Amnesty warns companies that profit from torture

Companies running detention centres are profiting from torture: Amnesty

Amnesty warns companies that profit from torture

Human rights organisation Amnesty International released a report yesterday detailing how Spanish multinational Ferrovial and its Australian subsidiary, Broadspectrum (formerly Transfield), are reaping vast profits from Australia’s cruel, secretive and deliberately abusive refugee processing system on Nauru.

Broadspectrum’s $2.5 billion contract with the Federal Government ends in October and Amnesty is warning other firms about the potential damage to their reputation, as well as the legal troubles they may encounter, if they choose to bid for the contract.

In February this year, 17 international criminal law and refugee law academics submitted a case for investigation by the International Criminal Court. It outlined the potential legal liability of Australian officials and company directors for crimes against humanity on Nauru and Manus Island.

Amnesty International’s latest report, Treasure I$land, states that any company looking to provide offshore processing services at Manus Island or Nauru will be complicit in an intentionally and inherently abusive and cruel system in direct contravention of their human rights obligations.

“The Australian Government has [not only] created an island of despair for refugees and people seeking asylum on Nauru, but [also] an island of profit for companies making millions of dollars from a system so deliberately and inherently cruel and abusive it amounts to torture,” said Lucy Graham, Amnesty International’s Researcher on Business and Human Rights.

“By knowingly enabling the continuation of this system, which is specifically designed to cause suffering and deter people from travelling to Australia by boat to seek asylum, Broadspectrum and Ferrovial are unequivocally complicit in this abuse.

“The regime of cruelty at the Refugee Processing Centre on Nauru leaves a stain that no responsible company would want on its conscience or reputation.”

Ferrovial has previously stated that it would not bid for the new contracts when they became available in October, as “they are not part of its strategic business portfolio”.

Along with Ferrovial’s decision not to seek a renewal of its contract, medical services provider International Health and Medical Services (IHMS) was expelled from Manus Island last week, after the PNG government ruled that it was not licensed to practice. It has been replaced by a PNG company, which is providing only basic and emergency medical care.

Opinion: No company should profit from abuse

The Government may be deaf to the calls for closing the offshore detention camps, but businesses are certainly starting to listen, now that they can see the potential for damage to their bottom line.

Transfield Services signalled that running the camps had affected its reputation when it underwent a name change to Broadspectrum. Once Spanish company Ferrovial acquired the Australian business, it made it clear it wanted no part in any control over the camps once the current contract ended.

Once Ferrovial made this announcement, Wilson Security quickly followed suit, saying it would no longer seek to provide security services for the centres beyond its current contract, which ends in October. It also said it had no plans to tender for any further offshore detention services.

These businesses started to take notice after the successful ‘No Business In Abuse’ campaign. That campaign, organised by Get-Up, prompted supporters to email their local councils and request that Broadspectrum not be considered for upcoming contracts.

This latest Amnesty International report should serve as a dire warning for any company thinking about bidding for these services once the Government puts them up for tender.

Profiting from inhumane detention centres for asylum seekers comes at a cost, both to your reputation and your bottom line.

The great news is that grass-roots campaigns for change seem to have driven these companies to address the way they approach these contracts and, while the Government may not be willing to listen, if enough people band together and take action, at least companies will act to protect their shareholders.

The fact that so many companies are seeking to distance themselves from the camps, could force the Government to finally close the camps in October.

Do you think the Government should close the offshore refugee processing centres at Manus Island and Nauru? How would you like to see the situation resolved?

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    HDRider
    6th Apr 2017
    11:14am
    Perhaps amnesty international would be well advised to go to Syria and Saudi Arabia and stir the pot rather than do it in western countries. There's a whole world of torture (real torture) out there and they pick on Australia, to funny.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    12:47pm
    How can you even put the word 'funny' into your sentence about something so serious. Amnesty International are an organization that works to end all suffering of humans, whether it is hear or overseas.
    Oldie84
    6th Apr 2017
    1:12pm
    HD is completely correct. It is 'funny' weird, not HaHa. There is a world of difference between internees on Manus Island and the horrific scenes we see daily from Syria, Africa,Yemen et al.
    Amnesty Int. picks on easy targets. Get real.
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    1:36pm
    musicveg you need to eat some raw red meat and crank up a bit of Metallica to help restore some of those lost brain cells of common sense which have seemingly given way to the condition of Bleeding Heart Syndrome. ...Cheers!
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    1:41pm
    jackyd, why attack me personally? I am voicing my opinions only. You don't know me personally and to suggest I have lost brain cells! How rude!
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    1:48pm
    Now now musicveg, try and get some rest and settle down, maybe a good strong Scotch will help.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    1:59pm
    There you go again jackyd, haven't you got anything better to do than suggest I need to settle down? I think you need to stop attacking people personally and stick to the subject. And I don't need alcohol and don't drink anyway. Just leave me be please.
    Aussiefrog
    6th Apr 2017
    2:00pm
    Totally agree HDRider
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    2:01pm
    Don't mind you having an opinion musicveg but you seem to have an opinion on everyone's opinion which in return borders between ridiculous and pathetic so please expect some banter in return.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    2:07pm
    Nothing wrong with having an opinion on everyone's opinions. But bantering? That is not light hearted fun, what you are doing you are attacking me personally which I do not expect at all. I never attacked you, am I your scapegoat for the day.
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    2:29pm
    musicveg, you have been using terms youself such as ignorant, heartless and don't you get it.
    Now you inform that as well as possibly being vegetarian, you don't use alcohol!
    Have you perhaps considered yourself as being part of the outspoken minority?
    I can only guess the music you play is in the line of " they are coming to take me away ha ha"
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    2:40pm
    Stop assuming anything about me and stick to the subject. I never attacked you personally.
    Gra
    6th Apr 2017
    3:21pm
    You got that right HDRider, Amnesty International only tackle western governments because they know they are soft targets. Brings to mind the Human Rights Commission, all very quiet on the issues that really matter and in the countries where they should be speaking out on human rights issues. When was the last time you heard of them tackling middle eastern countries on genital mutilation or child brides?
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    3:42pm
    Amnesty International like the easy way out, they are not interested in justice where it is evidently needed in those countries you mention.
    HarrysOpinion
    6th Apr 2017
    11:14am
    Judging by what I've seen in documentaries about Manus and Nauru they are not Nazi concentration camps. In fact, the detention camps are constructed in a manner that causes the least harm to people, the detainees are fed, clothed, have roofs over their heads and entertaiment facilities such as TV, acces to telephone and mobile phones. Some detainees are allowed outside the gates of the centre to visit the township regularly. Management of a group of people who abused our border laws is another issue. Resistance, complaints and rebellion from groups of detainees is expected, by hook or crook, after all, they know how to abuse the laws of another country with a 'gang-ho' attitudes. It is sad that they bring children into their lawless idealism but that is what it is. To use the expression of "torture" in describing the conditions in both detention locations is very extreme, hysterical and slanderous. One might as well call all homeless people in Australia as suffering "torture" and all Australian people living in poverty and on welfare as suffering " torture". In many cases the so called "torture" of one's destiny is self-created. just like the detainee's destiny who ended up on Manus and in Nauru. If only they followed the legal process their destiny would have been more promising.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    12:50pm
    Another ignorant comment. These people were fleeing 'torture' seeking refuge and we locked them up! This article is about companies making billions from keeping them locked up not about how the buildings are made and if they are fed or not.
    HarrysOpinion
    6th Apr 2017
    2:03pm
    Lawless, law breakers- Nothing ignorant about that !
    HarrysOpinion
    6th Apr 2017
    2:12pm
    Why shouldn't companies managing refugee detention centres be making a profit? Hope they keep on making profit so they can operate them efficiently. After all, we live in a capitalist economy.
    Rae
    6th Apr 2017
    2:43pm
    Exactly HS and good luck to private enterprise that can get government sponsored income these days. Beats employing our own people to do the deed even if it does cost more. All benefits and no responsibility and using other people's money to do it.
    Gra
    6th Apr 2017
    3:24pm
    Right on every count HS. These so-called asylum seekers claim to be fleeing oppression and torture but judging by their behaviour on Manus and Nauru it is more than likely they are fleeing apprehension for their lawless behaviour in their home country. We certainly don't need them here.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    3:45pm
    Musiveg you seem ti have a "big" heart, well open your home to some of these people at your own expense. the Majority of Australians do not want these so-called refugees nor any of the other economic migrants coming here, claiming to be so.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    3:54pm
    Well niemakawa maybe my heart is a bit bigger than most here. If I had the money I would help more but I am already living below the poverty line. I would prefer they were able to go back to their own country and I am sure a lot of them would too if they could go back and be safe. I understand some are economic refugees but I am more concerned with those fleeing violence.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    3:59pm
    @musiveg, "living below the poverty line". Come up with a better excuse if you can. I doubt none want to return to their country of origin. Their main aim is to get on the "gravy" train here then demand that their multitude of relatives are brought here to enjoy all the freebies.
    grounded
    6th Apr 2017
    11:50am
    I am totally opposed to the billions of dollars of taxpayer funds that are wasted keeping these Islamist 'country shoppers' in the lap of luxury on their Pacific holiday islands. Thoroughly vetted, front door Refugees more than welcome! Let's hope they rot on their Pacific island playgrounds.
    (comment edited by YLC)
    grounded
    6th Apr 2017
    11:58am
    Why did they ever want to leave the safe sanctuary of Indonesia...They were safe there...and in a Muslim country to boot. Indonesia of course doesn't have a 'Centrelink', free medical or the host of other freebies we Australian Infidels dole out...Silly me!
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    12:51pm
    You are heartless. Assuming they are all Islamic is ignorant too.
    grounded
    6th Apr 2017
    1:35pm
    There is no assuming about it 'musicveg'....136 declared Christian and other religions out of 1842 'country shoppers' at January , 2016 - UNHCR reference statistics from both Manus and Nauru.

    That leaves 1700 Islamists....Who is the ignorant one 'musicveg'!

    Amnesty...back in the 60's/70's a top humanitarian and rights organisation...totally partisan and non political...now, a swamp full of leftist malcontents...of every description - determined upon the downfall of Western democracy. Of course you would suggest I am ignorant there also.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    1:43pm
    Amnesty still save a lot of people from suffering. Let's hope you don't need them one day. They are not political they just want to end human suffering.
    HarrysOpinion
    6th Apr 2017
    2:42pm
    The entire Human Rights Charter gives Human Rights to all - including murderers who took away the Human Rights of their VICTIMS to live a full life. - Victims, their families, sons. daughters and friends of the victims are irrelevant. That's Human Rights justice FOR YOU.
    Rob
    6th Apr 2017
    12:00pm
    The other thing that really annoys me is that in return for the safety and facilities provided to them in the camps, they are not expected to provide anything in return. Why arn't these people organised to do the cooking, cleaning and other associated duties.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    12:52pm
    Don't you get it? Companies are making billions by providing all the services, if the refugees did the work then no one else would get paid.
    Rob
    6th Apr 2017
    6:42pm
    Don't care if companies lose a bit of income. Need to get these people off their arses and making a contribution. The middle eastern disease - let's get on westerm welfare.
    fish head
    6th Apr 2017
    12:22pm
    I am very over Amnesty International making hysterical claims.What do they expect done with people who attempt to gatecrash another sovereign country without permission? Send them back to their country of origin (if they will admit a nationality) which will refuse to accept them? Currently they have food, shelter and some medical care. It's not brilliant but it IS survival. They made a choice now they have to live with it.The pity is they dragged the children in with them.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    12:55pm
    Amnesty International is a well respected organization who is only working for human rights and to end abuse. This is about billions of dollars being made from detention centers, similar to prisons in USA. Profit for big business.
    Rob
    6th Apr 2017
    6:45pm
    musicveg - amensty international lost credibility a longtime ago. Them and their other UN cohorts see a growth industry and and making the most of it for themselves.

    6th Apr 2017
    12:44pm
    Well lets give the detainees the ability to return to their country of origin, if things are so bad. Maybe AI should take a look at conditions in some Australian aged care facilities and then compare - and release their findings to the public at large. Sick of these bloody do-gooders belittling what is being done for people who are trying to get into this country uninvited. Maybe AI should put a few of its dollars towards helping out!
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    12:57pm
    The article is about profiting from detention centers, Amnesty International are working to free humans from all suffering, obviously you have never donated to them and investigated their good work.
    Old Dog
    6th Apr 2017
    12:50pm
    It's a damn shame that the 6 people who have made comments so far have not done a little basic research. Not all are Muslim. It is not illegal to seek asylum in another country. It does amount to torture when one is confined to a camp for three + years. Those that are allowed to "wander free of the camp" have been allowed to do so in order comply with the PNG high court ruling that the camp be closed. It has been, only it is now called another name. Australia is spending your money, some 3 billion each year, in order to detain people who have been recognised as refugees, in an attempt to deter others. Consider what that amount of money, YOUR MONEY, could do to the budget bottom line. I expect a hoard of criticism over this. Don't waste your time; the facts speak for themselves.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    1:01pm
    Finally someone speaking sense. Taxpayers money is being spent to help big business make profits from detaining these people, it really does always go back to money making schemes. It would be far cheaper to close the camps and bring them into Australia, because these people are caught in a situation that not one of use would be happy to be in. Making money from desperate people is criminal. Even the war in Syria is about money and politics, which go hand in hand. Many Syrians in Turkey want to go back, many that have already fled to European countries want to go back, it is their homeland, they did not flee their country they fled war. This needs to end.
    Gra
    6th Apr 2017
    3:29pm
    Easy fix there is for those persons coming to Australia who don't have proof of identity to be sent straight back to Indonesia. End of story.
    Leebee
    6th Apr 2017
    3:45pm
    Old dog, these people are queue jumpers. Other genuine refugees have died because these jumped ahead. Many have bypassed other countries to seek asylum here. The government is aware of this and that's the reason they aren't accepted.
    I'd like all the people that want to throw open our doors, to put their money where their mouths are and not expect the rest of us to shoulder the financial burden. It's very easy to do a good deed at the expense of others. Offer to take them in and clothe, feed and educate them at your expense and then I'll be impressed. Funny we never hear any of you putting up!
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    3:49pm
    @Leebee, don't expect them to do such a thing. They open their mouths bit not their homes. Most of the "sympathisers' here and in the wider community have little if any conviction in what they say, only to make them feel good. How selfish is that of them?????????/
    KSS
    6th Apr 2017
    1:00pm
    The people remaining on Manus have choices. They can elect to remain on Manus and make a life there for themselves and their families, they can be selected to transfer to the USA (provided of course their credentials are in order and check out) or they can return to their country of origin with a golden handshake from the Australian tax payer. There are currently 861 being detained on Manus Island and NONE of them are children. Given that the courts in Manus have said the detention centres must close and that the PNG Government may become responsible for these people, why do they think they should get any more than the people of PNG get?
    Amnesty International would do far better to tackle countries where there is systematic endemic violations of human rights like many countries in the Middle East, Somalia, and so on but of course their 'hysterical claims' would gain no traction there. No the soft option of accusing Australia of 'torture' is far more headline grabbing and way more comfortable from the safety of their Eastern Suburbs lounge-rooms.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    1:04pm
    This is not about headline grabbing it is about letting people know that big business are profiting from detaining humans. Amnesty International work all around the world to end human suffering.
    KSS
    6th Apr 2017
    1:40pm
    Pity musicveg you don't understand that 'big business' does not lock anyone up.

    The very last organisation I would call is Amnesty International to end anything. Or have they solved the homelessness suffering in Australia, or the financial suffering of OAPs, or the trauma incurred by victims of sexual abuse and torture in every city in Australia, what about female circumcision in African countries have they ended that too? Or perhaps they have secured the release of every prisoner on death-row round the world?

    No? Then tell me why they are headline grabbing with soft options of 'big business' and Manus Island detainees.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    1:46pm
    They are working on all those issues and more. They can only help so many with limited resources and volunteers. Why not donate so they can do more and check out their website.
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    1:02pm
    Here we go again, same old same old.
    How many on shore detention centres have been closed down since the boats were stopped ? How many deaths at sea since the boats were stopped? How many unveted entries into the country since the boats were stopped? certainly not 50000 as before!
    To go soft again will start it all up as before and the cost will be as before, in the billions.
    Amnesty International lost it's credibility decades ago.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    1:10pm
    How can you say that 'Amnesty International lost it's credibility decades ago' ! They work hard to free people from unjust circumstances, obviously you don't follow their work. For example currently an English citizen is was locked up in Iran whilst visiting family for no reason and Amnesty International are the ones who are trying to free her so she can go back to her husband and kids. A teacher in Tibet is locked up for teaching kids the Tibetan language. The list goes on.
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    1:18pm
    Travel to Iran and not expect trouble and if so expect third parties to bail your out...sound on the edge to me.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    1:06pm
    The article is about profiting from detaining humans! Prisons in the USA work the same way. They lock up people to make money. NO COMPANY SHOULD PROFIT FROM ABUSE, read the article before commenting and jumping to another issue.
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    1:12pm
    Any Company that doesn't make a profit fails...what a stupid argument that these companies profit from abuses...they are there to do a job and they do it very well!
    KSS
    6th Apr 2017
    1:29pm
    Neither the prisons nor the companies running them lock anyone up. The courts do that. The Government does that by legislating laws that are violated. The companies are like any other company they employ people and are entitled to make a profit.

    Making a profit is not a crime nor a violation of anyone's rights.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    1:37pm
    How do you know they do the job well jackyd? I realize that courts and governments lock people up, what I was saying is it right for any company to make money from locking people up? They may have a right to make profits but is it morally right?
    KSS
    6th Apr 2017
    1:42pm
    They are not charities. Nor are they Government departments. Of course it is fine to make a profit.
    Gra
    6th Apr 2017
    3:34pm
    What a stupid comment. People are locked up in prisons for committing crimes. Poor musicveg so blinkered the truth just cannot be seen. Would you operate a business without any intention of making a profit? Then again, perhaps with your views you would. It sounds like musicveg would be quite happy for any and all law breakers to be free to roam the streets do as they will with no fear of incarceration.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    3:44pm
    Don't assume what I would be happy with, there are already law breakers roaming our streets every day and always have been. Our justice system is too lenient for what matters like violent crimes. Not one reasonable answer to what can be done except send them back which is impossible if their country is ravaged with war. How would you feel?
    Not a Bludger
    6th Apr 2017
    3:34pm
    What absolute nonsense.

    As usual, these leftie do-gooder groups go for the easy target - why don't they try, say, Chechnya or at a pinch Central African Republic or Congo or at a further pinch northern Nigeria, let alone having a go at remoter parts of Turkey or better Iran.

    These people on Manus and Nauru have no rights to Australia and most do not want them here.

    Nick off Amnesty International and stop your (often violent) identity targeting and leave good companies alone.

    Worse, however, is that this opinion piece trumpets the views of the editors which, once again, are singularly to the extreme left - what about some balance in this outfit.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    5:10pm
    Amnesty International have been criticised many times by Western Governments for its biased reporting. NGO's such as AI funded by Soros am I right??
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    5:43pm
    Yes correct niemakawa, and that nasty Soros is also behind Getup, the undermining of Trump, and Black Lives Matter.
    Says it all about AI.
    Not a Bludger
    6th Apr 2017
    5:43pm
    Yes, niemakawa except that I don't think that AI is technically an NGO - but no matter, SOB Soros does fund them - extraordinary.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    3:39pm
    Have no time for Amnesty International I think they are the ones abusing the system financially. Stop calling these people refugees, they are not. They arrived illegally paying for the privilege and leaving a safe country to embark on a trip to Australia. These illegals are so ungrateful for the care they are receiving from Australia pending re-settlement elsewhere. Yes, clear the Island by all means but send them all back to whence they came, they are not wanted or needed in this Country. Amnesty International spreading "fake news" as usual.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    3:47pm
    Which safe country are you talking about Syria? Amnesty uses their resources to save people who have been mistreated etc. There are many examples on their website of people who are suffering form being imprisoned without trials.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    3:52pm
    @musiveg Amnesty use their resources to save their own skin. As I said most of what they say and publish is "fake news". And you believe what you read on their website, how naive.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    3:55pm
    How do you know this, I am interested?
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    4:01pm
    @musiveg like you ,through webistes and other sources. Seek and will will find.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    4:31pm
    @musiveg. most came via Indonesia. 50,000 plus illegals arrived by boat 2007-2013. They may have originally came from the ME but were living in Indonesia. The doors were opened by Labor and they seized the opportunity to take their chance. The boats were rightly stopped by Mr Abbott and any illegals who have arrived since have been told that they will not be re-settled in Australia. Offshore detention centres work in the best interest of our country. Australia first. Find out how the war in Syria started and how it escalated.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    5:09pm
    My question was related to Amnesty International, how do you know they publish fake news, can you point me to a website?

    I already know the facts about illegal immigrants and about Syria. My point is what are we supposed to do about those who now may regret or not regret seeking refuge and are stuck at Manus and Nauru? I would like to hear some sensible solutions not just 'send them back to where they came from' as this may not be possible in many circumstances.Keeping them open is only viable for the companies running them not taxpayers.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    5:13pm
    @musiveg. We already have a sensible solution in place- Detention Centres. Just accept it.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    5:19pm
    How long are they to remain in detention? This is not a real solution. It is costing taxpayers money.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    5:24pm
    @musiveg until everyone check has been completed and verified . These people need to be patient. It is not only a real solution but the best solution. Accept it.

    6th Apr 2017
    5:00pm
    Sure, let's close the camps on Nauru and Manus and let the illegal immigrants roam free in Australia without any checks to see if they constitute a threat to our safety. These people could very well be genuine refugees just as easily as they could be terrorists disguised as refugees.

    NOTE: The people on Nauru and Manus are illegal immigrants as they attempted to enter Australia without a valid visa. They paid people smugglers to help them enter illegally.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    5:12pm
    Yes we do need to be aware some may not be genuine refugees and do do thorough checks but what can we do with the ones who are stuck at Nauru and Manus, this is costing money for taxpayers whilst earning money for those companies running the place. Any solutions other than
    'send them back'? because that may not be possible for a lot of them.
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    5:15pm
    To everyone who does not agree with my comments, I am seeking answers without causing more suffering of innocent victims of war. Are many of us decendant's of those who also suffered from war and economic hardships as well as near starvation? Could our ancestors have been sent back? Maybe some did go back? What is the solution?
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    5:21pm
    Offshore detention and processing centres is the best solution,not only here in Australia but elsewhere. Many people are deserting and abandoning their homelands and claiming refugee status when clearly they are not refugees. There is no torture in Australian controlled detention centres and for AI to indicate differently is purely 'fake news". Why can you not accept this as a solution?
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    6:10pm
    musicveg is like a cracked rock n roll record and I'm about to choke on my pork chops with these twaterspheric comments.
    War is apart of the Human Condition since organisms crawled from the slime and war will continue into the future. Most of our decendants actually stuck around and took up the fight either to stand tall or be struck down, nevertheless, defend to the death if need be.
    I would do the same now in my own house, particularly against the violence of the African gangs at the moment! (Oh what was that about refugees )
    musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    6:16pm
    twaterspheric???
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    6:20pm
    Yes, if you stick your head up higher enough you'll find it on that planet you're on!
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    6:30pm
    It may well be a better place than earth to live, half your luck musicveg, you can have it all on your own.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    6:43pm
    @Jackyd. African warriors no more, they prefer the comforts of our benefit system. Africa was once a beautiful continent and I visited a number of countries and had wonderful experiences. Sadly the decline started when they became "independent" from the "shackles" of the so-called colonialism by the British, French, Portuguese, Dutch, Spanish, Belgiums. Many Africans themselves wish that they were still. Millions of Africans today fleeing countries instead of staying and fighting for their survival as a Nation. Uprooting them and placing them in totally different environments has brought resentment among many Africans and violent gangs have evolved out of frustration. Let the Europeans once again have a strong local influence in African nations, today then they will flood back to their homelands like a homing pigeon. Mass immigration of Africans, most being muslim, to Australia and elsewhere will create ongoing and unsolvable problems for years and generations to come.
    justme
    6th Apr 2017
    6:18pm
    It may not be a good situation, but without suggesting a better way it's just a whinge.
    Same applies to so many self proclaimed modern day social experts.
    Just a bit off topic I politely told a federal pollie today that they weren't listening to pensioners and retirees, and we were no longer listening to them.
    Sick of being lectured.
    dowdy
    6th Apr 2017
    8:36pm
    I find it very sad that people are repeating misinformation, and the denigrating those who are speaking the truth. The people on Nauru and Manus have done nothing wrong - they have not committed any crime. Their only mistake was to believe and pay people smugglers. Our government has stated that they have done this to stop people drowning at sea. We have no idea if people are till drowning coming to Australia, and don't know how many people drowned when being turned back by our navy. They are not queue jumpers - there never was a queue. They have been deemed to be genuine refugees, and have fled the threat of torture and death. The danger still exists - have you heard of what is happening in Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries they have fled from? The people there can leave the camp, but are not welcomed by the inhabitants and are being beaten and raped. Many more people arrive in Australia by plane, and apply for asylum and are not locked away in detention camps (jails). Many other countries welcome refugees - look at Canada, Germany and our neighbour New Zealand - why can't we?
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    8:59pm
    So why does our Government still maintain diplomatic relations and trade with those countries that you mention? Because there is no real danger that's the reason. Anyone arriving in Australia by plane without valid documents are either immediately returned or placed in detention centres, as they should be. Whether they drown at sea or not is their problem, they made the wrong choice. They arrived from a safe country so they have no right to claim asylum in Australia. Canada and Germany are not good examples to follow, the problems in these countries with mainly economic migrants is beyond belief. Better that all displaced people be held in offshore detention centres to determine their credentials before being accepted in a third country. Our Government should not have allowed the children to leave the centres on Manus Island as this will only give grounds for the adults being held there ( correctly) to force their way into this country.
    KSS
    6th Apr 2017
    9:02pm
    We do accept refugees dowdy ans on a per capita basis are right up there on the world table.
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    9:14pm
    Done nothing wrong!!!...
    They knew exactly what they were doing....how do you think they got to and lived in Indonesia while waiting for their favourite people smuggler to get them to welfare paradise....
    With passports and other ID in place but all that went overboard by the time the Australian Navy towed them to Christmas Island along with the many none Muslims and women and children that didn't quite make it on those rigity boats.
    There is a queue in reference namely the Australian Immigration and refugee program, that's the queue.
    If people arrive by plane they must have a relevant visa otherwise they do not go anywhere.
    Australia also welcomes refugees via protocol. ...
    Another softy!
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    9:20pm
    @jackyd, softy I prefer to call them snowflakes they're falling all over the place year round. Most are the NIMBY type and ideologists with one aim to bring down Western civilisation . AI is such a group as are most NGO's. They care less about these so-called refugees than their own inflated egos. NGO's create huge problems but want others to clear up their mess. Won't work the melting has begun.
    jackyd
    6th Apr 2017
    9:29pm
    Care full using the term " snowflake " on this forum niemakawa....I used it not so long ago only to have it edited out by the editor. ..must have been perceived to be some kind of racist term with most snowflakes being white and all...but where I come from most snowflakes melt before they hit the ground, a bit like some people as you refer.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    9:48pm
    @jackyd Snowflake is a term used for softies of all colours. They do not live in the real world. BTW racists also come in all colours, although the term seems to be wrongly directed towards white people.
    ghoti
    6th Apr 2017
    11:23pm
    As dowdy points out, many of the refugees are from Afghanistan and Iraq, which happen to be countries Australia has illegally invaded. George W. Bush, Blair, Howard etc lied through their teeth before effectively destroying both countries. The West, which includes Australia, is doing the same in Syria. I think we have an obligation to assist refugees fleeing the carnage for which we are partly responsible - I'm appalled at the cruel simplistic solutions offered by most contributors to this thread.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    11:27pm
    @ghoti. Likewise I am appalled at your summation of events.
    MICK
    6th Apr 2017
    11:29pm
    Are you a human rights lawyer Ben? Sounds like it as you are pushing the 'poor people' bandwagon.
    Australia cannot open the floodgates again. Please find another solution other than that as we both know that many of those in these camps are not refugees but rather people fleeing countries of poverty to the land of milk and honey where you get paid and have money thrown at you for doing nothing. We don't need more people like that here and the camps will deter people from coming. Not pretty, not what they wanted but the message is clear. We want productive people who do not have toxic religions they ram down our throats whilst at the same time demanding their own laws which are different from the rest of the nation.
    Sorry for not being sympathetic. I am.....but Australians do not want what other parts of the planet have. Once we do it is too late.
    niemakawa
    6th Apr 2017
    11:31pm
    Very clear and to the point.
    Ginaus
    7th Apr 2017
    12:30am
    Amnesty International, why don't you run the bloody camps yourselves - in the next safest country from the war zones... and shut your bloody trap up ....
    niemakawa
    7th Apr 2017
    12:31am
    I like it.
    JAID
    7th Apr 2017
    6:08pm
    It seems likely to me that treatment in these centres aims at being humane if locking people up can ever be classed as that.

    First, we have a community which welcomes people from all over the world but demands orderly entry. Then we have a history of abuse and death at sea in the rush to get here by other than orderly means.

    There is a sense in which the government has no choice but to find a mechanism able to provide what we demand, orderly, measured intake and no abuse and loss at sea.

    Yet, any caring, freedom loving person must be able to see that detainment centres are harmful whether or not they attempt to be or are "humane." Our humanity and the honour with which we hold liberty must have us seek better solutions to the two key mandates we require of government.

    We must keep the leaking boats and the profiteering in the misery of others at bay. It is also entirely reasonable that the people decide on what may be a satisfactory level of intake. So what are the solutions?

    The protection of the international community is vital. I have written here on the form of that in the past.Bringing home home-country responsibility is essential and as hard as it does sound, all aid must encourage individual responsibility and this especially in regard to population growth and the foundational relationship sustenance plays in the equation.
    cdbstock
    8th Apr 2017
    11:57am
    H D Rider
    Well said
    Another argument:
    The 'torture', as far as I know (we don't know - government secrecy) is from inmates - other asylum seekers - those perpetrators should be sent back to their counties of origin. Those asylum seekers feeling tortured by the operators of Manus detention centre have the choice of returning (at gov't expense) to their countries of origin.
    However, the contractors must be held liable for any physical/mental torture on inmates under their control
    old frt
    8th Apr 2017
    7:56pm
    If really concerned why not volunteer to help A/I overseas in real situations of HR violations. Another case of not being able to see the forest because of all the trees, that is real torture & abuse of real refuges not queue jumpers who do wish to divulge their true identity, something to hide maybe.
    niemakawa
    8th Apr 2017
    9:12pm
    AI use the word torture expecting people to believe their lies. Yes they should go to places like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iraq where actual torture is occurring. AI is just another mouthpiece for the Globalists and the organisation is a mere political pawn in the game. I will never donate to their cause.
    Adrianus
    10th Apr 2017
    11:21am
    Musicveg, I refer to your post below.
    You are obviously not aware that they are all free to go whenever they wish?
    That's right, all so called refugees can pack up and go and Australia will give them free travel as well.
    Musicveg
    6th Apr 2017
    12:50pm

    Another ignorant comment. These people were fleeing 'torture' seeking refuge and we locked them up! This article is about companies making billions from keeping them locked up not about how the buildings are made and if they are fed or not.
    musicveg
    10th Apr 2017
    2:16pm
    Go where? Back to their own countries which they fled some from persecution, war and torture? Maybe a few are not genuine but surely the Government can work that out and send those ones back.
    Adrianus
    10th Apr 2017
    2:25pm
    That is the point music. They have discarded their id papers which makes it almost impossible to identify them. I know of no test which will can profile and identify a terrorist.
    We can only rely on the skill of our government and law enforcement agencies to do the job we pay them to do. But you may be able to show us how it could be done? I don't know?
    musicveg
    10th Apr 2017
    2:29pm
    Yes I agree it is complicated, maybe why the Government leaves them in Manus and Nauru because they really don't know what to do. I believe we have to worry more about terrorists who already live in our own country. The most dangerous muslim women who promotes ISIS in England was once an English born white punk rock singer.
    niemakawa
    10th Apr 2017
    2:32pm
    Frank, a good enough reason not to let them in to Australia as they do not have any ID papers. Funny is that because as soon as illegals arrive here they are given far too much taxpayers' funds no ID necessary. Then they have the audacity to demand that relatives be given the green light to come here. Those receiving our money in the first class hotels on Manus did not come direct from a so-called war torn country but had been living in Indonesia, a safe country. Send them back to Indonesia. Not wanted here and I care not about one of them. Liars and cheats they are.
    niemakawa
    10th Apr 2017
    2:37pm
    @musiveg, muslims come in all colours, don't be racist. Islam is the danger for us all.
    musicveg
    10th Apr 2017
    2:42pm
    Okay maybe I should have said Islamic woman not Muslim, sorry to offend anyone. I am not racist. I was simply stating a fact.
    niemakawa
    10th Apr 2017
    3:01pm
    @musiveg, your post certainly did not offend me only your reply. Why do you have to say sorry, you have done nothing wrong. Call a spade a spade and be sensible don't let the PC brigade overwhelm you. Stop being so sensitive, your enemy )ies) will see this as a weakness.
    Adrianus
    11th Apr 2017
    8:29am
    I think many people are not aware of the difference between an "Asylum Seeker" and a "Refugee."
    I wouldn't be afraid of the Human Rights Commission if I were you music, they may not exists in the future. It has become a political lobbyist group like the ABC.