Dr Karl and the IGR

Dr Karl has withdrawn support for government’s ‘flawed’ Intergenerational Report.

Much admired, high profile scientist Dr Karl Kruszelnicki has withdrawn his support for the Abbott Government’s Intergenerational Report, describing it as flawed, despite his appearance in advertisements that promote the report. In particular, the “reduced focus” on climate change has led Dr Kruszelnicki to question the partisan approach of the report.

"The only reason I agreed to do it [promote the report] is because I was told that it would be independent, bipartisan and non-political. … if it turns out to have been fiddled with or subject to political interference from one side of politics I would deeply regret playing any part in it whatsoever" he said on ABC radio this morning.

Dr. Kruszelnicki also revealed that he had not read the report before agreeing to front an expensive advertising campaign that has been shown on TV, in social media and in print. The advertisements encourage Australians to join the conversation about the demands of an ageing population. Mr Hockey’s office will not release the cost of the taxpayer-funded advertising campaign, which it describes as an ‘information’ campaign.

Watch Dr Karl in the ‘Challenge of Change’ ad campaign you have funded.

Hear him speak on ABC radio.

Read a report in the Sydney Morning Herald.

Opinion: Another celeb endorsement gone wrong?

At one level I feel sorry for Dr Karl – and at another, I don’t. Too often high profile Australians are happy to pocket high fees from companies, brands – or indeed governments – wishing to ‘gild the lily’ on a questionable product, or add some credibility to a questionable proposition. Dr Karl has been caught out.

He is Australia’s favourite scientist who has lent his name to a particularly partisan report, only to discover that it seriously belittles the challenge of climate change. And to his credit, he has stood up and said that he made a mistake and regrets his role. But he has not asked for the campaign to be halted. And whilst he is quarrelling with the IGR’s lack of regard for the importance of climate change, he has basically endorsed the highly political economic conclusions asserted by the Treasurer, as opposed to a non-partisan Treasury.

As we reported when the IGR was released on 5 March, as well as taking the easy way out on climate change, the report simply refused to look holistically at the issue of retirement incomes, ignoring the massive misdirection of monies into overly generous superannuation contribution tax relief. It is not good enough for such an eminent scientist to take money to front advertisements endorsing a report he has not read. It merely reduces the credibility of his endorsement to equal that of a sportsperson promoting a new toothpaste.  

It doesn’t really matter if companies waste their marketing budgets on celebrity endorsements by people who often subsequently fall from grace. But it does matter that the Federal Government is using our taxes to pay a scientist to tell us its partisan report is a good document. And if this scientist now believes the report is flawed, the advertising campaign should be stopped and Dr. Kruszelnicki should think very seriously about refunding his fee.

What do you think? Has Dr. Karl made a mistake? And if so, should the ad campaign be stopped and Dr Karl made to refund his fee? How do you feel about your taxes being spent on such a dubious political promotion?





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    btony
    15th Apr 2015
    10:19am
    Well, he's not as clever as he thought ,eh? Or we thought either
    MICK
    15th Apr 2015
    12:04pm
    Not really btony. Dr Karl appears to have taken what he was told by this government on its merits. But as we see repeatedly this government is not to be trusted wnd just continues to lie, mislead and act in the interests of its owners: the rich.
    Karl is probably guilty of stupidity, not betrayal. That one lies fair and square with the current government.
    I for one wish that the same story did not repeadly play out. It is what it is.
    wally
    15th Apr 2015
    2:36pm
    Dr. Karl puts a new spin on "Take the Money and Run". A most unscientific examination of what he was getting himself into.

    He almost makes Tim Flannery look respectable in comparison.
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    3:02pm
    wally, he is not running anywhere. He just wants those lefty whingers off his back.
    Hasbeen
    15th Apr 2015
    3:57pm
    Come off it, Dr Karl smart!

    He's just a photographic memory with no analytical ability or understanding.

    Typical lefty, do anything for a buck
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    7:42pm
    Leave Dr Karl alone, nobody's Perfect !! Except Franks Friends :-)
    Abby
    19th Apr 2015
    7:05am
    Dr Karl is nothing but a quasi movie star ... do anything to stay in front of media.
    Tante Chrissie
    15th Apr 2015
    10:27am
    I doubt if most people believe that a sportsperson has any particular knowledge about toothpaste, muesli bars, breakfast cereals or anything else unconnected with sport that they are paid to promote, but in the case of a well-known and respected scientist one might have expected him to have some knowledge of what he was endorsing. Why else was he invited to endorse it? Or, cynically, is the IGR really no more significant than the brand of toothpaste we use? Disappointing.
    Wstaton
    15th Apr 2015
    1:40pm
    Being a well know and supposedly respected scientist you would at least expected him to read the damn thing. I did before I came to the conclusion that most of it was crap.

    I guess some of that respect may have gone down the drain.
    wally
    15th Apr 2015
    2:38pm
    Dr Karl certainly did not do himself any favours in the mess he finds himself in.
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    5:20pm
    Are they Chinese Strawberry's on that Shirt He's wearing ?? :-)
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    5:56pm
    I agree wally, he needs to find himself a new stylist and I'm talking like yesterday!!
    wally
    17th Apr 2015
    11:33pm
    I thought the "watermelon" pattern on Dr Karl's shirt was appropriate as a reflection of his "greenie/watermelon party" leanings.
    Chris B T
    15th Apr 2015
    10:31am
    When a person makes an endoresment (especially high profile) at least read and understand what you are endoresing.
    Mistake no, he took to it without full consideration and the consequences. We the ordinary people told to read, and understand what you are signing or agreeing to. (what this dosen't apply to him) Raz's Raz's only. Sympathy,not. Credibility none, huge brain snap.
    Lack of judgement no excuse.Loss of creadability yes.
    Babe
    15th Apr 2015
    10:33am
    I think we're heading towards communist government practice at the rate of light years. Paying off high profile members of our community, governments blatantly lying to its constituents to manipulate their thoughts and behaviours, propagating bad news into the community in order to mind control the masses. I've seen the ads and my first (naively trusting) instinct is to watch, but then I remember (very quickly) our new high tech propaganda methods (as opposed to leaflets dropped from aeroplanes in the early part of last century) and remind myself I/we don't live in "Australia-The Lucky Country" anymore. It doesn't surprise me that Dr Kruszelnicki did what he did. Give the money back ... nah ... what for? If Australians are too stupid to stand up to their government and make it clear that enough is enough, we deserve to be ripped off. Kruszelnicki'll get his. He has to live with his conscience. That's worse than whatever the "I can't be bothered", "Don't get me involved" Australian public could dish out as punishment. I do believe the ads should be stopped and I couldn't be more against government manipulation and misuse of my hard earned taxes if I tried. ABSOLUTELY. But really people, just turn the tele and the radio off. Stop filling your head with stuff and nonsense. Go out and generate your own opinions, address governments and make them accountable and behave responsibly.
    MICK
    15th Apr 2015
    12:06pm
    So vote for an Independent and cut out the corrupt influences of the rich and their business interests.
    Happy cyclist
    15th Apr 2015
    12:26pm
    Babe, do you actually KNOW what communism is? Yes, communist has become the insult of choice by certain political parties, but although your last sentence is good advice, why fall for using incorrect terminology to describe situations. Corruption, greed and plain bad government can and does happen across the board of political ideologies, so stop following the Libs lead and just labeling everything they don't like as communist. It diminishes your argument.
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    2:01pm
    Babe, were you more comfortable with paying Professor Tim Flannery to frighten us with his predictions.
    Jen
    15th Apr 2015
    2:09pm
    Agreed, Babe.
    wally
    15th Apr 2015
    2:39pm
    Vote #1 for Jacqui, mick?
    gilstamp
    15th Apr 2015
    3:08pm
    More like Nazi practices.
    Crazy Horse
    15th Apr 2015
    7:33pm
    Abbott and Co Communist had me rolling on the floor. They are completely at the other end of the political spectrum bordering on Fascist.
    tams
    15th Apr 2015
    10:34am
    Perhaps Dr Karl could look at other options or political bias, and then come back to endorse his original appointment
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    7:45pm
    A lot of people return to Barnum & Bailies after a short absence !! :-)
    Golfer
    15th Apr 2015
    10:40am
    Thank the lord Dr Karl is not a surgeon! What sort of lame brain would act first before reading the fine print?
    btony
    15th Apr 2015
    5:27pm
    The same as the dr chopping off the wrong leg
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    5:58pm
    Did you know he doesn't even dress himself ?
    Ozetwo
    15th Apr 2015
    10:59am
    He has lost all credibility. What next? Will he endorse thee LNP in Queensland?
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    5:15pm
    And it came to pass Lumps of Coal could be found throughout the Barrier Reef !!
    Squirrel
    15th Apr 2015
    11:02am
    The govt will go ahead with the advertising campaign. Maybe he should spend some of his money to discredit the ad. Gone down down in my estimation
    Kim
    15th Apr 2015
    11:02am
    There's a certain amount of responsibility that comes with being a public figure in this case he failed. I 'm amazed Dr Karl didn't read the report. In saying that the redeeming factor is that he was honest enough to own up to it publicly which is better than a lot of politicians would ever do. No-one is perfect.
    Iancaus
    15th Apr 2015
    11:04am
    I have the greatest respect for Dr Karl Kruszelnicki. It's a pity he didn't read the IGR before he endorsed it, but was he given an opportunity to read the full "report" or was he shown a selective summary? Can anybody trust the current government? They are liars, cheats and will do 'whatever it takes' to have their way. Dr Karl has learned, at some expense to his credibility, not to take the word of politicians who have been proven dishonest. In retrospect he has realised his mistake in not reading the IGR, and getting an independent, expert opinion of its validity before endorsing it. To his credit, he has publicly withdrawn his support once he became aware that it was an ideological political document and that he had been lied to. (as we all have, often) It would be wrong to return his "fee" to the liars, better to donate it to a refugee support organisation or similar charity working to undo Abbott and Hockey's damage to our national reputation and ethical capital.
    Stof
    15th Apr 2015
    11:09am
    Every time I saw that ad I changed station. He has lost any credibility and as a "scientist" has ignored the basic principles of science and not read the brief.
    I have always viewed him with suspicion with his hip clothing and smart mouth. Now he has proved his worth for all to see.
    Rod63
    15th Apr 2015
    12:28pm
    I turned off too. The way he spoke was not natural nor sincere - just a big performance. It was hard to listen to, no matter what he was saying.
    Mary
    15th Apr 2015
    11:12am
    At least he has admitted his mistake and that's a good start.
    MICK
    15th Apr 2015
    12:08pm
    Shows he is not a stoolie. Many other are.
    KSS
    15th Apr 2015
    12:11pm
    Did you offer the same compassion to Mr Abbott when he admitted his mistakes a few weeks ago Mary?
    Wstaton
    15th Apr 2015
    1:47pm
    That's because he didn't have any choice KSS.

    Dr Karl did not have to admit he was wrong. He could have just ignored it no-one would have been any wiser.
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    2:13pm
    What mistake?
    He has been apologetic in order to garner a little sympathy from those constantly abusing him. He has not quit.
    pauline
    15th Apr 2015
    11:15am
    We have to be more forgiving and give Dr Karl some credit for having the courage to speak up and admit his mistake.

    THis is a far far better thing than for him to keep quite on the matter and pretend that he wholly supports the Abbott govt's IGR.
    MICK
    15th Apr 2015
    12:10pm
    Better to have somebody expose the IGR for the scam it is. Remember the "you have high electricity because of the Carbon Tax"? The IGR is in the same boat.
    KSS
    15th Apr 2015
    12:12pm
    But not extend the same consideration to Mr Abbott, Pauline?
    Theo1943
    15th Apr 2015
    12:42pm
    Karl made a mistake and is trying to make amends. Mr Abbott makes many mistakes and tells more than a few deliberately misleading lies. IMHO there is no comparison.
    Jen
    15th Apr 2015
    2:13pm
    Oh come on, KSS! Tony Abbott makes a glaring mistake or tells a complete lie every time he opens his mouth! How many times should we forgive him, do you think?
    KSS
    15th Apr 2015
    2:29pm
    About as often as you would like to be 'forgiven' Jen.
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    3:09pm
    Pauline forgiveness is not in the left vocabulary. Poor Dr Karl is now lacking in labor values. He will be sitting by himself in the ABC staff lunch room.
    gilstamp
    15th Apr 2015
    3:12pm
    You are lacking in credibility, KSS.
    pauline
    15th Apr 2015
    3:20pm
    All I can say to those of you who cannot bring yourselves to be more forgiving of another person's mistake is this: When it comes to admitting mistakes, it is better late than never.
    pauline
    15th Apr 2015
    3:20pm
    All I can say to those of you who cannot bring yourselves to be more forgiving of another person's mistake is this: When it comes to admitting mistakes, it is better late than never.
    pauline
    15th Apr 2015
    3:20pm
    All I can say to those of you who cannot bring yourselves to be more forgiving of another person's mistake is this: When it comes to admitting mistakes, it is better late than never.
    pauline
    15th Apr 2015
    3:20pm
    All I can say to those of you who cannot bring yourselves to be more forgiving of another person's mistake is this: When it comes to admitting mistakes, it is better late than never.
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    4:31pm
    When the Leader of a Country Stands there and Tells Deliberate Untruths Upon Untruths to the Public it is Not a Lie ! It is Deceit of the Highest Order !!
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    4:35pm
    Untruths?? name one? I think you are being bias in the extreme.
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    7:49pm
    I've ordered in 6 Gallons of Ink !!
    SteveR
    15th Apr 2015
    11:15am
    I think there's very little excuse for endorsing a report that you haven't read, particularly when you are supposedly lending academic credibility to the advertising campaign that has followed. Certainly I think he should return the fee he has received and I agree that far too many people of note endorse products that they know bugger all about.
    pate
    15th Apr 2015
    11:28am
    Golfer what the hell are you going on about "thank god he's not a surgeon", i do not know what a surgeon has anything to do with signing a paper I have never heard of any sugeon signing any papes they are the protected species whi perate if the say they are going to a if something goes wrong too bad!!!!
    Theo1943
    15th Apr 2015
    12:26pm
    Surgeons indeed. Hospital "errors" kill three times as many people each year as traffic trauma. Why don't they have speed cameras in hospitals? Cops in the corridors? Monitors (no, not the lizards) in theatres?
    Judy in the hills
    15th Apr 2015
    11:29am
    There it is - the money greed is alive and well in so many of us. But one obviously needs to take RESPONSIBILITY for one's PUBLIC comments (particularly when accepting an apparently generous payment) - most definitely there is the magic word "RESPONSIBILITY". This will only do harm to Dr Karl, but he has to take the blame fair and square. Watch him wriggle!!!!
    gilstamp
    15th Apr 2015
    3:14pm
    He has taken responsibility.
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    4:35pm
    He mustn't Vote for either Major party then gilstamp ? :-)
    Paulodapotter
    15th Apr 2015
    11:45am
    Poor ol' Dr Karl - another victim of political spin. I bet he knows very little about the LNP's think tank, the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA). Everyone should read its manifesto and see exactly where the LNP wants to take us. Joe's little visit to Wall Street unmasks the direction he wants to take Australia. Sucking up to the yanks is one thing. Turning us all into little yanks is another. Read the IPA manifesto and shudder.
    gilstamp
    15th Apr 2015
    3:16pm
    Yes, and to think that the IPA receives tax exemption as a non-profit organisation on a par with charities.
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    5:28pm
    He DID Enjoy Ringing that Bell !! :-) < That's the Grin He was wearing !!
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    6:05pm
    Bell ringers need to serve a 6 year apprenticeship don't they? How dare he suck up to the yanks? we don't like that do we? Especially the way he hit down with that gavel. No, that's not a job for an Australian Treasurer!! He should be back here where we can hurl abuse at him!!
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    7:52pm
    He knocked three Times !! I wonder if He thought His Luck would change ? :-)
    Ronniej
    15th Apr 2015
    12:30pm
    I feel pleased that Karl has made his position clear to the public. Too often we do not take the time to delve into the assumptions implicit in politically generated reports. Until we become more critical in our reading and subsequent questioning of these reports we will suffer unintended consequences of ill thought through policy based on fallacious argument. Karl's experience is an important alert to us all. Don't assume that politically generated reports are based on unequivocal truths.
    Rod63
    15th Apr 2015
    12:31pm
    He made a BIG mistake but has obviously been greatly misled. He will do his due diligence much better in the future, I am sure. However, he should have known NOT to trust Abbott, Hockey and co. We have all learned well enough in the last 12 months not to do that!
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    3:13pm
    Yes, come home Doc all is forgiven.
    dougie
    15th Apr 2015
    5:09pm
    Maybe Doctor Karl is smarter than each of us. Who is to say?
    eggles01
    16th Apr 2015
    12:28am
    hey rod63 didn't you learn anything from the rudd the dudd and then from juliar the back stabber so you would prefer to trust that greeny communist labor party again would you????
    Young
    15th Apr 2015
    12:37pm
    I listened to Karl this morning on the abc news.Overall he is very happy with what is being done.If you cherry pick his only criticism then you can say he is unhappy because there was no mention of climate change.However,his overall view was quite positive of the report.As usual,the media is all out to criticise .
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    3:17pm
    Browny, absolutely. Dr Karl is a very clever man. He is getting paid to promote discussion on the IGR and that is what he is doing. At the same time he is appeasing the lefty nutjobs who have taken to social media to hammer him as a traitor.

    15th Apr 2015
    12:38pm
    If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen, and give back your apron - and fee! He seems pretty "naive" (?) to me for someone with "Dr." before his name.
    rtrish
    15th Apr 2015
    12:38pm
    It was a bit suss that he endorsed the report. But, to give Dr Karl his due, he made the point on ABC tv this morning that 1. the report was being written and re-written right up until its release, and 2. he wasn't given access to the report until just before his appearance was filmed.
    eggles01
    16th Apr 2015
    12:30am
    or was it just because he may have gotten caught
    KSS
    15th Apr 2015
    12:51pm
    How predicable. Here we go again. All the Government bashers jumping up and down with glee at the thought of another opportunity to 'stick the boot in'.

    But just hold your horses.

    What has changed here? The report hasn't. The Government's view of climate change has moved perhaps a little towards acceptance (and that may or may not be good thing depending on your personal view). The information in the ads Dr Karl presented has not changed i.e. the doubling of those over 65 and the almost halving of the number of people paying tax over the next 30+ years or so hasn't changed.

    Dr Karl, an educated man, agreed to present some of the information contained in the report to an audience and be filmed doing it for the purposes of a TV ad. There is no suggestion in any of the ads that I have seen that the data spoken of and illustrated are those of Dr Karl. Nor are any of the ads I have seen dealing with issues of climate change as defined in the IGR.

    No. What has changed is that Dr Karl has probably come in for 'bad press' for seemingly supporting the Government by making the ads. So what does this educated, erstwhile, celebrity scientist do? He claims not to have read the report, particularly the section relating to climate change and so now withdraws his 'support'! He didn't read the report and withdraws his support!

    Wow! Just wow!

    What support was that? A signed contract to deliver a script to an audience for a fee! I'll bet there was no clause in the performance contract stipulating Dr Karl must agree with or support or be seen to support, the Government on this or anything else.

    Dr Karl was not asked to deliver messages about climate change or indeed any of his own opinions on anything. He was not endorsing anything. He was contracted to deliver the Government message as defined in the IGR. This he did. Rather entertainingly. And, one assumes, willingly, for the fee. Are the contributors on this and other sites saying that the Australian public is incapable of identifying that when a celebrity advertises something they are doing it for a fee? Whether that celebrity 'believes' in the product, buys it, eats it, wears it or even uses it is totally irrelevant. It is a commercial transaction. Nothing more.

    Yet another storm in a teacup from those full of faux outrage for anything connected to this current government.
    RoyW
    15th Apr 2015
    1:05pm
    The only one with no credibility is DR Karl.. Go back to his ill educated and lame brained support of the warmist cause
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    4:25pm
    RoyW, Lefties often look like windsocks because they go hard on ideology which is sometimes contradictory and often has undesirable, unseeable consequences.
    anna s
    15th Apr 2015
    1:23pm
    Dr Karl, do the right thing and refund your fee.
    Jackie
    15th Apr 2015
    2:12pm
    Better still - donate it to a credible Climate Change organisation to help counter Coalition inertia.
    KSS
    15th Apr 2015
    2:27pm
    Why? He wasn't asked to or engaged to talk about climate change. And by the way, Dr Karl does not reject the entire IGR at all. He is 'disappointed' with the sections on climate change and scientific funding. That's it!
    Nan Norma
    15th Apr 2015
    1:29pm
    Betrayal. Can no longer be trusted. Did he return the money?
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    8:16pm
    NO ! I think He hid it in that Wind Sock I saw mentioned up there somewhere ? :-)
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    1:36pm
    I must say, I was somewhat confused to see Dr Karl promoting discussion on the IGR. After all he was risking being cold shouldered at the ABC lunch room for appearing to promote the IGR which the ALPABC has been hammering as a partisan report since it's release. According to Labor the report should have contained a lot more information about Global Warming and less about how they were on a fast track to destroy our lifestyle.
    I did form the opinion that I was wrong about that view and that Dr Karl was simply a scientist first and foremost. Although I did wonder why a scientist? Why not an Economist explaining the need for all Australians to be more understanding of the economic dangers we face?
    What I find really sad about this business is how the left have become such brutal bullies that they would destroy a good person's life for ideological reasons.

    " You can get your feelings hurt. when you get 50 abusive emails and 50 abusive twitters each day." - Dr Karl.

    "and as a result I've been under a fair amount of stress." - Dr Karl.

    No, Dr Karl should not refund his remuneration and should continue to promote discussion on the contents of the IGR, as he is doing.
    I think he is being brave by not quitting, but he obviously found the need to be apologetic to those bullies on the left.
    Very sad indeed. :(
    eggles01
    16th Apr 2015
    12:46am
    you know i am 73yrs this year and i can remember back to my later primary and high school day when we had to line up and the headmaster would walk down the lines with the deputy head carrying a jug of water and the headmaster would give everyone of us a SALT tablet and the dep head would give us a glass of water and we had to then open our mouth so he could see that we had swallowed the tablet to me those days were hot days many a time through summer over a hundred degrees fahrenheit or around 37.8 plus celsius and that was on the north shore of Sydney NSW
    VicCherikoff
    15th Apr 2015
    1:42pm
    Just a classic example of the brain-drain successive governments have fueled. Here's a colourful 'scientist' with no credibility just grabbing fees from anywhere to survive. It's not unlike Harry Butler saying how good the mining industry was on Barrow Island and rubber-stamping their Environmental Impact Statements way back. Or those mock-agronomists endorsing that new Queensland Garnet plum which is claimed to be sweet, juicy and yet a brand new superfood. Like Uncle Karl, they obviously want their slice of the action, ethics and facts aside.
    joycan
    15th Apr 2015
    1:57pm
    He has the same amount of credibility in this ad as Hockey and Abbott. It seems the COALition government just repeat lies and part truth over and over again in a communistic type campaign in the hope that eventually people will be zombied into believing it. Look at what happened in January after the Cricket and Tennis finished and we woke up and got back to school. The Leadership unrest! WAKE UP Austalians! The 'nice guy' is leading us nowhere
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    2:16pm
    joycan, you seem to know a lot about communism.
    gilstamp
    15th Apr 2015
    3:21pm
    You could certainly not equate this bunch of fascists with communism.
    joycan
    16th Apr 2015
    6:40am
    I don't know much about communism, but it seems funny that the Government need to have advertising campaigns!
    Why are taxpayer dollars having to fund Abbott's photographer, Media unit, etc.?? To keep the Proproganda machine looking good while they dupe us into believing whatever the Fairfax and Murdock fee to the masses.... Need a statesman with a VISION!
    Davymac
    15th Apr 2015
    1:58pm
    Well Well Well another idiot Academic who can not make up his mind about anything. No fool would endorse what they have not read. Utter bullshit.
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    2:09pm
    I wouldn't be too hard on the good Doc. This is just another example of how abusive the left has become in order to create stress for a decent person. Good on Dr Karl for not quitting.
    gilstamp
    15th Apr 2015
    3:25pm
    Dr Karl has been a media personality for a long time and as such would not think very much about the motives of those offering work. It has been a trap under the conditions to which we have all become accustomed by the all-pervasive media. i cannot see any more in it than that.
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    3:37pm
    yes gilstamp except for the ABC, they are not bias in any way. They will tell you that themselves.
    Jen
    15th Apr 2015
    2:03pm
    "Much admired?" Well, a tad less admired after this fiasco. Pity he was blinded by the $$$ to the extent he believed what he was being told to say and didn't feel the need to check.
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    2:18pm
    Yes, he made the mistake of not feeling the need to check with those brutally abusive people on the left.
    BundyGil
    15th Apr 2015
    2:10pm
    One must be extremely careful endorsing anything this government puts out without examining it in fine detail as you can be sure there's either a sting in the tail or it being a pure motherhood fantasy statement.
    They find it impossible to present a submission of any worth on anything. All members of any group or committee preparing a aubmission for the government are hand picked to reflect the government's views and no one else's. Then they get surprised and upset when no one else agrees with their committee's conclusions.
    joycan
    15th Apr 2015
    2:12pm
    How right you are? They have been screened by the PM's Chief of Staff to only reflect their mantras. If only we could have vigorous debate and develop robust policy to take our society into the future challenges.
    Jackie
    15th Apr 2015
    2:10pm
    Dr Karl has made a mistake and partly acknowledged that. His credibility is dented. He trusted the govt and like those who voted them into power, he has been massively betrayed. The govt should spend zero on promoting this shameless document. The comparison given of sportsman spruiking toothpaste is silly. Yet still the Murdoch press remains mute. Where are the strident headlines of yesteryear like "Kick this Mob Out" ?? This is what we should be seeing - yet all is glossed over and Newspoll polls smoothed out .
    Polly Esther
    15th Apr 2015
    2:27pm
    Money speaks all languages and I believe the good Doc was lured by the thought of a fat wallet. However he has belatedly thought again and realised that what he had 'endorsed' was not entirely what he believed. I believe he has said as much and apologised and opted out of his support for the so called Intergenerational Report. For this much I give him credit. He, like us all do make mistakes and he has admitted to doing so and does not deserve to be kicked in the head after a stumble, no one does. I do believe he has accepted a fee, who knows how much, and I rightly or wrongly, would like to hope that he returns the majority of it, less his original expenses. But hey, my nose wont bleed if he doesn't. At the end of the day I think he is a good man who did no heinous harm and life goes on.
    eggles01
    16th Apr 2015
    12:08am
    he is just another lying fraudster he needs to be taken through the legal system and be directed by the court to pay back the total amount or be given a criminal mark to his name he is in the same boat as prof,tim flannery the great greeny con artist who lives on the river and uses a boat and an old 2 stroke motor blowing amounts of smoke as he drives his boat up and down the river
    Stefanos
    15th Apr 2015
    2:27pm
    Dr Karl should use his fee to pay for an advert informing that the IGR is flawed.
    cockyhockey
    15th Apr 2015
    2:29pm
    Hockey has been caught out again, Dr Karl who are you trying to kid by saying you did not read the report, you do not have to be Sherlock Holmes to realise this report was a con and political. So will you demand the ad be withdrawn and you pay the tax payer funded payment you received to charity,
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    3:21pm
    Why don't you also ask him to get that $339m back the Vic government just washed down the drain?
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    4:23pm
    Do You EVER Quit Frank ?? I'm sick of hearing about the Labor Parties Flaws on every Subject ! ( I don't like any of the Frauds) But You make it Blatantly Obvious that You Despise them, or are So One eyed you need a Colonel Klink monachal to See anything !! And that Contract Your on about was Signed by a Floundering Premier in Haste and Vengeance when He saw a Train Coming down the tunnel towards Him !! It should be Torn Up and thrown away !! :-(
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    4:31pm
    Yes parti old chap, it is sickening to recap on labor's vandalism. He He He especially on anti government site. :) I don't think anyone believed he would do that. The problem is that industry is getting slowed by hwy bottlenecks and it is clear that the left don't want strong industry.
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    4:51pm
    What Industry ?? Its all been Flogged Off !! :-( You cant even Buy a Nut and Bolt [Made In Australia] anymore? And if Your talking about IT, What's that ? A lot of Nerds Moving a parcel of Pretend Money around from Computer to Computer ? Who's got it this Week ? :-)
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    5:33pm
    It is quicker, cheaper and easier to buy an item from overseas. Victoria is routed
    Kaye Fallick
    15th Apr 2015
    11:04pm
    Not sure how a Vic govt issue has an impact on IGR & its promotion?
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2015
    8:15am
    I think I was getting a little too excited and must have mentioned Victoria. But we were having an out of character attack of frugality with the spending of our taxes.

    I will try to contain myself in future and just look at the smaller expenditures. :) How much do you think Dr Karl was paid? I would have a guess and say $400k? Whatever it was, I'm sure at some point he would wonder if it was enough, given the abuse he has endured.

    The question is, is he promoting something of value to the Australian people? He seems to think so. Dr Karl is an Australian icon and like many patriotic people he realises that we need a redirection in our culture.
    What's more important? Political one upmanship or the well being of future generations? Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.
    wally
    17th Apr 2015
    11:49pm
    The beauty of democracy is that the voters get what they deserve as a consequence of how the majority voted. It looks as if the Victorians and Queenslanders will be in for some interesting times ahead. With the Vic government flushing hundreds of millions down the toilet for not building a badly needed road, you have to wonder what kind of strangle hold the Greens have on Labor's decision making abilities on state and national levels.
    Oars
    15th Apr 2015
    2:59pm
    But if you knew about the Labor party rorts in the "red scheme" would you write that up ???? You probably were tripping around "uni" then with your one class per week of Sociology or political ( biased) history. ?
    This column is too lefty biased - I'm out.
    Oars
    15th Apr 2015
    3:06pm
    And before I go. Who thinks Dr K is the authority on anything- maybe on how an old fart with a fancy shirt gets attention. Maybe I should wear some of MY OLD SHIRTS- then the crowd would howl larfing- Now I'm DEFINITELY OUT> BY !!!!!
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    5:01pm
    Don't go Oars !! :-) Lefty Righty Who Cares ? Give Em Heaps !! :-)
    There's nothing left to vote for now anyhow ! They are ALL Puppets on a String ! :-)
    I'll start Voting again when I see Someone Credible Standing and not under Strict Orders to Tow the Party Line or into the Mincer You Go !! :-(
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    6:11pm
    Parti, do you ever give up??? You stand by labor and defend everything that would make most people sick in the stomach, but when it suits you just like your mate mick, you go neutral. I don't get it.????
    Oars
    15th Apr 2015
    7:29pm
    My cover has been blown- methinks my neighbour knows my Oars name- and now she's telling the world. I may stand for the Reality party if and when I can wear my old shirts, talk my ideas without some beligerant fart throwing snides at me AND I expect a level of comprehension to year 10 standard- that means the public has a sort-of-idea of what I am all about. I have no alleagances to any current party- but there is a few who have 1. a brain that works 2. they want Oz to get out of this 1950's mentality 3. they recognize that Oz is PART of the globe- not just hanging off the edge.
    That's it - I'm BACK. Thank's Particolor ( whatever that may mean) One glass of red that's all I needed !!!!
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    10:29pm
    No Second Prize Frank for (Don't You ever Give Up !! }:-) I wasted My vote on the Independent in the last Election But He got Trampled By some Galah Squawking ALL FOR THE BUSH and other Garbage !! No wonder its Compulsory Voting in Australia ! or nobody would turn up !! :-) Look at tonight's News The Galah has Flown already !!
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2015
    11:07am
    Yep, you got me a good one there WHAM!!! :) It's the shock factor I think? Well done.
    I would like to see compulsory voting abolished if for no other reason than just to get an accurate idea of who (demographically) is listening and who has real concerns. I think in UK only about half the people vote.
    I missed the news, what did I miss?
    Kiri
    15th Apr 2015
    4:05pm
    Must admit I was really surprised when Dr Karl came out endorsing that report. I'm glad he's finally got around to reading the fine print - better late than never.
    Rod63
    15th Apr 2015
    4:14pm
    Agreed!
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    4:43pm
    You can click your heels together and wish hard for anything, but nothing will convince me that he didn't realise what he had spoken until he had spoken.
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    5:04pm
    He thought He was Endorsing TOYOTA !! :-)
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    5:49pm
    There was a little skip in his walk, but to suggest a full on Gazaly leap is a bridge too far!
    Chuck
    15th Apr 2015
    4:18pm
    Dr Karl return the money to prove you seriously regret giving this political advertisement your endorsement
    Charles
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    4:33pm
    What and work for nothing just to make people like you happy?
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    5:07pm
    Keep it Karl !!:-) You can buy a Really Good State of the Art Telescope with that sort of Cash !! :-)
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    5:07pm
    Keep it Karl !!:-) You can buy a Really Good State of the Art Telescope with that sort of Cash !! :-)
    synergex
    15th Apr 2015
    5:00pm
    Sorry Dr Karl but you blew your credibility on a nuclear scale of magnitude with me. While everyone is entitled to make an error of judgement I find it difficult to to understand your decision beyond the monetary. Even the most cursory of investigations revealed it to be political claptrap. Very sad and disappointing behaviour.
    particolor
    15th Apr 2015
    5:10pm
    I Forgive Him !! That's Once ......... Don't do it again :-)
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    5:39pm
    Gee with you lefties, when a comrade commits treason that's it. that's the end of the relationship.
    heyyybob
    15th Apr 2015
    5:50pm
    An EXPERT ?? = Spurt - drip under pressure. Ex - has been .... ie. Expert.
    "Move on, move on, nothing to see or believe here".......Next ??
    Alan S
    15th Apr 2015
    6:05pm
    The bloke has put his hands up, given an honest explanation, admitted his mistake and - as you've reported - withdrawn. Why are you keeping up this ridiculous witch hunt and inviting the stupid comments below? If this is your standard of journalism don't bother sending it to me.
    eggles01
    15th Apr 2015
    6:09pm
    could it be that he may have received more payments if he was to withdraw maybe from the gangrene or communist labor parties,just a thought as all the parties seem to be aiding most countries in the world,of course that does not include Australia we only get the crumbs of what is left and falls on the ground
    Adrianus
    15th Apr 2015
    6:12pm
    That was my initial thought but he is not withdrawing.
    Dukalook
    15th Apr 2015
    6:23pm
    Sounds to me like the lefties among us just want to throw mud at any and every government initiative that isn't 100% aligned with their own particular view of the world. We're heading for serious trouble as a nation unless the major players start working collaboratively on what is best for the long-term national interest rather than their own sectional interests. As for Dr Karl, my respect for him has gone down enormously. I simply don't believe that a scientist of his repute would take a leading role in promoting a report of this significance without first reading all the sections of it that he thought were important. I agree with Frank - he has just caved in to the deprecation of the sectional interests that are near and dear to him. personally.
    heyyybob
    15th Apr 2015
    6:29pm
    Agreed.
    Old Silver Fox
    15th Apr 2015
    7:03pm
    I bet he read AND understood his financial contract. Anyone know if he has repaid the enormous sum he was paid to promote this rubbish....? My guess..he has not.
    Bigjack
    15th Apr 2015
    10:15pm
    I think Karl is a fool and I certainly won't pay any attention to anything he says in the future. He didn't even read the report he was supporting! This government must have been laughing all the way to the next poll. Shame!
    Bigjack
    15th Apr 2015
    10:21pm
    Karl is a fool and I certainly won't be listening to anything he says in the future. How can a person endorse something and they haven't even read the bloody thing. Shame on you! What a toady!
    CindyLou
    15th Apr 2015
    10:39pm
    It's disappointing
    clackers30
    15th Apr 2015
    10:39pm
    This only proves that we obviously dont have a budget emergency as money is thrown around. And everybody is for sale. Nicole Kidman Ethihad bet she couldnt explain how a plane stays in the air. Mark Taylor would be lucky to find the remote to his airconditioner but couldnt build one. So Dr Karl was just selling a product, doesnt mean you have to believe/buy it
    Bigjack
    15th Apr 2015
    11:10pm
    Why aren't my two comments coming up?
    angel66
    16th Apr 2015
    12:23am
    Stop carrying on about the few dollars he got ..........I hate it that some people are so obsessed about money..........ever see the show 'Cheapskates' on Foxtel?
    Gee Whiz
    16th Apr 2015
    6:52am
    Who can afford Foxtel?
    Gee Whiz
    16th Apr 2015
    6:50am
    Dr Carl should have known that getting into bed with the dodgy brothers, Abbott and Hockey was always going to be dangerous. These two clowns couldn't find their bums with both hands unless they first spent millions forming a committee, starting a think tank, drawing up a detailed plan, and increased taxes to pay for it.
    Chris B T
    16th Apr 2015
    9:45am
    At a very young age, some preschoolers are taught to read. The main reason to be able to read is to make an informed judgement about life choices.
    So to act on and receive a rumination for a presentation, you chose not to read or have a change of mind about is a bit much to take.
    Don't sign or agree to something you Haven't Read.
    From all the other rants, it is the Credibility of the Presenter that will be Remembered not the author. Thats why they use them, simple enough.
    As for Dr Karl, Raz's Raz's for not reading.
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2015
    11:35am
    This should make many of you happy. Doctor Karl is now working for nothing!

    "I have decided to donate any moneys received from the IGR campaign to needy Government schools. More to follow tomorrow." Dr Karl.
    7:58 PM - 15 Apr 2015
    Reeper
    16th Apr 2015
    2:59pm
    It appears he hasn't withdrawn support at all, as he has publicly said there are some good things in the report.

    As a scientist Dr Karl has undone years of good PR he has built - what scientist just accepts the contents of any paper, report or document which he/she then goes on to praise in commercial advertising? Anything Dr Karl now says or does must be treated with considerable doubt until proven......
    Adrianus
    16th Apr 2015
    3:20pm
    It always appeared that he had never withdrawn Reeper. He is a man of his word and he said as much during the ABC interview. Kaye included the shortcut above.
    It is such a shame that he has had to go this far to placate the bullies from the left. :(
    Somehow I don't think the ravenous lefties in social media will be satisfied for long and he will need to feed them with more self harm. Maybe donate his ABC wages for the next 12 months or promise to say something nice about the Labor Party, Greens and Independents. I don't know what else he can do to please people??
    Jen
    16th Apr 2015
    6:37pm
    You ok Frank? You seem to be losing touch.
    eggles01
    16th Apr 2015
    9:15pm
    hear hear reeper 3 guesses as to the advertisement that i watched today 16th april while i was waiting to see my doctor,curses you picked it on your first guess
    wally
    17th Apr 2015
    11:55pm
    What? Is Dr Karl another scientist that doesn't do his homework regarding Climate Change, Global Warming (or whatever the new bugbear is that is meant to scare us all into swallowing what the Greenie/lefties tell us) and ok the handing over of all of our hard earned to save the world? While the rest of the world laughs at Australia.
    Adrianus
    18th Apr 2015
    7:45am
    Clearly I'm not ok Jen. :(
    How can people be so cruel to attack Dr Karl in this way?
    His parents were holocaust survivors and migrated to Australia when Dr Karl was a toddler in order to give him a better life. Little Karl made the most of it and dreamed one day to be an astronaut but was rejected by NASA. He has achieved so much in his 67 years.
    How can anyone be alright with a character assassination of an Aussie icon?
    You can stick your so called solidarity and your honour amongst thieves mentality. I will stand up for the free thinkers and for those who have the courage to display that free will.
    Those of you who are happy to run with the pack should take some time outside your circle of comfort and taste real freedom.
    Jen
    18th Apr 2015
    4:31pm
    Then perhaps I should apologise Frank. First of all, I didn't know Dr. Karl was an Aussie icon. Nor did I know that we're not allowed to be disappointed, in disagreement with or irritated by an Aussie icon. I didn't realise doing so was "honour amongst thieves" as you scornfully put it. What's that about free will, do you say? So those who have a similar opinion, are "running with the pack and haven't tasted real freedom." Oh dear!
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2015
    10:10am
    Jen, I don't know if you remember Julius Sumner Miller? He wasn't actually an Australian but an American physicist who aired regularly on Australian TV. He virtually demanded young people to think, when he asked 'why is it so?' Like Dr Karl he was probably seen more as an entertainer than scientist.
    I just don't understand why people are so critical of a person who asks others to think?
    This criticism comes from the top with memorable quotes such as ....."I don't know what she said but I agree with what she said."
    Jen
    19th Apr 2015
    12:17pm
    But but...You promote "thinking for oneself" but when people agree, they're "running with the pack and haven't tasted real freedom." So, only if people DISagree, they are free? That's nonsense.

    I don't think anybody is overly criticising Dr Karl. They are merely disappointed in someone that perhaps they had admired, and stating such, you denigrate as "honour amongst thieves."

    I guess I'm a little irritated by your labels.
    Not Senile Yet!
    16th Apr 2015
    11:54pm
    Welcome to the Liberals New Australia.......Yankee Policy Cloning allowed.....Just give me the MONEY!!!!......who cares whether it is right or wrong.....errrhhh Left or Right......errrrhh Red or Blue.......errrrh Correct or Incorrect!!!!
    Not me!!!! Just give me the MONEY!!!!
    Shame on the Both Parties and their Respective PROPAGANDA MACHINES of Lies Lies Lies and MORE Lies.....
    As for the Professor......his pants are now on Fire!!!!!
    clackers30
    17th Apr 2015
    12:25am
    Anybody that believes a word that comes out of the mouths of grabbott shonkey and shortfall or milnahhhhhhh believes pigs can fly and Ive got a bridge for sale.
    The trouble is people just follow whatever a politician tells them and puts down one number, take the time and responsibility that comes with voting and number all the boxes. Stop being a follower and be a thinker
    Jon S
    17th Apr 2015
    5:24pm
    It is clearly the responsibility of Dr Karl's agent to inform him as to what he is endorsing. That's not much to ask of a person who does very little for the 10-20% he/she creams off Dr K's fee!
    angel66
    18th Apr 2015
    3:33am
    Best answer so far.
    angel66
    18th Apr 2015
    3:35am
    Referring back to Foxtel, basic is now $25 per month,less than $1 dollar a day. (If it is the first time for setting up with Foxtel there is an upfront fee for box etc).

    19th Apr 2015
    6:40am
    I take all endorsements from so called "celebrities" with a grain of salt.

    If they did it for nothing I might take a bit of notice; but they all get paid.


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