Victorian election a warning to PM

The results of the Victorian State Election may be a warning to the Federal Government.

Victorian election a warning to PM

The result of the Victorian election on Saturday may spell a warning of sorts for the Federal Government to change its ways – or suffer the same fate.

Victorians sent a message to Canberra by electing Labor’s Daniel Andrews as Premier in this weekend’s Victorian State Election. In doing so, they have voted out a one-term state government for the first time in almost 60 years and have potentially put the Federal Government on notice.

With the election post mortem now in full swing, there is a popular opinion – even amongst the Liberal Party’s own ranks – that the Federal Government had a negative influence on how the Victorian election played out.

“The Federal Government must take some of the blame for the Coalition's loss in the Victorian election,” said former Liberal premier Jeff Kennett.

Mr Kennett said that Tony Abbott’s decision to introduce the fuel excise three weeks before the election, hot on the heels of an already unpopular budget, might have made it even more difficult for the Victorian Coalition to sell its own message. As a result, Mr Abbott was seen as a political pariah by many in his own party in the days leading up to the election, so much so that the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Julie Bishop, was brought in for last minute electioneering instead of the embattled PM.

"The lesson that the federal Coalition and the Liberal Party can lose after one term is one that will resonate across the country, and Tony Abbott clearly was electoral poison for Denis Napthine," Labor frontbencher David Feeney said.

Labor looks as if it will win at least 47 seats in the election, which is enough for a majority in the 88-seat Parliament. The Coalition has secured at least 37 seats and the Greens won its first ever seat in the lower house.

Federal Greens MP Adam Bandt feels that the outcome of this election sent a clear message to the PM. "Tony Abbott needs to understand that his policies and his refusal to fund public transport to fix congestion is costing the Liberals votes," he said.

The Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister, Josh Frydenberg, considered the result a wake-up call for the Coalition. "There are some very serious lessons for us. We'll go back to the drawing board," he said.

However, not all Liberal MPs feel that the Federal Government played a major part in the result of the Victorian election. Federal Trade Minister, Andrew Robb, denied the implication that the Federal Coalition should share the blame for the loss.

"Clearly from my experience and observation, this was a state election, overwhelmingly fought on state issues," he said, "I don't accept that we had a big influence. Of course we'll be realistic. We'll have a good look at the implications but clearly from my experience and observation this was a state election overwhelmingly fought on state issues.”

Federal Opposition Leader Bill Shorten, while not saying that he could necessarily replicate the state result and defeat a one-term government, was nevertheless capitalising on the Labor Party’s convincing win in Victoria.

"The lesson of Victoria is if you don't keep your word, if you cut the conditions of families, if you are not interested in fighting for jobs, then you will pay a price," said Mr Shorten.

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Opinion: A sign of things to come?

The Victorian election result is a shot across the bow of the current Federal Government, with the voting public making it clear that they want change.

The Abbott Government will do all it can to deflect any criticism of its actions playing a part in the Coalition’s loss in Victoria. This election was the first real chance the voting public had to make its position clear on how it feels about the current Federal Government’s policies and the result should be cause for concern for the Coalition.

Australians want strong leadership. Mr Napthine clearly did not stand up to Mr Abbott and his demands on the state. According to Mr Kennett, “He never called Tony Abbott to account. Tony was putting tax on him after tax on him. He wouldn’t have done it in NSW.”

Napthine’s penchant for secrecy with regards to his government’s agenda, his inability to stand up to Abbott’s fuel excise and the mismanagement of the botched East-West link project, quite plainly made him an unsatisfactory candidate for state leader in the eyes of voters.

But is the Victorian public’s attitude towards Mr Napthine reflective of how it feels about Mr Abbott? The Federal election won’t take place for another two years, giving the Abbott Government plenty of time to take these lessons on board and make amends in the eyes of the Australian voters. The real questions are: will he listen to what the public wants? And how much is he willing to change his ways in order to appease the voting public?

The Greens being elected to the Lower House for the first time ever should also send Mr Abbott a message that the people want to see positive action in regards to the handling of environmental and public transport policy. The election results make it clear that these matters are indeed a major public concern which can no longer be ignored.

The state election may have been fought over state-based issues, but these state issues are hot on the heels of the Federal Government’s clear inability to win over voters and the Abbott Government should read loud and clear that the people are not happy with how things are being handled. If he’s not willing to listen to the people, then these next two years could be his last – and his government could also end up being be a one-term wonder.

What do you think? Do you see the Victorian election as a warning for the Federal Government? Or do you see state and federal issues as completely separate? How you think the Victorian election results will affect Federal matters? How does the state election results affect you?





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    disillusioned
    1st Dec 2014
    10:14am
    Of course it is. We are seeing jobs lost everyday across Australia; massive cuts to TAFE; health cuts; GP Co payment; costs of degrees; growing unemployment especially of youths; these have led to loss of confidence in the Federal Government which will also reflect on State Governments. Tricky deals that we can't get any information on - with the common response from government - 'commercial in confidence'. Developers rule!
    Paulodapotter
    1st Dec 2014
    3:12pm
    Yes, but now we need leadership from the opposition. I haven't heard them say they will reverse anything if the government is successful in introducing higher fees to students, or cancelling the doctors co-payment. They haven't said, for instance, that they will introduce an ETS in line with global markets. They haven't addressed the refugee situation with a long term solution and have been strangely silent on the detention of children. Neither party has any policy in place to address the contraction in "quarry Australia" and have no policies to encourage secondary industries other than, in the Labor camp, to encourage the renewable energy industry. Only the fringe groups, such as the Greens, have been vocal in these areas.
    mangomick
    1st Dec 2014
    6:38pm
    Yes it's not surprising that many young and not so young Labor supporters are moving towards the Greens. Greens still have a bit of work to do in regards to stepping up and polishing their policies but at least they have been getting their policies out there. it's unfortunate though that when one hears "Greens", straight away one only thinks of radical tree huggers.
    There's a young ex Army Intelligence Officer running third on the Greens Upper House ticket in NSW come March who has been working tirelessly promoting Greens policy on renewable energy. It would be good to see the Greens with the balance of power in the upper house so the degradation of whats left of the highly productive farming land throughout the Hunter Valley can be protected from Fracking and open cut mines.
    Adrianus
    2nd Dec 2014
    8:58am
    The Hunter Valley, isn't that where Eddie Obeid made his fortune mining? Why do the Greens now reject Hydro? They once loved it.
    mangomick
    2nd Dec 2014
    9:23am
    I would imagine there's better alternatives to Hydro. Wasn't that long ago Tasmania were in the grip of drought and Dam levels were low and instead of Tassie exporting power they were having to buy in Victorian power. Don't know where you got the bit about Greens loving Hydro. if you look back to the Franklin Dam protests and Bob Browns early days in politics.
    The newer solarTechnology with Molten salt solar stations would seem to be a better alternative given Australias geographical location.
    wally
    3rd Dec 2014
    12:49pm
    Sorry Frank. You have to build dams to have Hydroelectric power generated. Just think of all the poor "sacred" hop toads, bugs and rare weeds that would drown if dams were built and filled with water! The Greenies would not be happy! So you should be ashamed of your self and spank you fingers for typing such a sensible suggestion for a source of electricity.
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    1:14pm
    Wally, that didn't stop labor from building the $20b desalination plant in Victoria.An environmental impact study found several protected species could be affected by the plant's construction and operation – including the orange-bellied parrot, the growling grass frog and the giant Gippsland earthworm.
    I think it was also built on the top of Aboriginal Middens which had previously produced a dinosaur discovery? How can this happen? Obviously the desal plant became more important. But the question is why?
    mangomick
    3rd Dec 2014
    1:31pm
    Wasn't that long ago Cities like Brisbane and Melbourne were sitting on severe water restrictions and they had plenty of dams but all close to empty. Next big drought when the dams are all empty, try telling all those people in the city that will be sucking on desal water what a waste a $20 million desal plant was. Must be Bloody marvelous to have 20/20 hindsight. If the City ran out of water ,you blokes would be the first to whinge," why didn't the Labor government do something about it when they were in power."
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    4:32pm
    We have plenty of water in Australia. That is not the problem. The real challenge is 'how do we share it?' Is there something wrong with the political system we have or is it the people in control?
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    4:59pm
    If we were talking about gas or oil we could build a pipeline in a figure 8 around Australia. But it's water.......
    mangomick
    3rd Dec 2014
    7:28pm
    Only plenty of water if you want to pump it from the Kimberlies or Northern Australia to Melbourne and Sydney. Can't dam every river and expect to have a healthy environment though. Pipeline around Australia and pumping stations would make the cost of a desal plant look very cheap. But what would you do? Use all the water in the Burdekin to fill the city folks swimming pools and green their yards and tell the farmers to go jump.
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    8:00pm
    You said the other day that Tasmania had a drought recently. Yes they did, but the whole state had a heap of water. Probably enough for everyone if no rain fell for 2 or 3 years.
    What this country needs is a lot less people like you who cannot see the possibilities and more people who can!!!
    I remember Kennedy's eulogy to his older brother following his assassination at Dallas. "Some people see things as they are and say why. He saw things the way they could be and said why not?"
    mangomick
    3rd Dec 2014
    11:07pm
    Frank You are very contradictory. One minute you are lambasting the Victorian government for spending $20 billion on a project to ensure the population of Melbourne has access to water in the event of an extended drought ,an event that is getting all too common and the next minute you are quoting Kennedy. By voicing your opposition to the desalination plant as an insurance policy against a city running out of water you clearly by your own example place yourself in the group of people this country can do with out. Always pays to engage your brain before putting your mouth in gear.
    I believe your original statement was ,"why do greens reject hydro "? and I gave the example of Tasmanias drought as one reason why Hydro isn't always a good alternative during extended drought. Again refer Tasmania 2009 where Hydro-electricity dam storage levels at the end of June 2009 were at 28% of full capacity ... Tasmanias' dams experienced the lowest inflows in the 83 years of available records ...
    wally
    4th Dec 2014
    1:20pm
    Frank, re your comment on Labor's fondness for desalination plants. Remember that the money spent building these things goes to "Labor Mate" construction companies that are getting dividends for the campaign contributions they make to the Labor Party. It could be said that Campaign Contributions would carry more weight in deciding what gets built where than environmental protests. Sort of like how the Coal Seam Gas exploration and exploitation controversy is going along in NSW & Qld.
    Kato
    1st Dec 2014
    10:33am
    Yes. And they are hearing the drumbeat no matter what Mr Robb says. Any political party had better get used to the idea that you mislead the public and then rub there faces in it you will serve one term. Any Political Party.
    Grateful
    1st Dec 2014
    11:01am
    Victoria now and Federal in 2016, both one term governments being kicked out and probably because of the same cause. lies, lies, lies, broken promises. Sadly for Victoria's Libs, they weren't the liars. Aussies will NEVER cop that and the die has already been cast. Never forget those famous words of the now PM, I only tell the full truth when it's in writing!! None of his desperate, day before election promises were put in writing!!
    particolor
    1st Dec 2014
    11:11am
    Has He put ANYTHING in Writing ??
    Bes
    1st Dec 2014
    11:28am
    Ditto Mate! A government is supposed to 'manage' our taxes to the very best of their ability....in the very best interests of the electorate!
    None, either Labor nor Liberal actually 'manage'. POWER is the name of the game at ALL cost!
    The biggest and ever growing debt that generations to come will face is the cost of retiring professional politicians who well and truly have feathered their own nest by SELLING the country we live in!
    A different tune would be played if THEY, the untouchables were treated as normal people instead of 'super' beings.
    No 'super' until retirement age - retirement MEANS retirement and NOT a change of occupation! You have made the decision to leave the job! Retirement means just that and means no Gold card or pension! Just like the ordinary tax payer you will be eligible to draw your super or Centrelink depending upon an individuals situation.
    Not forgetting that 'GIFTING' and other 'DEEMED' assets and property are taken into account!
    We need clever successful people who can 'manage' our economy.
    Not personalities who read out cleverly written speeches written by others!
    Federal government, State government and Local government was left by Mother England in the 1800's and we still stick to it like naughty children.
    Time for CHANGE, a new Republic and a modernised Constitution, a Clean Sheet to be written in the Very Best Interests of the people of Australia is sorely needed.
    BEFORE we no longer OWN anything to 'manage!'
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    11:28am
    Again we see this blog as a Labor party faithfulls space to blame Liberals for everything, including cleaning up the thug unions. Wow won't we see an escalation of CMFU power in Victoria now- with one their types in the box seat. How will he swindle the Victorians with no roads program scrapped- Where will they get their slush-fund payback ??? Glad I don't live in Victoria where mud fights are the game and blame is the same- anyone tame ??? to speak out ??
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    11:46am
    Bes you are breath of fresh air. Your idea of having a better lot in power is great but it comes down to a point of selection of candidates. If you could assemble a group of successful people ( say about 50 or so) in one room it's likely that they may never agree on any subject. Research shows that the best person is a person with a conscience, knows a lot about many things, and is unbiased. Unfortunately, I am too old to put my hand up, but know of a few. The subject of remuneration should be carefully reviewed. Pay 'em big so they don't "fiddle the till". Then after 5 years- out they go, that gets a turnover of fresh ideas- and each person will be remembered of their actions in power- while they are still alive. Oh- by the way. No pensions.
    particolor
    1st Dec 2014
    11:52am
    BES !!...HEAR Bloody HEAR !!
    particolor
    1st Dec 2014
    11:54am
    PS.. Let the Public tell them !
    The Days of Noses in Troughs ARE OVER !!
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    12:29pm
    Oars: come on mate. You are a left wing mouthpiece just like the Frank/Solomon/miss aisle drooling rant from whoever owns all of those identities.
    I respect 'opinion's and that is what this site is about. The fact that most people on this website hate this government has nothing to do with "left wing" politics and everything to do with a lying deceitful low life government which has come after average Australians whilst they transfer wealth to the rich at an unprecedented rate.
    Maybe go and find the trolls Oars.
    Wstaton
    1st Dec 2014
    1:23pm
    Ahem Mick, Am I reading right or was oars bashing labor in his comment above.
    Kato
    1st Dec 2014
    1:47pm
    oars in case you missed it.
    Victorian Liberals are pointing the finger squarely at Canberra for the debacle.

    “Clearly the Commonwealth budget and the aftermath were a distraction,” Victoria’s outgoing Attorney General Robert Clark said on Sunday.

    That was echoed by Deputy Premier Peter Ryan, who said the government struggled to “get the clear air to be able to sell our message”.

    “It made it difficult at every turn to be able to get out of the blocks and that prevailed over a period of many, many months,” he said.

    Daniel Andrews celebrates his election win with his father Rob. Photo: AAP
    Daniel Andrews celebrates his election win with his father Rob. Photo: AAP

    Former Victorian community services minister Mary Wooldridge said federal issues had been important, citing Labor’s use of Tony Abbott’s image in advertising and election day bunting.

    The Victorian coalition had reportedly described the PM during the campaign as “box-office poison”.

    No
    Kato
    1st Dec 2014
    1:51pm
    Mick you left out ericjoan
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:20pm
    Oops. Thanks Wstanton. You are right. A slip of the pen mate.
    Paulodapotter
    1st Dec 2014
    3:33pm
    Rubbish oars! I can clearly see you're one-eyed, but not most of the other commentators. Time to fess up, mate. We've got exactly what we deserve with this mob of power hungry, negative, malcontents who suck up to this country's lowest common denominators at the expense of driving this country's productivity forward.
    Jen
    1st Dec 2014
    9:29pm
    And rub our noses in it.

    Someone ^ earlier in this thread said those words and that describes it perfectly to me. There is no respect shown to the Australian people. They took hold of power by stealth and treachery, tried to bleed us dry and rubbed our noses in it. Now our debt has increased dramatically, and I personally can't see who's going to fix it. We have a dearth of intelligent politicians with vision, in this country.
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    11:10am
    Jen
    When Rudd took over from Howard,
    there was a surplus !
    That surplus must have burnt Rudd's hands - as he quickly gave it away.
    That felt good, so borrowed $billions more on crazy schemes.
    That felt good, so borrowed more, & more...
    AND allowed thousands & thousands of illegals to reside here,
    so he could borrow more.........
    AND you talk about our debt increasing! What a joke!
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    5:53pm
    $150billion of needless spending. Gee if only we had those dollars now.
    wally
    1st Dec 2014
    10:51am
    Looking at the Australian political landscape, it becomes increasingly obvious that we can sum up the differences between our two major political parties. One claims that we CAN have our cake and eat it too. The other political party says that we can't. Who ultimately will pay for all of the "free lunches" that our first political party insists on handing out? Our taxpaying children and grandchildren, that's who.
    So can you blame Abbott's government in Canberra for the Victorian state government's falling flat on its face in Saturday's election? I think that perception, expectation and fears of the Victorian voter had at least as much to do with it as the Commonwealth government.
    Abbott and Co. need to be more pro active in what they want to do and to do a better job of persuading the voters about what they seek as being best for Australia's future. Instead they are accused of being the meanies "taking lollies away from the children" by Labor and the Greens.
    Abbott needs to get the voters to take a realistic look at what the situation is and take Bill shorten to task for the denialist campaign Labor runs in parliament.
    disillusioned
    1st Dec 2014
    11:11am
    Well Wally - Bill Shorten can't be blamed for emulating Mr Abbott's performance in opposition can he, it was an effective strategy?? Its hard to take your own medicine!!
    The treasurer says we should see growth in Australia but how can we grow and prosper if we don't invest in education and training? Decent apprenticeships have been slashed, TAFE to support these apprentices have been slashed and this coupled with the threat to higher education, as well as funding for investment in research and development will diminish growth. Its a no brainer. How can we hope to get ahead? We can't keep relying on overseas workers to make up these numbers.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    12:32pm
    As I always say wally: follow the money trail. That will explain a lot of who is controlled by whom. Whilst I k now you hate the union movement you seem to have no idea that the big end of town controls this government and all of the big decisions it has made since the election are for the (financial) benefit of the rich and their businesses.
    Talk the talk about not doing enough if you like but please address where the dough is heading. That tells the complete story and the rest is just filling in the blanks.
    Sen.Cit.90
    1st Dec 2014
    12:41pm
    Wally:
    You have hit the nail on the head. "Taking The Lollies Away' has upset many voters who don't give a toss about the budget and future Aussies.
    Let us hear more of what Abbott & Co.have done good
    Hawkeye
    1st Dec 2014
    1:24pm
    Wally, you ALMOST got it right;
    - One says WE can have our cake and eat it too.
    - The other says the RICH can have OUR cake and eat it too. And if they are still hungry, WE must stop eating and provide them with more cake.
    Wstaton
    1st Dec 2014
    1:28pm
    Hmmm!! We seem to be trying to take the lollies away and passing them on to people who don't need them.

    Reinar Rhinart is not adding enough to her billions wants more lollies by calling for a reduction of wages.
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    2:25pm
    Wally if this Abbott government isn't on the nose then how come they are doing so badly in the polls?, it wouldn't have anything to do with broken promises or lies would it?, talk about the pot calling the kettle black Tony Abbott is hoist with his own petard and no amount of weasel words will ever get the electorate to believe in anything he ever says again, in writing or not.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    4:27pm
    Wally, my thought exactly.
    Tony has to be relentless in expressing the current situation,
    and that Bill & co. don't acknowledge the massive mess,
    & the hard tasks involved in repairing the damage.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    4:54pm
    miss aisle: the Frank Alta ego reappears. Or is that Solomon? Or maybe some of your other avatars?
    The normal rubbish. Just get used to the fact that your boss is out at the next election no matter how many stooges the Party pays to troll your sort of nonsense.
    wally
    1st Dec 2014
    6:55pm
    Sure, Abbott's not very popular with the supporters of the Santa Claus Party because they fear Mean Tony is going to make them pay for something instead of giving it to them for free. Or at the taxpayers' expense. Which will be your kids, unless they are dole bludgers or on some kind of pension. (BTW, mine work and pay taxes)
    Instead, I read the same old worn out mantras whining about how the rich corporations or individuals don't pay as much taxes as the whingers say they ought to. So which of our illustrious former treasurers and parliamentarians passed the tax laws to allow these malefactors of great wealth to avoid paying their fair (whatever that is) share of taxes?
    mick, you appear to have not only counted your chickens before they have hatched, you've served them up and eaten them already. So keep touting for your idol "Santa" Shorten in this festive season Then maybe after 2016 "Santa" Shorten, if you get your wish, can go crawling to the friendly Chinese "loan sharks" to beg for a few more Billions that he can throw at the dole bludgers to stitch up their votes for Labor for the next few years. But what will happen when the Chinese demand that Australia pays its pound of flesh?
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:14pm
    I am not a Labor supporter wally. I also agree with your take on not handing out money. But this is a double edged sword: by all means top encouraging people from making non work a right but also stop handing out money to the rich who always do well at any time. I never hear this side of life from you but it is the other side of the coin.
    By all means call me out but recognise that I have never advocated throwing money out like confetti. It needs to be used carefully so that society is the long term winner.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:23pm
    Hi disillusioned, I agree with you that you can't blame Bill Shorten for emulating Tony Abbott. Considering Shorten's track record as a loyal and trustworthy husband (until he got hold of Quentin Bryce's daughter) and his role in backstabbing two serving Prime Ministers, his actions certainly show how trustworthy he is NOT. Yet you and your ilk are not backward in condemning Tony Abbott as being untrustworthy and ignore the disloyal and disgraceful antics of Bill Shorten.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    1:25pm
    Hi mick. I think that the best thing we can all do is reflect on which political party and philosophy will produce the best results for Australia in both long and short terms. Or failing that, decide which side of politics will cause the least amount of damage to Australia.
    When I look at the Greens, their policies and what they think is best for Australia, I shudder. Their vision for Australia is to promise a pie in the sky recipe for a paradise that our great grandchildren will not live long enough to see. If they ran the place, would Australia be a land of unemployed vegans? How long would such a state of perfect harmony with nature last before the continent was over run by avaricious foreign neighbours and saw our population enslaved, the like of which would make the Spanish Conquest of Mexico and South America look like a CWA tea party? Greens? No thanks.
    Kim Beasley's father once bemoaned that the ALP leadership had changed from the Cream of the Working Class to the Dregs of the Middle Class. The Labor Party of Curtin and Chifley is no more. Whether the transition (or rot, if you prefer) set in fifty years ago or more recently, is not relevant, but it is possible to see the quality of leaders Labor has recently put forward does not measure up to the standards of their predecessors (including Hawke and Keating). What does the Labor Party and its leadership stand for these days? For example, in the 2004 election, Latham and Co were prepared to throw Tasmanian forest workers out of work to "suck up" to the Green voters. Likewise, Julia was prepared to cost people in the cattle industry their jobs in enforcing the live cattle export ban to Indonesia.. These are two examples of where the old "workers' Party" ethic that started the Labor Party in the 1890's have been dumped. This lack of principle shown by today's Labor leadership is exemplified by a "Do anything to keep our snouts in the trough" (Richo's "Anything it Takes") mentality.
    This leaves the Coalition. Howard was very lucky in that Australia was undergoing a period of prosperity. He did not have the GFC to worry about that his successor Kevin Rudd had to face. I suspect that he ruled the Liberal party room with an iron fist and pretty much got what he wanted. When he got control of both houses of Parliament in 2004. he went after the Unions "big time", scared the hell out of the workers (remember the Patrick Stevedores "waterfront cleanup" that was rammed through at Port Botany?) and the scare campaign run by the ALP prior to the 2007 election saw Kevin Rudd elected. So where does that leave the coalition today? Senate opposition provides uncertainty and frustration as Abbott cannot just ram through legislation as Howard was able to do between 2004 and 2007. How Abbott proceeds in the next 15 or so months will provide a clearer picture of his worth (or lack of worth) than what we can see today. He appears to want to live up to his promises, but a lot of his program are just that, ie unfulfilled promises. So we should wait and see what unfolds in 2015.
    As for the independents, South Australia's Nick Xenophon appears to be the pick of that particular litter. As far as selecting a few good independents goes, it is almost as difficult as picking the first five place getters in the Melbourne Cup in winning order. Good Luck with that one. And they can change. ie Jacqui Lambie for one.
    Going on Past form and performance, I would have to stick with the coalition unless they really bugger things up between now and the next election.
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    10:34am
    Misty - 1st Dec. 2:25pm

    Of course Tony Abbott would not be popular -
    After a few years of Rudd, many people just held their hand out !
    It didn't matter to Rudd or those people that the money was borrowed &
    had not even been earned by taxpayers yet!! Never mind, the interest.

    When Tony says, it's time to be accountable & pay our bills -
    Those people don't want to know -
    So, they fight back the only way they can -
    and that is to attack Tony! And attack every word he says,
    'cause they don't want to pay it back!
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    10:37am
    Wally -
    A well balanced view of political parties.
    Easy to understand
    Makes it even easier to choose a party !
    wally
    3rd Dec 2014
    12:58pm
    Yas, miss, but Santa Claus is a hard act to follow, let alone trump. Just ask Tony.
    Old Fella
    1st Dec 2014
    11:25am
    As a NSW resident I saw the Victorian issues of Jobs, Health, Education,(TAFE-University- primary & secondary) Infrastructure (-roads-rail-transport-), Environment, and Public Assets as common critical issues to all States and therefore critical also to the Commonwealth.
    The Abbot Government with its slash and burn attack on Government Finance, Social commitments and lack of attention to the populace Human desire needs generally, in its first twelve months of office, has wounded many deeply. Those many have long memories and patience. The current Liberal/Coalition Government will need more than " a rabbit out of a hat' or another white/black lie behind its' current veil of secrets blurring government transparency and blinding the Country's voters. To be elected for a second round of pain and grief in just a little while ahead, NO I don't think so..
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    11:35am
    Then please tell us all how you would deal with a bank account that had been pii=llaged by the previouys lot. If sayt "print money" then we would end up like US and Eu. To pay for all the "outlandish" projectys that were introduced BUT NEVER FUNDED by Labor would be financial ruin for us all. So where is YOUR RABBIT that has money dripping off it. Please tell us how you would scale back the massive debt, so there is a reduction of interest being paid. Have you any idea about the subject of income * expenditure ? Or is this another "flick across the surface" of a deep wound that needs to be cured by hard work and sensible budgets.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    12:35pm
    Stop trolling Oars.
    You do not mention the GFC. You do not mention that the repeal of the Carbon Tax sends $8 billion annually to coal, oil and gas straight from taxpayers. You do not mention that under this government you will get NOTHING for society like Medicare, superannuation, NBN, etc. These were all initiatives from the side of politics you and your other trolling posters demonise whilst ignoring the other side of the ledger.
    Wstaton
    1st Dec 2014
    1:39pm
    Plus all the conglomorates salting off profits to Luxemburg. plus superaniants getting tax reductions, plus PPL to millionaires, plus more.

    Just watching Abbott on TV saying if plan a is not working then we have to come up with plan b. I guess if that doen't work he will have to come up with plan C. If that doesn't work Iguess it will have to come up with plan .......

    Abbot this is not about plans it's about fairness and that is what is stuffing you up.
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    2:18pm
    Oars and Wally
    You can scrap the Rolled Gold PPLeave for a start and then attack the high income earners super, get the pollies to take a pay cut and cut back on their allowances like they want to do to the Defence Force. These are just a few for starters.
    Kato
    1st Dec 2014
    3:11pm
    You got it Misty. Firstly cut back the amount of politicians. The Electorate is overrun with them.
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    5:23pm
    Misty- yes scrap the PPL and all such handouts to everyone. Drop all pensions for all pollies as at now. Kick out the Defence Force saves Billions and let China take over altogether. They control us already with cheap goods. Then look hard for someplace to live, where they allow such tripe, and you dont' get a knock at the door. Really- this is gilly golly talk.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:17pm
    Oars: your rant runs along government lines. So not surprising.
    I agree with Misty as the PPL was a BRIBE from Abbott and his cronies to get the working mother vote. Nothing more.
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:36am
    Oars, that should make them sit up & take notice.
    Your comment is like a rose between thorns.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    6:37pm
    Hi Misty, Your whingeing about the super for the rich and the politicians indicates that appear to be jealous of their entitlements and that you overlook the way some of the previous government's waste of Billions on hare brained schemes than only ran up Australia's debt level. But I suppose in your "misty"(or should that be foggy?) way of thinking, wasting taxpayers' money is of less concern than hounding those people you are so obviously envious of.
    Misty
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:33pm
    Oars even Chris Rchards from Access Economics said yesterday that Australia's debt is not the problem it is revenue and overspending.
    niemakawa
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:42pm
    Misty have you heard about compound interest?
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    9:00am
    Misty, If Richards said that then he meant this..... debt is not a problem if it can be paid down! The budget is the real problem because at the moment it is increasing the debt. And there is only one side of politics which is trying to fix it. Australia's debt by the way is 3 times that of Russia's.
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    9:37am
    Wally does that mean you are jealous of the entitlements the unemployed get, family tax benefits, pensions etc that other people get?, of course I am not jealous of what rich people get it is just the inequality of it all that gets to me, rich people paying accounts to get them out of paying their fair share of tax for one thing.
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    10:19am
    Misty -
    Why don't you whinge just as much (or more) about the $billions
    wasted by Labor?
    At least, acknowledge it, before whingeing about the govt.'s plans now.

    The wasted $billions will be on the agenda & talked about for many years to come,
    because it will take many, many years to pay it off!
    wally
    3rd Dec 2014
    12:42pm
    Misty, while you are whingeing about the inequality of it all and life in general, maybe you would like to see pensions, Medicare in its various guises, and superannuation all replaced by the Dickensian style of work houses of 19th Century England. Then you could put all the people who have more than you have in them. That would take care of the inequality you say you do not like. As Marie Antoinette might have said, "Let 'em eat gruel!"
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    1:52pm
    Wally and miss aisle I am nor winging just replying to your comments and wally our comment above makes no sense.
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    1:54pm
    Wally and miss aisle are you 2 joined at the hip?.
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    4:04pm
    Wally that should read, your comment not our comment, although I am expecting a sarcastic comment from wally/miss aisle.
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:26pm
    Misty - sometimes your comments don't make that much sense either,
    but the part hard to understand, is pointed out.
    Instead of saying - your comment above makes no sense,
    write the bit that doesn't.
    If none of the comment makes sense to you -
    well, it's time for you to have a lie down.
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:39pm
    Just as I expected, a sarcastic comment and how come wally didn't answer?, this question was directed to him, I am now quite convinced that miss aisle and wally are one and the same person.
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    7:16pm
    Misty, you are just parroting mick's insults and it makes you look a little, well, silly. Sorry to say that but what are friends for? Have you got anything original? Last week miss aisle was me and I was Solomon. I think you need to stop taking whatever it is that is making you paranoid. It's not healthy for you and mick to carry on like that.
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    7:20pm
    Old Fella, are you allowed to use a name like that?
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    10:52pm
    miss aisle I don't have to whinge about the so called billions of dollars wasted by Labor you are doing enough whinging about that here for everybody.
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    11:11pm
    Frank what are you talking about?, have you been smoking something or maybe a drink too many?, these comments only started this week and I have never commented about you being somebody else, I think you are confusing me with mick. I did make a comment about wally and miss aisle asking if they were one and the same so maybe I should have said are you, Frank,wally/miss aisle the same person instead.
    miss aisle
    4th Dec 2014
    10:02am
    misty, misty, -
    Has reading all of mick's rants rubbed off onto you?
    You are very easily swayed.

    As I see it, you are passionately against this govt. & say so.
    That's OK.
    I'm passionately for this govt. & say so.
    That SHOULD BE OK too, shouldn't it?

    Surely, you don't have to resort to stupid comments -
    unless, of course, you are unable to find an answer.

    Then instead of answering,
    you (try) & create a diversion -

    but people keep coming back to the important issues, don't they?
    Misty
    4th Dec 2014
    10:41am
    Miss aisle, your comment doesn't deserve an answer.
    miss aisle
    4th Dec 2014
    11:13am
    So you don't believe in freedom of speech
    for people who are for, & against this govt.?

    You must feel it's OK for you to rubbish Tony Abbott, (& that's your right)
    but you're unable to handle the criticism when
    the tables are turned ??
    Adrianus
    4th Dec 2014
    1:00pm
    It's a good point and one which was raised by this site recently. The venom filled vitriol aimed at our Prime Minister I think started during 2008/9, when Rudd's own party turned on him. Even his old school chum Swan had some vicious cutting remarks that appeared to have been stored up over the years. The Labor caucus had previously dispatched other leaders in a similar fashion, but not like this. They really let Rudd have it until he sat alone in the chamber crying and friendless. A shadow of his former glory days when he could do no wrong. The behaviour of the Unions and the Greens has dragged debate into the gutter. It matters not what is good for the country anymore.
    Mar
    1st Dec 2014
    11:29am
    Definitely YES. It's the beginning of the end for the Abbott Government. Never has there been such a fast and punishing onslaught on the lower income and the needy in our society. The issues that we value the most in our society such as Health, Education and social justice are being eroded by the federal government. The majority of clear thinking, compassionate Australians won't stand for it. Victoria is responding.
    Mar
    1st Dec 2014
    11:45am
    Oars. If the Government cut back their wages, stopped their continuing Rorting of the system when they leave parliament. Ended the promotion of the unaffordable parental leave payment, subscribing to deals that feather their own nests and promote their egos, then they might have some credibility.
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    11:54am
    Please read my previous comment. If we only had 50 and their wages increased to $500K/year and they paid their own expenses - we would get a better type there. No pensions to polies. All policies to be funded and audited by recognized INDEPENDENT authorities ON TIME. Kick em all out after 5 years. Remove any standover union -The Toll-Puddle Martars would cringe if they saw the havoc these thugs have done to workers.
    particolor
    1st Dec 2014
    11:55am
    HEAR ! HEAR !!
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    12:38pm
    Oars: back on unions are we? The storyline never changes does it. But then it is never pertinent to talk about the corruption in the Liberal Party ranks is it or the policies which attack average Australians.
    Kato
    1st Dec 2014
    3:12pm
    Double Hear Hear.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    4:32pm
    Mar
    Did Labor have the so-called credibility when they were "leading" the country?
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    4:58pm
    miss aisle/Frank/Solomon: and does the Abbott government have any credibility at all? The only way the Coalition can ever lead the country is by deceit and with a majority in both houses. Even the previous 2 governments got their legislation and budgets through despite being the most vile, negative and intentionally destructive opposition leader I can ever remember. Abbott had no concern about the nation and still has none. He only seeks to send money to his rich supporter base.
    wally
    1st Dec 2014
    7:05pm
    Hinick. So Kev and Julia got their budgets through? You neglect to mention how they went crawling to their Communist Chinese loan shark mates to beg for the billions they threw around and have left the Aussie taxpayers to pay it back. That's my kids and yours, don't forget. And you seem to be advocating that we should go back for another dose Wasted money and more borrowing? If Abbott, as you say, is throwing money at his rich supporters, what will Labor do? Will it be another round of "Bribe the Dole Bludgers" and stitch up their votes for the next election?
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:21pm
    wally: you are showing significant ignorance. The money borrowed from the Chinese kept Australians in work. This government would have happily thrown 20% of the workforce out of work.
    What is needed is the re-introduction of trade barriers. The real problem is that Australians will never compete with wages of $10 a day. What we have is the only level playing field in the world. So we are plundered. And now that coal and iron ore are down we are in trouble. I exchanged a couple of emails with Swan going back a couple of years. Hate to say it but I told you so! What else is going to happen when you bet it all on a dying commodity like coal and iron ore. And worse is to come.
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    11:14am
    wally - Dec 1st 7:05pm - glad you shared those alarming facts with us.
    Adrianus
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:06pm
    mmm the logic of the left. In government no energy was wasted in bad mouthing and formalising methods to kill off the iron and coal industries. A short time later, when in need of the cash flow these same lefties back away in denial.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    9:11pm
    mick, if the Libs would happily see 20% of the work force lose their jobs, how would the government get by on the lack of income tax formerly paid by the unemployed? More likely the Libs would like to curtail the wages of the workers to keep the employers competitive with their overseas competitors. The"level playing field" sounds good, but is it so good in reality?
    The Free Trade Agreements do not seem as advantageous to Australia as we have been told. If overseas demand for our coal and iron ore has been falling this past year, how does that affect the balance of trade when imports from out FTA partners continue to pour into Australia unabated? I fear that our bureaucrats and politicians of both persuasions have been letting us all down badly since the Lima Agreement of the 1970's. That one asked the advanced nations to support the creation of industrialisation in the developing countries. It sounded like a nice "feel good" thing to do at the time, but it has been detrimental to Australian manufacturing. The fact that Australia imports cars and utes from factories in Thailand and clothing from Bangladesh are only two examples of the "level" playing field as it is today.
    I like the idea of trade barriers, but under the terms of the "level" playing field and the Free Trade Agreements, trade barriers are just not an option any more due to the threat of economic reprisals and sanctions. The only way to change the situation is to organize buyer boycotts of certain goods, but looking what happened to Australia's car manufacturers, that seems an impossible dream.
    So what can we do? Should we encourage our children and grandchildren to learn to speak Chinese, Japanese or Indonesian? Maybe the Banana Republic Paul Keating spoke of is not as far fetched as we thought.
    Tom Tank
    1st Dec 2014
    11:50am
    The Victorian election was, in my opinion, fought on State issues such as transport, education, jobs and so on.
    One major factor however was the attitude of the LNP to ambos and fireies who have struggled for years to get a wage increase and nurses who also fought for years and eventually went on strike to get a reasonable affordable increase. This contrasted with Vic Police who not only got a very quick resolution to their wage claim but actually got more than they were asking for, work that one out.
    The LNP Vic Govt also showed excessive secrecy over deals done re infrastructure projects and rushed to sign up a massive road construction, East-West Link, only weeks before the election and flatly refused to reveal the business plan upon which the deal was approved by them.
    Secrecy in government of this type erodes public confidence and it was possibly this secrecy, which aligns with the Federal Govt's approach to dealing with the public, which got people's backs up.
    A very telling photo was the one with Napthine and Abbott with Tony clasping Denis around the shoulders and Denis obviously trying to distance himself as far as he could.
    The Federal LNP should take a good hard honest look at what happened and realise that Abbott is a major encumbrance, in fact he is the best thing the Labor Party have going for them.
    His credibility with voters in Victoria is zilch and that will not be an easy thing to turn around especially since he is back in head kicking mood demanding that the East-West Link must proceed as planned.
    Wstaton
    1st Dec 2014
    1:50pm
    In Victoria.
    Nothing much seems to be said about Dennis Naphine pushing through the $300k upgrade to a road in his electorate in Warnambool to help his mate that was helped before for his mates expansion of his meat works.

    I looked at this road and it goes into a dead end. What's in this dead end road? a multi story apartment block that is being build by the same mate.

    Meanwhile The Warnambool council is very puzzled as they have been trying to get funding for the Warnambool CBD to improve roads.

    So don't keep saying it is only the unions who are rorting.
    Tom Tank
    1st Dec 2014
    2:04pm
    Perhaps you misunderstood me in that I was not knocking the unions but drawing attention to the fact that those emergency workers where being denied wage justice and having to struggle to achieve something.
    The only ones who got what they wanted were the Police and guess what the State Govt rely on them to maintain the sort of Law and Order a right wing government require. Perhaps the Vic Police were just lucky but then again???
    Nikolai
    1st Dec 2014
    11:54am
    Once again this page shows its bias to labor. I live in Victoria and was horrified at the mentality of the people that they could elect Andrews (Mr Negative with a stupid grin) We are going back to the dark ages of being run by the unions and pandering to the few in stopping the East West Link, something that should have been constructed 30 years ago. Victoria at the moment has a AAA rating and has the best economy in the country, bet this wont be the case in 4 years time. People easily forgot about the de-salination plant debacle, a white elephant that has to be used and which Victorians will be paying for over 40 years.
    particolor
    1st Dec 2014
    11:57am
    You wont be Whinging in a Big Drought when You have to drink that White Elephant WATER !!??
    disillusioned
    1st Dec 2014
    11:59am
    And what about Mr Abbott - Negativity personified!!
    EELS
    1st Dec 2014
    12:06pm
    Well said Nikolai. Victorians should be afraid, very afraid. Say goodbye to the AAA rating when the Andrews govt get their hands on the State bank account and then start hacking into the credit card.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    12:44pm
    Tea pot calling the kettle black Nikolai. Another poster attacking unions like the handful of trolls working the site.
    Lets have a BALANCED debate or don't bother posting. Your tripe and that of those who are on this site with you are not debates but rather one sided put downs. Readers can pick up the rhetoric: unions attacks, anti Labor rants with few facts, ludicrous claims of Labor destroying the viability of the nation, etc.
    How about addressing where this government is sending bucket loads of money, the increasing debt, the removal of the debt ceiling so that this government can spend on forever and the attacks on the bank accounts of average Australians and the poor. Never hear a word about any of that.
    KSS
    1st Dec 2014
    1:16pm
    "Your tripe and that of those who are on this site with you are not debates but rather one sided put downs."

    Mick: pot, kettle, black!!!
    Tom Tank
    1st Dec 2014
    1:58pm
    The interesting thing about the de-salination plant is that the LNP never talked about where the water will come from to cater for the dramatic increase expected in Melbourne's population.
    New dams? I don't think so, check it out for yourself.
    The desal plant was used by the LNP to beat Labor over the head and even altho' there is, and was, a real need for water only kms from Wonthaggi the LNP would not allow the use of the desal plant because it would upset there orchestrated campaign for re-election.
    Myki was, and is, a nightmare but since the LNP embraced it themselves they couldn't really get stuck into that.
    There are Pros and Cons to both sides of politics but unfortunately we get the party trolls on this site who refuse to accept the facts and simply regurgitate whatever their party spin doctors put out.
    Grow up Australia and get some backbone by thinking for the whole community and not just your demographic.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    2:45pm
    KSS: all that you and the government trolls ever do is PUT DOWNS. Never any different: the "bad unions", the "debt creating Labor government", etc.
    If you want to talk about "put downs" then confront your tripe and the fact that none of your crew are happy to do other than troll. And then when somebody tries to put the ball back in your court you attack....a la Abbott tactics!
    KSS
    1st Dec 2014
    3:08pm
    Pot, kettle, black, Mick!
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    4:16pm
    mick - you should stop seeing red, -
    pot, kettle - black.
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    5:26pm
    Looks like someone doesn't like anyone to disagree with him/her/it. Typical of standover bullies. That's what we are trying to rid this place of -bullies like you.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:23pm
    I'll agree with trolls when they present honest opinion rather than cash for comment.
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    9:37pm
    Mick, you must find it terribly hard to agree with your own opinions.
    Adrianus
    1st Dec 2014
    10:24pm
    Nikolai, that desal plant was a huge project costing around $22b.
    How much pure fresh drinking water does it produce on a daily basis? I cant seem to find any information on it anywhere?
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    9:17pm
    I wish I knew where you have to go to get paid "cash for comment"!! And I'll bet I wouldn't be the only one, either.
    pom13
    1st Dec 2014
    12:21pm
    Politicians are nothing but PUBLIC SERVANTS even though the think of themselves as OMNIPONENT beings the only difference is that most public servants can have their services terminated immediately we have to wait another 2 Long years before we can get rid of this useless crew!!!
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    12:45pm
    Public servants also cannot advertise themselves via expensive mass media campaigns so that voters are conned by the advertising rather than the actions and results.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    12:24pm
    Whilst you have the "nothing to do with federal politics" response from the federal government it is clear that people do not trust our government and that many have voted with their feet. It will be interesting to see if the scandal ravaged NSW government wins next year. Whilst it has done a better job than its predecessor the electorate will undoubtedly factor in our dishonest federal government in coming to a decision.
    Paddles
    1st Dec 2014
    10:11pm
    mick

    You can absolutely put the rent on a Coalition win or your left testicle, if you have no further use for it.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    9:59pm
    Sometimes when I listen to the people that ring up the "Hate Radio" talkback "shock jocks", quite a few of the callers confuse the state government with the Commonwealth, don't know the difference and couldn't care less. Australia needs to reform the voting system (and maybe eliminate state governments) and end compulsory voting. The high rate of informal voting would suggest that the voters were (!). too thick to vote properly, or (2) lodging an invalid ballot paper as a form of protest vote. But I am not holding my breath until electoral reform happens.
    crazy one
    1st Dec 2014
    12:28pm
    Abbott has had his chance so how come he is still in, over this time period he has broken more promises than anybody else spent more more money in traveling over seas and paid out big money for people to come here so wake up get him out so we can save money. At the start off his term the other party's said we will give him 9 month to start doing what he promise time is up nothing being done so how many out there are lying them selves.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    12:47pm
    Abbott is on his way out crazy one. Even the trolls and the media bias is not going to stop that. I think that you'll see a new leader before the election...but having said that Abbott is pretty arrogant and seems to believe that he can do as he likes and be re-elected. We'll see.
    Sen.Cit.90
    1st Dec 2014
    2:16pm
    Mick:
    Your constant use of the word "Troll" has me wondering!!
    Australian English Thesaurus: Troll, Tyrant, Monster, Fiend, Ogre, Giant:...Oxford Dictionary: Sing in carefree spirit; Fish by drawing bait along in water; Kind of supernatural being in Scandinavian mythology. Which are you trying to convey?
    Have you discovered a new use for the word Troll? if so, where from?
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    2:51pm
    Political Trolling
    Verb: "The act of using emotions, lies, false accusations and broken logic to undermine your opponent and win an argument in a political arena."
    Sorry to be repetitive. I want readers to understand that some of the posters on this website are not presenting 'private' views but are here in a paid capacity grooming voters for the next election.
    KSS
    1st Dec 2014
    3:24pm
    Sen.Cit.84 Mick chooses his definition. However, in today's parlance particularly in relation to the internet and blogs, Troll and Trolling mean:
    "In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

    A far more apt description of Mick himself given the attacks he makes on individuals with whom he disagrees.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    4:14pm
    KSS -
    If only mick would realize when he's angry, that he is referring to himself.
    If only he could simply "live, & let live".
    Adrianus
    1st Dec 2014
    4:51pm
    KSS, that description of micks online behaviour is extremely accurate.
    Polly Esther
    1st Dec 2014
    4:58pm
    I've just about had a gutful of Micks rants and absolute bullshit that he writes.
    One thing Mickie boy, you may not be as you say a troll, but you are one of the biggest, loudest mouthed bigots I have ever come across. Look up bigot in the dictionary Mickie boy and learn something for a change.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:02pm
    I expected that from the government sponsored trolls. You lot only ever spread lies about "bad unions" and "bad Labor government" and then back slap the most dishonest and hated PM I can recall. It is sickening to read the tripe Frank/Solomon/miss aisle. And you try to make put you are individual (ha!) private (ha!) posters.
    EELS
    1st Dec 2014
    5:52pm
    Let me get this straight Mick. The only Trolls (so called by you) on this site appear to be on the conservative side. You however are the biggest, offensive, one-eyed, leftist bigot of them all and you don't think you are a 'Troll'.
    Please do not accuse myself and others of being 'paid' for our posts as I find this extremely offensive. We don't need to be paid for having our own opinions.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:29pm
    EELS: the symptoms for political trolls:
    1. always give the current government praise and a slap on the back and positive comments.
    2. do not debate political decisions, facts or figures other than offer figures which are nebulous to say the least.
    3. repeatedly put down the other side with lame comments which are anti union, anti government or anti government figures.
    Sound familiar? And if one does that why?
    FYI EELS I have already caught out both Solomon and Frank, both of whom have made bad slips. But you don't hear anything about these do you.
    I invite genuine opinions no matter which side of politics they come from but I do not tolerate repeated instances of those above as these are clearly NOT opinions.
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:50am
    You're copping it right, left & centre mick.
    Get the message ?
    It's interesting reading other peoples' points of view-
    But when you're constantly referring to trolls, it's offensive, rude, annoying,
    & the amount of times you repeat the trash -
    your brain must be spinning - like it's on a merry-go-round.
    Stop the motononous rantings & just enjoy & let others enjoy.
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    5:57pm
    The government is about to pass laws making mick's parents responsible for his online bully boy behaviour.
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:30pm
    Then, when mick's parents complain,
    they'll want answers from the generation before that...
    niemakawa
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:38pm
    Miss aisle. I would prefer any Government to pass laws allowing parents. " To kick the living daylights out of them". Save many of the problems of today.
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    8:31pm
    Despite my answer above, I do agree about parents being responsible -
    as many adolescents have grown up without accountability for consequences.
    dougie
    1st Dec 2014
    12:50pm
    Why is it when there is a lost election the pundits all see either Federal or State ramifications? Maybe it is just the way the people are thinking at the time, maybe it does reflect on the other Governments activity or lack of it. Who knows? It is all a guess by those who consider that they are the fount of all knowledge. I will make up my own mind at the appropriate time and with all the current knowledge that I have at my hands. Other peoples so called knowledge is just that - so called knowledge, as is mine.
    Young
    1st Dec 2014
    12:59pm
    Victoria now has Dan the Man to make our education system the best in Australia.
    He said our number plates will be changed to "Victoria the Education State".
    He is going to spend heaps on new schools and facilities.
    Unfortunately the teachers will still be the same,so NO CHANGE to educational outcomes.
    Why not sack incompetent teachers.He said he is sacking ALL the board members of Ambulance Victoria.He sounds like Rudd 2.
    Paddles
    1st Dec 2014
    10:21pm
    Browny

    I am not a Victorian but I was disquieted by a report in today's Daily Telegraph (I know....a Murdoch paper) that the Secretary of the Trades Hall organisation of Victoria was quick off the mark to detail his wishes and intentions for the new Government.
    wally
    3rd Dec 2014
    12:56pm
    It appears that the Victorians are all going to get an "Ejacayshun" all right. So sit back and watch the "Fun" there.
    Travellersjoy
    1st Dec 2014
    1:01pm
    I don't just think they will be a one term disaster, but I do what I can to ensure they are.

    Devious, dishonest and determined to trash democracy here, in favour of multinational corporations, the 1%, the big end of town! the LNP deserve and get no respect. They were elected on a platform of lies. And have no legitimacy.

    The Victorian LNP are just as cozily settled in the IPAs pockets, and are even proposing putting up John Roskam, IPA head honcho, for the LNP. I will not be sorry if they make themselves unelectable thereby.

    The IPA is a union. The BCA is a union. Banksters have a union. Developers have a union. Estate agents have a union. Financial planners have a union. The oil industry has a union. Transport companies have a union. Etc etc. they are all totally committed to enriching themselves at our expense. They all support the LNP. They all oppose paying a fair share of tax in return for the services they benefit from. They all expect public money to pay for most of the operations of their businesses eg training, recruitment, etc. they expect to be bribed to do the right thing by Victorians and Australians.

    These unions have been robbing us blind, and trashing our democratic institutions. They are the "eminence Gris" of the LNP, and must be returned to their kennels, monasteries, and caves as soon as possible so we can rebuild.

    The idea that labour unions are the most serious risk to our democracy is a self serving Murdoch creation. Andrews killed it on Saturday night.

    Abbot, Ayn Rand, IPA, Tea Party, and the religious nutters infesting the LNP have everything to do with the Victorian election, and the next Federal one, whenever it is held.
    Wstaton
    1st Dec 2014
    2:07pm
    Union Membership in 1992 was 43% for males and 35% for females. In 2012 it was 18% for both male and females.

    The majority of union membership is in teachers, nurses and public servants. The sector with the highest union membership is education and training.

    I guess this includes paramedics who are (sorry were) being bullied by the last Vic government.

    So are these nurses, teachers and paramedics these bullies that some in here are talking about? I doubt so.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    2:53pm
    Careful Travellersjoy that those who constantly attack Labor and unions do not put you down. I agree with your views as much as I agree with people to express THEIR OWN views.
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    3:11pm
    Good on you Traveller'sjoy, maybe all those knocking the unions will keep quiet now they realise that people of all parties belong to unions not just Labor. Unions have helped many people over the years, obtain better wages, working conditions etc, maybe even some of them are enjoying, or have enjoyed, the fruits of the unions negotiations.
    wally
    4th Dec 2014
    9:34pm
    The problem with the unions is the apathy of the rank and file. For too long they have just gone along and allowed peer pressure to get them to vote for the officials that look upon their members as a collection of mugs they can exploit for their own aggrandizement. Sure, Bob Hawke was a big union boss, but he was also a Rhodes Scholar and was smart enough to use his power, for the most part, wisely. That was over 30 years ago.
    Today, nobody amongst the union bosses that make up the Labor Party Caucus come even close to Hawke's ability. Most of them are self serving and grasping, have formed factions that promote the interests of the unionists and to Hell with anybody else. Theylet Kevin Rudd become Labor leader and then Prime Minister as long he was a vote winner which kept them in power and their snouts in the trough. When Rudd (who depended on voter support to maintain his position because he did not have any real factional support or genuine friends in Caucus) began to lose ground in the polls in 2010, Caucus turned on him and replaced him with Julia Gillard. She went on to "win" the 2010 election as we all know, but ultimately lost credibility and the respect of the voting public in her craven submission to Bob Brown's demands so she could form government. She was replaced by the once disowned Kevin Rudd as PM as her ratings in the polls fell. So much for the loyalty of the Union bosses in the Labor caucus
    . So what have the union bosses done besides play King (and Queen makers) in Labor Party leadershio? They have steadily and constantly demanded increased pay packets for their members, they have demanded and won penalty rates, overtime and other conditions for their members that have resulted in manufacturers closing their doors and shifting jobs overseas to save money on costs. In short, union bosses' demands have killed the goose that laid the golden eggs for their rank and file union members who have had to find work elsewhere. Do the Union bosses accept responsibility for costing their members their jobs? Nope. the results of their actions have taught them nothing. All they do is blame Tony Abbott for the mess they have created.
    The amazing thing is that so many people in this forum and in the general public have been dumb enough to fall for the irresponsible nonsense coming from Bill Shorten and his unionist caucus cronies and Labor's continual denial of their mistakes of 2007 to 2013.
    Misty
    4th Dec 2014
    9:55pm
    Really Wally?, you want people to work for peanuts so those up the top can get fatter and fatter?
    KSS
    1st Dec 2014
    1:11pm
    Another predictable article and opinion piece giving rise to the inevitable vitriolic rantings against Mr Abbott personally and the Federal Government in general.

    I agree unemployment is an issue mainly due to the cessation of car manufacturing - an unprofitable industry which for years had been propped up by Federal (read taxpayer) funding. But how is cancelling the biggest infrastructure build Victoria has planned going to provide the 10,000 construction jobs promised? How will funding, staffing and maintaining " reverse super trade missions (whatever they are), to bring international business leaders to Victoria, and establish new Victorian Government Business Offices in South America, Turkey and Singapore" benefit the unemployed teenager in Geelong? Are the South Americans, Turks and Singaporeans going to be looking employ our teens, unemployed and retrenched in their countries? Or are they going to be looking to buy up what's left of Victoria, send their own workers here and send the profits back to those countries? How is it going to work?

    Great that Mr Andrews wants to increase training for all. I absolutely approve - education is never wasted, but what is he training those people in? Where exactly are the jobs to be created for which training is needed now to fill those jobs in say three - five years time? Training is terrific but it takes time to produce job ready workers. So where are the new industries and What skills will they need?

    How is he going to create the 100,000 new full time jobs in existing companies? Setting aside $100 million to off set the payroll tax of companies employing the young, the long term unemployed and retrenched workers is not enough if the companies cannot expand to absorb those new workers. Where is the investment in expansion coming from? Oh yes from the Premier's Jobs and Investment Panel who will determine the expenditure of $500 million on jobs and investment. On top of the $200 million investment in pharmaceuticals, new energy, food and fibre, and international education and Transport, defence and construction technology. Transport and construction! The East-West Link for example? Cancelled???? There is almost a billion dollars spending promised by Mr Andrews but how is this going to be funded? Is it all fully costed from the current State budget? It remains to be seen. Mostly it sounds like an open invitation for talk-fests and the unions to regain control of the State.

    I hope for the people of Victoria that Mr Andrews can and does deliver.

    In the meantime; lets hope that NSW benefits from the East-West link cancellation and the Federal Government gives NSW the earmarked but no longer needed $1.5b for Victorian infrastructure, for NSW infrastructure already underway in NSW.
    Anonymous
    1st Dec 2014
    2:11pm
    People forget it is the "private sector" who create the jobs. If there is no confidence i the goverment there will be no more jobs and with mining in a slump where are the jobs going to come from? You cannot bung everyone into the Public Service and the unemployment rate is going to go higher and higher.

    Wait until the screws really have to be tightened then hear the squeals!
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    2:54pm
    More of the same from you KSS. Who are you?
    As you ask the hard questions I see that the same questions do not, and never do, apply to the liberal side of politics. Funny that.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    4:09pm
    I agree Radish,
    Also, I think the private sector actually makes money,
    whereas money from the public service simply gets rotated from place to place.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:05pm
    And here we have trolls backslapping trolls. And then there is the nonsense above. As though the private sector alone develops wealth. I hope you did not buy shares in Medibank Private.
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    5:32pm
    Radish you sound as though you have a grip on reality. Of course private sector create jobs- and this applies to 65% of the workforce where employers have less than 10 employees. Speaking for my own 50 years in proivate work, there are two streams of employees. i. for a public service and one that works hard for every day they are employed. Public service has an uncanny way of looking after the top "brass" yet sacking( redundant) the basic worker. France has a classic case where they employ more people in Public Service than outside- and they are going down the gurgler FAST So where is the sense in shoring up employment with public funds, when we haven't got the balance right ???
    I look forward to some logical answers, not the previous "c***" thanks.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:32pm
    Yeah right Oars. Business ALWAYS sacks its workers. Happened in Telstra several times recently. Happens everywhere.
    As per normal the next round of distortions. The public service at times does go after the fat cats but no surprise that the hand to mouth end is hit first. That' how the jungle works. Ain't people so wonderful.
    Paddles
    1st Dec 2014
    10:31pm
    mick

    " As though the private sector alone develops wealth."

    I let most of your shite go through to the keeper but this one is just too over the top.

    If you acknowledge that there are two sectors, public and private, can you instance a PUBLIC sector that "develops wealth"?
    Nikolai
    1st Dec 2014
    1:34pm
    A typical comment from a labor voter (ie Mick) his comments are the tripe. The thing that amazed me was the number of recorded messages from the labor party I received on my telephone (an intrusion on my privacy) and a lot ofpeople complained about this but what really annoyed me was the fact that caller id showed up as an overseas caller (so much for creating jobs for Aussies the labor party are using offshore calling centres!
    Wstaton
    1st Dec 2014
    2:10pm
    Funny, I did not recieve one.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    2:58pm
    I didn't receive one either Wstaton. If I did I'd be telling whoever to rack off.
    The same tripe we have heard relentlessly from a number of poster Nikolai. Not sure if we have moved from Solomon/Frank, miss aisle to KSS/you and a few others.
    So please explain the way your side of politics is going to produce jobs. No not the generic talk but rather the hard facts. No comment I presume. You have no answer just like Labor has no answer because the truth is that 'jobs' are disappearing fast to third world countries and mechanisation.
    So stop the crap mate and run a debate rather than this tripe!
    Kato
    1st Dec 2014
    3:19pm
    Nikolai Bollocks
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    4:05pm
    It shows what Labor/Unions will resort to......Nickolai
    right, wrong or indifferent.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:05pm
    It shows what a desperate government will resort to. No where to go though. This one is dead in the water.
    Ming
    1st Dec 2014
    1:48pm
    Well, you just wait and see! the Victorian voters can relax and enjoy another term of HARD LABOR! In Canberra the Prime Minister and his team are doing what they can to overcome the excesses of six years of the labor experiment, however Mr Shorten and his friends are refusing to admit their excesses. What chance is there to overcome a problem when the perpetrators refuse to accept that it exists? Heaven help us should we be subjected to another labor experiment in Canberra in the near future.
    Stoker
    1st Dec 2014
    2:06pm
    Yes, Ericjoan & Nikolai, as I see it once the dust settles and the Victorian ACTU Govt. has the reins we should see a big public service employment growth, that will reduce the unemployment #'s and when the cfmeu gets the job for the rail crossings that should all take quite a few year, what with 10 weeks annual leave charter, 4 day a week task triple time on rdo's rostered sickies.
    Sen.Cit.90
    1st Dec 2014
    2:38pm
    This is a genuine question: Who was in Government in Victoria when Victoria was broke; the joke of the times was "you can buy Victoria for a six pack" I'm unable to find the answer on Google.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:01pm
    Go team Abbott.
    "Hard labor" will be no worse than being skinned by the liberal side of politics which only understands giving money to the richest amongst us and taking it from those who cannot even afford to pay their mortgages.
    The same tripe above from: unions, anti-Labor and negative attacks with no solutions.
    We can all see guys. Not working though.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    4:22pm
    Exactly right! Ericjoan.
    Agree with every word.
    EELS
    2nd Dec 2014
    11:26am
    Ditto miss aisle!
    Adrianus
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:09pm
    Heaven help us Ericjoan, heaven help us.
    niemakawa
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:12pm
    It will not happen in a month of Sundays. Come election time in 2016 discerning voters will think carefully about what is at stake and come to the conclusion that Labor is lost and a danger to the Australian way of life.

    1st Dec 2014
    2:06pm
    Put Bill Shorten in come the next election. He has not yet set out how he will bring things under control but he wants the job...give it to him. Let him sort out the mess left by Labor.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:03pm
    I am not sure if Shorten has sorted out giving the rank and file more voting power. this is a start to better government.
    Personally I repeat that the best we could all do is not vote for either side of politics as the bastards need to understand that we are in charge, not them. Sen a message and voters will get respect.
    Keep doing the same Woolies and Coles voting and voters will be used as a door mat. Its up to us all.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    4:20pm
    With Bill at the helm,
    It's straight down the gurgler for everyone.
    He doesn't stand for anything, just likes criticising.
    Adrianus
    1st Dec 2014
    4:43pm
    Radish, Shorten was running the show. He had his hand up the shirt of both Rudd and Gillard. The only reason he is leader is because nobody else wanted the job.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:07pm
    Good one Radish. Bill may not be a panacea but he is no Abbott. I mean anyone in politics would probably be better than this loose canon of lies.
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    5:40pm
    Frank- you are very explicit about Bill's past. Tell me, did he wash his hands afterwards ????
    wally
    3rd Dec 2014
    1:05pm
    mick, regarding you post of 303 pm on Dec. 1. As I recall, the Labor branch rank and file wanted to elect Anthony Albanese as Labor leader. Shorten's Caucus mates over rode the rank and file vote and handed the leadership to Shorten. With this in mind, I doubt if Shorten will be showing any enthusiasm for extending any more influence to the Labor branch rank and file any time soon.
    Democracy can be an unpredictable beast and at times hard to control!
    mangomick
    1st Dec 2014
    2:17pm
    Wake up call to Abbott and should also be a wake-up call to Shorten. When an Independent candidate takes the second safest seat in the Country it surely has to tell Leaders of both parties that Extreme party politics are on the nose in this country and its time they started to work as a team. This B.S of having a TEAM AUSTRALIA and then having Bronwyn Bishop playing the smart ar$e and ejecting so many of the opposition for interjecting might seem cute to her but to the normal every day Aussie who votes it does her party no favours. With the Country just about split down the middle party wise it's time the whole bloody lot of them started to act like a team who have been elected to guide Australia's future. At least Gllard had the skills to negotiate and compromise to get difficult policies through. A skill Abbott and Co seem to lack. I reckon Turnbull would have those skills.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:05pm
    Funny how Bishop is throwing out Labor members isn't it. I don't recall the same degree of bias when Labor was in office. But then Labor fairly shared the foreign embassy jobs whilst Abbott made sure he put his own cronies in. Why is the story so consistent.
    dougie
    1st Dec 2014
    4:33pm
    Maybe Speaker Bishop is being profoundly attacked by the Labor side of the House. As I watch the proceedings I would be prepared to order more of both sides out but more particularly the Labor side. They are using every snide trick in the book to achieve their own ends but fortunately the Speaker is strong. The member for Ballarat is one who should be frequently ejected as is the member for Sydney. Her inane and rude interjections do not enhance the candor nor the respect for women in parliament. They were both part of the handbag gang that first supported Julia Gillard then threw their allegiance behind the interloper Kevin Rudd and this in each instance for their own benefit and not those of the electors.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:09pm
    I am unaware dougie as I do not watch the theatre of parliament. But do you recall the behaviour of Abbott, Pyne, Hockey and Bishop in opposition? Disgraceful gutter politics. I seem to recall that the punishment handed out to the then opposition was not what is happening now. It tells a story about the speaker methinks....and whose side of politics she is acting for.
    Adrianus
    1st Dec 2014
    6:28pm
    I have seen the behaviour in the upper house many times.
    The main offenders are Burke, Shorten, Dreyfus. There is no difference to what you would experienced with a group of 10 year olds in a classroom.
    Each trying to be disruptive and shout down those who are called upon to respond to a question. When Bishop expelled a minister under section 94a, she asked that he be seated then leave the parliament. Burke stood with a school kid grin offering a point of order. "How can he be seated and leave the parliament at the same time?"
    These people should be ashamed of their behaviour!!
    Kato
    1st Dec 2014
    6:43pm
    Frank many will agree with you and that stands for both sides of politics' nothing but a bunch of squabbling rabble who are a complete embarrassment to Australia.
    As a once famous news reader said Shame shame shame
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    1:00am
    Whether Labor is the govt. or the opposition -
    their tactics, attitude, stance,
    is straight out of the gutter.
    John Howard, Peter Costello, or Tony Abbott show more decency &
    definitely more humility.
    Adrianus
    2nd Dec 2014
    8:01am
    Kato, it appears to be only one side.
    Labor just cannot come to terms with the fact that they stuffed up so in typical left fashion it becomes disruptive.
    There is only one side trying to fix the problems and the other side is trying hard to stop them.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:05pm
    Funny how the Labor pollies like to play up in parliament. Bourke and co behave disgracefully with schoolboy antics that is intended to disrupt the orderly procedures in that house. Since they seem to be trying to target and upset Bronwyn Bishop, you could almost call their behaviour misogynistic.
    niemakawa
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:13pm
    Wally, Bronwyn Bishop has their measure, nothing will stop her from being effective in her job as Speaker. Full credit to her.
    wally
    3rd Dec 2014
    12:34pm
    I would like to see Mark "Arm Breaker" Latham in the Speakers' chair. He would be unbiased in that role because he hates everybody, Labor or Liberal. I am sure that he would love to get hold of Tony Bourke or Bill Shorten if they dared to play up under his watch. Unfortunately, Mark has been out of politics for years.
    Aquarian
    1st Dec 2014
    2:18pm
    I can't see a problem with the current government. While I don't agree with everything they do, for the most part they have complied with the two big concerns. The boats have stopped and the carbon tax has gone. Most of the negative rantings now seem to be about housekeeping and I reckon those rantings are from people who can't keep their own house in order. It's pretty simple really: If you don't have the money you can't buy it. I am retired with no mortgage and no other debts because I planned it that way. Too many people want something for nothing. Well guess what .... life is not like that !
    mangomick
    1st Dec 2014
    2:34pm
    Carbon Tax one of the big concerns??? Only if you are a CEO of an Aluminum smelter or coal mine.
    And as for stopping the boats I'd like to see the difference in costs before and after that policy was implemented.
    And as for wanting something for nothing...don't the worst polluting companies want to pollute as much as they like for no cost to them.
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    2:47pm
    How much refund di you receive after the Carbon Tax was scrapped Aquarian?, from what I can gather from my friends, I haven't received mine yet, the amount is negligible and supermarket prices certainly haven't come down. There are 5 empty shops in out town, the first time in the 50 years I have lived here, no one has any confidence in this lying inept government who said one thing before an election and does the opposite after.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:10pm
    Aquarian:
    The Carbon Tax: it was starting to work. That was the problem. The coal industry was going to have none of that. So now taxpayers are forking out $8 billion every year to the coal, oil and gas industry.
    Boat People: they have my vote on that one.
    Spending: you ignore the obvious. First there was GFC where Australians were not thrown out of work. Secondly the deficit has grown significantly since Abbott took office. And thirdly Abbott removed the debt ceiling so that he could spend without limit.
    Your comment seems to lack an objective basis or maybe you just are not aware of the facts. Either way I respectfully have to disagree.
    KSS
    1st Dec 2014
    3:18pm
    Fairs fair Misty. Mr Abbott said he would stop the boats and repeal the carbon tax. He has done both!

    I grant he said other things too, some of which he has done, some not and some still in train. But whether you agree with the policy or not, Mr Abbott HAS done some of what he promised.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:26pm
    A lot of other things. Heaps. 'He lied...."????
    Whilst I will give Abbott credit for stopping the boats we both know KSS that the Carbon Tax was the right policy but that it was killed by the coal industry...just like the Great Barrier Reef will be killed off by the same industry.
    Perhaps in your response to Misty mention the annual bill of $8 billion to the coal, oil and gas industries COMPLIMENTS OF TAXPAYERS. Enjoy the GST increase when it comes. You deserve it.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    4:03pm
    KSS - Just the undertaking of stopping the boats, was a major, major
    achievement.
    We would have had thousands more boat people to look after if Labor was in
    power.
    He & his team are working hard to get other projects through,
    but, the Opposition citicise every word he says & are not helping one iota.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:12pm
    The normal troll behavior. Unlike my comments which blame where it is due we see the ongoing back slapping of the devil with no mention of the faults. The comments of Frank/miss aisle/ Solomon...all the same poster....are not worth even reading as they are cash for comment propaganda.
    KSS
    1st Dec 2014
    9:19pm
    "we both know KSS that the Carbon Tax was the right policy".
    Actually Mick I don't know that. I never supported the carbon tax when it was first mooted and then again when it was brought in. It was quite evident from the beginning that all the 'dirty' producers would do is simply pass on the cost of the tax to the consumer and continue doing what they had always done. No change necessary. With the off set of carbon credits and the customer paying the company carbon tax, there was no incentive for anyone to do anything. Except of course the customer who cut down the amount of electricity/gas they used. The response from the energy suppliers? Up the cost because they weren't selling as much as before.

    So tell me again, just what use was the carbon tax?
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:17am
    Yes, KSS, - use of carbon tax - which didn't help the atmosphere (or the Australian economy) one iota.

    Brought about by using pathetic, political spin, to repay Greens for their votes.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    9:28pm
    Now that the carbon tax is gone, am I the only one whose electricity bill is more than it was a year ago? Tony will tell us that if we still had the carbon tax, electricity would be even more expensive than it already is. The opposition will say that we are being ripped off by the electricity suppliers and got what we deserved by putting Abbott in the Lodge. And the Greens would tell me that I am a 'Pig" polluter, and that I should be lining at one with nature somewhere under a bridge. So once again, I feel that I have not been dazzled by brilliance but instead bamboozled by bull***t.
    Judy in the hills
    1st Dec 2014
    2:26pm
    I really think people are drawing a pretty long bow when blaming the Federal Libs. for the Victorian result. Victoria as far as I know has been mainly a Labor state over the years, so they're probably just returning to their "norm". Of course its also rather DIFFICULT TO SAY THE LEAST for Tony Abbott to keep giving cash out left, right and centre when he was told there was an $18 billion dollar deficit, which turned out to be a $48 billion dollar one. Only a SLIGHT ERROR of $30 BILLION DOLLARS!!!! Which accountancy qualification did Wayne Swan have to make that sort of error??????
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:12pm
    Whether the Victorian result was federally based or not will be seen in the coming year Judy. I have to admit that NSW state Labor was a real shocker and I suspect that even the mass corruption in the Baird government ranks may still not be enough to force this current lot out of government. It will be an interesting year ahead.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    3:55pm
    Judy in the hills, - If Tony Abbott presented an image of being arrogent in the extreme, constantly talking "spin", dodging all questions - maybe, just maybe...
    he would have been seen in a more "pleasing light" by Labor voters.

    They are the qualities that Labor voters understand the best & react positively to.
    Maybe Tony didn't explain (& yell) long enough or loud enough about the massive mess Labor left behind, & why tough decisions have to be made now,
    just to survive!
    Tony may have contributed a little bit to the Vic. outcome, or not, but it
    didn't help by not creating enough fuss.
    Some need to hear things over & over again for it to sink in.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:14pm
    You are right Judy. Abbott is wasting money and running up the deficit. He often avoids answering the question asked and then lies straight faced when caught out by the reporter. He appears to be an expert in this area.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    9:42pm
    mick, Abbott had a solid six years of watching Wayne (the Spinmeister) Swan perform and perfect his "disappearing budget surplus" magic act in parliament and persuaded enough of us that what wasn't really there was!
    After all, if Wayne Swan could get away with this sort of smoke and mirrors deception for six years, (and if your judgement of Abbott's parliamentary performance is correct), I can only say that Abbott was taught by observing the old master, Wayne Swan.
    Adrianus
    1st Dec 2014
    2:36pm
    Let's put the numbers into perspective. A 2.5% swing represents about 82,000 votes on Victoria's 3,500,000 enrolled voters in 2010. However, enrollments for this 2014 election were 3,800,000. An increase of 300,000. How many of those extra 300,000 voters know the whole story? It's interesting that the Greens will probably take the seat of Melbourne off Labor.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:13pm
    So here's the liberal party troll complete with figures from HQ. And trying to tell the normal "liberals good"/"labor bad" tale. Laughable.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    3:42pm
    Enjoy reading your post, Frank -
    So many interesting new facts, & easy to understand.
    I imagine some (most) of the 300,000 new voters do not want to know the whole story
    Adrianus
    1st Dec 2014
    4:32pm
    mick, you should wait for the commission of inquiry into union corruption before jumping to any conclusions on how bad Labor could be. Anyway, they may be off to a fresh start in Victoria, let's just see how they go. Daniel Andrews has told Tony Abbott he will not stand in the way of the inquiry. Andrews has promised to increase jobs but he's not off to a good start by axing the East West Link which puts 7,000 jobs down the drain.
    Adrianus
    1st Dec 2014
    4:35pm
    Thank you miss aisle, I enjoy reading yours as well. I just checked with the Tally Room and found the gap is closing, with around 60% of votes now counted.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:15pm
    I love baiting the Frank/miss aisle/ Solomon characters. it must feel strange writing to yourself Frank. We all know that all of these avatars are YOU. So no credibility mate!
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    5:46pm
    Mick- you are just envious that you hadn't thought of that too. We don't know how many "nom-de-plum"s you have. We're waiting Mick. Here he/she/it comes woooosh- erp !
    Adrianus
    1st Dec 2014
    8:01pm
    mick is an ex Independent Politician, couldn't get past first base. He now works for Getup who are financed by the CFMEU.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:39pm
    Unlike you Frank I am not paid.
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    8:42pm
    Frank, your last post. The person to whom you refer probably has in hand in the till.
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:06am
    mick -
    So you love baiting people who are simply expressing their own personal views?
    Your life style is obviously boring beyond belief if the only way you are able to entertain yourself is telling imaginary lies about others.
    Put up, or shut up mick! Provide proof or put a sock in it!
    You make yourself look utterly pathetic.
    Adrianus
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:28pm
    mick, welcome to the real world where you only get paid if you do the job.
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    2:59pm
    I can't understand why all these people commenting here , who think this site is biased, keep coming back, doesn't make any sense to me.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:16pm
    I can only give you a response from my perspective Misty. I have a life outside of this website but I am infuriated that the discussion from a number of posters, including the one above, is not personal comment but rather cash for comment from paid trolls.
    Once the trolling stops I'll cut back the time I waste on this site and do some of the more important jobs around the house.
    KSS
    1st Dec 2014
    3:33pm
    Cash for comment Mick. You've said this many times before but you have never given any proof. Please, if you have sourced proof of the cash for comment people on this blog please post it somewhere so we can all see it. If you have the application form (for parties of any hue) do let us all have it so we can all add to our incomes.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    3:37pm
    KSS - my sentiments exactly!
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:18pm
    KSS: as if I have a view of the accounts. But I do have proof. Solomon, one of the trolls, stated that he received payment for "services to the Party". But then ask Frank because I reckon that he is Solomon. Not too sure about you but your comments are all falling into the same storyline as well. We'll see.
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    5:49pm
    Once upon a time, before I raed through this site, I convinced myself that I was definitely a bit THICK- but having read some of these "commentators" script, I feel better now. It's like moving from a big pond to a small puddle- and no fish in it.
    KSS
    1st Dec 2014
    7:32pm
    Mick; So no evidence then. That being then case, please refrain from making unsubstantiated accusations.

    There is no need to ask anyone else since it is only you with the constant finger-pointing.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:42pm
    So how long is a piece of string KSS? I have Solomon on record. No comment about that eh? And Frank is also posting with other names. Got that one too.
    I'll make the accusations until those who are here to enhance the government's reputation (I know it has little left) stop and either leave or argue a case rather than back slap one side of politics whilst poo pooing the other.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    11:57pm
    mick -
    Unless you provide proof, stop with the accusations that seem to have
    overtaken your sense of reason & logic.
    niemakawa
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:32pm
    To try and educate you, of course. It is a mammoth task by the looks of it. But as does our illustrious PM so we will prevail, in the end.
    wally
    3rd Dec 2014
    1:12pm
    An interesting admission you make Misty. You must find it all so confusing to have to confront the fact that not everybody is going to agree with you and your point of view.
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    2:02pm
    Not at all wally, I at least keep an open mind not like a lot of the others commenting on here, you and miss aisle would be 2 of the worst offenders, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I acknowledge that the previous Labor government was terrible and let them know in no uncertain terms I wrote to most of the Labor politicians and anyone else who I thought was doing a bad job.
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    2:59pm
    Good on you Misty! I also rage a war on mediocrity. I hope you also acknowledge a job well done?
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    3:59pm
    Frank I will when I see one.
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    4:56pm
    Why is labor standing in the way of releasing children from Christmas Island?
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:02pm
    Frank how do you know they are?, do you have a private link to S Morrison's office?.
    Ritza
    1st Dec 2014
    3:01pm
    Don't care who is in... just get rid of Bronnie Bishop. She is more one eyed than an NRL ref

    Get someone who will keep all of them in line. Our federal Parliament is like a classroom of unruly 4 year olds ( apologies to well behaved 4 year olds)

    PS Christopher Piney Whiney can go too along with Bill Shorten.
    comolass
    1st Dec 2014
    3:16pm
    Exactly my point Ritza
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:17pm
    Arnold Schwartzenegger maybe. No 'pussy' politics from Arnie.
    wally
    4th Dec 2014
    1:32pm
    Let's replace Bronwyn Bishop with Mark "Arm Breaker" Latham. Since he hates 'em all, Labor and Liberal, he would be unbiased. I am sure he would love to get hold of Tony Bourke or Bill Shorten if they played up on him in the House. It is sad that Mark is no longer in parliament, though.
    comolass
    1st Dec 2014
    3:14pm
    I have just looked at all comments thus far on the Victorian political subject. All I will say is that whilst there are some very valid points on either side, there are also a lot of fickle, childlike, unnecessary comments which only emphasises the fact that WE as Australians cannot have a reasonable debate without getting hot under the collar or taking offence to what another person says - just like those in Canberra when I happen to watch TV, on the odd occasion, Question Time - why can't people act like 'grown ups' or have we now come to accept that it is reasonable to expect our politicians to have fisty cuffs or make detrimental remarks. There is no respect anymore, sad but true and its not just the young whom we seem to blame all the time, just what are we teaching our next generation. A debate is good however.............. no doubt there will be people who will now go on and preach something to me about the rights and wrongs of politics - that is ok but please be mindful, we all have a vote and that is our democratic right thank goodness. Surely we all agree to disagree and put our cases forward with some dignity. OK that's all I have to say.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    3:19pm
    I agree. Lets have a debate. And lets not have to put up with those who post the normal attacks. Personally, I am sick of sticking up for a Party I do not even vote for or support.
    Somebody has to keep the trolls honest comolass.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    3:34pm
    You hit the target, comolass.
    Good to hear he pros & cons on a variety of topics;
    And great to be able to take part.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:20pm
    Well that leaves you out miss aisle/Frank/Solomon. I have been waiting for a debate for months but all I ever see from you is the constant congratulations you give to the most hated government in living memory and the ritual "bad unions" and "bad government" rubbish.
    People are seeing though you.
    Oars
    1st Dec 2014
    5:52pm
    Mick- it is YOU that people are seeing through. Tell me. When you face the South, and a Southerly is blowin', which way do you lean? East or West- or does the pressure of such a decision make you fall flat on your face ?
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:45pm
    Why is it that you and your other avatars never debate the facts which make your boss out to be anything other than the image you paint? Not too hard to work out.
    Jurassicgeek
    1st Dec 2014
    3:16pm
    what we dont want is Abbott or his cohorts ,labour and it islamics, PUp and its idiocy.....but who??? treat the people with disrespect and who ever you are ...you wont last long....
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    4:58pm
    What about the perils of Pauline?
    Marten
    1st Dec 2014
    3:31pm
    Unquestionably!
    Paulodapotter
    1st Dec 2014
    3:37pm
    You do get what you deserve. You did miss out on the Greens, Jurassicgeek. Perhaps, they're the only ones making some sense at the moment and it certainly is no surprise their vote increased in the Vic elections, given the morbidity of the major parties and the eccentricities of the PUP and some of the independents.
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    4:11pm
    I agree with Mr Robb's comments. As for Mr Shorten he expresses his usual rhetoric, nothing worth noting. Mr Abbott will remain, rightly so, steadfast in his main task, which is to restore the budget to surplus, and will not be pushed into a corner. An Honorable PM with commitment to stay the course.
    Ming
    1st Dec 2014
    4:35pm
    I am reassured from postings, that the majority of voters are aware of the shallow attitude of Labor. They appear to think that anyone who strives to succeed is fair game but if you are a leaner the government will provide for them from the magic pudding
    Marten
    1st Dec 2014
    4:39pm
    Andrew Robb does not want to blame his federal colleagues, but nevertheless some of his own ranks within the Liberal Party have stated otherwise. I am confident the same will happen in both Queensland and New South Wales next year, and eventually, alas not for another two years, Australian voters will re-elect Labor!
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    4:46pm
    I don't know what universe you are from niemakawa but it isn't this earthly one, Tony Abbott's own people will have him out of that job long before the Australian people get a chance too.
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    4:55pm
    Misty, I have my feet firmly on Terra firma. My mind is not misty.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:22pm
    The usual from you. Nobody is listening to trolls back slapping a bad bad government. Don't waste your time. If you want any respect then debate the facts and figures and the money trail. Funny how that is never permitted.
    Adrianus
    1st Dec 2014
    6:33pm
    Tony Abbott may just become one of the longest serving PMs in Australian History. He has the credentials. He is one of the few PMs who actually listen to people.
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    6:50pm
    Frank you must be from the same universe as niemakawa, whY do you think this govt is doing so badly in the polls?, it certainly isn't because he listens to people, why he doesn't even listen to his own party, last week he and Joe Hockey were not on the same page when it came to the GP Co Payment, RUMBLINGS IN THE RANKS ALREADY I THINK.
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    6:55pm
    Mick, I certainly do not want your respect. You have an obsession with "trolls" and from my experience those that are forever using the same dialogue, as you, yourself do, tells me that you must be one. And what is this money trail to which you refer? It seems to absorb all of your time, maybe you are somewhere on the trail. Who says it is never permitted? You seem to be the "expert" so give names, number, all the inside information that surely you must possess.
    Adrianus
    1st Dec 2014
    7:47pm
    Misty, it's not rocket science!
    People are simple with simple needs, and many are followers not as individual as they may like to think.
    If Labor give a benefit to a group they will be happy with Labor. Likewise if the Coalition ask that same group to now tighten the belt and make a payment toward the cost of said benefit they will reject that on the basis that Labor will not ask for payment. Sooner or later , though Labor will not be able to use "NO" as a policy. Labor's childish rejection of reasonable solutions will come to an end.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:51pm
    Inside information. Only your crew has that.
    The money trail: obvious. Has Abbott made any calls which did not send money to the wealthy or tax average citizens? Not that I can recall.
    1. $8 billion pa to coal, oil and gas. Called the repeal of the Carbon Tax. This is what the rest of the world is working to get.
    2. The Mining Tax. Oh yes...we need to have no taxes on the richest amongst us lest their huge over-inflated pay packets shrink minimally.
    3. The budget. What, you didn't notice that there was a 1.5% comapny tax rate cut? For the rich? With calls for more again?
    Lets not act too dumb niemakawa. You are fully aware of the above because I have highlighted them before. Play your game but it is what it is.
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    8:58pm
    Take care Frank in what you write here, I hope you are including yourself when you call people simple and how do you know what the needs of people are?, we are all different with different needs so don't lump everyone together unless of course you think you come from a different species and are above everyone else. The person who was the greatest user of the word NO was none other then Tony Abbott and team when they were in opposition, Labor is just following suit and who could blame them.
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    9:08pm
    Mick, All the measures taken by the LNP have been for the good of the Country and the economy. Trouble is you are very impatient. The benefits of Government policy will of course flow through to the wider community. That is its aim. Unfortunately Labor et al do not want this to happen so they continue to obstruct the Government, effectively denying Australians of a prosperous future.
    unicorn
    1st Dec 2014
    4:53pm
    I have had nothing but a smile on my face ever since I heard the news on Saturday night. Went to sleep with a big smile & I haven't stopped smiling since I do hope Tony found something to smile about yesterday otherwide he couldn't very well go surfing.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    5:24pm
    Good post. Much better than the paid troll comments which back slap this government. I wish we had some lively debate rather than blues with trolls. Ho hum. Even particolor has departed.
    Polly Esther
    1st Dec 2014
    5:36pm
    Oh dear oh dear oh dear, well we all had a vote, talking of Victorians that is, or if we didn't we will all be fined. And looky here at what has happened, a new government has been elected by the people. Lets accept it, get over it and get on with it, at the same time thanking our lucky stars we don't live in, well lets say for instance some other not as well off country. I can think of a few.
    PS pretty sure things wont be as bad as some might think.
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    7:01pm
    Finally a sensible non biased comment.

    1st Dec 2014
    6:23pm
    Not sure Victorians voted Andrews in as much as we wanted Napthine/liberals out.... Mr Robbie you must face the truth ...we have had enough of Liberal mismanagement ....SAL
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    7:00pm
    Mr Abbott is in no way alarmed, as some critics have indicated. He has his sights on finishing the job. A strong PM and leader. There is no one in the Labor ranks that can measure up to such a task.
    wally
    1st Dec 2014
    7:40pm
    When you look at what the Labor Caucus as presented us with as Prime Ministerial contenders over the last ten years, it makes you wonder which barrel bottom they have been scraping.
    The voters got it right in 2004 when they chose Howard over Mark Latham. (Although Mark might make an impression as a transport minister if his treatment of taxi drivers is anything to go by). Then we had the smiling Messiah who let his smiley mask slip and let his misogynistic side show by abusing the servants. After Kevin got the boot, in came Julia, who agreed to dance to Bob Brown's tune so he'd let her be PM in 2010. She didn't really lie about no government she led would introduce the Carbon tax because Bob Brown and Caucus called the shots and she got to play at being PM. Then she lost the plot (and the polls) and the support of a jittery Caucus. They decided that Kevin wasn't such a bad chap after all, despite all the leaking he did. (And did they really have anybody else to nominate?) So they put him back in the saddle in time to get him steam rollered in 2013.
    So what has the Labor Caucus given us as leader of the opposition? It seems that the rank and file Labor people wanted Anthony Albanese, but Caucus knew better, made a "Captain's Pick" and chose "Zinger" Bill Shorten the Union heavy instead.
    Abbott may not be everybody's cup of tea, but will Shorten increase in stature and generate real policies to mount a credible alternative before the next election? Time will tell. As they say, if a week is a long time in politics, there are a lot of weeks to get through before the next election.
    miss aisle
    1st Dec 2014
    8:58pm
    Accurate look down memory lane...
    Hopefully, voters will remember at our next election.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:11pm
    I hope you're right miss, but do not underestimate the gullibility of the punters when it comes to elections in this country. Especially when you look at some of what our most prolific posters have to say in this forum. "Personality Politics" is deciding whether or not you like the leader of the moment and is a dumb way of voting to see which political party (and which policies they are spruiking) are going to benefit Australia the most for the next 3 years. The political parties do not change much, although the selection process of selecting party leaders sometimes looks like they are playing musical chairs. Do you remember when Alexander Downer was the Libs leader, for example?
    Mar
    1st Dec 2014
    7:23pm
    No, Mr.Abbott is not alarmed, he's SCARED. He's already doing a back flip.
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    7:29pm
    Can you back flip Mar?. Maybe you are not as athletic as our PM.
    wally
    1st Dec 2014
    7:44pm
    Come on Mar. "Budgie Smuggler envy" isn't a good look when you are doing your backflips!
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    9:02pm
    Mar doesn't need to back flip niemakawa Tony is doing enough backflips for all.
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    9:56pm
    Misty, let Mar be the judge of that.
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:56am
    mar - what you see, and what you'd like to see,
    are 2 different things.
    Mike
    1st Dec 2014
    7:25pm
    The Greens. Have you actually looked at their policies. They are not called watermelons for nothing. Green on the outside and red on the inside. They should be banned for misleading young people, pretending they are all for the environment but actually are communists in disguise. I believe they should be in jailed.
    AlbertC
    1st Dec 2014
    7:43pm
    mr abbots life story .LABOR DID THIS LABOR RUNS A GANGSTER CONTROLLED UNION ITS LABORS FAULT THAT THE COUNTRY IS GOING BACKWARDS LABOR ARe COMO ES LABOR LABOR ONLY LOOK AFTER THE UNIONS LABOR ONLY LOOKS AFTER THE ELDERLY I HATE LABOR END OF ABBOTS SPEECH ?!VOTE ME I WILL GIVE MY KIDS FREE EVERYTHING AND UNION PEOPLE NOTHING. with abbot confusion rules ' go labor ;
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:53am
    shouting doesn't help your cause, AlbertC.

    Emphasizing your words doesn't get attention -
    just makes people want to step back.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:12pm
    Methinks that Mussitate has gotten hold of AlbertC's computer, judging from the tone of the post and the over use of capital letters.

    1st Dec 2014
    7:45pm
    after reading all the comments and looking at the pseudonym names of those contributors:
    Misty: His or Her brains are affected by what is called"foggy Brains", can't remember what day it was Yesterday.
    Mick: the man who knows it all, think he is the light on the hill, does not realize it is the moon as his memory refuses to go back more than one day, as is the capacity of his brains, the only word he can remember is "trolls", used in every article, oblivious of the meaning,
    some people want to sound intelligent and as for Paulodapotter, I believe they are the same person, enough is said.
    As for Mar, his pseudonyn of a dog, a dog follows his master, regarding what believes the master has.
    Pom 13, well known for his winging, as I always have said, don't like it, go back to Pommy Land and live to Sharia Laws, don't forget to let us know how You appreciate living there, don't forget Your Neck!
    As for Crazy One, the name says it all.
    All I can say, be happy and lucky to live in a beautiful country, put your shoulders to the wheel and enjoy the great life we have in this blessed and great AUSTRALIA.
    Misty
    1st Dec 2014
    9:06pm
    WRONG, WRONG on my account heemskerk99, don't know about the others
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:48am
    Yes, heemskerk99
    Quite a variety of characters using these threads to air their views.
    We're all entitiled to, but some are clearly 'over the top".
    Adrianus
    2nd Dec 2014
    11:23am
    You can tell who the poms are. They don't realise that u was dropped off Labour, back in 1912. I don't even bother to read the posts with the shouting and name calling.
    Reeper
    1st Dec 2014
    7:53pm
    This needs to be put in perspective; Victoria is, was and always will be a Socialist heartland. Victoria is home to the most militant Unions and of course the ACTU. Every non-Socialist government has struggled and the last one was in the same boat as the current Federal government - drowning in debt from the previous Socialist governments. The past Victorian state government was on a hiding to nothing from day one with basically a hung parliament and a rabble rousing, Union supported, opposition which had no interest in getting the State back on track only disrupting. Some Federal ALP sources went as far as trying to dissuade ALP voters from electing some of the militant Unionists standing for State office. Well, the ALP now has Victoria and it has a hill to climb which is of it's own creation; it has sold itself out to attract Green votes and will soon change laws to advantage Unionism - that will impact on average Victorians and business wanting to operate in Victoria. I see in the press that many, many Victorian families have had long awaited decisions made for them - move! The winners will be Queensland and Western Australia....Victorian will reap what it has sown!
    niemakawa
    1st Dec 2014
    7:57pm
    They come come to WA by all means, provided they make a positive contribution. WA does not need any non-achievers, it already has its fair share.
    MICK
    1st Dec 2014
    8:52pm
    What a joke. If the liberal side of politics is thrown out you claim a "Socialist heartland". So what will you say when this government is thrown out at the next election. Its coming!
    seniorsid
    1st Dec 2014
    9:20pm
    Yes the Victorian voters had, had enough, that is not to say the other State are happy! i think even the most ardent liberal supporter must admit that Tony Abbott is a boy on a mans mission, but where was "Have a chat, Hockey" when the ball was bounced, hiding behind a womans skirt maybe. Joe made the bullets and left it up to Tony to shoot himself in the foot! Not o long ago it was all Joe, now he has gone back to Primary school to learn his tables, he only left the first time when he got too big for his desk!
    Paddles
    1st Dec 2014
    9:27pm
    To answer your basic question, then YES! The Federal Govt must take heed of of this, the first significant election in their term, that they need to do a much better job of selling their policies.

    It is interesting to consider the difference between policies and politics. The words are quite closely related but the underlying meanings are far apart. The Abbott Govt's policies are, in the main, good but they have not handled the politics at all well. In electoral terms, politics gains more votes that policies.

    I hope that the PM casts a critical eye over his front bench because many of them leave a lot to be desired, especially when it comes to fronting the media or the public. The Treasurer particularly, is a bit like the "curate's egg", which was only good in parts.

    I openly admire Tony Abbott but I fear that he doesn't have enough mongrel in him. He is non-confrontational when he should tell the opposition (whomever it may be) to get stuffed. He needs to realise that leadership is NOT about being a nice guy but, rather, about taking the hard, unpalatable decisions that leadership demands.

    The Australian electorate seeks, above all, a strong leader of whatever political stripe and I am afraid that Tony Abbott is not projecting that image domestically nearly as well as he did on the international stage. His potential saving grace is that he is not up against a leader of any substance in Bill Shorten and most people will recognise this.
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:42am
    Agree, Paddles.
    Tony's expertise lies in the planning, doing, & working as a team -
    Doing the hard yards & getting the job done.

    Yes, far too much of a nice guy - not ruthless enough.
    Also agree with your views on "policies & politics"-
    unfortunately, it's true.
    He either has to develop the skills "to get more mongrel in him" or
    pass over the job to a "strong mouthed person".
    Sad, but true.
    Adrianus
    2nd Dec 2014
    11:15am
    Victoria is labor heartland. Home to Union heavy weights.
    They desperately needed a good showing even though it was nowhere near the poll prediction. While the Federal Government should analyse the Victorian result, at the same time it should not forget why it was elected. It is far too early in the political cycle of a first term to be making major changes in direction. The job is still to make the double D look unattractive to the wider community. It's a tough job because the government has so many critics. But these critics are just that! They are not problem solvers!
    I think to some extent Abbott is being overwhelmed by the critics and taken back by the lack of support from his fellow Australians.
    This government is one that really needs 3 terms to return Australians to the prosperity of the naughties.
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    11:40am
    I see your point, Frank.
    Yes, clearly it is too early to make major changes in direction -
    Would do more harm than good.
    Would dearly love to see Tony - stand tall - head held high, despite critics.
    I get carried away sometimes.
    Naughty nineties, were they !
    niemakawa
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:05pm
    Frank. I agree it is nigh impossible to fix the problems left by Labor in one term. Most intelligent Australians would see it that way. Unfortunately the media is obsessed with polls and virtually every few days they keep spouting percentages about who is preferred PM etc. Sadly many voters are easily led, get on the bandwagon and become restless, as can be seen by some posters here, and demanding a change in Government. Mr Abbot and his team were handed a difficult situation by the previous Government and more time is definitely needed to see the results that will be beneficial to all Australians.
    Adrianus
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:34pm
    Ha Ha...thanks for picking that up miss aisle. I usually pride myself on my spelling. I would have liked those 2 to work together in government. Very disappointing they should have a fallout.
    Adrianus
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:47pm
    niemakawa, Labor has cleverly bought the easy votes of the Public Service sector, and welfare recipients. While, at the same time pitching their carefully chosen words to the Anti-authoritarianists. Andrews' ban on drug testing of CFMEU workers and instead suggesting judges should be tested is a great example of this.
    Ahjay
    1st Dec 2014
    9:54pm
    I have to agree with Bes. H.R.Nicholls is dead,The extreme right wingers must accept the wishes of the electorate.
    Paddles
    1st Dec 2014
    10:08pm
    Well!......I've trawled through much of this thread and, to my disappointment, there is no bright shining light that appeared in the firmament. It really is "same old.....same old" slagging off each other with little or no original thinking.

    This site is infested by demagogues and small thinkers

    To the former, I would remind you that there other points of view, honestly held, that deserve the respect of all but that is not to say that such views may not be challenged in a thoughtful and courteous way.

    To the latter, you should crunch a few numbers (if you are able) or have it explained to you the parameters of relevance in any given situation. Those of you who persist in throwing up "politicians salaries and perks" should have the percentage of total Govt expenditure explained to them just what those costs are. It would obviously need to be further explained what the long string of zeros before the cardinal numbers mean.

    All that said, I guess that I take some heart in knowing that you are all thinking (and I use the term loosely) about current affairs that should concern us. That, I suspect, is more than can be said about a large proportion of electors who rock up to the booth and cast their ballot without a thought in their head.

    How else would Victoria have elected a loony Green to their Parliament?
    particolor
    1st Dec 2014
    11:47pm
    AWWWW !! Sorry !! Did Your Favourite get knocked off ??
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:31am
    Well Paddles,
    I think some have the mental capacity to only concentrate on a minute detail,
    and base their vote on that -
    They forget about the overall, bigger picture as they have blinkers on.
    "There's none so blind as those ...."
    The bigger picture involves which party can provide well balanced bookkeeping,
    good security measures, & well thought out plans & decisions that will benefit
    our great nation.
    geomac
    1st Dec 2014
    10:38pm
    Graeme Henchel
    Educator
    Twas on the good ship Tony

    Where all the crew were phony

    They had no clue of what to do

    But make up more baloney

    Captain Tony kept on lying

    Distracting and denying

    Into your eye, he'd tell a lie

    Then lie that he was lying

    The first mates name was PETA

    You wouldn't want to meet her

    She kept a reign on Tony's brain

    And no one could unseat her

    The treasurer's name was Hockey

    A big buffoon, quite stocky

    His budget plan, went in the can

    And now he's not so cocky

    And then there was perfidious Pyne

    An odious man most prone to whine

    This silly smuck has his head stuck

    Up where the sun don't shine

    There was a nasty man called Scott

    Who'd let asylum seekers rot

    A Christian jerk with a vicious smirk

    Like Christ, he sure was not

    The foreign officer was Julie

    Treated asbestos claims quite cruelly

    With her coiffured hair and deadly stare

    She would plagiarise unduly

    The richest guy was Mal

    He'd play up to lefties well

    But his polished prose got on the nose

    When he backed his lying pal

    George Brandis was the legal man

    Though twas pretty hard to tell

    he set his sights on bigots rights

    Now his ego's not so well.

    Then there is Mathias

    He's one of the best liars

    He helped the banks but gets no thanks

    Cos his FOFA laws were biased

    This mendacious ship has run aground

    Their lying powers diminished

    The Murdoch press couldn't fix the mess

    And Tony's time is finished
    particolor
    1st Dec 2014
    11:50pm
    BLOOP ! BLOOP! BLOOP!!
    mangomick
    2nd Dec 2014
    9:04am
    Well Done....Very clever....Bit harder to find something that rhymes with Bishop though. I thought maybe......... The speaker of the House was Big Bron,doing the the speakers job she'd Pong.Then going back to the original verse....She wasn't fit for shovelling sh%# from one ship to another.............
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:14am
    OK, geomac,
    How about one for Labor's immaculate record ?
    EELS
    2nd Dec 2014
    11:53am
    Very telling that you use the CFMEU flag as your avatar.
    geomac
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:04pm
    miss aisle you will notice that the author is listed and as an educator at top of prose nut I gorgot to put The Conversation as the source. Not my verse but its certainly worth sharing

    EELS
    What I find very telling is that you do not know the Eureka flag nor I presume its significance in Australian history.
    EELS
    2nd Dec 2014
    1:34pm
    Don't make assumptions. My education is fine thanks. I know that is the Eureka flag and the adoption of it by the CFMEU is as I said, very telling.
    geomac
    2nd Dec 2014
    3:04pm
    Eels
    You never said it was the Eureka flag. You also made the assumption that I used a union flag as my avatar. Practice what you preach regarding assumptions Eels. My choice of avatar was because of the significance I attach to that flag and the resulting advancement of democracy in Australia.
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    3:23pm
    geomac - 2nd Dec. 12:04
    Of course I noticed the author - what's that got to do with my question?
    I simply asked if you had one for Labor's immaculate record?
    (If you think Libs are bad, what can be said about the other side?)
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:25pm
    It seems that the 1850's Eureka Flag has by pinched by the CFMEU for their own purposes. I liked the poem, too as it is original and clever, unlike a lot of the posts we see on this site.
    Young Simmo
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:19am
    Somebody said to me this arvo that there had just been an election in Victoria.
    I said, "Is that right, I was fairly busy and didn't notice".
    He said "Nothing has really changed, West Australia's GST and Gas and Iron Ore production will keep the bludgers going"
    I said "Oh well, that's life".
    bartpcb
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:58am
    This whining mob of bully boys we have in government at the moment, will predictably start to pretend to drop their policy reversals. They will blame their 'broken promises' on Labor and the minor parties, on a 'falling economy', on adjusting to variable circumstances beyond their control. They are terrified of the 'student backlash', those that are already in Uni and those that are about to turn 18 and want to go to Uni and have just become of voting age. Well they want to be careful of the pensioners too, I'm thinking they've just about had enough of it all also.
    speakup
    2nd Dec 2014
    6:08am
    This is exactly what happens to liars and a Government that tries to take advantage of Pensioners. Beware Newman your next
    Grateful
    2nd Dec 2014
    8:17am
    Isn't the discussion supposed to e about the Party that LOST the election and why?? Governments lose elections, oppositions don't win them. Cause for the loss, just listen to that 45 minute confession yesterday by that cause!!!
    wally
    4th Dec 2014
    9:00pm
    Respondents that link the Liberal loss in Victoria to an impending Coalition loss in the 2016 Federal election and say that Abbott & Co are finished are indulging themselves in wishful thinking.
    Seagull
    2nd Dec 2014
    9:01am
    To All The Luvvies, Leaners, Bludgers , whingers the day of reckoning is coming either entitlements are reduced for people who earn more than $75000 , or the government will get the benefit of bracket creep. That is inflation forces people into a higher tax bracket, when that happens the workers will start to scream. The simple fact is we are not living with in our means. My question to everyone do you have a household budget and do you spend more money than comes into the household ?
    miss aisle
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:11am
    Always worked with a budget, Seagull.
    Important now, but extremely so in my "lean" years.
    I worked out how much needed to be put away, each week, for all bills -
    (even the yearly ones) -
    Out of every pay, a certain amount was not touched -
    Always had bills paid on time.
    Certainly didn't arrive at that concept from Labor's bookkeeping.
    Grateful
    2nd Dec 2014
    11:04am
    Seagull, if you look at the thresholds for the Assets, Income tests and Health Benefits cards, you will immediately see how so easily a huge expense could be removed.
    They call "welfare" a huge drag on the Budget, but 3/4 of that "welfare" is paid to people who don't NEED welfare!!! How much of that "welfare" is spent on annual overseas trips and cruises, new cars, lunches and dinners in restaurants, new clothes, new furnishings etc etc, when "welfare" was only meant to provide food and shelter for the genuinely needy!!!
    niemakawa
    2nd Dec 2014
    11:24am
    Grateful. I think the thresholds are reasonable. Would you deny people the fruits of their sacrifices over the years? Look at the other side of the coin. Many receiving welfare have squandered their money without giving any consideration to their future needs. And you want me to feel sorry for them? Definitely not.
    wally
    2nd Dec 2014
    1:31pm
    What will Mark Scott and the other ABC fat cats do? Will they take cuts in pay to keep good old "Auntie" going, or will they take the knife to the most popular programs so they can blame Abbott's ABC cuts for the demise of these shows?
    Adrianus
    2nd Dec 2014
    1:42pm
    Typically, they will take the axe to regional services.
    Misty
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:28pm
    Seagull why not mention the PPL while you are about it and tax benefits for high income earners super, fairs fair as someone else said on this post.
    Hawkeye
    3rd Dec 2014
    2:13am
    I see Miss Aisle, so you never went in hock for a house or car or anything. You must have been rich. No wonder you love Tony so much.
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    8:37am
    I'm not sure about the bracket creep Seagull, but it is irresponsible not to reign in spending and waste. There are many who lack the intellectual capacity to understand the impact of a fiscally reckless government and attempt to justify the profligacy with analogies of their own personal spending habits. We saw the damage caused by the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government and nobody but the unpatriotic wants a return to such idiocy.
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    8:47am
    Misty, I object to the Abbott PPL. I object to the existing Labor PPL as well which pays all eligible mothers the minimum wage (currently $622.10) for a maximum of 18 weeks, totalling just over $11,000.
    I also object to the existing Public Service PPL scheme which is the same as Abbott's PPL. It's interesting that those who object the loudest are the ones already receiving huge benefits such as those at the ABC.
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    9:25am
    Frank is there anything you don't object too?
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    9:39am
    Why? What do you have in mind? he he he
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    9:43am
    Hawkeye,
    How did you come to the conclusion that I'm rich?
    One of my bills was a mortgage,
    But saved up for cars - have always bought secondhand.
    Never been rich, but lived within my means.
    The political party which is able to live within its means, gets my vote.
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    9:45am
    Frank -
    Those naughty nineties coming back into view eh ?
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    10:29am
    miss aisle, didn't you know? Only the poor and ignorant vote for Labor? Otherwise it becomes harder to claim under dog status and victimisation. When the last Labor PM claimed to be a victim, it refreshed the mindset, and underdog status was returned to Labor. The naughty nineties was the Abbott and Costello movie which begged the question, "who's on first base?"
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    10:47am
    Your words make it easy to understand how many Labor voters arrived at that mentality, & then identified more with Labor policies.
    Oh, that classic - thanks for pointing it out!
    niemakawa
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:55am
    Two days since Labor took control in Victoria. Is there still any money left in the bank?
    geomac
    2nd Dec 2014
    12:16pm
    Labor left big Ted a healthy surplus and credit rating kawa. They left it without slashing TAFE or ignoring the bush. Ted got knifed and Naphine was left to carry the carcase and revive the road link because Abbo said he would only fund roads. No business case made public and rush to sign weeks before election kicked off. Even the Nats lost Shepparton , a stronghold to an independent. May lose party status in parliament. The drawback of coalition with libs.
    toot2000
    2nd Dec 2014
    1:50pm
    Tony Abbott looked genuinely shocked when Carl Stefanovic said today "no one is buying what you are selling" and you were pretty "feral when in opposition, weren't you?" If Tony doesn't start taking notice of Liberal voters like me, he will also be a one term wonder.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-declares-labor-feral-during-morning-tv-blitz-20141201-11y2sl.html
    Young Simmo
    2nd Dec 2014
    4:44pm
    NEWS UPDATE.

    No Nativity Scene in Canberra this Year

    The Supreme Court has ruled that there
    cannot be a Nativity Scene in the nations Capital this Christmas season.

    This isn't for any religious reason.
    They simply have not been able to find Three Wise Men in Canberra ..

    The search for a Virgin continues.....

    There was no problem, however, finding enough donkeys to fill the stable.
    niemakawa
    2nd Dec 2014
    4:45pm
    Thanks Young Simmo, a classic.
    wally
    3rd Dec 2014
    1:14pm
    It has been so long ago that you could find 3 wise men in Canberra that the concept has been long forgotten.

    2nd Dec 2014
    7:59pm
    further to my observations on the pseudonyms:
    GEOMAC
    Claims to be an educator, is it any wonder our KIDS don't know what the the EUREKA FLAG stands for.
    Mangomick: Still in the fruit trees as are his brains, a big stone and very little substance, as for Labour leaving a surplus, could You tell me why we are paying for the more than a million dollars a week to pay for Labour's surplus on the DESALINATION PLANT, and yes this is for the next 20 years.
    Speak up: When was the last time You received over $ 400.00 a week to sit on Your fat ass, as for Tafe, how many call themselves students when over the age of 45?
    It's time we all forget me, me, me and be as our forefathers, who were proud to be called AUSSIES, and as the world remember us, proudly, I AM A AUSSY, and the world looked up to us.
    geomac
    2nd Dec 2014
    10:58pm
    I provided the author of the verse and the source , The Conversation. I did not claim to be the author and in fact stated it was not my verse in reply to miss aisle. I have never seen aussie spelt aussy but maybe it has a new meaning known only to heemskerk ?
    Geomac is the joining of my first and last names plus my use of a Mac computer and a Graeme Henchel would hardly use a moniker if he puts his name up on The Conversation comments section. Common sense as they say is not always common.
    mangomick
    3rd Dec 2014
    2:44am
    Sorry heemskerk ...You appear to be a clown and not worthy of any real dialogue..
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    9:13am
    Heemskerrk we don't need people like you who make abusive and insulting comments on this site, Your fat ass for eg, I can understand people with totally committed views about their choice of political party and will stick up for them no matter how bad they are but that doesn't give anyone the right to make abusive and insulting comment on here. No one knows what anyone's level of education is, what their working background is or the state of their finances and should not be making assumptions about any of these things, Time everyone had a Bex and a good lie down I think, now I am showing my age with that last remark, does everyone remember that ad?.
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    9:56am
    geomac
    As usual, sidestepping again.

    Seeing you showed a poem about Tony Abbott,
    I asked "Where is one about Labor's immaculate record"?

    You replied "not my verse" ....
    What's that got to dot with it? I know it's someone else's work.
    You find it hard to answer a question directly, don't you ???
    Don't answer that.
    geomac
    3rd Dec 2014
    12:12pm
    miss aisle
    I have not the will or the talent to write verse and not my verse means you should request the author at The Conversation. Mind you he would be like us , comments after an article. I don,t find answering questions directly hard at all but I think you have a hard time accepting answers that don,t suit.
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    12:58pm
    Well, I definitely think you do, geomac.

    The only thing I mentioned was - how about showing a poem about Labor ??
    Absolutely nothing about who wrote what ??
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    2:34pm
    heemskerk99? is that a pinot noir?
    Young Simmo
    3rd Dec 2014
    3:02pm
    miss aisle, I would write a poem about Labor but, Life Choice's would permanently ban me from the site when I gave Labor an accurate description.
    In a nutshell, I couldn't describe them without swearing.
    What's that old saying, "The truth hurts"?
    If EGG-HEAD stopped rubbishing people, and started saying what he would do to fix the country up, maybe the odd person would listen to him for a few seconds.
    miss aisle
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:40pm
    Young Simmo - that bad heh??
    Feel like getting pen to paper myself...
    But as usual, there'd always be a bigger outcry, when Labor is criticised.
    Liberals can take it - they're tough.

    3rd Dec 2014
    3:46pm
    My sincere condolences to the people of Victoria.
    Swayed by labor lies.
    Mark my words, the state of the economy if Victoria caused by labor mismanagement will favor Abbot come federal Election Day.
    A blessing in disguise . In the short term though the good people of Victoria will suffer
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    4:52pm
    There are only 62% of votes counted. The 2 little old ladies counting say it will be a while before the results are known, but go ahead and keep the state 'on the move.'
    Melbourne has a massive desalination plant capable of delivering 300 litres of water daily per person so no problem if you want to continue with the old plates of 'garden state', but I suggest get rid of 'the place to be' plates while they are worth a dollar.
    while the Education state plates hopefully will be ready in this term of government.
    Anonymous
    3rd Dec 2014
    4:58pm
    Are you talking to yourself Frank?
    I read somewhere that crazy labor loonie, muck , has been saying you and I are one and the same.
    He's gone bonkers from years of sucking off the welfare teat
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    7:26pm
    He has gone a little crazy. I have been taking it easy on him because I felt sorry about his situation. He had new neighbours move in and they held raunchy all night parties, which drove mick looney. It got that bad he had to go into early retirement and to top it off he's been doing all this work for GetUp and they refuse to pay him!

    3rd Dec 2014
    3:50pm
    Meanwhile back in Canberra, labor are blocking every initiative by this government to repair out basket case fiscal position.
    Even previous labor policies are now blocked. Shorten is devoid of any principles or moral conscience. Labor is selling Australia's future.
    The traitors should be held for treason
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    3:54pm
    Just giving back to the Abbott govt what they gave to the Gillard/Rudd govtt so blame Tony Abbott and co for this, they started it and have no one to blame but themselves.
    Anonymous
    3rd Dec 2014
    4:00pm
    Not true. Abbot was always against the carbon and mining taxes. LNP voted on LNP policies.
    Labor in the other hand are just being obstructionist. They fiddle while Australia burns
    niemakawa
    3rd Dec 2014
    4:00pm
    Labor and especially Mr Shorten have never possessed any principles that actually help ALL Australians. Labor have done so much damage to Australia's future already. The LNP are our only chance to reverse this trend. Labor know this to be true, but have not and will not admit to their failures 2007-2013. Labor will be annihilated in the GE 2016. They are hanging on for dear life for now.
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    4:07pm
    Then how do you explain the fact that the LNP is down in the polls and Labor ahead?. Please explain niemakawa.
    Anonymous
    3rd Dec 2014
    4:07pm
    Can you imagine Shorten as PM?
    What a joke. A backstabbing weasel as PM.. Australia would be the laughing stock of the world. A banana republic
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    5:02pm
    No I cannot!!
    His party don't trust him.
    Let's remember, the only people missing from that useless mob is Rudd and Gillard.
    Shorten was calling the shots as delivered by his union bosses.
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    5:07pm
    Really Solomon and you think that mumbling, ahhing PM we have now is not a laughing stock?, puts his foot in it nearly every time he opens his mouth, not any wonder PC and BL have such a tight control of his office.
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    5:11pm
    Misty, labor should always be ahead in the polls, and by a fair margin.
    Coalition voters are productive, industrial, busy people and don't have time for surveys. If you recall before the Vic election Labor was up 7% so how is it that the Tally room is only showing a -1.6% swing against ? And this in Labor's Union heartland!!
    niemakawa
    3rd Dec 2014
    5:22pm
    Misty. The polls are conducted asking leading questions. Those surveyed have to say yes or no to the questions asked. Average poll probably around 1,000 people. Are these polls verified and scrutinised before release, I doubt it. They are merely there to confuse some in the electorate, maybe you are one of those people, who will panic and assume that they should vote for the leader or party who comes out on top. I prefer to vote at the "real" poll on election day. That is the best and only barometer that is accurate. Mr Abbott, himself, recognises that the Polls have him and is party at a lower percentage, but is is not perturbed ( rightly so) by this. He likes a challenge and he has many ahead of him, the main one realising his main aim to restore some credibility to the deficit. He is a patient man and will not be sidetracked by some spurious Poll. I would like to add my own survey. Many are saying that Mr Abbott will be replaced of leader of the LNP sooner rather than later. Personally I cannot see that happening. However discounting that who which party do you believe will be the first to change leadership before the next election. Mr Abbott or Mr Shorten?
    geomac
    3rd Dec 2014
    5:45pm
    Frank
    As I recall it was 52-48 in favour of Labor pre election. Overall Labor got a swing of 3.6% and in my electorate of Morwell it was 11% against a Nat , Northe. With a large demographic of over 65s your productive people notion does not hold water and is a bit silly in any case. Wishful thinking ? Five or six electorates that were Labor were made notionally Coalition by boundary changes and Shepparton a Nat stronghold for many decades fell to an independent.
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    5:53pm
    Frank where did you read that?, I Googled the Vic Tally Room and could find no record of the swings either way, Labor has won 48 seat out of the 88 so can govern in their own right.
    geomac
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:03pm
    Misty

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/vic-election-2014/results/electorates/
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:09pm
    Liberals of course.
    niemakawa
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:16pm
    Misty so that is 1-1. Anymore predictions from other posters?
    Misty
    3rd Dec 2014
    6:25pm
    Frank I just looked up on the ABC website that geomac so kindly provided and the results are as follows.
    Liberal - 1.9
    National-o.3
    Labor + 1.8
    Greens -0.3
    Others +0.7
    So where did you get your figures from?, I think you are confusing the Liberal figures with Labor's, wishful thinking perhaps, mind you this was 4 days ago and Labor has gained 3 more seats since then .
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    7:08pm
    You can refer to your bible, the ABC, if you like but I got my figures direct from the tally room where the 2 little old ladies have knocked off for the night now and will continue the count again tomorrow. As I said nothing like the 7% swing the polls were showing.
    Anonymous
    3rd Dec 2014
    7:28pm
    I thought the funding cuts would have been enough to sway the ABC to the centre.
    No such luck, the monkeys at the ABC are all swinging on vines on the left of the jungle
    Adrianus
    3rd Dec 2014
    7:53pm
    The ABC is out of control Solomon. They have announced the sacking of 400 to 500 and they are pulling regional services. I guess the ones in the Nationals safe seats.
    500 employees at $60k pa each plus 50% on costs, I make that a saving of $45m pa. Now lets see. What was the amount they needed to cut back on??? They think the average Aussie is an idiot. And they could be right.
    wally
    4th Dec 2014
    1:07pm
    Hi Misty. Thank you for your research effort posted @ 625 on the 3rd. It would appear that aside from the fact that the Victorian Libs got the boot, the overall figures suggest that statewide not much has changed as far as voter preferences statewide are concerned. Of course the results in each seat would show greater swings in voter preferences, but we all know that. mick should be pleased and encouraged that an independent gained a seat in the Vic election. Let's hope this independent turns out to be a "good 'un" and not just another obsessive one issue ratbag!

    3rd Dec 2014
    4:11pm
    Meanwhile in today's news. 145 IT jobs in defence to go. Work outsourced to US giant Lockheed Martin.

    Excellent - best news I've heard all week

    Defence back office is a shambles. Billions have been wasted in new and legacy systems. Time to outsource and let private sector efficiency lead the way to increased productivity and lower costs
    Not Senile Yet!
    8th Dec 2014
    2:31am
    Doesn't Matter......PM Abbot won't listen.....he has been given an agenda to follow by his Party Machine......he has no alternative but to obey.....or be replaced!!!!
    Liberal or Labour.....you the voters have been conned by both the Big Parties that they are the only choice!!!!
    Not True!!!
    If just 50% of the Voters voted Independent....neither Big Party could Govern in their own right.....they would have to form a Coalition with the Independants.....and to do so.....they would have to compromise their ABSURD Right & Left Wing extreme Policies!!!!
    They would BOTH Loose control of the Power to FORCE their Parties' views on the electorates......just the thought of same.....makes me excited!!!!
    Just the thought of BOTH Parties loosing Control over the Parliament......losing control of demanding their priorities be upheld!!!! Ooooh what a thought!!!!
    Maybe then we might see some original Solutions and thoughts about how to Advance Australia Fair......as well as how to provide the average citizen things like......a decent wage....less inflation....protection from imported cheap products when they are already made here and to a higher standard of quality!!!!
    Vote all these Party Puppets into Oblivion!!!
    mangomick
    8th Dec 2014
    9:56am
    Good point Not Senile Yet... I agree with you whole heartedly....But the fact that you posted a week after all the discussions occurred makes me think you might have to consider changing your non de plume :-)
    Adrianus
    8th Dec 2014
    10:24am
    Not and mango, have you both gone bonkers?
    Are you saying it is better to be led down the garden path by the likes of Lambie and Muir, who incidentally, have the support of less than 40,000 voters?
    A decent wage? Less inflation? No FTA's, High import duties?
    You have been listening to the left propaganda. You cannot have everything in the real world. They just tell you that to get your vote. No wonder you are both frustrated.
    Misty
    8th Dec 2014
    11:19am
    Frank I think it's time you took a Bex and had a good lie down, you will probably need it after the polls over the weekend and today's news about Julie Bishop at odds with the PM, also Coco Cola putting off 250 workers, changes to his signature promise, the PPL, this government is coming unstuck day by day by the look of it, nobody believes Tony Abbott any more trust has gone out the window.
    Adrianus
    8th Dec 2014
    1:17pm
    Misty, why are you so gleefully pessimistic? I would wager that you are also unhappy about the massive drop in fuel prices? And the drop in the $AUS exchange rate?
    Is Julie Bishop, or anyone else for that matter, not allowed to disagree with the PM?
    There are another 250 workers who are working on the East West Link about to lose their jobs. Are you also happy about that?
    I don't know where you are getting your information but to say "nobody believes Tony Abbott any more" it must be from some leftist nutjob with an axe to grind.
    Thanks for the advice about the BEX but I would rather get help from a Doctor than a nurse who hasn't nursed for 25 years and I already take an aspirin every day.
    I cant help myself :)
    People who are optimistic are happier people. You spent most of your life pushing that concept (didn't you?), why change now? :)
    Misty
    8th Dec 2014
    2:07pm
    Frank I am not getting information from anywhere but Sky News and their Agenda Programs, the polls over the weekend have shown TA is very unpopular and less trustworthy then Bill Shorten, mainly due to his broken promises. These are the opinions too of Michel Kroger and so many journalists who have been speaking to Coalition members and getting their feedback. Even Channels 10,9 and 7 have been reporting on this today so maybe you haven't caught up with the news yet. Oh and by the way the latest research seems to suggest that the negatives outweigh the positives when taking daily Aspirin, especially if you are inclined to have ulcers, my GP has stopped mine and I don't have ulcers of any kind.
    mangomick
    8th Dec 2014
    7:53pm
    No Frank
    What I'm saying is i think there are a lot of talented people out there who have the skills ,talents ,integrity and drive to lead Australia in the right direction.
    I don't think a half baked journalist who was part trained in the priesthood has the kind of skills that I believe can lead Australia into the new millennia. And I don't believe he has the sort of integrity that would enable him to say no to the multi-Nationals who have funded their campaign and have deposited big bucks into party coffers.
    As Don Chip once said,Someone needs to keep the Ba$tard$ honest.
    Sailsau
    8th Dec 2014
    9:50pm
    What Australia needs is a clean broom. These people that have held office in our political systems for decades need to be expelled. I am sick and tired of the term "Safe Seat". Talk about taking the Australian people for granted! If everyone in Australia did not vote for the sitting member the political face of Australia would change overnight and the pollies would realise that the people of Australia have the say not a political party controlled by the unseen.


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