$7 GP co-payment on chopping block

Tony Abbott has all but walked away from his government’s $7 GP co-payment proposal.

Due to the inevitable defeat of the legislation in the Senate, Prime Minister Tony Abbott has all but walked away from his government’s $7 GP co-payment proposal. The Age is reporting that Mr Abbott has privately conceded defeat and that he has dumped the policy.

Earlier in the week, Mr Abbott spoke of the Government’s intention to clear the political barnacles clinging to the hull of the Government’s ship, by axing the $7 co-payment, which would help the Government regain some much needed momentum, moving into the New Year.

The Coalition has denied the rumours, however. “The Government's policy on the GP co-payment remains,” Senator Abetz told ABC radio this morning. A spokesman for Health Minister Peter Dutton has also dismissed the reports.

Read more at the ABC.

Read more at The Age.

Opinion: Common-sense prevails

The $7 GP co-payment policy was undoubtedly one of the Government’s most ambitious pieces of legislation to date, and it should come as no surprise to anyone that it has also been its most unpopular. Older Australians were to be the hardest hit by the co-payment, so the news that the policy has been shelved is positive for all YOURLifeChoices members.

Mr Abbott’s actions this week have shown a side that many didn’t expect; a side which is willing to concede defeat when losing a battle in order to fight another day. We also saw Mr Abbott use a trick employed by the last Government, targeting the Opposition’s current stance which has been largely negative to all suggested reforms.

“This is a Labor Party which has entirely given up ... they've got no plans, no policies, they're just a chorus of complaint,” Mr Abbott said.

While the $7 GP co-payment legislation appears to be dead in the water, expect to hear of it in the future by another name, at another time, as the Government has every intention of attaching a tax to GP visits.

What do you think? Is the Government making the right decision by cutting its losses and scrapping the co-payment policy? Will we see a similar policy reintroduced in the near future? Do you think Tony Abbott will last as leader of the Coalition to contest the next Federal Election? 





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    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    9:56am
    I hear on the Radio it has only been Shoved on the Back Burner for Next Year ??
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    3:03pm
    You are probably right particolor. With Jacqui Lambie having departed the PUP team Abbott will offer the defense forces a pay rise in exchange for her vote. This game is not yet over and from what I saw of Abbott's smug demeanor the other night I think that we will probably see the co-payment passed unless a one or two of the other Independents vote against it.
    Whilst the trolls are happy to bag Independents it is in times like this when you see the real value of Independents who are not aligned to any Party. The problem is not that there are too many but rather that there are too few in parliament.
    Kato
    27th Nov 2014
    8:54pm
    Yes the smugness is the worry. The bigger worry is we will be back. This must really mean a lot to them just to can it for awhile? what happened to the double dissolution.
    On top of that the Monster for defiance reckons we can't build subs. Real Patriot just what we need in these hard fiscal times non leader ship.
    Kato
    27th Nov 2014
    8:55pm
    No periscope no rudder we is sunk.
    Precious 1
    29th Nov 2014
    6:07pm
    well particular we will wait with bated breath now whatever else is going to transpire lolololol
    particolor
    29th Nov 2014
    6:37pm
    I can hardly wait for the Next thing to get Shoved through without asking ??
    Patriot
    27th Nov 2014
    9:59am
    Let us not forget the incident at election time though.
    The "so & sos" should never have attempted this piece of crap in the first place.
    Shows what they are really made of!
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    10:04am
    I still cant work out what it was about anyway ?
    2 Bucks for the Doc..
    5 Bucks for Research ?..
    Where's Tony's Tip ??
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    12:59pm
    "Let us not forget the incident at election time though." Let the grudging holding begin!!!
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    2:16pm
    Holding Grudges is not a Good Idea ! Have You seen the Fangs on those things ?
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    3:05pm
    KSS: I have to totally agree with that. Any government which (intentionally) lied its way into office should never be rewarded with being re-elected.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    3:15pm
    At least You put that in Writing !!
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    3:16pm
    He will have to Write His next Election Promises !! He He !!
    wally
    27th Nov 2014
    5:43pm
    Shock! Horror!! Scandal!!! To think that politicians would tell lies to get themselves elected.
    On reflection, let us not forget that it worked for Julia Gillard in 2010.
    Oars
    27th Nov 2014
    7:12pm
    Mick in that case, the labor party would never get re-elected. We'd have a house full of "independents" all "skimming the till" for their own neck of the woods. Sounds like the French Revolution- with Chinese imported guillotines on every street corner. Happy days ahead ?????
    Kato
    27th Nov 2014
    8:57pm
    Especially when they have cigars between those fangs.
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    9:08pm
    wally: Gillard - one lie. Abbott - almost everything was a lie.
    Whilst a lie is a lie is a lie the scale of the intentional deceit is what matters as well as the motivation: the transfer of huge amounts of public money to the rich and their businesses.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    9:19pm
    Those Guillotine Operators get Shocking Pay ! And they have only got one finger left on each hand !!
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    9:21pm
    PS But its free at the Doctor now after seven Visits !!
    niemakawa
    27th Nov 2014
    9:21pm
    Mick, present the paperwork to support such a claim.
    Paddles
    27th Nov 2014
    9:34pm
    niemakawa

    You beat me to that challenge.

    Mick is a broad brush painter, given to sweeping statements which, unfortunately, are not accompanied by text and verse.
    Oars
    28th Nov 2014
    8:15am
    But particoloured. Have you had THAT MANY visits lately. You must be rich or have a incurable disease or just like the Doc. Which one darls ?
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    12:57pm
    Sweep statement? Really? This government's lies are on the record. As for a broad brush painter (???) I have detailed before that The repeal of the Carbon Tax was for no good other than the benefit of the coal, oil and gas industries....who get another $8 billion each and every year, compliments of average taxpayers.
    You can verify the facts too if this is not an inconvenient fact for you. And of course lets not forget the budget 1.5% company tax decrease....which the rich will take, thank you very much.
    People are beginning to see who the trolls are on this website. I present facts. You lot present anti Labor and union tripe and then accuse others of "sweeping statements". It is what it is.
    Precious 1
    29th Nov 2014
    7:48pm
    I have an orrid feeling that if there is a change it won`t be for the better my dear old mates.....what on earth can they do with the nation in such a financial state...I think they could try putting new ideas to the people to vote although the red necks would do things to cause mischief not for the good of the people I suppose...who would want that job of PM..I think Miss J Bishop would be a better public speaker.....
    particolor
    29th Nov 2014
    8:12pm
    Bronwyn would be better !! She would throw them all out of Parliament and pass every thing without them Interfering !!
    Kato
    30th Nov 2014
    11:27pm
    You got that particolour she set a new worl record the other day. And with that little terrier Chrissie Pyne egging her on, man it was better than watching a rerun of a carry on movie.
    particolor
    1st Dec 2014
    9:17am
    Did You get the feeling that She wasn't a Big Fan of them over there ??
    Blossom
    3rd Dec 2014
    3:56pm
    OK !!! A lot of Drs. already charge more than Medicare pays 85% of.
    I am not on benefits and recently had a short consult for an eye infection. I was charged $40.00. I will get less than 50% of that back from Medicare. More people already paying gaps will go to Emergency Depts. at hospitals.
    oasis1frog
    27th Nov 2014
    10:06am
    No co-payment is stupid, same as if insurance has no excess, the only people now laughing all the way to the bank are GPs & medicos ! Medicare good in theory but is absurd when the public coffer funds the bottomless greedy private medical business.
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    11:50am
    It's long been the actual focus of this - the idea that doctors are getting too much (I can't wholly disagree there), and we all know that every time the Medicare refund went up, so did the doctor's fees.. often by a much higher amount.

    The overall idea WAS to rein in those pesky doctors and bring them to heel.

    I've argued elsewhere that if we had truly socialised medicine - which concept seems to convert this whole argument into an ideological one - doctors would be paid a fixed salary. They are not.

    As a side note - entire segments of the medical professions (note that plural) have some very good perks, which is one reason it is so costly.

    Don't agree with an excess idea, though. That merely adds to the cost for those in real need, who are already, in far too many cases, doing it too hard.
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    3:09pm
    Whilst I do not support the co-payment Grappler it is one way to get people to think about whether they really need to see their doctor. The notion of 'free' health cover ignores the fact that somebody actually pays and many Australians use doctors like a drink bubbler.
    If you think doctors in Australia are overpaid then have a close look at the US. Chalk and cheese. You should download a documentary called "Sicko" from the SBS website. An eye opener.
    Oars
    27th Nov 2014
    7:18pm
    There is some merit in reducing the incomes of these Medico parasites- who have only passed 51% of their exams- on a recount- and set up in a "dole bludge" areas where they shunt the "patients" through like sheep. Most of these "sheep" are "fleecing" the welfare already. This $7 will reduce the number of Mercedes in the car park, and overseas "symposiums" these Quacks get.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    8:11pm
    Baa !!... Bloody Hells this Curry is HOT !! Must be Madras ??
    Paddles
    27th Nov 2014
    9:38pm
    Oars

    I think that you are in urgent need of therapy to adjust your attitude and perception of your fellow man.
    Hawkeye
    27th Nov 2014
    10:46pm
    Now who would have thought OARS and PADDLES could be so different
    Oars
    28th Nov 2014
    8:05am
    Paddles see Hawkeyes' comments. You need a good RUDDER to steer through the waves of deception. Ha Ha Ha -larf or your single cylinder will clog up. I'm off fishin'
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    12:59pm
    Deception Oars? Really? Make a comment about your political party...the kings of deception.
    And as for controlling doctors this is what should be happening at government level. Instead this government decides to attack taxpayers...again.
    particolor
    28th Nov 2014
    3:23pm
    Stop off at Tony's Bait Shop !..Best bait in town !!
    Blossom
    3rd Dec 2014
    3:59pm
    I know Doctors pay exorbinantly high expenses to buy all their equipment for private practice. Not all go into large Medical Centres. It seems to me to be the Medical Centres who share equipment amongst the Drs. so need less that charge the extra.
    particolor
    3rd Dec 2014
    5:22pm
    Its Bad !! I saw a Doctor waiting for the other Doctor to finish with the Stethoscope the other day !
    bartpcb
    27th Nov 2014
    10:17am
    “This is a Labor Party which has entirely given up ... they've got no plans, no policies, they're just a chorus of complaint,” Mr Abbott said. This is from a man who with the help of a Murdoch driven media, kept up a daily dose of vitriol against a party and the leader of the nation (Ms Gillard), that actually did a brilliant job of getting this nation through a Global Financial Crisis, with minimum damage. A brilliant task acknowledge by leaders of the Western World. Truly this man Abbott is a vitriolic, backstabbing hypocritical bully that only the 'right wing' of politics would tolerate.
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    10:21am
    bartpcb: Succinctly put.
    Clee
    27th Nov 2014
    10:31am
    Well said, bartpcb. TheLabour Party has never been given enough credit for the way they handled the GFC. Australia would have been wrecked if the Liberal Party was in power at the time!
    Pass the Ductape
    27th Nov 2014
    10:51am
    bartcb.....All of this managed with the assistance of a substantial bank balance kindly left in place by the Libs - and what happened since - the country was almost sent entirely broke (once again) by successive Labour Governments, one of them being so kindly thought of in your comment....

    I prefer to give credit where it’s really due.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    11:00am
    Yes and the Substantial Bank Balance was left there as usual by Robbing the Poor and Pensioners (CPI) !! I remember once waiting 6 Months for a $1.83 Increase in the Pension ?? Thanks Mr Howard !!.. I bought 3 Stamps with it !!
    Hasbeen
    27th Nov 2014
    11:28am
    Well the entitlement handout mentality is alive & well in these.

    We will deserve what we end up with, nothing, for being so greedy.

    This site has been an education. I had no idea there were so many greedy fools in the country.
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    11:30am
    Ductape: You know its not entirely that clear cut.
    World-wide it is acknowledged that Labor managed the GFC better than any other country of equivalent stature. The Liberals are brilliant with rhetoric and Abbott one of the best. You only have to look at the disgusting diatribe he applied to Gillard for the three years she ruled, all because she was a much better negotiator to gain the numbers to form a government. Even at that time the Independents didn't trust Abbott. He's never got over it. Look at the legislation that was passed during her tenure, if it had been so disastrous why did the Senate pass so much of it. A majority of what was passed was funded and within budget. Its not easy to govern in a "minority" government situation, she deserves a lot more credit than she received. In fact Rudd was more the problem than her. This government has removed the "budget limits" and since then have practically doubled the deficit. I note we still have a triple A rating from all three rating monitors, so it looks as if we are still doing well.
    It is widely acknowledged these days that we don't have a spending problem, but we do have a big fat revenue problem. If this government and other governments of different thinking, addressed certain areas that are definitely distasteful to their fundamental thinking, i.e. corporate Australia, banks, multi-nationals, miners etc. we would all benefit. Instead we have a government that we don't trust, a government that's first budget is so unfair to the most vulnerable in our community, and a community that agrees the cuts etc. are all tilting towards the most vulnerable. It shows how Alan Jones perceives the mood when he indicates that Tony Abbott doesn't pass the PUB TEST!
    Again, Mathias Cormann is "fluffing" his feathers with the success of the Medicare sell-off and indicating that the returns will be much bigger than anticipated and he's already saying what it will be spent on! How about not spending it on anything and putting it towards the deficit?

    If things are really that bad, why doesn't the Coalition dissolve Parliament and go for a double dissolution?
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    11:41am
    has been.. I'm not Greedy ! I would have preferred nothing than Be Insulted !!
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    11:58am
    Hasbeen : 1: How is paying out $7 co-payment a "hand-out"?
    2: Yes we will end up with nothing, but not for being greedy.
    3. Do you think people on the full age pension whose income and assets have been fully assessed by CentreLink are "greedy". Me thinks the "greedy fools" are those in the category of corporate Australia; banks; multi-nationals; miners; newspaper moguls who influence the political will to suit themselves etc. etc.
    Governments would not have the need to tilt the balance of their budgets so UNFAIRLY towards the MOST VULNERABLE, if they got down to brass tacks and squeezed a few million dollars from the wealthiest. Even the attempt to introduce the PPL is a slight on the population that needs it more - and a gift to those who need it less.
    And with all this unfairness I hope the people on full age pensions with no other assets other than their family home (if they have one) remember to vote with their greedy pockets against the "reduction" in their pension increases which come into effect at the time of the next election.
    Wstaton
    27th Nov 2014
    12:08pm
    Yes the LNP did leave a surplus but what is forgotten is that they also left labor with a huge revenue problem by giving away heaps in order to try and keep in government. This revenue problem was when labor took over just before the GFC is as much to blame as anything leaving to a deficit.

    Now it has come to bite the LNP as now they have a revenue problem as most of the economists are saying. "It is not a spending problem it is a revenue problem"
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    12:37pm
    Wstaton: Yes, well put. After I posted the above I realised I should have also said what you have just said. But, as usual, I suppose I said too much anyway. HaHa.
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    1:23pm
    Hasbeen - get your lines right. it goes:-

    "The handout entitlement mentality is strong in these ones! Help them can I not!"
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    3:13pm
    Labor has its issues. Boat people and their immigration lawyers was one such issue and Labor needs to cut this cancer if it wants to get people back on board. The other issue is that Bill Shorten is too timid...although having said that he has shown a bit of fire of late.
    As I keep saying....if you want change and good government then throw a whole pile of Independents into the mix who have no affiliations to vested interests. And perhaps make sure that their preference does not go to this government.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    3:20pm
    That's the Catch Mick ! Some People don't look where the Critter is Aligned ??
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    6:46pm
    Very well put, Hasbeen.
    Why do some think that they are continually owed something?
    While others like playing the victim.
    You'd think that we'd be grateful for the good life-style we enjoy,
    instead of complaining over $7.
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    7:03pm
    mitzy - you seemed to have got it out of context, -
    Hasbeen didn't say the $7 was a handout, at all.

    Obviously, in this case, the "entitlement hand-out mentality"
    means - even if there's a likelihood of losing medicare, you don't want to
    sacrifice $7 per visit to keep it going.
    Like Labor's way of thinking - just keep borrowing & paying massive amounts of interest to fix something, because you're entiitled to have it fixed,
    without doing a thing !
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    9:11pm
    miss aisle: or is it 'Frank' today? I thought that you may have been banned from posting. It was nice to see genuine discussion without your paid propaganda.
    Paddles
    27th Nov 2014
    9:49pm
    Mick

    " throw a whole pile of Independents into the mix who have no affiliations to vested interests. And perhaps make sure that their preference does not go to this government."

    Mate what do you know or understand about tautology?

    Explain please just how one makes sure of the vote of an "Independent"?
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    10:06pm
    mick - You've got to stop writing what your bosses tell you to.
    We know you're getting a good deal from commenting on all your lies.
    Now, how about coming clean, it's definitely time mick. Stop trolling!
    Oars
    28th Nov 2014
    8:22am
    I am amazed at how someone can on one hand congratulate Labor for THEIR input during the GFC, whereas it was the terrible High end of town MINING COMPANIES that pulled us through. The rhetoric shoe does not fit. And now the Liberals are in power, and MINING companies are suffering due to overseas market drop-off. So are the Liberals to blame for the lack of Mining Company income ????? Please direct me to your book of logic- if you have one.
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    1:04pm
    Oars: unlike you I am not a troll and I call it like it is. I do not support Labor and am happy to point out their failings. YOU never do the same with your dishonest low life government.
    So now you blame the fall in prices as some sort of panacea for this government to do as it likes. Next you'll be inviting them to destroy the Great Barrier Reef. Oh I forgot. That one is already under way.
    Miss aisle (really Frank): funny how you turn around exactly what you and your alter egos are up to. A pity the Administrator does not stop your trolling so that genuine posters can have a discussion.
    MITZY
    29th Nov 2014
    9:28am
    miss aisle - with so many scare tactics and lies abounding, how do we know Medicare is really in dire straights.
    Wstaton
    29th Nov 2014
    10:40am
    Apart from this MITZY and all, It seems that this co-payment is expected to save medicare. How does it do this if it is supposed to be going into a research fund (plus give doctors a $2 pay rise per visitor). Or is this just another lie hoping that this would soften the blow but will end up going into general revenue.
    particolor
    29th Nov 2014
    1:51pm
    Got it one Ay ? Go to the Top of the Class !!
    miss aisle
    29th Nov 2014
    11:30pm
    mitzy - no scare tactics or lies are needed to know medicare is having serious problems.
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    10:20am
    In Tony Abbott's words, if its not scripted etc...............
    Just like all those other "spoken words" No cuts to this .... No cuts to that ....
    It is all meaningless unless scripted.
    Thanks to the many "thinking voters" who cast a different vote for the Upper and Lower Houses, long may it reign, because whoever is in office can't be entirely trusted and these "Pillars of Power Politicians" need to be held to account.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    10:31am
    Born to Rule !!
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    3:15pm
    Or as Malcolm Turnbull said on Q&A last time "Tony Abbott did not mean that there would be no cuts to the ABC when he said there would be no cuts....and Joe Hockey and I had already made the decision that there would be cuts".
    Derrrr????? This does not fill me with a sense of comfort but it sort of fits with everything else which has happened and come out since the last election.
    Oars
    28th Nov 2014
    8:07am
    Has anyone considered how often the average family actually uses a quack ? Why not spend the money and time getting/keeping fit and eating the right grub , instead of trotting off to get a pill.
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    1:05pm
    I'll even agree with a troll on that one Oars.
    MITZY
    28th Nov 2014
    1:59pm
    Mick: I heard that on Q&A too. Tony Abbott lies originally, and then gets Malcolm Turnbull and Joe Hockey to help cover his lie with a lie of their own. I forgot the The Liberals don't lie they just break promises, it sounds better, doesn't it.
    How low can they get?
    particolor
    28th Nov 2014
    3:41pm
    Well they will have to go lower than 5 and 7/8ths of an Inch to get the World Record !! .. Lowest Limbo ever !!
    Bella
    27th Nov 2014
    10:31am
    Hate the change all the time, if it's $7 it's seven dollars, it cuts out at $70 I think it would deter people from abusing the medical system a little. A not should stick to it.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    10:52am
    Will I get a Discount if I pay the 70 Bucks up front !!
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    10:59am
    Bella: Things are never quite as they seem. The head of the AMA on 2GB a few months ago was not in favour of it and put his angle on how it would work.
    He said privately billed GP patients will have their REBATE cut by $5 in relation to GP visits/pathology, etc. and thus face an increase in out-of-pocket expenses.

    He also said: For concession card holders and children under 16 the co-payment will be limited to 10 visits per year. However:
    (NB: Only those visits where the $7 co-payment is applied count towards this threshold. Those visits where NO co-payment is charged, or a SMALLER/LARGER co-payment is applied, don't count towards this threshold.

    So, if this co-payment raises its ugly head in the New Year and is put through by "regulation" thus avoiding the Senate rejection of it, it is currently expected to take effect at 1 July 2015.

    Never an "untruer" "Trust" word was spoken when a certain politician said YOU CAN TRUST ME.
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    11:58am
    Mitzy - you've hit upon the nub of a matter I've long argued.... that all actions of governmental control, being as they are well within the legal sphere, must perforce be bound by the rule of Law. That includes legislation, law, Law (ask me the difference some time) and regulation.

    In this case - though I have yet to consider the legal merits of 'regulating' a rise or this 'co-payment' - there is and always will be doubt about ANY government move the does an end run around the democratic process to gain its ends.

    That is NOT government - that is dictatorship, as occurred with various kinds of socially oppressive legislation set in place here - when the move to remove firearms from the community was defeated at an election - the next government introduced 'domestic violence' (non) laws with a zero standard of proof and then proceeded to steal legitimately owned firearms by regulation - NOT by Law by inciting a near riot in applications for these 'orders' based on zero evidence!!

    Hitler/Stalin would have been proud.

    A clear example of an end run around democracy and the will of the people.
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    12:00pm
    ... and a more than clear reason for the people to remove that government.

    There endeth the lesson.
    PlanB
    27th Nov 2014
    12:03pm
    Yes Grappler, Taking the guns of everyone worked for Hitler/Stalin

    Thats why they wanted the guns off us too and the USA wants it too --don't like their chances though
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    12:09pm
    Mitzy perhaps you are not aware but the AMA represents a very small number of GPs; most having left them long ago as they were not happy with the way AMA operates. Also the AMA went to the Government with their own co-payment plan that was kept secret even from their members they are meant to represent. As it happens their own co-payment plan was knocked back.

    So please, don't think for one minute that the President of the AMA was looking out for anyone.

    He was correct on one point and that was that the GP would get $5 less from Medicare and keep the extra $2. This on top of Medicare freezing GP payments several times over the last 5 years or so.
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    12:17pm
    Plan B - they succeeded in driving the arms trade underground. I've been approached - and refused - connection with people who own illegal firearms and explosives...... I have no need for such things - the pen is mightier than the C.4, and I am totally aware of the level of surveillance we currently accept without knowing it - and always advocate change at the ballot box.
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    1:22pm
    KSS: Gee Whiz, your nit-picking a bit here aren't you.? The AMA President was commenting on 2GB (this was in May after the budget) his thoughts on the co-payment proposed in the 2014 May budget. I am aware they had their own proposal later which was rejected. Therefore if today Abbott/Dutton etc. have not dead, buried or cremated it and it is being touted in the Press/Radio etc as being on the "backburner" for "regulation" consideration at a future date i.e. before the intended previous introduction of it on 1/7/15 its still a lousy Bill. It will hurt pensioners and low income earners who spend the fixed income they receive as they have no other means of support, but the rest of the population earning pretty decent salaries won't even notice it.
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    1:43pm
    Gee Mitzy you accuse me of nitpicking, yet you carefully select segments of a broadcast some 6 months old and trot it out to comment on something that hasn't happened (and may well not) whilst holding the speaker up as some saving knight for pensioners.

    I simply pointed out that the AMA is no saviour of the poor nor for that matter the GP given how the AMA went behind their backs to the Government and very few GPs are members.
    Oars
    28th Nov 2014
    8:27am
    Mitzi- I think you made your points wel. Do I understand that you get the first visit without $7 then they charge you after that. I don't know cos I keep fit and eat proper food- not junk. At 76 yeras old I am an example of forward thinking and action from way back. It looks like I am paying for those who chose to neglect themselves, like the dole bludgers who don't want to get work... and so on. Oh well, I will probably help another winger have their "cotton wool" response.
    MITZY
    28th Nov 2014
    2:49pm
    Oars: It's Mitzy (with a Z):
    I don't really know which of my comments you are referring to so its hard to answer your query. I only know I said nothing about a $7 first visit charge and nothing after that. I'm a couple of years younger than you (74) and apart from this past twelve months when I had an accident in the garden from a treated pine log scratch, I have hardly been to a doctor all of my life. This accident resulted in over three months of treatment by the nurse at the doctor's surgery, tentanus injection, antibiotics (the first lot I have ever taken) and the nurse cleaning, picking the scabs out of the wound so it would heal from the inside instead of the outside to avoid an ulcer, twice a week for those three months. I can tell you I couldn't put my foot to the ground for the first month and the whole leg was swollen to double its size. Otherwise I have been healthy from birth, can't catch a cold if I try, haven't even had measles/chicken pox/mumps etc. all the childhood stuff. My good eating habits are the result of my good health. What you eat today, walks and talks tomorrow'; if you're green inside, you're clean inside, etc. etc. "Most" people with ill health is often attributable to diet; another saying: You Dig Your Grave with your Knife & Fork.
    So, Oars: I worked doing office work all my working career paying whatever tax was necessary on my salary. No way of reducing it, no fancy family trusts, etc. I paid Medicare levy from its inception until I retired.
    I have never begrudged paying any of it, I know it has helped to assist others less fortunate than myself. God help us all if we start thinking like you and begrude paying for the less fortunate, they aren't all dole bludgers as you well know. What I paid during a life-time of working, helped provide for the generation before me. What the taxpayer pays today (i.e. the genuine taxpayer) goes towards us, if we need it.
    Most of the comments I make on a variety of different subjects are not about myself or the state of my finances. I am generalising and trying to indicate to a lot of people who post their comments here the UNFAIRNESS of a lot of the items in this first Coalition budget. And, I might add, Mr. Hockey is telling us their is more of that to come.
    I am not wealthy, I manage and budget and watch my finances. I don't have to worry about paying my bills. I've never wasted money frivolously.
    What I do object to more than anything is the UNFAIRNESS factor, it's tilted way to far to the low income sector, pensioner, unemployed, etc.
    Another poster somewhere here (and I'm not prepared to go looking for the comment at this stage) indicated how great the mining companies were and they kept us going during the GFC, and denigrated the government of the day for its efforts. The mining companies do employ a lot of people (some from foreign parts at cheaper rates too) but by the time they diddle the books and deduct their outgoings etc. they pay little or no tax. Once the mining tax was watered down, they paid little tax again. Then the little bit they did pay this government abolished it. They then cry poor mouth and tell us what dire straights we are in and proceed to take away moneys or charge more moneys from the people who cannot afford to live on much less, while the ones who can, go on living their lifestyles "legally" robbing the country of much needed revenue.
    It's time that "everybody" paid their fair share and we wouldn't be needing to charge co-payments and reduce the value of the increases to the aged pension into the unknown future.
    Wstaton
    28th Nov 2014
    3:12pm
    And well said MITZY.
    PlanB
    27th Nov 2014
    10:36am
    Don't worry tricky dicky Abbott will find a way he is a despicable Fascist mongrel
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    10:50am
    Mousehole lini would be proud of Him You Think ??
    tia-maria
    27th Nov 2014
    3:19pm
    PlanB He sure will mate....................tricky sneaky dicky Abbott will be at it again soon with good old sneaky Joe?
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    3:23pm
    Biggy Rat and Itchy Brother strike again !! He He !!
    Paddles
    27th Nov 2014
    9:57pm
    Within this segment is an indictment of the mental capacity and even mindedness of posters.......
    PlanB
    particolour
    tia-maria

    I know that they are regular participants in this forum but I draw the line at referring to them as "contributors".
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    10:17pm
    I'm here to stop the Competitors from Tearing each others Throats Out !!.
    Oars
    28th Nov 2014
    8:10am
    Someone here is hard driven to place us all in a nuthouse like her/him/it. Try a new magazine- one that has humor. That may save them from a fate worse than death- aged care homes.
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    1:08pm
    So now the blatant government paid trolls attack others who understand that Abbott and his front bench are low life of the worst kind.
    ADMINISTRATOR: please remove these posters from your website lest people stop posting altogether.
    particolor
    28th Nov 2014
    3:54pm
    And become Enlightened !!
    Pass the Ductape
    27th Nov 2014
    11:02am
    Personally, I have no love for Abbott, but someone in this country needs to get it back in the black again after the disastrous effort of the Gillard Labour Government.

    Unfortunately common sense is being thrown out of the window and Abbott is being stymied at nearly every turn by a bunch of turkeys who seem to think they know it all, but really have no idea about anything.

    As far as the co-payment is concerned - yes, it is one way to help get things back into perspective, however for my money, aged pensioners should be exempt as they can ill afford any kind of co-payment - and it’s these people who are likely to attend a doctor more times per year than any other person.

    At the very least, an aged pensioner over 75 and still driving, will have to attend a doctor once a year just to get a certificate to prove they are still capable of doing so ($7 please) and this, added to the cost of attending a doctor for other medical issues such as prescriptions only, (minimum say $7 x 2 = $14 please) all this on top of normal examinations, must be added to their cost of living, (say minimum six times a year @ $7 x 6 = $42 please).
    Bring the co-payment in, but providing relief for pensioners will make the deal a lot more palatable.
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    12:04pm
    Explain why it needs to be back in the black. then explain to us all how a miserly attack on the poorest in the land while allowing the robber barons free rein is going to achieve that.

    I await your supported response with (un) bated breath.

    There are more genuine policies that need to be brought in. No extra costs for social security beneficiaries (sic) - that includes zero bank fees, no government fees for applications etc (no user pays) for those poorest in the land, and no negotiation of zero fees for the fat cats.

    Do you have a single idea how difficult it is for a poor person to, for example, defend a court case and appeal a wrongful finding (nothing uncommon) when such a thing as a transcript of the original proceeding can cost over $1000?

    What price justice in this benighted country?
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    12:17pm
    Ductape your calculations fall short of the $70 payment that was to have been paid to pensioners to cover the $70 capped expenditure. Therefore under your example the pensioner would have been better off by $38.

    I also question the wisdom of spending whatever available funds one may have on a car and the running costs at the expense of one's health. Surely if money is that tight, at 75+ health is more important than a car, regardless of how inconvenient it may be without it.
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    12:34pm
    Ductape: I agree with most of what you say here, however statistics show that since Parliament began and budgets were brought down there have been heaps more deficits than surpluses. I will have to go search it again to give you the exact figures, but my memory tells me what I have written is correct.

    However, those "bunch of turkeys" gobbling up everything have a case in point.
    This $7 co-payment is not going to address the "budget deficit" or help to bring it into the black, as you suggest, $2 goes to the doctor for administering it and $5 goes to the "not set up as yet" Medical Research Fund. By the time it is set up, and the fat cats administer the proceeds, undoubtedly it will be like a lot of other plans, the $5 will be dwindled down to probably more than half of its value. The doctor with his $2 admin fee added to the fee he already gets for bulk billing so many pensioners will benefit more.
    And, I'm not one of them. Unfortunately there are no bulk billers (except one who attends to the junkies and has a queue a mile long with no appointments given) in my country town, I pay currently $61.00 upfront, receive $37.05 from Medicare to my bank account and therefore I'm out of pocket by $23.95 currently. Thankfully I don't go to doctors too often. If this Health Bill eventually comes in through the back door, it will take effect from 1/7/2015. I will have my Medicare rebate reduced by $7 to $30.05 ($5 to the MRF $2 to the Dr.) based on my current doctor's fees therefore making me $30.95 out of pocket. There would also be a 2 year freeze applied to Medicare rebates rising. As my health has been in good order all my life and if it continues likewise, I feel I am disadvantaged somewhat especially as I have paid the Medicare levy from my salary and wages since its inception and hardly made a claim!
    Aged pensioners on the full age pension who have been fully tested on their assets and liabilities by Centrelink and have limited cash funds should be exempted, as you suggest.
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    3:26pm
    Ductape: I think that you have to stand back and have a better look and another think about what happened after Labor hit office.
    First the GFC hit. Isn't it funny how Labor got a go in the bad times!
    Second the government had to make a choice between throwing maybe a million plus people out of work with many losing their homes and families breaking up. Not a good outcome for social harmony.
    The issue I have with Tony Abbott and the front bench of this government generally is that they appear to be a bunch of crooks. Having lied their way in they are now sending absolutely colossal amounts of money to the big end of town ($8 billion a year to coal, oil and gas + company tax cuts) whilst the rest of us are plundered. And add to that the removal of the debt ceiling and the fact that the national debt is NOT BEING REPAID and that there is no intention to repay it, and you have a group of elected representatives who need to be cut out before they inflict further long term damage on this country...and all our children and theirs.
    I am not saying that Labor is wonderful Ductape. What I am saying is that this government is so contemptible and dishonest that it has to go. WHilst you may not agree I think that it is high tome Australians ignored the political advertising and did was is uncomfortable to them: vote in a whole pile of Independents and see how it goes. Lets face it things could not be worse than they have been and even if you voted in Billy the Blacksmith he'd be advised by highly skilled public servants.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    3:34pm
    Speaking of Billy the Blacksmith, I see they are Making the Pollies take a Breath test now on the Breathalyzer ?? I wonder what bought that on ?? I thought it was normal to carry on like they do ?
    Kato
    27th Nov 2014
    8:45pm
    Yes well the barpersons at Parliament Hase may have reason to be worried ' darn I forgot the fat cats get limo's every where don't they.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    8:55pm
    Yes ?? You can Rule Driving out as the Cause of the Big Blow !!.
    Sheilab
    27th Nov 2014
    11:08am
    Living in my rural area, the pensioners have the privilege of a discount on doctors fees, but still have to pay $20 above the scheduled fee and still have to pay up front to get that discount - with an extra $10 if you don't pay upfront.

    By the way, why has there been no mention of the Optician's co-payment of $20 that is going to brought in on January 1 ?

    I wonder if everyone knows that if the GP bulkbills he/she receives an extra $8 (at least) on top the bulkbilled money for doing so?
    PlanB
    27th Nov 2014
    11:34am
    Well the opticians fee was NOT mentioned --I wonder what else hasn't been ! ?

    Thanks Sheilab
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    11:39am
    Sheilab: I raised this point about the Opticians being allowed to make charges for eye check-ups and other tests they do several times, but nobody responded to my queries. Maybe it will not happen either as it could be included under the same health bill as the $7 co-payment for GP's pathology etc. and the raising of what people pay for prescriptions?
    DavidB
    27th Nov 2014
    12:08pm
    "I wonder if everyone knows that if the GP bulkbills he/she receives an extra $8 (at least) on top the bulkbilled money for doing so? "
    If that is true, and I don't doubt your word at all, then that makes a lot of sense. I have been wondering why over 80% of visits to GPs in Oz are bulk billed. I have only been bulk billed twice in my life; I usually get a $25 or so slug, and I have never complained.
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    12:51pm
    "I wonder if everyone knows that if the GP bulkbills he/she receives an extra $8 (at least) on top the bulkbilled money for doing so?"

    Well not quite Sheilab. Medicare pays the GP for providing their services. There are scheduled fees laid down for each service and these are identified by a number. The GP submits to medicare a list of these services and the appropriate medicare number and is paid accordingly. In a bulk billing situation, the GP is paid only according to his submission. To make his salary, he must therefore either see more patients in the same timeframe or provide more services to the same patients. Enter the 'frequent flyer patient'. However, a private GP effectively can charge what he likes (or what he thinks his local market can stand). The patient receives the standard medicare rebate and thus is out of pocket. The GP makes his salary.

    One more thing. Other than GPs in a large bulk-billing practice, GPs are essentially running small businesses. They have to pay their staff (receptionist, nurse etc), their offices (the building - mortgage/rent, electricity, stationery, heating, rates, water etc, etc) just like any other business. It just takes them well over 10 years study to be a GP and they have to continue to study even after qualifying, to retain their registration.

    GPs must be allowed to make a living, like anyone else. Its one of the reasons more and more GPs are choosing not to bulk-bill.
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    1:51pm
    KSS: I recently read that GP's in regional/country areas receive a higher fee because not many of them want to practise in those areas. It is an incentive for them to move to the country.
    I agree they do have all those costs like other businesses, but these days you hardly come across a doctor with a nurse/secretary practising on his/her own.
    They are nearly all in Medical Centres. There are six doctors in the Centre I attend, two nurses, two receptionists and these four ladies alternate with each other to go to lunch/tea breaks. These six doctors share all those costs and they also provide rooms for visiting specialists who partake of the existing staff for assistance. Parked underneath or around this Centre are some pretty expensive motor vehicles owned by them. I don't think the seat is out of their pants. Most doctors deserve what they earn, as treating and diagnosing their patients is a responsibility not to be taken lightly. However, their studies to become doctors appear to be in a lot of cases their future earning capacity. Gone are the days of your GP being your "family friend" explaining outcomes etc. Ongoing studies are tax deductible, costs of running practices, tax deductible, cars and running them, tax deductible.
    Yes, GPs must be allowed to make a living, just like anyone else, but don't kid yourself that because they choose not to bulk-bill it is entirely just to make a living, the bulk-billing doctors still drive around in the Mercs.


    A lot of other businesses have to pay those costs too but sometimes they don't receive their "cash" for their services so readily as a GP/Specialist etc. We pay up front with every doctor's visit.
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    2:23pm
    No Mitzy, the GPs in rural places do NOT get higher medicare rebates. They receive a cash incentive not linked to medicare payments. This has just been reviewed and the boundaries that constitute a rural/regional setting are being looked at. This is to stop GPs going to places like Cairns and other well developed and serviced centres and getting the cash incentive rather than going to places in real need of GPs.

    You only have to read comments from people on this site to know that there are many areas with NO bulk-billing GPs at all. I live in one of them in the middle of Sydney! You are lucky to have 6 in a single surgery.

    And if the GP employs a nurse, how much are you willing to pay that nurse? The same as a retail shop assistant? Should the GP be paid the same as your car mechanic? Both hold you life in their hands. What about the plumber you call in when your washing machine overflows? He earns as much as the GP these days and after a TAFE course not over 10 years of and continuing study. Is that OK too?

    And yes ALL businesses have the same or similar overheads but most don't spend so long in study nor do they have to be on call 24/7 as they are away from major centres where they may well be the only GP service for 100s of kilometres, few if any holidays or even weekend breaks and most now close to if not beyond retirement age. The cash incentive was/is meant to bring more doctors to the bush and although I grant there have been some rorters, even the cash incentives have not lived up to their promise.
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    5:42pm
    Well said, KSS
    wally
    27th Nov 2014
    5:57pm
    Our friends at the Your Life Choices would be doing our good selves a service if they told us which General Practitioners only charge at the bulk billing rate and where we could find them. They seem to be a dying breed, which will make all of the to= ing and fro- ing irrelevant, eventually.
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    9:16pm
    KSS: you sound like you understand this. I understood that doctors did not want to go west (even the western suburbs of Sydney) because they did not like the lifestyle. You often hear about country towns with one very old doctor trying to retire. If this is the case then might it not be pertinent to offer a bit of extra cash to get a young doctor into that community?
    As I said I am not in the loop on this one and am happy to be educated.
    MITZY
    28th Nov 2014
    3:14pm
    KSS: I didn't say higher medicare rebates, I said a higher fee. You must have noted from other comments I made elsewhere that my GP does not bulk-bill, neither do the other five doctors in the medical centre. There are two medical centres in the region I live in the other one is about the same size. Again no bulk billing. Then there is the one single practice who does bulk billing looking after the junkies.
    If I was desperate to be bulk billed I could drive 30 kms either North or South of where I live to try and get into one of the medical centres that do bulk bill. Hardly worth the effort with the cost of petrol.
    When I had the injury to my leg 12 months ago, I paid to see the doctor as usual, however the twice a week visits to the nurse for treatment on the wound were bulk-billed to Medicare, so I had no charges. As this was the first experience in my whole life-time of visiting the doctor and then the nurse taking care of everything thereafter, I was amazed that I didn't have to pay for her services. I would have been willing to do so, anything to get rid of the pain I was in.

    I still say regarding your last two paragraphs that the doctors are provided for very well, through the system and through their own charging. They are not doctoring out of the goodness of their hearts, it is a business they are running, as you said yourself. As far as I know, I've never seen a doctor go broke? I'm sure they will be very well provided for in retirement.

    27th Nov 2014
    12:13pm
    I feel that everyone misses a salient point here.

    Raising an extra payment on poor people's doctor's visits will do not one thing for revenue, for the simple reason that those people contribute already 100% of their income back into the economy - where it is swept up in taxes - i.e. is returned to the government tout de suite - with the only Black Holes being where companies and corporations garner enough out of the stash to put it away in such things as private jets bought overseas, holidays and homes in Acapulco etc, offshore holdings, tax dodges and so forth - NONE of which return any tax into the public coffers of Australia.

    THAT is how and why grabbing from the pensioners and unemployed etc is simply handing more cash opportunity to those ripping the system off - and why such moves by any government are always one and the same - shifting income from the poorest in the land - i.e. gross exploitation - to the richest in the land.

    The undeniable fact that our politicians, by and large, are looking with avaricious eyes at the total love of his people of - say - the Chinese President(s) - who (the previous one) managed through his fraternal love of the people to garner $200 BILLION family net worth from that economy through wheeling and dealing and using the instruments of the state for self-enrichment. same with the current 'president' - a mere pauper at ONLY $40BILLION.

    Our politicians see this and say :- "Oh - we deserve the same!"

    THAT, Poppets - is why we desperately need to overturn our current FORM of government NOW - before your great-grandchildren are begging in the streets or selling themselves in the street trades.

    Alternatives? Each is fraught with peril - but something needs to be done NOW.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    1:21pm
    I think My GP Holidays in India ??
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    1:35pm
    As long as he doesn't do aid work in Iraq or Syria.... but still - the point remains - discretionary income often floats off overseas.. those without discretionary income pay their money back into the coffers daily, and are thus one mainstay of our economy and need to be nurtured - not de-knackered.
    HOLA
    27th Nov 2014
    1:48pm
    Yes Particolor, mine does as well and the Irish priest in the local church gets a holiday every year back in Ireland, all expenses paid. Somehow I feel we are having the wool pulled over our eyes. I haven't had a decent holiday in years. When I go the the local shopping centre there are always tables from different charities wanting your money. I had two phone calls last week from the Epilepsy and the Autism Association wanting donations. When I said I could donate $5.00 they said $10.00 was the normal sum or for a lesser sum I would have to give them my credit details. What a nerve.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    2:03pm
    I don't like saying it but when I get them calls now that aren't as many as I used to get ! I just them I'm very sorry but I'm an Old Age Pensioner and that's the end of it !!.
    And one the other day was charity Raffle tickets ! Minimum amount a 50 Dollar book ? "I wont be having any thank You !!" CLUNK !!
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    2:06pm
    PS.. But yours might not have even been a Charity ? Don't ever give Your Credit Card Details to any Bozo over the Phone !! OK ?...
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    3:39pm
    You are making the case of the rich wanting it all Grappler. We see this in many places in the world.
    In the US voting is optional so the apathetic don't vote. These are the poorest of the poor. As a result the top 1% own 90% of the countries wealth and own governments.
    There are plenty of countries where the heads of state are billionaires, having often come from nothing. That tells a story too.
    The way to get a fairer deal for average Australians is for voters to take ownership of their own dilemma and stop voting in those who will plunder them. The current government is perhaps the worst example of a marauding government I have seen in over half a century (am I really that old???). So lets start with getting rid of this cancer and doing something other than voting for Labor, Liberal or toxic Greens. There are options and we all need to go out of our comfort zone to make a change. I offer the age old adage: "If it ain't broke then don't fix it" and "people wonder why they keep doing the same thing and the outcomes never change".
    wally
    27th Nov 2014
    6:13pm
    Some of us go through life making mistakes and then compound the problem by repeating the same mistake. Then to top that, they keep asking themselves what has gone wrong, and why. Donkey voters in the Blue Ribbon Liberal seats and the Labor Red Ribbon seats are examples. People who drink excessively, smoke, develop addictions to drugs or even habitual over eat are also in this situation.
    The trick is to get these people to recognize that a problem exists, change and not backslide into their old habits, both mental and physical. And it ain't as easy to bring off as we might like. But then it isn't a perfect world, either.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    7:49pm
    Your new name is General Izer......
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    9:22pm
    wally: my point is that the nation has to try something new rather than keep doing the Woollies and Coles thing. Whether this is the right medicine or not will become evident within 2 terms. I stop short of betting my house that both sides of politics will change in a real hurry if voters start voting them out. The best thing that could happen.
    Wstaton
    27th Nov 2014
    12:13pm
    The problem I have apart than bypassing the democratic process (which once again the LNP is looking at) is that the LNP is saying that this $7 co-payment is to bring medicare spending in control. Hold on! Isn't this co-payment going into a research fund. How is that bringing medicare spending in control?

    Just heard on the radio while typing this by some minister. "This is to bring medicare spending under control" Why hasn't the media picked up on this.
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    12:28pm
    By introducing a co-payment the thinking was that those who make frequent frivolous visits to GPs would be deterred. This would mean fewer claims by GP for medicare payments and therefore less expenditure. For those paying the co-payment, medicare would rebate the GP $5 less (because they charged the patient that amount) and the GP would keep the $2 difference to cover the admin costs. GP = revenue neutral, medicare donates the $5 non payment to research and still saves money on the GP visits that never happened.
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    1:18pm
    If that were the case -why was it not mooted as - AFTER a certain number of visits you pay a co-payment?

    Pretty poor used car salesmanship there - try to get everyone on board first, then say - oh - but we really only wanted to get the habitual over-users.. so we'll change the rules...

    That approach is 'get away with what you can.. if that fails - move to the real original position'.

    Waste of time, energy, trust and a hell of a stress on those doing it hard.
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    1:47pm
    Unlike others on this site, I do not pretend to know why the Government chose one course of action over another. I am just explaining the course they took.
    Wstaton
    27th Nov 2014
    1:51pm
    Actually grappler you have a point there. Even the banks use this concept. You get xx free transactions then you start paying. Looks as if the Libs don't even learn from their mates.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    2:17pm
    Or buy one get one FREE ?
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    4:14pm
    I have to agree with KSS. Australians have to stop going to the doctor for a sniffle and the like. But I do like Grappler's idea. The only question is that one size never fits all and those who are left out and have to pay a few dollars will be unhappy.
    wally
    27th Nov 2014
    6:30pm
    Unless I am mistaken, the $7 co payment ceases after being paid ten times ($70 per year) So what does $70 buy these days? How many Big Macs, packets of smokes, beers, or hours on the poker machines does $70 buy, anyway?
    How much money have we saved now since the Carbon Tax was ended through cheaper electricity costs? Would that be more or less than $70 per person in the household?
    So what do we want? Will it be Labor and a re instated Carbon Tax with more expensive electricity? Will it be the Coalition with a $70 (maximum) per person in co =contribution payments?
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    8:39pm
    I don't know how anyone has time tome on here with all the Big Macks, Smokes and Beers to be Drank ! And then a Session on the Pocker Machines !! Poor Buggers must be Exhausted and Broke Wally ??
    niemakawa
    27th Nov 2014
    8:44pm
    Wally it's a lay down misere. LNP have the better credentials, only those that do not care about this Country's future would think otherwise.
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    9:25pm
    so who is your other identity niemakawa? Solomon, Frank or miss aisle? You are trotting out the same propaganda so I can only assume you are the same person.
    Your post is the same old tired garbage which your team keeps posting. Don't waste your time.
    niemakawa
    27th Nov 2014
    9:30pm
    Mick, Garbage to you maybe, but that is understandable given your lack of in-depth knowledge in your comments. I am a one person band and do not need aliases. No I never waste my time for good causes.
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    10:09pm
    mick - If you're not careful, I'll reveal who you are trolling for!
    So, watch out !
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    10:21pm
    And here was Me Thinking He was only Trolling for Prawns ??
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    1:11pm
    You are a laughing stock Frank/miss aisle...and whoever else you are.
    The ADMINISTRATOR needs to read the comments for some of the posters and remove them from this website. I mean is this a Liberal Party propaganda site? I am sick and tired of defending the actions of a party (Labor) I do not even support and would prefer to debate the real issues...not the lying trolls who are here as paid employees.
    MITZY
    28th Nov 2014
    3:25pm
    mick: just under niemakawa and/or miss aisle and/or anybody else in faint writing it says "report". By clicking on this word you can do exactly that. If you get abused its so simple to just "report". If you wish to report, and a comment is deleted, naturally your own comment is also deleted. Have a go, it does work!
    Mike
    27th Nov 2014
    12:16pm
    Mr Hockey wants pensioners to shoulder the burden of getting the budget back to surplus, yet he himself has no qualms about gouging taxpayers money into his own pockets. How many people know that every day parliament sits Mr Hockey claims $227 per night travelling allowance and then drives around the block and stays in a $1.5 million mansion that is in his wife's name. Although strictly legal, its still do as I say and not as I do. You pensioners tighten your belts while I gouge whatever I can out of the taxpayers.
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    12:21pm
    Mike - all pensioners are taxpayers - tax is not simply income tax.. we pay tax every time we spend a dollar. that's how it gets back into the government coffers at the rate of 100% for social security payments - most of whom have little to no discretionary income to spend on private jets bought overseas etc or on submarines built in Japan.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    12:37pm
    We all live in a Yellow Submarine !!
    Yellow Submarine .......
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    5:39pm
    That may or may not be true..... but,
    mike - of course, Labor & Unions are squeaky clean, aren't they ??
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    9:26pm
    MIke: miss aisle is one of the liberal party troll team. Ignore the propaganda.
    Paddles
    27th Nov 2014
    10:16pm
    particolor

    Are you taking your tablets as prescribed?
    miss aisle
    28th Nov 2014
    10:00am
    mick - will you stop with your lies.
    I am one taxpayer, expressing my views.
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    1:12pm
    You are not. Your other identity is Frank...and beyond that who knows who.
    Polly Esther
    27th Nov 2014
    12:19pm
    People, the $7 GP co-payment has been axed, it is caput, dead in the water, in fact it was never going to be. It is over, finished. Hear ye, hear ye, it has been torn up, you will never see it again. So in other words you are venting your wrath against certain people and political parties in vain. It will not go ahead, it is finished, OMG do I have to keep repeating myself. Joy to the world the $7 is gone. Oh bugger I'm off again.
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    12:23pm
    Is that L - A - W .. LAW? Seems I recall that from somewhere.....

    Oh - sorry - now we're talking about the law you have when you're not having law - Clayton's Law - imposition by regulation... again.... must get my thinking cap on straight....
    PlanB
    27th Nov 2014
    12:24pm
    Well Doc there is plenty more to have a gripe about
    Polly Esther
    27th Nov 2014
    12:27pm
    and as for Tony Abbott staying as leader, well he might just make a great floor sweeper, who knows, and I certainly don't care. I am sure it will matter not.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    12:29pm
    Its the Depression You had to have !!
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    12:44pm
    I hope that Broom has been Certified ??
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    12:54pm
    It hasn't gone, you haven't heard the last of it. It wasn't scripted, it wasn't in writing with his signature, he told us to believe him only if it was in writing. Did you physically see him tear it up. Didn't the god of trust indicate you can trust me, there will be no surprises, there will be no cuts, etc. etc.
    The flying doctor seems to be flying a bit low here!
    I'm not sure how far back in time we lost our innocence in "belief in trust" of politicians, but I know the last decade seems to have been the worst time.

    Come on particolor - give me a good response so that I can have a good laugh, turn this computer off and go for a glorious walk down to my local beach and clear my head.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    1:14pm
    I don't know how the Doc keeps His Kite Up nowadays with the Price of Av Gas ??..
    Go and count the Perry Winkles before they are Halaled !!
    Polly Esther
    27th Nov 2014
    1:39pm
    I use dynamic lifter

    27th Nov 2014
    12:39pm
    I wish Abbott would walk away with $7 and never be seen again! Miserable piece of swine ( no insult to pigs)
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    12:47pm
    And as He walked off into the Sunset with His 7 Bucks, Mumbling .........................
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    1:38pm
    "how could they do this to me ... everything I did was for their benefit.. how ungrateful and fickle the voting public is... OMG".... **walks into the deep ocean and swims for the setting sun.....
    HOLA
    27th Nov 2014
    1:50pm
    IN HIS RED BUDGIES !!!!!!
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    1:56pm
    Into the RED SEA or the DEAD SEA?
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    2:11pm
    It matters not as that Pesky Senate Hates Me !!
    Jurassicgeek
    27th Nov 2014
    12:45pm
    doesnt matter it will be around again in the new year...round 2 ahead...change of name change of tactics..
    Wstaton
    27th Nov 2014
    12:46pm
    Yes the LNP is going to try and get the $7 co-payment through by regulation and bypass the democratic process.

    I have just finished reading a book called "Little Pink House" It details story wise how The Connecticut State governor used the a law (Eminent Domain, Similar to our compulsory purchase)to evict private house owners for the advantage of a conglomerate (Pfizer).

    The law states that this can happen only if the land is for public use. This was circumnavigated and believe it or not the Supreme court ratified the evictions were OK.

    Guess what? the Governor was republican and 5 of the 9 Justices were republican. Vote was 5:4

    Republicans have a similar philosophy to the LNP.

    Nuff Said.

    This book was an amazing read. Just google "susette kelo" if you want to read more about this.

    By the way although susette kelo eventually had to move, 9 years later the area is still barren with all the homes demolished.
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    12:56pm
    "Yes the LNP is going to try and get the $7 co-payment through by regulation and bypass the democratic process."

    That was yesterday's news. Today, it has been abandoned. Do try to keep up.;-)
    Wstaton
    27th Nov 2014
    12:59pm
    No KSS, They abandoned trying to get it through the Senate yesterday. They are now considering regulation.

    Nevertheless they have already used regulation to bypass the parliamentary process.
    MITZY
    27th Nov 2014
    1:00pm
    Ah ha Wstaton. Interesting. Pfizer(?) the drug company - manufacturer of Norvasc blood pressure tablets, among other drugs, they probably made a fortune out of supplying blood pressure tablets to all the folks they managed to evict. Just another few millions into a multi-national's coffers.
    Will have a look at what you suggest. Thanks.
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    1:06pm
    Well, it has been reported that Mr Dutton got legal advice that he could regulate $5 but had decided NOT to do that.

    More scaremongering Wstaton.
    tia-maria
    27th Nov 2014
    12:47pm
    Dont trust your PM Tony Abbott, he find another way to hurt the retired pensioners of Australia...............but I can say were we go we are always pay upfront.)NO BULK BILLING)
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    12:53pm
    Would You buy a Used Cartel off this man ??
    PlanB
    27th Nov 2014
    12:54pm
    Wait till they bring in Agenda 21

    Google it if you doubt it
    PlanB
    27th Nov 2014
    1:01pm
    See some about it here --Agenda 21

    http://www.galileomovement.com.au/docs/gw/PoliticalResponsestoAG21V2.pdf
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    1:04pm
    Plan B... I was reading yesterday on You/Tube That there are 12 or more things in the American Whatsy that people think are true but do not exist ??.. God is not mentioned once ?? But people think it is all over the Place in there ??
    Seagull
    27th Nov 2014
    1:17pm
    Just a reminder medicare is not free, someone has to pay for your free consultation.That is a fellow citizen has to put his hand in his pocket to pay for your free service. At the moment there is not enough Australians doing this so the government is borrowing the money from overseas.Plus it has to pay interest on the money already borrowed to the tune of 1,000 thousand million dollars a month.
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    1:42pm
    No - he/she hasn't. I invested eighteen plus hours and service to country and fifteen disabilities so I could walk into a doctor's office in my old age and not have to find a few measly dollars.

    My share is paid for already.... sorry 'bout that. Not only that, but my share also paid for the upkeep of those now working brats who are currently paying THEIR share at today's rate.

    Good day to you sir.
    KSS
    27th Nov 2014
    2:02pm
    Agree Seagull. The Grappler has well used up any contribution with his 15 disabilities by now. People seem to think there is an account sitting with their name on it that funds their medicare, pension and anything else they feel entitled to all paid for from the small contributions they made in the past. Well that money is already spent. It is those paying now that are funding such services and as you say, there are fewer now paying for many more recipients. No one is begrudging them. But they must recognise the truth of it.

    They, of course, will never agree.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    2:20pm
    Well some Sick Sausage is welcome to My share of Unused Credits !! I haven't been near a Doctor in 15 odd years !
    Wstaton
    27th Nov 2014
    2:34pm
    Same here part, except for a checkup every few years. I don't mind contributing for those who are not as unfortunately as healthy as me.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    2:44pm
    And the last time I went was only because Centrelink told Me too !!..They Must Have Shares ??....
    But anyone can Have My Share of the WAITING Room !!
    PlanB
    27th Nov 2014
    3:59pm
    Well good for you that haven't had the need of a DR, I hope you remain so but there are plenty that need one often. So don't forget --
    there but for the grace of God go you !
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    5:29pm
    I agree, Seagull - It amazes me that some are not able to digest & agree with
    your paragraph of common sense. So easy to understand.
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    10:20pm
    Seagull: You have the correct understanding. The issue is not that somebody has to pay. The issue is that this government may want to tax us all and then get us to (eventually) pay anyway.
    I support the idea of a co-payment but this is the next in a growing list of lies from this disreputable government. Dare I say "he lied"...."for nothing will save the governor general". Sorry. I couldn't help myself.
    Seagull
    27th Nov 2014
    1:21pm
    The labor party and the greens have no concept of Debt, and that in the end debt will make us slaves.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    1:28pm
    I think they are negotiating with Rome now for some Used Galleons ??
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    1:46pm
    Nonsense - both 'sides' borrow as they see fit - it is not a party thing at all. I've read that the debt has risen already under Joe's regime.. this lot are borrowing like desperate drunks two days before payday...

    Not only that, but ToJo are intent on offshoring as much work, jobs and contracts as possible into this mythical 'global economy', which pays little to nothing into our tax regime. I was not aware that the Japanese economy was in such dire straits that it needed international aid in the form of a submarine building contract - not when that money spent here would remain in OUR economy which IS in dire straits.
    Polly Esther
    27th Nov 2014
    1:46pm
    Galleons are so yesterday. Pretty sure were doing litres already.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    2:28pm
    Its Ok , they are going to pay for them with some old Pounds they found in the Treasury Basement when they were down there Scrounging around looking for some Bucks to pay the National Debt Interest !!
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    5:22pm
    Seagull - And going by their actions - they're still in denial.
    They're too used to the Coalition picking up the little pieces & slowly putting
    them together, again, & again.
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    10:25pm
    Seagull: I agree with you. But you also need to appreciate the economic conditions when a government is in power and where it sends money to.
    The previous government won office when the GFC hit unlike the Howard government with Costello in his hammock. When in power the previous government did not send money to the rich. This is one doing exactly that...and we are talking about $billions. That is why the debt ceiling was removed by Abbott and his cronies.
    Whilst I hear what you are saying I repeat what I have said many times: FOLLOW THE MONEY TRAIL. That way you get an appreciation of whether money is being used for the nation or for supporters of the regime. It is fairly clear cut with this crew.
    Dollars over Respect?
    27th Nov 2014
    1:33pm
    Most developed (incl USA) and developing countries admire our existing Health Care system. We have set a minimum standard for others to strive to create, so that a healthy life does not remain accessible only to the wealthy. Australia would be mad to try to undo what we have achieved so far in access for everyone to medical care, it is for the rest of the world to catch up, not for us to allow our standards to fall backwards - this principle applies across all facets of our Australian way of life. A country's wealth should be shared, as we ALL have contributed to its creation. A political party and its leaders are responsible to behave in a befitting way - especially in relation to their electoral promises - no lies, nor liars should be tolerated. To tolerate such deceptions virtually endorses this behaviour. Do we want to live in a society where people in power get away with falsely representing their intentions? Vested wealthy interests are behind endorsing these sorts of cuts to our economy, such cuts to a globally recognised superior health care system are obviously not in our community's best interests. Start making savings by making cuts to politicians and government employees 'special' superannuation deals, and outrageous perks (snouts in the trough). If the Abbott Govt does intend to bring in by the back door a similar sting, it will be more than 'amusing' to see the backlash...when you're on the wrong track, admit it, learn the lesson and move on!
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    1:42pm
    HEAR HEAR !!
    Anonymous
    27th Nov 2014
    1:47pm
    Right on, Bro.
    Polly Esther
    27th Nov 2014
    1:50pm
    then Basil had a breakdown and opened a hotel.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    2:14pm
    And called it FARTY TOWELS !!
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    10:28pm
    Spot on. Agreed.
    At the risk of sounding like a broken record (sorry) both the Howard regime wanted to turn Australians into American dirt poor slaves. The same nation is the only first world nation without an adequate health system for its citizens as well. This is not what we want in this country.
    Precious 1
    3rd Dec 2014
    7:00pm
    Gee what a lengthy speil here...must be some good ideas for the pollies...I wonder if they ever read this site.....
    particolor
    3rd Dec 2014
    9:42pm
    I don't think so ?? Or some of us would be in Jail !!..He He !!
    Reeper
    27th Nov 2014
    2:57pm
    I never considered $7 to be much for maintaining the status quo on a very expensive medical care scheme - unless you visited your GP 2 or 3 times a week. I would like Barnacle Bill Shorten to provide us with the ALP's solution to the rapidly degrading Medicare scheme however. As I have already lived most of my life, it is only my kids and theirs who face a future without Medicare when it actually crashes. Reading various opinions on the future of Medicare, both sides of the argument actually agree that Medicare is doomed without additional funds....the only question where will the funds come from? I know the ALP will go in a roundabout way, probably with a subtle new tax, which is quite funny when you think that $7 a visit now would bolster Medicare for quite a while
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    5:13pm
    If past ALP's solutions are anything to go by
    I shudder at the thought!
    I doubt whether any planning has started - they're too busy criticising the govt.
    I agree - If the $7 co-payment helps to stabilize Medicare - then it's a great idea.
    Wstaton
    27th Nov 2014
    5:30pm
    The point is Reeperbahn it is not going to bolster Medicare. It's going to a research fund.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    7:36pm
    I think I just hear the Catch I was waiting for ? But I'm not sure Yet ? ..
    The Medibank Refund will be 5 Bucks Shorter !!..
    Glad I'm not Sick !
    niemakawa
    27th Nov 2014
    7:41pm
    Paricolor, but you are!
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    8:00pm
    Ill get over it !
    Yours is Permanent !!
    niemakawa
    27th Nov 2014
    8:03pm
    Paricolor I expected a something more original from you. Cough up your $ 7.00 now.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    8:08pm
    I'm Independent !
    I have No Master !!
    I Answer to No one !!
    niemakawa
    27th Nov 2014
    8:11pm
    Except God Almighty.
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    10:37pm
    particolor: don't get excited mate. Frank, miss aisle and niemakawa appear to be the same poster. Read the comments. Always the same anti Labor and anti union posts. Don't waste your time.
    Have you noticed how we all have a great debate when Frank and his alter egos are gone?
    The Administrator of this website needs to clean up this political troll and his many faces.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    10:56pm
    Its Paddles I'm worried about ?? I think he has Blown a Spark Plug ? .. The subject is finished but He thinks there is content in it, that we are spoiling it !! As far as I know the Co Payment is still on !!
    miss aisle
    28th Nov 2014
    9:53am
    mick - enough of your lies & crazy imagination - Stop the nonsense.
    Just stick to the facts.
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    1:15pm
    Frank/miss aisle: stop trolling, stop back slapping your employer and stop attacking one side of politics. The signs are all there. You are what you are and the site Administrator needs to remove you and several other posters who are here in the capacity of paid employees of the government. This is wrong and it needs to be stopped.
    Wstaton
    28th Nov 2014
    1:42pm
    Yes well I think we should stick to the facts.
    Lets see who can answer the following questions truthful with just a yes or no answer. None of the none answers we get in parliament.

    Did Abbott say the following.

    1. Not cuts to the ABC or SBS.
    2. No cuts to Pensions.
    3. No cuts to Health.
    4. No Cuts to education.
    5. No cuts to the GST.
    6. Did he also say: "no surprises and no excuses"

    Let see who is honest here.
    MITZY
    28th Nov 2014
    3:39pm
    Wstaton: He certainly did, all of those six times and possibly more.
    How can this be from him and so many of his mates, who are never shy of telling us they go to church - the confessions must be enlightening.
    particolor
    28th Nov 2014
    3:51pm
    Forgive Me Father for I told at LEAST Six PORKIES Today !!..
    Chuck
    27th Nov 2014
    4:05pm
    The sooner we get rid of these hopeless, lieing Bs who only care about big business and not the ordinary tax paying Aussie the better off we'll be.
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    4:24pm
    I dunno how they can sleep at night ??
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    10:39pm
    Are you saying we need to 'chuck' them out?
    Coming to an election near you! Soon.
    Where's the Abbott promised (threatened?) double dissolution gone to? Another lie? Surely not.
    unicorn
    27th Nov 2014
    5:47pm
    A rose by any other name still smells as sweet or in this case still stinks
    unicorn
    27th Nov 2014
    6:02pm
    Should have known better. Such sh*t just keeps coming no matter what it just keeps on like the lies of Tony Babble ( ot ). There are much more important things to worry about than this subject so I'll go and listen to our local news. {Much more interesting}.
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    10:40pm
    Are you saying that Abbott and his henchmen are honest? If you believe that then what about the Tooth Fairy?
    japoli
    27th Nov 2014
    6:07pm
    If the Government gets a bigger majority in the Senate, it will be rebranded and passed for sure. All very well to bag those who abuse the bulk billing system, but amongst those are the chronically ill poor who would then allow themselves to get even sicker to avoid paying the $7 co-payment and then get admitted to our already struggling public hospitals. The day our health system starts to resemble the American one will be very sad. There, they allow people to die in emergency rooms, for lack of health insurance and the wealthy get unnecessary procedures in their 90's, purely to fatten up the already greedy and loaded health insurance companies.
    Oars
    27th Nov 2014
    7:07pm
    There is no real senate now. This jumbled group of nobodies have no style, few brains, lack ideas, and out for their own nest. Take your mind back 20 or so years, and then we had REAL SENATORS- people who we could look up to. Can you honestly say that about this lot. Wot a joke- but it's on us. We pay them $180 K per year, even after they get dumped.!!!
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    8:19pm
    Is that all they get ?? Pay them more ! No wonder they Under Perform ! I think You've got Monkeys ??
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    10:45pm
    Not so Oars. Politicians for the most part have not exactly ever been rocket scientists.
    As I keep saying: elect Johnny the Blacksmith but DO NOT KEEP RE-ELECTING LABOR, LIBERAL OR GREENS. That is the fatal mistake we all make.
    Johnny the Blacksmith will get the best advice, and persuasion, that money can buy. Proper government can only follow as Johnny is not owned by the coal industry or by the union movement and will act in the interests of the nation....not those who stumped up large sums of money to get him elected.
    The only other thing I can say about your view is that if you want to pay pollies $70 000 a year then you may not have any candidates in many electorates. Would you do the job for nothing given the relentless attack by the media? Methinks not.
    Oars
    28th Nov 2014
    8:39am
    I like the idea of Jonny the Blacksmith or Bill the baker, but the trouble is all these guys start off saying good things, and they CHANGE their ideas once they get into "the Buildings". The old publicans used to rule the house, with an audience of half drunk listeners. Pubs aint pubs anymore. Bill and Jonny have gone to pastures in the sky, and we are stuck with a new breed who THINK they know everything, yet have little or no experience in the real world of crash, fall and get-yerself-up. They blunder money and lives like they live their own- hasty, shallow, and selfish. Sorry, I can say that about a large percentage of the 40s to 60s who have not experienced life yet but they still try to outsmart us oldies with "jibber-jabber" talk. I'm off fishin' with a well guided rudder. Oars.
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    1:20pm
    What a load of codswallop Frank....oh sorry....Oars on this occasion.
    The only gibberish is your post. So your man Abbott has not changed his mind???? On everything? The day after the election was over? Yeah right.
    The beauty of Independents is that they do not come with automatic baggage and guaranteed vested interests so you have half a chance. True government requires discussion and horse trading with, hopefully, a decision tempered by good advice and common sense. Don't expect this to happen when you keep voting Labor, Liberal or Greens.
    niemakawa
    27th Nov 2014
    7:28pm
    Labor know and all the minor parties know that it is necessary for the future of medicare. It is political gamesmanship that is preventing its introduction. For all the Labor/Green voters out there, you would be much worse off should they ever have the opportunity to be in Government. Anyway the LNP will not drop the issue and will do what is right for this Country.
    miss aisle
    28th Nov 2014
    9:48am
    Basic common sense at work - niemakawa.
    It stands out like a beacon, - cannot understand why some are unable
    to absorb the obvious...
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    1:20pm
    Two government paid trolls working off each other. Probably the same person posting in different names.
    Paddles
    27th Nov 2014
    9:26pm
    Just to comment on the extent of Tony Abbott's grip on the top job and therefore the likelihood of retaining it through the next electoral cycle, anyone who watched the performance of Bill Shorten in his address (?) to the National Press Club on Wednesday 26th, would have to get some money on the Coalition.

    Shorten's effort was pathetic and among the words that spring to mind are vituperative, sneering, repetitive and hollow cant. Honestly, his minders should have cringed at his delivery and even more so at his non attempt to answer questions from journalists. He made no attempt to answer but took that as an opportunity to launch into a repetition of his original (?) rant.

    I am critical of some of the performances and decisions of the Prime Minister but when it comes down to an "either or" situation, then it's no contest. I will be amazed if Shorten leads Labor to the next election.
    niemakawa
    27th Nov 2014
    9:40pm
    Labor always flounder and are unable to keep a man or woman as leader for longer than a year or so. Shorten is certainly not up to the task of the leader of his party and definitely not PM material. Mr Abbot has conviction and takes his job seriously.
    Paulodapotter
    27th Nov 2014
    10:11pm
    Oh come on!
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    10:17pm
    Shorten has no backbone, no leadership qualities, doesn't even sound convincing
    when he's criticising the govt. Very wishy-washy.
    An absolte disaster for Australia,if ever he was PM.
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    10:49pm
    So here we have the troll/s (Frank) feeding off each other with apparent support....... What a joke. What a fake.

    Paulodapotter: these posters are not the real McCoy. They are government sponsored trolls who always poo poo Labor and unions. Just mostly ignore them.
    The site Administrator needs to cut some of these posts as we need real input, not political trolling.
    Hawkeye
    28th Nov 2014
    12:16am
    Niemakawa, I'm stunned.
    I wasn't aware that Abbot already had a conviction. Is it for fraud?
    miss aisle
    28th Nov 2014
    9:44am
    mick - will you stop with your lies about govt. trolls. Just stop it.
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    1:23pm
    I can but not tell the truth. It has to be clear to all readers that we have a group of paid trolls who are not expressing their opinion (acceptable) but rather supporting their employer whilst pretending to be private posters (UNACCEPTABLE).
    I call for the site Administrator to block this site from such posters as your intention is about 'grooming' other users for the next election. Nothing more.
    MITZY
    28th Nov 2014
    3:53pm
    Mick: Click on the word report under the name of the person you wish to report and you can state your case.
    wally
    1st Dec 2014
    9:58am
    Hi mick. It is a very broad brush you are using when you denounce all those who do not agree with you as paid trolls. You would be promoting opinion as fact, and in a legal sense, you would be spouting hearsay as the truth. If you are not happy with other peoples' posts, you need to respond with facts and not insults or abuse. We are not parliamentarians so let us not behave as if we were.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    3:19pm
    Appreciate your last post, wally.
    I am an ordinary Aussie citizen expressing my personal views.
    Mar
    27th Nov 2014
    9:55pm
    I certainly won't vote forTony the Phony at any election. Things have never been so bad.
    Paulodapotter
    27th Nov 2014
    10:12pm
    I don't support any party as such, but that statement has conviction and an element of truth.
    miss aisle
    27th Nov 2014
    10:20pm
    I'm positive they would be a lot worse if Labor was still in power.
    Thank God some of the Labor voters woke up before the last federal election!
    particolor
    27th Nov 2014
    10:29pm
    But are now under heavy Sedation !!
    MICK
    27th Nov 2014
    10:57pm
    Good on you Mar.
    Frank/miss aisle (the same person - troll) is trying to mislead. What else is new from this government?
    The reason people voted for this government is that AUstralians were unhappy at how the Boat People issue was being handled and were stampeded about debt after the GFC when unemployment around the world went ballistic. This did not happen in Australia. But what Australians did not vote for is what we got: a deceitful lying bunch of Howard leftovers.
    I may not be voting Labor at the next election but I certainly won't be voting for this government. Neither deserve our vote and I'll be hunting down the best Independent in the electorate and giving him/her a run.
    Abby
    28th Nov 2014
    6:42am
    Interesting how one half complains about Labor and the other about the Liberal

    The real problem is that we as Seniors do not have a voice in the Parliament.

    Henry a member of this Forum has made huge sacrifice by attempting to start a Senior's Party to rectify this.

    Perhaps some of us should get behind Henry and apply for a membership in a form at

    http://www.seniorsparty.org/mship.html

    BTW It is FREEE
    MICK
    28th Nov 2014
    1:33pm
    I contacted Henry some time ago about his Party. Unbelievable. A guy with no tolerance, a bad temper and not worth the time I gave him.
    Whilst I totally agree with an Independents Party there are people better suited to form such a party. Nick Xenophon would be my pick.
    wally
    30th Nov 2014
    9:53pm
    The difference between Labor and Liberal is that one says we can have our cake and eat it too while the other party says we can't.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    9:05am
    With that in mind wally, I know who I'd rather have in charge!
    No matter how good Labor feels about giving away money & making reckless
    financial decisions, it has to be paid back.
    The govt. projects that could have been under way,
    if we didn't have all these $billions, plus interest, to pay back!
    Precious 1
    29th Nov 2014
    5:04pm
    Speaking for myself and my Doctors rooms....they said emphatically when this $7 co payment was first mentioned and through out that it wouldn't be an option in their practice for pensioners
    Precious 1
    29th Nov 2014
    5:08pm
    Talking to some it would appear many going to Drs was a day out and something to do.....seeing how many are in mne whenever I been in there and not often ...it was always full of people ......and on another theme it has been made knowledge to me that some were imagining ailments to get strong meds and selling on...this must be a Drs bane in their lives....as most breakins etc outside in the commonplace are people looking for prescription drugs.......
    particolor
    29th Nov 2014
    5:19pm
    Good one Precious !! I always thought that !! He He !!..I never knew there were so many Sick People in one Town ????
    particolor
    29th Nov 2014
    5:21pm
    You Should have to get a Prescription from Centrelink to go to the Doctor !!
    Precious 1
    29th Nov 2014
    5:25pm
    Forgot to mention (oldie) lol that number of scripts that reached one hundred dollars and then free...is that still operating anymore can anyone tell me?????
    particolor
    29th Nov 2014
    5:28pm
    When I said You there I really meant to put Everyone should !!
    Precious 1
    29th Nov 2014
    5:27pm
    There are so many things both parties have professed to have started and then they somehow made them disappear with bringing in other ideas...lol...much of what I hear on the radio in the west seems to disappear as well and never mentioned again...I think I will call those ideas time fillers...for the want of anything better...lolol
    Precious 1
    29th Nov 2014
    6:06pm
    Yes particolr there is so much illegality these days some wouldn't know which way to go lololol....have actually seen drug pushing done by the mean s I express above or wherever...but at the time I had no idea...the wife involved was locked out of that particular room..she told me after the man had died...then she started it herself...I wasn't really aware and was warned by another not to get involved..well with me thoroughly disgusted with myself for even having a headache I don t think anyone breaking in my place would get enough to cure a headache lololol..........lololol I shouldn't laugh though I was approached once if I would sell a puffer.....I didn't know you can get high on puffers for asthma.????????
    Precious 1
    29th Nov 2014
    7:54pm
    Well Kato I will also wait with bated breath for the voting in Victoria this afternoon here in Perth.......Funny that 38 people is it on a boat trying to get here when we haven't heard about boats for a while.......and the tale about dangerous war zones and their leader SRI Lanka saying to our leader they haven't had dangerous war zones for about 12 years.lolol its more than laughable...the grand dukes wanting to mess the West up aren't they right good and proper and I don`t think anyone would ever believe it........
    particolor
    29th Nov 2014
    8:17pm
    I went for a Look at other sites this afternoon ! What a Mess in Sweden with those lovely Refugees ??..
    Precious 1
    1st Dec 2014
    12:16am
    Yep part they really are on a purge is it called for a clean sweep of the west indeed.......I read once where the leakage from a nuclear reactor in lower west india had caused dreadful malformation of babies and affected the health of thousands of people who lived there...I not absolutely sure of these facts but it was made known in a newspaper I read from UK...their journos got the sniff but it never appeared again for public viewing...funnily enough I have seen some of these terrible malformed here where we live...not time sharing but people sharing is it called now......?????? and those poor souls never asked for that only to live their lives...it caused havoc in the river water there.....its very very costly maintaining those nuclears reactors.....
    particolor
    1st Dec 2014
    11:06am
    I found another site now ! Where they really get stuck into Important World Issues and no punches Pulled !! But they are very well behaved I've noticed, with the limited odd outburst of Swearing ! And a fair bit of Humour thrown in even on Serious Matters !!.. Stay Well !!
    Precious 1
    1st Dec 2014
    12:18am
    I ve just been watching the film Cilla Black...she was grand..Mum loved her...and when she sang Alfie I learned to play it on the piano and sing it to by wonderful father...he fell in love all over again..and that time it was with his daughter .....just something nice to say.....
    Precious 1
    1st Dec 2014
    1:28pm
    Sorry couldn't help that...we are doused with all this media hype every single day and I m getting thoroughly sick of it......what is the truth or what is the political furore to win side...
    Precious 1
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:53pm
    Never thought it would get off the blocks......the people he promoted there were the type to be spending weeks and months at home looking after children lolol my daughters don t much prefer to be back in the stream........bit of physcology there I think..
    Not Senile Yet!
    8th Dec 2014
    2:46am
    Poor Tony.....his Party will not alter his manifesto.....so he is dammed if he don't and dammed if he do!!!!!
    If they bring in the Co- Payment....I predict a Landslide against the Liberals in the Next election...regardless of which Puppet Leads it!!!!
    Furthermore, if the Labour Party doesn't stop it's Left Wing Radical Policies.....they will also not win the Swing against the Libs....most will Vote for Independants...just to annoy BOTH Parties...for their continued over indulgence in Radical Party Policies that are NO LONGER what the average Aussie wants!!!!
    The Over 50's will rise in protest against both Party Machines for their deliberate Slashing/Removal of Pensioner entitlements whilst retaining their own!!!!!
    Look out for the Grey Army REVOLT against Both Political Parties!!!
    particolor
    8th Dec 2014
    5:26am
    Cant You Sleep ??

    Tony ! Tony Abbott !! King of the Wild Front Tears ! ERR !! Bench ....


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