Older worker program failing

Restart is failing to get older workers back in to employment.

Older worker program failing

Announced in the 2014 Federal Budget, the Government’s Restart program to get older workers back into employment has failed to deliver on target uptake.

In its first year of operation (1 July 2014 – 30 June 2015), the program has seen just 1735 older workers return to employment. With a target of assisting 32,000, this falls well short of what would be expected.

Under the scheme, a $10,000 subsidy is paid to employers hiring people over 50 who have been out of work for a period of more than six months. The employee must work 30 hours per week and be employed for a period of 12 months or more. The subsidy is paid in two installments – and initial $6500 and a $3500 bonus if the employment lasts longer than 12 months. For those who employ an eligible older worker for 15-29 hours per week over a 12-month period, the subsidy will be paid pro rata.

Employment Minister Michaelia Cash said that the uptake was actually 2500, when those helped since 1 July this year were included. "Restart is a demand-driven programme and the government budgeted for a maximum uptake of 32,000," she said. However, the Government has conceded that there are flaws with the program and has made moves to reduce its complexity, as well as changes which will see the $10,000 paid over 12, rather than, 24 months.

Opposition spokesman Brendan O’Connor took the opportunity to have a dig at the Government at the program’s expense, "It's the government's program that needs a restart as it's proving to be a dismal failure," he? said.

"No amount of rhetorical flourish from the Prime Minister can hide the real reason the program doesn't work – there simply are not the jobs available."

However, it should be noted that under the last Labor Government’s Experience + Jobs bonus scheme, was equally inaccessible. Of the 10,000 target, only 230 employers took advantage of the $1000 annual subsidy also aimed at getting older workers back into employment.

Read more at The Age 

Opinion: No jobs = no subsidy

Any government that recognises the need to assist older workers return to the workforce should be applauded, but when there are simply no jobs available, no amount of subsidy can help.

The death of traditional manufacturing industries in Australia has had a tremendous impact on the employment landscape. Not only are there no jobs available for those entering the workforce, there is very little hope for those more mature workers losing the jobs which they have done most of their lives.

A couple of weeks ago I met Rob, who had been employed in the automotive industry and who now finds himself, aged over 50, driving an Uber cab to make ends meet while he tries to find another job. Rob certainly isn’t alone, but could be considered one of the lucky ones as he at least has his own car and can drive for Uber.

Currently, unemployment of Australians over 55 sits at 64 per cent. Data from the Australian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) says that, on average, it will take a mature worker looking for employment more than one year, or an average of 70 weeks, to find employment. For all other age groups, it takes 37 weeks.

With the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate currently sitting at 6.2 per cent, the lack of employment opportunities for all age groups clearly needs to be addressed. Rather than announcing grand schemes such as Restart, or appointing an Ambassador for Mature Age Workers, the Government should be looking to protect Australian jobs, not opening the door for foreign companies through free trade agreements or cutting subsidies from manufacturing industries.

And what about those employed thanks to the subsidies offered to employers? When the two-year assistance package runs out, are they back on the scrapheap again? Clearly ageism exists for older workers, but until the Government looks at the bigger picture, no one will find it easy to get back to, and remain in, work.

Do you think employment opportunities for older workers really exist? Is offering employers a subsidy the best way to help people find work? Can you see any ways in which the Government can address the lack of employment opportunities for all Australians?





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    tisme
    9th Nov 2015
    10:04am
    there arent the jobs out there , enough for all. my 30 year old cant get work either and she has been to college etc not from lack of trying. but politicians always live in a different world to the rest of us
    Happy cyclist
    9th Nov 2015
    11:07am
    Politicians do not need to live in a different world. We are the people who vote for the politicians. If the people running for parliament are not the people we wish to have representing us then its up to us to change the candidates. Good example, Jackie Lambie! Like her or not, she was a regular person who had enough of politicians so put in the hard yards to become one herself. Thats the great thing about our system, anyone really can get involved but it takes hard work and commitment.
    Blossom
    9th Nov 2015
    11:50am
    Happy Cyclist, A lot of Politicians very often don't do as promised after they are elected/ or maybe I should re-phrase that and say the party doesn't. Independents can fight for us but decisions may not go their way either.
    A few years ago employers used to get a subsidy for employing peoplewho had been unemployed for a mininum amout of time (I can't remember how long it was --employ them for the mininum amount of time then retrench them and do the same thing the next year. I don't know if companies are still able to rort the system like thant now or not. The company changed ownership and name a few years later.
    marls
    11th Nov 2015
    11:17am
    totally agree politician are of a different planet they have an endless entitlement that tax payers have to pay for. any when you elect any party once in power all the promises are nothing but lies, upon lies and deceit
    Travellersjoy
    9th Nov 2015
    10:06am
    It was always just another scam to put public money into the pockets of LNP supporters and maximise profits.

    Any Australian who seriously believes the IPA/LNP government cares about them as anything but cheap labour and tax collections, is very naive indeed.

    There are no jobs because profits are not reinvested, they are distributed as income to investors who put it in tax havens.

    The Turnbull government has no intention of changing the direction of neo liberal policy. They are just trying to smarm and bamboozle their way to success when bullying failed to work.
    SJQRP
    9th Nov 2015
    12:31pm
    " to investors who put it in tax havens."

    And into your superannuation.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    1:47pm
    I hear the Decayman Islands are good this time of year ? :-)
    CowboyJoe
    9th Nov 2015
    3:13pm
    So Travellersjoy, there was actually a question regarding political affiliation on the application?
    Christine
    9th Nov 2015
    10:14am
    The assumption is that all older workers are skill free zones. That kind of subsidy would not induce anyone to employ someone of my skill level if they simply do not want old people around. It also does not take the casualisation of the workforce into account. Who gets a job lasting 12 or 24 months these days?

    9th Nov 2015
    10:15am
    No, there aren't enough jobs available right now, yes, there is still great discrimination against hiring older workers even though they are quite able to do the job, and yes, this is just another smoke screen by Turnbull, the Snake Oil Seller, to try to fool the older voters that he is trying to do something positive for them. A load of crap from Malcolm "The Mirage Maker".
    marls
    11th Nov 2015
    11:19am
    spot on he has no idea.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    10:53am
    I'm starting to think My name is Joe King ?? Every time I apply for a job they say are you Joking ?? :-( :-(
    Jurassicgeek
    9th Nov 2015
    11:15am
    he he well said
    PlanB
    9th Nov 2015
    11:40am
    LOL but bloody right
    Pass the Ductape
    9th Nov 2015
    1:39pm
    When it comes to humour particolor, you're way ahead of the others. Wish I'd thought of that one. I hope many others recognise your wit - most of the time anyway.
    Peterrj
    10th Nov 2015
    5:45pm
    I can confirm that you are really Jo King ... as you don't have time to apply for a job as you are too busy making comments for YLC!!!
    particolor
    10th Nov 2015
    7:17pm
    I wouldn't Work Nor Comment for any of The Fraudsters ! And its a Toss Up which one is the SHONKIEST ?? :-)
    Chris B T
    9th Nov 2015
    10:53am
    Remember the days when we had textile industry, thriveing car manufacturing industry, manufacturing industry, steel works at Newcastle and the large Port Kembla steel works.
    Then I remember Labours Senator Button and labours Decession to remove Tarrifs when no other country responded in kind.
    Now free trade agreements that only brings other countries up todate, with a lot of there trade and agriculture restristions still in place.
    No real employer for local manufacturing and textile.
    This situation was in the making 40 plus years ago, so no over a couple of years to fix.
    A lot of Hot Air from both sides about employment opportunities when a lot our jobs are now not available in Australia from the past.
    Live cattle/sheep exports no slaughter works on the large scale. Just comments on cruelty of live animals being slaughtered by other countries.
    Other countries find a better balance of protecting jobs we just seem to import with no reguard for local job seekers.
    Blossom
    9th Nov 2015
    12:29pm
    A lot of industries including car are using "robotic" equipment which reduces the workforce needed by a huge amount.
    I know of an new abbatoir in SA that advertised jobs for several weeks but very applied. most of those refused to do slaughter work. They were only interested in office jobs even the ad. clearly stated what jobs were on offer. As a last resort they brought migrants into to SA to do the jobs. They help them find accomodation. Most of them rented houses in the nearest town. The company provided transport from their house nearby to work and home again. Part of the deal was they had to go to school at night and learn to speak English. When there was a break down at the abbatoir they owned another one over an hour away so they took them to and from that one by bus every day at company expense. None were forced to take leave. Apparently they were fantastic employees, far more efficient than the Aussies. I don't know if they are still employing staff on visas or whether Aussie residents have now applied for the jobs.
    Chris B T
    9th Nov 2015
    1:37pm
    The closeures of car industry happened before major changes in produciton such as major mechcanisation and robotics.
    Mazda,Mitsubshi, Nissan left and now Ford, Holden and Toyota going all "Robotic" Manufacturing Plants.
    The Abbatoir is paying the Rates of Pay Used To By Australian Standards for doing those jobs or Reclassiffed at a lower rate.
    Employ at a lower skill base, then pass on and start again.
    On whose Recognition Of Abilities was given.
    Don't forget These Migrants had no jobs, no place to live and fled there Country for what ever reason.
    JUST HOW MUCH FUNDING DID THE OWNER OF ABBATIOR RECEIVED FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT.
    But this still very small amounts of employment in the whole scheme of things over the years.
    Bookworm
    9th Nov 2015
    11:05am
    I agree - there is NO employment available for older workers, especially for someone like me, who has worked all her adult life in a specialised, difficult field. I would be thrilled to return to any kind of work, but being over 60 years old, it is totally impossible. I had severe health issues a few years ago which forced me to leave my job, but I am back to good health now. I would do anything, especially where I come in contact with the public. But my life experience, people skills etc mean nothing. I am tearing my hair out with boredom. Don't tell me to go for walks, join a bowling club, play bingo, lunch with the girls. Boring!! I do volunteer work, which is great, but I want to get up in the morning and know my day will be filled with useful, interesting work. I want to use my brain!!
    Anonymous
    9th Nov 2015
    11:41am
    At least you are lucky enough not to not have to live on NSA while you contemplate on work.
    Bookworm
    9th Nov 2015
    12:06pm
    Excuse my ignorance, Jackie, but what is NSA? I really don't know. Googled it and all I got was National Security Agency! If it is some kind of welfare payment, well, yes I guess I am "lucky". but I worked full time, whilst raising a family, doing all the usual things we have to do - cooking, cleaning, ferrying the kids around etc etc. I was careful with my money and saved as much as I could. So I have no need to rely on Government handouts. My savings and superannuation are sufficient. But I still want to work!
    Christine
    9th Nov 2015
    12:26pm
    Use your brain! What are you talking about? You are an old woman. You don't have a brain! We won't fix this with subsidies. It is an attitude problem. Old women don't have brains. That's all there is to it.
    Rosret
    9th Nov 2015
    4:10pm
    New Start Allowance.
    marls
    11th Nov 2015
    11:25am
    bookworm, I worked all my life to raised 4children on my own no child support, and worked shift work and degree via correspondence, it was a life of hell to top it all off I retired before my pension age and live of my super until I reach 65 I loved my govt secure job, only problem I had has that I could no long drive 4hrs daily to work, I had no life and I would not wish that on anyone. and I to never smoked or drank and my first holiday was aged 63 not everyone has any easy life like you have
    Bookworm
    12th Nov 2015
    2:52pm
    Marls, I am very sorry that you have had such a tough life. I too had a secure Government job, and I loved it. I suppose with your four children it was hard to save much.
    Ill health, as I said, forced me to retire far too soon as my specialised job meant that I could work for as long as I chose. But I cant return to it as there are no vacancies and I wouldn't be considered now at my age, anyway. Yes, I am fortunate, but certainly don't take it for granted. That's why I do volunteer work - to give something back to the community.
    MICK
    9th Nov 2015
    11:13am
    This is the normal shell game played by governments. Lies, lies and more lies. The reality is that THERE ARE NO JOBS and employers DO NOT WANT TO EMPLOY older Australians. In the meantime this government has raised the retirement age to 70 when there is no work available. And then at the same time we see attacks on benefits.
    Debbie has correctly identified the number one issue: no jobs. That's what you get when you sell off jobs and everything else to other nations. Now the chickens are starting to come home to roost....but it will get much worse.
    It is about time older Australians became politically active and banded together to vote out politicians of any persuasion who are involved in this game of words.
    marls
    11th Nov 2015
    11:26am
    right on mick
    Jurassicgeek
    9th Nov 2015
    11:14am
    The first question I ask is Why should we go back to work?? I have done my time in hell. For those who havent reached retirement age ..its hard ..bloody hard.. and one has to assume there is a job out there somewhere to start with. then we have to find an employer who will employ us...and of course we then have the high and mighty parliamentarians sitting on their shiny bums say "go out and get a job so we dont have to look after you"...I wonder if they are even living in the same universe as we are...
    haftadoo
    9th Nov 2015
    11:34am
    Points well made.
    Then you have the young ones who ask you what job you do, not realising the unemployment situation is not just the young and inexperienced - it encompasses the older, experienced and loyal former employee!
    SJQRP
    9th Nov 2015
    12:33pm
    "The first question I ask is Why should we go back to work??"

    Because retirement is so damned BORING.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    8:57pm
    Get Yourself a Dozen or so Hobby's and You'll have no time for BOREDOM !! :-)
    Rosret
    9th Nov 2015
    11:15am
    I think offering employers a subsidy is an excellent short term solution just as it was for apprenticeships. They hired for one year and then disposed of the junior who thought that had been lucky enough to get a job. However I am over 60 and health has got the better of me. We may live longer but not all live better. I can get lots of work - but its all day and working as hard as my younger counterparts. I could do part time work. Not all day 2-3 days a week, part of a day each day. However then the cost of transport becomes an issue.
    Blossom
    9th Nov 2015
    12:16pm
    You are so right. There didn't need to be an apprenticeship involved. During an apprenticeship many eyars ago if they didn't have enough work they had to find them alternative work in the same trade. I know a guy who ended up working for a company he was "loaned to" after he finished his apprenticeship. They didn't only do it to juniors either. They did it to people in the 20s too, including pizza delivery staff. put them off, then re-employed them over a year later. I knew a guy in his 20s that it happened to. In between he hadn't managed to find a job for more than a few hours a fortnight.
    sexeebear
    9th Nov 2015
    11:20am
    its quite stupid .. to return to work you need to earn over 60k a year full time to compensate for all the subsidies pensioners get and the pension which we lose so no one works ..there are no jobs at 60k for old people is as simple as that ..and on top of that the govt taxes the subsidy so its not 10k its 7 if your lucky. so the tax on the subsidy and tax on the employee income are a good little earners for the govt . its costing them nothing to grandstand it but we older people are up to the govt so we don't take them up on it..weve been shafted all our lives by successive govts we too wise to fall for their nonsense
    Peterrj
    10th Nov 2015
    5:57pm
    'sexeebear', you should be banned from making comments in YLC for speaking get the truth! Your comment states clearly that the free of charge manna from heaven aka the Old Age Pension plus benefits is the same as of working and making, at least, $60,000/yr!!!! My brother works full time and is only paid $50,000/yr. On this basis he should be looking forward to a pay increase when he retires and gets the Old Aged Pension. I am sorry to say this but the Old Aged Pension is not a bad deal ..... Thou many readers of YLC would violently disagree!!!
    haftadoo
    9th Nov 2015
    11:29am
    As most of the target market for this scheme are already in well paying and secure positions, it's usually the unskilled, or those whose employer is looking for better returns on their money that find themselves looking for employment in their latter years. By this, I refer to anyone over the age of 45 to 50.
    No employer wants to put on a person who has only a 'few' years left. They forget that those few years could be up to 20 - and with a person who WANTS to work, not just turn up for the money.
    Many older employees can run rings around many of the younger, fast paced ones - in security, job satisfaction, reliability, and actually getting the work done properly the first time. They have pride in their work.
    When prospective employers finally realise that fact, they may find themselves with a reliable workforce, supportign the employer, not there just for payday and sickies!

    9th Nov 2015
    11:38am
    There are so many unemployed young Australians too. All governments need to be focusing on creating industry in this country and stop sending it off shore. Stop these workers from overseas coming here and driving out pays and conditions down to third world standards. We have one of the highest costs of living and put NSA up. Older Australians cannot survive on that while they are looking for work long term.
    sooty
    9th Nov 2015
    11:41am
    One of the major contributors to this mess is the rise and rise,in the past 30 or so years, of Labour Hire companies. It is all one way for them, with no prospect of long term employment for the poor individuals caught up in this rort. It gives the company that uses them the right to hire and fire at will with no come back by the workers. The decline in union membership has also been a help to these blood suckers, with profits guaranteed for providing nothing except waged paid.
    Anonymous
    9th Nov 2015
    11:48am
    Sooty the coalition has been corroding away at unions for the past 30 years to drive down wages successfully. The rich have got richer and the poor poorer thanks to union bashing. Governments don't care about the problems of the poor only the problems of the rich. They can never be rich enough.
    Swinging voter
    9th Nov 2015
    11:58am
    The decline in modern union membership can be attributed to the widespread and very deep corruption and rampant mis-use of union members' money. Their main aim over recent decades has been to get their mates into parliament so they can be eligible for parliamentary pensions. I worked in a union branch office and certainly did not like what I saw. I did not like that members' money went to campaigning for Labor candidates, whether or not its members favoured that party. Unions have outlived their purpose and evolved into enterprises that line the pockets of their fat cat bosses. A condition of employment used to be forced union membership. It was a good day when people were given the choice whether to take out membership or not - since then most have voted with their feet.
    Tom Tank
    9th Nov 2015
    1:25pm
    Ah Swinging Voter just how much does your vote swing, perhaps from Nationals to Libs then back again.
    Given that the reduction in Union memberships coincides with the relative reduction in wages and conditions then that provides a different context.
    Yes there is a lot of disturbing activity happens in the Unions the same as there is a lot of disturbing activity in share trading and within big business, think Volkswagen.
    How much benefit will the much vaunted "free trade agreements" bring the ordinary worked in the country?
    The way Australia is headed we will fulfill the prophecy of becoming the "poor white trash of Asia".
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    1:57pm
    I Beg Your Pardon ? I'll Politically Correct that for You !! "The Poor Multicultural Trash of Asia" :-)
    CowboyJoe
    9th Nov 2015
    3:22pm
    Jackie
    15% of the public workforce are unionized according to Michael Costa (Labor)

    11% of the private workforce are unionized according to the same man.

    Individuals decide to join a union and the Coalition don't stop them.

    Getting very old the term Coalition. Labor cannot gain majority power without the Greens. So from now on please make use of the term Green Coalition when appropriate.
    Chris B T
    9th Nov 2015
    4:22pm
    The secret dealers/slide of hand no records nudge,nudge,wink,wink.
    I HAVE THE WORKERS Good Intention For This Deal We Agreed On.
    Except that you will be worse off then you are now and Paid Union Fees For The Privilege.(You Can't Track A Papper Trail If There's None To Track) or omitted substance. Every Deal Shorton was involved in was for AWU and went against AMWU at times go Figure.
    Both Cameron EX AMWU and Shorton Ex AWU were elected at the same time, 1 MLA and 1 Senator. So whose interest they were looking out for.
    I don't really care for either side of politics, But Don't Use Union Members Fees To Fund Political Outcomes.
    Swinging voter
    9th Nov 2015
    6:55pm
    Hi Tom Tank. I mentioned here previously that I voted for Hawke and Keating but changed when Labor and the unions annointed Rudd and was convinced that Julia Gillard was untrustworthy and subsequent AWU Workplace Reform Association revelations confirmed my opinion of her personal and professional choices. Yes, I do swing vote --- and that's why I use this screen name. Nothing sinister, nothing devious, that's just how it is. Cheers.
    Swinging voter
    9th Nov 2015
    11:50am
    There are no jobs for older people. Most have not re-skilled and many are worn out from years of doing work they either hated or it took a massive toll on their bodies. Show me the bricklayer who can re-train after his back can't take one more day on the job. While the government keeps bringing thousands of unskilled immigrants in, there will be less and less funding for "programmes" that help anyone get into work, young or old. I saw a woman the other day, done up in the traditional long skirt, socks, thongs, headscarf, must have been 50 if she was a day. Pushing two kids in the latest style twin stroller. Walked past us, got out her iphone and went into a lengthy conversation. Who is paying for her, the husband, kids and everything they all need? How come they can afford iphones, (I can't afford a mobile phone bill) cars, accommodation while the rest of us are being told to work until 70 and longer if we can medicate ourselves enough to stand all day on buggered knees? Is that to pay for immigrants who are not going to make any contribution whatsoever to this society in their lifetimes? It's not just old people who can't find work, it's the unskilled people they are bringing in out of a misguided heroic desire to make us appear as a "humanitarian" country when the people who deserve better understanding are our existing citizens in every age category.
    PlanB
    9th Nov 2015
    11:57am
    There are no jobs not even for the young ones, even the ones that have Uni degrees are finding it very hard to get one
    LiveItUp
    9th Nov 2015
    12:01pm
    Too many people today have Uni degrees and expect jobs where they can use them. They need to bin their degrees so they can get a job.
    PlanB
    9th Nov 2015
    2:41pm
    Yes Bonny most that go to Uni don't need to -- unless they are going to be a Dr or such --you do not need a Uni degree to work in an office or be a tradesman or woman.

    It seems to be THE FASHION these days to go to school till some ridiculous age then off to Uni till you are too bloody old to get a normal job.

    I know a few people that have businesses and they told me they would rather employ a kid straight from school to work in their office, NO need for a Uni degree at all.

    If you want a trade then go to work when you leave school then to Tech of a night --- like we did.
    Roscoe
    9th Nov 2015
    11:59am
    Because of illness i was forced to retire early, 63, and was put on a disability pension. After twelve months i was able to perform light duties, clerical duties etc. My previous career was Hotel Management, up to 150 employees, but on feeling a little outdated i undertook three levels of courses on HR, leaving me one step away from a Diploma in HR. For the next 2 1/2 yrs I looked for work armed with a $10,000 promised
    wage subsidy. The answers were all too familiar, too much experience, too old, can't take the risk with your past illness and even this beauty, you'll be applying for my job soon!! Now i'm 68 and looking for10 hrs a week and nothings changed. Ah well, i guess i'll have to go back to school again and learn chinese seeing they own my Country now.
    SJQRP
    9th Nov 2015
    12:26pm
    ""and even this beauty, you'll be applying for my job soon!!

    Yes, Roscoe, a lot of younger managers are fearful of older more experienced workers, probably fearful of being shown up.
    Tzuki
    9th Nov 2015
    1:23pm
    I agree! I believe a few of my interviewers found me too experienced to be working underneath them.....
    Scrivener
    9th Nov 2015
    3:21pm
    Dead right. There is no need for China to invade Australia - they just buy it up bit by bit. I know I didn't expect to say this, but the Chinese I know make wonderful neighbours. Hell, come to think of it they are immigrants, just like my grandparents were. We all are. There must be some other way of making sense of our current demise. Personally, I think it is all down to lack of vision and leadership at the top. We have the resources, still, just not the leaders to translate that well of resources into the future. By resources, I don't mean stuff in the ground or the stuff on some animal's back, I mean all of the brilliance and talent we inherited from our ancestors from 112 nations. Yes the talent we got for free from our Irish, English, Chinese, Slavic.... and so on and so on, ancestors. Our immigrant forbears.
    We desperately need real leaders. It is a pity that the best leader of the Labor Party for years is leading the Coalition. What a waste of real talent.
    LiveItUp
    9th Nov 2015
    12:08pm
    There would be lots of jobs if we didn't have all the rules and regulations we have today. I used to employ people but today I use technology instead.
    SJQRP
    9th Nov 2015
    12:29pm
    They should what they have done with women and blacks - every enterprise with over ?? employees is required to employ a certain percentage of older workers.
    LiveItUp
    9th Nov 2015
    12:30pm
    It is simpler than that. Too many women working instead of looking after their kids.
    SJQRP
    9th Nov 2015
    12:48pm
    That's right Bonny.

    But it is worse than that - too many old women working and keeping the young ones out of a job. I recently visited a section of the local Mater Hospital - I thought I was in an old peoples home except that the old women were the nurses. There are a lot of old women school teachers around too. They should have paid off the mortgage by now.

    The situation seems to be that employers prefer old women over young because they are appear to be more stable, but prefer young men over old because the old men are too cleaver for them.
    LiveItUp
    9th Nov 2015
    1:06pm
    Only heard a young man complain the other day that most of his co-workers were old and nearly useless to work with.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    1:14pm
    I'm surprised He didn't want their Feathers pulled out and Boil them !! :-(
    LiveItUp
    9th Nov 2015
    1:21pm
    No he just got another job with younger co-workers. Problem solved.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    1:25pm
    There's a lot of People on here for a Monday ? Nobody working ? Musta got the Sack ? :-)
    LiveItUp
    9th Nov 2015
    1:42pm
    Just having a day off my hectic lifestyle.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    2:01pm
    In the Land of the Longweekend !! :-)
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    12:41pm
    Mainly an Answer to Chris B T as the reply's aren't working on this Item ?
    I heard the Most Scathing Comment on the radio this morning about what He said there ! Australia once had Everything and Jobs Galore, We, the Government Owned Banks, Lotteries, The Power, The Gas, The Post Office, The Ports, And Many Many more ASSETS !! That Made a PROFIT and Sustained this Country with Future Proofing ! Then some Greedy Galahs in all their Wisdom decided to SELL THEM OFF One by One to Mostly Foreign Interests ?? Well this went Well ? Didn't it ? We are now BEGGERS !! More but I cant be bothered wasting My Time and Ink on it !! Chow ! :-( OOPS ! I meant :-)
    LiveItUp
    9th Nov 2015
    12:47pm
    I wonder why they sold everything. It wouldn't have anything to do with Australians developing a welfare mentality and relying on handouts rather than working would it? Me thinks so.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    12:58pm
    Reply working now :-)
    Something Stank Pretty Horrible back there a bit ! :-( That's for sure Bonny. What it was I guess We will never know ?? But I'll bet My next Pension That Greed Was Behind It Somewhere !! :-(
    And that's just One of The Seven Deadly Sins that I think are in Play Now :-)
    Good Luck ! :-)
    LiveItUp
    9th Nov 2015
    1:04pm
    Yes I agree our now welfare dependency stinks and most of it is driven by greed.
    Tom Tank
    9th Nov 2015
    1:28pm
    Yes Bonny and the bulk of the Welfare is going to those who don't need it as they are already doing nicely thank you.
    Howard and Costello looked after them very well.
    CowboyJoe
    11th Nov 2015
    11:45am
    Is particolor one of our freedom loving Aussies.

    You know, the one who live in the freest country in the world. Which would be determined by the following criteria:

    The government should own key businesses.

    So, particolor has redefined Socialism to mean freedom.

    Governments owning business is supposed to be undesirable unless one values Socialism and the road to communism.


    NOUN
    1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
    2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
    3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
    Patriot
    11th Nov 2015
    1:41pm
    Bonny
    Just "Stay asleep" if you are not capable to "Wake Up" to the reality of the situation.
    Just collect your pay from the ALP of NLP - when you go past "OFF".
    Old Fella
    9th Nov 2015
    12:58pm
    For many of us, work was to survive and enjoy a current time and work for a future time. For those fortunate enough to experience that time the future will or has arrived and any continuing work production is and should be directed towards something of a different kind- closing scenes if you will- . Naive it is to believe that humans don't age, or ware out like anything and everything else about us. Or that youth and renewal should stand still to allow older people to continue to work. Yes and it is sadly unfortunate, for those that were deprived of or missed opportunity to experience enough work to sustain their future time. Hopefully there was happiness and satisfaction in their earlier scenes.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    1:10pm
    Earlier :-) :-) :-)
    don
    9th Nov 2015
    1:01pm
    We have some abatoirs in WA who have Chinese workers because the oz workers wont work there. It is hard for younger and older people to get jobs but I do know of older people getting jobs at Coles and are valued shortly after stating. As Bonny says the married women take up a lot of jobs, where as before they used to be stay at home moms.
    Tzuki
    9th Nov 2015
    1:16pm
    I was made redundant at 60, and after 9 months of job searching and going to numerous interviews, I have come to the conclusion that (a) unless the person interviewing you is around the same age, and (b) they are looking for a mature, experienced person, I won't be employed. I am now 61, do not have enough super to live on, do not have an inheritance to prop me up, and see a bleak future as a female. I apply for jobs that suit me down to the ground (Reception/Accounts/Admin), and also jobs such as retail assistant that I am willing to do. Still no luck And they say there is no age discrimination. Living in Adelaide doesn't help either.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    1:29pm
    I lived in Adelaide for awhile when I was a Kid ! :-) And every time I got Annual Leave I would Grab a Job in the Brick Works :-) Give that a Go !! :-) :-)
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    1:32pm
    PS.. It was up the top of Glen Osmond Road called City Bricks ! But We used to call it S*itty Bricks !! :-) :-)
    Tom Tank
    9th Nov 2015
    1:30pm
    These schemes dreamt up by the Government are either purely window dressing to make it look like they are doing something or perhaps that the government hasn't got a clue about the real world out there.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    1:38pm
    Yeah !! And Ill bet their Plotter Plonker is on 800 Grand a Year Plus Perks ! Yes Perks !! :-) :-)
    Uncomitted
    9th Nov 2015
    1:48pm
    There is no incentive for older people staying in workforce.
    My case at 68 I suffered an injury . first time in my employment history.
    Workers compensation paying at about 50% of base wages ,(no other entitlements ,holiday pay, sick pay ,long service nor superannuation contribution).
    Add to this an Insurance Company that denies full medical expenses as the injury was exacerbated by arthritis.
    Try applying for Newstart or sickness allowance-have no eligibility because I am beyond retirement age. This is the REAl situation regarding commitment to older
    workers;worthless rhetoric
    As for returning to work ,it may happen if my solicitor can force the issue but what chance would I have after 12 months on Workers compensation even if I have minimal residual disability, Expect no support from government agencies.
    Young
    9th Nov 2015
    1:48pm
    My wife and I both do VCE exam supervision and the pay does not alter out pension.I know others who do school crossings and their pensions do not alter either.I know others who do lawns and window cleaning and some even do ironing.Others get paid to babysit grandchildren.
    Young
    9th Nov 2015
    1:49pm
    So there are lots of part time things to do.No need for full time work.
    Young
    9th Nov 2015
    1:53pm
    And if you have a veggie patch just think of the health benefits as well as the fresh food.
    Believer
    9th Nov 2015
    1:58pm
    The G20 talks wanted a global network of workers, anyone from other countries will work for less and the way things are now Australia is still too expensive. The plan is working of course and it will be so hard for the youth to enjoy the lifestyle us oldies have had. We are the generation that had employment and penalty rates. The youth will not get that and they will have no rights either because they will not be in a union, which they are pleased about at present. It will all return to the days of post war! Cap in hand begging for a days work to feed the family before they wake up to the value of being in a union! So many will drown in debt because they are the ones who want it all and got us all in this mess in the first place! They need to learn that they have to work and save for what they want. Parents are making it harder by giving them everything. It will be at least 30 years before it gets back to where we were 10 years ago with a great future and everything to live for. Our generation will be gone or in a nursing home run by foreign workers who help them die sooner because they believe the life of an old person is not worth living with the quality of life being nil! Politicians should stop our generation working past 55 so the youth have work and feel valued. Let them go back to leaving school at 15 so they still feel very young and inexperienced. Instead we have a generation of kids who are leaving school at 18 and going on to university to drop out a year earlier and lose that place for the really clever keen kids who so need the degree. A 15 year old wants to learn from older experienced adults and are more responsible in life than an kid who thinks the world owes them a living.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    2:18pm
    Good Luck with those thoughts of Drifting back to our Lovable Country ! :-) But it will never happen now with their signing's of Ridiculous Free Trade Agreements, EU, UN, Foreign Owned Mines, Farms and probably Many other Sell Outs we were Not told of ! :-(
    Young
    9th Nov 2015
    2:11pm
    I am afraid many of today's youth have no commitment to their jobs.Many I know work for a year or two then go overseas for months on end.They then come back and work for a year in another job and then they are off again.They don't seem to value having a full time job and don't care if they let down their employers.It is all about ME.

    9th Nov 2015
    2:20pm
    Simple Igornomics (my dark side twin) - 832,000 unemployed plus times two under-employed will never go into 120,000 vacancies which in the main are simply roll-over jobs - meaning a person goes straight from one job into a vacancy, thus having zero effect in reducing unemployment.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    2:31pm
    Yes I heard that this morning, 800,000 Odd Unemployed ! And I think About 3/4 of them live around here ?? But I don't think they will be going overseas any time soon ! :-( They haven't got enough money to Board the Manly Ferry ! :-) Nor the Energy to Scratch their own Back for that matter !! :-) :-)
    Jilly2501
    9th Nov 2015
    2:43pm
    Age discrimination is alive and well. I have just secured a new job 5 months after a forced redundancy, BUT the new job is with a government department. I found I was applying for around 5 jobs a week and only secured 2 interviews. I am convinced that my age worked against me. One company I approached even told me they don't employ anyone under 30 years of age (no reason supplied). I'm sure I'm not the only one over 60 that has significant skills and experience to offer but can't even secure an interview.
    Perhaps there could be a government incentive for all companies advertising vacancies that a percentage of new employees must be made up of a certain age group. Also a directive to ALL that they must reply to the applicant with the exact reason they have not secured an interview or been successful in landing the position. If we don't know we can't improve our approach.
    Scrivener
    9th Nov 2015
    3:01pm
    Now that is the stuff of employment policy - but will such an excellent idea actually become policy? I guess we all need to get behind an idea like this. You should make certain each side of politics hears this idea. I'm forwarding your idea to my local MP.
    Anonymous
    9th Nov 2015
    11:41pm
    Took me over a year before I got another job after a seasonal one finished....

    The big problem is that people out of work are considered last and not first, and somebody proving they are not necessarily reliable by wanting to move to another job, or even to hold a second job, is somehow held to be 'better'.

    I find that amazing. It's a quirk of the human mind that I have never been able to fathom.
    Scrivener
    9th Nov 2015
    2:57pm
    My son is a partner in a busy medical specialty practise and they are interviewing for a clerical assistant - probably about level 2. They have had five Masters graduates and a whole bunch of bachelor degree applicants apply - along with over a hundred applicants who are actually qualified by experience. I think that says something about this time of full employment. The government hasn't got a clue. Centrelink hasn't got a clue - well you can't contact them anyway. Maybe all the wrinklies my age could get work in the Government and in Centrelink. At least we would bring life experience and compassion to those cold, heartless workplaces.
    particolor
    9th Nov 2015
    3:16pm
    Does TAFE have a "Boys Club" coarse ? :-) :-)
    Jilly2501
    9th Nov 2015
    3:23pm
    You're right about Centrelink. I had a very young around 22 yrs old young man attempt to help me with job searching. What a joke, he wouldn't make eye contact and when I said I was a voluntary job seeker (meaning I was not claiming benefits) he literally didn't know what to do. I did however get a phone call from him in a very firm manner asking me why I hadn't come in for my second appointment - after I cancelled it via the call centre. He said "I'll cut your benefits " I replied "well go right ahead & try, you don't know or don't want to know my situation" and left it to him to find out. And the government wonders what's wrong.
    PlanB
    9th Nov 2015
    3:29pm
    FGS Jilly and we have idiots like that looking after people, makes you wonder where they get them from.

    I have got to the age where I really say what I think -- I give credit where due and say what I think to places that give me the irrites and people such as he would have got an ear full
    CowboyJoe
    9th Nov 2015
    3:41pm
    Scrivener

    It has been commonplace in the USA since the 70s for secretaries to have a BA or MA in English Lit. Underground miners to have degrees in Mathematics or Education.

    I know many 30+ casual teachers still waiting for the full time job in NSW but the great majority will not live in the country.

    I know a 50 year old, with a Phd in Electrical / Robotic Engineering who has done top secrete R&D for the US Navy. He is now earning the princely sum of $50 an hour, living 1500 miles from his wife working out a 12 month contract for a multinational complany.

    The push to encourage more Aussies to attend University was just another ill conceived initiative that the unthinking masses swallowed.

    Does anyone know the comparative number of workers employed by our private and public sectors? I would guess that public organisations employ more workers than private enterprise. If not so currently that is where the trend line would be heading.
    Patriot
    9th Nov 2015
    3:41pm
    Only ONE view is taken into account when examining the "Short sighted actions" of the government. The bottom line.

    It really DOES NOT MATTER if the jobs are not there!!! What matters is that those - in the future - being forced to work till the age of 70 are part of the "Improvement of the bottom line":

    Look at the following scenarios:
    1 The person retains his/her job for another 5 years simple means that a "Young person" will NOT be able to find a job (no vacancy created due to retirement) and therefore "Goes or Remains on JobStart".
    2 The person is "Burned Out Physically and/or mentally" and cannot remain employed or find a job past 65 Year old which means that this person will now go on JobStart allowance rather than the pension.
    Or those "On JobStart" when turning 65yo will be on this support for another 5 years!

    In either case, the support paid by the Government is reduced by about $5,000.00 per year per individual. So the Govt WINS BIG TIME!!!

    Just because the very "Fabric of our soceities & Communities) is totally destroyed by these processes is of NO concern to ALMOST ALL of our politicians.
    THEY SIMPLY DO NOT CARE !!!
    CowboyJoe
    9th Nov 2015
    3:46pm
    its quite stupid .. to return to work you need to earn over 60k a year full time to compensate for all the subsidies pensioners get according to Sexeebear.

    Obviously many agree.

    But whatever happened to it being the right thing to do? In other words the most amount of good for the most amount of people. Surely, if one can gain employment they should work.
    Jilly2501
    9th Nov 2015
    4:52pm
    I don't know about pension subsidies, all I know is that due to the way my life has panned out I need to work to support myself, I rent and I need to work or I'll be homeless. I am willing and able to do this. My 15 hrs a week will just cover my expenses with nothing left over. Not whingeing - it is what it is. The government MUST do something constructive to help those that want to work find the work they want and can do. I'm grateful to have 15hrs but definitely need more to keep the wolf from the door.
    Scrivener
    9th Nov 2015
    5:15pm
    60K a year - struth, I'll swap what I've got now for that.
    Theo1943
    9th Nov 2015
    11:07pm
    I was made redundant from my first job at 51, got another in two weeks. Retired from that at 66 1/2 in 09. Was told I should apply fot a summer job last year. Did and got it. They asked me back for another six months this year. I'm thoroughly enjoying it and will be 73 before this season ends. Pays $32K for the six months, reduces our pension to $34 each a fortnight which makes my effective monetary gain less than $10 per hour but I love the work and feeling useful.
    sibbo
    9th Nov 2015
    4:38pm
    I dont understand the Government"s motives. I am among many who are being retrenched by Qantas in June 2016. If we are 65yrs and over at time of retrenchment we lose the Superannuation payable to those who are under 64yrs and 364 days old and where under 65yr old dont get taxed on their retrenchment payout if you are 65 the Government takes their tax. Superannuation doesnt look after workers over 65 yrs . Double whammy. Double standards all round.
    Yet they want older Australians to be in the workforce. They take with one hand and very
    Snow
    9th Nov 2015
    6:25pm
    Just where did the government think these jobs were going to come from.......?? Employers just don't hire anyone over 35-40 yrs these days either. Stupid decision and statement. Perhaps the pollies should give up some of their benefits to help those who really do want to work. And WORK is something pollies also do not understand or know what it is.
    PlanB
    10th Nov 2015
    7:24am
    Not just these days Snow, -- I remember decades ago it was hard to get work if you were over 45
    CowboyJoe
    12th Nov 2015
    1:42pm
    I have experienced the same when 35.

    I strongly believe it is a cultural thing, as I experienced the discrimination in the 80s. Some interviewers would just sit silently when boxed in with cogent questioning about making a decision.

    The sheer mindlessness of the attitude is mind boggling. It is as if they are cognitively incapable of understanding that one day they will be in the same situation.
    Trish
    10th Nov 2015
    12:40pm
    I registered with a well known employment agency and this scheme was not even offered to me. There is more the policy makers need to look at when putting together these proposals. What can we do for older workers who wish to supplement their pensions and work under 20 hours per week? What of over 55's who are able to work all areas of admin efficiently? Or have great sales skills? Perhaps businesses need to look at the cost of outsourcing vs personal service ?? Discrimination is alive and well in all industries I was shocked to be told not to apply for any more reception jobs as a 'fresher face was needed' I was told by an employee of the giant hardware store that I was overqualified so would never get an interview and was probably best if I stopped applying. The giant stationary company? Overqualified. Woolies packing online shopping orders? Not qualified hullo?? It was a new service NOBODY was qualified
    particolor
    10th Nov 2015
    7:24pm
    Do what I do ! Tell the Clown "IM Old NOT Dead" And out !! :-) :-)
    mardy
    12th Nov 2015
    12:44pm
    the government must first get rid of discrimination against older workers. With 75 years of age I started a specialist job. The first 3 years I didn't get paid super, due to my age. Now still working as a 81 year old I can't put super in from my wages due to discrimination law Also I'm not covered by work cover. So our government discriminates against old workers despite the discrimination law. I will claim my lost super or at lies try the payment from the government.
    Anonymous
    23rd Nov 2015
    4:25pm
    It is a damn disgrace pollies should go on the same pension rate as us not be paid their wage plus enormous super contributions. Time to vote the bastards out of government and go with Pauline.
    particolor
    23rd Nov 2015
    4:58pm
    Have You seen the way Pauline gets howled Down by the Media ? For Speaking the TRUTH !! :-(

    23rd Nov 2015
    4:23pm
    Why work?? I am working because I like to be involved with others and it keeps my mind active. BUT one can only earn $250 per fortnight because after that amount the government takes it back 50 cents in the dollar then dollar for dollar so you end up working for around $9 per hour, fair go pollies. Why is it when the pollies retire they get full pay and super way above ours??????????????? Pissed off big time.


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