14th Feb 2019
PM accused of ‘lying’ about asylum seeker policy
PM accused of ‘lying’ about asylum seeker policy

A battle has erupted over ‘boat people’ after a divisive new law passed this week in Parliament, allowing 300 refugees from Manus Island and Nauru to be shipped to Australia as medical transfers.

Asylum seekers who need medical treatment will be sent to Christmas Island under the new plan.

Since the bill passed, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has gone on the attack, claiming the new law risks the resumption of boat arrivals.

“My job now is to ensure that the boats don’t come,” he said. “If they don’t come, it will be because of the work and the decisions we are now taking and the actions we are putting in place.”

The new law only applies to 1000 people currently on Manus Island and Nauru, but Mr Morrison claims that people smugglers did not care about the “nuance” of the law.

“If they do come, you can thank the Labor Party and Bill Shorten because he is the one who has led this process. He has led this process to weaken and compromise our borders,” he said.

Shadow Attorney-General and Shadow Minister for National Security, Mark Dreyfus, says the Prime Minister is “endorsing lies”. Labor’s Brendan O'Connor also said the PM had chosen to “misrepresent the truth” and “lie to the Australian people” in an attempt to gain political advantage, effectively turning a humanitarian issue into a guaranteed election fight over asylum seeker policy.

“Most remarkably and outrageously, we’ve seen him announce the opening of Christmas Island. Well if this wasn’t the biggest advertisement to people smugglers, I don’t know what is,” said Mr O’Connor.

“To open up a taxpayer-funded motel in Christmas Island to basically advertise to people smugglers in the region that indeed business is back – that is a desperate act.”

Tony Abbott claims these new rules mean people could “get on a boat, get to Nauru, get sick and get to Australia”, despite the new law not applying to new boat arrivals.

The new law, which Bill Shorten says is a humanitarian change that made no significant alteration to offshore processing of boat arrivals, states that those who are transferred must already be in detention.

The Department of Home Affairs said that 300 cases of people on Manus Island and Nauru are likely to be recommended for medical transfer.

However, Independent MP Kerryn Phelps and Greens leader Richard Di Natale believe that hundreds more could qualify for transfer and treatment.

The government has not declared how many transferees will be integrated into the community after treatment and how many will need to be held in detention centres.

According to a Sydney Morning Herald report, most refugees who arrived by boat have gone into the community in the past. As of December, 380 boat people were in detention and 15,674 in the community.

Former Australian Federal Police officer John Coyne said that the new law was well-constructed but it could encourage some to risk a boat journey.

“The narrative of the past six years has been one of crushing any hope,” he said. “You can’t underplay the impact that a spark of hope will have when people are desperate.”

What do you think of the new law? Do you agree with the reopening of the Christmas Island detention centre?

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    14th Feb 2019
    9:54am
    Here we go again.
    LnP stops the boats dead, while labor and greens open up the floodgates
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    10:40am
    People are not liking this at all. Some polls are running over 90% against this amendment.
    Grateful
    14th Feb 2019
    10:48am
    You are a fool Lothario. Can't you see, because you are so blinded by radical ideology?
    This is John Howard's Tampa all over again. A desperate, dishonest and dangerously selfish and ambitious man, with the new equally desperate and dishonest "Peter Reiths" doing their bit too. It's UGLY as!!
    Morrison is the one inviting people smugglers and has opened Christmas Island!!! Didn't HE "stop the boats". How? Our Navy sees them and returns them. THAT WILL CONTINUE. Does Morrisson think that the Navy only obeyed him?? He's that arrogant and narcissistic to think that.

    WHERE are MORRISON'S POLICIES!!! You hear him and Kormann interviewd and the only words you hear are "Labor did this" or "Labor will do that". What are THEY going to do with the mess we are in? Horrible inequality which will only worsen if Morrison stays as PM.
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    11:33am
    No Grateful this amendment is the what will start the boats. They now know even if they are in off shore detention they only have to break a leg to come to Australia.
    sunnyOz
    14th Feb 2019
    11:50am
    Agree with Lothario and OG. Every time the govt makes style it is watered down. Give an inch, they will take a mile. Give it a few years and once again see the mes we will be in. Break a leg? - can see them getting a paper cut and stubbing their tow, get a sympathetic Dr..into Aust
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    11:55am
    The normal cash for comment propaganda from the usual suspects promoting their employer.

    The TRUTH is that the current government is lies on steroids and Morrison is but the head of a malicious low life corrupt regime put into office to funnel money into the bank accounts of the wealthy and ensure that all positions of power are held by the top end of society to control the game.

    I sort of have to laugh when somebody like troll Lothario and his entourage post the BS they do. Not working boys. You'll all be out of work after May.
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    12:00pm
    I'm hearing reports of 300 medi vac forms have already been signed.
    thommo
    14th Feb 2019
    12:03pm
    OG and L, you are scaremongering...you obviously don't know what this new legislation means. And Morrison is lying, just as John Hewson says he will have to, to run a good scare campaign.
    But you should have some nous and use your own commonsense instead of listening to Morrison's BS.
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    12:08pm
    Morrison is a fair dinkum salt of the earth kinda guy with good Christian values. He doesn't lie like the other bloke who will do and say anything to be PM.
    Shorten is a man with no principles
    KSS
    14th Feb 2019
    12:08pm
    Another ridiculous comment from Mick on nothing to do with the topic.

    OG I believe the figure of 300 relates to those who may be able to apply for medevac but there are two who already have been signed off by two doctors and waiting for this law to go through.

    The remaining 700 (of the 1000 still on Nauru and Manus islands) will probably make their application on health needs by the end of the month!
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    12:43pm
    Exactly Grateful. Where are the Policies! The CEO for the Shire on Christmas Island says that they are not set up to take refugees and the local hospital can’t cope with serious cases. Therefore, how much is opening Christmas Island going to cost and for what purpose. The new law is only for refugees currently on Manus and Nauru. By glossing over this fact it is Morrison who is inviting more boats. Very irresponsible of him and that snake in the grass Dutton.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    14th Feb 2019
    12:44pm
    Compulsory euthanasia often springs to mind when the delusion blindly follow the irrational (and misproven) ideology of prime ministers past and present.

    "90% against this amendment"
    "this amendment is what will start the boats"
    "paper cuts"

    You guys are going to have to stop smoking that stuff ... or pass it around.

    I think our delusional trolls, OG and L, might just be the soon to be former Minister for border paTROL.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    14th Feb 2019
    12:45pm
    Compulsory euthanasia often springs to mind when the delusion blindly follow the irrational (and misproven) ideology of prime ministers past and present.

    "90% against this amendment"
    "this amendment is what will start the boats"
    "paper cuts"

    You guys are going to have to stop smoking that stuff ... or pass it around.

    I think our delusional trolls, OG and L, might just be the soon to be former Minister for border paTROL.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:46pm
    Lets keep in mind the usual trolls working the site. Same sort of comment from the likes of KSS, Lothario, OG, Adrianus and more day after day. Political scaremongering and propaganda for their employer.
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    1:52pm
    How do we know if they stopped any remember that is top secret as they we wont be telling
    anyone and has now opened the hotel on xmas island please come its labours fault weak as p...
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    1:52pm
    How do we know if they stopped any remember that is top secret as they we wont be telling
    anyone and has now opened the hotel on xmas island please come its labours fault weak as p...
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:50pm
    cupo, if I tell you that there are no new posts on this forum because it is now classified info, then you will have no idea what is going on?
    Mad as Hell
    14th Feb 2019
    4:40pm
    If they need medical assistance on the mainland, do it, it’s what a humane society does.

    Don’t expect the LNP who steal pensioners assets under the guise of a budget emergency to show any empathy.
    john
    14th Feb 2019
    5:58pm
    Lothario is correct, only sheep don't see it. But there is more to this parliament this week that is deadly!
    arbee
    15th Feb 2019
    1:51am
    Mick can you and the rest of you left wing idiots please tell us how many of these illegals you have put up in your homes since the boats from Indonesia first started, none I would think. Maybe one day when whole lots of Australia are no go zones for most of us because of predominant overseas over populating (mainly Muslim) then you may realise that labour and the greens policies on illegals may not be so good after all. This is already happening in many parts of Sydney and Melbourne now. Funny, we never had that problem over the years with European migrants or those from Vietnam and other countries, why, because they were so happy to come hear and INTEGRATE and call our country home. Far too many of the new arrivals do not want to integrate and wish for us to change our customs and way of life to suit theirs. WHY SHOULD WE, they are the recent arrivals, not us.
    maxchugg
    15th Feb 2019
    8:17am
    Arbee, you are spot on!
    Look around the world and wherever there has been a large intake of refugees, nothing but trouble has been the outcome. London, Paris, Sweden for example, endless riots in the streets. Even in Melbourne, those huge concrete blocks speak volumes for the outcome of receiving immigrants who refuse to live by our standards.
    What comes next? Are we to go the way of London and see areas designated as places where sharia law is in force - where foolish tourists walk in the wrong street carrying alcohol and wind up in hospital with life threatening injuries inflicted by thugs who enforce the illegal laws?
    Immigrants who come here to enjoy a better life and are prepared to integrate within our society are always welcome, those who want to import the culture from which they purport to be escaping are definitely not welcome. Those who want to live by the laws of the jungle should be sent back to the jungle where they should be happier than in civilization.
    maxchugg
    15th Feb 2019
    8:17am
    Arbee, you are spot on!
    Look around the world and wherever there has been a large intake of refugees, nothing but trouble has been the outcome. London, Paris, Sweden for example, endless riots in the streets. Even in Melbourne, those huge concrete blocks speak volumes for the outcome of receiving immigrants who refuse to live by our standards.
    What comes next? Are we to go the way of London and see areas designated as places where sharia law is in force - where foolish tourists walk in the wrong street carrying alcohol and wind up in hospital with life threatening injuries inflicted by thugs who enforce the illegal laws?
    Immigrants who come here to enjoy a better life and are prepared to integrate within our society are always welcome, those who want to import the culture from which they purport to be escaping are definitely not welcome. Those who want to live by the laws of the jungle should be sent back to the jungle where they should be happier than in civilization.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    9:39am
    Of course people who have been locked up without trial and not being told how long they will suffer will have real and severe mental health problems. What is surprising about that?
    If a thief shoots someone and puts them in hospital, do we blame the victim or do we blame the criminal who caused their distress?
    The government caused this situation and is now frantically trying to put the blame on the victims and those who are trying to help them.
    If all of those now being held on Nauru and Manis do get a pass into Australia the blame sits solely with the current government for manufacturing the situation.
    Despite the politically motivated ravings of some on this site, I believe most real Australians will vote for humanity over cheap self serving politics.
    The boat turn back policy will not be changed, according to the current government it works, so treating these genuine asylum seekers with common decency and humanity should not make ant difference.
    Or has the government been lying all this time, is boat turn back policy a failure?
    Anonymous
    15th Feb 2019
    9:47am
    Es PS - what a lot of dribble
    Firstly they are economic migrants who paid people smugglers $thousands to get here
    Secondly - they were offered free trips back home
    They have no documentation - thrown away at the last port of embarkation so who knows where they are from
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    10:51am
    exPS, you sure do have a different way of looking at things. Instead of trying to repeat what you've heard from washed up ex Union Bosses try asking yourself.. does this make sense?
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    10:53am
    Stopped the boat?, WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH, just Google how many boats have been turned back, assisted to turn back etc since this Coalition took office, IT IS QUITE A FEW AND THEY ARE STILL TRYING but what do you lot think we pay our Border Force to do?, SIT THERE AND WATCH THEM FLOAT BY?, get real, of course boats are trying and being turned back, nothing has or will be changed by this new law. Oh and BTW the govt said there are 40 doctors to attend the refugees on Manus and Naru but what they didn't tell us is that they are there on a rotation basis so maybe might only be one or two there at any given time, who can believe anything this govt says when they manipulate the truth to suit their political agenda.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    11:00am
    Yes John, the stoush between Pauline Hansen and her former colleague.
    maxchugg
    15th Feb 2019
    10:38pm
    Let me pose a simple question: Who would have better access to medical services, the refugees or those who live in the outback?
    From time to time we see pictures of the refugees, many are well dressed, most young, so it is extremely difficult to believe that they are anywhere as sick as we are being led to believe.
    And why are these people victims? They chose to attempt to come to Australia, they knew the risks if they were caught yet came anyway.
    Then there is their accommodation, provided free of charge by the Australian taxpayer.If the camps were emptied, the buildings provided at low cost to tourists, there would be waiting lists for those wanting to use the facilities on a tropical island.
    Nauru was once described as the pleasant island by British explorers, one of the many complaints from the refugees is that they are treated like slaves. How can this be when they do not have to work, are free to leave the camps and enjoy the beaches. Here we have no sympathy or respect for Australians who drop out of the workforce and spend their lives on the beach funded by the taxpayer.
    maxchugg
    15th Feb 2019
    10:38pm
    Let me pose a simple question: Who would have better access to medical services, the refugees or those who live in the outback?
    From time to time we see pictures of the refugees, many are well dressed, most young, so it is extremely difficult to believe that they are anywhere as sick as we are being led to believe.
    And why are these people victims? They chose to attempt to come to Australia, they knew the risks if they were caught yet came anyway.
    Then there is their accommodation, provided free of charge by the Australian taxpayer.If the camps were emptied, the buildings provided at low cost to tourists, there would be waiting lists for those wanting to use the facilities on a tropical island.
    Nauru was once described as the pleasant island by British explorers, one of the many complaints from the refugees is that they are treated like slaves. How can this be when they do not have to work, are free to leave the camps and enjoy the beaches. Here we have no sympathy or respect for Australians who drop out of the workforce and spend their lives on the beach funded by the taxpayer.
    maxchugg
    15th Feb 2019
    10:38pm
    Let me pose a simple question: Who would have better access to medical services, the refugees or those who live in the outback?
    From time to time we see pictures of the refugees, many are well dressed, most young, so it is extremely difficult to believe that they are anywhere as sick as we are being led to believe.
    And why are these people victims? They chose to attempt to come to Australia, they knew the risks if they were caught yet came anyway.
    Then there is their accommodation, provided free of charge by the Australian taxpayer.If the camps were emptied, the buildings provided at low cost to tourists, there would be waiting lists for those wanting to use the facilities on a tropical island.
    Nauru was once described as the pleasant island by British explorers, one of the many complaints from the refugees is that they are treated like slaves. How can this be when they do not have to work, are free to leave the camps and enjoy the beaches. Here we have no sympathy or respect for Australians who drop out of the workforce and spend their lives on the beach funded by the taxpayer.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    10:36am
    HA HA HA!!! That is laughable, opening Christmas Island Detention Centre is going to attract illegal immigrants? Is it that good on the Island? I thought the memory of dead bodies floating
    on the shores of Christmas Island would deter anyone from wanting to go there. Labor would be a laughing stock on border control if it wasn't so serious.
    Grateful
    14th Feb 2019
    11:00am
    Adrianus. That implies that Morrison is saying that he is preparing for those refugees to arrive as a result. It's pathetic. He REALLY hopes they do and ASAP, before the election, so, he can, again, do the John Howard "Tampa" lie.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:00pm
    Adrianus - one of the known trolls posting for the government on this website to get it re-elected. Disgraceful.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    12:06pm
    Grateful, I don't see it that way. I see the opening of Christmas Island as an essential preparation and deterrent.
    Lets be clear, this would not have been necessary if Australia had not sent a message to the people smugglers that the government on duty no longer has a say in who comes in, the decision is up to a couple of doctors.
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    1:08pm
    It is like they are expecting them.
    They don’t even need to announce it because it has not sunk under the sea.
    It is not a about who comes in, thousands more just fly in, anyway.
    It is to access medical help for those who cannot effectively be treated on Manus or Nauru nothing to do with future boats as it only refers to present detainees.
    Being humane to people with whom we have a duty of care is more important than point scoring by political parties and their supporters.
    Luck is why we live where we do and having empathy for others makes us human.
    We are supposed to be civilised but many of us are not, sadly!
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:54pm
    Do you have any idea what the opposite to civilised is? Its when the only method of control is jackboots and automatic weapons. Most of us don't want that in Australia.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:54pm
    Do you have any idea what the opposite to civilised is? Its when the only method of control is jackboots and automatic weapons. Most of us don't want that in Australia.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:36pm
    Why are you such an extremist, Adrianus? The world isn't black and white....
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    9:44am
    Boats will get through, the government will make sure they do. Winning the next election is more important to them than border security. They need to demonstrate that they are right and letting a few boats through is the easiest way to do it.
    All that is required is a few subtle shifts in the positioning and routs of a couple of our boats.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    10:43am
    As an ex Public Servant your disrespectful, lowlife remarks on the credibility of our people in uniform reflects more on you than it does on them.
    They will not get past Christmas Island.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    10:43am
    As an ex Public Servant your disrespectful, lowlife remarks on the credibility of our people in uniform reflects more on you than it does on them.
    They will not get past Christmas Island.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    11:04am
    Adrianus that is not correct, I rang Bill Shorten's office and was told that the Home Affairs minister DOES HAVE THE FINAL SAY.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    12:16pm
    And after he has the final say he then needs to front an inquiry to explain his decision with proof. For goodness sake Misty you are gullible.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    5:42pm
    It will not be the people in uniform who let them through it will be some shiny arsed politician who orders them out of the way. I used to wear the uniform you idiot, I know firs hand how political interference can undo the good work and intentions of the armed services. When and where did you serve?
    Your deliberate distortion of facts shows you up for what you are.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    6:36pm
    Or a Doctor(activist) without borders?
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    6:36pm
    Or a Doctor(activist) without borders?
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    6:48pm
    You are the one who is gullible Adrianus, believing the bs that the coalition like to try and convince the Australian people is going to happen. With the advent ofSocial Media these days people can find out for themselves what is really happening and not rely on the biased print and TV media.
    OlderandWiser
    18th Feb 2019
    9:55am
    Oh, poor deluded Misty. Actually believes the rubbish Labor politicians peddle. I recall she also believed some crap about people being affected by Labor's franking credit policy having the option to rearrange their affairs. Oh, yes, and the crap about people drawing superannuation pensions not being affected if they are pensioners! Honestly, it boggles the mind that anyone could swallow the propaganda these self-interested idiots spew out to reassure the gullible that their BAD policies are good.
    OlderandWiser
    18th Feb 2019
    9:55am
    Oh, poor deluded Misty. Actually believes the rubbish Labor politicians peddle. I recall she also believed some crap about people being affected by Labor's franking credit policy having the option to rearrange their affairs. Oh, yes, and the crap about people drawing superannuation pensions not being affected if they are pensioners! Honestly, it boggles the mind that anyone could swallow the propaganda these self-interested idiots spew out to reassure the gullible that their BAD policies are good.
    Misty
    18th Feb 2019
    10:49am
    Oh dear, here we go again, OGR is off on her/his pet topic and look out for the abuse asnd bullying towards anyone who has, or who she/he percieves to be a different view, THE YLC'S TEAM OBVIOUSLY COULDN'T CARE LESS WHAT ANYONE CALLS ANYONE ON THESE TOPICS.
    ardnher
    19th Feb 2019
    4:44pm
    dont you people read/watch what is going on??? the so called "ill" refuggess?? will be going to Christmas Island for medical treatment NOT mainland Australia!!

    Keryn Phelps is not happy

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/19/sick-refugees-on-manus-and-nauru-to-be-sent-to-christmas-island-not-mainland
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    10:45am
    Labor, Greens and so called Independents have unwittingly sent a strong message to so called refugees to self harm or harm family members. This is another sorry saga in the consistent and unflappable desire by some to have an open border policy. Our border security forces monitoring the situation have experienced an increase in chatter, saying "we have just woken the beast."
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    1:09pm
    Piffle!
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    2:01pm
    That was mentioned by Jim Mowlam last night and don't forget the libs were dropping him because the women that left the seat is coming back he was there to keep it warm that is why he snubbed Q&A he must be getting parachuted and he was a leader in the army
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    2:01pm
    That was mentioned by Jim Mowlam last night and don't forget the libs were dropping him because the women that left the seat is coming back he was there to keep it warm that is why he snubbed Q&A he must be getting parachuted and he was a leader in the army
    danielboonjp
    14th Feb 2019
    2:08pm
    Adrianus .... you have unwittingly exposed yourself as a half-wit
    john
    14th Feb 2019
    6:02pm
    Adrianus the refugees are celebrating , they are over the moon, but in Australia we just killed of our democratically elected government , we've had five dip sticks as PMs' for the last few years, we finally get one, Morrison , with some credibility and bang , the mob OF SHEEP CALLED VOTERS fall into bulldust line, including Bill and his new party leader of the ALP..... KAREN PHELPS!!!! HEH HEH HEH !
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:37pm
    Wrong, john - this government committed suicide.....
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    11:05am
    The only one stirring the beast is SM, by opening Xmas Island.
    Brissiegirl
    14th Feb 2019
    10:49am
    Shorten, a man told what to do by the Greens and unions (how many Aussies do standover unions represent, about 10%), is now on the verge of losing the unlosable election. We've seen that happen before when someone wholly unsuitable to leadership puts his big foot in it at the behest of his political masters. The Phelps woman will be thrown out. How much damage is done by would-be's who like telling the rest of us what to do is shown by blow-ins like Phelps and minorities who love controlling the majority. I hope Phelps is thrown out before she does more damage.
    SFR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:29am
    Union membership in fact is a whopping 14.75% of the working population.
    Lib's will be loving this as has been proven many times over that Australia has major Phobia on refugees. This page will be filled with hysterical rhetoric and Labor could well lose the unloose able election. The number of asylum seekers arriving by boat is a fraction of those entering by plane. Both Parties need to go.
    Brissiegirl
    14th Feb 2019
    12:04pm
    When they arrive by plane they present identification and other relevant documents and it's easy to see where they came from. From there it is determined whether or not they are to be put on the next plane out. It's unwise to confuse illegal boat arrival Centrelink seekers who travel through several countries of first asylum in order to qualify for overly generous Australian benefits that many of the legitimate applicants on this site had to plead for. If Phelps is any example of an independent I feel she's just dug a big hole for the rest of them hopefully to drop into and never to be seen again. I believe 14.75% of the working population doesn't give unions sufficient manpower over the rest of us and that includes non-working retirees. Union thugs have far too much control over their Labor mates.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    12:47pm
    SFR, and who would you replace them with as you don’t like the Greens or the independents. A dictator of your choice perhaps
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    1:16pm
    Union membership density is stronger in the public sector, but it has also fallen about 5% in the last few years. The CFMEU has the lowest membership density at around 9%. Also over the past few years about 70 unions have closed and that doesn't take into account the fictitious ones. What hasn't fallen is the number of union bosses, which is increasing substantially.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:48pm
    Ha ha ha. There you go again.
    Adrianus posting the union scare BS. It never ends.
    If we had no unions Australia would be a third world nation where all of the wealth was held by a handful of people. This is what Adrianus is advocating. Somebody put the troll out of his misery.
    danielboonjp
    14th Feb 2019
    2:09pm
    you're not really a Brisse girl, they are way smarter
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    3:45pm
    Ha, ha, the Greens continually berate Labor!
    Phelps won’t be tossed as people seem to love her.
    I think she has the ear of most people actually.
    Another pop up electioneering on this site lol!
    SGW
    14th Feb 2019
    4:06pm
    Somebody put the troll out of his misery. Thanks Mick
    SFR
    14th Feb 2019
    4:11pm
    Sundays, tell me when I have stated that I don't like "Independents". I am a strong supporter of Independents in these troubled times as the Major Parties have lost all credibility.
    I note from your past posts that you are one of the persons of low intelligence, do some research before you post or get your carers to explain the topic.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    5:21pm
    This current Government does not have the numbers to pass Legislation in their own right. They rely on the cross bench made up of minor parties and independents. In this instance they support Labor. Was this the outcome you wanted. By the way, why don’t you stick with writing your fairy stories rather than childishly resorting to insults
    john
    14th Feb 2019
    6:24pm
    Brissie girl your totally correct about the Unions. Dead in the water, corrupt , fighting along with Greens to stop industry getting on with life because of bull dust climate change fear mongering.
    Corruption is rife in unions most of the ALP are unionists with political ambitions and the country can't produce jobs for younger people and they can't buy homes for themselves.There is lots of under employed and the only question is ,

    WHERE ARE THE UNIONS????? They gone my friend.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:38pm
    Totally wrong, Brissie - the unfortunate reality is that uni quadrangle sidewalk coffee shop Labor now dictates to the Unions...
    arbee
    15th Feb 2019
    1:58am
    Mick the red ragger unionist who is always mouthing off. You must love this left wing life choices heap of crap as all it ever does is push your left wing ideology. John, you are correct, the unions in this country are dead, as will shortens PM aspirations be if he keeps on pushing their barrow.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    11:09am
    Arbee why do you look at and comment on this site, obviously hou are a Right Winger, so if you think this site is only for Left Wingers , as you like to call them, why even bother to come here?.
    ardnher
    19th Feb 2019
    5:26pm
    dr phelps should be getting worried as to whether she will hold her seat at the fortcoming election. She is not very popular nor is Derryn Hinch. go to his facebook page for justice party and see the comments!
    Not a Bludger
    14th Feb 2019
    10:53am
    Anyone who believes that new illegals will not have access to Australia is naive in the extreme.
    Morrison is right to react strongly to this leftie madness.
    The difference is that Morrison stopped the boats - Shorten was a federal Minister when the boats were flooding in and facilitated the people smugglers by supporting lax, leftie laws back then.
    Shorten and his union/green mates have not changed their spots.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    12:11pm
    Absolutely Not a Bludger! For anyone who was unsure about Bill Shorten's leadership ability, they need not be now. He and Hinch should be on trial for treason.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    12:50pm
    Morrison has not stopped the boats, but he has turned them back. The exact details unknown because since the Liberals have been in power, border control has been shrouded in secrecy
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    12:53pm
    Sundays , admit it. You just cannot stomach the fact that the LnP stopped the boats dead.
    Now you resort to conspiracy theories. I spose you believe that the NY twin tower attack was a lie as well

    Grow up
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    1:02pm
    No Lothario my information is correct and comes from friends in Immigration, and Defence
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    1:10pm
    Greens aren’t very supportive of labor. They have even voted with LNP in recent years.
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    1:25pm
    ROFLAMO - youre leftie mates who work in government
    If they really told you that, then they should be sacked for leaking classified info.
    If there were genuine they should report it through formal channels and be protected by the whistleblowers Act

    Pull the other one Sundays
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    1:25pm
    ROFLAMO - youre leftie mates who work in government
    If they really told you that, then they should be sacked for leaking classified info.
    If there were genuine they should report it through formal channels and be protected by the whistleblowers Act

    Pull the other one Sundays
    Knows-a-lot
    14th Feb 2019
    2:08pm
    We don't call the Lieberal trolls here "Rightards" for nothing: they are so intellectually retarded!
    SFR
    14th Feb 2019
    4:14pm
    "Morrison has not stopped the boats, but he has turned them back."
    Another moronic post by Sundays.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    5:15pm
    SFR, (or whover you were before you changed your name) Morrison keeps saying that he has stopped the boats, implying that he has stopped people smugglers and that is not the case. Boats from Indonesia have kept coming but have been turned back before they reached Australia
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    5:53pm
    Knows-a-lot - this is standard LNP rhetoric. This mob are experts at labelling those who oppose it, throwing mud and posting lies and intentional BS to deceive those who read their posts. They are what they are.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    9:46am
    Most if not all are not illegal, what have they been charged with and what was their sentence?
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    11:12am
    Lothario, just Google for yourself how many boats have tried to come and been turned back since 2013, quite a few, and who knows how many more that they have kept secret
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    6:54pm
    And the same goes for you SFR just Google for yourself and find out just how many boats have been turned back dince this govt took office.
    SFR
    17th Feb 2019
    2:23pm
    If Boats have been TURNED BACK preventing them from reaching Australia, then to any intelligent person they have been Stopped. (from reaching Australia)
    How hard is that to understand.
    Misty
    17th Feb 2019
    5:35pm
    Sorry SFR, I stand by my comment, the boats haved not been stopped trying to reach Australia.
    SFR
    18th Feb 2019
    8:43am
    Have they reached Australia?
    Misty
    18th Feb 2019
    9:24am
    That is not ther point SFR , they are still coming.
    Anonymous
    18th Feb 2019
    9:28am
    Misty - you are one of the thickest people I have had the displeasure of meeting on here . You can join Sunday’s Mick Trebor Knpws a lot and 1984 as the group of resident idiots
    Misty
    18th Feb 2019
    9:30am
    It is not correct for ther Coalition to keep saying they have stopped the boats, what they should be saying is, "The boats are still coming but we have stopped them reaching Australia". Do we know, and will we ever know, if any have actually reached Australia's shores?, with all the secrecy surrounding Border Protection who knows.
    Anonymous
    18th Feb 2019
    9:32am
    During the Rudd Gillard era 800 boats arrived
    Since The adults took charge only 33 have attempted to reach our shores and all have been turned away
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    18th Feb 2019
    11:51am
    Lothario, if anyone is an idiot it's you mate, a complete twat all rolled into one with all your other mates on here. All you do is flame people & put them down, never contribute anything worthwhile but always saying how great you are.
    You're just the usual bullie of very low intellect.
    Apart from that, you told us you were leaving YLC, so f off asap s..t for brains
    Misty
    18th Feb 2019
    1:34pm
    That is what they tell us Lothario but with the secrecy that surrounds Asylum Seekers and Border Protection who knows what the real figure is.
    ardnher
    19th Feb 2019
    5:29pm
    all the detention centres were closed and we are no longer spending billions running them.

    no one has reached here, so no need to keep them open...logical!
    GD
    14th Feb 2019
    10:53am
    Being a ex-Villawood Immigration detention Officer, Mr Morrison is correct and accurate for his concerns for opening up the borders. He was the former Immigration Officer and the best till Mr Dutton stepped up.

    It is a fact that each detainee on the islands has one doctor each. They have the best treatment, something only pensioners dream of.

    This bill is only to serve those greedy doctors who want to drain the swamp of money, such as Kerryn Phelps. I wouldn't be surprised if she was the doctor appointed to oversee all this. A hidden agenda from the beginning.

    And yes getting the Island ready is a great step.

    Under Labour people people were coming thick and fast, and as the detentions centres were full to the brim, illegals were brought off the boats and sent straight out to the public with a hand full of cash, condoms and new documents as they had thrown their documents overboard.

    God Help us!!
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:15am
    I thought this was for emergency medical treatment only - serious stuff that a GP is not supposed to handle....

    Under LNP people are coming thick and fast but the reports are buried - which do you prefer in government? Open or closed?
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    11:16am
    Reports are buried ???
    ROFLMAO
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    11:58am
    Don't bother at present TREBOR as the current government is in election mode, which you can see by the propaganda posing as fact doing the rounds.
    One has to laugh at the trolls trying to run the 'its all Labors fault' BS. These guys are like their leader: abject liars.
    KSS
    14th Feb 2019
    12:31pm
    Well past experience says no TREBOR.

    Currently there is a woman allowed to come to Australia for treatment - turns out she has constipation - hardly a life/death emergency. And another was brought here for an ingrowing toenail and headaches. Both of which a nurse in a factory could have handles never mind the fully qualified Australian doctors on the islands in the brand spanking new medical centre (which incidentally is better manned and equipped than many rural and remote facilities in Australia). And once here, every one of the 500+ here for 'medical treatment' has applied for asylum as soon as they got here with the aid of do-gooder lawyers. It will be no different for the remaining 1000 people on the islands. All that is in question is just how long it will take to get here.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    1:11pm
    GD, I note you say Ex Detention Officer, if you were any such thing at all. Perhaps your dishonesty was the reason you were let go.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    1:30pm
    GD, good post mate!
    I note Lefty supporters will try to discredit you because they aren't intelligent enough to process facts.
    Knows-a-lot
    14th Feb 2019
    2:11pm
    Us lefties are a hell of a lot brighter than you and your dumb Rightard mates, Adrianus.
    Knows-a-lot
    14th Feb 2019
    2:11pm
    Us lefties are a hell of a lot brighter than you and your dumb Rightard mates, Adrianus.
    john
    14th Feb 2019
    6:31pm
    GD THERE ARE ABOUT 6 TO 7 REFUGEES PER ONE DOCTOR, AND THEY ALREADY SEND SERIOUS CASES TO AUSTRALIA, THIS LAW CHANGE IS NOT ABOUT REFUGEES, IT IS SOMETHING MORE SINISTER. People need to sit up and look. But get your facts straight, our government just failed in parliament, over nothing just a not needed, new law. Think on that, forget all the emotional bullshit!
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    8:47pm
    Hogwash! Pensioners can access specialists and have any needed test in Australia.
    Top hospitals around Australia with every modern piece of equipment isnothing like a third world country.
    Also, LABOR,
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:22pm
    You can prove all this, GC - the condoms of cash etc?
    arbee
    15th Feb 2019
    2:05am
    It would appear that the labour apologist, Mick has gone into full damage control for his labour mates. Even though he is closely related to blind Freddie even he can see that this latest move by shortcake is damaging their election chances, so he has now resorted to abusing anyone who supports the governments policy on illegals. Grow up Mick and look at what is really happening before it is too late for our country to survive as we know it.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    11:14am
    Rubbis GD that is not correct, there are 40 doctors allocated to the refugees but they go there on a rotational basis , maybe only a couple on the islands at any given time.
    ancal
    14th Feb 2019
    11:01am
    Sorry, But where is the course that is missing in education, COMMON SENSE! We now have taken the protection away from the Australian people and have opened them to undesirable people. Yes, I feel greatly for sick people, but really what did they do in their country of origan do be where they are? What are all the doctors that are with them now, Australian doctors, some of them, perhaps they are not true Australians either. More taxpayers who are paying for all this mess, when we had things in place to protect Australia and us, the people. Politicians are not worthy of being paid, we pensioners don't get any special treatment and now have to put up with these new pollies.
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    1:12pm
    Do some research about conditions around the world. You would be looking to flee from many places too. Only luck landed you where you are!
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:47pm
    ancal, the major problem as I see it, is none of these so called refugees live in Greens electorates. That's right when there is a maniac mowing down street walkers it is not under their noses.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:47pm
    ancal, the major problem as I see it, is none of these so called refugees live in Greens electorates. That's right when there is a maniac mowing down street walkers it is not under their noses.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:26pm
    Australia is not open to undesirable people -undesirables are weeded out - if they have a serious criminal record or any terrorist affiliation, they are rejected.

    Most of the problems we have in this nation today are from second and third generation descendants of migrants and refugees from certain areas - not from refugees who have arrived here by boat.

    Thus far NO refugee who has been cleared, and who has arrived by boat, has turned out to be a terrorist or a criminal.

    All of our problems arrive by plane after being cleared...... think it through, people......
    arbee
    15th Feb 2019
    2:09am
    Trebor what rock or cabbage leaf have you been hiding under for years. There have been many reported incidents in most capitol cities from recent arrived refugees. You can thank the current governments policies that have kept many of them out of our country which has prevented many more incidences from occurring. If the left have their way we will have anarchy in Australia.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    11:18am
    Well arbee if there have been many reported incidents as you say, then who let these people into Australia and allowed them to stay, was it this Coalition Government?
    ardnher
    19th Feb 2019
    5:33pm
    as was said in Question 'Time we can stop undesirables coming in by other means into Australia but we cannot stop undesirab les on Nauru/Manus if they say they are "ill"!!!! and are taken off for medical assessment.
    BigAl
    14th Feb 2019
    11:02am
    Labour has opened up the flood gates. This is the far lefts agenda to have open borders all around the world. The cost will be enormous both financially and in human life. Why isn't the Liberal party running adds on TV about Labours stupid policies.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:02pm
    BigAl - one of the known trolls posting for the government on this website to get it re-elected. Disgraceful.
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    1:13pm
    LABOR
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    1:35pm
    BigAl they must be relying on the intellectual capacity of those who respect that we need Border Security?
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:50pm
    BigAl is a known LNP stoolie. Y=But you know that.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:32pm
    There are no open borders - Australia is an island with no 'open borders' or even mutual borders, and anyone who claims asylum as required is detained and then checked.... if rejected sent away, if not accepted.. and onlythose who get in through 'open borders' are people who come in on a legitimate visa and then over-stay... often without declaring refugee status at a port of entry as required.

    People who legitimately claim asylum are the ones being punished - not those who secretly invade this nation, and a huge amount of cash is spent on tracking them down and arresting them.

    I've studied this at tertiary level.... along with a number of other things.... terrorism/counter-terrorism, and such.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:33pm
    Government will bear me out:-

    https://www.humanrights.gov.au/face-facts-asylum-seekers-and-refugees
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    9:47am
    The cost is already enormous, do you have any idea what it costs to run the concentration camps?
    Anonymous
    15th Feb 2019
    9:50am
    Concentration camps ?
    ROFLMAO
    What a nutter
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    2:31pm
    ex PS are you asking for costings under a Labor Government? $16B.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    2:31pm
    ex PS are you asking for costings under a Labor Government? $16B.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    5:46pm
    I don't remember asking for or relating figures for any government, I actually voted against the Labor party because of its boat people policy. This is about common decency and humanity, it should be above politics.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:00pm
    What rot BigAl, the Coalition has already brought 1000 refugees, who knows maybe more, to Australia for medical treatment and sent gamilies to the US and id this open the FLOOD GATES?, no of course it didn't, or if it has we will never know about it, what a load of nonsense, please get your facts right.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:02pm
    Sorry that should read," families to the US" and "did this open"
    ardnher
    19th Feb 2019
    5:35pm
    read today on news that America has knocked back over 200 on Manus/Nauru...so looks like we will be stuck with them IF they ever get to mainland Australia and not Christmas Island.

    I wonder how many lawyers will be champing at the bit to help them stay once they get to Christgmas Island?
    Fair Dinkum
    14th Feb 2019
    11:08am
    If we are going to bring these people to Australia because the medical treatment they get there is not good enough.Dose that mean that the local population will have to be bought here as well if the medical treatment is not good enough for the refugees why is it good enough for the locals.i guess not because refugees get priority over over everyone else including Australians.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:16am
    Local people can be shipped out for emergency medical treatment at any time it is required.... you are mumbling nonsense.
    Brissiegirl
    14th Feb 2019
    11:20am
    If you are an Australian taxpayer or former taxpayer living in an area where there's a shortage of medical services, you can wait 2+ years, often in pain, for an operation, particularly hip replacement, or a lengthy wait just to see a specialist. Country shoppers get on-site medical assistance for the most minor of complaints. Lately we've been informed about the high ratio of doctors to patients on Manus - if that's not enough to make wait-listed Australians' blood boil I don't know what is.
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    11:40am
    I'd love to have 1 doctor for every 4 people in my community.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:03pm
    Brissiegirl and OG - known trolls posting for the government on this website to get it re-elected. Disgraceful.
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    1:15pm
    For goodness sake, they are not coming to Australia with a cold or everyday GP fixes. They are ones who cannot be treated locally.
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    1:15pm
    For goodness sake, they are not coming to Australia with a cold or everyday GP fixes. They are ones who cannot be treated locally.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    11:21am
    Brissiegirl and OG please read the comments I have made a couple of times about the ratio of drs to refugees, so much incorrect information being put out by this govt.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:12am
    Lots of misconceptions and misinformation doing the rounds over REFUGEES (not immigrants), some deliberate, some just the usual inability of many to see simple realities.

    No boats, no gates opened - never were anyway.... anyone arriving here was subject to internment and processing, same as anywhere else the government chose to place the facilities for doing so. It was always irrelevant whether processing took place onshore or offshore - that one is laid to rest.

    As for medical treatment - what is the problem here? These people are in the care/safekeeping/custody of the government - it is incumbent upon this government to ensure that their genuine needs are met - and if that means they need to travel somewhere for urgent medical treatment - so be it.

    Someone suggested maybe Singapore... fine ... but the principle remains untouched that they must be treated somewhere, AND THEN RETURNED. Where are the 'open gates' etc?

    They come here (or singapore) for treatment, and then go back... WHERE IS THE PROBLEM?

    Of course the PM is lying - this doesn't suit his party's rabid exclusionist policies, and the bill passing was a blow to his ego and that of his party - of course he'll lash out like a startled octopus.
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    11:34am
    The only one thing the PM isn't doing is lying on this.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:07pm
    The PM lies about much of everything. He only has to open his mouth and there it goes again.
    Good try troll OG. Not working!
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    12:37pm
    TREBOR, the so called refugees were receiving appropriate medical treatment either offshore or in Australia. There were about 1000 refugees moved to Australia for medical reasons. The difference now is who has control over our immigration. Who would you like in charge of immigration?
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    2:47pm
    Good comments Trebor, I am still reading so much rubbish on here, yours is the only one that makes sense so far.
    GD
    14th Feb 2019
    2:48pm
    You are the only misinformation and misinformed person.

    Gates were opened - a lot arriving here was NOT subject to internment and processing.

    Like the 700 men that were given money condoms and new papers and sent to Perth and set free because the detentions were over flowing.

    I was one of the ones that had to help process this at Darwin and when you worked for SERCO (immigration) you had to sign a confidentiality clause. Now I can talk about it.

    Labour was our biggest liars and will always be when it come to border wars. There are two corporations profiting with open borders, Labour (more votes) and SERCO.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    7:07pm
    How can you say that, OG? His lips WERE moving......
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    7:11pm
    If they were receiving 'appropriate' and adequate medical treatment, why was there a need to bring them to Australia for treatment? Obviously because their condition needed more than the local doctor could or should provide.

    They go back once treatment is finished or they go into an onshore facility - somebody said above that they apply for asylum once they arrive here - they have already applied for asylum and are being held in Xmas Island for processing.

    I'm astounded at the baseless assumptions many make without reference to facts.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    9:52am
    Let politicians be in charge of immigration, but let doctors be in charge of health issues, if I am sick I am not going to go to my local member for treatment.
    The government has borrowed a tactic from the 1940's, tell a lie and repeat it often, if you tell the same lie often enough, the gullible and the puppets will start to believe and repeat it.
    BrianP
    14th Feb 2019
    11:25am
    Humanitarian??? There are many, many old, sick and vulnerable Australians here who would ask why the Government is doing this and not using the money to help our own people first.

    Yes WHY ?
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    11:30am
    I agree.
    SFR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:45am
    Australia has a first class medical system, it's called Medicare and is available to everyone.
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    1:16pm
    More rubbish!
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    7:12pm
    Because they have a duty of care....................
    Strummer
    15th Feb 2019
    8:02am
    In Australia, under the law, if the authorities put a person in detention [remand, jail, prison etc.] then those authorities are required to care for that person to the best of their ability.
    Strummer
    15th Feb 2019
    8:02am
    In Australia, under the law, if the authorities put a person in detention [remand, jail, prison etc.] then those authorities are required to care for that person to the best of their ability.
    BrianP
    14th Feb 2019
    11:26am
    Humanitarian??? There are many, many old, sick and vulnerable Australians here who would ask why the Government is doing this and not using the money to help our own people first.

    Yes WHY ?
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    12:15pm
    Precisely BrianP. This is disgraceful. Its not as if the "refugees" had no medical treatment. There was a medical person for every 7 "refugees."
    If only we had that sort of staffing level for our aged care facilities??
    In Australia we are lucky to have 1 GP for every 1200 people.
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    2:16pm
    Medicare-this government running it down so they can sell it to a mate probably so we will be just like the yanks
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    2:16pm
    Medicare-this government running it down so they can sell it to a mate probably so we will be just like the yanks
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    9:57am
    I believe the old, sick and vulnerable would have empathy and wish to help those in the same or worse position, greed and avarice are the province of the well off and entitled. I was bought up in a Housing Commission Estate, I never witnessed the people there doing anything to make life harder for the people around them who were mostly in the same boat.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    2:34pm
    "was bought up in a Housing Commission Estate" doesn't make you compassionate, empathetic, generous or anything else. Just as wealth doesn't automatically attract those values.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    2:34pm
    "was bought up in a Housing Commission Estate" doesn't make you compassionate, empathetic, generous or anything else. Just as wealth doesn't automatically attract those values.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    5:49pm
    No, but it gives me first hand knowledge of the thought processes of those I grew up with. Don't try to detract from the argument by deflection and dishonesty.
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    11:30am
    I'd be very angry if I had been in pain waiting months for elective surgery and then have it delayed due to non Australians being placed in the queue above me.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:10pm
    I'd be very angry if I were being financially savaged and my money and services were being transferred to wealthy citizens. I'd even more upset about the current government having run up hundreds of billions of dollars in wasteful debt (IT HAS!) and the media kept it quiet.

    OG - you are a troll mate. Try the other one.
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    12:14pm
    The debt was created by Labor - committed $Billions on wasteful expenditure when Aussie economy was booming on the back of China
    Stop your lies Mick, or are you just plain thick
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    12:17pm
    Now I realise you are a troll MICK!!!
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    12:17pm
    Now I realise you are a troll MICK!!!
    Brissiegirl
    14th Feb 2019
    12:19pm
    Dear Mick, by referring to OG as a troll anything you may have to say in an online forum comes over as entirely irrelevant. OG is entitled to his opinion as is anyone else. Of course certain minority groups are doing their best to silence Australians along the lines of communist Chinese.
    As for wealthy citizens, the usual mantra from the lunatic left, anyone with thinking powers knows that the poor will never be helped by cutting down the rich. It is the rich who take the risks, create employment and pay huge (HUGE) taxes.
    Brissiegirl
    14th Feb 2019
    12:58pm
    Dear Mick, by referring to OG as a troll anything you may have to say in an online forum comes over as entirely irrelevant. OG is entitled to his opinion as is anyone else. Of course certain minority groups are doing their best to silence Australians along the lines of communist Chinese.
    As for wealthy citizens, the usual mantra from the lunatic left, anyone with thinking powers knows that the poor will never be helped by cutting down the rich. It is the rich who take the risks, create employment and pay huge (HUGE) taxes.
    Brissiegirl
    14th Feb 2019
    12:58pm
    Dear Mick, by referring to OG as a troll anything you may have to say in an online forum comes over as entirely irrelevant. OG is entitled to his opinion as is anyone else. Of course certain minority groups are doing their best to silence Australians along the lines of communist Chinese.
    As for wealthy citizens, the usual mantra from the lunatic left, anyone with thinking powers knows that the poor will never be helped by cutting down the rich. It is the rich who take the risks, create employment and pay huge (HUGE) taxes.
    Brissiegirl
    14th Feb 2019
    12:58pm
    Dear Mick, by referring to OG as a troll anything you may have to say in an online forum comes over as entirely irrelevant. OG is entitled to his opinion as is anyone else. Of course certain minority groups are doing their best to silence Australians along the lines of communist Chinese.
    As for wealthy citizens, the usual mantra from the lunatic left, anyone with thinking powers knows that the poor will never be helped by cutting down the rich. It is the rich who take the risks, create employment and pay huge (HUGE) taxes.
    Paddington
    14th Feb 2019
    1:34pm
    Brissiegirl, only press once!
    Lunatic left is a bit loaded and shows your bias.
    Your last three lines are wrong from research. If they pay tax and pay their employees really well with benefits and support charities then yes, but not manydo any of those things, unfortunately! The few that do deserve your accolades but so does the poor one who pays a bit of tax and does an invaluable job that no one else will do.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    2:06pm
    Trolls are trolls and their dishonest comments and political BS tell the tale.

    For the record Labor did create the debt but perhaps some of the imbeciles pretending to post information need to look up the meaning of 'GFC' and read the "Australia has avoided a recession for twenty something years". All other countries sacked their workforce after the GFC and I find it laughable that the government trolls run the debt lie when they NEVER discuss how much the current batch have increased debt in 6 years when there was no GFC in sight in an improving world economic outlook.
    Maybe mention things like money wasted on Royal Commissions into unions and into Labor. Politically motivated. And then discuss tax cuts for rich Australians when everybody else is sinking.

    Tell me about Labor trolls!
    Knows-a-lot
    14th Feb 2019
    2:16pm
    To the moronic Rightard trolls here: Debt has MORE THAN DOUBLED under your beloved motley crew of Lieberals.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    5:56pm
    And that is but the start of the mob which has the hide to claim it is a government. Nothing more than a rich man's tool which cares zip about Australians other than the top end whom they regularly look for ways to give money to, let alone the 'schemes' the top uses to avoid the tax system the rest of us are expected to adhere to. Scum in suits.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    7:13pm
    You are always placed behind emergency cases, OG - nothing to see here.... move on.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    4:11pm
    Brissiegirl once was enough no need to repeat it 3 times.
    Buggsie
    14th Feb 2019
    11:36am
    Is Morrison so desperate to win the next election that he will arrange for a boat to successfully reach Australia? Why not? He is a proven liar and a member of the far right committed to Liberal party doctrine of " we rule by right not by talent". Watch the news, it may not be long before we see how desperate he and his party really is. Buggsie
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    11:38am
    He won't have to the boats are already on their way.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:11pm
    I'd be willing to bet Morrison and/or his cronies might be planning exactly that Bugsey. That way he'll get a self fulfilling outcome and will sit back and say 'I told you so'. The game plan!
    KSS
    14th Feb 2019
    12:56pm
    Unlike Mr Shorten eh Buggsie, who would never tell lies, right?

    Mediscare anyone?
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:19pm
    And hacking GetUp the week before. That of course must have been the Tooth Fairy!
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    2:51pm
    He may have also been the one to let the Indonesian press know about Christmas Island open again without knowing about the medi vac law.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    7:15pm
    Boats have never stopped, OG - they've been hijacked on the High Seas and forced to a port not of their choosing - it's called Piracy. Then 'our' government had the hide to refuse to publish reports on these events....
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    4:13pm
    For your information OG the boats have been on the way since this government took office, just Google the numbers.
    ardnher
    19th Feb 2019
    5:27pm
    no matter how many have tried they have failed to get here for the last three years. that is good enough for me
    beyond caring
    14th Feb 2019
    11:51am
    do you lot really understand what happening in our country today. Old Geezer claims to be just a old pension but like all labor con jobs "Old Geezer"more than likely dosen't even exist but its just a way of for the labor via Get-up to run with all crap stories and disrupt any solid concerns ave people have.
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    11:58am
    I exit alright.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:21pm
    Geezer is a government funded troll beyond caring. Been reading his nonsense for several years and what you get is either blatant government propaganda or him changing the subject to avoid the facts being discussed.
    WP
    14th Feb 2019
    4:10pm
    OK Old Geezer goodbye. Are you exiting stage left or right ?
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    7:15pm
    ...laughing all the way ......
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    11:56am
    There are reports coming through that there have been 300 medi vac forms signed already.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:13pm
    And there are reports the current government is so desperate that it'll pay trolls to post its lying propaganda.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    12:18pm
    OG, they will have 1000 before long.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    12:46pm
    Then thousands more once Senator Sarah Hanson-Young flies to Indonesia with the message.
    The door is not quite open but ajar for those who want to come.
    KSS
    14th Feb 2019
    1:01pm
    OG this morning there were 1000 illegal arrivals on Manus and Nauru: 300 who would 'qualify for medical transfers and two already had their forms signed by two doctors (presumably in readiness for the law passing). It is not clear this afternoon how many more forms have already been signed, but I would suggest by the end of the month those 300 will be in Australia and the other 700 waiting with signed forms.

    After all if constipation gets you airlifted here for treatment, telling a doctor you are 'anxious' or 'depressed' on the islands will get you immediate transfer for mental health treatment surely.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:22pm
    Wow. When you get 3 trolls commenting, one after the other, there must be real panic and desperation in the ranks of this government. The government needs to pay you more guys.
    WP
    14th Feb 2019
    4:14pm
    My understanding is that the Minister still has ability to refuse the transfer in grounds of criminal record, terrorist links and a few other reasons. I am sure he will be exercising that discretion.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    7:16pm
    Yo godda link dere, Bro - or you jest frothin' at da mouth?
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    4:19pm
    No TREBOR I rang Bill Shorten's office and asked the very same question, "who has the final say"?,, I was told it will still be the Home Affairs Minister so stop with your lies please, not you TREBOR but anyone who says this is not true.
    PRJ
    14th Feb 2019
    11:59am
    There are 67 doctors available to the refugees on Nauru & Manus Island. That provides a ratio of one doctor to seven refugees, better than any Australian. The new law is simply expressive of a movement that no longer believes in national borders. The application of this mentality in Europe has seen chaos as traditional culture & laws are attacked. I would have thought we would be wise enough in Australia to look & learn
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:14pm
    I'll agree that we are in a game. So many people cannot be 'sick' all at one time. I recognise a scam when I see one.
    thommo
    14th Feb 2019
    2:28pm
    PRJ...you say there is a ratio of one doctor for every 7 refugees....Well you can blame the LNP govt for that...and no one else.....
    SFR
    14th Feb 2019
    4:24pm
    From the ABC
    They spent up to five years trying to get off Nauru, but now it seems that some of the refugees who've been resettled in the United States want to return to the Pacific Island.

    Around 300 refugees have been resettled from Nauru under a refugee swap deal between the US and Australian governments.

    The President of Nauru says he's now had requests from up to forty refugees in the US wanting to come back to the island nation.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    5:58pm
    Of course SFR. Australia was always the prize for immigrants calling themselves 'refugees'. The land of honey where you can avoid work. Why do you think they do not even want to go to New Zealand which is a lovely place where citizens are safe?
    thommo
    14th Feb 2019
    12:00pm
    OG and L, you are scaremongering...you obviously don't know what this new legislation means. And Morrison is lying, just as John Hewson says he will have.
    But you should use your own commonsense instead of listening to Morrison's BS.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:16pm
    Good observation thommo. The problem with a known liar is that they lose all credibility and you have to doubt everything they say after that. Add to that the ability of a man like Morrison to misconstrue the truth and you have a recipe for rejection. We'll likely never know the truth because the mainstream media is a player and hides the (unpopular) facts which are not in the interests of the top end of town.
    Keep 'em coming thommo.

    14th Feb 2019
    12:12pm
    Yep Labor and greens are happy to let in low life criminals - murderers , rapists, terrorists
    for the sake of a few votes
    Disgraceful
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:19pm
    The next Donald Trump look alike comment from a known troll. No credibility!
    thommo
    14th Feb 2019
    2:15pm
    lothario, the people you describe won't be coming to Australia (err,,,Christmas Island), because they won't qualify, and in any event, the relevant Minister will stop them.....
    So you are misrepresent what this medivac legislation means....what a fool....
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    2:54pm
    Lothario sounds like Peter Dutton.
    WP
    14th Feb 2019
    4:16pm
    The Minister still has the power to refuse entry to any of the people you mentioned.
    WP
    14th Feb 2019
    4:19pm
    Haha they don't need the votes bud it's in the bag. If anything this could lose them votes.
    Paddington
    17th Feb 2019
    5:23pm
    Ha ha so funny! ‘Murderers, rapists,terrorists..’
    What about the thousands that fly in? Only the desperate without an ID take a rickety boat!
    How about addressing the issue of women being murdered by their spouses?
    Why do you think the problem is a few desperate men who have mostly proven refugee status?!
    You sound like deluded Trump!
    beyond caring
    14th Feb 2019
    12:13pm
    Getup claims OG is real ....just like so many other things they do like mass providing of crap "news" stories and running one sided polls..and then stacking the results ...
    yeah sure OG is real ... a real pain in the A*#.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:20pm
    Funny...but true. More like a mosquito which keeps buzzing around and making irrelevant and dishonest comments. That's how trolls work but luckily most of the genuine readers of the website recognise those who are paid to post the lies to create doubt in the minds of readers.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    12:59pm
    I thought Getup were Left Wing whereas OG like Lothario are so Right Wing I wonder if They have a heart or just a swinging brick.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    5:59pm
    A Little Red Book is the more likely one Sundays.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    14th Feb 2019
    12:19pm
    Compulsory euthanasia often springs to mind when the delusion blindly follow the irrational (and misproven) ideology of prime ministers past and present.

    "90% against this amendment"
    "this amendment is what will start the boats"
    "paper cuts"

    You guys are going to have to stop smoking that stuff ... or pass it around.

    I think our delusional trolls, OG and L, might just be the soon to be former Minister for border paTROL.
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    When people call me a troll I know what I have said is right and they just fail to accept it.
    Knows-a-lot
    14th Feb 2019
    2:21pm
    Dream on OG...
    Waiting to retire at 70
    14th Feb 2019
    12:19pm
    Compulsory euthanasia often springs to mind when the delusion blindly follow the irrational (and misproven) ideology of prime ministers past and present.

    "90% against this amendment"
    "this amendment is what will start the boats"
    "paper cuts"

    You guys are going to have to stop smoking that stuff ... or pass it around.

    I think our delusional trolls, OG and L, might just be the soon to be former Minister for border paTROL.
    KSS
    14th Feb 2019
    12:20pm
    If anyone thinks that a single one of the remaining 1000 illegal migrants on Nauru and Manus Islands will still be there in a month's time, they are dreaming.

    This whole thing was started by a GP who got a petition up and amassed 4000+ GPs all beying for the release of the 'refugees' and that they be allowed to all come to Australia. Just how long do you think it will take to have two doctors sign off on the medical imperative they have treatment in Australia? And that means they will all stay. After all, not a single one of nearly 500 already here have been sent back after treatment. Every one has applied through the courts for settlement here. And that includes the woman who was constipated and the other with an ingrowing toenail.

    The fact is the 74 who voted against this bill are correct. The smugglers will be readying their boats as we speak. And if anyone believes Mr Shorten will not further water down this legislation, they are seriously deluded. Yes the laws may only apply to the current residents on the Islands, but if the pundits are right and Mr Shorten wins the election with a landslide, this will be right at the top of the agenda pushed by the Greens and Independent bleeding hearts.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    12:22pm
    KSS: you are one of the known government trolls on this website. Your comment is as expected.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    1:17pm
    KSS, there is a reason that the Polls show Labor will win the next election. Thinking Australians are sick of this Government. The worst thing they did was getting rid of Malcolm Turnbull, and this stunt is a last ditch attempt to sway the public because they have no articulated policies
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:27pm
    More than that we all know this lot have run up debt far far greater than Labor ever did during the GFC, not that you'll see this on the media who are shielding the crooks in suits. And then there is the huge tax cuts for those who have had significant salary increases in the past 10 years. The same bastards screamed blue murder when their company tax rates were not lowered as well.
    We are all sick of this lying low life scum. Call the election!
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:00am
    That is true KSS, the governments treatment of them has probably pushed them all into the higher scale of mental health problems. They caused the mess and now it is up to the more responsible politicians to clean it up, at our expense. All in order to win an election, what a waste.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    4:23pm
    What rot KSS, the boats have never stopped coming, it is just that our Border Patrol turns them back, after all that is what we are paying them to do.
    SFR
    17th Feb 2019
    2:43pm
    Nobody is saying that the boats Stopped Coming, but unlike when Labor was in Govt. and the boats reached Australia, under this current Govt. They Have Stopped Them from reaching Australia. So when they say they Stopped The Boats, they are correct.
    Dave R
    14th Feb 2019
    12:21pm
    I see the government paid trolls are very active posting to support the governments latest desperate attempt to save themselves from electoral annihilation. Sorry trolls very few people take you or your government seriously any more.
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    12:25pm
    so you agree with Labor policy to bring on the boats then.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:28pm
    Spot on Dave. Clear as mud.
    I have to laugh at the post above. If the boats restart I'd be looking at the current government and if they paid for this to happen.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:02am
    Of course some boats will get through, the government will make sure they do, and they will probably report some children overboard for good measure. Some out there will actually fall for it.
    Anonymous
    16th Feb 2019
    9:37am
    what a disgusting comment exPS
    I suppose tht was how you behaved when the taxpayer was paying your bloated salary for pushing paper in the public service. You seem to think everyone has your low moral standards
    Anonymous
    16th Feb 2019
    9:37am
    what a disgusting comment exPS
    I suppose tht was how you behaved when the taxpayer was paying your bloated salary for pushing paper in the public service. You seem to think everyone has your low moral standards
    micko
    14th Feb 2019
    12:25pm
    Time will tell how this all pans out but if I was on Manus or Nauru I'd be desperately trying to get injured and shipped to Oz for treatment, and then lock myself into the legal system for refugee status. It'll be interesting to see how many on Manus and Nauru now use this.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    I agree.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    12:27pm
    Misty, where are you?

    You repeatedly stated that Labor had learned their lesson on Border Security. What is your view now?
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    In case you have never noticed most people who arrive in Australia do so by plane and disappear into the big cities. Boat people are an issue albeit only a small one. If governments processed and sent back immigrants there would be no boat people. The problem is government created.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:36pm
    Mick I hope you don't have any children, seriously mate?! Those who come by plane have documents, we know who they are. There were 200,000 refugees who came in by plane during the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd experiment. Those who come by boat don't want to be recognised because they are mostly not wanted in their own country for various reasons, some may also be ISIS fighters. Boat people are not a small issue. We need to protect our borders. Why don't you understand that??
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:36pm
    Mick I hope you don't have any children, seriously mate?! Those who come by plane have documents, we know who they are. There were 200,000 refugees who came in by plane during the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd experiment. Those who come by boat don't want to be recognised because they are mostly not wanted in their own country for various reasons, some may also be ISIS fighters. Boat people are not a small issue. We need to protect our borders. Why don't you understand that??
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    6:04pm
    I do have children and they are working Australians.
    This issue is NOT about how immigrants arrive or at least it should not be. It is about whether Australia needs to may people (we don't) and how we can all afford the huge infrastructure, housing, services and unemployment benefits bill. We cannot afford the number of immigrants who demand to get in and we should not destroy the viability of the driest continent on the planet to appease political parties not wanting to offend voters.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    9:54pm
    Sorry MICK, I owe your children an apology. I'm sure they are a lot smarter than you. And you know what? You make more sense after the 5 O'clock bell too. :)
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    9:54pm
    Sorry MICK, I owe your children an apology. I'm sure they are a lot smarter than you. And you know what? You make more sense after the 5 O'clock bell too. :)
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:46pm
    I have children and grand-children - all geniuses..... and I agree with Mick based on my tertiary education ....I think you need a good long hard look at yourself Adrie....

    Not only that, but I'm sure the forum would benefit from your sticking to the point and not playing the man... when I played first grade Rugby and one International, I always had a policy of playing hard but fair.....
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    4:29pm
    You obviously haven't been reading all the comments here Adrianus or you would have seen mine, go back and read them and you will find what my take on Kerryn Phelps Medivac bill is.SM is the one stirring the beast with all this scare talk and opening Xmas Island, that was a big boo boo and at what cost to the taxpayer?.Oh and btw Adrianus you do not have to repeat yourself, once is more then enough.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    9:10am
    In my day we had the ability to play the man and the ball. We were winners because we wanted to win. In those days wanting to win was a quality to be admired both by your team mates and adversaries. In those days, your toughness was measured by your admiration of your opponent after the bell.
    ex PS
    16th Feb 2019
    9:25am
    It is estimated that up to 64,00 people have arrived by plane and are seeking asylum, what is the government doing about this problem? Seems it is easier to just isolate the most vulnerable and make them into election campaign fodder.
    This is not about security it is about a desperate group of over entitled old men seeking power at any cost.
    They have manufactured a problem that is not as big as made out, in order to fool people into voting for them.
    DLJD
    14th Feb 2019
    12:32pm
    The new law only applies to a limited number of detainees but any change in approach will have the boat smugglers back in business and deaths on the sea....
    DLJD
    14th Feb 2019
    12:32pm
    The new law only applies to a limited number of detainees but any change in approach will have the boat smugglers back in business and deaths on the sea....

    14th Feb 2019
    12:34pm
    I can't wait for the lefty ABC to have "show" after show in the name of objective journalism, with a panel of lefty guests and biased audience in support of this labor/green disastrous policy
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    12:41pm
    I think Phelps career as a Politician is over. There is no way she could possibly win back her seat in May. Not after lying to the electorate about wanting to join the LNP.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:34pm
    Lefty ABC. What about EVERY MAJOR MEDIA OUTLET - right wing propaganda tools.
    Have a look for yourself stooge:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    Don't tell me....fake news?????

    You have zero credibility Lothario. Troll!
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    6:06pm
    Waiting for you to address the FACTS Lothario. Too difficult to do? What about a 'pink batts and halls comment'? Haven't heard one of those for a while and your normal fob off of the facts.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:51pm
    So you want people in need of emergency medical treatment which is unavailable where they are, and when those people are in the custody of this nation, to not receive treatment, Lothario?

    Do you understand what custody means? It means holding while protecting.......
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:05am
    Don't worry Lothario you can watch SKY NEWS and get the truth. LOL
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    4:32pm
    Yes Paul Murray, Campbell Newman, Bronwyn Bishop, Garry Hargreaves, Rowan Dean and Caroline Marcus, just to name a few on Sky News.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    14th Feb 2019
    12:43pm
    Compulsory euthanasia often springs to mind when the delusion blindly follow the irrational (and misproven) ideology of prime ministers past and present.

    "90% against this amendment"
    "this amendment is what will start the boats"
    "paper cuts"

    You guys are going to have to stop smoking that stuff ... or pass it around.

    I think our delusional trolls, OG and L, might just be the soon to be former Minister for border paTROL.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    14th Feb 2019
    12:43pm
    Compulsory euthanasia often springs to mind when the delusion blindly follow the irrational (and misproven) ideology of prime ministers past and present.

    "90% against this amendment"
    "this amendment is what will start the boats"
    "paper cuts"

    You guys are going to have to stop smoking that stuff ... or pass it around.

    I think our delusional trolls, OG and L, might just be the soon to be former Minister for border paTROL.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    14th Feb 2019
    12:44pm
    Compulsory euthanasia often springs to mind when the delusion blindly follow the irrational (and misproven) ideology of prime ministers past and present.

    "90% against this amendment"
    "this amendment is what will start the boats"
    "paper cuts"

    You guys are going to have to stop smoking that stuff ... or pass it around.

    I think our delusional trolls, OG and L, might just be the soon to be former Minister for border paTROL.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:08am
    They are following the old strategy, "Tell a lie often enough and it will eventually become the truth."
    Political stooges always reveal themselves by always following the Party line no matter what. Good for a laugh anyway. They actually do more harm for their party than good.
    Waiting to retire at 70
    14th Feb 2019
    12:44pm
    Compulsory euthanasia often springs to mind when the delusion blindly follow the irrational (and misproven) ideology of prime ministers past and present.

    "90% against this amendment"
    "this amendment is what will start the boats"
    "paper cuts"

    You guys are going to have to stop smoking that stuff ... or pass it around.

    I think our delusional trolls, OG and L, might just be the soon to be former Minister for border paTROL.
    Jaz
    14th Feb 2019
    12:57pm
    Lothario - If Morrison is a salt of the earth kinda guy with good Christian values why did he soooo loudly and definitely vote 26 times AGAINST an enquiry into the banks. All of them would be aware that something was rotten in that area BUT it was their job to protect the big end of town and their contributors and were they all ever pulled kicking and screaming into what they had tried so desperately to avoid.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:34pm
    Good post. I had almost forgotten about that.
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    2:33pm
    And is it true that the tax payer has to pay what the Banks should pay to the customers for what they took of them
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    2:33pm
    And is it true that the tax payer has to pay what the Banks should pay to the customers for what they took of them
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    2:58pm
    Now he is trying to win back the votes of the people by scaremongering. I hope the Australian people can see through his lies and deceit.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    6:07pm
    For the life of me I cannot understand how even a half wit could vote LNP. Many Australians will. Are our citizens really so easily taken in and can they not see through this crooked to the core government? Maybe not.
    SFR
    18th Feb 2019
    8:49am
    Mick, they are that thick going by the latest Gallop Poll, but, most can't see past the 2 party system that has created our current problems. It wouldn't surprise me if Clive Palmer doesn't get a couple of seats.
    Jaz
    14th Feb 2019
    12:57pm
    Lothario - If Morrison is a salt of the earth kinda guy with good Christian values why did he soooo loudly and definitely vote 26 times AGAINST an enquiry into the banks. All of them would be aware that something was rotten in that area BUT it was their job to protect the big end of town and their contributors and were they all ever pulled kicking and screaming into what they had tried so desperately to avoid.
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    1:14pm
    The RC was nothing more than a witch hunt.
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    1:14pm
    The RC was nothing more than a witch hunt.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    1:20pm
    Jaz, have you noticed Morrison has stopped wearing the cap. Feedback from focus groups was they didnt trust the salt of the earth act.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:36pm
    So theft and destituting thousands of hard working Australians is a "witch hunt"?
    You are an irrelevant troll Lothario. I hope you are sacked after the government is thrown out and that you do it tough for you dishonesty and sins against humanity.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    1:41pm
    Jaz, Why you may ask did Labor MP's and Senators vote against the BRC? In the end it was Scott Morrison who called the BRC, and that's all that really matters isn't it?
    But what does that have to do with STOPPING THE BOATS???!!!
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    2:08pm
    Yes troll. Called a BRC after voting against it 26 times? You must be joking.
    Stop the boats? How about stop the trolls? Starting with you.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:39pm
    The LNP government stopped the boats, but nobody can stop the idiots.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:39pm
    The LNP government stopped the boats, but nobody can stop the idiots.
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    4:02pm
    Hahaha . Good one Adrianus
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    6:09pm
    So now we change the subject to the Abbott 'Stop the Boats' BS? That's how government funded trolls post.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:54pm
    How many boats did they stop, boys? Nobody knows since they won't say....... so they didn't 'stop the boats', did they - they merely diverted them and hid the facts....

    Sounds like Hitler's Germany to me.... the people have no right to know the truth....
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:11am
    Yep, and now they will start them again in order to try and steal the election. Just wait.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    8:53am
    TREBOR they stopped 810 as of their last report. I cannot believe the extent of this tribal madness.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    7:21pm
    They are asylum claimants - their status is to be determined by the vetting process.

    You cannot say they are immigrants - only the government agency responsible can do that, and besides, under the current rules, even if positively vetted they will not settle here.

    Get hold of yourself, man - people are watching.....
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:55pm
    Immigrants and Asylum Seekers are two different categories.... **eye rolling emoticon required**
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:18am
    Even the government agrees, they are genuine refugees, otherwise they would have been sent back to where they came from. Off shore processing is all about denying people access to legal processes. This indicates that the government fears that an investigation into their rights as asylum seekers would see them settled in this country.
    This is not about security, it is about winning elections, and seeing that voters can use other peoples pain and suffering as a reason to vote for a political organisation unsettles me extremely.
    The government is obviously afraid to let us see exactly who and under what circumstances we are locking people up, that is suspicious to me.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    Mojobomber
    18th Feb 2019
    2:57pm
    Well you would know all about dickheads. Your name sounds like a style of condom.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    4:44pm
    No need to repeat yourself this many times HDRider, once was enough, just as you are entitled to voice your opinion on here, so is everyone else, regardless of wether you agree with them or not.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:29pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    Some of you need to wake the f%&* up and understand that these are illegals and just make it harder for our own people to get a house, and to get on.
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:30pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    HDRider
    14th Feb 2019
    1:31pm
    There are some really big dick heads that get on here, have some of you got nothing better to do than get on here and argue and fight over your brand of politics?
    These are NOT refugees, they are MIGRANTS, they already landed somewhere else, they want in here because they heery housing and free money!
    Did any of you read the charges against two of these MEN for sexual assault on a child and the implications therein. The ever caring Phelps doesn't give a shit, the genius don't give a shit and nor does the cretin Hinch because it's all about them!
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:40pm
    Same post 28 times? Who's the "dick head" HDRider?
    Apologies for getting into the gutter with you but your language is not acceptable.

    If you are plugging the LNP then you are in a majority here today. Better you leave it alone unless you are in the troll club which has been sent here to post their vile stuff to help secure votes for this corrupt government.
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    4:01pm
    No one is plugging any party Mick
    Those who care for this country are expressing their opinion on which party’s policies make tne most sense . In this case it’s the LNP’s
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    6:12pm
    Nobody cares more for our country than I. That's why I waste my time trying to neutralise trolls like you who post government BS. If you were anything other then you would not avoid debating the facts.
    I welcome "opinion" but I abhor propaganda from you and your fellow workers Lothario.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:20am
    Yeah man, once. was quite enough.
    Brissiegirl
    15th Feb 2019
    3:07pm
    Dear Mick,

    Your rude, bombastic "take-over the forum" posts are a major reason as to why I rarely frequent this site. Your tone is that of a typical bully, the style curiously as many mild-mannered Australians know to inhabit unions. When you try to shut down another opinion by insulting the writer as a "troll" you show yourself up as a Labor plant.

    However, it doesn't matter how much you try to send people away from this opinion forum, or to try and convince them to vote socialist, it won't work for very long. That's the general theme these days. Just call someone a troll, a racist or a misogynist in the hope they will put their tails between their legs and disappear. I've got news for you - Mick. It's not working so you better improve your manners if you want anyone to take your strident socialist views a little more seriously. Thank you.
    Maxyboy
    14th Feb 2019
    1:36pm
    If we take a line from the many disability dole bludgers who have conned their way on to welfare, it won't be long before all of Manus Island refugees will have fictitious illness. These cons have the doctors here convinced they are genuine.
    Knows-a-lot
    14th Feb 2019
    2:33pm
    "Disability dole bludgers"? Newstart and the Disability Support Pension are two entirely different things. It is incredibly difficult to get onto a DSP, and only the genuinely disabled receive it. Given the idiocy of your post, I'd say you have a strong case for becoming a disability pensioner, since you are obviously a moron with less brains than my boy-cat Maxi.
    Maxyboy
    14th Feb 2019
    2:58pm
    I think you change your name to Knows F all. The people I spoke of have the same ideals, bludging. Maybe you may be a sympathiser of those who want everything and contribute nothing.
    Robbo
    14th Feb 2019
    4:00pm
    Let me tell you Maxy knows f all used to lecture at universities and he is now on freeloaders pension perhaps he did the usual Labor thing you know with the pupils that Labor scum do.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    7:22pm
    And you know this how, Maxyboy? Got any proof or just the views of Red Neckery?
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:14pm
    You need reporting Robbo for what you are implying in your comment about Labor and pupils, I hope the moderator sees sense and removes your comment.
    Mojobomber
    18th Feb 2019
    3:00pm
    Don't worry Misty, I have reported Robbo. If this site allows publication of that sort of scandalous allegation then they are compliant.
    Misty
    18th Feb 2019
    10:31pm
    Mojobomber I have written to the YLC'S Team about the language used on this site a few timesin the last couple of days and no one ever bothers to reply, it looks like anyone can say anything on here and call anyone whatever name they like and no one in admin does anything about it. Maybe if we all took our names off the mailing list they might do something then.
    BundyGil
    14th Feb 2019
    1:37pm
    LNP stops the boats dead? What BS!
    What a joke! The boats have never stopped, just reduced in numbers. The reason most don't arrive here is due to the Australian and Indonesian navies stopping them on the water.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    1:42pm
    I see, the boats didn't stop because they were stopped? That makes sense.
    MICK
    14th Feb 2019
    1:44pm
    50/50 on that one. They have effectively stopped for a number of reasons. One is that the immigrants were told they'd never get citizenship here. The second is they were shipped out to user unfriendly outposts like America where life a is a lot tougher.
    The only real issue is if Shorten will crumble on this. Given the Greens had the gun to the head of Labor last time around I suspect it is important that Labor is elected with a clear majority so that it governments in its own right. That way we can judge Labor properly.

    Oh yes.....the number of unneeded immigrants in this country is clear to all of us. The flood needs to end.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    2:06pm
    They haven’t stopped coming. There have been less of them, and they have been turned back. I’m sure that will continue
    GD
    14th Feb 2019
    2:40pm
    The boats were stopped, why do you think the detentions have been closed. Well I will tell you because there are no more illegals getting in via boats. The biggest influx is via airports. I know I am a guard at Villawood.
    musicveg
    15th Feb 2019
    2:35am
    GD now you are a guard at Villawood, but before you said you used to work for Serco, I am confused.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:18pm
    Use your brain Adrianus, the boats have stopped ariving on Australian shore, but they have not stopped trying, one did get all the way here a while ago, and the men escaped inland, but were eventually re captured.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    8:46am
    Misty, I'm pretty good at maths. You say one boat did get into the Daintree carrying about 10 pax? Last time Shorten and Bowen were responsible 800 boats got in carrying 50,000 people, approximately 1200 of whom died.
    I am happy to say they have stopped based on those numerical comparisons.
    If you want to continue repeating "the boats have not stopped" then by all means do so, but it would appear strange to most people.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    8:46am
    Misty, I'm pretty good at maths. You say one boat did get into the Daintree carrying about 10 pax? Last time Shorten and Bowen were responsible 800 boats got in carrying 50,000 people, approximately 1200 of whom died.
    I am happy to say they have stopped based on those numerical comparisons.
    If you want to continue repeating "the boats have not stopped" then by all means do so, but it would appear strange to most people.
    Misty
    16th Feb 2019
    9:34am
    No need to post twice Adrianus, once is enough and the boats have not stopped trying to get here, you said so yourself, 810 of them.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    1:53pm
    If I recall, it was Kevin Rudd, Bill Shorten and Chris Bowen who said that Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison couldn't stop the boats, nobody could. Labor MPs were crying on a regular basis because they had no answer and possibly because they felt some responsibility and remorse for the deaths they caused with their open border policy.
    Yep, its a fact!!
    They said this government couldn't stop the boats without starting a war with Indonesia.
    Well, They did it and this country is proud of them for having the courage to do so!
    minnie orb
    14th Feb 2019
    1:55pm
    if Morrison would be such a "fair dinkum salt of the earth kinda guy with good Christian values" then I can't understand how a Christian can let people rot on an island without any hope to a future?
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:28pm
    They have always been free to leave.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:29pm
    Australia has always offered to transport them to wherever they wanted to go.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    2:29pm
    Australia has always offered to transport them to wherever they wanted to go.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    5:53pm
    Good, they want to go to Australia, when will the government arrange the transport.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    6:33pm
    For that you need a psychologist to declare you, its easier now there is no catch 22. In Fact it comes with a fortnightly pay cheque, a house and English lessons at a university for 4 years. All at the taxpayers expense.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    6:33pm
    For that you need a psychologist to declare you, its easier now there is no catch 22. In Fact it comes with a fortnightly pay cheque, a house and English lessons at a university for 4 years. All at the taxpayers expense.
    Knows-a-lot
    14th Feb 2019
    2:02pm
    Of course Morriscum and Abbot are lying. They are Lieberals, after all..
    Knows-a-lot
    14th Feb 2019
    2:02pm
    Of course Morriscum and Abbot are lying. They are Lieberals, after all..
    danielboonjp
    14th Feb 2019
    2:05pm
    lothario .. boats weren't stopped, just an LNP compliant media not reporting; I think they call people like you an LNP 'troll' ... Greens disallowed amendment would have helped LNP, wake up to yourself mate
    ardnher
    14th Feb 2019
    2:09pm
    if boats weren't stopped where are the people that must have got here if they were not stopped?????????????
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:21pm
    One did arrive here, the men escaped inland but were later recaptured.The boats have not stopped trying to get here, it is just they are turned back by our Border Patrol, which is what we pay them to do.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    8:35am
    Misty, what were they paid to do last time Labor/Greens/Unions/Independents were in Government?
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    8:35am
    Misty, what were they paid to do last time Labor/Greens/Unions/Independents were in Government?
    Misty
    16th Feb 2019
    9:40am
    Adrianus do you think posting twice makes a difference, no it does not and there probably wasn't ta Border Force in those days like there is now to turn back the boats and it wasn't a policy then, unfortunately, but all parties have learnt a lesson from those days, one would hope so anyway. Just press the F5 key after you press post and your comment will go through jut the once.
    danielboonjp
    14th Feb 2019
    2:05pm
    lothario .. boats weren't stopped, just an LNP compliant media not reporting; I think they call people like you an LNP 'troll' ... Greens disallowed amendment would have helped LNP, wake up to yourself mate
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    3:20pm
    LOL, bit early in the day for it dan?
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    3:20pm
    LOL, bit early in the day for it dan?
    ardnher
    14th Feb 2019
    2:07pm
    How on earth do the Nauruans survive if their health system is so bad?? I never hear of them coming here for "constipation" as was the case with one woman from Nauru!
    Look at Deryn Hinch's Facebook page..you will get an idea of what people think of his decision which got the vote over the line.
    danielboonjp
    14th Feb 2019
    2:12pm
    Hello everybody ... they are both accomplished liars.

    Flip-flopping between the two is exactly why Australia is in the poo.
    We have the highest pay, perks and pension politicians in the world ...wake up
    OnlyDaughter
    14th Feb 2019
    2:12pm
    Some of the comments made here reflect a deep-seated bigotry. This country claims to be Christian. It opens Parliamentary Sittings with a Christian prayer and then politicians of most ideologies sit down and work out how they can best act in a totally Unchristian way. Australians do not have to act like barbarians and it horrendous when we do. Both Morrison and Shorten frequently act like barbarians, putting their political power seeking before sound human values.
    I don't advocate opening our borders to everyone, but I do advocate treating those who seek asylum in a humane way and in accordance to the commitment this country made to the United Nations in relation to refugees. Currently, although we claim to act in accordance with this, the United Nations has clearly pointed out that we breach our commitment continually.

    If someone in detention is sick and there is insufficient equipment or specialists at that detention centre to provide the same level of medical treatment/assessment that we all expect here in Australia, then the patient should be taken to a place that provides that level of patient care. And they should be taken at the direction of doctors, not at the whim of some ideologically driven Minister or his staff.

    Above Australia sits the most populace Muslim country in the world, Indonesia who currently are Australia's friends. A University professor with whom I worked in the late 90s and early 2000s spent a lot of time there. At that time, Children in Indonesia were taught that Australia is called South Timor in their language. Whether this applies now, who knows? But I do know that Australia is a vast country, underpopulated, with great resources, at a time when many countries are bursting at the seams. It could be that in 50 or so years - maybe less - your great-grandchildren and their children will become refugees themselves, trying to escape from invaders. Would you like them treated in the way that Australia currently treats those who try to flee from invaders? Also, most religions speaks of a Judgement Day when we are held accountable for our actions. Whether you believe this or not, do you think history itself will judge your or this nation kindly?
    GD
    14th Feb 2019
    2:37pm
    They get better level of care that you and I could ever think to receive. I remember looking after a detainee that came to Australia illegally to have a heart operation that he could not afford at home. He got himself arrested so he could go into detention then have the operation at St George Private Hospital (no wait time). He was then released into our society. The next time I saw him he was pissing it up at a pub very drunk and laughing that our government is so stupid. How do you think, as an Australian citizen,that made me feel.
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    3:03pm
    Great comment OnlyDaughter, GD I don't believe you.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    3:06pm
    I can empathise with your experience GD, because I have a few similar stories which I wont go into on a public forum.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    3:06pm
    I can empathise with your experience GD, because I have a few similar stories which I wont go into on a public forum.
    ardnher
    14th Feb 2019
    5:21pm
    "...deep seated bigotry"...as far as I am concerned I could not care less who this country takes in as long as they are vetted properly. bigotry has nothing to do with it as far as I am concerned. We are brining in many people from refugee camps and are only one of 27 countries in the world who do so but those coming via people smugglers are pushing their way into this country and that is my main concern.

    yes, this is a large country but a great deal of it is uninhabitable and the coastal cities on the east coast i.e. Sydney and Melbourne are bursting at the seams unable to cope with the growing population.

    China is my big worry at the moment. it is my belief that they want to own all the south pacific.
    OnlyDaughter
    14th Feb 2019
    2:12pm
    Some of the comments made here reflect a deep-seated bigotry. This country claims to be Christian. It opens Parliamentary Sittings with a Christian prayer and then politicians of most ideologies sit down and work out how they can best act in a totally Unchristian way. Australians do not have to act like barbarians and it horrendous when we do. Both Morrison and Shorten frequently act like barbarians, putting their political power seeking before sound human values.
    I don't advocate opening our borders to everyone, but I do advocate treating those who seek asylum in a humane way and in accordance to the commitment this country made to the United Nations in relation to refugees. Currently, although we claim to act in accordance with this, the United Nations has clearly pointed out that we breach our commitment continually.

    If someone in detention is sick and there is insufficient equipment or specialists at that detention centre to provide the same level of medical treatment/assessment that we all expect here in Australia, then the patient should be taken to a place that provides that level of patient care. And they should be taken at the direction of doctors, not at the whim of some ideologically driven Minister or his staff.

    Above Australia sits the most populace Muslim country in the world, Indonesia who currently are Australia's friends. A University professor with whom I worked in the late 90s and early 2000s spent a lot of time there. At that time, Children in Indonesia were taught that Australia is called South Timor in their language. Whether this applies now, who knows? But I do know that Australia is a vast country, underpopulated, with great resources, at a time when many countries are bursting at the seams. It could be that in 50 or so years - maybe less - your great-grandchildren and their children will become refugees themselves, trying to escape from invaders. Would you like them treated in the way that Australia currently treats those who try to flee from invaders? Also, most religions speaks of a Judgement Day when we are held accountable for our actions. Whether you believe this or not, do you think history itself will judge your or this nation kindly?
    fishy
    14th Feb 2019
    2:25pm
    well if it was a horse race and you looked at past form you would be certain labor will start the boats again one think you can not do is give an inch
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:28pm
    Something fishy here me thinks, don't you think politicians can learn from past mistakes?, Labor did, especailly when it came to dumping their leaders but not so the Coalition, Liberals especially, and what was it Tony Abbott said, "The grown ups are in charge now", well that didn't last long did it, I am still waiting to see a grown up taking charge in the Coalition but it might be a long wait I am afraid.
    rob101
    14th Feb 2019
    2:28pm
    Fact! There are 600 Refugees currently in Australia for Medical Treatment,most of whom are now OK! The problem is now that they have set foot in Australia they cant been returned nor do they want to! so to all the Clever people on this Forum,what's your Solution!
    rob101
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    3:03pm
    Why can't they be returned?
    KSS
    14th Feb 2019
    7:44pm
    Because they are in the courts at taxpayers expense demanding to stay and not be returned to the islands. In the meantime mist are being housed in good hotels and their every need taken care of. Do much for Mr Rudd's promise they would never be settled in Australia.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    2:49pm
    They cannot be returned because they claim to be stateless.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    2:49pm
    They cannot be returned because they claim to be stateless.
    ex PS
    16th Feb 2019
    9:39am
    So the problem is, people who arrive in this country think they are entitled to natural justice?
    Did we not just get all up in arms because a soccer player was not being afforded justice by the country he was in and the one that was trying to extradite him?
    Do we get to decide who will and who will not be given an opportunity for justice? Or is justice meant for all in a free country?
    Is justice just something we talk about in this country, or do we actually believe in its principles?
    Justice or fairness applies to everyone or it does not exist, do we really want a system where the government of the day decides who is entitled to access our legal processes and who doesn't?
    Everyone who goes to court is there at the tax payers expense, who do you think pays the judges, prosecutors and court staff, when it comes to justice, cost should not be the determining factor.
    rob101
    14th Feb 2019
    2:28pm
    Fact! There are 600 Refugees currently in Australia for Medical Treatment,most of whom are now OK! The problem is now that they have set foot in Australia they cant been returned nor do they want to! so to all the Clever people on this Forum,what's your Solution!
    rob101
    ex PS
    16th Feb 2019
    9:41am
    They are here because the government can not prove they have no right to stay. Sort of proves they should have been let in in the first place doesn't it.
    Old Geezer
    14th Feb 2019
    2:29pm
    Too messy for me to read so I'm out of here.
    Fisherman
    14th Feb 2019
    2:31pm
    What makes everyone think the LNP government "Stopped" the Boats? Because the government said so? Border Protection Command insisted that the "Operation Sovereign Borders" be treated as a military operation, subject to a high level security classification! Did you know the Navy patrol boats we sent up to enforce the border control were not designed for long term open ocean operations and started cracking and leaking? Did you know the Navy had to buy the Tidewater and other vessels to provide the capability? Howard, Abbot, Turnbull and Morrison have all been economical with the truth as directed by the Murdoch, Cheney, Rothschild syndicate! The threat of terrorism creates fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD), which helps the LNP law and order message to get traction in Australia. After seeing recently what the escaped convicts and asylum seekers from Africa have done to Paris, France, I realize Australia needs to have strong policies on border control and the resources to manage immigration to this once delightful country! For the government to try and keep the results of these activities secret, I believe this is unAustralian!
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    3:05pm
    Yes some transparency would be helpful for many to make better decisions.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    5:28pm
    I agree, but they prefer to play politics and say they have stopped the boats and we have no real idea of the problem
    rob101
    14th Feb 2019
    2:32pm
    HEY greatfull what about the 600 medical Refugges now here that wont go back!
    rob101
    rob101
    14th Feb 2019
    2:32pm
    HEY greatfull what about the 600 medical Refugges now here that wont go back!
    rob101
    Chris B T
    14th Feb 2019
    2:32pm
    This same level of medical given to the occupants of Manus Island and Nauru. If the same level of Medical Help was offered to Manus Island and Nauru occupants I agree.
    If not then why these people have special Medical Help, where they left did they have this special Medical Help. When fleeing through other Countries Where They Offered Special Medical Help.
    It seems to be a beat up to get a outcome using any means.
    not dead yet
    14th Feb 2019
    2:35pm
    Crappy as it sounds the only way to truly stop the boat is to issue warning that from say 1st July any boat in Australian waters without permission will be fired upon and sunk .May need to sink 3 or 4 but then they will stop
    Robbo
    14th Feb 2019
    3:31pm
    Let one boat through and toss a couple of terrorists overboard bye bye Shorton and his nonces
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    2:47pm
    I know you say that in jest. And that is our problem, the world knows we are a soft touch to the point of naivety.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    2:47pm
    I know you say that in jest. And that is our problem, the world knows we are a soft touch to the point of naivety.
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    2:40pm
    This government had no policies so now they will play on this but don't forget us door knockers do not forget like Darwin port to the Chinese for 90 yrs and you lot talk about security
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    3:06pm
    Seems like people want to ignore the real invasion to this country, those with money to throw around.
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    3:53pm
    Those coming in with money are spending and contributing to the economy .
    Not going on welfare
    musicveg
    15th Feb 2019
    2:39am
    Lothario: More like outbidding on everything, buying up real estate and taking jobs from Australians.
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    2:40pm
    This government had no policies so now they will play on this but don't forget us door knockers do not forget like Darwin port to the Chinese for 90 yrs and you lot talk about security
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    3:02pm
    The Chinese leased Hong Kong to the UK for a similar period. Hong Kong then became home to the most intelligent people in the world. The combination of cultures worked wonders and is doing similarly in Australia.
    Also, this seems to be the only way to reform the waterside in Australia. Are you worried that more refugees will come in by the container load?
    Roy R
    14th Feb 2019
    2:49pm
    All this money spent on so called refugees. I thought the UN agreement stated that a refugee must apply to the nearest country that is safe and that is certainly not Australia. Why is Australia supporting reffo's on Manus etc. when some are shown to be pedo's, crims, radicals etc.? Why do reffo's get to enjoy supplied smokes, internet etc.?

    Why do reffo's get treated better than some pensioners?

    Maybe we should let the Collins Class show its capabilities on the arriving boats.
    GD
    14th Feb 2019
    2:56pm
    Sundays - I have reported you for vilifying my name. I am not dishonest and I was not sacked from my job. I retired and I have reported you for making that derogative remark.
    Not a Bludger
    14th Feb 2019
    3:15pm
    Quite right, GD - it is time that some of these people modified the bilge that they post.
    Sundays
    14th Feb 2019
    8:43pm
    Ooh should I be waiting for a knock on the door in the middle of the night. BTW no one knows who you are and while anonymous you can pretend to be anyone
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:33pm
    No good reporting anyone here GD, I have numerous times and nothing is ever done about it.
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    3:14pm
    After reading all the comments it seems Scomo's scare tactics are working already. I hope the rest of Australians can see beyond the lies and deceptions. When Libs and Labour stop blaming each other we might see real progress. Just don't forget these are real people we are talking about, that have been suffering in limbo for years, maybe they did make a mistake going on a boat, they were told lies too, but does that mean we need to let them suffer? It is costing a lot more money to keep them on Manus and Nauru and more work needs to be done to help them relocate them whether it is Australia or other countries. This law is about medical assistance nothing more, so why is everyone going off track. Only the serious cases will be brought to Australia. If anyone is to blame for opening up the flood gates to boats it will be Scomo for saying he is expecting it by opening up Christmas Island detention center again. Already been reported in the Indonesian press without mention of the medi vac law, I wonder who let them know this?
    Not a Bludger
    14th Feb 2019
    3:23pm
    Real people they maybe - but those who destroyed their passports /IDs to hide that they were, variously;- economic refos, criminals, deserters, pedophiles and the like.
    It is noteworthy that the majority of those that remain have failed both Australian and US vetting/identity checks - and now the looney left, led by Shorten, want to let them loose on us.
    In a word, Appalling.
    ollie
    14th Feb 2019
    3:18pm
    The liberals scare mongering and lying reminds me of the children overboard lies the libs were elected using the same lying tactics its really simple if Labour uses the same policy to turn back the boats then nothing will change and if they get elected then all Australians may get a fair go not just the rich. As for sick people coming to australia for treatment well its about time maybe if it happened sooner the ones that died may still be alive.
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    3:23pm
    Yes it is tragic that people have died and it is tragic they are still suffering. Not one person here would like to be in their shoes and yet they have a lot to say against them.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    3:28pm
    ollie, gee mate, you've made quite a few assumptions? If you are afraid then that is your doing, you cant blame your fear on the Government.

    What makes you think Labor will uses the LNP's turn back policy?

    What makes you think that the sick offshore detainees haven't been brought to Australia for medical attention? I heard the number was close to 1,000.

    Now here's the biggy.. You claim people have died because they have not had access to hospitalisation in Australia? Where is your proof?
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    4:02pm
    ollie I believe Shorten said that yesterday they are going to use the same policy
    cupoftea
    14th Feb 2019
    4:02pm
    ollie I believe Shorten said that yesterday they are going to use the same policy
    Dot
    14th Feb 2019
    3:26pm
    Termites are termites and we certainly don't need any more foreign human termites here.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    3:36pm
    This is a strange country?
    We don't let a banana or an unpeeled onion cross a state border without some brouhaha.
    We have rangers scouring every centimetre of Tasmania looking for foxes which aren't there. But in an age of terrorism we want unknown people who choose to be anonymous to bypass all the checks and stroll right on in because we are humane?
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:25am
    These people have been scrutinized up to the wazoo, if not what has this incompetent government been doing for the last 5 years, or are you admitting that your people don't have the least idea about security.
    The trouble with unquestioning loyalty and obedience to a party is that you can end up looking foolish when you back their foolish claims.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:35pm
    Exactly ex PS.
    floss
    14th Feb 2019
    3:28pm
    The greed is good gang is in full cry, is a election in the wind.They are always good for a laugh. Why don't they get a life.
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:26am
    floss, I am beginning to think that this is their life.
    Arisaid
    14th Feb 2019
    3:42pm
    The people who have had medical treatment in Australia already, where are they now. If still using the system to remain in Australia pass legislation to send them back. They came to Australia for medical attention not to stay surely or am I missing something.. Also there are 65 medical personnel on Manus , are they now out of a job. Surely 65 people can look after all inhabitants there.
    Nascar.
    14th Feb 2019
    3:52pm
    oi harLot, old wheezer, RUBBISH.
    Charlie
    14th Feb 2019
    4:10pm
    The refugee issue has always been full of deceptive ways to gain entry to Australia, the main one being the "fake" refugee.

    Why compound these existing problems with a medical needs program, that over rides everything else and can be so easily faked.

    There are other sources of information saying that there are more than enough local medical services, for the people in question.

    Who would not be suspicious of such legislation and of politicians who seem to want an open door policy on refugees being dumped on our door step
    Cosmo
    14th Feb 2019
    4:49pm
    Lets just remember who started this whole refugee problem in the first place. It was the pathetic, lying, 'man of steel,' liberal masquerading conservative PM Howard who against the will of the majority of Australians, to suck up to his wanna-be mate in the US and to strut the international stage, conspired in a lie to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. That's what started the flow of refugees, Howards conspiracy and what a total regional disaster that has set in train. Howard's party and his policy deficient, loud mouthed successor is using the same tactics, more lies and fear in a vain attempt to grasp onto the fading remnants of power his fractious party has left to him.
    In Australia we are far more likely to die from a snake bite or taken by a shark or crocodile than from a terrorist attack. We are over 1,000 times more likely to die from a drug overdose or a road accident than a terrorist attack but we still continually reduce our freedoms and pour $billions into the xenophobic fear campaign perpetuated by the Liberals of 'aliens across the border.' Reds under the beds and the Yellow Peril obviously worked for Menzies but you would think that by now the liberal party would have grown up and found some other worthwhile constructive policies to stand a chance of clinging to power.
    JoJozep
    14th Feb 2019
    5:40pm
    One can see from the length of this debate, that neither the group advocating Medivac or the other, is going to convince the other side who's right. How about these thoughts as solutions?

    1. Stop all refugees that are economic migrants from flying in.
    2. Stop all rich immigrants that buy their way in. (You are allowed entry if you have over $300,000 cash I believe)
    3. Treat all arrivals fairly, whether by boat or plane shouldn't make any difference. (Usual it's the poor refugee who comes by boat.)
    4 On arrival, Ask what each can do for Australia, and offer choices. If they are a burden, refuse entry and send back.
    5. Choices could be: Work in a low paid job around Australia where no one else wants to work (many farmers want this). If a labourer or tradesperson, find places needing urgent work like cleaning up Townsville.
    6. They must be able to support themselves. Limit government assistance to 6 months. After that, they get no taxpayer money.
    7. They must not take any job an Australian citizen is capable and willing to do.
    8. They must not be offered lower wages than Australians would normally get for the same job. This is because our "land Holders" always seek cheap labour to make more profit and would disadvantage genuine Australians.
    9. There will be a quota system in place, determined by a Bipartisan Parliament Committee each year.

    Once these conditions are made known around the world, many migrants and refugees would think twice before coming to Australia. Only those willing to work hard and for the common good, will be allowed in. After 6 months, those not contributing through effort and hard work can be deported. Remember people who work pay taxes.

    Remember, it's the migrant or refuge, that helps to build Australia that will benefit Australians in the long run, not the colour of their skin, religion or beliefs. We have laws and good ones at that, which can control terror. Alarmism over some terrorist groups needs to be cut in the bud. You have to understand, that publicity by these groups is what they crave. The more important newsworthy aspect is their goal. Hopefully, a larger number of decent refugees or immigrants, will adopt our way of life and kick these alarmist terrorists where it hurts. Once the fanatics see the people don't want their strict ideology, they will quietly shrink back to their lowlife existence.

    In the end, Australia will be a better place.

    JoJo Zep!
    rob101
    14th Feb 2019
    5:49pm
    Arisaid! They are still here and cant be made to leave! so a Backdoor for them!
    rob101
    14th Feb 2019
    5:49pm
    Arisaid! They are still here and cant be made to leave! so a Backdoor for them!
    Reeper
    14th Feb 2019
    5:53pm
    This pure politics on behalf of the Socialists; they don't care about refugees because it isn't their pockets which are dipped into.
    Health care is a nightmare for many Australian; those that can afford it are often waiting for long periods. Those who rely on Medicare can wait months, even years. Shorten and that creepy Doctor Phelps will ensure this is legislation is stretched out beyond the 1000 ILLEGALS and they will all jump queues at no cost to them. Many came with illnesses knowing Australia has health care.
    A possible change in government this year is the result of a democratic vote, but what lies underneath is the dishonesty of the ALP and Shorten is almost rabid about becoming PM - he will be the least successful because he, not Morrison, is the dishonest one. Remember, the ACTU control the ALP and the Union movement represents less than 15% of working Australians. The other 85% will pay for the excesses of Shorten and the ACTU....and will continue to pay as long as Shorten gets together with the Phelps' and other Independents in the pay of the ALP...
    john
    14th Feb 2019
    5:54pm
    What happened this week is that the Phelps group followed along by Labor to get a win, have undermined the government to a point where it cannot govern and that is because independents rule the roost, and no one can govern in full if this keeps happening.
    This ideology by Phelps the Greens and ALP is something really different , its not really about Refugees, its about politics, and value destroying, its about rampant minorities' becoming the runners of the country, There are no children left to bring from those camps, the government already brings in people from the refugee camps if they are ill, in the camps they have plenty of doctors, what about LEGAL immigration , when we load up with refugees what about the people waiting in other countries that have applied properly, they are delayed , or never make it, this is a dangerous dangerous precedent, Phelps is a wealthy individual she has been smiling at cameras as though this is some victory , this is an amazing blue the ALP have made , these elitist politically naive up market types that hit the political arena , are a dangerous group who some Australians follow like sheep and believe every thing they are told and they call the PM a liar???.
    Bill Shorten cannot be trusted at all,, he just can't be PM, hope Australians are looking very closely this new law set up was not needed, things were already happening, this is something to worry about, our democracy just got screwed over!
    john
    14th Feb 2019
    5:57pm
    Grateful has also misread what happened this week, this is not Tampa or Manus or Nauru, this is diddled politics hoodwinking and bringing in a law that is not needed, and has actually weakened things , we don't know what this may mean in 2 3 4 5 years? You may not be so grateful then my friend.
    john
    14th Feb 2019
    6:07pm
    TO ADRIANUS AND MICK, THE UNIONS ARE ALMOST GONE, Like the ALP they have left , there are no more Hawkes or Keatings around the place, the corruption in UNIONS AND THE FORGETFULNESS OF A FORMER UNION LEADER WHO WANTS TO BE PM, HAS ME BAFFLED , HOW DO UNIONS GET INTO THIS ARGUMENT , EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THEY RUN THE ALP AND NOW THE ALP IS RUN BY GREENS AND PHELPS, we're in trouble , " we need a bigger boat" the sharks are coming!
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    10:38am
    Phelps has more in common with the Greens than any other party. Her partying with the Greens while drinking celebratory champagne is a two finger salute to most of her voters.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    10:38am
    Phelps has more in common with the Greens than any other party. Her partying with the Greens while drinking celebratory champagne is a two finger salute to most of her voters.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:41pm
    You had better get off whatever it is you are on John, I have never heard such rubbish in all my 81 years. Australia and the rest of the world would not be where they are now if it wasn't for the unions, they gave us better working conditions and better pay and as for running the ALP now that also is a load of rubbish.
    john
    14th Feb 2019
    6:07pm
    TO ADRIANUS AND MICK, THE UNIONS ARE ALMOST GONE, Like the ALP they have left , there are no more Hawkes or Keatings around the place, the corruption in UNIONS AND THE FORGETFULNESS OF A FORMER UNION LEADER WHO WANTS TO BE PM, HAS ME BAFFLED , HOW DO UNIONS GET INTO THIS ARGUMENT , EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THEY RUN THE ALP AND NOW THE ALP IS RUN BY GREENS AND PHELPS, we're in trouble , " we need a bigger boat" the sharks are coming!
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    10:05pm
    The unions are the Greens biggest donors. They are GetUp's biggest too. Where do they get all this money?
    Brissiegirl
    15th Feb 2019
    8:49am
    If you want to combat Getup (and the huge wealth funding them via George Soros who provides huge donations to socialist movements - wealth hypocritically used by Getup themselves) go with Advance Australia. Advance Australia represents people who dislike socialism. union over-influence, the downside of multi-culturalism, slow drip removal of free speech (Labor's true and abiding socialist philosophy to make everybody equally poor except Labor politicians themselves). Greens and unions now have campaign opposition and they're not getting it all their own way. And why is George Soros allowed to give money to foreign political organisations like Getup?
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    10:33am
    GetUp are a pack of hypocrites whose raison detre is to act as a conduit for the USA Marxists. They campaign against foreign donations, but refuse to stop taking foreign donations themselves.
    Many people I talk with are sick and tired of our country being told what to do by foreign organisations. I hear what you're saying Brissiegirl.
    john
    14th Feb 2019
    6:15pm
    Paddington if everything was OK before last Monday , why did they need to change the law, they actually bring in to Australia peole off Manus and Nauru for serious medical treatment, they do it already, this week is not about refugees, its the assualt on the government in a political manner that they should be ashamed of, this si a break down in our system, the refugees already get looked after. But one thing is for sure, the gangster scum smugglers will be watching and wondering if they6 can fill their wallets again, and those bastards will try don't worry about that. If open Christmas Island again is a stunt, well it makes a point perfectly , one boat or one hundred the dangr to these refugees on open water was stopped, now it could...it could... but this is not about that , this is an historical stuff up and Labor should be ashamed , the Greens are nuts, and Phelps is an elite wealthy comfortable privileged individual, probably sitting back basking in her 15 minutes. What a disgrace to our country!
    john
    14th Feb 2019
    6:17pm
    Once again Lothario is correct , Bill Shorten is not fit for the office of Prime Minister!!!
    GeorgeM
    14th Feb 2019
    7:50pm
    I have to agree with that! He is simply an opportunist trying to embarrass the Govt to make them look weak, the same guy who plotted and brought down 2 Labor PMs! He has NO policies, just grabbing on to anything where he can get or buy votes. A coming disaster for this country.

    I also thoroughly dislike the Liberals after they destroyed the Retirement incomes of 100s of thousands based on the nasty Asset Test changes, after breaking an election promise by Abbott, based on a Budget Emergency lie.

    Hence, only option left now is to vote OUT both these parties (and the Greens who are the trouble makers every time) and vote for anyone else. Putting the current MP from these Major parties last will get rid of them - if enough people do it.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    9:50pm
    Is there a name you could offer to Australia.... that IS fit for the office of Prime Minister?
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    9:32am
    We have a perfectly good Prime Minister. What we should be doing is giving him the responsibility of office and support he needs to do the job.
    We need long term plans, and we need to work together to achieve those plans.
    ollie
    14th Feb 2019
    7:26pm
    There is a list of names and faces of asylum seekers who lost their lives in Australian detention centres since 2014 anyone who is in denial of this just google this information the Australian government was supposed to protect these people because they are responsible for them they claim that they have all the support they need if so how do they explain so many deaths in custody. There are too many to name here but someone should be held accountable. This government is corrupt and we as Australians are judged by their actions
    ollie
    14th Feb 2019
    7:26pm
    There is a list of names and faces of asylum seekers who lost their lives in Australian detention centres since 2014 anyone who is in denial of this just google this information the Australian government was supposed to protect these people because they are responsible for them they claim that they have all the support they need if so how do they explain so many deaths in custody. There are too many to name here but someone should be held accountable. This government is corrupt and we as Australians are judged by their actions
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    7:48pm
    Did any on this so called list of economic migrants die on labor's watch. Must have been a long list under labor coz they were the ones letting the boats in
    Anonymous
    14th Feb 2019
    7:48pm
    Did any on this so called list of economic migrants die on labor's watch. Must have been a long list under labor coz they were the ones letting the boats in
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    9:54pm
    Asylum seekers are not 'economic migrants' - you can't move that mountain by calling it something else, Loathsome.

    Asylum seekers are a defined group - ONLY after they are positively vetted (term borrowed from security services - which require not only a 'nothing there' response to vetting - but an affirmative response on all counts - get with it, son).... may they be classified as genuine or not.

    Q. You understand this difference between positive vetting and anything else?

    a. NO!
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    10:08pm
    So TREBOR you have vetted all of them obviously.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    10:08pm
    So TREBOR you have vetted all of them obviously.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:19pm
    Not my responsibility... I don't do that job and never have......
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    8:22am
    But you seem to know who are asylum seekers and who are the economic refugees?? I would like to know how you can know that when nobody else knows? That is why those 1000 remaining "refugees" remain in detention. Can you contact the authorities and clear this matter up? Maybe we should give you the job??
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    8:22am
    But you seem to know who are asylum seekers and who are the economic refugees?? I would like to know how you can know that when nobody else knows? That is why those 1000 remaining "refugees" remain in detention. Can you contact the authorities and clear this matter up? Maybe we should give you the job??
    Anonymous
    15th Feb 2019
    9:00am
    Instead of addressing Ollie's b/s Trebor as usual goes off topic ingratiating himself while posting nonsense
    Anonymous
    15th Feb 2019
    9:00am
    Instead of addressing Ollie's b/s Trebor as usual goes off topic ingratiating himself while posting nonsense
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:30am
    Yet again made to look foolish with unnecessary lies Lothario, even your own party agrees that these people are genuine refugees. You need to study the parties pamphlets more carefully.
    fordyoot
    14th Feb 2019
    7:40pm
    The LNP circus has a new head clown and he says the country will be overrun by nasty flesh-eating boat people. Ha ha go for it boys. First, it was commies, then it was lefties, then it was greenies, then it was Vietnamese, then we had Muslims now its boat people. The LNP is about to go down the gurgler and all they have is scare tactics. Lap it up fellas
    ex PS
    15th Feb 2019
    10:33am
    Oooh, Zombies, I will have to move the Reds out from under my bed to make some room for them. I am beginning to see being labeled a Lefty as even more of a compliment. But what will I do with the Boogey Man, I wouldn't want to see him have to go on welfare and be castigated by the Rightys>
    GeorgeM
    14th Feb 2019
    7:41pm
    The costs for the fall-out from this Phelps Bill should be assigned back to the people of Wentworth for voting for this crazy person - they need to bear the consequences. Independents can be good choices, not this one!
    fordyoot
    14th Feb 2019
    8:09pm
    Get a grip on yourself. This will save millions in court cost for the Home Office.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    9:56pm
    My only dispute with La Phelps is that she continues to hold several jobs when the nurturing of this nation as a matter of duty is paramount and has no time for other 'jobs'. If she can do that job, fine.... if not... adios, muchacha.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    10:02pm
    Phelps doesn't want to give up her day job, so to speak.
    Adrianus
    14th Feb 2019
    10:02pm
    Phelps doesn't want to give up her day job, so to speak.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:18pm
    True - we need full time politicians, First Graders, not just touch football employees...
    GeorgeM
    14th Feb 2019
    11:26pm
    Clarify yourself, fordyroot, "This will save millions in court cost... " How?
    On the other hand, you are prepared for the BILLIONS the taxpayer is now going to wear starting with Christmas Island, then all the further efforts to push back further arrivals, catering for those who still get through, etc, etc, etc.

    Phelps is double-dipping (on the taxpayer). Badly need another rule - the MP job is supposed to be a seriously important and full-time role, thus MPs should not be allowed to have any other job to ensure full focus on it.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    9:44am
    GeorgeM, in my opinion very rarely have we seen good Independents. Have you noticed how its always an Independent holding out to be the one with the final say on a bill? This time we see a bill presented by an Independent .And acting like a high court judge we have an Independent cast the final deciding vote.
    I recall an Independent giving a speech to put Julia Gillard in office, which made a mockery of our political system. People who say we need more Independents are wreckers. In my opinion.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    9:44am
    GeorgeM, in my opinion very rarely have we seen good Independents. Have you noticed how its always an Independent holding out to be the one with the final say on a bill? This time we see a bill presented by an Independent .And acting like a high court judge we have an Independent cast the final deciding vote.
    I recall an Independent giving a speech to put Julia Gillard in office, which made a mockery of our political system. People who say we need more Independents are wreckers. In my opinion.
    GeorgeM
    15th Feb 2019
    2:50pm
    Adrianus, party members only vote for the party line (unlike in UK), and that means they are not using their own brains and not working for us, as has been proven too many times.

    Yes, we need to select good Independents, not loonies - who want refugees here, or climate change wackos, etc. Ted Mack was a wonderful example. Dick Smith could be another one, if he chooses. Everyone has to make their own judgment on who to support in their own electorate, however Liberal, Labor & Greens have destroyed this country's wealth & fairness, and put the people last, hence they are the real wreckers and need to be turfed out now with no more chances.
    musicveg
    16th Feb 2019
    2:33am
    GeorgeM, Dick Smith has joined Sustainable Australia Party, the first time he has ever joined a party.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    8:23am
    GeorgeM, I agree with your assessment that party members only vote for the party line, but its not always the case. In 2015 when the Greens were trying to get their Banking Royal Commission through Senate, Shorten and Bowen had instructed Labor Senators to vote it down. This would have appeared strange because many Labor politicians were consistently bashing the banks and asking for a BRC. Where as Liberal s and Nationals voted in accordance with their belief.
    We cant all vote for a Ted Mack. And when there are no Ted Macks we all vote for one of the 2 majors regardless of which boxes we tick.
    GeorgeM
    16th Feb 2019
    12:35pm
    musicveg, I am not sure where Dick Smith is actually part of the Sustainable Australia party - while they claimed he became a member, in late 2018 he told the media he may run as an Independent - still no further news as far as I know. The Sustainable Australia party has many good policies (including citizen-initiated referenda) however no mention of any policy for Retirees incomes e.g. Universal Age Pension, or indeed any other such idea. However, still a good alternative (as one can ask for a referendum) - if you have a candidate in your area.

    Adrianus, mostly Major parties are forcing members to vote in a particular way by using their whip, although I know there are a few exceptions of conscience voting.
    It is incorrect to suggest that anyway you will get one of these two, hence your vote doesn't matter. 3 Million+ Retirees can make a difference - at least put the current MP from the Major Party last in preferences (or just above the extreme wackos), and you can CHANGE your MP. You can do this again next time if the new MP won't listen either. Retirees need to get together and make this happen - for the sake of this country and it's future.
    musicveg
    14th Feb 2019
    8:08pm
    Médecins Sans Frontières started a petition after being abruptly told to leave the island of Nauru. So there was sufficient medical care but why were they told to leave?
    musicveg
    15th Feb 2019
    2:50am
    Can anyone answer my question, why were Médecins Sans Frontières told to leave??
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    9:22am
    In my opinion, for what its worth, the Nauru Government has told them to leave. Around the same time the security company was ordered off the island with the job being taken over by a local firm. It was coming to an end. The 1000 remaining decided to stay. The Australian Government had closed all the detention centres which were opened by the Rudd/Gillard government and Manus and Nauru would be no longer needed as the remaining asylum seekers settled. Did you expect the Doctors without borders would be making Australia's immigration decisions?
    Cosmo
    15th Feb 2019
    10:29am
    Allegedly because they reported on the poor conditions, the corruption within the government and the syphoning off of the Australian tax payers' money we are paying them.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    11:14am
    Gosh Cosmo, those Doctors allegedly sure did have a big job description. Maybe they had far too much time on their hands with each of them only having 7 patients.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:46pm
    Rubbish Adrianus, I have told you already that no of drs is not correct, 40 drs have been asigned to the refugees but on a rotaional basis so there could be only 1 or 2 drs there at any given time to attend to all the refugees.
    musicveg
    16th Feb 2019
    2:37am
    Cosmo that makes sense,after all they were told to leave suddenly and abruptly, not because of anything Adrianus said. So where is all the Australian taxpayers money going to I wonder? Seems a lot of money that is being spent to keep these people alive.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    8:07am
    All the money is going to PNG. It was the PNG government which wanted Paladin, because Paladin had a reputation for employing locals.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    8:07am
    All the money is going to PNG. It was the PNG government which wanted Paladin, because Paladin had a reputation for employing locals.
    Alan
    14th Feb 2019
    10:06pm
    The existing boat people were told before they embarked that they would not get to Australia. They will now get here on medical grounds.

    If new boat people come they also will be left in limbo on Nauru or Manus and get sick. After four or five years those people who have advocated for change will again advocate that the poor and sick people will need to be brought to Australia for treatment. I fail to see how they could demand treatment for one lot of boat people but not for another lot of boat people.

    I think that it would be fairer to ship them to refugee camps in the regions that they come from and processed there for entry to Australia. The date that they arrived in Manus/Nauru would be the date which would be applied to their processing. This then would be fair to all seking refuge in Australia. I think that it would probably stop a lot of prospective boat people.
    Cosmo
    14th Feb 2019
    11:23pm
    But Alan, you seem to forget that Abbott, Dutton and Morrison said they would stop the boats and continue to do so and Shorten has said he will do the same. We all know these people are all upstanding, honest leaders of integrity, they wouldn't dare lie or mislead the people, their words are their bond so there will be no more boats!
    Cosmo
    14th Feb 2019
    11:28pm
    Trebor, for a part timer Phelps seems to have more influence not to mention more sense and honesty than the pie eating loud moth who pretends he is running the country.
    ardnher
    16th Feb 2019
    3:30pm
    I bet "london to a brick" that Phelps will NOT win the seat she recently gained. The Liberal guy will get in!
    Misty
    16th Feb 2019
    4:46pm
    Dream on ardnher.
    Misty
    16th Feb 2019
    4:48pm
    Dream on ardnher, don't worry Cosmo, they said on the news today support for the Coalition has gone down in a poll just done over 3 days last week.
    Misty
    16th Feb 2019
    4:49pm
    That poll was done in Queensland.
    TREBOR
    14th Feb 2019
    11:35pm
    Many of you people need to sort out the difference between political posturing and actual government action... politics has next to nothing to do with actual running of the nation...... it's just a privileged kid's group....
    Cosmo
    15th Feb 2019
    10:19am
    Trebor. Well that's the whole point, there is no government action and when as you describe, a part-timer politician can outsmart the entire liberal conservative party we need a smarter PM and a smarter government.
    Morrison was sacked from his last job because he was a stunt man with no strategy. We need more than that to run this country. The LNP's lack of strategy is totally highlighted by the current situation which was created by years of the LNP's inability to see the consequences of its own actions. The refugees were there in the first place because the LNP decided to go to yet another unwinnable war which further destabilised the Middle East and created the refugee flows.
    Dutton had a plan to become PM, that failed; the Liberals again conspired to change the PM. That resulted in Dr. Phelps changing the balance of power in the House. If the LNP couldn't see the possibility of that coming they don't deserve to be in government.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    11:04am
    HA HA HA!! Earth to Cosmo.. we seem to be having difficulties with the relay satellite. Just bare with us please? LOL
    johnyperth
    15th Feb 2019
    6:01am
    First of all the asylum seekers are not breaking any law!!
    If anybody want to know what I mean, then, look up the UN regarding refugees!
    The next thing is the prescient conservative government like all conservative governments that have a bill won against it, it will do everything in it's power to try to destroy it's opposition!
    This government also believes in economics 101 which has been proved it doesn't work!!
    Strummer
    15th Feb 2019
    7:53am
    Lies and scaremongering backfired on them in the Victorian election. Obviously they've learnt nothing from that and are continuing down the same path. This is a government devoid of policies, ideas and heart.
    Placido1
    15th Feb 2019
    9:19am
    You left out Honesty and Ethics but I forgot the Coalition have no concept of any higher ideals, whatever it takes to lie and deceive to continue to rort Australia while they kill the fish and allow pollution to increase without any concept of a longer term big picture of what Australia needs.
    Anonymous
    15th Feb 2019
    9:30am
    no trees to hug this morning
    poor diddums
    Anonymous
    15th Feb 2019
    9:30am
    no trees to hug this morning
    poor diddums
    Placido1
    15th Feb 2019
    9:37am
    I see Lothario has reached deep into his intellectual reserves, culminating in a statement of immense sublety.

    And of course being uncertian whether he had actually posted the message, he sent it again.

    Technology can be so difficult *sigh*
    ex PS
    16th Feb 2019
    9:48am
    Be fair, he only uses the right side of his brain, he is too scared of being taken over by the left. Unfortunately, he keeps his left side under the bed and checks to make sure it is there every night,
    Misty
    16th Feb 2019
    9:56am
    Saturday Funny ex PS, but I don't think Lothario will be amused.
    ex PS
    18th Feb 2019
    11:40am
    Anyone else notice that both Adrianus and Lothario have exactly the same problem with the repetition of their messages? Almost as if they share the same mind. Their thoughts on nearly every subject seem to be identical.
    Strummer
    15th Feb 2019
    7:53am
    Lies and scaremongering backfired on them in the Victorian election. Obviously they've learnt nothing from that and are continuing down the same path. This is a government devoid of policies, ideas and heart.
    WindyGap
    15th Feb 2019
    8:23am
    I suppose if Dr Phelps is true to her beliefs she will have the latest 300 housed in Wentworth to help build her the windmills and solar farms that her electorate is endorsing so enthusiastically. Obviously the doctors (1 to each of 7 on Nauru) are too incompetent to compare with those on Skype diagnosing long distance.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    11:10am
    There are no refugees settled in a Greens electorate. This would be a first.
    Placido1
    15th Feb 2019
    9:14am
    The lies being bandied about here regarding the legislation that Morrison and co were defeated on beggars belief.

    Fact: it only applies to those already on Manus and Nauru.

    The coalitions noise about "weakening borders" and the reopening of Christmas Island sends a loudhailer message to the "people smugglers" saying its weak, come on in!

    I suspect Morrison wants some boats for perceived political advantage (he may even instruct the navy to let a couple through).

    Given the Bank Royal comission results and the dodgy practices of awarding tenders it is no wonder the Coalition are VERY scared of a real federal ICAC with teeth.

    Bring it on!
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    10:59am
    Did sending families to the US and bringing over 1400 refugees to Australia already for medical treatment prove to be a pull factor for the people smugglers?, does anyoe know?, according to this govtg we don't know and will probably never be told, but if these 2 things haven't then I cannot see how bringing a few more to Australia for medical treatment will be a catalyst for change, the Xmas Island story might though.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    11:06am
    Are you saying the Medivac Bill was unnecessary ?
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    3:08pm
    Misty all they need to say now is "I've had thoughts of suicide." And they are in like Flynn.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    3:08pm
    Misty all they need to say now is "I've had thoughts of suicide." And they are in like Flynn.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:49pm
    One reply is enough Adrianus why are you posting 2?.
    PlanB
    15th Feb 2019
    11:03am
    If Morrison's lips are moving he is LYING -- he is the scum of the earth along with the rest of his party -- not an empathic heart among the lot of them!
    PlanB
    15th Feb 2019
    11:07am
    When the boats were coming I would like to know how and what they did -- to stop them -- Morrisson and Dutton said it was on a need to know basis -- well IMO THEY ARE EMPLOYED BY US1 and we want to know.
    It would not surprise me ONE BIT if they sunk them -- we have a right to know!

    Howard lied about the TAMPA --
    Tigerb
    15th Feb 2019
    11:13am
    You don't need a high intellect to know that if you leave a door slightly open it will be kicked open by opportunists and scammers. Would you put put a sign on your house front door saying ''Please don't enter property unless you have a condition that warrants entry"
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    12:38pm
    We may as well face the facts. Our current government stopped the boats!
    Our opposition wants to start the, but they cant do that unless we give them the votes.
    Who do you trust??!!
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    12:38pm
    We may as well face the facts. Our current government stopped the boats!
    Our opposition wants to start the, but they cant do that unless we give them the votes.
    Who do you trust??!!
    Cosmo
    15th Feb 2019
    3:59pm
    But the LNP started the boats, they created the refugee flow by joining yet another unwinnable war and destabilising the Middle East. The LNP can never see the consequences of its actions. Dutton again proved that by thinking he could become PM. The party proved that by dumping Turnbull and getting Dr Phelps in his place. We have all had to pay for yet another folly of the LNP over the years since 2001 and Vietnam before that. A government run by a bunch of myopic sociopaths that can be outsmarted by one brand new independent isn't fit the run the country. Even the richest electorate in the land, usually staunch LNP voters could see that.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:51pm
    The Coalition could have agreed to Labor's Malaysian Solution but they didn't did they, so many of these refugees could have been living there now, shame on you Coalition.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    10:02pm
    The Malaysian solution HA HA HA!!!
    It was ruled out by the High Court. I suppose because the math didn't quite add up to the sane people in this country.

    Australia sends 800 refugees to Malaysia and they send 4,000 back. Now I know Labor people would think this is a fair swap, but then again they don't do numbers. Bill Shorten was asked when was the last time Labor ran a budget surplus. He said he didn't know but he was a young man.
    Rodent
    15th Feb 2019
    12:40pm
    Some of you may want to read these facts about so called Boat Turnbacks, rather than the usual BS that both sides want to fight about

    https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/library/prspub/5351070/upload_binary/5351070.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf#search=%22library/prspub/5351070%22
    libsareliars
    15th Feb 2019
    12:47pm
    I agree with you Grateful, Lothario and OG are fools.
    libsareliars
    15th Feb 2019
    12:47pm
    I agree with you Grateful, Lothario and OG are fools.
    libsareliars
    15th Feb 2019
    12:47pm
    I agree with you Grateful, Lothario and OG are fools.
    libsareliars
    15th Feb 2019
    12:47pm
    I agree with you Grateful, Lothario and OG are fools.
    libsareliars
    15th Feb 2019
    12:47pm
    I agree with you Grateful, Lothario and OG are fools.
    BillF2
    15th Feb 2019
    12:54pm
    How can you tell when a politician is lying? Answer: When he speaks!
    Scott Morrison claims to be a Christian, but seems to have little knowledge of Christian values such as 'love thy neighbour' or 'do good unto others'. He also doesn't appear to have read the parable of the 'good Samaritan'. On the contrary, like all politicians concerned with security (for which read 'personal power'), he behaves in a way towards others that he would not accept if he were in their position.
    Is he trying to tell us that there is nobody in government with the intelligence to devise a humane policy for, and treatment of, asylum seekers? Let's face it - it was the Federal government that created this situation by getting Australia illegally involved in other people's wars and creating the refugee crisis. Talk about naive and stupid!
    Scott's main concern, though, along with all the rabble in Parliament, seems to be about keeping his job. Bugger the country and everybody else. Just muddy the waters sufficiently to confuse the voters, and hope for another three years on the gravy train.
    Jtee
    15th Feb 2019
    12:58pm
    I don't want anyone coming into my backyard without invitation unless they are known to me and feel the same about people trying to get into Australia illegally. We are a "soft touch" with our welfare and legal system accessible to those illegal immigrants. Try getting similar benefits as an Australian. We have no way of checking the assets and income of illegal immigrants and with the internet, access to these assets no longer requires a person to be present.

    Don't mention the word "asylum seeker" as many of those coming illegally have travelled through countries where Australians go for holidays. Our generous welfare system is the attraction and reward.
    VJ
    15th Feb 2019
    2:29pm
    I believe that South Australians, Victorians and people of NSW would prefer this government to concentrate on the issues from the Murray Darling Basin than waste time on scaremongering to gain votes on the asylum issue which is already clear. Assessed by two doctors, and reviews by Immigration before they can some for medical treatment. Also Christmas Island has 6 beds and a small medical centre and will cost $1.4m to upograde. What is the LNP thinking!!!
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    3:04pm
    Golly, VJ?? Are they in the Murray Darling Basin now?? We need to strengthen our borders.
    Brissiegirl
    15th Feb 2019
    3:09pm
    Dear Mick,

    Your rude, bombastic "take-over the forum" posts are a major reason as to why I rarely frequent this site. Your tone is that of a typical bully, the style curiously as many mild-mannered Australians know to inhabit unions. When you try to shut down another opinion by insulting the writer as a "troll" you show yourself up as a Labor plant.

    However, it doesn't matter how much you try to send people away from this opinion forum, or to try and convince them to vote socialist, it won't work for very long. That's the general theme these days. Just call someone a troll, a racist or a misogynist in the hope they will put their tails between their legs and disappear. I've got news for you - Mick. It's not working so you better improve your manners if you want anyone to take your strident socialist views a little more seriously. Thank you.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    3:39pm
    Nobody can be as rudely ill-mannered as MICK. He gets the gold award on here. Possibly a GetUp Blogger. The Gillard Government had over 400 of them on the payroll, so its not surprising. About 2 years ago MICK was getting quite frustrated over losing an argument with me that he threatened to pay me a visit. LOL.. Claims he was an Independent Politician. But there is nothing independent about him. Just another thug who cant get his way. Not worth reading his posts, in my opinion.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    3:39pm
    Nobody can be as rudely ill-mannered as MICK. He gets the gold award on here. Possibly a GetUp Blogger. The Gillard Government had over 400 of them on the payroll, so its not surprising. About 2 years ago MICK was getting quite frustrated over losing an argument with me that he threatened to pay me a visit. LOL.. Claims he was an Independent Politician. But there is nothing independent about him. Just another thug who cant get his way. Not worth reading his posts, in my opinion.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:53pm
    Then why bother Adrianus?.
    Adrianus
    15th Feb 2019
    9:51pm
    Misty its hard to explain to you. I'm so much different to you and MICK. I actually enjoy communicating with people who have different ideas/attitudes/views to mine. I don't know if you and MICK could understand that? I know I may sound a little condescending but its not in my nature and I'm not trying to be. I hope you understand.
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    10:35pm
    Really Adrianus, NOT CONDESCENDING?, so you are a glutton for punishment then, enjoying reading all the comments people make about you, so predictable you lot, OG, Adrianus, Lothario, sorry but you are outnumbered here with your idiotic comments and BS.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    3:55pm
    How can sound logic be outnumbered? Doesn't make sense? Poor decisions will always be poor decisions regardless of the number of people who make them.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    3:55pm
    How can sound logic be outnumbered? Doesn't make sense? Poor decisions will always be poor decisions regardless of the number of people who make them.
    PatrickRM
    15th Feb 2019
    4:20pm
    We are not hearing the whole story. Morrison is lying.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-14/politicisation-of-refugees-stop-playing-politics-with-migration/10808394?pfmredir=sm
    Misty
    15th Feb 2019
    7:52pm
    Nothing surprises me these days.
    ex PS
    16th Feb 2019
    9:50am
    Look at his background, he has based his adult life on the ability to lie convincingly.
    Banjo
    16th Feb 2019
    11:44am
    It makes me want to puke reading some of these comments. The fact is if you jail someone you are responsible for their food, shelter and health. If there are some criminals amongst them, you deal with them and that is being done.

    900 refugees have come to mainland Australia for medical treatment since 2013 and there have been no boat arrivals because of it. So for the dense headed, it is already “policy” so what has happened it’s now legislation. No real difference.

    The scaremongering from those people in the main, Lothario, Adrianus and Old Geezer – to them I say read the bluddy policy before you write rubbish.The medevac legislation applies for people who are already there, it does not apply to anyone new so stop making waves where they don’t exist. The fact is, if the government was treating the people offshore in the right way, this legislation would not have been necessary.

    No floodgates have been opened and in my opinion none will be. People who need medical treatment should be afforded that. Some treatment is not available on Manus and if it did there would be no need to bring the refugees here.
    Misty
    16th Feb 2019
    12:44pm
    Yes Banjo, it is like hitting your head on a brick wall, trying to get the correct message through to the 3 you mentioned, and others commenting here with similair views.
    Anonymous
    16th Feb 2019
    12:56pm
    Dumb and dumber having a chat I see . Don’t hurt your brains now
    Misty
    16th Feb 2019
    1:48pm
    Yes Lothario, you and the other 2 talking to each other.
    Banjo
    16th Feb 2019
    2:31pm
    At least we've got "brains"Misty, that can't be said for Lothario et al who refuse to see Morrison is a hypocrite.
    Adrianus
    16th Feb 2019
    3:29pm
    What many don't understand is that the government's success in stopping the boats has been a hard slog. Our border security agencies have done a wonderful job with their persistent law enforcement. At the start of the Abbott government boats were coming at the rate of 23 per month. This had slowed to only 5 per month over the last 14 months thanks to the consistently strong teamwork of our public services.
    I can see that this issue has become very political with some people. Especially those who think migrants weren't being cared for. My advice to them is have another read of Banjo's post above where he contradicts himself in an effort to politicise the issue.

    John Howard's statement will always be relevant.
    "Australia will decide who comes into our country."
    We have a perfectly good immigration program. we don't need any help from the Timor fishermen.
    Adrianus
    17th Feb 2019
    10:58am
    ‘You will not succeed’: Prime Minister Scott Morrison issues stern warning to people smugglers
    Misty
    17th Feb 2019
    12:12pm
    No one is disputing the facts that this govt has slowed the number of boats trying to get here, but they definately have not stopped them altogether, and they are being mischievous with the truth in the statements that the Coalition has, and is putting out about illegal refugees, which they are not, maybe some migrants are economical Asylum Seekers and they should be returned to where they came from.
    Adrianus
    17th Feb 2019
    2:52pm
    Misty, here's another couple of mischievous questions.



    How many detention centres were opened by Labor?

    How many migrants did Labor put into detention?

    How many people smugglers did Labor give permanent residency visas?




    How many detention centres were closed by this government?

    How many migrants did this government place in detention centres?
    Adrianus
    17th Feb 2019
    3:18pm
    How many children were placed in detention by Labor?


    How many children died as a result of Labor's incompetence?



    How many children were removed from detention by this LNP government?
    ex PS
    17th Feb 2019
    9:41pm
    And in the same breath he has invited them to keep trying because he is telling them that the policy has been watered down. He is desperately hoping that a boat gets through, it is the only way he has a hope of winning the next election. Ans because of that, I am betting one will.
    What a happy coincidence that will be for Shomo.
    Misty
    17th Feb 2019
    10:38pm
    What happened under Labor was years ago, we have moved on since then, this is all about what is happening now.
    OnlyGenuineRainey
    18th Feb 2019
    12:26am
    Misty, these tossers are still blaming the ALP from 20 - 30 years ago. they can't move on, just a bunch of tossers the lot of 'em
    Adrianus
    18th Feb 2019
    9:07am
    One side is playing politics and one side is getting on with the job. I might say very effectively getting on with the job. Most Australians who realise the value of strong leadership are aware and this is showing in the polls.
    Labor have not learned their lesson Misty. They place politics above everything else. The first opportunity they get to weaken border protection they take, in the name of political point scoring. Australians have had a gutful.
    Misty
    18th Feb 2019
    9:34am
    Well we will see what happens in 3 months time Adrianus, a lot can happen in that time.
    ex PS
    18th Feb 2019
    11:48am
    It seems we are going round in circles on this one. All we are doing is taking the heat off the governments incompetence in other areas and giving them clear air to gain votes from those who think the boat people issue is a greater danger than it actually is.
    Even the two people who are obviously die hard Liberal stooges have run out of rational arguments to support the government views, this being the case, I think the case against the government has been made and we need to move on.
    I see no reason to help bail out an incompetent government who does not deserve our support by highlighting the only policy that they have been involved in that they can spin to look like a success.
    Anonymous
    18th Feb 2019
    11:49am
    You’re are quite simply deluded
    Mojobomber
    18th Feb 2019
    2:51pm
    When the Liberal Party have nothing to go on they drag the old "reds under the bed, yellow blob descending by gravitational forces from China" skeleton out of the closet. Yes it is right that people be vetted for true refugee status and not allow terrorists into the country but how in the name of all that is compassionate is allowing 300 sick people who have been imprisoned without end in sight, going to encourage floods of boats? And if boats do arrive at ANYTIME, then isn't our navy and border force unable to continue to repel them suddenly? Scott Morrison seriously has some sort of God complex who just wants to be the PM and Peter Dutton, well he is just plain cruel. Grim Reaper incarnate.
    LJ
    18th Feb 2019
    6:53pm
    What prevents the queue jumpers from taking the assistance that is available to return to their point of departure from the last safe country that they caught the boat from, presumably Indonesia in most cases?

    There they can complete the paperwork like everyone else and take their turn.

    They knowingly paid $10,000+ to a people smuggler to jump the queue of real asylum seekers - people who provided evidence to support their claims, didn't destroy their documents and wait patiently while quick-witted, opportunistic economic migrants with large sums of money cajole, bully and trick their way in ahead of them.
    LJ
    18th Feb 2019
    7:09pm
    Of course, they could take the offer of a safe life in the United States. Millions of real asylum seekers worldwide would be leaping at the chance.

    They are where they are presently through their own choosing.

    It is that 'Wonderful Centrelink' neon glowing in the land of Oz.
    Adrianus
    19th Feb 2019
    7:53am
    It appears that one side of politics is trying to put the sugar back on the table.
    ex PS
    19th Feb 2019
    8:32am
    And the other side is telling all who will listen lies about just how much easier it will be to make an attempt in the future. They are inviting more people to try. Virtually selling out national security in order to gain a few easy votes.
    Adrianus
    19th Feb 2019
    11:03am
    Your dumb obedience has no boundaries. That's simply not the case and you know it.
    People smugglers and Timor fisherman sell these voyages to make money. All they see is that, some doctors can now legally take migrants to Australia, if they say they have thoughts of suicide.
    People smugglers are always looking for a sales story to con migrants. They will sell this as a window of opportunity. In many ways they are much like you. They see what they want to see because of self interest.
    kram
    19th Feb 2019
    5:12pm
    Dela Bosca has not written this article for Retirees or the older Australians as he is not one, but instead has taken a modish leftist's view from his choice of his headline onwards...
    I would prefer someone who would put both sides equally and not pander to his own leanings.
    Anonymous
    19th Feb 2019
    10:11pm
    100% dead right kram
    this is the problem with site - left wing views only
    Anonymous
    19th Feb 2019
    10:11pm
    100% dead right kram
    this is the problem with site - left wing views only
    ardnher
    19th Feb 2019
    7:00pm
    Bill Shorten realises he made a big mistake in supporting Keryn Phelps etc. He is not going to argue about Christmas Island being reopened to take those off Naru and Manus who are ILL!!
    They will be assessed there first .

    The detention centre there was NOT reopened for new boat arrivals contrary to what some have said on here!
    OnlyDaughter
    19th Feb 2019
    7:51pm
    I read your post GD about Scott Morrison being a past Immigration Officer and working at Villawood Detention Centre. = Yes, he was an Immigration Minister, managing asylum seekers and those applying as immigrants, but never has he ever worked at the "coal face" of immigration - on the ground, actually working with these people on a day-to-day basis. Scott Morrison is your usual Uni graduate, going on to executive positions, some not too successfully, and political involvement.
    OnlyDaughter
    19th Feb 2019
    7:51pm
    I read your post GD about Scott Morrison being a past Immigration Officer and working at Villawood Detention Centre. = Yes, he was an Immigration Minister, managing asylum seekers and those applying as immigrants, but never has he ever worked at the "coal face" of immigration - on the ground, actually working with these people on a day-to-day basis. Scott Morrison is your usual Uni graduate, going on to executive positions, some not too successfully, and political involvement.
    OnlyDaughter
    19th Feb 2019
    7:51pm
    I read your post GD about Scott Morrison being a past Immigration Officer and working at Villawood Detention Centre. = Yes, he was an Immigration Minister, managing asylum seekers and those applying as immigrants, but never has he ever worked at the "coal face" of immigration - on the ground, actually working with these people on a day-to-day basis. Scott Morrison is your usual Uni graduate, going on to executive positions, some not too successfully, and political involvement.
    OnlyDaughter
    19th Feb 2019
    8:00pm
    Some of the posts on this site are so blatantly political that they really have to originate with the political parties themselves. It seems to me that this site has become the home of those who would deliberately circulate misinformation in order to influence the gullible, the naïve and the confused. Distorted information is fake news, no matter which side of the political spectrum you support. And, apart from the posts, I am not entirely sure that some of the articles published are apolitical, and just seeking points on view from members. I am just so disappointed in this site now. It no longer offers information for retirees and pensioners but has become a divisive home for blatant politicking.
    OnlyDaughter
    19th Feb 2019
    8:00pm
    Some of the posts on this site are so blatantly political that they really have to originate with the political parties themselves. It seems to me that this site has become the home of those who would deliberately circulate misinformation in order to influence the gullible, the naïve and the confused. Distorted information is fake news, no matter which side of the political spectrum you support. And, apart from the posts, I am not entirely sure that some of the articles published are apolitical, and just seeking points on view from members. I am just so disappointed in this site now. It no longer offers information for retirees and pensioners but has become a divisive home for blatant politicking.
    Adrianus
    20th Feb 2019
    8:53am
    Locals on Christmas Island say the possible return of asylum seekers will bring a needed economic boost, but they hate the idea their home is best known around the world as a prison.
    The Christmas Island economy has suffered a sharp downturn since the main detention centre was put into mothballs a year ago.
    There's a buzz of excitement about the place in anticipation of the economy improving sharply as a result of the arrival of medivac migrants from Nauru and Manus Island. Locals who have left the island looking for work have started to return.
    musicveg
    21st Feb 2019
    12:44am
    Not what I heard, tourism was back on track, people had started visiting, hotels were open again, and things were going well, it will destroy Christmas island tourism and they will be worse off. Workers are returning due to the increase in tourism, so you are twisting the facts a bit Adrianus.
    Adrianus
    20th Feb 2019
    10:11am
    "The new law, which Bill Shorten says is a humanitarian change"
    Interesting statement Leon.

    Has Bill Shorten changed?
    I mean since the time he and Chris Bowen's government constructed policies which saw the deaths of 1200 migrants, many of whom were children.
    It's an importantly relevant question, if we want a good night's sleep?
    maxchugg
    20th Feb 2019
    10:43am
    Wouldn't it be nice if we could put an end to the arrival of people who will cost us billions each year and contribute little, if any, to the economy.
    Wouldn't it then be nice if we could use the savings to raise the standard of living for those who paid taxes all of their lives by paying them a pension that would let them be at least slightly abovethe poverty line?
    maxchugg
    20th Feb 2019
    10:43am
    Wouldn't it be nice if we could put an end to the arrival of people who will cost us billions each year and contribute little, if any, to the economy.
    Wouldn't it then be nice if we could use the savings to raise the standard of living for those who paid taxes all of their lives by paying them a pension that would let them be at least slightly abovethe poverty line?
    ardnher
    20th Feb 2019
    7:10pm
    be aware that there is a Bill being held up by Shorten which will strip citizenship from people like that girl in Britain who went to fight with ISIS and wanted to come back to Britain with here just born child. currently she is in a detention camp in Syria. She still believes in beadings and makes no apology for the boming at the concert in Britain where all those young people were killed or maimed. no prizes for guessing that Shorten will allow someone like here back into the country if he gets into government.

    anyway pleased to hear today that the British government has "stripped" citizenship from this terrorist and she willnever be allowed back. Apparently her mother is from Bangladesh or Burma . no doubt her lawyer will appeal but I hope it is unsuccessful. as far as I am concerned she has commited "treason".


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