Friday Flash Poll – Is Ita the right person to lead the ABC?

Can Ita save the ABC? Tell us what you think in our Friday Flash Poll.

Friday Flash Poll – Is Ita the right person to lead the ABC?

“Australians trust Ita,” said Prime Minister Scott Morrison. “I trust Ita and that’s why I have asked her to take on this role and I’m absolutely thrilled that she has accepted.”

The PM will officially recommend media icon Ita Buttrose to the Governor General as the ABC’s new leader – only the second woman ever to chair ‘Aunty’.

After five months of management turmoil, Ita will captain a ship that is still sailing, but one that may be slightly flailing in the public’s eye.

She certainly has the PM’s backing.

“Ita, as we know, has the strength, the integrity and the fierce independence that she is known for to take stewardship of this important Australian institution,” said Mr Morrison.

“But it is not just her extensive experience in publishing and broadcasting which equips her for this role.

“The reason she has been so successful in publishing, in broadcasting, is she has always put her viewers, her listeners and her readers first. And you know what? That's what the ABC needs to do too.”

At 77, Ms Buttrose’s resume is impressive. She was the founding editor of Cleo Magazine in 1972, editor of The Australian Women’s Weekly, the first woman to edit Sydney’s Daily Telegraph, and the first woman appointed to the News Limited board.

The former Australian of the Year is also an advocate for Australians with Alzheimer’s and dementia.

Ms Buttrose says her top priority is to restore stability to the public broadcaster and get it “functioning again”.

“I think my most important role is to restore stability to the management of the organisation, to reassure the staff that life will go on as usual and to reassure the board, who has also been through a period of unrest, that it’s time to get the ABC functioning again with proper stable management and good frank discussion between the chair and whoever is the managing director,” said Ms Buttrose.

“If there’s not a close relationship between the chair and the managing director, you cannot make an organisation work efficiently and well.”

A self-declared life-long ABC fan, Ms Buttrose also wants to ensure the community retained its trust in the organisation.

“I consider it one of the most important cultural and information organisations in our country and I’m honoured to be asked to lead it into the future,” she said.

“It is a voice of the Australian people. I think it reflects our identity, it tells our stories not just here in Australia but to the rest of the world, and I have grown up with the ABC.

“I’m a passionate believer in the independence of the ABC and I will do everything in my utmost power to make sure it remains that way.”

Even though Ita has solid publishing and media credentials, some still doubt that she has what it takes to run a digital media empire – a suggestion Ms Buttrose rejects.

“I have never been frightened of what technology offers to us in the media,” she said.

“It is the way of the future. We all know that. And the ABC has a part of that and it’s already working very hard in this field and I don’t intend that it shouldn’t keep doing so.

“We have a right to be there. It is the way of the future and the ABC must have that future.”

Ms Buttrose suggested that the lack of media experience on the previous board may have contributed to ‘Aunty’s’ recent woes.

“If I look at the board, and I look at [former managing director] Michelle Guthrie’s CV, I don’t see anybody there with a lot of media experience,” she told ABC’s The Drum.

“And I think that is a failing of the board – they’re very well-credentialed, don’t get me wrong.

“But there’s not a lot of media experience there, and I think you must have media experience if you’re going to run the ABC because of the very nature of the ABC.”

Read more at www.abc.net.au

Ita Buttrose certainly has the skills and background required to lead such a precious public institution, but does she have what it takes to save the ABC? Does it even need saving?

Tell us what you think in our Friday Flash Poll: Does the ABC need ‘saving’?

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What is wrong with the ABC? What do you think of Ita Buttrose? As always, we welcome your opinions in the comments section below.





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    The Care Bear.
    1st Mar 2019
    9:56am
    Good Captains Pick.
    Doesn't say much for the selection panel when not one women was included.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:34am
    I heard Ita on the news last night and she seemed to be saying she needed to "fix" the ABC.
    This worries me as there is nothing wrong with the ABC other than the fact it reports the bad stuff from the right as well as the misbehaviour of big business. These are the reasons the current government has cut funding several times and has talked abut selling off the ABC. Of course we all know Who the likely buyer would be.

    Australians would welcome Butrose as long as she is not there to do a job for right wing interests. I'd say that will become clear very quickly.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    10:50am
    On the other hand Mick they need to get rid of the left wing overkill the ABC has been suffering from
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:54am
    What about the right wing overkill on the commercial stations. We watch 7 News and it got rid of one NSW State Labor leader and is now after the replacement with 15 year old allegations. The station has been pushing a wagon for the right and you can tell an election is coming given the intensity of the campaign being waged by the right wing media.

    I'll accept your view if you also look at the other side. That's the problem with those who lament about the claimed 'bias' from the ABC. The station gets attacked for AIRING THE DIRT the right seek to hide from the public.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    11:23am
    Too true, Mick - study after study has shown zero bias in the ABC,but to a 'rightie' any criticism of business or LNP is savagely left.

    Small children with big sicks, and totally paranoid and full of the delusion that they are The Red Queen and can just run around chopping off heads because they are 'entitled' .....

    Then they wonder why people have no trust in them...

    That's just me being nice.....
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:33pm
    Spot on TREBOR.
    For the trolls and those who believe the ABC is biased check out this link:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    The ABC is RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. The commercial outlets are to the right.

    You can run trolls but you can't hide!
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    12:48pm
    MICK....Ita will fix the ABC alright.

    What does it tell you? SlowMo has to pick the person for the position instead of the ABC board. We a living in a dictatorship.

    Buttrose may be a woman but she worked for Murdoch and Packer. She has plenty of experience of telling lies.

    This is a 5 year position. Is there a guarantee that she will be alive tomorrow let along the next 5 years. The NLP find the ABC a threat for its honest news and want to get rid of it hence the cutbacks in funding. Just like how they want to get rid of Medicare and all Social Security. Wake up Australia! In the meantime there are so many ships surrounding our coastline sending coal and other mineral resources to China every day.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    1:08pm
    SRF...Does that make it right because Buttrose is a woman? The NLP don't have a good reputation dealing with women in the first place and are painting the kettle black.

    I can't believe that so many in the pole think this is a right decision. Next we will have Murdoch running the ABC. Let the ABC choose the right person for the job. The board knows what it needs. That's why it has been so successful.

    SlowMo and his side kick puppets are cunning rats but not intelligent that is why the country is being sold off under everyone's nose. Buttrose will stop the ABC from exposing their corruption.
    GeorgeM
    1st Mar 2019
    1:20pm
    I disagree, ABC does have a slight left-wing bias, which is more pronounced on some shows than others. You also have to note that no one in ABC ever dares to present a view which opposes any left-wing views - that itself tells the story about their bias. Also, there is a clear Feminist bias as well.
    The Captain's pick by Morrison is unfortunate, as he has overridden the more qualified people (so happens all were men, so what!), and given the job to a less qualified person who was not on the short-list - it should be called Discrimination! Yet another attack against men, just so Morrison can get some female votes. Must not happen! All must remember how the Liberals have attacked Retirees - women included, and make them pay for it at the election. (Not advocating Labor, as they will take their turn, as the other part of the same Tag Team, to attack Retirees - hence must vote against them too.)

    On the other hand, ABC is not as extreme to the left as the right-wing channels such as Sky News, other News Ltd outlets, are to the right. But then, they are private media who can say what they like (you don't have to believe them or listen to them) as they have their Business interests and rich sponsors' interests, whereas ABC is taxpayer funded, and MUST reflect ALL people's views - which they clearly do not. Even in Q&A, where they invite some right-wingers (always a minority in the panel), those people are usually either shouted down or even cut short in their responses by the host, Tony Jones.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:29pm
    Read this George:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    The chart says it all. You'll see who has the bias!
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    2:47pm
    Hmmmm - I wouldn't call 'feminism' left wing by any stretch of the imagination - it's a very narrow ideology determined to attain absolute control over society and all in it..... and thus is more right wing than left...
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    2:52pm
    Meanwhile I agree that the ABC is far too prominent in hiring sheilas as frontspersons for its views - some of them are good, some great - others are true bricks.....

    ALL mainstream media (is propaganda according to gore Vidal) spends far too much time and effort lauding every little achievement of girls/women and ignoring the often monumental achievements of men/boys... then on top of that they load us up continually with nonsnse like 'women CEOs will have to wait 80 years for equity' - as if anyone in Realityworld gives a damn about overpaid CEOs and other insanities.... in between making ends meet.

    While ten sheilas are on and on about not copping the same cash on contract way over award as some men in the same contracted work - countless REAL women out there are struggling... and being fed this 'hate men for it' insanity.... and swallowing it and then causing dire problems for not only men, but for men's children and then women themselves as well.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    3:28pm
    Reddit is a site well known for members who post porn, superficial Hollywood gossip fake news and some extreme left wing and Anqrchist views.
    Hardly a serious site .
    You really must be desperate Mick
    Sceptic
    1st Mar 2019
    3:32pm
    ABC = taxpayer funded (has a charter to carry out its functions)
    Other stations = privately owned (can do anything they like as they are independent of public funds)

    The question when considering any bias of the ABC, is, - Is it fulfilling its charter?
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    4:44pm
    I'd say it's doing very well considering its budget cuts from the LNP pirate's committee...
    GeorgeM
    1st Mar 2019
    10:01pm
    MICK, I don't need to be guided by Reddit to decide whether the ABC is biased or not, that's fairly common sense & obvious once you listen to the views expressed / commentary by most ABC presenters - although their basic News itself is fairly straight & factual, as News is supposed to be. Reddit must be getting their inputs from a biased sample, or else asking the wrong questions, e.g. by focusing on only "News" they can claim it to be balanced.

    Trebor, I never equated ABC bias with Feminism, I suggested these are 2 separate issues. Also, I thought I made it clear that I think Morrison is using this opportunity to pander to the Feminists in ABC as well as the general public to buy women's votes.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:04pm
    So the website is objectionable because you cannot confront the truth? How strange.
    Pink batts and school halls now?
    The facts are the facts and the website is legit. Just inconvenient for trolls.
    Karl Marx
    2nd Mar 2019
    3:45am
    Don't listen to the fake Lothario the ABC is unbiased on reports news that is not controlled by corrupt nedia like news corp
    rtrish
    2nd Mar 2019
    5:35pm
    Good to see it's Ita, but weird she was not one of the people selected by the panel, also that it's another captain's pick. And no women on the list. What the? I don't think the ABC is biased. However in the last year or so, I felt there was not enough quality entertainment, whether Australian, British or from elsewhere. For that, I had to go to other channels. I am a news nut and big fan of Insiders, but felt the ABS overdid news and current affairs. E.g. the Drum became too long.
    Misty
    2nd Mar 2019
    9:28pm
    What rot TREBOR, I usually agree with most of your comments but not this one, females wanting to take over evrything, nonsense, I have noticed a thread running thorough the comments you post on all topics, you seem to have a distinct dislike of women, I did ask you about this once before, but so long ago I cannot remember what the answer was.
    Anonymous
    2nd Mar 2019
    10:05pm
    Thebore has a dislike for women , Asians, Moslems , Jews,gays and a host of others .
    He has a nasty streak , I’m surprised more people haven’t noticed and he hasn’t been banned for all his disgusting comments
    Hoohoo
    4th Mar 2019
    5:45pm
    I don't care if Ita is a lefty or a righty, because she's a consummate professional with a whole lot of integrity & experience. This job requires honesty, high intelligence, integrity, experience, independence from the old boys' club & business affiliations, something in very short supply by the looks of the state of the church, the banks & even the govt. My brother-in-law used to be the Chairman of the ABC Board. He has all these qualities.

    Ita's also a very tough businesswoman who won't be pushed around by anyone, including the Government of the day, unlike the former Chair. He sacked staff because the govt. didn't like certain Reporters & their line of questioning. Now that's bias!

    I wouldn't watch TV at all if they sold the ABC, SBS & NITV to private interests. Private interests can't be trusted because they are truly biased, selling "news" to the highest bidder. I can't bear those horrible stories on the commercial channels, asking some distraught parent who has just tragically lost their child "How do you feel?" I'm surprised they don't get punched in the face for such insensitivity. Ahh, but the almighty rating$!!! And then there's the Barnaby Tells All" cheque book "jounalism". What trash! I know, some people lap it up like mother's milk.

    Trust is such an important trait for the ABC Chair to exhibit. Ita has my trust until she proves otherwise. I wish her luck. The only "saving" the ABC needs is for the govt to continue adequate funding, SO THEN THE ABC STAYS UNBIASED. We get to hear both sides of the story (like the panels on QandA). And we get to enjoy decent Australian drama, with Australian faces, landscapes & stories, spoken in proper Aussie tones - not the soap opera titillation on the commercial channels.

    1st Mar 2019
    10:21am
    The only thing that can save the ABC, is it becoming more objective and fair in its reporting and move away from its leftist socialist bias

    Don't see that happening - the place is infested . Only way to clean it up is to call in the exterminators, strip it down to a lean low cost media channel and flog it off to the highest bidder
    Will save the taxpayer $2Billion a year and the proceeds of the sale could pay down labor debt
    Janus
    1st Mar 2019
    10:34am
    The mask is wrong: you only need one eye hole. It seems that anything to the left of your view is too left. I suggest you read some European history, 1920-1950, and then think again.

    Such a simplistic view. The ABC is (by Act of Parliament) indiependant and publically funded. The arguments in its favour are too numerous to list here, but you could do some proper research.

    Having a politically selected right-wing parachuted chairperson is very undemocratic, and typical of this government.

    And no, I am not a Labor supporter, nor a Green. I just think about things with as open a mind as I can.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:35am
    Objective? Like your comments?

    If you're worried about the cost of democracy, you aren't, then call for the abolition of the Turnbull tax cuts for the already rich. Can't do that can we.
    Brissiegirl
    1st Mar 2019
    10:50am
    Yes - infestation is an excellent descriptor.

    It took a very long time for the Russians to change Pravda from a communist promoting rag into an agency that reports objectively.

    The ABC - Australia's communist version of Pravda.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    11:24am
    Truly the delusion is strong in some today.....
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    1:58pm
    Lothario...Are you that stupid or just a shit stirring troll? It's the ABC's unbiased reporting that has threatened the NLP.

    The unbiased reports corporate corruption, banks, off shore detentions centres, kickbacks from the rich, water mismanagement, useless deals with Adani and etc. The list goes on and on with this corrupt useless Government.

    They were hoping the cutbacks which they promised would not be done would ruin the ABC but the cutbacks failed.

    That's why Murdoch and Packer worshipping old, Buttrose was appointed by the NLP to finish off the job for them. Studio 10 is such a crap Murdoch show, hosted by rich and very out of touch women for rich and out of touch adults. The latest is Kerri-Anne Kennerley, the self proclaimed authority on our indigenous Australians.

    These rich, pampered and very plastic women are B grade celebrities and nothing else.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    4:50pm
    "I'll lock in......... A. Eddy... Yes, lock it in:- "He's stupid"....

    "You're sure? For a millyun dullahs - well, it's not MY money.. but you sure you want A? I mean, you could choose:- He's stupid, he's a troll, he's stupid AND a troll, or he's just plain paid for comment.... and you want A? I'll give you another chance.... before we finalise that millyun dullahs..."

    "Ummm.. all right.. on second thought...... lock in C. He's stupid AND a troll ... my final answer, Eddy. Lock it in! Lock in C!"

    "All right then - it's locked in" .... **raises eyebrows** ... "and the answer is............ coming right after this break for our sponsor..."

    (you bastard, Eddy...)
    Karl Marx
    2nd Mar 2019
    3:47am
    You're full of crap as usual oh fake one. Go take your medication you one eyed git
    TREBOR
    2nd Mar 2019
    9:49am
    Feeling the ropes on your back, are you? Now - about that fake account - you owe me an apology for your accusation.....
    almost a grey hair
    1st Mar 2019
    10:22am
    Seems to me the selection panel may have consisted of 1 person, Morrison "thats why I asked her to take on this role". The sheer arrogance of this man astounds me on a daily basis.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    10:24am
    As opposed to the sheer stupidity and deviousness of Shorten
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:38am
    Of course the real worry is the agenda almost a grey hair.
    Is this a political appointment with instructions as to what to do or is this a genuine appointment? I suspect I know the answer to that question but will wait and see.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    11:24am
    Shorten had no say here, Loathie - try to keep up....
    Infinityoz
    1st Mar 2019
    12:23pm
    For no apparent reason, I cannot post my comment. Trying as a reply in the hope it will get posted this time.
    I suspect the reason ScoMo wanted her was that she was once editor of the Daily Telegraph, the so-called newspaper owned by his pal Murdoch. He may well be in for a surprise though, Ita is not going to bow to his silly rightist views, she's an independent, feisty lady who makes her own decisions. Go Ita, I say, and good luck with it!!
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:35pm
    Interesting. Where there's smoke there's fire. I smell a Murdoch in the background and a government doing what it is told.
    GeorgeM
    1st Mar 2019
    1:23pm
    I have to agree, this is sheer arrogance by Morrison to ignore the selection panel and select someone else who is less qualified - just because she is a popular woman. The agenda? Meant to please the Feminists, and get women's votes! Must NOT happen.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    2:11pm
    Lothario....TROLL...Shorten never appointed Buttrose.

    He got the Royal Commission into banks and exposed their corruption and treachery.

    The entire LNP voted against a Royal Commission into the banks at least several times.

    That is the evidence of SlowMo's and bandits' stupidity and corruption.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:32pm
    26 times jackie...and if Labor had not kept up the attack the banking corruption would have again been swept under the LNP carpet and we'd be still being robbed.
    Poor Lothario doesn't have a corner to hide in. The truth is pretty confronting.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:27pm
    GeorgeM...Yes it's sheer arrogance by Morrson to ignore the selection panel...just like it's sheer arrogance for John Howard and Tony Abbot to ignore a the law with regard to their pedophile hero, Pell.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:31pm
    MICK...That's correct. Lothario behaves like a Liberal politician. It wouldn't surprise me he is one.
    MITZY
    1st Mar 2019
    4:28pm
    The final candidates chosen by the Independent Panel for presentation to the government to chose from have for quite some time not been chosen by the PM of the government in office. This way of choosing was set by law by a past Labor Government. So, if the PM doesn't like the choices he can make his own choice, i.e. Ita Buttrose.
    If a Labor government was in power the reverse would apply.
    She is well qualified, respected, gets on well with people, if she has managed to work with Sir Frank Packer (who was known to be more of a tyrant than Kerry Packer) for many years and run her own businesses too, that speaks highly of her.
    Whether she is going to be Independent from Government interference we will know once she is in full swing. In her press conference she mentioned that her Father worked at the ABC for many years and she has "loved" it since she was a child. So, we will just have to wait and see. As a person she has presented herself throughout her various careers with dignity and respect. I hope this continues.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    4:52pm
    ..and if she's an LNP bumgirl we can't get rid of her for five years... what about a maximum of two years?
    GeorgeM
    1st Mar 2019
    10:06pm
    jackie, John Howard & Tony Abbott have nothing to do with this decision by Morrison - check your focus on the topic!
    GeorgeM
    1st Mar 2019
    10:12pm
    Talking about arrogant people (if you want to go away from the topic) - how about Paul Keating (the worst), Chris Bowen (most recently stated "Don't vote for us"), etc, etc.
    KSS
    2nd Mar 2019
    12:16pm
    Trebor you frequently insult other contributors and others with your often graphic and highly abusive comments. However, this one at 4.52pm is disgusting even for you. Ms Buttrose has no right of reply as you well know, given she is highly unlikely to read this column. You should be ashamed.
    Anonymous
    2nd Mar 2019
    12:41pm
    Theboor often resorts to insulting women, racial slurs and misogynistic comments .
    Disgusting bigot
    Hoohoo
    4th Mar 2019
    6:38pm
    I am very wary of Captain's picks such as this, but I think Morrison has just lucked on finding Ita for the role. Her views are generally moderate-progressive, so The PM can't really be accused of parachuting in a right wing mole (please excuse the term).

    I dislike Morrison as much as the next person but I think it's rash to assume he ignored the selection panel. We don't know. Maybe he thought the selection panel hadn't nominated anyone suitable? No women? Maybe he thought they were all too left wing? Maybe they were? (but I doubt it). So he inquired elsewhere & lucked upon Ita Buttrose, one of the most popular people in Australia who just happens to have very high credentials. Morrison can't believe his luck! And, she's a woman, so now he can say the Libs don't have a problem promoting women. But he's lucked out on that issue now that Julie Bishop has given them a serve. With Julie they had the chance to put their money where their mouth was, but it seems the LNP can only consider males for the top job, even if it means they lose government because of it. Don't they realise that women have the vote now? Bishop was much more popular than Morrison and Dutton, according to all the polls. But the sitting PM, Malcolm Turnbull, was more popular than any of them. Why did they sack him?

    Perhaps the LNP thinks they'll still win, knowing they can rely on the Murdoch Press to give them a big leg up to frighten people against Labor, (as per usual), & the official election campaign hasn't even started yet! They can't call an election until they've cleared their own decks of Ministers fleeing like stampeding rats, with replacements/pre-selections ready to go. Oh how they jostle! What fun! Dutton's on the make for a safer seat. He'll need it!
    Snowflake
    1st Mar 2019
    10:42am
    Seems like a good choice to me. She has a lot of experinece in the media and I don't think anyone will be able to influence her. I thought I heard that a panel was put together to come up with candidates and the cost was $150,000. Are they kidding, what a typical waste of tax payers money. Where is the accountability with these deadbeat politicians.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    2:02pm
    Snowflake...What's great about a b-grade plastic celebrity running the ABC? Nothing.

    SlowMo will be paying her a lot more than $150,000. The NLP specialise in giving away tax payer money to their friends and relatives. They have been doing it all along. Open your eyes Snowflake.
    Misty
    2nd Mar 2019
    9:59pm
    Yes Jackie he just gave one of the LNP friends a plum job in NZ.
    Brissiegirl
    1st Mar 2019
    10:44am
    "Life will go on as usual" well there's a quick smack in the face to dissatisfied taxpayers who fund this media branch office of Labor/Greens. The ABC needs a good clean-out from the top down with all positions thrown open, inviting fresh new applicants, including new presenters from the conservative side of politics so there is some modicum of balance. Ita is a nice woman but her initial comments that she won't hesitate to ask for more funding and that most Australians do not believe the ABC is biased is nonsense.

    There has never been an all-encompassing survey of the wider community about ABC bias. I also think they should have chosen a more youthful person. I guess the current "gender balance" racket had something to do with this appointment. With "gender balance" in the workplace there's one unfortunate risk with the the results of choosing females over the best person for the job regularly being seen these days: the person chosen is not always the best applicant e.g. the former General Manager.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:58am
    So what would you cut out? The 7:30 Report which goes after both sides? Four Corners which airs mostly big business corruption? Any panel discussions which mostly also air both sides?
    The issue I have with your comment is that it makes a broad statement but does not discuss WHAT the ABC is doing. I contend the political coverage, which is your issue, is fair. Of course the right is used to one sided reporting and the promotion of its party. This is what the right cannot accept: bare all reporting to expose ALL of the criminals.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    11:27am
    Indeed, the ABC lads and lassies hammered Queen Julia when she was the head honcho of Labor Inc.... and quite a few other Labor people.

    They'll do the same when Labor takes the helm again ......

    No bias whatsoever - just honest reporting.

    Hmm - very interesting - the former GM was a Lib pick as well and was supposed to substantially alter the approach of the ABC... just another loser handed a plum job for political reasons... and failing as usual....
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    11:44am
    Agreed Brissiegirl
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    11:53am
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/audits-exonerate-abc-over-bias-claims/news-story/3ad4ba13a0751a74c2b417c13dcb52d6
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:37pm
    Isn't it strange TREBOR that the trolls have nothing of substance to come back with when served up the facts and the truth.
    God help us, they'll shortly be back onto 'pink batts and school halls'.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    2:25pm
    Brissiegirl...The LNP and Pauline Hanson can't handle it each time an ABC reporter has made them look plain stupid with their unbiased questions.

    The ABC could do a better job at governing this country than the useless fools we have. I have a low personal opinion of adults that are pedophile enablers too.
    Misty
    3rd Mar 2019
    12:21am
    Just because the ABC shows the good and bad of both sides of politics, does not mean they are biased Brissiegirl, you are the one who is biased, it comes over loud and clear in your posts on YLC'S. Please check out the websites Mick posted above for the true story.
    Hoohoo
    4th Mar 2019
    7:20pm
    Brissiegirl you've been watching too much Sky "News", so hearing another view that's left of Turnbull sounds like Commie Marxist propaganda. Come to think of it, wasn't Turnbull a progressive (come Commie Marxist), that's why he had to go? You need to get out more. Fascism will grind you down & make you joyless.

    After all the kerfuffle about avoiding quotas in the Liberal Party, do you really think the PM would appoint anyone on anything other than merit?
    Are you suggesting that Buttrose should consider herself a lucky little girl to be given such a big boy's job? Should she be embarrassed to know she only got the job so the PM will look better in women's eyes, not on her own merit?

    Thank heavens for the ABC, the only media source not beholden to big business interests.
    Chrissy L
    1st Mar 2019
    10:46am
    I have great admiration for Ita Buttrose in a professional sense, she has achieved a great deal in the media and is an Australian Icon and I think she will do a good job. I do however have a problem with the government spending a huge amount of money on a wasted H.R. exercise only to give a "Captains Pick" to Ita. Fairness and transparency are important in any appointment especially this close to an election. I am also concerned at giving a 5 year contract to someone at the age of 77years. If our Judges have to retire at 70 what is different for this appointment?
    almost a grey hair
    1st Mar 2019
    10:57am
    I hadn't even considered her age, she certainly is well accomplished, Its just the way Morrison operates, he has saved face by appointing a woman even if its not his job to act as selection panel. Anyway she can simply polish the seat for 5 yrs then collect a motza, she won't have to worry about the OAP will she eh
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    11:00am
    My exact question Chrissy. WHY do you put somebody as old as Buttrose into this job? What's the catch?
    The answer to that is in the selection process. Obvious dear Watson?
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    11:35am
    I'm not altogether persuaded on the long contract - such things, when dealing with one-sided politics, means that any incoming government of the 'opposite stamp' will have to play out a huge sum to get rid of a poor appointment or a poor work contract signed, sealed and delivered with huge payout clauses.

    Look at privatisation under the LNP - virtually impossible to foreclose and reverse such horrendous decisions without forking out billions and billions for work that will not be done... in other words this is setting in concrete the deplorable move that has cost the public so much and will continue to cost the public so much more than public ... Grand Theft Government and such contracts should be determined by a court to be illegal...

    Nobody 'sells' a business and then guarantees the new 'buyers' for life of endless income, leaving the only solution to poor government decisions a popular uprising and resumption without compensation.

    How very 'liberal' of the LNP.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    1:06pm
    Geez TREBOR they're gone. Do you think they had no answer to the 'media bias' chart I provided? Surely a few 'pink batts and school halls' could have been rolled out.
    They'll be back.......... Maybe after a taxpayer paid for lunch. We'll see.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    2:55pm
    Easy victory there, Mick.... occasionally reality actually gets through their blatant bias and trolling (of some cases)... though it is normal not to attempt to refute facts and public figures etc - just to keep on doing a Goebbels and repeating the same line over and over.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:05pm
    But the cash for comment rolls CANNOT avoid the facts try as they will.
    80 plus
    1st Mar 2019
    10:53am
    typical rabid right wing comment from Lothero, if you cannot beat the A.B.C, SELL IT, and then sell the S.B.S, OR reduce the operating budgets to emasculate them. The media barons who control over 70% of the print would love control and then shut them down, I was in the Pacific when the L.N.P. SOLD the overseas A.B.C. Operation to Channel Seven who scrapped the news/current affairs segments and replaced them with old episodes of "Home and Away", of course the number of viewers collapsed and the service shut down.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    11:02am
    Good post. Your recollection is going to be exactly what this government has in stall: turn the country into a dictatorship by never having any honest political reporting to give the other side a voice. That's not in anybody's interests other than the wealthy who will be the big winners.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:34pm
    80 plus and MICK..I agree. Murdoch's puppets are making his agenda transparent.
    Sundays
    1st Mar 2019
    10:57am
    I don’t know if Ita was the best choice because I don’t know who the other candidates were. I have a problem with Captains picks, and the abuse of power. At the very least she should have gone through the same process as the others.

    However, Ita is well respected and certainly has the journalistic credentials for the job. She was renown for her toughness as well as fairness. Sadly, she may quickly become disillusioned with the bureaucracy.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    11:04am
    Abuse of power is an apt description but none of us will know until the decisions start to flow.
    I suspect Ita's interview last night gave the game away. She said she needed to fix what was wrong at the ABC. The reality is the ABC is working fine and the only thing that is "wrong" is this government cannot hide its dirt and corruption, something the commercial media would do on most occasions if there were no other media outlets to hold it to account.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    11:13am
    Give it a rest Mick
    Only a deaf and blind person or a dishonest one would not admit that the ABC is blatantly biased towards the left
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    11:13am
    Give it a rest Mick
    Only a deaf and blind person or a dishonest one would not admit that the ABC is blatantly biased towards the left
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    11:44am
    I've noticed a serious bias to the right under the control of the last 'manager'.......

    "TWO independent audits into the ABC’s coverage of the federal election campaign and the asylum seeker issue have concluded it was impartial and its news coverage of asylum seekers was of a high standard."

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/audits-exonerate-abc-over-bias-claims/news-story/3ad4ba13a0751a74c2b417c13dcb52d6
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:38pm
    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    Now what were you saying about a blind or a dishonest person Lothario. Please respond to the FACTS on the above web page. No comment?????
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    2:46pm
    Sundays...Have a look at Ita's experience.

    Her last position at Studio 10 was as a host for a celebrity panel of self appointed experts sharing their views on things they can't relate to.

    Cleo magazine was all about sex, for women aged 20 - 40.

    The Australian Women's Weekly full of celebrity gossip and light hearted banter about recipes for luncheons for women to host.

    If commercial media no longer wants Ita why should the ABC have her dumped on them. They were doing very well without her. The last ABC chairwoman was a Liberal and did a bad job too.
    Sundays
    1st Mar 2019
    6:58pm
    Jackie, I have to disagree with you. I read both those magazines and at that time they published articles that were not always light hearted and tackled topics ignored by other magazines. The Womens Weekly Is not to be confused with Woman’s Day. In any case readership soared. You forgot her being editor of the Daily and Sunday Telegraph where she was the first female editor and the work she did for Aids as chairperson of Nacaids. I haven’t heard that staff at the ABC are unhappy with her appointment. The decider will be if she goes in to bat for them
    Misty
    2nd Mar 2019
    10:04pm
    Can't handle the truth Lothario so you just resort to insults.
    Hoohoo
    4th Mar 2019
    7:48pm
    MICK I think you might be reading too much into Ita saying she'll "fix the ABC". I presumed she meant she'll sort out the problems between the Chair & the GM. They have to get on well together for both of them to do a good job. As you say, we'll see. I hope you're wrong on this.

    She doesn't strike me as the kind of person to be anyone's puppet. She seems fairly progressive in most of her opinions & she also strikes me as someone with a very high level of integrity. I think she'll be really good & she may even call out the right-wingers about their bias against the ABC (but of course then she'll be labelled as a Marxist! Another bloody lefty at the ABC helm!)
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    11:20am
    I've met Ita and sh eis a nice lady. Not entirely sure that women's magazines are the good oil for running the ABC.. but hey - how hard can it be?

    I don't think she is likely to obey orders from Head Office LNP or anything.... not a hard enough Liberal.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    1:25pm
    TREBOR..She is obeying orders from the Head Office LNP by taking up a position she knows she is incapable of doing but the money is too good to resist.

    She has been out of work for years and things have changed so from back then when she worked for Murdoch and Packer.

    Can she guarantee she will be around for the next 5 years let alone tomorrow. She is definitely too old for the position and should never had let greed get the better of this wealthy Liberal lady.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    2:57pm
    Good points jackie - I didn't start by considering her age etc and lack of currency in the business... next door neighbour has taken a job as a TAFE teacher, and needs hands-on experience every two years to remain current... same should apply... but of course not to politicians who are an inexperienced and unqualified rabble in the main...
    Misty
    2nd Mar 2019
    10:07pm
    Too old for the job Jackie?, that depends a lot on the person, their health, state of mind, experience etc, as to wether Ita can handle the job, well that remains to be seen.
    Hoohoo
    4th Mar 2019
    8:01pm
    jackie I don't think Ita's hard up for a job or money. She's been extremely successful over her career. Don't underestimate her. She took the job because she wants the job.

    I think it's great that someone from the gutter press will be Chair of the ABC. Ita has such a broad life experience - it will be refreshing to have someone with such media & business smarts in the Chair, especially if she secures the funding the ABC has lost since the Libs came to office (despite Tony Abbott saying on the eve of his election "There'll be no cuts to the ABC or SBS", among other last minute election lies about health, education, etc.).
    haveachat
    1st Mar 2019
    11:21am
    Have watched ABC for over 65yrs as the TV to watch and to get fair and objective views, however, over this decade the ABC has just turned into a vehicle for its leftist socialist bias group, which has overtaken the ABC of being a fair and objective in its reporting. The program "Media Watch" a 15 minute program is one of the most costly to run, has 16 staff and such a leftist presenter - such a great waste of money! "Q & A" another totally bias

    program with stacked audiences. Due to this, there are so many of their ABC watchers turn off and turn to on turn onto the SBS. So Ida Buttrose may be a very welcome with her media experience to make ABC more objective.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    11:46am
    **snores** 'leftist socialist bias' ..

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/audits-exonerate-abc-over-bias-claims/news-story/3ad4ba13a0751a74c2b417c13dcb52d6
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:41pm
    Look at this haveachat:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    You'll where the bias is and NOT from the ABC.
    You cannot call ACCURATE and HONEST reporting which holds both sides of politics to account "biased". This is an apt description of the right wing media which attacks Labor (watched 7 News in the past 2 nights?) and chooses to ignore campaigns against the right. This is the reality.

    As I said above check out the link. All will be revealed!
    Misty
    2nd Mar 2019
    10:10pm
    Coalition viewers probably turn thr ABC off because they don't like hearing the truth about what goes on in our political world.
    Rocky
    1st Mar 2019
    11:21am
    I agree with you Mick I didn't think the ABC needed fixing and I hope they don't combine it with the SBS
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:42pm
    Thanks Rocky. Appreciated.
    CountryCatkin
    1st Mar 2019
    1:24pm
    What a mob of whingers we are becoming!
    Can't please anyone at any time. Let's rejoice in the fact that we are free to grizzle, denigrate cut down the poppies and be intolerant of anything that doesn't suit us personally. Then we'll be happy.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:35pm
    But acknowledge the point that this government has been trying to install its dictatorship for the last 6 years. Killing the ABC was one of the pieces in the puzzle and you should be happy they have so far not succeeded.
    I'm glad you value freedom. So do I. Lets keep up the pressure on the bastards to stop the bad stuff before we are trapped.
    Redfox
    1st Mar 2019
    11:24am
    The only problem for (not "with") the ABC is that it is chronically under funded.
    It is the mirror we hold up to ourselves and Ita is a great choice to lead it back to its rightful place. I don't think she was talking about fixing the ABC but about fixing the management of it.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:43pm
    Ahhhh..... And there's the hand of the current government at work. Cut funding twice since coming to office but wants to flog off the ABC. My bet is that if successful the Murdoch empire would own it and turn it into another right wing propaganda outlet.
    None of us want that!
    80 plus
    1st Mar 2019
    11:25am
    Would Lothario and those who accuse the A.B.C. of left wing bias concede that the SOME commercial channels are right wing biased? if so then surely we need a balance of both views, selling/ shutting down the A.B.C. would remove that choice, and please do not repeat the News corp claim that the A.B.C . Is funded in part by the tax they pay, When News Corp have not payed any tax in the last three years. it seems we the tax payers are funding the A.B.C. AND News corp.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:44pm
    Yeah. Check out the link 80 plus:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    Says it all!
    gerry
    1st Mar 2019
    11:25am
    The Drum is full of whinging 22 yr old lookalikes who think the Labor party will get financial help from the fairies,shoulnt have even been in university...
    Stopped watching Insiders long time ago
    So many repeats ,why not bring back old UK documentaries and sell them ours
    We could always sell our enemies Q@A ,you know the program that sends out vans recruiting anarchists


    PS.I hate BOLT
    gerry
    1st Mar 2019
    11:25am
    The Drum is full of whinging 22 yr old lookalikes who think the Labor party will get financial help from the fairies,shoulnt have even been in university...
    Stopped watching Insiders long time ago
    So many repeats ,why not bring back old UK documentaries and sell them ours
    We could always sell our enemies Q@A ,you know the program that sends out vans recruiting anarchists


    PS.I hate BOLT
    Misty
    3rd Mar 2019
    12:26am
    What has BOLT got to do with the ABC,?, nix, nader, nothing.
    cupoftea
    1st Mar 2019
    11:26am
    scomo does not appoint anyone unless it is beneficial to him and she used to work for Murdoch need I say anymore
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:45pm
    Great observation. The very fact that the process was a government Captain's Call paints the picture.
    You are spot on.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    1:30pm
    cupoftea....SlowMo...is a dictator...The ABC, GetUP, Facebook, Unions and any source of media that exposes the NLP corruption and puppeteering are a threat.

    They are so powerful now they can openly support their pedophile friends.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:36pm
    I am impressed jackie.
    Clearly people are slowly waking up to the facts rather than the mainstream media promotions of this bad bad lot.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    7:24pm
    SloMo is not the only one who imagines self as dictator of all he/she surveys - many who enter politics suddenly assume the mantle of Emperor/Empress and feel the right to dictate sitting lightly on their shoulders... who can forget the unforgettable Labor sheila who , upon election, said to business that they'd have 50% women at the top or be legislated....

    Now wait for Labor this time around and some of the silliness they come up with... **rolls eyes**
    cupoftea
    1st Mar 2019
    11:26am
    scomo does not appoint anyone unless it is beneficial to him and she used to work for Murdoch need I say anymore
    Redfox
    1st Mar 2019
    11:55am
    Well, you might mention that Ita also worked for Fairfax.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:47pm
    Fair comment Redfox but what about Buttrose's comment on the news last night saying she was going to fix the problems at the ABC. There are no problems at the ABC other than repeated attempts to stop it broadcasting the truth about crooked business and government.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    2:52pm
    cupoftea...The Dictator had not right to appoint her. He must have so much to hide and is very desperate to stoop so low.
    outlander
    1st Mar 2019
    11:38am
    Go ITA ! good choice.. Is the ABC broken?' or is it just the commercial broadcasters trying to tear it down. Fox news seem to be anti ABC on everything.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:37pm
    And still the commercial media never attack their own. I wonder why.
    BigAl
    1st Mar 2019
    11:41am
    The ABC is so biased appealing to the left wing lunies. Needs a good clean out. As well as Ita it needs a new right wing CEO to replace Guthrie. The ABC should terminate Tony Jones, Barry Cassidy, Fran Kelly etc. Like to see more right wing commentators to balance up programs. Good luck Ita. Think it will have a tough job.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    11:42am
    Hear hear BigAl
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    11:48am
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/audits-exonerate-abc-over-bias-claims/news-story/3ad4ba13a0751a74c2b417c13dcb52d6
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:49pm
    Here's the next troll. Read this big Al:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    There's the answer to the lie you just tried to pass off as comment mate.
    The truth is your employer wants to silence the truth about right wing governments from coming out. Welcome to the dictatorship you seek.
    haveachat
    1st Mar 2019
    12:57pm
    Yes, Yes, Yes, Big Al, totally agree with you, that's what ABC needs a balanced broadcaster. Good luck Ita it will be a big job, but you can do it!
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:38pm
    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    A balanced broadcaster?

    The link says it all!
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    2:54pm
    BigAl...In other words you want the corrupt Liberal party to take over the ABC.
    KSS
    2nd Mar 2019
    12:25pm
    BigAl, Tony Jones is already on his way. He is off to Hong Kong as his wife got a job there.
    Misty
    3rd Mar 2019
    12:29am
    Sorry Mick it is like flogging a dead horse, trying to get any of the Right Wing posters to check out your website, maybe they are afraid of being proved wrong.
    Crowcrag
    1st Mar 2019
    11:42am
    I love all the ‘lefty hotbed’ comments. Do these frightened people not accept that views other than those purveyed on the bubblegum networks should be presented? And considered? Otherwise, how would you ever learn anything? Or - do not watch the ABC if it scares you too much. ‘Married at first kitchen rules dancing with hyperbolically titled stars’ awaits you!
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:49pm
    Read this:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    Then tell me about "scared".
    BERRYUPSET
    1st Mar 2019
    11:44am
    Good luck to her!GAWD she was wasted with those `morons` on 10`s....
    STUDIO 10 PROG!
    We`ll see what she comes up with!
    Oldie84
    1st Mar 2019
    11:45am
    I have listened to the ABC for over 65 years. Were I lived it was the only station until the mid 80th. 90% of my viewing time is the ABC but I have become increasingly frustrated with their one-sided panel, shows et al. The balance has been lost a long time ago and desperately needs to be brought back. And no, I don't watch Netflix or Skynews or anything else. I wish Ita all success. The ABC needs it.
    Brissiegirl
    1st Mar 2019
    12:39pm
    I was a regular ABC viewer until about 10 years ago when I began to feel the station was in subtle brainwashing mode. Since then the brainwashing and bias is overt, daily and downright ugly.

    With so many people complaining about the ABC's lunatic left bias, there must be something in it. Where there's smoke there's fire.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:50pm
    Brainwashing? Look at this link and then discuss WHO is brainwashing the public. Not the ABC:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    12:58pm
    " I began to feel the station was in subtle brainwashing mode"

    You left yourself wide open there...... *coughs* there's help available for those kinds of feelings.... the ones not based on facts ...
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    4:16pm
    Brissiegirl...One Nation switches on and off more than a shower. They run in the direction where ever the dollar is. I remember Hanson wanting the ABC closed down because she made herself look stupid but blames the ABC for it.

    Please don't blame the stupidity of Hanson on the ABC. Accept it she will never look clever no matter how street wise she is.
    Misty
    3rd Mar 2019
    12:34am
    Sorry Mick, as I said above, those complaining about "Lefitie Bias" on the ABC, are afraid to check out the link you provided, they are afraid of being proven wrong.
    Aviator
    4th Mar 2019
    1:47am
    The ABC is biased to the right. Hopefully Ita will sort them out.
    pedro the swift
    1st Mar 2019
    11:51am
    Not sure if its a good thing or not. Will wait and see. Is the PM playing the "Game of Mates" again?
    As far as the ABC goes, i would like to see a big change in the morning news programme. Stop trying to emulate the talking blabbermouths of the commercial morning talkfests and give us some real news. In a 30 min programme its about 5mins of news and the rest is either sport or gibberish.
    I prefer to watch the SBS for my evening news, at least the is only one presenter and they have world news.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:51pm
    I watch both including 7 News to keep up with their level of right wing bias.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    12:59pm
    Game of Clones?
    grahami2006
    1st Mar 2019
    11:53am
    I believe Ita will do the right thing however she needs to lose her mantra that the ABC is not biased.
    For example look at Barrie Cassidy for one and Q and A for another.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:53pm
    Q & A biased? I never knew asking questions and discussing policies was "biased". You might like to add Labor has copped its fair share of heat....something one never hears from those who claim bias.
    Check out the chart if you want to see where the real media bias sits:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    3:01pm
    I note that Q & A bend over backwards to have a reasonably balanced audience between 'left' and 'right' and 'undecided' etc... and that their panels are also composed of advocates from both 'sides' of politics plus a few others with independent views ...

    Everyone gets their chance at answering.... hardly 'biased' .....
    Misty
    3rd Mar 2019
    12:40am
    TREBOR the "Righties" posting here do not want to know the true fact as that will burst their little bubble, the no of L and R supporters in the audience is always disclosed at the beginning of the show, usually 50-50 as are the people on the panel.
    wabbo
    1st Mar 2019
    11:56am
    TOP CHOICE. She is the right person at the right time and an EXCELLELECT captains call by the PM. That is Leadership. I love it when the Public service cannot work things out (most of the time) and a leader we elected (one way or another) steps in and sets it right.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    1:00pm
    Der Fuhrer has schpoken!!
    tj
    1st Mar 2019
    12:10pm
    Not to worry ,if Ita does ensure that the ABC does in fact get programs like insiders and Q@A to be more balanced and fair in their views and certain people don't like what they see and hear they can always console each other with most of the posters on this very factual and reliable forum
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:56pm
    That depends on what you consider to be balance. Never addressing the controversial policies or corruption concerns within LNP governments and routinely making accusations against Labor MPs? This is what 7 News has been up to. State NSW Labor leaders, the one gone AND the current one, have had the allegations flying at them only weeks out from a state election. Is that what you want from the ABC as well????
    Misty
    3rd Mar 2019
    12:42am
    If all those complaining here don't like what they see on the ABC , easy solution, CHANGE THE CHANEL.
    Ted Wards
    1st Mar 2019
    12:11pm
    So in its 85 year history Ita is only the second woman to chair the ABC. That is disgusting, not something to brag about! He knows he's not going to be elected and is using Ita to fool people. Australia do we want to be treated as idiots?
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:57pm
    It appears to be a lot more than that Ted. Read some of the comments above to understand the concerns some of us hold about Ita.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    1:02pm
    Irrelevant - not into this 'gender equality by numbers' insanity .... it's a sure guarantee of incompetence at many levels and has proven so...
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:02pm
    Ted Wards...That's all the NLP have ever done. Scaremongering, division and diversion while they rob the country right under our noses.

    The ABC has to go because it's exposed so much of their corruption. Commercial media no longer want Buttrose. The ABC has some of the best reporters of the Nation. They could do a better job than Ita.

    This has nothing to do with women it's about destroying the ABC. Ita should go back to spending time with her grandchildren instead of being tempted by money. She has made enough and life is too short.
    Infinityoz
    1st Mar 2019
    12:19pm
    I suspect the reason ScoMo wanted her is that she was once the editor of the Daily Telegraph. One of his pal Murdoch's righty-biased so-called newspapers. He figures she will shift the ABC to his preferred rightist views. He is likely to be done like a dinner on that - Ita is a feisty lady, not going to bow to the current PM's needs at all! Good for her, I say - go Ita!
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    12:58pm
    Very observant. There's a reason why a Captains Call was made and why Ita stated on the news last night that she would fix the ABC. It ain't broken so what's that all about?
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:11pm
    MICK...It's about destroying the ABC. Their last chairperson was a Liberal women too. She was a FAIL. The broken promised cutbacks didn't work dear old Ita is the next resort.

    The ABC has some very intelligent people working for It and they will take care of things not Ita.

    I wish the Government could do just as good a job of governing this country but that is impossible.

    What does it tell you about SlowMo who wants to spend $6.7 Million on a replica of the Endeavour to circumnavigate Australia when Captain Cook never circumnavigated Australia. It was New Zealand? He needs to go back to school.
    kayay
    1st Mar 2019
    12:31pm
    Since when does the ABC have fair selection panels? Why not just let a politician select a Chairperson... at least some of the people might agree with him. Hope she lasts longer than the woman MD Ms Guthrie who was thrown out be devious methods. I hope she’s reinstated but in the meantime enjoys her beautiful Japanese embroidery and preparation of her legal case. I hope she wins and is found to have been dismissed unlawfully. Good luck Ita! I hope you last the distance 5 years is a long time.... in the ABC.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    1:00pm
    So who would your panel consist of? Murdoch, Stokes, ex CEOs, etc.
    You see the problem. Of course the way this was decided indicates something stinks. I smell a rat.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:53pm
    kayay...So you think SlowMo is an expert selection panelist for the ABC...He doesn't even know that Captain Cook never circumnavigated Australia. Are you happy with having a Dunce dictate the country?

    Ex Prime Minsters Howard, the children overboard liar and Abbott have gone against the law by standing up for a convicted pedophile friend.

    The NLP is the mafia of politics.
    BillF2
    1st Mar 2019
    12:31pm
    Jobs for the boys - and girls. Nothing against Ita, but choosing a 77 year-old for the job begs the question - aren't there any other talented younger people in Australia? I suspect Scomo has saved her from having to front up at Centrelink.
    musicveg
    2nd Mar 2019
    4:27pm
    I am sure she does not need the money, quite well off she is and has not need for Centrelink.
    Longhair
    1st Mar 2019
    12:53pm
    I consider a lot of reporting by the ABC to be biased..to the "left". It's not a balanced view overall. Reporting need s to be a better balance of views. However,their viewing in Asia yhru the Australia Channel (?) Is greatly welcomed by overseas expats and locals alike.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    1:02pm
    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    Read this and then PLEASE EXPLAIN Pauline! Attacking crooked politicians and crooked business people is balanced. Its what a REAL media outlet would do.......which is why the commercial media are biased. The chart on the link above says all.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    1:03pm
    There's help available for that kind of outlook...
    Charlie
    1st Mar 2019
    1:04pm
    Is she still alive?
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:14pm
    Charlie...Yes and she thinks she can take the money to her grave. It's more important to her than spending the twilight years of her life with her grandchildren. GREED is an evil disease.
    TREBOR
    2nd Mar 2019
    9:55am
    Probably got Relevance Deprivation Syndrome... one day a peacock, the next a feather duster...
    musicveg
    2nd Mar 2019
    4:29pm
    I agree with you jackie, she should be spending more time with the grandchildren and stop seeking a "sense of purpose" and "attention", she does not need the money either so why do it?
    Gee Whiz
    1st Mar 2019
    1:13pm
    Lets face it there is not one TV station or newspaper in this country that isn't biased. The Murdoch press and their other media outlets are prime examples ; right wing rags.

    And Ita worked for the Murdoch empire for years. Don't be surprised if a few of the lefties at the ABC are culled from the staff once she settles in.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    4:21pm
    Gee Whiz...That's the reason why Australians love the ABC. Murdoch press runs Australia, Britain and America. That's why all news is so biased by him.
    Gee Whiz
    1st Mar 2019
    1:13pm
    Lets face it there is not one TV station or newspaper in this country that isn't biased. The Murdoch press and their other media outlets are prime examples ; right wing rags.

    And Ita worked for the Murdoch empire for years. Don't be surprised if a few of the lefties at the ABC are culled from the staff once she settles in.
    floss
    1st Mar 2019
    1:25pm
    Love the ABC and have done so for some forty years . I just hope this grubby little government keeps their hands off it , they have stuffed the country leave the ABC alone.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:40pm
    Ditto. If I do ever (almost never) hear a conversation going the wrong way I switch off. What I don't do is cry 'bias' and 'unfair' whilst the right wing propaganda media groom the bulk of the public.
    floss
    1st Mar 2019
    1:28pm
    Every comment from Lathario confirms he is a fool.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:15pm
    floss....he is a troll....judging by his stupidity it wouldn't surprise me he is a Liberal politician. Ha ha
    kayay
    1st Mar 2019
    1:42pm
    I agree with you Mick there is no selection panel that should be biased but we are talking about the real world of the ABC... they do have a charter, they do have staff representation, they do have an obligation to be unbiased politically and they are a media organisation are they not? Above and beyond reproach just like the present government thought they were. There are very large fat rats making decisions at present in my humble opinion. They could be in for a few shocks I’m guessing! Ita is a media genius. Michele might be back. So might the opposition. My selection panel would include outsiders, non-politically aligned people with business and media credentials of a very high order and one staff representative, preferably an experienced journalist who is also a woman. A member of the ABC advisory board would be appropriate. No rats or politicians thank you. No biased old media identities or moguls?
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:43pm
    I suspect even uncle Rupert would be unable to resurrect this government....but it'll likely be given a go.
    Rupert might like to spare a thought of what he is doing to his brand sometime. When his (paying) customers leave he'll be out of business. That's the price of dictatorship formation. You get dumped when people begin to see you as dangerous with vested interests.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    3:04pm
    Uncle Rupert - The Attack of The Killer Mummy .... he's lucky to resurrect himself every morning...
    gibbo111
    1st Mar 2019
    1:43pm
    How about a younger person with a progressive view of the world. keeping the status quo with positions of importance with the old guard is going nowhere.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    3:05pm
    Hmmm - 'progressive' has taken on a mantle of 'not nice', same as conservative but in reverse ... let's settle for someone younger, more in touch, and with more energy to fill the job...
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:18pm
    gibbo111....I agree. Commercial business doesn't want her outdated skills and neither does the ABC. SlowMo should have no say in the matter.
    Robbie
    1st Mar 2019
    1:43pm
    Perfect choice
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:55pm
    Robbie...Yes this time the ABC won't have to throw her out for incompetence instead she may croak it.

    1st Mar 2019
    1:45pm
    Good on ScoMo for pushing aside the selection panel
    Probably loaded with journalists ,UNION thugs and lefty sympathesizers
    At least Ita has commercial acumen . I hope she gets rid of all the career bureaucrats and replaces them with executives ,managers,researchers and journalists from the real world
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    3:10pm
    **Scomo enters stage right, gun in hand**

    "Awright, you unelected swill! Raus!! I'M making all the decisions now! **looks over shoulder to door** "OK, Boys... bring on the Bolshevik Revolution and let's get rid of these Aristos....."


    For those who can't follow - the allegory is the Bolshevist Revolution in Russia.. where the parliament (Duma) was thrown out by the workers and soldiers with guns.... thus forming a new kind of dictatorship of the unwashed for decades.... it also has allusions to the Hitlerist takeover in Germany..

    In both cases a minority forced control under the guiding hand of an absolutist....... and then we all know the rest.... it's history ....

    Scomo is a Fascist in a civilised suit ....
    professori_au
    1st Mar 2019
    1:48pm
    I have no problems as to whether theperson is male or female. What is a concern is the potential Bias to wards the coallition and the murdock media. Her training was with an organisation that is biased in its media presntation. Having been trained under this makes her commitment to an unbiased organisation. An organisation that attempts to show both sides, muddy or clean without bias. Another concern. She is going to fix the ABC. Now "fix" is a term meaning to destroy and as well as repair, e.g. "I'll fix you ..... " or I will reapir (fix it any problems) Now what is she going to fix. I would further make this point. The ABC provides a wider and broader service than the commercial media on a much less budget (thanks to the government controlling funds). Surely this appears to show it is a better and more viable organisations that the commercial papers where funds seem unlimited when used to create a bias.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    1:49pm
    The ABC needs to be fixed
    Actually neutered is a better term
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:45pm
    Are you referring to the ABC or yourself.
    Read the link:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    You forgot to respond above and I'm still waiting.
    JoJozep
    1st Mar 2019
    1:51pm
    Of all the BS on these posts, a couple of things stand out.

    Firstly, I found Ita to be a fair, deep thinking person who when we first heard of her as the manager of Cleo Magazine, we, (I) laughed sometimes for the way she spoke because of her speaking difficulty. I began to take more interest in her as she progressed up the ladder within her company. I was impressed by Packer's acceptance of her as a truly passionate and gifted person and gave her the leeway she needed.

    Although I don't read women's magazines, at a lot of medical/dental clinics etc they only have women's magazines, so I began to read some of her editorials. She went well beyond the usual claptrap (to me anyway) in these magazines which were a commercial sales gimmick. I was impressed, and I don't care if the views are left or right, a debate is a debate, and I want the truth to stand out.

    Ita argued her case fairly and reasonable, in all debates I saw she was involved with.

    Secondly, initially, I felt it was a ScoMo's Captain's choice, which I know in past history has been disastrous for the Libs. At this point, I was appalled. No politician with half a brain should promote someone, especially as it was obvious, ScoMo wanted kodus and political "goodness" for the Libs to come out of it. Wrong, it shows how much groveling ScoMo is prepared to do. He has done more harm than good.

    Ita will work through this, and come up with a new and refreshed ABC. I wish her the best and I am also sure she will keep up the high standards of the ABC and most likely improve them.

    Lothario, I read most of your posts, some I found to be reasonable and sensible, but the majority are utter biased rubbish. You don't need to personally attack Shorten unless of course you are being paid by the Murdoch press to spread hate and innuendo. Bill Shorten is an educated and respected fellow, who spoke in Labour forums and denounced Unions not behaving fairly. The majority of union members are hard working noncommital members and are proud of the work they perform. I know for a fact (after 48 years observation on building sites), many builders, who incidentally employ workers and subcontractors try to extract the maximum advantage from their workers. So as to please their head bosses and make more profit. I only talk to the builders/site managers on site, and if I see a worker being unfairly abused, I go for the Builder and demand, yes demand, changes to their approach. Within minutes, things change and they comply. Everyone is happy and the job gets done on time and on budget. All it takes is fairness.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    2:07pm
    Why am I not in the least bit surprised you are an ex union official and card carrying member of the labor party
    You views on Shorten are only shared by your fellow union chiefs and one eyed labor supporters
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:47pm
    Did you watch the news two nights ago Jojozep? Ita said she would fix the ABC. well I need to tell you IT AIN'T BROKE.
    Furthermore look at the chart on this link:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    The ABC is not biased. Only the big commercial organisations who are spouting the government propaganda are. These are the FACTS.
    professori_au
    1st Mar 2019
    2:10pm
    I will maake this quite clear, my comments are not on the person as I admire Ita and have done so for many years. However, this is a business decision and one where that person has the best qualficiation; will maintain an unbiased presentation of news to the public. That the person is not appointed to "fix" the ABC but to develop/repair any faults it might have in reamining unbiased in news provision and presentation. That programmes address the widest possible audience interests. I have a problem with commercial station where the main interest is acting like the Roman Caesers catering to mindless entertainment that takes away the audience criticism of their behaviour and accountability. I am a researcher and am constantly amazed at even how very simple FOI question are avoided or they are so redacted that they present absolutely no information. Especialy when you find the informaion is already in the public domain although not freely published.
    JAID
    1st Mar 2019
    2:16pm
    Does the ABC need saving? Seems to be doing OK to me.
    professori_au
    1st Mar 2019
    2:36pm
    agreed and under considerable financial pressure fro a biased government or rather I should say a quasi government as the lawful government is the people, rich or poor. The parlaiment is its servant, whereas the quasi-government is a pawn of polticial and other interests, hence the word quasi. A bit like the term "claytons, when you want to look as if you are drnking alchol but don't want to drink it so you choose a Claytons that looks like one. In this case the quasi government looks like government but is not as it is a toy of corporations. Registered in Columbia Washington US, accountable to US law and the US revenue department. It is a trading company with a trading number. Check for yourselves
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:48pm
    Even after having funding cut TWICE from the current dispreputable government wanting to sell it off.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    4:02pm
    JAID...The ABC is brilliant. Long live the ABC. I can't speak for 77 year old Ita though. It's sad when money takes a precedence over family during one's twilight years. Life is so short.
    JAID
    1st Mar 2019
    2:16pm
    Does the ABC need saving? Seems to be doing OK to me.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:12pm
    Doing nicely despite 2 LNP attempts to starve it out of existence. That didn't work so now a new CEO with the end game flogging it off to somebody like Murdoch to turn into another right wing propaganda rag.
    LEAVE OUR ABC ALONE. It does not belong to you LNP!
    pjvixen
    1st Mar 2019
    2:33pm
    The bias needs to be removed from the ABC and hopefully Ita Buttrose will be the person to do that
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:50pm
    What bias? The one alleged by the mainstream media and this government, which is driving the witch hunt?
    Look at the chart on this link:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    So WHO is biased? Exactly.
    Buggsie
    1st Mar 2019
    2:36pm
    Ita has had a leadership role in the print media for a long time, but the operative word is HAD. She is too old, too BLUE in political colour and did not even apply for the job (lack of interest or figured she wouldn't get the nod?) Where are all the younger talented rising stars? If I'm considered too old to continue to hold a driving licence at 79, why is she considered young enough to pilot the ABC for the next few years? Seems like in politics reverse agism applies even outside of Canberra.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:51pm
    She isn't. She was a Captains Call from a vested interest government.
    On the Ball
    1st Mar 2019
    2:46pm
    GeorgeM wrote: Even in Q&A, where they invite some right-wingers (always a minority in the panel),"
    Wrong. On the face the selectors go to extremes to have a politically neutral panel, but research the panel and you will find a "right wing" bias.
    Also the audience leaning is shown at the bottom of the screen: ALWAYS the LNP and the most supporters. Check it out for yourself.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    2:52pm
    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    There is no bias!
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    3:22pm
    On the Ball...You have to admit the young audience is always so much more intelligent that the right-wingers. You can see why they always are a minority. They lack intelligence to make their evil policies look credible. That's why the sooks hate the ABC, especially that Liberal stool pigeon Paul Hanson.
    On the Ball
    1st Mar 2019
    2:51pm
    "Every week, in every home
    She got wholesome news for the family
    I believe, I believe, in what she says
    Yes I do
    I believe, I believe, at the end of the day
    Her magazine'll (ABC will) get me through...
    (Cold Chisel - Ita. 1980)

    LET's HOPE SO!!!
    JoJozep
    1st Mar 2019
    2:58pm
    Lothario. I am amazed you jump to conclusions, and confirm the rubbish and hate you put out.

    1. I am not a union member and never have been.

    2. I was appointed as contract manager/administrator on hundreds of large to medium jobs, (like the Royal Women's hospital, the Repatriation Hospital Heidelberg, the Waverley private Hospital, the Diamond Valley private Hospital, the Geelong Aged Care Home and dozens of other aged care homes, dozens of commercial buildings like arts centers, factories, Flight training Centre, Melbourne University Building Study, Parliament House status study, industrial sites, thousands of homes for returned servicemen and women and the list goes on.

    3. My role was to be firm but fair as contract manager, even the client was obliged to listen to my rulings in administrating contracts.

    4. In one case out of thousands, where my ruling was disputed by a Contractor, and the case went to court, their three QC's became laughing stocks when they tried to belittle me and I simply asked them (with the judge's approval) the same questions they asked me. I won the case!

    5. You have made assumptions about me to belittle me, and unless you're a QC, or Governor-General or Prime Minister, you are spreading lies and hate, and your comments are starting to become too personal, so I am free to sue the living pants off you, so shut up, retract your lies and forever hold your peace. I see your stupid Zorro picture wasn't attached on your last comment. Are you genuine or is that your alter ego talking? Are you a schizophrenic with dual personalities. If you are, I feel sorry for you and recommend you see a psychiatrist immediately.

    Be careful what you post, people are watching you. I am getting on to bother to read or reply to your ongoing piffle! You will most likely never listen to advice anyway, nevertheless, I'm trying to help you overcome your trauma.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    3:15pm
    I think that says it all.....................

    I think his photo is Robin from the old Batman and Robin.... not Zorro... and I suspect Loathie of two accounts on two computers, which gets past the temple dogs at the gate....
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    3:23pm
    For someone who ho used to manage contracts I must say you aren’t to bright
    Your avatar pic only appears if you a posting a fresh comment not if you are replying to someone’s post
    And as for Thebore,I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he is the impostor trolling me . Why would I have 2 accounts and use the same name .grow a brain Thebore.
    I’ve reported it to admin and hopefully the impostor will be struck off Shame they don’t ban you as well Thebore
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    7:37pm
    Let's put it up to the convenors of this site Loathsome - I wouldn't waste my time undermining your silliness by posing as you - I can do that standing on my head any time of any day.

    If they find that I have used your name in a false account,they will surely strike me down - otherwise I require your apology, sonny - and I can tell you right now you'll need your kneeling pads....

    I see you couldn't help yourself about insulting another's intelligence without reference to any facts....

    1st Mar 2019
    3:49pm
    Since Ita is a Li(e)beral appointment, you can guarantee that she'll be anything but unbiased. The ABC does not need "fixing"; it just needs to be funded properly.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    4:06pm
    Knows-a-lot...The ABC is innovative...it's managed very well despite the cutbacks.

    I wish this Lieberal Government did some cutbacks amongst themselves instead of being such an Age of Entitlement bunch of pigs in the trough.
    Jack
    1st Mar 2019
    3:56pm
    Looking at her background Ms Buttrose is obviously a competent administrator and leader. However given the people to whom she has reported and the financial mores of the employing organisations, it is hard to say she has entirely mid balance judgement. On top of that, her age is against her long term value.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    4:23pm
    Jack...Was once upon a time. That's why commercial media don't want her.
    GrayComputing
    1st Mar 2019
    4:16pm
    Australians would welcome Butrose as long as she is not there to do a job for right wing interests.
    That will soon become clear why she was chosen by the PM over true independent persons.
    jackie
    1st Mar 2019
    4:25pm
    GrayComputing...Would you be happy for Ita to pretend she is not for right wing interests?

    Time definitely will prove she is.
    Paddington
    1st Mar 2019
    4:20pm
    The ABC needs saving from LNP cuts and criticism that it is biased. Biases are in the eye of the beholder and it is right wing critics who condemn the ABC reporting because it is not telling their story. Facts are checked and corrections are made when there is found to be something false or misleading.
    Ita Buttrose has much experience and she will bring that to her position as ABC Chair. Her age would only be relevant if she was mentally or physically unsound and she seems to be fit for her age and she won’t be running a marathon not a physical one at least.
    She is well liked in the community and knows how to handle people including coworkers and the public. The fact that she is a woman is relevant at this time in history. LNP have a bad rep for including women and it is an election year after all.
    Labor has no issues with the choice either and they will be in power soon as the crumbling LNP have key people fleeing as the water rises onboard.

    1st Mar 2019
    4:28pm
    Ita Buttrose has been successful in any ventures which she has undertaken. There may be better people to do the job but I can't think of any. Does the ABC need cleaning up? Well that depends on where one sits politically and what one believes is happening with interviews, news and opinion pieces. I prefer to get splinters in my bum at the present because whichever way I lean will attract the trolls.

    I note that there has been a comparison with the ABC and commercial media. There is a subtle difference in ideology in that our ABC is required under its charter to be fair and even-handed. The commercial media is privately owned, has a duty to its shareholders and is there to make a profit. What the media chooses to write/broadcast will always be done in the interest of making a profit.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:15pm
    It is fair and honest. That's what this government cannot accept and when the ABC exposes dirty behaviour and policies its game on.
    Lets not run BS OM. You're a part of the team.
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2019
    4:36pm
    77 too old? just look up life expectancy on the Internet, eg, in Australia " Men aged 65 in 2014–2016 could expect to live another 19.6 years (an expected age at death of 84.6 years) and the life expectancy of women aged 65 in 2014–2016 was 22.3 years (an expected age at death of 87.3 years)."
    Given that she can afford the best care, and her mind is active and being challenged, she might live to her mid nineties, and still clear eyed, but whatever, she only has to live to 82, - plenty of wriggle room there, I would say the ageist comments are a furphy, putting it mildly.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:16pm
    Too old, too far from technology and too close to the right wing government run by Morison who made his Captain's Call to install her. I smell dishonesty!
    musicveg
    2nd Mar 2019
    4:49pm
    Just because life expectancy rates are higher now it does not mean that people are healthy in mind or body, many are in aged care homes and need constant looking after. Yes it should not be about her age but I still smell a rat.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    4:39pm
    Replays of Schindler's Litht? (ta-boom- tissssshhh..)

    Sorry, Ita.. couldn't help myself...
    ollie
    1st Mar 2019
    4:54pm
    If Ita has been put there to screw the ABC then the next labour government when elected will restore funding and restore the correct process for appointing people in these positions. Lets not kid ourselves this prime minister is a dictator and he and the right wing want to control the abc they don't want the public to know what a corrupt mob they are.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:17pm
    I hope you are correct ollie. This is what we all want.
    ollie
    1st Mar 2019
    4:54pm
    If Ita has been put there to screw the ABC then the next labour government when elected will restore funding and restore the correct process for appointing people in these positions. Lets not kid ourselves this prime minister is a dictator and he and the right wing want to control the abc they don't want the public to know what a corrupt mob they are.
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2019
    5:13pm
    It's weird to me, - sky news was once only known as a porno site, - naked girls flashing their tits and bums and not much more than that, - at least no one was hurting anyone else. - Now that it is a mouthpiece for the super rich it has assumed a pretended cloak of respectability to argue for the crawling corrupt delusion that money justifies everything.
    How things change when total self interest becomes the dominant paradigm. - A one way road to species extinction, - our species.
    Draganotz
    1st Mar 2019
    5:31pm
    The only people who don't think the ABC isn't biased are public servants, university lecturers, greenies etc. I don't think Ita will turn the ship around, she is just going to fold. Frankly, the ABC should be sold off and the funds put towards building a couple of coal fired power stations.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    5:36pm
    Yep . Poor Ita will throw her hands up in the air and walk off in disgust
    She will be backstabbed by the pack of leftie journos at the ABC at every turn
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2019
    6:02pm
    Perhaps you need to review your programming Draganotz, it is now fully in the public domain that wind and solar with batteries are cheaper to build than coal fired power stations, and of course much much cheaper to run because the energy from the sun and the wind is free.
    What sort of govt. would it be to deliberately build electrical generation facilities that would inevitably and now increase electricity costs?
    Only a corrupt Govt. - there is no left and right in Australia, - only the super rich, - the neo-liberals, including everybody they have bought, on one side, and the people of Australia, with all their different shades of opinion, on the other.
    You are not talking of helping Australia, but of betraying Australia, by destroying the ABC.
    Here is the link to that study by no less than the CSIRO, and the AEMO, the Australian Energy Market Operator.
    Below that is a document from the AEMC, the planning branch of the Govt that works with the AEMO, - you can see that there is no coal fired generation planned, - this is now, while there is still a Liberal Govt in 'charge'. you don't think that the future electrical generation system of Australia is entrusted to that brainless gutless breed, - politicians? - do you?

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/csiro-aemo-study-says-wind-solar-and-storage-clearly-cheaper-than-coal-45724/?

    https://www.aemc.gov.au/market-reviews-advice/coordination-generation-and-transmission-investment-implementation-access-andfbclid=IwAR04YW2cugW21F3Pwdxih_g6ZcbIqLo1Hw8tosztMaBA9XLPriIiydNdgLI
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:18pm
    AND the public Draganotz!
    Only this government and its paid trolls want the ABC sold. Do you work for the right wing media?????
    kayay
    1st Mar 2019
    6:05pm
    Obviously my subtlety is far too sophisticated for Jackie and Mick so I would like to clarify my comment “why not let a politician choose the Chairman of the ABC” was tongue in cheek and as I said it would please at least some of the people which it has obviously... going by comments today. The ABC is governed by a charter which specifies impartiality and transparency which they have to adhere to rigorously unless a clown like ScoMo starts acting as a political selection panel! Grow up!!! The ABC is yours not the government’s political broadcaster!!! Find yourselves another media outlet if you don’t like it and it’s in depth political reporting for a start. It’s not obligatory to stay tuned to the ABC if it offends you. Turn off!! Tune out!! I’m not a member of the LNP and do not admire the tactics of ScoMo. I’m unimpressed by his latest token appointment of a woman to Chair the ABC not run the world!!!! She won’t last long because ScoMo’s days are numbered.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    7:41pm
    Well.. sometimes you need to put **tongue in cheek** or whatever to clarify... online comment is seen as bald, same as a letter to an upset relative or whatever.. any attempt to explain comes out wrong, so just add a little phrase...
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    7:41pm
    In some ways the ABC does investigative reporting.... and a good thing, too...
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:21pm
    Thanks for the clarification kayay. Agreed.
    The reality is that this government is losing the battle because the ABC is telling us all what the right wing outlets either hide or alternatively (intentionally) gloss over and move on. I see the game. They want to end the transparency. This is the battle we all have to fight.
    Nascar.
    1st Mar 2019
    6:15pm
    Oi harLot wakey wakey, hand off snakey.
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2019
    6:41pm
    Too many wines Nascar?
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    7:42pm
    ex- air force guy?
    Adrianus
    1st Mar 2019
    6:40pm
    I have a lot of faith in the ability of Ita Buttrose, but she will need a lot of help to change a culture which has developed over a long period.
    The ABC is often opposed to Australia in its views. When I switch on ABC radio all I hear is Marxist BS.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    7:42pm
    Congratulations on your dreaming....
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:24pm
    The only BS is your government troll post Adrianus. Devoid of truth, facts and reality. As always.
    If you want to find out about the media look at this chart:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/8vgokb/australia_media_bias_chart/

    Oh yes...that's inconvenient to your argument.
    Adrianus
    1st Mar 2019
    6:40pm
    I have a lot of faith in the ability of Ita Buttrose, but she will need a lot of help to change a culture which has developed over a long period.
    The ABC is often opposed to Australia in its views. When I switch on ABC radio all I hear is Marxist BS.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    6:45pm
    You would think that the ABC would be patriotic , produce programs that are informative and free from politics .
    As far as politics is concerned they should limit themselves to showing live parliamaentry proceedings and impartial air time to all parties to answer questions from the people - not biased journo’s
    The BBC is far more respected by world audiences than the ABC
    Once upon a time we had radio Australia and it was good until it became infested with commies
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2019
    7:02pm
    Adrianus, that is because what was once radical is now normal, the far right was always as dumb as dog shee, and the left went too far, and became the right, - Stalin Mao tse Tung etc. The everyday decent people have taken the best and disdained the worst, - of course it is never that simple, - you may recall the comedians "Here's Hooey" a radio satire (1940's) where the quiz master says, - Give me an answer between yes and no, the frightened subject said "Television", some truth in that, and now of course it would be, I guess, "The Internet".
    But the Internet is not so easy to buy and own as Television, what you believe is marxism, is now well understood in today's context.
    This is the time of the information revolution.
    You seem to be stuck in the past Adrianus, the world has changed, despite the super rich trying to grind it to a halt so they can keep feeding on us at leisure, and it will continue to change, - we went seriously wrong back there, and more and more of us are waking up, but not to your moth eaten past.
    Our respect for the past, if we have any, is artistic stuff that uplifts us, not your arguments between Trotsky and Stalin or anything of that ilk.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    7:47pm
    Unfortunately for your views, Loathie and Adrie, what the ABC reports is impartial and factual, and some of its programs are reflections of real issues that need to be brought out and seen in public... and are 'populist' rather than 'Marxist'.....

    After all, in a democracy the people have a right to know and a right to an informed decision ... Marxism pure and simple is not so bad, and should not be confused with the Bolshevism that lead to such oppression of those very public rights.....

    Not one thing wrong with an informed and alerted public.... they can make their own decisions about what people say and how they say it, in Q & A for example, and if that leads to a vote against a current government - it is only that government to blame.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    9:08pm
    Thebore - SOME OF THE POLITICAL PROGRMAS ON ABC DONT REPORT
    Reporting is different from biased journos asking biased questions with a biased audience and a biased panel

    I agree that the ABC should report the news not impose their personal bias into their programs
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:27pm
    The ABC does not add bias. It just goes for the guts. The right wing media you love is where the real bias is.
    Do you remember Peter Overton's nasty comment after the last election: "doesn't he (Shorten) know the election is over". The comment was regarding Shorten's visit to Tasmania to thank voters after the election. The comment was that of a conceited right wing biased top end of town reporter...who lives the privileged life. Tell me about bias and decency.
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    10:33pm
    You keep confusing private channels whose journos can express their private views subject to their employment with the ABC journos who must be impartial at all times
    Why is it so hard for commies like you to understand
    Adrianus
    2nd Mar 2019
    9:53am
    Lothario, you make a very valid point. The fact that those who defend the ABC's bias, choose to ignore the charter, is proof that they have joined the ranks of Marxists within the Greens and ABC. I have no problem with communists in the Greens' ranks, but I want my ABC to follow the rules. If the political culture of the ABC cannot be changed then I will lobby my member for a reduction in funding.

    Why should schools go without while these high paid ABC comrades continue to win the minds of Australian citizens?
    TREBOR
    2nd Mar 2019
    10:04am
    "A free exchange of information is one guarantee of a free society!" - JFK.

    Are you now suggesting that non-news reporting programs should not seek to discuss affairs current and past and potentially future?

    Do you somehow imagine that the public are so blind that they cannot make up their own minds as to the value of a stated position?

    You just insulted millions, my son.... my long-stated view is that any fool should be able to stand up and proclaim his/her thinking and aims etc, and let the people decide... the greatest danger in the West, to society, culture, and the future of our children and so forth - is the real issues that are never spoken of, but are simply foisted upon an unsuspecting public by policy decisions from above.
    musicveg
    2nd Mar 2019
    4:53pm
    Adrianus it is only public schools that are missing out because more money is going to private independent schools.
    Adrianus
    4th Mar 2019
    8:39am
    But it's every day in every way!!
    Adrianus
    4th Mar 2019
    8:39am
    But it's every day in every way!!
    Poppysmum
    1st Mar 2019
    7:44pm
    Well, now we'll have recipes and feel good family stories on the ABC.
    TREBOR
    1st Mar 2019
    7:51pm
    Married At First Bite - see how a union of Labor and LNP works out by proxy as they work their way through a cooking contest and survive on a desolate tropical isle .. see first hand how our stars 'Bill' and 'Scott' make out as a couple in the midst of a casualty department crisis in a British hospital after a rescue from drowning at Bondi .......
    Poppysmum
    1st Mar 2019
    7:44pm
    Well, now we'll have recipes and feel good family stories on the ABC.
    musicveg
    2nd Mar 2019
    4:54pm
    Please no more cooking shows!

    1st Mar 2019
    7:53pm
    sorry I dont agree with Ita being chosen....she left her spot on Studio 10 to "spend more time with her 5 grand-children"!!!!!!!!!!...I think she is past her use by date.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:28pm
    Indeed and that's just the start.
    musicveg
    2nd Mar 2019
    4:55pm
    So it makes you wonder why she is now not going to spend time with the grandchidren and work at the ABC, very suss.
    mogo51
    1st Mar 2019
    8:40pm
    Too old a political appointment.
    Lookfar
    1st Mar 2019
    8:53pm
    Ageism Mogo?, not particularly welcome on YLC, - weve all had a gutful of it already, in fact i see a fair bit of contempt for any of those outated 'ism's'.
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:29pm
    Too far removed from the cutting edge before we even look at who appointed her and her background.
    Anonymous
    2nd Mar 2019
    1:57pm
    This is a 5 year appointment ...will be interesting to see if she lasts it out until she is 82. I still think the job should have gone to someone else.
    Arvo
    1st Mar 2019
    9:19pm
    Bear in mind that she's only the Chairwoman not the CEO but a good pick neverthe less
    Cheezil61
    1st Mar 2019
    9:40pm
    The rich get richer again! Put her on an ordinary salary like the rest of us then & I'm sure she could still afford a decent retirement when she thinks she can afford it!
    Bruce
    1st Mar 2019
    10:02pm
    You labor supporters must be rich ex govt employees.
    Your leftard eyesight is downright disgusting to private sector workers.
    I'm happy your wealthy.it shows you made good decisions when you were young.
    But when you kick me in the guts. Then I think your not sincere in your socialistic belief's
    Anonymous
    1st Mar 2019
    10:10pm
    Yep - those who never had to do a decent days labor but worked in the public sector or unions would never understand
    They are the privileged leaches who keep reaping the handouts
    MICK
    1st Mar 2019
    10:31pm
    If you two government sponsored trolls only knew..... Its you two who have not done an honest days work ever. Dishonesty and wrecking ball behaviour is your trade for the 30 pieces of solver the bastards pay you.
    Shame. You are not real Australians.
    Adrianus
    2nd Mar 2019
    9:42am
    Bruce, there are many good people who devote their lives in service to the public. Unfortunately there are rich few, as you've described, who give the rest a bad name. This site seems to have attracted a few of those. They are the worst of human kind. Don't let it change your heart.
    Misty
    3rd Mar 2019
    1:05am
    Sorry Adrianus, it is like talking to a brick wall, trying to explain to some people that there is no BIAS ON THE ABC, they just will not listen, maybe because they don't want to know the truth.
    professori_au
    2nd Mar 2019
    2:47am
    I would like to make an apology. In my comment 1st march 2019, for some reason part of a sentance was cut off and thus created a different meaning. My sentance referred to her training under an extreme right wing media, hence in the public eye, her ability to remain unbiased would be questionable. The method for her appointment in itself is corrupt and denotes she will be under a certain obligation. The appointment should have been left to the panel appointed to make an appropriate selection. As a person I have had admiration for Ita. However, the method of selection, even if she had the qualficiations and from comments this has been questioned, makes for an unbiased appointment untrustworthy in the public eye.
    Lookfar
    2nd Mar 2019
    7:25am
    Pro, your apology is accepted but unnecessary, Ita is quite an extraordinary person, and is perfectly able to see that the rabid 'commercial' media are not operating in the interests of Australia, - her training probably opened her eyes to the absolutely selfish forces behind the right wing media, - Neo-liberalism believes all nations should be abolished, nations get in the way of their controlling everybody except the other super rich, their very traitorous allowance into Australia and their right to parade their anti-Australian agenda must be something she is very aware of.
    Yes, she was illegally appointed, but by a total fool, thinking that he can behave like the even greater foool Trump, the would be Hitler of America, so lets give her a go, after all it is not the person but the deed, that we should judge, Morrison the traitor very harshly, Ita, let's see what she does.
    professori_au
    2nd Mar 2019
    11:01pm
    Lookfar. My apology was because I did not want to have anyone believe I was attacking Ita the person. Having looked at the servey results it seems that she is a people's choice, therefore it has more standing than any panel or quasi-government prrime minister. On that basis I agree let her have a go, she can't do much worse that the politically appointed.
    We have polticians that under our Comonwealth Constitution are behaving treasonously. They are giving their allegiance to the vested interests of the rich or to the UN. Neither have beeen sanctioned by the people. This so-called government is making laws that are not going through the proper due process, e.g. debated in the lower house, reviewed and either accepted, or some changes recommended and then further debate. 1st, 2nd and third readings with each reading referred to the upper house to be checked, etc. The Bills frequently are called Acts by stating in the government gazzette it has been assented on such and such day but does not state whether assented by the monarch or the Goveror General or if a state matter the governor, or that partlaiment has agreed.
    Parliament agreeing does not make is lawful as it still haas to go through the rest of the due process. When you research deeply and carried out due diligence sometimes you find the Bills are not Acts and are actually unlawful, hence invalid. We need a people's monitoring committee to ensure our parliaments are operating both legally and lawfully. This committee would be best value if the committee members are selected from all levels of society, not just accademics, retired polticians, or members of the rich elite. I suspecct that sort of committee, political parties would not like.
    Banjo
    2nd Mar 2019
    10:46am
    I don't know whether Ita Buttrose is the best person for the job. She is certainly not the worst by any stretch of the imagination. She is level headed, been around media for a very long time. Her age is of no consequence.

    The ABC needs a little improvement because it's well worth saving. Hope to see some good things in the future.
    musicveg
    2nd Mar 2019
    3:43pm
    Anyone Scomo picks is suss. Don't trust Ita, why does she even need to work, surely she has enough money already? And the ABC does not need fixing it is fine as it is, that is what really makes me wonder why the sudden move to ask Ita to do it, they need to have a proper selection process and not be hand-picked by Government.
    Lookfar
    2nd Mar 2019
    4:50pm
    Yes Musicveg, can she have been hypnotised, or programmed to not be what she really is? - well, Loth and adri and OG and several other neo liberal employees on this site, - not saying they are Koch Bros whores, but have seemingly had such programming, - although it usually produces a sort of wooden reponse to every situation, - obvious with our trolls, but would we not notice it in such a far more sophisticated person as Ita?
    Normally these techniques suppress the 'soul' so we have a soul less uncaring cruel idiot sort of person, (Hi Loth) but with her I think we should notice it as it will stand out in respect to her long life and many other appearances, - we just have to keep on watching her and evaluating, either she will be good or not, and if not the ABC staff will notice quickest of all and maybe need our support.
    Anonymous
    2nd Mar 2019
    6:02pm
    Lookfar - you’re a looney tune
    Misty
    3rd Mar 2019
    1:09am
    The 2 Lotharios are at war with one another again, will the real one please stand up.
    Aviator
    4th Mar 2019
    1:43am
    Misty there is only one Lothario, that's me.
    Misty
    5th Mar 2019
    10:48am
    How will we ever know?
    Aviator
    5th Mar 2019
    11:36pm
    I am the real Lothario, I am going to report you.
    ex PS
    3rd Mar 2019
    9:36am
    Since when did it need saving?
    Lookfar
    3rd Mar 2019
    11:10am
    I must admit, ex PS, that I voted that, as did others it seems, because I thought it meant saving it from the right wing's endless attack, but I do take the point that it seems to be handling those attacks rather well.
    Still, it would be better if the ABC could concentrate on doing the job properly funded rather thhan staving off these witless ning nongs who have dirt they want to keep hidden.
    On the other hand, the very fuss that they make trying to close the ABC does alert us to the importance of the secrets the witless want to not be uncovered.
    musicveg
    3rd Mar 2019
    12:34pm
    Oh yeah I forgot they wanted to close the ABC now it makes me wonder more why they picked ITA who I believe should not have the job, and that is nothing to do with her being a female or her age. I am still trying to work out why Scomo picked her.
    Crimmo
    3rd Mar 2019
    1:05pm
    I stopped listening to anything Ita says, a long time ago when I heard her say something totally irresponsible in an interview she was holding.
    Crimmo
    3rd Mar 2019
    1:05pm
    I stopped listening to anything Ita says, a long time ago when I heard her say something totally irresponsible in an interview she was holding.
    Abby
    3rd Mar 2019
    2:01pm
    In my opinion Ita Buttrose is a ggod choice and she should do a good job.
    maxchugg
    3rd Mar 2019
    2:46pm
    Before going to the comments, I had a bet with myself that Labor troll extraordinaire Mick would be first cab off the rank on this subject.

    Mick will be happy if Ita Buttrose is not there to do a job for right wing interests as has been done for the left wing interests for a very long time. No doubt Mick will want to dispute this, even if, for example, James Spigelman, Gough Whitlam's former private secretary is cited as having admitted "it's probably true there are a greater number of Labor voters among our journalists than conservative voters". Then there was former ABC chairman Maurice Newman, also cited as having commented that the bias is so pervasive that the ABC may have to be scrapped or sold.

    I ceased to be a regular viewer of Q&A, Insiders and 4 Corners but the blatant bias became so insufferable I switched off. The spectacle of one conservative panelist being attacked by the remaining panelists, urged on and supported by Tony Jones reduced the program to nauseating, nonsensical propaganda, as is 4 Corners, run by Tony's wife.

    The government has cut funding several times, Mick tells us - how much more than $1 billion annually should they be given?

    Sell the ABC and put the proceeds of sale and annual savings to a better use.
    Misty
    3rd Mar 2019
    8:27pm
    I think you will find that Ita Butrose is straight down the line, neither L or R maxchung, unlike you, what rubbish, all you Righties protesting here about bias on the ABC don't know what you are talking about, if the Coalition are being bagged or the Labor Party or any of the minor parties it is because they deserve it, not lauded, promoted and covered up like Sky and the commercial news outlets do. BTW Q & A usually have an equal no of L AND R panelists on so I don't see how you can say they are biased.
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    5:41pm
    Obviously, Misty, you have never watched Q&A and seen one moderate under fire from the rest of the panellists, the selected audience and Tony Jones. They lost me ages ago when they had David Suzuki making a total ass of himself when he demonstrated his total ignorance on the subject of global warming yet still wanted sceptics thrown in jail.

    joannenova.com.au/2013/09/david-suuki-bombs-on-qa-knows nothing-about-the climate/

    The
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    5:41pm
    Obviously, Misty, you have never watched Q&A and seen one moderate under fire from the rest of the panellists, the selected audience and Tony Jones. They lost me ages ago when they had David Suzuki making a total ass of himself when he demonstrated his total ignorance on the subject of global warming yet still wanted sceptics thrown in jail.

    joannenova.com.au/2013/09/david-suuki-bombs-on-qa-knows nothing-about-the climate/

    The
    Misty
    4th Mar 2019
    6:21pm
    I have never missed a Q & A, unless I have been elsewhere and couldn't access it, anyone who doesn't believe in Climate Change has rocks in their head, even this Coalition Govt has admitted it now and is making daily Climate Change announcements.
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    8:17pm
    Misty,you say that people who do not believe in climate change have rocks in their heads, and you are correct in that climate change has been an ever present reality on the planet. However, if you believe in anthropogenic climate change, you are a victim of the greatest fraud to have ever been invented.
    Since 1990 we have seen prediction after prediction of future climate made, all have had a failure rate of 100%. I am not providing any of the dozens, if not hundreds of examples available in the interests of brevity, but I would be interested to hear you explain how human activity on earth is allegedly causing the polar icecaps to melt when the Martian icecaps are also melting.
    You probably believe that over 90% of scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change, but have either not heard, or chosen to ignore the opinions of a very large number of well qualified scientists who are openly hostile to the current theories which provide wonderful employment conditions for many and millions of dollars for others, with Al Gore being one of the best examples.
    Likewise you will either not have heard of the Petition Project or chosen to ignore this “inconvenient truth” which was signed by 31,487 American scientists and stated:

    “We urge the United States government to reject the global warming argument that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.
    ‘There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will, in the conceivable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”

    Here we have 31,487 American scientists who do not accept the propaganda. Rocks in their heads? If the only sceptical scientists are in America and 31,487 represent say 5% of the scientists, there would need to be 598,253 true believers (the remaining 95%). Are there really 629740 climate scientists in the world? Is it really possible that 31,487 scientists have rocks in their heads?
    In Australia Senator Ian McDonald asked our Chief Scientist “If we (Australia) reduced the world’s carbon (dioxide) emissions by 1.3% (reduced our emissions to zero) what impact would that have on the changing climate of the world?”
    The Chief Scientist’s reply – “Virtually nothing.”
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    8:17pm
    Misty,you say that people who do not believe in climate change have rocks in their heads, and you are correct in that climate change has been an ever present reality on the planet. However, if you believe in anthropogenic climate change, you are a victim of the greatest fraud to have ever been invented.
    Since 1990 we have seen prediction after prediction of future climate made, all have had a failure rate of 100%. I am not providing any of the dozens, if not hundreds of examples available in the interests of brevity, but I would be interested to hear you explain how human activity on earth is allegedly causing the polar icecaps to melt when the Martian icecaps are also melting.
    You probably believe that over 90% of scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change, but have either not heard, or chosen to ignore the opinions of a very large number of well qualified scientists who are openly hostile to the current theories which provide wonderful employment conditions for many and millions of dollars for others, with Al Gore being one of the best examples.
    Likewise you will either not have heard of the Petition Project or chosen to ignore this “inconvenient truth” which was signed by 31,487 American scientists and stated:

    “We urge the United States government to reject the global warming argument that was written in Kyoto, Japan in December 1997, and any other similar proposals. The proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment, hinder the advance of science and technology, and damage the health and welfare of mankind.
    ‘There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing, or will, in the conceivable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate. Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.”

    Here we have 31,487 American scientists who do not accept the propaganda. Rocks in their heads? If the only sceptical scientists are in America and 31,487 represent say 5% of the scientists, there would need to be 598,253 true believers (the remaining 95%). Are there really 629740 climate scientists in the world? Is it really possible that 31,487 scientists have rocks in their heads?
    In Australia Senator Ian McDonald asked our Chief Scientist “If we (Australia) reduced the world’s carbon (dioxide) emissions by 1.3% (reduced our emissions to zero) what impact would that have on the changing climate of the world?”
    The Chief Scientist’s reply – “Virtually nothing.”
    Misty
    5th Mar 2019
    12:42am
    Well Max apparently the Climate Change scientists have revised the way the tests are done because of better and more accurate testing methods and still believe that man is adding to climate change, those that don't want to believe will always stay sceptics, probably even until the earth burns and crumbles around them.
    Common sense says we cannot be pumping all this pollution from. planes, trains, automobiles, factories, farming, humans, into the atmosphere without it doing harm, our children and grandchildren will hate us forever if we let that happen.
    Anonymous
    5th Mar 2019
    9:16am
    Very bemused when I see how many people go to climate change conferences by plane. In this day and age they could have video conferencing "to save the planet" from all the pollution cause by aircraft.

    no, no, that is stupid of me...they want to be seen on he world stage don't they!!
    maxchugg
    3rd Mar 2019
    2:46pm
    Before going to the comments, I had a bet with myself that Labor troll extraordinaire Mick would be first cab off the rank on this subject.

    Mick will be happy if Ita Buttrose is not there to do a job for right wing interests as has been done for the left wing interests for a very long time. No doubt Mick will want to dispute this, even if, for example, James Spigelman, Gough Whitlam's former private secretary is cited as having admitted "it's probably true there are a greater number of Labor voters among our journalists than conservative voters". Then there was former ABC chairman Maurice Newman, also cited as having commented that the bias is so pervasive that the ABC may have to be scrapped or sold.

    I ceased to be a regular viewer of Q&A, Insiders and 4 Corners but the blatant bias became so insufferable I switched off. The spectacle of one conservative panelist being attacked by the remaining panelists, urged on and supported by Tony Jones reduced the program to nauseating, nonsensical propaganda, as is 4 Corners, run by Tony's wife.

    The government has cut funding several times, Mick tells us - how much more than $1 billion annually should they be given?

    Sell the ABC and put the proceeds of sale and annual savings to a better use.
    Lookfar
    3rd Mar 2019
    8:43pm
    Why post twice MX ? once was wrong, - you need to be able to read articles, etc from both sides, otherwise you end up a bigot. - we dont't need more bigots, bigots will sell what is left of Australia to the .01% . - Bigots are, i am sad to say, traitors to Australia.
    Is that what you want to be? - no one can stop you, the super rich will defend you, Your grand children will curse you.
    Rightly!!
    Misty
    3rd Mar 2019
    10:01pm
    OH and BTW maxchung did you know that $30 million of taxpayers dollars was given to Foxtel , part owned by Murdoch?.
    Adrianus
    4th Mar 2019
    8:50am
    maxchugg, the majority of people would agree with your sentiments. In all my years of viewing/listening to the ABC, I have never once seen a negative comment on the Greens. When our national broadcaster can take credit for bringing down a Prime Minister in favour of the Gillard/Shorten/Bowen/Swan clique, then its time to question their inflated sense of self importance.
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    6:11pm
    Lookfar, if you take the trouble to look a little further you will note that my post was not the only one to appear more than once, even though I only sent it once.

    You accuse me of bigotry with absolutely no justification because it is not I but you who needs to look at an argument from both sides, something which you have clearly failed to do with this post of yours. Are you able to deny that Gough Whitlam's former private secretary made the comments attributed to him in my post? Or the comments made by former ABC Chairman Maurice Newman.

    In his post, Mick commented "Australians would welcome Ita Buttrose as long as she is not there to do a job for right wing interests." I'm in no doubt about which side of politics Mick would like Ita to support. Time will tell.

    Finally your disgraceful, highly offensive comments about traitors. I would suggest that you take a closer look at some of the presenters on ABC who are always ready to trash the reputation of Australia.
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    6:28pm
    Misty, I did not know about the handout to Foxtel and I think it would be as difficult to justify as the annual billion that goes to the ABC every year.
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    6:28pm
    Misty, I did not know about the handout to Foxtel and I think it would be as difficult to justify as the annual billion that goes to the ABC every year.
    Anonymous
    5th Mar 2019
    9:14am
    i am waiting with bated breath for Di Natalie (Greens) to blame the fires in Victoria on climate change!!
    Lookfar
    4th Mar 2019
    6:24pm
    Hi Max, I am sorry my statement that you could be seen as offensive, - I guess that means you aceept you are one, - time to change.
    I recall, quite some years ago the Liberal party offending Rupert Murdoch, - he swore he would get them turfed out, - they were, and have never dared offend him since.
    When will the penny drop with you exreme right wingers, Australia is losing it's control over it's own destiny, we are being, and mainly have already been, bought, it is only the final dismantling of our democracy that has taken the Neo-liberals a bit longer, - the sheep are not accepting they are sheep.
    That is because we are not, and traitor is too soft a word, but I am respecting the right of each to have their say on YLC, as have I.
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    6:47pm
    Lookfar, here you go again, now you label me as a right winger, even though you have never met me and obviously do not have the vaguest understanding of my opinions.

    As for your comment that because I see your statement as offensive means that I am "one", it is as inane as anything I have ever read. Such comments as these are the clearest possible demonstration of extreme arrogance and bigotry on your part.

    For your information, I am a swinging voter, probably voted Labor as often as I have voted Liberal, and for many years, as part of my employment I had a close association with the office of my Labor member of parliament to the point where I walked for many miles and many hours in supporting two past Labor candidates in this state.

    When voting I have always placed national interests above my own interests so this time I will be supporting the Liberals because I have even less trust in the current Labor team than the Liberals and I regard the Greens as a bunch of luddites who, in my view, are hell bent on destroying our economy.
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    6:47pm
    Lookfar, here you go again, now you label me as a right winger, even though you have never met me and obviously do not have the vaguest understanding of my opinions.

    As for your comment that because I see your statement as offensive means that I am "one", it is as inane as anything I have ever read. Such comments as these are the clearest possible demonstration of extreme arrogance and bigotry on your part.

    For your information, I am a swinging voter, probably voted Labor as often as I have voted Liberal, and for many years, as part of my employment I had a close association with the office of my Labor member of parliament to the point where I walked for many miles and many hours in supporting two past Labor candidates in this state.

    When voting I have always placed national interests above my own interests so this time I will be supporting the Liberals because I have even less trust in the current Labor team than the Liberals and I regard the Greens as a bunch of luddites who, in my view, are hell bent on destroying our economy.
    Lookfar
    4th Mar 2019
    8:53pm
    Max it is so sad that you feel that the interests of Australia are best served by the corrupt in the liberal party selling Australia to the .01%, - I can't imagine the lying to your self, the reliance on Cliches and Paradigms, the twisting of evidence, so that you can betray Australia, - perhaps just you, perhaps many others, - not thinking.
    I said to you that Australia has been bought, you did not ask by who, - why did you not ask? why not ask other questions, - no you just accepted it, oh you foul being.

    Who bought us, what right did they have? (actually in our constitution they did not have that right, what politicians sold their souls for money to allow those foreign companies to do that?) - so that is the second question, who sold us.
    Third question is Who SOLD us? - well we now know, the Liberal party, 100%, hey but what about the Labour party, - after all they introduced Neo-Liberalism into the parliament, .. yes them too, but many members really distressed about it, so probably better to vote for them rather than just pull down your pants and stick up your bum to the liberal party, - only half as bad
    .
    The Greens, trying to save the world, what is wrong with saving the world?
    All over the world countries and states have tried renewable energy and they have cheaper electricity, less pollution less corruption more work, often a big economic resurgence, etc. - just greenie propaganda, right? - no, not thinking it through, not finding the real truth of all these things and - worse, operating on your ignorance to destroy the rest of us, - and oh so foolish, you yourself too, - hard to believe a normal human being could be so stupid yet offer up it's opinion on the internet, - that is why I have to hope you are a just a traitor, - ignorant of what you do , so hopefully, not worse than a traitor, but one of the .01%, - or believing you will become such, but something quite a lot worse.
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    10:38pm
    So the Liberal party is corrupt and I suppose, you will want to tell me that the Labor party is as pure as the driven snow.

    You say that "All over the world countries and states have tried renewable energy and they have cheaper electricity" The dearest energy at present is Denmark & Germany – 39.0¢/kWh. The reason - "The high cost for power has been linked to government policies that help green energy."

    But let's look at Australia, what happened in prices in South Australia when they destroyed their coal fired power stations? Did they get a more reliable supply? Did the prices rise?

    And, if you are so concerned about the welfare of Australians, why are you not bothered about the determination of the left to shut down free speech? Why are you silent about the riots which have taken place at universities, for example when someone not from the radical left wishes to express a divergent opinion?

    But, of course you would support the actions of the left wing thugs because you appear to be one of them. I cite facts which you dislike, I am branded a traitor, operating on ignorance to destroy the rest of us.

    There is little room for doubt about who is really offering up stupid opinions on the internet, because your only response to facts has been opinions mixed with personal vilification - the old ad hominem approach, if you can't deal with the argument, attack the person.
    maxchugg
    4th Mar 2019
    10:38pm
    So the Liberal party is corrupt and I suppose, you will want to tell me that the Labor party is as pure as the driven snow.

    You say that "All over the world countries and states have tried renewable energy and they have cheaper electricity" The dearest energy at present is Denmark & Germany – 39.0¢/kWh. The reason - "The high cost for power has been linked to government policies that help green energy."

    But let's look at Australia, what happened in prices in South Australia when they destroyed their coal fired power stations? Did they get a more reliable supply? Did the prices rise?

    And, if you are so concerned about the welfare of Australians, why are you not bothered about the determination of the left to shut down free speech? Why are you silent about the riots which have taken place at universities, for example when someone not from the radical left wishes to express a divergent opinion?

    But, of course you would support the actions of the left wing thugs because you appear to be one of them. I cite facts which you dislike, I am branded a traitor, operating on ignorance to destroy the rest of us.

    There is little room for doubt about who is really offering up stupid opinions on the internet, because your only response to facts has been opinions mixed with personal vilification - the old ad hominem approach, if you can't deal with the argument, attack the person.
    Anonymous
    5th Mar 2019
    9:12am
    72 billion dollars has been spent over ten years on renewables. what have we got...dearer elecricity and less reliability. 60% of wind farm comparies are owned by overseas companies.

    but hey we want to save the planet so just pay up and don't complain when you get your next electricity bill.
    maxchugg
    5th Mar 2019
    11:03am
    Ardnher, be careful!

    Lookfar thinks that the Greens are trying to save the world and also thinks that renewable energy is cheaper than that which is produced by coal and other means. If you dare to question his wisdom and patriotic fervor, dare to produce evidence that electricity produced by renewables is significantly more expensive and supply is unreliable, you are not only stupid and abnormal, you are obviously a right wing fanatic and a traitor!

    Misty will think that along with the 31,487 scientists who disagree with anthropogenic climate change you also have rocks in your head. Oh, also, "Climate Change scientists have revised the way the tests are done because of better and more accurate testing methods." Trouble is that the better and more accurate methods are not only damaging the theory, they are disproving it. For example, the secret that the North Atlantic is rapidly cooling has escaped and with it goes the oft touted message that very soon the Arctic ice will completely disappear in summer.

    Another problem is that the computer models, the source of all the predictions, have now been around long enough for them to be tested. Their decade old predictions of current climate have been wildly exaggerated with regard to global temperature, and when used in reverse to show what the climate should have been a decade ago, another failure!

    As for the Antarctic, it also stubbornly refuses to obey the computer models and, if anything, is slowly growing. The US Scott-Amundsen base was originally a double storey building when constructed in 1956 but finally buried and abandoned in 1975. The next building, after lasting much longer than expected, has now been replaced by another building which currently stands 10 feet above the snow, but sits on legs which can be adjusted upwards by up to two more storeys to prevent it from being eventually buried. Why do this if the ice is going to melt?

    What is particularly interesting is that scientist Dr. Piers Corbyn has predicted climate with remarkable accuracy by studying sunspot activity. Add to this the fact that the polar icecaps on Mars are also melting at present and an "inconvenient truth" for Al Gore and his disciples emerges. Still, what would Al care, he had $1.7 million in 2000, currently estimated at $350 million. The legendary Bhagwan Shee Rajneesh, Rolls-Royce's best customer, still appears to have amassed a smaller fortune than Al Gore with a phoney religion and the sale of books and other propaganda.

    Finally, your point about the behavior of those who want everyone but themselves to consume less energy and restrict atmospheric pollution is well made. Obama flew to the first global warming conference in Europe on Airforce One, Hillary delivered a lecture about the need to observe the rules of the global warming religion, then flew to the opposite coast on a chartered jet when there would have been plenty of seats available on commercial flights. Yet another "inconvenient truth" - Al Gore's electricity bill reveals he consumes 3,400% more power than the average American home.

    For anyone with a smart TV, YouTube provides is a mass of evidence from many scientists, one of whom was involved in the creation of the notorious computer models used by the IPCC, all now denounced by the remaining true believers. A must watch is the story of the scam which tells the story of how the lie about over 90% of scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change came into being. None of this information is available through the normal media sources, as it should be.

    To find the real truth, visit this site:

    https://palmbeachrepublicanclub.org/scientists-confesses-global-warming-is-a 22-billion-scam/
    maxchugg
    5th Mar 2019
    11:03am
    Ardnher, be careful!

    Lookfar thinks that the Greens are trying to save the world and also thinks that renewable energy is cheaper than that which is produced by coal and other means. If you dare to question his wisdom and patriotic fervor, dare to produce evidence that electricity produced by renewables is significantly more expensive and supply is unreliable, you are not only stupid and abnormal, you are obviously a right wing fanatic and a traitor!

    Misty will think that along with the 31,487 scientists who disagree with anthropogenic climate change you also have rocks in your head. Oh, also, "Climate Change scientists have revised the way the tests are done because of better and more accurate testing methods." Trouble is that the better and more accurate methods are not only damaging the theory, they are disproving it. For example, the secret that the North Atlantic is rapidly cooling has escaped and with it goes the oft touted message that very soon the Arctic ice will completely disappear in summer.

    Another problem is that the computer models, the source of all the predictions, have now been around long enough for them to be tested. Their decade old predictions of current climate have been wildly exaggerated with regard to global temperature, and when used in reverse to show what the climate should have been a decade ago, another failure!

    As for the Antarctic, it also stubbornly refuses to obey the computer models and, if anything, is slowly growing. The US Scott-Amundsen base was originally a double storey building when constructed in 1956 but finally buried and abandoned in 1975. The next building, after lasting much longer than expected, has now been replaced by another building which currently stands 10 feet above the snow, but sits on legs which can be adjusted upwards by up to two more storeys to prevent it from being eventually buried. Why do this if the ice is going to melt?

    What is particularly interesting is that scientist Dr. Piers Corbyn has predicted climate with remarkable accuracy by studying sunspot activity. Add to this the fact that the polar icecaps on Mars are also melting at present and an "inconvenient truth" for Al Gore and his disciples emerges. Still, what would Al care, he had $1.7 million in 2000, currently estimated at $350 million. The legendary Bhagwan Shee Rajneesh, Rolls-Royce's best customer, still appears to have amassed a smaller fortune than Al Gore with a phoney religion and the sale of books and other propaganda.

    Finally, your point about the behavior of those who want everyone but themselves to consume less energy and restrict atmospheric pollution is well made. Obama flew to the first global warming conference in Europe on Airforce One, Hillary delivered a lecture about the need to observe the rules of the global warming religion, then flew to the opposite coast on a chartered jet when there would have been plenty of seats available on commercial flights. Yet another "inconvenient truth" - Al Gore's electricity bill reveals he consumes 3,400% more power than the average American home.

    For anyone with a smart TV, YouTube provides is a mass of evidence from many scientists, one of whom was involved in the creation of the notorious computer models used by the IPCC, all now denounced by the remaining true believers. A must watch is the story of the scam which tells the story of how the lie about over 90% of scientists believe in anthropogenic climate change came into being. None of this information is available through the normal media sources, as it should be.

    To find the real truth, visit this site:

    https://palmbeachrepublicanclub.org/scientists-confesses-global-warming-is-a 22-billion-scam/
    Misty
    5th Mar 2019
    6:24pm
    I don't believe any of the scientists anymore, all results can be skewed to get the result you want, I am basing my climate concerns on the changing climate over the last few years, I am 81 and have probably been around a lot longer then most of you commenting here and I can see how the weather is changing.
    maxchugg
    5th Mar 2019
    8:47pm
    Misty, I have been around almost as long as you and you are correct when you say that the climate has changed, it always has, and always will.

    You are also correct in saying that results can be skewed to get any result you want, what can't be skewed is the evidence of your eyes. So, when "climate scientists" make one prediction after another and all fail, how long do they deserve credibility?

    I have mentioned the Maldives which, in 1990, were predicted to be under water by 2000, closely followed by Pacific islands, yet they are all still there. Arctic ice would be gone each summer we were told for several years, it hasn't happened and won't because the North Atlantic is cooling rapidly. The construction of a dam near Brisbane was opposed because it would never fill - it did and Brisbane was flooded when surplus water had to be released, a scenario which has since been repeated in Townsville.

    The predicted absence of rainfall in future required the construction of desalination plants for billions of dollars. Most have not produced a drop of water yet consume many millions of dollars each year in maintenance costs. A rising generation would never see snow, we were told -tell that to the Americans right now. Don't forget the polar bears which were all going to drown, yet they were in sufficient number to recently invade an area of Russia.

    The lies about carbon dioxide polluting the atmosphere have caused Australia's electricity moving from being cheap by comparison with the rest of the world rising to a point where it is amongst the highest. As I have mentioned, the Chief Scientist was asked what difference would be made to the Earth's climate if we completely eliminated all emissions of carbon dioxide and his reply was that the effect would be virtually nothing?

    Misty, if I believed that the pain of enormous power bills was justified in protecting the environment, I would be willing to suffer in silence, but I believe that all we are seeing is an exercise in futility fuelled by opportunism. We now know that last year the US spent over $22 billion in promoting the theory of anthropogenic global warming. Love him or loathe him, Trump is attempting to end this racket.
    maxchugg
    5th Mar 2019
    8:47pm
    Misty, I have been around almost as long as you and you are correct when you say that the climate has changed, it always has, and always will.

    You are also correct in saying that results can be skewed to get any result you want, what can't be skewed is the evidence of your eyes. So, when "climate scientists" make one prediction after another and all fail, how long do they deserve credibility?

    I have mentioned the Maldives which, in 1990, were predicted to be under water by 2000, closely followed by Pacific islands, yet they are all still there. Arctic ice would be gone each summer we were told for several years, it hasn't happened and won't because the North Atlantic is cooling rapidly. The construction of a dam near Brisbane was opposed because it would never fill - it did and Brisbane was flooded when surplus water had to be released, a scenario which has since been repeated in Townsville.

    The predicted absence of rainfall in future required the construction of desalination plants for billions of dollars. Most have not produced a drop of water yet consume many millions of dollars each year in maintenance costs. A rising generation would never see snow, we were told -tell that to the Americans right now. Don't forget the polar bears which were all going to drown, yet they were in sufficient number to recently invade an area of Russia.

    The lies about carbon dioxide polluting the atmosphere have caused Australia's electricity moving from being cheap by comparison with the rest of the world rising to a point where it is amongst the highest. As I have mentioned, the Chief Scientist was asked what difference would be made to the Earth's climate if we completely eliminated all emissions of carbon dioxide and his reply was that the effect would be virtually nothing?

    Misty, if I believed that the pain of enormous power bills was justified in protecting the environment, I would be willing to suffer in silence, but I believe that all we are seeing is an exercise in futility fuelled by opportunism. We now know that last year the US spent over $22 billion in promoting the theory of anthropogenic global warming. Love him or loathe him, Trump is attempting to end this racket.
    Lookfar
    4th Mar 2019
    9:11pm
    Sorry 3rd question who bought us? - a bit more complicated, but really just the same planet detroyers as destroyed Rome, - the etenally greedy thought less idiots.
    musicveg
    5th Mar 2019
    2:26pm
    From the Proudtobepublic.org.au website:
    "We’ve also seen a departmental inquiry into ABC competitive neutrality, anti-ABC deals with Senate crossbenchers, a proliferation of editorial complaints and most recently, the appointment of Ita Buttrose as the new ABC Chair. As we said at the time, notwithstanding the perceived credentials of Ms Buttrose - the established arms-length process for filling ABC Board appointments wasn’t followed, and $160,000 of taxpayer money was essentially put to waste by the Government. The board appointment process was set up to help ensure the independence of the ABC."
    Maxchugg, Ardner,Lookfar and Misty, can we get off the climate change debate here and stick to the topic,sorry but we have debated this many times, I know it is important but we cannot keep going off track on these forums.
    Misty
    5th Mar 2019
    6:19pm
    Anyway I think the ABC topic has been done to death also, time for a new topic.
    Lookfar
    5th Mar 2019
    7:34pm
    I understand, musicveg, that we have gone off topic, but, after 300 posts, does anyone have anything new to say?
    In the meantime, we have a new troll, who I initially had no patience with, but now realise he needs total retraining to live in Australia.
    and he is a denier robot
    I am not sure I have the patience still, hoped someone else might have taken him in hand.
    maxchugg
    5th Mar 2019
    8:08pm
    I presume that I am Lookfar's denier robot who needs retraining to live in Australia. This is a typical attitude of the radical left whose hatred of those who dare to disagree with them, particularly when their opinions are challenged with facts.

    The hatred for those who want the ABC to be compelled to remain neutral and end their illegal, pro left wing promotion is evident in those posts where an inability to defend an indefensible position results in resorting to personal abuse coupled with vilification.

    I have had no need to resort to the tactics off my critics, have not called them traitors, robots, etc., nor have I recommended that they be subjected to the Soviet and Nazi methods of dealing with people they dislike.
    maxchugg
    5th Mar 2019
    8:08pm
    I presume that I am Lookfar's denier robot who needs retraining to live in Australia. This is a typical attitude of the radical left whose hatred of those who dare to disagree with them, particularly when their opinions are challenged with facts.

    The hatred for those who want the ABC to be compelled to remain neutral and end their illegal, pro left wing promotion is evident in those posts where an inability to defend an indefensible position results in resorting to personal abuse coupled with vilification.

    I have had no need to resort to the tactics off my critics, have not called them traitors, robots, etc., nor have I recommended that they be subjected to the Soviet and Nazi methods of dealing with people they dislike.
    Misty
    5th Mar 2019
    11:38pm
    maxchug I don't know if the fault is with your computer but one way to stop the posts showing twice is to click on the F5 key after you press post, and your comment should go through just the one time.
    Celia
    6th Mar 2019
    1:00am
    Think Ita is too old for the post, she will find it too exhausting she is not a 40 year old anymore.
    Celia
    6th Mar 2019
    1:00am
    Think Ita is too old for the post, she will find it too exhausting she is not a 40 year old anymore.
    Ian
    6th Mar 2019
    4:37am
    If you agree feminism (female sexism) is left, then the ABC is extreme left. Many people I engage (in a broad cross-section) strongly disrespect the intense prejudice of the ABC. Ita’s has made it clear she sees no prejudice. Did you notice how she said she’d “fix it” without saying what’s broken.
    ABC will remain the same intolerant media it’s been for the last decade.
    To see how we’ve deteriorated, watch 1980s tv commercials on eBay. Compare them to the new sexist trash we get today. Were we really sexist, or have we become highly sexist? Let’s ask Ita.
    Adrianus
    6th Mar 2019
    8:56am
    I also have those observations Ian.
    If I had a magic wand , I would stop political donations both foreign and domestic. Reduce funding to the ABC by 30% and share that between the political parties.
    ex PS
    6th Mar 2019
    9:58am
    As long as we have organisations like SKY News, we will need the ABC to balance things out. I don't think we will ever see an individual or organisation that is totally unbiased, to expect one to be so is to deliberately set the bar so high as to ensure its failure.
    Ask the commercial stations that are trying to shut down the ABC if they would like to see that organisation compete at the same level, let the ABC compete for their advertising revenue, you will see the biggest back down in modern history.
    Misty
    6th Mar 2019
    10:24am
    As a TELSTRA shareholder, {Telstra is a part owner, along with Murdoch, of Foxtel }, I have written to the CEO of Telstra to complain about the Liberal Coalition wall to wall guests on SKY NEWS chanel. it should be called The Liberal Chanel, not the Election Chanel, which is what they call themselves now.
    Lookfar
    6th Mar 2019
    11:01am
    Max Chugg, by calling you a traiitor I was not abusing you or denigrating you, - if I had called you 'Lizard Turds' i would have done so.
    The word Traitor is a description, - as I assume you are aware, the Liberal Party is controlled by a very tiny group of almost unbelievably wealthy families, called eg the super rich, top end of town, the .01%, who own almost all of the Australian media, (and almost everything else,)including all the television and radio stations except the ABC. This tiny group, (26 families?) hold to a particular 'ideology' - called Neo Liberalism, a name they kept secret for decades, - they believe that virtue and intelligence depends on how much money you have, not how you got it, and they have no interest in Australia except getting our mineral wealth without paying for it or at least paying the minimum, and in any other way extracting our communal and individual wealth for themselves.
    For them, Money is Power, so it suits them to keep Australia, - through their media, docile and servile.
    As they own the American defence industries, they expect Australia to purchase the majority of defence equpment from them, - which the Liberal party obsequiously obliges.
    All this information is common knowledge and easily confirmed on the Internet, they don't care, they have so much power they can't be hurt.
    Because the .001% have no interest or commitment to Australia they are a foreign power, a person who supports the liberal party is supporting a foreign power and helping THEM govern Australia, so they are by definition a Traitor to The Australian People.
    In regards to the ABC, the newspapers, tv programs etc that most people watch are owned lock stock and barrel by this tiny group, who call themselves Wolves, and us Sheep, so basically all our media except the ABC is controlled by a hostile foreign power, only the ABC represents Australia, representing Australia is not some left wing operation, and disputing overseas domination is not communism, it is normal, not jingoistic nationalism.
    Certainly there are people of the Neo-Liberal persuasion in the Labour party also and there are lots of ways the .01% can put pressure on them, but not soul and body like the LNP.
    So to the coal fired power stations, - I sent you comprehensive information from the Australian Power industry that coal fired electricity is and will be more expensive that renewables with batteries, - you ignored it, and defended instead the coal fired power stations and mines owned by the .01% which will make everyday Australians poorer, - whose side are you on? the .01%
    In regards to global warming, which is already severely affecting Australia, burning coal will make it worse, yet you support buning more coal even though it may cause large parts of Australia to be uninhabitable, - which side are you on? the .01% - do you understand now why I descibed you quite clinically as a traitor?
    You justified your stance on global warming despite overwhelming worldwide evidence on some unsupported claim about earlier modelling, I doubt if you would know a climate model if it jumped up and bit you, as they have generally speaking been spot on, sadly, and continue so to be.
    I admit some people interpreted the results too extremely, and that the ability of the oceans to absorb heat was not always factored in strongly enough, - now the oceans are heating up big time and the future of the human race is at risk, - would I not be justified in calling you a traitor to the human race? - that is what the younger generation is calling us !!
    The .01%, with the connivance of their pet, the Liberal party, is so successful in extracting Australia's wealth that we do not have enough to pay our old folk, - yes, you and me, the ones on the pension, to retire comfortably after working all our life for Australia, also there is not enough money for education, so many school leavers are unqualified for surviving in the dismal economic environment, so a whole generation is damaged by these greedy monsters in the .01% (although i do admit, it is even worse in the USA, where most of the .01% "live") further our health industry is underfunded, our generation, which paid 8% of our wages over our whole working life to retire in comfort and security is confronted with huge waiting lists, understaffed hospitals, reducions in Research grants leading to not understood medical problems, - the list goes on and on, and the traitors causing it should be called into account.
    To finish, one of the multinationals, owned by the .01% owns the Age, a 'victorian' newspaper, and has just lost a court case, to the the tune of $180,000. for neglecting and not supporting one of it's journalists involved in multiple years traumatic news gathering, - lift your game, the Age, - but worthy of note, the ABC has just such a Trauma support group for 10 years already. - Good on ya Aunty.
    maxchugg
    6th Mar 2019
    1:40pm
    The dictionary defines the word "traitor" as "a person who is guilty of treason or treachery, in betraying friends, country, a cause or trust, etc." Whichever way you look at it, calling anyone a traitor is denigration of the highest order and highly offensive.

    I find your tirade against the wealthy to be illogical. I am not one of them and probably have a similar attitude to their greed as you do, but, despite the innumerable schemes they have afoot to reduce their contribution to the nation in the form of tax, they still contribute most of the revenue both from their personal incomes and from the businesses they run. Additionally they provide employment, in short we operate under capitalism which seems to have fared well when its alternative, communism has failed in Russia and still enslaves people in China and Korea.

    Your argument about renewables being cheaper than energy sourced from coal does not stand up to scrutiny because, as I have shown elsewhere, countries which rely most on renewables also have the most expensive electricity, as the people of South Australia have discovered and the Victorians are learning. You conveniently overlook the fact that coal is now heavily taxed and renewables are subsidized and still coal is cheaper than renewables. If batteries can be combined with renewables to provide a reliable supply of electricity at a price competitive with that produced by coal which is not handicapped by subsidies on one side and taxes on the other, bring it on!

    You argue that global warming is severely affecting Australia. Yet over a century ago Dorothea described Australia as a country of "droughts and flooding rains." Climate change is an ever present reality, with future global cooling being as likely as warming. In fact, many of the disciples of the current global warming religion previously were warning of global cooling.

    You say I would not know a climate model if it jumped up and bit me, and that predictions have been extremely accurate. I can provide dozens of examples of the predictions made by the models failing to such an extent that guesswork would have provided better results because then they would have been right half of the time. In fact, as I have mentioned elsewhere, a review of the predictions made by the models around the turn of the century has shown them to be wildly inaccurate, and used in reverse they were equally inaccurate.

    You say the oceans are heating up big time - where is your evidence? In fact the North Atlantic is cooling rapidly, which explains why the predictions made ad nauseam by climate scientists that the Arctic would be free of ice in summer within a couple of years were utter garbage. The predictions have had to be adjusted to say that the ice will be gone within a few decades, to give us time to forget their original predictions.

    Much, much more could be written, but facts will fall on deaf ears. However, I remind you of the comments of the Chief Scientist when he was asked what would be the effect on the climate if Australia effectively and completely ended all emissions of carbon dioxide and his answer - "Virtually nothing."

    As for the ABC, if they are as open and honest as you pretend, why did they promote the scam story of over 90% of scientists believing in global warming when the true figure is only a fraction of that number? When the scam was exposed, why did they fail to tell us that 31,487 scientists reacted with a petition which argued that proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment and damage the health and welfare of mankind. Also these scientists argued that there was no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide is causing, or will cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide will produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environment.

    Why was the ABC silent when the emails so damaging to the global warming religion were released? Why has the fact that the polar icecaps on Mars are also melting not been openly discussed? Why - because it is a clear indication that the major cause of the small amount of global warming is more likely to be attributable to solar activity than human activity on earth.
    maxchugg
    6th Mar 2019
    1:40pm
    The dictionary defines the word "traitor" as "a person who is guilty of treason or treachery, in betraying friends, country, a cause or trust, etc." Whichever way you look at it, calling anyone a traitor is denigration of the highest order and highly offensive.

    I find your tirade against the wealthy to be illogical. I am not one of them and probably have a similar attitude to their greed as you do, but, despite the innumerable schemes they have afoot to reduce their contribution to the nation in the form of tax, they still contribute most of the revenue both from their personal incomes and from the businesses they run. Additionally they provide employment, in short we operate under capitalism which seems to have fared well when its alternative, communism has failed in Russia and still enslaves people in China and Korea.

    Your argument about renewables being cheaper than energy sourced from coal does not stand up to scrutiny because, as I have shown elsewhere, countries which rely most on renewables also have the most expensive electricity, as the people of South Australia have discovered and the Victorians are learning. You conveniently overlook the fact that coal is now heavily taxed and renewables are subsidized and still coal is cheaper than renewables. If batteries can be combined with renewables to provide a reliable supply of electricity at a price competitive with that produced by coal which is not handicapped by subsidies on one side and taxes on the other, bring it on!

    You argue that global warming is severely affecting Australia. Yet over a century ago Dorothea described Australia as a country of "droughts and flooding rains." Climate change is an ever present reality, with future global cooling being as likely as warming. In fact, many of the disciples of the current global warming religion previously were warning of global cooling.

    You say I would not know a climate model if it jumped up and bit me, and that predictions have been extremely accurate. I can provide dozens of examples of the predictions made by the models failing to such an extent that guesswork would have provided better results because then they would have been right half of the time. In fact, as I have mentioned elsewhere, a review of the predictions made by the models around the turn of the century has shown them to be wildly inaccurate, and used in reverse they were equally inaccurate.

    You say the oceans are heating up big time - where is your evidence? In fact the North Atlantic is cooling rapidly, which explains why the predictions made ad nauseam by climate scientists that the Arctic would be free of ice in summer within a couple of years were utter garbage. The predictions have had to be adjusted to say that the ice will be gone within a few decades, to give us time to forget their original predictions.

    Much, much more could be written, but facts will fall on deaf ears. However, I remind you of the comments of the Chief Scientist when he was asked what would be the effect on the climate if Australia effectively and completely ended all emissions of carbon dioxide and his answer - "Virtually nothing."

    As for the ABC, if they are as open and honest as you pretend, why did they promote the scam story of over 90% of scientists believing in global warming when the true figure is only a fraction of that number? When the scam was exposed, why did they fail to tell us that 31,487 scientists reacted with a petition which argued that proposed limits on greenhouse gases would harm the environment and damage the health and welfare of mankind. Also these scientists argued that there was no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide is causing, or will cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide will produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environment.

    Why was the ABC silent when the emails so damaging to the global warming religion were released? Why has the fact that the polar icecaps on Mars are also melting not been openly discussed? Why - because it is a clear indication that the major cause of the small amount of global warming is more likely to be attributable to solar activity than human activity on earth.
    Misty
    6th Mar 2019
    2:13pm
    On March 15, school students in 50 countries around the world will go on a strike, to protest that not enough is being done to avoid Climate Change, these young people are the future voters, in all these 50 countries so I hope the pollies of today take notice.
    Lookfar
    6th Mar 2019
    3:24pm
    Hi Max, if you find it highly offensive to be called a traitor, then, easy peasy, stop being one.
    My description against the super rich .01 is not illogical, - as I said it is in the Internet, - Look up neo-Liberal, end of discussion, - and I never said you were wealthy, just that you were going to vote for a party that has sold it's soul, body, mind, socks, and underwear to the .01%, the LNP.
    They have not contributed any more than Australians wee already contributing when they were bought out by these overseas corporations, who never think of anything new, don't pay tax, and take away jobs from well trained Australians. Australia was not a basket case before the yanks arrived, only since.
    The argument that Renewables in Australia are cheaper than coal is true, - you are just too lazy to read it and in fact most countries with considerable renewables have found their electricitiy to be cheaper and more employment created, - case for EG, America, - wind powered electricity $20/megawatt hour, Coal fired, $40;/megawatt hour, Nuclear $60.+/megawatt hour, over 1 third of coal fired electricity now closed down, which leg do you think you are pulling? perhaps your middle one?
    South Australia was overcharged by vengeful gas companies, who sold Australia's gas overseas? - Victoria, - here you had better provide some detail, it sounds nonsense.
    just read the article on the link I sent you, - and btw, none of your links to some american drinking club work, - and as for your hero, piers Corbyn, here he is.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Corbyn#Scientific_papers
    You say that because Australia is a country of droughts and flooding rains, that there can therefore be no difference in how much more drought now, nor bigger flooding rains, and a third component, - temperatures higher than ever recorded that start to kill people, - where did you find that illogic?
    Global Warming was changed to Climate change because ignoramusses like - maybe you? insisted it was cold where they were, - yes Global Warming disturbs the whole balance of the earth's climatological system, some places will get colder, but the average will be warmer, and it is, so showing us the uselessness of pandering to fools, - they will only use it to deny anything.
    Turn of the century models? bring them on, - give working links directly to the models not to some raving nitwit trying to foist his narrow view on the rest of us, or just close your mouth.
    Evidence for ocean temperature rising? - look up the Argo project, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_(oceanography)
    I could perhaps accept that as in one year the ocean surface temperature may be higher of lower, depending on El nino or nina, but underneath, naagh, you are just cherry picking.
    Allan Finkel, the chief scientist, kindly quote in context of full article.
    There is no scam of umpty ump scientists believing in Global Warming 31,487 scientist signing a divergent petition, - sounds like la la land to me, - kindly provide full documentation/links, or apologise for trying to fool us.
    Like wise the ABC being silent.
    The ABC tries to only publish facts, not sensationalistic bullshit that the commercial stations are told to publish by their, (YOUR) masters.
    We are at the end of a long solar decline, only cooling can be attributed to the sun, see - https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

    My kindest conclusion Max is that you have been misled by others due to some wish inside of you to escape the consequences of past mistakes, - this will help no-one, - least of all you, and is about as relevant as the ice caps on Mars melting, - perhaps you got your planets mixed up, Venus has no ice caps, nor water either, the temperature there is over 400 degrees centigrade, the atmosphere is over 98% CARBON DIOXIDE, - such healthy stuff, - many are now speculating that Venus is an example of Runaway Global Warming, is that what you want to bequeath to our future children? - All humans heat death, all animals heat death, all life on earth heat death? - will money save you then? - do you wonder our children call you and those of your ilk, "traitors to our future".
    You waste my time, provide peer reviewed proof or I will not answer you again.
    musicveg
    6th Mar 2019
    4:02pm
    You rock Lookfar! I admire your passion to set things right. Ask a gardener, biologist, oceanographer, or anyone who studies nature and they will agree with you too, it is those on the ground noticing the changes, humans are definitely making the planet unstable and if the new Brazilian president gets his way we are in for more carnage when you opens up and destroys the lungs of the earth, the Amazon. But also there are many positive things happening on the planet too,people and some smaller corporations are not waiting for Governments anymore to fix anything, hopefully we can focus on this more in the future.
    Back to topic on this forum, ITA.......no who cares, she got the job now so hope she does it well.
    maxchugg
    6th Mar 2019
    8:40pm
    Let's inject a little honesty into your attack on the super rich which must be correct because it is in the internet! But the internet also says that the upper 50% of wage earners pay 97% of all tax collections.

    Victoria has trebled royalties on coal, subsidies on solar energy have decreased, but the market is skewed to favour renewable over coal. The following chart shows what the effect has been upon electricity prices in Australia since the shift to renewable has occurred:
    https://www.leadingedgeenergy.com.au/highest-electricity-prices-world/

    By the way, I am all in favour of renewables and have had solar panels for over 10 years. My problem is that at present they are not cost effective and not reliable. “We can’t forget that a lot of this debate about electricity prices is being driven by one important factor — the need to reduce carbon emissions and keep global warming to 2 degrees.”

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/why-higher-electricity-prices-are-inevitable/news-story/042712e35c08bf798ed993d13ee573ea

    At this point I remind you that you expect me to provide proof in support of every statement I make, while you put your opinions as a matter of fact without any supportive evidence, for example, that Victoria sold Australia’s gas overseas. What this has to do with the price of electricity in South Australia is not explained, nor is there any support for this statement. In fact I agree that the sale of our gas to Asia was irresponsible, disgraceful conduct.

    You say in your usual discourteous manner that global warming was changed to climate change because of ignoramuses like me. In fact, the name was changed because it was realized that climate change is an ever present reality, global warming was not happening.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/4029837/Global-warming-Reasons-why-it-might-not-actually-exist.html

    Your reference to the Wikipedia article on Piers Corbyn does him no harm other than pointing out that he votes Labor. Numerous other articles which you have chosen to ignore, give him considerable credibility.

    The IPCC’s computer models are flawed, they do not work for predicting and they also do not work when used in reverse. I checked this out on the internet, so it must be right. ON one page I found the following site plus at least 20 more all expressing the same opinion:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/05/benchmarking-ipccs-warming-predictions/

    Evidence for ocean temperature cooling? I have chosen an article from The Guardian because it is most likely to be skeptical, there were plenty of others:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/24/drastic-cooling-north-atlantic-beyond-worst-fears-scientists-warn

    You can see and hear the Chief Scientist make the comments I attributed to him here:

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1343186319100574

    Finally, who said anything about Venus? I commented that the polar ice caps on MARS were melting, Also, I am aware that the icecaps on Mars are made of carbon dioxide, not water.

    Finally, I note that you have not attempted to explain why the ABC will only tell stories that favour the radical left wing bias. For example, they trumpeted the opinion that over 90% of scientists believed in climate change when the survey which was used to obtain this figure was so flawed that it angered 31,487 other scientists who then petitioned the government to rebut the claims being made. As you say that sounds like la la land to you, certainly a persuasive argument because who could reasonably doubt that your knowledge is greater than that of 31,487 scientists, 9029 with Phds. Here is the link you demanded:

    http://www.petitionproject.org/
    maxchugg
    6th Mar 2019
    8:40pm
    Let's inject a little honesty into your attack on the super rich which must be correct because it is in the internet! But the internet also says that the upper 50% of wage earners pay 97% of all tax collections.

    Victoria has trebled royalties on coal, subsidies on solar energy have decreased, but the market is skewed to favour renewable over coal. The following chart shows what the effect has been upon electricity prices in Australia since the shift to renewable has occurred:
    https://www.leadingedgeenergy.com.au/highest-electricity-prices-world/

    By the way, I am all in favour of renewables and have had solar panels for over 10 years. My problem is that at present they are not cost effective and not reliable. “We can’t forget that a lot of this debate about electricity prices is being driven by one important factor — the need to reduce carbon emissions and keep global warming to 2 degrees.”

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/why-higher-electricity-prices-are-inevitable/news-story/042712e35c08bf798ed993d13ee573ea

    At this point I remind you that you expect me to provide proof in support of every statement I make, while you put your opinions as a matter of fact without any supportive evidence, for example, that Victoria sold Australia’s gas overseas. What this has to do with the price of electricity in South Australia is not explained, nor is there any support for this statement. In fact I agree that the sale of our gas to Asia was irresponsible, disgraceful conduct.

    You say in your usual discourteous manner that global warming was changed to climate change because of ignoramuses like me. In fact, the name was changed because it was realized that climate change is an ever present reality, global warming was not happening.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/4029837/Global-warming-Reasons-why-it-might-not-actually-exist.html

    Your reference to the Wikipedia article on Piers Corbyn does him no harm other than pointing out that he votes Labor. Numerous other articles which you have chosen to ignore, give him considerable credibility.

    The IPCC’s computer models are flawed, they do not work for predicting and they also do not work when used in reverse. I checked this out on the internet, so it must be right. ON one page I found the following site plus at least 20 more all expressing the same opinion:

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/05/benchmarking-ipccs-warming-predictions/

    Evidence for ocean temperature cooling? I have chosen an article from The Guardian because it is most likely to be skeptical, there were plenty of others:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/24/drastic-cooling-north-atlantic-beyond-worst-fears-scientists-warn

    You can see and hear the Chief Scientist make the comments I attributed to him here:

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1343186319100574

    Finally, who said anything about Venus? I commented that the polar ice caps on MARS were melting, Also, I am aware that the icecaps on Mars are made of carbon dioxide, not water.

    Finally, I note that you have not attempted to explain why the ABC will only tell stories that favour the radical left wing bias. For example, they trumpeted the opinion that over 90% of scientists believed in climate change when the survey which was used to obtain this figure was so flawed that it angered 31,487 other scientists who then petitioned the government to rebut the claims being made. As you say that sounds like la la land to you, certainly a persuasive argument because who could reasonably doubt that your knowledge is greater than that of 31,487 scientists, 9029 with Phds. Here is the link you demanded:

    http://www.petitionproject.org/
    Lookfar
    7th Mar 2019
    1:45pm
    Max Chugg, I appreciate that you have actually posted links to back-up your points, this time,
    Although the quality or relevance of many of them are questionable.
    Starting from the bottom, the petition signed by 30 odd thousand scientists, - turns out there are a lot of scientists in America, - not surprisingly, about a million, so that petition is signed by 3%, and there is no reliable verification that they are all or even half scientists, and most of them don't work on Climate, - whatever, here is an analysis, https://skepticalscience.com/scrutinising-31000-scientists-in-the-OISM-Petition-Project.html
    Previous point, that the ABC articles are seen by you to have left wing bias, - that has already in this discussion been completely answered, - firstly, that from the point of view of the .01% and all those controlled by the .01% - called the far right by some, any point of view bar their own seems to be left wing.
    The answer is for you to start looking beyond that lunatic fringe, and discover the far broader landscape of Australian beliefs.
    Secondly, that far right position, because it is generated by the .01% and promulgated by their lackeys, is not actually an Australian position at all, but rather just propaganda from an extremely small group of greedy till the death people mainly living in America.
    In other words,it is subversion, not an opinion at all.
    Venus/Mars, - the melting of carbon dioxide at the poles of mars is not worthy of comment, the Martian poles are mainly flaky ice - H20, Mars has such an extreme tilt that the poles are sometimes warmer than the equator, and it worthy of note that mars is the closest to earth it has ever been, so currently receiving more solar input than usual.
    so if you want to talk CO2, venus is a better example, - much more relevant, as that may be where we are going and you could be a bit more mature and face that possibility.
    Possibly the only real point to make about Mars is it's high hostility to humans living on it and even if the .01% - after they have stuffed up the Earth, have the money to build spaceships and go there to live, it is going to be a miserable and diminishing future. However, as proved by the super rich in Rome deciding they wanted their money more than paying the Army, leading to Rome being destroyed by the first wandering german tribe passing by, Greed is stupid, - suicidally stupid in fact.
    looking at your temperature graphs Wutts Up being your favourite, the argument is not that the planet is not warming, but that it is not warming as fast as the models predict, - ignoring that it arbitrarily selects particular years to set the example, (called cherry picking) the graph is in degrees Kelvin, but the commentary glibly calls it Centigrade, is that science or ignorance?
    These pseudo graphs are just wasting my time, - I would like you to go to https://skepticalscience.com, - on the top left you will see a list of Common Climate Myths, underneath it opens to All. please check out any of these Denier claims you have before posting them on YLC, - you will save me precious time and yourself looking foolish.
    Checked your article on electricity prices, - Victoria South Australa etc, it is dated 2013, - When the Pylons crashed (pic of crashed pylon at top of your article, Caused by what is called an East Coast Low, but should be called a Sub Tropical Cyclone) the Liberal party blamed the Renewables, why? because they could. Subsequently the renewable were found not to be to blame, but the East Coast low, - that windspeed was not planned for in the transmission towers, - no wind turbines blew over however, the wind turbines were turned off by the grid controllers. Subsequently I wrote a submission to the Finkel report, with several suggestions as to what could be done, - several of which now have been done and more planned. On the basis of my submission Mr Shorten and a Liberal minister flew down to inspect an Australian company possessing the technical equipment to implement some of my suggestions, - Obviously my submission was well received and I was then invited to submit to the NEG, the which i did, with a vision or a totally renewable electricity system in Australia, which has been circulated far and wide but Mr Turnbull was turfed out so the NEG is in limbo.
    I can see my ideas percolating through the higher echelons of the electic power industry in Oz however.
    However, if you care to send me your email address, to my email wind@iig.com.au I will return you a copy.
    Back to Mr Finkel, in your video, the fat one on the left had asked him what dfference would Australia halving or eliminating it'semissions make, - well, Australia has a tiny population , so sfa, however about 50 of the countries around the world have a similiar carbon emission percentage, so if they all pulled their weight, that would be half the world emissions stopped. - many a Mickle makes a Muckle.
    This point was well discussed on YLC before you were involved, and most people seemed to think that for Australia to just sit on it's backside and do nothing, lacked moral fibre and would set a bad example, where would we be if Australia had not entered WW2?
    Cries of Too Expensive, well all be rooned, have proved just alamists, the AEMO has announced that this year electricity whole sale prices will go down due the coming on line of substantial Solar and Wind power. - sent you that link before, but just in case, https://reneweconomy.com.au/csiro-aemo-study-says-wind-solar-and-storage-clearly-cheaper-than-coal-45724/?
    Subsequent to that and based on it I am finishing a submission the the Green New Deal in America, the heartland of the .01%, who of course are exceedingly alarmed that their sales of coal are being reduced, of course the rest of us can all die, - nothing must stop them getting still more and more money.
    Can’t you see how the .01% determine LNP policy in Australia?
    So, we are now up to your first paragraph, where you feel honesty lies in the richer people paying half the tax, - well that was then anyway, I don't think the top ten biggest companies in Australia paying no tax had quite trickled through..
    Looked at your 'Leading Edge" link, nothing new there, The Eastern Australian grid due to a foolish Govt grant idea, gold-plated the 'poles and wires', there have been many re-runs of that information, unfortunately it was just at the time demand had fallen, and due to those prices has fallen again, sometimes Bureaucracies do some pretty stupid things too, I believe most of the department heads etc involved have been replaced, however no doubt had wonderful golden handshakes, - can't blame the .01% for that one. South Australia,as we both agree, has the highest price because it has only Gas for back-up when the cheap wind is not blowing, but as I said earlier I have proposed a way to fix that, - actually you might be able to see it on this link, https://www.energycentral.com/c/gr/vision-australian-energy-grid%C2%A0
    That is on my american site of Energy Central, - you may not be able to get in if not a member so I will leave the other offer in place.
    Cheers,
    Geoff. (Lookfar)