$44 billion welfare blowout

Australia’s welfare budget is heading for a $44 billion blowout by the end of the decade.

$44 billion welfare blowout

The new Social Services Minister Christian Porter has warned that, without major reform, Australia’s welfare budget is heading for a $44 billion blowout by the end of the decade. Currently, welfare expenditure is around $154 billion per year – a figure that is predicted to jump to $198 billion by 2020 as the number of Australians claiming a Disability Support Pension and the Age Pension increases.

Mr Porter made clear that his first priority was to claw back $4 billion in savings by negotiating through the Senate the government's changes to Family Tax Benefits. The Greens have said publicly that they will reject key elements of the changes, which may then force the government to deal with the Labor Party.

Mr Porter indicated that the government has already started to tighten access to the Disability Support Pension.

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    Auction Girl
    27th Oct 2015
    10:28am
    If we are really serious about the "welfare blowout" maybe we should start with this :-
    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/former-treasurer-joe-hockey-urged-to-reject-government-pension-if-he-takes-on-lucrative-ambassador-role/story-fn5tas5k-1227581600050
    Then we can review all the exceedingly GENEROUS government employee pension schemes.
    Maybe THEN we can take these people seriously.
    Oh and don't forget the multinational tax cheats operating here also.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    12:37pm
    Whilst you are spot on with the 'rules for some and different rules for others' way rorts there is a lot more to this than meets the eye
    Western nations are all following the US model of bulking up on DEBT. So much that it can NEVER be repaid. To add insult to injury there is are ever increasing handouts and the belief that we are 'owed', and this is the issue. When a slow-down hits the gravy train stops producing. With a pittance for coal and iron ore China is sending less money to Australia....but our spending continues to grow and the blame game goes on. Nobody wants a unilateral set of cuts. Least of all the entitlement fuelled politicians who refuse to address their greedy snouts thrust into the trough.
    Readers of this website and I dare say millions of other complacent Australians do not know what is coming. The financial system is going to have a 1920s depression and a total collapse no matter what is done because the world debt is at a level where it will only take ONE default of a medium sized country (Ireland, Italy, Portugal???). Then the rest will fall and investors will head for the exits.
    I know..........she'll be right, doomsdayer, glass half empty. The facts are the facts are the facts and it is not going to play out well. Of that I am certain.
    So whilst the pollies are indeed greedy, self interest, unaccountable little buggers pork barrelling to win votes and multinationals and election contributors to the Liberal Party are protected and given special privileges the game will play out. We will all suffer....including the rich. At that time folks expect to be on the menu again as the incumbent government will take almost everything you own in the name of the economy (which they have ruined).
    That's my bright star for the day. Sorry to ruin yours but this is not fanciful. It is based in fact.
    maxchugg
    29th Oct 2015
    11:26am
    The first step is to change the rules so that politicians cannot access their superannuation entitlements until they reach the age of retirement, which is now 70.
    Seriously, where is the incentive for politicians like Joe Hockey to do a good job? If he gets fired he doesn't go to the dole queues, he goes to the USA to a job that most people would only dream about, with endless lurks and perks and an annual income equal to the combined pension payments of at least half a dozen couples on an age pension.
    maelcolium
    27th Oct 2015
    10:32am
    It would seem that the freshly minted Minister was produced in the same coin mould as previous encumbents. Of course the welfare budget is going to "blowout" when the economy is in nosedive! But once again the rhetoric revolves around making recipients suffer while the government mismanages the economy. We should make these fair weather managers take pay cuts themselves when they make such a mess of their jobs rather than paying them handsome entitlements for doing nothing but jawboning. Having a crack at the disability sector is beyond repulsive.

    Sadly it seems the recycled leader of the LNP has lost control of the collective narrative when one of his newby's can't articulate a sensible and considered commentary. Enjoy the honeymoon Malcolm because it seems that you are on track for a quickie divorce
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    12:39pm
    What is truly sad is that this government is unlikely to collect from multinationals and the rich. Also, it is not likely that it will (willingly) close the superannuation loophole for the rich.
    Instead it appears that average citizens will continue to be the targets of mismanagement.
    Gra
    27th Oct 2015
    1:04pm
    Stopping the rorting by politicians and stop the handouts to refugees would see this "blowout" fizzle out.
    Wstaton
    27th Oct 2015
    1:30pm
    Whatever they say they forget that the largest amount of money injected back into the economy is from the average worker.

    Some of the rich are so rich they have to find ridiculous things to use their money. A diamond studded gold toothbrush for example.

    A gold diamond studded mobile phone.

    So help me. How much does this inject back into the economy.

    Stuff all. And if that isn't enough they don't want to pay the same percentage of tax we all do.
    Wstaton
    27th Oct 2015
    1:30pm
    Whatever they say they forget that the largest amount of money injected back into the economy is from the average worker.

    Some of the rich are so rich they have to find ridiculous things to use their money. A diamond studded gold toothbrush for example.

    A gold diamond studded mobile phone.

    So help me. How much does this inject back into the economy.

    Stuff all. And if that isn't enough they don't want to pay the same percentage of tax we all do.
    hedi
    27th Oct 2015
    10:54am
    Cut all the freebies for the retired politicians and cut also their pension when they are
    having tooooo much money, properties and also taking another job and getting payed for it.
    Wstaton
    27th Oct 2015
    1:31pm
    Wasn't Hockey the guy who accused housewives of double dipping?
    Travellersjoy
    27th Oct 2015
    11:06am
    How easily the well off feel entitled to take the little that the lowest 10% live on.

    First remove the capacity of the rich and corporate to avoid tax, then remove the tax subsidies they get. Especially the massive public subsidies given to privatised former public services.

    Second, prevent our wealth moving overseas five minutes after it is gained.

    Third, force executives and shareholders to bear the consequences of their poor business practices instead of bailing them out with money taken from the lowest paid.

    Fourth, review the companies act to improve accountability, responsibility for business practices being placed where they belong.

    Fifth, enforce the laws regulating business practices. Fraud, bribery and corruption have become shockingly common as 'light touch' regulation, ending 'red tape' and 'small government' have become a licence to lie, thieve, manipulated, cheat and steal. Even the Wool Board and the Reserve Bank have been undermined.

    When the government shows good faith on balancing the budget, I will take them seriously and they might command my support, but not before.
    maelcolium
    27th Oct 2015
    11:20am
    I read a report from Credit Suisse this morning which said that .7% of the world's population holds 46% of global wealth. Or in numbers that's 123.600 individuals. This is close to the figure of the early 1900's, is obscene and reflects inequity on a massive scale. It took two world wars to sort that mess out and the global oligarchs are at it again.
    Can anyone take governments seriously when this is permitted?
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    12:46pm
    Add to that making organisations like the ACCC and ASIC, which do nothing much other than employ letter writers, either deal with issues or close them down.
    I would like to see public servants paid according to the fines they collect and be accountable for actually serving the purpose they were employed for, not the BS which passes for work.

    maelcolium: In the US the 1% owns 90% of the total wealth. This is the problem and it is as clear as mud that this wealth is closely tied with outs from the real tax system. Whilst the wealthy pay big taxes when looked at AS A % OF THEIR INCOME it is disgraceful. Warren Buffett even (publicly) said that his secretary paid more tax than he did. That should not happen but is the norm. And then the bastards export their profits to Tax Havens and pay almost nothing. Time for a revolution methinks!
    Wstaton
    27th Oct 2015
    1:34pm
    Yea, if you or stuffed up a job then we would get kicked out most of the time without pay.

    These CEO do a bad job and they are told to resign with a huge bonus. latest one with 3 times his salary.
    Rae
    27th Oct 2015
    1:58pm
    It is very easy to ignore the comments of these liberal ministers while private contractors are paid billions of tax dollars to stuff everything up.

    If they keep taking income from the lowest earners the economy will fall over and the LNP will be solely to blame.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    8:23am
    Peters got nothing left to Rob !! :-(
    tisme
    27th Oct 2015
    11:12am
    the biggest cost to tax payers are the politicians but of course they wipe out those that can least afford it and with no means of defence. and when wiping out disabled etc instead of going after the cheats ( thats too expensive ) its easier to pick on those trying to do the right thing but when are we going to stop whinging about them and actually stand up walk out and protest ??
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    12:47pm
    The weakest are also the easiest targets. Disreputable behaviour from our leaders. So whose interests are these pariahs serving?
    phantom
    27th Oct 2015
    11:35am
    Bugger the Politicians, it's the people rorting disability support pension that's the killer. ADHD, Arthritis, RSI, the bad back specialist or the Dolie that doesn't want to fill out forms and get a PAY rise. Genuine people find it hard to get it but the rorters know what to tell the doctors. I know plenty of people doing it but can't do nothing because I'm not a doctor. There are jobs out there but most are to choosy to apply.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    12:50pm
    The welfare system needs a REAL overhaul. The problem you have is that the media, complete with violin, often paints a misleading picture for welfare crooks and the public service responds by relaxing the rules. The result is that the crooks thrive. So we have almost a million Australians on the Disability Pension. Bullshit! Sorry folks.
    Wstaton
    27th Oct 2015
    1:39pm
    I do find that a million people on a disability pension a bit hard to take.

    It is unfortunate that cracking down on them snare many innocents as well.
    Sundays
    27th Oct 2015
    3:50pm
    The disability support pension is claimed by people who are not disabled which stigmatises the genuine cases. I also don't understand why the income is tax exempt. Why isn't it treated like Newstart which is added to other income that might be earned
    and is taxable.
    MICK
    28th Oct 2015
    1:59pm
    I had a tenant a few years ago who was on the DSP. Had a bad back apparently...but went spear fishing all the time. Also walked pretty well I thought. There are more than a few of these sort of people doing the rounds but pollies refuse to attack the source and the media defends the indefensible. In the meantime decent hard working Aussies are the lemmings who pay and the country continues to slide into the gutter.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    2:34pm
    I've known Many of them Mick ! And there's no truth in this Dob Them In Garbage You hear !! :-( I never have said anything,but know people who have ! And they say they would NEVER dob one in again ! They were treated like Criminals ?? :-(
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    2:57pm
    I agree. Look what happened to Kathy Jackson. She had enough money too, to be a rich landlord like mick.
    MICK
    28th Oct 2015
    9:31pm
    Says a lot about the SYSTEM parti. You hear the empty threats all the time but only ever get action to scare people. What these organisations and their propaganda machines fail to understand is that rorters rort because THEY KNOW THE SYSTEM and know that nothing is going to happen to them. Same deal with petrol thieves. A growth industry. Why? Because they are not prosecuted and/or get a slap on the wrist by a court system which fails average citizens.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    9:42pm
    YEP !
    phantom
    27th Oct 2015
    11:40am
    If you are jealous of the politicians pay, bloody become one, get your snout in the trough. But have to be squeaky clean, learn to lie, do 8 years and you are set for life.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    12:51pm
    That is what low life disreputable good talkers amongst us do. Not a real lot of ethics left in our society! And we stand by and let it happen.
    Wstaton
    27th Oct 2015
    1:47pm
    Typical reply.

    Not everyone can become a politician like not everyone can become rich.

    Even if one did they end up being a cry in the ocean.

    Whats the alternative, Join a party and then have to suffer the factions to get in a position to even put on a ticket.

    Then you have to follow the party line irrespective what you believe.

    Apart from all that one has to make a living and are to busy doing that to survive.

    The only smart thing you have that you can make a difference is your vote. But as usual people will continue to vote just like their dad did and their dad before that no matter how they are disappointed in the established party.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    3:32pm
    VOTE INDEPENDENT. The best one you can find in your electorate. That way you have a fighting chance rather than the puppets who are controlled by factions and/or vested business interests which care nothing about the nation as a whole.
    It is sad that Australians have been brainwashed to believe that only Labor or Liberal can run the country. Nothing is further from the truth. Independents can keep the bastards honest....but you have to be careful that whoever you vote for is on your side and be prepared to flick them out at a moment's notice if he/she demonstrates that he/she is not working for the nation.
    I find it hard to comprehend that the electorate is so easy to manipulate and that it cannot see the game. Perhaps we truly deserve what we get.
    Snowwhite
    27th Oct 2015
    11:44am
    You totally nailed it with your comments Travellersjoy!
    How true.
    tisme
    27th Oct 2015
    11:47am
    then theres the centrelink doc who decided that cos a guy could work an hour a day he didnt qualify for disability. poilies dont know wat debt is , pay carers more than the 2.50 an hour they get ,
    Snowwhite
    27th Oct 2015
    11:55am
    Phantom you don't have to be a Doctor to report someone whom you think is rorting the system. So that's a lie. Also it is difficult to get a job whether you think so or not. My son is over qualified for just about every job he applies for and is having a lot of trouble landing a job.
    He has a Uni degree and several diplomas as well. So he's one of the most educated persons unemployed!! And he's willing to try anything at this stage. He's 30 and too old for Maccas etc but too inexperienced for professional jobs. So don't tell me there's plenty of jobs around. You or your family are obviously not affected to make those sweeping statements.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    12:53pm
    Try teaching. Plenty of jobs if you have a science or maths background.
    KSS
    27th Oct 2015
    1:16pm
    Here's a thought snowwhite, your son could re-work his CV for each job application. Remove some of those diplomas for example and tailor the application to meet the specifics of the job he is applying for. That is a basic job application technique. Yes it may be a 'dumbing-down' of his capabilities but does he want a job or not? At 30 he may be the most 'educated person unemployed' but he could equally be the most 'educated person employed' in a lower level job. Once he has a job it is easier to get another one and at least he could be working whilst he continues to look for something more appropriate.

    And before all the haters wade in, I have been in this position and was over 55, so I have some experience of how this works.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    1:37pm
    First saw this sort of account at university 45 years ago KSS. American PHD student in Engineering. After several job applications, each one less articulate than the last, he ended up sending a truck driver illegible lingo application.....and got the job. I thought it was supposed to be a joke. Maybe not!
    Batara
    27th Oct 2015
    3:00pm
    Yeah, I did that myself KSS. I was in my 60s, so removed any mention of my age, omitted the fact that I had been a director of a couple of companies and generally dumbed down the CV. Guess what. It worked.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    8:39am
    All that reminded Me of the Richest Man in the Cemetery !! :-)
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    10:19am
    Snow it depends on your locality as to number of opportunities. And sometimes it's difficult to see the opportunities in the face of so much negativity. KSS has offered a very practical idea. I like it.

    Another opportunity your son has while unemployed is to reassess what he really wants to do? Rather than trying to change himself into someone who fits a particular job on any given day, he could profile himself into a job that suits him. I know it sounds like the long way round but it really works! Profiling is used to catch crooks and it can be even more effective in achieving goals.
    I have used this method a few times in my life to change career paths and it has worked each time.
    Once you get the interview the conversation usually starts by, " we didn't advertise and we don't have any vacancies" To which my reply is usually " I'm aware of that Mr.... my intention today is to save you the cost of advertising when you do have a vacancy. :)
    In the meantime he could apply for a $50 per hr job with the ABS.
    MICK
    28th Oct 2015
    2:04pm
    The sort of post one expects from you Frank. AT least it is not a political slogan for the LNP on this occasion. Thanks for sparing us!
    The issue is not all the blah blah you went on with Frank. The issue is that the nation is going out of business.....not because of unions, but rather because politicians and their vested interests of both persuasion have sold out the nation and sent many jobs overseas. The ongoing cries about wage rates and penalty rates are nothing more than noise because at the heart of all of this is the fact that WE DO NOT DEVELOP ANYTHING HERE. WE FLOG OFF ANYTHING OF VALUE and then buy back the fruits of other countries.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    2:38pm
    Mick !! The Chinese just Bought Out Bindaree Beef Abattoirs in Inverell !!
    FREE TRADE ? :-)
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    3:10pm
    I suppose the first project on the agenda is an airport runway in the fattening paddock?
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    3:54pm
    And some Coal from the Liverpool Plains for their Furnace !! :-( :-( They Cant Lose !!
    NEXT !!
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    4:16pm
    I reckon the CFMEU will open an office at the airport terminal to check for 457 papers as well as Fridays pay slips to make sure they have their 1 week off in China with plenty to spend.
    MICK
    28th Oct 2015
    9:39pm
    Parti: Australian politicians have some real blood on their hands. They continue to see off everything they can. AT least Barnaby Joyce cared enough about the next election to stand up to hatchetman Abbott with regard to the Liverpool Plains. Good to one person in this government understands that long term food supply in the richest soil in the nation is worth more than a 30 year max coal mine. Sadly the rest of the 'team' are coal disciples.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    9:50pm
    I think they've got Coal for Eyes like Cold Snowmen !! :-(
    Adrianus
    29th Oct 2015
    9:03am
    mick, you like to blame Tony Abbott for everything. There was really nothing he could do about the mine. It was all agreed to by the previous Labor State government and paid for by the time Abbott was elected. Joyce was hoping for a veto but it was too late.
    Dot
    27th Oct 2015
    12:29pm
    In my days there was no welfare for refugees, no baby bonuses, no single mothers pension.
    Only retiree's and those temporary unemployed received the welfare, child endowment was about 6.50 per month.
    The minute single mothers pension was introduced it gave the loser's the opportunity to breed. Then the influx of refugees in the past decade and a half were given so much money they continue to arrive and also breed, so stop complaining and return the welfare system to what it was previously.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    12:57pm
    We have all of these because of pork barrelling by politicians. This is essentially political bribes to get people to vote for you. Tony Abbott and his government promised Paid Parental Leave....but of course lied, as with most of his other promises.
    So now we have all of these 'entitlements' which we are stuck with because any attempt to remove some will lead to the incumbent government being voted OUT. And of course the Liberal government NEVER has bilateral agreements with anything which comes from Labor. Bugger the country! Reform of the welfare system and tax generally need to be fixed and SHOULD be beyond party politics. THAT IS WHAT REAL LEADERS WOULD DO!!!!!
    Tigers
    27th Oct 2015
    1:04pm
    A sensible voice at last Dot, amongst all the typical left wing whingers, that blame everything on the Liberal Govt. Its amazing how much damage the poor me brigade can lump them with. Nothing ever changes.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    1:07pm
    Some people tell it like it is. Some are party trolls with fingers in both ears.
    Tigers
    27th Oct 2015
    3:41pm
    That would be a pleasant change mick, lets hope you start the trend, because at the moment, its left wing poor me whingers that do nothing but complain.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    7:37pm
    "Blame" needs to fall where it belongs.........and that is not solely on the left........unless you are paid to do so and your name is Frank methinks.
    Tigers
    27th Oct 2015
    8:06pm
    mick, how simple you are. Keep voting Labor and keep being satisfied with underachievers. I guess you're too old to realise what terrible mistakes you've made, but you're one vote. Our nation at this point in time is very satisfied with our leader, your choice comes a very distant second. I cant believe that anyone would be stupid enough to vote for Shorten, but nothing surprises me anymore, sadly.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    10:26pm
    I never vote Labor. I never vote for your football team either. Sorry to disappoint you!

    Your post mirrors the Frank propaganda....never a response to the facts. Always anti Labor propaganda, once again with no facts. And then insults when you are taken to task.

    Simple? Really? so where did you get your degree from?

    At present Malcolm is having his honeymoon. It has already been unveiled that he has money in a Tax Haven (Cayman Islands). And in the past week the right to hide assets has been put into legislation. That is what crooks do: hide and protect their 'rights'. And to add insult to injury it looks like the new PM is running with most of the SAME policies which made Abbott so unpopular.

    So I am "simple" for questioning the boots and all behaviour and election lies from this government? Really? Well so then are many Australians who feel the same way about crooked politicians whatever side of politics they are on.
    Tigers
    28th Oct 2015
    8:54am
    See what I mean mick, a total waste of time. Insults, your very first comment was an insult. Rules for some eh mick, typical.
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    10:51am
    mick why do so many of your posts start with "I never vote Labor."??
    Yet you support every move they make. Well almost everyone. You don't seem to support their weakening of our border control and increasing our welfare budget to accommodate their blunder.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    10:52am
    I said that down the bottom here in One Sentence !! Shut The Gates !! HELP ! :-(
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    11:46am
    Yes I know. mick's union mates had to repay the Greens, the ABC and West Sydney for their help in getting elected. The unions are very hypocritical on the 457 issue. There are more 457 workers in union jobs than the rest of the country pro rata.
    MICK
    28th Oct 2015
    2:06pm
    Trolls are not worth the time of day. A pity that some are allowed to post under several different names. The normal crap!
    Lescol
    27th Oct 2015
    12:35pm
    Statistics suggest things but it is the politicians that make them LIE. How can such a blowout occur? Most of my friends just now becoming eligible for a pension have been denied it. We also know whom to vote for in the coming elections.
    KSS
    27th Oct 2015
    1:02pm
    If people are being 'denied' an age pension it is because they have sufficient assets of their own. That is exactly how it should be. The age pension should be reserved for those who truly need it not those who think they 'deserve' it. The same goes for all Centrelink payments. It is meant to be a safety net NOT a lifestyle choice which it seems to have become in some people's minds at least.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    1:09pm
    And those who make welfare a way of life........with people who work paying for their lifestyle choices?
    Wstaton
    27th Oct 2015
    2:04pm
    Yes the original reason for pensions have left peoples minds.

    The Pension is set. If responsible people created wealth to exist after retirement (at pension age of course) they should get some reward.

    If income generated does not equal the pension then they should get the difference plus maybe a little bonus for making the effort.

    In today's way where people get the bonus up front with super concessions is wrong. Move the concessions to the end but only for them who have made the effort but haven't quite achieved the level they were hoping for.

    Or maybe this is to simple.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    3:35pm
    Your model is good Wstaton but relies on fairness and the abolition of the greedy grab for money by the rich and those who choose to be professional bludgers for an entire lifetime. Says a fair bit about what we have become.....and what a bunch of apathetic mugs we are to stand by and not stop the rorts.
    tisme
    27th Oct 2015
    12:58pm
    the politicians spend us into debt mostly on themselves and everyone but them have to pay it back
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    1:39pm
    Only partly true. There has been decades of pork barreling (election bribes!). So we now have a whole subculture of leeches with entitlement beliefs and expectations.... which workers pay for.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    12:59pm
    Force all multinationals to pay the correct amount of tax and there would be more than $44 billion in the coffers. So maybe ask WHY this is not done. Election funding bribes to politicians? Mates/kickbacks? Jobs after politics?
    Where there's smoke there's fire. There's one raging here with no will to fix.
    Wstaton
    27th Oct 2015
    2:06pm
    People are at fault here. If we know this is happening why are the heck a.re we voting for them
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    10:28pm
    Now THAT is the real question.
    Might it be that voters are completely apathetic and expect their government to do the right thing?
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2015
    10:52pm
    Yes where there's smoke there's fire. They must be burning the midnight oil to not know if a particular bribe came by cheque or in a paper bag!! Labor had 6 years to do something about profit shifting by the multinationals and did nothing but whinge about it. I wonder why????
    MICK
    28th Oct 2015
    9:40pm
    Cop outs and lies is all you can expect from this LNP government and its paid trolls. Never any blame accepted.
    Wstaton
    29th Oct 2015
    9:05am
    Well Frank that may be the case but does that give the excuse for this government not to do anything about it.
    Adrianus
    29th Oct 2015
    11:09am
    Wstaton, don't you follow the news. It's happening. As Hockey said it is a global issue which requires co-operation from other countries. We now have reached a stage of agreement and this government has developed a ground breaking system to identify whether appropriate levels of tax are being paid in the correct jurisdiction. One of Joe's biggest triumphs which he will not be around for sadly.
    But let's not let the facts get in the way of having a good old whinge, right ;)
    Jockym
    27th Oct 2015
    1:15pm
    I am not a politician, nor am I particularly brainy, however it's a simple solution.
    Make the rules for the pollies the same as for the working man and stop so many pay outs to other countries.
    Also, let's collect taxes from the big side of town. Perhaps then we might just make it.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    1:40pm
    Maybe close the current PM's Tax Shelter in the Cayman Islands?
    kinkakuji
    27th Oct 2015
    1:21pm
    Something’s not right!
    Seems we constantly hear about how the Australian Old Age Pension Plan could run out of money. How come we never hear about welfare and illegal immigration support running out of money?
    What's interesting is that the first group "worked for" their money, but the second group didn’t.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    1:42pm
    Well that costs too many votes so you do not shake that tree. Also, most pensioners are not interested in politics (end of life) so what easier group to attack than those whose offer path of least resistance?
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    9:47pm
    Never hear about the Polly Perk Fund running Dry either ?? But that's another story !
    KSS
    27th Oct 2015
    1:29pm
    Oh how predictable people are. Singing the same green-eyed refrain; "Strip the politicians of their pensions, but leave MY welfare payments alone!"
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    1:42pm
    Has to be both. With you on that one.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    12:20pm
    I don't think they are saying take their Pension at all !! They are saying give them the SAME Pension as any other Citizen of this Wide Brown Land !! THEY ARE NOT ROYALTY !! :-(

    27th Oct 2015
    1:35pm
    There wouldn't be any "welfare blowout" or blowout anywhere else if those in the federal government got off their duffs and stopped payments to the welfare cheats, put an end to lengthening those on the dole (illegal migrants, "refugees", etc), reducing the jail population by sending the encarcerated back to their countries of citizenship, and generally do the job they are there for rather than trying to please and placate other countries by accepting their trash and then using taxpayers' dollars to support them. Look after your own yard first before looking over the fence to see what the neighbours need to have done. Charity, compassion, and common sense starts at home!
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    1:44pm
    But what would happen to the incumbent government at the next election? Thrown out of office.
    That is why we need bipartisan support with some issues. But don't expect this from a right wing government like this one. Never happens!
    Paulodapotter
    27th Oct 2015
    2:04pm
    All those supposed solutions, Fast Eddie, makes up a miniscule percentage of welfare payouts. Spending money on incarcerating refugees has far exceeded any and all of your supposed savings. The facts are we are spending on "no return" solutions such as war and imprisonment. Putting refugees to work as citizens will return infinitely more than we spend on keeping them out. The solution to welfare is to spend it on initiatives that provides return, such as preventative health spending, rehabilitation of minor offenders who overload our prison system and educating the ignorant yobbo sector of which I suspect you are a member.
    Anonymous
    27th Oct 2015
    2:20pm
    Apelpotter, you are totally uninformed and deluded, have no statistics whatsoever to support your prattle, and are living in a fool's world if you think refugees can deliver a positive return. You do not know me or what "sector" I am from, so I consider you to be even more ignorant than your last comment. YOU are the dregs of society who brings a bad name to sites like this with your rude remarks and foolish statements. See your psychiatrist and parole officer post haste.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    3:39pm
    Paulodapper: your post ignores the fact that DOING NOTHING simply encourages whatever you are trying to stop.
    Being a do-gooder might make you feel good but in the end you are the loser, and your family, and their families. The Sarah Hanson-Young brigade are the tearer downers of society as they bleat into the microphones whilst at the same time selling out their nation for their brain snaps.........whilst totally ignoring what they are unleashing on a happy country. God help us and save us from fools with ideas!
    sexeebear
    27th Oct 2015
    1:58pm
    of course the welfare is going to blow out we have an ageing population.. but they've known about this for decades its just a furfee... another bad example is in qld today our idiot premier says we're going to take 3500 syrians.. now that alone over 40 year they dont work and they breed is going to cost several billions.. we already have 55000 qlders on the housing waiting list so are these so called refugees coming with enough money to build houses for themselves. i have to wait 1 year for an appointment at the dental hospital are they going to provide 100 more dentists to cope same applies to the dole office 100 new staff school 300 special needs teachers and all the social do gooders say another 1000 not to mention its unlikely they will contribute to the economy although the likelihood is they will start a cash business in the ghetto they create... we have a similar situation in coorparoo where the silly bloody catholic church sponsored several thousand christians from sudan.. again no resources for housing etc as above. and look at the cash ghetto we now have in a suburb which was once quite sough after... i honestly wonder sometime if these so called leaders and politicians have their heads.. up their XXXXX buy the look of it. these refugees and illegal immigrants are making me live like a second class citizen and having paid 47 c in the dollar all my working life i dont like it.
    Paulodapotter
    27th Oct 2015
    2:08pm
    Absolute balderdash. Immigrants create wealth, not the reverse. Educate yourself.
    Anonymous
    27th Oct 2015
    2:25pm
    You, Apelpotter, need a few courses in courtesy, refinement, and anger management before continuing to make your foul comments on this or any other website.
    Jannie
    27th Oct 2015
    3:04pm
    I agree with you sexeebear refugees are getting more than pensioners due to the number of children they have also they get handouts eg furniture, clothing, food the list goes on. Paulodapotter you are only hearing what the government want you to hear through the media. The refugees are as a whole not working, they cannot speak english so how are they creating wealth???
    Jannie
    27th Oct 2015
    3:07pm
    Also I live in a suburb where there are majority muslims guess what prices have dropped on our properties. Put the masses of immigrants in a suburb where the do gooders live including some pollies.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    3:52pm
    Paulodapotter: you need to inform yourself mate. SOME immigrants create wealth. Most create COST. If you think that the importation of people during the past 20 years is 'free' then go back to blond planet. We need to house and feed these people and then infrastructure (hospitals, teachers, nurses, roads, railways, etc.) all need to be upgraded.
    For an absolute starter let's find the REAL figures on how many of our newly arrived citizens actually work and how many park themselves on eternal social security.
    Is this rocket science?
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2015
    5:16pm
    sexeebear, I agree. I read an article somewhere which described some immigrants, in fact 90% of them, still being on unemployment benefits after 5 years. They spend 4 years at Uni learning to speak English. Why do we still have 1,000,000 people in Australia who cannot speak English?
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    10:23am
    mick, I think you are beginning to get a realistic insight into the ABC culture.
    MICK
    28th Oct 2015
    2:11pm
    Frank: you hate the ABC because it is not a LNP mouthpiece and cannot be silenced or made to push a one sided view. This is why Abbott wanted to sell it off............to be bought by a media mogul like Rupert Murdoch and gutted so that ALL views were no longer given and the facts manipulated to suit the business aims of the new owner(s).
    If you want to talk about "culture" then lets talk about the nine media FEMINIST culture or the 7 media right wing bias.....did you see the Chris Bath coverage on election night last federal election? Yeah, real culture! The network should have been put off the air after that one.
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2015
    5:19pm
    Let's not forget that during the Rudd, Gillard, Rudd nightmare 200,000 illegal immigrants settled here and 90% of them are still on Centrelink benefits.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    7:34pm
    And let's not forget that this government has tried to tax average Australians to death whilst lowering the corporate tax rate for its election funding (rich) donators.
    And let's not forget that this government also has a PM who has money invested in the Cayman Islands....a known Tax Shelter, set up to avoid paying taxes in the country of origin.
    ANd then lets not forget about the Coal industry and big banking> both getting legislation written for their (financial) benefit.
    Stay on track and stop trolling for your employer and you will not have to wear flack. Better still mention the sins of BOTH sides.......
    Adrianus
    27th Oct 2015
    10:44pm
    mick if you are referring to the company tax reduction it was for small businesses only not big business. I'm pleased that your knowledge knows no bounds. How do you know who those people donated to? A donation under $1,000 is not registered.
    It's true the tax rate in the Cayman's is 0% and many businesses like to register their office there. But particularly those hedge fund managers which do many trades in a day. It saves a lot of paperwork to be able to pay the tax on income distributions in the recipient's country of residence.
    mick you are running out of excuses for your union buddies.
    Everyone knows we are having trouble paying our growing welfare bill. We desperately need a productivity increase, an increase in our balance of trade and an increase in our GDP. So what do your union / Labor mates do?? Oppose the China FTA, stop the Adani project. If they get back in during the next 5 years we are stuffed and everyone knows this except you mick! Start batting for Australia!
    MICK
    28th Oct 2015
    2:17pm
    Ha, ha, ha. You crack me up.
    TURNBULL HAS MONEY IN THE CAYMAN ISLANDS!!! Please explain!
    Labor opposed the FTA for one reason: because there was a provision for CHina to bring its own labour force in. Your rant is the normal dishonest crap you write!
    The country has a balance of trade deficit because successive government (that mean BOTH sides) have refused to develop anything here and simply SELL OFF everything. Now the chickens are coming home to roost!
    Good try to scare readers with your anti-union babble. Readers will make their own decisions and they will see that this is just the next scare campaign from the rich pushing their personal government into office to do their bidding. Not rocket science!
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    2:50pm
    mick you crack yourself up mate!
    Tell me why, in the 11th hour, Labor voted in favour of the FTA UNCHANGED! That's right mick, no changes that the CFMEU were scaring mums and dads with.
    marls
    28th Oct 2015
    8:06pm
    frank
    I agree with you these migrants have a number of wives and heaps of children all on welfare and each wife has dept housing all a taxpayers expense, then of course comes of the violence, these people bring, like murder, rapes, stealing child brides, genitle mutilation drugs - ice terrorism and of course of forgot the hundreds of thousands we give them for legal aid to get more benefits from the taxpayers. and what about all the money we spend on mosques
    Crimmo
    27th Oct 2015
    6:34pm
    The other night I watched porn on SBS, funded by the taxpayer. You have to wonder about the government's priorities for spending public money. Money wasted is money lost. Go back to basics to sort out and justify public spending.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    2:43pm
    Was it Good Porn ? :-) :-)
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    3:16pm
    The ABC's nephew, the SBS needs a clean out!!!
    wally
    27th Oct 2015
    9:41pm
    The solution is really quite simple. Get more people into the work force and pay taxes. Of course the hard part is developing policies that create jobs appropriate to the skill level of the unemployed person.

    Having visited some of our "gentrified" country towns, I have seen several coffee shops and cafes jostling each other along the main street. I do not think that having people making coffee for each other, mowing each others' lawns or walking each others' dogs is the optimum form of employment for Australia's unemployed.

    Adding people to an already bloated bureaucracy isn't going to help much either. Tony Abbott, when PM, spoke of creating infrastructure projects such as building dams to conserver water. Even Bob Hawke in the 1980's spoke of a large scale tree planting program in the Australian Outback. The hard part was getting the unemployed out of their comfort zones and getting them into the work force. That was a nettle none of the politicians wanted to grasp. It does not seem as if they are too keen to do so today. Unless they do, and institute a nationwide work for the dole scheme (with substantial financial bonus cash payments for completing so many months work to encourage the unemployed to stick with the work program) nothing will be done to address the problem.
    MICK
    27th Oct 2015
    10:33pm
    There are no jobs wally. We have flogged most off to a cheaper Asia. And of course may Australians do not want to work. That is why the Social Security policies need to be toughened. Otherwise they will continue to be rorted and the country will continue to go down the gurgler.
    I agree with your sentiments: we need EXPORT JOBS to pay for imports. What we have is 'funny' jobs which do nothing to stop the debt build up. They just don't get it!
    Yeah....there needs to be a Work For The Dole Scheme. No show up, no benefit payments. No excuses! Don't hold your breath though as our governments are too frightened to do what is needed.
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    9:12am
    Good post wally. We need to have a work for the dole scheme, which may include private and public sector involvement.
    I don't know how effective these employment agencies are but I do know they make a few people very rich.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    3:58pm
    I want to see them shovelling Road Gravel in a Burqua and Nighty !! :-) :-)
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    4:26pm
    A Sydney school recently had a mass walkout of students from the parade ground while Advance Australia Fair was playing. They said it was too cheery. I could understand if it was Gimme Some Lovin' or Beautiful Day by U2, but the Anthem???
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    4:33pm
    That was only the thin edge of the Wedge Frank ! Wait till they get Started ! :-(
    Chris B T
    28th Oct 2015
    6:04pm
    Many years ago intermediate certificate, school certificate was enough to 70% of employment requirements.
    Now a Uni Degree doesn't do it without work experience.
    There would be as with many years ago young and old who don't cope well with academic's, trouble is low skilled base jobs are filled with over educated people. Some of which are happy to stay where they are employed and at that level.
    This is all before you talk about Migrant's etc/Non English Speaking people.
    They all can't be like Con The Fruiterer, Taxi Driver , Domestic Help.
    This is why for most employment is beyond them as employers have access to higher educated unemployed.
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    6:43pm
    Chris I have interviewed thousands of job applicants and my experience has been that everyone wants a job but nobody wants to work. I have employed people with no experience and no trade on the basis that they really wanted to work. You're right, these days you need the degree but you also need the enthusiasm. This is the result of a prosperous country with low unemployment for decades. Employees are being treated very well these days and the selection process has improved with it.
    Chris B T
    28th Oct 2015
    9:18pm
    Frank
    The problem is culling. Enthusiasm is Excellent but how do you show that if you are culled from the selection process. Try again, at the same place.
    There is always people who won't try, but knock backs one after another for menial tasking jobs by overqualifed will take it's toll.
    The Balance of jobs to education requirements and lack of jobs for higher educated is becoming the main issue.
    When you regected someone did you tell them why, or where they could improve. You have stated you interviwed thousands how many returned and where accepted for the position.
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    11:01pm
    Chris, I only ever interviewed around 3 for a position and advised them on how they were going throughout the process. Those who weren't successful were advised and encouraged. Some wanted to come back in for a discussion even though they didn't get the job. You could have 60 applicants for a job and each resume offers something different. I would phone all 60 of them, I know it takes all day, but the whole process is that costly that you try to perfect it so you are not doing the same thing again next week. A new employee costs money for about 3 months or more before they complete training and their peers start to rely on them.
    I made a few mistakes. One applicant I chose not to interview for a sales position left a couple of previous jobs off the CV. He said he didn't think they were relevant. I would have interviewed him had I known at the time.
    You see applicants often assume they know everything there is to know about the job before they do it for some reason?
    People develop a variety of skills throughout life but those skills can be grouped into 2 main categories, what they learn during work and what they learn when they're not at work. By way of example, when I looked at resume's for a sales position, invariably I went directly to the section which deals with pastimes, sports, hobbies. Looking for a game player with competitive spirit.
    Knock backs are the hardest thing to overcome especially for younger people. If you have a child who is feeling down about rejection one of the best ways to learn how to handle it is by getting a job which has a lot of rejection. such as a commission only sales job door to door. Nobody gets more rejections than those guys. They get attacked by dogs guns pointed at them etc. its a real confidence booster :)
    Chris B T
    29th Oct 2015
    7:45am
    Frank
    Your missing the point of menial tasking jobs, no real training, shown once or mybe twice.
    CV for what how you have not improved from last position or no position as this is their first job if you past the culling, then the interview for menial tasking jobs.
    Adrianus
    29th Oct 2015
    8:56am
    Chris
    I don't understand your point. "no real training, shown once or mybe twice."

    "CV for what how you have not improved from last position or no position as this is their first job if you past the culling, then the interview for menial tasking jobs. "
    What is the point you're making?
    Applicants need to show an interest by having taken appropriate training?
    Chris B T
    29th Oct 2015
    9:51am
    Frank
    Sweeping floors,collecting trollies,fruit picking and packing.
    Just a few, with training we sweep to the right then left and pickup a pile of rubbish with a dust bin. Certificate 1 then for Certificate 2 you can wash the floor, Certificate 3 you can select detergents and train others. Is this the training you are referring to.
    Menial Tasking Jobs.
    Yes places require CV's for these jobs, there are not enough jobs to satisfy the higher educated so they dumb down to the lower end jobs.
    I would imagine a person in sales would require more skills.
    Unless your selling brooms and mops, but then you still need computer skills and phone skills where training would be required.
    Entry point to work force with previous experience, yes plenty of knock backs.
    A lot of TRAINING FOR JOBS by providers only PROVIDES A JOB & INCOME FOR THE PROVIDER.
    Adrianus
    29th Oct 2015
    10:15am
    Chris, it is you who is perhaps missing the point?
    Employers will not hire someone with a poor attitude because it is too hard and far too costly to "re-program" that person. Skills can be learned but in many cases sadly attitude cannot.

    Anyone can mop a floor, but not everyone can mop it the way it needs to be mopped!!

    "Show me what you want me to do and how you want me to do it? Show me how to use the tools and I will guarantee it is done better than anyone has done it before!"

    That is what employers are looking for.

    Chris ignorance is not the enemy of Knowledge!! It is incorrect knowledge which is the enemy!!
    I have had a few hundred different jobs in my life and have learned the only thing that matters whether you write, make the call, or get a sit down interview. The ONLY thing that matters is that you convince the hirer that you will do the job better than it has ever been done!!!
    I have proved this works time and time again!!
    That is why I have never looked in job vacancy papers for a job since I was a teenager. I have decided what it is I want to do then look for places of business where I can do it!!
    Open your mind to the possibilities??? And learn how to change those possibilities to reality.
    Chris B T
    29th Oct 2015
    12:24pm
    Frank.
    Your words " I have had a few hundred different jobs in my life"
    What better than 5 jobs per year on average over 40 years.
    Well stability wasn't an issue for you.
    You must been in training for a long time.
    My comments are and still is getting the first Job when culling takes place and no correspondence made for menial task jobs.
    Good for you, you have made a life time of seeking a new job every 2.5 months on average is this Reality you belive in.
    I don't think this is what most people are seeking, you seem to be happy with The Knowledge Of How To Seek A New Job.
    Adrianus
    29th Oct 2015
    12:53pm
    I'm not talking to most people, I'm talking to you Chris! You can average it out if you like, but I remember starting 3 jobs in one day once, and 7 in a week. The longest I ever stayed in a job was 15 years.
    I treated the process as a learning experience and became addicted, I guess.?
    What's the alternative? I mean for a kid who had to start work at 10 and having a first full time job at 14? I guess I wanted to be independent. I wasn't being dishonest. On the contrary, I was being more honest than most would be.
    You talk about "getting the first Job when culling takes place and no correspondence made for menial task jobs."
    It's difficult to know what your problem is but I'm getting the opinion that you are applying for jobs and being rejected (culled) which is forcing you to be angry and harm yourself by seeing your future as hopeless? Am I right?
    Chris B T
    29th Oct 2015
    5:58pm
    Since when this Crap you are on about is about me.
    May be if you stayed in one job more than a moment in time you may have learnt something eariler than later.
    This site is about WELFARE,I'm self funded retiree.
    I'm stating what is happening you are talking about yourself and story talling about your past.
    The present is what we live in I think you are angry about payments that are available now that you missed out on in the past.
    Most people want stability in employment and fair pay.
    As you said you had to work very young. What ever the reason that is in the past. Move into now.
    particolor
    29th Oct 2015
    6:34pm
    Some Cant ! :-)
    Adrianus
    29th Oct 2015
    7:20pm
    HA HA HA!!! ok I'm moving on to the next forum :)
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    8:17am
    Serves them Right!! For Importing more than is Good For Us !1:-(
    marls
    28th Oct 2015
    7:55pm
    what a load of rubbish the govt should be concentrating on all the migrants that have multiple wives and heaps of children on all welfare as a taxpayer I have worked for my pension. also the blow is more likely be in the amount of violence we have in this country, DV, drive bye shootings robberies assauts, murder not to mention all the drug probs, not to mention the hugh increase in rapes now happening, this is were most of tax payers money is going not to mention also the billions wasted on legal aide to defends all these criminals that don't like the outcome
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    8:01pm
    Watch out !! You'll be called a Racist in a Minute ! Even though You mentioned a Race ?? :-)
    MICK
    28th Oct 2015
    9:52pm
    Most of the crime comes from second generation immigrants. Large scale dole bludging comes from all. This is a scourge which needs to be addressed. Of course there is no need to keep bringing more and more people in who simply do not fit our model of what society is supposed to be.
    particolor
    28th Oct 2015
    9:56pm
    Go and wash Your mouth out !! : You You Racist !! :-)
    Adrianus
    28th Oct 2015
    10:23pm
    mick, I think you're being a little harsh on Labor. They did the best they could to control our borders, but they said it couldn't be done without starting a war with Indonesia.
    Didn't you see the tearful sobbing in parliament when they tried to stop all those people from drowning?
    Gigi
    30th Oct 2015
    10:50am
    I think the Disability Pension is a great place to start. I worked in Community Welfare for many years & there are many on Disability Pension that should never have received one in the first instance. That's not the majority just a few but enough to make the Disability Pension a joke. Carers Pension needs reviewing as well, some should never have got the Carers Pension in first instance whilst others are still receiving the Carers Pension but are not Caring for anyone. Having a baby is also very lucrative what happened to receiving a pittance in child endowment?? Yes clearly there are issues with Politicians Super & entitlements which does need to be balanced against safeguarding the information they have gained as a Minister or Member of Parliament against what is reasonable remuneration to receive from the taxpayer. Reform/s needs to be the major agenda of all political parties, not point scoring or chasing one's one political agenda
    particolor
    30th Oct 2015
    4:46pm
    Now all we need is one or two Ministers on here to explain their Entitlements to us ! In a Language that is Spoken By The Public ! Not some Manufactured Polly Speak Gobbledegook Political Correctness !!
    Haitch
    30th Oct 2015
    5:49pm
    I would of thought those highly paid public servants in Treasury and Finance along with their colleges in Welfare would be well aware of the ever changing demands on the system. The crystal ball is obsolete, have they all been navel gazing? Since WW2 ended there has been a huge increase in the population of this great nation, Something called the "baby boomers" have been the main contributor. Nothing has changed the progression where we are at, was and is, totally expected. Surely this scenario has been well and truly planned for. If not why not and who is responsible? To use the dramatic language of "Welfare Blowout" to incite a reaction to Pollies Pensions how about using a different tack. Let us the people of this wonderful nation have good Governance with Good Fiscal responsibility, if then the question of parity in pensions arises if the task is well done then the reward should reflect that, If not that Too should be the grim reflection.
    geomac
    30th Oct 2015
    10:05pm
    Why is the increased figure termed a blowout ? The population will be much bigger and even at 6.2 % of present unemployment tax revenue will be bigger. What expenditure such as health or defence will not be bigger ? Meanwhile we still have the rent seekers saying we need a higher GST so that the tax rate can be lowered. We have inquiries about this and that but cannot contemplate an inquiry into the illegal finance sector practices of the big banks. In fact the coalition wants to relax the rules governing those rules plus attack not for profit super funds to assist the banks.