Chicken shops and the citizenship fiasco, bizarre new twist

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The citizenship crisis, which has already claimed the scalps of Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce and four other senators, shows no signs of stopping, with the story taking a bizarre twist surrounding Liberal MP John Alexander.

Details emerged last week suggesting both Alexander and the Government’s energy minister Josh Frydenberg may hold dual citizenship.

In a bizarre twist, the ABC’s 7.30 program reported on Tuesday night that Mr Alexander had entered a chicken shop near his electorate office a few days ago to ask a local Justice of the Peace to witness him signing some documents.

“He briefly said to me it’s about the citizenship fiasco and all this,” George Dib told the program.

“He also said to me, look, as far as he’s concerned, his father came here as an infant. Really, Mr Alexander, to me, he’s a true blue Aussie.”

Labor’s leader in the Senate, Penny Wong, has demanded that Mr Alexander’s case be brought before the High Court, after it was alleged that he inherited British citizenship from his father.

Mr Alexander’s situation appears similar to that of Barnaby Joyce and Fiona Nash, who were disqualified by the High Court; and Stephen Parry, who resigned in the knowledge he would also be ruled ineligible.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and opposition leader Bill Shorten will meet today to work out the details of a disclosure motion to compel politicians to provide details of their citizenship status.

“I think the system of voluntary disclosure with obviously very heavy penalties, political penalties and personal reputational penalties if people conceal things or don’t disclose things honestly; I think that works and I think it will work well here,” Mr Turnbull told ABC Radio on Tuesday.

Opinion: Forget an audit, we need a new election

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s proposed citizenship disclosure legislation to try and deal with the unfolding crisis around the election of ineligible candidates is a farce.

Relying on the honesty of politicians is what has got us into this mess in the first place. Politicians are already asked to sign a statement, confirming their citizenship status when they fill out their candidate form, and it is increasingly apparent they are unable to meet this requirement.

Mr Turnbull’s proposal places the level of the offences on par with complying with the register of pecuniary interests. Members of parliament break these guidelines frequently, with little more than a slap on the wrist as penalty.

Citizenship breaches require more than a slap on the wrist; they require immediate expulsion from Parliament.

Labor’s backflip last week, calling for a complete audit of all MPs is a step in the right direction, but surely now that the crisis continues to grow, the only real solution to the problem is a new election.

Now that so many members of parliament are under question we should be questioning the validity of many of the laws that have been passed since the last election.

The Government’s slim majority is already at risk. If John Alexander is found to have held dual citizenship, there will be a by-election in his marginal Sydney seat of Bennelong, which could change the balance of power in the House of Representatives.

What do you think? Do you think a complete citizenship audit is necessary? Would you like to see a new election to settle the matter for good? Would you like to see a referendum on section 44 of the Constitution?

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    10% marginal??

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    We are currently sailing in a Rudd-erless ship and what we desperately is a Leader in Canberra

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      What’s all this fuss about not being an Australian Citizen and sitting in Parliament.

      Our Head of State is not even an Australian. She’s British!

      And because we are part of a monarchy, we don’t get to decide who that Head of State is.

      How can we keep chucking out MPs with dual citizenship when our head of state isn’t even a citizen at all?

      A new head of state is inevitable within a few years – but an Australian head of state is not inevitable.

      If we don’t do anything, we get King Charles.

      And what is he? Half Greek, and some German.

      Will he denounce his Greek Citizenship before becoming our next head of state?

      Not Likely!

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      So let’s get rid of the Monarchy out of Australian politics and replace the Queen with the Australian of the Year. Then we can keep the Westminster system without having to jump through ridiculous wedge politics of a referendum to choose what type of a Republic we want.

      The referendum could ask:
      Q 1) Do you want the Head of State to be an Australian? Yes or No.
      Q 2) If Yes, who?
      – a) Australian of the Year.
      – b) The Governor General.
      – c) Bozo the Clown.
      – d) None of the above.
      Q 3) If No, who?:
      – a) the reigning Monarch of England.
      – b) Bozo the foreign Clown.
      – c) Bozo the foreign Clown’s daughter.
      – d) None of the above.

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      Bring on the Republic, and sever our ties with the Pommie Parasites.

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    Just wait for the dominos to start falling in the Labor party as well.

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      The it will be ‘they need to go’. Now it is ‘not us’.

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      Not sure about that OG. I’m also wondering if the sales of our assets to foreigners by a government of dual citizens might not need a good looking at as well. It could explain a lot about the treasonous appearing sell out going on.

      I’ve my doubts about Abbott as well.

      It isn’t really hard to complete heritage searches these days and most birth, marriage and death certificates are digitalised.

      Maybe the government could subscribe to Heretige.com or similar and hire someone trained to search each politicians heritage back two or three generations.

      You’d swear they imagine the internet doesn’t exist. Sigh!

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      I suspect you are looking for 2 words to explain the why: arrogance and contempt.

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      Yes Mick, arrogance and contempt describes Shorten, Wong, Plibersek and many more precisely. What a pity Albanese was not elected leader of the party, he had the majority of the rank and file vote but the unions wanted their brown nosed boy shortkick instead so as per usual they got all of the say.

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      @Rae – Groper-mouth Abbott is the worst PM we’ve ever had. Any excuse to get that maggot out of parliament should be embraced wholeheartedly.

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      I think Abbott was born in England and came here as a child. If Australia could unload him from Parliament it would be great news for Labor, LNP and the Greens.

      Abbott is the biggest liar in our political history. In his desperation to beat Gillard, he promised not to cut education, health, the ABC and SBS in the last week of the election campaign. As soon as he was elected, yep, you guessed it, he announced cuts to education, health, the ABC and SBS (among other broken promises).

      These people have no shame – lying is their game.

      This morning, Turnbull accused Shorten OF DELAYING THE DUAL CITIZENSHIP SAGA!!! Shorten proposed to bring the whole thing forward to early December, so as not to waste taxpayer dollars by having to extend Parliament sitting late in December, as Turnbull is proposing. What a hide! Of course the real reason is so that Barnaby Joyce can win his by-election and retain his seat, before other LNP MP’s are ousted, TO RETAIN A MAJORITY IN THE PARLIAMENT. They presume people are stupid enough to believe them and I’m afraid they might be right.

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      @Janran “Abbott is the biggest liar in our political history.”

      Not quite. That’d be the lying Rodent “Honest” (ha!) John Howard – the second-worst PM in Australian history.

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      Yes, DrPolymath, Howard was a genius liar as well, and a lot smarter about his lies than was Abbott.

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    This is turning into a farce. I know and accept that the High Court has made a ruling but as far as I’m concerned, if someone is born in Australia and hasn’t sought citizenship from another nation then they are Australian. It would be ironic if one of the MP’s who claim Aboriginality was to discover a British grandparent and therefore become ineligible as that would make them a British citizen.

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      I’m already waiting for that one.

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      I agree OM. The fix is CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION. You might want to ponder why the current dictatorship will run a marriage equality postal vote wasting $120 million of taxpayer money but refuses to fix a glaring issue which all of us would agree to. Tagging this sort of referendum onto the next election would appear the way to keep costs low but unlikely this bunch are up to fixing anything.

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      The “current dictatorship”.
      MICK, why are you so juvenile?

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      Old Man,
      You do not become a Brtish Citizen if you have a grand parent born in England. If you have a parent born then you have the right to apply. It is not automatic. However if your parent registered you, it is upto you to denounce it.
      I have not seen how Alexander became to think he was, but very much think it may be the latter of my info.
      If that is so then it is obvious the audit system has failed. I also understand that who ever does the security check on all poloticians are not being diligent.
      If you sign a stat dec to say all the information you give to those checking on your security is true and correct and it is not, then its time for the AFP to lay perjury charges.

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      Roy: you need to listen to the rhetoric and look at the agenda before you push the wagon of the current bad bad government. Pretty obvious isn’t it.

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      What some people fail to see is that the constitution was written to protect us the people from unsavory politicians from passing laws against our will.

      A lot of people say that if borne in Aussie then he/she is true blue.

      If a part of the constitution is outdated then us the people are the only ones that can agree to delete it or replace it. Until that happens then it stays. whatever anyone says.

      It should also be noted that today unsavory foreign governments could slip in “sleepers” just like the communists did.

      So beware what you get rid of without some other protection in place.

      One other thing that people forget is that there are things happening today that are gradually whittling away our freedoms that back in 1911 wouldn’t even be thought of. If they were you bet your bottom dollar that they would be in their.

      There are probably other items in the constitution that could be interpreted as outdated.

      By our PM’s rhetoric he seems to think that all this should be ignored. Why because of the stupidity of some politicians! If I was going to a foreign country I would research what I needed to comply with before I went there. If I was applying for a new job I would make sure I met all the qualification needed to apply.

      So what makes these politicians seem to think they do not need to. The excuse “I was not aware that my ancestors were so and so citizens. Sod it it’s the requirement for the job and the excuse “I didn’t know” is not an excuse.

      It wouldn’t help me if I went to Thailand and said something naughty about the King and said I didn’t know I couldn’t do that. We all know where I would have ended up.

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      Soloman52 actually there would be thousands of ‘Australians’ who have sought and been granted British or Irish citizenship purely on the strength of Grandparents origins. The motivation of course is to live and work in the UK (or the EEU before Brexit) without the need to comply with visa regulations.

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      Some pollies have fixed this BEFORE they enter politics. Not real hard. If they are too stupid or too arrogant to do this then who needs them to run the country? Ok, that explains a lot about why the country is being sold out.

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      Yes. I regret the Constitution didn’t see the huge Corporations coming and forbid sales of taxpayer funded assets, utilities, ports etc.

      When I was in the army I studied the defence of Darwin.

      The Communist government now has control of Darwin Port, Cubby Station i.e. Murray/Darling headwaters, strategic supply line properties , the grid etc.

      Knowing what I do about logistics I think the young advisors and bankers and lawyers running the country are very naive indeed.

      We have to be the silliest Nation today with no concern for Homeland Security apart from surveillance of citizens.
      It’s bizarre.

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      It has been my issue for some time that governments on both sides are selling us out.

      We have closed down industries because it is cheaper to import. Now we have a growing unemployment queue, unemployment benefits buckling and the need to find money to pay for imports.

      We have outsourced jobs and brought in cheap labour for the same reason. Same result.

      We have flogged off most of our viable industries and now the same model is being used for the best of our valuable farming land: available to any government which wants it.

      And lets not forget the recent push to allow fracking in places like Gunnedah where the best fertile land is and the sale of assets like LNG where we get almost nothing out of the deal whilst Australians are routinely starved of cheap energy. We should have the cheapest energy on the planet not the dearest.

      Australians need to wake up to themselves rather than vote for the major parties. It’s too late once the country becomes another third world player.

      These are the real issues Rae….and yes border security should be a part of the mix.

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      Yes and section 44 means we can’t be ruled by foreign nationals or corporations.

      I love the Constitution but it could have gone further to protect us. They would never have seen a government selling us out like this one has based on neo-liberal ideology. That wouldn’t have been contemplated by Nationalists back then.

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      I’ll be your Godfather…. my ancestry here goes back to the 1850’s so I have no citizenship anywhere else… pure dinky di, meyte…

      I looked at German and Irish and Scottish Citizenship – no dice.. too long ago.

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      Agree, Rae, with your comments above. The Constitution is perfect in this area and does NOT need any change.

      In fact, the Constitution should be changed to NATIONALISE ALL RESOURCES in this country, including land, as only this Country or it’s Citizens should own these. Any licence to exploit any of these MUST pass serious tests, and be for limited periods only, not long-term, with ability to cancel these leases at any time if this country is being disadvantaged (such as Gas exports currently).

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      MICK, I fear you’re having a bet each way.

      “The fix is CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION.” Your post 10.51am.

      “Some pollies have fixed this BEFORE they enter politics. Not real hard. If they are too stupid or too arrogant to do this then who needs them to run the country? Ok, that explains a lot about why the country is being sold out.” Your post 1.47pm.

      If they change the Constitution then the stupid, arrogant people will be running the country. I agree with your 1.47pm post.

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      Excellent point, George “… the Constitution should be changed to NATIONALISE ALL RESOURCES in this country, including land, as only this Country or it’s Citizens should own these. Any licence to exploit any of these MUST pass serious tests, and be for limited periods only, not long-term, with ability to cancel these leases at any time if this country is being disadvantaged (such as Gas exports currently).”

      I would add that any such mining that poisoned or disabled a natural watercourse or aquifer, should have to pay all those affected (like adjoining farmers, householders, National Park, etc.), retrospectively. If the offending mining co. declares bankruptcy, their affiliate companies would also be liable, retrospectively.

      Nationalising all resources would also give “Crown Land” back to Australia and hopefully, the opportunity for Indigenous communities to claim back the otherwise untitled land of their ancestors, while not upsetting any other owners or people who have legitimately paid for their land/title.

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      Janran, If Australia cancels an agreement at any time without notice we will find that other countries won’t want to deal with us. All of our natural resources are not unique to Australia and we compete with the rest of the world in sales. Australia is an importing nation and to lose the sales of our natural resources would bankrupt us.

      Your suggestion that affiliated companies should be made to pay up for the bankruptcy of another company is ridiculous. To bring the matter down a couple of levels, you are saying that if any of your children were to go bankrupt then you should be called upon to pay their debts even if that means you lose everything.

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      If the parents have been given goods or siphoned off the child’s profits, yes indeed! If they have enabled their child to rip off Government coffers, other people or the environment, THEY SHOULD PAY. It’s called being accountable, an old-fashioned idea that modern politics and economics are bereft of.

      Then we need to change Corporation laws that presently allow profits to be siphoned off into tax havens, while loans and costs of business are left with the company here, now in the red, who are exploiting our resources and infrastructure, and NOT PAYING THEIR PROPER SHARE OF AUSTRALIAN TAX.

      What’s to stop Australian companies from selling our own resources overseas? Are you saying overseas companies (like Adani), will only invest here if they get to exploit our resources without having to pay for damage during and after extraction? If so, they can f**k off and good riddance.

      Yes, I’m suggesting we get off the global corporation take-over of the world. Our financial markets will suffer but the alternative is Nowhereville. At least we’ll have a viable country that can feed and power itself, safe from foreign interference. Some things are more important than money.

      This stupid idea that we must mine and exploit our resources as soon as they’re discovered, regardless of the global price for said resources, is ridiculous. Australia will still own all the coal in the Carmichael mine, even if we leave it in the ground. Maybe in 100 years the price of coal will be considerably higher by comparison. If we mine and sell it then, Australia may end up a whole lot better off. But greedy moneymakers don’t want to reserve it for their great-grandchildren – they want it for themselves, ASAP. They want all that money they’ll make to keep churning this sick, thieving, global Corporatetocracy. It’s rigged.

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      Old Man how long before the country is bankrupted if all profits are being shipped overseas by the overseas owners of almost everything now?

      What happens to an importing country when all the exports are foreign owned?

      What happens if all government contractors are foreign owned international contractors?

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      Rae, you’ve hit the nail on the head.

      Australia’s been sold out by the elite classes. They are surely traitors.

      And our stupid Govt. wants to give them $60 billion in tax cuts “so WE can compete globally.” I know they’re not talking about average-earning Australians when they say “WE” – they’re talking about their mates and themselves.

      Our 4 big banks are structured so that a substantial proportion of that $60 billion will go straight overseas. What a travesty of justice that would be.

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    Only the mentally challenged will see Turnbull’s latest dismissal of this issue as other than an attempt to stave off the inevitable. The irony is that this is the man who called the Greens “sloppy” when this all started but now he wants to avoid scrutiny for his own. The next double standard.
    I agree with you Ben. We do need a fresh election. But what we need is a for the Electoral Commission to vet candidates via a Statutory Declaration regarding citizenship where the candidate agrees to pay back his/her entire salary as well as half of the cost of a By Election should they be found out. That would force candidates to do all the proper research and come into an election as nationality clean.

    I for one have had enough of this BS and it is about time it was fixed. Given the ongoing deceit which comes from the current dictatorship in waiting I am not sure this will happen. Having said that I am not sure Labor will fix it either as both sides likely have more skeletons in the closet…which are probably being sorted for the next time we go to the polls. That should be sooner rather than later but don’t expect the current born to rule despot to do anything other than hang onto power. Surprise me Malcolm!

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      The “mentally challenged” dear oh dear MICK!
      The “current dictatorship”.
      “born to rule despot” oh dear.
      Can this “man” MICK not be barred from this site?

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      Admitting to having trouble understanding the situation are you Mick? LOL :-)))

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      Mick in the past I’ve agreed with some of your comments; now after reading this and your other comments on this subject I fully agree with the comment of ‘roy’

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      It is what it is guys.
      We need a fix rather than one sided blame. I have had enough and if my frustration is spilling over then deal with the issue, something this government refuses to do.
      So which side of politics are we on guys?

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      Maybe Mick is just getting frustrated by whats going on. I know I am.

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      Mick you get more pathetic with your comments as each day goes by. Why are you saying nothing about your beloved labour politicians refusing to disclose anything. Why wont they, probably because more than half of them would have to go.

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      Your right wing comments and those of like minded ‘disciples’ are what is pathetic. You are well known for who you are arbee.
      So what is your position in this government? Damage control? Can’t prevent that when you have a Party intent on lying about everything, running a Class warfare agenda and applying a totally different set of rules to itself than other MPs.
      I may be a spotted dog but I am not a rat! You?

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      roy habeas corpus has been dissolved for 14 days now by this government. You can be disappeared for that length of time.
      This is a fascist act pure and simple.

      Our parents died to stop this type of shit happening and we blatantly refuse to see the risks to our kids, grandkids and great grandkids.

      I blame the education system entirely for the lack of historical knowledge of most of our population.

      She won’t be right at all unless we stop the decline of democratic principles.

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      Yes, indeed – Mal is hoping that by referring each case to the courts,his limping ‘government’ can hang on to their seats, their perks, and their majority.

      It would be such a terrible thing for those politicians to be suddenly forced back into the workforce in their old ‘profession’….. their own business.. and so forth…

      Times are so tough in Cambra that ministers are forced to use government cash handouts to attend football matches!! Any news on the Malbun cup and who copped a free ride to get there?

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      Mentally challenged it the cap fits, wear it MICK.
      You should be banned from this site forthwith.

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      Pretty clear to all but the disciples of the Party and the mentally challenged amongst us.
      The rantings from the current regime have all the hallmarks of ‘born to rule’ mentality and the arrogance which precedes it. ‘Do as I say, not as I do’ per say.

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      Oh.. I dunno….. I thought Mick got it pretty right….

      You are correct, Rae – I often mention Uberkontrolling regimes such as Stalinism and Hitlerism etc…. suspension of habeus corpus is one of the first things in legal rights to go – under pressure from a terrified public, of course.

      How long before indefinite detention of suspects comes into play, and Der Konzentrationslageren are set up on Manus and Nauru?

      People who don’t know… don’t know…. Another reason to cast a watchful eye over our immigration and educations systems, as well as the people that are elected into our governing houses.

      (If) Watergate taught us nothing else, it did teach there is no greater threat to society than illegal abuse of power by those sworn to uphold the law.
      – New York Times editorial, October 3 1974.

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    This is a complete farce. Here we have a person, BORN in Australia, represented Australia in the Davis Cup, and also Captained a Davis Cup, not being classified as a full Australian.
    All new immigrants, when they become Australian Citizens, should be asked to give up the citizenship of their former country, OR not be granted citizenship, and all that that attains.
    Otherwise the only TRUE parliament would be one of indigenous members, and I mean, FULL BLOODS.

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      Agree but we are talking about people born of parents who have been here over half a century.
      I can see the issue of electing foreigners to our parliament but the fix is not that hard. What the bastards refuse to do is fix it so voters need to ‘fix’ the government next time around. People must be getting fed up with this coal owned lot running up bills, handing out money to the wealthy, supporting multinational tax fraud, doing nix other than attacking the Opposition and demanding new coal fired power stations. I certainly am.

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      Mick, go and wipe your face, you are frothing at the mouth now, SHORTARSE lover.

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      It’s tough when people point out the obvious which the current government seeks to hide from the public gaze.
      I suspect an election is close given the demeanour of a few coalition disciples. Buy a bar of soap arbee.

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      All those asset sales to foreigners need to be examined by the High Court. Seeing who got paid how much would be very interesting indeed.

      arne can you name just one thing this LNP government has done that benefits Australia.

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      Only one Rae: they stopped the boats. I’ll give them that but the rest has been vandalism they should all see jail time for.

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      Not so, Fedup – my family lines have been here mostly since the 1850’s – long past any continuation of citizenship of any other nation – and we’re not Kaffirs….

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      MICK would rather have Shifty Shorten in charge of this once wonderful country, you know the union bully boy.

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      Mick has constantly stated he holds no brief for any major party…… I happen to be the same……

      I suppose that makes me a Trotskyist in the eyes of the ideologues … but I’m just an ordinary man….. and hold no brief for any political movement or ideology, other than common sense.

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    There is little pointin stating that the present rules are not good. They are the rules. Changing them is another process. Another election? Groan! It is a bit like choosing which urologist’s finger you want in that location. I could accept that maybe, possibly, there could an outside chance that it may shake up the parties to realise that WE, the electorate, want something more than the usual trash talk an election cause candidates to vomit up. However, living in Qld, and in the throes of a state election, demonstrates that pollies have learned nothing. The same regurgitated hollow promises, blaming those mugs in the other parties, pretending to care- and failing miserably – is reoccurring tediously. And by far the worst outcome of all this is that some poor souls, too many, put their faith in that lunatic fringe, PHON.

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      Americans voted in Trump for a reason: they were fed up with the lying bastards on both sides who played turns and then did what they wanted rather than what they promised.
      If Hanson gains in the polls then she will be the same effect.
      As I always say it matter not who you elect because MPs have highly paid advisors to help them make sound decisions. The problem with Hanson is that she appears to be another coal funded puppet and on that basis I could never vote for her. Many will.

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      MICK the problem is those highly paid experienced advisors have been replaced by silly kids out of private schools and colleges with an IPA ideology set drummed into them.

      An independent group of politicians advised by qualified and experienced public servants needs to be reinstated in my opinion. Party politics is failing badly. All they do is fight and disparage each other day after wasted day.

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      I would never disagree with that Rae. Sound reasoning.

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    What about the LABOR Party, with names like Plibersek, Albanese, Aly, Brodtmann, Dreyfus, Georganas, Hasar, Khalil, Neumann, O’Connor, O’Neil, O’Toole’, Vamvakinou and Zappia in their ranks, they also could be thinned. It only takes one person to throw the first stone, and you always get what you sow and reap.
    I only use these names as an example of what some people think are Non-Australian names.

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      There is likely to be a lot more in the Labor party but they aren’t saying anything.

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      So you don’t think that our Labor hating PM would say anything if Labor were dirty? You need to come out from under that rock and be fair OG.
      Maybe names are being held and will be released as the next election campaign unfolds. This government is the expert on lies, smears and propaganda so that could be the strategy.
      Maybe you will do the unthinkable OG and vote independent, but then you are a real coalition puppet so unlikely no matter what this lot do. Sad.

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      Now we are starting to be racist because of peoples names. Let me point out that a lot of the politicians removed becuase of the constitution have English sounding names.

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      and “O’Connor, O’Neil and O’Toole” people are probably descended from Irish convicts.

      Unless we are Aboriginal, we’re all migrants somewhere up the track. I want Australians who are committed only to Australia, to represent us in Federal Parliaments.

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      Those names are typical labour party names, usually associated with union stand over thugs. Mick you are so blinkered when you talk about government lies and deceit, with your short term memory have you already forgotten the Rudd, Gillard, Rudd years.

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      Funny how it always comes back to Labor. That is what trolls do.
      FYI arbee Gillard told one big lie. Your crew tell them on a daily basis. Despicable human beings controlled by the coal industry. The voting public matters nix to this lot other than voting and paying taxes. Oh yes…the rich supporters must be looked after. Tax cuts for them!

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      That’s rich, arbee. If it weren’t for Labor’s Rudd, Gillard, Rudd saga, (ironically caused by Abbott’s witch hunt of Gillard), we’d already have the Abbott, Turnbull, Abbott saga, with Abbott as the current PM!

      The thought of Abbott as the current PM makes Turnbull start to look better, as incredible as that sounds! What a useless bunch of lying, entitled incompetents! Hope they’re all gone soon, as we’re in dire need of a competent Government and leader.

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      arbee the unions have been destroyed. They have no power left. Get over them and look for the reasons the country is leaking money at a faster and faster rate. It’s not the unions anymore.

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      Funny how arbee never mentions the coal industry nor matches the behaviour of the current puppet government with what is good for coal. Let build another coal fired power station? How many times does this one keep coming around?

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      I’m with Janran here….

      Both parents born here and with a clean track record, or you don’t get a shot at the free ride for life that politics is. I don’t want any odd-thinking furruners making decision for my grand-choldren’s future… and on recent record, none are standing up as worthwhile to me.

      As for ‘union standover’ – let me assure you, as a past unpaid delegate for a union, the standover comes from management, not union. Look at the lockout by British Paints and their bringing in scabs because they demand the right to unilaterally change the workplace agreement… and won’t sit down and negotiate.

      Where is the even-handedness in the industrial overseer there? That company should be fined for taking unlawful industrial action.

      Look at the standover by building industry management, who sign a contract and then want to craw-fish on it, and insist on acting like petty tyrants rather than managers.. and many such have the Usual Suspect Mediterraneo names, meaning they imagine that being ‘the boss’ is the same as absolute dictatorial power, since their home nation is one of absolute poverty and absolute privilege, and thus ’employees’ have no rights.

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      Rae, you have to be joking, unfortunately the unions are even more powerful now than ever before, they are destroying manufacturing in this country with their ridiculous high wage demands.
      Have a look at the article in the Weekend Australian in regards to Streets Ice Cream. Currently workers making ice cream on the production line on over $100,000.00 per year and now want lots more while their EBA’s are being re negotiated. Streets don’t want to pay it so the union is going to embark on a $250,000.00 advertising campaign to try and put Streets out of business. Close them down and then put everyone out of a job just like the car industry, white goods and so many more. Will they finally be happy when no business exists in Australia any more.
      Also for your information Streets can import Magnums (one of their biggest sellers) from Europe for 30% less than it costs to manufacture them here.That is Europe not Asia where they have very cheap labor.
      Why would anyone want to start manufacturing in this country now.
      Not hard to see why union membership as a percentage of the work force has now dwindled down to about 11%. All that is left to do now is destroy the power of the unions and then and only then we may see this country start to prosper again.
      What a shame this government hasn’t had the guts to take them on, the unions are a blight on our society.

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      As the owner of a manufacturing business in Regional NSW, which does not have union representation, I can assure you arbee, that manufacturing in Australia is being destroyed by GLOBALISATION. Cheap Chinese imports are eating my business alive, offering a similar-looking product to retail the same as my cost price.

      The problem is that my potential customers can’t easily compare my quality products and excellent on-going customer service with inconsistent, shoddily made and non-existent on-going customer service. Yes, I pay decent wages. Why shouldn’t hard-working people be paid properly? My livelihood depends on them. Their loyalty and hard work makes my job easier, as I don’t have to check on them all the time. It’s quite possible my opposition are using child labour – no wonder I can’t compete!

      Are those workers at Streets who you say are earning over $100,000 p.a. doing night shift work? Or working weekend shifts? Does it include overtime? You can’t cherry-pick info from a Weekend Australian article and expect to know all the facts. This publication relies on radical headlines to increase circulation, similar to clickbait on the internet. They know people like yourself will gobble it up, as it re-affirms your stance on the subject.

      I agree that some Unions have occasionally gone too far in the past, but to dismiss them all as “a blight on our society” is doing our society a huge disservice. Collective bargaining is a necessary and legitimate force in a fair, capitalist regime such as ours.

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      Arbee the average job pays around $50 000 a year. I looked it up.
      An OAP couple get $32 000 and they don’t have to work.

      There are around 42 management jobs at over $130 000 and then there is the top 14 and boy do they skew the average pay scales with there over $300 000 salaries.

      You have to be very careful with averages.

      Wasting money on imported ice cream from Europe isn’t in my budget.

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      Arbee, “typical labor party names? ” “standover Union thugs?”

      What the hell is the matter with you?

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      Janran, then I hope you never have to experience what I did years ago when union reps came into my business (transport company) & said either have all of your drivers join the union or we will blacklist your vehicles at every unionised place of business that you pick up from or deliver to. They may not be so blatant now but still have ways of achieving the same result. At the meeting with the union rep every driver said we do not want to be in the TWU, but they were told join up or we will put this company out of business and you won’t have a job anyway. We were told as an extra penalty for not having your drivers in the union previously you can also pay their union fees until we decide otherwise.
      Read the article before you make wide ranging statements as you have.
      I wish you good luck with your business and know it is even harder now to survive than it was when I was in business.
      I always try to buy Australia made wherever possible, but it is getting much harder now to find.

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      Thank you, Rae, for checking the ACTUAL average factory job pay at Streets ($50K p.a., not $100K).

      And thank you arbee, for wishing me well. Most Aussies want to buy Australian, but unfortunately, the bottom line dictates family budgets. It’s especially the case these days, with the casualisation of the workforce and as permanent jobs are becoming rarer each day, people are insecure about the future and don’t want to spend their hard earned $$$.

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    John Alexander obviously has dual citizenship, he can find out easily, and has done nothing.
    It is a simple matter to find out your status, the politicians so far caught are incompetent. The money earned whilst serving in parliament when not entitled to should be refunded.

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      He’s had plenty of notice – no excuse…. Adios Muchacho.. Hasta La Vista, BABY!

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      Agree, the politicians caught so far are all incompetent and dishonest as they did not take the effort to fill out their Employment Application Form correctly. The Constitution is perfect in this area and no change is needed.

      I also agree that all money earned SINCE THEY WERE FIRST ELECTED needs to be refunded. An Audit must be conducted independently and immediately. Following the audit on existing MPs, another audit should be taken for all Past Politicians who are still collecting perks & pensions.

      All who fail the audits should be sent a bill for recovery of taxpayer funds – using the Centrelink Robo-debt recovery approach.

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      I always love to see these petty despots hoist on their own petard, George… gladdens my old heart that has seen many ways and woes to see some of these swine get it where it counts.

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    I absolutely think an audit is necessary. Politicians have never been known for their honesty. Forget a referendum – complete further waste of money. This Government are an absolute JOKE lead by an even larger Jokster.

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