Big business tax dodging unstoppable

Should Australians boycott brands which dodge paying tax in Australia?

Big business tax dodging unstoppable

Australian Treasury officials have admitted that they have little power to stop large multinational companies, such as Google and Apple, from dodging tax.

Google’s Australian operation is a prime example of Australian laws having no power to stop tax dodging in big business, with Google paying just $74,000 in tax during 2011. During this time Google turned over an estimated $2 billion in revenue from Australian advertisements on its network. Not surprisingly, all but one of Australia’s top 20 companies listed on the stock exchange has subsidiaries in tax-free or low-tax jurisdictions.

The Government passed measures last month which will allow the Tax Commissioner to publish taxation information for any of the 2000 companies which earn over $100 million per annum. This is an attempt to shine a light on the practices, at the top end of business, which pose ‘significant risk’ to Australia's tax system.

At the G20 meeting on the weekend in Moscow, the OECD’s 15-point plan to fix loopholes in the international tax system was endorsed by all 20 finance ministers in attendance. So, this should result a tightening of rules in the coming years.

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Opinion: Australian tax payers the big losers

Big business has for decades been dodging tax by utilising loopholes in international taxation laws, and tax payers need to take a stand.

Tax evasion techniques employed by the largest multinational businesses are pulling billions of dollars out of the Australian economy every year, with the money being sent overseas. This not only has a deep and lasting effect on the progress of our nation, it also adversely affects the services which our government provides, infrastructure projects and even the employment rate.

Unfortunately, as the measures passed by the Government were in relation to income made during the 2013/14 tax year, we will have to wait at least a full year for the Tax Commissioner to release any information on companies generating over $100 million.

I’m amazed at how little uproar there is in the media and general public over tax dodging. When household names such as Telstra or Bonds dumped jobs to take operations off-shore in the past couple of years, the uproar was widespread, yet the implications of those moves pale into insignificance compared with the taxes big business avoid paying.

Will you boycott brands such as Google or Apple because of their tax dodging activities? 





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    unicorn
    25th Jul 2013
    11:59am
    It is not only big business it is any business who employs a "clever" accountant. I know from years of working in accountancy.
    Pass the Ductape
    25th Jul 2013
    2:20pm
    Quite right. I've never understood why the common worker was never able to claim fuel he/she puts in their vehicle as a component for tax deduction when used for the purpose of earning a living - like every other person who operates a business to earn their living.
    Not only that, but there are also a great many other items attributed to running a business and consequently claimed as a tax deduction by the business owner, which are instead common items used in the running their household, for which the wage earner has to pay through the nose for!
    lasaboy
    25th Jul 2013
    12:29pm
    I was in business for 32 years (Engineering) not what I would call big business, but I paid my share of tax, if everyone did as these businesses are doing we would be in big trouble as a country, we need to send a firm message, pay your share or we will tax the hell out of your product
    THAT WORKS FOR ME
    Pass the Ductape
    25th Jul 2013
    2:32pm
    That's the magic figure I guess. 'I paid my share' .

    I might be a little presumptuous but still think you would have made a few bales of hay while the sun shined lasaboy.

    Wouldn't it be nice though to see the likes of Murdock, Packer, Google, etc., pay in percentage terms, what a labourer pays in tax throughout their lives (approx. 26%)
    lasaboy
    27th Jul 2013
    2:59pm
    It will never happen, Government is built and exists on the backs of the ordinary workers
    Oldie87
    25th Jul 2013
    12:42pm
    Like Iasaboy I paid my taxes according to law and not a penny more. My accountants made sure of that. If there is large scale tax avoidance then there has to be something wrong with tax law. Why can't our highly paid politicians and their advisers come up with a simple system that works.
    I remember attending a workshop in the late seventies about taxation . The Keynote speaker wave a thin volume in the air and compared it to a stack of books on his table. The thin publication was the law if Singapore and the stack of books of course Australia. I am sure that by now this has doubled.
    Oldie87
    25th Jul 2013
    12:43pm
    should be "in" Singapore, sorry.
    Anonymous
    25th Jul 2013
    1:04pm
    singapore has a lower tax regime, precisely because the tax law s are simple and efficient. Over here we over complicate things, because pollies worry about pissing of certain sectors and lobby groups
    on the other hand, singapore is not a democracy in the true sense, so their pollies can ram changes down their citizens throats without fear of backlash
    lasaboy
    25th Jul 2013
    1:06pm
    One of the reasons for so many books is the number of different states that have individual laws and then you have the Federal laws, in some cases they clash, so then laws are added to circumvent the clash, sort of like latching the gate after the horse has bolted, but you have to remember a lot of our pollies have large family businesses and the current laws are in their favor, only public opinion will change things and a national campaign would be good
    hipopp
    25th Jul 2013
    1:34pm
    Too late folks...it's called globalisation Google will pay a higher rate of tax at their end the USA. Cannot stop it ...it's the same as folk buying goods on ebay with no GST collected. The folks want cheap goods they will get cheap goods. You have to be a real convert to big government to make the statement this is doing us all badly. Big Government has given us the largest deficits ever seen in history. They just want to take the easy way out and raise taxes to pay for the legion of public servants teachers police federal and state when in the USA whole cities are declaring bankruptcy to avoid paying for pensions they have had no hope of ever paying anyway. Taxes have been used in this country to increase the welfare of the public sector not the private sector. We are following the USA in having a debt burden we cannot service in the long term. Who in their right mind would ever think that a city/state/country with a GDP of billions would be able to service super/pension obligations of trillions. With the abovementioned, what is supposed to happen now is for a company to go overseas and repatriate some money to Australia. That is happening already in some of my mining company investments are operating in the USA. They will repatriate their profits to people like me their shareholders in Australia. I am amazed by the short sighted simplistic view folks have of the way our economic system works (over the globalized world).

    25th Jul 2013
    2:56pm
    Hope Abbott gets in, so the unions would then have to pay tax like any other company.
    unicorn
    25th Jul 2013
    3:26pm
    Why would Abbot make any difference it is only the small person Liberals are against, not the big boy.
    unicorn
    25th Jul 2013
    3:41pm
    Another thing somebody needs to look at is people like Gina Rinehardt who has not paid up her taxes she is years behind why are they allowed to do that. Mining companies are some of the worst are amongst many who have their headquarters in America and whose profits go overseas instead of paying taxes in Australia.
    Oldie87
    25th Jul 2013
    4:28pm
    Well unicorn, one minute you hate Gina, a local, and the next you get stuck into Overseas Mining Co.
    Make up your mind.
    As I said: if they haven't paid any taxes then Legislation should be changed!
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2013
    9:32am
    Tony would make a difference and make unions pay tax. He has already said that an rightly so. Krudd is run by the unions so could never ask his rulers to pay.
    katemar
    25th Jul 2013
    6:19pm
    It should be called the Tax avoidance scam . This day and age every person that lives in this country that takes home a salary each week should be paying taxes doesn't matter who they are - the rich and the middle class have had it too good for too long - it reverts back to the earlier political days when all these lurks and perks started ( you line my pockets and I will line yours) it has got worse as the years have rolled by. The trouble is us Australians are too complacent and we have let the Political system get away with it for too long. They must think that we are so naive and stupid that we don't know what they are up too. The biggest percentage of politicians are Lawyers so I will say no more. I will let you work that one out for yourself. I can't understand why the genuine worker that toils hard every day to earn a dollar hasn't walked the streets in this vast country years ago to protest on what the Polies have been getting away with all these years. They will keep doing it if Australians don't take a stand.
    Paddles
    25th Jul 2013
    9:29pm
    katemar

    You present as a possible adherent to the oft called for "flat tax".
    ice-cold
    25th Jul 2013
    6:35pm
    I've tried to comment on many things over the years, I've sent sms's, E-mails,written to NewsPapers all to no Avail,I've been a Tax-Payer for over 50yrs, but now i'm a Pensioner, So to whom should I try & alert ? The Powers to be have their Hands out, being greased, & a little voice in the wilderness ain't gunna make one iota of difference, The Rich will continue to get Richer & the Poor, Poorer. You may as well piss against the wind !!
    Paddles
    25th Jul 2013
    9:26pm
    Since time immemorial, people have been evading taxation imposts and it has become a contest between the legislators and the earners.
    I have absolutely no problem with tax minimisation schemes as they are sound business practice but that tolerance does not extend to tax avoidance.
    The answer surely lays with the legislators to frame laws that preclude avoidance and, to the extent that such avoidance measures cross international boundaries, then international co-operation methods should be employed.
    It seems to me that the initiative will always be with the one seeking the loophole and the response will be from the Government(s) to stop them up. It's the biggest game in town!
    hipopp
    25th Jul 2013
    9:35pm
    Incentives are given to either pay tax or to invest in pursuits that negate tax. This is called growth. this growth is what employs all the beer swilling workers around the place. the minute gina reinhart withdraws her money from growth promoting pursuits the beer bellies are out of a job got it? the alternative is have the government do everything and we saw what happened in mother Russia didn't we...
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2013
    9:41am
    Good stuff hipopp. Fully agree. Why do people hate work so much???? They should be grateful to have a job. Bloody moaning lot. We have lots of chiefs advising more chiefs and deputy chiefs advising foreman but where are all the indians?????
    Pass the Ductape
    27th Jul 2013
    7:57am
    All the 'Indians' Surfer, are trying to scrape our a living in the so-called lucky country. paying a lot more than their fair share of tax from their meagre wages - than those who are ripping the guts out of this country in their pathetic attempts to pile on a lot more fat around their necks and arses!
    hipopp
    27th Jul 2013
    12:50pm
    hey ductape..I have read some of your posts and it turns out you represent what is wrong with our country right now. You have absolutely no idea of how the modern economy works and indeed appear to be one of those that bleat like sheep "and cry for more (tax) handouts. The average worker could not cope once on $200 a week now he cannot cope on $800 a week even some on $1500 a week cannot cope. So they continually bleat for more. Don't suppose its is their spending that is a problem? not what they do with it. If every worker in Australia was given an extra $200 a week it woul;d simply increase consumption. all that money going overseas would trash our balance of payments. all that money being flushed down the pub toilet would be squandered. Scrape out a living indeed. We have never bought more TV's Phones Cars and other toys...what a waste of money that could have been used to make more money.
    sensible senior
    31st Jul 2013
    4:20pm
    the more the wages go up the more the cost of living goes up so its a never ending cycle.
    unicorn
    26th Jul 2013
    7:42am
    I doubt Gina would know what to invest in & don't tell me that she doesn't buy whatever she likes in the comapnies name. Like all these people.

    26th Jul 2013
    9:36am
    Gina is making jobs for thousands of Australians. She is entitled to legal tax deductions like anyone else. This tall poppy syndrome seems to be alive and well. Remember without prosperous business none of us would have jobs. Most hate work, and are only good at elbow bending. He holds the lantern while his mother cuts the wood. Wake up, this mentality won't be able to last forever.
    Oldie87
    26th Jul 2013
    12:13pm
    Well said, Surfer.
    Were do people think Social services etc are financed from? Certainly not the Government.
    Pass the Ductape
    27th Jul 2013
    8:00am
    What a load of tripe!
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2013
    8:49am
    gina is not providing work for "thousands of australians". she want to bring in low-paid workers from asia.

    the big international mining companies, such as RTZ, as moving towards more and more automation in order to lessen their wages bills.

    in australia the whole mining industry employs less than 2% of workers, and brings in less than 8% of GDP. they get very large deductions, often free water, and taxpayer paid infrastructure. and who will pay for the great pollution they are leaving behind and the damage to our environment? i believe we would be better off without them
    hipopp
    31st Jul 2013
    4:49pm
    you said it kika...the 2% of (mining) people bring in 4 times their share of GDP and there are still some on this site who think mining does not bring in enough. Gerroffit you lot...proves the average aussie worker is a bludger continually crying out for more (money).
    unicorn
    26th Jul 2013
    1:43pm
    No of course not they are financed by the honest taxpayer, the worker! Not by the Giovernment who don't pay for anything it seems and not by the likes of the owners iof Millions of dollars who don't pay any more than they can help and then only when time runs out on them.Wake up Surfer is the salt weater getting into your brain ? Uou too Oldie.
    katemar
    26th Jul 2013
    2:37pm
    I worked and paid my taxes all my working life until I retired like thousands of other tax payers in this wonderful country and then had to pay a second lot of tax on my super package. Yes the likes of the Gina's, Foresters, Palmers etc: are keeping people in work but I don't agree with you Surfer that Gina's employing thousands of people and I definitely wouldn't agree with you that most people hate work - There are no incentives out there and people seem to slide in a rut and of course the dole system hasn't helped. There was a scheme in the late 70's called the "Job start trainee program". That scheme was fantastic who ever thought of it was spot on with their thinking into the future. If it had not been abolished by the government of the day there would not be one single person in this country that would not have had some sort of skilled training. (there wouldn't be any excuses then and it would boost their confidence.) - it was a wonderful scheme and should be re introduced and then they could get rid of the dole scheme. ( I was familiar with the scheme as I trained about 14 young people while the program was in existence and they all left me after 17 months training with jobs to go too.) The Government seem to think the dole scheme was the way to go. I guess they had a reason for that - Maybe they wanted unemployment and people on the streets. Who knows.
    Anonymous
    26th Jul 2013
    2:43pm
    I agree with you, and no one should get dole money without having to do some work for it. There is a lot of work they could be put on. Help save our tax money.
    student
    29th Jul 2013
    3:42pm
    the cost of 'working for the dole' is too expensive and extremely hard to implicate(take insurance for example). Every time politicians want to look efficient and appear to be saving the State money (like in election time) they all bash the underprivileged and the most vulnerable in society.

    The big mining companies get a motza from the Government so why the heck shouldn't they pay big tax?? And yes, I do believe what's in the earth belongs to all Australians. Yep, I'm in a bad mood today :)

    26th Jul 2013
    2:39pm
    Tut Tut Unicorn, I think you have missed the plot. Never mind, Tony will bring us back to earth. Good we can all pay our taxes and look after all the social wellfare. Off for a dip.
    unicorn
    27th Jul 2013
    9:20am
    Surfer you have missed the plot and always will, you are like Tony are you sure you are not him in disguise. Always say the same thing over & over Tony will do everything to make the world right. Ha that's if we can believe in his promises not plans as he has no set plans, he is just full of "I" will fix it up whatever the Government is doing it is wrong. Hey be wary of that surf it is getting to you.

    27th Jul 2013
    12:48pm
    I dont think anybody likes paying taxes,rich,poor,unemployed etc,wether we earn 20K a year or 250K a year you can be sure that State and Federal taxes will diminish it before your eyes,just like Magic!
    But the big mining companies should be hammered mercilessly,so they employ people,big deal,they do not do it for love of their fellow man! its done for a big thick black "bottom line" called profit,or I have more than you so get back to work serf!

    The mining companies are taking resources that are on Crown Land,we own it,not Rhinehart,Forrester or Palmer,we the people own the minerals,they have a mining lease to get the minerals,a gift from us the serf taxpayer,Crown Land is able to be leased by anyone with the cash,the Pastoral Lease is an example,this lease holder has rights to the feed,the flora,but the Mining Lease well they take the mineral wealth as if they own it,they do not own it,they lease it from us serf taxpayers and live very nicely too,and they should be taxed to the maximum allowed by law,they are profiting from the serf taxpayer,they owe us bigtime,and the Aboriginal Native Title Holders get a bloody massive amount of money to allow it,do not feel soorry for the miners or the owners they are all multi millionaires over and over,tax then very hard indeed,because these Crown Land Minerals beong to every Australian! and we the serf taxpayer kindly allow them to prosper,no sympathy for them,they are just greedy parasites,TAX EM HARD!
    hipopp
    27th Jul 2013
    1:04pm
    bilyknows you take the cake for ignorance .Minerals in the ground have no value they are stuck in the ground and have no monetary value. Over a long time modern man developed a system to get these minerals out of the ground. It takes a prospector to throw in modern living to go bush and find these minerals at his expense...you can do that too. It then takes investors money to fund formation of a company to exploit the minerals with a lot of capital to fund an office and wages etc etc and planning...you can do that too...then it takes studies to present to bankers to borrow other investors funds to build the infrastructure, you can fund those enterprises too....then it takes money to run the plants while they try and run at a profit..you can provide that money too....then it takes finding a market for the minerals produced at the right price...you can help by buying some of the minerals yourself ....then all being well the company digging the stuff out of the ground might actually start paying back investors money in the form of dividends. Risk taken risk rewarded. the whole thing could have gone belly up at any time and it does. And then people like you come along. You have done nothing nought nil zilch and bleat like a sheep. you want what for nothing? gerrofffit! get an education please you must be one of those socialists who want to take from everyone without doing anything for it. If you want a share of the mining boom invest in it ...buy shares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2013
    2:20pm
    I do and I have,you miss my point,the minerals belong to all Australians,not a select few,and they should be taxed accordingly.

    I own the leases on three prospecting titles here in WA,do you have leases anywhere,and i know exactly what it takes to mine it too,the rewards far outweigh the outlay,thats why its called business,if my leases were big enough i would turn them into mining leases and mine them,but they are very small,hand work only.
    These whining Mining Magnates make me sick,they only produce for themselves not for the good of the land owners who are us,the sef taxpayers,you know nothing my friend but you obviously vote Liberal.

    THey get their wealth for free a gift from me and you and every other Australian,you know nothing?
    hipopp
    27th Jul 2013
    3:24pm
    hey hand tool miner with mining leases billyknows...your post has a lot of venom in it...can't feel any sympathy for your situation neither do I support your socialistic handout views. If you reckon us shareholders are not returning dividends back to the community then swallow this...my friends grandson is a Welder on the Chinchilla Gas Project and he earns wait for it....$3000 dollars PER DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he gets taxed an exhorbitant amou8nt which then the government squanders on youi and me. You want me to believe the Big Miners return no money to the community?get a life man. You are really trying to pull down someone that is richer than you that is all...is aan Australian phenomenan that goes back to our convict days
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2013
    5:14pm
    Hey big mouth fool,I own Prospecting Licences,hey Fool,I too am not only a part time Miner but also a qualified pipe welder and Welding Supervisor,Hey Fool,you do not need a ticket to weld gas pipes,they are not pressure vessels,Hey Fool I can teach a non welder to stovepipe weld gas pipes in a day at the most?
    Guess what I am?was a gas pipeline welder and it was very easy work,easiest job i had, it was just the 12 hour days that buggered you,and if this "grandson" of your mate is on $950,000.00 a year you are the fool for believing him.
    Get that hey fool with moving mouth that sprays Bulls..t

    Regards billy the successfull hand miner,how was your day!
    hipopp
    27th Jul 2013
    5:44pm
    and at the end of the day billy the circus man you will still be a socialistic minded fool yourself. Pity we have to put up with the uneducated classes...they think the world should conform to their way of uneducated thinking. go gina go clive we are indebted to you not the likes of a petty small time miner like billyfool who is messing about with uneconomical mines like the fool he is. Yup folks if you just do what billyfool says we'll all be right...
    lasaboy
    27th Jul 2013
    2:25pm
    There have been many comments, not all positive, how the hell did Tony get into this, I wish for once things like this would not be a football for the poillies, as to the dole I think all the young ones should do nasho's for a year or two, before they can get the dole (unless they are doing uni courses and if they do not get a job after, then nasho's), but I don't believe they should be posted overseas if they are conscripts, that should alleviate a lot of problems with the dole and supply a lot of manpower through Oz, the armed forces never did me any direct harm, although a lot of mates are still in problems from Vietnam, but then war was never conducive with a normal lifestyle, we need the super rich to pay their share not walk a fine line and thumb their noses at us, as they make their money on OUR backs not the other way around

    27th Jul 2013
    3:20pm
    Tony got his paws into everything!
    Gotta agree about these dole bludgers doing Nasho,should be made Law.
    unicorn
    27th Jul 2013
    4:47pm
    What really amazes me is I owned a acreage in country N.S.W., & one of the laws stated that although I owned the land & could farm it etc, anything underneath was the crowns. Now I ask you where is this fair I own the land and any idiot who gets a mining licence from the gov't can come along & dig up crops etc. that I may have growing. Right now there is a big coal deposit found not far from the land I used to own. Am I glad I no longer own such land.
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2013
    5:06pm
    They have to pay you Royalties unicorn and on private land ( here in WA) anyway they cant touch it unless the owner sells it,owners choice,they would of offered a lot more than its value to get the mineral,its only Crown Land thats a problem,and we all own that!

    billy
    hipopp
    27th Jul 2013
    5:46pm
    yeah and billgoat knows all about avoiding tax on his small mines...come clean yer donkey dipper socialist clod.
    hipopp
    27th Jul 2013
    5:49pm
    and just to mention donkey dipper...fayes sister works a Saturday 8 hours as a nurse and gets $800 for one shift....see the government gets the loot from the miners and passes it on to the nurses not you. har har har keep digging that dirt mate.
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2013
    7:04pm
    Engineers at the Chinchilla Project get between 160K and 200K,so is this grandson of your mate getting nearly 5 times that rate? i dont think so,being a Shell Project with Santos involvement means they are tight as hell,$3000 a day get real.
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2013
    7:07pm
    Oh i forgot you are wrong on every count Hickzop
    hipopp
    27th Jul 2013
    7:10pm
    45 degree heat 12 hour days $5000 a week...more than the $600 average wage
    sensible senior
    29th Jul 2013
    10:15am
    unicorn i believe if you own the land you and you alone should decide who can come on there. i dont believe in fracking and we will live to regret it
    hipopp
    27th Jul 2013
    7:17pm
    and I have a patch in the bush prospecting...not a colour yet so I suppose I am a bigger failure than you are. the biggest enemies we have are the politicians that promise so much to us dumb voters who are then bought. Obama has taken the US debt from 8 to 13 trillion dollars. Our pollies are working on their own debt especially Rudd now Gillard before. Spend big now and let the Libs pay off the debt....what an arrangement.
    Anonymous
    27th Jul 2013
    7:33pm
    You said this bloke was on 3 grand a DAY,not week,I got bugger all from my leases but i sold em to a junior goldminer,thats how i made my money,you get stuff all because all the big companies have every bit of WA covered,you want to look then get a 20A and go for your life,every bit of decent ground in WA is under lease,you have no chance of getting gold,unless you are smart and get lucky.
    sensible senior
    28th Jul 2013
    8:13am
    i watched a forum by Dr. Hewson and i think he made a lot of sense. he gave it to both sides. stating that we are overgoverned by state, councils, etc. he hade a point about population which we need to expand but need greater infrastructure to cope with same and this should be set up by a body outside government hands i say yes but would like to see more new zealand people here as they are close to our way of thinking. also he said this government did not act wisely during the global finance and i agree on that as we had a good economy with banks protected money in the bank, there are still millions of dollars of $900 cheques still outstanding, these would only be by people who have money. he also said that the disability and the gonski would not be able to be afforded and i certainly agree on that although i think that these are good ideas we have nowhere near the money to support same. he also said that we should double the g.s.t. and then we could afford some of these things and i agree on this also as only the rich people spend a lot as the poor people cannot afford same, to help he said the pensioners, etc should be looked after in this regard. he critised the interest rate as tabled by our reserve bank and said they made a lot of mistakes and i agree with this he said it should be down to about 1% now. He callled Kevin Rudd a control frfeak which i agree and when asked would Tony make a good P.M. he said Tony was a very determined person and saw things to the end also that he should have on his bench people who can get things done and i believe they have. now folk i have managed the books for a million dollar business and you have to have rich people to support the poor, they employ a lot of people, pay payroll tax,super and lots of tax in other ways, to say that Tony does not support the poor or small business is utter rubbish he says we have to get small bussinnes moving and i agree on that, there used to be only and the rich and the poor now we have not many rich people and a lot of poor people i believe everybody should pay their taxes, including churches,unions(because why should they be able to donate to the labor party with members money) let all parties stand on their own two feet . he aslso said that the tax system should be overhauled and i believe so. i have done tax rfeturns on a voluntary basis and believe you me poor people do not pay any tax.
    unicorn
    28th Jul 2013
    9:18am
    Of course they don't seem to pay tax but you see they still have to pay GST and if that's not a tax what is? And also as the poor people do not earn enough to pay income tax why should they pay when the likes of big business get so much free and the company pays for it. Yet they do not pay tax on these things such as cars, etc. Even in some cases they but their own furniture as a tax deduction, or if you prefer as a company expense.
    sensible senior
    28th Jul 2013
    10:11am
    unicorn if we did not pay g.s.t which is given to the states we would not have hospitals, etc. it is the threshhold that determines how much tax is paid. companies are allowed to write off cars , furniture etc anything that is involved in running their business as small businesses do . who builds their own furniture do you think big companies would build their own furniture and this would put the small furniture store out of business along with other retailers.
    sensible senior
    29th Jul 2013
    10:18am
    i would also like to add as to one point where the revenue has gone down is because this idiot of a government raised the threshold considerably and did not allow for anything else to take its place
    Riddle
    28th Jul 2013
    10:16am
    The best run company's are those that mix sound business principles and active employee participation bonus schemes via a share of profits.
    Things that simply don’t wash:
    Unscrupulousness employers who rape and pillage under the guise of unfair work principles, tax avoidance schemes and certainly unhealthy community minded thinking that only manages to set a high standard in porky pig greed. Its not ok. Its a sick slick mindset that is predominantly about plain selfishness. Remember work choices and the big kick in the ass for Mr crybaby Howard got as the result years ago?
    On the other hand there is nothing wrong with hard work, ambition and forward planning. The lot of many Australians workers is only work to a minimal in order to drink and gamble watch the footy and covert thy neighbours wife. So sad is that yobbo mentality and its a drag on the soul of Australia..
    The silent majority of Australian families pay their rightful tax's. Alas, is it actually rightful? I think not. Its rightful under the set up legislation,but along the way they are slugged left right and centre via gst's, and diminishing government services and ever rising state and local government taxes and charges. These families from the silent majority don’t pay a rightful tax simply because big and small corporate greed pays lesser than what should be rightful!
    For years we have been feed a sloppy slip-road rot on how private enterprise can provide goods and services cheaper and better.
    Historical fact. If private enterprise goes it better and everything publicly owned has been hived off like a bee keepers trickle, well plain and simple how come life has got harder instead of better?
    Please explain.
    If Australia doesn’t print money like the yanks ever increasing burping bubble just maybe our sovereign debt is something else entirely. I wonder just wonder if perhaps the sum total of debt is perhaps equal to the same some of money stolen from our nation by big and small corporate extra profit?
    sensible senior
    28th Jul 2013
    10:27am
    riddle i agree with you that we should not sell our assets or print money especially this is bad and dont forget there are a lot of middle class people who have their super tied up in shares which i think it is a very bad thing because i believe that another gfc is coming far bigger than the last and super will be lost once again. i would be tying my super up in cash. also you are always going to get the shonky operator whether large or small so we should have a decent authority to counteract this and give them all the bite they need to act.
    Anonymous
    28th Jul 2013
    9:16pm
    Funnily enough I too agree with you Riddle,you put your point across pretty well there,easy to follow too.
    billy
    Maggiegreen
    29th Jul 2013
    8:31am
    Tony has lots of plans for the proper running of our Country. He is not silly enough to release them now, so Kevin can try to counteract them. Once we know when the Election will be,( and Parliament was closed down with the expectation of adhering to the announced date of the Election), Kevin has decided to postpone it till he's finished mopping up after the debacle we have endured this year, and previous ones. This is a deprivation of our rights to have a duly elected Party running the Country. I guess we have to put our hopes in " all good things come to those who wait." Here's hoping we wont be waiting too much longer.
    unicorn
    29th Jul 2013
    9:36am
    I am afraid you have that backwards Maggiegreen as it is Tony who copies everything that John did before him and anything that he says he will do is nonsense, like when he says he will stop the boats. How is he going to stop them ? Nobody knows but his Minister for immigration gave quite a lot away when speaking last night, he was quite interesting to listen to. Ha ha Pity a few more hadn't heard him.
    sensible senior
    29th Jul 2013
    5:39pm
    i beg to differ tony wont release all their policies because this party steals them and he is in opposition not running the country like this government should be doing. this government have used now nearly all of the policies to stop the boats and still have not done. i watched an interviewe with kevin rudd on the bolt show and he said himself the boats would not stop he would not answer when they ewould stop nor asnswer on climate change or on other questions. i think this man leaves a lot to be desired when he goes with his wife to afghanistan and says it time we brought you home DAH THEY WERE COMING HOME ANYWAY and i think this is a blatant use of taxpayers money just to canvas for the election, if it was done at any other time GREAT to support our wonderful troops . i also watched a piece on abc 24 where they were showin 700 muslims refrugrees how to vote, bet it was labors idea because they said they would vote for kevin rudd and one man cried because his wife and 4 children were still over there what an ass why did he not send his wife and children first. they make me sick
    katemar
    29th Jul 2013
    9:58am
    The Politicians in the Senate are the ones that make the decisions for this country. That is why I have never voted above the line as I don't want anyone political party in this country having control of the Senate - Why do you think at the time of the elections the senate paper is so long with all these parties that we have never heard of before. Everyone is so busy these days the quickest way is to put the X in the box above the line. When are the voters in this country going to wake up to really what is happening here. I could see it over 20 years ago when I was a Radio Producer - I had a lot to do with Federal and State Polies and what I could see happening to this country back then is all coming true. We definitely need administrators in all levels of government- The system has to change. Wake up Australia.
    unicorn
    29th Jul 2013
    2:14pm
    If they used some of the late night phone ins I hear they would be better repeating theses comments than the so called news as is broadcast. It is amazing what you hear on these programmes that you never hear any whee else.
    lasaboy
    29th Jul 2013
    3:39pm
    Both these parties are full of it, they do things on party lines, not what the people want, and if you think different you are deluding yourself, once upon a time many eons ago the parties were about the people with money and without, liberal was for the landowners and money group and Labor was for the average man, no such system exists now it is every man for himself, I am so sick of pollies, if they are not kissing babies they are stealing their lollipops, I have never met one I trust in politics and I am friends with many, they know my views and are unconcerned as we have all known each other for more years than I prefer to remember
    unicorn
    29th Jul 2013
    4:46pm
    I agre and the added one - drag their missus around to tell us all what a good boy he is, ha ha. As if we believe that baloney.I have bever seen a more mored looking wife than Tony's Margie when he dragged her around with him to say what a kind gentle man he was afrer Julia had told him off in parliament.
    sensible senior
    29th Jul 2013
    5:44pm
    unicorn you beg belief Margie has stayed out of the stoplight until julia gillard called tony names in parliament . she is a lovely lady who has beautiful daughters AND I CAN SAY HE DID NOT TAKE HER TO AFGHANISTAN TO CANVAS FOR VOTES.
    sensible senior
    29th Jul 2013
    6:17pm
    Labor"s border chaos pushing Border Protection Command to breaking point )2/11/11

    Border protection command is under massive strain with their patrol boats being forced to operate close to breaking point, shadow minister for justice customs and border protection Michael Keenan said today.
    Lab or have this border crisis of their own making they have cut critical fund to customs including the slashing of the budget for aerial survellance by 20.8 and reducing aerial surveillance by 2,215hours. labor has taken the knife to customs at every single budget by axing funding and personnel. this year's budget cut a further 90 staff from customs on top of the 250 cut in the 2010-11 budget. they also cut $34 million for passenger facilitation at our airports and cut funding for cargo screening at our border by $58.1million in the 2009-10 budget resulting in even less cargo being x-rayed and physically examined to detect illicit drugs, weapons and other contraband.
    ian
    29th Jul 2013
    9:14pm
    this is a defeatist attitude - just block their Aus website access if they don't pay a percentage of their turnover at say 10%
    unicorn
    30th Jul 2013
    8:33am
    Do you deliberately repeat what I say SS or do you only read what you want to?
    Margie did not go to Afghanistan why should she , she has nothing to do with the Australian troops who are serving in Afghanistan. I am sure they would feel horrified if faced by a stranger, obviously not there for their entertainment. Except for a good laugh.
    sensible senior
    30th Jul 2013
    9:31am
    nor does your Theresa Rein what a laugh a stranger who loves children and is devoted to doing more for them not like your theresa rein who was caught paying people less money than she should just to boost up their millions and why not as leader of the opposition he would have every right to take marjorie but this exerceise was just to win votes it was said so by the pakistan lawyer on q and a last night and it is also reported he did not allow so many reporters so that he could take camermen etc to make sure he had some good shots. no unicorn I SHOOT YOUR VILE REMARKS DOWN IN FLAMES. kevin rudd said its about time we bring you home DAH THEY WERE ALREADY COMING HOME where is your sense of fair play when it is alright for mr. rudd to do this and not tony abbott. WE ARE A NATION OF SHEEP
    RULED BY WOLVES
    AND OWNED BY PIGS.
    unicorn
    30th Jul 2013
    11:34am
    Sounds like yon are one of the pigs SS
    sensible senior
    30th Jul 2013
    3:52pm
    AND PIGS MIGHT FLY. see unicorn you come back with vile words why not debate me instead
    katemar
    30th Jul 2013
    2:58pm
    I can't believe the mentality of some responses that I have been reading. it seems that you believe everything you read in print media or hear on radio and TV. I can remember there was an old saying years ago I think it goes something like this 'you don't believe it unless you hear it from the horses mouth or otherwise you don't believe it unless you see it for yourself.' - it is so true. Everything is so grossly exaggerated these days which is a shame that is the way life has become there is no honesty anymore. There are many reasons for it but I am not going to explain it to you as can work it out for yourselves
    Oldie87
    30th Jul 2013
    3:31pm
    Hear, Hear,
    unicorn
    31st Jul 2013
    8:58am
    SS I will more than welcome a debate but I feel like a lot of people you are not ready for a debate. All you want to say is labs vs libs with libs winning.
    sensible senior
    31st Jul 2013
    4:16pm
    unicorn that is a cop out. pray tell who the people are that will not debate me. i am a liberal supporter for federal i support people whon i think can do a good job i am sorry i cannot support this government . they have had some good ideas but we have no money to make it happen. now can you tell me who is paying for the latest fiasco with kevin rudd bringing in obamans advisors what about 245 tierman is he still being paid please tell me your thoughts on this its about time they both got down to talking about policies, etc.
    hipopp
    31st Jul 2013
    5:19pm
    Strange how all the Labour voters here are busy knocking gina and clive yet say nothing about the corrupt Labour pollies and their friends McDonald obeid and others...har har har yo hypocrites........
    unicorn
    1st Aug 2013
    10:27am
    Sorry SS I cannot debate you on a subject which I know nothing of in fact your mail is the first I have heard of it..
    It's okay Hipopp if we happen to be labor voters it has nothing to do with the likes of Gina not paying her taxes. As I have not mentioned Palmer I cannot explain that. ha ha ha you are the hypocrite!!!!
    sensible senior
    1st Aug 2013
    12:39pm
    unicorn you reaslly take the cake i can think of other words but my principals wont allow it. you seem to know nothing about nothing i asked who else wont debate me andyou put it out there so name them and gee i did your side a favour by saying that alcohol should be icreased seems you labor people on here might be a politician in diguise because after i posted it mr rudd seems to come up with the idea seeing as he is short on policies himself never mind it isd a good idea because these things do a lot of harm. PLEASE COME BACK WITH SOMETHING DEFINATE I NOT RUBBISH
    hipopp
    1st Aug 2013
    5:11pm
    you are spot on unicorn you know nothing you are just another one of those labour people who are labour people because well they are labour people. So far a lot of yours not mine representatives have been shown up as looney or crooks...is that the best you can do?
    unicorn
    1st Aug 2013
    2:30pm
    Go chase yourself SS abut all you do is send people in circles I suggest you try a few.
    sensible senior
    1st Aug 2013
    4:12pm
    is that the best you can do okay but when you post with all the vile words or lies about other people i will reply if i think it necessary. you should change your avator maybe to a crocodile
    sensible senior
    1st Aug 2013
    4:14pm
    guess what KEVIN RUDDS BROTHER GREG LIKES TONY ABBOTT. I DO TOO
    unicorn
    1st Aug 2013
    5:24pm
    well I must say your avatar suits you a silly looking duck.
    sensible senior
    1st Aug 2013
    6:20pm
    a happy little chappy
    unicorn
    2nd Aug 2013
    7:45am
    I hope SS & hipopp heard the news last night about the not so great LIBERAL Govt in NSW when the not so premier of the state refused for weeks to call ICAC in to investigate the then Minister for Finances however he eventually gave in & sacked him but the opposition is now calling for ICAC to investigate.
    sensible senior
    2nd Aug 2013
    8:25am
    well unicorn i have not heard of what you say hope the truth comes out but no matter what you have a lot of corrupt people in the labor party and i would just like to say that i apologise about my remarks about your avatar it was on the spur of the moment and you are entitled to be seen and heard in good faith although i do like a good laugh can laugh at myself and i picked my picture becase it was my nick name mainly because of my name and because i am short. cheers
    hipopp
    2nd Aug 2013
    9:04am
    don't apologise to labour voters SS. Like unicorn they just want to deflect attention away from all their corruptness and selfishness by picking on others and when others pick back they scream persecution. Only a looney would support what labour stands for...
    sensible senior
    2nd Aug 2013
    9:31am
    hipopp I AGREE I DO NOT SUPPORT LABOR IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM but i like to defend what lies are put out there, i cannot believe that people are so stupid bto vote for kevin rudd the mind boggles all the newspapers seem to be going with this nerd look into his history i hope his brother getsd in if the liberal or nat rep dont says a lot when your own brother speks out about you and he says he likes tony abbott. yah
    unicorn
    2nd Aug 2013
    9:37am
    Thank you SS I just hope you are happy if Tony gets in because as much as I admire liberal in some ways I cannot abide Tony Abbot. Sorry, I did like Joe Hockey until he opened his big mouth about some of their policies and made a mockery out of their "ideals".
    sensible senior
    2nd Aug 2013
    10:33am
    unicorn TONY ABBOTT
    sydneynuniversity
    economical law
    firstgrade rugby
    president of the src
    RHODES SCHOLAR OXFORD UNIVERSITY

    ma politics and philosphy
    won two blues in boxing

    political career
    on the election of the howard government in 1996 he was appointed parliamentary secretary to the minister for employment education, training and youth affairs, in this role he was responsible for the establishment of the green corps program for young people.

    following the 1998 election he was appointed minister for employment services as minister the oversaw the development of the job network and a major expansion of work for the dole

    in january 2001 Tony was promoted to cabinet as minister for employment, workplace relations and small business. following the 2001 election he was appointed minister for employment and workplace reatons, leader of the house and minister assisting the prime minister for the public service
    Tony was appointed minister for health and ageing on the 7th october,2004

    After the election in 2007 tony became shadow minister for families, community services, indigenous affairs. in december 2009 2009 he became leader of the opposition. in 2009 he launched his book battlelines.

    As the parliamentary secretary to the minister for youth affairs, Tony oversaw the establishment of the green corps, a traineeship programme giving young people six months experience in environmental restoration works, such as weed control or feral animal eradication and the construction of national park infrastructure.

    as minister for employment services, Tony as responsible for bedding down job network which replaced the commonwealth employment servce.

    Tony established the cole royal commission into the buiding and construction industry to examine coercion collusion and intimidation in the commercial construction industry which led to the creation of the australian building and construction commission.

    3as health minister, he managed effectively a department budget as big as that of the nsw government. he oversaw the expansion of medicare rebates to allied health professionals such as sdentists and psychologists and introduced the strengthening medicare reforms which delivered record levels of bulk billing to patients and in 2003 when faced with the medical indemnity crisis that threatened to cause an exodus from public hospitals of obstetricans and neurosurgeons, he brokered a solution that kept public hospital doctors at theirposts and protected medical professionals against skyrocketing damages claims. He a;so undertook reforms which provided higher medicare rebates for people with high out of pocket health costs and approved cheaper life saving drugs under the pharmaceutical benefits scheme (PBS) for cervical cancer, breast cancer, postrate cancer, chronic kidney disease, leukemia, osteoporosis and arthritis.

    Tony also began the process of tackling the problems of state government run public hospitals by seeking to establish local amanagement boards to take the bureaucracy out of patient care. this remains and emportant coalition policy goal. i feel there are many others too numerous to mention , his love of the aboriginal people and what he has done for them volunteering for life saving , fires etc has a wife majorie who deals with children and three lovely daughters who are a credit to him. now you labor people tell me i got this from his site yes i did but it is not wrong i have followed politics all my working life which has been for a long time and i am quite capable of knowing who is good and who is bad . IAM A QUEENSLANDER KNOW TOO WELL ABOUT KEVIN RUDD LOOK UP WHAT HE HAS ACHIEVED BACH OF ARTS HE HAS NOT HAD THE EXPERIENCE TONY ABBOTT HAS ALL HE HAS IS SO CALLED CHARISMA. WAKE UP AUSTRALIA. and unicorn more people could be investigated by the iaac and one is mike kelly i rest my point
    Oldie87
    2nd Aug 2013
    11:21am
    I wouldn't bother to rebut unicorn with facts and figures.
    There will always be people like him, rusted on supporters who will not be swayed.


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