23rd Apr 2015
RSL takes aim at Abbott
RSL takes aim at Abbott

The Returned Services League (RSL) has taken aim at Prime Minister Tony Abbott for his government’s proposed changes to index veterans’ payments to match the rate of inflation rather than the higher rate of average male weekly earnings.

Nearly 300,000 military pensioners and war widows would be affected by the changes to veterans’ pensions – a decision the RSL believes will threaten the quality of life and the dignity of those who fought for our country.

And whilst Mr Abbott, who is in Turkey for the ANZAC centenary at Gallipoli, met with the RSL last month to discuss the changes, he refused to back down on the decision to match veterans’ pensions to CPI, and has since held back the public release of documents which explain how the changes would affect ex-servicemen as well as the ones left behind by the fallen.

Ahead of Treasurer Joe Hockey’s second budget, veterans groups are using the ANZAC commemorations to remind the government to support the veterans who have defended Australia.

Veterans groups, including the RSL, the Federation of Totally and Permanently Incapacitated Ex-Servicemen & Women (TPI), the Defence Force Welfare Association and the Alliance of Defence Service Organisations have been working hard to change Mr Abbott’s mind, claiming:  “The budget measure will have a detrimental effect on the quality of life of those in the veteran community whose only source of income is the service pension. To qualify for the service pension, veterans must have had qualifying service, which by its definition implies that the veteran faced danger from the enemy and was prepared to pay the ultimate sacrifice.”

“It’s all very well to commemorate the fallen – and we support the centenary commemorations – but we have to fully support the living as well,” said TPI national vice-president Pat McCabe.

According to McCabe, veterans’ payments are a form of compensation under law that compensates them for their sacrifice, and should not be treated simply as a form of welfare payment.

Earlier this week, TPI wrote a letter to Mr Abbott refreshing his memory of a statement made by former Prime Minister Billy Hughes in 1917: “We say to them, ‘You go and fight and when you come back we will look after your welfare’ ... we have entered into a bargain with the soldier, and we must keep it!”

“It’s that bargain they have broken,” Ms McCabe said.

Read more at Sydney Morning Herald.

Opinion: Haven’t they sacrificed enough?

It seems that Woolworths and co aren’t the only ones cashing in on the ANZAC centenary – only this time the protagonists are justified. And whilst the ANZACs are ‘fresh in our memories’, there is no better time for veterans groups to lobby on behalf of those who have sacrificed their lives for our wellbeing.

In a statement made by Mr Abbott at Gallipoli Barracks in Brisbane earlier this week, he said that while the troops were supporting Australia overseas, Australia would support their loved ones back home.

“We will support them on your behalf, as you support us,” he said.

It’s all well and good to make these claims as part of a farewell to soldiers, but what of their welfare upon their return?

The changes to veterans’ payments are expected to save around $65.1 million from 2017, but, as with the Age Pension and other welfare payments that will be thrown into the same basket, will progressively erode veterans’ income as each year passes. And if the government can work out the annual savings created by cuts to military pensions, it would be interesting to see if it knows how much it would save by cutting back on the very generous pensions and payouts of the politicians who sit at home enjoying the protection provided for them by our servicemen and women.

Whilst we may not all agree on the where and why of our soldiers’ participation in wars and ‘police actions’ around the world, we can all agree that they should be well compensated for their incredible service and bravery whilst defending our way of life back home. This is just another idiotic example of how Mr Abbott and co, in order to find savings for their bottom line, will take from those who need it most instead of targeting their corporate cronies and well-to-do constituents.

What Mr Abbott needs to remember when rubber-stamping this decision is that the soldiers fought for the way of life of the common Australian citizen – not just the wealthy. Why should our soldiers and the loved ones of the fallen have to sacrifice their dignity for the government’s bottom line, when they have sacrificed so much already? It’s time to show some class, Mr Abbott. Go on – surprise us …

What do you think? Do you feel that finding savings from the pockets of our brave soldiers and war widows is justified? Does $65.1 million in savings justify this decision? Would you feel better if these savings were received by reducing benefits to corporations, politicians and the wealthiest two per cent?





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    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    10:41am
    Good Luck to all our Men and Women of the Armed Forces you all deserve the best pay for the rest of your lives in my opinion........As far as the PM Tony Abbott goes he is a heartless PM and will never care about the hardships and suffering you went through on any Battle fields.......all he is concern about his own retired pension and he gets top dollar for stuffing up our country........my personal opinion only. cheers good luck.
    Dotty
    23rd Apr 2015
    7:25pm
    Well tia-maria, I totally agree with what you have said here !! Its disgusting to think that this Government could even contemplate doing this to these returned Servicemen and women and those that were left behind to work in the steel mills or as machinist's etc for the then Government! But to now be treated like nothing at all is unbelievable ! True what you said about his pension its the big buck all he is worried about that he will be able to lounge around on after he retires after his one term in office !! As He wont get another turn at it that's for sure !! Its like what he is also doing to the aged pensioner's with their pension rates !! Just stink's it does !! Dotty
    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    7:42pm
    Dotty, yes we are also aged pensioners and this government don't care about any one but them selves..........especially our Men and Women of the armed forces who fought in battle to give us a better life.......No Respect......BUT Politicians always come up with cash with no cut backs for their retirement pensions
    bob menzies
    27th Apr 2015
    11:23am
    folks - by all means criticise Abbott but he is not the treasurer and I'll go one step further - where did this idea come from - its the Treasury and Finance department and within that group are public servants who do not accept there is anything unique in military service - just see military people as public servants in uniform - many years ago a Secretary said only janitors where uniforms - as Costello said Abbotts biggest problem is he doesn't take the time to fully understand the economy and it has been reported that he glossed over economic matters during expenditure review committee meetings - unfortunately for Abbott he does not have a Costello to overcome his economic weaknesses having to rely on a poor performer in Hockey (who is no Keating or Costello). As I am vet and affected by these changes I think we'll see a backflip once the RSL and other ex service orgs get their views to Abbott.

    23rd Apr 2015
    10:46am
    I think some of these veterans would be disgusted with the type of scum the Labour party has bought into this country just so they can get a few more votes to get into power. I am sure some of the diggers who made the ultimate sacrifice would roll over in their graves .
    Kato
    23rd Apr 2015
    11:03am
    Yes the Liberals should be taken to task for letting Tony Abbott into Australia and they should be tried in a court of law for letting a lot of his mates in .
    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    11:08am
    ROBO........Get real mate its about our Vets getting the pensions they deserve.....and with the heartless Liberal PM Abbott the truth is he wont give into them.
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    11:43am
    Yes ROBO's a typical liberalite trying to skew what this is about.
    Anonymous
    23rd Apr 2015
    11:46am
    Okay lets cut the age pensioners they get far to much as it is and most have done nothing for this country.
    MITZY
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:07pm
    How many years was the Liberals' Menzies Government in charge of the country and the masses of immigrants that reached our shores to build this country. Who was in charge when all the Vietnamese arrived. The Labour government originally didn't send the soldiers to Irak/Afghanistan but they certainly had to handle the influx of asylum seekers later.
    However, this was not the subject matter posed by Leon Della Bosca above.

    Leon: I entirely agree with the last paragraph of your subject matter.
    There are better ways to "raise" revenue than to "reduce" the deficit by reducing the service pensions and also the aged pensions.
    The government could start by looking at their own expenses and the expenses of providing funds, air travel, offices, cars/petrol, gold passes, etc. for RETIRED POLLIES: After all these pollies have better superannuation than any of us and with all the extras they get for doing "nothing in retirement", and even holding down jobs elsewhere, they are certainly not in "struggle street" like a lot of other unfortunate people, pensioners and service people.
    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:52pm
    Hey ROBO, again are you for real???????????????? are you saying the veterans have nothing for this country??? or the majority of us retired pensioners???????
    Polly Esther
    23rd Apr 2015
    1:05pm
    ROBO is simply amusing himself folks by acting as a s**t stirrer and getting off on your replies. Take what he says for what it is worth. Oh LOL please.
    PS Well I think he is, surely? LOL again.
    Anonymous
    23rd Apr 2015
    3:05pm
    Your right Willie Poker I get the lefties going don"t I.
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    3:13pm
    Yes quite simple to do when serious folk are trying to comment. Shows a lazy brain.
    wally
    23rd Apr 2015
    7:04pm
    It seems that ROBO's comments about the immigration free for all that Rudd started when he became PM (and ROBO's supposition about the reaction of the diggers who died in the defence of Australian democracy) have been ignored in the rush of our lefties to chastise ROBO. Tia's comments completely miss the point and have nothing to do with refuting ROBO's claim about the attitude of the diggers toward Rudd's immigration reversal of Howard's policy.

    Am I to believe that tia and Wstaton believe that they believe the old diggers would applaud Rudd's action (and the soaring costs of Rudd's Folly) that means there is less money available to be spent benefitting genuine Australians, including veterans, pensioners and serving military and naval personnel? In their haste to attack ROBO they overlook the real point ROBO was trying to make. In doing so, they forfeit any credibility through their attack on ROBO instead of debunking the view ROBO expressed. Typical Labor, where they play the man and not the ball in their idea of debate.
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    7:25pm
    I am not sure who these scum are that Rudd brought into Australia. Possibly the the smugglers but not the refugees most who were running from tyranny. Apart from this I hardly think that the number who came would have any effect on a election.
    Typical liberal rhetoric.

    I notice that there is no comment from the right about the giveaways to the well off with super concessions, negative gearing etc given to help stave of not being re-elected.

    So what point was ROBO making except for calling people scum which is derogatory to the refugees.

    I see the problem is a fault of both parties and it is about time that one of them bit the bullet and start hitting those concessions that are not really needed by the more well off.
    Dotty
    23rd Apr 2015
    7:28pm
    I think Robo that you should learn to shut your mouth "before" you put that size "15" boot in it and keep it shut, if you can't give any real opinion other than what you already have !! Dotty
    wally
    24th Apr 2015
    8:25am
    Hi Wstaton. In your closing paragraph you claim that both parties should share the blame for making it possible for making ( that of financial benefits, I presume) concessions for those you call the "Well 0ff". Do you consider that self funded retirees are among the "Well Off" that you want to financially penalise? Yes? No? Who is, in your opinion in the "Well Off" category? What makes a person "Well Off"? Where does one draw the line in deciding who is well off and deserving of financial punishment (as you imply) and who does not? A bit of enlightenment on your part would help us understand exactly who you are talking about. Are you suggesting that Australia's Lifters should be penalised to further support the Leaners?

    Until you are able to address the questions I raised about the ( in your view) the evils of "Well Offness" and what to do about those in that category, I am afraid I shall have to consign your comments to the "Half Baked Trendy Lefty Gobbledygook Bin".

    As far as sorting out the "Scum" from the "Un-Scum" of the migrant community, You seem to want to admit into Australia anyone that claims to be seeking asylum on their word alone. I include the proven liar and self proclaimed asylum seeker Mr Manos, (the Martin Place murderer) that was granted asylum and granted citizenship in this category. How many more "Asylum Seekers" and their disaffected children that have decided to take up ISIS 's Jihadi cause to make war on those that do not share their bigoted view of what is right and proper in the world does Australia need to import, and provide sustenance for?

    Again, I must point out that Rudd's reversal of Howard's immigration policy in allowing the "Invasion of the Boat People" (and the subsequent cost of this) has created an ongoing drain on Australia's taxpayers and soaks up money better spent on Australia's genuine pensioners instead of the care and feeding of imported parasites.
    Wstaton
    24th Apr 2015
    11:53am
    I will not reply about the well off as most people are probably quite aware what i mean. I also not said that being well off is evil. But it is obvious that many are taking advantage of a system that was not intended to reward the so called lifters. One again if they are lifters why are the rest of the community paying them these concessions, doesn't this indicate that they are leaning a bit.

    As regarding the "scum" comment. What you are saying here is that a few that arrive that are not really refugees (even this should not classify all of them as scum just the few who do mean us harm)and so forth is like saying that the few people in Australia that are criminals means we are all criminals.

    I have not once agreed to what happened during the Rudd era. But I do regard the treatment of refugees as draconian. We treat our criminals better and there are some horrible criminals out there.

    As being trendy, half baked lefty etc, you seem to think that all people who appose the view of the right are just so.

    For your information I am not a lefty or a righty, (heavens "lefty" does not give me a spelling check failure but "righty" does) I am 73 don't receive the age pension or any concessions (sorry I have a seniors card) I still work from home running my own business and am happy with that. But I also believe in fairness and that all people are not able to do this for whatever reason or circumstances most beyond their control. Yes there will be some who rort the system but once again who are we to tar everyone with the same brush. Some retirees rort so all the retirees do. Yes.

    It is frustrating to me that there are elements amongst all the political parties that are good, some of them bad and wrong. Pity we could not take all the good bits and put them together. I believe in global warming and development of renewable. But hold it that doesn't make me a greeny. I believe that people should be able to accumulate as much money as the feel they need as long as it is done by their own efforts alone not by being subsidized (does that make me half a righty)

    I believe that people who due to circumstances beyond their fault fall behind should be helped by the community and government. I also believe that anything to do with health and social responsibility should be a government responsibility. (I hope this is not making me a lefty)

    One last word on lifters. The definition of a lifter seems to be that those who make lots of money are the lifters and those who don't are not. Tell that to the massive number of helpers in the community that spend hours helping others in the whole for no pay. I consider these as lifters. Think of all the firemen, health helpers, Police and many more. Yes they get a wage but they are not going to get rich on it. I consider these as lifters. If I was religious I guess Jesus would as well. You should read what he has to say about money lenders, I guess he would have the same to say about banks today but that's another story.
    wally
    24th Apr 2015
    1:56pm
    Hi W. Thanks for the autobiography. With your well of experience, both past and present, I would have expected you to be a little more sceptical of claims and assertions that we get bombarded with by the left side of the political spectrum. I, like you, tend to judge the people in this forum based on what they choose to reveal about themselves when they post comments. I seem to have a harsher view toward certain segments of the community than you do, but I (REALLY) try to take a balanced view of things, which I fear others do not. To misquote the X Files, "The truth might be out there...somewhere in the middle of the muddle."
    particolor
    25th Apr 2015
    3:29pm
    After reading all that, the Hilarity Award goes to KATO up the Top there for Supreme Honesty in Comment !! :-)
    Tomaso
    23rd Apr 2015
    10:54am
    it would be interesting to see if it knows how much it would save by cutting back on the very generous pensions and payouts of the politicians who sit at home enjoying the protection provided for them by our servicemen and women. Says it all really.....
    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    11:09am
    Tomaso........what makes me mad is the fact our PM is not an Aussie
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    11:59am
    tia-maria that is a despicable remark and not worthy. Fact: you cannot stand for public office if you are not Australian.

    And unless you are of Aboriginal descent, one could argue you are not Australian either!
    Sen.Cit.90
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:06pm
    Tomaso, I'm with you; review the politicians perks and pensions most of which devised by Lawyers turned politician.

    Tia-maria; that is a real racist comment. I'm sure he is an Australian Citizen as are millions of other migrants and off-springs of migrants who have and are making this nation great.
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:09pm
    If one was born in Australia then you are an Aussie true blue. If you weren't then you are an Australian citizen.

    If I am correct then I believe even the aboriginals were not the original inhabitants. They moved from the north somewhere. But they do have prior ownership makes them more true blue than the rest of us.

    I also understand that in America you have to be born there to become president. Here, you have to be an Australian citizen to become prime minister or get elected. Did anyone check that T. Abbott had become an Australian citizen.
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:30pm
    Wstaton no you don't have to have been born in the USA to become President, but you do need deep pockets. Mr Obama is a case in point I think.
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:36pm
    You are incorrect there. I remember the republicans trying to stop him by saying he was not born in the USA. It in turn was found to be incorrect.
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:47pm
    Sorry Wstaton. Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution states in part:

    "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

    This has been debated but as long as at least one parent is an American (by birth or citizenship) the actual place of birth doesn't matter. Check the findings about John McCain, George Romney and Ted Cruz 2016 candidate.
    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:55pm
    Wooooo BOYS club it was not ment to be a racist remark, all I was saying our PM is not an Australian ? I think I am right...........BUT KSS you always try to make mountains out of a mole hill.
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    1:03pm
    No tia-maria you just don't like being called out.
    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    1:07pm
    KSS....your wrong...........I am standing up for the Australians Diggers.......full stop
    MITZY
    23rd Apr 2015
    1:34pm
    I realise we have to take a lot of what is written with scepticism, however, Wiki says:
    Tony Abbott was born in England to an Australian mother; her father was Dutch, and her mother was Welsh. Abbott's father was born in Newcastle upon Tyne, U.K. and he moved to Australia during the Second World War and is an "unconfirmed" naturalized Australian citizen.
    However this debate has been going on for years and according to Peta Credlin, Abbott is a naturalised citizen, but she is not allowing the Press or anyone else to have this confirmed with FOA documented evidence. If you can't confirm it, who knows?
    Another article indicates that he got naturalised when he was awarded the Rhodes Scholarship as this scholarship is only available to Australian citizens.
    Apparently, there is also scepticism as to whether he renounced his British citizenship and if he did not do so, then he is a dual citizen and ineligible to take office as a politician of any substance in Australia. Apparently there have been High Court decisions on others elected to office who were stripped of office or not allowed to stand because of dual citizenship. Then there are various rules and regulations attached to the electoral role and time-frames involved to declare these suspicions. It would be good if the freedom of information documents were released to confirm the true position.
    When I came to Australia with my parents in 1957 I was 15 years old and didn't have a passport at the time. I was included (as was my brother) on our parents passports. My father died here and my mother returned to the U.K. Being British subjects in those years it was not necessary to become a naturalized Australian. Only migrants from other countries were expected to become naturalized. However, when I needed a passport of my own to travel overseas some years later, I had a lot of difficulties getting it all sorted out as I had also got married and changed from my maiden name. I was happy to be a naturalized Australian and take the oath, and I used to tease my husband that I had a certificate which actually said that I was Australian, whereas he had a birth certificate that just indicated he was born at a certain hospital in a certain suburb in NSW. I have my certificate framed and I'm very proud of it.
    So, before I took the oath, for many years I was an "unconfirmed" naturalized citizen. There are probably many British subjects living in Australia "unconfirmed" to this day. My brother-in-law (my husband's sister's husband) is still a British subject even though he has been in Australia since 1955, and it doesn't matter how often we have tried to convince him to become a proud Australian where he has lived and worked all his life, he refuses to do. Incredibly they have one son, he lives in England
    MITZY
    23rd Apr 2015
    1:39pm
    Sorry about the length of this comment:
    However, I cut myself off just before I was about to finish it, so hence the last bit.......

    .......... he lives in England for the past 30 years and is married to an Italian and they have one son, born there.
    He gets to live in England because his Mother is Australian born and his Father was born in the U.K. I just presume he is still Australian but maybe he has dual citizen?
    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    1:42pm
    MITZY thanks for the information
    Tom Tank
    23rd Apr 2015
    2:05pm
    Spot on Mitzy and tia-maria. There is a seious doubt that Abbot has relinquished his British citzenship and as such is ineligible to be a Member of Parliament.
    If he has relinquished his British Citizenship then why not prove it.
    What is he hiding???
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    3:44pm
    For goodness sake get a grip people. Mr Abbott has held public office since 1994. That's 21 years. Do you seriously think, given the animosity people have towards him, as evidenced daily on this site and else where, that if there were any irregularity surrounding his citizenship and his eligibility for public office, it would not have come out before now.

    You bunch of conspiracy theorists need to have a bex and a lay down.
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    3:50pm
    In that case why hasn't it been put to rest. Simple as that.
    MITZY
    23rd Apr 2015
    4:32pm
    KSS: I think there is equal amounts of animosity applied towards Abbott as there was to Gillard on this site. Some of the derogatory remarks to both of them uncalled for. Whichever political party is in power and making decisions is targeted. This stems from the fact that we have practically equal amounts of commentators posting their remarks based on their political leanings most of the time. There are not too many "independent" viewpoints. If the items we comment on are not political then we get a more balanced viewpoint of the subject matter.
    I doubt there are conspiracy theorists among us, we extrapolate our comments from various sources and the fact that someone started the ball rolling regarding the queries about Mr. Abbott's naturalisation and/or his dual citizenship is something that has been debated for quite a while now. In fact there was a petition asking the question of "Is our PM legally able to hold office?", on the Internet asking people to sign it for verification.
    If access is denied (which it is) to obtain this information then of course it raises doubts as to Mr. Abbott's validity. He is the one person who could put it to rest.
    wally
    24th Apr 2015
    8:35am
    The reason that the question of Tony Abbott's citizenship status does not die is because of the persistent efforts of the Abbott Haters' efforts to "get" Abbott and denigrate the man any way they can.
    MITZY
    24th Apr 2015
    10:40am
    No Wally it doesn't die because he refuses to release the evidence to support his and Peta Credlin's claim that he is a naturalised citizen, we know he is. There is evidence he became an Australian naturalised citizen in order to be able to partake of the Rhodes Scholarship that was only available to Australian citizens.
    It doesn't die because there is a cloud hovering over the question of whether he has completed the form renouncing his "dual citizenship". Under FOA you can request a copy of this document, however there is an embargo on documents about Mr. Abbott's citizenship position as of February 2014.
    It's got nothing to do with Abbott haters, there are and were just as many Gillard haters too. She was in the same position as Abbott, however when entering Parliament she renounced her British(Welsh) citizenship.
    The law states that you cannot be an MP in Australia if you have dual citizenship with another country.
    If everything is above board there is no reason to embargo the information.
    Adrianus
    24th Apr 2015
    10:44am
    There are 2.9m Aussies living here who were born in the UK, does your racial discrimination include all 2.9m?
    Wstaton
    24th Apr 2015
    11:57am
    Frank, What a silly reply, Nothing to do with racism, it's to do with legality.
    MITZY
    24th Apr 2015
    12:15pm
    What racial discrimination? I'm one of those 2.9m Aussies born in the U.K.
    I took an oath and renounced my British citizenship.
    The law states if you have dual citizenship you cannot be an MP in Australia. There would be conflict of interests as you could be seen to be favouring, for instance, the U.K. in some way, because you are still a British subject. It's got nothing to do with the 2.9m Aussies who were born in the U.K. At present 1 in 4 Australians have been born overseas!!! Yes, 1 in 4.
    It has all to do with the fact that if you have dual citizenship you cannot be an MP or PM of this country.
    Other MP's have been stripped or prohibited from serving this country because of their dual citizenship. They were not racially discriminated against. Jackie Kelly was one, she lost the right to represent the community because she had not relinquished her N.Z. citizenship. She did so, and then she was re-elected. Another Senator (can't remember her name) did likewise.

    I say again, Mr. Abbott's office has put an embargo on documents relating to his Australian citizenship.
    He's just a human being like the rest of us, all born the same way, therefore in the position he holds in this country, there should be no doubt as to if he holds that position legally. Nobody is going to kick him out of it, all he has to do is let the people who question his validity sight the verification of it.
    Until this happens there will always be doubt and, as I said before, he is the only one who can tell us. To all intents and purposes it looks as if he is hiding something.
    wally
    24th Apr 2015
    2:11pm
    If anyone is discriminated against on the basis of age, religion, sexual persuasion or race in Australia these days it is Caucasian males over 45 years of age.

    And to many of us, Mitzi, no amount of proof will convince some people of something once their minds have been made up. The public uproar and outcry over Lindy Chamberlain and the "Did she or didn't she" arguments in the Azaria Chamberlain disappearance case are a reminder that public opinion can be a reflection of how people can still hold views despite overwhelming and glaring proof to the contrary.

    So this brings us back to Tony. Is he or isn't he? Like the lady in the old hair colouring ad that asked "Is she or isn't she?" (a blonde) "Only she knows for sure", and I guess that also goes for Tony Abbott. Then to add a little more to the mix, you have the matter of privacy and the invasion thereof. So the "mystery" lingers on.
    MITZY
    27th Apr 2015
    4:01pm
    wally: We don't need other examples. Its the law, according to the High Court's decision in other cases and, its apparently in the Constitution as well.
    So, why the embargo? Its not a case of privacy or discrimination it is the law and there is doubt about his validity. If you are the chief politician and running the whole country and having the final say on everything, people need to know that you are doing it all legitimately.
    wally
    2nd May 2015
    6:51pm
    No Mitzy, people with rusted on points of view do not need other examples, as they are incapable of entertaining differing points of view.
    marto
    23rd Apr 2015
    11:07am
    Abbott the rabbit
    get you greasey hands off our wonderful diggers we all have a great debt to repay them best wishes to you all on Anzac day and have a great day I hope to see many of you at the march
    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    11:13am
    marto. 100% behind your comment mate............ our true blue diggers will keep
    marching on as they are as proud as punch........Enjoy your Anzac Day to all the Armed Forces this is your day.
    wally
    24th Apr 2015
    8:42am
    Hi marto. Your comment about Tony's greasy mitts grasping at our wonderful diggers brings up a rather disturbing mental image of what is going on in your mind.

    Here's hoping that the participants in the ANZAC Day marches enjoy a radiant day in the sunshine.
    mangomick
    25th Apr 2015
    11:34pm
    Wally...Pretty sure Marto was referring to Abbott keeping his greasy mitts off the Diggers Pension unless of course Marto is ex navy and then you wouldn't know what was going on in his mind :-)
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    11:51am
    This is typical of this government attacking those services of people who cannot fight back. (although they will fight to keep this country free and in turn allow governments to screw them) While this happens this government will fight tooth and nail to keep the generous concessions for the rich part of town with super, negative gearing etc.

    Both parties are as bad although Labor is now trying to right things something they should have done during their reign.

    Let the so called heavy lifters lift themselves. They don't need lifting with these concessions.
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    1:02pm
    Yes both parties are as bad:

    "In 2009, despite assurances by the Labor Government’s Veterans’ Affairs Minister (Alan Griffin MP), the Treasurer (Wayne Swan MP) and the Minister for Families, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs and Minister for Disability Reform (Jenny Macklin MP) that DVA Disability Pensions were included for Review by Dr Jeffrey Harmer into the Reform for More Secure and Sustainable Pensions, it was omitted. This was seen as a blatant and intentional act of discrimination by the Rudd Labor Government against Disabled Veterans. I.e. the ALP moved the goal posts for all pensions except for DVA Disability Pension."
    http://www.standto.org/latestnews/140-veterans%E2%80%99-disability-pensions-summary
    Jackie
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:08pm
    This government is unbelievable - you can bet your bottom dollar anything they do will disadvantage the people (by which I mean the 80%). The hypocrisy of him always up there with the military, the flags, hogging the limelight, and behind your back cutting the veterans entitlements. The difference in indexation is a huge difference over 10 years. Meanwhile Tony and Co. will be laughing all the way to the bank with their monster lifelong pensions, paid travel, provision of an office and staff (John Howard still trots in to his to dole out a few souvenirs and potter about, at our expense).
    Jackie
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:12pm
    Nobody knows if Tony Abbott is a naturalised Australian or not, because he has arranged for the record to be UNAVAILABLE to us ! No need for secrecy, surely, on such a normal matter. Fortunately he will probably never get this indexation change through, because I would imagine the Greens and Labor, Jacquie Lambie and others in the Senate will unwaveringly oppose it.
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:32pm
    What difference does it make? And if there is a difference does it also apply to Ms Gillard?
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:44pm
    Of course it makes a difference. If they are not Australian citizens then they haven't taken the oath of allegiance. It also means we have a foreigner running our country.
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:49pm
    If Mr Abbott was not an Australian citizen he could not stand for office. So there is no argument to be had.
    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    1:03pm
    KSS wake up mate its about our diggers and the respect our men and women of the armed forces who should be treated with.......... more respect especially from our PM Abbott who is the PM of Australia now..........Our Australian digger should be treated with the respect and not having to beg for a decent pensioners.......our politicians REGARDLESS if their Aussie or English they definitely receive what their wanting for retirement .......did they deserve what their payout was ????NO
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    1:05pm
    So then leave out the vitriol about Mr Abbott and what you suppose to be his nationality and stick to the point.
    Tom Tank
    23rd Apr 2015
    2:16pm
    To labour a point, no pun intended, if he did not relinquish his British Citizenship he is ineligible to be a Member of Parliament. Dual citizenship is by Law prohibited for an M.P.
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    3:06pm
    No vitriol, I find that the problem of Mr Abbott's dual citizenship has been going on for a while. And to date there appears to be no confirmation of his status.

    What are we protecting here, surely it is a simple thing to justify. Considering others have been turfed out because of non conformity this should be a priority. What is being hidden here considering that the FOI request has been refused. Who is protecting who. Our constitution is their for a reason.

    Who is responsible for policing this as they seemed not to be doing anything.

    Having the proof of dual or not dual isn't exactly a state secret or a danger to this country. If it is proved that he has dual citizenship it simply means Malcolm becomes PM. Maybe best for all of us.
    MITZY
    23rd Apr 2015
    4:09pm
    KSS: There is a lengthy post by GEOMAC on 5/9/14 entitled: "Is our PM legally able to hold office"? This post is on yourlifechoices The Meeting Place 5/9/14.
    With respect to Julia Gillard she renounced her British citizenship.
    With respect to Tony Abbott there is a query.
    It is stated he became a naturalized Australian citizen either before or during applying for his Rhodes scholarship at the age of 23(?)

    FOA requests pertaining to whether or not he had filled in the appropriate form renouncing his British citizenship have had "access denied" by the applicants since February 2014.
    Why let a cloud hang over whether you are or are not legally able to hold this office?
    Apparently in the Constitution if you are found to be holding a position to which you are not entitled you could be fined One Hundred Pounds per day of your salary. Accordingly, it didn't stop that person from eventually being employed again by the Public Purse once they had rectified the anomalies! Just imagine what it could cost you by today's standards of a PM's salary. Or maybe it is still the equivalent of One Hundred Pounds converted to today's currency. Just shows how some parts of the Constitution need rectifying and modernising and we know this is on the agenda for the future. Jackie Kelly was challenged and couldn't become an MP until she rectified her situation as she still held NZ/AUST. dual citizenship, and there was another lady in the Senate some time back likewise. Probably many more, who knows.
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:25pm
    "It seems that Woolworths and co aren’t the only ones cashing in on the ANZAC centenary" No it seems YLC and Leon are also. A cynical emotionally charged article designed to cash in on the nostalgia and patriotic fervour of Gallipoli leading up to ANZAC day.

    This is not news. There are mooted changes to the indexation of all aged pensions whether paid by Centrelink or Veteran's Affairs. Or are you saying the Armed Forces pensions should be different to the aged pension? If so then what about the police, emergency service personnel, fire services etc who also put their lives on the line everyday keeping other Australians safe?

    No, this is emotional blackmail by the RSL who are taking the opportunity of the national conscience being focussed on the fallen to make a political point. A cheap shot.
    Daffoir
    24th Apr 2015
    11:07am
    My husband was one of those servicemen for 30 years and he is so over all this poor poor digger stuff. He also will have nothing to do with the RSL given the way they treated the Vietnam vets for the best part of a generation. He reckons doing what he did was/is no different to a copper opening the door on a domestic dispute or a firie/ambo opening a door on a car wreck - you just had to suck it up and do it because you volunteered to be there - even the conscripts did in his early days in the army. Same as stepping back into civvie life. What's the bloody difference between being a number and a nobody: nothing he says except for the shitload of free sports days. So get on with it. He drives me mad ranting about the poor mes many of whom he will not speak anymore to as he reckons they are rorting DVA and taking the dough from the truly hurt ones.
    Judy in the hills
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:34pm
    Gosh its yet another Anti Liberal Day today isn't it. Surely everyone is on the same side wanting our War Vets to be cared for with whatever it takes to make their now very senior lives freer of fear of the cost of living. But unfortunately so much money has been just "lost" over recent years - and you DO HAVE TO PUT BLAME ON THE LABOR GOVERNMENTS OF RUDD/GILLARD/RUDD for a lot of this problem. What was the money credit figure when they came to power after John Howard and what did it so rapidly become?? They (Rudd/Gillard/Rudd) just have to take the blame for the financial mess that happened during their era. It was like no other era in Australian history as far as I know. But I also know the problem now has to be fixed, and the Vets. should not be the ones to shoulder the blame. The 'pensioned off' ex politicians are very eager to get their fingers into all the money they possibly can, and there are many people earning extremely good money who also believe that escaping their tax dues is what they are entitled to do. The taxation on wealth needs to start at the top and be thoroughly looked at. But who is going to do that?
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:54pm
    As well as the money lost we seem to forget about the money given away by various liberal governments as concessions mainly to the rich. And don't give me that trash about heavy lifters as I see our armed forces and all the other people working to benefit us who are the normal people as heavy lifters.

    Again I must point out this is about the forces pensions not who is to blame and they best way to put it right. I do not see punishing those who are disadvantaged or cannot fight for themselves yet leaving those who are already heavily advantaged alone is the way to go.
    Adrianus
    24th Apr 2015
    11:35am
    Judy, I think when Howard and Costello handed Rudd the keys to the vault there was $70 billion and the budget was in surplus.
    They were unpatriotic in their vandalism.
    They were self centred in their chaos.
    They were simply a useless rabble who stood for nothing except whatever the unions and greens wanted and demanded of them.
    They are still there on the other side of the chamber.
    The Rudd/Gillard/Rudd era will go down in Australia's history with shameful embarrassment.
    Lula
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:39pm
    It's outreageous not to give former service men appropiate pensions. All the hype about
    ANZAC is shown for what it is, a political tactic from the government to manipulate the public to achieve its own goals.
    KSS
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:52pm
    Lula, check the amounts. Service pensions are the same as the aged pension just delivered through a different department. The proposed change to indexation is the same for all pensions no matter what their name or from which department they come.
    Anonymous
    23rd Apr 2015
    3:05pm
    Correct KSS. And while I strongly support any campaign to ensure our veterans are treated with respect and paid their fair entitlements, I think the RSL is doing Australia a disservice by compounding division. Firemen, rescue personnel, police, electrical workers, miners, and many others also put their lives on the line for the community, and for the most part they don't receive anything like the benefits veterans enjoy (like free medical care and transport). ALL retirees deserve a fair income in retirement, and ALL retirees should be uniting to demand fairness and decency for everyone. Segregating groups merely plays into the hands of the Government. Divide and conquer is an established rule for winning any battle. Veterans, of all people, should understand that standing together is likely to achieve better outcomes.
    Anonymous
    23rd Apr 2015
    3:05pm
    Correct KSS. And while I strongly support any campaign to ensure our veterans are treated with respect and paid their fair entitlements, I think the RSL is doing Australia a disservice by compounding division. Firemen, rescue personnel, police, electrical workers, miners, and many others also put their lives on the line for the community, and for the most part they don't receive anything like the benefits veterans enjoy (like free medical care and transport). ALL retirees deserve a fair income in retirement, and ALL retirees should be uniting to demand fairness and decency for everyone. Segregating groups merely plays into the hands of the Government. Divide and conquer is an established rule for winning any battle. Veterans, of all people, should understand that standing together is likely to achieve better outcomes.
    MITZY
    23rd Apr 2015
    5:09pm
    People in the services who have not gone to war or have not been engaged in warfare are paid the same pension as us. However, if they have been engaged in a war or wars and have been injured or the like, they are paid higher. The widow/widower pensions are a little higher than the age pension also for those whose spouses were affected. I think this is what this post is about, the men/women on "military" pensions.
    Single Service Pension $860.20 (same as every age pensioner on a full pension).
    War widow(er) Pension $874.10 + $257.80 Income Support Supplement = $1131.90
    Single disability TPI Pension $1,320.50.
    These military personnel who were injured and returned home and could not work for a living rely solely on their pension for everything in their daily life.
    On Saturday when we watch the ceremonies on TV from here or shores afar (Gallipolli) or participate in them in some form or another "Lest We Forget" should be foremost in our thoughts and the thoughts of our government. Sending men and women to war is not an easy thing to do, and our governments send them away, praising them for their efforts on our behalf, and telling them they will be looked after when they return. How well are they looking after the ones who are suffering with injuries that are not visible such as PTSD? Some are suffering since Vietnam with PTSD. So now, its come to just lets treat them as "leaners", change the goal posts and reduce their pensions the same way as they intend to reduce other pensions. Hopefully this will not happen, the Opposition, Greens, Independents (thanks for this type of Senate long may it reign) will squash it with respect to all pensions.
    nena
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:40pm
    Stop all kind of war. Killing of any kind and in any circumstances is immoral and inhumane. The sad past should not be forgotten but not celebrated.

    If the so called civilised cultures are not the first to stop the killing no body is going to and the pain would continue for ever and ever. Stop now.
    Not a Bludger
    23rd Apr 2015
    12:44pm
    More left leaning moaning from the"Get Abbott at all costs" brigade - almost all of which completely ignores the facts.
    Tom Tank
    23rd Apr 2015
    2:13pm
    A study of the wars Australia has been involved in over the last 60 years, Vietnam, Gulf war and Afganistan have all been at the behest of the LNP with a Prime Minister who had never been is a war themselves.
    Strangely none of the children, who were of an age to serve their country, joined up either.
    Given this simple fact it is my contention they should now do their bit by ensuring our servicemen and women are provided with proper and full support both medically and physically with proper pensions in their retirement.
    We have politicians retiring on very generous pensions while still earning significant incomes from cosy Government positions or lucrative speaking tours while dudding the very people they used to heap praise on. They spoke with "forked tongues".
    All politicians should be barred for making speeches on Anzac Day.
    MITZY
    23rd Apr 2015
    2:25pm
    Yes, yes, yes Leon Della Bosca. I definitely would feel a whole lot better if the $62.5 million savings anticipated to be received from this senseless idea, came from reducing benefits of corporations, politicians and the wealthiest 2% as you suggest. However, we know this will never happen.
    Rosebud
    23rd Apr 2015
    2:27pm
    OMG! You lot below are certainly showing your biased Politics. Why don't you all apply to run this Country and get us out of the massive debt the PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT got this Country into.
    They sprook about getting us through the financial crisis ( I might add, with surplus money they inherited ) and then went on handing out money left right and center and then some
    leaving a $58M to $64 M Black Hole for others to fill. We may have got through the Financial Crisis back then but we are certainly up to our necks in deep shot with one now.

    If you people were saying these things about Tony Abbott outside this forum you could be charged with Defemation of Character. If you lot did as much as Tony Abbott has given and done for the community before and outside the PM Duties you might have something
    squawk about.
    I am all for the Defence Forces being deserving but not all employees in the Defence Forces go or have been involved in War nor will they be and their jobs are no more important than our Police, Ambulance, Firefighter and any other Rescuers who put their lives on the line everyday of their working lives in our Country.
    My friend told me her Son had put his hand up to go Afghanistan but did not get picked and was very disappointed because he missed out on the upfront $20,000 give to each for going.
    With all the knowledgeable contributors here maybe someone could verify this for me please.
    Anonymous
    23rd Apr 2015
    2:59pm
    Yes, Rosebud, soldiers are well paid and receive generous tax breaks for going overseas. And many others in the community do contribute as much or more and also put their lives on the line, as you correctly point out. It's not just our veterans who have cause to complain about this Government's meanness - but all who worked hard for their country, and I wish people would stop dividing and boxing and unite for the common good.
    As for the black hole, though, you are sadly mistaken. A $40 billion deficit today is the result of the Howard and Costello Government giving massive tax cuts - 80% of which went to the top 20% of income earners. Common sense fairness says that those who scored well in good times should make sacrifices in hard times, but instead the Abbott Government wants to slug those who benefited least from the boom. It's easy to blame the Rudd Government for overspending, but really their major error was not reversing the Howard/Costello tax cuts when they saw that that generosity was no longer affordable. Of course doing so would have resulted in them being kicked out of office, and the tax cuts would have been reinstated.
    Sadly, the LNP has lost its way and it now seeks to cut services and cut the incomes of the needy to fund generous handouts to the well-off. There are so many opportunities to wipe out the debt without hurting the battlers of this nation. Fix the absurdly unfair superannuation tax concessions that punish low income earners for saving and give huge handouts to the rich. Cut the excessively generous handouts to well-to-do families. Clamp down on tax evasion.
    But leave ALL pensioners alone. The CPI does NOT in any way reflect the increases in cost of living for pensioners and battlers. That's why there is a separate ''Pensioners and Beneficiaries Cost of Living Index''.
    I call on veterans to withdraw from regarding themselves as a separate and elite group with special entitlements and recognize that firemen, police, rescue workers, and many others - like electrical linesmen, miners, etc. - made an equally valuable and self-sacrificing contribution to this country and have an equal entitlement to a fair pension and health and social benefits. Veterans actually get a reasonably good deal by comparison with many others - not nearly good enough, but better than most. They should be supporting a general demand for fairness to all - not contributing to the division that empowers that Government and makes it far easier for them to deal with retirees unjustly.
    Wstaton
    23rd Apr 2015
    3:10pm
    Good to read some reasonable comment.
    Anonymous
    23rd Apr 2015
    4:09pm
    You have to be kidding pensioners are way overpaid and get concessions on everything and if you haven't got a few bob put away when a big account comes in its your own fault, look at your life style before you went on the pension perhaps one too many drinks or liked the ponies to much and this leaves you now in the you know what.
    MITZY
    23rd Apr 2015
    5:42pm
    Nothing's that straightforward ROBO. You can't put all pensioners into one category of "lifestyle" drinkers, gamblers etc. Not every one is equal and never will be.
    Times are tough at the moment, people are losing their jobs with no prospects of work around the corner. Nothing much changes from decade to decade - there are peaks and troughs aplenty. This determines if some of the more equal are lucky enough to hold jobs all of their working lifetime and retire with a reasonable nest egg or some become unable to work through injury or other means. Loads of factors occur in a lifetime, and they are not all due to drinking, smoking or gambling. It would be interesting to see an account of a single pensioner with a disability for say half of his working life or even longer, living in their own home with all the costs that involves how they manage in this day and age to keep afloat.
    He or she can't do their own repairs, they can't mow their lawns or paint their houses. They have possibly huge medical expenses not all covered by workers' compensation or the like. Depending on where they live they may not even have public transport and need to catch subsidised taxis to appointments. The subsidies are not substantial. If they live entirely on a single age pension I don't think they would consider they were overpaid. Council rates, insurances, etc. are bills that are determined whether there is one or six or more people living there. If you turn on a light the cost is the same if there are one or six or more people living there. If cost of living increases, people seek higher wages, which result in more higher costs to those who work and even higher costs to those who are on pensions. If pensions are then determined not on 27.1/2% of Male Average Earnings but CPI, then they become poorer. I wonder how the military pensioners will cope with their reductions.
    Hawkeye
    23rd Apr 2015
    9:57pm
    ROBO,
    what a disgusting, small-minded, venomous little person you must be.
    Perhaps Joe Hockey/Gina Rinehart's love-child.
    Patriot
    24th Apr 2015
    7:13am
    Shame on you ROBO!
    Patriot
    24th Apr 2015
    7:53am
    Hawkeye
    With the personality displayed there would not be any LOVE involved I bet!!
    I agree, a disgracefull attitude
    wally
    24th Apr 2015
    8:51am
    What's next ROBR? Shall the "Gummint" lower the income tax threshold to include the fortnightly pittance paid to the pensioners? After all, if pensioners are getting enough money to pay for electricity and computers to participate in debates such as the one we are having now, it is obvious that they are over paid.

    So the solution is to reduce all those pesky pensioners to a return to Dickensian squalor.
    BElle
    23rd Apr 2015
    3:59pm
    Our current government never ceases to astound us. Their total lack of understanding and appreciation of War Veterans and those who support them is staggering in its ineptitude. Their lack of understanding and appreciation of the welfare of pensioners, aged pensioners in particular, beggars belief. Do they really not understand that the current reiirees do not have the luxury of Superannuation. The meagre amount that some in their early 70's is below the poverty line. What Superannuation was available was not only at a much lower rat as low as 3%, but on a much lower income base. My final annual salary was less than my grandchildren have started their careers on. They have training, as we did, but they do not have the experience in either work or life. There is simply no justice in the current governments thinking.
    jamesmn
    23rd Apr 2015
    4:28pm
    tony abbot is a 1 term prime minister he wants to attack every ones pays except his own he is the highest paid prime minister in the world even beating the American he needs to reduce his pay by at least I/4 its totally ridulacious what he and hockey get its past a joke and he needs to back in touch with everything they are that far out of touch leave our ex servicemens pays alone leave our pensions pays alone they are off limits compleatley
    TREBOR
    23rd Apr 2015
    5:12pm
    I'm not up on the facts and figures involved, but my view has always been that war widow's and disabled veteran's pensions should be AWE as compensation for loss and to give them and family a fair chance in life.

    Like Aged etc Pensions, any move to produce a lower rate of increase is a loss... and unworthy of any government of Australia.
    MITZY
    24th Apr 2015
    10:46am
    Trebor: See my post above re the pensions at 5.09 p.m.
    BB1
    23rd Apr 2015
    5:28pm
    ROBO - I disagree with you that the age pensioners did nothing for their pensions, These are the people who have built Australia, lousy wages and conditions, not like you have now a days. My father was to old to go to the second world war and too young for the 1st, but he worked at Cockatoo Island here in Sydney, repairing the ships that went to War.
    Yes he got home at night, but getting to and from work was a nightmare, no petrol so you had to use public transport, start at 7am in the morning so meant leaving at 5am to get their on time or your wage was docked. Most older Australians did something during the War, the women did mens work, who did you think took over the jobs of men when the men went to war, the older generation and women. Get on and learn some history of our country and what the people back in Australia and other countries went through to keep the countries running.
    Tia-Maria by the sound of it he is talking about those who didn't go to the war.
    What did my father die of early, fumes from being a boiler maker repairing these ships that went to war and building the ships. I bet now a days a boiler maker has better conditions to work in than my father had. It's ROBO who needs a history lesson of the past on what happened at the home front during the war.
    tia-maria
    23rd Apr 2015
    7:46pm
    BB1...........Yes your right mate, I agree with your comment I know Cockatoo Island very well (as myself a Balmain girl from the early days) My father also worked hardback here while my grandparents were away fighting overseas.
    cheers mate
    Not Senile Yet!
    23rd Apr 2015
    11:51pm
    All of the Right & Left Wingers...Party Machine Puppets...Party Machine Brainwashed idealists.....seem to forget one thing!!!
    It was the Pensioners and Self -funded Retirees that paid all the taxes that built ALL the Infrastructure you currently enjoy!!!!
    In a Country that had Half the Tax Paying Population that now exists, their taxes ....be they Federal, State or Council paid for every road, bridge, railroad, public buildings like Libraries, Hospitals, Nursing Homes etc.... not to leave out the BRAND NEW Parliament House in Canberra!!!!
    Attacking the INCOME of these retirees is an absolute DISGRACE for ANY Government...or Party!!!!
    Turning up on Anzac Day and then secretly plotting to cut the Pensions of those that survived it the most outrageous hypocritical act of any Modern Day Prime Minister!!!
    SHAME ON YOU ABBOTT....you will go down in history as the Politician that was the MOST deceitful liar as well as the one who broke ALL his Election Promises.
    Nobody wants him or his Party anymore...he has shown that he is not a Leader....just a Party Machine Puppet.....who is prepared to divide our Great Country into Haves and Have nots with his directly discriminating policies that target those who cannot defend themselves.
    The diggers themselves....even tho they are loyal to their Country....would be turning in their graves to witness this outrageous attack on the Hard Working Retirees & Pensioners...be they Armed Forces or Not!!!
    Connecting any Pension to CPI is JUST about COST CUTTING to save a Dollar in the SHORT TERM and trying to make the Liberals look good by turning the deficit around!!!
    But the Deficit has come about by the HOLES in the Bucket....Holes that are directly as a result of UNFAIR exemptions from Taxation (which is a gift from the other tax payers) for the Select Few who can afford to put large amounts into Super.
    Time the Government put a Stop to Salary Sacrifice for Super Contributions....Time they removed all EXEMPTIONS allowed in ALL Funds.
    Time also to stop Paying themselves more pay rises and higher pay rises than any other member of the Public.
    Their Superannuation should be with-held under the same Rules as everybody else's is.....and access denied for the same reasons.
    Both the Party Machines are destroying our Parliamentary System with Corrupt Policies that divide our great Nation into Liberal or Labor Voters!!!
    Neither deserve your vote....Neither have Your Interests at heart anymore....Both are only interested in their Extreme Left or Extreme Right Wing Policies!!! Neither can compromise and be fair to ALL!!!
    Not Senile Yet!
    24th Apr 2015
    12:07am
    As for the Rebel Senators blocking legislation in the Senate....they are not holding the Government to Ransom at all....they are doing their duty by refusing to Pass Legislation that directly attacks and discriminates against sections of our society that cannot defend themselves!!!
    They are asking for amendments or for the Government to find other alternatives to find savings than taking it from those who can least afford it!!!
    Watch out both Parties....we Baby Boomers have been targeted by you both......yet we paid higher taxes to build all the infrastructure and their were less of us!!!!
    Lying about not being able to afford the Pension for the Grey Baby Boomers doesn't wash with us....We know that the Labor & Liberal Parties BOTH agreed to raid the Cookie Jar put aside to provide for us in the 90's and was never replaced---repaid!!!!
    We all know that Both Parties are Lying about why the Budget is not Balancing.....We know you have more taxpayers than ever...more than double the population....with far less debt directed to finance Public Infrastructure.....because you have Privatised MOST of it!!!
    We are not ignorant nor are we unable to respond!!!
    The Grey Army will double in size and votes......and now the RSL will join us.....Goodbye Liberal Party.....and if Labor want our Votes....they better step up to the Plate with decent proposals.....because they are guaranteed to get our votes either!!!
    Wish someone would form an Independent Party and agree that all members once elected can vote how they wish on issues affecting their electorate......they would create a nightmare for the Big Two Corrupt Machines!!!
    Patriot
    24th Apr 2015
    7:10am
    NSY,
    You deserve to take a "Deep Breath" for issues "Well Addressed".
    THEY'RE A "BUNCH of THIEVES & CRIMINALS" THAT DO NOT DESERVE OUR CONSIDERATION.

    Have a look at the Newly Formed Mature Age Party which is expanding Nation Wide. It has Citizens Initiated Referendum (CIR) on its MAIN Platform which ensures "A Voice & Control by & FOR the People" as it allows for "Passed Legislation" to be reversed, Politicians to be sacked and can force legislation & issues to be "Tabled & Passed" in parliament.
    In other words, DIRECT & PARTICIPATORY" DEMOCRACY.
    It can put US - The Australian People - back in the "Drivers Seat" where, according to the Australian Constitution, we belong.
    Corporations: "Go to Buggery!!!".

    And yes, the Anzacs deserve to be looked after.
    SHAME ON YOU TONY & JOE!!!
    Young Simmo
    24th Apr 2015
    1:11am
    OK, I am probably making a slight change of subject, but here goes.
    I personally think that all the Who-Ha about Woollies and Coles using the word Anzac in their adds was a storm in a tea cup. If anything I think it was a compliment, but there are a lot of people out there that will say anything to get their name in the news. These days with the electronic world being able to transmit an opinion in seconds everybody seems to be trying to cash in. Settle down people and talk about the important things like, most speeding fines are in the City, when most road deaths occur in the country. Boy I stuck my head out this time, please don't be too hard on me.
    MITZY
    24th Apr 2015
    11:15am
    Young Simmo: It wasn't the use of the word ANZAC in Woolies (not Coles) advertising it was the use of the word FRESH. They didn't really mean to cause a problem but their advertising of a soldier in uniform and underneath it was written:
    "Fresh In Our Memories" and the next line WOOLWORTHS in bold writing and their well-known and advertised "Apple" Logo. This caused a lot of social media comment and the Minister had to instruct Woolies to take the ad down. There was also another advertisement with a Child draped in the flag looking up at a sign "Fresh" stories CAMP GALLIPOLI. This was supposed to be for people to share their family memories etc. but it turned out to be more than just that. Others (such as TARGET) had advertisements to purchase Anzac memorabilia, again they didn't have permission.
    There was another advert for a website, namely: freshinourmemories.com.au depicting a soldier carrying another soldier over one of his shoulders.
    They took the opportunity to associate themselves and push their "fresh" advertising and company logo with the memory of ANZAC and all it means.
    Not a good look at all.
    You can read all about it at www.smh.com.au/business/media-market.
    Adrianus
    24th Apr 2015
    12:34pm
    What has happened to the Byron Bay ANZAC cookies which are HALAL certified? Are they still in circulation?
    Young Simmo
    24th Apr 2015
    12:53pm
    Yeh Frank that should throw a different slant on things. TV and radio stations use the word ANZAC a million times in a million different circumstances and nobody says Boo. It is just a hand full of idiots that look for something to stir the pot.
    Getting your name on TV makes you famous, at least that's what the idiots think.
    MITZY
    27th Apr 2015
    4:20pm
    Simmo:
    It was a direction from the Minister for Woolies to take the advertisement off TV because they were not permitted to associate their company and ANZAC by advertising using the wording ["Fresh" In Our Memories"].
    T-Shirts, Mugs, etc. at Target also had to be withdrawn from sale because they didn't have permission to use the ANZAC symbols. Nothing to do with a handful of idiots. There are hundreds upon hundreds of names and symbols people are not allowed to use. ANZAC is precious and doesn't need to be associated with Woolies"fresh" apples or "fresh" anything else for that matter.
    mangomick
    24th Apr 2015
    8:49am
    Seems to me the poor old digger is coping it both ends. The Military personnel superannuation fund earn is only getting CPI increases until they collect it and not accumulating market performance like most super schemes, they cant take it and roll it over into an industry fund when they leave the Force and now when they finally get to take the pension the increase will be at CPI and not keep pace with average male earnings.
    Adrianus
    24th Apr 2015
    10:41am
    I think the savings could easily be found by reducing Welfare. A little cut on the aged Pension would easily amount to $65m.
    MITZY
    24th Apr 2015
    11:54am
    A little cut on the top 2% who pay the least tax; a little more tax taken from the multi-nationals etc. stop the superannuation rorts to the high income earners parking their money in just another so-called tax haven etc. This would bring in more than $65m.
    Hockey knows where he can close the loop-holes he just hasn't got the gumption to do it. It's o.k. to say Liberal governments don't like taxing, but surely in the current situation even if you don't tax, you should close loop-holes that are bleeding the Treasury's coffers dry.
    A little cut on the age pension to raise $65m?! Forget it, there are heaps of people/businesses/multi-nationals "leaning" on the so-called "leaners" who pay and/or paid tax at the coal-face. Aged pensioners are not over-paid. Many exist entirely on their fortnightly pension through various circumstances. I doubt very much there are thousands of wastrels among them.
    We realise that people who have considerable finances behind them are not doing anything wrong by arranging, with their accountants/financial advisers their retirement and their super and whatever other assets they have in order to get even $1 of aged pension and all the benefits that attach to that $1 and nobody has ever challenged their good fortune, good on them. Just leave the aged pension, service pension, veterans and widow/widower pensions as they are. No changes to the current system of how pensions are calculated as of 2017.
    However, just because we may be better off and could manage to have a little cut in our aged pension, doesn't mean that those on the full aged pension and no other visible means of support could afford a cut to theirs.
    Nobody on the full age pension has ever (until now) suggested those on a $1 pension should be unentitled to it.
    Its an attitude of this government to look after their mates and hit the people on low incomes and pensions. Most of these people are the least able to get to the top of the pile and become "lifters". Even less will they be able if they can't afford an education to get there as well.
    There is hardly a person these days with an ounce of compassion for anyone else.
    Wstaton
    24th Apr 2015
    12:16pm
    Great reply MITZY,

    It puzzles me that when talk about fixing up the super rorts. Mr Abbott says that they are not into raising taxes. What taxes This is a concession not a tax.

    What is also forgotten is that most of the tax raised is from the lower paid people who spend most or if not all their income on food and services. This in itself would have a dramatic effect if pensions were reduced.
    Adrianus
    24th Apr 2015
    12:43pm
    HA HA. I thought that would stir up a little, "hey not in my back yard" kind of sentiment.
    Class Warfare? he he, it's easy for Shorten and Milne to rally the ignorant for a little class warfare. I wonder how far they will go? Don't we have enough wars to fight? Haven't we fought in enough wars?
    The only war we haven't had is the one between ourselves, and I fear that is getting closer.
    wally
    24th Apr 2015
    2:26pm
    Well might we say "God bless the ANZACs and the sacrifices they made for Australia in the times of Australia's greatest need", BUT don't you dare suggest any body else (except the "Well Off") should sacrifice anything. Remember the uproar made over the Medicare $5 co-contribution the government suggested? The way people carried on then, you'd think Tony and Joe were asking us all to sacrifice our first born children on the alter.

    But then, that's Class Warfare and the Politics of Envy for you, isn't it. What is Good for the Goose (that you) isn't going to apply to me (the Gander)
    worker
    24th Apr 2015
    11:28am
    The armed forces and age pensions cuts are not justified but, removing the life time pensions and other perks of MP employees of the Australian citizens when they leave parliament (eg there employment as employees) is fully justified as this brings them in line with all other employees who do not get life time perks and pensions payed for after leaving there employer.
    Mp superannuation should be in line with all other employees nation ward.

    savings could pay for both age and arm forces pensions.

    What's the number and daily weekly yearly costs.

    Number of State government MPs on some form of life time pension and other perks.
    Number of federal government MPs on some time of life time pension and other perks.
    Supernan
    24th Apr 2015
    3:50pm
    As far as I am aware the Martin Place terrorist did not come to Aust as a Refugee. The local Muslims have been warning the Police about him for years. He had been convicted of crimes & yet was out on bail. Why does that mean all refugees are blamed by people writing below - how irrational !

    In my opinion if all old age pensions are to be changed from being linked to the Basic wage to CPI index, then its OK for Vetereans pensions to be treated the same way. Personally I think its wrong to change either of the. They both should be left as is.
    AquarianIdealist
    24th Apr 2015
    4:05pm
    I think it is the most disgusting action that any leader could even contemplate. I wonder what the response would be if we suggested that politicians receive a similar change to their pension. If this proposal goes ahead, the Prime Minister will always be remembered as the PM who showed no gratitude to our valiant military personnel.
    clackers30
    25th Apr 2015
    2:58am
    When my son was discharged for medical reasons obtained during service from the RAN his huge pension was $6.00 per week Yes its not a typo six whole dollars...He had to fight for the lousy couple of hundred he gets a fortnight. Luckily he doesnt have a family to support but lives at home with his family"s support. Thats why I will never vote labor, lnp or greens they support either big business, illegals and themselves.
    clackers30
    25th Apr 2015
    3:07am
    Actually KSS its not racist to state facts as stated by tia-maria. Abbott is actually in breach of the Australian constitution and should never have been allowed to stand as a prime minister as he holds dual citizenship. Under the constitution he is supposed to renounce his British citizenship and hasnt done so. Both labor and lnp keep changing the rules to suit themselves. Dont be fooled behind closed doors they all drink and dine together. Its only for the public they distance themselves from each other.
    particolor
    25th Apr 2015
    4:53pm
    That's well known by people with BOTH EYES OPEN !! :-)
    Adrianus
    26th Apr 2015
    12:17pm
    So you claim Abbott is lying when he tells us that he surrendered his UK passport over 20 years ago when entering parliament?
    Please provide proof? By the way, I learned a long time ago that pretty women also fart. Have you got anything more revealing?
    Wstaton
    26th Apr 2015
    1:50pm
    Lets face it he has already lied about a lot of things.
    particolor
    26th Apr 2015
    3:05pm
    Politicians do not Lie !! Furphies, Untruths, Skulduggery, Dishonest Speeches, Wanky Dooly, Public Misunderstanding ?, Etc., Etc. But NEVER a Lie !! :-)
    MITZY
    27th Apr 2015
    4:34pm
    Frank: Around the same time as the rumours started about Abbott's dual (or not dual) citizenship is the same time as an embargo was put on the records so the Press could not access the information. The Freedom of Information embargo only occurred in February 2014.
    Adrianus
    27th Apr 2015
    4:46pm
    Now there are two things that can fuel ones curiosity, rumours and embargo. I wonder which came first? If it was embargo then the rumour would not only have fertile ground but also ensure it's longevity. It was probably in the Murdoch Press.
    pate
    26th Apr 2015
    4:29pm
    It would seem that the title of this conversation was the RSL takes aim at Abbott yet all I am reading in the readers answeres is a lot of Labor v Liberal comments way off the subject as fas as I an concerned.
    particolor
    27th Apr 2015
    9:21pm
    Its all over ! The RSL Didn't Miss !! :-)
    Adrianus
    28th Apr 2015
    9:05am
    The title should be 'Everyone takes aim at Abbott.' And for pate's benefit, there will be none of those remarks defending Abbott. Simply uncalled for. :)
    Wstaton
    28th Apr 2015
    9:13am
    Hoe do you defend the indefensible.
    Adrianus
    28th Apr 2015
    9:40am
    I am more focussed on results than "he said she said," "Bill doesn't like him so we don't either."
    I don't care much for personalities unlike many people who only voted for Kevin 007 because they liked him. He had an opportunity to achieve something positive for Australia and did nothing but get us deeper into trouble. But to many people it only matters that you like someone to vote for them. He conned you and everyone else into thinking that he could do something special and we are still paying the price. He left a trail of disasters and sadness. Had he done that something special I would have voted for him even though I didn't like his bull crap. Results are what count!
    Wstaton
    28th Apr 2015
    10:10am
    Exactly the reason I will not vote LNP. I don't like liars who get into government by them. I also don't like liars who boot the people who can't fight back until the next election. Likable or not I will not vote for anyone who use nefarious methods to pull people in.

    by the way what results and don't spout "We stopped the boats" etc that's wearing people out.
    Adrianus
    28th Apr 2015
    10:41am
    Wstaton, yours is an emotive argument which will never stand up to scrutiny. Try focussing on the results.
    You will be surprised when Labor finally reveal their policies. They will be very similar to the policies of the Abbott government. They can now see that policies such as "Direct Action" are working better so they will drop the idea of a Carbon Tax. Labor now understand that they made a mistake by getting rid of the Howard "turn back the boats" policy and will adopt that same policy.
    Labor will give us more u-turns and roundabouts all leading to a cul de sac.
    But can we trust those people? Can we take them on their word? By the way when people call someone a liar, it makes them sound like a school kid, he he he.
    Wstaton
    28th Apr 2015
    12:05pm
    I am not being emotive. Just saying how it is for both parties.
    Direct action has to be seen to work yet. All the polluters have got is the money. Which incidentally has come from us the taxpayers. Now we have seen this government trying to cut down in other areas in order to pay for it. So what has been won here. We seem to have forgotten since the carbon tax was removed the really heavy polluters have increased their emissions and have not subscribed yet. So when they do come in what will they subscribe to, to reduce their emissions from those that increased or the emission levels that were in place before the carbon tax was dumped. And may I say when they do come in the cost to the taxpayer will skyrocket. Has this been taken into account?

    So what will really happen. The Carbon tax was reducing emissions at a cost to people or we pay for the polluters at a cost of money not going to other well needed areas. The Forces super and retirement pay is one in question.

    All I see is that the goal posts have been shifted.

    By the way, can we always take Abbott at his word, his word wasn't all that truthful before the election.
    Adrianus
    28th Apr 2015
    4:28pm
    Labor now agrees that Direct Action is working.
    Spitfire
    27th Apr 2015
    9:16am
    It is time for the parasites Abbott and Hockey to go they have no idea on how to resolve current financial issues and persist in trying to rob the easy targets. Pensioners being the soft target, anyone who waves their hands around like Abbott and Hockey clearly do not have any idea what thy are talking about. When are these clowns going to get the message we the electorate voted them in and can just as quickly vote them out with a no confidence motion. Bring it on quickly I say, for the sake of all of us.
    Not Senile Yet!
    27th Apr 2015
    10:26pm
    No Attack on any Pensions is OK!!! WHY????
    Because the Liberal Party had Tony Abbot repeat ..TIME & TIME AGAIN in their pre-election Advertising that They Would Not change Medicare, the Pensions or the Unemployment/disability Payments.
    As soon as they were in ....straight out attack to dismantle or change in an effort to diminish the outlay....justified by "We didn't put the country in the Red!"
    Both are outright Lies!!!
    The budget went into surplus because of generous packages legialated by the Liberal Party prior to Labor getting in...well known and reported fact....that Labor were unable to correct because the Liberals had control of the Independents in the Senate at that time!!!
    Now they complain because the Independants' have turned on their total lack of Responsibility to the Public to honour their election Promises.
    As for the the Labor Party...they have been just as guilty in overspending within the budget as the Liberals before them....so we have a double whammy!!!
    But now Abbot has signed a deal for 50billion worth of Planes from USA whilst taking money from Pensioners and pleading Broke!!!
    If they are broke ...how can they afford to order Planes, send more defence forces overseas and bleed the taxpayer even more than the amount that we are in deficit????
    No , No, NO!! Me thinks that BOTH Parties are so used to telling Porkies.....that they think we are all MUGS and believe their lies!!!
    Abbot & Hocking are just Puppets to the Liberal Caucus....just as the Labor leaders were to the Labor Caucus!!!!
    Puppets do what they are told!!!
    Stop voting for the Party Puppets if you want a different outcome!!!
    Parliament is about Healthy debate....not Puppets nodding their heads because they are bought!!!
    We the Voters have to change who we vote for if we want a different outcome!!!
    I know most over 50's are not happy at all being labelled Leaners just because we are a Large number of Baby Boomers!!!
    The Grey Vote will definitely decide the Next Election...the real question is......will they decide to vote for Neither of the Parties???
    Adrianus
    28th Apr 2015
    9:24am
    We had to get the Labor, Greens, Independents out before they ruined our country. They lost control over our borders. They lost control of our budget. They wasted our strong economic position. This government is doing a great job of fixing the mess. Australia has stopped being a laughing stock and has become an example of good responsible governance. Europe is now looking to Australia for answers to the very problems being solved by the Abbott government. NSY, you can sit at home on election day, but not me, I do not want this country to go back to the awful past.
    Rosebud
    28th Apr 2015
    2:30pm
    For goodness sake you one eyed lot GROW UP! YOU are still squwarking about what you THINK you might loose AND the disgraceful comments about people YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW REALLY.
    Just remember promises had to be broken when the elected Government realised just what the TRUE FINANCIAL DEBT THEY WERE LEFT WITH REALLY WAS, well over and above what the LABOUR PARTY CLAIMED before and during the election.

    Do you ignorant people mean to say the current Government would have promised what they could not deliver and suffer the backlash they are now receiving.

    Maybe most of you wingers should give up the mindset of give me, give me, take, take,. You want it all and do nothing but winge and name call, you think you know everything an know nothing. What's the saying......."Never complain about someone until you walk in in their shoes"
    Get it through your heads, We are now paying back THE MONEY THE LABOUR dished out,out,out without thinking about how they were going to sustain their mindset
    Adrianus
    28th Apr 2015
    4:26pm
    Rosebud the Labor, Greens, Independent Government went about their job knowingly. Their spiteful goal was to spend and borrow as much as possible. Not satisfied with spending todays income they committed the government to massive unsustainable future spending commitments.
    The idea was that a future coalition government would have no wiggle room and would be seen as easy political targets when trying to fix the mess. What a disgraceful bunch to leave us in such a position.
    Rosebud
    28th Apr 2015
    5:13pm
    "Not Senile Yet" I would say if you think the Oldies will determine the outcome of the next election by voting for.......Who? The Independents, eg. RICKY MUIR, Ha! Jackie Lambie, Ha!, Clive Palmer,Ha! The Greens. Ha!......and so on. Well you are certainly on your "To being Senile"
    Open your mind to relaty and look at the real picture and stop nit picking every little thing this Government Does which is propagated by the Media.


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