Tony out, Malcolm in

In a dramatic day in Australian politics, Tony Abbott has been replaced as PM.

Tony out, Malcolm in

In a dramatic day in Australian politics yesterday, Malcom Turnbull challenged incumbent Prime Minister Tony Abbott. And the winner was Malcolm.

But the numbers were super tight and the victory for Malcolm Turnbull is far from clear cut. A vote taken in the party room at 9.15 resulted in 54 votes for Malcolm Turnbull and 44 for Tony Abbott.

Events unfolded quickly. With the expectation of a significant swing against the government in Saturday’s upcoming Canning by-election, restive liberals had waited long enough. At 4 pm Malcom Turnbull addressed the media, stating that the Abbott Government had not been successful “in providing the economic leadership our nation needs. … We need a different style of leadership. … It is clear the people have made up their minds about Mr Abbott’s leadership”. He then confirmed that he had resigned as Minister for Communications and would be asking the Prime Minister for a leadership ballot.

Two hours later, Mr Abbott responded.

“We are not the Labor Party”, he said. “This country needs strong and stable government … at all costs avoiding the revolving door of the Labor leadership. You can trust me to deliver a stronger economy and a safer community… I will be a candidate and I expect to win. The destabilisation just has to stop.”

Over the following three hours many Cabinet ministers pledged their support for Mr Abbott, in particular Mr Hockey who said, “The disloyalty of some is outrageous. We have an economic plan that is working.”

The ballot was called for 9.15pm and just half an hour before, ABC TV reported the projected numbers to be separated by just two votes. But as we have since seen, the numbers were slightly better for now Prime Minister Turnbull, and decisive for Julie Bishop as Deputy Leader, at 70 votes compared to Kevin Andrews at 30 votes.

Opinion: The Abbott Legacy

What goes around usually does come around and yesterday it did for former Prime Minister Tony Abbott. It’s called karma.

A self-proclaimed ‘fighter’, his pugilistic political style – frequently described as ‘Dr. No’ – won him the prime ministership of Australia in September 2013. Yet a few days after his government’s second anniversary, the Prime Minister faced a leadership challenge from the man he deposed as party leader in 2007.

The trigger was increasingly dire predictions of a 10 per cent+ swing in the Canning by-election, which will take place on Saturday 19 September. But this leadership challenge has been coming since the ‘non-spill’ in February, when Tony Abbott faced off an empty chair, and won. He promised then that he would listen, that good government would start on that day, but his ‘fighter’ personality was hard to shrug off. And six months later, relentlessly consistent polling showing the Liberal Party on track to lose the next Federal Election on a two-party preferred basis became too hard to ignore. In particular, the perception that the conservative government was not able to manage our economy, with most indicators (unemployment, consumer confidence, business investment) confirming a lack of faith that economic growth was highly unlikely in the short term.

As commentators noted when ex-PM Abbott left the party room, it’s a long walk. No one enjoys anyone’s humiliation or distress. Politicians are human beings who hurt as much as the rest of us. But it would be dishonest to pretend that Mr Abbott’s prime ministership has been either successful or good for this country. His so-called ‘Captain’s picks’ have been foolish at worst, damaging at best. His lack of understanding of those in need – people on welfare, the unemployed or refugees – was a severe hindrance to social equity. And his strong views on climate change, alternative energy and same-sex marriage were out of step with most Australia. Additionally, his inability as Minister for Women to properly support the needs and rights of Australia women has basically sidelined half of the population.

It must be very difficult to work in Canberra and still keep your finger on the pulse of the priorities of ordinary Australians. But that is what prime ministers need to do. Our new Prime Minister is an extremely wealthy and successful man. Tellingly, he did not call for strong leadership, he said we need strong economic leadership. And while highlighting the need for us to be agile, innovative and creative, he did not once mention a vision for a fair and equitable country. He will need to work doubly hard to understand what really goes on in mainstream Australian life. 

What do you think? Are you happy with the result? Will the vote for Malcolm Turnbull mean we can now expect a more stable government?

And what are the implications for Bill Shorten and the Labor Opposition?





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    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    8:36am
    Wait and see !! But from what I see around the Net some Folks are up for a Ta Ta Tony Party tonight ! :-) :-)
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    11:24am
    Why bother.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    10:34pm
    Probably not worth engaging with some of the meat heads below. Always nice to have a debate based on logic and facts. Mostly crap and anti labor venom coming from the normal poster(s).
    Lets hope that Turnbull can kill of some of the anti-Australian policies from Abbott and his cronies which upset so many of us with their unfairness.
    I'll come to the bye bye Tony party particolor. I need a drink at the moment!
    Peterrj
    15th Sep 2015
    8:41am
    The left mantra was, 'One Term Tony' but bet they didn't think that he would be replaced before the next election. Never know, Turnbull may turn out to be the best Labor leader they never had?
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    8:50am
    Lets see how Broad Band Mal goes ? :-)
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    1:01pm
    Don't forget the $11m to a mate's company to fund finding rain without cloud... using Russian technology that has yet to produce a single drop.

    I was hoping to sell off the Harbour Bridge to Mal, but I'm not a crony or party member... buggar...
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    5:08pm
    Yes it did ! It bought Tears to My eyes !! :-(
    hedy
    15th Sep 2015
    5:21pm
    I agree. I like Turnbull as a person BUT I think Australia will regret the change.
    Especially our grand children
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    5:44pm
    Our grandchildren would regret that union bully back stabbing low life Billy Shorty much much more.
    Tom Tank
    15th Sep 2015
    8:46am
    Turnbull will try, against significant opposition from the strong ultra-conservative "Christian" element, to turn the Libs back to their origins which was a Liberal Party with liberal values.
    If he succeeds we will all benefit but he could be in for a torrid time. A political commentator said last night the right wing of the Libs in NSW are very strong haters.
    Abbott was a disaster and only welded only "blind" LNP supporters could really be happy with him. The bulk of Australians had really had enough.
    The ALP will now have to extract their digits if they have any hope of success.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    5:17pm
    Good comment Tom Tank!
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    10:37pm
    I was surprised at a couple of comments from Turnbull recently as I did not know that he also has a hate of Labor. It would be good to try and get some common ground so that bipartisan support happens (where it should) for the good of the nation. The last thing we need is more political point scoring for the sake of over-inflated egos.
    Robin7
    15th Sep 2015
    8:49am
    Turnbull promises to keep the LNP going in Exactly the same direction. No gay marriage, no climate change, no refugees, no ABC, no SBS, no medicare, no public schools, no public hospitals, no social security, and absolutely No taxes on the rich.
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    8:51am
    No Knighting anyone ! :-)
    Robin7
    15th Sep 2015
    9:27am
    I dont care about Dames and Knights, As Long As we dont have to give them a penny,y let them have their gongs.
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    11:19am
    So I can keep my gong then.
    marls
    15th Sep 2015
    12:15pm
    was not a fan of abbott but he did keep the boats out. now i feel we are in for a hell of a time we will go the same way as Europe. he will have open boarders, the crime rate will increase as there will be no stopping these cultures they will have the support of the govt and funded by the govt the rich will get richer and the poor will starve.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    4:01pm
    maris, the word is borders not boarders.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    5:25pm
    marls
    Yes, Abbott did at a multi million dollar cost, employed a security corp that abused women and children and even raped them.... not bad aye marls.

    Oh! not to forget that the amount of Refugees over 15 years would not even fill the MCG AND is still less than the people who come in to Australia EVERY Y E A R by plane with visas (457 as well) and STAY illegally.
    Yes marls, more illegals come by plane in ONE (1) year than ALL the refugees for 15 years.

    YOU wouldn't be a pom would you, they seem to come to Australia, as immigrants and bring their PHOBIA's of other cultures with them?!? Once THEY get into Australia themselves, they are the most racial and haters of any other cultures, other than their own of course. They seem to think this is THEIR country and that THEY alone have the right to come here..... sick dudes aye, marls.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    5:50pm
    Google the number of rapes in places like Sweden by the immigrants that Sweden opened their doors to and get that great big chip off your shoulder. You should remember the troubles at those beaches south of Sydney that the white girls in Bikinis were being insulted on before the Ozzy guys took the law into their own hands.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    11:56pm
    longdistancerunner

    Oh! dear dear short distance stayer.... of which chip do you speak, wood or potato? They are very different, you know.

    So are countries interpretation of rape! Did you know that IF you don't use a condom in Sweden, it is a form of RAPE! Don't you think the number of so called rapes would have increased dramatically on that aspect alone... most immigrants may not have known this law. Do you know how many were for not using a condom and how many were for penetration without consent???

    Get a grip, dear thing and expand your RACIST horizon.... IF you want a country whereby women are treated like scum, then maybe you should take a closer look at Saudi Arabia, old thing.

    In regard to the 2005 Cronulla RACIAL riots. I didn't know anyone was raped, only that some women were verbally harassed by people of a different culture..... yes, I can see that would be a great reason to form a huge GANG of WHITE RACIST people and go in there and beat up and terrorise Muslim FAMILIES with women and children.

    Besides, if you want to blame someone else for that DISGUSTING display of racism, then you could look at little Johnny Howard. He was the first to spew racist LIES for political purposes.... remember "babies overboard"... all bulldust and Howard was well aware of that!

    That was a very short sprint, doesn't seem as if you can quite make the distance from your racist tendencies to looking at all the facts.
    particolor
    16th Sep 2015
    7:15pm
    AND They were Being Insulted By those Gangs of Perverts LONG BEFORE They were Put Straight !! There !! :-(
    particolor
    16th Sep 2015
    7:17pm
    AND By The Way ! Pervert is not a RACE !! Before You get off Your Horsy ! :-)
    Mike
    15th Sep 2015
    8:52am
    Will Turnbull reverse the d.changes to thevpart pensions. Retirees have worked hard and saved for their retirement under current gov guidelines only to have their retirement plans smashed by Hockey. A recent survey estimated approx 550000 former liberal retiree and soon to be retired voters will never vote Liberal again. Also will Turnbull get rid of Hockey and B Bishop?
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    8:58am
    Well I think the Flying Nun has gone and the Treasurer that cant Treasure will be Replaced ! :-?
    Robin7
    15th Sep 2015
    9:25am
    we wont see reversals, he has had to sleep with the devil to get the top seat back, he will toe the party line.
    The LNP are convinced that they are better than regular Australians, they are convinced that they are the brightest and the best, that they know better than us what incentives we need to push us back into jobs ...they Ignore the fact that the jobs dont exist anymore.
    Turnbull will toe the party line 100%.
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    11:23am
    If retirees worked so hard why do they even need the pension? Or was it they didn't work smart enough? The pension should only be given to those who need it not those who are entitled to it. If a couple has $1.1M they shouldn't be getting the pension at the other taxpayers expense. The sooner the house in included the better off we will all be.
    marls
    15th Sep 2015
    12:21pm
    bonny I don't see you complaining about abbotts pension you only complain about the people who have slaved and worked all their life
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    1:03pm
    That was 'bong' Bonny - not gong - and no - you won't have to return it.
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    1:19pm
    I'm not complaining about people who you say slaved and worked all their lives but I am wondering why they are now on the pension?
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    1:20pm
    No it's definitely a gong what would I need a bong for anyway?
    Rae
    15th Sep 2015
    2:49pm
    Bonny they are on the part pension because that is the decision they made at retirement.

    Those without superannuation didn't need to make the decision at all.

    I would imagine future retirees will make entirely different decisions.

    The legislative changes will have far reaching impact and consequences that Hockey and Morrison can't see.
    Oldman Roo
    15th Sep 2015
    5:03pm
    Bonny , Your comments and figures you are quoting are the usual wealthy people comments of your party , who neither understood nor cared about the less fortunate in our country . Sure , just go on with your 1,1 Million , when the cut off rate is in fact 823 000 and includes assets that are necessities of daily life . Thanks to your wonderful Liberal philosophy and mismanagement , the cash rate is around 2 % and just do your figures on that and find out that this person is living in poverty . It does in fact send the wrong message to the young by making a mockery of saving and working hard . You are also forgetting that most of these elderly around the cut off figure made these savings in order to live free of welfare in their old age , and years ago that was the case until our Politicians let us down but naturally made sure they and the wealthy are fine in typical LNP style .
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    5:14pm
    What I just don't understand is how people who have worked much longer than I ever did got to be on a pension. The obvious answer must be they just didn't provide for themselves for retirement even thought the writing has been on the walls for about 40 years now. I'm actually surprised that people can still make a choice about going on a part pension. The pension system is way too generous even with the changes to the assets test in 2017. You should have to use up you own resources before collecting the pension and not be putting your hand out to the taxpayers and then handing a windfall over to your heirs to spend tax free after your death.
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    5:19pm
    Even with $823,000 you could provide for yourself for many years in retirement and when that runs out you get the pension. You can spend your capital as well as the income it generates. It's a no brainer.
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    5:21pm
    If you are only getting 2% on your money then you need to do some serious research as it's not that difficult to get over 3% by just having your money invested in accounts with the major banks.
    Oldman Roo
    15th Sep 2015
    7:58pm
    If you did the figure work right you would not be writing your comments and also do not miss out on addressing the problems this shift in goal posts causes for a couple of elderly people . I would like you to provide me with a major Bank that makes fortnightly payouts on a 3 % return . You also conveniently forget that I mentioned the figure of 823 000 includes assets essential for daily living that bring absolutely no return . You just can not get it that apart from the ultra rich , like you , not many made it to the 2 Million mark , which is what a couple needs in these days unless you are a Politician . Just continue with your opinion and you will see how the young people will not save and work hard and your Liberal Philosophy will really fall apart when everyone lines up for the full Pension .
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    9:51pm
    Utter rubbish and obviously a welfare mindset. That is what is wrong with Australia today too many people think that they are owed a living for doing absolutely nothing. I personally can't see the good times continuing for that much longer as put simply there will not be enough welfare money available for the demand so something has to give.

    I know of one of the big 4 banks that gives a return of over 3% on a couple of their accounts as I was working out which one to sue for a person a couple of days ago.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    6:13pm
    Bonny, you are obviously both very arrogant and very ignorant. Why do people who worked hard all their lives need a pension? Because investment returns have crashed to next to nothing. Maybe because they had to deal with expensive health issues or family crisis that drained their savings late in live. Maybe because the GFC or fraudulent conduct by superannuation fund managers reduced their savings nest egg. Maybe because economic change rendered land and property assets in some areas or certain resource assets worthless - or worth much less than they should be worth.

    It's not a ''welfare mentality'' that drives those who genuinely NEED a small pension and the accompanying benefits to survive maybe 30 years of inflation in retirement without income to complain that they have been stripped of what they were promised. It's not a ''welfare mentality'' that leads people to complain that after years of hard work and extreme sacrifice they now have less to live on than people who didn't work as hard and/or didn't save. It's not a ''welfare mentality'' that leads people to object to the Government rewarding people for spending heavily and punishing them for saving. (Asset-tested retirees in many circumstances can actually gain $174000 over 10 years if they spend $100,000 on a world cruise. Nowhere can most get that return by investing!)

    The aged pension is NOT welfare. It's an entitlement that was bought and paid for by taxpayers, and it's not the fault of today's retirees that the government stole the money and misappropriated it. Many decades ago, an eminent Australian politician declared that the aged pension was an entitlement and should NEVER gain be regarded as ''welfare''. Sadly, cheats, liars and fraudsters are denying retired Australians their rights. But worse than that, politicians and the privileged are fostering a culture of disrespect, contempt, anger and jealousy toward retirees, assigning vile labels such as ''leaners'' and making false accusations and false claims against them. It's sick and disgusting.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    7:48pm
    Bonny, a few facts you conveniently ignore:
    1. Many people who are assessed by Centrelink as having ''assets'' actually are stuck with worthless property or items that do not return and are unsaleable, often due to economic change, political decisions, or corruption in local or state government. These people may be living in poverty, ''deemed'' to have sufficient assets to be self-supporting but in fact having very little.
    2. Many older people saved for a genuine and valid purpose or goal - to provide for some anticipated expense that will arise in their later years. How is it fair to deny them the right to preserve their capital to meet that expense while those who gambled, drank, traveled widely, dined in restaurants, dressed expensively, etc. receive pensions? That's a denial of the right to make spending and lifestyle choices. It means people are punished for being responsible and putting a nest egg aside for a valid future need.
    3. Many retirees received compensation payments after an accident etc. to COMPENSATE them for being unable to continue to earn and/or to help them meet special needs resulting from their disability. It is grossly unfair to then say they should use that money to live on instead of receiving a pension. That denies them the fair benefit of the compensation payment and means the benefit of the compensation goes to the taxpayer, not to the injured party.

    You are quite wrong to suggest that it's reasonable for people to have to spend their assets rather than getting a pension. Fair enough to expect folk to live on investment returns if they have adequate returns to fund a comfortable lifestyle, but it is NOT fair to deny people the right to enjoy their savings in their own time and in their own way - or even to pass them on to offspring when they die - while subsidizing the lifestyles of those who are less responsible. If someone put aside savings to fund a world trip when they are 70, or to pay for their grandchild to fly overseas for specialist medical care, or to help their children meet the cost of their grandchildren's education, or to meet particular lifestyle needs arising from a health issue or disability, how is it fair to demand that they now forfeit the right to use those funds as planned and force them to live on that money while folk who took their world trip at age 50 or gave large monetary or asset gifts to children or grandchildren when they were 60 receive a pension?

    What you are saying is that those who work hard and save carefully, but are NOT privileged and cannot attain financial independence, should gift all the rewards of their endeavours to the taxpayer and gain no benefit from their efforts. Meanwhile, the rich and privileged enjoy massive tax concessions that cost the taxpayer much more than pensions, and the genuinely poor live in poverty. This is class warfare at its worst - a vicious attack on the upper working class and lower middle class to ensure they cannot improve their lot and all their work benefits others, not them.
    Jen
    17th Sep 2015
    7:06am
    Well said Rainey. No idea how it is that Bonny is unable to comprehend these basic facts.
    Adrianus
    17th Sep 2015
    8:21am
    Rainey, I agree with your view that many people can find themselves cash strapped by making poor decisions or even through no fault of their own.

    However, your rantings do not disprove Bonny's claim that Australia is far too welfare dependent. That is a fact which can be supported by statistics.
    Treasury recently reported that the majority of superannuants died with more than half of their super balance. Many of whom (75%) were receiving welfare benefits.
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2015
    10:41pm
    Frank

    WELFARE DEPENDENT!!!!! What a horrible term to use.

    The Corporations may pay tax BUT their owners/shareholders, claim in back (Dividend Franking Credits)..... so very little remains in the coffers.

    NO business pays GST ..... ONLY individuals do that.

    It is the ORDINARY people who FILL the coffers of Govt!!

    It is the ORDINARY people who pay for the HOSPITALS; SCHOOLS; ROADS; INFRASTRUCTURE (bridges; NBN; etc); Politicians wages and benefits and superannuation; ALL the SERVICES & BENEFITS received (which you call WELFARE); Subsidising mega corporations with their water and energy; paying out HUGE $$$ to foreign mega corps to destroy OUR environment (Great Barrier Reef for instance); etc, etc, etc


    SO WHY the HELL can't the ORDINARY people PROVIDE for those LESS FORTUNATE than others. WHY can't the ORDINARY people PAY for their OWN!!!

    So, FRANK, take your USA political bulldust and shove it where it hurts!
    Adrianus
    18th Sep 2015
    7:32am
    Mussitate, I think what you're saying is why not increase taxes on ORDINARY people so that WELFARE DEPENDENT people can get a fairer go.
    I disagree. I am for REWARD FOR EFFORT and LOWER TAXES, especially for ORDINARY people. So Mussitate YOU can stick your COMMUNISM and UPPER CASE!!!
    Idontforget
    15th Sep 2015
    9:35am
    So now we have both the Labor and Liberal parties that have refined the art of double crossing and back stabbing. And the Greens lead the race for sarcasm.
    We have probably nudged out Italy and Thailand with the record of recycling and renewing Prime Ministers.
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    7:10pm
    I heard this morning we already have !! :-) Were the Ringers ! :-)
    And don't mention Nationality's on here or someone will come along and call You Racist !! :-) :-)
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    9:39am
    Proves once again that there is NO Honour Amongst Thieves!!

    You should have heard them when Julia did the same to Kevin !?!?!?!?
    Now THEY did the IDENTICAL ACT against Tony.

    Once again, proves that they are just a "Bunch of Hypocrites" who only care about themselves and NONE about the Country!
    Happy cyclist
    15th Sep 2015
    10:17am
    Well I'm sure Mr Turnbull would say it is because he cares about the country that he did it. And he may be right. Why don't we all 'chilax' and let him have a fair go.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    5:50pm
    Patriot

    You are 100% right. There was MASS HYSTERIA by mainstream corporate media AGAINST Julia and Rudd.... nothing nice was said and the ABC did not dedicate Capital Hill to Labor, as they have now done for Liberal henchmen and bean counters to tell us how terrific the move is. NO NEGATIVES at all anywhere!
    The corporate median and even the ABC are all rosy and excited and presenting Turnbull as the wonder dog BUT do not examine or point out that Turnbull has already tagged that he will not change any of Abbott's policies (megacorp wish list in reality).
    So in reality NOTHING has changed except we have a prettier face (?) and someone who could be called a statesman.

    It just means he can con us better than Abbott.

    Happy cyclist
    Sure thing there.... we will all fall behind someone who wimped out and gave us the MOST EXPENSIVE (triple the cost of Labor's brilliant NBN) and USELESS NBN that will put us behind the rest of the world by 20 years instead of ahead of it by 20 years. This NBN is so useless that it is not even considered broadband in the USA because it is so slow, it is unreliable, it is OUT of DATE already AND cannot be upgraded.

    SO Happy cyclist, we should just mellow out and give this glib statesman the green light when he has already shown that he is ready to SELL out AUSTRALIA and all AUSTRALIANS.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    7:52pm
    Because, Happy cyclist, he's already confirmed he will stick with Abbott's cruel and unfair policies and nothing will change. Anyone who makes such a statement does not deserve a ''fair go''. He's put the nails in his own coffin.
    bohanka
    15th Sep 2015
    9:42am
    Poor Tony!

    Tony Abbott is set to go off into the sunset with an annual pension of $307,542 per year. How will he ever manage on such a tight budget?
    Travellersjoy
    15th Sep 2015
    9:53am
    He will still have a very generous super to fall back on, plus the "entitlements" attached to being a former PM.
    I could live comfortably on the allowances alone.

    It's the ego that will hurt most. Expect another exculpatory book along Battlelines lines to make him feel better.
    An LNP/IPA Latham in the making.
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    9:56am
    He'll just "Have to scrimp & Save" like pensioners do !!!
    Won't he???
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    10:02am
    Calm Down ! They only get 15+ Old Age Pensions, they need it for Payments on their Investment Properties ! :-)
    *Imagine*
    15th Sep 2015
    11:53am
    I understand that Tony will miss out on his PM pension because he was just shy of 2yrs in office. A reduced pension for the leader of the party that is reducing part pensioner's support - that is a wonderful example of Karma!
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    3:55pm
    bohanka. jealously is on of the deadly sins, you will rot in hell.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    5:35pm
    longdistancerunner

    Grab a bit of sanity! My god how ridiculously savage you are. What the hell is wrong with you? bohanka is permitted to express his disgust at Abbott getting $307,542 per annum when Abbott fought to reduce ordinary peoples pensions..... especially considering that those ordinary people now on pensions PUT all that money into the coffers to pay Abbott's EXCESSIVE pension!

    *Imagine*
    You are correct, he does miss out on the PM pension by THREE (3) days, I believe (haven't checked though). The amount detailed by bohanka is WITHOUT the PM boost!
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    5:53pm
    Oh Mussitate, talking of being savage, pot kettle. Look at your posting insulting Poms at 5.25. What an enormous chip you have on your shoulder. Where do you hail from originally may I ask?
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    7:00pm
    Rearead and Never saw a Race Mentioned ?/ :-)
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    8:16pm
    particolor. You re read the posting of 5.25 and you will read the racist slur on poms.
    He was or is having a pop at he British who made Australia so please you re read.
    And he hasn't said where he came from or his ancestors.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    12:12am
    longdistancerunner

    Well, well a pom you must be. That is YOUR problem, the British did NOT make Australia.... ask any Aborigines whose ancestors were mass murdered and even in Tasmania genocide occurred. Lovely lot the poms, aye.

    On to the next thing.... whilst Britain was not looking, immigrants came from Italy, Greece (biggest number outside Greece), Vietnam, and many, many other nations. This made Australia cosmopolitan with great food, great variations of cultures and EVENTUALLY, each and every one of those cultures merged to become ONE.

    Every year we add more mixes to OUR wonderful Australian CULTURE. We DO NOT want to GO BACK to a single WHITE nation, we are NOT BRITAIN, we are NOT RACIST, we DO want more cultures than just poms and yanks...... BECAUSE we ARE AUSTRALIAN AND that is who we are ..... MULTICULTURAL mixed into ONE CULTURE... easy going and giving people a helping hand and after a few jokes ACCEPTING.

    Seriously, couldn't think of anything worse that a WHITE Australia.... so bloody bland, just like pommy food.
    Travellersjoy
    15th Sep 2015
    9:48am
    I feel a degree of schadenfreude in Abbot getting his karmic comeuppance, but Turnbull still leads an ultraright wing party subordinate to the desires of Rupert Murdoch.

    No Australian outside the 1% can be comfortable with a Murdoch/IPA government, no matter how they pretty it up to fool the foolish.

    I suspect more fireworks. You can't keep a determined ideologue down for long.
    fearlessfly
    15th Sep 2015
    9:48am
    Yeee Haaa !! Finally happened, my prayers have been answered !
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    10:03am
    You won Tatts ?
    fearlessfly
    15th Sep 2015
    10:46am
    Not yet, but I did finally complete that R/C model yacht I started 10 years ago !
    marls
    15th Sep 2015
    12:25pm
    you will live to regret your prays being answered before to long wait till all the refugees get here and take and kill and rape
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    1:05pm
    Damn - I'm still trying to finish the retirement home... then build the homebuilt aircraft...
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    5:57pm
    Marls.. Settle down!! He's only taking 14,000 at a time ( About a Big Country Towns worth) of the Owlhoot Dillberrys ! :-( :-(
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    6:07pm
    marls

    We have hundreds of thousand 457 and other visa holders that have come to Australia by plane and illegally stayed after their visas have expired...... you know, those ECONOMIC refugees, that are here merely to STEAL Australian jobs. These people are NOT VETTED before they come to Australia because they are not requesting permanency in Australia, maybe just a holiday.

    The rape levels and the killings, so far have NOT risen, even with all those MINUSCULE number of REAL refugees WHO HAVE BEEN FULLY VETTED, who are fleeing USA bombs in Syria + ISIS who were originally funded, armed and trained by the USA and Saudi Arabia (the Saudi's are still funding them).

    Oh! there was one NUTTER refugee from Iran (Man Haron Monis) that was NOT VETTED and that was ONLY because the USA & a USA charity (Amnesty International) said he was OKAY, even though Iran said that he was a 'dangerous' CRIMINAL. So much for our immigration system and our Security Agencies, doing their job for Australia.... there wasn't even an enquiry into why this occurred, they just tried to blame the courts.


    What you are constantly SPEWING is abject RACISM and absolutely NO compassion toward your fellow man..... NOW THAT sort of ATTITUDE is NOT welcome in AUSTRALIA.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    8:22pm
    What's with all the capital letters Musitate and where are you from?
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    11:15pm
    Well - I'm from 1850's free settlers from Germany and Ireland.... population was under 1 million then....and I agree with Mussitate.
    Jen
    15th Sep 2015
    9:52am
    Same policies, different salesman. But there is some relief from the lancing of the abscess on Australia.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    8:18pm
    You sound just like that adulterous union bully boy and back stabber Billy Shorten, you know the tellie tubbie look alike union puppet on a string just like Palachook.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    12:25am
    shortoutlook
    What, are you talking about the Liberal Kathy Jackson (stole 1.4M from the union) and her partner Liberal Fair Work Commissioner (Abbott placement) Michael Lawler?

    Did you know that Kathy Jackson was SCHOOLED by the Union witch hunt royal commission LAWYERS on how to answer their questions.... obviously, PRE knowledge of a question would also help tremendously.

    Bloody three ring circus this Royal Commission with the ring master a clown and the rest performing poodles putting on a show.
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    9:54am
    Wrote the following to a friend who predicted “The Spill” in the next few month.
    Reasoning for it being that Tony was NOT prepared to enter into an “International Carbon Trading SCAM”. The only countries currently not signing are Australia & Canada.
    Canada gets a new government before the “End of 2015” and they'll (the International Power brokers” will ensure that the New Canadian Govt is in favour of the new Int Carb Trad Scam.
    In Aust the same International brokers HAVE evoked a “Change of Prime Minister” which was needed to now ensure that Aust. Looks favourably to enter into this SCAM.

    So Last Night's debacle fits in with this theory & with the "Agenda 21" mechanism!!!!!
    I believe Julia's initial Carbon resolution was the "Correct One"
    Unfortunately even this was designed to revert to "International Stock market Carbon trading" after some time ==> So back to "Square One".
    So, in my opinion, she only introduced an "acceptable" scheme with the PLANNED ascension into an "Evil SCAM"!
    I believe that "Carbon Emissions" must be curbed in order to ENSURE that Planetary Homoeostasis" is preserved.
    How much the Anthropogenic contribution to Atmospheric CO2 really is seems difficult to "Quantify" and - in my opinion - it is nearly as much as many "Would try to make us believe"!
    ALL planets in the Solar System are WARMING currently and the Malenkovitch wobbles that the earth is subjected to introduce "Period climate variations".

    HOWEVER, WE MUST APPLY THE PRECAUTIONARY PRINCIPLE as - as usual - we can only conclusively prove the issues after they have happened.
    =========================
    I have some MAJOR concerns with the POLLUTION which is a "By-Product" of Carbon Emission. Sulphur (create Sulphuric acid), lead, mercury, arsenic, fluoride (Good for teeth (???) but DEADLY for Human Bodies) and many other "Heavy Metals" are injected into our environment in Vast Quantities!

    Whilst Malcolm has "More Class" in just One of his Little Toes than Tony has in his whole body, let's not forget that he is/was a Bankster!
    Let's also not forget that Joe's wife is/was associated with International Banking!

    So, in the end, I don't know why Tony & Joe were not "Following Orders from their masters Up High" on this issue?
    They just must “not have understood the ORDERS" as they "fell-in-Line" on every other issue.  AND SO DOES LABOUR for that matter!!!   In a slightly different fashion though in order to make a distinction between the 2 parties. There really isn't one!!!!

    International trading of Carbon will ONLY serve the GLOBAL ELITE and the Ultimate Plan for a One World Government with Evil Dictators (Psychopathic) at the helm!
    Not withstanding all the above, we MUST curb Carbon emissions in order to ensure that planet earth remains habitable.
    AN INTERNATIONAL TRADING SCAM IS NOT THE SOLUTION IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE!!!
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    11:21am
    Methinks that you presume too much and that your opinions reflect undue influence sucked up from leftie media anti Abbott propaganda.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    4:00pm
    Patriot, why on earth do you keep putting all those capital letters in your post, are you nuts or what?
    Stoker
    15th Sep 2015
    5:10pm
    Methinks that patriot is used to using capitals.
    CFMEU, MUA ACTU, ALP, oh stoker stop talking to trash.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    6:15pm
    wally
    Well that was a pathetic response.... when you are lost for a response, just attack the person. Bit disappointed in you wally.

    longdistancerunner
    It is not possible to use the full range of typo emphasis when on this forum (not like the meeting place) HENCE, it is necessary to use capitals to do this.
    This does suggest that it is YOU who are 'nuts or what'. RIGHT LITTLE neo con, it seems you are.... new on the market also... sigh! You and I are bound to have some FUN.... I enjoy people like you!!!

    Stoker
    You sure your name is not 'stroker' seems to fit better somehow...yes.
    If you have a brain that is capable of responding to anything in an intelligent way, now is the time to show yourself!
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    6:17pm
    Patriot

    That was an interesting comment.... something that DOES need to be looked at and I actually learned something from it. CHEERS
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    6:33pm
    Always the same with people who cannot counteract the facts presented.
    They will certainly enter into personal attacks & slander
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    7:56pm
    Hi Musso. It is good to see that they let you out! Speaking of the "play the man and not the ball " tactic you accuse me of, I would like to point out that I learned that stunt from you. I also try to stick to the facts as I see them in my comments and not try to bury arguments proposed by others under an avalanche of biased opininons and half truths,

    So cop that, Young Musso!
    Patriot
    16th Sep 2015
    10:28am
    wally - stoker - longdistancerunner,
    I apologise for the initial post to contain some Long, difficult Words & Concepts
    You boys could not find the/a dictionary and in frustration were forced to "Attack the Person" in order to "Skake off" some frustration.
    GROW UP (Oops capital letters again) & learn to fight the facts rather than the person!

    15th Sep 2015
    9:55am
    As I said yesterday, "Politicians and diapers should be changed often and for the same reason", and now it has FINALLY happened.
    fearlessfly
    15th Sep 2015
    11:58am
    Well, let's hope that that (cannot use the words in case I get sued) Attorney-General gets shafted as well !
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    11:59am
    Very much agree with BOTH comments!
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    1:06pm
    Morrison as Treasurer?
    geezeed
    15th Sep 2015
    10:00am
    Tony Abbott is a decent and honourable man. We will miss him.
    Disloyalty and self interests seems to be part and parcel of Australian politics.
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    11:50am
    Tony Abbott's mistakes were always going to be trumpeted loudly and long by the lefty media on both commercial and public owned television networks. His successes ( ie stopping the boats) were treated minimally while comments by non entities like Ian Rintoul and Sarah Hanson Young's constant and continual carping about how hard done the "refugees" were ) would often be given greater media exposure that the success brought about by Operation Sovereign Borders.

    And so it is no wonder that the public would be misinformed after being fed an unbalanced and biased reporting of the news. Gillard's misleading, ( if not downright false, ) accusations about Abbott's alleged misogyny are another example of how unbalanced reporting would damage Abbott in the eyes of the public.

    It is no wonder that after years of exposure to bias in new reports, polls would reflect the views of people swayed in their views by the media bias against tony Abbott and his government. Polls, fed by a misinformed public through media bias. would eventually lead those Liberal back benchers fearful of losing their seats (in the next election) to agitate to get rid of the cause of their fears (namely Tony Abbott), and the opportunism and desire for advancement in others, to produce Monday night's result.

    Tony Abbott tried to get most of the important decisions right but the media concentration on his gaffes and blunders, including ill considered Captain's picks and loyalty to Bronwyn Bishop) got more media coverage than his successes. Efforts to put Australia's economy back on track were frustrated in the Senate would be glossed over by the tv news media. In short, Abbott did Australia more good than harm in the things that really matter to most Australians during his time as PM. It will remain to be seen how well Malcolm Turnbull does.
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    11:55am
    wally
    Now it becomes obvious why you're calling me a "Lefty".
    Such whilst I HATE both sides of politics.
    Reading my previous post(s) should make this very obvious!
    mangomick
    15th Sep 2015
    12:46pm
    Lefty Media??? Thought we already worked out that recent research into Media's Political persuasions found that while many lower ranked Journalists preferred Labor while the majority of the media hierarchy who control what is printed support predominately the LNP.
    Abbott was ineffectual ,his members knew it, his party knew it, his ministers knew it and the people of Australia knew it. Abbott was decent and honourable when he took the party leadership from Turnbull by one vote . This is just karma.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    2:18pm
    geezeed whatever the commies like mick, mangomick and Patriot may say about Abbott, none can dispute his courage and success. He leaves a legacy of solid performance and results.
    mangomick
    15th Sep 2015
    4:39pm
    Selective Memory Frank. As I've stated on here many times I've always favoured a true Liberal of the likes of Turnbull over an Ultra conservative like Abbott. Obviously a large portion of the members of his own party agree. Abbott has been hopeless and out of touch during his short career as PM with his policy on the run and captains calls. When in opposition he was totally negative towards anything Labor wanted to introduce and Gillard to her credit was able to compromise with independents and Greens to get Legislation through. This was a totally foreign concept to Abbott and outside his limited area of expertise. Good to see Abbott and his bully boy ,attack dog tactics go.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    6:49pm
    Frank
    Ever heard of the saying "everything looks like a nail, to a hammer".... in your case "everyone looks like a commie, to a FASCIST".
    Suck it up my little neo con, who is very, very UNAustralia because neocon fascism is about selling out your country to PRIVATE (foreign) interests who often take the form of mega corporations. Good one Frank.

    wally
    Oh, dear, the OTHER wally..... the one who can actually string more than four sentences together.

    You deserve to be dealt with as you have dealt with others..... just to spew forth derogatory remarks but I will restrict myself to the comment above.

    Abbott, ONLY got dumped because he and Murdoch upset Fairfax Media who simply kept reporting FACTUAL information instead of abject bias that is continually SPEWED from from Newscorp and the other megacorp mainstream media outlets. The ABC were totally subdued and reported very little of relevance because, ALTHOUGH they used to present a FAIR media, they were presented by corporate media as biased..... IF THIS WERE THE TRUTH, they would have been in breach of their mandate BUT they were NOT. So we had a witch hunt with funding cuts and REPLACEMENT management (more liberal orientated... Abbott has been placing his 'boys' in many key positions - eg. Michael Lawler, Fair Works Commissioner, you know the one that took over 6 months SICK leave FULLY PAID when he wasn't sick and was defending his criminal girlfriend in COURT). It was too difficult for Abbott to stay when there was a rogue corporate media outlet, actually printing the truth, so they replaced your boy with Turnbull.

    Turnbull is a BANKERS boy
    Turnbull is affiliated with the PACKERS
    Turnbull is affiliated with the very wealthy Jewish Community
    Turnbull is ready to sell Australia... bent over to Murdoch with the NBN
    Turnbull is incompetent and NOT a good business manager..... look at the disgusting job he has done with the NBN which is so far behind schedule, it is a joke; has cost TRIPLE that which was originally proposed (the Libs still refuse to get their useless NBN costed & audited); paid out to Telstra for the 100 year old useless copper was astronomical AND has given Telstra very lucrative contracts to maintain this pile of junk.

    EFFECTIVELY wally, dear chap, there as never been any media bias against Abbott. It is just that he was so bad, that nothing could make it better EVEN PRO ABBOTT media.

    HOWEVER, the disgusting bias that is already evident in Turnbull's appointment.... ENORMOUS corporate media positive coverage and even ABC virtually handing over Capital Hill to the Libs....... to praise their cleverness in getting rid of the hot potato and saving their jobs (they hope).

    The disgusting policies REMAIN... no change there.... just a new pretty face and one that is MORE GLIB.

    Your attempts at media bias are old hat wally old son and simply do NOT 'spin' any more.

    You actually CUT & PASTE the above comment directly from a Liberal rag, didn't you wally???
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    8:03pm
    Hi Patriot. Glad to read that you hate both sides of politics. By that,do you mean the Nationals and the Liberals? Or if you mean that you hate the LNP and the Labor Green Axis, do you hate them equally, or do you hate the LNP 90% and the Labor Green Axis 10%?
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    8:06pm
    wally
    NLP & ALP BOTH 100% hate
    Such as neither party addresses the need of the people and ensures a dignified future.

    BOTH sell us out to the International Banksters & Corporations
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    8:28pm
    Hi Musso, again. You seem to think that the only political leaders that should be elected to Parliament ( from your slurs about Malcolm Turnbull's life and accomplishments prior to his entry into politics) would be restricted to Neanderthal knuckle dragger types from the lowest dregs of society. As I type this, I can see a parade of thuggish union boss gangsta types that you would feel that Australia deserves to have inflicted on the general population in governmental positions. Is that the sort of person you would want to be foisted on the us?

    It is also interesting to see in your above rant that you are attacking Turnbull for associating with Jews. Foe someone who claims to be anti fascist in outlook, are you displaying a closet Joseph Goebbels streak in that above comment? I certainly hope not. But any racist neo Nazi comment like that needs to be examined and explained more thoroughly.

    Or are you condemning Malcolm Turnbull for associating with the rich, famous and influential people of society instead of visiting outback aboriginal communities and spending more time with the homeless, the down and outs, the hopeless alcoholics, drug addicts and the mentally ill? (No. I am not lumping our parliamentarians into that last sentence, but I I must admit sometimes I think it is tempting to do so!)

    So let us reserve our judgement on Mr Turnbull on what he succeeds in accomplishing, not for what he has done in the past (that is not illegal), no matter how repugnant you might think it is
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    9:45pm
    I thought Turnbull was in business with the likes of Nick Whitlam and Neville Wran. In fact wasn't Turnbull executor of Wran's estate? I thought it was Labor who were in the pockets of big business.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    1:12am
    wally
    Are we now talking about Abbott... you did mention neanderthal knuckle dragger type.

    Ow NO! the anti semitic cry, with the term Nazi flung in for extra effect!!!

    SHAME on you wally.

    How base and unintelligent that sort of stuff is.... childish even.

    IF you had attacked me for the tautology of Bankers and Wealthy Jewish Community, I would understand and would have had to agree with you. However, I was referring to whether Turnbull's affiliation with this very wealthy Jewish community would be a conflict of interest. For example, Turnbull was one of the loudest proclaimers for Australia to NOT support recognition of Palestine in the UN. Would Australia come before Israel?

    Now, you are saying that rich, famous and influential people are BETTER than Aboriginal people and having a go at the homeless, the 'down & outs' (your words), those with addictions and those poor souls with mental disorders. I will leave that comment as base and insulting.

    So, when someone who writes such things supports Turnbull, of course I worry, only natural.


    Frank

    At least that is an improvement.... "I thought" .... okay, you were wrong BUT it is a start.
    Patriot
    16th Sep 2015
    10:32am
    Frank
    Just to make sure that - as you called me a commie - I am not (going to) be hiding under your bed!!!
    wally
    16th Sep 2015
    10:52am
    For mango mick: I might agree with your comments regarding the political leanings of journaiists in the print media, but I believe that televised media, both public and privately owned, is more influential with the average voter. Most people are too bored with politics to be bothered to read newspaper editorials. Instead, the nightly tv news programs and the way they present news in brief "grabs" have been skewed to concentrate on the more dramatic and hysterical pronouncements from the lefties and their supporters ( or a "good" car wreck story or fire) that they think will boost their tv news program in the ratings.
    So over the past couple of years, instead of concentrating more on what the LNP government has done in a positive sense, Tony Abbott has become "collateral damage" in the ratings wars between the free to air tv stations.
    wally
    16th Sep 2015
    11:32am
    Hi Musso, No, I was not referring to Tony Abbott in my above Neanderthal Knuckle dragger comment. That was directed at Shorten's thuggish union bosses and cronies that slotted him into the leadership role in the ALP over the rank and file's choice of Anthony "Albo" Albanese. Their Xenophobic opposition to the free trade agreement with China (which they claim will cost Australian jobs) is nothing more than an attempt to keep the flood of money they get (and squander on themselves) through union dues should their most dire predictions come true. How worried are they that those unionists employed in the car plants at Ford, Holden and Toyota are going to lose their jobs over the next two years? Union pay claims contributed to the uncompetitive situation Australian car makers found themselves in, hence the decision to close the plants.

    As far as suggesting that I am pushing some sort of eleteist line that rich people are somehow superior to Aborigines and the less fortunate in society is another exampler of your misguided and mischievous attempts to "put words in my mouth". After all, the Tony Abbott, (whom you appear to like to revile as a Neanderthal knuckle dragger) was not above visiting outback Aboriginal communities. When will your hero Bill Shorten do the same? Or does he prefer the company of his Caveman Union mates?

    Tautology or not, your bagging of Malcolm Turnbull for associating with wealth Jewish people is a slur reflecting an unpleasant side to your good? self. Do you suggest that in your perfect little world you would only allow Malcolm to consort with poor Jewish people? A most unfortunate and unworthy lapse on your part in any case. Anyway, I find that it is always good fun to take metaphorical pot shots at the "Loony Letfies" and I hope you have fun "firing"back in reply.
    fedup
    15th Sep 2015
    10:02am
    I will never vote for this snake in a million years, arrogant back stabber he wouldn't have a clue how the majority of the Australian people live. Julie Bishop has gone down in my estimation as well.I will never vote Labor either thanks to the 90% "boatpeople" who came in under their watch who are all still on welfare and always will be. I refuse to vote informal so I'm in a real pickle well in my 70's still work full time only to fund all the bludges, drug addicts, minority groups who will never work just take what they can and rip off the system that feeds them.
    Leebee
    15th Sep 2015
    10:16am
    Absolutely spot on FedUp! Wouldn't trust any of them!..Turnbull is an ex-lawyer which is one step down from a used car salesman. It won't be long before Bishop makes a charge for the leadership and will over throw Turnbull and the dance will continue!
    Hasbeen
    15th Sep 2015
    10:39am
    the thing I find most incredible is all the lefties who are applauding the election of the member for Goldman Sachs to the top job.

    The idiots think he will do something for them, or on principle for the country.

    Well hold your hats folks, this bloke has proved he has no principle, is as erratic as KRudd, & as self serving as Gillard.

    I guess we should get ready for comrade Shorten at the next election. Most liberal voters I know won't vote for a party that could have this bit of slime in the top job.
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    10:42am
    Who You're gonna call - GHOSTBUSTERS ?
    Idontforget
    15th Sep 2015
    10:57am
    Hold on Leebee, don't rubbish a used car salesman too much. A lawyer is several steps up from them.
    mangomick
    15th Sep 2015
    12:30pm
    There's also a lot of Labor voters who are disgruntled with the way Labor are going who may give Turnbull a go rather than go with the Greens.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    2:21pm
    fedup, not to mention the additional 150,000 illegals who came in by plane. Communism fosters corruption.
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    3:37pm
    Frank
    Frank
    Did you suffer an Aneurysm???
    Your remark makes sense and is spiced with JUST the right amount of venom!!!
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    3:58pm
    Communism is vile and Australia is full of commies I'm sorry to say. By the way where is the village idiot mick today so far?
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    4:14pm
    Frank,
    Just went out & picked some veggies!
    I know, you're just sour because you lost your mate & employer.
    Don't worry, Mal will be calling soon to enlist your services!
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    4:37pm
    At least with Abbott we had a leader with principle. Turnbull has already changed his stance on same sex marriage. Not that it matters to me, I have always thought the people should decide like they did in Ireland. People like Rudd and Turnbull can only be popular for a short time but I will see how he goes before calling in the jury.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    7:02pm
    fedup

    Agree with your first sentence or two but.......must say, much of your taxpayer money is used on the wealthy just as much as on ordinary people who haven't had it so good. Your tax goes to fund PRIVATE schools who do NOT pay taxes and PRIVATE health for the WEALTHY... all to ensure the wealthy get the best health care and their kids take most of the top end jobs. Then we have YOUR tax money going to SUBSIDISE energy and water used by huge mining corps who make billions BUT pay very little if anything in tax, send most of their profits overseas and employ 457 visa holders instead of Australians wherever possible. Not to forget the outlandish contracts and handouts to corporations to take over government functions, such as security, ports, water control etc... that cost heaps each year because you have to pay for their profits, as well at the services they provide. Oh! and the handing over of public assets for next to nothing... eventually that costs because they don't usually up date the equipment (energy boys).

    Remembering in all this that CORPORATIONS do NOT add much to the govt coffers. The TAX that they pay is CLAWED BACK by their owners/shareholders, so very little actually goes into the coffers EVEN IF, they pay TAX. Corporations simply make PROFITS at any cost to the country without putting much back... especially now that they are allowed to bring in (unchecked) thousands of 457 visa holders to take Australian jobs.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    7:23pm
    Geez Fedup don't know why you'd be surprised at Julie Bishop's behaviour, afterall she's just another ruthlessly ambitious, opportunistic, self-serving slimeball politician swirling in the cesspit of the Canberrian bubble....

    And while you're whinging about your taxes being wasted on drug addicts and refugees give a thought to the excess and extravagance of the snouts-in-trough politicians junketting around the country and interntionally, staying in the best hotels and eating at the best restaurants...Don't get me started on the tax payer funded handouts being forked out for retired Prime Ministers etc.....
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    7:30pm
    Shetso1
    Good to see that your increased "Blood Pressure" is the cause for TRUTH to be "Spelled Out".
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    8:20pm
    Oh musssitate, you do like your capital letters in the middle of sentences don't you. Did you go to school and where?
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    11:18pm
    Idontforget - that's true! Even the sharks leave the lawyers for dessert.....
    mangomick
    15th Sep 2015
    10:10am
    Hopefully now we will see Australia's economy turned around for the better. It will be interesting to see who ends up in his Ministry. Will also be interesting to see the reaction of the voters of Canning. Wonder if Labor takes the opportunity now to review if their Leader is up to scratch in the eyes of the Public.
    Another big question is,Where the hell does Turnbull put Abbott.? Minister in charge of Border Protection and Homeland Security or Sports and Racing Minister.
    Batara
    15th Sep 2015
    3:59pm
    "Where the hell does Turnbull put Abbott.?" The Holy See should be a good place. Make him Ambassador to the Vatican and get him out of the political system. He can discuss climate change measures with the Pope.
    If Abbot remains in Parliament it will result in tears.
    mangomick
    15th Sep 2015
    4:27pm
    That's what I mean. Abbott knows little else but Politics. He won't go of his own free will . He could let him stew on the back bench but Turnbull is going to probably give him some sort of a Portfolio to try to get some immediate harmony going with both sides of the LNP. Abbott was hopeless when he was Health Minister. as the saying goes keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    5:45pm
    For God sake Don't make Him Foreign Minister !! :-(:-(
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    7:16pm
    mangomick
    Sorry mate, Turnbull is a Turncoat and as Frank even points out below, has already done some Turnabouts the minute he was declared PM.

    He is going to continue with Abbott's corporate wish list, as his policies and continuing with that useless but triple cost NBN fiasco. He couldn't manage his way out of a wet paper bag... given how badly he has done with the NBN... crazily behind schedule, triple the cost, two power stations of energy needed to keep the ugly nodes cool during summer, huge amounts of taxpayers money paid to CORPORATIONS (Telstra paid multi millions for the 100year old mess of copper), huge contracts with Telstra to maintain the mess of copper, etc, etc.

    The ONLY reason he was put in was because Abbott was passed his use by date. Abbott had dutifully done all the dirty work which was couldn't be 'covered over' for the people, so the put in Turnbull who has learned to tow the line and will continue to leave Abbott's corporate wish list as his policies BUT will woo the voter with his gift of the gab and his 'nice' appearance.

    As long as Turnbull does NOTHING new before the election, the corporate media can SOAK Australia with his wonderfulness and once RE-ELECTED, Turnbull will finish implementing corporate wish lists AND sell out our sovereignty in the form of putting his signature to the TPP which simply puts FOREIGN CORPORATIONS in charge of OUR laws and OUR country.

    The aim of the LIBS and CORPORATE MEDIA is to give Turnbull the BEST PRESS EVER, so that when Australia votes, SENATE control will go to the LIBS..... god help Australia should that happen.
    mangomick
    15th Sep 2015
    8:49pm
    Geez Mussy Don't know about you but I'm damned if I can even name 1 politician who has never done some sort of a turnabout. I'm hoping that Turnbull at least has some kind of social conscience but anything at all has got to be better than Abbott had.
    If we are looking for a Leader who isn't going to turncoat then I think we can cross Shorten off the list. Hopefully Turnbull will come up with an economic plan that we kick start this country .Bottom line is if Corporations aren't making millions then i don't make a dollar.
    Don't think it matters what the press write any more. Australian public really not dills and there's more unbiased press these days on Internet . I'm happy to see the power in the Senate held by independents. Legislation should be a compromise as it effects every body. I'm prepared to give Turnbull a full term to see how he performs but that depends on who is on his Cabinet and Ministry.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    1:34am
    mangomick

    Must be honest, agree with you on Shorten.... would be a good time to dump him and put Anthony Albanese in. That way the corporate media couldn't jump up and down and say nasty things because the Libs have just done some back stabbing themselves - backbenchers and their worries about holding on to their cushy jobs.

    I am disappointed that in your response you have shown NO concern, however, about how DISASTROUS it would be if the SENATE was to be controlled fully by the Libs if they won the next election.

    I must say that YOU and many others on here have SHORT MEMORIES..... remember before the last election how ABBOTT was shown as a hero and he told us so many LIES just before he was elected and once elected broke more promises than he implemented any policies.

    The WHOLE LIBERAL PARTY, not just ABBOTT, have run Australia's economy into the ground (debt tripled; unemployment high; etc).

    The NBN which was under the direct management of TURNBULL is in SHAMBLES, massively behind schedule, costing TRIPLE of Labor's FAR FAR SUPERIOR and FUTURISTIC NBN, contracts in regard to the 100 year copper over the top expense to TAXPAYERS, unreliable and the cost of two power stations to keep the stupid NODES on every block cool never mentioned.

    That is GROSS ineptness on behalf of TURNBULL and also the WHOLE of the LIBERAL PARTY.

    Truthfully, the only thing they seem to be able to do is pander to the wealthy.
    mangomick
    16th Sep 2015
    9:56am
    Mussy ...Thought I covered the Senate by saying that I am more than happy to see the Senate controlled by Independents and minor Parties. That is what the Senate is meant to be. Not just a rubber stamp for LNP or Labor. Thought Gillard did an exceptional job in getting a huge amount of Legislation through the Senate by making compromises.Also thought the final assassination of Gillard was ill advised and is a poor indictment on Shortens character. I think Albanese would make a much better prospect than Shorten in the eyes of the voting public.I don't think he is a match for Turnbull at this stage but that could change if Turnbull isn't allowed to be his own man.
    Don't think it would matter who was in charge of NBN project. That's a massive task which was never going to be on schedule in the current economic atmosphere and industry regulations in regard to WH&S . Don't think Labors plan would have been any more on schedule.
    I have never ever been a fan of Abbott so I have never had any illusion about any statement made by him nor have i ever held any credence in any of his promises
    Happy cyclist
    15th Sep 2015
    10:11am
    It should not be "very difficult to work in Canberra and still keep your finger on the pulse of the priorities of ordinary Australians" because Parliament only sits for just over one third of a year. This year 19 sitting weeks out of 52 weeks. For the rest of the year they are largely in their own electorate or in the case of Ministers all over the country. When in Canberra they also receive entreaties from a very diverse range of groups/lobbyists/advocates who bring the problems of Australia to them. I would suggest its more their backgrounds and their social contacts which keep some politicians disconnected from the reality of many Australians. That is why voters need to pay much more attention to who they choose to represent them.
    Queensland Diva
    15th Sep 2015
    10:15am
    I have been a constant critic of abbott, and will admit to being a bit of a lefty, but I will now lay off the social media and give Turnbull a crack. Let's see what he can do.
    Abbott was divisive, cruel and had absolutely no thought for the majority of his constituents. He looked like a fool on the international stage and the interview last week with Leigh Sales on 7.30 was a disgrace. I am throwing one of those good ridance abbott parties this weekend. Now let's see what Turnbull can do.
    Jen
    15th Sep 2015
    10:22am
    I would love to say the same except, in reality, it's the same terrible policies which are sending us back to the 50s and beyond, just a different salesman. And that's the problem. Turnbull has already said he's sticking with the same policies. They'll never learn.
    Emps
    15th Sep 2015
    10:23am
    Tony is very silent. Could he be plotting his come back so soon? Wink..Nod, he he.
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    11:18am
    Or it was all planned this way.
    John M
    15th Sep 2015
    11:29am
    Tony is staying hidden and will do for another 4 days when he will become entitled to a PM pension. Grubby little man
    Tassie
    15th Sep 2015
    10:24am
    We are a laughing stock over the world..4 prime ministers in 2 years...mm..only hope Malcolm is allowed to get on with it....and he listens to the people...and he drops all captain calls..mm.. I wonder can we afford all this..when there are people in this country haemorrhaging everywhere...all I would like to see us some continuity..well never get empathy for sure...the comes Bill Shorten to the microphone...mm...sorry Bill your party was no different..and you have dirty hands from that...he wouldn't like running against Turnbull..he will have to change tack urgently...what a mess were in,...
    Dukki
    15th Sep 2015
    10:38am
    I AGRE WITH hEEHEE , IM VERY SURPRISED AT Julie BISHOP, N IDO BELIEVETHAT SHE HAS HER SIGHTS SET ON TH RIME MINISTRSHIP. I M GOING TO BE SORRY TO SEE THE TONY ABBOTT GOV GO, ONLY BECAUSE WE HAV NOW GOT A PERSON IN POWER THAT WAS NOT VOTED IN.
    Tom Tank
    15th Sep 2015
    11:39am
    You don't appear to understand our system of government which is based upon the Westminster system.
    The Prime Minister is the chairman of the Cabinet, if you like the executive committee, of the main party in the Lower House. The P.M. is voted into that position by his/her party. The P.M. is NOT a President and is not "voted in" at a General Election but only appointed by the Party and as such the Party can vote them out.
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    11:43am
    Tom Tank
    Just a shame that the LNP did not have that attitude when a "Change of Leaders" happened to the ALP in Identical Circumstances.
    They are ALL (Alp & LNP) hippocrites (mis-spelling purposely) because most are "FAT & GREEDY ANIMALS.
    Sorry to the animals for this comparison!
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    5:48pm
    OINK !!
    Not a Bludger
    15th Sep 2015
    10:39am
    What Turnbull did with Spycatcher, FAI, republicanism and his recent continuous & and disloyal leaking are all appalling - he will never have my vote and neither will I vote Liberal federally again.
    Queensland Diva
    15th Sep 2015
    10:44am
    Which will be great for we lefties, Not a Bludger!
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    5:41pm
    Not a Lefty either And Despise Both Parties Equally !! Elect the Drovers Dog ! See if I care ! :-)
    big al
    15th Sep 2015
    10:47am
    What can you say CARMER, they played with the pension, and now because he did not do his 2 years he will not get his.
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    11:17am
    Maybe that's how honest he really is...he didn't need the extra pension so hasn't taken it.
    John M
    15th Sep 2015
    11:33am
    Bronny, anyone who has made the taxpayer pay for his "charity" rides over so many years is only interested in the money. Honest Tony? Not likely
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    11:46am
    Well he did use a bike not a helicopter.
    Rosscoe
    15th Sep 2015
    10:58am
    The Libs gave a hell of a lot of Australians a terrific time last night. Especially one of us.
    https://www.facebook.com/mamamiablog/photos/a.442872830944.204257.142149825944/10153197552685945/?type=1&theater
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    6:15pm
    I take that as You WILL be having a Ta Ta Tony Party tonight ?
    Young
    15th Sep 2015
    11:02am
    At last we have a prime minister and deputy who can both speak well.They are all class and will do a great job for us.
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    11:15am
    But what is behind those silver tongues?
    particolor
    15th Sep 2015
    7:14pm
    Deputy Dawg :-) loved that Cartoon ! :-)
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    8:34pm
    All that proves is that they are lawyers, can think on their feet and have good speech writers. Come to think of it, so does that Great American Failure, one President Barack Obama, whose administration leaves a trail of failure and policy blunders since his inauguration in 2009.
    Adrianus
    16th Sep 2015
    11:46am
    Browny, I'm the sort of person who doesn't need to be told twice. But I'm also tolerant enough to think that a person should not lose their job because they continue with it.
    the_Albert
    15th Sep 2015
    11:03am
    Success in politics no doubt demands great compromises and evasions - but it's hard to forgive Malcolm for his bullying of SBS and the ABC over trivial matters, which dent his reputation as a liberal, and the schemozzle of his NBN. Hard to feel any sympathy for Less-Than-One-Term Tony.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    1:55pm
    That's not John Wilkes Booth, is it?
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    8:36pm
    Or Brutus.

    15th Sep 2015
    11:23am
    Turbull may be more charismatic but has the same policies;-(

    The issues are the policies not the amount of charisma. The Coalition are losers because of their policies.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    1:09pm
    Precisely put.... take two jelly beans...

    15th Sep 2015
    11:25am
    Sounds like "Ding Dong The Wizard of Oz is Dead". I hold no brief for any political animal at this time, and certainly for any party (other than the Republicans) - but it seems to me that Tony's Downfall is the result of much of his own doing and lack of any genuine planning and ability to sell a product (bill of goods?). His advisory board, The Cabinet - in my eyes are no better, and in that case Turnbull will only be a different mouthpiece for the same old line.

    We will still have the same evils abroad in the land of unemployment, vilification of 'welfare' without any real meaning attached to the word, accusations of vile activities by the Opposition and their supporters, blatant misuse of public funds to fund personal lifestyle by politicians, an essentially corrupt process of gathering funds for parties, and the lack of any genuine oversight over any of these activities.

    On the international scene, there remains a dire need to stop the lies and chicanery involved in the current refugee issues, the 457s issue, and the way this 457 rort (I call a spade a spade) will inevitably be abused under any FTA. On top of that we need a solid stop to the sell-off of any and all profitable enterprises overseas - a process that destroys Australian jobs, our economy, and destroys the revenue generating ability of government itself, to the detriment of all Australian who will be forced to take up the load.
    Amadeoz
    15th Sep 2015
    11:31am
    What a relief that the mad monk is gone! At least mr Turnbull has both more brain and empathy with people? He tried to please the aged conservatives, but will break his promises to them of no change if he wants to save his party from defeat at the next elections. A first step to bring the "liberals" in the 21st century?
    I have one hope and one fear for the near future. I hope that Labor will follow the example and will soon send their current creepy, unreliable leader packing and come up with an intelligent, progressive mindset, independent from the outdated, corrupt Union gangsters.
    My nightmare is that history repeats itself and ms Bishop will backstab the leader one day.
    I
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    1:11pm
    Post-Gillard woman and Asbestos Queen... she's only got one strike left......
    buby
    17th Sep 2015
    12:22pm
    Who KNows Amadeoz, whether he has more brains or not. Empathy with ppl, well that waits to be seen!
    Maybe ms Bishop, sees the arrogance we can't see , she would know him better than we.
    Already we have seen his arrogance when another female MP asked Questions, and he refused to answer, he really behaved like a true misogonist!!! i'm NOT impressed, can wait to see how it turns out. I don't like arrogance. Just because he's rich and rude, doesn't always mean he will turn out a good PM??
    Ronin
    15th Sep 2015
    11:45am
    Replacing Abbott with Turnbull a definite plus. Turnbull is articulate, thinks on his feet and, often, answers the questions asked. He is also on the 'softer' side of conservatism. Needs to rein in his verbosity.

    How he will fare with the right wing of the party is the big issue? But self-interest ie. getting re-elected, is close to all politician's hearts irrespective of views, so we shall see.

    Labor are now 'dead in the water'. Hopefully they will get rid of Shorten at the earliest opportunity. He is as much a 'dead weight' for Laor as Abbott was for the Libs.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    12:52pm
    Now we will see how much of not a nice guy Turnbull really is. He may be better at articulating his bluff but still has the same policies and lacks governing skills.
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    8:40pm
    Remember all the hoopla and high hopes that were bandied about in 2007 regarding one Kevin Rudd? That all ended in tears, didn't it? Along with a hideous amount of debt his crook policies ran up before shorten and Co tapped him on the shoulder.
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    8:45pm
    Beware of the "hyped up" Messaih.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    11:22pm
    Beware of freaks bearing grift.......
    Not Senile Yet!
    15th Sep 2015
    11:53am
    The only way the Libs will get back in is if the Guarantee to REVERSE ALL the cost Cutting to the Pensions and Welfare recipients and AGREE to revue the Corporate Tax....ie tie to the issue of the ABN Number ...you pay the minimum 20% or NO ABN.
    Remember all Pensioners have Families...Sons Daughters Husbands Wives etc. etc. No one over 50 will give the libs their vote next election...regardless of who is leader!!!!
    So Both Parties have their work cut for themselves!!!
    A Large Majority do not agree with attacking the Pensioners or changing the Rules......by this I mean a very Large Majority and that means they have ALL become Swinging Voters!!!!
    #Malcolm will not win them back with False Promises like Tony.....He will have to put his Promises into action BEFORE he goes to the Vote....as no one will be deceived twice!!!!
    As for the Baby Boomers and all the Broken Promises about not touching/cutting the pension....that will add up to a MASSIVE Swing away from both Parties!!!
    The Party Puppets should be nervous...they have ALL proven to be corrupted by their Parties and a massive swing to Independants is on the Cards next election!!!
    Both Parties have shown the Voter just how Corrupt they have become and most over 50's are sick of them!!!!
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    1:13pm
    Why do miners and farmers etc not pay fuel excise on diesel, when it is transported to them for their use over public roads etc and uses public utilities to get around in all ways....? There's $4bn right there....

    Just asking.... farmers I might understand as long as they are locals - I see no reason to subsidise foreign investors running farms for export only that recoup little to no tax to Oz.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    1:14pm
    I'm waiting to see how big the bribe is come 20th September when the pension rise goes in.... and what other changes will be 'on the table' or 'taken on board'....
    Not Senile Yet!
    15th Sep 2015
    12:00pm
    People need stability in retirement......Constant changing of the Rules for Super & Pensions does not supply stability!!!!
    Both Parties need to address this issue if they want to be elected!!!
    Failure to do so will directly cause a Massive Swing against Both by the over 50's who amount to the over 30% who got conned by Abbott with his false promises to leave the Pensioners alone....No change ...he said!!!!
    Malcolm needs to address those concerns directly.....before he will even have a chance at the Polling Booth!!!!
    Labor need to do the same...otherwise there are going to be a lot of In dependants in BOTH Houses of Parliament come next election!!!!
    CHARLIE
    15th Sep 2015
    12:06pm
    So very disappointed and angry at these turn of events. Five prime ministers in 5 years....pathetic. It was embarrassing and unprofessional enough when the labour party went thru their RUDD/GILLARD/RUDD/SHORTEN farce and I had hoped the Liberals were made of sterner stuff. They have proven they are all the same. Weak and shallow and very much apart of the ME ME generation which we have ALL allowed to fester in this country. They hold the people of this country and our democracy in contempt. They live in an artificial bubble in parliament and think they are in touch with the real world. All politicians appear to be like children who "spit the dummy" when things don't appear to go their way. I remember when I was a child my Mother would not let me do something, so I went to my Father and he said yes. It was soon explained to me why this was wrong etc. I feel politicians are the same. If they spend more time back stabbing each other and looking after their "seats of power" than looking after us, what hope do we have. I have always taken my right to vote seriously, as I remember what past females, went thru world wide to get us the vote. This election I will vote for no one.
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    12:11pm
    CHARLIE
    Sentiments are very valid.

    GREED, GREED, & more GREED
    That is what canberra is all about!
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    8:43pm
    Yep. No Mother Thersa types in parliament, Where is Guy Fawkes when we need him?
    Disillusioned
    15th Sep 2015
    12:30pm
    As an older Australian who has been severely screwed by other Govts. (does not matter political bias) I see this as yet another revolving door for some incompetent Politician to line their own pockets. I don't live in Australia any more as I became so disillusioned by the incompetence of Governments, unfair laws and inability to do anything about it - despite Aust. supposedly a Democracy. I have worked in the mining industry all my life and can easily see that unless future Aust. Govts. take a stand - For Australia - then this one will be just as useless as the rest. And remember Australia's economy has been forced - by incompetent governance - to depend almost solely on minerals!!
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    8:35pm
    Just enlighten us, where do you live now Disillusioned?
    Get Real
    15th Sep 2015
    12:34pm
    They say Tony's a nice guy then I say this couldn't happen to a nicer guy!! Dave
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    11:25pm
    Hear, hear.. three cheers for Nice Guy Tony! May you always receive a greater share of the same!!
    aly_rob60
    15th Sep 2015
    12:41pm
    Let's face it, they are just "passing the baton" as the Labor party does.....it seems to be clear that they are only interested in getting the special pension and benefits that go along with the tag "Prime Minister".

    No doubt Tony Abbott has had his ego dented, but he will take solace in the tax payer funded benefits, the chauffeured limousines, etc.

    Malcom Turnbull comes across as better educated, but will he be more in tune with Australians and empathetic to our struggles with high unemployment and high cost of living, unrealistic house prices and our border issues...ie. allowing too many people in?

    I really though Julie Bishop was different to the rest of them, but this latest turn of events proves that she is not!

    WHY WHY WHY can't we have a REAL alternative to these two parties?

    Clive Palmer (or someone similar) needs to get up and running, cos the Greens are just as corrupt and not to be allowed to win any more seats.
    Jen
    15th Sep 2015
    12:52pm
    "Greens are just as corrupt and not to be allowed to win any more seats." What an extraordinary statement. Could you explain please?
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    12:54pm
    The small party and independent vote has been and will continue to be on the increase as the major parties undermine their own credibility. Turnbull is at least more presentable than Abbott and will enjoy a momentary upswing in sentiment for the LNP. However, unless he can articulate a vision for the future which includes a compassionate view of society, a recognition of climate change and move towards improving this country's productivity through the development of secondary industries, education and health, then he will merely become the same ol' same 'ole.
    aly_rob60
    15th Sep 2015
    1:16pm
    Jen, can you explain to me what the Greens are even doing there in the first place? They are ineffectual and Sarah Hanson Young is a complete embarrassment. Can you explain how the Greens are "all for the environment" when they want MORE people in our Country, that cannot cope with the population, as it is! More people means a POORER environment! More rubbish, more crowding and denser populations in cities, more pollution, more sewerage, more cars, over crowding on public transport!

    Seriously? They are NOT concerned about our environment. Just a bunch of "goody two shoes" obsessed with lining their own pockets.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    1:17pm
    As several have said already - good work BTW Paulo - the rub is in the policies and not the man. And this time the man is not the mission.....
    Jen
    17th Sep 2015
    7:40am
    aly_rob60, you didn't answer my question about explaining your comment about Greens corruption. I've never heard of corruption within the Greens before, that's why I asked. You answered my question with another question. Are you unable to explain this Greens corruption?
    Adrianus
    17th Sep 2015
    8:08am
    aly_rob60, our political system in it's current state will never change. Those who expect a different outcome are dreamers. It's like wishing for a third option in the battle of good vs evil.
    Both major sides will always win in their urging of support from the minors.

    Jen if you are seriously looking for corruption within the Greens? Then start with the $500,000 donation from the unions. Ever notice how Di Natalie will never say a bad word about the unions? Another example of why the 2 party system is currently on an open highway to a place called continuity.
    Think about it?
    Jen
    17th Sep 2015
    9:46am
    Get a grip Frank. If that's in fact true, then I ask you, when were donations from Unions illegal? If donations from Unions are illegal, then they must also be from other parties like the Miners, the media, the Banks, and big business, to the LNP.
    Adrianus
    17th Sep 2015
    11:05am
    Jen if you excuse corruption on the basis that it is not illegal then corruption will flourish.

    Any donation above $13,000 is recorded on the AEC register.

    When are donations from Unions illegal? I know you asked rhetorically but it is a good question just the same. One which many of us would like answered. This seems to be a grey area and I'm not qualified to answer that , but if the TURC continues to do it's job we may find out?
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2015
    10:56pm
    Frank

    Liberal Kathy Jackson stole $1.4m from the unions and a CIVIL court stated she had to repay it, however, NO PROSECUTION has been undertaken against her. The prosecutors who act for the Royal Commission EVEN gave her a session on HOW to ANSWER their and OTHERs QUESTIONS when she is called before the Royal Commission. She and her Liberal partner Michael Lawler who was aware of her criminal activities, used the money to have a good time. Michael Lawler was HANDED a position as Commission in Fair Works Aust, by Abbott, took SIX months Sick Leave on FULL PAY whilst he was NOT sick and was part of Kathy Jackson's defence team before the civil courts.

    Is that what you were talking about FRANK>
    Jen
    18th Sep 2015
    7:06am
    It's enough to make you weep. And we look down on Governments in Indonesia et al as being inferior to ours. We are no better. And we should be!
    Adrianus
    18th Sep 2015
    7:46am
    Mussitate, that is a different story. It's not easy breaking the silence of solidarity in organised crime sometimes you need to be smarter than your opponent and give a little to get a lot as a fisherman catches smaller fish in order to catch larger ones. Communist crooks hate that. But they all turn on each other eventually because their prime motivator is greed. It really eats away at them when they think their mates are getting more than they are. Ironic isn't it?
    retroy
    15th Sep 2015
    1:20pm
    A good and principled man bites the dust. While it is most unfortunate he never did quite resonate with the electorate. As a commentator said on Sky last night he was dynamic, decisive, and forthright in real life but put him in front of a TV camera and he did not perform.
    Alas that is where you have to be good today.
    I hope for Australia's sake that Mr Turn bull can get through to people.
    mIKER
    15th Sep 2015
    1:48pm
    If Tony Abbott had been good and principled he wouldn't have lost his job.
    Put him in front of a camera and he did not perform, but his policies spoke for him. He has made bad mistakes with appaling Captain's Picks, broken promises, treated our intelligence with contempt with three word slogans and ultimately lied.
    Maybe Malcolm Turnbull can persuade Australia to return the Coalition at the next election, but it won't happen if he sticks with policies of the hard right on climate change, same sex marriage, war mongering in the Middle East, local up victims of persecution on Manus Island and Nauru, and tax reform that does not address inequality.
    However Bill Shorten had better look out too. If he sticks with being hard right Liberal Lite he will join Abbott on the scrap heap.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    2:53pm
    A good and principalled man does not incarcerate children in offshore detention centres. He does not display bigotted and xenophobic principals. He does not tolerate the ridicule of people in desperate circumstances. He does not advocate the expansion of conflict and ignore the plight of the mentally ill and disabled. A good and principalled man speaks up for those in need without being forced by public opinion to change his mind. Is this Tony Abbott or are we talking Susan Hanson-Young or some other do-gooder two shoes? The yobbo element will never quite get it.
    mangomick
    15th Sep 2015
    4:46pm
    Exactly.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    4:49pm
    Paulodapotter, you are confused about who put the children in the detention centres and who actually got them out. retroy is absolutely correct and calling him a yobbo makes you look pretty stupid.
    mangomick
    15th Sep 2015
    4:50pm
    The only good point I could give Abbott is he did have a high regard for the plight of Australia's remote Indigenous communities that wasn't just for a media beat-up a.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    8:41pm
    Frank, both major political parties are responsible for the incarceration of children. I am far from confused. Just because one started it, doesn't mean the other is innocent. Mangomick thinks that Abbott was genuinely concerned for the plight of indigenous communities and he made a great show of showing his concern, but did he actually do anything? Retroy and yourself are far from correct, but you show that without my help. Those that think beyond the limitations of your narrow views and troll like behaviour can see that without my prompting.
    mangomick
    15th Sep 2015
    9:00pm
    Well Paulo, I'm going to have to retract my statement in regards to his high regard to Indigenous Communities. Guess i should have researched Abbott's achievements in Aboriginal affairs before I typed. That means i can't find any good points about him.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    11:28pm
    I actually studied onshore detention when it was in vogue - and it smelt to high heaven then... so the powers-that-be moved it offshore where we couldn't see it, then shut off communication apart from Morrison's Five O'Clock Follies media decrees.

    Blame belongs with the government, regardless of which party is in power. I hold no brief for any party or politician at this time....
    philary
    15th Sep 2015
    1:40pm
    In a nation of about 26 million people, why bother voting anymore, it's not what the people say,time and time again it has ben over ruled. It's what a hundred or so decide who they want to rule this country.
    LiveItUp
    15th Sep 2015
    2:13pm
    Agree why vote for someone who has already been picked for the job?
    MITZY
    15th Sep 2015
    2:08pm
    I feel the Liberal Party have just replaced one egotist with another egotist.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    2:23pm
    MITZY, if you are looking for a quiet reserved politician, all I can say is good luck.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    1:47am
    Frank you are putting words in Mitzy's mouth... she said ".....replace one egotist with another egotist". This doesn't equate to quiet reserved politician!
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    2:30pm
    I agree with Kaye's point regarding Abbott's reputation in opposition. Tony Abbott lost some political skin as opposition leader. With polls dictating political behaviour now it would not surprise me if most future PMs are sacked by their party after their first budget.
    Polly Esther
    15th Sep 2015
    2:41pm
    The sun sets on another day, and yes Oz you have done it again.
    Hoh hum, I ask will tomorrow be a better day?? anything different?? sadly I think not.
    The same old.
    Just a different totem pole.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    2:58pm
    I understand your disallusionment, but change always occurs. It just never seems to happen in time. We have lost about 20 years of good economic policy where we might have done some permanent good to productivity, education and health. We should have all the advantages of a country like Germany where no one pays higher education fees and everyone is guaranteed of the best possible health care. We spend too much time looking for the yobbo vote.
    Polly Esther
    15th Sep 2015
    3:05pm
    Yes I go along with you there Paulo, you have summed it up it all too well.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    8:47pm
    You haven't been keeping tabs on things longdistancerunner. It was always the perception that the bogans voted ALP, but the LNP has been reaching out for their vote ever since Howard reached out to the so-called battlers. It's the LNP that have cornered the market on the ignorant, xenophobic and socially inadequate. It's the yobbo element that think shock jocks and the likes of Andrew Bolt who have their fingers on the nation's pulse.
    wally
    15th Sep 2015
    8:54pm
    All part of the great Labor discovery of the Whitlam era. Namely their "Bribe a Bludger Policy". Give the bludgers enough money to get by on without working, pay them a baby bonus for every kid they have and provide cheap housing for them in "safe" Labor electorates. The result is that the bludgers will always vote Labor to keep the welfare money coming in, and the Labor pollies stay in parliament.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    9:14pm
    It was Howard's LNP that introduced the baby bonus, one of the many bribes he used to win the election before the one he lost. He was the owner of the "Bribe a Bludger Policy" along with helping to screw up the Middle East; introducing open season on refugees while licking George Bushes' bottom.
    Patriot
    16th Sep 2015
    6:40am
    Paulodapotter
    Bit of the toxic truth leaking into the general environment there!
    Let's be honest, they've been ALL out there.

    The problem is that we - generally - have been asleep at the wheel and have not applied "Due Diligence" to "Keep the Bastards Honest".
    Amadeoz
    15th Sep 2015
    3:10pm
    Until yesterday, mr Shorten had a good chance to win the next elections. Now his his dream has gone as the voters have a better alternative to Mr Abbot. The logical strategy for the Labor party would now be to find a better alternative choice to mr Shhorten, trying to outbid mr Turnbull. The party in power has a disadvantage as there will be quarrels, failures and criticisms. Whereas the opposition can sit back and fuel the accusations. But at the moment of choosing, the latter will have to present a candidate with personality, credibility and vision. Mr Shorten lacks these characteristics and will not unseat a man like Turnbull, as a majority of voters rather prefer then the devil they know than an unproven, unreliable straw an of the union bosses. My wish: call Paul Keating back.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    4:23pm
    Shorten is nothing more or less than a back stabbing union bully boy.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    8:49pm
    There's no doubt the ALP will have to put up or shut up now that they're up against someone that can string a sensible sentence together.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    3:47pm
    Shorten is finished!
    Adrianus
    16th Sep 2015
    4:05pm
    By far the toughest challenge for the ALP. Just where do they even start to look for a candidate with personality, credibility and vision? They have (character) assassinated anyone in the past displaying those qualities saying they lack labor values. Their longest serving PM is now being attacked for having an opinion on the China Export Agreement. When this China Export Agreement gets underway it will boost Australia's growth by 1 or 2%. That's all we need to sail out of the doldrums!!
    Kato
    15th Sep 2015
    3:42pm
    Liberal Labour or whatever bullshit to the people you represent then the revolving door will be the norm.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    8:50pm
    What?
    floss
    15th Sep 2015
    3:53pm
    Lets see how much guts our new PM has will he take on the Multi Nationals as to tax evading I think not, only time will tell.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    4:24pm
    Hockey will present a bill in the next fortnight which if passed will allow the government to track profits of multinationals and demand the appropriate tax be paid. First of its kind. Let's just hope the unions don't disapprove.
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    4:34pm
    Frank
    ALLOW is the operative word.
    WILL they actually pursue this "Hammer & Thongs"?
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    8:51pm
    Poor ol' Frank has such faith in the improbable.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    10:04pm
    What a total moron of a comment Frank. Why would Labor oppose collecting tax from wealthy multinationals who steal from us all? Get off this website please.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    10:12pm
    mick, where have you been all day, reading all your communist paperbacks and staring at your many many 'photos of Joe Stalin? Don't tell people to get off this website you typical commie, you'll be sending tanks into Eastern Europe next.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    11:34pm
    Settle down, boys.... a bit of respect...... this is getting nonsensical.... mick is no commo..... and he's perfectly correct - why would anyone oppose collecting tax long delayed from multi-nationals when everyone has been up in arms about it? No name-calling, mick...

    I was thinking of tanks into East Sydney..... could be painted pink....
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    1:45am
    longdistancerunner
    your previous name wasn't Surfer or surfer was it... your style of insult seems familiar.


    GENERAL
    In regard to multi nationals... prior to Howard, there was a whole specialised UNIT in the Aust. Taxation Office (ATO) which was there to AUDIT multi-nationals. This unit brought in millions with their investigations. Unfortunately, Howard disbanded it and said it cost too much.

    As private enterprise steals a lot of ATO experienced staff by offering them greater wages, etc, it is so very, very difficult to acquire specialised and skilled personnel and with Howard getting rid of them all, it will be a big job to put this unit back together again.
    Adrianus
    16th Sep 2015
    8:40am
    You commies are so negative! But then that's the communist lifestyle.
    Mussitate if as you say Howard disbanded a particular group of seat warmers in the ATO then that does not explain why Rudd/Gillard/Rudd/Bowen/Shorten did nothing except whinge about the problem of tax liability shifting by multinationals?
    Why would Labor oppose collecting tax from multinationals?? Why indeed??
    Shows how much you pay attention mick.
    Don't you find it just a little interesting that initially Labor wanted to take credit for the China FTA but then within the blink of an eye opposed it. Labor had been working on the FTA's for 6 years after they were handed to them by the Howard government.
    Labor now more than ever takes it's advice from the unions. The union movement now has a win at all costs mentality approach with the government. They want to get back in the drivers seat so they can finish the job they started in 2007.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    7:09pm
    Frank
    You are being rather irrational now ... how does specialised and professional people taking on the multinationals and getting the correct amount of tax out of them a problem... even calling those workers 'seat warmers'. Settle down and take a look at your hypocrisy. You do remember, do you not, that Labor did NOT have control of the senate.

    In regard to what Shorten does... he is a right winger, just like your Liberal mates. I would have thought you would like him and his views.

    Re the China FTA... don't be silly, Labor DID initiate and negotiate with China about an FTA. Howard did very little with the Chinese because they did NOT trust him, he was a USA patsy boy who took Australia into an ILLEGAL INVASION of Iraq. So he 'handed' Labor very little to work on.

    If you want to keep being silly, then go back to the very first to interact and negotiate with China....... WHITLAM. One of the first Westerner to do that. So stop being silly.

    Most of the ground work done was done by Labor but tell me Frank, WHY would Labor support an FTA that the Libs hadn't implemented protection for Australian workers. Labor EVEN worked out how to ensure protection of Australian workers without touching the FTA by passing Australian legislation amendments, etc. Of course, the Libs preferred to SELL out Australians and just hand everything over to China... the reason being that if they changed the legislation, it would apply to the TPP as well and the USA would NOT allow that.....DUH... not a good look, I'm afraid.

    No wonder Labor was holding out, it was doing what Australian political representatives SHOULD be doing... looking out for Australia and Australians!

    WHICH unions are you speaking of.... the EMPLOYER UNIONS (eg. chamber of commerce) or WORKER UNIONS. I think BOTH have an "all costs mentality approach with the government"... big and small business versus workers.

    I know which of the UNIONS has the most POWER and the MOST $$$$$ to INTERFERE in the government of our country and our democratic system and it AIN'T worker unions. Grab some reality Frank for goodness sake!
    toot2000 (Sydney)
    15th Sep 2015
    3:56pm
    Sacking a serving PM for no good reason is beyond my comprehension. Disgraceful.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    8:52pm
    Do you live in a bubble, toot2000?
    carmencita
    15th Sep 2015
    4:04pm
    Abbott was certainly not a leadership material. Would Turnbull be any different. Does he have a vision for Australia?
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    4:36pm
    carmencita
    I am certain he has!
    However, telling us "Fair & Square" could ensure we did NOT like him?
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    8:52pm
    Let's hope he does.
    jono46
    15th Sep 2015
    4:37pm
    At least we now know Kaye's politics. Tony was a mistake let's hope Malcolm can do much better. I love Julie Bishop, I think she should be PM.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    8:54pm
    Julie is a follower, not a leader. She has a habit of backing everyone, good and bad. A good example is her role as defence for Hardies over the asbestos scandal.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    11:35pm
    The Asbestos Queen - too hot to handle.....
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    6:35am
    Bishop is just another duplicitous, brown nosing, opportunistic, ruthlessly ambitious slimeball politician mad on the power, prestige and perks of the job.....

    15th Sep 2015
    4:40pm
    God help Australia under Prime Ministership of Turnbull.
    Now how did he get to this point? Well read this well put together biography and know what we are facing. http://stopturnbull.com/ Someone put in a lot of work to pull this together over the years and has clippings etc to back up as well as audio. Well worth refreshing your memories what ever side of politics you support because this man is now in charge and hes not known for his patience and understanding.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    6:07pm
    Big Val after reading that my immediate thought is......he had a good look at Labor and decided against it.
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    6:08pm
    BigVal
    An enlightning bit of Prose which was - obviously written by a staunch Liberal!
    Hope his Grandmother has passed as he certainly would seem to be willing sell her to ANY bidder in order to get what he wants!
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    8:57pm
    If there is no God, then we have to help ourselves. I could do a doco on Turnbull that would show him as a saint or a devil.
    Patriot
    16th Sep 2015
    6:54am
    Paulodapotter
    Facts - Not Illusions!
    That's what counts
    Paulodapotter
    16th Sep 2015
    9:37am
    All media is a selective process with much left out and carefully selected material left in. A good example is the way Lindy Chamberlaine was represented. It's the producer in conjunction with the editior that dictates what view will be taken. As a past ABC writer-director, I know what I'm talking about. Facts via the media becomes subjective. Evaluations should be made by looking at a wide variety of sources.

    15th Sep 2015
    5:15pm
    My god, the corporate media AND the ABC are all smiles with 'we have a saviour', how wonderful and all news, especially ABC Capital Hill are having Liberal upon Liberal tell us how wonderful everything is!!!!

    Funny, the first thing that sprouted from Turnbull's lips was that nothing in regard to policies will change! The environment.... no change; Same sex marriage.... no change;

    Indications are that the Libs absolute Crap NBN... no change; Selling Out Australia... no change; signing up to the TPP and thereby GIVING away OUR laws and Sovereignty... no change.

    No it appears that Turnbull is just a new MOUTH PIECE with a prettier face and a lot, lot more glib with statesman abilities BUT one that has learned his lesson from the last time he was leader of the Liberal Party when he thought he could buck the likes of Murdoch and his corporate cronies. Poor bugger actually thought that he could 'do good' back then BUT since then has toed the mega corporate line and will HOLD TIGHT to his new PM position.

    The big boys got Abbott to do their dirty, dirty work and now have presented us with a new SPARKLY.

    IF the Libs are voted back in next election, Australia will be totally sold off and sovereignty lost and the downward spiral will really begin BECAUSE they will have a new mandate. By the time Australians realise what is happening it will be TOO LATE..... every govt. after that (Labor or Liberal) will have to toe the CORPORATE line..... just like the USA.

    We will have to wait for someone like CORBYN in the UK to take on the Corporations and put control of the country firmly back in the hands of the people. Corbyn is the only bit of good news for a very long time!
    Jen
    15th Sep 2015
    5:40pm
    Totally agree on all points. Was very happy to read about Corbyn's success and could almost feel the winds of change, though I think they'll be a long time getting to Australia.
    Emps
    15th Sep 2015
    7:38pm
    Quote: Mussitate..5:25:YOU wouldn't be a pom would you, they seem to come to Australia, as immigrants and bring their PHOBIA's of other cultures with them?!? Once THEY get into Australia themselves, they are the most racial and haters of any other cultures, other than their own of course. They seem to think this is THEIR country and that THEY alone have the right to come here..... sick dudes aye. " Corbyn is the only bit of good news for a very long time! " . End quote. I hear he is planning a trip. As a POM , replying to a POM and USA hater,i suggest you go back to bed with your other nasty nest of vipers.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    8:31pm
    Mussitate , I think you have a screw loose or you are a very unintelligent person. What is your background, I.e where are you from? I'm typing this slowly because I know that you can't read very quickly and you do love your capital letters don't you?
    It's time for you to go to bed with your 'photo of Joe Stalin to keep you warm maybe.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    8:59pm
    Nice one, Longdistancerunner :)
    Patriot
    15th Sep 2015
    9:27pm
    longdistancerunner & Paulodapotter
    Why don't you be good kids now and "Go & Play in the sand pit.
    You know that it's OK to be seen, but - as it seems to be impossible to tackle the facts rather than the person - you should not be heard
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    10:08pm
    Only if you play with us Patriot but if you upset me I will take my toys and go home just like that back stabbing adulterous union bully boy Bill Shorty, what a man to aspire to for our youth.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    2:08am
    Emps
    No I don't hate poms (or yanks), just dislike the audacity of poms coming into this country and expressing RACIAL dissension and hatred in Australia. Expecting Australia to call for an ALL WHITE immigration policy. It is really unbelievable and is disrupting this MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY and debasing it... it is very UNAustralian and in my opinion, despicable.

    Corbyn, DOES sound great..... NO WAY is HE a RACIST PIG and of course, would be MOST WELCOME in this multi-cultural country.

    As to the vipers.... I think you, yourself would usually go to bed with one already in hand but we won't go there, aye.


    shortdistantstayer
    Well I can see we are going to enjoy your short stay until the next election.... this all happened last time.

    We had a pile of Lib NEO CON supporters come onto this forum and go for everyone, the more childish and unintelligent comments, the better.


    INTERESTING:
    The above comments: Either referred to a previous comment (Emps, you really should respond UNDER that previous comment NOT warp the current comment with such inanities) OR dribbling sh*te like shortdistantstayer. ONLY Jen actually commented on this particular thread!!

    Have you got anything to say about the contents of the comment, so that we can interact and maybe learn something new?
    bookwyrm
    15th Sep 2015
    6:23pm
    Malcolm is just as bad as Tony.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    8:32pm
    Wow bookwyrm. that is a very well thought out and succinct posting from you, were you top of your class?
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    9:00pm
    Hahahaha!
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    8:24am
    Your 'succinctness' is appreciated and would resonate with many....
    Amadeoz
    15th Sep 2015
    6:34pm
    Some commentators here have expressed doubt that the new PM will turn out no different from the previous one as he will be 'guided' by The olde conservatives on the back benches and big business in media and elsewhere. I don,t share that view. Mr Abbot made big promises, remember, and they turned out tO be lies. The public have clearly demonstrated that they don't want what he offered instead. So mr Turnbull will implement what he stands for which is much closer to what the population at large want.he will try to get the cons to agree or tolerate his plans. If they obstruct him, they know what the result will be at the elections. And staying in their jobs will prevail.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    9:02pm
    If those who hold the real power don't like what he says or does, he'll be got rid of like everyone else - Howard, Rudd, Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, et al.
    Amadeoz
    15th Sep 2015
    6:37pm
    Can somebody tell me who are the bright and honest stars on the Labor side. Let's put some Labor shadow/cabinets together with fresh faces.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    8:26pm
    World wide there are no honest labour politicians, they are just experts at spending other people's money until it runs out and then another party gets it, gets in straight and then the thickos vote Labour in again and then the circle starts again. Check the history of most western democracies.
    Paulodapotter
    15th Sep 2015
    9:05pm
    Change only occurs when desperation mounts. Most people in Australia are feeling pretty desperate about our political future. We live in interesting times.
    mangomick
    15th Sep 2015
    9:09pm
    Amadeoz....... Here's a hypothetical question for you. If Joe Hockey was a member of the Labor Party and I put his name down as a possible Labor Treasurer, would you be laughing your head off right now??? Yeah thought you would be..........
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    9:33pm
    Amadeoz, you have them all scratching their heads on that one. Have you got an easier question?
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    10:12pm
    Longdistancerunner: your post indicates the obvious...that you are a total malicious moron.
    1. I have no idea how many honest or dishonest Labor pollies there are worldwide. Neither do you. And of course there are crooks in every political party. This government has its share too.
    2. All governments spend other people's money. This one included. That is what governments do meathead!
    3. The Abbott government added a huge amount of debt to what the previous governments had run up during the GFC.
    Your comment is that of a total dill brain or a troll or both. Probably not worth a response. Oh yes let's run the commie/Labor/union tripe. Dill brain about covers it.
    roy
    15th Sep 2015
    10:24pm
    mick, there's your favourite troll word again, try to be more original there's a good boy. Nobody but nobody wastes money like labour governments world wide, check the history. The unions are the ruination of this country but you rusted on alp voters just can't see it can you? During World War 2 the unions went on strike for more money and would not load munition ships both here and in the UK while our boys were dying overseas, what wonderful people they are. Check the history, it's all true. I would never never vote Labour ever but commies like you are too stupid to see the truth.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    11:39pm
    I thought this post was about Malcolm Turnbull taking over from Tony Abbott... who gives a heap of camel dung about what Labor's lineup is at this moment?

    We'll get to them in the fullness of time.......
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    2:34am
    oh dear this is for the SHORTSIGHTEDWALKER:

    Your comment at the top derides Labor when previously in govt. and although I didn't vote for them the first time up, after seeing their ability to manage the economy during the the GFC, I did in fact vote for them.

    These are facts, dear thing...... DURING the GFC, Labor:

    *Put Australia's economy at the very TOP of the WORLD, ahead of China, Russia, Europe, UK & USA
    *In that international assessment of Australia's economy, Australia ticked MORE good boxes, than has ever been done by any nation before
    *Australia was given a triple AAA rating for the FIRST time EVER
    *Australia's currency was included in the international basket for the FIRST time EVER
    *Australia was one of the most EGALITARIAN (wealth spread out) nation in the World
    *Australia's DEBT was one of the LOWEST in the WORLD
    *Australia had started what was being called a world wonder.... an NBN, that was the best in the world, to every Australia, irrespective of wealth, at NO cost to the individual. An NBN that would put Australia 20 years ahead of the world, so as to promote innovation and technology and the ability of Australians to carve out a FUTURE away from mines and sheep
    *Plans (short, medium and long term) were in place to buffer Aust and allow our leaders to act quickly to adjust and protect Australia's economy
    *Management of Australia's finances and budget were undertaken under solid policies that had been examined for effects on Australia's future economy... even with a hostile Senate, budgets were negotiated and agreed to

    Bugger, I had another three, that I can't recall now... tired, I guess.

    IN COMPARISON:
    We now have a PM who:
    *will stick to Corporate Wish Lists as policies that are not in the interest of Australia's economy
    *has shown that he is totally incapable of managing the Communications Portfolio, let alone run this country... the LIBS NBN was and still is in SHAMBLES (cost blowout - triple, out of date and unable to be upgraded, that slow the USA wouldn't even regard it as a Broadband, that far behind schedule, that virtually nothing has been laid in two years, etc, etc)

    This utter crap about him having been in business and rich means that he is able to manage Australia... sorry but his portfolio gives a lie to that assumption.

    NO SORRY, I give credit where credit is due and Labor proved themselves, although every Australian was NOT allowed to know this because CORPORATE MEDIA refused to tell them.

    I am disappointed that everyone has forgotten how wonderful Tony Abbott was two and a bit years ago and look at the mess the LIBERAL PARTY has caused.... way to willing to bend over for mostly foreign megacorps and their wealthy leashholders ..... NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2015
    2:36pm
    In the Australian of 8 May 2012 Australia's greatest treasurer Wayne Swan said:
    "
    WAYNE Swan says Labor will deliver its promised surplus in a little over 12 months, despite acknowledging the "great uncertainty" of current economic conditions."

    Pardon my mirth!
    PIXAPD
    15th Sep 2015
    9:40pm
    Malcolm Turncoat......he better watch out Julie Bishop will knife him in the back soon...
    Patriot
    16th Sep 2015
    6:58am
    PIXAPD
    As I've said many times (and Malcolm proved it once again): "No honour amongst thieves".
    Amadeoz
    15th Sep 2015
    9:41pm
    I,m not laughing, I am smiling, happy in the wisdom that such situation is hypothetical.
    But I know that there are Hockys in the Labor camp (remember a certain fellow called Swan?). Unfortunately, the majority of career politician are lawyers, so what can we expect?
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    2:38am
    Swan was one of the best Treasurer, this country has seen (see his achievements in my comment above 2:34am). Unfortunately, Australians were only told rubbish by the CORPORATE MEDIA who had self interests in getting one of their boys into power.

    Those very powerful self interests are still there and I can see everyone getting just as conned as they did before.

    This country deserves more than treacherous self interests and that is exactly what the LIBERAL PARTY represent.... IRRESPECTIVE of their LEADER.
    Emps
    16th Sep 2015
    6:37am
    Mussitate, you are another who has been taken in, by labor lies. All that credit you give to Swannie and co,warrants nothing. The GFC did NOT affect Australia, as it did other serious world economies. What a joke...Installing roof batts,and building school halls to save the economy..HAHAHA. I am sure the US and EU leaders thought, WOW, what a brilliant idea coming from Australia's PM and treasurer. Swan is the worlds best, we never thought of that. The true facts are, labor gov where gifted a huge surplus, by the Howard gov,which labor blew in no time at all. Terms of trade in the mining industry where the highest ever, earning Rudd,Swannie,and Gillards gov squillions....but they wanted to bleed the miners more. There was NO Australian banking crisis. Australian banks where 95% protected financially from the GFC. Swannia, the best ever? i know him personally...i dont think so.
    roy
    16th Sep 2015
    8:04am
    Wayne Swan otherwise known as lame duck.
    roy
    16th Sep 2015
    9:09am
    Digging coal and iron ore out of the ground that was so needed by China was what saved Oz from the GFC certainly not the Lame Duck wane Swann, nothing more and nothing less.
    wally
    16th Sep 2015
    10:38am
    OMG! Musso, would you be dopey enough to trust Wayne Swan with your cheque book and be responsible for the day to day control of your household expenses??? Unless you have just emerged after having been trapped in an underground coal mine since 2007, I find your praise of Wayne Swan's performance as treasurer incomprehensible in the extreme.

    Unless you are saying so just to stir us all up!
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    6:08pm
    Emps
    Duh... that is why the GFC didn't affect Australia.... because GOOD policies were in place AND specific plans laid out to deal with it (short, medium & longterm). Get a grip!

    NO Emps Labor were NOT gifted huge surpluses from Howard. HOWARD INCREASED taxes more than ANY other PM and SPENT more than ANY other PM.

    Howard gave us the ILLEGAL invasion of IRAQ and the consequences of that, as well as increasing tax by 10% for every taxpayer and NON-taxpayer - those on benefits and very low incomes.

    This tax - GST - is a very, very INEQUITABLE tax that makes ordinary and lower income earners pay more in direct relation to their income or benefits than those that are well off.

    NOT one business pays GST, essentially only individuals.

    So your bloke Howard raise so much money from the ordinary taxpayer and those on benefits, that he was FLUSH with it. So Emps, what did he do with it, I did NOT see one INFRASTRUCTURE project or any BENEFITS increased or provided to the PEOPLE who contributed the MOST!

    No, Emps, Howard GAVE this money to PRIVATE ENTERPRISES many of which who do NOT PAY any TAXES.
    1.HOWARD gave OUR hard earned money to PRIVATE SCHOOLS whilst cutting back funding to public schools and even closed a pile of public schools. So OUR money went to providing a better education to the children of the WEALTHY... private schools being out of reach for most Australians.
    2.HOWARD gave OUR hard earned money to PRIVATE HEALTH institutions and hospitals and ENSURED that Public health funding was decreased and projects such as public DENTAL was CUT! It was also a mechanism for destroying Medicare FREE health system which is why it now costs a fortune to go to doctors and specialists.

    What was left in the coffers was a TRIFLE and was EARMARKED for the PRIVATE ENTERPRISES detailed above..... Howard had locked in Australia to putting OUR hard earned tax dollars into the very DEEP pockets of the WEALTHY for the WEALTHY.

    RE BANKS.....
    1. the Australian govt (Rudd Gillard Swann) ensured our banks remained secured by letting the WORLD know that OUR banks had a MILLION dollar GOVT GUARANTEE for individuals and different sums for WHOLESALE banking. THIS is what secured our BANKS!! We still have either $200,000 or $250,000 Govt guarantee for individuals per bank.
    2. Australian BANKS are NO LONGER Australian banks, even though no one is allowed to own more than 49%. The reason for FOREIGN ownership of our banks is because the SAME foreign BANKERS own between 40% & 45% of ALL our big four banks (& others). This means:(i) they have people on OUR bank boards, directing them (ii) they have INSIDER knowledge of what each and every on of those banks are doing (iii) because they own so much of ALL our banks, they effectively CONTROL our banking system.

    SO Emps.... got any more FIRFIES!!!!


    shortmemorystick
    No mining was NOT all of it but it did help... Just as we are surviving now without the mining industry DUH! Although, if the idiots don't do something intelligent shortly, our economy will collapse, not because of less mining but because there are no SOLID policies in place and no short, medium, longterm plans in place, to ensure the economy keeps flowing. NO... I do NOT consider MegaCorp WISH LISTS to be solid policies, especially when mega corporate mantra is "more profits with less costs" which does NOT include the need to act in the interests of Australia now or in its future.

    It is obvious you are on here to stop intelligent conversation and put down any one with a non fascist neo con view of the world. THERE were heaps and heaps of them just before the previous election..they disappeared shortly afterwards. So I don't expect anything of intelligence from you dear thing BUT I do enjoy you being here, as I sometimes have lots of fun with snakes in the grass (especially when they are non poisonous and look like slugs).


    wally
    Well that comment was all about absolutely NOTHING.... no facts, no detail, just blurb about nothing and insults. I can see YOU actually wrote that one wally.

    Cheers mate... do come back when you have SOMETHING of relevance to ACTUALLY say... yes.
    Jen
    16th Sep 2015
    6:40pm
    Oh well said, Mussitate! :D
    wally
    17th Sep 2015
    10:42pm
    Hi Musso. Your comments are, unfortunately, all too predictable these days and it shows that you are trapped in a mental rut of your own making. Try to be more original in future.
    Amadeoz
    15th Sep 2015
    9:57pm
    Will ms Bishop one daY seize the opportunity to roll her boss? I don't think so. She is not confident enough to take on the top job? As someone observed, she is a follower, not a leader. Besides, in circles of power, women clash with the atavistic male culture, still so prevalent on this island. The liberals are now going to put more women in ministerial positions, just to show how 'liberal' they are; but it,s pure for the looks, no real Sharing of power. Ms Bishop is happy to play the second fiddle, she feels safe in the shadow of a male.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    2:41am
    I don't like Bishop BUT her ability, management and sharpness would probably run rings around her male colleagues BUT the Liberal Party would NEVER take instructions from a woman. They would spend all their time undermining her.
    roy
    16th Sep 2015
    8:03am
    I bet Mussitate's day job is a brain surgeon, he is so clever.
    Macca
    15th Sep 2015
    10:11pm
    I have been over the years both a labour and liberal voter.Other than when Nev Wran was in I have never prospered under either a state or federal labour gov.I am currently a Liberal party member and considering not renewing my membership. In saying this I will never vote for Labour and Bill Shorten.Does not leave me much choice.Over the past 2 years people have derided Tony Abbot for no other reason than he is Tony Abbott .and is loyal and not for the good he is trying to do. Bill Shorten offers nothing and is short on ideas!Don't turn your back!Going from a union member to self employed over a period of 20 years you begin to think about how out of touch todays pollies are.All I know is we cant afford to keep paying welfare and screwing the workers at the same time and take in refrugees.
    We also need to see that someone that has saved all there lives be not disadvantaged against someone who has pissed there money up against the wall!
    People with genuine needs should take priority however. Can Malcolm measure up?
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    10:15pm
    I vote for neither as both are pretty bad. Unlikely that Australia is going to be able to avoid a recession soon as the country has been set up to fail....compliments of both sides of politics.
    Macca
    15th Sep 2015
    11:18pm
    Are the comments against Tony Abbott because he has Christian values ?Or are they reliant on welfare or union bias?And before you reply Iam all for welfare for genuine persons and wage rates.If you vote for Labour as it is now you vote for unions welfare tax on climate and anything they can think of.We need to encourage people to work not only for themselves but for the country .We need a fairer and incentive to work taxes!Also not to over tax retirees who are trying to self fund.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    2:58am
    Macca

    Retirees that self fund, don't get taxed on their super other than 15% in their super fund. If they work as well, they ONLY get taxed on their wages or business earnings, etc... NOT their super. Not like Pensioners, who will lose their pension if they work and if they do work or earn income, their pension is ADDED to their taxable income and they are TAXED on the whole lot.

    So give a thought to pensioners who don't have super funds, aye!

    Re: Christian values..... didn't know that it was a Christian value to TAKE money from the poorer in society and hand it out to the wealthy and well off... could have sworn the Bible and the Pope was of the opposite view.

    What Union bias... UNIONS are there to get a better deal for WORKERS or in the case of UNIONS for EMPLOYERS (ie. Chamber of Commerce), to pay as least as possible (although not very Christian).

    It is the RIGHT of both types of UNIONS to achieve their aims, it is a normal function of the MARKET to have EMPLOYER UNIONS and WORKERS UNIONS to NEGOTIATE conditions and pay.

    I know WHY people don't look at these things properly and it is because CORPORATIONS owned their own MEDIA and fill everyone's heads with nonsensical headlines and constant union bashing. Not explaining, at all, that there are EMPLOYER UNIONS such as the Chamber of Commerce who ALSO have to be registered with Fair Work Australia, etc. as well as worker unions.

    BOTH employer and worker unions have their place in the economy and without them we would end up like other countries and Australia is a wealthy nation, so the people should be accorded a fair wage and conditions NEGOTIATED between the UNIONS of workers and employers.

    No way will the INDIVIDUAL worker be able to even decipher employment law, let alone understand and sign their name to a contract without help and without some assistance. Workers are not stupid, just in a different field of work. Would a solicitor know how to wire his house safely... no.
    roy
    16th Sep 2015
    8:01am
    Mussitate, what on earth are the capital letters for?
    roy
    16th Sep 2015
    8:08am
    Mussitate, answer my question, where are you from?
    mangomick
    16th Sep 2015
    9:33am
    Macca do Christian values include putting young children in detention centres and denying them the freedom of growing up in a country free of civil war?
    Oh that's right, It was the so called Christians who brought in the Inquisition where people were tortured and burnt alive. So maybe tony does have deep seated circa 1300s style christian values.
    Comments aren't aimed at Tony Abbott because you think he has Christian values, It's aimed at him because he was a lousy Political leader with no Charisma......
    roy
    16th Sep 2015
    9:38am
    They have to seek asylum in the first safe country they get to, not country shop as they do.
    Paulodapotter
    16th Sep 2015
    9:52am
    Macca, if Tony Abbott has Christian values, then I'm glad I'm an atheist.
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2015
    2:24pm
    "They have to seek asylum in the first safe country they get to, not country shop as they do."
    What you said is correct Longdistancerunner. Country shopping is the name of the game..whichever country has the best standard of living and welfare. Heard it from the mouth of a 'refugee' on radio the other day...he was heading for Sweden after going through a number of other safe countries.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2015
    11:27am
    "They have to seek asylum in the first safe country they get to". So a country that provides no opportunity, no support in any way, and even treats them as inferior rubbish, is 'safe'?

    Our Lady In KL (once again) teaches refugee Burmese children about Malaysian culture etc... to give them a chance with a government that treats them like invaders (sounds familiar). she receives no pay and no government assistance in doing this.

    Photos show very serious faced kids with a smiling Chinese lady teacher... you telling me those kids don't deserve a better chance, and that Malaysia, currently in the throes of some racial/religious conflicts which will only get worse (the Chinese occasionally burn a few Muslims - the Muslims tell the Chinese, who've been there for millenia, to get out of THEIR country) - is 'safe'?
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2015
    11:27am
    "They have to seek asylum in the first safe country they get to". So a country that provides no opportunity, no support in any way, and even treats them as inferior rubbish, is 'safe'?

    Our Lady In KL (once again) teaches refugee Burmese children about Malaysian culture etc... to give them a chance with a government that treats them like invaders (sounds familiar). she receives no pay and no government assistance in doing this.

    Photos show very serious faced kids with a smiling Chinese lady teacher... you telling me those kids don't deserve a better chance, and that Malaysia, currently in the throes of some racial/religious conflicts which will only get worse (the Chinese occasionally burn a few Muslims - the Muslims tell the Chinese, who've been there for millenia, to get out of THEIR country) - is 'safe'?
    guyra2
    15th Sep 2015
    11:27pm
    Far be it for me to knock Tony Abbott...........After all he did that every time he Ahhh...Ahhh'd through another electoral stumble.
    Anonymous
    15th Sep 2015
    11:40pm
    Yeah - but he had to practice hard to get all those arrr's and errr's in the right place - you've no idea how hard that is!
    PIXAPD
    16th Sep 2015
    7:44am
    I do not care if Blinky Bill becomes Treasurer so long as the aged pension rises....that will bring me up to about $1,000 fortnight
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2015
    11:29am
    http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/laughter.gif
    jessej
    16th Sep 2015
    9:25am
    WE now have two Labor parties in parliament LABOR/LIBERAL and LABOR/unions
    Turnbull is no more Liberal than little Billy Shorten
    Paulodapotter
    16th Sep 2015
    9:30am
    Nonsence!
    roy
    16th Sep 2015
    9:35am
    What an inane statement jessej.
    Paulodapotter
    16th Sep 2015
    9:39am
    Sorry, can't spell "nonsense", but the meaning stands.
    JAID
    16th Sep 2015
    9:51am
    jessej probably meant to use a small 'l' in that last sentence.

    Just the same, I hope he is, that is, much more liberal, truer to the values of liberty, freedom of enterprise and consensual government. Be nice if the entire Liberal party lived by those values also.

    The differences between the parties may not be great on a universal scale but it would be more difficult for Labor or the Greens to fully accept liberal philosophy. The extent of individual freedom and common good available is too easily mingled with the convenience of compliance.

    Still, I don't hold out too much hope for early and thorough Liberal Party adoption either.
    JAID
    16th Sep 2015
    9:39am
    This 'revolving door PM' tag has been bandied around mindlessly. The nature of our system is to test encumbancy. Sometimes it works OK, sometimes, perhaps more fruitful outcome is possible but comparative balance is haphazard enough to think that a handful of years hardly shows inevitabilty. Include the value of agile management and this constant testing will not be easy to relegate to mildly humorous history.
    Paulodapotter
    16th Sep 2015
    9:40am
    Good observation.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    7:49pm
    JAID
    Yes, but we have not had such blatant bias and interference in our democratic processes, to such an extent before. History shows that the corporate media had their biases but it was generally held in check, however, of late we have had Newscorp continue with it's USA style blanketing of the public with THEIR pick of who should be in and who should not be in control of Australia.

    EVEN if a Liberal was wanting to do the right thing by Australia and not pander to (foreign) mega corporations needs and requirements (mainly PROFITS), they would get despicable press coverage and turfed out. This happened to Turnbull the first time round, he forgot himself and asked WHY instead of HOW HIGH when the mega powers gave him a directive.

    Effectively, Liberals AND Labor did things FOR Australia before our democratic system was railroaded.

    Now, all we get is mega powers propaganda and indoctrination and the flexing of their muscles to show that they can do ANYTHING and will do anything to ensure we vote for THEIR CHOICE and that their choice, does what they are told.

    When the people can see through and don't like the EXTREME neocon agenda for Australia, they simply throw out the previous implementor and put in a new one. As someone said, we have a new salesperson.... that's all. Pity, I used to like Turnbull when he had a backbone.
    Teddyboy.
    16th Sep 2015
    9:44am
    Let's hope Malcolm has got the message that we do not want to be governed by right wing loonies any moreethan we would want the ones from the whacky left.
    Paulodapotter
    16th Sep 2015
    9:55am
    Agreed. We need measured innovation with an eye on the future.
    mangomick
    16th Sep 2015
    1:43pm
    If you mean we need smart forward thinkers and doers and not staid conservatives running the show,then I'm aboard there. While i don't think Shorten is Prime Minister material I'm hoping that he is smart enough to work in with Turnbull and that Turnbull is smart enough to work in with Shorten to get this country up and running. Just hoping that Turnbull doesn't think that all he needs to do is to explain to struggle street how fragile things are world wide and then expect them alone to have to do all the heavy lifting while Corporate greed and profits are allowed to run unchecked.
    Adrianus
    16th Sep 2015
    11:34am
    Turnbull's claim that we don't have a new salesman we have new direction has been echoed in the first opinion polls. It seems 70% prefer Malcolm Turnbull while 20% prefer Bill Shorten as PM. Can someone explain to me how accurate Turnbull's claim is? Perhaps the ABC Fact Checker will get onto it one day?
    Adrianus
    16th Sep 2015
    3:18pm
    I think I get it? No new salesman, no new policies but a new direction. And that new direction is......we stop whinging about Tony Abbott.
    mick can stop his whining now and fly over to North Korea to join the military parade.
    It's now Labor who are left with the relics of the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd horror years, with their leader assuming the title of Mr 20%.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    6:51pm
    Frank
    Please tell me EXACTLY what 'horror' you speak of. Australia had the BEST economy in the WORLD; triple AAA rating - first time ever; AU$ included in international mix - first time ever; one of the MOST egalitarian in the WORLD;.... I have more but I don't really want to over tax you.

    Oh! and why would mick want to go to North Korea... it is like saying you are a neo con fascist, so you would be happy in Saudi Arabia..... DUH!
    Ladybug
    16th Sep 2015
    12:05pm
    No matter who took over, NOBODY could be worse than Abbott. As for Shorten, he should follow Abbott into the sunset.
    Jen
    16th Sep 2015
    1:00pm
    Agreed, Ladybug. Now is the time for Labor to act and get rid of this small l liberal leader and replace with someone with core Labor values and start being a proper opposition. If they don't, we may very well be stuck with this highly damaging government for another 3 years.
    Anonymous
    17th Sep 2015
    2:30pm
    The CFMEU will dictate who heads the Labor Party.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2015
    12:21am
    Radish (F)

    Foreign megacorps dictate to whoever leads the Liberal Party.

    I personally would prefer the CFMEU because their dictates would be restricted to worker benefits which is NOT that bad.

    WHEREAS foreign megacorps will stop at nothing to FILL their GREEDY POCKETS and that includes destroying Australia.

    Docking brains at door is a really bad practice.
    Adrianus
    18th Sep 2015
    7:53am
    Mussitate you need to start thinking for yourself.

    "I personally would prefer the CFMEU because their dictates would be restricted to worker benefits which is NOT that bad."
    This shows really poor judgment on your part. You obviously are in denial and disagree with the vast majority of patriotic Australians. Are you aware of the Trade Union Corruption Royal Commission?
    mangomick
    19th Sep 2015
    6:15pm
    Is there corruption amongst some Union hierarchy. Some say most definately. But it takes two to Tango. Large Multi national companies are paying kick backs for contracts and favourable work agreements world wide. To pretend there is only union corruption is laughable. Lets get it all out in the open and see if anyone is left standing. Lets have an open Government tendering process while we are at it and see which companies receive favourable treatment and then you might see how that relates to political Donations across all Parties.

    16th Sep 2015
    3:49pm
    Heaven help Australia if we ever get a left winger like Corbyn.

    He is all for opening the floodgates for all and sundry and who want to enter the UK.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    6:47pm
    Oh! you don't care that he will wrest the control of the UK from foreign bankers or give back free health care or improve the economy.... just as long as he doesn't bring any brown or black people into the UK, yes!

    16th Sep 2015
    6:00pm
    Turnbull has apparently already confirmed that nothing will change. It's reported he is totally committed to all of the policies that made Abbott so unpopular - including $100K uni degrees, pension reductions, increased costs to see a GP, and reduced efforts to address climate change.

    What Australia really needs is a clean sweep - a new breed of politician that can revive the mentality that underpinned the Australia of the 1960s. We need an end to greed and selfishness and a commitment to fairness, preservation of our natural resources, and focus on building a healthy nation and a healthy society in which everyone can feel safe, secure and respected. We need real leaders. We need heroes in politics - heroes whose focus is the welfare of the nation, not their own selfish wants. Good luck finding such leaders. Certainly Turnbull doesn't fit the bill.
    Anonymous
    16th Sep 2015
    6:14pm
    It is a tad worse than that Rainey, Turnbull is OPPOSING legislation that stops mega corps from UNFAIRLY overriding smaller business in Australia. It is the NATIONALS that have had two Nationals abstain from voting and three people actually cross the floor on this and supported the Greens, so that the legislation is heard properly.

    No, Turnbull has learned that he must toe the line or he will be out. Since he was dumped he has lost his backbone and is pathetic.

    He won't support the Fair Competition legislation because it will simply be another LAW that the TPP will CLASH with and Australia will lose out no matter what.

    Turnbull, in reality couldn't give a sh*te, he is not what he used to be.
    particolor
    16th Sep 2015
    7:07pm
    The Old Grey Mal is not what He used to Be !! :-) :-)
    BUT.. It was a bloody pleasure to turn the News on tonight and see a fresh face that I could understand !! :-) :-)

    16th Sep 2015
    7:21pm
    Well, how wonderful is that, Turnbull is really bending over to all and sundry that are really running Australia.


    "One of the Prime Minister Turnbill's first acts has been to reintroduce the Abbott Government's proposal to force young jobseekers to wait four weeks for Newstart support"

    IF this is the Turnbull Government's first statement on the Abbott Budget, it reflects exactly how a wealthy PM couldn't give a damn about ordinary Australians that are doing it tough. A young kid without help could end up on the streets, selling him/herself, doing crime and eventually drugs.

    Is this the way we want Australia to go... crime and drugs out of control.
    Emps
    16th Sep 2015
    11:47pm
    Mussitate, i am imagining you strutting around a room, like a ponce, speaking verbal garbage to yourself before, spewing it all down in text and posting it here. The volume of crap you type in this thread illustrates that you have no other thing to occupy yourself with. Go for a walk outside. Have a beer. Dream up a one liner or two: something entertaining, instead of your mass torrent of boring nothingness.
    mangomick
    17th Sep 2015
    12:14am
    There shouldn't be a 4 week wait for Newstart. It should be straight on to a government or industry assisted training scheme. It's total B.S that places like meat works in Australia are using the 457 Visa scheme to bring in Brazillian meat workers when we are actually paying our youth to stay home on the dole. Our primary producers are relying on backpackers to pick their crops and we are giving our youth money to stay at home. How about building Government training hostels in Regional Australia where our youth can get cheap accommodation while learning basic farm skills and getting off the welfare merry go round. Bottom line is ...only help those who are prepared to try to help themselves. That means getting off their bums and being prepared to move around and looking for work.
    Jen
    17th Sep 2015
    6:58am
    Emps, you've obviously lost touch with reality and can't tell common sense from the crap you write. Take off your blinders and re-read what Mussitate has said. He's absolutely correct.

    This one unfair imposition on the youth of Australia won't just affect young job seekers, it will also affect their parents.

    Mangomick, we definitely need some vision and good ideas with regard to agriculture jobs but we're stuck with governments who can only think of punishing job seekers as opposed to enabling them to take these jobs. The owners/managers of these farms also need to be pulled into line over wages and conditions, because, as Four Corners pointed out, they are not doing the right thing on several counts.
    Emps
    17th Sep 2015
    7:20am
    Jen, You ask me to re-read what Mussitate writes. No way, its boring; paragraph after paragraph of warped leftish ideology, with derogatory remarks against Poms, yanks, and individuals here who write opposing views. He loves to pontificate, and throw in some insults. Works both ways.
    Adrianus
    17th Sep 2015
    9:03am
    Mussitate, you chose an appropriate handle.
    mangomick
    17th Sep 2015
    11:45am
    I think Jen the four corners report was in reference to the middle man who is charging honest farmers the correct hourly rate for workers but passing on a pittance to the workers who they have supplied to the farmer.
    During my school days In Victoria I spent many summers picking fruit alongside many uni students doing the same and we were never dudded by any farmer nor have any of my kids, who also spent a lot of their summer vacation harvesting fruit as well as doing junk mail deliveries after or before school to earn themselves some money. My kids all learnt a good work ethic at an early age and all went on to university. Perhaps we need to look further than the Government to blame for the plight of the young unemployed.A four week wait may sound harsh and some may think that it may be the lever that some parents and youths need to encourage them take that first small step to prevent them languishing on a life of welfare but by the time they are that old I think it is too late. I guess technology has to be blamed as all those petrol pumping and check out jobs that the youth used to have to gain some kind of work ethic have now disappeared or are fast disappearing.
    Jen
    17th Sep 2015
    2:34pm
    Mangomick, you are correct, in that it was the middle man who employ these young people, not the farmer, however, the farmer uses the middle man knowing full well that his workers are being ripped off. The Government as well as the farmers and the middle man should all be pulled into line over this because the end result of this transaction is, the young people doing the actual WORK are being ripped off. Not to mention some of the treatment the farmers dish out. As usual the most vulnerable pay the price.

    All the while the Govt. continues bringing in 457 Visa holders by the thousands then punishes the young person for not having a job.
    Adrianus
    17th Sep 2015
    3:48pm
    The Howard government may have been the architect of the 457, but it was Labor who made them more attractive by having them serve as a stepping stone to permanent residency. For Labor to complain about 457s is a bit rich.
    Jen
    17th Sep 2015
    5:55pm
    It doesn't matter who the architect was or who made them "more attractive." The fact is, when they take the jobs of our young unemployed, it's wrong. There are genuinely worthwhile reasons for the 457 visa but the fact is now, they're harming our employment of young people, with thousands flooding in to take the work. And they've created a whole new corrupt industry, that of the employment agencies who're ripping everyone off right under the government's nose, as they turn a blind eye.
    mangomick
    17th Sep 2015
    6:47pm
    Bit hard on the farmer Jen. I remember some time ago the Goverrnment welfare man who was questioning a farmer about his employees and their pay rates and conditions. So the farmer told him about his back packers and the rates and conditions he pays them and the 457 visa holders and how much he pays them and his casual employees and how much he pays them. And the welfare man said is that all and the farmer said that was all except for the idiot who worked from sun up till sun down, was happy to get one meal a day and worked all week-end for next to nothing and the Welfare bloke said." Well that's who I want to talk to." And the farmer said, "you are talking to him.......
    Jen
    17th Sep 2015
    7:00pm
    Regardless of how hard a person works in his own business, he still has to ensure the people who work for him are paid and treated right.
    mangomick
    17th Sep 2015
    7:20pm
    Geez Jen you need to lighten up a bit mate, That was an old farmer joke.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2015
    12:45am
    Frank
    It was Abbott that opened the floodgates on 457 visas and allowed corporations and businesses to bring them in by the plane loads.... virtually NO paperwork required was the idiots cry. Abbott then underfunded the body that oversaw 457 visa holders where not abused or the corporations/businesses didn't abuse the system..... we know what the end result is:

    1. Australian workers out of work, through no fault of their own
    2. Abuses of the system and 457 visa holders rights and obligations by corporations
    3. 457 visa holders, disappearing once their jobs dried up and illegally staying in Aust
    4. No VETTING of 457 visa holders.... anyone could come in (murderers, rapists, etc)
    5. Incompetence in NOT ensuring, BEFORE opening the floodgates, that there was a system in place to track/monitor ALL visa holders and deport them when they overstayed their visas
    6. The ECONOMY is badly affected by the huge unmonitored 457 visa entrants into Australia.... (i) They send their money home - out of Australia (ii) The money that would normally be spent in Australia to support small businesses is gone and causes even more JOBS to disappear (iii) when small business flounders then people lose their jobs, homes and even their families, the whole economy takes a hit and a downward spiral occurs.

    Emps
    When you start from scratch to be a nasty twat.... you can expect nothing nice in return. Can't remember you from any previous comments but you have rushed in insulting people left right and centre and expect everyone to then bow to your stupidity.

    You get what you give old thing. Do enjoy someone who likes to dish it out but gets affronted when it boomerangs right back at them.

    mangomick & Jen
    Nice joke.... AND good response by Jen (I'm sure Jen did recognise the joke but was keen to press her point)
    ALL in ALL....Nice discussion ..... enjoyed it.
    Jen
    18th Sep 2015
    6:59am
    Exactly Mussitate.

    My point stands, Mangomick.
    Emps
    18th Sep 2015
    7:06am
    Mussitate, dear thing, The only,repeat only, one i have disrespected in any of my posts here is your egotistical self. Find one that insults any other...you cannot my dear (oh dear,now you have me using your dear word). I initially remarked on your tirade against POMS and the USA. Nasty insults, particularly against the British, and your perverse opinion of them in Australia. As a Brit, naturally i respond to enemies such as yourself, and if i am a twat..as you say, you are a f***k**g C**nt.
    mangomick
    18th Sep 2015
    11:10am
    Does anyone want to buy a vowel..............
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2015
    5:01pm
    Emps

    Nice colours mate! Keep that sort of thing flapping about and it will ensure everyone will be backing away and looking at you with raised eyebrows. Twat, in this particular case, is I feel, rather appropriate.



    mangomick
    Nah, thanks mate. Funnily enough I worked it out without any vowels. Made me chuckle though.
    geomac
    17th Sep 2015
    7:01pm
    Time may improve things but not it seems for quite a while. Renewables still under attack while the rort of direct action stays in place. Water has gone to agriculture and out of environment, thought water was part of the environment. Same sex marriage no change, republic no change and emissions targets no change.
    So the change is someone who can speak more than three word slogans. Someone who can trust his brain not to lapse behind his mouth. For that we can be grateful. Not sure about the rest though because its still the same bag of damaged goods with just a new spruiker.
    Adrianus
    17th Sep 2015
    7:40pm
    Does anyone else feel like the Asian Century went by too quickly?
    What actually happened to the Asian Century?
    Where's the white paper?
    Adrianus
    17th Sep 2015
    7:43pm
    It's just that it feels like the Asian Century only lasted about a week. And now that the unions are instructing Shorten to oppose the China Export Agreement it feels like a distant memory.
    mangomick
    17th Sep 2015
    8:44pm
    6 to 7 % growth in China when the west is languishing hardly signals the end of the Asian century.
    looking at CHAFTA it guarantees access for contractual service suppliers for them(China) for 4 years for us 1 year. There's guaranteed places for them for 1800 persons in four occupations, no mention for any guaranteed places for us. Provides work and holiday visas for 5000 Chinese a year but no mention of work and holiday visas for us . Australia have always been regarded as mugs by multinational companies and other governments (look at the royalties we have accepted for our resources and minerals ) You can hardly argue against any Government or opposition trying to get the best shake for this Country. We don't need to kowtow to foreign governments just to get a few crumbs. Though we would have learnt that lesson after we got all our pig iron back in the shape of bullets.
    No country or the World can sustain infinite Growth. The sooner we learn that and plan for that future by maintaining strategic reserves of our resources the better off we will be in the long run.
    geomac
    17th Sep 2015
    8:57pm
    Frank you seem to think that wanting aussies to be given the chance to apply for jobs in Australia is an error of judgement by Labor. That is after all what Labor is concerned about in the China deal. As I understand it nothing needs to be changed with the wording in the deal but our laws need to be tightened up which should be no problem for the govt if it is so confident of protection for aussie workers in the deal. The solution is straightforward, tighten the laws.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2015
    12:49am
    mangomick & geomac

    Bloody excellent comments, enjoyed them very much. CHEERS!
    Adrianus
    18th Sep 2015
    9:20am
    The Asian Century white paper was mostly the work of former treasury secretary Ken Henry. There were about 100 public servants who worked on it for a year. The paper set out 25 objectives for Australia to take advantage of economic growth in Asia, including more Asian language training in schools. Top of the list was Mandarin.
    As with the majority of Labor's headline grabbers, no funding was ever tied to the recommendations of the white paper and it did not lead to any major changes in the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.
    In fact it was just more borrowed rhetoric used to make the Unions look smart when they were in government.
    If their intentions were true and patriotic they would have signed FTAs with Korea and China in the six years of opportunity. But now we know why they couldn't do it. The same reason they couldn't control our borders.
    Alas the Labor/Union party are just the party of big ideas.
    And they are borrowed ideas at that!
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2015
    5:04pm
    Frank

    Your conclusions do NOT match your hypothesis but the first paragraph was interesting.
    Adrianus
    19th Sep 2015
    1:19pm
    More unsubstantiated rhetoric from the master mussitator.

    18th Sep 2015
    10:45am
    Different Government same policies. Nothing has changed only Turnbull will be more articulate about them.

    18th Sep 2015
    10:54am
    I think it's about time our Australian government began to debate in parliament in a civilised and democratic manner. There should be fines for the use of coarse and denigrating language in parliamentary debates as well as bans.
    Anonymous
    18th Sep 2015
    5:18pm
    Jackie

    Two good comments.

    The second one is worth thinking more on, as what is occurring now is not doing a lot.

    One option would be if we had school kids submitting a question which the parliamentarians are required to answer. For example, one PUBLIC school a day should be allowed to submit a question. Probably make more sense than some of the questions asked by politicians and would relate to what our future generations want for Australian.
    geomac
    19th Sep 2015
    12:48pm
    To date, Turnbull PM appears committed to backing the party line.

    He has flagged there will be no changes to the same-sex marriage policies which could see gay unions kept on hold for at least two years. Ditto climate change with the emissions target remaining both futile and an international joke. Turnbull's decision to return water policy to the thirsty National Party is construed as the price of admission to The Lodge. Similarly locked in are $100,000 university degrees, the moneyless month for young dole seekers, cuts to funding for domestic violence services, cuts to the ABC, and the continuation of the MH370 search. However a major reversal of plans to send submarine building contracts overseas appears to be in the wind with Abbott acolyte Kevin Andrews backing the move and trailing his coat to retain the Defence Minister post. Christopher Pyne is mentioned in dispatches for the defence job to help retain his Adelaide-based seat.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/malcolm-turnbull-a-man-of-many-phases-20150918-gjpj66.html#ixzz3m9IHqAik
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    Not Senile Yet!
    19th Sep 2015
    1:59pm
    Regardless of who is the Current Puppet Prime Minister...it is still the same Party Caucus and the same Party that called the shots when Tony was PM.
    They are ruthless liars...blatant election promise breakers.....and have no intention of changing their policies whatsoever!!!
    If anyone here thinks voting for this Party Puppet is any different from voting for any Party puppet.....then they are definitely going soft upstairs!!!
    As for getting rid of Tony.....they haven't.....just taken the leadership off him!! Should he decide to retire immediately....he still gets the golden handshake and all his privilages!!!
    Now We have to pay for TWO PM packages instead of one!!!
    Time to stop voting for these Corrupt Party Puppets and their invisible Caucuses!!!
    Stop believing all the Party Propaganda...be left or Right....they are all just pigs at the Public Tax Trough.....remove them ALL.
    Start Voting Independent and take AWAY their control of OUR Parliament and OUR Taxes!!!
    Anonymous
    19th Sep 2015
    5:35pm
    No, definitely NOT Senile Yet

    Passion AND intellect, enjoyed that!
    Emps
    21st Sep 2015
    5:00pm
    Bob Hawke, Paul Keating, Malcolm Fraser, John Howard. Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard, all sucking up their wonderful perks and taxpayer funding. Tony Abbot is about to join the club. Happy days lie a head for him. Independents are lone voices, or a small group who gather, generally disagree with each other on almost anything, therefore, never able to form consensus over important policies. A wasted vote.
    Adrianus
    21st Sep 2015
    6:38pm
    Yes I know Not Senile, Mussitate, Patriot, mick and a few others are saying there is a big swing to Independents by all the so called intelligent voters because they are swinging away from the 2 main parties.
    In my humble opinion, I cant see that. I could be wrong, but when I look at the Canning By Election the numbers don't seem to support that theory.
    The Independent candidate Teresa Van Lieshout has totalled 512 votes so far with about 80% of the votes counted. Maybe NSY, you or mick can explain this phenomenon which is only visible to those with the superior intellect?
    geomac
    21st Sep 2015
    7:39pm
    Frank you are missing out on an important point which is the independent and qualities that person may have. An independent won the seat of Indi from the atrocious Mirabella because she had the right qualities as a person. She beat the party machine. The toxic conduct of Abbott and crew plus the Labor ructions have people looking for the alternative. Turnbulls new leadership I hope will mean Shorten needs to engage on policy and ideas. Only time will tell if MT is a new salesman selling the same IPA rubbish or represents mature leadership and policies.
    talofa
    21st Sep 2015
    2:48pm
    I am a green voter but I prefer turnbull anytime at least he is intelligent but does not
    patronise people talofa


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