Malcolm Turnbull's poll victory

Prime Minister Turnbull is the most popular new PM of the past two decades says new poll.

Malcolm Turnbull's poll victory

The latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll suggests that Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is the most popular new prime minister of the past two decades with new approval ratings higher than those of John Howard, Kevin Rudd, Julia Gilliard and Tony Abbott.

The poll has Malcolm Turnbull with 67 per cent of the preferred Prime Minister vote with Bill Shorten on 21 per cent and uncommitted at 12 per cent. According to the poll, the Coalition has, for the first time since March 2014, regained the lead in the two-party preferred vote with a 53-47 lead.

Approval ratings also bode well for Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull in comparison to his opponent, with 68 per cent of voters approving of the way he is handling his job and just 17 per cent disapproving giving him a net score of 51 per cent. Mr Shorten has scored a net rating of minus 24 per cent with just 32 per cent of voters approving of his job as Opposition Leader and 56 per cent disapproving.

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Opinion: Stability a welcome change

While it’s just been a touch over a month since Malcolm Turnbull became Prime Minister, you can already feel a sense of stability that just wasn’t there under the previous leadership.

Voters were asked to rate Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten on aspects like competency, strength as a leader, trustworthiness, and grasp of economic policy. Of the 10 positive attributes, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull held a significant lead.

Gone is the daily circus we came to expect under the previous leadership. We are left with a prime minister and government that we feel we can trust to lead our country in the right direction.

Prime Minister Turnbull’s honeymoon period will be over after Christmas and his most important challenge heading into the next election will be to deliver a budget that puts Australia on the right path as well as appealing to the voting public.

How do you rate Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s first month in the top job? What are the implications of this poll result for the opposition and its leader, Bill Shorten? 





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    Rosscoe
    19th Oct 2015
    10:03am
    Same LNP govt - lots of talk, no action! Where's our NBN? Oh, that's right. Christopher Pyne, the fixer, will get it done.
    Bonny
    19th Oct 2015
    11:59am
    I've got my NBN so something has happened.
    Rosscoe
    19th Oct 2015
    12:30pm
    Nothing has happened, Bonny. You're one of the lucky ones. There's a heck of a lot of us unlucky ones all over Australia. That's my annoyance with this federal government - people have push them via Facebook, twitter and other means. And the "media" isn't doing its job by fawning over Turnbull either. They promised the world and broke most of their promises. It doesn't matter who the front-man is, most of the LNP MPs are useless.
    Adrianus
    19th Oct 2015
    12:38pm
    Rosscoe you can make up stories like "They promised the world and broke most of their promises." But it does not make it a fact. Negative people will always feel hard done by regardless of who the PM is.
    Scrivener
    19th Oct 2015
    12:54pm
    Rosscoe, that is spot on. I nearly wet myself laughing when you said 'the fixer' would deliver my NBN.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    1:22pm
    Pretty spot on Roscoe: different leader, same policies....and still after ordinary Australians. You may have noticed a couple of days ago that this government snuck some legislation through the senate which HIDES the financial affairs of the richest amongst us and multinationals. This government and its big business backers do not want the nation to see how little tax they pay so they changed the law. Transparency? Open debate? We'll have none of that!!!!!
    Sceptic
    19th Oct 2015
    2:49pm
    Are you idiots for real? Under the previous system, unless you live in cloud cuckoo land you know that the NBN timetable as promised would never have been delivered on time. It was already 90% behind forecast 2013
    Luchar
    19th Oct 2015
    4:33pm
    Exactly right, Sceptic. The most recent report indicated an expectation that the roll out will be complete by 2020. It will be well over budget, but by only a fraction of what the blow out would have been under the original Rudd plan. The most recent prediction for the original plan was for a completion date not before 2025 - if ever.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2015
    6:25pm
    I live 5kms out of the CBD in Perth and it looks like I'll be lucky to get the NBN by 2109 - and even then, the last km will be copper. What a Liberal farce.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:19pm
    NBN: this government fought tooth and nail in opposition to kill the NBN. Well what else is new. Now this government is taking credit for it. Yeah right.
    And let's not forget that it is going to cost average Australians a fair bit of cash to get it from the node (that could be way down the street) into their home. But business gets it right to the premises. SUch a surprise.
    Keep on with the crap trolls. Nobody believe you.
    Abby
    21st Oct 2015
    12:09pm
    Put this in your browser and you can find out when your NBN is coming
    http://www.mynbn.info/
    Wstaton
    21st Oct 2015
    12:53pm
    Can't even find my town in the plan.
    CowboyJoe
    21st Oct 2015
    2:04pm
    CowboyJoe
    21st Oct 2015
    1:51pm
    reply
    Yesterday I read a stock recommendation about a company in competition with NBN.

    The report stated the competitive advantage of the company and emphasized that wireless links will win the day and in the near future. Many experts predicted this when pseudo-intellectual, blowtorch Kevin conjured up his deluded version of the digital future.

    NBN and hard wiring are the modern day version of Beta Max
    Anonymous
    21st Oct 2015
    9:21pm
    We live in a ''black spot'' area and won't get NBN until 2019 or later in all probability. Daughter lives in a prosperous and busy big city suburb and can't get an Internet connection. I've been travelling Oz and have had no phone or Internet at least half the time. Our communications system is absolutely pathetic, and the NBN is an over-priced, outdated concept that should never have been approved. Yes, Cowboy Joe, a Singaporean company is planning to come in and compete, and thank heavens. Maybe they will give us the service Telstra is incapable of delivering. Both political parties made idiots of themselves and sold Australians out by endorsing Telstra as a provider.
    Grateful
    19th Oct 2015
    10:24am
    This is a classic delighted reaction to finally seeing the end of Tony Abbott!!
    I still have a laugh when Tony Abbott was speaking on Ray Hadley's radio show after he was removed, when he said that "they haven't changed any policies, so what was that all about"???? Oh dear, we all know what that was all about, all except you!!
    Malcolm Turnbull stuffed up very badly which let Tony Abbott in in the first place, THAT'S how badly he stuffed up. But, let's give him a go and enjoy the lack of the toxicity that devastated our political debate with Tony Abbott the main culprit.
    Still can't believe how some people are so upset at losing him.
    Luchar
    19th Oct 2015
    4:55pm
    So what has been the change of policy, "Grateful"? Tell me that Turnbull won't benefit from the stopping of illegal boat arrivals; from the stopping of the deaths at sea; from the scrapping of the mining tax; from the scrapping of the carbon tax; from the signing off of the Free Trade Agreements which Labor had been dithering over for its six years in office; from Abbott's strong stance against terrorism. Strange indeed that comments made by Abbott were ridiculed by Fairfax and the ABC but are now hailed as "about time" and "appropriate" when spoken by the head of the Parramatta Mosque.

    Where else but the ABC, the Fairfax Press and the ALP would a lifesaver be ridiculed for wearing the uniform of lifesavers everywhere? Where else but the ABC, Fairfax and the ALP would a man who devoted much of his free time to saving lives and homes in bushfire periods be accused of posing for photo opportunities? Where else but the ABC, Fairfax and the ALP would a devoted family man, much loved by his wife, daughters and sisters and who engages in fund-raising activities to support a Women's Refuge be deemed a misogynist? Meanwhile those same hypocritical critics hail as one of their heroes a man who was a womaniser, who cheated on his wife and who employed a stripper to appear at his 80th birthday party.

    Grateful, you ask that we give Turnbull a go - something which the ABC, Fairfax and the likes of you never gave to Abbott. This is the same Turnbull who caused much of the instability over the past two years by his constant leaks from the cabinet room and his lack of public support for Abbott. If I were fighting in the trenches I would want Abbott watching my back, not Turnbull.
    Strummer
    20th Oct 2015
    9:53am
    The morning after Abbott was dumped it almost felt like there'd been a change of government. What a relief to see him gone
    CowboyJoe
    21st Oct 2015
    2:11pm
    Luchar
    You missed one. Where else would a supposed misogynist be harangued relentlessly but then incredulously loses his job substantially due to his unreasonable and persistent support for his female head of staff?

    Why the ABC, SMH and the Green Coalition, that's where else.
    CowboyJoe
    21st Oct 2015
    2:15pm
    Yes Strummer "feelings" feel so good.

    It is also very efficient because one doesn't have to expend time and thought to logically reach a conclusion. The Age of Aquarius has been here for some time, I feel it.

    A female co-worker once told me that females excel at creating reality with words and men describe reality with words, but what confuses matters is that some men think like women.
    Batara
    19th Oct 2015
    10:26am
    I really wonder whether a rich man from the world of big business can have empathy with Australian society. Do we want someone who worked for GoldmanSachs to lead our nation - a nation that used to value a fair go and Jack is as good as his master. Have we lost that spirit?
    I dunno, honestly.
    Stoker
    19th Oct 2015
    11:27am
    So, I take it from what you say is that the male person Bill Shorton is a better person (note not a man) a person that has ripped off his union workers ripped off the employers.

    Please spare us the stupidity of envy, OK so maybe MT will not be a good PM but at least his world wise experience gives a wider view.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2015
    11:44am
    @Stoker. Your accusations - that Bill Shorten "ripped off his union workers [and] ... the employers" - is defamatory. Please provide solid evidence that Shorten is guilty of these things.
    Adrianus
    19th Oct 2015
    12:43pm
    Drpolymath you can hear it for yourself and form your own opinion.

    http://www.commcast.com.au/turc
    Scrivener
    19th Oct 2015
    12:51pm
    What a strange construction on what constitutes Australian society. Suggest, Batara, that you pick up a grade one book on Australian demographics. Malcolm is as Australian as anyone else born here OR anyone who who has chosen to have their children born here. He is a genuine, intelligent leader. There hasn't been a real leader as PM for many a long year. Only Malcolm's seething coalition of self-interested idiots will threaten that - not who Malcolm worked for.
    KSS
    19th Oct 2015
    12:53pm
    Batara so you would condemn Mr Turnbull for working at Goldman Sacs between 1997 and 2001. And he stands doubly condemned in your eyes for being rich. Wow!

    A little research would show that Mr Turnbull comes from a very modest background, raised an only child by his father after his mother left. He went to the local public primary school then Sydney Grammar under a scholarship. He studied law at Sydney Uni whilst working part-time as a TV, radio and print journalist. He was a Rhodes Scholar studying law again at Oxford Uni, became a high profile Barrister, invested in Ozemail the first internet service provider (and made a lot of money,) became an investment banker with former NSW premier Neville Wran and Gough Whitlam’s son, Nicholas. Made a success of that too and all before joining Goldman Sacs.

    I'd say Mr Turnbull was a successful self-made man with an appreciation of what a good education and hard work can do and the foresight to identify opportunity and act on it.

    We can only hope he can do the same on a national level for Australia. Time will tell.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    1:32pm
    That can't Batara. But then THEY DO NOT CARE and that is the greater tragedy.


    KSS: here we go again! Nobody condemns people who do well. But you would have noticed the other day that Turnbull was being called out not for being wealthy but rather for stashing his money in a known Tax Haven (the Cayman Islands). So how do you think average Australians feel who do not have access to the full gamut of tax deductions and tax shelters that Turnbull and other rich Australians use? It is plain unfair, and Turnbull is now our PM.
    For what it is worth KSS Goldman Sachs has a reputation for being a market manipulator. If it were you and I we would be thrown into prison. But Goldman and other mega banks manipulate the gold and silver price and many have been caught out manipulating currency in the last 2 years. Please do not tell me about Goldman Sachs. I imagine Turnbull would have also had some pretty good insider information whilst at Goldman and his success, whilst fortunate, may have come by other than honest investing. Who would ever know.
    Before you sing the praises of any business you need to establish the reputation of that business.
    KSS
    19th Oct 2015
    2:14pm
    Mick Mr Turnbull worked at Goldman Sacs for 4 years all but 15 years ago. And they were not a regular bank at that time but an investment bank. God help all of us if we are to be continually judged for where we worked in the distant past. And by the way, please point out exactly where I sing the praises of Goldman Sacs or any other business for that matter.

    As for his use of the Cayman Islands, Mr Turnbull is not doing anything illegal or any different to what others in the LABOR party are also doing. A bit 'rich' the pot calling the kettle black' don't you think?

    No the criticism of Mr Turnbull on this account is simply that he has amassed a goodly sum through his astute business sense and recognition of and action on opportunity. I don't hear many voices when it comes to promoting the $500,000 he gives to charity each year.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2015
    6:33pm
    Gathering large amounts of personal wealth is no guarantee whatsoever that a person will make a good PM. That's like comparing apples to oranges.
    What we need is statesmen and stateswomen who have vision, and firm plans for what will be good for all Australians in 20 and 50 yrs time - and an ability to weld together a diverse team, so that the end result is a united effort.
    Unfortunately, the Liberals and those from the corporate sector have an excellent track record of being devious, being devoid of ethics and morals, looking after business mates, and making political decisions that only benefit rich supporters of the Liberal Party.
    I have yet to see whether Malcolm Turnbull is made of the right stuff - but the next year, and the 2016 Turnbull Budget, will soon show whether he is.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    10:33pm
    KSS: Goldman may not have become an investment bank until later but it was operating as a trader in currency and gold markets from 1981. These are where the bank manipulated markets. It is well known for manipulating the gold price...with the blessing of the US government and Federal Reserve from what I understand as neither did anything to indict Goldman. The matter of the crooked selling of sub-prime mortgage products takes us closer to 2007 but to my understanding the track record of the company was already well established by that time. Please let me know if your information is different to this and if so where you came upon this as the above appears to be the facts.
    I believe Turnbull fits in around the time he worked there.
    Paddles
    19th Oct 2015
    11:34am
    I was an unashamed Abbott supporter with my principal criticism of his leadership being that he tried to be all things to all people and that will always be futile. In particular he refused to acknowledge the Muslim problem in real terms as the majority of the electorate is doing.
    Then along comes Malcolm, a pleasant enough chap with a lot going for him in the commercial field but it appears that he is going to be even more appeasing to the Islamic ratbags than Abbott was. He perhaps should be reminded that he is Prime Minister of Australia, a sovereign nation beholden to nobody, and not the Australian Ambassador to Saudi Arabia and environs.
    That said, only time will tell what sort of a leader he will be but, in my opinion, our greatest lack as a nation is an effective opposition who, let it not be forgotten, presents as an alternative Government. I could go on naming names but I'm sure you are all well enough aware of the pathetic rabble that constitutes the Labor frontbench. Perhaps the only bright spot on that horizon is that we will likely be rid of Bill Shorten when the Royal Commission into union malfeasance hands down its verdict.
    Adrianus
    19th Oct 2015
    12:55pm
    Paddles, I too would have liked to see Abbott stay on as PM. To my mind he was trying to do the right thing by all Australians and politically you cannot do that without upsetting a lot of people. It only takes a small percentage from each demographic to defect and start believing the vile personal attacks from the ABC and Unfairfax.
    When is Shorten appearing at the TURC? I heard it was sometime this week?
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    1:34pm
    Paddles: if you thought that Abbott was ok then you did not look closely at the large number of outright lies he told to get votes....with his actions on attaining office there for all to see. Oh yes, he did stop the votes. This is the only tick he will ever get from me.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    2:13pm
    Did I say "stop the votes". Cracking myself up here.............
    wally
    19th Oct 2015
    2:23pm
    mick, you can claim to be equally contemptuous of both Labor and the Liberal leaders, but your criticism and accusations against Abbotts "untruthfulness" as PM are not balanced by similar criticism of Abbott's Labor predecessors. Remember Kevin Rudd claiming to be an economic conservative before sending Australia on the road to debt after squandering Costello's surplus? Or Julia Gillard's "No Carbon Tax"?

    So if you want to claim to be without political bias, don't just claim to be so, demonstrate it.
    Adrianus
    19th Oct 2015
    3:41pm
    Yes well said Wally. mick you have no credibility because you have persisted with that outright lie. OK, maybe I am being a little harsh? You may not even realise you are a Labor boy.
    Luchar
    19th Oct 2015
    5:16pm
    Mick, can I assume that if I go back through your posts during the Gillard years, I will find constant references criticising her "No carbon tax under the government I lead" lie? Where Abbott made a major mistake was in his "no new taxes" promise. This was a promise he never had to make, because he was going to win government anyway. Further, on taking office he did not go hard enough against Bowen when it was found that Bowen's announced $18 billion budget deficit was actually a $48 billion deficit. Abbott's lack of skills as a politician cost him dearly.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    10:41pm
    wally: GILLARD LIED. Alan Jones used to tell us that repeatedly. I have not heard Jones once mention anything the MANY lies Abbott told.
    Rudd's debt funding: GFC wally. Tell me if any of your family lost their jobs whilst you denounce Rudd's waste of money. Damned if you do and damned if you don't methinks!
    Carbon Tax: a lie yes but a good good policy which WAS WORKING WELL. As late as last week Christine Legard called for the need for countries to introduce a Carbon Tax so that Emissions Trading Schemes could not be corrupted.
    You need to look at the issues in context wally. I do hate both sides of politics mate and only defend Labor because of those who unfairly attack the last 2 governments whilst refusing to consider the turbulent times in which they ruled and the good things which were achieved. You have to be objective and fair lest one becomes a Frank style troll trotting out the 3 words slogans to get a hit.
    Luchar
    19th Oct 2015
    11:27pm
    Mick, you talk about "the MANY lies Abbott told." We know about the "no new taxes" he foolishly and needlessly promised. But perhaps you could list the rest of the MANY (your emphasis) lies. You also speak about "the good things which were achieved" under the two ;labor governments. Perhaps you could also make a list of these "good things" for us - and please don't list the GFC which every serious economist agrees to have been a gross over-spending of what was needed to do the job.
    Fredklaus
    19th Oct 2015
    11:47am
    i preferred MT to Abbot,but there is still a built in ARROGANCE in this gov,t and the public servants who are there to serve us.Not much really different.
    Ferny
    19th Oct 2015
    12:16pm
    I strongly suspect most people's response to most political events is largely determined by confirmation bias, eg whether one is right or left wing, basically. So there's really not very much to be gained by asserting this person is a union hack or that person is a tax cheat but hopefully some of us can rise above partisan politics and just try to assess who is a good person to represent us in parliament, to be our Prime Minister, to impact the kind of place Australia is. So guess which side of politics I support (mainly) - I happen to think the ascent of our new PM is the best thing that's happened in Australian politics for quite a while. Hopefully now we can have a little more civility and stability within the coalition and also the federal parliament. Fingers crossed!
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    1:37pm
    I think that what is needed Ferny is for us all to assess the honesty, or in the case of Tony Abbott his dishonesty, and the actions taken to benefit the nation. This government has totally failed the honesty test and its actions are nothing more than to move money out of the bank accounts of average citizens and into the bank accounts of the wealthy. I fail to understand that people who are staunch supporters of the LNP cannot see the game plan.
    CowboyJoe
    21st Oct 2015
    2:26pm
    Whatever the arrogance of this government is, it pales in comparison to the arrogance of the top bureaucrats in both state and federal government agencies. What a great job they have. No accountability, able to exercise ones personal bias whenever the opportunity arises, feign disbelief when criticized and then go back work the next day at their very highly paid position. In the rare occasion when they do suffer a consequence they are typically promoted to a higher paid position somewhere else in the bowel of the machine that really runs this country.
    Aravis
    19th Oct 2015
    12:04pm
    O come off it. He's been in a month. Most people haven't even noticed that he has ticked Abbott's policies, most of them, and is very cautious about changing anything; probably because the Cabinet wont let him. 'He has also been foolish enough to leave the evil Dutton in place, and now is facing huge embarrassment at least, for the potato-head's dreadful treatment of the raped girl. Sorry, but I don't believe in stability as long as the LNP is warming the governmental seats.
    Wstaton
    19th Oct 2015
    5:15pm
    Yes that was one thing I cannot understand, leaving Dutton in place. Every time I see that man and what he spouts I cringe.
    CowboyJoe
    21st Oct 2015
    2:28pm
    Aravis, have you heard any reports about DNA tests on possible offenders (rapist)? Maybe cost cutting is hindering crime fighting?
    Scrivener
    19th Oct 2015
    12:41pm
    Brilliant new rhetoric from Malcolm - finally a Statesman is at the helm - he would make a great leader of the Labor Party.
    But, while the pit-bull Scot Morrison is yapping away in the wings, thinking he IS the Prime Minister, there will always be instability.
    Rosscoe
    19th Oct 2015
    12:46pm
    I'm afraid that Turnbull wasn't prepared to do the work to be a Labor PM. Too used to the easy life!
    Scrivener
    19th Oct 2015
    12:57pm
    Rosscoe, what is 'work'?
    Adrianus
    19th Oct 2015
    1:04pm
    Turnbull does not have a union background, does not have a hatred for business, and applauds those who have a go. Not suited for Labor Rosscoe.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    1:40pm
    Scrivener: whilst I have few issues with Turnbull I do have issue with the policies of this government. When you follow the money trail it always ends at the bank accounts of the rich.
    You have no basis for your comment and whether Labor or Liberal your assessment should remain with whether or not the PM and his parliament is acting in the nation's interest. THAT IS ALL THAT DOES MATTER!
    Rosscoe
    19th Oct 2015
    2:35pm
    Frank and Scrivener - Turnbull asked former ALP senator Graham Richardson how to gain preselection in the ALP. When Turnbull found out that he would have to do a bit of work, eg talk to real workers (the ordinary Australians who actually produce services and assets for Australia ) , he decided that it wasn't worth the effort. Yeah, we need people like Turnbull to tell us how to run our lives. In your dreams!
    Adrianus
    19th Oct 2015
    3:52pm
    Rosscoe if you can bring yourself to listen/watch the TURC you will learn 2 things about your beloved Labor Party.
    1. Every man woman and their dogs have been courted by Labor.
    2. Turnbull is too diplomatic to give the real reason. I suspect it is the corruption that didn't sit well. But let's allow Richo to make some political ground on it.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:33pm
    Roscoe: you can easily tell the LNP trolls on this site. They are the ones who repeatedly shout "TURC" and "Labor" crap. No substance. Just propaganda. The 3 word Abbott slogan methodology. Not worth the time of day!
    mangomick
    19th Oct 2015
    1:07pm
    Under Abbott the Lliberals seemed to forget what the word Liberal actually meant and opted to charge down the ultra conservative path. Abbott thought he could black out media reporting and scream that the sky was falling and everyone would go along with him.
    Abbott ignored science and had little Technological vision for this country. Australia has to go beyond this dig it up and cart it away mentality and hopefully under Turnbull we can have a country with a more balanced governance while maintaining a social conscience and life line for those who are truly struggling through no fault of their own. We sadly lack leaders with nous and charisma and the ability to conciliate and compromise so hopefully in Turnbull we will have a long and stable leadership so we can get this Country to be more than a giant sand pit and quarry. Guess time will tell. It seems strange that Turnbull's worst enemies are within his own party though.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    1:43pm
    Abbott came to office through coal money and Rupert Murdoch propaganda. Of course he had no interest in technology. Only dirty energy which was going to see Australia as the last man standing in a world which understands that we have to change. At least Turnbull has a track record of understanding. That is why he got the boot and Abbott took his place. It will be interesting from here on in though.
    mangomick
    19th Oct 2015
    2:25pm
    Abbott got a free ride into power through Labors power hungry factions public squabbling. They should have stuck with Gillard regardless and not gone back to Rudd. They forgot to focus on all the good work Gillard was actually doing and the amount of legislation she was getting through by consensus and compromise. with a minority Government. something Abbott could never do.Already seeing a bit of an about face with some LNP Ministers. Josh Freyberg for one. it's embarrassing to see Ministers of both persuasions do a complete turn around in rhetoric depending on which way the wind blows. Now all of a sudden Freyberg is an advocate for renewable energy . waiting for them to start telling everyone about man made climate change and how we now need to listen to science.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Oct 2015
    3:44pm
    Good to see you guys thinking logically about these issues.
    Wstaton
    19th Oct 2015
    5:23pm
    Maybe some things haven't changed. How com the big hole in Queensland is going ahead even after our own banks are withdrawing from funding it.

    Come on Malcolm. You are the businessman why is this happening.

    Even though we don't think much of our banks they are not that stupid and know when to get out.
    Luchar
    19th Oct 2015
    5:37pm
    Mangomick, just wondering where Abbott's "free ride" came from. Abbott came to the job because Turnbull was making no inroads into a Rudd government which was rapidly sending the country broke. It was Abbott who caused the demise of Rudd and led to Gillard's rise. Of the following election, as one journalist wrote, "Abbott won the election but lost the negotiation."

    Gillard's "consensus and compromise" consisted of signing an agreement with the Greens which cost the country dearly, gaining the support of two renegade independents, who represented two of the most conservative electorates in NSW, but whose prime concern was the security of their own jobs, (and neither of whom even bothered nominating for the following election for obvious reasons), by backing the disgraced Thomson and by courting the obnoxious Peter Slipper. Let us never forget that Gillard's "misogynist speech" against Abbott was in fact a speech defending the despicable Slipper.
    mangomick
    19th Oct 2015
    6:38pm
    The majority of Australian voters have never had a liking of Abbott. He took over Liberal Power from Turnbull by one vote but was never going to win the hearts of the Australian voters. It was only because Labor was sent a very loud message by the voters of Australia that their factional in fighting and back stabbing would not be tolerated, that Abbott got the top job. If Crusty the clown had been leading the LNP at the time he also could have been Prime Minister. As Abbotts honeymoon period wore off more and more Australians and LNP Ministers apparently, came to realise that Abbott was wrong for the job. Just as Gillard had to make compromises with Greens and independents so to could Abbott particularly in the Senate, but he lacked those basic skills as well. Turnbull will fill those deficiencies. Abbott forgot he had to rule for all Australians not just the select few. Turnbull understands that. You only had to look at Abbotts gloating while Bronwyn Bishop run roughshod as speaker with her blatant bias. No fair minded Australian accepts that kind of behaviour. Compare Turnbull's quiet but polite put down of Shorten, with his jibe about taxi drivers and cleaners ,while defending himself on his wealth, to Abbotts snide bully boy tactics during similar question times.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:44pm
    mango: fair enough, but don't forget that Abbott did not get there on his own. First the Murdoch publications ran anti Labor propaganda for a couple of years. Second the other big media players in Oz (7 and 9 networks) did the same and even refused to run a PAID GetUp advertisement. How does that work? Last of all were the mining industry (predominantly the coal industry) running anti Labor adds. And to top it off off you got the constant attacks on Labor from 7 and 9 whilst ignoring ABbott's travel rorts....which for all intents and purposes the same as Slipper but were simply ignored. And of course lets not ignore the court attacks on Gillard which is the same stunt we are seeing again with Shorten. In the end Gillard never had a case to answer and walked free...after the political intentions had been achieved.
    I am sort of a 'fairness' sort of guy and hate both corruption and the unfair singling out of one person or group for no other reason than dishonest intent. Sort of helps to explain why I defend Labor when I do not want a bar of the Party. Frank the troll would never understand!

    Wstaton: good call. Guess what..........THIS GOVERNMENT IS OWNED BY THE COAL INDUSTRY. Funny how Adani is apparently going ahead when all of our big banks have said no to funding. Lets see where the funds come from. Hope it is not from the coal industry of the current government or I'll be out on the streets calling for blood...as will many other Australians.
    Like you Wstaton I do not want to see the reef die for a coal industry which in much less than 100 years will be dead. Just imagine the tourism potential which could still be happening then.
    Enough to turn a bloke to drink. Where's particolor? Anybody know if parti is ok?
    mangomick
    19th Oct 2015
    10:47pm
    Can't see the sense in allowing Adani to go ahead at this point of time when many mines are down sizing and going into maintenance mode. Better off leaving the coal in the ground for now and maintaining a strategic reserve for future generations than allow it to be sold cheap. Strange that Josh Frydenberg would just shrug off Queensland Treasury assessment that the mine at current prices would be financially unviable. Environment Department have a lot to answer for in allowing mines to dump high p.h level tail water into river systems particularly after heavy rain events .The Fitzroy river system in particular supplies water to many towns including Rockhampton and salt content now higher than it should be and yet that is virtually being swept under the carpet.
    Ronin
    19th Oct 2015
    2:31pm
    Turnbull is a patrician, a man for the people but not of the people, and there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that.

    That Abbott can see no difference between the government under his leadership and under Turnbull, speaks volumes for his lack of understanding as to what the Australian public wants from a Prime Minister - vision, respect, engaged not spoken down to, for policies and their need to be explained, optimism, positivity and to behave and sound like a statesman not a street fighter!
    Paulodapotter
    19th Oct 2015
    3:45pm
    Good observation.
    mangomick
    19th Oct 2015
    6:43pm
    The Australian voting public are no longer "One Party" animals for life. More and more are swing voters looking for Leadership and at Policy. The Party that understands that will be the Party that leads for the longest. Many are prepared to make sacrifices for the good of the Country but not for the good of the few.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:46pm
    I appreciate your view Ronin and of course you are dead right. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating so let's see where one M. Turnbull sends the cash. If it continues to head to the rich with the same Abbott policies then there can be no difference between the two. Time will tell.
    Shalshooli
    19th Oct 2015
    2:39pm
    Malcolm T only looks good because Shorten is so incredibly bad.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Oct 2015
    3:49pm
    I don't think Shorten is bad. He's simply outclassed. I don't think Shorten can match it with Turnbull, but I think politically he can on a policy level. It will depend heavily on whether MT can resist the IPA and the various economically powerful lobby groups, such as the coal lobby.
    Sceptic
    19th Oct 2015
    3:55pm
    And that Shorten policy is what mick?
    Adrianus
    19th Oct 2015
    5:22pm
    Shorten has already fired his main policy. The Cayman Is business. It has taken a few weeks to formulate that one?
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:50pm
    Ain't that the truth Shalshooli. It will however be interesting to find out if Tunbull is paying the right amount of tax or if his Cayman Islands accounts are to dodge AUstralian tax. After all the Cayman Islands are a known tax haven and Turnbull is not parking his money there for the fun of it.
    But given that THIS GOVERNMENT has snuck a bill through the senate in the past couple of days to hide the business dealings of the rich and famous perhaps we will never know. So why do you think that a Turnbull led government wants to hide this?
    CowboyJoe
    21st Oct 2015
    2:35pm
    Plenty of truth to your comment.

    But, now that the privately and publicly funded self-appointed propagandists and influence peddlers (AKA journalists) have achieved their goal we will experience a normalizing stage.

    The next stage will be to tear down Malcolm prior to the election.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Oct 2015
    3:41pm
    It's refreshing to have a PM with a few brain cells, but the jury's still out on whether the LNP can lead this country with some sort of vision. I note that he still plugs the idea that people should not risk their lives to save their lives as an excuse for locking up refugess in concentration camps. However, I don't believe he supports that policy in fact. His language is too measured and his body language suggests he is not comfortable with the policy. How either party can extract themselves from this internationally embarrassing policy will be tricky, but inevitably it will have to change. They cannot perpetuate the lie that they have to treat refugees like criminals to save their lives is unsustainable. Not one of those politicians would hesitate to risk their own lives to extract themselves from the sort of danger these refugees have escaped. To describe them as economic refugees to diminish their plight is simply disgusting. Until both sides of government change this policy, I don't see politics in this country changing much.
    Sceptic
    19th Oct 2015
    3:59pm
    I take it that you are suggesting the German solution? If that is so, note how that is rapidly changing. When we had 50,000 boat people under the Rudd/Gillard solution the cost was around $10 billion. 1,000,000 with an open door policy could be 20 times that, = $200 billion. In fact a lot more, with the unemployment the unrest etc.
    Luchar
    19th Oct 2015
    5:46pm
    Paulodapotter, have you noticed in recent months how European countries have woken up to the fact that not all of those seeking access to their various welfare states are genuine regugees; are asking why so many of the new arrivals are coming from countries where there are no wars? are starting to wonder why so many of these so-called refugees are young , fit men who have seemingly chosen to leave their wives and children in supposed war zones. Thankfully Abbott started asking these questions two years ago.
    Sundays
    19th Oct 2015
    3:44pm
    I'm not usually a Liberal voter, but it is good to gave a PM with some economic credibility. Abbott was just an embarrassment especially his 'captain calls'.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Oct 2015
    3:50pm
    Pertinant observation.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:51pm
    Whilst true Sundays it is still about the POLICIES. Nicer to have a human being at the helm but I believe that NONE of the policies are any different.
    Hunter
    19th Oct 2015
    4:12pm
    All those who think ex- Goldman Sachs rep , current smiling assassin of the LNP , wanna - be El Presidente , Same Sex Marriage promoter - Malfunction Turnbull will be our saviour had best take a close look at this link -http://stopturnbull.com/ There is less than cigarette paper difference between LNP / Liebor/Greens policies . When HE hands us over to U.N. control (its called the New World Order) in Paris in Nov/December , I am busting to hear the comments from the sheeple.
    waikune
    19th Oct 2015
    4:23pm
    Weii Batara you say"I really wonder whether a rich man from the world of big business can have empathy with Australian society.". Just look over the ditch at the NZ Prime Minster, for your answer
    Wstaton
    19th Oct 2015
    4:55pm
    Anyone could be popular after Abbott.
    Rudd was popular and look what happened to him.
    Labor could have a popular leader if they picked the right one.

    Proof is yet to be in the pudding for me to vote him popular yet.
    I don't get fooled by charisma and words. Ill wait until the real actions start coming.

    I must say the bill letting 800 rich people not have their tax affairs published was not a good start. So they are found to be fiddling by ATO and we are not to know.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:53pm
    Not too sure who they would go with> Maybe Plibesic? Don't know. I have written to several Labor MPs and stated that Bill is the wrong person. Japanese water treatment? We'll see.
    Tom Tank
    19th Oct 2015
    5:04pm
    The jury is still out but there is no doubt that at this point there is a breath of fresh air in Canberra.
    The big issue will be if Turnbull can overcome the right wing extremists, mainly from NSW, who can bring the Libs undone.
    The ALP now have the job in front of them and the question is whether Bill Shorten has that "Leadership" uality to make a go og it.

    19th Oct 2015
    6:18pm
    how great it is to hear the squeals of labor mick and his labor cronies.
    how quick they try to forget the corrupt members of the labor party, the likes of m.p. craig thomson, when being the secretary of the health services union, using union funds of his members so he could enjoy the escort services, but labor mick and his labor clones still reckon that he did the right thing, backer the lowly paid members.
    or labor mick and his labor cronies can't remember the awu slush fund set up by julia gillard for her then boyfriend, or julia gillard's promise, there won't be a carbon tax under the government I lead, yet abbot is the worst bloke on this earth, due to their red coloured glasses.
    labor mick and his brainwashed labor associates don't mention michael jackson, former president of the a.l.p. now doing time, seven years, in jail for putting his hands in the funds of the members of the health service union, last month his ex was told by the judge to reimburse one and a halve million dollars she also had a good time on the funds of union members, but still labor mick and his labor followers think the sun shines out of the a.l.p' ar..
    or when shortie, the a.l.p leader had a go at m.t. for having his money in the cayman's island, he conviently forgot that while he was president of the labor pension fund, stored a lot of money of that fund, you guessed it right, in that tax haven cayman islands, talking about being one eyed,
    labor mick you can fool some people but the australian people have more brains than you give them credit for, keep on squealing, don't stop, the more the better, the quicker the people will see through you and your a.l.p and union mates.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:54pm
    Brain dead. Priceless!
    Luchar
    19th Oct 2015
    9:33pm
    heemskerk99, do you notice how "mick" does not reply to the points you raise, but instead thinks that if he throws an insult or two at you, it automatically makes you wrong. After your next post he will probably call you a troll, and to his small-minded way of thinking that will prove you wrong again.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    10:46pm
    My dear trolls. Why do I bother.
    FYI:
    1. Gillard was pulled through the courts by your side of politics but was shown to have NO CASE TO ANSWER.
    2. I await a jail sentence for Jackson and partner as it appears they dunnit.
    3. Turnbull has his money in the Cayman Islands because IT IS A TAX HAVEN. No other logical conclusion.
    Why do I bother with brain dead posts. Kerry Packer once said "I seldom suffer fools". Lucky for Kerry he was rich and did not have to. And for the record both of your posts are the sort of gah gah rubbish which trolls use. That pretty well says it..........
    Luchar
    19th Oct 2015
    11:40pm
    Gillard was a highly intelligent young lawyer, employed by one of the top law firms in the country. I don't know about the enquiry finding that she had no case to answer. It certainly found that she was naive in her handling of the Wilson/Blewett business. The fact that her law firm no longer employed either Gillard of her mentor/supervisor when the incident first came to light seems to suggest that her law firm thought it was more serious than just "naive".
    Mags
    19th Oct 2015
    6:50pm
    This Could be because the media never got off Mr. Abbots back ....
    geomac
    19th Oct 2015
    8:21pm
    I think you may have meant Abbo kept making gaffes and stupid decisions.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:55pm
    You have (conveniently) forgotten the 2 years leading up to the last election Mags.
    Luchar
    19th Oct 2015
    9:59pm
    Mags, it wasn't just that the media never got off Abbott's back. The shame is that so many believed the media. The ABC and the Fairfax Press hated his Christian beliefs and values, hated that he was a Monarchist, hated that he was a Climate Change sceptic - even hated that he wanted to give the people a vote on same-sex marriage. They ignored his achievements - more in two years than Labor achieved in six - stopped the illegal maritime arrivals; stopped the deaths at sea; scrapped the useless carbon and mining taxes; signed three free trade deals for Australia's future; led the fight against terrorism. Foolishly the Australian people believed the rubbish from the ABC and Fairfax, so they ignored his achievements and became concerned about the way he looked and walked and spoke - ,and the way he ate an onion. His work as a lifesaver and fire fighter was ridiculed because of the uniforms he wore and were dismissed as photo opportunities. No PM before him has such a record of volunteering and fund raising for needy causes. Abbott was never criticised for abusing staff or airline hostesses or make-up girls in TV studios. No dirt on Abbott for shady deals with unionists heavyweights.

    Too many Australian people fell for the nonsense and the lies spread about him. History will remind us what type of man we have tossed aside, long after the Rudds and Gillards and Turnbulls have faded from memory.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    10:18pm
    Luchar: the normal comment one sees from right wing trolls. AS if I need remind you,
    1. the ABC presented both sides. Something Abbott and his cronies could not accept because that meant they had to account for actions, and the Abbott dictatorship lived with the perception that it owned the media. Pretty true...apart from the ABC....which it then wanted to spin off....and which would most likely have been bought up and turned into another one of the right wing propaganda machines.
    2. If Abbott were a Christian then he would have honoured his pre-election promises. We all know he LIED about almost everything and broke well over a dozen promises he stated would be kept. NOT A CHRISTIAN OF ANY FLAVOUR!
    3. The other nonsense you go on with is not worth the bytes they consume. Blah, blah, blah!!!1
    You must have dementia Luchar as the only "lies" are that spread by the man himself.....oh what a tangled web we weave when first we begin to deceive. So true.
    Luchar
    19th Oct 2015
    11:58pm
    Mick, the moment you write that "the ABC presented both sides", you lose all credibility. Further, as I have mentioned in an earlier post, we know that Abbott foolishly and needlessly made his "no new taxes" promise, so I now leave it to you to enumerate further, exactly how he "LIED about almost everything and broke well over a dozen promises." I look forward to reading your detailed list.

    I also assume that, in your usual form, you brush off "the other nonsense you go on with because there is no way in which you can deny it.
    CowboyJoe
    21st Oct 2015
    2:51pm
    Mags, the only thing the Lame Stream Media hates or is infuriated by more than a self identified Christian is one that actually makes a genuine effort to live up to the teachings of Christ. While the Abbot haters can point out his perceived failings he never behaved as if he was infallible and didn't gloat over his governments successes. Comparing Christian Abbott to Christian Rudd is an interesting exercise in contrasting the adoption of smorgasbord religion or a traditional view of religion.
    geomac
    19th Oct 2015
    7:57pm
    Same corpse different undertaker. I must admit I dont hit the mute button when the new PM comes on like I did when the manchild Abbott spoke his three word slogans or lied on any topic. I think Australia has a sense of relief that the old/new PM has gone after two disaster years. A person who can actually carry a conversation is a welcome change and gives hope that actual change to the bash the poor and protect the rich may follow. Time will tell but Turnbull has to juggle his promises to the hard right to gain the leadership with the publics expectation of policies that are middle ground. There is no doubt that MT has saved the furniture but the test will come to see if he has stopped the fire in the first place. He is off to a good start.
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:59pm
    I have to concede geomac that suddenly wind turbines are ok and rooftop solar is a necessary part of the nation. That is indeed a change in ownership so I am still watching. But as I have said above let's wait and see if any of the other attacks on the 99% (us!) continues and where the money trail leads to. I am still willing to bet that it continues straight to the bank accounts of rich Australians.

    19th Oct 2015
    8:49pm
    hallo, geomac and his flag have risen of the dead, as usual an other incoherent remark, what else can one expect of another labor do-do
    MICK
    19th Oct 2015
    8:56pm
    Another brain dead comment. Back to the bottle dear boy............
    man saw
    19th Oct 2015
    9:31pm
    At long last Malcolm - finally a Statesman is at the helm go australia
    CowboyJoe
    21st Oct 2015
    1:54pm
    Obviously one of Malcolm largest block of supporters.

    The ones who think he is terrific and vote for the other party.

    19th Oct 2015
    9:47pm
    poor old labor mick, it is still not getting through to your grey matter, that the truth hurts, have not heard of your clones lately, maybe they got the message, labor is not just on the nose, they stink to high heaven, keep on squealing mick, shortie, alias bill the knive might be grateful to you but so be the australian people as to-days poll showed up your absolute stupidity, still waiting for your answer to the corruption claims, by not answering my questions you obliviously agree with your labor members ripping their union members off, than again, having been a labor union organiser, you can not go against the tide.
    geomac
    19th Oct 2015
    9:57pm
    NSW libs in brown bag scandals and Sinodonis memory lapse regarding Obeid ? Abbots illegal fund to jail Hanson plus his not so charitable booking for charity runs.
    How about Shorten getting a deal for AWU workers above award wages and industrial peace that gave Victoria a billion dollar plus road construction on time and on budget ? Libs should be delirously happy with that outcome and in fact thats what they have been claiming to want. Apparently not and would have preferred the maligned CEMEU to have done the deal. Very odd.
    Maybe this might interest or maybe not heems.


    Michael Lawler works for an organisation called Fair Work Australia, where he is a Vice-President on a salary of $400,000 a year. The only person higher than him at that organisation is Iain Ross, who just replaced Geoffrey Giudice – the one who Tony Abbott and Lawler’s partner Kathy Jackson were attacking daily – as President of Fair Work Australia.

    On the 11th of October 2002, according to the FWA annual report, Michael Lawler was appointed Vice President of Fair Work Australia — although back then it was called the Australian Industrial Relations Commission. Previously, Lawler was a barrister who made his mark representing employers in employment disputes. The man who appointed him to the AIRC was none other than Tony Abbott — who at the time was Employment and Workplace Relations Minister under John Howard’s Coalition Government.

    On his appointment, Tony Abbott gave a speech praising Lawler in a remarkably personal and intimate fashion. Here is some of what he said that day:

    https://indymedia.org.au/2012/05/18/did-jackson-lawler-and-abbott-tangle-thomson-with-the-hsu-who-else-is-involved-and-why

    The libs were heaping praise on Jackson and Abbots mate was second in charge, cosy.
    geomac
    19th Oct 2015
    10:21pm
    Funny how the die hards have trouble sticking to the topic at hand. Maybe like the boychild they cannot get out of opposition mode. This is about MT and how long the honeymoon will last. Insults and distractions add nothing to the discussion but maybe thats the intent.
    Rosscoe
    19th Oct 2015
    10:50pm
    Loved the Four corners expose on Kathy Jackson and Michael Lawler. I thought the age of entitlement was over!
    geomac
    19th Oct 2015
    11:43pm
    Very strange couple Rosscoe. Very strange all that recording of conversations.

    https://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/the_meeting_place/11448
    Thread about Lawler
    student
    20th Oct 2015
    10:29am
    where is the 'open government'?? For mine, secrets mean someone is telling lies. We still have a government keeping secrets. We still have a government sailing close to breaking international laws (asylum seekers for example, sending troops to nation states without being asked to intervene by that state). Our current PM made some promises when he became leader, some of which he can't/wont keep. Hey, that's politics!.

    I will make one comment about our PM. He was quoted as saying his investments in the Cayman (?) Islands are registered there only because that is where his investment provider has business, but that all of his investments have paid the proper Australian tax so it is not being used as a tax have for him. My question is: why does he use a company that uses a tax haven to avoid taxes?? I'm afraid if looks like a duck, sounds like a duck then guess what!! It is a *(^^* duck!!
    Paddles
    20th Oct 2015
    11:30am
    student

    Given your chosen name, I guess we should cut you some slack but when (if?) you graduate to the educated class, then you may begin to appreciate the core reason, as explained by him, why the PM selected an off shore entity to mange his investment portfolio.

    Could you imagine any investment that he may make in Australia being exempt from criticism and innuendo that his decisions as PM were tainted by self interest? He has already stated that he has paid tax at Australian rates on ALL income derived from overseas investments yet we have this puerile carping, from intellectual lightweights such as yourself, without any rational reasoning.

    Those Labor dimwits choose to ignore the fact many, if not most, investment houses take some sort of a position that involves the Cayman Islands or other tax havens. Chances are, whatever superannuation fund you subscribe to does the same thing. The world of finance is just that....global so my advice to you, is to hit the books like a diligent "student" until the penny drops.
    mangomick
    20th Oct 2015
    12:02pm
    student. I use salary sacrifice , negative gearing and other means to legally minimise tax as many savvy workers do. So quack quack. Don't try to tell me that you have never tried to minimise the amount of tax you have to pay.Big difference between tax minimization and tax avoidance.
    geomac
    20th Oct 2015
    1:46pm
    I think you maybe misrepresenting what student said. MT refuted the Cayman Island is a tax dodge and is where the company resides. He did not say it was a way of minimizing tax but only where his investment provider does business. Paddles and mick actually back up the student comment.
    mangomick
    20th Oct 2015
    2:11pm
    I think what he said was ,Quote. "why does he use a company that uses a tax haven to avoid taxes?? Over 80% of the worlds investment funds are believed to be registered in the Cayman islands so i would imagine it is pretty hard for anyone with investments to avoid the Cayman islands. I think you will find that even Bill Shorten has funds invested through a fund registered in the Caymans.
    As i said using legal and legitimate strategies to minimise the amount of tax you have to pay is not avoidance. Big difference in "avoid" and "minimise"
    Maybe student needs to change the word avoid to minimise as Turnbull stated he still pays the rightful amount of Tax to the Australian Tax man on his investment.
    Wstaton
    20th Oct 2015
    2:18pm
    Well I guess that there will be people digging to see just why a tax haven is being used and if it is being used to avoid tax.

    If eventually it is found to be what then? another lie. If it is so what does the ATO do. Is MT one of those 800 that now has his tax affairs hidden by law that the the 10million of us do not have the privilege.
    geomac
    20th Oct 2015
    2:18pm
    A super fund and what MT has two very different things.
    mangomick
    20th Oct 2015
    3:27pm
    Garry Weaven,former ACTU assistant secretary and chairman of the $60 billion industry fund manager IFM Investors , is on record saying, it's impossible to be an international investor without using tax havens and even IFM makes use of tax havens such as Cayman Islands to avoid double taxation.
    "It's impossible to avoid using special tax zones if you want to be a competitive international investor," Mr Weaven told AFR Weekend in a recent interview.
    It's a pity that Labor feel they need to stoop to the politics of envy to try to usurp Turnbull. They finally have a Prime Minister of the opposing Political party who is prepared to negotiate and compromise to get things moving and they are making themselves look petty and foolish by pursuing avenues like this.Shorten and Labor will not be making any inroads into his popularity while chasing BS issues like this.They had their run at leading the Country and blew it. Now they need to focus on good policy and fighting real issues..
    Wstaton
    20th Oct 2015
    3:38pm
    So tell me mangomick, If someone invests through a tax haven how do we know just how much is being earned. I am sure that these tax havens do not let the ATO know. So the ATO is dependent on the honesty of the investors.

    This is apart from the fact that there are already agreements on double taxation with most countries so that you only pay once or pay the difference if the taxation rates are less.

    It would be interesting to know just how much our various politicians have invested in Australia.
    mangomick
    20th Oct 2015
    4:23pm
    By "we" I assume you mean the Taxation Department. Probably the same way they know how much the return on super accounts that are invested through Cayman based investment companies have made. Have you tried putting money into a managed fund lately ? Or have you even tried selling a property recently?. The proof of identification and massive amount of info required by the Taxation Department or financial regulator ensures that they would be aware of every cent you invest and receive through investments. Any return on investments is well documented on your annual statement from your fund manager. Yes when it comes to Joe public ,the ATO, up to a point, is dependent on the honesty of all tax payers but their computer system is set up to flag any anomalies for auditing. Any money that is transferred to investment accounts will no doubt ring alarm bells if your tax return doesn't show the appropriate reporting and eventually you can expect to be audited.
    Steff
    20th Oct 2015
    3:43pm
    Hope no one forgets the ticking time bomb that is the changes to the pension taper rates
    Wonder if good old Mal will have another look at that before Scott Morrison stabs him in the back
    Anonymous
    21st Oct 2015
    10:43pm
    Unlikely, Steff. Malcolm abandoned all his own principles and beliefs to get the job. He agreed to support the policies of the party - whether he agreed with them or not (and many he did not!). That's not the kind of PM I approve or can support, despite being somewhat impressed with him in the past.

    No. Retirees who have had their lifestyle destroyed by grossly UNFAIR changes to the taper rates can hold little hope for any kind of justice or decency. Few seem able even to recognize how wrong and destructive the changes were, or that they are economically unsound and will drive the cost of supporting an aged population much higher over time. Seems all that matters to some is a flawed perception and appeasing the green-eyed and bleeding hearts who can't tolerate the notion that the more hard working and fiscally responsible should actually be allowed to benefit from their saving - or at least enjoy a standard of living equal to that of pensioners without draining all their hard-won assets.

    We can hope that the changes will impact such that the Libs will be voted out, but I doubt an incoming Labor Govt would reverse them anyway. I think we are left to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea.
    CowboyJoe
    21st Oct 2015
    1:51pm
    Yesterday I read a stock recommendation about a company in competition with NBN.

    The report stated the competitive advantage of the company and emphasized that wireless links will win the day and in the near future. Many experts predicted this when pseudo-intellectual, blowtorch Kevin conjured up his deluded version of the digital future.

    NBN and hard wiring are the modern day version of Beta Max.
    geomac
    22nd Oct 2015
    12:12pm
    NBN just purchased 14 million worth of copper. As has been stated all along Telstra copper is too old and degraded. Wireless cannot handle the volume or speeds of fibre nor the need to throttle when too many are trying to use at the same time.
    Wstaton
    22nd Oct 2015
    12:29pm
    You are right about wireless. Wireless cannot handle the large volumes that is why they are only slated for low volume areas in the country.

    Apart from this do we want to see more and more towers being stuck up in our cities.

    Also wireless like mobiles have dreaded blind spots due to the soak up of signals by structures around limiting their reach.
    retroy
    21st Oct 2015
    2:09pm
    In my area those who have got or about to get NBN are labor held electorates, so the scheduling was done some time ago and I have not looked to see when my Lib held electorate just might get NBN.
    geomac
    22nd Oct 2015
    12:17pm
    Remember when the libs said they would do it cheaper and quicker ? Now its same cost, taking longer and giving us an inferior product. My area was slotted to begin in 2014 and now its been pushed back to 2017/18. Latrobe Valley. Funny thing is some in my area already have the NBN. Its like a lucky dip now.
    Wstaton
    22nd Oct 2015
    12:23pm
    Depends where you are in Latrobe valley geomac. The valley covers a large area. Some people got it through wireless if outside the towns others that are outside the range of wireless got it through the Satellite.

    By the way retroy it is good to see some envy the other way rather than all this so called money envy.


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