DSP approval rates hit new low

Only 36.9 per cent of DSP applicants were approved last financial year.

DSP approval rates hit new low

Social Services Minister Scott Morrison revealed yesterday that the rate at which applicants are being approved for a Disability Support Pension (DSP) has fallen to just 36.9 per cent – the lowest in a decade. This is a major turnaround compared to the 64.5 per cent approval rate of 2008-9 when 91,131 applications were approved, compared to just 41,832 in the last financial year.

Mr Morrison was required with “stopping the bludgers” in December of last year, which saw the implementation of rule changes that now affect all applicants. Any new applicant for the DSP is now required to see a Commonwealth-contracted doctor to have their claim independently assessed.

“The Abbott Government is serious about ensuring the integrity of our welfare safety net,” Mr Morrison said. “This means ensuring it is focused on those most in need of support while cracking down on those who want to game the system.”

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Opinion: DSP safety net disappears

Last financial year there were 113,365 new applicants for a DSP. While 41,832 people were approved, a staggering 71,533 didn’t meet the requirements of the new assessment criteria for Commonwealth-contracted doctors. The number of Australians on the DSP in 2014-15 decreased to 814,391, taking us well below 2011-12 levels.

It’s clear that under the new, stricter guidelines, only the most serious of cases are now being approved, although one has to wonder how many people in genuine need have had their applications rejected. Yes, there is no doubt that a handful of ‘bludgers’, as Mr Morrison has called them, will not be approved for a DSP, but at what cost to those who may need these benefits?

It’s a worrying trend to see a government going out of its way to actively decrease the number of people who receive the DSP – a payment that has been set up as a safety net for those who need it most.

What do you think? Is the use of Commonwealth-contracted doctors for independent assessments reasonable, or do you think the agenda has been set for these doctors by the government? Do you believe that 63 per cent of DSP applicants could be “bludgers”?





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    dougie
    14th Jul 2015
    10:20am
    Sir,
    Having worked in both the Job Placement and Disability fields I think that this is a good thing to begin to look closely at those who are on or are requesting Disability Support. In the past I have seen Governments who want to lower the Unemployment rate require anyone who was remotely likely to have a disability recommended for this payment rather than stay on Jobsearch or similar programs which increased the unemployment rate. Many accepted this as either their fate or good fortune and remained there for years. In Disability Services I dealt with people with real disabilities and hey guess what, their proudest moment was when they could get some sort of a supervised job no matter how small the remuneration or how much they were actually able to contribute to the workplace. They were so proud!
    Now is the time for those who are able to work and to contribute to be out there and do so and as long as the selection of those to go off Disability Benefits is done with care and sensible guidelines, you good thing. This will then allow those who have a definite need to be looked after and provided for. At least Morrison is trying to help those who need help.
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    11:42am
    And maybe remove those who are clearly malingers faking illness. Hard to sometimes tell but that is what private investigators do.
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    11:47am
    They used to have private investigators during the 60's and 70's that worked out of the 9 to 5 hours and were very effective.
    lasaboy
    14th Jul 2015
    12:25pm
    my concern is the treatment of those with disabilities, I know of one young lady who had to leave school because she was deathly ill and remains so after two years, she was harassed by centrelink for months to get a job even though it was impossible for her to get out of bed most days, this in turn cause anxiety which made her illness worse, whats needed is heart in the system
    Paicey58
    14th Jul 2015
    12:41pm
    Thanks Dougie.
    I think you have answered this question perfectly and with great deal of understanding and sensitivity to the real people who do require this type of assistance. Well done.
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    3:59pm
    Good to har from someone who worked in the field and saw what was "really" going on.
    I also believe Scott Morrison is trying his best to weed out the malingers and to also look after those who are genuine and need the Disability Pension.

    I see nothing wrong with the tack he is taking. People who are genuine have nothing to fear; it is those who are seeing off the system who need to be worried and I personally know of one person who is physically capable in every way but supposedly a bit "slow". She is ompetent to bring up a family, cook, wash and iron and also have a part time job at the Perth Show every year flipping hamburgers. If she can do that she can have a job in the food industry...say McDonalds.

    If you had a conversation with this woman you would never know that she supposedly has an intellectual problem. Her mother has been intervening every time she had to front for an interview. I have no idea how she has been able to keep this disability pension for the 23 years I have known her...it defies belief.
    Luchar
    14th Jul 2015
    4:50pm
    Well written, dougie and others. Finally a program which is going to call a halt to those found to be rorting the system. But, of course, without a single example to put forward, Drew has to add that "...one has to wonder how many people in genuine need have had their application rejected." Fear not, Drew, I'm sure that Fairfax, the ABC and Q and A are already looking for such a person to put in the headlines while ignoring the many who are stealing from the taxpayer.
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    8:55pm
    WELL! This certainly brought out the haters....

    Why don't we just wait and see exactly how many genuine 'malingerers' wonder boy Morrison actually gets out of the system.

    Seems to me that too many of you have bought the line that people who get something from this 'government' must all be doing so under false pretences.

    Are you going to apply the same standards to Ambos, Firies, Nurses, Police, Veterans etc as you do to the rest?

    I think not.... which means many of you need to carefully consider your stated position and seek some facts to support it.

    Morrison may move the goal posts and browbeat the rather poor quality medical graduates they seem to employ these days (yep - been there) into affixing a totally artificial line on what is and what isn't a disability - but at the end of the day the number who are thrown off will be nil - and the only change will be that those who apply will find it harder to get through.
    LiveItUp
    14th Jul 2015
    10:02pm
    If you are capable of working you should be encouraged to do so unless you can support yourself without relying on welfare.
    dougie
    15th Jul 2015
    8:14am
    Trebor,
    I do not see "haters" in the responses I just see people who are concerned that those who are in genuine need receive this help and others who may not have the seem deep needs be urged to help themselves and where possible enter the work force. That is not hating that is encouragement.
    You say that "we should carefully consider our stated positions and seek facts to support it". You have also thrown into the arguments "Ambos - Police - Nurses Etc "these people are employees and not in receipt of welfare payments. A very distinct difference in their status I would think. If it is found that all of those who receive Disability Support are due to it well and good let them continue to do so, if not then the actions of Scott Morrison will be justified.
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    8:32am
    Do you know how many such people (Ambos etc) end up receiving disability payments and payouts? Plenty, and for a variety of reasons including Worker's Back.

    Again - changing the rules and moving the goal posts does not address any real problems - only creates more and is nothing more than an ideological stance from this government with its never-ending 'leaners' and 'lifters'.

    When I see them do some real lifting I might start to believe them.

    As for the haters - check out some of the comments in their utter virulence about all those 800,000 bludgers etc.....

    Facts first, my son - the eventual figures will show zero reduction in those currently receiving DSP - only a few less getting it on first application, with many of those getting it on appeal.

    Governments here are known to lie by omission as well as commission, you know - they rarely tell you the truth in full so you can judge like an adult.
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    8:42am
    Dougie - by including Ambos etc as employees, you are suggesting that all persons who find themselves out of work or in difficulties should hold their employer responsible and the whole deal should be done via worker's compensation and super payout (as happens with many State employees).

    If all classes of employee are to be treated the same - then it should be so. Police here used to get - pre the current LNP government - the 'mortgage buster' payout for disability - most of which were and remain psychological or psychiatric. Stress.... anyway - that no longer happens, and is thus less of an incentive for some to seek that way out after, say, wrongdoing etc.

    Again the issue is whether or not you apply the same standards to all - and start saying that - again for example - the 32% of Veterans who will endure PTSD to some degree are not disabled....

    You see where I'm going here? The goal posts are being changed in ALL arenas - how long before a nurse who goes down with a back injury or the Ambo whose seen one too many fatal accidents and cracks up is told "you can still work!".. and will have stringent rules around what they can and can't do and receive?

    Are these people then to be included as 'malingerers', 'bludgers' etc?

    That is why I recommend caution and suggest getting hard and provable facts first before all the name-calling I see here today.

    Again - changing the goal posts does not make of the applicants frauds or rorters - it makes of this government and its predecessor Ebenezer Scrooges in many cases - and Scrooges who will ensure that their wives etc get $150k payouts for spilling a cup of coffee on themselves in the parliamentary canteen - without a second thought.

    Rules for some... rules for all! And based on hard facts - not emotive terms with no substantiation.
    Abby
    15th Jul 2015
    8:55am
    Well said Doughie
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    1:23pm
    Radish, and anyone else who thinks people are genuine have nothing to fear, you are living in la-la land! I could quote a case of someone attending a Centrelink interview at which the interviewer giggled the whole way through the interview, then wrote a report that because the man could stand up at the end and didn't wince in pain, he obviously was fine. Extensive medical reports and X-rays proved a significant problem that he's suffered - and continued to work despite incredible pain - for many years. Finally, it all got too much. There was a significant side-issue that was raised with the interviewer before the interview that she chose to completely ignore, which, if she'd paid any attention, actually explained his standing up without showing pain.

    In another case (not a disability claim, but a claim for a particular benefit that required evidence of sickness) a government doctor exclaimed that as his son couldn't get that benefit (not having performed the relevant service and not being in a situation to be in any way eligible) he wasn't going to help anyone get it.

    Trebor is right. We are dealing with politicians who don't hesitate to sue for claimed ''defamation'', demand taxpayers cover the rent for a house their wife owns, and certainly would demand a huge payout if their wife spilled coffee on themselves in the canteen. It's not about saving taxpayers money. It's about victimizing the defenseless so that the privileged can continue rorting.
    Stoker
    14th Jul 2015
    10:21am
    Everyone knows there are bludgers 'out there', dunno about 63% but there are and if its costing taxpayers big heaps then we have to rid the system of the bludgers, alas it does create another step for the serious in need, but something HAS to be done. S'pose those with Tatts around head, neck, hands cannot get a job so apply for DSP.
    Juris
    14th Jul 2015
    10:33am
    I agree - 63% does seem a bit high - are our doctors that inefficient that they have recommended so many "bludgers" - I think not. I totally agree that bad hairdo's, piercings or tatts, muscle-bound steriod users or those who choose to be alocoholics or druggies and should not make you eligible for a DSP so they can get a higher rate of pension. Clean yourself up or stay on the minimum payment.
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    11:44am
    63%? Given that 814 000 Australians are on this rort the figure may actually be higher. One might compare figures from other countries. Drew....please supply a bit more data so that the community can make a comparison.
    particolor
    14th Jul 2015
    2:04pm
    Exactly Mick ! I think the figure is higher too ! Just by looking around this Village of Multipple Idiots, the Government should build a Wringing Out Centre ! I just saw a note on a tenants windscreen in the car park "TOUCH MY CAR OR PETROL AGAIN AND I WILL BREAK YOUR BLOODY NECK." I went and got the only other friendly and Sane neighbour here and showed Him the notice, We both burst out laughing :-) not that it was funny, nor will have any effect on them! They are all Tea Pots, Druggies AND ON THE PENSION ! GRRR ! :-(
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    8:57pm
    Anyone got any hard facts to support this virulent attack on all these 'rorters'?

    Just asking.... way I see it - if we're talking about taking a man's life - maybe we should just discuss the facts a little first....
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    6:40pm
    So 63% of 810,000 are rorting? That means we have less genuinely disabled in Australia than we have cancer sufferers. I'm astonished that anyone would suggest that could be right!
    Juris
    14th Jul 2015
    10:25am
    The criteria for a DSP should be tightened but I can't see where a once only trip to the Government doctor who does not know your history can be the judge and jury on whether one get the DSP. Surely a recommendation by your own doctor to be further investigate and approved/declined by a independent Specialist in that particular field of claim, to approve/decline the application. Not by a Government doctor who may be accused of following Government instruction but and Independent Specialist must review the case. There is a clear need for the process to be an independent process.
    Jen
    14th Jul 2015
    10:41am
    I've been reading about severely physically disabled people being denied the disability pension. One woman with no legs and one arm was denied the Companion Card because she was mobile enough - on a SKATEBOARD. No, this isn't Cambodia, this is Australia under Tony Abbott in 2015.

    What chance do the mentally disabled, and those with various illnesses have?
    lasaboy
    14th Jul 2015
    12:29pm
    And centrelink harasses those who are very ill making their problems worse, yes we need controls but the people in control need to be medically proficient enough to know what they are doing

    14th Jul 2015
    10:48am
    There are certainly some rorters I know of a case of a bloke about 40 years of age who can"t get out of bed in the morning and doesn't want to work because he says he doesn't like mixing with strange people at a job.

    Guess what he is now on the disability pension.

    What a joke.
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    11:27am
    The man has a severe mental illness that is why he got on the pension. Be grateful you don't have it.
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    11:38am
    Rubbish hes a bludger you don"t know him
    Ming
    14th Jul 2015
    11:44am
    I never liked mixing with some of the people that I worked with either, now I know that I had a mental illness, pity I didn't know earlier and I could have avoided going to work for more than 40 years.
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    11:46am
    I used to rent an apartment to a young guy on this pension. He claimed to have a crook back....but went spear fishing with no apparent problems. I think that this story might be multiplied over perhaps hundreds of thousands of perfectly fine Australian rorters.
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    11:49am
    Robbo are you a doctor? I think not. The man needs to be reviewed annually to encourage him to seek medical treatment for his condition because all phobias are curable.
    Jen
    14th Jul 2015
    12:02pm
    Oh to have a magic wand and transfer severe mental illness from this man you so easily denigrate, to you, Robbo.
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    1:59pm
    I agree with Ming, what proof that this guy has a mental illness or enough of a mental illness that he can't work at all?! Maybe if he tried the workmates wouldn't be 'strangers' if he showed up regularly.There's more than a handful of rorters on this pension.
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    9:01pm
    Fine, Ming - I'm sure you would have thoroughly enjoyed the drop in income and lifestyle...

    (damn - this site needs emoticons)....
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    8:47am
    The proof, trood, is in his specialist's reports that he would need to support his claim, and not just some fifteen minute evaluation by a GP employed by the government until he/she gets into practice somewhere.

    I spent twelve weeks in a DVA hospital for PTSD under some of the top specialists in this country and was signed out as one of their biggest failures - I still had to front a mid-20's GP owned by the government.

    Frankly it's a farce.
    Abby
    15th Jul 2015
    9:02am
    Emoticons would be good Trebor :)
    Especially the thumb up and down
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    11:24am
    To wipe out the so called bludgers why not have all people on social security do some voluntary work and pay them extra for travel and lunch. Young people with mental illness could be helping out in parks and gardens and whatever work that is suited for the individual. The disability pension should be reviewed annually because some illnesses are curable. I have noticed most of the disability pensioners are young enough to work but are not Australian born.
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    11:32am
    This of course is what needs to happen with ALL PENSIONS. Instead of 'free money' the country needs to ask for something in return other than breeding the next generation of people who choose not to work.
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    11:39am
    Many disability pensioners run their own business with their bad backs. Drug addicts and alcoholics should not be on a disability pension. Rehabilitation should be made compulsory and if they breach it cut them off. Paying them pensions is supporting their crimes.
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    9:03pm
    Are you challenging my Right to a fully paid-for and fully funded from my taxes Pension, mick?

    I disown you...
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    8:54am
    Hmm - 15 hours a week.... used to be 'can't work eight hours a week' - or was it fortnight.

    I smell a rat - moving the goal posts and thumping the tub about 'leaners' as per the LNP, also means installing a huge gateway to get in and stay... something is not quite right here about all this noise going on.....
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    9:34am
    Thought I posted this link:-

    You may receive Disability Support Pension if you:

    are aged between 16 years and age pension age
    meet the residency requirements
    meet the income and assets tests for your situation

    and either:

    are permanently blind

    or all of the following:

    are assessed as having a physical, intellectual or psychiatric impairment,
    are unable to work, or be retrained for work, for 15 hours or more per week at or above the relevant minimum wage within the next 2 years because of your impairment, and
    have actively participated in, or completed, a Program of Support if required

    http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/enablers/centrelink/disability-support-pension/eligibility

    14th Jul 2015
    11:25am
    You forget to mention the stricter guidelines were introduced by labor
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    11:30am
    Julia Gillard toughened the criteria for the disability pensions. A person has to be literally dying now to get one. Some have died waiting. She also deregulated the utility companies so they can rip us off.
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    11:51am
    jackie: you are trying to make this political. Worse than that your perspective is quite unfair. The reality:

    1. the sheer numbers tell you that perfectly healthy Australians are getting on the DSP.
    2. don't you remember one of the many many elections lies from this government: "you have high electricity prices because of the Carbon Tax". Yeah? Prices been going down have they? I mean like by 60% to take us back to where they should be?

    Lets leave the troll activity to Frank and his other avatars and all stick to the issue here.
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    3:21pm
    Mick I am a Labor supporter but Posting real facts about Gillard's actions is not trolling. Yes she did make it harder to get a DSP and this government is carrying on from where Gillard left off. The deregulation of utility companies does not save carbon tax it makes old pensioners suffer. Just like how Keating's deregulation of banks has done nothing positive for ordinary Australians.
    Ming
    14th Jul 2015
    11:28am
    Not before time. Genuine applicants should not have any trouble being accepted but if you think there has not been a wrought going on you are sadly mistaken.
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    11:36am
    ‘Australia has something to learn from Prime Minister David Cameron’s new medical assessments to determine whether recipients of the incapacity benefit in Britain were fit to work. About 870,000 people, a third of those on the payment, did not reapply.’ Editorial, The Australian, June 13 2014.’lyle lanley
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    3:20pm
    Love it Pete. If it does not work then stop doing it. If it does not work then try something new. Cameron obviously has it right.
    niemakawa
    14th Jul 2015
    6:02pm
    These rejects will probably engage a lawyer ( at the taxpayers's expense) and even get the UNHRC involved to win their case.
    Anonymous
    18th Jul 2015
    6:03pm
    They can't engage a lawyer at taxpayer expense unless they have a genuine claim and can prove they can't pay for a lawyer from their own resources. If they can get the UNHRC involved, they DEFINITELY have a genuine claim. And since the figures suggest Morrison thinks we have fewer genuinely disabled than we have cancer sufferers, it's absolutely clear to anyone with a brain that the genuine applicants HAVE A WORLD OF TROUBLE and are being KNOCKED BACK.
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    11:30am
    814 000 Australians on the DSP? I think that the figures speak for themselves. So are we the sickest country in the world? Must be.
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    11:35am
    We have an ageing population and the majority would be over 60 with a medical condition. I think it's wrong people that have never work a day in their lives in this country are getting aged pensions because their country of origin doesn't provide them. Many elderly Chinese that can't speak english are enjoying our system for free.
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    3:23pm
    Whilst I have nothing but contempt for the current government I will give it 2 pluses: first they stopped the boats and second they want to fix the welfare rorts which have been motoring along for years because neither side had the guts to do what was needed and then have the rorters vote them out of office.
    This is truly a bipartisan approach and both sides need to be thinking the same. Our country cannot afford to pay people to be dishonest and do nothing. Maybe that means pollies will be grouped accordingly as well....don't know!
    niemakawa
    14th Jul 2015
    10:23pm
    Yes Australia is the "sickest" country in the world, beyond doubt. Layer after layer of "social security" payments abound. More and more want to come and join the Nation of "free loaders". God help us if Labor ever again get into power.
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    6:43pm
    Yep Mick. the figures speak for themselves. 810,000 on DSP and 63% of them accused of rorting. So we have fewer genuinely disabled than we have cancer sufferers. What crap!
    Fiona
    14th Jul 2015
    11:36am
    When my late husband went for the DSP years ago he was examined by a doctor at Centrelink.
    lasaboy
    14th Jul 2015
    12:34pm
    yes, they used to have their own medical people, it appears the papers pushers now handle all this, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely

    14th Jul 2015
    11:39am
    ‘An even more significant change has been the reassessment of all incapacity claims (the equivalent of Australia’s DSP). Like Australia, Britain has tightened its definition of incapacity, so many new claimants who might previously have qualified for the benefit are now expected to prepare for work or find a job. But, unlike Australia, all existing claims are being re-examined. Incredibly, more than three-quarters of incapacity benefit recipients have been found to be potentially or actually capable of working.’ Peter Saunders, ‘Simple Lessons on Offer In Plugging the Welfare Drain’ The Australian, June 7 2014.
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    11:44am
    All existing claims should be re-examined here too. The government must be scared this will cut back our Medicare system for genuine sick Australians.
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    11:57am
    ??
    jackie
    15th Jul 2015
    11:02am
    Don't you think governments around the western globe should stop giving away jobs to China instead of taking away from the vulnerable? Getting all the people of DSP and not providing work for them is not good for the economy. Pensions move around in communities.

    14th Jul 2015
    11:40am
    Why does YLC always present a topic as anti Coalition
    Sorrento Jo
    14th Jul 2015
    3:03pm
    That's easy to answer. YLC is pro Labor/Green
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    3:26pm
    If you want to talk about political comments read any of the stuff from Frank and a few other people who sound remarkably the same as Frank.
    Why not just pull political adds from the comments when the topic is not related to this? That would be easy.
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    8:57am
    Ummm - lock in A - Eddie.... "Because the LNP IS the current government and is pushing this policy thrust..."... or is it C - "When Labor get back in they will get the same treatment"...... mayber B - "Everybody knows Gillard started it all"... I'll leave out D - "It's all Labor's fault for running up the bills."

    Yes - Lock in A, Eddie... A....
    arja
    14th Jul 2015
    11:41am
    seems that the Liberal party are trying to emulate the Tory party in the Uk ( NASTY party) in showing no empathy or compassion for the most vunerable in society - shame on Abbott and
    the so called liberals . He has a lot in common with Cameron and the witch, Theresa May who happily tear families apart just to try and enhance their electoral prospects . They also say quite often as Abbott does " because it's the right thing to do " !! In fact doing what is right does not even enter their heads but all about what might help them get re-elected and keep their cushy grossly overpaid Jobs . ( wry smile )
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    11:43am
    UK policies have succeeded lower unemployment , now this nasty govt has raised the minimum wage ....
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    11:48am
    the minimum wage for over-25s will rise 11 per cent in April to £7.20 an hour –
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    11:53am
    A National Living Wage, starting at £7.20 and rising to £9 an hour by 2020, replaces the £6.50 minimum wage.
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    11:56am
    George Osborne announced that the personal tax allowance will increase to £10,800 in 2016, then to £11,000 the year after.
    When the Tories came to office, the personal tax-free allowance stood at £6,500.
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    3:27pm
    arja: most of the DSP recipients are NOT GENUINE.
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    8:15pm
    How so, mick? Where did you get your facts that say that?
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    9:01am
    Hmm - nine pahnd equal $18.88 AU - more than we get here at $16.87... anyone want to argue comparative costs of living? GDP = Guinness Drinking Potential......
    arja
    14th Jul 2015
    11:52am
    pete - sadly your comments showing a lack of compassion for people who are much worse off than you and me and shows why you are a liberal supporter . i am ashamed to say I was a lifelong Tory supporter when Iiving in the UK but now can see clearly that they really are the NASTY party and Abbott seems to be a mirror image of them ! Ian Duncan-Smith is the Tory Minister who brought in the bedroom tax in the UK which cauases much misery for invalids who needed the extra room . Again , a total lack of empathy and compassion .
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    12:08pm
    The doomsayers will be out in force today, with much wailing and gnashing of teeth as they confidently predict the end of the world as we know it.
    Britain will become a third world country, with families thrown onto the street and starving children wandering barefoot picking up scraps of food from the gutter, and it will be ALL THE TORIES’ FAULT.
    They will of course be talking about the Welfare Cap Mark II, announced in today’s Queen’s Speech, which will see the existing limit of £26,000 a year for a household brought down to just £23,000.
    This, earnest Pinot Grigio-swilling Islington types will tell us, is an evil attack on the poorest in society by the richest one per cent. And they will be 100 per cent wrong.
    A cap on welfare benefits is categorically not an attack on the poor. On the contrary, it was excessive welfare benefits in the first place that have been hurting the poorest in our society by enabling them to choose a life on the dole.
    Yes, of course a cap on benefits affects the poor, but that’s not the same as an attack.
    When the welfare cap was first proposed, it was criticised by Labour as unfair and unjust. Until they discovered it was incredibly popular with ordinary people, with 73 per cent support for the principle, even among Labour voters.
    Again and again we’ve been told that rich politicians don’t have a clue how ordinary people live and how they could never survive on just £26,000 a year yet expect others to do so. But this ignores two crucial facts: first, that millions of people do survive on less than that sum, and secondly, that support for the cap among people who earn less than £20,000 a year is almost as strong as among higher earners.
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2015
    12:08pm
    Yep let's follow UK
    Wstaton
    14th Jul 2015
    1:24pm
    Wow! £26,000 per year that's about $56,000 aussie and our government winges about paying $14k for disability, about $20k for a single pension and we are supposed to be the lucky country.
    Young Simmo
    14th Jul 2015
    12:06pm
    Can anybody put a total $ figure on the cost of Politicians retirement benefits?
    Include, pensions, free plane rides, free offices, free accommodation, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
    Also how many Politicians are currently retired so we can get an average.
    I suspect they might be battling!!!!!
    Paicey58
    14th Jul 2015
    12:57pm
    What has this got to do with the current question that was asked in this article???
    particolor
    14th Jul 2015
    2:11pm
    Absolutely Nothing ? I think Simmo might have found that Missing bottle of Hermitage Grange that was misplaced some time back !! :-) HIC !!
    Young Simmo
    14th Jul 2015
    2:18pm
    Paicey58, Stop being so narrow minded, it is supposed to a free country.
    If you don't like a bit of variety, move over to Egypt.
    particolor, stop reading my mind. Hic, Hic.
    particolor
    14th Jul 2015
    2:36pm
    I didn't know You were Looking Simmo ! :-)
    Im too busy looking for the 4 Gallons of petrol I put in My car yesterday afternoon ??? It was missing this morning ! :-( If You read up higher here You will see the reason for My anger !! :-( I might join the Note Writer with a Burning Brand and Pitch Fork if they keep it up ! The Housing Dept. Hand picks the Galahs I think ! Where are the Police ? :-( I wouldn't let the no hopers around here on the Dodgem Cars at local show ! :-(
    particolor
    14th Jul 2015
    2:38pm
    OW ! And PS just to stay on theme ! They are all on the DSP ! I think it is for Mentally Retarded ?
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    9:03am
    Everything Paicey - politicians are leaners of the first water.....

    (you ever distill whiskey? the 'first water' or foreshots is rubbish...... it's the middle stuff that's the good oil....)
    Fredklaus
    14th Jul 2015
    12:24pm
    I wonder if this is just about paying less ,dole payment a disgrace and where are the jobs for
    over 50,s
    particolor
    14th Jul 2015
    2:14pm
    I saw a few "Heavy Lifting" jobs in the Foundry Advertised latterly ? :-(
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    9:04am
    Joe'd fit right in next to Corrmie The Frog....
    arja
    14th Jul 2015
    12:28pm
    Pete- just try fot once to put yourself in the position of those who are affected and struggling . Also try that and justify the huge 50% increase of this Liberal government in family visa . Imagine how grossly unfair that is for an Australian who happens to have a fiancee of spouse who is not from OZ . It is DISGUSTING in anybody's language and almost akin to the evil measures( OBSTACLES) brought in by the May in UK if a Uk citizen happens to have a none EU spouse as my friend did .( motive for measures was to enhance Tory re-election prospects knowing how there are a lot of idiots in UK who support UKIP !
    lasaboy
    14th Jul 2015
    12:40pm
    I think New Zealand is following the right course, they are issuing cards for people on welfare, personally I think if you are on a pension (any pension) you should not be spending money on large amounts of alcohol or tobacco, it should be used for everyday items, paying yo0ur bills and food, the other thing they are doing is forcing the parents of young kids to get them to a doctor at regular intervals, that's a great idea in my book, the government needs to put controls in place yes but the type of controls will weed out the dead wood and give the rest a chance at living
    marls
    14th Jul 2015
    1:07pm
    thats part of the reason this country is broke
    particolor
    14th Jul 2015
    2:21pm
    Tony might be eligible for a loan from Centrestink to fix the Country ? :-)
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    9:10pm
    If I choose to buy beer on my bought and paid for Pension - I'll do it.

    (sucks mightily out of pure spite! Ah - loverly!!)...
    jackie
    15th Jul 2015
    11:09am
    Do you think we should have welfare cards for out politicians and government too? They seem to be permanently in a drunken state by their decisions. Shifting and moving poverty does not get rid of poverty but it takes away the focus on the countries real issues. In reality there is enough for all but the greedy will always deny that.
    Wstaton
    15th Jul 2015
    12:08pm
    To true Jackie. Like the 55 millionaires who pay no tax... Unbelievable and this government expect us to believe they are the lifters and shouldn't be touched.
    lasaboy
    14th Jul 2015
    12:43pm
    and before anyone goes crook about civil liberties, if you are on a pension (and I am) you should not be spending money on things that will kill you faster like tobacco and the like
    lasaboy
    14th Jul 2015
    12:46pm
    and I know of one women who smokes like a train, drinks like a fish and then goes to the charities because she does not have the money to feed her kids, a card controlling what you can buy with the money will stop this type of abuse and this is abuse, both of the system and her kids
    Young Simmo
    14th Jul 2015
    12:53pm
    lasaboy, Sometimes you just have to do things that you don't like.
    For example I don't like alcohol, but have to drink 4 cans and 1,2 or 3 reds each night to maintain the grey tint in my hair.
    lasaboy
    14th Jul 2015
    12:56pm
    LOL
    Paicey58
    14th Jul 2015
    1:04pm
    I think I read somewhere that they are trialling a card system for welfare recipients to do exactly what you have talked about Lasaboy. It will allow you to pay bills and purchase food but not alcohol and cigarettes. Hope it gets approved for all.
    iamnotold
    14th Jul 2015
    1:28pm
    I think it's a good idea if they spend their pensions/benefits on alcohol and cigarettes, they'll all die sooner and save the taxpayers paying for their old age pensions.
    Wstaton
    14th Jul 2015
    1:31pm
    I think there was a time that they were going to do this with aborigines that were on welfare.

    What a discriminatory notion that was.
    lasaboy
    14th Jul 2015
    1:32pm
    and they cost us millions more in medical before they do
    particolor
    14th Jul 2015
    3:05pm
    I think what You Blokes are looking for is... " The great Song of Indifference" Bob Geld0ff. You will find it on You/Tube. Go into.. Oldies but Goodies and type it into the request bar at the Top ! OK ? :-) ENJOY ! :-)
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    8:57pm
    Perhaps we should just expect the less fortunate to stop living and just exist in a vacuum until they die? Do you know anything at all about alcoholism or addiction, lasaboy? Obviously not! Your arrogance and lack of compassion are astonishing.

    If it's taxpayers' money you are worried about, maybe you should look at the causes of poverty and the excess profits being made from peddling the causes of misery, instead of attacking a few poor battlers who, having sacrificed their health in dangerous, underpaid jobs, now want just a small indulgence now and again to ease their suffering and make life more tolerable.

    How about we stop attacking smokers and start demanding tobacco-sellers fund all pensions and medical costs for those who now suffer addiction because of their profiteering? What about we stop attacking drinkers and demand alcohol manufacturers fund all pensions and medical costs for alcoholics? How about we rule that fast food stores fund pensions and medical costs for everyone who becomes obese eating fast food? And maybe we should demand that churches fund all pensions and medical costs for everyone who was abused in an institution or assaulted by a priest. Oh but no... just brand those people ''rorters'' for applying for a disability pension and claim they should spend the rest of their days in a miserable and intolerable existence, while the profit-mongers prosper.

    I think it's time people stopped victimizing the victims of social crime and started recognizing the real cause of the problems we face.
    Patriot
    16th Jul 2015
    8:40am
    Rainy,
    Was it a rumour I heard recently that "Tony/Joe-clan" had found a solution to reduce the Pension age to 65 again?
    I think they're working on a compulsory needle for anyone turning 66 so that THEY (the Govt) are in the future avoiding this enormous misery /quandary of CONTINUING Budget Deficits. At least we've had ONE WHOLE YEAR of the GOOD TIMES at "Their Expense!!!"
    Also leaves more opportunity to STEAL more money for Themselves and GIVE to THEIR MASTERS/CONTROLLERS.

    And we, those "Economic Units" which are "Past their Prime Time" will no longer be a BURDEN to them.
    After the storm we are "Brewing Up" here, they now might consider to include those who are (OR CLAIM TO BE) disabled for more than 1/2 year !?!?!?
    SHUTS THEM UP ONE WAY OR THE OTHER !!!!!
    Wstaton
    14th Jul 2015
    12:55pm
    I see the words "contracted government doctors" as the problem here. True there are bludgers out there but %63?

    Contracted to me is the same as this government stoking commissions etc up with people who are favourable to the government line of thinking.

    Any doctors who don't toe the line by sayinging %X of people don't qualify I would think would quickly be unconctracted.
    lasaboy
    14th Jul 2015
    12:57pm
    in the current environment for sure, what they need is to go back to the independent doctors system, particular doctors admittedly but independent none the less
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    3:41pm
    I'd be thinking > 63% Wstaton.
    PlanB
    14th Jul 2015
    1:00pm
    Not that easy to tell by a private investigator if some one is really ill as one does have good and very bad days, I know this because I knew someone that was ïnvesigatored and they lost out very badly but to this day they suffer.
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    3:41pm
    Easy if they have a bad back and are mowing the lawn.
    particolor
    14th Jul 2015
    5:13pm
    Or as I saw in a Telly Clip A foreign Clown came out of court after winning a fake disability claim and put His walking stick in the boot and Skipped to the Driving seat ?
    Candid Camera ! Poor Clown !!:-)
    But wait there's More ! :-)
    arja
    14th Jul 2015
    1:30pm
    wstaton - tbat £26000 was the maximum which was paid I believe to cover a family with 10 kids etc . Must a be a few polies on this blog as economical with the truth !
    Wstaton
    14th Jul 2015
    1:37pm
    Hmm, must be a lot of families with 10 kids in the UK if they feel the need to lower the limit.

    Also with the population growth only at .6%
    andromeda143
    14th Jul 2015
    1:31pm
    This is just typical of this iniquitous government that cares more for the finances of high earners than for the real battlers. The sooner they get their comeuppance the better!
    ekbg2002
    14th Jul 2015
    1:38pm
    Well tell you bloody what? I wish I could walk, eat, talk, shower myself, and do a zillion things. I am young.....But if you saw me sitting in chair you wouldn't know....let's not judge people - not all illnesses are visible. Mine is not psychiatric but neuro/muscular and degenerative and my retirement plans are all gone, I never know what the next minute will bring. Or how my health will fair. I can't get to Sydney to see my girl, life sucks!!! Be grateful if you have health. And for those who do abuse the system....shame on them, there will always be goodies and baddies, sadly reality of world!
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    3:46pm
    Always two sides. Welcome to humanity.
    ekbg2002
    14th Jul 2015
    1:38pm
    Well tell you bloody what? I wish I could walk, eat, talk, shower myself, and do a zillion things. I am young.....But if you saw me sitting in chair you wouldn't know....let's not judge people - not all illnesses are visible. Mine is not psychiatric but neuro/muscular and degenerative and my retirement plans are all gone, I never know what the next minute will bring. Or how my health will fair. I can't get to Sydney to see my girl, life sucks!!! Be grateful if you have health. And for those who do abuse the system....shame on them, there will always be goodies and baddies, sadly reality of world!
    particolor
    14th Jul 2015
    2:53pm
    I don't think anyone here has it in for Genuine People like Yourself ! I'm sorry about Your Plight ! And hope You are not being Mistreated by the somewhat wanting System !!
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    8:32pm
    I don't think anyone here is qualified to judge who is and isn't genuine, Particolor, much less to determine what percentage of people are allegedly ''rorting''. So yes, genuine people ARE being attacked here. Sad that so many would deny a poor disabled person basic sustenance in preference to demanding the government collect fair taxes from multi-millionaires. Say a lot about our society, doesn't it?
    Patriot
    16th Jul 2015
    8:30am
    Some new Ideas for some support of the sentiments raised above???

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/money-free/
    arja
    14th Jul 2015
    1:57pm
    wstaton- it was just an example as in have no idea how these benefit credits work and was never affected personally thank god . The so called " working poor" are affected and not just people on the dole and pensioners sometimes , this article might interest you .
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/david-cameron-has-put-the-millionaire-iain-duncan-smith-back-in-charge-of-poor-people-here-are-11-reasons-why-people-are-worried-10240004.html
    arja
    14th Jul 2015
    2:03pm
    ekbg2002 - well said and I hope things pick up for you. The lack of compassion shown by so called right wing parties like the UK Tories and so called Liberals in OZ makes me quite angry . I am an atheist and I wonder what kind of god people like Abbott and Cameron worship when they go to church . I thought Christianity had some connection with compassion .
    lasaboy
    15th Jul 2015
    12:30am
    all pollies are liars and thieves, if they are not kissing babies, they are stealing their lollypops
    Young Simmo
    15th Jul 2015
    12:34am
    Or their pensioners next $1.50 increase to buy Cigars.
    arja
    14th Jul 2015
    2:30pm
    Jackie - you are wrong as people get a pension in OZ if they qualify under residence rules . So you prefer a system with 2 classes of citizen with you being entitled to the pension but a person born abroad is not ? !!
    niemakawa
    15th Jul 2015
    12:45am
    Residential rules are a farce. So anyone can have lead the life of riley ,never work or make a contribution to society, then hit the jackpot with a pension and all of its other benefits. No.
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    9:08am
    Let's settle this - easy to do you know:-


    Residence requirements for Age Pension

    To be eligible for Age Pension you must satisfy residence requirements.

    On the day you submit your claim, you must be:

    an Australian resident, and
    physically present in Australia

    You also need to have been an Australian resident for a continuous period of at least 10 years, or for a number of periods that total more than 10 years with one of the periods being at least 5 years, unless you:

    are a refugee or former refugee
    were getting Partner Allowance, Widow Allowance or Widow B Pension immediately before turning age pension age, or
    are a woman whose partner died while you were both Australian residents, and you have been an Australian resident for 2 years immediately before claiming Age Pension

    If you have lived or worked in a country with which Australia has an international social security agreement, it may help you meet these residence requirements.

    http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/age-pension
    jackie
    15th Jul 2015
    11:15am
    Pensions should go toward people that have paid taxes to Australia for most of their lives. There are many Australian pensioners that have never worked a day in their lives here and have come here when they are old. Their families should be keeping them not Australia's taxes.
    Ming
    14th Jul 2015
    2:34pm
    The real concern is that some of these commentators also vote!!!!!!!
    particolor
    14th Jul 2015
    2:55pm
    Hmmm? Yes ! :-(
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    9:13pm
    Yes - democracy sucks - look what it's given us for the past thirty or more years here...
    Rob
    14th Jul 2015
    3:10pm
    Actually the figures of 63% bludging or attempting to bludge on the DSP is frightening. It just makes you wonder how many people are bludging on the welfare system in Australia. Welfare payments that need to be funded by people who do the right thing. All welfare should be stringently assessed annually and recipients given cards not cash.
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    9:16pm
    Define 'welfare', Rob - then we'll talk.... Pensions are not 'welfare' - they are a bought and paid for out of lifetime income tax retirement Right..... Unemployment Benefit is an investment in keeping a workforce available for future developments when they will find work and pay taxes.....

    What else would you like to discuss as 'welfare'? It's Social Security for us all, including that it reduces crime and dependence on others...
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    5:34pm
    Yes Rob, the figure is frightening. It's meant to be. It's meant to totally mislead people into THINKING that the economic problems are a result of bludgers. What a load of BS. It's political lies to cover up incompetence and greed. Anyone who believes 63% of people are bludgers is a fool. If that were the case, our society wouldn't be functioning at all. Are you suggesting that totalling all the children, students, retirees, genuinely sick or disabled, stay-at-home parents (supported by their spouse) AND workers collectively make up only 40% of the population? Honestly. Morrison might be clever in the way he phrases untruthful claims, but surely nobody is silly enough to swallow that lie?
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    8:27pm
    Heard the saying ''There but for the grace of God go I'', Rob? Heaven forbid that you ever fall on hard times.

    Australia has among the lowest cost social security system in the world, and the most efficient. But we also pay very low pensions and by definition, ''most efficient'' means that qualifying for assistance isn't easy. Sure, there are rorters. Every system will have a small percentage of rorters. The only way to stop that completely is to abolish assistance altogether, and operate a society in which nobody has a social conscience and empathy and compassion are non-existent.

    I've paid a lot of tax in my life, but I would NEVER ask for a reduction in tax funded by reducing access of the sick or disabled to fair assistance. On the other hand, I'd love to see tax cuts facilitated by taxing the filthy rich who rort the system constantly, and the greedy self-serving politicians who pay themselves a king's ransom but want to deny sick people and cripples a basic existence. And I'd love to see taxes raised on restaurant dinners, fancy cars, and flash houses, cruises, etc. to fund a better deal for the battlers who sacrificed their health slogging their guts out for miserable wages so that the more fortunate can enjoy the services that make their lives comfortable.

    Some of you should remind yourselves occasionally that the many of people you disgracefully brand ''rorters'' and condemn - with no knowledge of facts - are people who forfeited their health saving lives, fighting for freedom, protecting other people's homes from fire, risking their lives working on high voltage electrical lines 60 feet in the air so you can have power to heat your home and cook, descending into the dark and dangerous mines to draw out minerals to export so the country can prosper... the list goes on and on and on.

    Social Security is NOT ''welfare''. The people of this nation decided, collectively, many generations ago, that they WANTED to implement a system that offered security of a decent lifestyle to the old, sick, disabled, and disadvantaged by taking a small contribution from those who could were more fortunate and could afford to pay the levy.

    There are rorters everywhere. The worst ones I know are in high paid jobs, abusing their powers, under-performing, demonstrating gross incompetence, and causing others huge hurt and loss by their lack of competence or diligence. Politicians head the list. Senior bureaucrats follow closely. Overpaid CEOs of banks and large corporations are right up there. I don't think a few pathetic people who are so desperate or messed up that the only way they feel they can get by in life is to apply for a miserable little pension that they have to jump through horrendous hoops to access can be thought to be much of a problem. The real problem is the billions being wasted on self-serving leaners who falsely claim respectability by sitting in an office doing nothing of value, then put their hand out on payday for a huge salary and pay a dodgy accountant to find every possible loophole to avoid paying their fair share of tax.
    Wstaton
    15th Jul 2015
    9:01pm
    Wow rainey,

    Heartfelt.

    We think of all the people in the past who fought and worked for our freedoms just so the current hierarchy can abuse that what was fought for in style.

    The current rort of a helicopter for a hour trip by car is one typical example of this.
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    3:12pm
    An increasing population delivers more sick people. Pity governments never planned extra the extra expenses that brings in. Selling off properties to China doesn't bring in jobs. Computers and robotics are taking over more jobs too. So what are thes poor bludgers supposed to live on while they can't pay taxes to keep our cheap politicians?
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    4:22pm
    814 000 people cannot be planned for. That is a rort.
    niemakawa
    14th Jul 2015
    6:11pm
    So we should reduce the population.
    jackie
    14th Jul 2015
    3:12pm
    An increasing population delivers more sick people. Pity governments never planned extra the extra expenses that brings in. Selling off properties to China doesn't bring in jobs. Computers and robotics are taking over more jobs too. So what are thes poor bludgers supposed to live on while they can't pay taxes to keep our cheap politicians?
    Wstaton
    14th Jul 2015
    5:55pm
    Don't think politicians come cheap Jackie. They are costing us a awful lot of money with their perks during and after they becoming politicians.
    jackie
    15th Jul 2015
    11:19am
    Politicians could be paid with a card that does not allow them to drink, smoke and take drugs. A great budget move.

    14th Jul 2015
    3:29pm
    Some of you seem to be misreading. Nobody said 63% of Australians are on disability. The article said 63% of APPLICANTS used to be approved. Who are any of you to try to guess how many applicants don't have genuine disabilities. I suspect most who apply would have good grounds for believing they are eligible, otherwise why would they bother jumping through the hoops? It's not an easy process by any means, and it can be quite devastating emotionally just to have to apply.

    I've seen genuinely disabled people treated appallinglly and totally misjudged Centrelink staff, and by doctors who know nothing about the patient's case, and couldn't give a damn. And unfortunately, many don't consider that disability is relative. Someone who has only ever done heavy physical work and has no skills relevant to sedentary jobs, and is close to retirement, is CERTAINLY disabled if they have a crook back or damaged shoulder ligaments. But a younger person might well be able to be retrained successfully for a less strenuous occupation.

    Some 40 years ago, a government doctor was sent to assess a baby I knew well. He asked the mother to wake her from sleep and get her out of the cot and put her on the floor. He saw her perform an awkward wriggle and proclaimed her ''normal''. The ''assessment'' took all of 5 minutes. The parents of that child spent 12 years and paid over $100,000 out of their own pockets for specialized therapy.

    In another case I know of, a man was told he could be ''phased back into work over two years'' with retraining, treatment and counselling. He was 6 months away from retirement age! How stupid can you get?

    I don't presume to know how many people might fake disability, but I strongly suspect that if less than 37% of applicants are being approved, there are a lot of genuine people out there being badly damaged cruel and inhuman attitudes, incompetent assessors, and people who haven't a shred of decency, let alone empathy and compassion.
    Wstaton
    14th Jul 2015
    6:08pm
    You must be reading a different article than I am Rainey. The only spot that mentioned this figure is at the end of it.

    Do you believe that 63 per cent of DSP applicants could be “bludgers”?
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    8:35pm
    Absolutely not, Wstaton. That's my point. It would mean, in fact, that we have fewer genuinely disabled than we have cancer sufferers. Highly unlikely, I think!
    niemakawa
    14th Jul 2015
    3:40pm
    Well done Mr Morrison. Now go for the existing 800,000 odd DSP recipients and have them reassessed , more savings there to be had.
    MICK
    14th Jul 2015
    4:25pm
    Needs to happen.
    We ALL need to remember that Social Security is a SAFETY NET, not a way of life. Those amongst us who choose the latter take us for mugs. We may be stupid....but we're not mugs!!
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    6:38pm
    So you people are swallowing the BS that we have less genuinely disabled people in Australia than we have cancer sufferers? Highly unlikely, me thinks! Much more likely that genuine people are being treated unfairly based on political lies that appeal to a selfish but gullible populace.
    phantom
    14th Jul 2015
    4:50pm
    I personally know of people abusing this. Knowing someone is guilty is one thing, proving it another. Some are getting coached by their mates as to what to say to the Doctors and Specialist. Yes, I have also seen people deserving of it, and not getting it. But it is being abused by a lot more people than they say. The biggest abuse is of "Disable Parking", it is handed out to easily for stupid reasons.
    niemakawa
    14th Jul 2015
    5:05pm
    The biggest problem id identifying those with genuine "Mental Health Problems". It is so easy to fake symptoms . Best thing would be not to give the DSP to any people who supposedly have such a "disease". Short term financial assistance will soon make them mend their ways.
    Anonymous
    16th Jul 2015
    9:02am
    Yes, it will niemakawa. I know of one who two weeks ago was branded a ''rorter'' and denied help. He committed suicide last week. But some of the callous selfish would say that was a good thing. One less burden on the greedy, self-serving privileged who have no idea what it is to suffer mental health problems and no compassion.
    phantom
    14th Jul 2015
    5:03pm
    Shorten will have ads with every wheelchair bound person on TV claiming they will loose the disability pensions. "Blame it on Tony." Labor will pay you all and bring in some more from overseas to make it look good. I also know of people with mental and physical disabilities that also work. Disability is what you make it.
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    9:21pm
    I have fifteen disabilities - I work... and a lot more besides.... does that mean I should remain in heavy harness when one of my several spinal fractures gives out.. or my arthritic knees and hips or wrists give me outstanding pain?

    One 'pinch' of a spinal fracture once laid me low for two months....

    The thing about being on a pension is that you can choose your own pace better, and not have all the additional pressures.
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    9:22pm
    I was on a walking stick for three years and had to fight for disability on two or three fronts.... should I have been holding down a job as a marathon runner?
    Abby
    15th Jul 2015
    9:31am
    Trebor
    Only the young are entitled to get DSP ... Seniors are NOT entitled to it
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    11:19am
    You missed it - I got it in 1997 and went on aged pension last year.

    Judge not lest ye be juggled unmercifully (smiling emoticon)...
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    11:19am
    It says between age 16 and aged pension age....
    bevharro
    14th Jul 2015
    5:31pm
    Just an example of not being approved for the DSP.

    My daughter applied for the DSP and was rejected. Apparently she didn't have 20 points worth of disability to be eligible. She has seizures (not controlled), has debilitating headaches that can put her in bed for days (uncontrolled), and has severe depression where she cannot get off the lounge to do anything for days, and doesn't want to talk to anybody. Her concentration is non existent.

    When the her own GP fills in the form he has to put whether the disability will last longer than 24 months. Regarding the headaches, the Centrelink assessor (not a doctor), says that because she is having Botox treatment for them, and it is continuing, that there is a possibility that she may be cured within 24 months. The same goes for the seizures.

    Meanwhile, my daughter has been unable to work since October last year. It is costing her $200 per month for medication and she obviously doesn't have a Healthcare Card. If only she could get that it would help her greatly.

    As she started work when she was 15 and is now 41, she has paid many dollars in tax over the years and NEVER been out of work. Should she not be entitled to at least the Healthcare Card? We have asked for a review of the rejection and will see what happens from there. Obviously the stress of it all is making her depression worse and she can't deal with it at all. I am her voice for all dealings with Centrelink, but that doesn't matter at all.

    Yes, I know there are those who rort the system, but there are those who do not.
    lasaboy
    15th Jul 2015
    12:40am
    ask them to reassess her and then object to the ruling and ask for an independent assessor
    TREBOR
    14th Jul 2015
    8:13pm
    The thing is this - it all comes down to how you define 'disability' deserving of pension for two years (subject to review).

    Moving the goal posts does not show, by any definition, that those arbitrarily newly excluded were 'bludging' on the system - it merely shows they no longer fit the requirements as laid down by political fiat.

    Same applies to those who will be arbitrarily included in the future. Let me offer an example.

    In an era when Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is now a recognised disability for Veterans - and I know many who are on TPI as a result - there is a mass of people out there who are in the same situation, but are not Veterans. I mean rape victims, victims of serious assaults, victims of continuous family violence (remember I do not accept the current position that DV is ONLY men v women etc - women kill more kids than men do), often police officers .. in essence, many people who have endured the unendurable.

    Significant among these people are the direct family members of Veterans............. for many reasons, and I will not apportion 'blame' to anyone in this.... but suffice to say that I've known Veterans who've fired guns in their own homes or threatened to use them.....

    Whatever the situation, certainly many such family members suffer lifetime disability as a result.

    Are these to be arbitrarily excluded from consideration for a pension when their disability means they cannot work, and often if they do, they are not working up to par as a result of disability?

    Disability should not EVER be a political football - it should be properly addressed by genuine medical professionals who know what they are talking about - and not by jumped-up politicians seeking to grand-stand to a small-minded audience of - let's be honest - rednecks or equivalent.
    Wstaton
    14th Jul 2015
    9:06pm
    Well written Trebor
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    1:15pm
    Well said Trebor.
    Gigi
    14th Jul 2015
    9:29pm
    dougle, you are so right! I worked for State Health for many years & I meet a lot of people on DSP very few were actually entitled to receive it. The criteria has been tightened & the persons able to support such an application has been reduced, not before time.
    Some individuals have been on DSP for so long that they are in fact unable to gain employment & are unsuitable for re-taining now. The criteria for Disbality Insurance Scheme only supposedly partly fumded by previous Federal Labor Gov, needs to be refined, pilot scheme ran out of money within first 6 months of pilot commencing & to my knowledge some indivudals who gained ongoing funding were not suitable applicants under this scheme.
    Juris, "Government doctors" are not puppets they are professional people, mostly Specialists, who work for State Health in Community or part time for government services & part time in private practice. It is as it should be for a Specialist to determine if an individual meets the criteria for DSP not a GP. No, I am not a doctor but I have have worked in Health for 49 years. Medical Practitioners are least likely people to play politics although they are collectively consumate political performers.
    AJ
    14th Jul 2015
    11:33pm
    I am a 62yo who started receiving DSP 8 years ago. After an extremely stressful lifetime career as (mainly) an air traffic controller, chronic auto-immune- and nervous conditions forced me into early retirement. Remove the stress and my situation seems to stabilise. I tried to return to the workforce and the conditions returned with a vengeance. Even personal stress activated the reappearance of these conditions which also turned malignant 3 times. I naturally try to live as stress free and peaceful as possible, and will have to forgive anyone who judges me as a malinger because my situation is not explained in writing on my forehead, or through blindness or any other obvious 'disability'. What affects me greatly with the new rules is the restriction of 4 weeks p/a overseas travels without losing pension payment. I have a 92yo bedridden mother overseas and 2 children living on yet 2 additional continents - as families scatter nowadays. It is easier for them to pay for my airfare to include seeing all on an extended itinerary, but a 4-week period is just not sufficient. I can apply to be re-assessed and if I pass the new tests be exempted from this restriction. BUT: I feel intimidated! I do not have the strength to jump through these new hoops and be subjected to the uncertainty of losing my pension due to new measures or a possible uninformed decision maker. So, I now compromise pension payment to attend my daughter's wedding, to see my grand-children, and to spend precious time with my frail mother. The system does not cater for leave due to humanitarian reasons. There is no way of applying for consideration or compassion, no e-mail address. I do not suspect that anyone reading this will be able to help my individual case, but I feel less helpless and hopeless having been able to air it somewhere.
    Jen
    15th Jul 2015
    6:32am
    AJ, thank you for a well-explained post. You are not alone. Many people choose to be blind to these situations and refuse to understand. I have a friend in a similar situation who has endured the derision of many who simply refuse to understand. In your case, you are doubly affect by the new o/s travel rules. This is typical of the work of Scott Morrison. Not properly thought out, uncaring, over-reaction laws.
    KSS
    15th Jul 2015
    7:46am
    A person working full time in Australia is generally given 4 weeks annual leave per year. Why do you think a person on a disability pension should be entitled to more? 4 weeks 'leave' seems reasonable to me. The fact that you may wish for more does not mean it is unfair at all. After all travel can be just as stressful as work. Just ask those stuck in Bali due to the volcanic eruptions.
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    8:01am
    We sympathise with your condition but I don"t think you will get a lot of sympathy because you can"t travel overseas all the time.

    You may have some people saying how you can afford it anyway as even those who have put a few bob away have problems paying for overseas trips.
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    8:27am
    Again - this pension belongs to the recipient by virtue of tax paying for life and according to the rules under which they earned it. Where they live is immaterial, especially considering that many such receive the same value in local currency via exchange of social security.

    Maybe the government expects a lot of Greeks who've 'gone home' to come back.

    Anyway - as far as I was aware, the reduction was in the amount set aside specifically to pay for utilities here.... still arguable since you still pay for those anyway...

    Governments here should just be paying people their due with no questions asked.
    Wstaton
    15th Jul 2015
    8:35am
    I think some people only read what they want to read. This man specifically said tha relatives pay for his overseas trips. It it the 4week limit that he is decrying.
    Jen
    15th Jul 2015
    8:41am
    Thanks Wstaton. I couldn't be bothered pointing that out. As I said, people refuse to understand. It doesn't fit their agenda. I rest my case.
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    9:15am
    Well - yes - I'm merely saying that the four week limit or whatever future change it involves is not warranted.

    If I chose to backpack across Mongolia to Europe at a steady pace - I'll need a little sustenance money.... and 3/4 of my last power bill was just having it on...... it doesn't go away any more than the mortgage for a woman on $150k in dire need of double dipping of parental leave does.... or a politician's need for survival money 50% for a day higher than a week's Nostart does...

    Take a firm grip on the reins, people......
    Patriot
    15th Jul 2015
    8:54am
    I do not want to be cynical about this or question that there are those on disability pension who should not be!
    BUT": "Is the Government going to BRING OUR JOBS HOME from foreign countries" to have these jobs available for those found "Rorting the System"?????

    If there are NO JOBS - as I am Certain there won't be - REALLY, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE of it all???

    JUST GRAND STANDING & MORE INTIMIDATION?
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    9:19am
    Tub thumping to the deaf and blind true believer hordes out there who actually believe we are over-run by rorters.... every unemp0loyed person is a leaner and no-hoper.. every disabled person on DSP is a thief ... every aged pensioner should be picking up firewood for the evening cooking fire or sweeping snow from the streets...

    That's how far we've advanced in Modern Australia... if I'd ever treated my grand-parents in that way or spoken about someone disabled in that way, my grand-parents would kick my ass.....

    Lots of rhetoric with no hard figures put forward, and the only reason for even suggesting that there is some rort going on is that the goal posts were moved to exclude many people previously covered.
    Jen
    15th Jul 2015
    9:36am
    Exactly Patriot! As I said, "This is typical of the work of Scott Morrison. Not properly thought out, uncaring, over-reaction laws." To feed the haters of whom we have more than our fair share in Australia, unfortunately.
    Patriot
    15th Jul 2015
    1:12pm
    Jen,
    I think it goes past "Not properly thought out".
    I believe that these are steps in the process to achieve Wilful & Total control of the Australian & Global Population.
    Jen
    15th Jul 2015
    1:18pm
    Totally agree Patriot.
    Patriot
    15th Jul 2015
    2:52pm
    Rainy,
    The process is called" "Austerity in Disguise".
    And that is without living in Greece!!!
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    6:26pm
    I suspect a deeper motive, actually. My reading suggests the current government wants a return to serfdom. Abbott is VERY upset that the rich no longer have a team of servants cow-towing to their every whim, and living on bread and dripping. With jobs in such short supply, when people can't get pensions they will have no choice but to become slaves to the rich and privileged and accept bare sustenance as pay. And watch out all you overly complacent workers who are swallowing government lies about ''bludgers''. Big falls in wages are part of the plan. Your living standard is under threat also. The only winners in this scheme will be the filthy rich. Think I'm crazy? We'll see! If you aren't worried, you haven't read nearly enough of Abbott's writings!
    Patriot
    15th Jul 2015
    6:46pm
    Rainey
    I think this is the plan of the International Banksters". Our current Pollies would not have the Intellect & Long-Term Fore Sight to invent scams like this!

    The NLP & ALP already being "Slaves to this System" just execute the instructions as "per latest briefing" from their "International Masters". To keep US confused, they have slightly different policies with Identical Outcomes. Makes US think that they are Opposing Parties!

    This scam is confirmed by the "Total Lack of Intellect" amongst the "Current Crop of Politicians" (few excluded).
    To just "Follow & Execute Orders", intellect is a hindrance rather than an enhancement to the individual. Any one who possesses "Intellect & Compassion" could just not execute the "Current Barrage of Deceptive" Proposed Policy Changes.

    They should remember though that - as I have stated before: "There is NO HONOUR amongst thieves". I'll celebrate the day!!!!
    Jen
    15th Jul 2015
    6:48pm
    Rainey, if I'd read your post two years ago, I'd have had a little giggle and forgotten about it almost immediately. These days, I'm coming to that conclusion myself. Every step he takes, is another step towards the have nots carrying the haves. I read this the other day on another forum and saved it with the writer's permission because it rang true.

    "Our rights under the Abbott government are diminished, our value as Australians are diminished, our democracy has been demoralized and perverted by the Abbott government. The inequality of our lives has increased, our expectation of government responsibility and honesty has been rearranged. The me attitude of the masses has been expanded to the point where so many no longer see us as in the same boat, if you care about other people we are all lefties who are weak as piss and need to be shouted down. The selfishness and greed of so many is exploding in this country, humanity is a dirty word and democracy is a leftie curse that needs to be exterminated. Australia of 2015 is a global pariah led by a criminal government who actively ignores international law and sentences innocent people to life in prison in conditions that resemble concentration conditions out of pure hatred.Our Media organisations no longer investigate anything the government does,it has no courage at all to tell the truth to Australians over the fear of punishment from Abbott's and Murdoch's puppets. No-one in the government has any value for telling the truth they all lie like it is the only option and refuse to tell the truth when it is proved they lied in the first place,to our faces they lie without any consequence at all. The most Evil morally bankrupt and ethically vacant government we have ever seen in this nation since democracy began here, all of them treat the rest of us with the most contempt possible without any remorse whatsoever. So come the next election it will be interesting to see how many self centered small minded arseholes still vote for this government in spite of being witnesses to the death of democracy in Australia today."
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    8:41pm
    Thanks for that quote Jen. I'd love to get the writer's permission to re-quote it, because it's spot on, sadly.
    Abby
    16th Jul 2015
    6:39am
    Ron Horgan published it on Facebook - there is a whole lot of anti Liberal material there.
    Jen
    16th Jul 2015
    7:30am
    Well Googled Abby. Yes, there's a massive amount of anti Liberal material there. Social media is where the counter-balance to the massively biased mass media takes place. Unfortunately, these days, if you want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, you need to go online. It's simply not available on tv or the newspapers. Apart from ABC and SBS which is now being stifled by this government.
    Patriot
    16th Jul 2015
    7:33am
    Jen/Abby,
    Any links to a website (facebook IF must) for Ron Horgan please!?
    He sounds "One-of-Us" and had his head "Screwed On" the right way.

    Thanks
    Jen
    16th Jul 2015
    7:36am
    Patriot, if you message me (click on my name) I can give you plenty of links where you'll find him and many others who're like-minded.

    15th Jul 2015
    1:34pm
    I wonder what Morrison is really achieving here? With high unemployment and people who wrecked their bodies in heavy physical work or dangerous occupations struggling to live with the consequential pain and lifestyle limitations, what do we gain by decreasing the number on disability pensions? Push a few more people into poverty and humiliation by reducing their benefit a few dollars, forcing them onto Newstart instead of the payment they are ethically entitled to. Or maybe, better still, kill a few off who can't deal with the stress of being falsely accused and having their genuine disability denied. (One such committed suicide just a few weeks ago.)

    I endorse clamping down on bludgers, but these percentages don't reflect a clamp down on bludgers. Nobody will convince me that more than 60% of applicants for disability benefits are ''bludgers''. That's just not a reasonable assertion.

    The government would do far better to stop attacking the vulnerable and focus, instead, on job creation. The few who are bludging on disability might be far less likely to do so if there were viable work opportunities available to them. Of course there will always be some who will take wrongful advantage of any system, and sadly we have to live with that if we are to have a system that reflects a social conscience, but 60+ % faking disability. Sorry, Scott Morrison, that's BS!

    And one more note: Many of the applicants are disabled because of government neglect of safety standards, injustice, abuse or deprivation in earlier life that was wholly preventable, or performing a public service that required them to sacrifice their safety or health. And now some applaud continuing the abuse by denying them fair support. In many cases, these people shouldn't have to apply for disability. They should be enjoying fat compensation payouts for the terrible suffering they've endured due to someone else's negligence of incompetence. Victims of private enterprise neglect or failure mostly do, but victim of government wrong seldom even get a fair hearing.

    15th Jul 2015
    2:22pm
    So some of you agree with Morrison's apparent allegation that more than 60% of applicants for disability benefits are malingerers? Really. More than 60%! Come on now. Don't try to convince me that 6 out of 10 people who are given certificates by their doctor (which they HAVE to obtain as a first step), accept that they will probably have to subject themselves to specialist assessments, X-rays, investigative procedures, an inquisition on their financial situation, interviews with Centrelink social workers, etc. etc. etc., and will then have all their future activities constantly monitored to try to prove their claim isn't genuine, are ''malingerers pretending disability they don't have.''

    PLEASE! That's just BS!

    Quite clearly, genuine applicants are being wrongfully denied.
    Wstaton
    15th Jul 2015
    2:51pm
    Can't help people who are being brainwashed by the LNP sort of like a bit like IS brainwashing some of our kids. You just keep telling them lies and keep repeating it.

    Notice that this government keeps repeating things.

    Like the Clean Energy Finance Corporation. We keep getting told that it is costing money yet all it does is make loans which have to be paid back and even makes a profit.

    The lies started immediately after the got power and continue to this day.

    Now for those tools you think I am against this government and therefore a labor hack, you are wrong. I hate ally sneaky lying governments no matter what their ilk.

    Governments are there to serve the people not a tiny segment of them who they think will benefit them.

    The DSP is a prime example of what despots use as guinea pigs as well as the pensioners etc. All who these people think cannot hit back. I think this government will be surprised.

    Roll on the Buffett Rule.
    LiveItUp
    15th Jul 2015
    3:06pm
    It would not surprise me that it was more than 60% of applicants as it's just so easy to get a certificate from the doctor. I was offered one every time I saw a doctor before I officially retired.

    I know lots of kids with mild autism that are on on disability benefits and continue on them as adults.

    If you don't have any income then the Buffet rule is useless.
    Wstaton
    15th Jul 2015
    3:13pm
    Bonney, the Buffet Rule is designed to catch all those millionaires and very high income earners from avoiding all income tax. Not those on low and middle income earners who by the way pay the most income tax overall.
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    5:22pm
    Bonny, it might be easy to get a certificate from some doctors - but not most. And that's only the start of the unbelievable hoops people have to jump through to apply for a disability pension. Honestly, if you think 60% of applicants are not genuine, you must believe the the average person LOVES torture and invites it constantly, for virtually no gain! The disability benefit is NOT generous. It might be a few dollars more than New Start, but it's not much more.

    And Wstaton is right. We'd do far better at improving the economy if we taxed the rich properly instead of attacking the least advantaged in the community.

    15th Jul 2015
    5:42pm
    Wow! A whole 810,000 people on Disability support. That's a whopping .035% of the population. And some nutters think that figure suggests a sick nation! In a nation where workplace health and safety was neglected for decades; children suffered horrific abuse and deprivation in institutions; doctors have been prescribing drugs with horrific side effects; obesity is growing at an alarming rate; there's no policing of the sale of junk food; many roads are in poor condition and motoring accidents are common; and we've traditionally do very little to control cigarette smoking or alcohol abuse until quite recently, it amazes me that such a tiny percentage of the population have sought disability support. But then, nearly everyone I know who works in a low-paid, physically demanding job is struggling with constant pain and wondering how long they will be able to continue.

    Just as a matter of interest, how does anyone come up with a figure of 63% when the number is 810,000. 63% would be nearly 15 million!
    Wstaton
    15th Jul 2015
    6:11pm
    Think you may have skewed the maths there Rainey. I suggest the percentage should be more like 3.5%.

    810,000 I think is total on DSP therefore 63% is 510,300 they reckon is rorting the system and only 299,700 true blue DSP's. Although there may be a significant number of people rorting the system it is hard to believe that over half a million were getting away with it.
    Jen
    15th Jul 2015
    6:12pm
    Thanks to Tony Abbott there will be even more people on the DSP in the future. Since Tony Abbott changed the workplace health and safety laws, 37 people have died on the job. How many are injured and permanently disabled? Sort of makes the 4 pink bats deaths, caused by lack of proper training by employers, seem much less serious, doesn't it? I wonder how a Royal Commission in the future will go?

    By the way, again, I totally agree with your post.
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2015
    6:34pm
    Sorry Wstaton, you are right. I didn't mean to add the % sign. It is either .035, or 3.5%. And no, I don't believe half a million people were rorting the system, and I certainly don't believe we have less than 300,000 genuinely disabled people in this country. Check some statistics, people.There are nearly 150,000 NEW cases of cancer each year in Australia (and increasing!). In 2011-12, there were 326,000 people sick with cancer in this country. That's just ONE disease that is heavily disabling. But apparently there are less genuinely disabled people in Australia than there are people suffering cancer! Not likely!
    Young Simmo
    15th Jul 2015
    6:32pm
    If you have a strong stomach and don't normally vomit from reading print, have a look at this.
    https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/28809214/chopper-takes-speaker-to-golf-club-event/

    OK, off subject sorry.
    Wstaton
    15th Jul 2015
    7:53pm
    This shows what contempt this LNP government has for the Australian people.

    What I think here is these Mp's riding the bandwagon for all they are worth while they can. They will be out soon.
    TREBOR
    15th Jul 2015
    9:52pm
    That one's been raised elsewhere - $5227.27 to fly from Malbun to Geelong at a time when hitting the husting was on for the Victorian election. A hire car would have cost a tenth of that.

    Just shows what a contemptible set of rascals and entitlement mined fools who've done not much for this country we have in the hot seat at the moment... and for some time past now... I take no sides.

    Self-serving graspers out of the public purse for every whim.
    Ecco
    16th Jul 2015
    1:25am
    I suggest we sue this Government for Domestic Abuse. End of story.
    Patriot
    16th Jul 2015
    7:34am
    Ecco,
    Any Ideas "where to start" with such action?
    Anonymous
    16th Jul 2015
    9:03am
    Wish I knew. I think we actually have a number of legal claims against them for fraud, deception, misleading conduct causing harm... the list goes on and on. Didn't they promise ''no changes to pensions''?
    Patriot
    16th Jul 2015
    9:30am
    Rainey
    They OWN the COURTS which do as they want!
    So, Where do you go except for a REVOLUTION!!!!

    We're only JUST INCHES behind the USofA!!!
    Wstaton
    16th Jul 2015
    9:37am
    If a business advertised with misleading rhetoric they would be taken to task for false advertising. How come politicians can't
    Patriot
    16th Jul 2015
    10:13am
    Wstaton
    They would only be taken to task if such "misleading rhetoric" opposed the agenda of the "One Worlders" as an ELITE GROUP.
    If it were to support such agenda, it would be actively promoted as the "BARRAGE of New Ideas" emanating from the Current Government is!!!
    Maca1939
    16th Jul 2015
    10:38am
    I am afraid that I do not think that people are being assessed in the proper manner I know someone who is 52 years old who is married with 2 children he has be diagnosed with cancer pancreatic cancer he was on the disability pension. He has been removed from that and was working 17 hours per week delivering pizza. Arrived home exhausted each day. Fell into bed and then found he was unable to eat or sleep. I find that this is appalling that someone is expected to do this work suffering from cancer and pain , with an illness like cancer.
    I also have worked with people who have been my client on Newstart and in one week I use to get over 12 people back into the workplace in Altona, each person needs to be assessed and motivated to work, and treated properly. Taking people off the DSP is fine if they are able to contribute to the workplace but taking people off DSP and treating them in this manner is not the thing to do.
    pisac1
    16th Jul 2015
    1:36pm
    hi I am 61 years old male. I had been on work cover payments since year 2000 due to my lower back and neck problems. Lower back has 2 raptured disc but there was no surgery done as doctor Brian Barrett said that Ill be worse of with surgery in my neck I had 3 surgeries. C5/6 fusion and C7/T1 fusion C7/T1 was done 2 years ago and I had lots of problems with that and now it was found that it was not fused properly so next week I am going for another fusion to same disc. Another problem is with disc C6/7 as it is left in between and specialist said to me that it is going to degenerate any way and should be fused so all 3 in line be fused. I have other problems like diabetes that its very hard to control as I cant exercise I can walk 2 km and that is all the exercise I can do. My problems come from work cover and Center link. work cover keeps stopping my payments and I keep going to court and vining and than they pay me penalties plus back pay. When they stopped my payments in 2011 I was on disability pensions for two years. there was no problem but now I am back in court with work cover but for past year Centre link would not give me pension and put me on new start as they say that I can work 15 hours per week and they said I have to go to Disability Employment services so they can help me find a job. when I went I asked the girl if they given her my medical reports and answer was no so next visit I brought them to her an said how am I suppose to work since that day I go there every fortnight and in and out in 5 minutes but no DSP my reports are from Brian Barrett who states that I cant work not even light duties, work cover medical panel states not fit for work indefinitely Patrick Chan agrees with medical panel. I was never sent to doctor by center link. they examined me by video conference my 3 appeal was by some person siting 5 meters away from me I am on my 4 appeal but had to postpone as I am having neck surgery next week. with money I get I can by food but cant pay bills. maybe you people can come with some ideas what do I do after my surgery
    Anonymous
    16th Jul 2015
    2:59pm
    Your experience sounds much like a friend's, pisac1, except that he could never get Workcover or any kind of compensation. He was denied disability for years because a SOCIAL WORKER who was just out of university ''diagnosed'' him fit because he ''didn't wince with pain getting up from a chair after an interview''. She declared he could be ''phased back into the workforce in 2 years with therapy and counselling''. He was 64 and a half at the time -6 months away from qualifying for the age pension. He was also told if he declined surgery - which is declared highly risky and potentially could cause paralysis - then he couldn't claim disability because he was rejecting treatment!
    Not Senile Yet!
    17th Jul 2015
    1:40pm
    Far too many on this site simply do not understand the active Corruption of OUR Parliament by the PARTY SYSTEM!!!!!
    Most are brainwashed by either Parties' Propaganda to the point that believe that their Party is not corrupt!!!!
    Please.....stop playing about with the Party system of you are either Black or White.....or the old one.....if your not with us then your against us!!!!
    Theses are all designed to have you bickering amongst yourselves whilst the Party Machines and their Puppet MP's are Pigs at the Taxpayer Trough......wake up people!!!!
    The Party Puppet has sold your vote to the Party Machine BEFORE you have even given it to him/her in exchange for Pre-Selection!!!!
    How is that not fraudulent???? Standing for election to represent you when they have no intention of doing so.....because they have already agreed to vote how their Party Tells them to......nothing more than a special club for the elite within each Party.!!!!
    STOP VOTING THEM IN!!!!
    They are just Puppets.....controlled by a Party with vested interests in their own future.....not yours!!!!
    All Party Machine MP's have continued to erode all benefits and Welfare Payments or access to same for ONE reason ONLY.....To SAVE Money being paid out because they Continually cannot BALANCE THE BUDGET!!!!
    WHY??? The answer is simple......because they can!!!!!
    Doing so allows the excuse to diminish paying anybody anything!!!!!
    The Party Machines have privatised everything......to save the cost of investment......and to get money to pay for continual Budget Blowouts!!!!
    Currently the Australian Government has the Largest Tax Income in it's History!!!!
    This because of the ever expanding base...like fuel...like alcohol....like GST.....like Tobacco.....like Land taxes...etc. etc.
    Not to mention the fact that our Population is now twice what it was!
    Australia has MORE Politicians....both State & Federal.....per head of Population......than any other Western Civilised Society!!!!!
    What's worse is the fact that these Politicians are also the Highest Paid in the Western World as well!!!!
    Our Prime Minister collects a higher Salary than the President of the USA......so to do each of the State Premiers!!!!!
    What a huge rip-off these Party Machines are creating for the Taxpayer!!!!
    Stop electing the Party Puppets......Stop getting sucked in by their Propaganda.......they are just Pigs at the Tax Trough!!!
    Vote them all out next election!!!!!
    DO NOT VOTE FOR A PARTY PUPPET OR PARTY!!!!
    Reverse the order on their Donkey Cards and put an Independent at NO.1.
    Stop them Scamming YOUR tax Dollar and removing you tax safety nets!!!!!
    Not Senile Yet!
    17th Jul 2015
    1:40pm
    Far too many on this site simply do not understand the active Corruption of OUR Parliament by the PARTY SYSTEM!!!!!
    Most are brainwashed by either Parties' Propaganda to the point that believe that their Party is not corrupt!!!!
    Please.....stop playing about with the Party system of you are either Black or White.....or the old one.....if your not with us then your against us!!!!
    Theses are all designed to have you bickering amongst yourselves whilst the Party Machines and their Puppet MP's are Pigs at the Taxpayer Trough......wake up people!!!!
    The Party Puppet has sold your vote to the Party Machine BEFORE you have even given it to him/her in exchange for Pre-Selection!!!!
    How is that not fraudulent???? Standing for election to represent you when they have no intention of doing so.....because they have already agreed to vote how their Party Tells them to......nothing more than a special club for the elite within each Party.!!!!
    STOP VOTING THEM IN!!!!
    They are just Puppets.....controlled by a Party with vested interests in their own future.....not yours!!!!
    All Party Machine MP's have continued to erode all benefits and Welfare Payments or access to same for ONE reason ONLY.....To SAVE Money being paid out because they Continually cannot BALANCE THE BUDGET!!!!
    WHY??? The answer is simple......because they can!!!!!
    Doing so allows the excuse to diminish paying anybody anything!!!!!
    The Party Machines have privatised everything......to save the cost of investment......and to get money to pay for continual Budget Blowouts!!!!
    Currently the Australian Government has the Largest Tax Income in it's History!!!!
    This because of the ever expanding base...like fuel...like alcohol....like GST.....like Tobacco.....like Land taxes...etc. etc.
    Not to mention the fact that our Population is now twice what it was!
    Australia has MORE Politicians....both State & Federal.....per head of Population......than any other Western Civilised Society!!!!!
    What's worse is the fact that these Politicians are also the Highest Paid in the Western World as well!!!!
    Our Prime Minister collects a higher Salary than the President of the USA......so to do each of the State Premiers!!!!!
    What a huge rip-off these Party Machines are creating for the Taxpayer!!!!
    Stop electing the Party Puppets......Stop getting sucked in by their Propaganda.......they are just Pigs at the Tax Trough!!!
    Vote them all out next election!!!!!
    DO NOT VOTE FOR A PARTY PUPPET OR PARTY!!!!
    Reverse the order on their Donkey Cards and put an Independent at NO.1.
    Stop them Scamming YOUR tax Dollar and removing you tax safety nets!!!!!
    Abby
    18th Jul 2015
    1:22pm
    Well said NSY

    We definitely have too many overpaid Politicians.

    This will continue to happen whilst Politicians are allowed to be able to serve more than 2 terms in the Parliament and they are allowed to make their career.
    bookwyrm
    19th Jul 2015
    11:01pm
    I would give anything to have good health and go back to work. But I can‘t change the facts - I doubt I will be long lived the way I‘m going. I‘ve been in sick and in pain since early March. Scott Morrison should try it. The man is a monster.

    Also, politicians are such hypocrites. It‘s all about nastiness. The govt commissioned a report to say 99% of mentally ill on DSP could work. Australian and NZ psychiatrists came out to categorically deny that. I‘ve worked 8 years at a ?????
    bookwyrm
    19th Jul 2015
    11:32pm
    psychiatric ngo and these people are really ill and need all the support they can get. If you were a parent and had to choose between what disability your child has to have, I would advise visually impaired, not mentally ill. You don‘t tend to see the visually impaired flooding prisons, being homeless, psychotic, with little if any support etc etc.

    People who are visually impaired tend to be rational, sane, clean, healthy, well-supported etc. Also what most Australians don‘t know is that unlikely other categories of disabilities they are automatically put on the disability pension and that pension is not means tested. Here is a real example - she was a lecturer, then moved to another professional job in her field. Her husband is not disabled in any way and is fully sighted of course. He is a professional as well. They bought a new 5 bedroom house and then had a child. Of course she got govt and job maternity money. So why is she claiming the full disability allowance and getting it? Because she can. Because it‘s legal. The Abbott govt was advised to get rid of this historic anomaly but they like Labor, didn‘t want to be seen to ‘bashing‘ ‘blind‘ people. But what makes me mad is it‘s O.K. to bash other people with really severe disabilies and every other person on dsp is means tested and people with bad disabilies are either being denied or taken of the dsp And Scott Morrison is boasting about it. All except the visually impaired, who are untouchable and not means tested. Even if they had millions or their spouse has a full salary, they can still automatically get the full DSP.

    Scott Morrison is an evil extreme right wing bastard and all this is going to end like in the UK with disabled people being taken off the pension to meet a right wing government‘s quota, and there was a rise in homelessness, deaths, suicides, hunger etc
    Jen
    20th Jul 2015
    6:46am
    Excellent post, bookwym.
    Nigel11
    12th Apr 2016
    5:24pm
    I would like to know people thoughts on how much it costs to get on the DSP. Now ATM ct's and mri's are free. Blood tests are free. For now! Specialists are not.
    So with Scott Worrysome and the LNP the cost to obtain the relevant documentation to prove your claim is out of reach for most people.
    I got knocked back for the 3rd time last week. For me to prove my incapacity to work I have to get reports from Lung specialists, Orthopaedic surgeon, ear specialist and a Chronic Fatigue specialist. There's a $1000 minimum. You can't get on the public system because you don't have a pension card. I could travel to Brisbane and get reimbursed in 2 months time. But alas, you have to have the money first. Under the LNP proposals to make you pay for all your medical scans and blood tests are another kick in the guts solely designed for you not to use them. I have never felt so betrayed by the current DSP qualification system as it currently stands. It's demeaning. Also having to attend a Work place officer before an actual doctor is outrageous. Why should a workplace officer at Centrelink, who has no medical qualifications decide whether your claim goes to the next step. The process so far has taken 5 months since submitting application. Now the appeal process will begin only when I can afford to go and see all the relevant specialists. Death would be a hell of a lot simpler.
    Play Fairly
    25th Apr 2016
    9:38am
    Nigel11, do not let it get to you. The current situation with Centrelink's assessment process for DSP's is an absolute disgrace, and I pray for this process to be challenged by some group who has the necessary $$s to challenge the legislation changes that were effective from 1st July 2015. Whoever is responsible for drafting the legislation, and all those who voted it in, have created an impossible situation for those who need it the most. Seems like all the medical reports that were written by our Doctors and Specialists were a complete waste of their valuable time, as these reports were reviewed by Assessment Officers WHO DID NOT POSSESS ANY MEDICAL QUALIFICATIONS WHATSOEVER. I hope you don't give up your fight for some fairness. There are other people out there also with obvious major debilitating illnesses, and they are being insulted by Centrelink's requirement to have a "Job Assessment" even when they are suffering debilitating effects from cancer treatments. I have to conclude that our government comprises people who don't really care about anyone other than themselves and their own pensions.
    Young Simmo
    12th Apr 2016
    6:12pm
    I know a bloke who had a Serious Heart operation back around 2000-2002 at age 62. He said that's it for me, and went onto the DSP for the next 3 years until he got the pension. So yes there is room for a tightening of the rules it was all to easy. Mind you, he had worked all his life and was a decent person, and just wanted an easy ride towards the finish line.
    Play Fairly
    25th Apr 2016
    9:48am
    Crikey "young Simmo". If he was 62 and had major heart surgery for a dickey heart, my thoughts are that he should be entitled to slow down a bit, otherwise he might not have lived to reach pension age!
    Young Simmo
    25th Apr 2016
    11:53am
    Actually Play Fairly, prior to his Bypass he was a total wreck, had his Bypass and returned to work to be told by Rio Tinto, we are not renewing your contract, ( he was a Mechanical fitter). What the NUTS didn't know was he was 10 times as Physically Fit and able as before, and he said OK, that's it, and he has never regretted a minute over the last 14 years. How do I know all this? well, he is my best friend if you get my meaning.