Abbott victory a shoo-in

Next week will see Tony Abbott sworn in as Prime Minister – so what will his government deliver?

Abbott victory a shoo-in

No matter which way you look at the polling, you would have to conclude that next week will see Tony Abbott sworn in as Prime Minister. Rather than link to the ‘usual’ polls, we are sharing a link to a Wikipedia summary of all polls, so you can see how they vary, but also how consistent they are on the lead currently held – three days out – by the Coalition. Projecting a Liberal-NCP win, Australian Financial Review commentator, Laura Tingle, suggests we are now about to see revenge on a large scale, with the Labor party highly unlikely to give the new government ‘an easy ride’.

So what will an Abbott-led government deliver?

Watch Laura Tingle discussing Labor’s possible revenge.

The leader we deserve?

Barring an unforeseen natural disaster of epic proportions which positions our Kev as the only man who can get us out of trouble, we will see Tony Abbott sworn in as the 29th Prime Minister of Australia sometime next week. This is the natural conclusion of six years of divisive politicking by Mr Abbott, so to the victor goes the spoils. Mr Rudd is unlikely to hack opposition for long. He’s too egotistical to cop anything less than the top job, as Australians well know. He’s also personally wealthy enough to give up a parliamentarian’s salary without a second thought. And, to be fair, he’s a sufficiently intelligent and experienced diplomat to pull a top overseas posting in record time. So it’s goodbye Kev, probably sooner rather than later.

So Australia will face – barring any other unforeseen circumstances – a three-year stint with Tony Abbott as PM.

I have been joking for some time now that this means I will have to leave the country, and this will give me the perfect excuse for my long-held hankering for a sabbatical in Paris. But that’s just a dream I can’t fulfil, so I will be here, front and centre, to experience Mr Abbott’s tenure.

Those who read my blogs will know I have little respect for Mr Abbott’s performance as leader of the Opposition. Yes, he will have won the election. But at what cost to our parliament and our political culture? At a huge cost, I will maintain. In today’s Australian Financial Review, journalist Laura Tingle has highlighted the fact that Mr Abbott’s relentless negativity has now provided a green light to Labor to block each and every legislative initiative the new government attempts to introduce. At one level it is tempting to be petty and say, ‘So be it’ and hope the Coalition is at least equally as frustrated as the minority Labor Government has been since 2010.

But how sad would this be?

Australia is a great country.

It is youthful, dynamic, gutsy and free.

We deserve the very best government and the very best legislation that can be passed.

So I, like all others, will have to grit my teeth and wish Doctor No well.

Good luck Tony – you’ll need it – and you’ll need all those we didn’t vote for to push through the policy we need to move ahead.

What do you think? If the Liberal NCP wins, should Labor be as obstructive as the current opposition has been? Or should we all get behind our next government?





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    Jen
    4th Sep 2013
    10:35am
    Amazing really. The LNP still haven't answered thousands of questions about funding and other matters, only a few days out from the election, yet they will win...Actually, we'll be getting the government those who vote for them deserve. The remainder of us deserve better. But Labor stuffed it up for themselves. They made too many mistakes, fought amongst themselves, and didn't have a clue how to sell their many great achievements. So really, it'll be a matter of Labor losing the election, not LNP winning. Murdoch played his own part as well, because he knows there are plenty of sheep amongst us.
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    10:53am
    Labor hasn't answered questions about where the money has gone. Mostly wasted. We cannot reward a party that has been dishonest, incompetent and tainted by corruption. The mud slinging by the ALP vastly outrates LNP negativity. Tony Abbott is no statesman but he has more integrity than the whole ALP. All Oppositions are responsible for holding the government to account. I expect no less from whichever party is in opposition - that's its job.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    11:58am
    Yes Jen, oh yessss !!!
    Wstaton
    4th Sep 2013
    12:19pm
    Hold on a minute. I thought the money had gone to stimulate the economy. The insulation for example although not quite managed has it should has been kept a lot of people in jobs. So the school hall programs. Again not quite managed how it should have been but also kept a lot of people in jobs. If that hadn't happened we would have been in a right state now like the rest of the world.
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    12:21pm
    So true Aloysius. Yessssss!!!!!!
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:28pm
    Spot on Wstaton !! Oh yessssssssssssssssssss!! We HAVE short memories and some are short-sighted also ;)
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    12:32pm
    deary deary me Aloysius & heyyybob, do you really believe that all the money went into these fiasco's? Where are the millions every day going to now?
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:45pm
    Boo Neff !! Here comes GFC MkII, throw in a couple of decent floods, one or two Cyclones and a big bushfire season or two and The Coalition in office ?? .....we better hope not !!
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    12:47pm
    MYTH: The Stimulus helped save and create jobs

    FACT: Labor’s cooked the books! There are now 350,000 people receiving unemployment benefits who are classified as “non-jobseekers”, meaning they are not required to work and don’t come up in the unemployment figures. In fact, a conservative estimate by the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows that the number of people without jobs went up by 222,000 between December 2007 and July 2013! Treasury didn’t even bother to do proper modeling, but a peer review paper by John Humphreys, Australian Tax Alliance Deputy Director, has shown that even using the Treasury’s own approach, the stimulus directly cost 30,000 jobs. To make matters worse, productivity also has plummeted under the Labor Government due to their winding back our industrial relations system back to the 1960's.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    1:08pm
    Interesting. If there hadn't been any 'stimulus' attempt there would have been less unemployed ? Wow ! TRY: Linking 350,000 on unemployment benefits with the 'stimulus' Double Wow !! Get a grip Aloysius ;)
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    1:19pm
    Rudd inherited 20 billion credit from Howard. In six years, he has turned it into a debit of over 300 billion, with an annual interest bill of 10 billion. Now, this occurred during record income from the mining companies, which would have compensated a lot for the GFC. So to my way of thinking there are many billions siphoned off. The numbers just do not add up. WHERE HAS IT ALL GONE???? Could Rudds union mates have some idea?? Perhaps we should ask Craig Thomson. He is bound to know.
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    1:39pm
    MYTH: Government Spending can stimulate an economy

    FACT: Academic research overwhelmingly finds that the exact opposite is true: government spending makes a poor economy worse. (http://mercatus.org/publication/does-government-spending-stimulate-economies) There has been no case in history where a country has spent itself out of a recession. Here’s a great 3 minute video summarising why (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgPggTlnoxM) . Dr Julie Novak found that in Australia, “an increase in government size by ten percentage points is associated with a lower annual GDP per capita growth rate of between 1.2 and 2.5 percentage points”. Empirical evidence proves that the only way to boost an economy is through tax cuts (http://debatewise.org/debates/1010-tax-cuts-not-government-spending-are-the-best-way-out-of-recession/) – instead, Kevin Rudd did the exact opposite
    Luchar
    4th Sep 2013
    1:52pm
    "Wstaton" wants us to believe that the insulation program kept a lot of people in jobs. Unfortunately those kept in jobs were the 'fly-by-nighters' who swooped on a poorly managed program, made their fortunes and departed. Also kept in jobs were those then called upon to clean up the mess, put out the fires and repair the damage. Meanwhile the genuine insulation installers have had their business ruined. Having ordered their stock on the anticipation of increased demand for their product, they then found that Rudd suddenly abandoned the program which had gone way over budget because of the rorts from the poor management. Stuck with stock that no one now wants, many genuine businesses have gone to the wall.

    Outside of the Labor Party Cheer Squad, I have yet to find one economist who puts our survival of the GFC down to the massive expenditure and waste of the Rudd Government. Rather, they rightly attribute it to the strong economy Rudd inherited from Hawke/Keating and Howard/Costello and to the continuing demand for our resources from China.
    Wstaton
    4th Sep 2013
    2:29pm
    That may be true Aloysius but the argument in the debate was about spending yourself out of a recession. We were never in a recession the stimulus was to prevent a recession.
    Anonymous
    4th Sep 2013
    2:53pm
    SAD thing that MURDOCH can control people's votes and that the CORPORATE MEDIA in general can refuse to run adverts that show Murdoch's abject bias. Get Up adverts have now been canned by all media outlets.... so much for democracy.

    Well folks, you have GIVEN AWAY our DEMOCRATIC process and handed it over to CORPORATIONS.

    YOU have set Australia back 20 years instead of securing AUSTRALIA's FUTURE by being 20 years ahead. The Internet IS the future and by spending $29billion to make our internet even worse than what it is now.....just to appease MURDOCH's pocket..... will destroy our kids and grandkids FUTURE.

    The last time you CLOWNs VOTED for a CORPORATE RUN CAMPAIGN it was to VOTE in GST, the most inequitable and disgusting tax that PURELY designed to shift the tax burden from the wealthy to the poor (those that don't have an income STILL pay this despicable tax).

    Australia is the ONLY country to EVER vote in a Goods and Services Tax.... all other countries went kicking and shouting and had it forced upon them. BUT not Australia WE VOTED for OUR CORPORATE LEADERS because a MONSTROUS CORPORATE and GOVERNMENT MEDIA campaign was run. Most took the line, hook and sinker and voted with their feet.

    Re: the Opposition..... AS the Liberals have NOT given ANY details OR costings of their policies, then they have NO MANDATE, hence, every policy to be brought in SHOULD be fought hard against. Hopefully, we will be able to then KEEP the ABC; CSIRO; Institute of Sport; Universities available to all Australians; Public Education & Health not dumped completely; etc, etc,

    AT LEAST PEOPLE - DO NOT GIVE THE LIBERALS CONTROL OF BOTH HOUSES...... TO DO THIS IS TO VOTE AGAINST AUSTRALIA and FOR a USA style CORPORATE GOVERNMENT. They can do what they want with AUSTRALIA and it is amazing how much of OUR WEALTH can be FLOGGED off to PRIVATE CORPORATIONS within three (3) years. Oh! by the way, you WON'T READ ABOUT IT...... the Corporate (foreign) Media WILL NOT TELL YOU!!!!

    Say GOODBYE to the most EGALITARIAN nation in the World and say HELLO to LITTLE AMERICA (more poverty, crime, drugs and lower standard of living for EVERYONE except the elite wealthy).

    GOOD LUCK! If your NOT earning $400,000+pa, you will NEED IT!

    REMEMBER..... WHAT is GOOD for CORPORATIONS is NOT GOOD for the AVERAGE AUSTRALIAN or AUSTRALIA.
    NeilC
    4th Sep 2013
    5:06pm
    When it comes to comments on Australia's economy who do you believe, the shadow treasurer, opposition leader or the financial experts from the likes of the WORLD BANK.
    MiningMagnet
    4th Sep 2013
    7:11pm
    Not amazing at all really Jen
    Advertising works.
    To purchase the advertising campaign provided to the Libs by the Murdoch press would usually cost billions - remember it's been going on for a few years now and these campaigns do not come cheap.
    One wonders what deals Nick Minchin and the backroom-boys have made to keep Rupert on side - perhaps we will see some limitation of access to the internet to feed his PayTV coffers...Oh yes that's right - Tony and 'the bloke who invented the internet' - poor old Malcolm Turnbull being embarrassed by his association with Tony again - have re-defined what we need for the next few years...mmmmm
    I also reckon the cost-cutting will also target the Royal Commission into child abuse so that Tony and his church don't lose too many of his mates
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    7:54am
    No one will enlighten me as to where all the billions have gone. Is Krudd and Craig Thompson the only ones that know. Now the stimulous package did not cost anything like 300 billion. So please help me to understand. There has to be a huge hole somewhere that we don't know about. Why dose'nt someone do the sums. Will the final debt end up like it did in Queensland and give us all a heart attack. Ratings gone and 80 billion. Not a bad effort by the labor government.
    raymondp
    4th Sep 2013
    10:48am
    I hope the people who vote for Tony Abbott get exactly what they deserve - a bad time like they have given the Labor Party since 2010. Revenge is sweet.
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    11:42am
    looking forward to the so called 'bad time". It will be tough yes. Libs have a hard job ahead of them repairing the damage caused by labor.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:04pm
    You may have to wait a while Raymondp, whilst they complete a course in Positivity after practising nothing but Negativity for sooooo long ;(
    Flagman
    4th Sep 2013
    12:45pm
    Ah yes, but to be on the Treasury benches is far far better than opposition, and yes it will be sweet to see all labour cronies there for hopefully a long long time! and without the narcissist Krudd too one can only hope!!
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    1:23pm
    Phew!!!! Our country saved by an honest man. Can't handle any more lies and the squandering of all our money. A strong economy brings jobs, not government waste.
    Luchar
    4th Sep 2013
    2:00pm
    "hevvybob" wants to complain about Abbott's negativity! You must be kidding! I can only assume that you have been out of the country throughout this entire campaign and have not heard a word uttered by Rudd, Wong, Albanese or Bowen!
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    2:15pm
    Haha johnnjen ! I just know you are kidding ;) Gotta go, still looking for King Abbotts positive/detailed statement(s). Must be one here, somewhere....wanders off :D
    Anonymous
    4th Sep 2013
    3:07pm
    Neff; Surfer; Flagman; johnnjen@tpg.com.au (whoo a direct contract address...not very clever-say no more)

    Sold your souls to the foreign Corporations and sold out Australia.... good one.

    It is okay, we will never read about it because the Corporate (foreign) Media will NOT tell us.

    All we will hear from the Corporate (foreign) Media is how GOOD things are.... we will be fed PROPAGANDA, PATRIOTISM (flag waving; & anthems), RELIGION, RACISM.... combine that with DE educating us and RUNNING DOWN our PUBLIC education systems.... goodbye Australia and hello little America.

    HOWARD at least held back from total subjugation to the CORPORATIONS but ABBOTT has NO SUCH QUALMS..... He will give them whatever they want.
    raymondp
    4th Sep 2013
    4:01pm
    It appears that all of you except Mussitate, have been brain washed like the sheep you are and that follow the dribble of the Murdoch press. Another Liberal, who I hope feels the lash frequently from Saturday onward. All those who care should drop any subscriptions to this mans papers, why pay an American who interferes in Australian politics.
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    4:06pm
    The same Murdoch that supported Kevin Rudd in 2007. Rusted on blinkers on Mussitate, Geomac and raymondp are great for entertainment value.
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    7:58am
    OH NO, Not you again Must-you -rate, Spreading lies as usual. Thought you had shuffled off. Please please no more labor lies, we have had enough of them through Krudd.
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    10:55am
    I am just so grateful to get such a great Australian leader for our country in Tony Abbott after the Hollywood fiasco we have put up with over the last six years of devastation to our economy and to our country. There is really no comparison between the two men. One is a fine upstanding leader we can be proud of, and the description of the other could not be printed. Being in small business, Tony, you have saved our bacon.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:00pm
    Dead right....there IS no comparison. We ARE going to be sooooo sorry :(
    ozykiwi
    4th Sep 2013
    12:22pm
    Surfer - yeah, I'm in small business also and it has been TOUGH while Labor has been running the show. This new FBT fiasco is crazy... and yes, while some have rorted the system regarding FBT, the vast majority comply and it works. It seems any system that's working well needs to be changed by Labor???
    Speaking from a small business perspective....we need business confidence! Labor cannot offer that, Liberals can.........SIMPLES.
    Wstaton
    4th Sep 2013
    12:29pm
    what is Tony Abbotts outstanding leader credentials. He hasn't been a PM yet.

    Leader of the opposition yes. He was leading them will he did his best to stop any ALP policies through the parliment. Thats not leading but time will tell.

    He says he has a mandate to put all his policies through but on individual polling of some of them (paid leave - no, NBN - no, people want ALP's NBN, even the carbon tax more people are for it than against)

    Yet he is going to get in on the percieved stuffups of the ALP.

    The only real mandate he has got is to create 2 million jobs in 10 years.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:31pm
    You will get what you deserve then if ALL your employees get pregnant :) Hope they send you a postcard from themselves and the kids on their holiday in Fiji or where ever :D
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:35pm
    Yep Wstation. Wotta joke ..... 2,000,000, TWO MILLION, not ONE but TWO MILLION jobs !! And people are believing that is actually possible ? HAH !! That is a measure of THEM, I reckon ;)
    Wstaton
    4th Sep 2013
    12:38pm
    Sorry, if only a few were rorting the FBT system why is it causing so many problems. The fact it is means that there was a lot of it. The current system (why the heck it was put in in the first place I will never know) was always going to be a blank check to rorting. I had a novated lease when I worked and did not have a problem filling in entries for a couple of months to justify it. Considering that we have to justify many more tax exemptions why should cars be different.

    If we are going to condone tax systems that encourage rorting then we may as well give up and rort on everything. I personally do not want to see my country run on rorts.
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    12:41pm
    heyybob - works well in more advanced countries. But we are a pretty dopey lot here I'm afraid.
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    12:43pm
    Apart from ozykiwi you all seem to have missed the point. Tony Abbott is the type of man I have been used to mixing with. What he says is what you get. He also does a lot of volunteer work, could you imagine Krudd doing anything bur for himself. To see pathetic Krudd out doing his morning exercise for the cameras this morning and passers by calling him a bum says it all in Queensland where he is known. What a poser, copying Tony and John Howard for a couple of days before election. No, sorry I cannot write what he is known as. Tony is a real man, the other pathetic little chap well I am not sure what he is.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:49pm
    Neff - your opinion of your fellow voters sums up your case methinks ;)
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:53pm
    Surfer - strewth, three days to go and he STILL hasn't said a lot and you may be right - that is what we may get ;( ....... "A real man and a pathetic little chap" Wow !!
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    1:09pm
    heyyybob----- At least we will have a real man at the top. Please admit, it would have to be better than the last six years of torture. I think the little chap will disappear. You won't see him for dust.
    geomac
    4th Sep 2013
    1:17pm
    Saved our bacon ? Like Abbott your hubris is way over the top surfer . We have an economy the envy of many developed nations , low interest rates , low unemployment . What bacon is there to save ? In three years time we may , repeat may not will need someone to save our bacon but not at this present time .
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    1:19pm
    You know what Surfer ? I reckon BOTH 'real men' will disappear no matter who gets in ;) I would, ideally, still have the Real Woman and continue achieving the good things that she DID bring about. *sigh.
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    1:44pm
    MYTH: Australia only escaped the “Global Financial Crisis” because of Kevin Rudd

    FACT: Australia’s escaped relatively unscathed from the so-called “Global Financial Crisis” due to the legacy of the Howard Government leaving strong budget surpluses and eliminating the debt - Australia had no net debt federally, (http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/qed/2013/08/the-bill-comes-due-for-rudd-s-misdiagnosis) and, according to the IMF, some of the lowest gross debt in the world (http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/cat/longres.cfm?sk=24332.0) . Furthermore, the Howard government's reforms to industrial relations ensured a flexible labour market and increase productivity. This – combined with some prudent monetary policy (the lowering of relatively-high interest rates by the Reserve Bank giving Australians a higher disposable income, thereby boosting consumption) and the strength of Australian banks – is what spared us.
    geomac
    4th Sep 2013
    3:19pm
    Al
    Howards industrial reforms including the infamous workchoices retarded productivity not increased it , fact .
    Australia became the 12th largest economy in the world last year, buoyed by a strong dollar, and even at its current valuation we likely still hold 12th spot. This isn’t unprecedented, as we explained last year: Australia has occupied that spot before, and even reached 11th in 1983. In its favour, Australia had not merely close links with China and the Rudd government’s stimulus package, but a rapidly growing population compared with most Western economies, particularly as expatriates fled collapsing overseas economies and returned home. But even when adjusted for both population increase and a strong dollar, Australia’s performance under Labor remains a good one. According to International Monetary Fund data, in 2007 Australia ranked 14th in GDP based on purchasing-power-parity (PPP) per capita. This year, we’re forecast to be ninth. All under a government derided as economically incompetent and reform-averse.
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/09/04/on-economic-growth-labor-produced-the-goods/
    sensible senior
    4th Sep 2013
    6:08pm
    geomac i would take crikeys word if you pay me i have looked into their site and they still send me emails they are so far up labors arse it is not funny.
    MiningMagnet
    4th Sep 2013
    7:05pm
    Aloysius....maaate.....looking through a narrow keyhole there...and with a 'unique' perspective too...bit of a Libs bro-mance goin' on bud ??...
    You guys do know the GFC grew during the Howard govt don't you ??...and you do know it was about over-extended credit don't you ?...and you do know that the incoming govt turned up at the doors of treasury without any hint from the outgoing wombles that there was a problem heh?
    While Howard years govt debt remained within expected bounds - due to windfall profits from over-valued and over-heated economic conditions - private (read business and household debt) went through the roof and it would have been OK to leave, except the banks would have fallen over, business crash and unemployment through the roof....NAB and one other unnamed bank required over $10 billion to prevent trading as bankrupt...very quiet given that banking is a 'confidence game' ...I love that saying and I couldn't agree more...it is a confidence trickster's game actually...
    The mining boom dropped dead (other than some gold ops) in about 6 mths
    And WorkChoices !!...maaate, even the ill informed yokels who only read right-wing info came to understand it was a bad idea driven by political opportunism of a majority in both house...talk about absolute power corrupting...and gave the Libs a touch-up it took them all these years (and Rupert's willing assistance) to recover from
    I bet you are one of Gina's advisers or perhaps her speech writer...ohhh dear...please excuse any typos, I'm still wiping the tears of laughter from my eyes...
    Mate, I want some of your drugs, clearly they are very, very much better than mine...I don't seem to be able to shake off reality with such reckless abandon as you do...maybe it's true what they say about Merlot......
    It must take you ages to find these narrow, limited-context little reports that fit your political bias.
    But thank you, thank you for a wonderful moment in my day......
    I have sent your words through to my right-wing wack-job mates to show that they are not actually true believers in the one-true-path yet - they still check information and discard the most errant drivel as a matter of routine.
    Jen
    4th Sep 2013
    7:23pm
    :D
    Misty
    4th Sep 2013
    11:36pm
    If anyone in small business or big business for that matter think people will spend more after the electionthey have a big disappointment in store. Most people are worried about what is happening in Greece, Spain etc, mining slowing down and also the slow down in China are what is stopping people buying. I also do a lot of my buying on the internet where I can buy things much cheaper and until Australia gets it's act together and stops outsourcing all the manufacturing jobs that is what I will continue to do. If all the products on sale in shops now are made overseas I may as well buy them from there and save myself all the mark ups that the Australian businesses put on their goods. When will the retailers learn that outsourcing is not the solution, when they have all gone bust apparently.
    retroy
    4th Sep 2013
    11:34am
    Rudd appears to have been well received on the international scene even though most of us now regard him as a deficient in so many ways.
    Given a chance to shine internationally Tony Abbott will do extremely well, and he has a much more outgoing personality than defective Rudd, so do not write him off as "no statesman".
    He comes across as much more sincere and lets face it there are more conservative leaning governments now than when Rudd first came to power as many nationalities have come to realise that socialism is not the answer.
    USA being the exception where people have not yet woken up that handouts and welfare cannot last forever when the country is going(or gone) broke.
    Tony will shine and Australia will be a better place in the world.
    Troubadour
    4th Sep 2013
    6:05pm
    Well said. Tony is not the Statesman John Howard was, but he has not had the
    chance yet - so give him a go. Let's get this great Nation back on track.
    Misty
    5th Sep 2013
    4:39pm
    Imagine the embarrassment Tony will cause with his hums, ahs, etc., and also coming out with things like "Suppositry" and other inappropriate remarks, the thought makes me cringe.
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    7:44pm
    Don't forget Misty, Tony is a rhode scholar. We can't all be perfection plus in everything. Take poor old Rudd. He has a problem with lies. We thought the suppositry remark very funny up here in QLD. I think one might help poor old krudd.
    aquatrek
    5th Sep 2013
    8:05pm
    Misty: If you had watche the 'dinner party' inetrview with Abbot last night you would have been surprised at the lack of uhms and ahhs. I cant wait for the verbal diarrhea that Krudds interview will bring forth.
    Grey Voter
    4th Sep 2013
    11:35am
    It will be very sad really if Australia drags this election into months and perhaps years of REVENGE ! Why revenge? Why can't everyone accept the democratic process and FOR A CHANGE put the interests of the Nation first? Why do Aussie politicians think so much short term and why is their personal hip pocket and their ego their sacrosant priority? Let whoever wins this stupid election govern in the interest of ALL Australians. I hope Bill Shorten, who will in all probability replace the farcical Kevin as leader of the ALP very soon, show maturity and wisdom to restore the ALP to a credible political force and assist in keeping Australia in the global place it deserves.
    Luchar
    4th Sep 2013
    2:12pm
    Sadly, "Grey Voter", that which you desire, and which Australia deserves, will prove to be wishful thinking. During Howard's four terms in office, the Labor Party did not support a single major policy proposal. Unfortunately comments from the likes of the Greens and from Mark Butler can only suggest that an Abbott Government faces the same lack of support, regardless of the decision of the Australian people.
    geomac
    4th Sep 2013
    5:10pm
    Abbott has spent three years saying no to everything including the policy the coalition took to the 2007 election . Thats how he knifed Turnbull by one vote to get the leadership .
    So johnjen Beazley did not agree with the Howard funding policy and let it pass parliament ? Thats just one policy on the spur of the moment I can think of . Took ten seconds so that refutes your not one single major policy statement in four terms . Imagine if I put my mind to it ?
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    11:38am
    So .... Julie Bishop, Campbell Newman and Warren Truss have given us a taste of the spiteful, childish, back-biting which we will have to endure for the next three years???? What? They are pussycats compared to labors vicious backstabbing, nasty ways that we have had to endure for the last 6 years.
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    2:24pm
    Labor cannot stop stabbing each other in the back. Next we will have that weed Shorten in control. Well what an outfit.. Sept7 please hurry up and lets get back to normal.
    aquatrek
    5th Sep 2013
    8:08pm
    the faceless men have been very very very quite while the verbal diarrhea from Krudd has swamped all and sundry. Shorten knew that to lay low was the best ploy. If only the AWU scandal had broken before the election. The ALP would have disintegrated even further into oblivion. Still, that may happen yet.
    Grey Voter
    4th Sep 2013
    11:45am
    Incidentally, only Mr Palmer promised us grey voters a "decent living wage". At least, he was the only politician to acknowledge our plight. Pity he is not in the running for the top job !
    minnie
    4th Sep 2013
    11:47am
    Grey Voter, I can't see anything democratic about what's happening. We have a media almost all entirely owned by one man who has given no unbiased coverage of policies and budgets who is manipulating the Australian Public for his own sick enjoyment. No doubt the Royal Commission into child abuse will be thrown in the bin and so many who were harmed at the hands of Tony's mates in the Catholic Church will be exonerated. The Australian Public will get what they deserve and every one of us should hang our heads in shame for allowing our Parliament to be overtaken by these bully boys and girls. Frankly I'm disgusted at the behaviour and what Tony Abbott has done to our system of Government, I would love to see him and Rudd lose their seats in this election because that's what they both deserve!
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:02pm
    Dead set, you are right Minnie :(
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    12:04pm
    Oh well. Its a change from having the abc sneakily campaigning for labor as they have been doing for years. Makes it an even playing field I should think.
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    12:53pm
    Murdoch supported Kevin Rudd in the 2007 election. He supports the party that will help his own interests and he changes with the wind. He is not aligned with any party but he has seen Labor for what it is on this occasion.
    Luchar
    4th Sep 2013
    2:24pm
    Sorry to disappoint you, "Minnie" and "hevvybob", but we do not "have a media almost all entirely owned by one man". In fact, neither does "one man" own the 70% as claimed on several occasions by Rudd. Murdoch owns but 30% of the media outlets. What he does have is 70% of the readership, which, in a democratic society, is a measurement of the judgement of the people who are free to choose where to seek their news.

    Further, in a recent research finding, the Murdoch press was found to be the most balanced of the major news outlets, with the ABC found to lean slightly to the left with the Fairfax outlets found to be the most biased.
    geomac
    4th Sep 2013
    5:17pm
    johnjen
    Murdoch owns 63% of print media and then throw in Sky and Foxtel . Of course we cannot forget the young Murdochs role in channel 10 together with Gina etc .
    where was the recent research conducted and who by ? The right wing think tank IPS or whatever its called because it " right " out of whack . Thats the big joke in the USA , fair and balanced .
    MiningMagnet
    4th Sep 2013
    7:33pm
    johnjen.....mate I know you're just winding people up and well done.
    I mean only someone unable to read, write or watch TV would be ignorant of the penetration that Rupert's desires have into the Australian psyche.
    At last count he was running 180 newspapers, magazines and periodicals into the aussie landscape - I'm not even going to start on the 'allied media' associations'
    I know that personnel of your intellectual capacity operate independent of the rest of society but advertising does actually work in Australia.
    Yes, I said it out loud.
    Business spends billions every year, not because they think Rupert is such a good bloke - which he undoubtedly he is I'm sure - but because it directs choice - that's all it does.
    Now as you may imagine no reasonable business could afford to run a consistent nation-wide campaign for years at a time...but wait Rupert has managed to do this because he is such a good bloke he reckons we need a push to get this democracy-voting-choice thing correct...and let's not disappoint him
    Oh mate - I luv this page - once again it has made my day....tears of joy and I have emailed your comments to my right-wing, wack-job(RWWJ) mates to reveal to them how far they fall short on the Libs 'true-believer' status thing
    Grey Voter
    4th Sep 2013
    11:55am
    Well said Minnie. The Catholic Church should be praying for the next great Aussie Leader. I should hope that whatever happens this weekend, the Royal Commission into child abuse continues its essential work.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:20pm
    Do the words CUTS, CUTS, CUTS worry you Grey Voter. They do me :(
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    12:47pm
    Those "cuts" words should only worry the labor true believers who have been brainwashed.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:58pm
    Hang around neff, hang around :(........... Newman sends his regards ;)
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    2:30pm
    Yes, as a Queenslander I remind you, Bligh bankrupted our state to the tune of 80 billion. We have lost all our ratings as a result. Poor Campbell Newman inherited this mess and it is his job to fix it. So it was Labors fault, not Newmans. It will take many years to bring our bankrupt state back to normal.
    Luchar
    4th Sep 2013
    2:32pm
    Newman! Isn't he the one charged with cleaning up the mess left behind by Beattie and Bligh, including the massive debt left behind despite Queensland's own mining boom!
    Foxy
    4th Sep 2013
    4:46pm
    ...if the Catholic Church (and all church's in general) were made to pay taxes - the deficit would be reduced drastically!
    Anonymous
    4th Sep 2013
    11:44pm
    Totally agree foxy ....
    MiningMagnet
    5th Sep 2013
    12:12am
    Significant concern Grey Voter
    Tony aka 'the mad monk' to his mates and his Jesuit background will be greatly troubled by any type of transparency directed towards his paedophile-supporting church
    Tony is already on record providing a character reference for a priest later struck off the register....notice I said struck off, not jailed, not tried, but the church's involvement was such that the case could not proceed to its proper conclusion.
    The other churches will be equally keen to see the Royal Commission go away - the very honourable Archbishop Pell is sweating blood hoping that they have the numbers behind the scenes to prevent the worst of their excesses seeing the light of day
    Already there are whisperings from people who have been keen to give the evidence of their case/situation being given the run-around and perhaps given a 10-minute download, consigned to confidentiality and then invited to leave.
    Must get the law to impose mandatory report to police of any suggestions of inappropriate activity.
    Tony maintains his lack of commitment to opening this up for public view !!
    Just trying to imagine how different the responses would be if a Union was discovered to be harbouring paedophiles in this manner........
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    12:21pm
    agree with foxy;;;;; also the Royal Commision should continue, and the people responsible for destroying some peoples lives, be put away, dealt with properly NOT just removed, its disjusting, a pedafile, in the community, would be jailed, and so should they, not hide behind the church,SHAME on you T Abbot for a character witness, for someone so EVIL: makes me wonder?????
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    12:26pm
    gee some take a loss hard - evil ? thats hate speak and banned on here
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    12:40pm
    No its the TRUTH, can see you have no compassion fr those poor people interfered with, it is EVIL, just children, my god, what religion is that, ban all you like, EVIL is EVIL
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    12:53pm
    here ya go Chris.
    This 'pill' will calm you down a lot before you burst some inner piping.
    http://www.adherents.com/people/100_Nobel.html
    some are actually catholics
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    3:07pm
    You know,you`d be different if it happened to one of yours
    You take the pill yfdh you need it
    jennyya
    4th Sep 2013
    12:06pm
    And Kaye, I am sure a lot of us will be glad to see you leave this site as you are extremely biased against the Libs. We at last will have some sense back in Oz with a bit of luck on the change of government. Hopefully the Libs will be in for a long stint. We will need it as the country is a mess thanks to you and other labor voters who have wreaked havoc on our own dear country and put us in debt for years to come. If I were you, I would move overseas permanently if you can't stand the heat in the kitchen. You may learn something and have your eyes widened especially in France where they have let too many undesirables in and are in a terrible mess. England too. There have been too many labor/socialist governments in these countries and you can also include the United States and when the Republican/Conservatives finally make it to the top, they are surrounded by debt and destruction
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    12:16pm
    I can hardly wait to hear your 'reasoned' explainition of how/why King Abbott isn't able to turn back the tide of 'undesirables'. Reckon it will be a real giggle ;)
    Kaye Fallick
    4th Sep 2013
    12:31pm
    Hi Jennyya, I wasn't aware i was leaving - i work here :-)
    jennyya
    4th Sep 2013
    12:37pm
    Kaye! Make your dream come true!!!!!
    Kaye Fallick
    4th Sep 2013
    12:51pm
    Great - are you free 5.5 days a week to take over? :-)
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    1:00pm
    Quite right jennyya, We just cannot afford to have a socialist rudd in any longer, squandering all our hard earned tax paid dollars. Polluteing our childrens minds with socialist thoughts. No wonder he is always trying to be king of the kids. Useing his parliamentary privilage to have them awe inspired. Cunning rat.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    1:12pm
    Oh, oh !! Surfs up ;)
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    1:13pm
    Bit late 'surfer' ..... shoulda been here last Wednesday ;)
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    2:38pm
    Our poor little Australian school kids must be thinking Krudd is some sort of demi god. Swooning around doing high fives and allowing them to have a photo with the messiah. Is he related to father Xmas and throwing his billions around like confetti. What would you like to be when you grow up???? They all answer at once Mr. Rudd. Now I do not want my grand kids minds being polluted by this little commo so will have to tell them when they come home, it is all a joke, a fantacy like the tooth fairy. When the see Mr. Rudd throwing his billions around it affects their feeling for the value of money. They think I am a very tight walleted grandad. A skinflint.
    geomac
    4th Sep 2013
    3:42pm
    Jennyya
    your awareness of the USA and political outcomes is sadlt lacking . It is an established fact that Republicans waste and Democrats save or put another way the Democrats restore what the Republicans have let go . Of recent history Clinton left the USA economy healthy ( trillions ) and Bush left it sick ( trillions ) when he handed the baton to Obama . Australia has climbed to 12th on the world economy listing and thats during Labor . So your havoc scenario is unfounded but then again so was the rest of your comments .
    sensible senior
    4th Sep 2013
    6:13pm
    jennya i agree with you kaye i do think you are biased and if you work there you should be neutral.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2013
    3:26pm
    What a lot of rot that is, Australia is far better off then nearly all developed countries Jennya, if you did your homework and researched a bit better you would see how the facts speak for themselves. Labor did well to pass so many policies, especially with a hung parliament and a hostile opposition. I am a senior and we never were so badly off as we were under the 11 years of Liberals, what did they do?, other then save money that should have been spent on infrastructure then and schools and hospitals they did nothing, I think you are all in for a big shock under Tony Abbott but for all our sakes I hope I am wrong.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2013
    3:32pm
    The whole trouble with society today is that they are too greedy, everyone wants everything and they want it now, they can't stand to think that someone may have a bigger, better, car, house , job, holiday then themselves. No one is prepared to wait until they can afford to buy like we did, that was half the fun planning and saving for what we wanted, no PPL either in those days, if you wanted children you paid for them yourselves we did not expect the government and the tax payer to pay for them.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    3:32pm
    HERE ,HERE
    aquatrek
    4th Sep 2013
    12:12pm
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/full-ballot-to-magnify-front-parties-hunt-20130827-2sody.html
    cougar
    4th Sep 2013
    12:17pm
    At last, we will have decent government. Although, to give Julia her credit, she did get a lot of good proposals passed (Gonski etc). However, I am looking forward to a Fiscally responsible government. As a country we are in incredible debt due to Labor (who can't spell) giving, giving, giving. Do householders not have to budget? So should the people who are voted into power. Unfortunately, an apparently large amount of our population think they should get,get,get. I work hard (registered Nurse in an aged care facility), am not young, still have a mortgage. My taxes should be for....Health, Education, Defence and Communication (by that I mean roads, rail and suchlike). So I will welcome the Coalition when they win government.
    Misty
    4th Sep 2013
    11:46pm
    Cougar are you happy your taxes will help pay for millionare's PPL?, we will all have to pay for that in increased cost of living as the 3000 or so big business pass on the costs to us.
    dougie
    4th Sep 2013
    12:23pm
    Why are you so cruel? At least Abbott is a man of his word, not a man for the moment like Rudd. It may take some time but I believe that under Abbott the country will return to it's greatness. At least Rudd did not have the cameras following to church each Sunday, someone must have told him that his beliefs are personal and not to be shared with the electorate. Hope he loses his seat on Saturday.
    Wstaton
    4th Sep 2013
    12:55pm
    Hold on a minute, A man of his word! Where the heck has that been proven as he hasn't been in a position to exercise it yet. Wait until he gets in (if he does) and then decide.

    Uttering words that he is going to do this and going to do that is not what you can use to determine a man is of his word.

    How many times have we heard politicians say they are going to do something (or not) and as soon as they have got into power reneged.
    Michael
    4th Sep 2013
    3:02pm
    Abbott is going to create two million jobs! We are a population of aprox twenty-three million so there will be so many positions spare we will have to bump up our refugee intake. 8-)
    geomac
    4th Sep 2013
    4:01pm
    Michael
    Abbott is not going to create two million jobs . The Australian economy has created millions of jobs in the last six years and will create millions of jobs in the coming years , all going well . Abbott is making a statement of the bleeding obvious and he or someone else could take a trip to Mars and back and the people will leave and take on new jobs regardless . Abbott may as well say the sun will rise every day and expect anyone thinks he has a hand in it .
    MITZY
    4th Sep 2013
    5:38pm
    dougie: A man of his word!!! Just remember he hasn't "scripted and signed" anything yet and in his words: ..."unless it is scripted it doesn't mean anything.
    I see Hockey has reneged his t.v. engagement with Bowen this evening. He must be working very hard to get those costings done and dusted before they announce them tomorrow.
    jackeroo
    4th Sep 2013
    12:38pm
    I have been a staunch Labor supporter for 52 years. I cannot support a party who, with some 15,000nfamilies living rough in this country goes and commits to Aid to countries who despise us and we have to borrow this money to give to them? And doesn't anyone realise that these economic refugees who come in by boat are taking the place of real refugees languishing and dying in camps. Can someone explain why we have the highest carbon tax in the world when all around us are counties who pollute and De-forest their countries while at the same time holding out their hand for aid. All that is left for me to say is bye bye Labor and may you resurrect with people in the party who care.
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    12:43pm
    Well said jackeroo.
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    1:04pm
    This situation which was caused by Krudd, is why the poor pensioners of this country get nothing. The cupboard is dry. They made the country it is, but seem to be last on the list. I thought we preached a fair go. Agree with you jackeroo.
    dougie
    4th Sep 2013
    1:15pm
    Good on you Jackeroo, we need to ensure that in future the country is is the hands of the electorate not the Labor/ Union curmudgeon that we seem to have. How many Labor pollies have done anything but rip off union members and decide to do the same to our country. I was a union member for many years and when it came to the crunch to try to save my group of workers from a Labor Govt. staff reduction, I was told to look after it myself and to negotiate the best redundancy deal I could. This from the local organiser and you want people like him to run our counttry!
    dougie
    4th Sep 2013
    1:15pm
    Good on you Jackeroo, we need to ensure that in future the country is is the hands of the electorate not the Labor/ Union curmudgeon that we seem to have. How many Labor pollies have done anything but rip off union members and decide to do the same to our country. I was a union member for many years and when it came to the crunch to try to save my group of workers from a Labor Govt. staff reduction, I was told to look after it myself and to negotiate the best redundancy deal I could. This from the local organiser and you want people like him to run our counttry!
    dougie
    4th Sep 2013
    1:15pm
    Good on you Jackeroo, we need to ensure that in future the country is is the hands of the electorate not the Labor/ Union curmudgeon that we seem to have. How many Labor pollies have done anything but rip off union members and decide to do the same to our country. I was a union member for many years and when it came to the crunch to try to save my group of workers from a Labor Govt. staff reduction, I was told to look after it myself and to negotiate the best redundancy deal I could. This from the local organiser and you want people like him to run our counttry!
    MITZY
    4th Sep 2013
    6:11pm
    Jackeroo: Don't blame Labor for committing aid to other countries. It all started after WW2 because of the millions of refugees homeless etc. etc. etc. because of wars, as usual. And, ever since then, all governments of whatever persuasion who are part of the great big UNITED NATIONS have given aid and will continue to do so. However, the current Labor government has decreased aid to overseas countries some time ago and directed funds into the refugee programs in Oz. Do we have to do the same as other countries regarding carbon pricing/pollution etc. Can't we be a leader occasionally.

    There are lots of reasons for not casting a vote for either Labor or Liberal but I have always regarded it is better to vote for one or the other major party in the House of Reps. unless of course your local member has turned out to be absolutely useless for your electorate. I spend a considerable amount of time deciding on my Senate vote. Just remember the current Senate has got until 1st July next year to run its course and a promise by Mr. Abbott to abolish the carbon pricing in his first 100 days of office, if elected, will be blocked by the Greens and Labor. Whatever he does about putting the carbon price paperwork forward in the House of Reps for approval by the Senate, it would all have to be done under the current Senate to be in force by 1st July next year (start of new financial year). You know, it wouldn't really worry me very much at all who gets in on Saturday, I've been voting since the mid-1950's and I can't really say that whoever has been in charge of Oz has changed anything substantially for me or mine. Everything I own by myself today, and everything I owned with my husband of 47 years (who passed away 12 months ago) was bought and paid for with our own blood, sweat and tears.
    aquatrek
    4th Sep 2013
    12:42pm
    pls pls pls not another hung parliament - those so called independents getting stuff done just for their own areas - how traitorous when they were supposed to be governibg for the better of all - the lies in the failed deals like the pokies reform - a fiasco
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:20pm
    How could we stand being held to ransom by types like Windsor and Oakshot again. Where are these two, have they run a mile. Never again please.
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    12:57pm
    MYTH: The stimulus packages – which totaled a staggering $79.1 billion – were well spent.

    FACT: Can anyone really claim that ‘home insulation’ can restart an economy? Or that tearing down one school hall to build another boosts productivity? Examples of waste are endless: An outback school with one student is among nine tiny schools handed $2.25 million in federal grants to build new halls, libraries and classrooms, even though they face closure. Mulgildie State School west of Bundaberg received $250,000 to build a basic 60sq m shed, after receiving a $29,000 quote from a local shed builder for a similar structure. An undercover playground with concrete floors and no doors costs $1.8 million under the Rudd Government’s schools stimulus funding,
    geomac
    4th Sep 2013
    4:17pm
    Al
    Did you forget something because the Fact bit had fell short of providing a fact to refute what you assume is a myth . Did anyone say that home insulation alone would restart an economy ? well yes , you suggested it and then try to bring down your own suggestion . Then you go along to to suggest but cunningly not actually say that every school hall was demolished to build another . Apparently you must prefer a flag pole to genuine infrastructure . The schools infrastructure got a 97% approval rating for build , finance and satisfaction from the people who had a direct interest in it , parents , teachers , pupils and school heads . Did the opera House or the Snowy scheme achieve that level Al ? A raft of policies including the stimulus averted the worst affects of the GFC .
    Really if you are going to try and present a fact just do it and not a mish mash of manufactured or cherry picked/isolated things with no relevance to your assertion .
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:18pm
    Now I know how Krudd plundered the public purse. Just a liar and a thief.
    vindal
    4th Sep 2013
    12:57pm
    So because of foolish voters, we end up with Vladimir Putin's love child as our prime Minister. We will be the laughing stock of the Western World.
    Wstaton
    4th Sep 2013
    1:05pm
    Ha Vindal, Come to think of it this is what I have been thinking for a while with all his manly pursuits.
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    1:50pm
    What I long for is a PM who will concentrate on Australia and stop preaching to the rest of the world. We are irrelevant on the world stage but are becoming the target of hatred because of our grandstanding and interference in other countries.
    vindal
    4th Sep 2013
    1:08pm
    Yup, misogynist, homophobic, obsessed with fitness and a dangerous megalomanic.
    Incognito
    4th Sep 2013
    1:28pm
    May I add an enviromental destroyer and couldn't care less about people,he just wants his pension set up.
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    2:01pm
    Yep. They're Julia's words. Even her own mates deserted her and her vitriol.
    Luchar
    4th Sep 2013
    2:50pm
    Hi "vindal". I must have missed something. Could you please give me examples of Abbott's supposed misogyny, homophobia and megalomania? And Lord help us if it becomes an offence to keep fit. Were you aware, "vindal", that part of Abbott's fitness regime is his cycling which he often does to raise funds for charities? And are you aware that two of the charities he supports in his fundraising are the McGrath Foundation which supports breast cancer research, and a Women's Shelter in his electorate at Manly. What a poor excuse for a misogynist he is!!!
    geomac
    4th Sep 2013
    9:48pm
    Are you aware he has booked the govt for the polly pedal charity as official business , $345 a day . Vindal has good reason to have those views on Abbott . He has exhibited those traits since his early days , leopard and spots come to mind .
    Anonymous
    5th Sep 2013
    7:20am
    Good summation vindal. I would add pretender and liar.
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:15pm
    Vindal---- You would have to be joking, but that is not a very nice evalueation of Sir Keven Rudd (Mr. Sheen) I had no idea he was that bad.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    11:44am
    good gosh surfer, you have spell check on your computer use it
    Mausy
    4th Sep 2013
    1:10pm
    Kaye I couldn't agree with you more but I wonder why you bother writing an opinion piece at times. Honestly it is embarassing to read some of the comments people post. What sad bitter people they must be. Give an opinion but don't resort to vitriole and utter disrespect for other opinions. Keep up the good work Kaye!
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    1:34pm
    Yes. Keep it up kaye. I may not agree with most of what you say, but this is a good forum to express & read others opinions.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    1:49pm
    Agree with above. Kudos to you and team for the lack of heavy 'moderating' as exercised on other similar sites :D Enjoy the rest of your working day ;)
    Incognito
    4th Sep 2013
    1:27pm
    I am amazed that we are presuming Tony Abbott will win,the polls are only a tiny fraction of voters. All media has been biased too. No one is seeing the bigger picture. All this promise of funding this and that by TB where will it come from? He will make drastic cuts to those in need most. Half of his promises will not be fullfilled. And he has a hidden agenda which will see him support those who are all ready rich enough. He plans to destroy a lot of hard work that has been done to protect our environment and especially the Great Barrier Reef by allowing dredging,ports to be built in fragile enviroments and not to mention Coal Seam Gas which will pollute good farming land and our water resources. I will be in morning for the state of our welfare and environment. It will be a sad day. I cannot see how he will make things better for everyone,not possible,some of us will suffer more and I think it will be lower income earners for sure. Crime will rise because of this too. I just hope he doesn't get full control over the senate,this will be a nightmare.
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    1:40pm
    Oh dear musicveg, that is a terrible picture of doom & gloom you paint. True - I too am wary of what polls say. We are in hopeless debt & cuts will have to be made but the libs are the only ones who can get us out of this terrible mess we are in.
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    1:50pm
    At least the Libs won't be stealing out of the public purse.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    1:53pm
    No, no, NOOO !! I don't think we are in 'hopeless debt'. If I believed that I would be on the next flight to Indonesia and shopping around for a suitable boat trip ;) Just sayin'
    student
    4th Sep 2013
    4:04pm
    music.. it's always those who have the least that suffer. M/s. Gillard did a lot of good for pensioners and they still want more from the Mad Monk????? In their dreams.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    12:14pm
    you can not say much of importance surfer ,!!!!!!!
    Chris
    4th Sep 2013
    1:28pm
    NOT MUCH TO COMMENT ON; BUT I WILL SAY THIS:::::::: IF ABBOT GETS IN::::GOD HELP ALL OF US:::::JUST SAYING UGH BAD VIBES
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    1:36pm
    I would say God help us if he dose'nt. Ever heard of Keatings banana republic.
    aquatrek
    4th Sep 2013
    1:38pm
    now which god would that be ?
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    1:54pm
    Does it matter which one, which gender, where ever etc ??
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    1:54pm
    Does it matter which one, which gender, where ever etc ??
    aquatrek
    4th Sep 2013
    2:04pm
    sometimes
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    2:05pm
    You can deny God but you cannot make Him go away.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    2:19pm
    He will go, if She tells him to :D
    Michael
    4th Sep 2013
    3:07pm
    Aloysius, who said it was a Him?
    Wstaton
    4th Sep 2013
    3:30pm
    Men of course.
    student
    4th Sep 2013
    3:40pm
    Oh Michael, everyone knows God was a woman 'til She changed Her mind :)
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    3:42pm
    Michael - She did !!
    aquatrek
    4th Sep 2013
    3:53pm
    I told Him to 'get the hell outa here' and never seen hide nor hair of Him since.
    student
    4th Sep 2013
    3:58pm
    hey surfer, Keating's 'Banana Republic' has a AAA rating :)
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    3:59pm
    "I'm watching YOU" Oh, oh, run away, run away !!! :D
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:28pm
    Hey student----- It will go the same way Queensland did under labor. No rating and 80 billion in debt. Our poor state was destroyed till campbell newman came along and is doing what he can to save us. On a federal level we are swimming in debt thanks to Krudd. The AAA rating is a bit like the unemployment figures, all fudged. Our unemployment level is 10% and still getting worse. AAA be buggered. Do you still believe in the tooth fairy??
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    1:49pm
    What has Krudd done with all the billions???? The figures just do not add up, even allowing for the GFC. Where are all the tax paid dollars. They did teach us how to add up in the old days. I am flabergasted that the question is not asked by anyone. We are such a trusting lot. No wonder there is skullduggery. Is Craig Thompson driving a Rolls Royce??
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:30pm
    No one with the answer
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    12:26pm
    You don`t know anything surfer, thats the answer, has the sun shrunken your vital components, fried the circuits,, SOUNDS LIKE IT,
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    12:28pm
    Chris obviously doesnt have the answer
    Aloysius
    4th Sep 2013
    1:54pm
    MYTH: Labor is a “low taxing” government

    FACT: Labor has increased taxes a staggering forty three (http://www.joehockey.com/media/media-releases/details.aspx?r=326) times. That's right - forty three. Should we all be paying the price for their mistakes?
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:31pm
    Definately not. Be good when the unions have to pay tax. Can't wait for that one.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    12:36pm
    Tax IS already paid on that one ,its already here MORON
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    12:39pm
    derogatory name calling is against the forum rules - tut tut
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    1:58pm
    Roll up, Roll up (on Saturday!) There are Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics for one and all to enjoy !! Roll up, roll up ;)
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    2:00pm
    Yeah heyyybob, the chickens will all come home to roost. Don't eat the ones with hormones.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    2:21pm
    She's right Surfer. Having a little common sense and observing a certain amount of frugality over my (enjoyable) lifetime in and out of this GREAT country I still have a little 'cake' left to eat. *toddles off for a cuppa, cake, Bex and a good lie down (Nanna nap?).
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:34pm
    Thats the way heyyybob, go with the flow. The sun is still shining in Queensland. Costs nothing to go to the beach. Swills another iced water, burps and dives back into the waves.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    2:27pm
    OK, OK people. IF it all turns to Shite on Saturday could you help me out here ? I'm planning a 'boat trip' if it does, soooooo can all you wise, wise opinionated and oh so knowledgable ones give me the names of countries that I should ask my faithful Indonesian crew to steer for ? Gotta go and get packed and fight this depression that is overcoming me with every post I read :(
    aquatrek
    4th Sep 2013
    3:55pm
    Just steer straight for PNG and save everyone a lotta expense - bon voyage
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    4:02pm
    Still waiting for the great list of better countries. Obviously this place is ratshite according to pundits here :D Best part, thanks to Australia and it's opportunities I can afford the fare. Hah !!
    nightie
    4th Sep 2013
    2:34pm
    will kevin13 cry when he loses? The Labor party is in a mess I do not want them back in government. Kevin13 is not a Rhodes Scholar. He may be rich but who cares.
    surfer
    4th Sep 2013
    2:47pm
    Got his millions from his wife. He slept in a car remember. Woke up terrified.
    student
    4th Sep 2013
    3:53pm
    so Kevin didn't have a privileged upbringing?? His wife's fortune has nothing to do with the Labor Party.
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:38pm
    Came off a derelect farm. His wife seems to be always holding his hand so she must have joined up. Is he out kissing any babies today in the leed up to oblivian.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    12:34pm
    just goes to show; you don`t have to be a road (monk) Australia is a good country, and gives decent people a FAIR GO, and you should not be so insulting,( just because some people hang of shirttails) abbot)COME OFF A DERELICT FARM < HOW CONDESCENDING ARE YOU, Not everyone was born well to do,jealous of his wife`s money are you?? she bloody well worked for it
    Wstaton
    4th Sep 2013
    2:41pm
    Help
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:39pm
    Me to Tony.
    Hasbeen
    4th Sep 2013
    2:47pm
    What a nasty bit of stuff you are Kaye.

    The best thing is you will have to wait at least 3 terms before enough kids, who will not know how hopeless labor really are, get to voting age to get a look in again
    Jen
    4th Sep 2013
    3:20pm
    "What a nasty bit of stuff you are Kaye."

    Hasbeen???

    Pot...Kettle...Black...
    student
    4th Sep 2013
    3:49pm
    I'm with Jen. I read nothing 'nasty' in Kaye's post. as for 'pot ...etc, :) :) very sharp :)Jen. :)
    Michael
    4th Sep 2013
    5:56pm
    Hasbeen------------Isbeen, Shouldabeen more likely Wouldbe!
    Misty
    4th Sep 2013
    3:05pm
    As a Labor voter Kevin Rudd has to honour the people who vote for him and I have already voted for him and Labor policies, one of which is Carbon Pricing, so I will be very annoyed, as will all Labor voters if Labor votes in Parliament to rescind the Carbon Tax. Anyone who believes power prices will come down if the Carbon Tax goes has rocks in their head. Here in the Snowy Mountains you can see what Climate Change is doing, no rain, no snow, no jobs, get your heads out of the sand people and wake up before it is too late.
    aquatrek
    4th Sep 2013
    4:02pm
    aaaahhhh the Carbon Tax/Climate Change furphy. Nations and their respective politicians will NOT alter the fact that the climate continually changes. This could be the start of another 10+ year drought - you do remember water rewstrictions dont you - you know the Mackellar words dont you to a 'Sunburnt Country' - I sure hope that you do. Yet medium term predictions are for increased rainfall. Wake up or is the mist really thick where you are ?
    EELS
    4th Sep 2013
    4:27pm
    Misty, you made me crack up after your statement 'As a Labor voter Kevin Rudd has to honour the people who vote for him'.
    Where have you been for the last six years? That egotistical, pathological liar has not a vestige of honour in his whole body. He is purely there for Kevin Rudd and nobody else. He is devoid of any conscience and just pays lip service to the audience of the moment and when they are the party faithful they believe every word he says.
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:45pm
    Please Misty, I cannot stand any more pain, being in small business and watching good working families going to the wall. Get rid of this ridiculous carbon tax immediately. We became the laughing stock of the world at the price we have been paying. Are we complete drongos. Do you think anyone else takes any notice of us? We have no hope till that spendthrift Rudd and his useless mob get thrown out.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2013
    11:45pm
    No its not the mist I am worried about it is the increase in temperatures , don't you ever look at what temperatures the rest of Australia and the world are getting?, not normal aquatrek.
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    3:53pm
    Misty: come over to the 'climate change fraud' topic and there are links there to what has become quite the political farce: islands succumbing to rapidly rising seas = no, Antarctica land based glaciers melting fast = no, global temperatures have risen and are now stalling = yes, ocean temperatures have risen = yes, land ice sheets melting in the northern hemisphere = yes, some regions may be wetter and others drier = yes; note: the Thames froze over about the year 1500 as the northern hemisphere had a mini ice age = yes. Will the increase in atmospheric CO2 benefit plant growth = yes. It is a very complex science and it is being studied very hard every day. Unfortunately detailed records only go back about 150 years. Stay tuned.
    Min
    4th Sep 2013
    3:15pm
    I am surprised you are saying Abbott has won even BEFORE the election Kaye .

    I am sick of the Media "PUTTING IT OUT THERE" just to turn everyone into a mob of sheep but you are usually very fair. It is not the truth. The Polls are only ringing mobiles which are mostly under 35s. I know someone who has been ringing Rudds electorate independently and he states they are mostly voting for Rudd there even they whinge ...except for those that live in Yuppie land Bulimba. So don't believe the biased and negative press. The race is not over yet! Once upon a time not long ago (before Murdoch Press)... etc they always said the Polls were wrong and they were at Howards election and even Abbott has said he does not believe them.
    MITZY
    4th Sep 2013
    6:28pm
    Min: Go back to Kaye's post and click on the two items she said to read. There are graphs, years and years of pollings etc etc. I don't think a lot of the posters here read the suggested material before commenting.
    Distressed
    4th Sep 2013
    3:35pm
    Read the article by former National Bank Chairman in last weeks Weekend Australian and then you will understand how this once great Country is in a mess and I hope there is a Messiah out there. Interesting that Australia and China were never in trouble only Europe and United States yet we jumped on Board. I am voting Sex Party as they may as well get on Board and stuff this great Country
    student
    4th Sep 2013
    3:45pm
    they say you get the Government you deserve ..... Well I sure as heck don't deserve the Mad Monk. I deserve better.
    Michael
    4th Sep 2013
    6:00pm
    I'm with you Student, I think we all deserve better, even the non=believers!.How's that for being forgiving?
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    1:52pm
    What a disgusting way to talk about a great Australian. A man with guts and integrity. Helps others in need through his own unselfishness. A rhode scholar with ability and brains as well. How could you compare him with the other little weasel, running around worried if his wig is on straight. OZ's greatest liar. A self centred little creep. Just an apology of a man. Thank god Tony will win.
    Misty
    6th Sep 2013
    11:47pm
    Ditto.
    Sen.Cit.90
    4th Sep 2013
    4:00pm
    G'day all,
    I've not jumped to the conclusion yet that the LNP will win the election on the 7th. I'm sure that the LNP know who to choose to lead them. This election is to choose a Government not just a leader. My vote will be for the candidate of my choice for my constituency.
    particolor
    4th Sep 2013
    4:11pm
    I've already Written My letter for Canberra for 2 months after the election ...
    I was so thrilled with our recent Pension Uplift from Tony! I was trying to think of a suitable gift to thank him ? But the Museum wouldn't sell Me their Stuffed Raccoon !!!
    Distressed
    4th Sep 2013
    4:42pm
    The underlying theme is that a lot of people want something for nothing. Anyone can spend money and introduce a whole lot of "new spending" but not have the money to pay for it. Unfortunately Labour are spenders think Whitlam and Liberal are mean.Its about a balance.Turnbull has said if reelected there will be a Westminister system of Government where the Cabinet decides not a dictator ugh sorry Kev
    MITZY
    4th Sep 2013
    6:59pm
    Distressed: We already have a Westminster Government. Turnbull wont get much of a say if the Coalition is elected. I think the fact that all of the Shadow Cabinet have had to bite their tongues most of the time for the past three years we will soon see a surge of voices behaving demonstrably just like the current government. People don't really change, they can be subdued for a while, but eventually all hell breaks loose, you can't stop a bursting steaming kettle.
    Paddles
    4th Sep 2013
    4:46pm
    I wonder if all those people forecasting that our country will go down the crapper with the election of a LNP government could turn their prescient powers to giving us all a bit of a tip for Flemington, Randwick etc. Even the correct lotto numbers would do.

    Frankly, I stand in awe of them because, personally, I have always had to wait to see how it all plays out when we have a change of government. But then, I am a person of limited imagination who is hampered by an addiction to reality and demonstrable facts.
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    4:50pm
    Ah paddles. Love it. You are a breath of fresh air. Just a shame you support St George. lol
    MiningMagnet
    4th Sep 2013
    7:47pm
    If you're a St George supporter you certainly aren't addicted to reality
    I approached my accountant for next week's lotto numbers and the idiot knows nothing.....he said he would let me know next Sunday...and charged me his usual rate.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    10:40pm
    "Ooooooh Paddles (Muriel) you're terrible (so practical). Let's wait until they have finished in the laundry (on Saturday) Good thinking ;)
    neff
    4th Sep 2013
    4:47pm
    Despite our deficiencies Australia is still one of the best countries in the world to live in. I have done aid work in Central America, Central Europe, Haiti & in Africa. How people could contemplate leaving just because their favourite political party might not get in power is beyond me. This is a democracy - you can fight for what you believe in. That isnt allowed in a lot of countries.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    10:44pm
    Neff - what may drive me onto a slow boat to ...... (still waiting for recommended destinations) is the Doom, Despair & Despondency by all sides here. This despite my experience working for the poorest people in the Pacific and, at one time, the wealthiest people in the world, pro rata. I try to remember that this still IS a great democracy. I try, I really do ;)
    Colours
    4th Sep 2013
    5:54pm
    Tony - don't take it personally. Nobody voted FOR you. They just voted against the other (identical) party.
    MiningMagnet
    4th Sep 2013
    7:40pm
    He will take it personally and he will punish us...hahahahaha...he can have my house just leave the motorcycles...hahahaha
    I have a dream....that everyone votes against the two wombles presented for viewing and we end up with about 15 different groups all vying for a voice in govt
    Now that would be something to see.....talk about herding cats...
    Unfortunately, that would make Rupert vewwy, vewwy unhappy and he might have to punish Nick Minchin and Tony for not giving him the result he expended all those resources on....
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    10:46pm
    :D
    Michael
    4th Sep 2013
    6:03pm
    Colours, I think you hit the nail right on the head.
    Boof
    4th Sep 2013
    6:38pm
    Abbott is a goose. If a lot of you people think that the Government Really run the country, have a reality check. Gough Whitlam arranged a very cheap loan from the Saudi Arabs, when he was P.M. He wanted to do something ridiculous, like getting a fast rail up and running to connect all the Capitol Cities of Australia. How foolish. If any of you have travelled interstate by rail, well. The BANKERS and the WEALTHY businessmen said, "Strike Me lucky" this bloke has to go. He is borrowing money from overseas. We will lose out big time. Do you know that the project would have been up an running and the LOAN WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID BACK IN 1992. They idiots are saying now, that we should get a fast rail, connecting all the Capitol Cities of Australia. It can be ready by 2050. ( Of course at 1,190 times the amount that Gough would have paid.) Do you people really think that these Pollies are really trying tro do what is right for Australia or are they feathering their own pockets. ( And their silent mates.) Have a GUESS. GO ON
    Paddles
    4th Sep 2013
    9:40pm
    Boof

    First of all, allow me to congratulate you on your choice of name. It suits you!!!

    Your grasp of history leaves a lot to be desired as it was not E G Whitlam that tried to mortgage the farm in 1975(?), it was Rex Connor (who happened to be my local member) and the Saudis didn't come into the sorry affair. Connor's bagman was an unsavoury individual by the name of Tirath Khemlani and he was a Pakistani with alleged access to unidentified funds fro somewhere in the Middle East. All up, it had all the earmarks of a giant scam and old Rex bought it.

    From the point of those gross errors, it is not in anyone's interest to read any more of your twaddle and it speaks to your assessment of Tony Abbott as a "GOOSE"
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    2:04pm
    So if Tony Abbott is a goose, I am sure he will lay a golden egg given a few years to pay off the turkeys debt. Only thing coming from the turkey is crap.
    Boof
    4th Sep 2013
    6:46pm
    Just something on the side. I was watching the news where an Arab, big fat, MUSLIM, punched a bloke in the head, on camera and done a fair bit of damage. He went to court this morning in Bankstown. The weak, lilly, livererd Magistrate, let him off with a warning and a 2 month good behaviour bond. Get rid of these Magistrates. JUSTICE IS A JOKE. He, the defendant was asked on the Ch. nine news, whther he would opoligise to the victim. He said, " No way" I think the big fat lazy bastard was going to hit the bloke who asked him, on air.
    Foxy
    5th Sep 2013
    11:31am
    ...saw that Boof - I totally agree with you - the sentencing (or lack of) was disgusting! Bet the Muslim was on Centrelink as well........ ??
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    2:07pm
    That fat lazy muslim needed a toe up the date and time in the slammer. I hope Tony does something about our pathetic justice system. Have we run out of jails?
    Figtree
    4th Sep 2013
    7:24pm
    Its only three years, plenty of time to sit on their hands (learned from Howard), tighten everyone's belt, put your money into consolidated revenue and tell how good you should feel for them not spending your money on the Nation's necessities. Good luck all, just like 50's, boys can go to school without shoes, real status symbol.
    Paddles
    4th Sep 2013
    9:44pm
    Figtree

    I went to school unshod and, like most of my peers, with the arse out of my pants but, as it turned out, my old-fashioned values got me through to what is now a pretty comfortable retirement.
    particolor
    4th Sep 2013
    7:35pm
    Stay out of PUNCHbowl !!
    Misty
    4th Sep 2013
    8:50pm
    A comment on "The Conversation" said a new survey showed that the cost of living under this Labor Government was the lowest in 25 years, Google it if you don't believe me.
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    2:12pm
    Phew -- Petrol, meat, groceries electricity, water etc. Amazing. House prices are the only thing I know that have been destroyed. Everything else just goes up and up. Did Labor do the survey??
    Michael
    4th Sep 2013
    9:56pm
    Just to drop the politics for a moment but it was my understanding that the phrase was " a shoe in" rather than a ''shoo in" ?
    MiningMagnet
    5th Sep 2013
    12:14am
    Correct Michael - must remember they are only ignorant journo's writing this stuff...hahahahahah
    Kaye Fallick
    6th Sep 2013
    6:40pm
    For those interested in 'shoo-in', see
    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=shoo
    Ignorant? perhaps, but we seem to have spelt correctly :-)
    JJ
    4th Sep 2013
    10:29pm
    I don't really want to see Tony as Prime Minister, but all the same I would hate to see the Labor Opposition voting everything down just out of spite, or sour grapes. That would put them in the same miserable category that the LNP have been in for the past three years. And I also don't believe the Labor government has been as incompetant as painted.
    geomac
    4th Sep 2013
    10:38pm
    What speech Rudd should make according to Guy Rundle .
    “We are in this to win but the polls say we will most likely lose. Mr Abbott in presenting his case to the Australian people will, if he wins, have committed to Gonski, to the National Disability Insurance Scheme, to the National Broadband Network, to Fair Work, to some action on climate change, he has renounced any action against abortion or other parts of the ‘culture wars’. I want the Australian people to remember this, and remember this well: that is the deal he has proposed. There is no black hole, everything is on the table. If he steps back from these commitments?—?commitments to a program Labor has originated?—?then he has lied to the Australian people, lied fundamentally, and in a way no other leadership contender has ever done. Should he go back on this slate of commitments, he will have no legitimacy, and the Australian people should regard his government in that regard.”
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    10:52pm
    Wouldn't that be a bitch 'geomac' :D Let's wait and see, won't be long now. HoHoHo.
    heyyybob
    4th Sep 2013
    10:52pm
    Wouldn't that be a bitch 'geomac' :D Let's wait and see, won't be long now. HoHoHo.
    Nightshade
    5th Sep 2013
    3:54am
    "our political culture" you say
    Wow man !
    Is that what it is.
    It smells like old cheese.
    Oops, that could be a compliment - Not the yummy stuff we eat, hey !
    Maybe it's best to describe it as a smelly old sock.

    Kevin Rudd does not look well to me.
    He looks like he is in a state of distress, health wise.
    I hope that there is a doctor traveling with him.
    We don't want him to go like David Frost.
    I may be wrong - but I suspect that it was not correct for Our Kevin to become leader of the Labor Party at any time, due to poor health.
    There was tax payer money poured down the drain.

    I believe that this particular style of shindig has had it's day & thank God & Amen.
    I feel that, not only Australia, but the whole planet has had more than enough of the James Bond style - pip, pip there, old boy & all that mentality right up to it's eye balls.

    The pompous ignoramii that rule the world even today, in the days of yore style are cursed for their negligent, murderous, destructive, self serving greed.
    The people that have been slaughtered & are still being slaughtered today in the name of what I wonder.
    And the pollution strewn form one end of this planet to the other.

    We talk about Nazi Germany, the precursor to the concentration camps of Nazi Germany was -
    The German Born King Leopold of Belgium & his 68 year killing spree in CONGO.
    They say King Leopold did it, but what about the BANKS WHO FUNDED & SUPPORTED THE VENTURE & THE MERCHANTS WHO ALSO WALLOWED IN THE BLOOD OF THEIR SLAVES.
    Have a little read & see what the pigs did.

    Tony Abbot is like a relic on the mantel piece old, dusty, out of style & out of step.
    He won't last long.
    He also does not look like the picture of health to me. Maybe we could have the even older Malcolm Turnball or is it BULL instead. You know the one who looks years younger than he is ( they call it mutton dressed up as lamb, don't they !)
    The girls & boys at the beauty parlor had their work cut out for them - full marks on the result.

    Go figure.
    Nightshade
    5th Sep 2013
    4:12am
    The murderous German born King Leopold of Belgium is of the same BLOOD LINE as Our Queen LIZ & her HUSBAND Prince Phillip, who would come back as a virus so as to wipe us all out.
    Die HRH Phillip & lead us by your self sacrificing example man !
    Nightshade
    5th Sep 2013
    4:27am
    Forgive me for this but I must.
    I don't feel particularly well this morning , in fact I feel quite wretched & therefore a bit vicious.

    According to Our Julia Gillard
    The future king of Britain
    And our beloved nation for which we pay rent because it is in fact crown land.
    WILL BE
    ANNOUNCED OUR JULIA GILLARD PROUDLY WHEN SHE WAS P.M. & HE CAME TO VISIT
    SQUIRREL FACE CHARLIE.
    HOW ABOUT THAT
    Michael
    5th Sep 2013
    7:26am
    Night-Night Nightshade!

    5th Sep 2013
    8:16am
    Well it's not over till the fat lady sings but if the LNP do win government I will expect the Labor opposition to debate against and vote against bad policies. I don't consider it 'revenge' to fight against repealing the carbon tax, mining super profits tax, replacing the NBN with an inferior system etc. I hope they become a really effective, sharp, focused opposition that, with help from the Greens will fight tooth and nail against all hairbrained LNP policy.
    Michael
    5th Sep 2013
    8:26am
    Now there's a happy thought, Rubiconda. Lets hope for a parliament with less fighting and a little more commonsense, irrespective of which party wins government.
    Misty
    5th Sep 2013
    10:07am
    Ditto to all of the above, give Liberal Coalition a taste of their own medicine and let them see how it feels to get everything blocked.
    heyyybob
    5th Sep 2013
    8:51am
    Two days to go ! Enjoy it all and good luck for your preferences on Saturday :D
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    2:23pm
    That senate paper got me very confused when I did a postal vote. There were 82 names altogether. Now I could have voted for Lib/Nats at the top with one stroke of a pen. But no, I could not resist marking them from 1 to 82. Now I had never heard of any of these learned entrants. Sex parties and the likes. No wonder krudd is not looking well. A tree huggers party etc etc. So I started with no.82 being labor and worked my way backwards till I git to No.1 Liberals. What an idiotic waste of my time and money. Any suggestions!
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    6:20am
    Good on you surfer for voting below the line, I did too. Here's a suggestion. Research all the parties on google (very educative) and then work out your order of preference before you vote. Easy peasy!
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    9:59am
    Thank you Robiconda, I will google all those would be senators. But don't you think the system has all gone mad.
    retroy
    6th Sep 2013
    12:48pm
    A good effort Surfer, but above the line for me and Saturday evening will be sweet.
    Roast for dinner, fitting, I thought.
    It will go well with the roasting of labor
    retroy
    6th Sep 2013
    12:48pm
    A good effort Surfer, but above the line for me and Saturday evening will be sweet.
    Roast for dinner, fitting, I thought.
    It will go well with the roasting of labor
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    2:42pm
    Well Retroy, It will be celebrations all round. Can't wait. No more worries.
    unicorn
    5th Sep 2013
    9:38am
    All I can say is HELPPPP!!!!!
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    2:24pm
    Tony save me!!!
    toot2000
    5th Sep 2013
    10:21am
    I hope Rudd loses his seat, then we will be rid of him forever.
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    2:26pm
    Nothing I would like more
    Chris
    8th Sep 2013
    1:08pm
    hey guess what, hahaha
    Pommy
    5th Sep 2013
    11:03am
    I'm with you Toot, Rudd was prepared to destroy the Labor Party in this desperation to regain the Prime Minister's position. Half the front bench resigned rather than work with him, which says it all really.

    I would also like to reminder people why the Opposition is called "opposition" - it's supposed to keep the Government honest. In that respect the LNP didn't do such a great job in curbing the corruption which seemed to be endemic in the current Labor Party.
    aquatrek
    5th Sep 2013
    11:51am
    people dont 'advertise' being corrupt - it has to be 'discovered' not 'curbed' by the opposition
    geomac
    5th Sep 2013
    12:02pm
    Things like the 300 million AWB scandal can be hard to find out about and appear legal .
    aquatrek
    5th Sep 2013
    2:11pm
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/gillards-law-firm-files-seized-as-police-investigate-awu-slush-fund/story-fn6tcxar-1226709397416
    The Australian September 03, 2013 12:00AM
    Gillard's law firm files seized as police investigate AWU 'slush fund'
    geomac
    5th Sep 2013
    7:24pm
    Aqua
    So you connect a factual 300 million bribery event with govt ministers involvement to a non govt legal firm that despite investigations has not been proven of any wrong doing . Talk about a long bow .
    Wstaton
    5th Sep 2013
    1:05pm
    Right this is it folks, (damn sounding like K. Rudd).

    Us seniors need to get into this politicking business to stop this playing about with us.

    Today it has been revealed that 2 million postal voters have been disenfranchised from knowing what the oppositions costings are and have to vote without knowing. Today is the last day for receiving postal votes (which would have had to have been posted before today).

    Lets put aside who we vote for and get this fixed.

    I suggest the following gets put into our constitution. (not legislated into law as this can be overturned by a government) This means a referendum.

    1. The current party in power has to set a date not later than 60days and not earlier than 90 days from the end of their term.
    2. At the time of calling full financial state of the country has to be published fully vetted by the appropriate authority.
    3. All policy decisions and costings to be publish not later than one week from the voting day.

    These requirements need to be put into place to stop these politicians treating us like children and idiots. Considering they are acting like children I think this is a cheek. This issuing the costings for example one side issuing the the day before the other two days.

    Liberals defense is well they issued them the day before. This reminds me of the kids playground at school when a teach breaks up a fight and each kid is saying "well he hit me first".

    So how can we bring this about?

    We seniors are a power in this country, unfortunately we do not use it. Most of us vote blindly, one way or the other, either because we have always voted for one party or because we can't see which one is the best for us so we virtually flip a coin.

    True we would like to vote for a party that has some sort of policy than will make some sort of improvement on our seniors lives. In the latest fight which party as mentioned anything about helping seniors. Dammit we are a significant part of the population of Australia yet are being ignored.

    let us all join the seniors party and as a condition of joining this party it has as one of the main policies the above.
    Put aside all our political differences in order to get this through and bring some order to our voting system and force these "youngsters" to take some responsibility for their actions. If they want to act like kids they should be treated like kids just like many of us brought up our own kids.

    More suggestions for other items to add are welcome.
    Paddles
    5th Sep 2013
    4:45pm
    Wstaton

    "1. The current party in power has to set a date not later than 60days and not earlier than 90 days from the end of their term.'

    Sorry pal, after several readings this still seems to be an oxymoron or at least a contradiction in terms. I would appreciate clarification.
    Wstaton
    5th Sep 2013
    5:02pm
    hhmm, Sorry about that. What I should have said is that they have to make the announcement of the date of the election 60 to 90 days before the election. Not before and not after. This prevents them from the current government from setting a date at the last minute thus stopping an opposition from winging about the lack of time to put together costings.
    geomac
    5th Sep 2013
    1:43pm
    But where Labor has been less successful is in maintaining the Howard government’s strong participation growth, particularly among men, which appears to have peaked despite extensive participation-boosting efforts from Labor. Overall, however, Labor’s Fair Work Act has delivered a reversal of the recent decline in Australian labour productivity, with yesterday’s national accounts showing labour productivity growth for nine straight quarters, in stark contrast to declines or flat productivity under WorkChoices.

    It has also delivered wage moderation outside those sectors where businesses were falling over themselves to poach staff from a limited talent pool. This week's national accounts told us that real unit labour costs fell 0.1% in the year to June and are now 4% under the pre-GFC level. And contrary to arguments that Labor was too friendly to unions at the expense of business, the wages share of national income reached a 50-year-plus low in 2011.
    Just wanted to share with Aloysius . Fact as in fact instead of fiction .
    dougie
    5th Sep 2013
    2:56pm
    After skimming through many of the erudite comments made by the great arbiters of wisdom and knowledge of all things political and economic government I looked to the heavens to understand such stupid remarks. The answer came in a blinding flash " there is a full moon due".
    Now I can excuse all of the mean spirited comments as I see the reason.
    Wstaton
    5th Sep 2013
    3:06pm
    well said Dougie
    Chris
    5th Sep 2013
    3:30pm
    My goodness people,we all have our own political views,people get so nasty, you know I was always taught never talk religion or politics, because it nay only cause arguments , we all have our own views, as I said, if you need to state them , state them but don`t be rude. I am quite adamant about whom I wish for PM, but I will not be rude about it,if you feel the need to be rude or degrading of other peoples views and opinions, well then we must feel sorry for you, that you cannot articulate your opinions well
    toot2000
    5th Sep 2013
    4:00pm
    You sound like a member of some weird cult like the Exclusive Bretheren, not voting in general elections is positively weird.

    5th Sep 2013
    4:16pm
    VOTE, VOTE, VOTE ?

    He supports the Liberals
    But you, the ALP
    Others trust The Call to Aust.
    Or back the NDP.

    Even in the church they cry
    'Vote on polling day
    pick someone as leader;
    and you can have YOUR say.'

    I'd rather not, is my reply
    I dare not vote you see;
    Should I reject the Lord -
    be yoked politicly ?'

    Well, that's my explanation
    'Yeshua is Lord' I quote
    But if you love the world;
    You better Vote, Vote, Vote.

    1 Samuel 8

    5th Sep 2013
    4:17pm
    THEOCRACY PREFERRED

    Socialism is not of God
    Neither Democracy
    Nor all the other ( isms )
    God rule I want for me.

    Left wing and the right
    All those factions too;
    None can agree at all
    And each of them want you !

    History does repeat itself
    Australia is in a mess
    God's people should not vote;
    But pray - their sin confess.

    'Give us a King' was the cry
    I found in Scripture's page
    'Someone that we can see'
    But God we disparage.

    When Cristians find I don't vote
    Some say to me, 'You're lazy'
    But I suffer from a rare disease
    I call it 'Theo - crazy'

    1 Samuel 8:5-20
    MiningMagnet
    5th Sep 2013
    7:35pm
    PIXAPD ...any info to discuss the following excerpts from the Bible
    Leviticus 27 I believe it is
    27:3 And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary.
    27:4 And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels.
    27:5 And if it be from five years old even unto twenty years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male twenty shekels, and for the female ten shekels.
    27:6 And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver.
    27:7 And if it be from sixty years old and above; if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels

    Given that the Word assigns no value to babies less than a month old, do you get them for free when you buy the mother as a slave and is that why female slaves should be so much cheaper than male slaves ?
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    8:17am
    Good point Mining Magnet. Female slaves are much better value than male slaves. The bible tells us though that we are not allowed to buy them from our own neighbourhood so I source mine from Tasmania.

    PIXAPD,
    So good to know that "Theo-crazy " is a rare disease.
    Chris
    5th Sep 2013
    4:45pm
    and so I say to Surfer :"Go AND SURF":
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    7:21pm
    Now now Chris, you have to respect the view of others. I thought that was your philosophy. I like natural things like the waves and the wind.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    11:09am
    all I said was go and surf......tut tut tut..... conscious conscious, go be natural
    Wstaton
    5th Sep 2013
    6:10pm
    Well we see that one area Libs are going to cut is regional infrastructure. Wonder how the Nationals are going to explain that.

    Once again we in the country get gut slashed in favor of the metros whose infrastucture spending is going to be increased.
    Chris
    5th Sep 2013
    6:14pm
    My goodness surfer,you really maybe have to come out of the surf,been there to long,
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    7:30pm
    Me thinks you need to come out of the closet Chris. What a weird reaction to a normal email. Perhaps a good scrub in the surf would help your condition.
    aquatrek
    5th Sep 2013
    8:13pm
    wish I could still surf - tried a few years ago and my buddy and I nearly karked it from the exertion hahahaha but who knows - maybe next year
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    9:34am
    Surf will be up after Tony gets in. Good to see you up in QLD next year.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    11:10am
    I am, whats your excuse
    Chris
    5th Sep 2013
    7:30pm
    really surfer, your very wrong
    surfer
    5th Sep 2013
    7:32pm
    I don't think so Chris. Better get PIXAPD to save you.
    particolor
    5th Sep 2013
    8:15pm
    Skuse Me for interfering in this Private Boys Club,but will I be Fined if I Pray instead of Voting ?? ..
    I dont like any of the Money hungry Ciggy taxing fools !! Wont it be Funny if Tony loses his seat and goes and has a Beer with Johnny Never Never GST ??
    I'm gunna vote for Mr Palmer?? ..I might get a $150 pay rise ?? Haw Haw Haw Haw..BYE !
    Chris
    5th Sep 2013
    8:58pm
    yes, how right you are, but you know what even IF I was a Male, I would NOT be in any club with stupidity, private or otherwise Good night
    MiningMagnet
    7th Sep 2013
    9:28pm
    Prayer will probably make us much difference to our collective quality of life as continuing to vote the various wombles on offer in and out of parliament
    One of the posters tells me the Libs have been in power twice as often as the Labs and so clearly they bear most responsibility for our situation.
    particolor
    5th Sep 2013
    8:18pm
    PS.. I heard that !!!
    particolor
    5th Sep 2013
    8:19pm
    PSS.. Surfer !
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    9:32am
    You could sail away to PNG on the Palmers Titanic. After all the doom and gloom I might come to.
    Michael
    6th Sep 2013
    1:12pm
    Tempted to say it's about time, Surfer, that you came to. But I won't!
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    2:45pm
    Wow, Don't think I would be safe with you. Seems we beg to differ.
    jackeroo
    5th Sep 2013
    9:33pm
    Dear Egyptian, I was one of the countless millions after WW2 who came to this country (invited). We all worked hard at whatever jobs we were told to do. We did not protest or carry signs like "behead the unbelievers, .on the contrary-we were too busy earning a living. As to channeling funds into refugees in the country, well I live next door to one the houses under this program. As a pensioner I can only dream of getting what they are given (it almost makes me want to fly to Indonesia and join the next boat). There is a lot I could say but I will leave it for the next election to do this. By the ever heard of "Charity begins at home"?
    geomac
    5th Sep 2013
    10:32pm
    Jackeroo
    When you say invited what do you mean ? I know of immigrants who came here after the war and had a two year work job lined up as a condition of passage to Australia . Does invited mean paying 10 quid as part of Australia's push to boost our population ?
    You " almost " considered going to Indonesia to then travel on a dodgy boat and maybe drown to come back here on Newstart . Seriously ? The pension is 200 bucks better than Newstart and those on Visas get 89% of Newstart .
    As an aside did you work as a jackeroo ? Not being anything but curious in regard to your moniker . Mine is combination of first and last name .
    Chris
    5th Sep 2013
    10:26pm
    I understand how you feel I had lots of friends come over in the 60`s and they worked for everything they got, unfortunately it is not JUST Australian Government doing things like this , I have friends in England and America and they have the same dilemma . In 1951 (post ww11) the countries of the free world signed an agreement, which hence, began as the U.N, The U.N. head office now dictates to these countries ( the ones who signed the agreement) how we establish these refugee`s, and how many we should take, the same goes for every country that signed said agreement USA England, Sweden, France too many to name,I think this is wrong, we are talking a long time ago and things change, at the time we were a very young country and could cope with the situation now days , with our aging population ( I am one of them) it is harder, and yes charity does begin at home, its time things were revised , because countries are bound by an outdated contract, (no contract in Legal history lasts that long) I really don`t see the point in blaming the Government for this, especially when we look at the world, they are all killing each other and personally I don`t think my children or Grandchildren should have to suffer because of the Idiots in the world sorry to say ,abbot is one of them, to be a decent person, you don`t have to be a road scholar, just a decent person with integrity,
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    9:28am
    A decent person with integrity is exactly what Tony Abbott is. Go back to Pommie land. You seem to be ignorant of politics here.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    12:49pm
    on the contrary, to both summernations
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:39pm
    OK Point taken
    toot2000
    6th Sep 2013
    7:53am
    Tony Abbott has promised to cut foreign aid - at last someone has seen the light - that charity begins at home. We are finally going to get some aid money spend on us and it's about time!
    Wstaton
    6th Sep 2013
    8:12am
    Don't think so. Give to some who don't need it and taketh away from those who do methinks.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    8:26am
    Exactly how are they going to spend the foreign aid money on us toot2000?
    Maybe it will help pay for new Paid Parental Leave scheme?
    Abby
    6th Sep 2013
    8:33am
    Unfortunately instead of spending the money on the much needed infrastructure a lot of the money is going to be spent on interest paying the massive debt Labor has created. If the interest goes up and China slows down
    we will wind up in the same position as Greece and Spain.

    A lot of the Third World countries have better infrastructure than Australia.
    toot2000
    6th Sep 2013
    8:49am
    Robiconda, if you don't know what the opposition is going to spend the foreign aid money on here in Oz, you are not keeping up with what's going on, do some research and you'll find out.
    Wstaton
    6th Sep 2013
    8:53am
    yes a lot of third world countries have. All the infrastructure that the Liberals can think of is roads. Nothing on trains which would not only help to reduce our carbon footprint but would make roads that they are proposing unnecessary.

    All these extra roads will only put more cars on them and in a few years time we will be back where we were. Gridlock. Expenditure on public transport attacks the core problem, to many cars on the roads why? because of inadequate public transport.

    Liberals as I have already said are also giving to those who don't need it and taking away from those who do. i.e. Low income super contribution, School bonus etc.
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    9:25am
    If Tony did not have to pay out interest on the huge debt caused by Krudd, ( 10 billion a year) there would be lots of cash to splash on foreign aid, pensioners, and the upgrade of all our road systems.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    9:42am
    Toot2000,
    Well I do know that some of the money is going to be spent on buying Indonesian boats. I wonder what we'll do with all those boats?
    aquatrek
    6th Sep 2013
    9:50am
    Does anyone on here have civil engineering [roads, rail included] know how ?
    Countries that have long distances like Chile have closed the rail systems in favour of road carrying diesel buses and trucks. Rail infrastructure costs probably far outweigh road construction. Rail is fixed and awkward to expand or upgrade. On the other hand roads can be more easily upgraded and allow links to say another new town. Roads also provide routes for a variety of traffic types. Just a thought as to why the coalition would favour roads.
    Jen
    6th Sep 2013
    9:57am
    Abbey, that massive debt (which in reality isn't massive at all for a wealthy country - it's resolvable in a few years) saved us from the appalling effects of the GFC which created such havoc in other countries. Fiscally, we're among the best-off nations in the world.
    Wstaton
    6th Sep 2013
    10:50am
    I do not think we are talking about national railways. There is no gridlock on national roads. Comparing Chile with Australia is like camparing apples with oranges. Chile has only one City over a million people Santiago which has 5 million the next has about 600 thousand the next around 300 thousand.. Is also only about 100km wide at is widest point.

    It's the railway infrastructure in the cities that that is the concern.

    Appart from this look at the Metro system Santiago is has built and is continuing to build.

    http://metrosantiago2018.blogspot.com.au/

    Notice that it is not centric. It surrounds the city. Also notice the line that goes straight through the city (the one that the libs put on backburner because of the east/west road link) that everyone says is a higher priority.

    What have we got rail lines that virtually all go to the city centre.
    aquatrek
    6th Sep 2013
    11:10am
    W: I didnt put the ideas there for an argument - Santiago has 6 M population and Sydney has 4.6 M and who ever designed the rail network in the early 1900's used a centralized approach. The main NSW road network is similar in that the routes lead directly into population centres. Over the years many bypasses have been built to avoid centralized congestion.

    Federal govts put monies into federal infrastructure and also in part to state infrastructure. I listened to Abbots roadways speech and there were specific regional aspects such as the Pacific highway from NSW into Qld. On the other hand the ALP are promoting a high speed rail to Canberra yet that is not a heavily trafficked route.

    The key question was does anyone have experience in the costs of rail versus roads.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    1:42pm
    We won't need rail or roads. We'll have boats - 2 or more for each of us :)
    Aloysius
    6th Sep 2013
    3:41pm
    My recollection of transport economics (studied over 40 years ago) suggests that it depends on the type of freight. Bulk = ship, heavy = rail; light = road. Rail is great but you need trucks at each end.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2013
    3:38pm
    Abby, what infrastructure did the Liberal government build during their 11 years in government, can you tell me that please?.
    Wstaton
    6th Sep 2013
    8:58am
    Just head on TV taking away the 15% tax exemption from low income earners (retrespective)

    The answer from the libs is that this is the pain some people have to have for us to fix the problems. Give me a break $75,000 PPL why aren't they part of the pain.
    toot2000
    6th Sep 2013
    9:05am
    Just another thought, did you know that the money we give away in aid is borrowed money and we all know if we borrow money, we have to pay interest. This Labor government has left this country in such a financial mess, it's absolutely disgusting.
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    9:11am
    Fully agree Toot2000. It will be great to have a leader that we can trust and rely on and one that has his priorities right. Our foreign aid money has been more than spent chasing illegal boat people. Over a billion dollars. We have to pay off our debts, and only Tony will do this.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    9:56am
    How are we going to source the money to buy all the Indonesian boats? And how are we going to source the money to maintain all those boats? And what are we going to do with all those boats?
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    10:11am
    Money to buy some indonesian boats (not many) will come from the 12 million each boatload of illegals costs us. With 50,000 arriving here under krudd, that would buy up the whole Indonesian fleet. Boat people would then have to catch a plane.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    1:59pm
    Not many? How many? Won't we need them all to make sure no boat can be used for smuggling? And why will we need any since Morrison is going to make sure none of us will find out if a boat arrives in the future?
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    2:13pm
    Robiconda, They will only buy the ones suitable and capable of getting to our fair shore and able to carry over 100 desperates. You could hardly take to the high seas in a canoe, dingy small other boat or one not fitted out to carry lots of illegals. Australia is entitled to control and protect our borders like any other country. Surely we all want that. Try landing in Japan or China or Russia and you would get a right royal welcome, especially after you threw all your identity papers over board. What do you think would happen if you tried to land in USA. I had a hard enough time getting through with all my necessary paper work. Perhaps we should shoot a few smugglers.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2013
    12:12am
    What do you mean Surfer?, not many boats?, 750,000 apparently in the archipelago, and if the people smugglers are making $1,000,000 per boat journey ( at least some are ) they will want that amount for each boat and just imagine how many more boats that money will buy them, the mind boggles at the thought.
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:45pm
    Now now Misty -- I can see you are being silly. Mad Monday was a few days back. You have'nt been on the magic mushrooms have you???
    Bebejayne
    6th Sep 2013
    10:49am
    I made a comment yest - can't find, but think I left out a detail - Abbott said an ex-prienst was a 'beacon of humanilty' - this ex- priest was 'defrocked' because he was a paedophile - Abbott admires this sort of person???????????
    No matter how many boats he intends to buy - there will always be more, people smugglers will find a way to make a profit out of this easily - complete waste of money
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    10:57am
    While I am amazed that Tony Abbott likes paedophiles as I don't think that is right with types like Rolf Harris and some other entertainers, I think your statement must be confused. However re the boats that have arrived here during Krudds reign with 50,000 illegals careering around, and each boat costing us 12 Million dollars, the answer is simple. Tony will stop them whatever it takes. We could hardly carry on under Rudds scheme could we. Rudd has been solely responsible for this fiasco.
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    11:00am
    The catholic church is riddled with paedophiles and always has been. Must be something missing with them and they keep popping up. Don't connect Tony with it.
    Chris
    6th Sep 2013
    11:02am
    surfer you are wrong on so many counts, you do NOT know that Jackaroo or myself are Pommies,you have no answer for an intelligent conversation/opinion, for your information, I was born in this country as were 6 generations of my family, unlike some people(abbot) you sound like you are Australian, so please when you place a comment please refrain from such negativity and say something worthwhile and worth reading, I at least do read articles that I comment about, the most I said to you Was "Go back to the surf" or "maybe the salt water has been too much" you should not criticize / be absolutely degrading to other opinions, and the comment I made IS FACTUAL
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    11:09am
    Are you spreading more lies and insults Chris. You seem to be an authority on everything.. I have never mentioned Jackeroo except to agree with him/her. So what are you on about???? I have not found anything you have written to be worth reading, and if you are a labor stooge, I understand your problem. You will settle down after tomorrow.
    geomac
    6th Sep 2013
    12:48pm
    surfer
    No wonder you admire Abbott . You demonstrate the same crass rudeness as your idol and as little knowledge . Abbo was born in the UK and did offer a reference to the court noting the high character of a ped priest . If anyone is a political stooge it would appear you fit the bill with so many posts of biased barracking for abbo while offering inane posts bagging people who do not agree .
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    2:34pm
    You Geomac seem to be more attracted to a type like Krudd after all the damage he has done to Australia in general. Julia Gillard was streets ahead of him. However Abbott is a real man of principle and honesty as is shown by the way he helps others in his spare time. I cannot help that fact, but don't like liars. So I don't care what you think.
    geomac
    6th Sep 2013
    3:34pm
    Surfer are you serious ? Abbott a person of principle is like saying Stalin was a benevolent dictator . Both Rudd and Abbott are flakes and neither has integrity or honesty . You don't like liars yet fawn over Abbott . I take it you did not see Abbo caught out lying to Tony jones on Lateline in regard to meetings with Pell ? You must have missed his declaration not to believe anything he says that is not scripted . Then a short time later gets caught out lying from a script . Like I said two flakes , rudd and Abbott .
    Jen
    6th Sep 2013
    3:43pm
    And now, when it's too late to debate it, Surfer's "real man" is cutting billions in aid. One of best economies in the world cutting aid to the poorest of the poor. "I'm right Jack!" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=I'm%20all%20right%20Jack!
    Aloysius
    6th Sep 2013
    4:17pm
    borrowing money to give it away is not so smart.
    Chris
    6th Sep 2013
    1:14pm
    thank you geomac, I did not mention Liberal/Labor, just that Abbot was not born here, oh well, and you know what I think Liberal would be a lot better under Malcolm Turnbull, that is all I am saying
    Chris
    6th Sep 2013
    1:21pm
    BY the way surfer I never, ever thought I was an authority on anything, just sayin what I`d READ about the UN, Tony Abbots birth country, and that I am 6th generation Australian, ALL true, that is not lies or insults, "Whinging Pommies" go back to where you come from ????
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    2:26pm
    Please Chris, Take it easy, and remember we live in a democracy. You are not always right you know. Most Aussies are going to vote for Tony. What does that tell you? Surely you can work that out. Just relax and go with the flow. Beautiful day in Queensland.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    1:48pm
    I am waiting to see the votes, but I will say again ALL TRUE, can you trace your lineage back,No I am no always right I know that,(at least I admit it)you seem to take such JOY in being NASTY, problems in paradise??
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:50pm
    Yeah Chris, My lineage came out her in chains. Lucky they were all good workers so were able to do well for themselves. They did'nt go round moaning and expecting hand outs. We have a great time up here in Paradise.
    Chris
    8th Sep 2013
    12:05pm
    I think you best grow up surfer, I DON`T know anyone who does not work for their living, and that is including me and my family, I`m glad they didn't go around moaning and whinging expecting hand outs (your family) perhaps you should not whinge either, I am pleased you work for a living, but you need to work harder ever heard of "Paradise Lost" I hope not though I have lots of friends up there.
    student
    12th Sep 2013
    12:52pm
    Chris, right/wrong/men/women ... all these words go together. The difference between men and women is men THINK they're right, women KNOW they're right :)
    wally
    6th Sep 2013
    1:31pm
    Why are we reading about people carping about where Tony Abbott was born? If it is true that Julia Gillard was born in Wales, why not whack her with the same stick? Looks like the tired old One-eyed Labor Double standard in action again. Wake up, extract your head and just get over it.
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    2:20pm
    Thanks Wally, I seemed to have stirred up a hornets nest and struck a few raw nerves. Personally I could not care less where anyone is born. Chris & Geomac don't like getting their own medicine back. Think they can dish it out but can't take it. They will all return to normal after tomorrow.
    geomac
    6th Sep 2013
    3:10pm
    My few comments in reply to surfer are to refute his inane comments . I would not have the time , patience or fortitude to reply to his volumes of posts . Not much surfing done if all the time is spent writing posts to YLC .
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    3:15pm
    Another authority on comments made. Geomac you do have a problem. Perhaps I should take you out in the surf and say Tat Ta.
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    3:17pm
    Have a great night on sat. It is'nt much fun being a loser. You have been flogging a dead horse. Change sides and go with the winners.
    Jen
    6th Sep 2013
    3:50pm
    Give up Geomac, there's an endless supply of three word slogans where those came from. Meanwhile this is the real man surfer's in raptures about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zyY-xI6zgfk Someone to be really proud of as our Prime Minister.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    6:35pm
    surfer with a little 's'

    You really are a yank with your winners and losers bulldust. Australian's just 'give it a go mate', we do our best!

    Besides, who is winning here, certainly NOT YOU surfer. You are telling everyone to vote for the Abbott/Murdoch team which is quintessential to selling out Australia to ensure that Murdoch & his cronies long pockets are filled.

    Murdoch has run a huge and expensive campaign for Abbott and of course EXPECTS to be paid back, WITH INTEREST.

    IF Rudd loses, it will be a very SAD DAY for DEMOCRACY when A US billionaire can dictate WHO Australian's should vote for.

    It has been one of the most dirtiest campaign I have seen. Blatant bias and lies against one of the most successful Government Australia has ever had...based purely on Australia's economic position in the world..... at the very TOP - not been done before, even in good time but during the GFC, it is magnificent.
    aquatrek
    6th Sep 2013
    6:40pm
    M with a large M: you should volunteer for the soon to be defeated ALP policy speech writer vacant position [under Shorten] - quote 'when A US billionaire can dictate WHO Australian's should vote for.' - twaddle waffle at its best
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    7:18am
    Poor old Must-you-rate. Back again with all your propaganda and still writing manuscripts. Anyway have a lovely day and an even better evening. I was nearly going to ask you over for drinks, but don't want to spoil the party. You can have another go in three years time.
    Chris
    6th Sep 2013
    1:38pm
    I was not CARPING just stating facts, and yes Julia Gillard was born in Wales, not carping (never heard of that) just saying , I don`t care for being called a whinging Pom, thats all.so why don`t you read the posts properly ,, then go and build a bridge, LIBERAL/LABOR was NEVER mentioned
    Kaye Fallick
    6th Sep 2013
    6:35pm
    two comments removed
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    7:12am
    Good Morning Chris --- I know you will have a happy day and a wonderful evening. We can't all be winners. No more carping please.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    11:38am
    In Your Dreams, pity you are so pathetic,
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:53pm
    Cheer up Chris, the birds will sing again. Maybe in about twelve years.

    6th Sep 2013
    1:54pm
    Does anyone remember Abbott saying years ago that he was the moral gatekeeper of the Australian people? I was so incensed by his arrogance and sheer audacity that I sent a comment to the Sydney Morning Herald at the time. Yet I can find nothing about it on google.
    surfer
    6th Sep 2013
    2:47pm
    Strange!!!! Keep looking.
    geomac
    6th Sep 2013
    5:46pm
    Is this what you are looking for ?
    One of the things that so disappoints me about the election result is that I am the standard bearer for values and ideals which matter and which are important and … as the leader of the Coalition, millions and millions of people invest their hopes in me - abbott hubris

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/soldiers-thrown-to-wolves-says-abbott-20101012-16ht2.html#ixzz2e62kL9H6
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/soldiers-thrown-to-wolves-says-abbott-20101012-16ht2.html
    geomac
    6th Sep 2013
    5:49pm
    Another one Robi
    http://newswithnipples.com/2010/10/13/tony-abbott-is-not-the-gatekeeper-of-my-values/
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2013
    8:02am
    Thanks so much geo. Will check out those sites now.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2013
    9:19am
    Surfer don't you ever sleep?, or maybe you are unemployed as you seem to spend most of your time on this site or so it seems to me from reading these comments.
    Wstaton
    7th Sep 2013
    10:00am
    Misty, I think he must be one of those automatic Bots.

    I don't even bother clicking on the email that says "comment from surfer" I just delete them all.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    11:35am
    my goodness surfer, some people make their own decisions , if said opinions differ from yours, your only answer is RUDENESS
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:56pm
    Are you a gang of labor stooges, paid to try to intimidate the Blue Team. Tough luck you don't like getting your own back.

    6th Sep 2013
    2:05pm
    FOR ME

    I was standing in a crowd one day
    And there was such a din,
    Everyone was crying out -
    'Away, and crucify him !'
    I asked of one standing near
    What means this their screaming ?
    He told me that the one on trial
    Was guilty of blaspheming
    How, I asked is this
    What is it he has done ?
    The other one replied;
    Said that, he was God's own Son.
    And as I then beheld this man
    Who had been scourged and blamed
    I could not tell just what it was
    But, I felt so ashamed.
    For I could see within his eyes
    As he looked back at me,
    One who was a loving friend
    He was no enemy.
    And on the hill called Calvary
    Outside that city gate,
    They nailed him to his heavy stake
    Then they reviled with hate.
    Now as I neared his dying form
    I saw the blood-soaked ground
    I cried, I fell down at his feet
    My Saviour I had found.
    For into his eyes again I'd looked
    And this time I did see,
    He had no need to say one word -
    'Cause he was there For Me.
    JOHN 3:16 and 1 JOHN 3:16


    Richard Merrell
    PO Box 107 Wentworth Falls NSW Australia 2782
    aquatrek
    6th Sep 2013
    4:05pm
    reported
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    5:52pm
    Reported ? GOODY
    student
    12th Sep 2013
    12:45pm
    the same Richard Merrell who has so much to say in the Blue Mountains Gazette that no one else can get a word in??

    6th Sep 2013
    2:37pm
    Righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people
    geomac
    6th Sep 2013
    3:06pm
    The ox travels slowly but the owl hoots loudly .
    MiningMagnet
    8th Sep 2013
    4:15pm
    Beautiful work geomac....tears of laughter....
    I'll have to go outside for a walk around...
    ...took me a while to get to it but you've just made my day
    Dotty
    6th Sep 2013
    3:52pm
    I agree about some of these jobs not being managed properly ! But Labour are still the main ones that think of the older generation that have put in and worked very hard over all the years prior to now and The simulus payment we received did keep a lot of us afloat or we would have drowned!
    As for where the money has gone to ? Well we all know that teh boat people have to be kept ! And we also know that once here they are hard to send back!
    But I never seen the job that Howard did while in office solve that problem altegether !
    And we need more Boats patroling the Coast line and that cost money and more boats built ! So hopefully there will be more jobs there No matter who gets in and at this stage it looks to be The Liberals ! Well I have already made my choice and voted early !
    So hopefully mine will count against the Liberals ! Dotty.
    geomac
    6th Sep 2013
    4:06pm
    I voted early also . Every vote counts Dotty no matter who gets it . Use it or lose as they say .
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    7:07am
    OOOoooo NOOoooo Dotty, Please help us get rid of Krudd. He has been crawling to our children with his commo ideas. Should be kept away from all children. A dangerous little man.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    11:04am
    Dotty: you should vote exactly how you please, whether T Abbot or K Rudd, do not let the people influence you, that is as Bad as the Headlines of papers trying to influence people, we are not given credit to make up our own minds, in actual fact you should vote for the person in your area that you think is the best, not to worry about what other people think
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:58pm
    Ahaaa what wisdom.
    Aloysius
    6th Sep 2013
    3:55pm
    'Twas Saturday and the slithy toves
    Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
    All mimsy were the borogoves,
    And the mome raths outgrabe.
    Beware the Jabberwock my son!
    The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
    Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun.
    The frumious Bandersnatch!
    aquatrek
    6th Sep 2013
    4:10pm
    "Jabberwocky" is considered one of the greatest nonsense poems written in English.
    particolor
    6th Sep 2013
    4:05pm
    FMD !! What sort of a Retainer is that Surfer on ??? Its not hard to Spot The Silver Spoon on here !! He certainly swung My vote around !.. I wonder how many others were Swayed ?? Give Me A Break !!!...
    I'm going to watch a Movie now! ..(Coco The Clown goes Surfing) ........
    ..Converted One...
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    7:08am
    Hope you enjoy sat night. A great time will be had by all. Come over for drinks
    toot2000
    6th Sep 2013
    4:41pm
    That's right, bring out the class card, you must be rich if you vote conservative, what a crock, thinking pensioners know that this mob has to go and will vote tomorrow for what's best for the country (I hope) and kick Labor out for at least two terms.
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    6:54am
    Well said toot2000. This so called class distinction is coming from Krudd. Going to schools all the time and poisoning our childrens minds with his commo ideas. Doing high fives and allowing the poor awe inspired kids to be photographed with him. I have to explain to my grand kids that he is bad medicine and should never be allowed to go near the children. If he is not doing that he is kissing babies solely to crawl to the mothers to get their vote.. This half wit would do anything.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    11:16am
    and I might ask how that is class distinction??? and Abbot does nit kiss kids, wake up, they all do
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    10:01pm
    Having a bad day again Chris. Never mind it will be all over soon. I did not say he kissed kids. He poisons their minds. It is just the babies he loves to kiss. A weirdo.
    Chris
    8th Sep 2013
    1:26pm
    No comment surfer, THey ARE tared with the one brush WAKE UP YOURSELF But Just Let me tell you what is weird, the way you stick up for Abbot, if it was Turnbull I`d understand.......... What is it the surf you have in common?, the budgie smugglers? sorry FINCH smugglers?...Tony Abbot will be voted out by his party, just wait and see, HOORAY for Turnbull.

    6th Sep 2013
    5:54pm
    http://www.richard-2782.net Take any study or poem; also my cat Rega passed away earlier this year and you can see pics of him.
    aquatrek
    6th Sep 2013
    6:05pm
    reported
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    9:19pm
    OOOHHH reported again......GOODY..the atheists try all sorts of things to stop the truth
    aquatrek
    6th Sep 2013
    9:27pm
    As in the past you do not comply by the forum rules of engagement.
    1 - The topic is 'Abbott victory a shoo-in'. You are not on topic.
    2 - You have promoted your own web address. Not on topic and against the rules.
    Someone has to keep a poster like you honest as you cannot do it for yourself.
    Anonymous
    6th Sep 2013
    10:11pm
    Some folks will remember the DOBBERS from school days ..they got off watching others get the cane.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2013
    12:28am
    PIXAPD I am sorry to hear your cat passed away I am sure he was a much loved pet.
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    6:49am
    PIXAPD------ Sorry to hear about your lovely cat. I lost a beautiful poodle several months ago. That is really what life is about. Not all this bull s**t.
    Anonymous
    7th Sep 2013
    8:23am
    but you can see pics of him at www.richard-2782.net/regapics.htm

    Have a look if you want
    Misty
    7th Sep 2013
    11:42am
    I did have a look at Rega, I also had a white cat Misty who we had to put to sleep as she also had cancer, a sad time isn't it when we lose our furry friends, or any pet for that matter.

    6th Sep 2013
    6:45pm
    IF the Abbott/Murdoch team gets into power.... be worried, be very worried.

    WINTER is coming!!!!

    Murdoch is not known for sharing out his wealth or profits with the masses. He is more into PLUNDERING the wealth of nations to put in his & his cronies long (very long) pockets.

    Whether you like Rudd or not, he put Australia's economy at the very top of the world FACT - higher than China, USA, UK, Russia as well as making Australia the most EGALITARIAN nation in the world.

    IF Rudd gets re-elected the Labor NBN will be installed and ensure Australia's FUTURE for our kids & grandkids. WE may not appreciate the importance to our nation of an incredibly fast internet system BUT our kids & grandkids will.

    AND for goodness sake DO NOT put the Abbott/Murdoch team into the SENATE because you can kiss Australia as you know it, away. Tick the WikiLeaks Party, Greens, Independents.... anything BUT the Abbott/Murdoch team.

    We will simply become a little America.....poverty, crime, drugs, top 1% owning 80% of the wealth, NO public education, a public health system to DIE for, corporate control of our government, propaganda as a daily feed, patriotism (more bloody flags), racism & heavy religion (force fed to us daily).

    DON'T LET A FOREIGN U.S. BILLIONAIRE TELL YOU HOW TO VOTE..... PUT AUSTRALIA FIRST.
    Aloysius
    6th Sep 2013
    7:03pm
    In 2007, the Press Gallery and many media outlets persuaded the Australian people that Kevin Rudd was a worthy successor to John Howard, whose government, they insisted, was tired and should be replaced.
    In the meantime, the Press Gallery continued its campaign to denigrate Tony Abbott. This was because they objected to his beliefs, and that in the 1999 referendum, he dared to go against what was the almost unanimous view of the press Gallery and most of the media, that Australia must replace its crowned republic with a form of republic which would greatly increase the powers of the politicians, removing a significant check and balance from the constitutional system.
    The advent of Kevin Rudd has been an absolute disaster for the country. With the emergence of similar governments in Queensland and New South Wales, the national debt has grown over six years from nothing to half $1 trillion that is $500 billion. What have we got to show for it? What is the state of our defences and our borders?
    One of the extraordinary features of this campaign have been ministers with absolutely hopeless records of financial control criticising Tony Abbott. In particular, Kevin Rudd has been responsible for about $250 billion of waste, and Penny Wong $106 billion of miscalculations and waste.
    There can be no doubt that the Rudd and Gillard governments have been the most wasteful, incompetent and deceitful in the history of Australia.
    It is clear from the leadership that Tony Abbott has offered that although Australians may not agree with everything on the agenda, it will be a careful consultation and not wasteful government. In brief, and on the basis of his record and the enormous personal involvement in doing good, it is likely that this will be a very good government. It is worth remembering that for years few Australians knew of the hours Tony Abbott put in as a volunteer lifesaver and fireman and with the aboriginal people. Unlike many politicians he did not use these activities as photo opportunities but for the purposes for which they were intended. It was only when he emerged as a likely leader that the media began to take notice.
    aquatrek
    6th Sep 2013
    7:15pm
    A: versus Kevin707, 747, 380 - a stabee who stabbed back, born again by the faceless men who had organized his stabbing, reborn, reinvented, a changed man who very quickly illustrated that he hadnt changed at all - indeed was probably worse than before. 50% of the ALP front bench walked - would not serve under him as leader. K Rudd chose a presidential style of campaign - he will lose.
    geomac
    6th Sep 2013
    9:25pm
    Aqua
    Rudd deserves to lose because he undermined Gillard last election and continued for three years after the election . A person or should I say group cannot denigrate their own party for three years and expect the public to magically believe a return of the saboteur will make everything ok . Abbott had to do little but carry on like like a pork chop in parliament and reverse the image for the last two months . Murdoch , Abbott and motley crew together with Rudd and his saboteurs , no way to redeem that morass in time , 2 months . Julia Gillard is a class act , no me me me but puts the party first . Howard put himself first and Rudd has done the same and it would be fitting if like Howard Rudd lost his seat , doubtful despite a strong opponent . Gillard is head and shoulders above the two clowns vying for the lodge . Kirribilli in abbotts case .
    Misty
    7th Sep 2013
    12:23am
    Aloysius you must be a Murdoch journalist your piece reads like that propaganda rubbish that the DT prints. I cancelled my 7 day subscription yesterday I have had enough of their rubbish and will switch to Fairfax instead or maybe just read them on the web.
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    6:45am
    Hello again Must-you-rate---- Well you will be having a lovely day today after spilling all the labor lies. Enjoy
    toot2000
    7th Sep 2013
    9:34am
    I like like your political analysis Aloysius, it's good to have someone on the forum with half a brain.
    Misty
    7th Sep 2013
    4:39pm
    Toot2000 I think you must have the other half of Aloysius' brain you seem to be missing something too.
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    4:48pm
    hallo - its the 'Late way too late Misty & Chris' show hahaha
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    10:05pm
    The three labor stooges, Chris Misty Geomac
    jackeroo
    6th Sep 2013
    9:22pm
    geomac, a 5 year work contract for my parents and older brothers (2). As to the rest-we live next door to a house which has a staff of 3 to look after 4 men released from detention pending their applications. I is run by Anglicare funded by taxpayer dollars. The wastage of power etc. is enormous as is what they receive in cash grants and other monies eg $20,OOO to help set up a rental. We lived for a time in WW2 Army huts, oppressively hot in the West Australian Summer in the country and freezing in the winter. Prior to this we spent time in an Internment camp in Germany. Food for Internees was not a high priority when it was scarce in the country as a result whole families died. When we finally left Naples there were some 600 migrants on the ship. A bit over 500 arrived. Burials at sea were very common. We were grateful to have somewhere to go so even though the locals abused us we just worked (in my case went to school). Jackeroo comes from my attempt in the Navy to try a life on a station. I found steering a ship in a gale easier than riding a horse.
    geomac
    6th Sep 2013
    9:39pm
    Thanks for taking the time to reply jackeroo . Nissan huts I think is the name for those huts , half round things . The trip over sounds terrible . New Australians were treated badly by some , adults and children . The myth of the Australian fair go and egalitarian society . Funny thing is I grew up never knowing any different than lots of school mates from overseas but outside of school the anti feeling was pervasive . I reckon I was lucky not to have a whitebread upbringing , richer .
    Ecstatic Cyclist
    6th Sep 2013
    10:06pm
    Scrap Carbon Tax
    Reduce Red Tape
    End the Waste
    Stop the boats
    Build the roads
    Restore Tooth Fairy
    Pigs Might Fly
    Michael
    6th Sep 2013
    11:12pm
    It's a sad and sorry situation, Leigh, we have a wonderful country and only a bunch of infighting, self promoting, so called leaders to run it. I just wish they would pull together for the sake of rational progress.
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    6:52am
    dont look up guys or pig excrement will surely impair your vision (;-))))
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    1:38pm
    That was uncalled for aquatrek
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    1:59pm
    who are you to say what is uncalled for or not - the above Leigh post used the expression first or cant you read - your posts today [many] have been quite 'nasty' at times - have a Bex and a good lie down - it will soon be all over
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    3:04pm
    I am sorry , you are right, I did not see that, but it doesn't make it right or called for,in fact it is bad manners, whomever says it, just shows your age though,"BEX"have not been around for as long as I can remember Nasty, nasty, so is this "Go build a Bridge"
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    3:21pm
    my you cannot read can you - did you see the smiley faces ? (;-))))
    that means that it was said in good humour
    your the epitome of rude
    get a life
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    4:18pm
    Leigh said"pigs might fly" nothing about excrement , but yes she did say pigs might fly and thank you I have a wonderful life
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    6:39am
    Yeah, A happy birthday to all and at last we are going to be governed by a man not a mouse. Today marks a great day for all Australians and no more small businesses will go broke. Even the building industry might return. Rak off Krudd.
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    6:56am
    lets pray to Huey s - I would cleanse my soul in the briny if it wasnt so bloody cold hahaha
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    7:02am
    http://www.bom.gov.au/oceanography/forecasts/idyoc14.shtml?region=14&forecast=1
    http://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks/Manly-North-Steyne/seatemp

    I checked the briny temp off Syd and its about 19/20 C !!
    pretty warm for this time of the year ?
    geomac
    7th Sep 2013
    12:47pm
    Ever heard of parliament surfer ? Governed by a man hmmm sounds like a dictator to me rather than a govt with upper and lower house . Not a lot will change after today as both have NDIS , gonski , NBN etc . Bit like changing the curtains , same room just looks different .
    Misty
    7th Sep 2013
    4:21pm
    surfer just as many small and large business will go broke under a Liberal Coalition government as they did under Labor, what makes you think people will spend more I would like to know, I won't and neither will anyone else I know, they are too worried about what is happening in the rest of the world. I do most of my buying other then food on the internet as I don't have to pay the mark up Australian business puts on everything. I will buy here again when business decides to manufacture in Australia again but at the moment they are too concerned about making profits for all the mum and dad shareholders not keeping jobs in Australia.
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:33pm
    Geomac & Misty--- You are both pushing your barrows uphill. Just accept a lot of things will change for the good under Lib/Nats. The whole business confidence will change completely. The economy will prosper and there will be lots more jobs for every one. Do you both stubbornly vote labor because your parents did. Stop correcting others with your ridiculous labor drivell. Learn to relax
    unicorn
    7th Sep 2013
    6:44am
    yeah a man!!! I don't think so as all he is good for is hiding behind his daughters.
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    6:57am
    What about the other baby kissing apology, no comparison there. He should be kept away from all the school kids. Poisoning their minds with his commo ideals.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    11:13am
    my you are a bitter one, surfer
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    12:30pm
    maybe the 'losers' can all get onto a post together and we can get a 'mug' shot (;-)))))))
    geomac
    7th Sep 2013
    12:38pm
    surfer is indeed bitter chris . A glass half empty type it seems .
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:10pm
    Chris & Geomac------ You both have a problem with me, but just answer a question. If most of Australia is voting for Tony Abbott, what does that tell you. Now you are not too silly to work that one out I hope. Have a lovely evening you holyier than thou types. Catch you in three years time. Just pathetic
    geomac
    7th Sep 2013
    9:46pm
    surfer
    Your ignorance of our voting system continues to surprise me . The only people who can vote for Abbo are those in his electorate . Lets expand votes to a national perspective . Do all liberal voters want Abbo or Turnbull . I would say thats a hard proposition but its certainly not 100% or even 70% . Now we move to National and libnat voters who may or may not want your idol Tony but their National candidate or variation of the libnat stripe . For someone throwing around the term silly you do not come across as particularly bright . You pose a silly question and suggest a likely outcome ie what does that tell you . I,ll answer a question if the question is valid and I,m inclined to respond . First I have to see if you can formulate a sensible question then I can decide to respond .
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    10:10pm
    Mate!!!! Loosen up a bit. You are splitting straws. Lets put it another way. If most of Australia wants the Libs/Nats to win power, what does that tell you. Now I know you like to confuse issues if the answer does not suit you.
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    10:49pm
    surfer: its the answer that they refused to digest because they are blind and unaware of reality - I feel sorry for these who havent a clue outside their own selfish blinkered narrow points of view - therefore they lose - yet again after just 2 terms.
    unicorn
    7th Sep 2013
    6:44am
    yeah a man!!! I don't think so as all he is good for is hiding behind his daughters.
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    6:58am
    I feel sure you are going to have a nice day and a wonderful evening.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    1:50pm
    nice comment surfer !!
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    7:00am
    Aquatrek-- Come up to Queensland. Have a good one.
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    7:05am
    its a plan B on the boil - have a goody yourself cheers
    Aloysius
    7th Sep 2013
    7:56am
    A little girl asked her father, "Daddy? Do all Fairy Tales begin with 'Once Upon A Time'?"

    He replied, "No, there is a whole series of Fairy Tales that begin with 'If elected I promise'."
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    12:56pm
    On looking at all these comments, and yes I have made quite a few, and I must say, regret some, because they are a trifle nasty, anyway I think that we should just, sit back and see what the general public want, no more nasty stuff people, it s not really necessary ,we are all Australians , and proud of our country
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:12pm
    Good comment at last Chris. You are forgiven
    toot2000
    7th Sep 2013
    12:57pm
    I can't understand why people keep insisting that Rudd saved us from the GFC? He didn't, it was because Howard paid all the debts before it hit the fan and he left Rudd plenty of money in the bank. Why don't you believe it?
    geomac
    7th Sep 2013
    2:05pm
    toot
    Because none are true as a one person narrative . Hawke and Keating reforms started our path to prosperity and howard tweaked those reforms . Both Howard and Rudd in 2007 set the path to structural deficit and Gillard righted most of that imbalance . The howard surplus was never enough to implement the stimulus required to avert a recession but it helped to some degree . China had a massive stimulus which in turn helped Australia . Labor not just Rudd listened to treasury and acted on its advice to save jobs and prevent Australia from the worst of the GFC . Why do you think it is so simple as a piddling 20 billion surplus ?
    toot2000
    7th Sep 2013
    3:00pm
    Keating left Howard with an unexpected $7.6 billion deficit. You won't admit it but John Howard ran the country like we should all run a household - don't spend more than you earn.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    3:35pm
    you know toot geomac is right, go to Library and look it up or alternatly google
    geomac
    7th Sep 2013
    5:52pm
    toot
    I don't know many households that sell the furniture , the garage and the car to give relations a gift ( bribe ) .
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    6:03pm
    So geomac: by your analysis Oz before Hawke was not prosperous - utter 'so subtle' twaddle.
    I hope you dont cry for too long into your beer tonight.
    geomac
    7th Sep 2013
    8:06pm
    Aqua
    Despite your pathetic effort to verbal me I implied no such thing . Paved the way for prosperity doe not or cannot be construed as saying there was no prosperity in the past . Only a Pickering acolyte such as yourself would make such a ludicrous jump . I do not drink , beer or similar beverages and I do not cry over election results figuratively or otherwise .
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    8:55pm
    you said the words quote 'Hawke and Keating reforms started our path to prosperity and howard tweaked those reforms.' unquote
    anyone would question that statement which I consider to be utterly stupid
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:19pm
    Look at the facts and lets think about the present. Rudd inherited 19 billion credit from Howard. In six years he has managed to turn it into over 300 billion in debt with an interest bill of annually 10 billion. This wonderful achievement happened during record income from mining. Now you bright sparks Chris & Geomac what do you think of that. The mining boom would have compensated for the GFC so where have all the billions gone? It will take many years of good Lib/Nat government to pay this one off.
    MiningMagnet
    7th Sep 2013
    9:48pm
    This topic has been done to death with the party-dogma staying on message but....
    A quick look at the meteoric rise in private debt during the Howard years prior to the GFC (banks lending 105% of housing value as part of govt 'endless growth' campaign) will reveal that capital was sucked out of the economy to repay the private (read business and household) debt
    Mining boom couldn't even come close to surviving its own cuts, let alone pay for anything else - mining switched off with 3500 jobs gone in 6 mths (some gold survived) as a pre-cursor to more cuts as the full scale of the global disaster became apparent
    Post-GFC reviews (20/20 hindsight ) of strategies engaged by incoming govt responding to the (hidden) time bomb have been positive. Stimulus packages - and a capacity to continue trading into China's slowing growth - prevented the anticipated dramas, a strategy that has become a 'case study' for economists.
    The reviews done by academic and professional sources without an axe to grind generally are positive - those sources with an axe to grind make their views easily apparent by the selective use of data or by the simple expedient of ignoring it
    I have $50 on 35-40 seats - the statistician mate is 'doing' a book on it with 5 seat increments between 20 to 60....I reckon I'm in trouble...
    geomac
    7th Sep 2013
    9:51pm
    surfer
    Thank you for a chuckle . I scroll down and look what I find . Take advice from a person who in the space of 4 minutes contradicts himself/herself .
    " Chris forget about history or how far back you want to go, stick to the present. "
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    1:28pm
    I Am, but really not trying to be with anyone, but the truth bears hearing John Howard sold off Telstra ( I Do know this for a fact) and Gold, and it was only (sounds bad) 20,000,000 ahead, in an economy like ours, that really is a pittance.Sorry toot, but that is probably why, its unbelieveable, yes its true 20,000,000, but thats it
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:23pm
    Chris forget about history or how far back you want to go, stick to the present.
    Chris
    8th Sep 2013
    12:18pm
    I was just answering a question, and History (ours and our countries ) is what makes us who we are surfer, how we perceive things, and yes how we manage to have differing opinions, the world would be a horrible place if we all agreed, so we should agree to disagree
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    2:18pm
    I agree to disagree so agree with that statement.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    1:33pm
    I Suggest you go to P.Costello`s sigh and check this out for your self or alternately ask the question
    particolor
    7th Sep 2013
    2:08pm
    When they Crown King Tony !!..
    I'm going to Disneyland !!
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    2:09pm
    one way ?
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:21pm
    Don't you mean PNG??
    MiningMagnet
    7th Sep 2013
    10:09pm
    I think they will actually have a private ceremony to crown King Rupert and the Libs boys will be the princelings and vassals competing for crumbs from the great man's table.
    Please don't confuse anything happening today with governance or a commitment to improve the quality of life for the Australian people.
    http://spinneypress.com.au/books/media-ethics-and-regulation/...some interesting 'short facts' on a pretty tough read
    Today is about the aussie people and politicians being given a lesson in who is actually wielding power.
    Given the massive resources exhausted in getting the win - like Obama - the incoming govt has many, many bills to pay.
    It is our responsibility to identify the payments as they occur.
    For example - recipients of privatisation opportunities, closed tenders, govt contracts and other traditional ROI techniques should be scrutinised carefully.
    The only opportunity to manage media influence resides solely with intelligent use of internet information sources by a sceptical and enquiring public
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    10:43pm
    do you and Mussitate share the same bed ?
    This is a democracy where the public by law compulsory vote for who they decide who is to run the country.
    Your insidious words amount to treason.
    The ALP were seen to be a disjointed rabble and therefore paid the price after 2 terms.
    Lets see Mr Shorten take the blame - not bloody likely. Rudd did his best as a party 'saviour'.
    He conceded defeat and suffered a landslide loss - Gillards would have been worse. The End.
    MiningMagnet
    8th Sep 2013
    1:29pm
    Aquatrek, ..thank you so much.....mate you must stop doing this....once again you have brought me to tears of laughter....my right-wing, wack-job (RWWJ) mates have become quite belligerent about the ammo you provide to torture them.
    Treason...aaah buddy
    ... you do understand that the 'seen to be etc etc' of which you speak is a picture painted (and swallowed apparently without discrimination) by an orchestrated advertising campaign designed to 'besmirch and denigrate' a competing 'brand'....hahahaha..well maybe not....visiting uncomfortable truths does require a certain integrity and maturity of intellectual discipline.
    See, here's the thing, it doesn't matter who gets 'elected' to drive the bus - but I do like to know who is paying the driver.
    Once again, thank you and I have sent copies of your comments to my RWWJ mates to bring home to them the company with whom they reside...hahahaha
    geomac
    7th Sep 2013
    2:23pm
    And, as it happens, most have been adopted by the Coalition. They are no longer in contention. The National Disability Insurance Scheme, the four-year budgeted commitment to the Gonski education reforms, the four successive hikes in tobacco excise, the bank deposit levy to fund bailouts, the emptying of inactive super accounts, they are all now Coalition policy, despite what it may have said in the past.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/the-great-budget-shuffle-20130906-2talg.html#ixzz2eArCGJsA
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    2:26pm
    the 'same room - different blinds' is an apt analogy. Some blinds just let in more natural light.
    Chris
    7th Sep 2013
    3:11pm
    we will see
    jackeroo
    7th Sep 2013
    5:06pm
    Geomac--- I know Nissan Huts, and these pre-dated the Nissan huts (pr0bably ww1). They were square with a pitched roof. We were given big bags to fill with straw for mattress'. Funnily enough when I went to High School and joined the cadets, we stayed in the same huts for our annual 2 week camp. Anyway, nuff said,
    geomac
    7th Sep 2013
    8:08pm
    Even worse then . Good you came out of those experiences as a reasonable person , many wouldn't .
    surfer
    7th Sep 2013
    9:37pm
    The corks are popping.
    aquatrek
    7th Sep 2013
    10:36pm
    not so much as the Boks thrashed the Wobblies - their 1st win at Suncorp - sad
    geomac
    7th Sep 2013
    11:14pm
    Well the cats and pies got beaten today which was a surprise . Interesting finals series so far .
    Your popping corks surfer ? Somehow I think you might be a bit disappointed . After the footy I had a look at ABC and spotted libnats 45% , early doors I guess but usually fairly accurate . How did PUP get so many votes ?
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    9:20am
    All our recent failures in world sport will now change, with a different attitude and great government we will go from losers to winners. I even think we could now beat the All Blacks. No geomac, I am thrilled.
    Chris
    8th Sep 2013
    12:21pm
    really
    MiningMagnet
    8th Sep 2013
    3:31pm
    surfer
    Breathtaking.....
    I remained silent when you posted... "Krudd is responsible for the GFC"
    I remained silence when you offered a hodge-podge of party press release and jingoistic dogma on high rotation as 'reasoned and well-informed' argument.
    But I can not remain silent about something SO important as Rugby
    The only way our current crop of Rugby players could beat the All Blacks is if they were allowed to take firearms onto the field with them and shoot any NZ player with the ball.
    Even then, I doubt they could construct and complete a team try.
    If their shooting was like their tackling and passing game they may not inflict injury anyway.
    Interesting (and telling) that the only Wannabee distinguishing himself by actually doing his job, is a former League player who knows the value of 'un-rewarded effort'
    Between my Kiwi and Yarpi mates giving it to me about the Rugby and the poms giving it to me about the cricket - I am coming to understand depression again.
    aquatrek
    8th Sep 2013
    3:38pm
    MM: on this topic we soundly rock solid agree. If we cannot beat the Pumas then we should quit the comp.
    MiningMagnet
    8th Sep 2013
    4:30pm
    Agree
    Kiwis play half a game and beat them comfortably, or so the kiwi texts I'm getting are telling me.
    ...with an unnecessary amount of digital derisive laughter ....bastards
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    5:04pm
    Well Mining Magnet, Perhaps I should have put our Wallabys might beat the All Blacks. They have done in the past, and if we change the coach often enough it could happen. Don't you take any cheek from those Kiwis. We are better at swimming!!!!! Even without performance enhansing drugs.
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    5:08pm
    Krudd tried to steer us through the GFC. Of course he did not cause it. However he over reacted and wasted billions of our hard earned dollars. I am so glad we will never see him again.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2013
    7:02am
    I VERY MUCH Doubt that Surfer is a Pensioner ???..And if It is Its Kids pay Its Rates and Taxes,Light Bill and Phone,FREE REGISTRATION ($600 + a Year) and bring it round a big bag of Free Groceries every Sunday + BONUS..Liberal Party Retainer Payment !!!!!..Dont let the Bubbles from the Shampers get up Your Big Nose !!!...
    Now... I wonder how many People knew that PUP was a Liberal Party Stooge Too ????
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    9:12am
    If I am not a pensioner, what does that make me. Just because someone works hard and long hours, and has a brain, does that make them some sort of arsehole? Particolour, me thinks you must have been a lazy loser that needs the pokies to give yourself a thrill. I feel sorry for such a lot of people with inferiority complexes and moan about what they don't have instead of being grateful for what they do have. Envy will get you no where. Just get a life.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2013
    7:17am
    HAW HAW HAW !!!... Cant wait for the Carbon Tax to come Off !!! Give Me A Break !!!!
    And I looked out to Sea and saw a Boat Turning around!!..Haw Haw Haw !!..I cant get enough of this !!..He He He
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    9:04am
    Well I am going to have a very relaxing and enjoyable day and so happy Australia is back in business. It is about time. All my friends and even my critics will prosper. So you can all thank Tony Abbott for that. Brandy lime juice and soda for breakie. Great particolor can see those boats heading back home. Power bills down down down. I hope you all have a wonderful day.
    unicorn
    8th Sep 2013
    9:05am
    That is only an optical illusion Particolor Haw haw !! It was Tony turning around in his beloved surf.! haw haw!!! Afraid the jokes on you!
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    9:17am
    What a wonderful leader, a fit and healthy athlete, a man of vision and integrity, a bloke that will do what he says, a man with a brain, someone we can trust at last. How lucky we are, and we are again the lucky country. What a transformation.
    Chris
    8th Sep 2013
    11:50am
    om my wait til the blinkers are off,even JHoward was not impressed
    geomac
    8th Sep 2013
    1:25pm
    I think I,ve worked out who surfer is , Piers Ackerman .
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    2:12pm
    Got you guessing eh geomac. Even the real estate is picking up already. Just amazing!!!!
    Misty
    12th Sep 2013
    4:39pm
    I can't imagine who surfer is talking about, I thought Tony Abbott won the election so who is this person he is referring too I would like to know.
    surfer
    13th Sep 2013
    9:57am
    Misty I thought it was clear that I meant Tony Abbott, it certainly does not describe Rudd, does it. We are indeed a lucky country to at last have a decent team looking after us all. Count our blessings. Big cheers.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2013
    9:17am
    Surfer... You live in Wonderland Alice !!!
    I dont see ANYTHING Changing real soon !!
    I'm Neither Lib nor Labor..and dont give a Rats who is steering Your Ship !! Have another BLS ,it sounds like You can well afford it !!! ..CHEERS !!
    PS.. I just saw a Pink Pig fly past !!
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    9:24am
    C'mon particolor, show a bit of optimism. That is a problem. No, I have to watch my pennies just as much as you probably do. Become a happy chappie. Get that disgruntled frown off your face. I hope I am cheering you up.
    Misty
    8th Sep 2013
    7:27pm
    Why does surfer and all the Libs think things will pick up?, no one I know is going to buy any more now then they have been, China is still in the doldrums, the mining is slowing down as no one has the money or the need to buy our products so I can't see anything changing anytime soon.
    aquatrek
    8th Sep 2013
    7:50pm
    Misty: you have encountered the word 'confidence' havent you ?

    The ALP over the past 6 years went ballistic with $$ spending and borrowing [plus a cupla knifings just for fun] - this is not uncommon as they know that historically they will last just maybe two terms - Why you ask ?

    The policies that were created, albeit all not crazy, were ill managed. The classic is the asylum boat issue. Rudd destroyed a working solution and we all know where that is now.

    So its like the Sth African Boks who after 42 years thrashed Oz last night in a game of rugby. Their 'confidence' on the battle field was absolutely amazing - it is an intense world class physical team sport.

    This is where the 'ambience/impetus' for Oz will turn - a new game - a new team - renewed beginnings for all. The NLP will regulate the living standards and livelihoods for all of Oz so that ALL will prosper in the medium term. Its called team discipline - the very lack of which has brought the ALP down.
    Misty
    11th Sep 2013
    5:31pm
    I am sorry Aquatrek I tried paying for my goods and services with confidence but unfortunately the stores and service providers would not accept it, seems you still need actual money for these things.
    MiningMagnet
    11th Sep 2013
    10:09pm
    Misty - your point is well made.
    But wait - the banks have let us know (at last) that banking is a 'confidence' business....I'm just hoping these 'confidence tricksters' will return some of my investment....that would give me confidence....hahahahah
    The Murdoch newspaper adverts...oops I mean...newspaper articles will now be extolling the virtues and resilience in the new economy (that would be the same one copping a caning a week or two ago) and laying this 'miraculous' transformation at the feet of the incoming crew...hahahaha
    You've just broken the rules by introducing common sense and insightful observation.....oh doom and mayhem...hahhahaha
    While I do enjoy the jokes and humour, I just wish a bit more of it was deliberate
    aquatrek
    Seth Efrica only needed to turn up to win - this will lead to confidence...hahahaha
    ...and yes I did hear the score from the yarpies, several times....one of them reckoned that yarpie was a derogatory term...hahahah...so I tried a few others and he decided that maybe yarpie wasn't so bad
    Don't suppose there's any chance of anything different from the usual 'readings' from the Libs press releases is there ?...as humorous as they are, the 'on message' repetition thing does get old
    surfer
    12th Sep 2013
    9:59am
    Misty, Have you been watching the news since the change of government. Australia is a much more confident place already and things will get a lot better. And no wonder after six years of hell with a pack of drongos that would not know the time of day. There has been an immediate change for the better already. Labor will be out for many years to come.
    Misty
    13th Sep 2013
    6:31pm
    Well surfer things aren't looking too good for Tony yet are they?, more boats arriving after he said they would be stopped in the first week and what happened to Tony visiting Indonesia in the first week if he was elected, a broken promise already but then again Indonesia are not happy with the "Buy back the boats and bribe the fishermen for information", so could be storm clouds there already.
    surfer
    14th Sep 2013
    6:05am
    Mist Misty Hey, Tony is not sworn in yet and is PM elect. The country is still officially under Rudd. You keep an eye on the boats, but give the man some time. Labor could not stop them in six years after starting them. You will see lots of sun on the horizon.
    unicorn
    8th Sep 2013
    9:19am
    What I would like to know is how Tony beloved Rabbit is going to give us back what we have paId out in Carbon tax & how is he going to make the electricity companies return to the rates that they used to charge us, and how is he going to recompense us for our extra rates this year charged on the excuse that the carbon tax cost us ?
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    9:29am
    Unicorn, You seem like a sensible bloke. He cannot do that overnight. Remember the huge interest bill. Give the man time and I am sure we will all be happy. Carbon tax is directly responsible for 10% of your power bill. It causes massive increases in our costs over a lot of items.
    Michael
    8th Sep 2013
    11:06am
    Give him time--three years maybe! and I should add I am not connected to any political party but if it aint broke why fix it??
    Chris
    8th Sep 2013
    11:54am
    No neither am I Michael, but Abbot ugh, Now if it had have been Malcolm Turnbull leading this party, well at least he is a man of integrity, not a silly, dumb, dumb and combination like Abbot and Hockey
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    2:06pm
    Did'nt know you were a rhode scholar Chris. Congratulations.
    geomac
    8th Sep 2013
    3:03pm
    A rhodes scholar is not the dux of the class surfer nor the top in anything . A panel selects the candidate , bit like the Nobel prize without the achievement .
    Chris
    8th Sep 2013
    3:11pm
    Oh Yes , I did hear about that surfer, but find it hard to envisage because he seems so ........... not too I think I have the right words, it takes more then book learning to be a decent human being , the man ( and I say that backhandedly ) didn't even have the common decently to thank his wife and daughters ( who have stood by his side), did you notice how they were not on stage with him ,but in the background, but right by his side campaigning, that smirks of using them, not very nice Tony , Surfer you are probably a decent sort of fellow, can you understand that?, would you do that to your family? I really do not think so, You know I am not anti Liberal/Labor, I just can not stand stupidity
    If Malcolm was there, I am sure it would please more people, The majority of people vote for whom they like in their OWN electrol areas,
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    4:46pm
    Fair comment Chris, And I did not know of any rudeness or the fact Tony Abbott did not thank his family for all their input. I am surprised by that, but during this election I have always compared Abbott with Rudd, and with Rudds record. To me it was chalk and cheese. One I have always though of as a mans man while the other sent shivers up my spine. We are all only here for the eventual benefit of our families and to have Australia return to its glory days. Don't forget, the Libs voted Tony Abbott as their leader and all seem to admire him greatly. Given the vote was close.
    Misty
    8th Sep 2013
    7:33pm
    Unicorn the power companies have already said they will not be reducing their prices so as I have said before I can't see anything changing.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2013
    9:45am
    OK Lets see your Boy keep just one of those promises, Mr Kings College Scholar !!. I'm only a Paul Hogan Copy Cat, but have a great life without Carrying a Dopey Politicians Coat tails around ,for very little benefit !! I hope no Bodgie did something Naughty in Your Brandy while You weren't looking !!!..Taa Taa !!!..See You when the Grog wears off and Your Stupid Abbott like Grin fades into reality !! and I cant even copy that false laugh ?? Its a cross between a Donkey and a Goose...BYE ...
    particolor
    8th Sep 2013
    11:19am
    OK !! I'll behave Myself !!. I'll just settle down on the Patio with a Vegemite Glass full of Cardboard Red with a Piquant Pong !!..
    I love the way You Libs turn nasty after a couple !!!
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    11:25am
    NO NO I have been very nice and tried to cheer you up. Perhaps we are getting somewhere. You sound much better. Only trying to be helpful. Have a good one.
    Kaye Fallick
    8th Sep 2013
    11:51am
    Derogatory comment has been removed
    Chris
    8th Sep 2013
    1:04pm
    I think you should have been more vigilant,there has been some horrible things on here, you certainly set the cat among the pigeons
    aquatrek
    8th Sep 2013
    6:01pm
    Geez Chris - in the not too far past on quite harmless topics there were bloodless [virtual] be-headings, incarcerations, banishments, actual real adult swear words commonly used by the kids of today, religious hatred/bigotry/evangelism etc, textual dislike, avatar dislike, just plain everyday I-havent-had-my-meds-yet anger, and a whole host of other sandpit events and rantings. Stick around - you can [waste] use up many otherwise useful hours on here.
    particolor
    8th Sep 2013
    12:09pm
    I never got uncalm!! I couldnt care if there was a Robbers Dog in there !!
    Surfer... You do know that all Parties are painted from the same Pot,Dont You ??
    Libs,Labor Whatever answer to a higher Order!! King Neptune in You case I think ??
    Democracy My Bum,that's an Illusion to make You think You are getting a vote and it counts!! Spare Me !!
    I drew a picture of Inca-bob Crane on My ballot paper,and hoped the Scrutineer enjoyed it !! I'm a good artist and not the type of artists I saw printed on those papers.
    But if I was going to have a vote Mr Palmer and his 5 friends was tempting, but I declined ,and wandered off Happy Again as usual !!!
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    2:08pm
    I think I am starting to agree with you particolor about some things.
    jackeroo
    8th Sep 2013
    12:34pm
    Having driven politicians around many years ago, I can only say that:
    1. The only time the average pollie talks to his electorate seriously is nearing election time. The rest of the time they sit on their hands (except when going out to spend taxpayer dollars).
    2. When they vote, it is HOW the leader wants, therefore we could save a great deal of money by replacing them with trained monkeys. Come to think of it, they would make better company in the car.
    I have met a few politicians whom I have admired in my life, but none of the current ilk.
    aquatrek
    8th Sep 2013
    1:44pm
    If only the NLP had gotten complete control of the senate !!
    but then the 'others' and the 'unresolved as yet' may be politically kind down the track
    (;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))
    geomac
    8th Sep 2013
    3:20pm
    A few Fielding types look to have a chance to get in . Motor enthusiast party or whatever and another Family first turkey might slide in with bugger all real votes but preferences a plenty .
    Janpeter
    8th Sep 2013
    3:27pm
    Why I did NOT vote Labour. 6 years ago we had a surplus, lots of money in the bank, now we have $35Billion debt. We as a country are not $35B better off since then. Labour, I can't afford you.
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    4:55pm
    Good thinking Janpeter, but our total debt is over 300 billion caused by Rudd. He inherited a credit of 19 billion. The 35 billion was just the budget blow out.
    student
    12th Sep 2013
    1:17pm
    are you guys talking 'debt' or 'deficit' ??
    MiningMagnet
    8th Sep 2013
    3:44pm
    Came out from voting at the local primary school to discover some muppet had backed over my motorbike....
    I was speechless and very polite, as one must be when dealing with mindless cretins
    Speak slowly and softly and get them to repeat back what you have said
    The entourage of 'how to vote' staffers turned out and offered to assist picking up the bike and to act as witness for me - much appreciated
    Her excuses were the usual - "didn't see it there, it wasn't deliberate, it was just an accident..."...
    My view is that it is none of those things it is simply incompetence
    Guess which political party she was an organiser for.....and guess which party the most valuable assistance came from
    aquatrek
    8th Sep 2013
    4:20pm
    dunno - is that a question that doesnt have a punctuation question mark - like this one ......
    geez I feel frivilous
    MiningMagnet
    8th Sep 2013
    4:51pm
    Well it's Sunday, your desired electoral outcome is complete and the 'basking in the glory' phase of having your 'team' win persists, so perhaps a little frivolity is acceptable....
    Tho the role of 'grammar nazi' is such a double-edged, entertaining sword, I'm almost disappointed we have none such here.
    A least it would ensure ONE thing on which all could agree...hahahahah
    In response - Both people were from the Libs
    Which, to me, suggests that no one party is the sole 'suppository' of all that is good or bad in politics.
    surfer
    8th Sep 2013
    4:52pm
    Hi Again, I would guess the incompetant fool was definately a half drunk labor organiser. I am sure it was the Liberal party that picked your bike up and chased after the half blind drunk labor lady. I was dux of my school
    aquatrek
    8th Sep 2013
    5:50pm
    MM: lets start a sweep [the prize to be allowed to moderate for just 1 day on YLC]
    You said that the kids were both psychiatrists - True or False ?
    Because no one in their usual run-of-the-mill normal everyday right mind would 'allow a little frivolity' for a team win.
    If true then I would suggest that you are one PSYCHO also - do I win ?
    Michael
    8th Sep 2013
    5:57pm
    As dux of your school, surfer (with a lower case 's') I would have thought you could spell definitely correctly. Just an observation!
    Michael
    8th Sep 2013
    6:02pm
    Incompetent too,Surfer. 8-)
    aquatrek
    8th Sep 2013
    6:07pm
    So MM - you are the new YLC president elect ?
    quote 'Tho the role of 'grammar nazi' is such a double-edged, entertaining sword, I'm almost disappointed we have none such here.' unquote
    I hear that the salary is in line with Centrelinks Newstart allowance for the well off.

    Incompetent intimidates moi to think that you think that you 'own/run' YLC forums ?
    surfer
    9th Sep 2013
    7:35am
    Oh Michael, Now I have struck an ex head master. Wow so politically correct. Don't you know in this modern era, there seem to be lots of ways to spell things. So you are dealing with a very competent scholar.
    Michael
    9th Sep 2013
    1:30pm
    Surfer, it is my understanding that self praise is no recommendation and one doesn't have to be a headmaster or be politically correct to be able to spell correctly.
    surfer
    9th Sep 2013
    1:45pm
    Michael, We you are a self rightous old chap. I meant you are a head master type. That type always gave me the gripes. So take it easy, learn to relax and look at yourself instead of scolding others. You must be the epitome of perfection. Or just a drop kick.
    Michael
    9th Sep 2013
    3:53pm
    Thanks Surfer, for the advice.I am certainly not the epitome of perfection so maybe you could give me some lessons on how to be a drop kick.
    surfer
    9th Sep 2013
    4:12pm
    Since you are just normal, that is good, so you are forgiven. I don't really think you are a drop kick.
    Michael
    9th Sep 2013
    5:58pm
    Only just normal, Surfer! All the best till next time and I don't think either of us is or ever will be a "drop kick" Incidentally there is only one 'a' in revelation. Can't help myself----sorry! 8-)
    surfer
    9th Sep 2013
    8:09pm
    Catch you later Michael. I am a lot better at Maths.
    MiningMagnet
    11th Sep 2013
    11:01am
    aquatrek....maaate
    re: Kids - correct, two of three are shrinks...the other one claims she is just deeply disturbed ...hahahaha...(explanatory note for the unseeing: this is an 'in-family' joke that has been family fun for many years - not an observation about mental health in general....)
    Have been called psycho, as well as many other things over the years.."the prophet is without honour in his own land"..is my take on the slings and arrows...hahahaha
    surfer
    again, guesswork is incorrect, the 'incompetent fool' and the 'saviour' both were from Libs as described, a Greens fellow offered assistance to pick up the bike, but was not required..hahahaha...
    re: dux of the school..."in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" would seem appropriate given the perspective of your posting content
    aquatrek
    Any competition for role of grammar-nazi please 'include me out'....
    Tho' I will continue "casting pearls...,.."
    student
    12th Sep 2013
    1:31pm
    Oh Captain Michael, I too am a stickler for spelling. Surfer, I understand your spelling problem. You were riding the waves during spelling lessons:) As for the 'drop kick' ... you two are just rough, tough,cream-puffs :)
    particolor
    8th Sep 2013
    5:58pm
    I saw that Accident ..It was a Surfie on a Skate Board full of Brandy, Lime Juice and Soda !!!
    surfer
    9th Sep 2013
    7:39am
    Good Morning particolor, Well the birds are singing again and drinkies are all over for a time. I only ride a surf board so that accident was another drongo. Have a great day.
    particolor
    9th Sep 2013
    8:21am
    Good Luck !! Spend Wisely !! Bye Bye !!
    surfer
    9th Sep 2013
    10:52am
    Bye Bye for now and it has been a revalation with all the nice and not so nice emails. I am sure we have all enjoyed the rivalry. I am off and away to the briny.
    Misty
    9th Sep 2013
    10:02am
    Time to close these comments I think Kaye.
    particolor
    9th Sep 2013
    7:05pm
    Yes and all You People lay off Tony now, and let him get on with his job!! He said he would get rid of the Carbon Tax,and he will !! He is in Canberra now Renaming it !!
    Misty
    9th Sep 2013
    8:07pm
    In your dreams Particolor, Labor supporters voted for a Carbon Tax and there is no way it will pass in this senate Tony will have to wait until July next year and even then it may not get passed. Our MP'S,Labor that is, have to respect the wishes of those who voted for them THAT IS THE MANDATE WE GAVE THEM.
    surfer
    9th Sep 2013
    8:11pm
    You are confused Misty and missed the point.
    particolor
    9th Sep 2013
    9:42pm
    HMMM!! Misty ! I dont think you are reading into that, what I wrote ??... and I'm quiet up with current affairs, The currents go in after you have mixed the dough !!
    Kiss ..
    Misty
    13th Sep 2013
    6:33pm
    No surfer I am not the one confused.
    particolor
    9th Sep 2013
    7:10pm
    And the Boat People are Really Turned Off now !!! They have just been told that they will no longer be getting a Steaming Hot Mug of Hot Chocolate at bed time !!!..So There !!
    Misty
    11th Sep 2013
    5:27pm
    Well 2 more boats arrived today so what do you think of that Particolor?.
    surfer
    12th Sep 2013
    10:02am
    Burn both of them
    particolor
    13th Sep 2013
    7:29pm
    Misty.."Welcome to Tasmania !! Mr and Mrs Leakytub,here is Your first of many Liberal Doles ! Now go forth and Multiply !!"
    Michael
    9th Sep 2013
    7:58pm
    Thanks Kaye for this topic ---here's to the next!
    surfer
    9th Sep 2013
    8:00pm
    OOOOooooo AND the unions are going to have to pay tax. So we might all get a Xmas bonus. Cash will be coming out of our ears. Please attend the large bon fire as we destroy all the boats. (Wooden ones that is) There is a swim race organised from PNG back to Indonesia. Prizes for the ones that make it.
    surfer
    9th Sep 2013
    8:05pm
    Mr. Rudd is zipping off to PNG to collect his kick back. He and his entourage are then off round the world, staying at the Taj mahal and other exotic venues. He does not want Tony to get his hands on all the surplus tax payers cash. Probably going to hide a stash in Switzerland.
    unicorn
    10th Sep 2013
    6:58am
    Oh surfer you are rotten to the core!


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