18th Jul 2012
FONT SIZE: A+ A-
Casino to ban pensioners
Casino to ban pensioners

At a press conference yesterday Clive Palmer said that the casino onboard his planned cruise ship would not allow pensioners to enter.

Clive Palmer has unveiled the first designs for his new cruise ship, the Titanic II. The ship is to be a modern replica of the original Titanic, with added safety features. At the press conference he said that third-class ticket holders would be screened before being allowed into the casino and pensioners would be banned entirely.

“We’ll be in international waters, so we can probably stop pensioners from coming without breaching any legislation,” Mr Palmer said. “We’ll only locate the casino in first class probably, so we should be able to segregate.”

And the reason he gave for banning pensioners from his casino?

“…we need to protect and respect people who have given a lot of service to this country and make sure we don’t act positively to impoverish them later.”

Comment – Big-hearted Clive Palmer

Clive Palmer has revealed plans to build a cruise ship designed to segregate the classes. He then intends to humiliate those travelling in third class by subjecting them to financial checks before they can enter certain areas of the ship. And on top of that he’s going to ban pensioners from the casino altogether. But, apparently, it is all being done for the good of the pensioners. By banning them from the casino Mr Palmer is just showing that he cares. Thanks, Clive.

It’s good to know that somebody is thinking of the little people. The people who, because of age or financial situation, are obviously incapable of any self-restraint whatsoever. Pensioners are known, by-and-large, to mortgage their houses and sell their (overgrown) firstborns at the first jangle of a pokie machine. It’s as though they aren’t even really people.

Can anyone see a problem with this picture?

When questioned about his comments, Clive Palmer’s response was “I love pensioners. My closest relations are pensioners.” I don’t know about you, but if I was a multi-billionaire I’m not sure I’d be advertising the fact that my closest relations were on the pension. What happened to sharing the love (and wealth) around?

But perhaps I am judging too harshly. What do you think? Is Clive Palmer really a white-knight in disguise? Is he saving pensioners from themselves, or is he simply an ageist rich man who can’t remember the last time he had to budget to pay his energy bill?

You can read more about this issue at the Brisbane Times website





    COMMENTS

    To make a comment, please register or login
    Nan Norma
    18th Jul 2012
    11:54am
    Have a missed something here. I didn't know the Titanic ever had pokie machines on board. I mean he did say it was a replica, didn't he?
    Seems the same snobbery will be on board the ship this time as it was in the past. And if the ships gets into trouble it will be 1st class passengers in the lifeboats first.
    Oh spare me Clive, I don't want to go on your ship even if you offered me a free passage.
    fpbsix
    18th Jul 2012
    12:51pm
    maybe i have missed what he is saying, because if a pensioner can afford a cruise than maybe they have saved enough to play the pokies,or whatever else they want to do .
    Histoman
    18th Jul 2012
    3:37pm
    Surely this is an invasion of privacy !!
    VICMT
    18th Jul 2012
    12:00pm
    Maybe pensioners and 3rd class pasengers also will get locked below if there is an emergency and not be able to access lifeboats - and face being shot if they try to force their way up!?
    mitchella51
    18th Jul 2012
    12:04pm
    Clive is making the biggest gamble of his life ! He obviously does not take a good look around when he is on a cruise. If it were not for "PENSIONERS" (SENIORS) there would be a lot less cruise passengers.
    Histoman
    18th Jul 2012
    3:36pm
    You've hit the nail on the head, Mitchell. I've been on cruises, and yes , the majority of the passengers are pensioners/ retirees who have the money for these.
    Grateful
    18th Jul 2012
    12:05pm
    That's what Clive Palmer, THE MAJOR supporter of the Liberal Party, thinks of pensioners!!
    How is that for a condescending, superior, arrogant, rebuff of all pensioners??
    Typical of the same attitude that most Liberal governments have imposed upon pensioners over many years. Expect more of the same if Tony Abbott becomes P.M. as pensioners will never see any additional support from him while he puts all of his (our) money under the mattress as John Howard did for 11 years.
    Nan Norma
    18th Jul 2012
    12:08pm
    Grateful, its a no win situation which ever party gets in.
    goldseeker
    21st Jul 2012
    10:37am
    Hey, we ain't getting much from the present Labour Government so hands off the Libs....they are not in power.
    PlanB
    18th Jul 2012
    12:08pm
    I think he is a creep to have stated this--and like you say--he said-- "his closest Relatives are pensioners" -- if they are that close surely with is money he would be helping them out--I know most would.

    I am sure there are a lot on the pension that are willing to save very hard for a trip--and good luck to them--sounds like he is a bloody snob to me--and as far as I am concerned even if I had enough money he can stick his ship.

    Can you imagine if he gets into Politics--we will be the last on his list !

    I think most of these mining magnets are the same --care about money and thats all no matter at what cost to others or the country
    Histoman
    18th Jul 2012
    3:39pm
    Remember what Gordon gecko said : "greed is good "11
    PlanB
    18th Jul 2012
    12:10pm
    That's what Clive Palmer, THE MAJOR supporter of the Liberal Party, thinks of pensioners!!
    How is that for a condescending, superior, arrogant, rebuff of all pensioners??
    Typical of the same attitude that most Liberal governments have imposed upon pensioners over many years. Expect more of the same if Tony Abbott becomes P.M. as pensioners will never see any additional support from him while he puts all of his (our) money under the mattress as John Howard did for 11 years.

    ++++++++++++++

    You are dead right there too Grateful
    Barbara Mathieson
    18th Jul 2012
    12:20pm
    How I hate that term Pensioners!
    Please call me a Senior!
    I have some quite wealthy friends who are on a part pension so what catergory do they fall into!
    Nan Norma
    18th Jul 2012
    12:24pm
    People over 50 are often regarded as seniors, but of course they are usually still working so therefore are not pensions. Some places give discounts for seniors but not pensioners. And you can still be a pensioner but not a senior.
    Grateful
    18th Jul 2012
    12:57pm
    Maybe that's another story Barbara? Should "quite wealthy" people be getting ANY pension??
    Another of John Howard's election carrots with the huge tax benefits for superannuation for millionaires. Maybe if those quite wealthy people did the right thing and did not accept the pension, more could be distributed to the genuine needy for whom pension were originally designed to assist??
    Nan Norma
    18th Jul 2012
    3:05pm
    Then lets start with the politicians.
    Wendy HK
    18th Jul 2012
    12:31pm
    This has GOT to be tongue in cheek!
    Clive Palmer is not a fool and I believe he has baited the hook and made the cast to see how many "bites" he gets. Gottcha all talkin' hasn't it, eh!
    Annie
    19th Jul 2012
    2:09pm
    I really agree with Wendy's remark. If you had listened carefully to the whole "speech" if this is what you call it, it was definitely tongue in cheek to see how many bites he got and boy oh boy, he surely got a lot!!!!!!
    janell279
    18th Jul 2012
    12:36pm
    Yes definitely a joke, just to get a response!! This cannot be true!! Yes the word Pensioners should be deleted and replaced with "The Wise Ones"
    MAC22
    18th Jul 2012
    12:52pm
    Good comment janell279. I think the Liberals are tryingto place this man at a long distance, as he may be not a genuine person and wouldn't win many votes anyway. I thought discrimination was unlawful in OZ. He in my opinion appears to love to strut and put his overgrown chest out, and has absolutely no feelings for any one other than himself it seems. If he has said this in regards to "pensioners" he will virtually have almost no customers, and may lose his money on this one.
    He appears to be a person who I personally would not like to be associated with.
    Barbara Mathieson
    18th Jul 2012
    12:53pm
    And anyway us 'pensioners' are actually quite intelligent!
    We will find a loophole if we want to ' join in'
    PlanB
    18th Jul 2012
    12:59pm
    He was also a great friend of Joe B-and Hancock--and the likes--so that alone says it all--he was also a real estate salesman
    lauren
    18th Jul 2012
    1:40pm
    ofcourse it's tongue in cheek, you can get the media to print anything, media are not known for integrity or wisdom , however, so many times I've seen pensioners spending up big at the casino, and then complain that the government doesn't give enough. People who have problems in life with priorities and finances, turn into pensioners with problems in priorities and finances.
    coralm
    18th Jul 2012
    2:12pm
    I hope he enjoys his cruise liner, I certainly won't be joining him - he obviously doesn't need my money!!

    He likes to stir up controversy and discussion, don't you agree?

    Cora, Cooma
    piklo
    18th Jul 2012
    2:22pm
    gooday people
    I worked like most of the people of my age (65 plus ) and have paid taxes and worked bloody hard the one thing I cannot stand is class distiction you are a snob and a arsehole clive and should be ashamed of yourself for makeing such a statement we are all equel in the eyes of god
    Ozetwo
    18th Jul 2012
    3:11pm
    He should really forget about the Titanic and look after the LNP which is already starting to list badly.
    Histoman
    18th Jul 2012
    3:44pm
    If the Chinese build this ship with the same degree of safety that they have put into their cars, well ----- I shan't go on it, but hold on, I'm a pensioner/senior, I would only be allowed in certain areas of the ship. Thank god for P&O
    Kevie from Buderim
    18th Jul 2012
    3:33pm
    I am sure that Mr Palmer is a very nice man but I cannot decide whether he bears a better likeness to the Titanic (for it's unfortunate demise) or the iceberg (for it's unfortunate size).
    Alas... time will tell.
    Rachel Tyler Jones
    19th Jul 2012
    12:37pm
    Kevie, your rhyme had everyone over at the YOURLifeChoices office laughing. Thanks for brightening the afternoon :)
    slapsy
    18th Jul 2012
    3:40pm
    I am going to treat this with the respect it deserves.I will delete it.It's a shame that Palmer can't go with it.
    lasaboy
    18th Jul 2012
    3:55pm
    Just means I would not bother to go on it, I hate snobbery and bigotry of any sort
    Pass the Ductape
    18th Jul 2012
    4:05pm
    'the majority of the passengers are pensioners/ retirees who have the money for these.'
    So says 'histoman'.......

    Any pensioner or retiree who has the loot to board a ship and go on a cruise at the price Clive intends to charge, let alone gamble, certainly wouldn't be a friend of Centrelink. Good on you Clive - I approve of your moves to retain a balance !
    Nan Norma
    18th Jul 2012
    4:50pm
    $80,000 1st class I believe.
    evilmonk
    18th Jul 2012
    4:45pm
    Look at the free advertising he has received. Chances are only first class passengers were ever going to be allowed in there, but say you are going to discriminate against a targeted group and look at how much this will have saved him on his advertising budget.
    As he said, it's probably going to be in first class - so look at it this way - the riffraff will be confined to first class and ripped off in the casino, and it will save the regular people (2nd and 3rd class) the trouble of needing to see up the noses that are pointed far into the air. Should make the cruise far more enjoyable ;)
    toot2000
    18th Jul 2012
    4:48pm
    The media refer to Palmer as ‘the eccentric millionaire’ but the correct way to describe him is ‘nut job’. He’s reverted to the good old days of the real Titanic where people were segregated into three classes, first, second and peasant class, the rich got off first, then a few from second class and the peasants all drowned. He said third class ticket holders could be screened before being allowed into the casino and pensioners would be barred entirely. Thanks Mr Palmer for making old aged pensioners feel like a third class peasants.
    Kevie from Buderim
    18th Jul 2012
    4:56pm
    Hello there Mr Palmer
    I'm an Aussie too
    perhaps a little older
    and not as rich as you.

    When you count your money
    look around and see
    The ore that you are selling
    also belongs to me

    So when you grab the headlines
    with not a lot of thought
    just think about the country
    for which our diggers fought
    Bethina
    21st Jul 2012
    10:23am
    Love it Kevie - well prosed!
    Abe
    18th Jul 2012
    5:14pm
    Good onya! Kevie. I think this cruise ship should be shoved up Palmer where the Sun doesn't shine, without the use of KY and the propellors twirling at high speed!!!!! What an ignorant, arrogant git! Hope it sinks before anyone boards it.
    angel66
    18th Jul 2012
    11:19pm
    Speaking about us Seniors/Pensioners like that, hmmmmm, perhaps he will jonah himself never to get to our age hahaha.. (as the Titanic)! I have seen so much already in my nearly 71 years!! watch it Clive, you are walking on eggshells. ( I have been on 7 cruises and love the Casino).
    jfs43
    19th Jul 2012
    8:40am
    "People must be protected from themselves" What a lot of hooey...its about time everyone started taking responsibilty for their own actions. If anyone wants to gamble away their money then thats their own lookout.
    Pass the Ductape
    19th Jul 2012
    2:06pm
    Yes - but then they'd be straight down to Centrelink crying poor, to make a claim that the rest of the community has to pay for!
    nevardo
    19th Jul 2012
    9:17am
    Clive Palmer; seems he has everything in hand..//..
    Joybells
    19th Jul 2012
    4:02pm
    Clive certainly got heaps of free publicity with this statement he has made. I have been on lovely cruises a few times and admit I am an older Australian on a lower income. i mixed freely with millionaires and saw no sign of this snobbery. Yet I do believe on the QE2 there are two classes when it comes to choice of dining rooms. You need to show your dining pass to eat in a couple of the elete dining areas and if on cheaper class cabins you cannot eat there.So class distinction already exists on some cruise ships -but not like Mr Palmer stated in his tongue in cheek statement
    Abe
    20th Jul 2012
    1:48am
    DUCTAPE... You really do not sound like a pensioner. I don't think you realise that we don't get any extra money if we spend our pittance quickly. Centrelink is not a bail-out fund. Once we have spent it its gone until next pension day!!
    Pass the Ductape
    20th Jul 2012
    8:26am
    Have no doubts about my being a pensioner Abe!
    My comment was due to a concern I had, about how a 'pensioner' might be able to afford a trip on Clive’s boat in the first instance. Even though I receive the aged pension, I don't consider myself too bad off - but as for taking a trip on Clive’s floating casino; that's never going to be within my grasp!
    Yes it's true that people should have the right to spend their money how they wish, but I doubt your 'pittance' (as you have described it) would be enough to afford the fare on a boat trip, designed wholly to take a lot more from your pocket than the initial high-priced fare. If otherwise, then I don’t consider any person of this persuasion should have the right to front up to Centrelink and demand the tax-payer continue to support them.
    The aged pension is only designed to put food in your mouth, a roof over your head and clothes on your back - not to provide a means to travel the world aboard a cruise ship spending up large on blackjack!
    I think Mr Palmer has a good understanding of that.
    Abby
    20th Jul 2012
    6:39am
    Clive Palmer is a clever operator - already he is getting free publicity for his venture.
    pate
    20th Jul 2012
    2:29pm
    I seem to be hearing a lot about Clive Palmer & his stupid ideas lately I thought he was running in the next election? Well I would not vote for him as he can get along without the pensioners presumably and I may add that he can stick his cruise where the sun doesn't shine.
    robby
    20th Jul 2012
    7:20pm
    Isn't it strange? Palmer sounds awfully like that Australian Poker machine Politician Andrew Wilkie. The only difference is that Palmer is a self made billionaire & Wilkie collects around $200,000 P/A for attempting to discriminate against gambling pensioners. Palmer should be ashamed of himself, making all that money without putting his snout in the trough.
    Bethina
    21st Jul 2012
    10:18am
    I'm a Senior and self-made millionaire and have been on some great cruises. I wouldn't go on the Titanic II now if I was given a bagful of chips!
    goldseeker
    21st Jul 2012
    10:34am
    I am a pensioner and I love cruising. Me thinks the Titanic 11 has already sunk........any survivors? Please, do not send me free tickets, it would be a waste of postage.........
    wscifers
    22nd Jul 2012
    6:52pm
    I think Clive is right. The results I get from the local club's poker machines make me sick enough, without throwing sea sickness into the mix as well.
    gustacian
    23rd Jul 2012
    4:20pm
    I for one like his comment - at least that way we wont be joining any of the losers on the boat parting with their money.
    kino
    24th Jul 2012
    1:21pm
    Best thing ever!!! Look at all the savings! Hope the butchers do the same. Between not gambling (now called gaming???) being vegetarian and not consuming anything with dairy in it we can comfortably get by on the age pension. We don't need to see doctors, chiro's or chemists either.
    Barbara Mathieson
    24th Jul 2012
    5:17pm
    tell Mr Palmer it is bad luck to name a ship after one that has already sunk
    Great granny
    24th Jul 2012
    6:06pm
    Mr Palmer is NOT a self-made millionaire, he made his money with the ore that WE all own and possibly all the old pensioners that he now looks down on helped him to mine it!!! I watched Australian Story one night on ABC and he seems a nice enough bloke, I'd like to think that his comments are tongue-in-cheek if not I feel I've been conned!!!!! Lots of people are pensioners for one reason or another not just no-hopers, some have cared for sick partners, some have ill health - the list goes on. I've met some very important, well-off people in my time and they are the most pretentious people you could ever meet, give me a lovely, caring old-age pensioner any time............
    PS Why would any old-age pensioner with pride get on that ship?


    Join YOURLifeChoices, it’s free

    • Receive our daily enewsletter
    • Enter competitions
    • Comment on articles