 2014
    6:48pm
    mick, re your post 9:50am. You don't understand how anyone can have a view contrary to the view that you have been given by Bill Shorten and Christine Milne.
    I am not judging you mick, just an observation. You say you are a smart arse, well all I can say to that is. ... it is part of the law of averages for all of us to get at least one thing right.
    MICK
    26th Nov 2014
    9:47am
    Frank: your "view" for want of a better word is blatant propaganda. Your response to bad news about your employer is to make a comment about unions, Gillard or Rudd. So predictable. And your posts are either idiolising this government (sick) or making out how good it is when the reality is that Abbott intentionally lied about almost everything before the election and now has had a change of mind. Yeah right.
    "No cuts to the ABC" was his promise on this one.
    Troll as much as you both like. This government will be gone after the next election. None too soon for decent Australians but you wouldn't know anything about basic decency and being a genuine Australian. Your kind are despicable and I for one cannot understand how you can stand the sight of yourself in front of the mirror every night. But then you fit in well with this government as you have the same morals. None.
    Adrianus
    26th Nov 2014
    10:24am
    mick, be careful, your bigotry is showing. Are you not pleased that people like me stand up for your right to have an outburst of bigotry? I will leave it for you to decide whether your bigotry is deeply imbedded into your personality when you next shave or put on your make up!
    particolor
    26th Nov 2014
    10:44am
    Never mind all that Infighting and Squabbling !! I want more Cash for Comment so I know how well off I am now under the New Regime ??
    toot2000
    24th Nov 2014
    1:54pm
    Ratings for last night Sunday 23 November 2014

    1 NINE NEWS 1,247,000 2 SEVEN NEWS 1,199,000 3 ONE DAY CRICKET -AUS V SA 1,171,000 4 SUNDAY NIGHT 1,167,000 5 COUNTDOWN: DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR 919,000

    Read More »
    billber
    24th Nov 2014
    4:06pm
    Just wait for Stupid Rupert to replace the ABC in Asia. That's his reward from the Government LIARS
    particolor
    24th Nov 2014
    7:59pm
    Yes I had a feeling there was something Sneaky like that going on !!
    particolor
    28th Nov 2014
    3:15pm
    There are 5 Million Stories in the Naked City !! This has been one of them !!
    Abby
    28th Nov 2014
    6:46am
    Interesting how one half complains about Labor and the other about the Liberal

    The real problem is that we as Seniors do not have a voice in the Parliament.

    Henry a member of this Forum has made huge sacrifice by attempting to start a Senior's Party to rectify this.

    Perhaps some of us should get behind Henry and apply for a membership in a form at

    http://www.seniorsparty.org/mship.html

    BTW It is FREE
    Adrianus
    28th Nov 2014
    8:32am
    Surveys indicate over half of voters have only ever voted for one party.
    Research into identical twins has revealed they are likely to vote the same 100% of the time, whether they know each other or not. Interestingly the results are not the same for non identical twins.
    I guess it points to the possibility that we may be born with a political view.
    Abby, the battlefield may have shifted to the kindergarten because only 1 in 20 of us oldies is capable of putting prejudice aside and doing what is best for our country.
    particolor
    28th Nov 2014
    8:56am
    I can put an X in the Box in 21 Different languages !!
    Adrianus
    28th Nov 2014
    9:25am
    I wasn't aware the ABC had over 200 websites? I wonder if this is one of them?
    particolor
    28th Nov 2014
    3:18pm
    There are 5 Million Stories in the Naked City !! This has been one of them !!
    pate
    16th Mar 2015
    7:34am
    Without rambling on bout wheher or not they do not like Tony Abbott it stands to reason their "jourmalism" leaves a lot to be desired so if there are t be cuts it mY BE A GOOD THING, Maybe they night bring their news up to date.
    mangomick
    16th Mar 2015
    10:36am
    Just because they don't report on the Kardashians ,which is obviously what you regard as News, doesn't mean their news is not up to date. At least the ABC and SBS does give a good News report and that's not something you can say about the Commercial channels who only seem to report on Hollywood stars and sport stars antics.
    particolor
    16th Mar 2015
    11:45am
    Yep and I cant get enough of hearing about Justin Beerber and My Kitchen Sucks !! :-)
    Adrianus
    16th Mar 2015
    10:19pm
    I think that could be the end of porky pig.


    Join YOURLifeChoices, it’s free

    • Receive our daily enewsletter
    • Enter competitions
    • Comment on articles
    you might also be interested in...

    Retirement Planning

    When retirement planning becomes life planning it is a challenging, fun and fulfilling task.

    Age pension explained

    Anne explains whether you will qualify for an Age Pension and simplifies some of the more complex scenarios you may encounter dealing with Centrelink.

    Cruising

    Got the travel bug or need a break? Take a look at our latest Seniors travel discounts and deals.

    Meal Ideas

    Be inspired by our easy meal ideas. Search through hundreds of recipes to find the perfect one for any occasion.

    Trivia

    Have some fun and keep your mind active with our Daily Crossword, Trivia, Word Search and Sudoku Games.