Refugee intake to be expanded

Tony Abbott has promised Australia will increase its humanitarian intake.

Refugee intake to be expanded

As Europe struggles to manage the flood of refugees from Syria and Iraq, Tony Abbott has promised Australia will “step up to the plate” and increase its humanitarian intake from this part of the world. However, the increased intake will remain within the Government’s agreed overall refugee program of 13,750 resettled per year.

The Government had agreed last year that Australia would take 4500 refugees from the war-torn area of Syria, and in a response to the “humanitarian disaster”, the Prime Minister announced yesterday that “we are proposing to take more people from this region as part of our very substantial commitment. Our focus will be on families and women and children, especially of persecuted minorities, who have sought refuge in camps neighbouring Syria and Iraq."

Mr Abbott said he had been moved by “the horrific imagery of that little boy washed up on a beach in Turkey” and that Immigration Minister Peter Dutton would be heading to Geneva for talks with the UN refugee agency. The Government will also consider further funding to help the humanitarian effort for those in refugee camps. "Australia, as always, will step up to the plate. We always do when there is a problem in the world," Mr Abbott said.

However, the Prime Minister is still committed to taking military action in Syria, with the Cabinet’s National Security Committee to meet this week to discuss extending air strikes into the area.

Labor leader Bill Shorten and the Greens want an immediate increase in the intake of refugees. "Labor believes that we can take more refugees in Australia. We should also be providing greater resources to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees," Mr Shorten said, with the Greens calling for 20,000 refugees to be taken as a matter of urgency.

The announcement by the Prime Minister comes after impassioned pleas by NSW and South Australian premiers. Mike Baird took to Facebook on Saturday with his plea, "It is a great thing that we don't have children drowning at sea trying to get to our shores. That has been a significant humanitarian achievement. But stopping the boats can't be where this ends. It is surely where humanitarianism begins." His South Australian counterpart, Jay Weatherill offered support, "We certainly will be offering South Australia as an open and welcoming destination for those Syrians fleeing violence," he said.

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Opinion: A step in the right direction

No one who saw the image of three-year-old Aylan’s body washed up on the beach in Turkey could fail to be moved by the plight of those fleeing Syria to try and save their families. As is often the case, it takes a truly tragic and confronting image to jolt people out of their slumber and into action. However, the reality is that children as young, and even younger than Aylan face fear on a daily basis, many of them too young to know a life that is any different.

The crisis in Syria and the resulting influx of refugees to Europe is not just something that is happening ‘over there’, it’s incumbent on us all to accept that we have a humanitarian obligation to help where we can. These are not people seeking a better life on whim; these are people who are fleeing for their lives. As has been well documented, the Asad regime's indiscriminate barrel bombing of civilians, the ruthlessness of IS when it comes to taking over towns and villages and the atrocities they will have seen and endured, will be more than we can ever hope to understand.

So well done Mr Abbott for responding in a way that we all should and that is to “step up to the plate” and help where we can. How many refugees Australia takes will be up for discussion. For those living their lives in fear it will never be enough, but it’s a start and one which goes a little way to restoring my faith in government and politicians.

What do you think? Do you believe that including the increased number of Syrian refugees in Australia’s existing 13,750 quota is the correct response? Or do you agree with the Greens and Labor that there should be a significant increase in our total quota of refugees?





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    SGW
    7th Sep 2015
    10:22am
    Abbott should remember this country was built on the backs of refugees after WW2
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    10:58am
    Well said! How many of us don't have some ties to other countries? - only those who are truly indigenous. Maybe we should leave the decision on how many refugees we take in to our indigenous peoples!
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    11:07am
    Why should we do that Saalbach, when it's every Australian taxpayer that will be paying for it?
    Not Amused
    7th Sep 2015
    11:21am
    Post-WWII refugees were of similar culture, similar religions and similar family values. When they arrived, they were given nothing. They were lucky to get a temporary roof over their heads. There were no hand-outs because they were sent to work wherever work was available. Italian, Greek, Polish wives and girlfriends were not treated like dirt by their men, as we see from the people forcing their cultures and religions into our society today. They were hard-working nation builders who adopted our customs and social ways. Just because immigration worked well after WWII, doesn't mean it is working so well now, or even that it has worked well since the 1970's when we imported Asian gangs with fighting methods totally alien to Australian men whose only form of defence was a fist-fight. As a result we see violence of a type never before thought of: street-knifings, kicking, eye gouging, machete violence, nunchucks. Be careful what we wish for. Times change, and it happens so slowly we do not properly forecast the error of our ways. When all the recent decades' politicians are safely locked up together behind fancy retirement village gates, it's their grand-children who will be left walking the streets with the mess they made of careless, incompatible immigration policies.
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    11:24am
    Yep, Yorky, if we did that we might get a decision you didn't like. Let's not offer help to anyone, just in case it costs us something.
    biddi
    7th Sep 2015
    11:38am
    Can you imagine Australia in 100 years' time? Just have a look see what's
    happened in Europe. I foresee A LOT of trouble down the line.
    And what about the refugees sitting in camps for years being pushed further back in the so-called queue? Thanks for the true account, Pablo. I don't support any particular party but Abbott has got it right in terms of turn back the boats. Where are all the women from Syria etc? Dad's gone ahead and will send for you and the 8 kids once
    he's 'established'. Apart from Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan, what are all the other
    Arab/Muslim nations doing to help? Zilsch.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    12:00pm
    Saudi Arabia and its Cousins said ..We Don't Want Them !! They are not of our Kind !!WTF ?
    MILA
    7th Sep 2015
    12:26pm
    Not only Australia took many people.....orphans, families due to poverty as well as wars: South Africa, Latin America, U.S.A., the UK: all did it. Those people made a great contribution and , as it is today: they are part of the nation and the values , culture, language and more. Please let us kook at history and, as a simple example the moors/arabs invaded and stayed in Spain for some 400 years: some good things and contribution but, they were INVASORS. Radicals of all sorts not to be taken here or anywhere - nobody wishes to live in fear, anarchism and else. Stop
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    12:33pm
    Not amused...you've hit the nail on the head, as we've found out the hard way not all immigrants assimilate and fit into our culture. Politicians are too politically correct to admit it but if we don't look out in a few years time we will have the same problem that the UK, France, Holland etc have. High time pressure was put on the muslim countries to do their bit for their own kind.
    I will watch with fascination how the Germans will cope with the hordes that have arrived and are still coming, not hundreds but thousands, unless they set up tent cities there must be a lot of house & job vacancies!
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    12:54pm
    yes SWG some were refugees but also migrants and they were needed and all assimilated, very different to the situation today. Today it seems that if you don't like where you live you just "invade" another country of your choice as a refugee or asylum seeker and expect to be welcomed; the formal application is just thrown out the window.
    marls
    7th Sep 2015
    1:47pm
    I spoke to my aunty in Germany last night she said "we cannot be saved" the prob has been going on for some time. they cannot leave their homes, they have to tell the neighbours if they go out otherwise it will be broken into and robbed they go shopping and these people wait for them outside, 150 of them were put into the local school to give them shelter. they burnt it down. they only want free housing, welfare and do not want to work. Germany does not have work its not going well like the media is telling us. the media is not reporting the truth. and don't forgot the 2 children and wife that drowned he lived in a safe country and was working he got greedy and wanted to have his teeth fixed for nothing he had already been rejected residency in Canada please do not be fooled the the rubbish the media is telling us
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    2:38pm
    Trood ..You forget to say and then call us Racists for the SLIGHTEST thing that we object to !! :-)
    Sceptic
    7th Sep 2015
    3:19pm
    How many more are like the father of the two boys and wife that drowned? They had been in safety in Turkey for three years, and he was working there. He wanted to go to Europe to get his teeth fixed. Yet it is still reported that they were fleeing Syria, which was so dangerous that he went back to his original village to bury his family.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    3:25pm
    Yes ! Its a Hitchcock Movie if You waltz around the Net and read it all ??? :-(
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2015
    5:47pm
    I see. This story has more twists than Chubby Checker?
    Theo1943
    7th Sep 2015
    6:31pm
    I'm one of the 1953 boat people, an economic refugee from Europe.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    7:00pm
    Ill bet you never came on a 4 man fishing boat with 150 sardines jammed on it that leaked like sieve !!
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    8:53pm
    My forebears - or 50% of them - arrived here by boat in the 1850's - one lot to escape the Irish Famines, poverty and the Bluidy English - the others were Jews from Hamburg - need I say more about Anti-Semitic Europe?

    The Scots arrived here in the 1880's for much the same reason as the Irish, and the other Irish lot I'm not sure about - there are too many by that name. Most married into either Irish or Scottish lines with one Sassenach exception from Portsmouth - which could be anything at all, since Portsmouth is the major port of arrival for all kinds from the Empire (at that time). From my colour and stuff she was either perhaps Indian or Chinese or part thereof.

    So regardless of whether or not they arrived by boat or however - the family have been here a very long time, and hardly fit into the definition of 'new comers'.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    11:01pm
    SGW: Yes. Hard working European IMMIGRANTS. From Christian countries.
    What you miss is that the contemporary lot are from Islamic countries (troubel waiting to unfold) and for the most part see social security payments preferable to getting up and earning a living.
    There is a difference between a 'new country' and a 'land of milk and honey'.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    10:55am
    I think I will go to the Doctor today. Something is not quite right, I think mick is making sense? Does anyone else see that? Or is it just me?
    particolor
    26th May 2016
    2:47pm
    If you do have to go to the Doctor Frank Be prepared to wait behind 20 or 30 Women in head Scarfs with 100 Screaming Kids waiting for a Freeby !! :-(
    Misty
    26th May 2016
    4:26pm
    I read somewhere that Peter Dutton estimates we have over 500.000 Illegal refugees in Australia but the Indigenous people believe it is more like 23 Million, give or take a few and they have a point there.
    Pablo
    7th Sep 2015
    10:38am
    Remember that kid that drowned recently on a "refugee" boat invading Europe?

    Very tragic, right? No one likes to read about a kid losing their life like that.

    Well, here's the truth about what happened.....

    The father wanted his 'TEETH' done in Europe because he had none.

    The family had left Syria in 2012, and were living in Turkey, the father had been there for three years, he had a job, a home and was fit and well.

    They were heading for Europe. Watch the sky interview with his sister in Canada, she explains his reasons.

    'Greed' killed his family. So he was a economic migrant not a refugee.

    But the media plays up only the child dying so that we all feel sorry for these poor innocent "refugees".

    Pass the tissues please

    Everyone keeps carrying on about the "Syrian refugees", when so many of them are NOT SYRIAN and many of them are NOT REFUGEES as they are just country shopping, going from one country to the next until they are happy to stop and get the welfare of that country.
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    10:48am
    At least you acknowledge that they are migrants - that's a start! Pray tell, why did the whole family leave Turkey if the father just wanted to get his teeth done? couldn't he get them done in Turkey? Don't they have dentists there, or are they more expensive than dentists in Germany? Sometimes it seems as if those who have been fortunate enough to be able to come to Australia (like someone I know) absolutely hate the idea of others also being given the chance - my acquaintance is bitter because he was promised certain things when he came here after the war, and he didn't get all he was promised. He therefore doesn't want the current refugees here now! What's your story, Pablo - why the bitterness and lack of compassion?
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    10:57am
    How do we distinguish between genuine asylum seekers and economic migrants when the majority have torn up their papers or passports? This is a bandwagon that has been facilitated by poor border controls and an Internet push on welfare benefits available in the EU. I don't see many of the Middle Eastern countries stepping up to the plate to help their Muslim brothers and sIsters. The media are driving this campaign, but the young men marching their way across Europe don't look desperate to me. Some have iPhones and selfie sticks! I'm wondering if there is a hidden agenda mixed in with this need for rehoming? The people I feel sorry for are the genuine asylum seekers who are in UNHCR camps in Ethiopia and Eritrea, who don't have money to pay people smugglers and have hardly a crust to eat. They have been pushed to the back of the queue by this mob, who quite frankly as others have said are just picking and choosing where they want to live...in fact they are demanding it in some cases.
    SGW
    7th Sep 2015
    11:43am
    were all immigrants so why stop people fleeing from the wars caused by the US and it's allies the same opportunity
    Jen
    7th Sep 2015
    12:33pm
    Pablo, that's a complete lie, you're spreading. Do some research. The truth is out there.
    marls
    7th Sep 2015
    1:49pm
    Pablo thank you for telling it how it is greed
    marls
    7th Sep 2015
    1:53pm
    saalback.... the offer went out a couple of years ago to take refugees into our homes and be paid for it. as yet I have not come across one person who is supportive of them taking up the offer I ask you to did you take up the offer. actions speak louder than words
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    2:03pm
    marls that offer from the labor government was put because we couldn't build detention centres fast enough. It was obviously designed to get more welfare in the hands of the existing boat people already settled. Some have left and been back to the battle fields and returned to wander our streets. Your namesake in the parliament will know all about it.
    margie
    7th Sep 2015
    10:45am
    This little boy has been used as propaganda and reporters and all the political do gooders out there should hang their heads in shame. The truth is the father had a job and a house in Turkey, where they had lived for 3 years and according to the fathers sister the family wanted to live in Canada to which end she was trying to assist. The father also wanted new teeth. Many of these people are economic and country shopping refugees. Ever noticed how there are so many young men in the pictures shown of those fleeing persecution and wondered why they leave their loved ones to suffer? Genuine refugees need our help but we want to be sure they will assimilate and give back to those that have so generously taken them in, do not forget we have here in Australia many homeless people that just maybe we should be looking after and if we can't afford that then we can't afford to take in others.
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    10:54am
    So we will only take those who will repay their "debt" to us, is that right? We can't give generously to those who are less fortunate, without some strings attached? What a really pitiful world you must live in! Do you realize that most of the successful entrepreneurs in Australia currently were refugee once? They have "repaid" their debt many times over by creating jobs and helping the economy! Yes, let's help the homeless, but surely we have enough wealth in our country to help refugees, fleeing war and persecution.
    Pablo
    7th Sep 2015
    10:57am
    Saalbach, are you going to offer up your home for these people to live in or expect others to do it for you?
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    11:09am
    I am happy in the first instance to have a good proportion of my taxes used to help these people find the relative peace and security we have here. Aren't you? I am also happy to donate (several hundred dollars each year) to charities such as Oxfam, Red Cross, etc) who help those less fortunate in other countries such as Africa, Nepal, etc - do you? If out current Govt continues to procrastinate about the plight of these people, I would also probably offer shelter as well if it meant saving their lives- wouldn't you? Is that the reason for your lack of humanity? - you are scared you might have to give up something?
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    12:09pm
    Actually Saalbach, I often find that those who feel the need to brag about their generosity, whilst patronising others for their lack of compassion, are the ones least likely to step up to the plate.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    12:23pm
    I don't Rave about making Donations to anyone ! I'm a Rat Sniffing Fox Terrier !!
    If I see anything Untoward I let them know about it !!
    Have a Good look at where The Good Samaritan got Lebanon ?? On second thoughts don't It'll make You SICK !! :
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    12:27pm
    You must lead a very isolated life, then, mixing with only those who share your somewhat blinkered and self centered views. I note however, you did say "often". Clearly then you admit that you do find those who do what they can to help the needy and who do have compassion for those less fortunate do step up to the plate. Do you? Maybe you can learn from those people? Sorry if you thought I was bragging (I wasn't, I was making a point) and being patronizing (I was being critical, actually).
    margie
    7th Sep 2015
    1:46pm
    Jen. I'm sorry that all you can do is abuse someone and call them names, I got my info from watching the sister of the father who said straight out that she had sent money and the father needed new teeth as he had none. Do you have any reason to believe otherwise and if you do please post it, that would be better than making nasty comments and if you are correct you may be educating all the rest of us that have seen and heard this 'malicious rumour'
    marls
    7th Sep 2015
    1:57pm
    jen .... sorry but Margie is telling the truth sister in Canada paid $4000 he had a job in turkey (safe country) he just wanted everything free. he also was rejected citizenship in Canada before and I am sick and tired of hearing about this 3yr old every one has forgotten there were 2 little children not one the other is totally ignored and so is their mother
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    2:03pm
    well I've seen the Whole Story so far ! And what Margie says is true !! And I didn't get it by reading a Dumbed Down Dhimmi Newspaper of the Australian Variety now !!
    I wouldn't give 2 Bart about half a Cent for an Aussie Newspaper now ! And as for a Politician's Speech !! Don't make Me Laugh !! :-(
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    2:05pm
    And next year we will have to listen to al that Rocky and Bullwinkle again !! :-( :-(
    Jen
    7th Sep 2015
    2:10pm
    Margie, calling someone a liar is not abuse, it is stating a fact. I am sick of reading little snippets of his story being pasted into a bunch of lies to make him look bad. In fact, he and his family have had a horrendous time and I do not blame him for trying to seek a save and better life for his family. Read the truth and see if your hatred softens a little. I won't hold my breath:

    Abdullah Kurdi, the father of the boy who drowned, was detained for 5 months by Syrian Air Force Intelligence in Damascus. While in detention, he was tortured and his teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras (around $25,000)

    After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his wife and sons, Alyan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became dangerous due to the constant aerial bombardment, so they fled again to Kobani, his hometown.

    When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer remain in Syria, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish government refused them all assistance, so they paid almost $6,000 to secure four spots on a rubber dinghy to the Greek island of Kos.

    While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The lifejackets they were given proved to be fake. His sons and wife all drowned in front of Abdullah's eyes, in his arms.

    Kurdi had applied in June for refuge to Canada, but was rejected. After Aylan's photo became a media story, he was reportedly offered citizenship to Canada. But he doesn't want to go to Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken away from him and he has "nothing to live for."
    migmag
    7th Sep 2015
    2:26pm
    As soon as I hear the phrase "do-gooders" I cringe. What's wrong with trying to do good? why is it used as a way of putting people down? words used like lefties and tree huggers even greens. People who use these phrases and descriptions just give away what newspaper the have been reading and how they have been brainwashed.
    Jen
    7th Sep 2015
    2:33pm
    And how could anybody believe someone would risk their lives and that of their entire family for the chance to get free dental treatment? Sheesh.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    2:42pm
    I might Shove My Whole family into a four Man Rubber Boat with 30 other people an head for New Zilland for a better life !! OOW ? Maybe Not !!
    margie
    7th Sep 2015
    2:43pm
    Perhaps Jen you need to call the sister a liar, where exactly did you find your info and why do you believe you are the one that has the truth? I won't sink to your level and call you names whether or not they are 'fact'. I find it sad that you want everyone to think like you do and there is no room for any deviation, 'think what you want as long as it's what you think'. There are a number of people that have obviously seen the reports (plural) that I have seen but you don't want to know, wilful blindness.
    Jen
    7th Sep 2015
    2:51pm
    At least I don't have willful stupidity.

    Believe what you wish, it's no skin off my nose. I admit I got a bit irked when I saw this ridiculous story repeated here. I know where it comes from, this willingness to spread malignant stuff. And there's far too much of it in Australia. I don't think it's right to let it pass unchallenged.
    Sceptic
    7th Sep 2015
    3:25pm
    Jen, try his Facebook page with the happy snaps in Turkey.
    mangomick
    7th Sep 2015
    3:35pm
    Good onya Jen. The Australian way is fast disappearing and being replaced with a certain vindictiveness. When you see statements like" they all have 7 or 8 kids or most will just go on the welfare,it kind of shows just how ignorant and vindictive many have become. No doubt the same ones would have said the same about the Italians ,Greeks, Maltese, Asians ,etc. who have come here.
    Jen
    7th Sep 2015
    5:49pm
    Sceptic. Rubbish.

    Absolutely, mangomick.
    Abby
    9th Sep 2015
    6:59am
    I too saw the interview with the father's sister from Canada that margie is refering

    The father had a job and a house in Turkey, where they had lived for 3 years and according to the fathers sister the family wanted to live in Canada but was rejected as a refugee.
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2015
    9:07am
    Margie, I saw the interview with the sister in Canada. Jen and mango want us to believe that only they understand true compassion. They are only political animals arguing Shorten's case.
    fedup
    7th Sep 2015
    10:48am
    Who is going to pay for this? we have enough "refugees" living on welfare, not intergrating,demanding their rights, legal aid etc. what cowards stay and fight for their own country they wouldn't fight for Australia I guarantee they know what photos to take to tug on the heart strings if it was in their country they would not care less.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    2:25pm
    I don't think that is what fedup said ! You sound like Mad Bomber to Me ! ?
    Not Amused
    7th Sep 2015
    11:03am
    Why is Abbott trying to ingratiate us to the rest of the world? We have imported enough trouble - I'd say 50,000 on boats during the former government's time was more than enough. I heard one of the illegals interviewed say they were being grouped into their races, (including) "Indian, Pakistan..." What the hell is the western world doing? We closed our borders to stop people smugglers and the deaths at sea. I hope we are not taking someone else's people smuggled welfare-seeking illegals. Sorry, that little boy's parents should never have taken him on that journey because they were already safe. They were wanting hand-outs. What sort of people are forcing their way into Europe (and previously Australia) - do we really want adults who risk their kids' lives on unseaworthy vessels? Anyway we've got enough Middle Eastern people on welfare here now. Read the statistics about how long they are on welfare. I see them, roaming the parks and gardens, smoking cigarettes, going home to taxpayer funded housing while the rest of us work harder and harder and are expected to pay a "fairer" share of income tax while the Greens Labor mob advocate for refugees and taxing the family home paid for by sweat and tears. No let the rich Middle Eastern countries look after their own tribes and Abbott if you are going to bring them here make damned sure they aren't going to take our hospitality and then start carrying on until they achieve incompatible religious rights. Thank you.
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    11:16am
    We can see for ourselves what uncontrolled immigration has done for Europe, it's an unmitigated disaster. They can't differentiate between economic migrants and genuine asylum seekers so it's become a free for all. Let's hope Abbott stands firm and allows controlled immigration and only gives asylum to genuine refugees, not those who are IS members or those who are choosy about where they want to live and strong enough to push everyone else to the back of the queue.
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    11:21am
    I hope you can sleep well at night - how can you dare to take your eyes off your money and your treasured way of life even for a few minutes - some evil person might come and steal it from you!
    Not Amused
    7th Sep 2015
    11:26am
    Yorkie, I am so upset about this. We took 50,000 a few years ago, and now they are pressing for more. I repeat what I wrote above, thinking it is so important to consider the future, based on the decisions being made in the recent past, and again now:

    Post-WWII refugees were of similar culture, similar religions and similar family values. When they arrived, they were given nothing. They were lucky to get a temporary roof over their heads. There were no hand-outs because they were sent to work wherever work was available. Italian, Greek, Polish wives and girlfriends were not treated like dirt by their men, as we see from the people forcing their cultures and religions into our society today. They were hard-working nation builders who adopted our customs and social ways. Just because immigration worked well after WWII, doesn't mean it is working so well now, or even that it has worked well since the 1970's when we imported Asian gangs with fighting methods totally alien to Australian men whose only form of defence was a fist-fight. As a result we see violence of a type never before thought of: street-knifings, kicking, eye gouging, machete violence, nunchucks. Be careful what we wish for. Times change, and it happens so slowly we do not properly forecast the error of our ways. When all the recent decades' politicians are safely locked up together behind fancy retirement village gates, it's their grand-children who will be left walking the streets with the mess they made of careless, incompatible immigration policies.
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    11:30am
    Yorkie, the only mess in Europe is the financial mess brought about by the greed of the residents in places like Greece. Countries like Germany, who have had "gast arbeiters" (guest workers) for decades are the ones that are doing the best financially and socially. Recent reports are actually suggesting that we would be better off financially if we took in more refugees/migrants. Maybe if we were nicer people as a whole, the people who come here now will happily take on our values and accept our culture. Judging by the selfishness and nastiness demonstrated by some of the commenters here, I can't blame them for not wanting to be like us!
    Pablo
    7th Sep 2015
    11:31am
    Not Amused and Yorkie, I agree with all your comments. We should learn from the uncontrolled fiasco in Europe today and pray that our politicians have the sense to not let it happen here.
    marls
    7th Sep 2015
    2:11pm
    saalbach, worked in the prison its full of them on very serious violent charges. they never identify as aussies even the ones born here, they have no respect for humanity and do not obey our laws. just look at all the violence in Sydney, drive by shootings every day. look at what is happening in western suburbs.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    2:57pm
    I just heard a Bang ! Bugger Me not another one ? :-(
    Rae
    7th Sep 2015
    3:02pm
    saalbach these people will never take on our values no matter how kind and giving we are. The whole concept of bakeesh is alien to us but part of middle eastern mindset. What will happen is the end of our social welfare state. I hope you are prepared to manage on your own because that is where this will all end up I'm afraid. If you need an insight into the cultural mindset please go out and read One Thousand and One Nights.
    robin hood
    7th Sep 2015
    4:31pm
    Not amused love it you are sooo right only one thing it seems to be shorten who wants more not Tony Abbott
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    4:38pm
    No I think Tony is backed into a corner now and doesn't want a Bar of It ?
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    5:48pm
    Well said, Not Amused. And..............we EVEN have our own specially formed and aptly named Middle Eastern Organized Crime Squad. Says a lot about immigration policy - yes?
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    6:49pm
    Yep ! We never had a Garlic Squad or a Zorba Squad or a Pol Pot Roundup Squad !!
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:56pm
    I think that Abbott is after the family home, not Labor. Get it right.
    Nette
    7th Sep 2015
    11:08am
    Our quota is based on our budget, we don't have enough working population to pay for hundreds of thousands of refugees cause it would open the borders to country shoppers
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:54pm
    We cannot sustain out own and borrow money from China to hand out to the rest of the world.
    Methinks that something is very wrong in the vault of the nation.
    Wstaton
    7th Sep 2015
    11:11am
    To me this government is doing the same as they are doing in the financial area.

    Taking from Peter to pay Paul
    EELS
    8th Sep 2015
    10:30am
    What do you mean?
    BElle
    7th Sep 2015
    11:21am
    Totally inadequate response from Abbott and Co. Jordan has a population of just 8 million and has taken in 600,000 refugees. Sure they are not living in comfortable surroundings but they are relatively safe. I wonder if Mr. Abbott has seen the view taken from a refugees apartment of his surrounding town - or more the point what little is left of it --? Where is this governments humanity. The increase they are talking about does not even come into practice for a couple of years. The Crisis Is Now.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:52pm
    Send the rest of Quatar and Saudi Arabia. What? They will not take them? Horrible people!
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    9:55am
    Your looking at the results of a Religious Cult gone Bonkers !! World Domination and they Don't Care how they do it !! Look at the Brain washed Clowns they have already Imported here !!:-( :-(
    melodyone
    7th Sep 2015
    11:22am
    The white people of South Africa are suffering, the black people are killing them and they have no work, the black government will not allow them to work. how sad men woman children are all suffering in squatter camps some sleeping on cardboard. they rape shoot stab no value for lives see face book the truth about South Africa.. stop white genocide please open your hearts for these people... they are hard working Christian people....Amen
    iamnotold
    7th Sep 2015
    12:39pm
    No intelligent person would believe all that is posted in a closed group on FaceBook.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:51pm
    Not sure if your post is 100% factual. White people still have the wealth.
    At any rate many white South Africans are now in Australia. Those who stayed are now paying the price for hundres of years of mistreatment of black people. There is sometimes a bit of justice in the world.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    9:49am
    Good one Mick.. Paying for the Sins of their Fathers ?? :-( :-(
    Ted
    7th Sep 2015
    11:25am
    A refugee is a person who has fled his or her own country and cannot return due to fear of persecution, and has been given refugee status. Refugee status is given to applicants by the United Nations or by a third party country, such as Australia.

    A migrant is someone who voluntarily chooses to leave his or her own country and make a new life in another country. Australia has a long history of migration. People have been moving to Australia for work and better opportunities since British colonisation in 1788.

    So the reason I add these definitions which are from roads to refugee site is, if the responses below are correct then this case is one of migration and not refugee as such? Not sure just asking. So if they are not from Syria where are they from? If they were living in Turkey and are from Syria then they are not refugees by the official definition. However having said that from a humanitarian point of view this should not happen. However, if the father did choose to leave a country by choice to go to Canada as has been suggested, then this is in fact country shopping. Now I can't afford to do that so how can they if they have nothing?

    The reason I am saying these things is to also highlight that every case if different and you cannot simply look at a group and go they are refugees. The point is we really don't know why they are in that boat and what circumstances actually led them to that point. If they lived in Turkey for two years what were they fearful of and fleeing from and are afraid to go back to.

    By the by if you do a facebook search there was in fact something like 26 bodies that ended up on that shore, not just the one. Its a tragic situation that, depending on what sources you read, could or could not be avoided. Its very sad for everyone involved regardless of why they got into that boat. I always remember as well in this global day and age that people are not stupid and have access to the media. There will always be those who take advantage of even the most dreadful situation and it does backfire.
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    11:43am
    I agree with you and interestingly many of these 'refugees' refused to apply for refugee status in Hungary because they wanted to settle in other parts of Europe and in fact demanded to be taken to Austria and Germany, which caused the fracas in the train station in Hungary. This is why I think they are behaving more like economic migrants than asylum seekers.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:42pm
    Readers of this post need to read the above. There is a difference.
    mercman
    7th Sep 2015
    11:27am
    The Government should be limiting the Syrian refugees to Christians only. This is not discriminatory.
    Read the article by Paul Sheehan in the online SMH today.
    The Christians are in danger of being wiped out or pushed out of the Middle East. They should be given priority by Christian countries because with all the turmoil in the Muslim countries they will never be welcome back when and if things ever settle down.
    There are plenty of Muslim countries who can take the Muslim refugees.
    Read the article for the full details.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    11:45am
    I've read that and plenty of others. I don't take one persons opinion I read a lot and make My own mind up with a balance of all !! I wont be Brain Washed or Politically Corrected like they are doing to the School Children today. They are turning them into Yes Sir No Sirs With absolutely no mind nor thought of their own !! :-( Take notice !! They are nothing like We were,We were Not Dumbed Down.
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    12:19pm
    So where does that put those of us Australians who choose not to be Christian because of the horrible things done in the name of that religion? Maybe we would be better off without even the Christian refugees. After all, we are Christian in name only - the majority of us no longer claim to be so. Let's take them a representative basis - a certain number of Buddhists, some Hindis, some Muslims, some Lutherans, a couple of Anglicans, a handful of agnostics, and add a dash of atheists. We need to keep our perfect balance right!
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:40pm
    A good solution mercman. If nothing else your suggestions supports social cohesion. The current mixing does little other than promote civil war in the next 200 years.
    BElle
    7th Sep 2015
    11:28am
    We should be talking "refugees" not migrants. We need to observe the UNHCR conventions and take only those who are truly refugees. There are plenty of them. Migrants can and should be returned from whence they came. The refugee crisis is severe in itself, we do not need the added problems of illegal migrants. We need to find a way for ensuring the right people get the help they need. No one wants to leave the country of birth by force and unbearable circumstances and they would probably return if the situation became tolerable.
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    11:52am
    For every one of this current group that are demanding to be given asylum and resettled in Europe there are hundreds of thousands who have sat in UNHCR camps around the globe for years. I think THEY should be rehomed first and the others should go to the back of the queue. Just because you can afford to pay a people smuggler or because you are young and fit, doesn't give you the right to push in front of everyone else.
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    12:30pm
    Thank you for the change of heart, Yorkie. Good to see you now wanting to help those less fortunate, even if it does cost us as a country. If we all express the view that there are people who need help, then maybe our Govt might start doing the right thing.
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    1:20pm
    I've had that view from the beginning of this debate Saalbach, if only you would read my comments properly. My beef with this current wave of refugees is that the genuine ones in UNHCR camps around the world are being pushed back because of them. I do suspect there are many opportunists amongst them that are jumping on the bandwagon in order to circumnavigate the immigration procedures hoping they end up in their desired destination, with all the benefits that come with it. I am happy to help the less fortunate, but not the charlatans.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:38pm
    Belle: are these the ones who throw their passports overboard? Or are they the ones who demand to come to Australia, not New Zealand? Or Germany, not Poland?
    nena
    7th Sep 2015
    11:30am
    Just one only right solution for everyone and for ever...stop breeding and in less than one generation time the world would great. Yes, to everyone: STOP BREEDING, please.
    Not Amused
    7th Sep 2015
    11:58am
    You got it nena. When is enough people enough? 7.5 billion now, 9 billion by 2050, then all of a sudden when it's 12 billion, oh we have too many people to feed, so there's catastrophic global war. The best aid to give to countries that insist on over-populating is shiploads of condoms and plenty of qualified medical people to perform vasectomies. We are seeing the do-gooders worrying about how to use Australia as a food-bowl (and shelter) for the over-populated in-fighting rest of the world hundreds of thousands of miles from our responsibility. Stop breeding now because it will have to stop sometime so what better time than now.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    12:07pm
    I do partly agree with both Yorkie and Neena, may be we should only allow non Muslim refugees into our country and also maybe they should agree that they will limit the no of children the have, so many seem to have 6, 7 or more and we cannot sustain people having this many children in todays' political and world climate, so many wars and unrest who would want to bring heaps of children into this world?.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    12:39pm
    Misty That does not need an Answer !!
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    1:28pm
    I was waiting for that word to Pop Up ! :-) :-) Or run out from under the Fridge !! :-) :-)
    migmag
    7th Sep 2015
    2:47pm
    You nena, Misty and Trood wouldn't be here unless your parents had BRED too.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    6:00pm
    There was no such thing as Birth Control in those days migmag, only abstaining, in this day and age and living in war torn countries it is criminal to keep bring children into the world under those circumstances.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:36pm
    nena: not a bad solution. Would help with climate change too.
    nena
    8th Sep 2015
    11:53am
    migmah, and that would have been a good thing!!!
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    11:33am
    The Little Boy on the Beach was a Staged Production for the Goody Two Shoes of the World !!No Joke !! And it worked a treat !! I'm not Inhumane but I wont be taken in by that Islamic Takiyya !!
    Previous Immigrants were wonderful and Made no demands on the Population to change Anything,They were greatful to have a New Home ! And worked to make it even Better !!
    Pablo
    7th Sep 2015
    11:58am
    That's the difference between then and now. These people say they are "escaping" persecution but they come here and will not assimilate and then try and turn our country into the one they "escaped" from. Previous migrants to our great country have always assimilated and accepted our way of life and anyone coming here now should be forced to do the same or leave!
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    12:16pm
    I've worked with Poles, Germans, Italian, Greeks and many others ! And not one of them mentioned Religion or said Convert to Fairyland or I'll chop Your Head Off !! :-(
    They didn't demand the Mark of Satin be put on all our Food and anything else they could Extort some Jizra from !! Don't let me go on ! They are Very Dangerous CULT !! And the person above had it in a Nutshell! Most of them are only Men,fleeing the terror of the Poohouse they fled, They left their Wives Yes Wives and children behind in the Terror of it all ?? Yeah Right !!
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    12:46pm
    keep going on parti, you are so right !!!
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    2:14pm
    That Merkel,Cameron and Obomba are all Mad ! And at least Tony Abbott is having a bit of a think about it ??

    7th Sep 2015
    11:35am
    To me it's a Muslim invasion from the jihad hotspots of Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq. They do not want to stay in Greece, Macedonia and Serbia because their primary targets are Germany, France and Britain. These countries have great welfare systems to bleed from.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    12:36pm
    Go and have a look on Twitter and see how many people Wouldn't take The Wooden Horse Of Troy within their Gates !! :-(
    marls
    7th Sep 2015
    2:00pm
    spot on Jackie. and my family in Germany stated "you cannot save us" its out of control they do not have heaps of work and going well. over there its full of violence from theses people like the rest of europe
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:35pm
    Yes welfare. Easy money. No work.
    Same as our own 'refugees' not wanting to go to New Zealand and demanding to be taken to Australia. The do gooders need to take off the rose coloured glasses and have more empathy for our own downtrodden people.
    Anonymous
    10th Sep 2015
    9:35pm
    I realise some will think this is absolutely false information so you can choose whether you believe it or not...I dont care one iota.

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/migrant-crisis-pakistanis-others-dumping-ids-to-become-syrian-20150906-gjggcn.html
    greatgolly
    7th Sep 2015
    11:37am
    We all miss the bigger picture, the boat people brought with them everything they are supposedly trying to escape from in the first place, their hate, their wars, their need to dominate the world with Islam!

    If, and I say if, if there were a war in Australia, would we run to another country, of course no, we would stay and fight to keep what has been our right, our country and our land for years; Isis are clever, so clever, they know what they are doing and the world is blind, they are spreading Islam to every country in the world, to breed Christianity out and make Islam great!

    Considering the small population of Islamics we have in Australia, they have already won and beaten us; Christianity is out of schools, and I'm surprised our schools are not already flying the Islamic flag and come to think of it, there has already been mention by some in the community to have the Union Jack replaced with the flag of Islam, me personally, it should be replaced with the Aboriginal flag, don't you?

    All in all, we have already been forced into eating Halal food to please the minority Muslim community, and what about the students in a private school taking down the Islamic flag and putting the Australian flag back up the mast, only to be expelled for honouring the Australian flag! As I said in the beginning, how blind we are; could we go to an Islamic country and preach Christianity? Could we fly the Australian flag outside our home? Could loving couples hold hands or hug and kiss their children without persecution? Answers to all them and more is, NO, NO, NO!

    I am not RACIST as Islam is not a race, it's a religion and a regime and from it is spawned such as Isis!
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    12:13pm
    Not sure I would defend this country, given the number of bigots we appear to have. Perhaps you need to look at Malaysia, a country that is Islamic (and a mixture of other religions including Christianity). You would be hard pressed to find a better natured people so I don't think it is just religion that's the problem. They could probably look at Christianity and find lots of things that aren't so nice (remember the Spanish Inquisition?). Not sure where you live, but I haven't been forced to eat Halal food - did it poison you?
    Sen.Cit.90
    7th Sep 2015
    12:29pm
    Greatgolly;
    You have it in a nutshell. Australia MUST be selective in it's intake. When I see on TV all the young healthy looking men swarming in EU, Islam will eventually have a ready army to take over destroying Christianity.
    marls
    7th Sep 2015
    2:15pm
    greatgolly... spot on with your comment and is halal the mark of the beast
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    2:35pm
    And there's My Point ! It didn't Poison us ! Nothing has changed ! Only a Fund Raising Extortion Demand placed on it ?? :-(
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:33pm
    Saalbach: have a closer look at Malaysia. The 100 ruling (Islamic) families control and own everything. Other religions are highly controlled as well. What you see is not what you get.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2015
    9:09pm
    Our Lady In KL says that many Muslims are telling her, of Chinese extraction, that the country is theirs and she should leave. Her grandfather flew his own Tiger Moth on recon for the British in 1942, then island-hopped in itto Australia to join the RAAF, and then the RAF.

    A book has been written about him and his fellows in the flying club.

    Just saying - I believe his grand-daughter has the right to live in the country of her birth.
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2015
    9:40am
    It was the Hawke government which introduced Halal Certification in Australia to appease the Malaysians. But I think these days most of the money goes to the Indonesians and Saudis.
    Anonymous
    10th Sep 2015
    9:30pm
    Saalbach, he leader of the Opposition Party in Malaysia would not agree at all with your comment about how great it is in Malaysia.

    Anwar Ibrahim has been jailed twice on trumped up charges of sodomy. The judiciary are told what to do by those in power.
    Adrianus
    11th Sep 2015
    8:03am
    Saalbach you don't even know that you are eating halal certified food. That is the problem.
    World Prophet
    7th Sep 2015
    11:44am
    This is a very emotive subject, isn't it. It has been said that Australia has one of the highest refugee resettlement rates per capita, and depending on the words and definitions used, it is close to the facts or way off. It should be remembered, however, that a high intake brings some significant problems. There has to be financial and social support in place, jobs have to found for those of working age (often made difficult by language issues), education and health services need to be provided as has housing. Then, in addition to the cost associated with resettlement, there are significant cultural issues that can come into play, and there is no point in sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that these won't occur. Sweden, for instance, has the highest rate of refugee settlement of all the EU nations, and has had for a number of years. However, the crime rate has sky-rocketed over that time and, for example, it now has one of the highest rape rate in the world (In April 2009, it was reported that sex crimes had increased by 58% over the previous ten years). Some areas in Stockholm are now virtual 'no-go' areas for the emergency services. Personally I think that the Australian government is wise in adopting a very conservative approach in this issue. Unlike the images and information put out by the media, most 'refugees' hitting the shores of Europe are not families, but single men, and they are not fleeing from imminent threat to life, but from imminent poverty. Do we want the same problems over here? You tell me...
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    11:57am
    To add to that Go and have a look what the Rabid Islamists told Sweedlam Yesterday!! :-( :(
    tisme
    7th Sep 2015
    11:48am
    theres another group of refugees ignored yet again. they are the aussies living on the streets refugees from australian society .
    Rae
    7th Sep 2015
    3:16pm
    And a town of mostly First Peoples in the NT who have had their water supply contaminated by a miner which refuses to clean up the mess. The NT government is ignoring the problem.

    Yeoval in NSW also has contaminated water.

    The list of contamination from mining goes on and on and not one company will clean up the pollution destroying farmland and water ways.

    But let's just keep bringing new immigrants in and forget about the next big drought just around the corner.

    The homeless could be catered for easily in community halls if we really wanted to do something about it.
    Supernan
    7th Sep 2015
    11:49am
    Everyone forgets that Australia was not a white country with white values & white culture. We took it over, threw out the Indigenous culture & values, took the land. How do you think the Indigenous felt.

    Are we now so greedy, we cant even think about sharing what we took by force, with those fleeing war, hunger & cruelty just because they are different. Well, if these are our values & our culture, its about time we changed them !
    Batara
    7th Sep 2015
    12:09pm
    Thanks Superman. I was at the stage of cancelling the newsletter from YLC on reading all the heartless greedy self centred comments.
    Makes one ashamed to be an Aussy. What happened to the old country - the home of the fair go?
    phantom
    7th Sep 2015
    12:58pm
    The "originals" didn't pay either, they wondered on 40 thousands years ago. England and Europe were all conquered at some stage as of most countries. What has this to do with this delamer.
    margie
    7th Sep 2015
    2:05pm
    Oh Batara, cancelling your newsletter because people have a differing thought to you, do you go with the theory people can think what they like as long as they agree with me? That does seem like the mantra the so called do gooders believe. What happened to the old country is that we have so called refugees here sitting on the welfare system that is at breaking point with us not being able to care for our elderly and sick. Have a look at the figures that show after 5 years most migrants and refugees are working, all except for the muslims who sit back and expect nay demand we change our ways to suit them, halal is one example with certification costing big dollars and going to islamic mosques and schools (at the very least).This certification is on everything from toilet paper to bottled water and one must ask why when these products are naturally halal and of course we have companies such as Cadbury's who are certified but have removed the logo, wonder how the muslims know it's certified? I know if I was fleeing persecution I would do my level best to fit into the country that had been so generous as to take me and never stop being thankful.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:30pm
    A valid point Supernan. Remember though that times have changes in the past 250 years.
    Maybe it is justified retribution...........but I'd like to focus on future Australians rather than turning the future into a place where a vicious civil war is to be fought. What about you?
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    11:55am
    I feel ashamed to be Australian, Kosovo, one of the poorest countries in the world is taking in 3,000, Germany 80,000, Norway 30,000 and other countries are taking in more too so makes our effort look paltry doesn't it.
    Batara
    7th Sep 2015
    12:13pm
    How can Abbott stand up and say Australia takes more on a per capita basis? Germany 83 million population, Norway 5 million. Of course it is Abbott a chronic liar.
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    12:19pm
    Don't feel ashamed....I read that one of these 'Syrian refugees' was actually from Kosovo and he had torn up his papers and was falsely claiming to be Syrian. It would be Murphy's Law and poetic justice if he ended up back from whence he came.
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    12:37pm
    Yorkie, why did he do that? Don't you think there must be something pretty terrible in his life that he would leave his homeland, all his memories, his relatives and his culture just for the hell of it? Would you? Why have all these "country shoppers" left it until there is war in their country to leave, if they just want to live in a country that has better benefits?
    migmag
    7th Sep 2015
    2:40pm
    Where did you read this Yorkie? we all know that the press always tell the truth don't we? try reading from a variety of places and some decent sources.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    11:55am
    I feel ashamed to be Australian, Kosovo, one of the poorest countries in the world is taking in 3,000, Germany 80,000, Norway 30,000 and other countries are taking in more too so makes our effort look paltry doesn't it.
    Adrianus
    7th Sep 2015
    12:16pm
    Misty, by what standards? How many are going to other Arab nations?
    Saalbach
    7th Sep 2015
    12:41pm
    Where would they go, Frank. Would Iran, Iraq, Yemen or Egypt (to mention a few) be safe? The point is, these European countries have OFFERED to take these people, but we can't find it in our hearts to extend the hand of kindness in case it changes our lives.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    12:43pm
    Frank I just looked at the Chart and Saudi Arabia took 1 Yes ONE !! :-(
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    1:53pm
    They already have relatives in Kosovo that is why it is one of the poorest countries in the world. Wake up to reality Misty
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    2:50pm
    And if Saudi's didn't have OIL they would be eating SANDwitches Too !! :-(
    Peterrj
    7th Sep 2015
    12:06pm
    Misty, 'Ashamed'? We take more refugees per head of population than any other country and have done so for many years. So what's there to be ashamed about???
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    12:13pm
    I think a fact check would give a different answer Peterrj.
    World Prophet
    7th Sep 2015
    12:27pm
    Well actually, Misty, Peterrj is almost right. On the resettling of refugees scale Australia is third in the world. But on refugee intake (different thing altogether, as intake does not mean resettlement) Australia is 69th or 59th (depending which year you look at). Basically if you use different measures you can make us out to good, bad or anywhere in between. Usual story. And Superman, is everyone really naïve enough to think that if the British had not 'taken over' Australia, it would today still be the Terra Nullius it was then? Most likely the indigenous people would be living under Indonesian rule, and no doubt loving it.
    mangomick
    7th Sep 2015
    1:38pm
    Yes Australia has been really good (3rd after USA and Canada) at taking in refugees and shoving them some where else.
    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/fact-and-fiction-with-prime-minister-tony-abbotts-refugee-intake-numbers-20150906-gjgc7q.html
    Peterrj
    7th Sep 2015
    2:31pm
    Sorry Misty, I did did get it wrong I should have said, "According to the Refugee Council of Australia, Australia ranked second in 2012 for resettlement of refugees per capita, while in absolute terms it came second behind the US and Canada.". Do you still feel ashamed????
    mangomick
    7th Sep 2015
    3:23pm
    According to the Refugee Council of Australia, Australia is not the world's most generous country when it comes to accepting refugees. It does not even rank in the top 20 countries.
    It did come in third behind USA and Canada for resettlement of refugees per capita though.
    Resettlement programs only provide places for a miniscule proportion of the global population of refugees. According to the UNHCR, in 2012 less than one per cent of the world's refugees were officially 're-settled'.
    Of course we may not be in this mess if Howard hadn't followed Bush into Iraq. While Hussein may have been a dictator at least the region was relatively stable.
    Peterrj
    7th Sep 2015
    4:08pm
    I thought that these were Syrian refugees??? And doesn't Syria have a leader from the Hussein school of thought?? Of course, I forgot, it's all Howard's fault as you suggest!
    mangomick
    7th Sep 2015
    4:56pm
    It's pretty clear that ISIL wouldn't have formed if all the turmoil hadn't happened. Saddam Hussein at least was holding the Country together.We and the USA butted in without fully understanding centuries of hatred between Sunni and Shiite Muslims. Now we have allowed ISIL to spring out of the flames and get the power and support that they have. Why do you think the USA has now beaten down the door to get Iran on side?
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:26pm
    Yes mango. And Assad is similar. Now there is an even more brutal regime than under Assad.
    Action/reaction.
    The story may be to STAY OUT OF INTERNAL POLITICS.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    11:14pm
    Mangomick that is not the number Tim Costello quoted on 7.30 Report tonight.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    10:37am
    When Timmy Throws his Bank Book in the Refugee Donations Box I'll donate 2 Bucks Meself !! :-(
    phantom
    7th Sep 2015
    12:16pm
    Intergration by Muslims has always been hard. Their are a lot of radicals that try to implement "Sharia Law" no matter where they go. What has happened to the oil rich countries that have the same religion in place already. They don't seem to be helping. We could accept poeple of any race but not be of the Muslim faith and things would be more peacefull. Call me a racist but this religion isn't peacefull and they do not consider women as equals.
    marls
    7th Sep 2015
    2:12pm
    so so true
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    2:22pm
    Totally agree.
    Peterrj
    7th Sep 2015
    2:28pm
    Sorry Phantom, I can't agree: "Their are a lot of radicals that try to implement "Sharia Law" no matter where they go.". All Good and Devout Muslims, not just the so called radical ones, support Sharia Law. You can't say Islam without including Sharia Law! And it is a religion of peace, just don't oppose it and you are fine!
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:23pm
    A religion of peace? Really? Tell that to all of the people ISIS have slaughtered.
    Whilst many practitioners are peaceful the reality is that religion and politics are one and that Muslims have the intention of replacing all non Muslim religions with their own. No co-existence. No acceptance of other religions.
    Were the numbers of Islamic folk in Australia much higher then we would be facing civil war. Currently this part of our population is civil and benign for one reason alone: it knows that it cannot force change....but it still tries.
    MILA
    7th Sep 2015
    12:22pm
    Genuine refugees ....specially families with kids and more....who got the right attitude and, are prepared to fit into the Austraian culture are and should be welcomed. On the other hand: those who refuse to have their finger-prints taken - and, expect to live in any of our main cities and take take take....while complaining about whatever.....whathave you: well, they certainly should not be taken into consideration.- Today , in Australia more $$$$$ is "given" and "spent" with so called refugees than their own Australian people, including seniors. Charity always must beging at home.
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    2:44pm
    Having read your first sentence, Mila, those criteria would permit VERY FEW to LEGALLY enter Australia on refugee status. Most of them salute Australia with two upturned palms.
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    8:33pm
    One of my great forward-thinking ideas was the creation of the Great Australian Infrastructure Advance (the GAIA) in the Pilbara Region, close to the ores, the North shelf gas, and in an area where wind and sun can generate masses of power. Industrial citystate with less pollution and an opportunity to generate wealth and infrastructure for Australia.

    The place of refugees would be in a job, learning a skill or trade while being assessed for eventual solid integration int Oz society... and if they fail the test, they can always go elsewhere with a marketable skill. Win-win for all.

    But I'm a dreamer.....
    Fready
    7th Sep 2015
    12:27pm
    The war in Syria is principally between two groups of Muslims. The flood into Europe is the Islamization of Europe without a war. Most are looking for countries with generous social security systems. You will note that no Muslim country is offering to take their brothers.
    If we bring thousands to Australia we will in due course have the same problems here as they have in Syria.
    MILA
    7th Sep 2015
    12:37pm
    You said it right Fready: they all wish to go and stay in first world countries with LOTS OF SOCIAL BENEFITS. They are not heading to their own kind: Arab countries...so, we are facing an INVASION: LOUD AND CLEAR. The end of European culture is very tangible........: they expect plenty from those countries . Have they tried to get into Russia? China? - of course not for many obvious reasons. Stop
    PatrickRM
    7th Sep 2015
    12:38pm
    Is that so. What about Jordan and Turkey, they 're Islamic countries and have taken in hundreds of thousands, if not millions of refugees.

    If Bush, Blair and Howard had not led the invasion of Iraq, leading eventually to the rumise of IS, we probably would not have this situation now.
    World Prophet
    7th Sep 2015
    12:56pm
    Don't be silly. Jordan and Turkey are neighbouring countries, and are first port of call. You can't seriously compare a population movement over a border into an adjoining country with an intake of people by distant countries. In 2013 Saudi Arabia resettled 559 refugees, compared with Australia over 34,000. A little on the light side, perhaps? Even Israel took in over 48,000! Look at http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG for all the data.
    Kaz
    7th Sep 2015
    12:56pm
    True Patrick, with Saddam it was a case of the devil you know - and the west were advised to plan the post invasion more carefully for the people, but didn't and now...
    Peterrj
    7th Sep 2015
    2:51pm
    "The war in Syria is principally between two groups of Muslims.". What, only two??? First we has bad Assard and the people revolted ie The Kurds. Actually the Kurds have been fighting Iraq, Turkey and Assard for ages but they only started in full swing when other rebel groups in Syria also started to revolt against Assard. Then along came IS. They wanted to set up Allah's land On Earth where 'true' Islam is followed aka the Caliphate. Trouble is Assard wouldn't give his land for IS to rule over ... So they started fighting. Now if there is one thing worse than an infidel it's an apostate ie. Those who have heard the world of Alah but misapply His teachings. In the eyes of IS, if you don't support IS and you are Muslim then you are an apostate and must be eliminated. Hence IS started cleansing the land and attacked the Kurds. Ummm, the Kurds did not expect that, Ouch. So Asaard bombed the Kurds and were being even more throughly beaten by IS. The Kurds sought help from their traditional enemy, Turkey. And Turkey looked on. The Kurds then attacked Turkey once more, but without any real impact upon Turkey except giving the Turks more reasons not to assist the Kurds. The Kurds are now on a hiding to nothing. Pity they revolted when they did or they could still live at home. Pity they did not support their own Govt to ward off IS. So what choice do the Kurds now have ..... Go to Germany is about their last option as they are not wanted by many (any?) other Islamic States? Wonder why that is???
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:17pm
    That about summarises it Fready. Good post.
    Kaz
    7th Sep 2015
    12:46pm
    It's hard to comment as I don't have the answer, not even a suggestion other than the country of origin must be held accountable, which is impossible to do!
    How does the world answer these cries as they increase and as every country's resources are stretched?
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    1:24pm
    And that's the Big Plan !!
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:16pm
    The reality Kaz is that every country needs to do the best it can for itself. I do not agree with citizens of one country allowing bad regimes to take power and ruin their own nest......and then the population picking up stakes and moving on.
    Magooleigh
    7th Sep 2015
    12:49pm
    I think 4500 is a pathetic token effort. I am so ashamed to be Australian at the moment and most of these comments confirm this. We seem to have become self centered and totally lacking in any compassion and generosity. Germany take on 800,000 and we offer 4500 what a joke. Please Australia find your humanity.
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    1:54pm
    Google The Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan and I think you will find Merkel, Juncker and the NWO had this mass immigration planned for decades. It makes interesting reading.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:14pm
    I would like to see our nation think about FUTURE AUSTRALIANS first. I cannot support bringing in people who have ruined their own nest and now want to come to a new nest.
    This is not lack of empathy. It is the protection of future Australians in a country which is struggling with much worse to come.
    EELS
    8th Sep 2015
    10:56am
    Why is the overriding comment by so called 'humanitarians' always to be 'ashamed to be Australian". I think we have a darn lot to be proud of to be Australians and it is an insult to all those good and brave people that made this country what it is. We cant fix the world but we are doing plenty considering our small population.
    Midgie
    7th Sep 2015
    12:52pm
    We should definitely take more refugees. New Australians contribute enormously to our country. Terrible to be on the sidelines, behaving as un-charitably as Hungary, just because we're on the other side of the world. Quick processing is essential, so that refugees don't resort to paying smugglers to get them here by boat.
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    3:18pm
    These particular refugees refused to be registered in Hungary which is why they demanded to leave the country and head for Austria and Germany. Most of them had already paid people smugglers to travel in boats from Turkey to Greece and then on to other mainland European countries. It would appear they are picky about where they want to live.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:10pm
    I am needing to question how many of our Middle Eastern immigrants contribute to the nation. A few do. And then others never work, rob businesses, are involved in crime and are happy to break down the rule of law?
    You need to look at the nationalities of those who you mention. Not all nationalities are the same.
    mangomick
    7th Sep 2015
    12:53pm
    I see a Billionaire wants to buy an island. Hope Tony don't hear about it otherwise he might offer up Tasmania and throw in Jacqui Lambie to sweeten the deal.
    I think Abbott statement is just smoke and mirrors to fool the public with his plan to take more Syrians while not actually increasing total refugee intake numbers. Anyone with an ounce of human sympathy in their bones know Abbott is trying to pull the wool over their eyes, and is just trying to buy a few more votes. Abbotts real plan is "bomb the hell out of Syria and that will give everyone some where to go back to. And this man had a Christian upbringing??? No wonder I barrack for the Lions.

    7th Sep 2015
    12:55pm
    All Abbott should do is send over a few dollars, don't let the muslim hordes into Australia, we have enough already!
    mangomick
    7th Sep 2015
    1:28pm
    Abbott is going to need all the help he can get to win the next election. Any help at all. Maybe when he realises that he'll want to turn those boats back around. Either that or start telling every one they are throwing children overboard. It worked last time for Howard.
    Crashbang
    7th Sep 2015
    1:30pm
    too true..
    If we keep opening our door we will end up with the turmoil as in Europe. FIX THIS Countries ISSUES FIRST.
    The money grabbers take 90cent in every $$ that gets given to Aid.
    mangomick
    7th Sep 2015
    2:49pm
    I was actually meaning that by increasing his import of Syrian refugees he will be able to offer them a home in exchange for their vote. Why else his refugee turnaround. There are so many Aussies sick of his leadership he is going to have to look to overseas refugees for electoral help. In actual fact though he isn't being humanitarian at all because the refugee intake numbers aren't actually increasing. It's just smoke and mirrors to try to buy more votes.

    7th Sep 2015
    12:58pm
    Take these NOW RIOTING refugees and the country will go down the toilet EVEN FASTER. Don't fool yourself!
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    1:04pm
    Well I'm not fooled Fast Eddie !! But I think the only thing that needs expanding is Tony's Brain !! :-(
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    1:07pm
    I don't think He knows what to do first ?? Bomb or Recue ?? Its a Barsted when You Paint Yourself into a Corner !! :-(
    Paulodapotter
    7th Sep 2015
    1:28pm
    I note Fast Eddie bases his attitude on proven facts. A real intellectual. You should be leading this country Eddie. Just leave off "Don't" in your last sentence and you've got it right!
    Bes
    7th Sep 2015
    1:01pm
    World’s wealthiest nations, filthy rich Arabs, are doing next to nothing for Syria’s refugees. As Amnesty International recently pointed out, the "six Gulf countries -- Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain -- have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees."
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:07pm
    So why do these refugees not go to these countries?
    EELS
    8th Sep 2015
    10:59am
    No welfare to entice them.
    phantom
    7th Sep 2015
    1:05pm
    Shorten loves this. He gets to cry and say we want to bring all these people into Australia and blame Abbott. Our wellfare bill is through the roof and a fair percentage are previous refugees we have taken in. Greeks and Italians that migrated after the war intergrated with out culture and did something most don't do now. WORK.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:06pm
    That was Greeks and Italians. From a Christian country. Not Islamic backgrounds.
    If you cannot see the problem then have a look at 150 (?) young men from Islamic backgrounds who went to fight in the Middle East. Then have a look at beheadings in the first world. Paints a picture. You need to take note.
    EELS
    8th Sep 2015
    11:03am
    Shorten was so compassionate that he didn't even take enough notice in his briefing to remember that the little 'girl' on the beach was in fact a boy.
    Jurassicgeek
    7th Sep 2015
    1:27pm
    we have 100.000 homeless australians that our crappy govt cant look after and he wants to bring in more...Shorten,Abbcess, dogooders and greens go crawl back into your comfortable office and do the jobs you were elected to do ...look after Australians!!! No more immigrants,asylum seekers, refugees...whatever the current trendy name them is ....until we can support our own people
    Paulodapotter
    7th Sep 2015
    1:29pm
    OMG! We continue to breed 'em. Yobbo central!
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    1:30pm
    Stealth Troops !!
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:03pm
    All sides of politics tarred with the same brush. To be repetitive: vote for a good Independent and end the game.
    Ge
    7th Sep 2015
    1:33pm
    As our PM said we will be taking refugees from the persecuted minorities .
    How many of the Christian minority from Africa or the middle east are we taking?
    Thousands have been burnt alive in their churches,ten of thousands have been displaced.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    1:45pm
    Decapitated, Crucified Raped and Tortured !! By the "Religion of Peace" for the advancement of Islam !! :-( :-(
    Paulodapotter
    7th Sep 2015
    5:52pm
    Up the crucades. Once more into the breach, dear friends.!

    7th Sep 2015
    1:42pm
    Interesting...but no surprising at all.

    http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/refugee-crisis-in-europe-something-fishy-among-migrant-flood-as-discarded-id-papers-appear/story-fnh81p7g-1227515922792
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    1:49pm
    Girl Raped in Budapest! :-(
    They threw away food and water offered to them ! :-(
    How many You want Tones ? :-( :-(
    marls
    7th Sep 2015
    2:03pm
    the current situation is one world government bible prophecy. the antichrist is on the rise and will take control of all of Europe. the mark of the beast also is rampant now (halal) as it states in the bible we cannot buy or sell without the mark. that is the current situation in aust. and most people buying these certified products are supporting islam and world control and the building and educating islam. wake up Australia before its to late
    Paulodapotter
    7th Sep 2015
    5:58pm
    Yeh the devil's back! Reds under the bed once more, all wearing their pointy tails. We'll all be rooned, said Hanrahan.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    10:01pm
    Careful about trying to interpret Revelations marls. Remember that the coming of Jesus was expected. What was not expected was the manner in which he arrived.
    don
    7th Sep 2015
    2:05pm
    Have a look at this u tube video a lot of truth in it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=LPjzfGChGlE&feature=player_embedded
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    6:41pm
    Google... Muslims threaten Sweden ..
    Carol
    7th Sep 2015
    2:10pm
    I was reading that this is Isis' way of infiltrating Europe with some of their own posing as refugees. As there will be no checks done with all the numbers pouring through, who is to know what is coming over their borders.
    migmag
    7th Sep 2015
    2:44pm
    Read from more reliable and better places, how would they know this? is the editor on the frontline getting information from ISIS?
    Paulodapotter
    7th Sep 2015
    6:00pm
    Oh boyoboyoboy! Can't wait for all those ISIS guys coming in carrying kids disquised as guns - bazooka boys and gatling girls.
    Anonymous
    10th Sep 2015
    5:29pm
    Hubby was just watching ABC news. His attention was caught by one of the "refugees" who was doing his best to hide his face from the camera. I must watch the main ABC news tonight to see if they replay the clip.
    migmag
    7th Sep 2015
    2:14pm
    Germany welcomes the refugees with help and good wishes (mostly) - Tony Abbott they say won the election because of his hard line on turning back the boats.

    The Abbott government keep saying we should become more involved in the war by sending more ground people. Every action has CONSEQUENCES - even kids know this! refugees are one of those consequences.
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    2:25pm
    As we all know we should not have gone into Iraq.
    Both Labor and Liberal went along with the USA...both equally to blame.
    However, that is past history...it cannot be undone...we have to move on.
    Caution MUST be taken in how many refugees we bring in and from where they come.

    I am just glad I will not be alive in 30 years' time as all the chickens will be coming home or will have come home to roost.
    migmag
    7th Sep 2015
    2:29pm
    Well, a big mistake then. It might be past history and you might want to move on, unfortunately thousands of people who were affected cannot.
    Paulodapotter
    7th Sep 2015
    6:02pm
    Right on, Migmag!
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:57pm
    Meddling in the affairs of other countries does have consequences.
    Anonymous
    11th Sep 2015
    7:38am
    You have missed my point...I was referring to "not being able to change history..referring to going into Iraq being a mistake"...moving on from that...
    step
    7th Sep 2015
    2:27pm
    where are the wealthiest counties in the world to assist these people fleeing their country.
    Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Emirate States Iran, these counties are a stones throw"" from Iraq
    Why don't they look after their own, regardless of religion base
    migmag
    7th Sep 2015
    2:38pm
    The countries you mention are all different and the people fleeing are from different cultures and countries so where is the logic in saying they should look after their own? Look up which are the wealthiest countries in the world on the internet.
    Yorkie
    7th Sep 2015
    3:32pm
    The wealthiest countries that you refer to are in the main Islamic countries, so it is disappointing that they have not offered hospitality to their Muslim brothers and sisters. It seems they are happy for Europe to take the lions share. On an earlier point that you made, It is well documented that ISIS said they would send 500,000 of their members into Europe. I think it is quite understandable that people are concerned.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:56pm
    Try claiming you are a refugee and getting into these countries. These people know better than to try and force their way into these countries.
    Adrianus
    11th Sep 2015
    8:52am
    Could it be that neighbouring Arab nations are not accepting these "refugees" for a reason known only to them? Saudis donated $18m which is just small change to them and a days worth of halal taxes on your supermarket shop. There are 500,000 Syrians living in Saudi but they don't call them refugees.
    Russia apparently has troops on the ground in Syria supporting Asaad. This has the potential to get out of hand.
    Anonymous
    11th Sep 2015
    8:31pm
    Yes Frank Russia is indeed a worry supporting Assaad.
    floss
    7th Sep 2015
    2:47pm
    Perhaps take the family groups the single males should stay in their own country and help sort it out.In the past the only group the cause problems as refugees are Moslems.

    7th Sep 2015
    2:57pm
    My relatives fought in the first and second world wars and died for our country and its people. So SGW and Saalbach take a look at our history, yes immigrants did their fair part in building our country back but that is because so many Ozzies died in the two world wars. At least the Greeks Italians Vietnamese worked hard this lot from the middle east dont want to work just want to take hand outs. Wake up everyone before it is too late.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    3:13pm
    I think its already too late ? The word is swamped with Hoons on a Mission ! :-(
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:54pm
    Unfortunately the public has been conned by the do gooders who build the story but leave out most of the facts.
    Missskinnylegs
    7th Sep 2015
    3:11pm
    I support real refugees not economic ones. And even though we are a big country we just dont have the resources or the money to support then all. We have too many homeless and below the poverty line to look after. All new refugees get housing over and above those who have contributed to Australia - is this mean of me? You bet as I am not into handouts for those that know how to work the system. I think we have done enough, let them sort out their own issues at home first.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    3:34pm
    No Your not Mean ! Where's the Housing ?? I know AUSTRALIANS that have been on a Waiting List for a House for Years !! I might tell them to jump out of a boat at Kernel and jump up and down Yelling "Refugee" !! :-)
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    4:16pm
    No, legs, it is not mean of you, it is the sensible approach. Charity starts at home.
    Brels
    7th Sep 2015
    3:21pm
    All countries taking in these Muslim refugees should be looking at how these Muslims are going to change our cultures - they are slowly but surely infiltrating the whole world with their ideals and their attitudes towards Christians - we have to start putting a stop to this happening.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    3:41pm
    I heard over the weekend a lot of Europeans are worried that taking in all these refugees will change their countries too, genuine concern, maybe they should just be given temporary asylum until their own countries are safe to go back to.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:52pm
    Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

    7th Sep 2015
    3:33pm
    To open Australia's doors to the type of lowlife "refugee" you now see rubbishing their way through Europe with absolutely no respect for the law, authority, other peoples' rights, or even their own families would be like opening the gates of a cesspool.
    Auction Girl
    7th Sep 2015
    4:25pm
    Well said Fast Eddie. Ir IS a cesspit. I pity Europe and for once I totally support Abbott.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:51pm
    Generalisations can be risky Eddie. But we have all seen the DEMANDS from the immigrants as they will not take no for an answer.
    bebby
    7th Sep 2015
    3:38pm
    I can't help but think "Stop the World, I Want to Get Off"
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    3:44pm
    At least slow it down and let the next 30,000 catch up in Europe !! :-) What a Mess !! If thats not an Invasion I'm a Martian !!
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:49pm
    I think that Mars is free.
    When you deal with people over a lifetime you can be forgiven at times for wanting to live on a desert island.
    China
    7th Sep 2015
    3:41pm
    Anyone who doubts that the issue of allowing thousands of immigrants ( mainly Muslim } into
    Australia and Western Countries, are contributing to the passiveness that allows the problem to expand. Someone once said that Islam would eventually achieve World domination purely by Immigration. For us who are watching it unfold,we must pay attention to the Medieval fanatics who threaten our way of life, before it is too late.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    3:48pm
    He said with his head in his hands !! :-(
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2015
    4:11pm
    China, you are EVER SO RIGHT! This is a problem the government knows of, but turns a blind eye to for fear of losing votes in the next election, at the country's great peril. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are Muslims. This pathetic pandering to a minority wanting to change our Christian religious beliefs, our prayers and our allegiance to Australia and permitting someone to hide behind a burqa are certainly not positive steps towards having new arrivals assimilate into the Australian way of life. You know it, I know it, and so the majority of Australians, even though they are hesitant to say so, and so does the federal government, but they are too afraid to do anything. It seems to be too late for prevention, only damage control measures are left. God help us!
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:48pm
    I was informed several years ago that the Islamic community in Australia was going to outbreed Australians. That will take a couple of centuries and who knows if it will indeed work as all things change in time.
    EELS
    8th Sep 2015
    11:10am
    Agreed China and Fast Eddie.
    robin hood
    7th Sep 2015
    4:15pm
    Mr Abbott has got it right
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    4:17pm
    WHERE ?
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:46pm
    In front of the mirror methinks. Just ask Frank.
    Auction Girl
    7th Sep 2015
    4:22pm
    For refugees they sure are selective. I draw on the analogy of being afloat in the sea and someone arrives in a dingy to save them but are told to PO as they want a cruise liner to rescue them......
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    4:30pm
    Problem Solved There are a lot of Empty Investment Properties Many Owned by Polly's !! Move 10 of them into each !! Yep !! :-)
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:45pm
    An apt analogy. Can you remember that our own 'refugees' did not want to land in Papua & New Guinea or New Zealand. They wanted Australia.
    And now Germany is the target. Hungary need not apply.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    9:51pm
    Mick Hungary hasn't got a Welfare System !! :-) :-) :-)
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    11:05pm
    Not sure but I know country shopping when I see it. I wish the media would stop dressing this up as the 'poor refugees'. They are starting to sound like Sarah Hanson-Young.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    10:41am
    That's Her !! Dame Dancing Shoes !! :-) :-) They are only there to stay the Distance, Make a BIG Noise, And retire on a Massive Pension for Life !! :-)
    Desiree
    7th Sep 2015
    4:29pm
    It is strange that only the fit young men seems to be fleeing Syria. Have they left their parents, sisters and daughters back in Syria to be slaughtered? What cowards!! What Australian male would leave run off and leave his family to face the enemy.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    4:34pm
    Now Your seeing the BIG Picture !! :-(
    roy
    7th Sep 2015
    6:40pm
    Absolutely right desiree, they are cowards full stop.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:43pm
    Do they not come later? Once the foot is in the door?
    Tank
    7th Sep 2015
    4:53pm
    What do Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey think about our own Australian refugees living in our great country. The people that have worked hard all of their lives, paid their tax and are now in a position of not being able to afford to live a life at all. They can not afford the outrageous rents that are being charged for squalid rooms and buildings. I ask , why is it that we need to do so much for refugees, migrants and any one from another country yet letting our older people live in squalor. As time goes by I see my wife and myself finding it more difficult to cope with our day to day costs, power, rent, car registration, medicines and last but not least basic food items. Food has become the last cost on the list for some people. My question to the government is, how do we older Australians survive when we are having resources cut back and we hear the government giving more and more money and resources to refugees and others.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:42pm
    Only today there was an offer of $100 million for refugees. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. But your post says a lot about looking after our own rather than borrowing money from China and then giving it away in foreign aid. There is something not going right here, but then politicians are not a real bright lot at the best of times.
    battiejl
    7th Sep 2015
    5:08pm
    GOOD ON YOU MR ABBOTT - TELL THEM TO GO BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND FIGHT THEIR OWN BATTLES AND BRING OUR GUYS AND GIRLS HOME

    WE DONT WANT THEM HERE
    BLOODY DO GOODERS GO WITH THEM
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    5:40pm
    Sarah wont like that ! :-) :-)
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:40pm
    The reality is that the people fleeing SHOULD have taken an interest in their own domestic politics so that the bad regimes were not able to take over. So now these people are seeking out prosperity in rich countries. Germany at the top of the list.
    Yes these people do need to fix their own countries, not look for new ones.
    Not Amused
    7th Sep 2015
    5:18pm
    For all the do-gooders who are blind in one eye and obviously don't want to see out of the other:
    Just wait… Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe.
    AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert Jihadists into Europe:-

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    5:38pm
    Well I knew that without having read their announcement ! but apparently our leaders don't read much ? :-(

    7th Sep 2015
    5:41pm
    when I read the comments of the likes of misty" ashamed to be an aussie"
    batara "abbott is a chronic liar"
    saalbach "poor old baby, what about his murderous father, who took his wife and two children on a unnecessary trip, so he could get a cheaper set of teeth,
    migmag, " don't trust the newspapers, trust facebook instead"
    mangomick, yes it is hard to accept that labor got beaten at the last election, but to post comments "they send them somewhere else" is just childish,
    magoleigh, ashamed to be australian, you did not mention the refugee man who put his wife and child on the railway tracks, so he could resume his travels to germany because over there they have a better welfare system by paying people for doing nothing instead of being happy by staying in hungary, bet you magoleigh would not be game enough to do that to his wife and child,
    as for jen, has anybody seen labor mick lately?
    it is oblivious to me that the above contributors would love the same for our country, AUSTRALIA.
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    5:45pm
    I was going to say that earlier ! This is a job for Independent Mick !! :-)
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    6:03pm
    Your comment is not worthy of a reply heeskerk99.
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:37pm
    Here parti. Unbelievable rant. What does it all mean?
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    9:43pm
    I wouldn't have a Clue Mick ? I just got back from another site looking at the lost souls in the Park with Candles WANTING MORE ??
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    11:03pm
    Druggies or down and outers?
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    10:54am
    NO ! Well I Don't Know their Mental Status????? And it was in Melbourne and Sydney and Darwin Etc. They were on about Wanting to Rescue ALL The Muslim "Refugees" in the world and bring them Here !! The Movie Production (Fake) "On The Beach" worked a treat ! ISIS is laughing !!:-) :-) Sucked them all in !! It corresponded nicely with the Trek across Europe !! :-)

    7th Sep 2015
    5:48pm
    mangoleigh, sorry I made a mistake, I meant putting your wife and child on the railway tracks instead of his wife and child
    Paulodapotter
    7th Sep 2015
    6:18pm
    Not a problem, Heemskerk99. There's plenty in this country that would happily put his wife and child on the railway tracks.
    Carol
    7th Sep 2015
    5:50pm
    Migmag you seem to put everyone down who doesn't agree with your outlook on things. You would have to be pretty naive to think that all the so called refugees are honest genuine people who have no affiliation to terrorist groups. Not saying them all by any manner of means but do you not think they should be checked out, and I think that is what Tony Abbot is trying to do by taking the ones from the camps who don't have the big bucks to get on boats for education, dental treatment etc.

    7th Sep 2015
    6:25pm
    I remember the 1964 Tory campaign in Sedgewick UK where their was a unofficial slogan of " if you want a nigger neighbour vote Labour.."
    The Tory candidate romped home .
    I think Labor is opening itself up to a similar campaign Regarding Muslims.
    Whilst in the meantime playing the racist card against China ..
    roy
    7th Sep 2015
    6:39pm
    Every Syrian male over 16 should be militarily trained and then taken back to the Syrian border to fight for their country or is that too simple?

    7th Sep 2015
    6:29pm
    paulodapotter, exactly the comment expected of you, an exact example of the person we don't want in this country and as for misty, it is obliviously to hard for you to argue against the truth
    Paulodapotter
    7th Sep 2015
    8:22pm
    Hahahahahahaha!!!!
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    11:25pm
    Your version of the truth is not everybody's heeskerk99.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2015
    11:27pm
    Sorry heemskerk99 for misspelling your name.

    7th Sep 2015
    6:52pm
    I will admit to being conflicted about this issue. On the one hand, my humanitarian heart say to accept refugees - on the other hand my mind says that despite protestations that Australia is a big country and can take hundreds of thousands or whatever, it really comes down to how much usable land there is here (in terms of pure settlement). On top of that, there remains a concern at the back of my mind over bringing in a massive influx of mainly Muslim people, who will then find it difficult to get on and to assimilate, and may well end up creating a future generation of young (mainly) men who are disenchanted and even polarised against the Promise of Australia that has let them down so badly in terms of work and prosperity.

    Someone described it well - 'a small village in which a local could derive a meagre harvest while holding off his neighbours and waging a constant territory war with outsiders from other social groups'.

    Something to that effect was used to describe Middle Eastern settlements, and one wonders how that would fit in with Australia The Open-Hearted, golden land of opportunity (though this has been cast away for nearly forty years now.

    (Here's something I posted elsewhere):-

    "Why not? We're currently struggling mightily for a small piece of the carcasse of what was once a great country?

    First it was men and women fighting, by government diktat, over the juiciest meats of a society, then it was the political surgeons fighting over which part of that society/economy should be extirpated first and thrown on the rubbish heap at the back of the hospital, then it was the remnants of organised labour fighting with Neo-Socio-Fascism over how much of the remaining stringy meat of the country could be turned into a messy stew, then it was government cannibalising the very public service that saw the gifting of much gold to women from the first engineered conflict, and now we are down to the bare bones of the ordinary person at the bottom struggling to stay afloat under the weight of over fat and over paid politicians and business cronies dragging them down and selling them out to any foreign conglomerate with ready cash with which to line their own pockets.

    This is the final fight - lose this one and there's nothing left but dire poverty for the majority, and an endless struggle to even get a government pension at the end of it.

    Get on your feet, Trooper... we've got work to do.... and this ain't Kansas!"
    particolor
    7th Sep 2015
    7:09pm
    That lot didn't come here to work !
    They came here to get Jizra ( Submission Tax) from their Slaves(us :-()
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:34pm
    Careful Trebor. The do gooder mood going around will crucify you for expressing the facts. I totally agree. It is tough.........but we should not sell out our way of life without a thought about what this may mean for future Australians. Selfish......but sensible methinks.
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2015
    7:59am
    Call me a Jeremiah, but perhaps more of a Cassandra - but I've long predicted that with burgeoning population and reducing essential resources (those things we NEED to sustain life), this planet can not for much longer hold on and continue the way it is going with human population. In that event, all we can hope to do is save our very own..... and with all the massive crises for millions of people throughout this world... the time has (perhaps) come for a form of population or crisis triage.

    There are those we can save with a little help ... there are those we can save with a lot of intervention...... there are those we cannot save.... there are those who can wait for treatment..... well - quadrage, anyway... medicine is a while behind and very conservative...(not being helped by certain lower standards these days, either, BTW - another issue).

    On another forum I've been long advocating that we Shut The Gates in many ways, not just over gas fracking and blatant resource gouging that destroys the land etc. Unfortunately we may have to do so some time soon, rather than continue our death dive into 'parity' with the Third World with its burgeoning billions and its lesser standards and values (not shared by the individual, mind you, but only by their society and their governing class - what's different in reality?).

    Australia, and the US, and Britain, and the ROTCW (Rest Of The Civilised World) needs to heal itself first..... then we can help those we can help, but not at the danger of destroying the fabric of the society that once made us worthwhile, if not great... something already damaged by successive waves of a style of immigrant who didn't really fit here, and came here with grasping peasant values.

    Do we need more of the same - only on a far worse scale?

    Now I sound like a xenophobe.... when I am merely an observer...
    Anonymous
    8th Sep 2015
    8:03am
    Can Australia genuinely accept the equivalent of a Syrian large town dumped in one place, as will almost inevitably happen, if the figure of 30,000 (plus) is allowed and they are settled here in what we all know will become ghettoes?

    I've lived among Muslim communities, and while there is much to admire about some - there is not a lot to admire about many, and in many ways it is a very basic society, and has fallen mightily from its early promise of a glorious scientific and philosophical Nirvana.
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    8:37pm
    The do gooders never want to hear about the problems TREBOR. They prefer to feel good by being kind hearted whilst not listening to the other side. Sadly the lives of their children and grandchildren seem to matter little in all of this. That is where the real conversation should be starting, not the 'poor people' rhetoric. If readers do not understand how toxic Islam is then they must be stupid. It has been playing out for some time and the evidence is fairly clear.
    And just for the record there ARE GOOD MUSLIMS HERE AND EVERYWHERE. Unfortunately there are also the brain dead who are happy to become killers and suicide bombers for their evil (muslim) masters.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    9:56pm
    The Devil is in the Detail :-(
    MICK
    7th Sep 2015
    9:25pm
    The whole issue is a no win for any of the countries currently engaged in this feel good sort of behaviour. After the first wave of refugees (immigrants!) the next will come. And then the next. And so it will go on, just like our own boat people fiasco now past.
    I saw the image of the dead child. Awful. But letting in ever growing numbers is the short path to future poverty as well as the breakdown of social order with people who do not fit. One only needs to look at Islamic folk who are already here and have been demanding their Sharia Law (for themselves), polygamy and more. And that is before anybody looks at the high level of crime, fighting in the Middle East, renouncing our country and much more.
    What is needed with this issue is a bit of thought past tomorrow, not heart strings. Bringing in people from the third world without end is a growth industry and anybody who believes they are doing a good turn miss the point that this is the thin end of the wedge and that these poor unfortunates will quite happily turn this nation into a replica of where they came from. When, not if.
    And before somebody rolls out the 'r' word, no I am not. I just want my descendants to have a good place to live. That is what all Australians should want.
    roy
    7th Sep 2015
    9:40pm
    Hear hear. Make them go and fight to free their country not run away the cowards.
    Paulodapotter
    7th Sep 2015
    11:15pm
    The smell of xenophobic fear from many of these bloggers is worse than the rank stench of their decaying minds and bodies. What's wrong with you lot? Do you really think our way of life is threatened by refugees? I wish I did not have to witness my fellow countrypeople behave with such poor human values.
    Not Amused
    8th Sep 2015
    8:32am
    You speak of poor human values. Did you see the unarguably disgraceful pictures of muslim country shoppers in Macedonia throwing away the food and drinks given to them - because it was not halal certified, it contained too much sugar, insufficient spices to their taste, and not at all to their liking? And still we see men photographed somehow managing to keep their chain smoking cigarette habits alive and well.
    Caring about our own country's social, political and economic destination has to be our first priority. We took 50,000 Centrelink seekers during the last few years. That's approximately 12.5 million taxpayers expected to pay for the long-term welfare of those who refuse to stand up and resolve their own country's problems.
    I'd say it's low values to treat women like dirt. And that's exactly what we are increasingly seeing in towns and cities across Australia.
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    9:09am
    A short sighted comment Paulodapotter. Look at the problems around the planet from Islamic background immigrants and consider the HUGE financial burden we all are paying in a country which already borrows money from China. never a thought for our own and WHY retirees are being squeezed.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    10:27am
    My Turn ...Get A Life ! The Early Immigrants were fine !! But I don't want to have to Buy A Prayer Mat on My meagre Pension !! :-( :-(
    EELS
    8th Sep 2015
    11:22am
    Well said Not Amused.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    4:11pm
    Prayer mat? And the rest. We have paid for the whole mosques.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    4:17pm
    Yeah but your not allowed in !! Secret War Plans !!
    Mags
    8th Sep 2015
    6:05am
    I believe we should not go off half cocked like the greens and labor want....there has to be somewhere to put the refugees when they arrive.....
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    9:06am
    Next door to you. So lets hit you with more taxes to finance this as well.
    You are so short sighted Mags.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    9:19am
    Well I had a careful look around for You for a Nice Muslim Country to send them to !
    I couldn't find one ? So it looks like we are Importing Warmongers !! :-( Indonesia and Malaysia aren't at all interest in welcoming their brothers ?Must be something to do with their Welfare System ??
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    8:39pm
    I believe that Qatar and Saudi Arabia are available. Not too far away either. SO WHY DO 'REFUGEES' NOT GO THERE? Now that is the question!
    Dukki
    8th Sep 2015
    7:13am
    I've been livin gin the middle east for sometime prior to the outbreak of violence , n I particular,y visited Syria Steve real times., during that stint. While I feel for the Syrian people, I have to ask Why why Does not the the other Muslim countries offer to take some mmof their brothers n sisters, is read. Recently that UAE could take most. Of themes silly, and with our any financial burden. Rpt he simple answer is they wont !!!! Why ?? I guess we will never know,

    Therefore if their own kind won't take them why aare we, because we are kind and have the belief that that we must help. But not help in such a way that we create problems for us now and in the future, in this Ce I agree with tTony Abbot, we should be cautious in ho w many w e take me pas history has oroved that they don't assimilate into the community, or should I say o lot don't, and. We could find ourselves with bigger problem,ems in the future,

    Please do get me wrong I be,I've that we should assist the people fleeing but not by opening our gates n letting them flood in.
    Tarabelle
    8th Sep 2015
    7:15am
    TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN FIRST. FEED OUR HUNGRY. GIVE OUR OWN PEOPLE LIVING ON THE STREETS HOUSING. IF YOU CAN FIND IT FOR REFUGEES YOU CAN FIND IT FOR OUR OWN FIRST
    mollie
    8th Sep 2015
    7:42am
    What a preachy article! The drowned boy's family went back home to bury him! So his country sure was a dangerous place to be! His father was "fleeing" what?- to get his teeth fixed! And what you do gooders forget is that Australia is three quarters desert, where are we going to put everyone? And pay for them too. Its not about humanitarianism, its about economics.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    11:03am
    mollie when Chris Bowen was Immigration Minister in the Labor Government and they were building detention centres faster than Wayne Swan was racking up Budget Deficits, he was asked "why don't we increase our refugee intake?" To which he simply replied in a rare moment of honesty "Because we cannot afford to!"
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    8:41pm
    When Peter Costello was GIVING AWAY MONEY (better known as the Baby Bonus) nobody said boo. Certainly not Frank.
    battiejl
    8th Sep 2015
    8:32am
    STAND STRONG MR ABBOTT - TELL ALL THE BLEEDING Hearts to go back with them and fight

    WE DONT WANT THEM HERE

    HELP OUR OWN FIRST
    wally
    8th Sep 2015
    9:19am
    I think that refugee families, Mums, Dads and their children should be given first priority in selection for admission to Australia. By all means, let them seek work in Australia, and not import more unemployed mouths to feed like Labor did. They should also be resettled in Australian country towns that are suffering from population loss to boost rural economy in those areas.

    If Shorten and his union cronies are so worried about the Chinese importing 457 visa workers to take jobs away from union members, maybe the refugees would provide a ready made workforce for the Chinese to employ under the Free Trade agreement.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    9:29am
    What are You talking about You Liberal Goat !! Country towns don't need more Letter Boxes and their are no jobs anyhow ?? And I think Your Free trade level playing Field is at a 45 Degree Angle !! :-( :-( Get Your Geniuses back on the case !
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    8:47pm
    Propaganda wally. A whole pile of troll tripe.
    First thing: Australia does not have jobs. That is the problem. I am surprised you did not roll into a "learn and earn" slogan.
    Second thing: the Liberal government wants the 457 visas as employers can undercut and underpay Australian jobs. Your BS about "union jobs" is the normal LNP crock. Meaningless tripe!
    Last: the Free Trade Agreement with China appears to be a set-up and I'd be willing it is the thin edge of the wedge for a renamed Work Choices. The Chinese are going to bring in their own workers and then Australian business will cry out for LOWER WAGES to compete.
    Your post wally is the normal LNP rubbish. Plenty of statements which do not pass with scrutiny....just like most of the government lies.
    EELS
    8th Sep 2015
    9:44am
    It is not as simple as just taking 20,000 immigrants. Just think how much this compassion will cost everyday Australians with the inevitable increase in taxes. One would have thought the sky was going to fall in when it was suggested we pay a $6.00 co-payment for a GP visit.
    There are currently 105,237 people in Australia who are homeless. Where is the compassion for them?
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    8:49pm
    This is what the do gooders refuse to do. Whilst doing the right thing is ingrained into our society it would be good to see a bit of intelligent debate rather than ill thought out demands.
    JoMojo
    8th Sep 2015
    9:48am
    We must house Australia's homeless first. Address mental health. Care for our disabled in share homes being raped and bashed. For God's sake Aussies first.

    Perhaps temporary protection only, these immigrants must work, at least to provide food for themselves, build their housing etc. not be a burden on taxpayers. Would like to see birth control rates of only 2 children. Micro chip contraception. Northern Territory is hot like homeland. NT needs people/workers to set up their agriculture food bowl of Asia and the TOURIST industry, immigrants not just coming to major cities sitting doing nothing getting into trouble on the dole, must follow our culture = better way of life.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    10:12am
    Sarah Dancing Shoes doesn't care about that !!
    EELS
    8th Sep 2015
    10:12am
    Also remember the Kosovo refugees that were given temporary sanctuary in Australia. Many of them refused to return to their home country when it was safe to do so. It has cost us millions of dollars and many years in the courts as a result of their demands to stay.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    11:15am
    Sadly, the NDIS is dead and buried now. It was never funded and will remain just a political statement.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    11:18am
    I must say the images of the refugees look a little surreal. Bodies washed up on beaches, people rejoicing and dancing. Well dressed people using iPads and selfie sticks taking group photos. It appears as though many in Europe have been affected by the hysteria of the mass migration. I don't know that we're getting an accurate picture of what is really unfolding?
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    12:24pm
    SPACE INVADERS For Real !!
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    1:04pm
    I think the real refugees are the ones in the camps who don't have money to pay the people smugglers. The UK are offering real humane help by having a realistic increase in refugee intake numbers over the next 2 years and choosing refugees from the camps only.
    We can feel a lot more humane if we vote for Labor and the Greens next year. Sarah will make sure we get our fair share of "refugees" and there will be plenty of money for resettlement, legal costs, welfare, detention centres, etc, etc, etc. But please don't whinge when you're asked to pay for it.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    1:34pm
    I hope Sarah's Wages are enough to cover it ?? :-( The Happy Elf wants to bring every Crying Stealth Fighter in the World here ??
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    1:48pm
    A few months ago ISIS stated that they would send some terrorists with the refugees. There is a reason that refugees destroy their papers.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    1:56pm
    We are in urgent need of Politicians not Country Destroying Lunatics !! :-(
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    2:29pm
    Are there any politicians amongst the refugees? I don't know. but if there are I hope an improvement on Sam Dastyari.
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    8:53pm
    I rarely agree with our government funded troll Frank but on this occasion he is on the money. The last MP I would ever want to see on the screen is Hanson-Young and her twisted face spewing out the "poor people' rhetoric which never recognises any of the real issue or effects of her toxic policy. The woman is clearly a half-wit so maybe I am being a bit tough on her.
    biddi
    8th Sep 2015
    12:29pm
    How about adopting the Kosovo strategy?
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    12:36pm
    What ??? Call the UN in to Bomb the Wrong Side !! The UN are Muslims now !! :-( :-(
    Crashbang
    8th Sep 2015
    1:17pm
    I hope all you key Board warriors are going to get off your but to support this in flux. More important when Australian way of life turns to Crap where will you clowns be..( oh it wasn't us) Saalbach i have read your comments. If you dislike Australian & our way of life, when are you leaving..I'm sure with support we can get you a one way ticket to where u will be happy..
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    1:26pm
    Have a look at what they have done to England and Sweden !! Disgusting !! And Do we want that here ? NO !! :-( :-( :-( :-(
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    1:50pm
    So I take it you will not be voting for it next year?
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    8:55pm
    "Butt"?
    Sadly do gooders NEVER look at the effect of their do gooding. And when they cause havoc they are nowhere to be seen.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    9:04pm
    I never saw one of them When their Imports were Burning The Australian Flag in Middle of Sydney ??? They were so glad to be given a New Homeland They Barbequed Our Flag !! :-( :-( :-(
    Anonymous
    9th Sep 2015
    2:02pm
    Yesterday I emailed the PM, Andrew Wilkie, Immigration Minister and today will be emailing candidates in the Cannington by-election voicing my opinion.
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2015
    9:27pm
    Good work Radish!!!
    Fred
    8th Sep 2015
    1:39pm
    I would have a lot more respect for the greens if they would appear to care as much about our homeless and poor as they do about refugees. They were elected to represent Australians, not people on the other side of the world,
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    1:52pm
    Fred they may have been elected to represent Australians but they are being paid to represent only a certain section.
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    8:57pm
    Agree. Same deal with homosexual marriage. Who asked for that to be forced down the throats of the electorate?
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2015
    9:10am
    mick you are the one who keeps voting for these idiots.
    solmon52
    8th Sep 2015
    2:04pm
    What are we doing to our country, these people have and are upsetting our complete social fabric and standard of living,. They are like the european carp, crazy fools let the carp in as they have in america and other countries and our water ecology has been destroyed, the same is happening with Australia allowing the wrong migrants in from a wrong back ground yes Islamic and I am one but we have gone to far. I integrated and accept the way of life without demands to bring my ways here so its about time this government does the same by bringing the right ones. Allow only the poor persecuted Christians from Syria and Iran without advertising and don't tell the civil libertarians in the foreign affairs department. Give the job to one person like me to do the choosing, let the security forces check the credentials and not AFP and we can take as many re balance our country..
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    2:25pm
    solmon52, I hear what you are saying. Decent Islamists like yourself chose to escape from the lunatics but now they are following you here. At the risk of being labelled inhumane and racist by those on the left I have to say I agree with our proposal.
    MICK
    8th Sep 2015
    8:59pm
    Solomon/solomon52. Reincarnation? Frank avatar?
    You sound like Tony Abbott telling us all what we are to do.
    Anonymous
    9th Sep 2015
    11:58am
    Did you change over to the Jewish faith also solomon52? Never heard of a muslim called Solomon.
    Adrianus
    10th Sep 2015
    8:19pm
    mick and Ray try wearing your glasses when reading. It is not "Solomon" it is "solmon"
    sidney70
    8th Sep 2015
    2:43pm
    To all you doo gooders out there. This is what happens.
    Story today's Newcastle Herald. A good Samaritan stopped his car to assist a person he thought was being assaulted by another person, When he intervened ,they both turned on him assaulted him, broke his jaw and then stole his car. He ended up in hospital. Morale , don't get involved in situations you have no control over. You will be sorry.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    3:16pm
    Not the "Religion of Peace" again I hope ?
    grandfather
    8th Sep 2015
    4:38pm
    There is a great variety of information.So it is difficult to disseminate the truth. Surely the media have an obligation to give factual reporting.The has been very little said about the PM's statement that we are taking in per capita more than any other country. Maybe we can do more but do it sensibly. The Laird
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    4:55pm
    I think we have done enough now thank You very much !! Raise the Drawbridge !! Have a look around the World and see what those Lovely Refugees are doing in the way of thanking people for being Nice to them !! I just did and I've seen enough to be convinced That is just an Attempted Islamic Takeover !! Brain Washed Clowns on both sides !! :-(
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    8:03pm
    Germany has fallen.

    8th Sep 2015
    7:36pm
    amazingly, after making a remark in these columns in regard to the absence of labor mick and his left wing comments, heaven behold, hours later these columns are riddled with his statements, just look at the times they were made, say no more, my comments were of course, conveniently erased, it is very oblivious that your life choices have laws for one, like don't rock the labor boat or you be outed.
    is it to much to ask your life choices to treat us all the same or are you another offshoot of the labor party or is labor mick one of your employees? I stay with my comments in regard to this article, do we want people in this country who for the sake of falsies put his family on a inflatable boat, where his wife and two of his kids drowned, guess who had a lifejacket on, while he could have walked to greece from turkey where he had lived for three years and had a job, or for the man who put his wife and baby on the railway tracks, but made sure he was safe, was more important talking to the press, if that are the people we want to live in AUSTRALIA, all I can say, god save AUSTRALIA!!!!!!!!!
    particolor
    8th Sep 2015
    8:23pm
    Notice all that Heemskerk did You !! I knew that Kid on the beach was a Movie Production from the word go !! ISIS Productions .
    Misty
    8th Sep 2015
    9:41pm
    Did you see a photo of him in a Life Jacket heemskerk99 or hear it translated from his own mouth?, I heard him say, translated sub titles, that there was no money left over for Life Jackets after he paid the people smuggler.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    10:10pm
    Misty, you should check your story with Jen, in her post above they were given life jackets which were fake. I've never heard of "fake" life jackets, but then again I've never heard of passengers having to bring their own life jackets. I think its about a 24klm trip so you would need an open water vessel and safety gear to be sure of making it.
    Adrianus
    8th Sep 2015
    10:10pm
    Misty, you should check your story with Jen, in her post above they were given life jackets which were fake. I've never heard of "fake" life jackets, but then again I've never heard of passengers having to bring their own life jackets. I think its about a 24klm trip so you would need an open water vessel and safety gear to be sure of making it.
    Abby
    9th Sep 2015
    7:48am
    All these healthy fit men litter the area with the food they are given

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=344_1441354394
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2015
    8:33am
    Bring them in on bulk at the risk of increased number of guns in circulation. People will need to protect themselves as they are finding in the US. I think many people are grateful we have a government with sound judgement. I would hate to think what would happen in these circumstances with Shorten having the final say? The photo of the poor little kid has us all tearful, but I'm sure a photo Journalist was paid handsomely for the shot. Let it be a call to action to toughen our resolve in the fight against ISIS whoever they maybe. Now is not the time to drop our guard.
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2015
    8:51am
    Abby, that happened in Hungary just last week. Hungary is urging Germany not to take any refugees. This is going to end badly for Europe. These people are demanding that any food aid be halal certified. Even bottled water???!!!
    particolor
    9th Sep 2015
    7:46pm
    Try and tell Dancing Sarah that Frank !! :-(
    particolor
    9th Sep 2015
    7:53pm
    A Twitter was Post was One of them getting asked Why He chose to come to Germany ? And the Raggy Beard Said "I get the House and the Government Money here !!"........ YAY :-)

    9th Sep 2015
    2:57pm
    Refugee numbers requested by Labor: 10,000,
    Greens 20,000
    Andrew Wilkie 30,000.
    Ended up being 12,000...I believe that is fair enough. I sincerely hope the checks done are thorough before we allow anyone in. As it is we have already allowed in some very suspect people in the past..!
    Adrianus
    9th Sep 2015
    4:47pm
    I think if Australia is to accept 12,000 refugees they must come from the camps in Turkey, Lebanon and Syria's outskirts. They must be women, children and families. The $44m will help those in the camps with food, clothing and blankets leading into winter, but it must get to them.
    Our politicians were very quick to put a figure out there to show how compassionate they were but how did they calculate those figures? Or was it simply increasing by 10,000 each time as one would expect in an auction where the sale item was title for the "most compassionate politician?"
    We should have matched the UK.
    Saudi Arabia has donated $18m, but not taken any refugees. They say they have already 500,000 Syrians in Saudi but they don't call them refugees.
    Radish, I agree with your sentiment about thorough checks being of the utmost importance. Thankfully this government is not relying on the people smugglers to choose who comes to Australia.
    Anonymous
    10th Sep 2015
    5:32pm
    Frank, I sincerely hope that those they bring in are families with young children. The young men between 18-25 should be at the back of the queue.
    ginger tea
    9th Sep 2015
    5:16pm
    I like to see great deal of thought be invested in this mission.can the government sustain continuous compassion,financial,emotional support to the displaced person on our land.No good leaving these traumatised people to fend for themselves in an alien environment.Should we not encourage other nations to help their brothers too?
    particolor
    9th Sep 2015
    7:57pm
    Hungary just told Germany " Don't let them into Your Country !! :-( :-( "
    Dot
    9th Sep 2015
    9:43pm
    We who arrived after WW2 where of the same culture and didn't wear scarves.
    jessej
    9th Sep 2015
    10:03pm
    why oh why has Tony weakened and will bring in these back door invaders and give them houses BEFORE our won homeless in AUSTRALIA

    CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME AUSTRALIA TONY WAKE UP
    particolor
    9th Sep 2015
    10:18pm
    Its useless talking to the Ignorant jessej !! :-(
    Adrianus
    10th Sep 2015
    9:20am
    Because the media will continue to call him inhumane and continue to show photos of little kids getting washed up on beaches until he does. I think only 4 countries are taking these refugees and Australia is taking by far more per capita. Thankfully we have a government which will not take back door invaders presented to us by the people smugglers. Australia will handpick these refugees from the camps. They should be mostly women and children I imagine.
    Anonymous
    10th Sep 2015
    5:33pm
    JesseJ....we have no choice. Abbott has been forced into this whether he wants to bring in more or not.
    JoMojo
    10th Sep 2015
    7:53am
    We must hold PM Abbott to his words refugees 12,000 will only come from the existing camps Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan. Only Syrian minorities. Northern Territory trying to attract people and businesses about to be given incentives. Send these people to NT so they can work in agriculture and furthering tourism up there - English not needed initially. No coming in breeding babies every year not working staying on the dole. Must sign papers they will abide by our way of life or face deportation. Birth control advice is a must - no 7 or more children meaning no need to work. Accommodate in renovated shipping containers or Better Homes from Sweden. Let the bleeding hearts have them in their houses but no bonus payments to do so.

    I'd have preferred we housed our homeless first many PTSD. Can we all get together and do the same demonstrations in the streets with candles for them ? Our young mothers sleeping in tents that leak in the rain. Older people not able to afford rent sleeping in cars or doorways ....... what is wrong with this country....shame !

    PS: SHY or dancing shoes must be deported if she does not take into her house. She get a pollies salary and all the vested interests payments. I contacted her and asked her to help a disabled lady who cannot speak + was being raped and bashed in her share home. You guessed it folks .... SHY to busy !
    Anonymous
    10th Sep 2015
    3:35pm
    With the internet, facebook, twitter, people all over the world know which countries have the best welfare system

    Hence the eagerness to get into Germany, Sweden, UK, Australia. Why go to a country which does not have the same benefits.

    As I saw reported in the paper some time back "you put the sugar on the table of course people want it".
    particolor
    10th Sep 2015
    6:17pm
    YEP !! Look what the Syrianites did When they didn't like their Government !! Have a Jihad on it !! Didn't get them any further than all over the Western world ! Bring them here Tones We've got a job for them !! :-) :-)
    guyra2
    11th Sep 2015
    10:50am
    The media being as it always has been.........elaborating and bringing to the attention of everyone the circumstances....We just aren't too certain of but are willing as we are to
    read and listen....that as it is now is our right as a free country......But that is changing
    as we see the Islamic invasion of our ideals.........Shouldn't everything effecting our future
    be put to the vote???..........Shouldn't Abbott and his supporters be effected more financially??
    We have endured and survived as best we can......But limitations imposed on us(pensioners)......Certainly hasn't been a bed of roses.......Bed of bloody bedlum is more apt
    Adrianus
    11th Sep 2015
    10:56am
    We have all been affected financially. Watch the ABC's Four Corners investigation tomorrow night.
    particolor
    11th Sep 2015
    5:57pm
    I'm getting POORER By the week ?? :-( :-(
    Adrianus
    13th Sep 2015
    7:41am
    A little disappointing from 4 corners. A very limited view of the situation unfolding.
    Interestingly El Mouelhy said it has nothing to do with Islam. It is a business and soon to be worth $3Trillion world wide, so Australia should embrace it.
    With so much money why is it left to a few non muslim countries to finance and house refugees???? Something is not adding up here???
    No mention at all about the 2 banks which are providing Halal certified loans, you know the ones which don't have interest.
    What is the point of the ABC, really? Is it just there to tell us how much they hate our government???
    Nan Norma
    11th Sep 2015
    12:37pm
    Nan Norma
    11th Sep 2015
    12:35pm

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    I don't undersrand why these refugees aren't going to Middle Eastern countries. Same culture. I'm making no judgements but I hope we won't be sorry in five years time. We need to remember the WW11 refugees were of a similour culture to ours.

    11th Sep 2015
    1:51pm
    I can see so many of you have concerns about the refugees, and so you should be concerned.Have you not all heard that Muslims are infiltrating all countries as they are wanting world domination. Look it is happening under our noses, that is why other muslim countries dont want them cause they are being sent around to world to dominate.
    You all should get behind Pauline Hanson as she has the guts to stand up for Australians, we have no other politicians with the guts. Look out in ten years Australia will be a third world country and the law will break down and out of control.
    I am worried for my children and their children as I wont be around to see the outcome.
    Wake up Australia before it is too late.

    11th Sep 2015
    1:54pm
    Wake up Australia.
    SGW you have a short memory also, yes we needed refugees then cause our boys were slaughtered trying to stop an invasion on Australia, alas they died for us and now some forget what they endured to save our country from invasion, the Japanese were at our door step. They would be horrified to see terrorists being let into Australia.

    11th Sep 2015
    2:51pm
    Wow it's expected to cost Australian tax payers $700 million over 4 years to bring these Syrian refugees here. This is happening during a period when there is not enough jobs and welfare for those who already live here. It's a pity the people from developing countries weren't educated during the 1960's about birth control and weren't supplied free contraception. It would have prevented famine, wars and many species of animals and plants from extinction.
    Fready
    11th Sep 2015
    7:04pm
    Remember Enoch Powell.?
    Whilst we might have a warm fuzzy feeling now about taking so many so called refugees from Syria, we will regret it in years to come. Having seen footage of these people ignoring the law, destroying food provided for them and failing to register in the first country they touched I fear they are not the type we want here.
    This is the Islamisation of the World without a fight. They will bring their prejudices and religion here and soon we will have the same problems they are said to be escaping.
    Adrianus
    11th Sep 2015
    7:15pm
    You don't think you're over reacting? Some of those kids could grow up to make a life for themselves. We could be looking at another Eddie Obeid, Sam Dastyari or Salim Mehajer or a Ahmed Fahour?
    pate
    12th Sep 2015
    1:43pm
    More of you want to read with care and take more notice of what maris said about what her relliies told her about the goings on in Germany - one of the first to welcome these so called refugees in to trash their country. If that is the best they can do ket them go to hell who cares???? Abbott so he can look like a big man the useless looking toad.
    Anonymous
    14th Sep 2015
    2:29pm
    I see on the news today that Germany is closing its border with Austria and only those with papers will be allowed in.

    "Germany introduced border controls on Sunday, and dramatically halted all train traffic with Austria, after the country’s regions said they could no longer cope with the overwhelming number of refugees entering the country.

    Interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, announced the measures after German officials said record numbers of refugees, most of them from Syria, had stretched the system to breaking point. “This step has become necessary,” he told a press conference in Berlin, adding it would cause disruption.

    Asylum seekers must understand “they cannot chose the states where they are seeking protection,” he told reporters."
    JoMojo
    12th Sep 2015
    5:02pm
    What worries me the most is We in the West have in Australia now 2 children on average or less. Most others have 7 for their God at least and even more. You get welfare for 2 parents 7 children you do not need to work. They want us to take more.

    How can we afford it all? Centrelink broke within 5 years.

    We will be outbred quickly.
    particolor
    12th Sep 2015
    5:38pm
    They've got it well Planned this time ! Haven't They ? :-(
    Anonymous
    14th Sep 2015
    2:30pm
    This is why I believe the current government will be returned to government.
    They stopped the boats!
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    3:57pm
    Last time we had Shorten and his crew in we also received 200,000 illegal immigrants. Of these 90% are still on our welfare system. Shorten has a hide complaining about unemployment being 6.1% without Shorten's help it would be less than 5% and both consumer and business confidence would be rising faster than a souffle.
    Fobwatch
    26th May 2016
    12:57pm
    Why take refugees at all? The only solution is to fix the countries that mess themselves up so badly. It makes no sense to import the problems unless we intend to thoroughly reeducate all of them: yes, I do mean brainwashing them in the English-speaking, democratic, law-abiding, neighbour-respecting system that we aspire to. Just bringing them in and dumping them in some ghetto is a recipe for Aurukun, civil-war Beirut or worse.
    Adrianus
    26th May 2016
    4:20pm
    Fobwatch, you are making sense I agree. There is however some political resistance to developed countries forcing peace and good health and wealth on other countries.
    Misty
    26th May 2016
    4:28pm
    Totally agree.
    Anonymous
    26th May 2016
    5:28pm
    I agree with you fobwatch. The UN should enforce that these corrupt governments of war torn countries fix their problems. Australia will endure the same problems down the track due to the hordes of refugees fleeing to OZ. It is a bandaid fix has anyone considered the millions left behind in their war torn countries we cannot take them all in so why only a few stop immigration now.
    Also our infra structure is f..... now imagine what it will be like in ten years, I shudder to think of that.
    Hospitals are stretched to their limits, the roads are over congested, the police cannot handle the increased crime which is on the ever increase, the law is f..... too lenient we need to have stricter laws and consider the death penalty again. We are doomed if nothing is done. I can only hope Pauline Hanson gets into the Senate, she is the only person in OZ with guts, the other pollies are gutless.
    particolor
    26th May 2016
    8:07pm
    Well Ill be Lord Mayor of London ! :-)
    Adrianus
    26th May 2016
    8:26pm
    Jannie you mention that infrastructure is f..... I assume you mean we are already short. Part of that infrastructure is housing. Most refugees go to NSW where there are 57,000 people already waiting on the housing list. Victoria where there are 27,000 waiting.
    When the Greens (50,000) and Labor (27,000) are asked about the infrastructure they have no solution. They change the subject.
    Our humanitarian refugee intake stands at 13,000 and I think the Government is doing a fine job.
    Some people I talk with are looking at ALA (Australian Liberty Alliance) as an alternative.
    If the Labor/Greens/Independents party get back in the people smugglers will be back in business.
    They are waiting in preparation now and hopeful that we have a change to the bad old days.
    particolor
    26th May 2016
    9:16pm
    The Spanish Armada is ready to Sail !!:-) :-)


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