Australians think the country is full enough: survey

Aussies think we have enough people, but not for the reasons one might first assume.

Australians think the country is full enough: survey

Do you think Australia has enough people?

That was the question posed by the Australian National University (ANU) in a poll conducted in late 2018, the results of which have recently been published.

The ANUPoll, Big Australia, small Australia, diverse Australia: Australia’s views on population surveyed 2167 Australians in late 2018 and it found that more than two thirds of Australians do not think Australia needs more people.

When asked “The Australian population is now a little over 25 million … do you think Australia needs more people?” 30.4 per cent of the respondents answered ‘yes’ – a decline of about 15 per cent since 2010.

However, the reasons most commonly given for not increasing Australia’s population were not ones associated with racism or xenophobia, as one might assume. Instead, cited as catalysts for knocking back migrants were: cities being overcrowded, the high cost of housing, and the need to support the training of Australian residents rather than importing skilled people from overseas.

“Nearly nine out of 10 people nominated the cost of housing being too high as a reason for not increasing Australia’s population, while 84 per cent of people said that cities are too crowded and there is too much traffic,” said lead researcher Associate Professor Nicholas Biddle.

“People also expressed concerns about the impact of population growth on the environment.”

In fact, reasons associated with possible xenophobia or racism received the lowest agreement.

“Indeed, there were more people who said that “Having more people means more cultural diversity” was a reason for increasing Australia’s population than those who listed too much cultural diversity as a reason against population growth,” said Prof. Biddle.

“The policy and social context will always influence Australians’ views on population growth. Most people are now supportive of cultural diversity as a by-product of population growth. On the other hand, geopolitics, defence and population pressures overseas are less likely to factor into someone’s decision than they might have in the past.

“Australians are more likely to support population growth if it increases our skills base, mitigates the impacts of an ageing population and increases our economic prosperity.

“But they do not want population growth to cause crowding, affordability or job security issues, nor at the expense of our natural environment.”

People with higher levels of education and foreign-born residents were more likely to support a bigger population, as were Greens voters. Coalition voters showed the lowest support and Labor voters were in between.

Do you think Australia has enough people? Why?

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    Julian
    16th Jan 2019
    10:19am
    As expected, the usual lefty terms used to shut down debate include "racism" and "xenophobia". "Racism" and religionism to coin the word, are entirely different however are used deliberately for the above. It would seem that Australians have long gotten over the false guise of being a country of racists. There are many underlying concerns: security, safety, economics (welfare) erosion of our culture....all of which are conveniently swept under the carpet through our patronising politicians who have no other interests but their own.

    It'll be interesting to see where this thread goes.
    imac
    16th Jan 2019
    11:39am
    Very true and well said.
    Anonymous
    16th Jan 2019
    11:44am
    ditto
    jackie
    16th Jan 2019
    12:02pm
    Julian...It's greed, corruption and crime that want population growth NOT ordinary Australians.

    They don't benefit from population growth and it's costs.

    The buildings that are being slapped up everywhere are built purely for profit. There is nothing environmental about them.

    Our Governments complain about lack of Australian money for infrastructure problems.

    Yet don't hesitate to waste money on themselves and avoid taking tax from corporations and the rich.

    Today's immigration is purely based on driving Australian wages and work conditions down and increasing the cost of services for those that are benefitting from population growth.
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    12:09pm
    Very true, Julian. Open discussion of issues is not hate or any -ism - it is a right in a free democracy. Jackie is correct..... I notice the galactically stupid Gina has shut up - perhaps she was stunned to be told that if she wanted to employ Africans on $2 a day she could move to Africa and leave her holdings behind ... and contest with the local warlords etc...
    MICK
    16th Jan 2019
    1:00pm
    Correct Julian. This is the hand of big business trying to create a big market so that more business can be created and thrive. This is all that is wrong in our country.
    Have you noticed how WHENEVER a 'population' debate is held it is either ignored or suppressed. Dick Smith has tried a couple of times. Zip. The media never takes it to the next step. I wonder why.
    Troubadour
    16th Jan 2019
    2:18pm
    Agree and agree also with Jackie.
    we have overcrowded roads and suburbs already,
    and not enough jobs for those already here.
    Adrianus
    16th Jan 2019
    4:25pm
    MICK, you obviously did not read the above article. People with higher levels of education and foreign-born residents were more likely to support a bigger population, as were Greens voters. Coalition voters showed the lowest support and Labor voters had nothing in between. MICK if you are a Coalition voter then you are uneducated. It is not big business who wants higher immigration, it is the intellectual elite and those who want their families and friends here.
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    5:08pm
    People with higher education:- (with the exception of my good self and a few others here) read - "indoctrinated"

    Foreign born residents - speaks for itself - in English or whatever...

    Let's not get carried away with 'higher education' - many such are not grown beyond infancy... as they say often about soldiers and the like - they actually never grow beyond the age of eighteen or so. similarly with 'educated' people - they go from school to uni etc, and often rarely glimpse the real world out there.

    Education has its limits - and over-education for the sake of it is downright disastrous... if you doubt me - look around you at the 'expert' opinions doing the rounds....
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Jan 2019
    6:57pm
    Adrianus, I have a PhD and totally agree with Mick.
    Adrianus
    17th Jan 2019
    12:49pm
    I don't think anyone would think for a moment that a PhD makes one intelligent. But it may make a person sound intelligent. My point is that, the article eludes to an opinion based on the premise.. "if you don't want higher immigration then you may not be educated", or, "Coalition voters are the least educated?"
    GeorgeM
    17th Jan 2019
    10:44pm
    Julian and jackie, both correct.
    Unfortunately both Major parties (and of course, the Greens) want more migration - one to help big business, and the other to get more voters!
    The people are being ignored, especially those concerned about jobs unavailability here, as well as those concerned about our main Christian-based culture being downgraded or even demonised. We need our Govt to stop accepting refugees from unsuitable cultures, but first they need to stop accepting the stupid UN rules.
    The UN also needs to wake up and stop promoting cultural discord in member countries, and start acting (a useless, toothless body now) to lead physical intervention in countries which cause refugees to flee thus stopping the problems at source.
    floss
    16th Jan 2019
    10:29am
    Populate and perish just about sum up the problem if climate change is on the way the last thing you need is more people.We are the driest continent in the world and we are running out of water,try thinking about the next generation for once and not about our selves.
    KB
    16th Jan 2019
    11:36am
    The world is over populated regardless of Australia The world does not have any the resources to cope with any more babies being born. We are running out of water globally not just Australia and food will become a problem due to climate change. Sending people out to regional is a no .There are a lack of doctors and jobs in country areas .Fo me its about our finite resources not racism
    jackie
    16th Jan 2019
    11:51am
    KB....It's true but there is a strong denial that the world is overpopulated. Australia is not a continent designed by mother nature for large population growth. That is the reason why it's original inhabitants were semi nomadic because they were aware of this for thousands of years.

    Greed, crime and corruption will persuade you to believe we need population growth. Photos and movies of our past and compare them to now. They don't lie.
    World Prophet
    16th Jan 2019
    2:08pm
    In Australia we don't necessarily have an acute shortage of water, but rather a shortage in certain places and no infrastructure to solve this issue. Whilst storm water is held back in Queensland in a virtually unregulated way, downstream river systems are being deprived of flow and are virtually dying. Environmental flows are crucially important, and water users should only be allowed to take what is in excess of the environmental flow required, and then on a regulated way that distributes the water evenly. water retention by large users has disrupted the normal flow in many waterways. Eventually Australia will be forced to pump desalinated water inland, in order to make up what is being ripped out of the systems. Increasing the cost of water would make users develop more ecologically sustainable irrigation practices, and pay for infrastructure solutions. In other words, curb the greed and corruption.
    Triss
    16th Jan 2019
    6:13pm
    You’re so right, Floss, and for some reason folk seem to completely forget about water. Also more people coming in cause housing estates to be built on prime food producing land so we’re less able to provide food for those extra people. We’ll be pushed into importing food and that’s a stairway to disaster and ill health.
    jaycee1
    17th Jan 2019
    9:59am
    Arrived in Australia over 45 years ago and can remember the experts then saying that Australia could not support more than 20 million without it causing all sorts of problems. Well they were right. The only problem is that NO ONE in government [regardless of which side is in power] is willing to do anything about it.
    A start would be in stopping the Family reunion scheme - if you come here legally or otherwise YOU and ONLY you are accepted - NO OTHER family members. Do what we had to do! You want to see your family, YOU go and visit them in whatever part of the world you like EXCEPT Australia. They want to come to Australia it's for visits only!
    We should be shutting the doors completely for at least 5 years [10's better] FIX the problems we have here and ONLY then look at if we need any immigrants.[after comparing births with deaths and setting a population limit that we DO NOT go over]

    The standard of living has dropped dramatically since we first arrived and it is a fallacy that there are not enough people to fill the jobs available. 99% of the time Australians aren't even offered them.
    Yes, a lot need to be trained but that was what apprenticeships and traineeships were for - very few are offered these days as the emphasis is on going to Uni.
    Why! Most of those coming out of uni are still out of work 3 -5 years later because they are not getting degrees in subjects that will get them work.
    There will always be a need for manual workers, mechanics, plumbers etc and this is what should be being pushed at school. Stop promoting going to uni as the end all, be all. It isn't for a lot of people.
    Andy Leucite
    16th Jan 2019
    10:58am
    Bravo or brava, floss. I was surprised that extra stress on our dry and delicate environment did not seem to rate a mention in the article as a reason for keeping our total population about where it is now, even if one ignores Climate Change, which of course will just make things worse. We are struggling for water, we have huge waste disposal problems, our soils are ancient and in many cases infertile, arable and productive land is being gobbled up for residential and other development, and no amount of appeal to smart scientists and technologists (as clever as they are) seems the least bit likely to solve these problems. I speak as an earth scientist and someone who has some insight into how delicate our continent is and how much it has already been abused. On the the other, let's not use a sorely-needed population cap to exclude certain races, and cultures at the whim of xenophobes.
    KB
    16th Jan 2019
    11:43am
    Andy well said .My ex husband farmed land that was arid and dry One year we did not plant seeds as there was no rain. Other people planted and ended up with bad crops Having good crops depends on rain. We need people like you in Parliament who understand the environment and the implication of climate change for laa
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    12:17pm
    No problem with 'xenophobes', Andy - as long as 'we' only select quality instead of quantity. Again it is not an -ism or a phobia to wish open discussion of issues encompassing all views fairly - for a change.

    BTW - I've long advocated that 'we' Lock the Gates for much the same reasons as you cite... - and we simply cannot save them all.

    Sad though it is, Nature has its way of controlling over-population....

    My concern is for the Living - not for the Walking Dead..... and I want my grand-children to grow up in a nation of genuine opportunity and genuine equality and fair play, and in which their talents can prosper alongside the nation.
    purplejan88
    16th Jan 2019
    11:09am
    Lack of infrastructure when building all these new estates out of metropolitan areas and in some cases even in metro areas is cause for concern. you cannot keep adding more housing and people if you don't upgrade infrastructure. would like to see job guarantee for all unemployed and underemployed people already here before bringing more in.
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    12:20pm
    Yup - my views exactly - as I've said many times here and elsewhere. Without reliable and affordable infrastructure - which includes many things other than transport corridors etc - urban sprawl becomes just a jungle. High rise equally becomes a jungle......

    Did a survey for NSW Labor coupla days ago - as usual I told them straight where they are going wrong.
    Drewbie
    16th Jan 2019
    11:48am
    Purplejan88 has it pretty much perfectly right when it comes to immigration going forward. " Infrastructure " is the key word here. More importantly, " enough adequate infrastructure " for all Australians to enable ' quality of lifestyle '.

    This includes a plethora of requirements which past, current & future Governments, both State & specifically federal are too cowardly to see & let alone accept the " decades long-term vision " required for national prosperity.

    Know where to look & you will discover numerous, & I do stress numerous , reports, ideas & " Nation-Building projects " similar to Australia's iconic Snowy Mountain Scheme, that if built would provide massive long-term employment over many years & ultimately cause Australia to gain an equal footing on the ' global respect stage ' similar to the likes of Germany, U.K. France, U.S.A. etc.

    Other nations would come begging to us for our expertise in doing likewise in their Countries, instead of the reverse order.
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    12:24pm
    Elsewhere, Drewbie, we've had a bloke promoting a water transfer from the Northern rivers of NSW to inland... and of course my humble self promoting the GAIA Mks I & II, which incorporate opening up Lake Eyre to the sea, and separately developing iron processing and shipbuilding etc in the Kimberley region, with full infrastructure run by alternatives as much as possible, including North Shelf gas...

    Too big a bite for politicians whose only dream is to continue to be elected to the gravy train so they can pursue their petty ideologies to the detriment of some while claiming to promote the best for all... that is - BOTH 'sides' of the Tag Team.
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    12:29pm
    Also - I read some years back about the Murray-Darling system and the root causes of its never-ending saga of destruction. Often the root causes (pardon the near pun) are the kinds of crops that are put in upstream, that require far too much water and suck the basin dry long before it gets to down south... then there is rising salinity from over-irrigation... and the reality that despite bribes being offered to control and limit irrigation usage - the vast majority of farmers using it have not even installed gauges to measure their usage.

    Having flown over the bottom end of the Murray Darling system and looked down - I saw a moonscape and it took me a minute or so to work out it was.......... salinity .....

    So the answer may not be in putting more water into that system from the East (etc)..... it might just have to be a cut-back on usage entirely, which too many would be eating a sacred cow.... doing a Homer Simpson with the Stone Cutters parchment relic ....
    jaycee1
    17th Jan 2019
    10:08am
    Drewbie, The key world here in your " decades long-term vision " is decades.
    NO government, state or federal of either persuasion are going to look at anything that will not be completed during their term in government.
    None of them are willing to start a project like the 'Snowy' because whoever is in government when it finishes is the one who will get credit for it and as all of them are egocentric maniacs they couldn't handle that.
    There are only a couple of countries today whose governments actually govern for the benefit of the people rather than for the egos of the government in power at the moment.
    Australia certainly ISN'T one of them!
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    12:05pm
    Heard this on the ABraCadabra yesterday .. they cited housing costs etc..... not racism etc.

    Who was it that suggested that if the big cities such as El Cidney and Malbadishu were getting too crowded ..... build a new city El Swhere...?
    Pushkin2
    16th Jan 2019
    12:30pm
    Sadly, a poll of this readership would produce no other result. A poll of a wider audience would likely produce a different result. Why can't old age be a joy rather than a licence for angst, bitterness and resentment.
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    1:14pm
    This wasn't a poll of this readership group - it was an ANU poll.
    Triss
    16th Jan 2019
    6:24pm
    The bitterness comes from the number of bitter pills various governments have forced down the throats of our elderly, Pushkin2.
    Retired Knowall
    17th Jan 2019
    9:23am
    https://qz.com/1364683/australia-needs-a-population-policy-and-it-shouldnt-focus-only-on-numbers/
    For those that find article difficult to understand, ask your carer to explain.

    16th Jan 2019
    12:30pm
    Labor would increase immigration levels 10 fold not to mention bringing back the boats
    And the people they bring in are the ones with a welfare mentality - perfect lifelong labor voters
    Nascar.
    16th Jan 2019
    2:39pm
    Rubbish.
    Anonymous
    16th Jan 2019
    2:42pm
    Yes you are
    Poppysmum
    16th Jan 2019
    3:45pm
    I wish I could find your profile somewhere......you're quite obviously not a Lothario....just a Right Wing (I won't go on...you can guess the rest)…...
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Jan 2019
    7:01pm
    Lothario is a Rightard moron and liar. Trolling for his beloved Lieberal Party vermin.
    Jim
    16th Jan 2019
    7:52pm
    Yes knows-a-lot, you can tell you are a highly intelligent commentator with a PhD no less, and with great and thoughtful comments, surely you must have been a great English teacher or someone teaching fine prose, it’s no wonder our children are so gifted with educators like you to guide them, who was it you voted for again, with such intelligence we would be fools not follow you.
    Retired Knowall
    17th Jan 2019
    9:25am
    Knows a Lot has fine tuned his intellect, knowing more and more about less and less until now he knows Everything about Nothing.
    ex PS
    17th Jan 2019
    12:00pm
    Tell a big enough lie enough times and people will eventually start to believe it. Right out of the fascist handbook.
    I believe all of the ALP politicians are getting boat licences so they can captain the boats themselves. The ALP are considering building a bridge from Indonesia to Australia that will only be used by those who have established and extensive criminal records so as to pollute the blood of righteous Right minded citizens and turn them into Welfare Cheats.
    Some people are hilarious and don't even know it. Thank goodness these claims are so outlandish people just have a giggle and move on. They certainly work against the Liberal Party.
    Misty
    21st Jan 2019
    11:46am
    You had me wondering there for a minute ex PS, I thought it was you making those ridiculous comments, I don't know who dreams them up, mischief makers obviously, who wouldn't know the truth if it stared them in the face.
    SFR
    16th Jan 2019
    12:49pm
    Dick Smith has been commenting on this for 9 years but the politicians don't listen or care. Politicians narrow minded answer is that we need more migrants because of our aging population, so it's our fault for getting old & retiring.
    This is the link to DS comments on population
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W12MbEdKGM
    Maybe we should adopt the citizenship policy that Thailand have. 100 foreigners a year are granted citizenship, & you must be fluent in the Thai language as well as other tests. This helps to preserve its culture & people. Any other foreigner must have a visa or they are deported from where they came from. No residency without a visa & you have to report to immigration every 90 days or your visa is cancelled & you are deported.
    SFR
    16th Jan 2019
    1:06pm
    And there is no welfare in Thailand, not even for the Thais.
    invisible sock
    16th Jan 2019
    2:14pm
    There is no chance of the Thai system would be relative down here - we don't have any culture to preserve.
    Julian
    16th Jan 2019
    6:30pm
    And thus the reason why we should leave the UN
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Jan 2019
    7:03pm
    "we don't have any culture to preserve"

    Rubbish! Think of Australian artists for a start.
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    8:43pm
    So culture is now only an attribute of those handed 'accredited victim status' in our society? Everyone else but (wait for it) The White Man has a 'culture'.... even a stick slinging Aboriginal bush-burning kangaroo killer has a 'culture' - so we're told... an Ay-rab arriving here with seven wives and an FGM kick has 'culture'... molesting boys in swimming pools during a 'sexual emergency' is a 'cultural difference' .... but somehow the poor old Aussie has no such thing as a culture.....

    Oh, well.. back to the drawing board....
    Jim
    16th Jan 2019
    9:31pm
    Yes Trebor, I am not a big fan of Pauline Hanson, but I agree with her, it’s ok to be white, and it’s not too bad being a male.
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    11:36pm
    White Lives Matter?
    strikey
    16th Jan 2019
    1:06pm
    For at least 50 years Australia has endorsed the visionless policy of covering our most productive agricultural land with 1/4 acre slabs of concrete. So it's not surprising our cities are overcrowded, stuffed and the people have had enough. Absolute greed has built the quagmires that now exist in Melbourne and Sydney. I am glad I escaped those dreadful places 40 years ago.

    With vision we could have built world class futuristic cities on the millions of square kilometres of unproductive land that we are blessed with.......... but we have no vision.
    Adrianus
    16th Jan 2019
    1:36pm
    Last year we had about 300,000 births and approximately 150,000 deaths. While many countries are encouraging citizens to have more babies we are newborn positive. So why are we negating that result by the immigration of more adults?
    I would think that if we slowed immigration by 75% and at the same time increased inbound tourism, then we would be in a much stronger position economically. We need the babies to get into work and pay for our welfare dependency.
    I really do feel for countries like Norway whose government is running tv ads promoting childbirth.
    Adrianus
    18th Jan 2019
    8:30am
    The Danes ads, "do it for mum" and "do it forever" seem to be promoting sex. I guess that's where it all starts, but it certainly emphasises the desperation to have a well balanced demographic in a welfare dependent economy.
    travelman
    16th Jan 2019
    1:36pm
    Population growth? Yes we need more but we have had governments both State and Federal over the last 60 years who have so mismanaged this nation and it's future that I liken it to a man who varnished a floor and found that he had varnished himself into a corner with the doorway on the other side of the room. Government after government have never seriously looked to the future in every area of our existence; size of cities, rural, rivers, manufacturing, roads, rail, our dollar value and so much, much, much more and now we are paying the price of their folly. We can get out of this mess but who will be the leader, who will take up the challenge? I live in S A and we had a Premier, Don Dunstan who had a vision of a new city south of Adelaide. Adelaide was becoming congested but this new city would be located where there was interstate rail and road service. This vision was scuttled by the petty nitwits that we all know and are so backward in their thinking, they scuttle everything that will take this nation forward.
    Until we can rid ourselves of such politicians that we have today both Federal and State we will be unable to move forward. One very critical area crippling us is imports - we are importing too much from China and other countries and it is crippling our economy, reducing taxation, productivity and 'real' employment for our people. We have to get back to a strong manufacturing base by cutting out certain imports that we can manufacture ourselves for our own people; this means that those products we are now importing will no longer be available. We have to choose the right products. Solar panels and other associated products we import - it is about time we manufactured our own and stopped importing. This would give more full time jobs to so many who are struggling in part-time employment. Improve our rail services dramatically into rural areas and create new cities with all services and industry. One important step is that we increase the birth rate in our country, better our own children than the children of another nation - but from both would be better. To achieve this would be real and a hard change but it must be and much change needs to take place over time to achieve it. That's just two thoughts but there are many changes for us to make if we are to grow as a well balanced and strong nation not the weak one we are now , selling our country bit by bit to another country. I belong to a Church that stopped growing some years ago and because those left were not willing to make changes their Church will die. Our nation won't die if we do nothing - it just won't grow and be a 'backwater' nation on the edge of Asia. WE CAN MAKE OUR COUNTRY A BETTER COUNTRY FOR ALL - IT JUST NEEDS OUR WILLINGNESS TO CHANGE.
    floss
    16th Jan 2019
    2:07pm
    To increase our population we have to take more farming land which in turn poses the problem how are these extra numbers fed .More people more water use simple really .Hard to grow wheat on cement .If any party desire to win seats at the next two elections all they have to do is promise to reduce population growth in Australia. I know that the Sustainable Australia party have this as a policy and they will get my vote.
    musicveg
    17th Jan 2019
    1:23am
    Yes, floss, Sustainable Australia Party has some good policies and their main one is to curb immigration to a more manageable level.
    Roy R
    16th Jan 2019
    2:08pm
    Unfortunately, most of the reasons do not affect the rich and thier puppets, thepoliticians.
    floss
    16th Jan 2019
    2:21pm
    Yes Trebor i have flown over the Murray Darling system by chopper as part of my job for some fourteen years and it is a mess and is going down hill at a alarming rate.God help Australia i doubt the politicians will. Both parties are as bad in this.
    Janus
    16th Jan 2019
    2:30pm
    Thanks to those who mentioned environmental sustainability, which our current governemnt seems to not understand, or else cares not.
    The continent has a limited capacity - the cockies whinge and the government pays up, for country that simply cannot support agriculture any more and will be less able to in future. Pay to move them off, not to keep them going.

    I am waiting for the population solution of "culling the elderly" to be announced.
    Fisherman
    16th Jan 2019
    3:12pm
    I talk with many people who have migrated here, from Asia, South America, Middle East, Europe and the South Pacific Islands. They all want to come here because of the freedom, the opportunities and the people. Then I ask them, why do they want to change it?

    Australia should cap the population at 35 million and develop infrastructure to support regional growth. The area from Noosa to Toowoomba to the Gold Coast and the area from Newcastle to Katoomba to Wollongong are examples. I am sure there are similar options in every state.

    Then we move Federal Parliament to Darwin Capital Territory and fix up our supply chain!

    Did you know Australia has less than 1 month of fuel reserves in country (diesel, gas, petrol)? Our current supply chain from Singapore uses non Australian registered tankers with non Australian crews navigating through Indonesian waters?

    If LNP lose the next election, what are the chances that Labor will inherit a fuel crisis?
    Adrianus
    16th Jan 2019
    4:13pm
    Fisherman, you make a good point. Somewhere in the archives there should exist a plan. A plan which has not been conveyed to the general public. Let's suppose we are actually shooting for a 35 million population? We need to know the date and we need to know how we are going to grow that number. We only seem to talk in terms of immigration by a whole number? why? As an example if we wanted to boost childbirth then we could accept more Indians or Muslims who have a birth rate way above what we have now. Certain occupations which we may be short on etc? Naturally, with the polls supporting a Labor victory only a few months away this discussion becomes meaningless. We know Labor will give the immigration job back to the smugglers, they've tested the waters a couple of times recently.
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    8:45pm
    **thinks of the final scene in Raiders Of the Lost Ark...... that plan has GOT to be in there somewhere.....
    Misty
    21st Jan 2019
    11:56am
    Adrianus you are not correct, I read last week at least 80 boats had been turned back, assisted return, taken back since the Coalition took office, and don't forget one did arrive on our shores, and the men did escape into the bush, only to be recaptured later.
    Misty
    21st Jan 2019
    11:58am
    There will always be boats trying, especially if New Zealand is willing to take asylum seekers.
    flowerpot
    16th Jan 2019
    4:22pm
    Julian, While not disagreeing with your opinions about politicians, perhaps we whities should remember who owned the land first and who the first immigrants were? Should we all go 'home' or when does an invasion cease to be an invasion. Ask the Aboriginal people about security, safety, economics, erosion of culture, harm to the environment through invasive species etc etc. The immigration system is a mess and there are more people changing from visitors visas to permanent ones than there are targetted skilled ones. We need a system that works to bring in the right people and the infrastructure to deal with it which requires foresight and planning. Can either political party do this? We need leaders with vision, it's a pity Jacinda Ardern isn't available.
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    5:12pm
    Aborigines didn't 'own' the land - they claim a relationship with it... much the same as I claim a relationship with my backyard bought and paid for.....

    History moves en masse - the Aborigines cannot stand in its way..... any more than countless other groups did in the past worldwide. You can't turn it back ...

    **cue someone to call me an Abo-hater or similar - the level to which civilised discussion in this nations has fallen**
    Julian
    16th Jan 2019
    6:03pm
    Yes good point about the definition of invasion. European and Asian migration waves were markedly different though. They came here with hope and opportunity. They worked and didn't ask for handouts. They made good on the chance they were given and prospered purely from hard work and determination.

    My parents came from post war Europe and asked for nothing. There was no welfare just opportunity.

    On the other hand, we're faced with the current wave of country shoppers looking for the most handouts for little effort. Current status show 53% of these so called refugees are on welfare. I had them for neighbours...all on disability pension when clearly able to work. They spend all their days socialising and smoking,, driving fancy cars and changing them on a regular basis. Obviously receiving funds beyond what is needed to live.

    There is something very wrong with this and it hardly seems a positive thing for a country struggling to keep up with world economics.
    jaycee1
    17th Jan 2019
    10:22am
    Julian, I think that anyone who comes here should not be able to get welfare until they have worked at least 5 years full time.
    Retired Knowall
    17th Jan 2019
    11:36am
    So now we know more than the High Court of Australia and it's ruling on native Title.
    Expert opinion from people with very little credibility on Welfare.
    Misty
    21st Jan 2019
    12:26pm
    I know we are not supposed to discriminate but do you think we should accept people who have multiple wives?, this is not an acceptable part of our culture or laws is it.
    Kaz
    16th Jan 2019
    4:48pm
    I agree with the majority (and I was a professional with a degree and post grad and a “lefty”). Population increase needs to be balanced with the finite resources of an arid country, the pressure on the environment (looking at you conservatives!) and increasing the skill base of young Australians who don’t want to go to university (again looking at conservatives who stuffed up TAFE and apprenticeships).
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    5:14pm
    There are areas of concern with social cohesion as well, Kaz... and we need some return to Australian infrastructure including jobs infrastructure for a start. Once we have a firm base to operate from, we can begin to divine (sic) policies....

    Policies are direction sign posts - they are not roadways...
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    5:16pm
    I'm sort of a 'centralie' .....as are most in reality.. very............ very few are extremes of either right or left....
    Razor
    16th Jan 2019
    5:43pm
    Plain and simple folks. We don't need people here bludging on our welfare system. Look after our own first, deal with the indigenous issues first, then the aged and homeless. Immigrants need to prove they are studying English genuinely and will come here prepared to adopt the Aussie way of life and integrate. The Greeks and Italians did it, followed by the Vietnamese. Those 3 nationalities have integrated fantasticly well.
    Julian
    16th Jan 2019
    7:16pm
    Hmmmm...."integrate". There's a conversation starter.
    Misty
    21st Jan 2019
    12:29pm
    My husband and a lot of his friends came from Austria to work on the Snowy and became wonderful Australians, my husband was a hard worker, he worked until he was 70.
    Wheel
    16th Jan 2019
    6:09pm
    Australia has enough people for now...We only need a few Highly Trained or Skilled Migrants
    from Countries Like Europe, Scandinavia, India, China, Viet Nam ,Thailand,Israel etc...
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2019
    5:58am
    We could learn a thing or two about internationalists and businesses here - minimum 50% local ownership and local labour gets first call....
    jaycee1
    17th Jan 2019
    10:26am
    Trebor, I agree. In most asian countries foreigners are not able to own a house or business without a local owning 50% with them. In some you can't become a member of that country regardless of how long you may live there. [or it is very, very difficult to do so]
    If they can do it why can't Australia do it also?
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Jan 2019
    6:55pm
    We not only need to shut the gates, but begin deporting various groups (particularly those who refuse to fit in with the Australian way of life). Recent immigrant hordes have wrecked this once great nation.
    Julian
    16th Jan 2019
    7:15pm
    Yes. Don't mention that "religion" or you will be ignorantly labelled a racist.
    strikey
    16th Jan 2019
    6:56pm
    Actually, I am prepared to go out on a limb and say Australia could easily support 100 million people if it was done with common sense and vision. We have millions of square kilometres of land that in some cases supports a few cows, but much more with nothing.

    With most of it getting full sun 320 days a year, high tech eco cities could be built far away from the east coast that could run on solar and recycle all their water requirements.

    The interior dustbowl could be turned into a breadbowl with micro irrigation just like the Israelis have done with an inhospitable desert. Inhabitants could work in high tech communications, IT, software development, eco sciences and anything else that is futuristic.

    Futuristic cities in desert environments could be a huge export industry in years to come.

    However it's too far forward thinking for any globalist corporation or government to get excited about. There isn't an instant cash in the pocket now effect in being a visionary. So sadly it will never happen until another country sees us being so wasteful and comes and takes it off us.
    Knows-a-lot
    16th Jan 2019
    7:07pm
    We lack the arable land and water supply for that. The most we can sustain without compromising lifestyle is 20 million. Bob Carr, Dick Smith, and Tim Flannery (read his book "The Future Eaters") concur.
    strikey
    16th Jan 2019
    9:50pm
    Knows-a-lot, that is absolute rubbish, I have lived in Central and Northern Australia for most of my life. The stuff that can grow in our sandy deserts is absolutely phenomenal. Water is not the problem. There are some amazing private operators close to Alice Springs growing practically everything on earth. On a huge scale too..... like in one season 30,000 tonnes of onions.

    Right across the Outback its been proven time and time again we can grow anything on a large scale. Micro irrigation is the secret to desert agriculture. You might also not be aware that at a location near the Stuart Highway, Australian Table Grape Company were growing hundreds of tonnes of the finest grapes the country has ever seen. All in desert sand with micro irrigation and nutrients controlled by computer systems.

    The problem is Bob Carr and his ilk don't want to do it for political reasons not practical reasons. They are all non visionary politicians conserving the east coast power base.

    People on the east coast need to get off their butts and get out more and see the real world.
    Jim
    17th Jan 2019
    8:32am
    Striker how dare you have a different opinion to our PhD expert, just because you have lived and worked in these areas that doesn’t make you an expert, whereas he has read a book! You are of course correct many deserts around the world have been turned into productive land through a variety micro systems, I won’t pretend to be an expert, I haven’t lived in these areas, but the government should be talking to people like yourself and others who have some idea as to what is needed, or they could just read a book and come up with another expert opinion! I agree we could handle a much larger population, but it needs to be handled and planned properly.
    jaycee1
    17th Jan 2019
    10:28am
    You only have to look at Israel to see how you can turn a desert into arable land.
    Retired Knowall
    17th Jan 2019
    11:45am
    It can and has been done before, look at Kalgoorlie and it's water supply.
    The scheme consisted of three key elements – the Mundaring Weir, which dammed the Helena River in the Darling Scarp creating the Helena River Reservoir; a 760 millimetres (30 in) diameter steel pipe which ran from the dam to Kalgoorlie 530 kilometres (330 mi) away; and a series of eight pumping stations and two small holding dams to control pressures and to lift the water over the Darling Scarp ridge.
    The same could be constructed in our North and capture the rainfall that just runs to the sea to feed our dry interior.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2019
    2:03pm
    Laydeez... Chennumens... even a Ph.D can't know everything.. and lack of knowledge is not lack of ability...

    We need to export some of those experts from out dere to the Arab countries so they can turn them into permanent 100% oases, and not have to come here...

    Oh - wait a minute.. Michael Marin's book "The Road To Hell'" strongly supports the notion that assisting nomadic tribespeople by improving their water and food supply will generate disaster from over-population and herd increase way beyond what the land can bear...

    So maybe we need to restrict ourselves to the Trebor Principle (#573) of leaving the turd factories of the world alone and letting them run their own race.... or religion.. or whatever...

    Let 'Em Do Unto One Another - Let Allah Sort 'Em Out!
    Misty
    21st Jan 2019
    12:34pm
    Thanks for that comment strikey, I didn't know any of that was going on in your part of the country, maybe the ABC Landline should do a story about what is happening in that part of the world and enlighten us all.
    strikey
    21st Jan 2019
    1:22pm
    Misty, most of Australia operates under the guise of "Out of sight out of mind!" It will never change. There are no votes Outback.
    Dot
    16th Jan 2019
    8:14pm
    As a displaced person after World War 2 conditions were a two year contract and one had to work regardless where it was. Both my parents worked to cover costs of rent, food and school no free hand outs not like today where the red carpet is rolled out for the asylum seekers direct to centre link and with band of kids these people are costing us billions of dollars while our return soldiers are in need of medical and suffer from mental illness are totally ignored, lastly I say THE WESTERN WORLD IS NOT REPONSIBLE FOR THE WORLDS HUMAN TERMITES, let them stop breeding and stay in their own country and sort out their own problems.
    Julian
    16th Jan 2019
    8:28pm
    If only the elderly, pensioners , ex servicemen and those in genuine need were provided for to the same level as those who have not contributed or refuse to assimilate. It disgusts me.

    Is it any wonder why politicians are so despised?
    TREBOR
    16th Jan 2019
    8:55pm
    ... the returned service people's network for claims etc relies on volunteers, too... no pay for that work... it's an honour to do it....
    jaycee1
    17th Jan 2019
    10:36am
    Dot, many years ago - when it was called the Commonwealth Employment - I worked there. We had one gentleman come in who had arrived in Australia that morning at 6am - he didn't speak a word of english but had a list, written by a friend already here, of things to do when he arrived. Thus he had already opened a bank account in Sydney, then taken the train out to Blacktown and was waiting on the doorstep for us to open. He then handed us the list which said he wanted to sign on the dole and needed an interpreter so that he could do so.
    About 2 hours later he was signed, sealed and delivered the dole. He had been in the country less than 5 hours.
    His next stop was to sign on for public housing so that he could bring his wife and 7 kids into Australia as well. [and yes he was getting the dole for wife ad kids too]
    musicveg
    17th Jan 2019
    1:43am
    Yes, we have enough people for now, we need to reduce immigration levels to protect the environment. Land clearing is killing off our koalas and causing more drought because of housing estates. Cities are over crowded and with traffic congestion, housing is not affordable, and jobs are hard to find. There are a few that encourage immigration because they can make more money, including property developers, most people do not benefit from immigration at all. Sustainable Australia Party seems to have worked it out and are asking for immigration to be lowered.
    Retired Knowall
    17th Jan 2019
    11:53am
    Sustaining the current rate of migration will contribute up to 1 percentage point of annual economic growth and deliver billions more in tax revenue than migrants cost in services, an analysis of immigration policy by Treasury and the Home Affairs Department has revealed.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2019
    2:17pm
    They lied........ we're not interested in economic growth to nowhere.... and the claimed tax revenue disappears like The White Rabbit down a hole once it passes to the hands of the parasite types in 'development' and such.

    Those who reside here permanently on a small income (retirees, pensioners, unemployed etc) are NOT parasites on the budget since their money goes straight back into the economy and sustains it one small bit at a time - the Black Holes of Budget arise when the artificially created fat cats disappear money to the Caymans, or buy offshore, or holiday offshore, or sink money into non tax positive 'ventures.

    Where is the industry, the work and the infrastructure to show for it? All tied down on Parramatta Road waiting for the light to change for the fifteenth time?

    When all those aged and infirm pensioners are forced into Homebush Bay high rise complete with cracks occurring during a thunderstorm, how will they make it to the train station to even get anywhere? Walk? Drive? Then park where?

    Stop The Bloat!
    Retired Knowall
    19th Jan 2019
    11:54am
    Oh right, so when you read FACTS thats a lie, but rants from welfare recipients who couldn't arrange their affairs to be self funded should be believed?
    HKW
    17th Jan 2019
    12:49pm
    Australians want to shut the gates to violent, aggressive, lazy, uneducated and unskilled types from Africa! Racism is mainly on their part; we don't attack and rob them. THEY DO IT TO US!!!!
    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2019
    2:19pm
    Every aged pensioner should be issued with a surplus 9mm Browning and trained each month at a firing range.... send out an SOS when attacked - Shoot On Sight!
    strikey
    17th Jan 2019
    1:08pm
    All we really need to read here is the ridiculous headline... Australians think the country is full enough: survey! With the operative word being “Australians” which really doesn’t mean “Australia” at all. It means Sydney, Melbourne and maybe Brisbane at most. 3 stinking quagmires that 40 years ago were quite nice cities. As far as the inhabitants of those cities and their rulers are concerned the rest of Australia doesn’t exist. It’s beyond the black stump, the never never. The land of rednecks. Any wonder the country is stuffed!
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2019
    2:11pm
    El Cidney, Malbadishu, and Lebrisbanon.... ..

    Too true - NSW means Newcastle, Sydney, Wollongong ...... we're 2.5 hours from El Cidney and some roads here are Third World... you'd be frightened to run a herd of goats over them... meanwhile Armenian Gladys The Great (another form of Mediterraneo with the 'culture' of me grab) spends billions on sports grounds to cater to bread and circuses.... those billions could fix a major road here .... end to end...

    My son lives in the back-blocks of the Gold Coast and I was amazed at last visit to see the endless once-bush area vanishing for building - along with the koalas.... usual lack of any genuine foresight by governments in the pockets of developers....

    The only foresight they should be getting is the one on front of the M-60 aimed at The Long Wall.
    musicveg
    17th Jan 2019
    2:15pm
    Yes it is dreadful and absolutely disgusting that they keep clearing koala habitat, koalas are so precious and iconic for Australia and yet we destroy their habitat with no foresight into leaving corridors for them. savethekoalafoundation.org
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2019
    2:22pm
    Whenever I see all those massive Developments To Nowhere - I always mutter as I drive past:- "Where do all the people come from? What do they do for a job out here? How do they even afford to buy these McMansions? There are no jobs for miles ... and no trains and buses!"

    Maitland near Newcastle is the same - every square inch is being turned into a housing development on tiny blocks with big McMansions.... and it ain't nowhere near any work etc...
    musicveg
    17th Jan 2019
    3:06pm
    We have the same here, new areas being built, but most are going to be holiday houses or retirement houses I suspect. Some people have the money, and how many are foreign investments?
    ardnher
    19th Jan 2019
    2:51pm
    lots of the mcmansions are from drug money!
    sybilla
    17th Jan 2019
    1:13pm
    Right Julian, name calling is the most effective, unfair and irrational way to smother debate on controversial subjects. Difficult not to cave when the other side calls you some version of racist or xenophobe. Or when the lefties refer to anyone who questions them as supporters of the "extreme right". The left, and our left-leaning media are adept at signaling their own virtue and 'caring' attitudes.
    Charlie
    17th Jan 2019
    6:32pm
    Employment is the key to all of this. If you have high unemployment how are you going to sustain more migrants on the wages we have and the limitations on casual work...What kind of jobs cant be filled ??
    You can talk about cultural diversity all day, it doesn't mean a thing.
    ardnher
    17th Jan 2019
    8:07pm
    no workers, no welfare. someone has to earn the taxes to support the welfare system.
    Anonymous
    21st Jan 2019
    1:31pm
    But too many of the migrants milk the welfare system instead of working. We need much tighter controls.
    strikey
    21st Jan 2019
    1:46pm
    Here is the welfare wrap....... If I want to bring a foreign wife to Australia I have to sign and agreement with the government that she or myself will not access any form of welfare for at least 2 years. If you come to Australia by other means like a leaky boat then you can access welfare immediately you step foot in the country.

    Secondly, unemployment statistics are generated largely from our biggest cities. Go outback once more and nearly every business is screaming out for workers in every industry known. In the Northern Territory for the last 10 years thousands of Koreans and Tiawanese come every year on working holiday visas to work in the tourism industry. Mostly making hotel beds and cleaning work. It's a gold mine for them cos unemployed Aussies from Sydney and Melbourne wont come and do it.

    At the recently completed Inpex LNG plant in Darwin the company had to bring in 15,000 spanner monkeys from Asia to bolt the plant together because no one from Melbourne or Sydney would come and fo it.

    So dont ever say Australia has limitations for employment. The Outback and the North is already screaming out for more hard working residents.
    musicveg
    21st Jan 2019
    9:38pm
    Strikey are they getting paid award wages? Maybe city people just cannot handle the heat in NT, after all most are descendants from cold countries.
    musicveg
    21st Jan 2019
    9:40pm
    Also is it because the work is seasonal and it is too hard and long to get back on welfare in between jobs, and should they leave their families, friends and homes? Younger people could do the jobs if they are still living at home and getting support in between jobs though.
    strikey
    21st Jan 2019
    10:46pm
    musicveg, no not seasonal, the Inpex LNG was a 6 year work every day project on above award wages. The tourism industry is slightly seasonal but not like fruit picking, its 9 months continuous work with high hourly rates.

    I know the Tiawanese get a 2 year holiday/work visa and they work their butts off. They dont party, they dont drink, they just work and sleep. It's nothing for them to do 80 hours a week working 3 jobs. I know for fact many have saved enough money in 2 years to go home and pay cash for a small apartment in Taiwan.

    Unless you work outdoors, everything is air-conditioned. But what sort of a country do we now have if people won't work because it is too hot or too far away or too anything else that we make excuses for? Any wonder the lifestyle culture of Sydney and Melbourne has destroyed what was once the epitome of the real Australia. A rugged sunburnt Aussie!
    musicveg
    21st Jan 2019
    11:20pm
    I am sure if Australians could get a job for 2 years and earn enough to buy an apartment they too would work as hard. But I cannot understand why Australians are not going for the 9 month jobs, and then have 3 months holiday then back to work, sounds good to me, young people need to be encouraged, maybe trained up and given incentives to move there.
    Hairy
    18th Jan 2019
    4:08am
    Julian well said
    Hairy
    18th Jan 2019
    4:13am
    George m I’m withyou
    Hairy
    18th Jan 2019
    4:13am
    George m I’m withyou
    Hairy
    18th Jan 2019
    4:13am
    George m I’m withyou
    Hairy
    18th Jan 2019
    4:22am
    Well said travelmam
    Hairy
    18th Jan 2019
    4:26am
    Janus the cull started when the persecution of the elderly and retirees started how many just gave up. ???
    Hairy
    18th Jan 2019
    4:28am
    Jaycee 1 I agree but gov don’t care it’s all about them
    Adrianus
    19th Jan 2019
    7:55am
    I don't think Bill Shorten and the ALP are thinking clearly. Bill wants to increase immigration by increasing Australia's refugee intake. He has also pledged $500m of taxpayers money to the United Nations. Is this a good idea?
    musicveg
    19th Jan 2019
    1:29pm
    It is not the amount of refugees that are a problem if you look at the figures, it is the massive amount of immigrants that are allowed in every year with money to buy up housing and land. Doesn't matter who becomes or is prime minister it is the policy that needs to change. And also the many who are overstaying visas and students who come here to study at university and allowed to stay as well which is growing every year so much that Australian kids cannot get a chance at university.
    Adrianus
    19th Jan 2019
    2:42pm
    musicveg, I guess you're saying we should have more refugees and less students, jobseekers, family reunion etc in our migrant intake? I cant say that I agree with that logic? Unless you're shooting for a job on the UN like Kevin Rudd was? Then maybe I can understand?
    Here's a question?
    Now that the war is over and Troops have pulled out of Syria/Iraq, will we get more refugees or less refugees? Will any of the refugees of the last 10 years return to the ME? And if Bill Shorten becomes PM do you believe immigration will remain at current numbers? That the policy will not change?
    musicveg
    19th Jan 2019
    2:52pm
    Yes we should have less job seekers then Australians can get the jobs.I did not say we should have more refugees, I was just pointing out the bigger picture. Remember Syrians did not ask for their homes to be destroyed, it was a thriving and happy country until the wars started, most would love to go back but know it is impossible to go back to a destroyed country and until it is repaired, rebuilt and safe how can they? It is a complicated subject and no leader in the world has the right answers or solutions but they continue to back more wars, like what is happening in Yemen now too.
    Adrianus
    19th Jan 2019
    2:53pm
    I wonder why Australia's immigration numbers always spike under a Labor Government? Under Hawke, Keating, Rudd and Gillard numbers increased but when they left office the numbers reduced back to their usual level.
    I suppose it's just a coincidence? As you say, it doesn't matter which government is in the Lodge its a policy setting. HA HA HA!!!
    Now further to that, if we are to believe the article above its the Greens supporters who love a big number. Could it be that Labor is influenced by the Greens and their supporters on this issue? Talking about greens, are you getting enough protein mate?
    musicveg
    19th Jan 2019
    2:57pm
    We should lower immigration numbers no matter whether the numbers are reduced under whatever Government. And why bring up protein? Are you trying to attack me personally?
    Adrianus
    19th Jan 2019
    4:01pm
    Attack you personally?? You don't think youre being a little sensitive?
    I was just curious because of your remark to my earlier statement regarding a new PM having a different point of view. You responded with,

    "Doesn't matter who becomes or is prime minister it is the policy that needs to change."

    As a Greens supporter, don't you think you would have a better chance of getting new policy direction under a Labor government, if you wanted to increase immigration? Protein is an essential building block for healthy living and brain stimulation.
    musicveg
    19th Jan 2019
    4:07pm
    Why are you assuming I am a Greens supporter? I don't vote for Greens or Labor or Liberal. So stop assuming things. I was not being sensitive, just don't understand why you are bringing protein into the conversation, it is my business not yours about my diet, and just to settle you I have more than enough protein intake. If anything you need more leafy greens in your diet, I study nutrition and most people don't eat enough greens.
    Adrianus
    20th Jan 2019
    8:14am
    musicveg, we all vote for Labor or LNP in some way. The system is designed that way. Therefor it is important to know the external influences effecting decisions made by those 2 parties and with which groups they may have a quid pro quo arrangement. I'm going to have to cut back on my greens.
    bob menzies
    20th Jan 2019
    9:35am
    I agree and I also think Mick makes a good point. Interesting above one comment was:-\
    People with higher levels of education and foreign-born residents were more likely to support a bigger population,
    well I am Masters level and foreign born (left UK when I was 1) and I do not believe in big population. Dick Smith knows what he is talking about.
    I read that not one asylum seeker has been settled in a greens held seat.
    Mick knows I am a conservative so it may come as a surprise that I am completely disillusioned with ScoMo because he is wishy washy on immigration and seems to lean toward more not less - I don't know who he is trying to appeal to but it is t the base of the liberal party
    musicveg
    20th Jan 2019
    1:31pm
    Dick Smith posts some interesting videos and articles on his website, just read recently about Aldi's too and what they are doing. He also became a member of the Sustainable Australia Party, the first party he has ever joined.
    Adrianus
    20th Jan 2019
    2:33pm
    bob, thanks for mentioning that. I too am a little miffed at Scott Morrison's view on immigration. Late last year he was all for cutting the number but just before Christmas he wanted to keep immigration at its current level. Another example of a Politician getting a verbal message out when they think only the important people are listening during the pre-Christmas frenzy.

    20th Jan 2019
    1:52pm
    We need to grow our population to between 50-75 million over the coming decades
    Good for the economy , our sharemarket and housing prices
    Put the unemployed to work building water pipelines to central Australia , irrigate the land and then fill it up with migrants
    Lots of South Americans want to get to the US
    Let’s ship em over here especially the Brazilian beauties
    Mez
    21st Jan 2019
    11:32am
    I also agree with the general gist of the comments in restricting immigration to take care of our own backyards first and then only those with qualifications necessary for our economic needs as well as those who are willing to become affiliated and useful to our society starting with fluent English.
    Nerk
    21st Jan 2019
    3:30pm
    Its funny you know if a neighbours house burns down they go next door, why do these people travel half way around the world through many countries to get here.
    Adrianus
    22nd Jan 2019
    8:58am
    Because our social welfare system is by far the best in the world. Its something to be proud of.
    ex PS
    22nd Jan 2019
    10:58am
    Most of the countries they travel through are either more dangerous than the ones they left, are not signatories of the refugee convention or just can't afford to settle them. We are contrary to all of these conditions, we just choose to ignore the convention.
    Those who withhold help because they are not able to provide it are to be pitied, those who who withhold help just because they don't want to, are to be despised.
    Our neighbors house is burning down, they have come to us for help, and we have put them in Concentration Camps.
    Let's hope our house never catches on fire, some may find a home in New Zealand, but I guess the rest will have to find a home in Indonesia, after all Britain and the USA are too far away.
    Adrianus
    23rd Jan 2019
    2:25pm
    Nice caring words. Australia has a culture of helping those in need, providing they are honest with us. Obviously Australia is a desired destination but only as long as it is managed well. We have an obligation to help refugees, but also to protect our culture.
    ex PS
    24th Jan 2019
    10:41am
    If we examine our culture, we find it is so rich because of the different ethnic influences bought in by people from other parts of the world. Australians are not stupid, they take on the positive parts of other cultures and in the main reject that which is bad.
    Nearly every time we have large intakes from one particular region, we have hysteria about our culture being destroyed, it has never happened and it will never happen, the average Australian is too independent to let outsiders change us for the worst.
    LeeLee
    22nd Jan 2019
    10:45am
    The entire world is over populated and taking into account the ratio of population to infrastructure, Australia is way behind the eight ball. You only have to do the drive along the M1 between the Gold Coast and the Sunshine Coast, as well as many other areas, to realise we cannot possibly cope with any more cars or trucks on our inadequate roads system.

    22nd Jan 2019
    11:19am
    Well summed up Julian. Racism is the attack dog of the left. Nowadays many are no longer scared by this tactic and want immigration halted until such time as we have so many vacant houses that prices are down and vacant jobs enough so no one living off welfare til age pension.
    It nothing to do with who comes as much as do they assimilate into society adding to it rather than just taking as far to many here today do. Including first immigrants from what is now called PNG and who have lived off welfare ever since Left got enough power to stop their employment on the land.


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