Seniors shoplifting on the rise

New crime figures show shoplifting among seniors has risen by 20 per cent in the past year.

Newly released crime figures show a rise in shoplifting among the senior population. Figures from 2012/13 show a 20 per cent increase last year for accused shoplifters over the age of 60 in Victoria. Of the 674 accused, 411 were aged 60-69, 200 were aged 70-79 and 63 were aged 80 and over.

Council on the Ageing (COTA) chief executive Ian Yates believes that as our population continues to age, the number of seniors stealing can be expected to rise.  Mr Yates explained that the thieves may be under financial stress, suffering from the early stages of dementia, or have a lifelong habit of stealing.

A recent crime report estimates that Victorian shoppers paid nearly $200 million in higher prices to cover an estimated $560 million a year in shoplifting losses. Clothing, mobile phone products, batteries, razor blades, alcohol and perfume are among the top items shoplifted.

Read more from HeraldSun.com.au

Opinion: Tougher times mean more crime

The road ahead for many Australians approaching retirement age and currently in retirement isn’t all smooth sailing. As revealed by Kaye Fallick yesterday in her article Australians underfunded for retirement, Australians are facing a 13-year retirement savings shortfall, placing us as the country with the 11th widest savings gap of the 15 surveyed. With this information at hand, it is little wonder that shoplifting among the senior population has increased.

As our population continues to age, the crime rate and number of seniors caught shoplifting is naturally expected to rise, but the 20 per cent jump this year is a dramatic increase. As surveillance technology improves and becomes more widespread over the next decade, I would expect to see a significant year-on-year increase in the number of seniors caught shoplifting.

What do you think? Are cost-of-living pressures to blame for the increased rate of shoplifting among seniors? Are you surprised by the figures? 





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    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    10:46am
    There should be a National Competition for... Oldies Five Finger Discount. King or Queen !!.
    "What's in the bag ??"
    "Hot Food and My Light Bill !!"
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2015
    1:20pm
    Could it be the oldies are being caught, because they can't run as fast as they used to?? [;-)

    Just about all the shoplifters I've seen filling their bags and pockets, are backpackers!

    In the North of W.A., the store owners are furious about the amount of backpacker food theft!

    They have huge shoplifting warnings in about 6 languages on every shop window, aimed specifically at backpackers!
    MICK
    22nd Jan 2015
    3:20pm
    It looks to me like this is a beat up particolor as there were no statistics given for the broader population.
    The real problem is people and the attitudes of a growing number of us that we can do what we like. With that comes the flawed reasoning of what is a crime and rights. Last throw in the judicial system which is a joke. Only 2 days ago I saw a story where a young punk had seen no jail times despite having been before the courts a coupe of dozen times with some very serious crimes. And you wonder why the crims are laughing at us all?
    Polly Esther
    22nd Jan 2015
    4:48pm
    Aaron... your first sentence is a classic, thankyou. love it. I had it in mind to comment somewhat similar. No need now.
    and mick.... please don't include me in the 'growing number of us with the I can do what I like attitude', definitely not so as he said jokingly with a smile, but I do get your drift my friend. You are pretty much spot on with what else you have to say. Unfortunately your 'young punk scenario' is being played out far too often these days right across our nation.
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:26pm
    None of these Items listed up there sound anything like a Pensioner would Swipe ??
    When they bring in Sharia Law there will be a lot of one handed Arabian Knights getting about !!
    biddi
    23rd Jan 2015
    2:09am
    Aaron : and did you hear about back-packers begging?
    particolor
    25th Jan 2015
    1:25pm
    Nice Jeans that Guy is spiriting away up there !!
    Precious 1
    29th Jan 2015
    10:53pm
    Well this stream is the funniest I`ve read for years...indeed...I rang coles this afternoon cos I swore I had left a fruit cake behind...I had the receipt and rang em and they said they remember something ab out a fruit cake but it wasn't in their lost and found book anyway take the receipt in tomorrow and retrieve another cake..In the meantime I double checked the fridge and opened a grey plastic bag with a large lettuce in the top and lo and behold there was my fruit cake under the the lettuce....Now I ask you good ladies and gentleman who is the fruit cake now..........hahah
    particolor
    30th Jan 2015
    12:15am
    Well Id be two Fruit cases and go and get the Freeby !!

    22nd Jan 2015
    11:05am
    Not many comments today perhaps a few guilty consciences
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    11:14am
    I swiped a Penny pencil in Coles when I was 5 !! Got My Bum Smacked and never did it Since !! World Record ?
    Carole
    22nd Jan 2015
    12:43pm
    I swiped a chewing gum when I was about the same age. Was terrified my mum would catch me chewing and smack my bum so I also gave up crime at an early age.
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:02pm
    Yeah well I've never stolen a Pencil since !!
    Misty
    23rd Jan 2015
    11:50am
    I too took a ceramic dog from someone's front step when I was 4, 73 years ago and had to walk about 2 miles as it was then to put it back. I was petrified the owners would come out and catch me, it was a good lesson I can tell you.
    particolor
    23rd Jan 2015
    1:22pm
    My favourite is Stealing someone's Garden Gnome and sending them Pictures of it from all over the World !! What a Happy little Gnome !! .. (Here's Fred at the Eifel Tower !!)
    Precious 1
    29th Jan 2015
    10:55pm
    Nah good man...brain cells not as good as they were so nothing much to report and making up stuff isn't really in the over seniors line is it ????????
    Precious 1
    1st Feb 2015
    5:09pm
    Parti ..well most would have done.......
    Paulodapotter
    22nd Jan 2015
    11:26am
    There is always a correlation between hard economic circumstances and crimes of theft. Perhaps governments need to focus their attention on improving Quality of Life as opposed to the bottom line. Standard of Living and Quality of Life are two very separate issues. The disparity between the rich and needy is increasing at a shocking rate with 1% of the Australian public owning 50% of the wealth. Pensioners are the first to suffer when governments tighten the purse strings. We can expect to see shoplifting by pensioners continuing to rise and good on 'em. In Germany in the 70s it was not an offence to shop lift food. It was called in German, "Mouth Stealing" and was deliberately decriminalised to protect the poor and starving, a result of the aftermath of WWII. I know of instances of pensioners eating pet food out of cans, though nowadays pet food is often more expensive than bully-beef.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2015
    11:29am
    Well said paulodapotter; I would be interested to know WHAT the oldies are stealing
    Hillbillypete
    22nd Jan 2015
    6:18pm
    Pet food is very nice on toast with pepper and salt! but you have to be careful what brand you get.
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:04pm
    Pal Shepherds Pie is OK !!
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:27pm
    PS.. I've heard ?
    greygeek
    23rd Jan 2015
    1:28am
    There is absolutely no need for pensioners or any one else to resort to tinned pet food! It is expensive! We have a dog and every 10 weeks I cook up "mutt loaf". I buy all "fit for human consumption" quality food/ingredients, which includes 3 star beef mince, lite greek yoghurt, eggs, sunflower and pumpkin seeds, mixed vegetables and whole wheat pasta. Plus seasoning such as minced ginger, soy and or chilli sauce I puree all the ingredients except meat, then place in lined baking dishes and bake for 1.5 hours. The result, a delicious tasty nutritious inexpensive meat loaf! Our dog gets 100 grams per day with 1 cup of biscuits, yet this meat loaf works out at 60 cents ingredient cost per day! People could make this and freeze portions, serve with some mashed potato and have a nutritious healthy meal. Oh, I forgot, turmeric as well, as the ginger and turmeric are good anti inflammatories and the seeds provide good oil for the skin etc.
    Young Simmo
    23rd Jan 2015
    1:37am
    greygeek, thanks for the tip mate, but I think I will stick with my packet of Cashews, and 2 blocks of VB.
    Just for the taste, bugger the goodness.
    Misty
    23rd Jan 2015
    11:52am
    I think they are funning greygeek although I have heard people have done it.
    particolor
    23rd Jan 2015
    12:42pm
    ITS TRUE Misty !!.. That's why the Pension is a Tad Better today ! Get an old Adelaide Newspaper, Dunno which one ,Years back ?? And Pensioners in Glenelg SA were actually eating pal ??... YUMMO !!!
    particolor
    23rd Jan 2015
    12:54pm
    PS ..There is a bit more to that story, but I wont put it here for fear of being called a Racist or something just as stupid !! .. But that's how the Pal Burger story got started !
    Anonymous
    25th Jan 2015
    12:23pm
    Pensioners at my local supermarket buy good meat not dog food. I think that is a fallacy to be quite honest. Many great meals can be made without spending a fortune.
    particolor
    25th Jan 2015
    1:39pm
    Radish.. I'm going back into the 60 's something with that one and ITS TRUE So Help Me !!.. You've made me spit some more of it out ! One, I'm not sure it wasn't more ? Hamburger joints were fined for putting Pal in the Burgers instead of Meat Pate !!.
    Precious 1
    29th Jan 2015
    10:58pm
    Some seniors save most of their pensions especially if they a large home in good nick the family will always keep it all up straight and running well cos of their inheritance...so long as Mum or Dad doesn't marry again.....My Mum married at 82 the second time and became wealthier than ever...However she left it all to the Cancer Funds Uk...I laughed so much I never worried about contesting anything....true story...............lawyers were always after me to do so........
    professori_au
    22nd Jan 2015
    11:29am
    I am not surprised there is an increase. Some of the oldies I speak with also tell me that they raid the skips for bread, fruit and vegetables to survive on.
    As this federal government continues to consider ways to reduce the pension entitlements including the support and discounts levels many people sink lower into desperations and stress. How many among the older people seek relief through suicide. There does not appear any research being done in that field or it is not available to the public. Poverty is no longer the trendy thing for governments. However, terrorism and war are. Australia continues to boot link the USA. We need a return to lawful government, (The people) and not be governed by foreign corporate powers. People tell us we need a new constitution. However, I would point out that it is not the constitution that is fault. It is the basis of a common law system and not commercial law. We used to proudly speak of our community attitudes and giving the other "fella" a fair go. Local communities and the municipalities put into system that looked after the sick, frail old and vulnerable. In the country town I grew up in when someone was in need the town and farming community got together. If children needed care while the parents were ill or going through a particularly rough spot then someone would take them in or it would be shared by several people. We also has the Oslo for children to at least have some food during the day as it was found that many do not have anything to eat until they return home at night. We had a sound dental system that delivered care to the schools. Geelong where I am now could be doing so much for the increasing unemployment. Simple things like creating more community allotments where people could go the learn to grow food to supplement their pensions. Orchestras and variety shows would put on shows locally and e.g. pensioners could get in for free or at a very low cost. all of these things no longer happen or rarely. It is me, me, money, money, money, from these organisations that were owned by the community but that have now been sold off and privatised. Even the so-called charities are no long that but commercial corporations, registering themselves as job placement agencies or private training providers delivering poor training programmes that do not assist the person improve employment opportunities, leaving them on a merry go round of going through more training programms as the jobs are not available. I speak with a lot of people as an advocate and yesterday I heard of a case where one "charity" now corporation buying and selling property as well as registering as a job placement agency had the CEO come into the shop demanding the young person to serve him.. She was new and did not know the person so politely ask him to wait in line. Result! The manager was called aside by the angry CEO and told to sack the "trainee" These corporations need a Royal Commission to investigate the services they are supposed to deliver, whether their costing are appropriate and how they can justify the high salaries paid to their executive managers and others. With added perks of going to seminars and e.g. $800 luncheons. They are using taxpayer funding to exploit the public and seek government funding. I have no problem for a CEO to receive an adequate salary but have concerns that funding is not reaching the very people they are supposed to be helping. I could go on and on but will stop now before someone says they have heard it before. My question is, If you have heard it before then what have you done to remedy the issues. One person cannot resolve the issues confronting us. However many voices will worry these politicians that we might get something done and not have the vested interests of the few privileged catered for. Now Particolor, I am eagerly awaiting for a humerous response. Cheers all
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2015
    1:37pm
    You've nailed it Prof. The older generation are used to frugality and making every penny count - but they see the pure greed of corporate aims, and the huge waste of the corporations, so they probably think - "Bugger 'em, I've got no time for this faceless corporate group, I've already paid a dozen times over for their corporate Jaguars, and they've already factored $200M into the books for shoplifting losses, so I'm going to get my steak for free this week."

    I watched a truck-size skip bin being filled with day-old bread from Coles just last week.
    That's disgusting and most oldies would be appalled at waste like that.

    One time that bread would be sold at a discount, then given to soup kitchens, then fed to pigs when it got stale.
    It never got wasted like Coles waste it.

    Now we have this giant corporation making sure the bread is binned and sent to landfill, because they've made a corporate decision that to recirculate it into the community, would most likely have a negative affect on their bread sales for the coming week.

    A pox on all corporations, they are well up amongst the root causes of evil in our society.
    KSS
    22nd Jan 2015
    1:58pm
    Dumpster Diving, as it is called, is a lifestyle choice made by many of all ages outraged at the waste. I doubt there would be few who didn't wish that food could be given to appropriate organisations to feed those in need.
    MICK
    22nd Jan 2015
    3:25pm
    I really find it very hard to believe that things are so bad. My wife and I do not get a pension because we earn about the same amount through investments. We can pay ALL of our bills out of this and also fund a 2 months overseas skiing trip from this income. But I have to admit that we have been blessed with good health to date and rarely visit the doctor (touch wood!).
    Pardon me if I am out of line but it appears likely to me that some people spend their money freely and then cry wolf.
    Polly Esther
    22nd Jan 2015
    5:05pm
    Ahh mick... your last sentence about some people crying wolf is spot on as far as I'm concerned. I find it hard to believe how astute you can be at times. Please laugh, I am being jocular.
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:18pm
    Well the only response I can give is, and call Me whatever You like !! I don't give a Peanut to Charities Anymore ! I don't care Who the Hell they are !! I doubt a Penny in the Pound goes to the People they are supposed to be collecting for !! The CEO of one (wont Name) Charity driving around in a Shofar Driven Limo did it for Me !!
    And Mick I'm off down to the Club now to pump a couple of Hundred through the pokies and have half a dozen Pints of Beer !! See You later !!
    particolor
    30th Jan 2015
    12:00am
    Prof.. I used to see that Skip Raiding a lot in South Australia but not at all in NSW as they put Locks on the Skips here from what I've seen Locally !!
    KSS
    22nd Jan 2015
    12:43pm
    "Council on the Ageing (COTA) chief executive Ian Yates believes that as our population continues to age, the number of seniors stealing can be expected to rise. Mr Yates explained that the thieves may be under financial stress, suffering from the early stages of dementia, or have a lifelong habit of stealing."

    And therein lies the issue. Financial stress is only one of a number of possible reasons for the increase in shoplifting. Still in the rush to condemn this government, of course why let that get in the way of a good jibe.

    Check out the statistics on dementia https://fightdementia.org.au/about-dementia-and-memory-loss/statistics - then add to them other mental health issues and you could easily account for a high percentage of the shoplifting increase.

    I do not disagree that some thieves may be in financial difficulty but to imply that these figures will worsen due to the 13 year deficit in superannuation is a very long bow to draw.
    The fact is we don't know why the incidents are increasing and until there is more analysis of those caught to discover the reasons we need to be very careful about making accusations.
    Anonymous
    22nd Jan 2015
    1:40pm
    KSS - I'll wager the oldies are being caught shoplifting at increased levels, purely because of increased sophisticated electronic security measures, that they're not aware of.
    KSS
    22nd Jan 2015
    1:52pm
    Quite possibly Aaron. The point is that the cause may not be financial stress.
    MICK
    22nd Jan 2015
    3:27pm
    Perhaps some of those who cry poor all the time might go to the third world for a month to understand how people who get not $1 from their governments can make ends meet. There is poverty and their is poverty. My belief is that we are talking about bad management, not poverty!
    wally
    23rd Jan 2015
    12:51pm
    Poverty is relative and is also a frame of mind, or if you prefer, a mind set. Mick correctly points out that those who think they are "doing it tough" in Australia should see how people in the third world "do it tough". The change from full employment to retirement on the age pension requires a change in your attitude and expectation of what life will provide. This is something that we will all have to face. Until Lady Luck allows us to scoop the big lottery prize, and you are more likely to be struck by lightning than win. So pensioners, be glad and enjoy what you have, and look after yourselves.
    Anonymous
    25th Jan 2015
    12:27pm
    Maybe the answer lies in good budgeting. I know Anglicare can help people by sitting down with them and seeing where there money is being spent. Some like to still smoke, drink and gamble.. With good budgetting most could probably still have a drink and a small flutter but you need to plan.
    Ruby
    22nd Jan 2015
    12:57pm
    What a load of rubbish we hear from so called wise persons. We have been pensioners since the 5th of December 1991. Our super payout was a lump sum. It is still invested, but now in a term depost. My husband and I still manage a holiday each year, plus at least one trip to Melbourne to see our Daughter and her family. We do not skip meals or search bins for food. We live our life according to our income.
    Carole
    22nd Jan 2015
    1:14pm
    Ruby, I'm glad you're doing well, but not everyone has had the advantage of years of superannuation and a lump sum!
    MICK
    22nd Jan 2015
    3:28pm
    Read my post above Ruby. Spot on.
    professori_au
    23rd Jan 2015
    3:37am
    Ruby you are lucky. there are those among us who lost their super due to mismanagement by the super funds or did not have a super fund when they were young. There are millions of super fund missing because employers did not register the deductions and they never went into the funds, despite the person believing it had. One lady came to me for advice about an insurance that she had converted to a paid up one to be drawn when she turned 65. by that time it was worth about $12,000. She wanted to get a small loan against it and when she went to see them, she was told she did not have any asset left it had been used to continue the payments until the money was used. A paid up insurance means that payment are no longer required to continue. When she reminded them that, the person she spoke to said take us to court. We have more money than you, so there you have it. the small investor gets screwed again. They cannot afford the cost of litigation and these big companies are aware of that. so please be careful when you are critical of those less fortunate than you. but for the grace of God it could have been you
    Precious 1
    1st Feb 2015
    5:08pm
    Yes have noted your remarks...some of us did lose super...I was in one once and cos I was between jobs I e not employed but still paying into said super they cancelled my super and kept the money ...how about that my dreams about Australia were not high...I found or we both found hubby and I that its not what you know its who you know.....you much better off here as a criminal than a reasonably honest educated person...I`ve seen it time and again the one with the loudest voice talks himself out of it or gets the people onside marching etc but usually gets a small slap on the wrist and carry on....
    particolor
    1st Feb 2015
    6:59pm
    Noticed that have You !
    ozzie
    22nd Jan 2015
    1:05pm
    IMHO this is the expected result of Social Security not being sufficient to support the older generation. You only need to look at the USA & their lawlessness in the streets to see that a "strangled welfare system" breeds lawlessness.....and their crazy gun laws....what a lethal "mixture"....
    MICK
    22nd Jan 2015
    3:31pm
    The AMerican system is not the same as ours. Most of their people are starved of income because they are so poorly paid in their working lifetime and others will never have the opportunity of holding down a job.
    I am actually surprised that Americans take this on the chin. The top 1% own 90% of everything in the country and yet Americans are for the most part peaceful. Of course you are going to get crime when you cut a whole section of the population out of the opportunity of earning a fair living.
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:35pm
    I've heard they even Tax their TIPS ??
    KSS
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:39pm
    TIPS are income! As they are here. Difference is here you are not forced to give a tip.
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:43pm
    Well TAX Polly's Perks if that's the case !! There is NO Difference ?
    professori_au
    1st Feb 2015
    10:24pm
    Do we need to look at the USA and its performance record. We need to closely scrutinise the behaviour of the politicians who are elected in the Commonwealth and immediately bend over to lick the boots of the USA and serve its interests. The present government is an American corporations, as I have reiterated so many times, i.e. registered in Washington as THE COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA incorporated and accountable to USA law and USA Revenue department. Why? Because our political factions have sold us out and have made agreements outside of their authority that has gradually eroded the right of the people of the Commonwealth of Australia under our Commonwealth Constitution 1900-1901.
    Unfortunately there are too few of us who understand and speak out to inform the public of what rights they are losing.
    particolor
    2nd Feb 2015
    9:01am
    Sack The Baskets !! There are a few here that That Whistle Blow the Slimy Dogs but get HOWLED DOWN by the Pack !!.. :-)
    Carole
    22nd Jan 2015
    1:12pm
    We might jest, but I work in Aged Care and I see at first hand the despair of the old, fragile and desperate. My own father, who is 90, received a huge rates bill as well as electricity and phone bills in the same post (just because he owns his unit doesn't mean to say he's got cash) and because of slight, but increasing confusion didn't know how to pay them as he just didn't have the money to do so. When I found out and paid them he burst into tears and said he'd been so worried that he thought his only option was suicide! I was devastated that he would feel that way, and that he was too proud to ask for help.
    With increasing prices on everything and the worrying effect of politicians eyeballing pensions for reductions on concessions, increasing medical costs and increases to the GST (to name a few) I can understand how a desperate aged person who can't afford to buy food, clothing, razors etc could be reduced to shop lifting. There is no light at the end of the tunnel for them.
    These reductions didn't take place this time, but what about next time? What is the answer? Don't look to our politicians, their retirement fund is safe and a lot more than adequate so I feel they aren't really interested in searching too hard or for too long!
    I'm a senior myself and on a pension and I really do fear for my own long term future, but that's not to say I'll be joining the shoplifting queue or diving into skip bin anytime.
    professori_au
    23rd Jan 2015
    3:58am
    I had a case brought to my attention and asked what could be done. A nearly 80 year old pensioner was being taken to court by the trading corporation (council) to take his home because he was unable to pay his rates. I advised them to use the council's own law; the invalid local government act 1989. Section 170 allows for the waiver of debt as a result of financial difficulties. Go and ask for the form At first it was denied their was such a form. The assisting party had a copy of the section I had sent them and council reluctantly handed one over and later the case was withdrawn from court. A question councils do not like being asked is how valuations were delivered. The real estate agent sets the mimimum purchase price and will set it as high as they believe they can get away with. Next council's will support this as they gain more revenue. Developers are involved as if the prices are set higher and higher they stand to gain greater profits as they probably bought the land while it was e.g. farm land. Now my thoughts are along the line of e.g. purchase price when he was young was e.g. $12,000. Now in my opinion that is the value plus any improvements, not the inflated prices by vested interests; at least until it is sold and market prices set a new value. Over the years councils have charged the value of the home many many times. It is necessary to carry out council obligations. Yes? where are the obligations. the councils are failing to deliver the community services the public is entitled to but freely spend money supporting vested interests. The CEO of our council receives something like $500,000 annually plus perks e.g. super, long service leave, cancelling of contracts, ( boy is that a beauty), a vehicle, and costs reimbursed for attending business functions e.g. $800 a pop. these are more biased to the vested interests of the business community rather than the interests of the rate payer. and so it goes on. these trading corporations love selling off public assets and have too close an association with developers. Why? Probably because they see an opportunity to gain more revenue to spend in the interests of the business community. Roads are degrading. the council has spent millions on the CBD trying to lay a level tarmac, with little success as they have out sourced it to contractors are interested in getting the job done as cheaply as possible. The CBD still has rough streets. Further out the streets suffer more. One road going to the outskirts and has very high traffic has little done to it except to put up signs to slow the traffic down It is cheaper.
    professori_au
    23rd Jan 2015
    1:24pm
    Carol. In regards to your fathers' rate bill. I had a similar case brought o my attention about another pensioner that the trading corporation (council) was intending to take the gentleman to court to take his home for non payment of rates and I was asked what could be done. I said use their own invalid act against them. they are using it against you. It is called Victorian local government act 1989. s 170 makes provision for those encountering financial difficulties to apply to have the debt waived. There are some other options but I felt this best met the problem. I said go and ask for the appropriate forms. when they did it was denied that such an option was available but I had sent a copy of the relevant section so they had no other choice but to process it and then withdraw the court action. this is why it is so important to learn to know your rights and also the remedies available to protect you
    robmur
    22nd Jan 2015
    2:14pm
    Although I don't condone shoplifting or any form of crime no matter how petty, it is a serious matter when seniors are shoplifting goods. Many reasons have been put forward - have always been a shoplifter, suffering with dementia or purely just suffering from financial stress. With a 20% increase in 2014 over the 2012/2013 figure it probably indicates financial stress as the main reason. However the list of common items shoplifted do not indicate food as a major item. What it does suggest is that seniors are ensuring they have food to eat as a major priority, and that the items they need like razor blades, batteries, clothing and mobile phones are necessities that are needed but can't be afforded out of the fortnightly pension budget. The extra ordinary expected rise in gas, water, electricity, land rates, food and transport costs (although those with cars are enjoying the drop in petrol prices) are consuming more and more of the fortnightly pension to the point that seniors are resorting to shoplifting for the less essential items that are required. Governments boast about the bi-annual increase in the aged pension. But measured against the ever increasing costs of every day essentials, seniors are being severely penalized. Its OK to spend billions per year on Middle Eastern wars, foreign aid to many undeserving countries and so on. Even the new Victorian state government looks like writing off a billion + dollars over contracts for building an essential tunnel/freeway. Time for governments to really start looking after their own. That maybe a selfish attitude but I would rather see our senior citizens have a reasonably comfortable lifestyle before wasting billions on matters that don't really concern us.
    KSS
    22nd Jan 2015
    2:50pm
    Hard to agree with your statement "What it does suggest is that seniors are ensuring they have food to eat as a major priority, and that the items they need like razor blades, batteries, clothing and mobile phones are necessities that are needed but can't be afforded out of the fortnightly pension budget."

    Fashion, mobile/smart phone accessories, batteries, alcohol, perfume, smartphone accessories, razor blades, Beats headphones and leggo being the top most frequently stolen items would probably not appear on most pensioners must have list. None of this list could be deemed a necessity, a want maybe, necessity, no.
    MICK
    22nd Jan 2015
    3:34pm
    Shoplifting has become a 'crime' in name only. Please tell me of even one person who has done jail time.
    The courts now give a slap on the wrist for shoplifters whilst merchants are expected wear the losses. It is LACK OF JUSTICE from a legal system run on negligence.
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    10:13pm
    Something You mentioned there made me laugh tonight on the News ! They must think we are Stupid ?? They said the Government was suffering the loss in petrol earnings because it is so low now ?? Yeah !! Well they still get 37 Cents a litre, and I'm bloody sure the population isn't using any Less ??? WT ??
    Precious 1
    25th Jan 2015
    1:45pm
    Sometimes things appear hard to believe we read in newspapers etc.....take a pinch of salt as the lady sang in that film to the children......
    Precious 1
    29th Jan 2015
    11:00pm
    Quite right Robmuir...and if having dementia there would be a carer taking you shopping wouldn't there? My second partner had a carer him living in a retirement village......we never married.....
    Precious 1
    1st Feb 2015
    5:14pm
    Robmuir ..... I really think they forgot....it does happen...to me its happened a few times......I took stuff back retracing my steps and they laughed.....which is more embarrassing myself or the person behind the counter trying not to be rude......
    DavidB
    22nd Jan 2015
    2:21pm
    I was in a Woolies a few months back, ordered bacon at the deli counter, took it, and walked out the in door without thinking; no intent to steal; realised only when I got home. It was $3. I thought about it for a few minutes and then decided not to make the trip back to pay as it was a store not on my usual path. I justified my decision by remembering all the times that I have been ripped off by Woollies with poor meat, veg, etc.
    Foxy
    22nd Jan 2015
    5:44pm
    lol- my sentiments exactly! :-)
    TeeCee27
    22nd Jan 2015
    2:23pm
    A bit of Seinfeld humour never goes astray!...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSzWbNElHOo
    Reeper
    22nd Jan 2015
    2:24pm
    Maybe shop security is becoming better, and us oldies haven't learned the tricks that younger folk employ?
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:40pm
    Fill us in ??
    Paddles
    22nd Jan 2015
    3:26pm
    Aaron rabbits on about the food dumped daily by the supermarkets and suggests that it could be serve as nutrition for those in need.

    Where was he protesting at the introduction of the "best before' or "use by" dates. I grew up in an era when you looked at a food product, them smelled it and finally tasted it and said'" yep! That's OK" Now, immense amounts of perfectly wholesome food is confined to the rubbish based on what the calendar says. Bloody madness!
    Kato
    22nd Jan 2015
    11:04pm
    Yep.
    Bernie
    22nd Jan 2015
    3:37pm
    They are nothing but bloody thieves. There is so much help out there for people struggling .No need to thieve.
    particolor
    25th Jan 2015
    1:23pm
    Ali Baba's lot will be Offended by that statement !!
    Foxy
    22nd Jan 2015
    5:42pm
    Anyone tell me where I can "shoplift" a 1 kg. Crayfish?? Sitting at $99 each here in Melbourne right now - (they were $125-$165 ea. at Xmas) - talk about "screwing" people! Needs a "Cray" badly - smiles - thank God I'm not a "druggie" on heroin/ice/etc. - all I need is a Cray! Arggghhhhhhh :-)
    Foxy
    22nd Jan 2015
    5:46pm
    ...maybe I need to "chat up" a fisherman? lol lol lol ....
    Pass the Ductape
    22nd Jan 2015
    8:03pm
    Oh Foxy - am I with you on this one. The price for a crayfish in Australia is totally out of control and if this is the price they pay overseas, then what happened to Australian workers being the best paid in the world? No worker (and I mean worker - not the overpriced tradespeople who charge $150 or more an hour) can afford to eat a crayfish. The last time I ever ate one was when I was just a kid - and we caught them ourselves. I still remember their taste, but that's about all I can afford to do these days!
    bebby
    22nd Jan 2015
    6:41pm
    To Bernie. I agree with you
    Pass the Ductape
    22nd Jan 2015
    7:52pm
    Simply a cultural shift in the dynamics of an aging population as it applies to a lack of accountability and disrespect for authority and the laws of the land; all brought about by political correctness and an ambiguous, unjust, judicial system. We should all expect this kind of thing to get much worse as the rot really sets in, particularly where in concerns the fanatical religious beliefs of followers of Islam.
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    10:02pm
    There's a Clause in that Book of theirs theirs somewhere that Forgives them for any Sin they Commit !! Especially against Dhimmi ! < Us that is,Slaves,or Conquered People..
    Mar
    22nd Jan 2015
    8:05pm
    Not surprised! Just got a letter from the local Mayor and local council on Withdrawal of Rate Concessions, stating that due to lack of funding by the Federal Govt., and State Government, next years rates concessions for Pensioners will be axed. Council says they are opposed to this decision but have no alternative and it will happen from 1st July 2015. They said if you are opposed to this decision, please contact your State and Federal Members of Parliament. Can't believe it, just like that. This will be an enormous burden on most Pensioners. Just dumped on us. Many won't be able to cover the increase which will be substantial. Wee must see an end to this Government.
    KSS
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:36pm
    Unfortunately Mar The Government at any level has no influence on local Council rates, how they raise then, how they spend them or any concessions they may or may not give. That is a matter wholly for the Council. The only thing the state Government can do is agree to or refuse rate rises above the prescribed amount (in my area last year about 3%. My Council applied for and got rejected for an increase of about 12%). There is no legislation that would compel Council to offer any concession for anything.

    Sorry you have to take it up with your Council, not the Federal Government.
    particolor
    22nd Jan 2015
    9:52pm
    A local Council up this way wants to put the rates up 12% !! I said to Friend the Mayor must be going to put an Olympic Swimming Pool in ? In His Back Yard !!
    professori_au
    23rd Jan 2015
    3:30am
    Mar. the interesting thing is that they are not lawful government. They are trading corporation (I speak for Victoria) 1988 a referendum sought approval from the people to recognise local government as a third tier of government. It was emphatically rejected. local government is recognised under the Commonwealth constitution as a department of the state, e.g. education health, etc. However, Victoria decided to ignore the law and created its own local government act and gave these trading corporation the authority as a third tier of government. All invalid. When a law of the state is inconsistent with the commonwealth, the Commonwealth takes precedence. Effectively Victoria acted outside of its authority as it tried to make laws inconsistent with the Commonwealth and also tried to change the laws of the UK. A very kind interpretation would be that these corporation can be little more than a depot or agency of the Department of Local government, without the power of governance, tax raising, law making and so on.
    Technically I would have to argue that if and I say If as it is still under debate rates were lawful then the Department of Local government would be responsible for the sending out of rate notices and collecting them. I would think they would the have to go into consolidated revenue for distribution via the parliament and an Appropriation bill ,. an interesting thought. Victoria changes the laws as it suits them especially when a resident has a win against it. People have been asking very searching questions about transparency and accountability of these trading corporations posing as council, so the Summaries Offences Act has been amended so councils can call the police and have the public told to move on. If they don't then they can be arrested. That Act itself is suspect as I have been unable to find whether it has received royal assent. so it goes on.
    professori_au
    23rd Jan 2015
    1:33pm
    Mar and KSS. You are right the Federal government has no control over these councils. It is a state responsibility Check your constitution there are three levels of law. 1.That which is the responsibility of the commonwealth and 2. That where either the state or Commonwealth can make laws, although when a law of the state is inconsistent with the law of the commonwealth then the Commonwealth takes precedent. 3. that which is the responsibility of the states. councils come under that category although the trading corporation that have been given the authority of a third tier of government is invalid. This 1989 local government act is inconsistent with the Commonwealth constitution and Victoria has no power to over rule the Commonwealth or the UK laws, although it thinks it does. Finally as these trading corporations are just that. Businesses and even the state has problems with how they behave, pin part as they are also in collusion.
    Mar
    22nd Jan 2015
    8:10pm
    Carole, my sentiments exactly.
    Young Simmo
    23rd Jan 2015
    1:17am
    OK,
    (A) I apologise for changing the subject BUT. Can we get back to something a little bit more juicy?
    (B) Now that the first 2 of the Bali 9 look like their future, or lack of it is fairly well secured, can we get a discussion going.
    Lets face it, the majority of subscribers to this site are 50 to 90 year old Aussie Honest Citizens, and because we have a tame Govt, with a Tame set of laws, dishing out a tame set of punishments, this could be the story of the year.
    If anybody wants to dispute, "Tame set of punishments, come get me".
    particolor
    23rd Jan 2015
    12:31pm
    Yeah ! Playful little Puppies our lot !!
    professori_au
    23rd Jan 2015
    2:45am
    When my children were growing up it was the year of the child. I can remember when one of the boys came home from the high school and said Dad you can't make us do this or tell us this. we have rights you know. Indeed you do I replied indeed you do. However, with every right there is a responsibility otherwise there would be chaos. Remember Mum and I have rights. that is why we have rules so everyone can live together peacefully. The boys still remember that even to this day and often refer back and comment that the high school was not teaching them the full meaning of rights. Sadly I believe this is still not happening today. Today the generations seem to have the culture of me, me, first and last. No one else matters. I hope that as they grow older they realise this and change their attitudes. Because our population has become much more mobile and our children often live and work far from us we seem to have lost our community spirit. Our governments are biased towards business and industry and not to public service. the needs of the public are not considered. Not long ago poverty was mainstream, i.e. how we could lessen and eventually obliterate it. today it is no longer resolving the problems of poverty but of terrorism and war. Poverty is easily a target to generate envy, rage etc. against those who seem to have it disproportionally all while they starve. Then you easily lead into terrorism as they try to get back a fairer portion of the wealth controlled by a few. Education will help but for the vested interests when you educate people start to think. when they think they start to ask questions and then demand answers and so on.They do not understand that terrorism starts with those who do not have enough to live on and are the scape goats for the rich to be exploited.
    Blossom
    26th Jan 2015
    1:09pm
    Guess what! They taught 5 year olds that too. 1st week at school - in 1988 and 1990
    I have 2 nieces who started school exactly 2 years apart. A few kids were very smart. They worked it out that parents were adults, so were the teachers so they didn't have to do what they asked them to do either. You can imagine the carry-ons in the classrooms. One student I know took it to the extreme and the parents got a visit from what told that their parents weren't allowed to yell at them as it was verbal abuse or emotional abuse. was then the Child Welfare Dept. - no appt. made. They could have arrived and found nobody home or the Dad away in the country working. The guy only knew what was in text books, knew nothing of the situation with the child who besides some of her bad behaviour also has a disability but it didn't stop her from learning when she put her mind to it....and was basically trying to tell the parents how to raise their child. He admitted he had no children himself or contact with any. In the end after the guy rambling on for what seemed to be forever, the parents asked the guy if he wanted to take the child and see if he could raise her any better, pay for her education, other needs including medical etc. To start all they got was stunned silence. then the guy said no. So he was told to leave and not contact them until he had some practical ideas and either send it in writing or make an appt. as if the dad wasn't home the guy would not be let in. Besides his ID had no photo on it so it could have been a stolen card so they challenged that as he was leaving. They never heard from the guy again. They became a lot more security conscience after that incident. Little did any of them know until later that a a next door neighbour had come to the front door and stood listening to most of the conversation. A few weeks later they found out that people at the other end of the street (a long one) had been hassled by the same guy the week before......At school the kids were also told that their parents weren't allowed to yell at them -even if they didn't swear it was verbal abuse or emotional abuse. Apparently it was Ok if the kids did it though. They weren't allowed to stop them going out if they wanted to. If the kids got themselves into the trouble the first question asked by people - including the Govt. hieracy -where were the parents. Not all parents go out and leave their kids at home alone. I know of one high school student who would wait until the parents had gone to bed then sneak out via her bedroom window. More than once her room was checked - she was missing - they guessed where she had gone (one of her girlfriends from school was doing the thing) and her parents went and collected her. When they got suspicious that the 2 girls were in the scheme, they contacted the other parents. They thought their daughter was at another school girl's place.
    They had even taken her there a couple of times when the weather was bad. Remember - kids have rights. They don't respect adults, many use no manners at all, neither do some young adults because parents had no control thanks to our Govt. brainstormers. Luckily some parents did persist and in some cases the young adults are teaching their little ones too. Then when they go to school it gets harder because they learn and copy the bad behaviour of others.
    professori_au
    23rd Jan 2015
    3:05am
    Aaron The waste is tremendous I agree. But our council watch dogs and the health department would not even let them give it away once it reaches a certain date. while I agree there is a need for safety provision to stop people getting sick, sometimes I think these watch dogs are feeling their power and do not justify the sorts of regulations. disposal as you suggested used to be the way but not any more. I owned a farm one time and went through a drought. this was at a time when farmers were not entitled to receive unemployment benefits. I was lucky as I also ran an engineering business from the farm and wwhile I and others had no income, we still had to run the farm. I had a young family and it was not easy but as engineering work was needed by the farmers who had no income we came to an agreement that they would buy the material and pay a little more to cover operating cost and the rest I would record in a book and we would settle after the drought. Often I was able to exchange work for fruit and vegetables with farmers who had water from bores and grew the food. Others I exchanged a side of beef for some work, so we managed fairly well but there were others who had it tougher. I rember one xmas, we had $5 dollars for food or Xmas. Of course it had to go on food. I said to my wife it was going to be a sad Xmas for the littlies. then I had an idea. they used to follow me around the farm carrying a rake or shovel copying what I was doing. I said to my wife I will light the forge and make them their own special tools; a rake; a shovel and a hoe. I made three sets and painted them different colours and kept the forge going to dry the paint hopefully in time for Xmas day. It went down very well and they were so proud. They kept them for many years even after they were married and had children of their own. I wrote a Xmas story for the Grandchildren and great grandchildren telling how father Xmas woke Opa up and asked Opa would he help with some special orders as he was getting behind. Opa grumbled and groaned as he did not like being woken up after he went to bed but did what Father Xmas asked and soon had the tools made and a special shovel for Oma as the ordinary shovel was getting too heavy for her and Santa thought she might like a light, specially designed one.
    professori_au
    23rd Jan 2015
    3:12am
    Even when I was in business we always had some young one staying with us for a few weeks or months until their particular problem could be resolved. they became part of our extended family. some had problems with their parents breaking up. Some with drug and alcohol issues and other just not coping with growing up. After some fifty or more years I hear from them. One I remember said what I can remember best about staying with you and Mum was that you were always available to talk to. Often they did not need to be told what to do but to be able to use you as a sounding board and after discussing it were able to make their own informed decisions. Well I am off to bed for a couple of hours and then enjoy my 82nd birthday for the balance of the day:) Cheers everyone. goodnight or rather good morning> It is 3:10am. bye
    Misty
    23rd Jan 2015
    12:00pm
    Happy Birthday professori-au, enjoy your special day and many more to come.
    particolor
    23rd Jan 2015
    12:34pm
    "HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!"
    Not Senile Yet!
    23rd Jan 2015
    3:54pm
    One might laugh or poke fun at this report......however.....this is no 1990 nor is 1980......these reports are computerised.....yet only as good as the data put in!!!!!
    Time someone made an extra effort and categorised what they were stealing into Food items, luxury items or Pet Food.....because what they are stealing tells us a lot about the WHY!!!
    The actual report in it's current for is USELESS!!!!
    People have to guess why........or Imagine why!!!!
    Useless information is just that USELESS!!!
    As to the Pensions being eroded by Government directly.....not actually true!!!
    Indirectly....absolutely!!! Rising Inflation on everything has devalued the Real Value of the Pensioners Dollar's buying power TREMENDOUSLY!!!!
    And most families who have parents on a Pension do not need to be told so!!!!
    It is only the young who are too busy with their own children and work.....now time poor.....to communicate or see their retired parents....that do not know this.....OR our present bunch of Retarded (Socially) Members of Parliament......because they keep taking away discounts and restricting Pensioners from earning anything worthwhile without penalty!!!
    the Grey Army is becoming a substantial figure in the Political Arena.......a figure that could control who is an MP and who isn't!!!
    Both Party Machine better beware......not all of the Seniors are Senile or Past their Use By Date.....in fact....quite a few have a large circle of influence........not just within their families...but also within their communities/friends!!!
    Most have no intention of letting Puppets controlled by Party Machines to turn their Country into another Little Yankee Doodle Neo-liberal wastewater!!!!!
    Remember the Pen is mightier that the sword......and so Family is mightier than any Party Loyalty!!!!
    Precious 1
    24th Jan 2015
    3:48pm
    You right really and you tell it in another form I`m glad....maybe my post won`t seem to be grumpy etc lolol the media has an awful lot to do with it all ...maybe one comment in said newpaper was blown up into a whole wave of criminals over retirement age...I wouldn't be at all surprised...and that person forgot.... which I am doing at times although I always pay for the articles in my shopping trolley and offer the assistant to look inside my handbag...etc

    consistently.......

    24th Jan 2015
    6:04am
    Maybe instead of shop lifting this is the wayto go (tongue in cheek of course ;)

    https://griffithreview.com/articles/flying-high/
    Precious 1
    24th Jan 2015
    3:36pm
    I reckon its the change of attitude and families not wanting, caring or too far away to care properly for their parents etc..some of course may not have anyone to care for them....The days are gone when families lived together and eldest inheriting the house etc.....some I would say are doing this for attention seeking maybe..its a terrible shame this article is...the pension to me is enough to manage well...if not you cut your losses get rid of the car, and make do......its all a state of mind......this really is the last straw......
    particolor
    24th Jan 2015
    4:13pm
    The last Straw ?? You watch someone steal it !!
    professori_au
    26th Jan 2015
    9:24pm
    Precious. Don't judge others until you walk in their shoes. It is nice to know you are able to manage on the pension. There are others for whatever reasons have great difficulty. Giving up the car may be an option to be avoided if possible as much of Australia relies on a vehicle to move around. Even in the cities the transport infrastructure and cost leave much to be desired. Where I live there is a portion of the city where the bus contactors are proposing to cut the service and this is an area where there are many elderly people. Stop the buses and you force them to be house bound. The policy of government to privatise every service is a failure of duty of care. Privatisation means profit and often profit upon profit with the most vulernable paying for it. Public services were never intended to be profit making. I have no problem with transparency, accountability and cost neutral but that foes not happen with trading corporations. the largest trading corporation is our so called government. People need to understand it is not our lawful government. The people are the highest authority and government, with parliaments the servant. I know I keep repeating this but it seems so many are slow learners. Until this is understood they will continue to exploit the people and sell off our assets. resources and land to foreign powers. Hopefully the news I have received recently means that people are waking up and demanding action. 1 is a Writ of Mandamus and another is a case brought before the international courts in the Hague which is successful will have serious implications for those foreign powers and their supporters.
    Precious 1
    24th Jan 2015
    3:43pm
    To put it in a nutshell the climate here is the problem...Don t laugh...as it is the same mostly all year round except for a heatwave in the summer months there is basically nothing for people to plan or in some cases do out of the ordinary...I know many who came to Australia years ago and eventually tailed away back to countries of origin or even backpacking around the world..then theres the grey power liking to travel...... almost continually.......families are distant sometimes to visit.......it can be very boring the same old b b q, visiting people (that's sitting and eating and drinking.)....anywhere else we d all go for a drive somewhere where there is something to see....lol No wonder all the dating sites are crammed with people looking for something to do, to like, to meet etc etc etc
    particolor
    24th Jan 2015
    4:11pm
    There's a thousand in Sydney at the moment I wish would Tail away Back Home !!
    Precious 1
    24th Jan 2015
    4:35pm
    Well you get something done about it instead of watching it happen.....they will eventually take over and then you ll have no one to blame only yourself for being lethargic.......
    particolor
    24th Jan 2015
    4:42pm
    Will I shake My walking Stick at them ??
    Foxy
    24th Jan 2015
    8:36pm
    Hahahahaaaa - read a funny lil letter in today's Herald-Sun! Said words to the effect - "So what if the old age pensioners get caught for stealing smartphones - ipads - Designer perfumes etc. - if/when they do get caught - they can plead "dementia! !!! How cute is that?

    Ductape - when we going on our "sting" to procure our "Crayfish Extravaganza" ???
    Young Simmo
    25th Jan 2015
    1:56am
    OK, I am dead serious.
    Can somebody please tell me the difference between stealing, and forgetting to pay.
    I do have a good memory, but at 75 I need to know the easy way out.
    Come on Parti, this should be right up your alley.
    particolor
    25th Jan 2015
    8:52am
    Forgetting to pay is not a problem when You've got no money !! And the best one I saw up there was I've got Alzheimer's !
    Precious 1
    25th Jan 2015
    12:51pm
    I have to be very careful as if family find out Im forgetting to pay for goods gee I ll be banged up in a home and never get out grrrrrrrrrrr
    Young Simmo
    25th Jan 2015
    1:12pm
    OK I go into a shop and pic k up half a dozen items which is too much for my shaky old hand, so I pop a couple into my pocket. At the check out I forget about the items in my pocket because they are very small. Shortly after going threw the check out and stepping on the footpath 2 X 6 ft 6 in security guards grab an arm. each and take me back into the shop.
    Is it too late to pay at that stage.
    particolor
    25th Jan 2015
    1:13pm
    I've heard Your not even safe in some of them Homes ?? Some of the Oldies have Tippy Toe Itchy Finger Syndrome !!
    catsahoy
    27th Jan 2015
    11:41pm
    dont do it simmo, im not bailing you out, lol lol ,
    Young Simmo
    28th Jan 2015
    12:16am
    It's alright catsahoy, you will know when I am planning it because I will change from my Gopher, to a twin turbo Harley.
    catsahoy
    30th Jan 2015
    11:58pm
    YOUNGsimmo, IF YOU USE A TROLLY, ALL YOUR GOODS WILL BE IN THERE, NO NEED TO USE POCKETS, AND YOUR EARLIER QUESTION, NO, WHEN YOU LEAVE THE SHOP YOU CANNOT JUST SAY YOULL PAY, ONCE YOU HAVE STEPPED AWAY FROM THE REGISTER AND PAID, ITS TO LATE WHEN THEY PULL YOU UP, AN AUTOMATIC COP SHOP, A FRIEND OF MINE PICKED UP A SET OF RECIPIES A FETHE CARDS WERE W YEARS AGO NOW, PUT THEM ON TOP OF HER BAG, AND PAID FOR WHAT WAS IN THE TROLLEY, AND WALKED AWAY, SECURITY GOT HER, THE CARDS WERE ONLY ABOUT 3/4 $ AND SHE WANTED TO PAY, BUT NO, SHE HAD TO GO TO COURT, SAID IT WAS THE MOST AWFUL EXPERIENCE EVER, WAS PUT ON A BOND FOR 6 MONTHS, AS SHE HAD NEVER BEEN IN ANY TROUBLE, UNLESS YOUR STARVING, DONT DO IT,
    catsahoy
    30th Jan 2015
    11:58pm
    YOUNGsimmo, IF YOU USE A TROLLY, ALL YOUR GOODS WILL BE IN THERE, NO NEED TO USE POCKETS, AND YOUR EARLIER QUESTION, NO, WHEN YOU LEAVE THE SHOP YOU CANNOT JUST SAY YOULL PAY, ONCE YOU HAVE STEPPED AWAY FROM THE REGISTER AND PAID, ITS TO LATE WHEN THEY PULL YOU UP, AN AUTOMATIC COP SHOP, A FRIEND OF MINE PICKED UP A SET OF RECIPIES A FETHE CARDS WERE W YEARS AGO NOW, PUT THEM ON TOP OF HER BAG, AND PAID FOR WHAT WAS IN THE TROLLEY, AND WALKED AWAY, SECURITY GOT HER, THE CARDS WERE ONLY ABOUT 3/4 $ AND SHE WANTED TO PAY, BUT NO, SHE HAD TO GO TO COURT, SAID IT WAS THE MOST AWFUL EXPERIENCE EVER, WAS PUT ON A BOND FOR 6 MONTHS, AS SHE HAD NEVER BEEN IN ANY TROUBLE, UNLESS YOUR STARVING, DONT DO IT,
    Blossom
    26th Jan 2015
    12:18pm
    Bag snatching is on the rise too.
    When Toms Supermarkets were in existance in SA occasionally a customer would report an empty crystallised Ginger packet. in one particular store.That customer wasn't to blame as after she said goodbye when she was moving to a house in the country they still found an empty crystalised Ginger every Sat. There were no cameras in existance. They even watched that and other aisle for two weeks. Whoever did it was very clever as they still didn't catch the culprit.
    Precious 1
    26th Jan 2015
    12:49pm
    A friend told me once that be careful what you keep in your medicine cupboard in your bathroom...she reckoned everytime she had a few friends round there appeared to be items missing from said cupboard....??????
    particolor
    26th Jan 2015
    9:44pm
    Blossom ..That ones easy ! It was a Recycle Freak and they were only putting the Empty packet Back !!..
    And Precious 1.. Years back I had a Girlfriend and when Her Guests left She would ask Me where Her Sudafed were ?? I said "Don't ask Me ! They are Your Friends !!"
    professori_au
    26th Jan 2015
    9:49pm
    Probably ate the ginger. Packet would not taste as nice:)
    particolor
    26th Jan 2015
    9:59pm
    Prof .. I know its nasty ! :-) But ! My friend and I have told the Checkout Chic that there is a Feral headed her way that was telling Her Kid to hurry up and finish these Chips before they got to the Checkout !! :-)
    Precious 1
    26th Jan 2015
    11:09pm
    Probably a possum heheheheheheh
    particolor
    26th Jan 2015
    11:21pm
    A Possum with Hay Fever ?? :-)
    Precious 1
    26th Jan 2015
    12:53pm
    Pal Dogfood was being eaten and also videoed in an area outside Bermondsey in London many years ago where the ships used to offload and rest a day or so and the workers used to sit about the docklands eating these cans of Pal with a fork. Their excuse was they couldn't read English.......
    particolor
    26th Jan 2015
    9:34pm
    And boy could the Foreman Bark out the Orders after Lunch !!
    Precious 1
    26th Jan 2015
    11:08pm
    Parti....you so tactful.....lolololol in your own way......
    professori_au
    27th Jan 2015
    11:16pm
    Today a couple of us were discussing pet food and that some pensioners were eating it. Not sure how that would save on their pension as it is not cheap. However, what one person said was disturbing. We have concerns about a business that runs a animal shelter and there are many allegations of cruelty and some animals that could be rehoused are just terminated. A vet, a member of the committee comes once a week to euthanize them. They are not independentaly assessed bye .e.g. RSPCA or other but are selected to make room for more. Now the disturbing comment. I do not have proof so take it as anectdotal until I can get some evidence. The allegations was that the destroyed animals are put into pet food. If true I find that horrible and disgusting and what monitoring has been done to ensure mistreatment of animals and the misuse of the bodies don't happen. I was in disbelief but was assured that former staff have become whistleblowers and are asking the government to investigate.

    27th Jan 2015
    2:24pm
    I well remember the wife of one of our Labor Foreign Minister who got pinged for shop lifting.


    "Jan. 20, 1987 9:59 PM ET
    CANBERRA, AUSTRALIA CANBERRA, Australia (AP) _ Police decided Wednesday not to prosecute the wife of Foreign Minister Bill Hayden for shoplifting.
    New South Wales state police Commissioner John Avery told reporters medical evidence indicated Hayden's wife, Dallas, frequently suffers disorientation and memory loss.
    He said he was exercising normal police discretion not to proceed with cases that had no chance of success in court. Avery said there was no political interference in the case, which he described as having an ''element of tragedy about it.''
    Avery said Mrs. Hayden was in a ''confused state and quite unaware of committing any offense'' when she was detained by security officers at a city store last week with about $66 of cosmetics in her handbag.
    In a brief statement released in Canberra on Tuesday, Hayden said his wife denied any wrongdoing."
    particolor
    27th Jan 2015
    3:02pm
    Did You hear about Elizabeth Arden ??
    Precious 1
    1st Feb 2015
    5:00pm
    Prof...during the last war horse meat was popular and probably dog with some cultures...lolol nothing has really changed after all they eat Kangaroo here etc and some cat........
    professori_au
    27th Jan 2015
    11:21pm
    Blossom. The teachers neglected to teach your clever little nieces. A grandson who is autistic and was mistreated by his father (His father claimed he didn't father disabled children it was the neglect of the mother) told his mother and I was he going to be a woman when he grew up. Why we asked. Because men are not nice. I said to him that I was a man. No you are not, you are Opa (Grandfather). In his eyes there were three types of humans; men, woman and Opa:). So the teachers neglected your nieces educations, lol
    professori_au
    27th Jan 2015
    11:25pm
    While reading this page I was also researching to find some news to support what I was told and this page came up https://deathrowpets.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/geelong-animal-welfare-society/
    Precious 1
    28th Jan 2015
    2:16am
    Actually I did find something in my wire shopping trolley un dern eath other paid things once when I got home......shear mistake I can assure anyone.....I went next day and told em and paid for same...I think I had a refund for honesty...lolol
    Precious 1
    28th Jan 2015
    12:47pm
    Hahahahahahahahah What happened to E Arden ?????
    particolor
    28th Jan 2015
    4:39pm
    Max Factor !!~ :-)

    28th Jan 2015
    4:07pm
    I never shop lift but I often skirt lift just to check my testosterone levels and yes they are still ok.
    Think of the savings on Viagra.
    particolor
    28th Jan 2015
    4:47pm
    There was a Young Lady from Nod.
    Who thought all Babies came from God ?
    It wasn't the Almighty that lifted Her Nighty ,
    But Davey the Navy the Sod !
    Anonymous
    29th Jan 2015
    9:45pm
    Any port in a storm...........I have a queue at my door with the town ladies seeking some special treatments.
    particolor
    29th Jan 2015
    10:11pm
    And I'm off down to Coles to Shop Lift one of that Keka jokes Chops for Tea as I cant afford to buy one at 36 Bucks a Kilo ??
    Precious 1
    29th Jan 2015
    10:49pm
    Hahahah good job u a sense of humour.....a good laugh is all we need I reckon.....don `t you ?????
    Young Simmo
    30th Jan 2015
    12:36am
    HELP, I need a quick answer.
    When a pensioner gets one of those $500 loans from Centrelink and pays it off at $38.50 per fortnight, is there any interest. I was under the impression that the loan was interest free.
    I got one on 8/9/2014 and have made 12 payments equalling $462.00 and thought my next payment would be the last. Went into Centrelink today and was told it be payed off on 9/3/2015.
    Something doesn't add up.
    professori_au
    30th Jan 2015
    12:52am
    are you sure you did not make 13 payments and have lost the record for one, 13 x 38.50 = 500.5:)
    professori_au
    30th Jan 2015
    1:01am
    I understand they are interest free
    particolor
    30th Jan 2015
    9:36am
    Y Simmo.. They are DEFINATLY Interest FREE..And as someone has said there are 13 Payments !! Check the Alzheimer's Blog next to find Your Lost Payment !!..
    When Your final payment is made You have to wait 10 days to be eligible for another Advance ! You can Borrow up to 1,160 Dollars or split it !!.. OK ?
    Young Simmo
    30th Jan 2015
    2:47pm
    Thanks for the info fellas, actually I went into Net Bank and did it the old fashioned way, and have payed $305.00 and have 5 more payments finishing on the 8th March.
    When I enquired at Centrelink about 6 weeks ago the Sheila behind the counter said it finishes on 4th Jan. Yesterday I was told 9th March and have now calculated the finish to be 8th April.
    Aren't we lucky that we Old Dumbies have computers and Net Bank etc, etc, to keep the so-called experts honest.
    I might add that neither of those 2 Sheilas were blonds, so that one goes out the window as well.
    OK ladies, I am ready for your pats on the back.
    particolor
    30th Jan 2015
    5:03pm
    Blondes have more FUNds !!
    Abby
    1st Feb 2015
    2:56pm
    Some Seniors are also shoplifting from Centrelink or the Taxpayer.
    particolor
    1st Feb 2015
    4:12pm
    They're just another Brick in the Wall, Tweety Pie !!
    professori_au
    1st Feb 2015
    11:01pm
    Carole
    22nd Jan 2015. What state do you live in. If Victoria use the invalid local government act 1989. councils use it against the people, so I believe you are entitled to use it against them:)
    Section 170 provides an option of applying for a waiver of the debt because of financial difficulties. There are other section that relate to deferment; partial waiver; time payment plan, etc. I think s170 would apply to your father as I do not see a pensioner's financial position improving under the pension. Make sure you don't get put off. Councils are reluctant to promote this information. One I pensioner I provided the advice was initially told it didn't apply but as I had sent a copy of the relevant section they had no option and withdraw the court action. I believe it covers a 12 month period and you would need to consider your option after that period. another pensioner I supplies with the information was told by his council "Oh, we don't hand those out to just anyone". Interesting? Just who would be eligible under that comment? Friends and relatives? I told him to go back and demand the forms and advise they would be prepared to take it to VCAT as it is part of their own laws. Other cases relate to councils attempting to deny the public access to the chambers to avoid answering public questions and any demands for accountability.
    Abby
    5th Feb 2015
    9:26am
    Perhaps some pensioners may want to get arrested and sent to jail seeing the criminals have better conditions than Pensioners.
    particolor
    5th Feb 2015
    1:09pm
    Bugger !! And I just stopped doing it and its on the fall now !!.. Why didn't You tell Me this Yesterday ??
    Swimming Pool,Table Tennis ,3 Meals a Day and lots of Nice People to chat to !
    OH ! The Pain of Refrain !! :-(


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