Tobacco tax on the radar

If Labor wins the next Federal Election, it will implement more tax increases on tobacco.

Tobacco tax on the radar

The price of tobacco in Australia will be among the most expensive in the world should Labor win the next Federal Election. Fairfax Media are reporting that the Federal Opposition is looking to implement another round of three 12.5 per cent tax increases on tobacco products to pay for the last two years of Gonski education reforms. The Coalition says the previous Labor Government left the reforms unfunded to the tune of $30 billion. The current government is yet to reveal how it intends to pay for the increase.

The tobacco excise was last increased in September of this year and is due to go up another 12.5 per cent in September 2016 on top of indexation. Further increases would see the cost of a cigarette in Australia push well beyond $1 per stick.

The Department of Health website states that, “increasing tobacco prices, through taxation, is one of the most effective measures that governments can take to reduce premature death and disease due to smoking.”

What do you think? Are Australian smokers being unfairly targeted? Should the focus be less on increasing prices to raise more money for the Government and more on reducing the number of smokers in Australia?

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    Suzie
    10th Nov 2015
    10:34am
    Wouldn't worry me as I don't smoke and I'm at a loss to see how the younger generation and pensioners can afford it . They always g cry poor me but can always find the price of cigarettes .bills and food and roof over your head to me is much more important . Might as well just burn your paper money as smoke and it would be more healthy
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:02pm
    To add to your list lets remember current affairs interviews where those complaining about something or other often have a fag in their hand.
    I applaud the increase of tobacco prices. We need to get rid of this scourge which costs us all when the addicts eventually succumb to emphysema or lung cancer and then head for the public hospital demanding treatment. So whilst the tobacco companies and government have been creaming off billions of dollars the taxpayer is left to foot the bill. As always!
    Happily retired early
    10th Nov 2015
    10:40am
    Great the higher the price the better. Smokers should also pay more for their health cover.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:03pm
    You are 100% on the money here.
    Only the do-gooders who cause so much havoc and cost to us all would disagree with you.
    particolor
    10th Nov 2015
    8:15pm
    WHAT ? How Many Times do You want Smokers to Pay ?? They already Pay FAR More Tax than You do by Buying the Flamin Things !! I personally Couldn't Care Less ! BAN THE THINGS IN ALL HONESTY !! But that wont happen ! :-( THEY ARE "ADDICTED" TO THE BILLIONS OF BUCKS TAX !!
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    9:12pm
    As much as it takes to get them to quit...and then enjoy life.
    don
    10th Nov 2015
    11:23am
    I disagree , its very expensive now. There is a big tax on it now . Smokers pay medical aid , medicare etc. The next one will be on booze , when there is no smokers, then what. Its becoming a real nanny state.For all the pollies incompetence , why are they not cutting some of their perks eg ex Prime ministers , for one. That would save at least a couple of hundred million.
    Blossom
    10th Nov 2015
    10:24pm
    What about others who inhale the smoke to get where they need to go - e.g. the public toilets. Recently I needed to go to public toilets which were located in ..... Place in the CBD. No matter which way I walked to them I had to walk through smoke haze. There aren't others available to the public nearby.
    Why should non-smokers be forced to put their health and wellbeing at risk because of others??
    PlanB
    11th Nov 2015
    6:33am
    As far as non smokers breathing it in, there is more danger of breathing in the crap from traffic.

    If smokers what to smoke then so be it --I believe they pay a heap for the Tobacco anyway so they are well paying for their habit.
    DINGOPOO
    10th Nov 2015
    11:24am
    There are to many wowsers and greenies in politics already, when they are finished targeting smokers, what next? Probably something that the wowsers don't use like alcohol or sex.Thank God they don't have sex, we can't afford any more of them to be born.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:04pm
    Spoken like a true (addicted) smoker. Methinks you should go to a detox clinic and be cured.
    particolor
    10th Nov 2015
    7:58pm
    Nothing of the Sort Mick !
    Its RIPPING OFF The Public for something they know they will get hardly any Backlash from the Goody Two Shoes and Greenies !! :-(
    And from what I've noticed Its not the Smokers that are suffering for the Government GREED !! Its their Children Going without !!
    And The Black Market LEERVES It !! Look at the Crime Statistics if You can ?? The Dumbed Down Politically Correct Newspapers and Media are Worse than Useless for any True Figures on Anything now ! :-(
    Don't Attack Smokers ! They are probably paying a Third of Your TAX !! :-) We have had 2 Unreported Incidences just here where I live where someone has just run in an open door and Grabbed the Unfortunate Persons Smokes off the table and Beat it fast !! I hope they Employ more Police when Making their Grabs at Smokers too !!
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    8:41pm
    That's terrible parti! smoke stealing is on the increase huh? I know the tax hike will hurt those who can least afford it. Labor may introduce a smokers compensation payment, like they did with the carbon tax?
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    9:15pm
    And Liberal governments will put taxes on EVERYTHING which average Australians rely on.....but not the rich.

    Parti: Did not realise you were a smoker. Poor bugger. Give up mate and get a life. Don't mean to be condescending but beating your addiction would be a real achievement. Go for it.
    particolor
    10th Nov 2015
    11:12pm
    I'm Not ! But I'm on their Side They are Being BURGLED !!
    Put 50% more TAX on the Parliament House Grog Supply ! :-) :-)

    10th Nov 2015
    11:28am
    As I non smoker I think this is blatant hypocrisy. If the government were genuine they would be making sure taxes would be paid properly by corporations. Many pay less than the average Joe Blow even if they earn billions per annum. As for our health, our government couldn't give a fig leaf about it. That is why they allow contaminated food from overseas to come in, processed foods to be filled with all sorts of toxic contaminants that have been proved to be just as bad as cigarettes to our health. Our government is becoming more corrupt by the minute.
    Paicey58
    10th Nov 2015
    12:30pm
    Very true jackie.

    It also does not matter which government is in power at the time they are hitting the ones in society that can least afford it.

    Why do we sell off all our top level produce to the overseas market? It is purely for profit. Then we import substandard contaminated produce and charge top dollar fit. Why? Profit!!!

    This higher tax on cigarettes will cause an even bigger black market in illegally imported cigarettes. A packet of cigarettes in Bali is only $3 can you imagine the profit here by bringing in a few more packets than I declare. I could pay for my trip to Bali. Free holiday.

    Would love to know the amount of billions raised through tobacco taxation compared to the cost of caring for proven cigarette smoking diseases?

    Just in case you are wondering I don't smoke.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:05pm
    WHilst I agree with you jackie I am certainly not against eradicating smoking as it is a dirty, costly habit which we all pay for.
    Gino
    10th Nov 2015
    11:28am
    I am a smoker and I understand the risk to my health. In my opinion both sides of the government are hypocritical when they justify the unfair increases in the taxation of cigarettes. They receive millions of dollars to spend on projects they promise in the election campaigns. I am a non drinker and look at all domestic violence and drink drivers that ruin peoples lives.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:06pm
    Whilst true let's get rid of smoking. One less expensive and costly addiction to fix.
    particolor
    10th Nov 2015
    8:06pm
    You've got it Bad Mick ! And Sir Walter Raleigh Thanks You from Heaven !! :-)
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    8:42pm
    mick sounds like a reformed smoker? Nothing worse:(
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    9:18pm
    A pity you are addicted to the current corrupt government Frank. Well I guess it is paying you.

    parti: what can I say. We'll definitely have to agree to disagree on this one. Smoking is the pits and we have done well as a nation to bring the numbers down. I don't even try to understand what it must be like being an addict. Worse than my chocolate and sweets addiction methinks. Good luck mate.
    particolor
    10th Nov 2015
    11:23pm
    Government to put 12 and 1/2% Tax on Chocolates and Sweets and Junk Food every 3 Months !! There that'll cure Your Addiction !! Stop You Getting Fat as a Seal and costing the Country Millions of Dollars in Hospital Fees !! :-) :-)
    Adrianus
    11th Nov 2015
    7:27am
    Gino, the problem is a labor government is addicted to high spending and high taxing. When the number of smokers decrease the remaining smokers will need to pick up the difference in tax revenue to fuel labor's addiction.
    MICK
    11th Nov 2015
    1:41pm
    Frank: Spend time talking about you mud slinging and the fact that the person you were targeting has been exonerated. NO CASE TO ANSWER. Just like Gillard was exonerated!

    Go away you troll.
    don
    10th Nov 2015
    11:35am
    Here is a petition for stopping politicians perks.
    http://www.change.org/p/house-of-representatives-stop-payments-for-non-currently-serving-politicians

    If anyone is interested ,so they can maybe , ha ha share the common pain.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:29pm
    Never ask people with their hands on the levers of power to stop their rorts or take less than they are skimming off. That is a difficult outcome to achieve and only the ballot box can do that one.
    PlanB
    11th Nov 2015
    7:51am
    Signed thanks

    10th Nov 2015
    11:37am
    If you are silly enough to smoke (like I was until five years ago) you deserve to be penalised for your stupidity by paying the huge excise tax. Unfortunately, I don't think the tax goes to fund cancer treatment and research as I believe it rightly should.
    Wstaton
    10th Nov 2015
    1:16pm
    Unfortunately fast Eddie its Te Sam with a lot of taxes. How much do you think your road restoration is returned to fix roads etc.
    Anonymous
    10th Nov 2015
    1:24pm
    Most of the fines, taxes, "levies" (Ha!), etc is put into consolidated revenue (government "slush fund").
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:30pm
    Thanks Eddie. i like your logic and agree. Taxes raised from smoking should be going to hospitals, not consolidated revenue.
    Janus
    10th Nov 2015
    11:40am
    Increasing the cost makes the black market more attractive. I do think that smoking is a very nasty habit, and they should be dissuaded from it an any feasible way.
    Loss of insurance? Thin end of a very bad wedge...but I hate that my medical insurance is paying for a matter of bad choice in some people.
    Extra cost? Might convince a minority for a little while. Doesn't work for drugs and alcohol.
    Social media campaign? Worked for sunscreen, AIDS, gun law reform etc.
    Limit and reduce the nicotine content? TAx the nicotine, or maybe tax the carcinogens?

    So many young people will die from smoking before I will, and I am no spring chicken.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:33pm
    The Black Market is always with us. The trick might be to keep the prices the same but track purchases and warn smokers that smoking related diseases will not be covered under Medicare if they get these from long term smoking. Whilst some readers will not like this I believe many on this forum as the public generally would be horrified of they understood how much money smokers cost the community when their health went.
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    11:55am
    I think both major parties have stopped accepting donations from big tobacco companies now? Anyhoo I don't think smokers will need to worry about Labor getting another crack at destroying our economy too soon.
    As a footnote, gaols used to provide new prisoners with smokes whether they smoked or not. In gaols which have recently banned smoking, prisoners will pay $100 for a smoke. In many Asian countries everyone is encouraged to smoke. They pay around $1.20 per pk. I wonder at what price they need to reach in order for heavy drug peddlers to include smokes as a stock item?
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:35pm
    What Frank..........no comment about SHorten or the Trade Union Royal Witch Hunt today?
    That's right.........it has been shown for the fraud it always was. Now taxpayers can pick up the cost your employer's $80 million smear campaign.
    Sceptic
    10th Nov 2015
    4:10pm
    Valid comment about the TURC mick, except for all of the rorts that have been uncovered and the not illegal but completely unethical behaviour of union administrators as well as the criminal stuff. Not to mention the heavies in the CMFEU and their intimidatory tactics.
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    4:12pm
    If Australia can clean up the corruption and the bottleneck to having a robust economy then the $80m will be chicken feed. It will be interesting to see what Victorian Labor MP Cesar Melhem has to say in his defence. I wonder if we need to wait another 5 years while "The Fair Work team" discuss it? :)
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    6:03pm
    The issue is not the rorts and corruption Sceptic. The issue is that Royal Commissions are run out in the lead up to federal elections. This is the second one.
    My take is LET'S CLEAN UP THE OBVIOUS CORRUPTION ON BOTH SIDES OF POLITICS. And if you really think that this government is not in bed with big business and is making policy in exchange for election funding then I suggest that you still believe in the tooth fairy. The money trail is there for all to see.
    rmks
    10th Nov 2015
    12:04pm
    make vaping a viable alternative, including nicotine e-liquids.
    Increased health care costs on smokers would be the tip of the iceberg with fat people skinny people, drinkers, druggies(inc, prescription drugs) the disabled, the mentally ill etc all being excluded with time under an American-style system.
    When I was growing up, advertising used to promote various virtues of smoking.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:35pm
    Apparently very bad as well.
    rmks
    10th Nov 2015
    3:43pm
    A UK study has passed vaping as being safe.
    Major ingredients are propolene glycol and glycerine, to produce vapor.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    9:21pm
    Media comments here beg to differ. I do not know which is the case.
    Be careful that the 'study' is not funded by business which makes these things. That is what has happened in the climate change debate and you get a few scientists who back the coal industry and look legit.........until you check who has backed them and find out they refuse to peer review. Maybe same for ecigarettes.
    Biddy
    10th Nov 2015
    12:06pm
    I believe it is right to tax those that want to smoke and abuse the health system it is with good reason because they are putting their lives in danger and costing the average person extra to pay for a disgusting habit,I cannot understand how people can afford to smoke as the cost on their health is enormous,the Government goes on about the cost of gambling and it effect,I can see no different in smoking ,some people spend money on cigarettes and do not spend their money on decent food,and the consequences is poor health which means more tax payers dollars being used unwisley and the health of this nation going down the drain,there will be people whom say this should not concern them but imagine this country if smoking was abolished altogether and Australia became the leaders on this bad habit as smokers you are just watching every dollar go up in smoke,education is better then the final result
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:37pm
    Smoking is probably worse than gambling as I would think that smoking has many more addicts.
    Dolphin Haven
    10th Nov 2015
    12:07pm
    It is amazing the comments made to increase health cover for smokers, older persons and fat people and the comments made by others that they do not pay health insurance for those people. Why are you paying private health insurance if you are so healthy you should not need it. To me personally I think drunks are disgusting and all those do gooders and wardrobe drinkers. About time alcohol was really hiked up in price and that would probably end up with more drug users.
    Biddy
    10th Nov 2015
    12:14pm
    Perhaps taxing the alcohol would be another way of bringing in extra money,as cigarettes do not cause violence,where drinking does,so I believe that taxing drinkers can be beneficiary education is most important and is the first step to helping the people whom need it so maybe a tax on both of these things should be on both Governments agenda,anything that makes people realise that they can live a life without this horrible habit,and like domestic violence it should be taught in primary school,education is the first step to show everyone it is not great for ones health and well being
    particolor
    11th Nov 2015
    9:54pm
    Yep !! Put $3 on a Schooner of Beer every 3 Months and lets hear the Wild Rebel Yells !! :-) :-)
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    12:28pm
    I don't mind if Labor increase the tax on tobacco, providing the proceeds go straight back to the States in direct proportion as they were received, with the States and Territories to use the funds for health.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:39pm
    WHere's the anti Labor and TURC comment Frank. You have been very quiet for several weeks. Looks like you already knew about the finding which were released only a few days ago.
    As I have said many a time YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY.
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    5:51pm
    mick, and what findings would they be? That the TURC will not be recommending criminal charges against Bill Shorten? They released their findings late last Friday so as to have little political impact but all I've been hearing since from Labor is that Shorten is cleared of any "wrong doing." That is Labor's take on the TURC statement. They will be celebrating that up to the election I guess? Do you really think Bill came out clean from the event? How would I possibly know mick? You may have been privy to some inside info during your days as an Independent but the rest of us are treated like chiquita mushrooms.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    6:08pm
    Frank: you have been quiet with the right propaganda for a few weeks. I suggest you knew what the TURC report was going to say.
    Shorten has been cleared from what I understand.
    Gillard was also cleared......despite your continua accusations and mud slinging.
    You have nowhere to hide Frank as you have backed the wrong horse.
    If you think that this government is 'clean' then you are more pitiful than I can conceive.

    10th Nov 2015
    12:42pm
    Wow, would not have thought Labor would do that; would not go down well with many of their voters I would have thought.

    Good move though; I agree with it.

    Yes, I often wonder Suzie how people on government assistance can afford to smoke.

    There already are taxes on alcohol Don :)
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    1:37pm
    Radish, Labor would have a higher percentage of smoking voters. It's the demographic they target. 18-34 year olds.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:43pm
    Probably right Frank.....and Liberal would have a higher percentage of people who use offshore tax shelters to avoid paying tax in Australia.
    DC
    10th Nov 2015
    12:58pm
    I am just sick and tired of all these bloody Do-Gooders. The last time I looked tabacco products were still legal in this country. The price and excessive tax levied is a disgrace because none of it actually flows into anything useful. All consolidated revenue. Smokers have not caused any accidents, committed domestic violence acts etc - so why are they being targeted at every corner. If governments were so concerned about smokers health then just ban the bloody stuff and be done with it. Damn hypocrites!!!
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    1:46pm
    DC, smoking may be legal, but it is not legal for under 18 year olds to buy tobacco. 5% of males and 9% of females aged 15-17 years were current smokers. After 18 years the rate rises significantly for both men and women - reaching 22% for men and 17% for women aged 18-24.
    These are the statistics from ABS. I wonder if the under 18 age group rate is much higher? Or do new 18 year olds suddenly do all the so called adult things. I know my kids went straight to a pub to have a drink.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:41pm
    DC: WHY are my taxes and the taxes of all Australians so high? One reason is to support a high health budget and at least a part of that is the servicing of cigarette addicts who at end of life choke the hospital system.
    I am sick and tired of smokers getting treatment which we all pay for so that they can exercise their 'rights'. I wish I had such rights!
    gerryhatrick
    10th Nov 2015
    1:01pm
    I don't smoke and never have but I do feel the smokers are the fall guys when more money needs to be found I notice all the terrible things that smoking does to a person and how hard the government tries to stop it ,truth be told if they really were concerned they would help people to stop and if all else failed make it illegal and we all know that will never happen because the bulk of money going into government coffers is from the smokers and drivers

    10th Nov 2015
    1:39pm
    Don't smoke and find it amazing that people can find the money to do it. I recall the episode of 'Yes, Prime Minister' (I think) where the PM wanted to abolish tobacco and was handed all the reason why he couldn't.

    Seems it remains as long as it is a cash cow for government, but that's a separate issue from health.

    Everyone should just give it up.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:45pm
    Many smokers whinge about their hard lot Trebor. I always throw my hands up when I watch the current affairs interviews where people have a smoke in one hand whilst talking about how little money they have. Maybe I am being too harsh.
    Dollars over Respect?
    10th Nov 2015
    1:56pm
    Yes increase cost of tobacco/cancer sticks
    (perhaps hitting hard in the pocket of smokers will cause them to engage their brain). Have health funds reduce membership fees for non-smokers and increase them for smokers (why should healthy, clear-thinking, responsible people fund the self-inflicted diseases of smokers)? However, now wondering if Australia will be dragged through another court by the US tobacco companies now that the TPP deal has been done. If we increase the cost of tobacco by introducing a new Tax Law which causes the tobacco companies to lose profits, I believe they can sue (for changing our own law!). If such a legal battle was successful, this could cause irreparable damage to our Australian economy.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:48pm
    A good point. It was terribly wrong of this government and Andrew Robb signing off on such a clause. I can foresee that big companies like tobacco and pharmaceutical companies with bottomless pockets will come after governments. Then governments will roll over. That is what big business wants, to run the show with their rules and anything goes.

    10th Nov 2015
    2:37pm
    Well that's two policies the Labour party has for the next election (one each year) Gay marriages and well taxed cigarettes; they always bring a lot to the table ?
    I'll be looking forward to their third policy probably just before next years election.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:49pm
    A bit unfair even from a right wing stoolie. So how many policies did Tony Abbott have 1 year before the election?
    Answer: NOT ONE!
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:50pm
    Oh, and I forgot....Abbott just lied about having policies (sound familiar?) and said that they would be presented in due time. Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb!
    Anonymous
    10th Nov 2015
    3:55pm
    Mick just another Labour troll ?
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    4:18pm
    robbo, he should not be allowed to post here!
    Anonymous
    10th Nov 2015
    4:21pm
    You are right Frank but it wouldn't be as much fun without him we always rope him in.
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    4:25pm
    Ha ha ha ha!!! Yes, especially when one takes exception to his beloved layba pardy. :)
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    6:09pm
    Just playing the devil's advocate. Had Frank been fair, honest and unbiased the above post would not have been made.
    Tomaso
    10th Nov 2015
    3:11pm
    I totally agree with Don, being a non smoker, it doesn't bother me, but must be heading to be the highest taxed country in the world, due to the pollies incompetence.
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    3:53pm
    We must be pretty well the highest taxed. Don't expect any tax relief though as it can only be a shell game with a redistribution. We cannot all be winners and if readers look at the last 2 years of this government they will see that every move made has been to move money out of the bank accounts of average citizens and into the bank accounts of the rich.
    Don't kid yourself about lower taxes. IT CAN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING DEFICITS....the result of flogging off anything and everything of value to foreigners.
    Believer
    10th Nov 2015
    4:14pm
    Do cigars go up as well? Joe Hockey should pay!
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    9:23pm
    Email Joe and ask. Not sure if he has gotten to the US for his government funded junket yet.
    Tomaso
    10th Nov 2015
    4:53pm
    I totally concur Mick, we r losers all the bloody way with these pollies, its a law for them n a law for us, they r not in touch with reality at all.....

    10th Nov 2015
    6:38pm
    great to see labor mick running the comments on this article, always attempting to show his loyalty to his so beloved labor party, wonder what shorty would do without labor mick's adulation, what a wonderful partnership they have, wonder if he is still being paid by the union movement or the labor party and still carries the red flag at the front of the may labor day, of course he agrees of shorties increases of this tobacco taxes, more money for the labor party to misspend, hopefully we remember the likes of labor mp thomson, found he used the ex president of the labor party, mr? williamson

    10th Nov 2015
    6:53pm
    sorry I was cut off, going back to thomson , the court found he used $ 300.00.00 of HSU members' funds to pay for prostitudes etc., the former president of the labor party michael williamson doing a 5 year stretch, not on the football field but in jail for fraud against that union, take in consideration the other frauds representing that union and now facing courts and are representing the labor party and it will give you an understanding why labor mick is defending his beloved labor party,
    as for my opinion of raising the tobacco tax, he who never sinned can throw the first stone!!!
    labor mick has still not answered my question to him, who pays him, the union or the labor party?
    Jim
    10th Nov 2015
    6:56pm
    the anti smokers at it again, lets look at some facts, smokers on average live 15 years less than non smokers even allowing for the effects from passive smoke, therefore 15 years less claiming the pension saving billions so you non smokers can survive a little longer on the extra taxes that the smoker has paid, the government collects far more money from smoking addicts than the tobacco companies do, life choices create more problems for the health system than just smokers, obesity which can cause diabetes major drain, drunks major drain, working in heavy industry causing back problems major drain, driving your car creating pollution. I could go on, the point is that you can't blame smokers for our ailing hospitals, there are many causes that people get sick from, some are self induced many are not. the discrimination towards smokers needs to stop, unless you are going to have an extra fat tax, booze tax, fast food tax, car tax, call it a life choice tax, but stop being a holier than thou critic
    Adrianus
    10th Nov 2015
    7:02pm
    Yes good post Dim! Not all smokers are crooks and labor voters. Many smokers may only have the one vice so lay off their case!
    MICK
    10th Nov 2015
    9:34pm
    No arguments about taxes, fair or otherwise. Governments live on the back of suffering and refuse to stop the game. I would say that smoking was eventually addressed as was the guns issue.
    I can see the anger from some people Dim and these are likely smokers. What I do not see is any discussion of who pays when a smoker comes to the hospitals with emphysema, lung cancer, macular degeneration and a whole host of other ailments caused by their habit. It is the smoker's fault when this happens as the results of decades of heavy smoking (on most smokers) are well understood. Not rocket science.
    I find it interesting that we live in a society where when people are forced to confront problems which they themselves have caused we get the normal "discrimination" out. Putting the price of fags up may seem unfair but it is hardly discrimination.
    Personally I find it obnoxious that All governments are happy to live off the misery of its citizens: smokers, heavy drinkers, gamblers, etc. That is what really stinks....but they are addicted to the revenue and turn a blind eye lest the money train stops.
    I may be a critic....but am not self righteous. You have a really bad and destructive habit and it would be wonderful if you were able to beat it. Good luck Dim.

    10th Nov 2015
    11:20pm
    labor mick has to be a comic by stating he is not self righteous, yet preaches to others about the bad habits some might have, yet at the same times agrees with his labor party and his labor unions ripping off their members and wondering why his beloved shorty and his labor party are on the nose, labor mick, it does not matter what you or your mate shorty are saying, don't think we'll forget the profiteering by the unions.
    I rather see a person having a smoke than being ripped off by rorting overpaid labor union personel. labor mick, I don't know how you can sleep at night.
    particolor
    10th Nov 2015
    11:39pm
    Tax Bottled Alcohol HEAVILY !! I've Never seen anyone Hitting someone over the Head with a Packet of Cigarettes ??
    Adrianus
    11th Nov 2015
    7:08am
    I'll bet nobody has seen you in the same room as superman either? But what does that prove?
    PlanB
    11th Nov 2015
    6:30am
    I do not smoke either BUT smoking is a LEGAL drug and has been for many decades.

    Yes I think smokers are very unfairly treated, you don't see a smokers mind get altered like it does with Alcohol and get into fights or get into a car and drive and kill others but there is not as much done to stop drinkers!

    The only think I find with smokers is their awful habit of throwing their buts all over the place, that they should be fined heavily for but some of the rules they have for them now is WAY OVER THE TOP.

    I do not know how anyone affords to smoke or drink --or gamble and some do the lot.
    Anonymous
    13th Nov 2015
    10:48am
    Yes, and some do the lot on the pension that other taxpayers have to provide.
    Strummer
    11th Nov 2015
    8:00am
    Who cares!
    PlanB
    11th Nov 2015
    8:13am
    Thats a very selfish outlook Strummer, so many people have been lied to for many decades and are now addicted -- even Drs smoked years ago and now they are expected to just give up !

    Even Drug users get better treatment than that!
    Reeper
    11th Nov 2015
    1:42pm
    I am a non-smoker! I do however believe that as long as tobacco is a legal substance, those using it should not be penalised. I you don't seen smokers rolling around the streets, spewing up, in various stages of undressing, abusive to everyone as a result of their smoking - yet little is done to curb alcohol use.
    Most councils allow rabid Mohammadanism to flourish on their streets with all it's problems than admit smokers do have some rights.
    All you holier than thou non-smokers need to take a good look at your own lives and just how much of your life is possible because of tobacco tax.....what will you do if this tax no longer exists.....????
    Lecheman
    11th Nov 2015
    3:54pm
    Good call Reeper.
    I used to smoke but now vape instead. The addiction is real and stays with you forever. For info sake, the government last year passed a task to the University of NSW to study vaping and its effects. It is obvious the government is looking at another revenue provider.
    I am so over listening to the 'non-smoker' whinging about their precious taxes going to support smoker's, the unemployed, alcohol, and God knows what else!
    If there are no more smoker's then the government will seek another source - that is inevitable. Hence while the government may make these noises listening to you all, I can assure you they will not cut their productive income sources.
    The solution I would proffer is they install strict guidelines for government expenditure, regardless of the Party in power (example: the ACT Local government spending millions to remove the fluoride from the ACT water supply, only to return it a couple of years later).
    PlanB
    11th Nov 2015
    4:37pm
    Also what about these "Shooting up rooms" they pay for them but punish smokers !?
    Tomaso
    11th Nov 2015
    7:36pm
    Lechemen, I totally agree with your comments too.
    PIXAPD
    12th Nov 2015
    2:13pm
    To stop smoking...just STOP
    Jon S
    13th Nov 2015
    10:09pm
    Smokers should feel like outcasts - cigarette smoke is in there with the aroma of dog shit and puke.
    Anonymous
    14th Nov 2015
    1:02am
    Haha wouldn't put it exactly like that, but certainly agree with you!
    Not Senile Yet!
    14th Nov 2015
    3:27pm
    Mick ......talk about a Black & White attitude????
    Like a face horse with Blinkers on mate!!!
    I want to see the Federal Government.....regardless of Left or Right Wingers....try to bring in a 160% Tax on ALL Alcohol, Betting, Fast Food and Yes you guessed it LOLLIES or SWEETS!!!
    See if they will be re-elected then eh ????
    Current tax in Tobacco and ALL tobacco products is 160%!!!!
    Has been consistently above 100% since 1920..bet you did not know that??
    Furthermore Less than 10% of that revenue tax is spent on the Quit Programs to assist people to actually Quit!!!
    Bet you did not know that either????
    We have a federal Legislation that forbids Discrimination...Yet our own Government actively discriminates against the Smoker....WHY???
    Because people like Mick condone it...WHY???
    Because he knows that it means he has to pay Less Tax..that's why!!
    As for the smokers costing the health system...what a lot of Propaganda Rot that is!!!
    They are probably the only tax payers that have pre-paid for their medical costs by ten fold!!!
    Bahh Humbug to you Mick!!!
    When everyone stops.....which I agree would be better for them...just you remember that the Billions collected...will then have to come from YOUR Pocket somehow!!!
    PlanB
    15th Nov 2015
    6:19am
    YEs and I have heard that smoking is one of the hardest things to give up, so have a bit of feeling for those that do.
    They seem to have plenty for the Drug takers and thats NOT legal
    Adrianus
    15th Nov 2015
    7:52am
    NSY, a very good post. I don't like to be around smokers, I avoid smokers because I find the smoke irritates my respiratory system. What I find more irritating though is the way smokers have been marginalised. In the not too distant past people like mick would not have had strong opinions of smokers.
    particolor
    16th Nov 2015
    4:57pm
    Absolutely WELL SAID N S Y !! Smokers have already paid their Tax Ten Fold ! They also pay their Medical Insurance and Hospital Bills !
    But the Government will still protect their Honey Pot with Vigour as they rake it in !! telling people we are putting the Tax up to make You QUIT ??..
    PlanB
    17th Nov 2015
    6:40am
    If anyone believes the Government cares a hoot about ANYONE they are kidding themselves
    Tomaso
    14th Nov 2015
    4:39pm
    Well said NSY.
    PlanB
    17th Nov 2015
    6:45am
    Please note that the Government never did a thing about Asbestos even though they knew it was a killer for decades, also Julie Bishop was the MAIN legal eagle for Hardies that fought against the poor souls that had Asbestois.
    Also Asbestos is STILL around and also being used in imports from China as well

    18th Nov 2015
    4:43pm
    nsy, great comment and this comes from a non-smoker


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