17th Jan 2017
Public opinion expresses disgust at, and distrust of, the Government
Public opinion expresses disgust at, and distrust of, the Government

The Government is suffering a huge public opinion crisis, as the result of the Centrelink debt-recovery debacle and misuse of political entitlements.

A ReachTEL poll commissioned by GetUp! has revealed increased support for the Opposition, with Labor now leading the Coalition 54 points to 46 in two-party preferred voting.

Primary support for the two major parties may be deadlocked, but most respondents who are ‘undecided’ said they would vote Labor, to the tune of 33.3 per cent versus 19.4 per cent. Even those who are still making up their minds (58.5 per cent) have said they would preference Labor higher than the Coalition.

The poll also revealed that One Nation ranks above the Greens in popular support, with 9.7 per cent supporting Pauline Hanson’s party compared to 8.9 per cent for the Greens.

The ReachTEL poll focused mainly on the Centrelink issue, which is under fire for sending 200,000 notices of potential overpayment, many of which have been found to be incorrect.

Still, Human Services Minister Alan Tudge maintains that the debt-recovery system is working and has no plans to scrap or suspend the program, even while it is under investigation by the Commonwealth Ombudsman. However, Mr Tudge has instructed Centrelink staff to amend the debt-recovery process, possibly as a result of the Government's slip in the polls.

GetUp! Campaigns Director, Mark Connelly, questions the ethics of the new system, saying it is unfair that individuals who have received incorrect notices are innocent until proven guilty.

"Centrelink staff used to check and correct these errors, before sending out threatening letters," he said.

"Now thanks to the Turnbull Government's incompetence and heartlessness, everyday Australians are being forced to find years-old employment records, or get handed over to ruthless, private-sector debt collectors.

"…When these Government ministers are living such a lavish life on the public purse, they can't possibly understand how a false $3000 debt can send your whole world crashing down.

"But that's what's happening to thousands of Australians each week, from a man with autism, to a single mother at Christmas, to a school teacher taking time off to care for her sick father."

In an attempt to quash public outcry over the misuse of political entitlements, the PM has accepted a begrudging resignation from his former Health Minister Sussan Ley and has announced a monthly reporting system and an independent body to oversee parliamentarian travel claims.

Read more at The Age

What is your opinion of the Coalition now? Has the Centrelink debacle dampened your view of the Government? Are you surprised that Labor is ahead of the Coalition?

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    17th Jan 2017
    9:04am
    My opinion of the LNP is that they are bunch of corrupt, dishonest, greedy elitist GRUBS who have neither ability to desire to govern for the good of the nation, have no respect for the people they are supposed to serve, and not a shred of decency or integrity. That said, Labor and Greens are no better and I suspect I'd be hard-pressed to find a politician with a shred of integrity or decency.

    I'm not surprised Labor is ahead, but I have no confidence in either party to do anything good for the country. They are all incompetent self-interested thieves.
    Captain
    17th Jan 2017
    10:10am
    Rainey, you are correct on all counts. I seem to recall that Mick said that there could a further Federal election early in the new year.

    The only problem is that none of the existing crop of children in Parliament are worthy of re-election and have no further planning horizon than the next election.
    Fiona
    17th Jan 2017
    11:01am
    agree
    MICK
    17th Jan 2017
    11:16am
    Whilst I agree with your sentiments Rainey it will sadly come down to a choice of the best of a bad lot.
    In terms of rampant dishonesty and raging blatant class warfare against 95%+ of the Australian population no party beats the current LNP. Their behaviour is one disgusting attack after another whilst at the same time wanting to give bank vaults of the nation's money to the rich who have absolutely no need of it other than to have an even more lavish lifestyle than they already enjoy. WE NEED ANOTHER ELECTION TO CLEAR THE FILTH OUT OF CANBERRA.
    Jannie
    17th Jan 2017
    11:33am
    Agree with all of your comments. The problem is there is no gutsy pollies who are capable of running the country. Voting should not be compulsory for the simple reason there are a lot of ignorant people out there who do not understand what voting is all about (or should I say do not want to understand why we vote) and will vote for anyone, and look at the races that are multiplying at a very fast rate, we are becoming outnumbered so what future do we all have? A vast number of retirees are moving to Tasmania to escape the hoards of undesirables being let into the country, it is also cheaper to buy housing down there so one can live off the profits made selling on the mainland.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    11:48am
    Jannie - who is "we", when it comes to being outnumbered?

    And who don't you like?
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    11:59am
    I've long advocated the theory that politicians and certain of their highest advisors are psychotic in nature.... there can be many socially high-functioning psychopaths in positions of power - you only get to judge them by the outcomes of their behaviour as opposed to their rhetoric.

    Psychiatric nurse friend of mine many years ago, answered my question about the difference between a neurotic and a psychopath and how to you discover a psychopath, by saying that a psychopath lies all the time.....

    Well? Need I say more?
    Patriot
    17th Jan 2017
    12:06pm
    Rainy,
    Are they just Plain "Stupid & Selfish" or are they adhering to the Directives of the "Global Shadow Government" and therefore not only stupid but also criminals, lack integrity, GREEDY etc., etc.???
    Farside
    17th Jan 2017
    12:19pm
    Notwithstanding the Patriot's Global Shadow Government,which you cannot vote for, if you are dissatisfied with your representation then vote for someone else who better represents your interests. If there is not a better alternative then vote to make your electorate as marginal as possible. I am sure there is a proverb somewhere about the best representative being those on thin margins.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    1:14pm
    Sadly I live in a safe Liberal seat with a useless member.
    Batara
    17th Jan 2017
    2:03pm
    Barak, I feel for you mate. Wondering if climate warming is only on Earth. I am waiting for Hell to freeze over so we might get a progressive local member where I live.
    Captain
    17th Jan 2017
    2:50pm
    Batara, Hell (Michigan, USA) freezes over quite often. Seriously I can see at the next election a major change to the existing 2 party system.

    Many people are seeing our current crop of "how can I best feather my own nest" politicians (of all persuasions) as having gone too far in taking from us and giving to the rich and see a need to review our current Parliamentary system.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    4:25pm
    Hey Barak I think Janine means real australians as "we " and Muslims /Sudanese and other refugees etc as the others.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Jan 2017
    4:23pm
    Rainey they are the best of a bad bunch.
    Aussie
    23rd Jan 2017
    10:12pm
    I totally agree with MICK but the problem is Who in hell we vote for ???????? they are all the same rats ???? no new Blood (Old or Young) with new good ideas to repair all this ..... Any ideas ?????

    And as MICK is saying ..."The problem is there is no gutsy pollies who are capable of running the country" .... yes MICK they are all a bunch of robbers ...... what to do .....what to do .....what to do ?????
    The Bronze Anzac
    17th Jan 2017
    11:02am
    I'm 72 years young. Never in my political lifetime have I ever witnessed such turmoil within a Government or Opposition in Australia. Neither the LNP nor ALP are worthy of running a pub chook raffle in our great country. Throw in the Greens, & we have a group of absolute incompetent public service imbeciles. So, what have we got left ? One Nation has already taken over third spot in the ranking system with almost 10%, but it will take them more than another 12 months to establish themselves as a force to be reckoned with. At least with a hostile Senate, there is some hope right now, so that's the direction swinging voters, like myself, will take to the next polls, provided it's not too late.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    11:51am
    You sound like a long time Lib lover, finally realising they are not perfect, but who has to attack the ALP and Greens to justify also criticising the Libs.

    Tell us about all this turmoil in the ALP.
    Batara
    17th Jan 2017
    1:24pm
    Anzac, I am same age, so most likely we were both in the Name in the 60s. Don't even think about the One Nation rabble mate. I hope Mal hangs on until next year to give PHON time to totally self destruct. Pauline's crowd are inimical to the principles of a fair go that we fought for mate. She stands for divide and bully. Independent candidates OK, but don't vote for One Nation. She should be prosecuted for false premises in the name.
    fred
    17th Jan 2017
    2:59pm
    Bronze Anzac I agree , I hope we can get rid of the dummys that are now leading both major parties and the Greens but do not know where any decent ones will come from . Personally I would prefer to have Tony Abbott back as he wasn't as bad as this lot , but he is not very popular
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    4:04pm
    Have you ever wondered why?
    Anonymous
    18th Jan 2017
    4:55am
    Abbott the Rabbit? Please no!! A disaster and a hideous embarrassment.
    Aussie
    23rd Jan 2017
    10:24pm
    The Bronze Anzac ..... What can we do we have absolute rubbish politicians that have no Idea about serving the people of this country. Mate we are totally stuff and we have been like this for many many years .... We are 10+ years behind the rest of the world and we still dreaming that TRUMP will have a good feeling for the Pacific Pack ..... sorry Mt Trumbull you are F,,,,ng dreaming

    So what do we do who do we vote for ????? there is nobody that deserve to be in power ..... Mate We are totally F...

    Sorry for my bad words but I am very upset and hate living in my beautiful country .... only Crime and terrible government but very rich politicians .....maybe we need a peoples revolution like some South American Countries .... and kick them all out and start again
    Ikantu
    17th Jan 2017
    11:08am
    Like many (most) I have voted in every election, yet I now struggle to find a politician I think worthy of my vote. Self interest and paper bag politics (corruption by underhand methods) are the new norm and those politicians that aren't under some investigation have been tarnished by the brush of those who are, or have been investigated. ALL political parties are included in this view
    HarrysOpinion
    17th Jan 2017
    11:13am
    I've noticed that Turnbull doesn't have a genuine smile when out in the public, it's more like a tense crocodile smile with gritted teeth. I've also noticed that Scott Morrison has been very quiet throughout this Centrelink fiasco. It is also interesting that scammers have jumped on this bandwagon where they have posted out and emailed fraudulent Centrelink debt claims. Wonder how many people they have scammed and for how much. How will Centrelink deal with welfare debtors claiming to have paid them but Centrelink's records do not show receiving payment. Another very humongous fiasco created by the Liberal-National Coalition Party gestapo.
    missmarple
    17th Jan 2017
    2:08pm
    HS not only does he have a crocodile smile I can't stand his HOLIER THAN THOU SWAGGER, but then its propably because he is such a short A******e he tries to make himself look taller
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    3:31pm
    Hush - but he wears high heeled boots....
    crazypete
    17th Jan 2017
    4:23pm
    He is not the only one with a false smile they all have even the ones here in South Australia have stupid false smile or better still a smug smile because they do not care about the people but them selves and they have been proving it with their so call holidays and pensions that they get even while they are getting paid for other jobs.
    Onemore
    17th Jan 2017
    11:22am
    Rainey, you have said it all , although I think the term GRUBS is being kind to them, I can think of a lot more terms to describe them but unprintable. I despise the lot of them.
    Onemore
    17th Jan 2017
    11:22am
    Rainey, you have said it all , although I think the term GRUBS is being kind to them, I can think of a lot more terms to describe them but unprintable. I despise the lot of them.
    Onemore
    17th Jan 2017
    11:22am
    Rainey, you have said it all , although I think the term GRUBS is being kind to them, I can think of a lot more terms to describe them but unprintable. I despise the lot of them.
    Onemore
    17th Jan 2017
    11:22am
    Rainey, you have said it all , although I think the term GRUBS is being kind to them, I can think of a lot more terms to describe them but unprintable. I despise the lot of them.
    Onemore
    17th Jan 2017
    11:22am
    Rainey, you have said it all , although I think the term GRUBS is being kind to them, I can think of a lot more terms to describe them but unprintable. I despise the lot of them.
    Onemore
    17th Jan 2017
    11:22am
    Rainey, you have said it all , although I think the term GRUBS is being kind to them, I can think of a lot more terms to describe them but unprintable. I despise the lot of them.
    Onemore
    17th Jan 2017
    11:22am
    Rainey, you have said it all , although I think the term GRUBS is being kind to them, I can think of a lot more terms to describe them but unprintable. I despise the lot of them.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    12:02pm
    One more and I doubt I can take it - you are suffering from internet repetimania - a serious problem caused by an internet that does not respond, so you you hit the button again... and again....

    I've had that happen....
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    12:29pm
    Onemore, you certainly are living up to your pseudonym with seven of the same posts.
    Mamacrystal
    17th Jan 2017
    1:03pm
    Got the hiccups? :)
    missmarple
    17th Jan 2017
    1:57pm
    Just Onemore
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    7:17pm
    Digital tremor.
    4b2
    17th Jan 2017
    11:30am
    Incompetent, untrustworthy, unreliable. After showing Sussan Ley the door they have moved Sinodinos into the role. Really!
    Handing over the asylum to the inmates.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    11:53am
    Yes, I laughed about Honest Arfur getting the job.

    Now the push is on to reinstate Abetz. These sleazes don't go away. They just take a holiday.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    12:02pm
    Nah.. NAH... handing over the asylum to one of the HEAD inmates!
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    12:05pm
    Of course there's also that bloke called Tony waiting, waiting, waiting in the wings. He's apparently good at everything.
    Patriot
    17th Jan 2017
    12:08pm
    Just recycling - and counting we have short memories.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    12:12pm
    Sadly, too many voters do.
    Mamacrystal
    17th Jan 2017
    1:06pm
    I think most of us were Amazed!
    Rae
    17th Jan 2017
    2:38pm
    Is he the guy that tried to sell Warragamba Dam to the Chinese?
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    3:32pm
    I was going through old papers and found my notice of intent to purchase shares in Snowy Hydro... had to get that as a collector's item at the time.... wish I'd scored one of those Joh For Pm T-shirts...
    Peanuts
    17th Jan 2017
    11:31am
    What is amusing, if it were not so sad, is that neither the Opposition nor any other party is attacking the LNP on the misuse of MP entitlements. They know that they are all just as bad as each other.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    11:53am
    You have clearly ignored the Greens' comments.
    Patriot
    17th Jan 2017
    12:10pm
    Standing in front of "The Trough".
    IF you don't squeeze mine I won't Squeeze yours" !!!
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    4:14pm
    I agree Peanuts. Heard Shorten yesterday spruiking up in Queensland about jobs and it made me think. When there is a state election and party leaders drop in to meet and greet, do the funds come out of party funds or do taxpayers once again stump up. The whole System needs a complete overhaul. Let the ATO draw up a plan and watch pollies squirm.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    4:24pm
    Jobson Growthe loose again?

    Good question - Party business is not government business - attending a State for purposes of supporting a State election is Party business and MUST be paid for by the Party or the person involved.
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    4:44pm
    I agree TREBOR but is it actually done that way or do those blasted "guidelines" override everything. What if the party leader has to make a federal announcement? Does that make it taxpayer funded?
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    6:23pm
    I'm sure he'll find a way to fillet the taxpayer to fund this trip.... open a pre-school in Naroomypore or somewhere nobody every heard of.. maybe up in that funny area where they say the three letter names twice to make sure they can spell it and get it right ... Gin Gin, Kin Kin.... though you have to wonder about that last.... give a speech at a high school in Manyooallpoor....
    John from Perth
    17th Jan 2017
    11:37am
    I guess it's true re email doing the rounds.
    You cannot become a Politician if you have been circumcised.
    Apparently you have to be a complete D*ck.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    11:54am
    LOL.

    How does that work for Pauline?
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    12:03pm
    No problem..... she can borrow plenty......
    KSS
    17th Jan 2017
    12:53pm
    Barak Ms Hanson has more b***s than most of the men!
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    1:22pm
    And she's definitely a d^ck.
    Batara
    17th Jan 2017
    1:28pm
    How about Jackie from Tassy? She likes her men well hung. Did she mention preference with or without 4skin?
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    1:30pm
    Yes, she has brought a touch of class to politics.
    missmarple
    17th Jan 2017
    2:01pm
    John from Perth liked your post,,, and KSS I totally agree with you 100%

    17th Jan 2017
    11:56am
    Bill Shorten has been quiet for a while. He's starting to make some sensible noises on things like the TPP. Clever populist stuff.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see some serious machinations in the Senate to block a few bills and really challenge the Libs' ability to govern.
    Patriot
    17th Jan 2017
    12:11pm
    The TPP Is "Criminally Poisonous" and Big Mal is starting to pursue it?????
    KSS
    17th Jan 2017
    12:54pm
    "Clever" AND "Populist" That's an oxymoron!
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    1:12pm
    Not when your goal is to win an election.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    11:56am
    The public's opinion of politicians generally these days is about a solid as that air-brushed photo of Big Mal above...

    It amazes me that even the plug ugly politicians MUST have an air-brushed ten foot by four foot picture of their smiling, air-brushed face on their office window...... talk about vanity and deception.... and a waste of money.
    Farside
    17th Jan 2017
    12:29pm
    At least Turnbull looks like his picture. Check Josh Frydenburg and its like comparing pictures of distant relatives.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    12:36pm
    Yes - certain Labor personages in the past don't live up to their public photo....

    I think honesty is the best policy - unless you are talking to a judge or a copper.... they all lie for a living, so it's catch as catch can...
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    11:56am
    Getup and the Age for one sided information doesn't tell the whole story. Where is the condemnation of Billy Shorten and his family travel claims that far exceed his nearest rival of extravagance?
    They are all grubs and the Federal Government Net Debt is now close to a half Trillion.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    12:00pm
    Your position is clear on the ALP when you use the name Billy.
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    12:16pm
    Billy and Turncoat are in the same category of the lowest of the low!
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    12:45pm
    Many positions stated here, with which I agree whole-heartedly, show that not too many think highly of any politician these days.

    I'll start off with a statement:

    The only ones I have time for at the moment are Jackie Lambie and Andrew Wilkie. Both have the cojones to speak up....
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    1:23pm
    Well, at least Wilkie has a brain.
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    1:37pm
    Oh boy!
    They speak up because the ABC put a microphone under their beaks without question!
    Keep an eye out for Cory Bernardi, he's getting a movement together that could totally smash the Libs.....and to the great delite with a few here put the waste land of the Labor/Greens back in power...what was that debt again?
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    1:42pm
    A lot lower than it is now.

    I hope Corey does secede. It WILL destroy the (non-)Liberal Party.
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    2:24pm
    A lot lower than it is now....
    You need to check the recent history books mate to give a good indication where national debt will go under Labor/Greens.
    MORE DEBT!
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    2:38pm
    Your ignorance is fully on display.

    Right now, after three and a half years of Liberal government, government debt is far higher than it has ever been.
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    3:14pm
    Whose ignorance. ...Government debt after WW11 was greater...
    50 Billion in the black after Howard. ....totally smashed by Rudd/Gillard....and now Malcolm
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    3:40pm
    Howard sold the furniture, the silver and the farm to get his one black mark on record.... now we the people are paying for it through the nose.

    All that little grub did was offload the costs of government running its utilities onto the end user by handing those utilities to his henchmen and cronies for a song.

    Looks good once - then it's all downhill with no solid revenue strands apart from more and more taxation.

    I wouldn't recommend Wee Johnnie.

    LNP have doubled the debt in the time they've been in 'government' this time around. You see - when you're a 'merchant banker', you are forever borrowing money in order to put it out on the schemes you put together for your clients - all the while reaping a fine profit for self and bank. So it should come as no surprise that in order to fund their fantastic lifestyles and their fantastic schemes - the government under a 'merchant banker' will borrow, borrow, borrow..... trouble is - their only means of recouping borrowings and offshored capital, such as that on submarines etc - is to tax people and chase the poorest in the land for a few dollars using a false paradigm.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-18/fact-check-did-the-govt-triple-the-deficit/7407538

    (this site needs the opportunity to post supporting links).... (and emoticons at times)..... (maybe a picture to tell a thousand words)....
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    9:03pm
    Barak - but Lambie has the XX Factor.... if I had a party running it would be on pure merit only..... and (sex) sorry gender would matter not.... I think Lambie has certain abilities and skills sets.....
    Anonymous
    18th Jan 2017
    5:11am
    Jackyd, Rudd and Gillard were far from my favourite people, but they cop an unfair share of the blame for debt and Howard gets unfair credit. If you study the Howard/Costello policies, you'll find that the Labor government inherited a huge raft of unsustainable obligations that were very difficult to unwind. Howard and Costello made very generous gifts of long term added wealth - mostly to the wealthy. The top 20% enjoyed massive benefits that the Labor Government could not afford through the GFC, but couldn't easily reverse. As is the way of the LNP, the richest 20% got 80% of the benefits of the boom. Yes, Labor inherited a surplus, but they also inherited a raft of unaffordable obligations absolutely guaranteed to drive the nation into debt. Had Howard/Costello continued on, the debt would have most likely risen faster than it did under Labor. It's just very convenient for the LNP to be able to blame Labor for their mismanagement. And now we are seeing more of their mismanagement driving debt higher still. At least now their incompetence is showing. It's not quite as easy for them to blame the other side for everything. Though some diehards still can't see the wood for the trees - and probably never will.
    TMac
    17th Jan 2017
    12:11pm
    So everyone wants to boot out the LNP government and relace them with who, Labor and Bill Shorten, maybe Pauline Hanson or the Greens... you've got to be kidding !!
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    12:13pm
    I gather you've always vote LNP.
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    12:34pm
    Not only kidding, the joke is entirely on them!
    Take the ABC and friends of....screaming for the 1% funding cuts to be reinstated but the 20% slashing to the Australian Olympic Team is fine, nothing to see there.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    12:49pm
    Ah, yes - Chariots of Fire - no coaches allowed etc....

    Why do you feel that anyone who complains about cuts to the ABC should also complain about cuts to the Olympic Team? I have next to no interest in Olympic sport......... but I do like to watch the ABC now and then for a reality check...

    Straighten up and Fly Right.... not everyone sees all the issues equally... my prospective son-in-law stood for the Senate for the Animal Justice Party - we don't see eye-to-eye on all issues but I admire and appreciate his principles and his personal courage in standing up.
    TMac
    17th Jan 2017
    1:02pm
    Barak, you will be pleased to know that I haven't always voted LNP and am no big fan of the current bunch in office, but there is no other credible option at the moment that's for sure.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    1:08pm
    Correction - no credible option.

    That'll be $1800 for sitting on a Commission of Audit into YLC errors..... cash preferred.....
    TMac
    17th Jan 2017
    1:23pm
    thanks TREBOR or is it Trebor :-)
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    1:51pm
    Do you appreciate the effort, sacrifice, fitness, inspiration and pride of an amateur sports person less than the outright bias of an overpaid ABC political commentator. ...it would seam so Trebore!
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    2:17pm
    Anyone can apply for a job with the ABC, even you. If you believe they discriminate in employment policies, being a public sector body, you can collect the evidence and formally complain. You have every right to.

    All our other media outlets are beholden to their advertisers, usually the same companies that donate to the Libs. The ABC is the ONLY independent media outlet we have. Be thankful they are different.
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    2:32pm
    They are different alright!
    Hands on hot pipes...Don Dale....it goes on and on.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    2:38pm
    What ARE you talking about?

    Try responding to what others actually say.
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    3:44pm
    Barak I am responding to you!
    Let's not dribble too much about the ABC except to counter your claims of independence, anything but, the Left is totally politically entrenched at your ABC.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    3:44pm
    TREBOR - the Boss - is the cat's name..... all capitals since he's the boss....
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    3:46pm
    We'll get to the Olympics in due course - this is not the subject at hand here...... jackyd - YOU started on the ABC and the Olympic Team - you can't then go and have at Barak for discussing what you raised, as if he started it and is carrying on with it.

    IT IS NOT THE SUBJECT MATTER HERE.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    4:11pm
    jackyd - you keep spouting dogma about the ABC being biased. I explained why it's the only UNbiased outlet. Your response - "But it's biased".

    You must learn how to actually discuss things. Dogma only works with the rusted on and the wilfully ignorant.
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    5:39pm
    Oh dear o dear!
    Chrissy L
    17th Jan 2017
    12:30pm
    Rainey, you are absolutely right in your comments. I thought that we could not get a worse government than with Abbot at the helm, but the LNP have gone even further in self interest with Turnbull at the helm, "the smiling suit with plenty of rhetoric and no substance."
    I am not surprised either that Labor is ahead, I think the 'Drovers Dog' is about to reappear. I think the Labor Party must be reflecting on their decision to nominate Shorten as Leader instead of Albanese. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
    phantom
    17th Jan 2017
    12:34pm
    I love the "pollies" when they say they will get an independent mob to go over their travel entitlements. Why not bring up ALL entitlements, super, gold card and all allowances. Watch them squeal like little piggies with their heads in through then.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    3:50pm
    "independent" - a retired MP who would lose if anything changes, a retired old mate who is a judge, someone with auditing skills (meaning a mate), and what was the other one?

    Each and every one will be someone with a direct interest in retaining the status quo.... "retired MP" and "judge" already fit that bill... their 'pension rights' depend on the current system remaining as is.

    How about we get a retired pensioner, an auditor from New Zealand, a young unemployed person in studies, and someone with common sense who can see when and where a rort is taking place?
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    4:20pm
    I think the ATO should draw up the rules TREBOR and then police them as they now do for business deductions.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    4:27pm
    Indeed... special task force set aside to ensure integrity of the process..... but remember that the boss of the ATO is now a contracted employee his/her remuneration and perks depend on the same standards and values (did I use that word here?) as the politicians.
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    4:48pm
    Well put TREBOR, and if we made his/her appointment subject to a judicial decision, not political, who appoints the judiciary. It seems the term "public servant" is a misnomer, it should be "political servant".
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    6:26pm
    Very fine thought there, OM... judicial appointment to the top PS jobs in the land.... it... could... WORK! 'political servant' - never a truer word spoken....
    Anonymous
    18th Jan 2017
    5:16am
    How about some of us write to the government (open letter of course) and volunteer to vet all entitlements at no cost to the public - thus saving the millions Turnbull plans to spend paying buddies to look after buddies and PRETEND to be policing?

    I reckon some of us retirees could find the time to serve the national interest, and we'd be a damned sight more competent and diligent than any self-interested moron these self-serving greedy bastards will appoint.
    Poppa Bear
    17th Jan 2017
    12:34pm
    Barak (0r is it Obama) it is easy to see where your sympathies lie politically. Instead of jumping all over, and ridiculing, any one you do not agree with, be constructive, if you know what that means.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    1:19pm
    My forum name has nothing to do with the US President. Suggesting it does certainly wasn't a constructive comment.

    Given that is your only post here.....
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    3:51pm
    He is Jewish and his user name means 'lightning'..... so there....
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    4:21pm
    Does that mean he is not a complete prick?
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    4:34pm
    One day the boy's organs were chatting amongst one another - and the heart said, "You know, I should be running the show since I am the engine room!"..

    "Nah", said the brain, "I do all the thinking and controlling work. I should be the boss!"

    The stomach put in his two cents:- "Hey! I do all the food gathering and distribution - without me you'd both starve!"

    The penis put in his bid:- "I'm the head of the process to further the human race - I should be the boss!"

    The arsehole piped up :- "But I WANT to be the boss!"

    All the others laughed, so the arsehole sulked and went on strike... after a while the brain became tired and clogged up.... the heart began to labour due to toxins ... the stomach moaned and groaned in cramps... and the penis fell down on the job so badly that his foreskin had to be removed...

    Finally they all relented and let the arsehole take charge.

    Just goes to show - you don't need a heart, don't need to be a brain, don't need guts, you don't even have to be a complete dick to be the boss - you just have to be a tight arsehole.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    4:35pm
    Damn - that's BODY's organs...
    Patriot
    17th Jan 2017
    8:28pm
    TREBOR
    Makes a "lot of Sense".
    Therefore, I see only ONE solution: "Get rid of ALL the TURDS in Canberra (& the capital Cities of the States) and the ASSHOLES become automatically obsolete!!!

    Or, may be, we could provide them with a "One-Way" ticket to UR-Anus and colonise that planet.
    It's a long way away, so they can do with it what ever they like as far as I'm concerned.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    8:42pm
    Well - like aliens they're insulated from the outside, are paid to travel the universe, have little to no connection with mere mortals on Earth, flit in and out at a moment's notice, are never there when you try to contact them, disappear instantly when confronted, speak a different language, and are sometimes mistaken for stars.

    Perhaps they should simply go the whole hog and move Offworld.... better tax havens there, I'll bet....
    Sen.Cit.90
    17th Jan 2017
    12:40pm
    It's time for a major change of the Government System! Perhaps on lines similar to the System that Switzerland is governed by. Meanwhile it's Independant for me at present, One Nation is my choice. I have read many of their policies on web address:
    http://www.onenation.com.au/policies.
    This site gives a whole list of policies; I'm reading my way though them; so far so good.
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    12:58pm
    Certainly not the Luvy Duvy Populist Party...there's plenty of them out there now!
    Only an absolute Conservative party can turn the country around but can Pauline find enough talented people to fill the void.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    1:20pm
    Sen.Cit.84 - Voting One Nation is not voting Independent.
    Sen.Cit.90
    17th Jan 2017
    1:49pm
    jackyd,
    Let's hope so.

    Barak,
    They are Independent of the two major parties. I hope they do not get influenced by either of the two major parties LNP or ALP.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    2:12pm
    One Nation is a party. Pauline went to a lot of trouble to make it so. Members of Parliament from that party are, by definition, NOT Independents. They MUST do what the party says.

    Independents can do what they like.

    There is a huge difference. But Pauline tends to attract people who don't understand such things.
    Batara
    17th Jan 2017
    2:17pm
    Jack old mate. Pauline is not doing well on selecting candidates. Getting rid of them faster than she did 20 odd years back. I've got 2 Bob that says One Nation will be gone before the next election. As for Cory, I fervently hope he forms a new party to split the COALition vote. Might help save the world.
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    3:23pm
    Batara, agreement about One Nation but it's Malcolm in the middle that's destroying the COALition.
    Don't worry about saving the world, who is going to save Australia and what will beyond mineral resources?
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    3:57pm
    jacky - you answered your own question - NOTHING will save this country's economy, since the resources sector is failing now, and the much-vaunted 'global economy' is leaking like HMAS Canberra the day after the Battle of Savo Island...

    The only way forward for this nation is to rebuild a solid base of industry of its own, something I've mooted for several years now - meaning an industrial city complex in the Pilbara powered by North Shelf Gas, solar and wind, with a planned community all using water tanks etc, and producing iron and steel and end products including shipbuilding...... what more can I say? In that complex refugee claimants can be processed while working and learning a skill/trade, so that if they do not succeed as refugees here, they will have something to fall back on, the cost of which will come from our Aid budget.

    It's kind of a holistic thing ...... and it occurs AFTER the taps have been shut off on Offshore Enterprises Inc, similar to The Don's initiatives in the US, and their income is taxed to our standards before it leaves here, and they get to claim it as a deduction in their tax haven.

    When it becomes a reality I want my finder's fee...
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    5:51pm
    Sounds good...along with Thorium Reactors around the country!
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    6:28pm
    Backups in case of current ebbs or whatever they call them.....
    Beeman
    17th Jan 2017
    12:45pm
    This alleged debt recovery campaign has me puzzled. The best brains in the country (their opinion) formulate the laws and regulations yet someone with very basic education is supposed to have been able to cheat the system. Perhaps the real criminals are on the other side of the fence and should be penalised for failing to create cheat proof programmes.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    12:54pm
    Yes - apparently 1.7M ordinary people robbed the till.... to the tune of three and a half month' Unemployment Benefit each.... amazing, isn't it?

    What this stupid program has done is say that because they received 3.5 months UP in a financial year, but their overall income for that year was higher - they robbed the till by being unemployed for 3.5 months of that year.

    A terrific paradigm right there. Takes real genius to work that one out.... but since it is a matter of policy to create of Unemployment Benefits a de facto loan by lodging a 'debt notice', then forcing people to try to recover old data within fourteen days and then appeal in a hopeless situation .........

    Gotcha Mattias and Scottie.... gotcha!

    Cunning lot these lowest class people.... no wonder they need to be regularly whipped.... (tongue in cheek - but that depends on which category above you term 'lowest class people')...
    Batara
    17th Jan 2017
    1:57pm
    Hey Treb, have you heard of Jobson Grothe of late? Nah, another fizza from The Great Fizza. Doesn't give a stuff for the unemployed. The working class can kiss my ---. I'm OK in my harbourside mansion with some dough salted away in the Caymans. So stuff you jack i'm alright.
    Rae
    17th Jan 2017
    2:46pm
    This is what happens when Maths is an elective subject and the experienced are deemed too expensive so the graduates with English Lit degrees are running the show. They can't count, use calculators and have no idea how to estimate and check.
    Tragic.
    Patriot
    17th Jan 2017
    3:01pm
    Attitudes Implementing a "Conditions of FEAR" if most likely the "Real Reason" rather than recovery of funds!
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    3:59pm
    Jobson is holidaying over Xmas in The Bahamas.... I think... before that he was headed for Thailand and other Asian countries....
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    4:01pm
    Patriot - a continuation of The Reign of Terror that started in this country in 1983 - when the Fed Guv introduced affirmative action at the point of a gun..... been all downhill since then.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    6:29pm
    Jobson Growthe is always on holidays from Australia...... never get a lick of work out of him.....
    Supernan
    17th Jan 2017
    12:58pm
    I can understand people feeling like all Pollies are corrupt. But the difference between Labor & Greens are the way decision making takes place. In LNP the top guys decide what to do. The rest must follow. Also they are greatly influenced by the wealthy Media owners, Big Business men who are their support base.
    The other two parties are much more consensus based. Labor does some very stupid things sometimes. But not usually ones that affect the poorest people. The Greens of course are environmentally based but recently are taking on general policies.
    Baby Huey
    17th Jan 2017
    1:03pm
    Oppositions do not win elections governments lose elections
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    1:25pm
    That's certainly been true federally in recent times.
    Chuck
    17th Jan 2017
    1:04pm
    We have said it all before, nothing is going to change with either a Lib/Nat party or a Labor Party Government. We need to protest in the streets in every electorate as we did in the 60s and 70s.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    1:26pm
    Sounds good to me.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    4:23pm
    What did the protest bring then Chuck nothing we still had either a liberal or labor government .
    Any protest now will still bring the same no mater what happens it is either Liberal or labor
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    4:31pm
    Roby, in the 60s (and for some time before that), ALL we had was a Liberal Government. They took us to Vietnam. Protests were part of the process that got us out of Vietnam, and brought us Gough.

    You may or may not approve, but it did make a difference then.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    4:36pm
    Correct Barak and he was a bloody disaster as Bill Shorten would be now.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    4:37pm
    So you acknowledge you were wrong about protests making no difference?
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    4:41pm
    No Barak protests had nothing to do with it the Libs lost there way
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    4:42pm
    Vietnam?
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    5:15pm
    Barak, the Vietnam War was being lost and the US and its allies were pulling out anyway. Australia's withdrawal commenced in 1970 when 8th Battalion was withdrawn and not replaced. There was a phased withdrawal and by 1973 only Embassy troops were left in Vietnam. Whitlam cancelled National Service when he came in, he didn't withdraw us from Vietnam.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    6:30pm
    Had a company from 4RAR at the very end of 1972 - I know one of those blokes....
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    8:04pm
    TREBOR, to quote a famous person, you are a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. The more I read your posts, the more of you I see yet I see nothing. I admire your education, your ability to turn a phrase and now I feel that you are a brother serviceman. I feel that my rank of sergeant was much lower than yours but still an affinity.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    8:50pm
    Ah - not the first to consider me a riddle wrapped inside an enigma.. sergeants run the army..... the 'other class' simply follows if they have sense.....

    I won't say much - I'll get into trouble, not least around the house where talk is verboten.

    Does it help if I say I've studied economics, refugee issues, Asian Pacific Region, terrorism/counter-terrorism, and have had affiliations with certain military organisations and government agencies?

    I do try to entertain and inform, but not always right.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    9:05pm
    Oh - and three days without a beer works wonders sometimes... brain works faster.. I fink.....
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    9:26pm
    I've heard that there are people who can go three days without a beer but I've always put that sort of rubbish in the urban myth category.
    Captain
    17th Jan 2017
    11:00pm
    Old Man, my father was in BCOF, Korea, Malaysia and did two tours of Vietnam and was a teetotal. He was an urban myth and great admired by his children even though we did not agree with his career choice.

    However that said, we had discussed his life with him and he was happy that we were able to discuss his and our lives in a sensible manner and agreed to disagree.

    Was he wrong in any way? We all think not, as he provided for us as best he could, provided lots of love, a home and a direction in life. A fact sadly missing from so many lives these days.

    Unfortunately, I do drink, however I do go more than 3 days between drinks. Cheers to all ex and current servicemen/women.
    TREBOR
    18th Jan 2017
    1:04am
    Actually I was the same until I was laid up with injury (three years!) and nothing to do after years of strenuous physical activity. Argh - then I found the demon booze.... though for most of my life I didn't touch a drop, not from any religious conviction or anything - just for myself, since I've seen what it can do.

    Actually I seem to be able to take a lot on board without being in any way mean or nasty. Hush but the woman loves to fight when I drink... she had a bad drunken father... I just laugh....

    Been at it a bit hard since Christmas so taking a break - good for the self-discipline anyway.
    BillF2
    17th Jan 2017
    1:29pm
    While I agree with all commentators who suggest we need a change of government, indeed a clean sweep of parliament, another election, unfortunately, will solve nothing. The problem is the political parties and the way parliament has been set up. There is no legislation or regulation controlling political parties. They are a law unto themselves and effectively have 'carte blanche' in all that they do. They determine the political and legislative agenda for the country, and that agenda is not formulated by consultation with the public. In the past this might have been acceptable if the leaders had some modicum of integrity and were genuinely concerned for the nation. Today, integrity appears to be missing from the political lexicon, vision is non-existent, and heartlessness their insignia.
    So, if we have a new election, where will we find someone with integrity and honesty? Political parties only want 'yes' men who place party and position higher than country or electors - and who can talk and say nothing.
    The political parties also make it increasingly difficult for individuals to enter parliament, especially financially. If a person of integrity stands for election, he or she not only has to pay a hefty deposit to be a candidate, but also has to pay for all advertising. Parties, though, look for, and receive large donations, have blanket advertising, have armies of (stupid) volunteers, and are able to claim reimbursement out of the public purse for the number of votes received. The individual, though, if elected, is often attacked and hounded out of parliament as quickly as possible on whatever excuse the parties can dredge up.
    I'm sorry to say the political parties have it all wrapped up, and any election will not change a thing, unless there is a massive shift in the consciousness of the Australian people and they actually see and understand what is happening to their country.
    Sen.Cit.90
    17th Jan 2017
    1:42pm
    BillF2,
    You certainly have a grasp of the present; I'm agreeing with you 100%
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    2:05pm
    Cheers, that said it all.
    Now I must get back to work selling my furniture online so I can pay back my questionable Centrelink debt.
    Patriot
    17th Jan 2017
    2:59pm
    Guys,
    I agree: "The GAME is RIGGED"!
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    4:03pm
    Dear God, jacky - I hope you are joking.... and don't owe a debt...
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    4:33pm
    Not joking TREBOR but i got lucky last week, I managed to offload all of my cutlery and kitchen utensils. ...that's kept me going until this week.
    Do you want to buy a nice 1970's sideboard?
    The carpets went the week before but I will never let go of my swag.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    4:39pm
    If you've got satellite free TV on Imparja (got satellite and terrestrial) you'll see the ad for street swags - I think it's NT... apply now and beat the rush.... spaces under the bridge are limited so book now and save the hassle.....
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    5:19pm
    The tv went four weeks ago and are native bats and spiders protected, you wouldn't want me to starve would you TREBOR?
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    8:51pm
    Dang - found a dead tiny bat in the yard yesterday - little insect fella - I think he collided with the clothes line.... buggar.... use your radar, boy....
    Canman
    17th Jan 2017
    2:37pm
    When it comes to handouts ALL Politicans belong to the one Union.
    Patriot
    17th Jan 2017
    2:58pm
    The (B/G)an(k)ster Union???
    floss
    17th Jan 2017
    3:04pm
    Yes our P.M.had the chance to be a good Prime Minister but chose the path of the greedy and in his weak ways now only looks after the big end of town.And yes because of this the LNP . will not be in power after the next election as it should be.I hope the next P.M. wil not go the same way.
    DogLover
    17th Jan 2017
    3:07pm
    I think Nick Xenophon should be PM and stick to all his ideals for politicans pensions, superannuation and expenses claims. The trouble is that when anyone has so much power they can become as bad as the current mob.
    BrianP
    17th Jan 2017
    3:26pm
    For the third time this month it needs to be asked - Why has YourLifeChoices not organised a petition from its members to suspend the Centrelink system?

    Vulnerable people are being treated as guilty making them suffer much stress to prove themselves innocent. Your article correctly states "Centrelink staff used to check and correct these errors, before sending out threatening letters".

    Please respond to this idea of a petition. Enough talking - we need action. How about also considering a claim for compensation for each and every vulnerable innocent person who has been put through hell for several months because Centrelink can't be bothered to check the correctness of their letters before sending them out?
    jackyd
    17th Jan 2017
    4:19pm
    I'll signup for that but perhaps Centrelink is too overwhelmed these days with refugees, multiple wives, generational welfare dependency, baby boomers coming of age, single mothers, work for the dole and the growing lack of opportunity for the skilled and unskilled full time job seekers just to name a few!
    Anonymous
    18th Jan 2017
    5:21am
    News reports say Centrelink is lining up to attack aged pensioners and the disabled with debt notices next. There were too many young unemployed wrongly targeted and able to prove their innocence, so the net must be expanded.
    Old Geezer
    22nd Jan 2017
    4:28pm
    No Rainey it has been so successful they have decided to expand it. Good thing too.
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    3:44pm
    Turnbull became PM only because his wife wanted him too and now he is there, he has no idea what to do next. Just as Labor backbenchers got the jitters with Gillard and brought back Rudd, government backbenchers will dump Turnbull to save their seats. Nothing to do with running the country, all about personal interest. The person who will replace him will be the one most acceptable to the media, no other qualification needed.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    6:18pm
    Husband of a domineering and glory-seeking wife. A brow-beaten shell of a person who wouldn't know the first thing about leading a dog, let alone a country. A person who is AFRAID to reprimand his "team" (that is a sick joke!) for it's gross breeches of trust as politicians - politicians who have become thieves of taxpayers' money and are running amok without ANY checks and balances, doing as they wish with the passive permission of a patheticly weak Prime Minister. Australia is being laughed at by the rest of the world for it's politicians' permissiveness.
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    7:58pm
    Are you sure about gross breeches Fast Eddie? I thought Amanda Vanstone had retired. BTW, check this link, in particular how much Shorten has spent on Family Travel Costs as against any other politician. When you use the word "thieves", don't exclude any of them. http://www.finance.gov.au/publications/parliamentarians-reporting/parliamentarians-expenditure-P38/
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    8:13pm
    OG, I wasn't referring to knickers, but I fully appreciate your reference, and, no, I am NOT excluding or overlooking any party, beit individual or political party. Most are crooks, weak and stronger ones.
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    8:38pm
    Apologies, it should have been OM, not OG.
    Wendy HK
    17th Jan 2017
    3:47pm
    Oh my goodness! Is there no end to this government wanting to destroy the pensioners, less fortunate and those who are trying to eek out an existence?
    Why, for goodness sake, are they not targeting the "big end of town" and reaping in the millions of dollars of tax that isn't being paid and while they are at it have a look at their own snouts in the trough?
    They will never get my vote again (and I'm so sorry to say I have voted for them) as long as this money gouging of the little man continues.
    musicveg
    18th Jan 2017
    12:11am
    Because the "big end of town" are their mates who donate heaps of money and have power over our political system. Why did the super tax on mining corporations not go ahead? Ask Gina Reinhart and the likes. Why did they oust Kevin Rudd for Julia Gillard? Ask the mining corporations. Check out the film 'Utopia' by John Pilger and find out why our Indigenous people suffer at the hands of our government and mining corporations who send all their profits off shore whilst reaping the lands of Indigenous and our government allows this whilst Australians still have homelessness, health care issues and struggling pensioners etc. And pay very little or no tax! And on top of that get billions in subsidies etc.
    john
    17th Jan 2017
    4:39pm
    I can see the general public finally gettng to see the types of people we vote into office. I think a great many Australians need to open their eyes a bit more and take a bit more notice of what goes on around them.
    If we all did then complacency in the minds of these trough feeders may go out the gate and some of them may understand what they actually are. Representatives!
    Some forget and also don't even realise what they have done is just wrong, maybe illegal.
    Then try to excuse themselves, well both major parties do this rorting at different times so I think it is any wonder the independents and the minor parties are getting more and more popular!

    17th Jan 2017
    4:40pm
    ANYONE with only one half of a brain would be TOTALLY disgusted with and ABSOLUTELY distrustful of this government with the "stunts" these bloody devious theieving politicians have done with taxpayers' dollars and with not performing their duties for which they have been elected. Not only hasn't Turncoat not done ONE thing positive for this country since he has been in office, but he appears to be of a gross weakness in character as a "leader" (HA!) to his party members, or they wouldn't all be on the bandwagon getting away with STEALING taxpayers' money for their family vacations, polo and football match admissions, house hunting ventures, etc, etc. Apple News today shows b. Joyce sampling beer in a Eumundi, Qld brewery and smiling like a shi_thouse rat with his enjoyment - taxpayer dollars again?
    Would these deadbeat politicians do these things IF they didn't think they could get away with them under their weak-as-water leader? OF COURSE NOT!! "Cayman Island Mal" is turning a blind eye to all this stuff while he quietly does his own thing - ABSOLUTELY SOD ALL! He dropped the ball BIGTIME with the NBN and hasn't even been in TOUCH with the ball nor reality since! The guy is a stumbler and a bumbler who couldn't care any less about this country nor it's people. The "Innovation Generation" promoter who can't even get wires hooked up to provide us with internet technology before it becomes obsolete. The guy is a TOTAL NONEVENT, just like his style as a p.m. - late, after dark, the lights are out! Pathetic, incompetent, and politically negligent can be added to disgusting and untrustworthy. YUK!
    Oliva
    27th Jan 2017
    6:02pm
    So-will he GO or will he STAY?
    grounded
    17th Jan 2017
    5:12pm
    Personally, I can't speak highly enough of Malcolm.....He's the Man - leading a strong and resolute Government. Of course of few of the shady end of town would vote for a Getup/George Soros commissioned Intel Survey.....but we all know how reliable Polls are now....if November 8, 2016 has already escaped our memories.

    Well done Malcolm....we'll all see you again being sworn in as PM sometime in 2019.....Don't worry abut the chattering classes Mal...that's all they ever do....chatter....chirpy, chirpy, cheep, cheep. The quiet majority know which side our bread is buttered on!
    Old Man
    17th Jan 2017
    5:19pm
    Your sobriquet suggests what your next move should be. You are about to be reviled, abused, called names and have your parentage put into question. You are either very brave or have a wicked sense of humour.
    grounded
    17th Jan 2017
    5:26pm
    Tah 'Old Man'....This thread has been like an old 78 record...caught in the same repetitive groove - must hate LNP, must Hate Malcolm.

    Thought I would move the stylus arm along a little...without scratching the record. Yep...I know, the Comrades....all 6/8 of them, will be out to scalp me...heh, heh, heh...
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    5:39pm
    Drool.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    6:35pm
    Yes - as fine and upstanding a body of men and women as ever was - full-blooded Aussies and willing to go that extra ten miles for the little man or those less well off or in need, and prepared to take all the hard decisions that impact on those same people to prove their credentials - never has the world seen the like since the ShutzStaffeln in NAZI Germany ... nor will it again.....
    grounded
    17th Jan 2017
    6:59pm
    Comrade Trebor.....Huh........????? Wat you talking 'bout Comrade....?
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    7:19pm
    More like Einsatzgruppen.
    TREBOR
    17th Jan 2017
    8:54pm
    Yeeeusshh - I alwus discush Malcolm .. schpeak highly of 'im ... when I'm pished, too!

    Ah - Einsatzgruppen Centrelink! You got it Fast Eddie.
    Charlie
    17th Jan 2017
    5:19pm
    Governments should listen to what people have been telling them for years. Fix Centrelink.
    I have replies from Department of Human Services regarding complaints I made about about Centrelink, that go back to the Gillard government.
    After voting for Labor most of my life, this is about the worst Labor party I've ever seen and the greens have been equally disappointing, so when it comes to voting, just about any party has an equal chance to get my vote.
    thommo
    17th Jan 2017
    5:19pm
    And what about the new pension assets test which came into force on 1.1.17 resulting in huge cuts to retirees income.
    This is another reason why the LNP is doing badly in the polls, and it won't stop until they evicted from office at the next election.
    alinejordan
    17th Jan 2017
    5:23pm
    i dont' understand why when Rudd/Gillard were in government we were bombarded with Newspolls every week, telling is how unpopular the then government was, it was unbearable, how regularly the polls were coming out, for no obvious reason. now the NLP are in government we hardly ever hear anything about polls. all of a sudden we don't need to hear how unpopular this government is, the press isn't shoving polls down our throats anymore.. fair?? me think not!
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    5:41pm
    A spade is a spade, whether the media tells you that or not.
    musicveg
    18th Jan 2017
    12:18am
    Maybe the media moguls support the Coalition?
    cdbstock
    17th Jan 2017
    5:39pm
    Not surprised! - but Turnbull is so weak that his 'solution' - to have all travel claims copied to him - is far from 'enough'. The rules need much tightening. another issue concerning 'noses-in-the-trough' is 'entitlements' for ex-parliamentarians. I propose a workable solution:
    Increase parliamentarians' pay/allowances (say by 100%).
    Cease all ex-parliamentarians' entitlements (eg: 'gold' travel passes, offices, drivers, etc)
    Change laws/rules re super for ex-parliamentarians so that they are under the same laws.rules as the rest of us (eg: contributory - except for the compulsory employer contribution - age/conditions for access).
    Any minor party going to an election with such a policy would force the major parties to accept that policy or the major parties would lose votes or even government & the minor party with such a policy would inevitably gain support
    KB
    17th Jan 2017
    5:40pm
    There is no politician or party worthy of my vote,They like to side with one side or the other to get their on ideas through, They should not have to do this.
    TMac
    17th Jan 2017
    8:15pm
    My oh my, all I ever seem to read on this site is older folk whinging and whining... surely we should have outgrown this behaviour by now.

    I'm guessing most of us are well past 50 and for that we should be thankful, so lets get out of our chairs, go for a walk round the block, let off a bit of steam and be thankful for what we have and what we have done in our lives.....over to you !!
    Anonymous
    17th Jan 2017
    8:37pm
    Once you have "outgrown this behaviour" (your words) you are in a prime position to become a whimpering, simpering slave who does as they are told without the slightest question or objection. If that is what you have become I pity you. Your life is over.
    TMac
    17th Jan 2017
    9:03pm
    Thanks fast Eddie, appreciate the uplifting advice, hope your day gets a bit better from here, I'm having a cracker...
    Aussie
    17th Jan 2017
    8:37pm
    Well self inflicting ..... we made a bad choice again so now I agree with Mick ....New Election is required ASAP.

    Now we also loosing our dear Holden to overseas manufacturers ...wowowo and then we import them back to AU ??????? Holden is now is manufactured in Thailand
    Thank you very much dear LNP ..., you did nothing to help our car industry ......
    We now have Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes and other manufacturers and no protection for our industry .... what a peace of shit government ....

    Read this .....

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/manufacturing/meet-the-factory-workers-in-thailand-that-will-take-our-jobs-once-australias-car-manufacturing-industry-closes/news-story/576545b39f5ce34f014defcce8135da5

    YES We new a new election and do what Trump will do to protect the local industry ......
    Maybe we need to vote for Pauline ....she looks better than this bunch
    Retired Knowall
    21st Jan 2017
    8:45am
    130065506
    Aussie
    17th Jan 2017
    8:42pm
    Where are the LNP defenders ..... OG, KSS and others ...the 3 amigos ... very silent hey hey

    Come'n OG ...defend your friends now .......
    HarrysOpinion
    17th Jan 2017
    9:35pm
    OG is probably being interviewed by AFP for complicity in assisting people to make false claims on Centrelink and then there is the question about bribery of Centrelink staff with burgers and lifts home, which he readily admitted on this site over last few days.
    Captain
    17th Jan 2017
    10:39pm
    HS,
    I do not agree with OG in almost anything he/she/it writes however, the person he/she/it bought hamburgers for and gave a lift home was a client not a Centrelink employee.
    TREBOR
    18th Jan 2017
    8:09am
    Yes - to be fair I thought he was talking about his client copping a burger and a lift. His heart seems to be in the right place.
    HarrysOpinion
    20th Jan 2017
    1:44pm
    "however, the person he/she/it bought hamburgers for and gave a lift home was a client not a Centrelink employee"

    - OK I retract this part what I misunderstood in that context - However, helping clients to underestimate their reported incomes and or change in circumstances can lead the client into future financial problems with Centrelink. It is best to get it over and done with factual reporting.
    Lookfar
    22nd Jan 2017
    5:32pm
    On another thread OG has become RG, Robo Geezer.
    Teddyboy.
    17th Jan 2017
    10:37pm
    The LNP have sucked in the public for years with their claims of being the only ones who can manage the economy. What rubbish. Even the much lauded John Howard wasted a fortune on tax cuts for the wealthy instead of investing in much needed infrastructure health and education. They are there purely to support the wealthy and big business. Can't imagine what would have happened had they been in power during the GFC.
    Captain
    17th Jan 2017
    10:46pm
    We would be in a much worse situation than we are now, however the current opposition are no better.

    Give them all the boot , create a new set of salary and entitlements package (much lower of course) and watch them all disappear.

    Perhaps we may get some older, maybe wiser folk who will do the job and consider Australia's and our younger people's future rather than shoring up their own positions and short sighted agenda's.
    PIXAPD
    18th Jan 2017
    12:36am
    I do not vote for any of them...not a single one.... No Christian person should vote, to do so is to betray the Lord Yeshua.
    Anonymous
    18th Jan 2017
    5:30am
    Call yourself a Christian, Pixapd? Lord Yeshua help us please! If you are Christian, we are in dire straights. But then, I seem to recall a few self-serving politicians made a similar claim. It might fool some of the people some of the time. (You sure don't fool me!)
    PIXAPD
    18th Jan 2017
    7:32am
    As I said so I repeat...... I do not vote for any of them...not a single one.... No Christian person should vote, to do so is to betray the Lord Yeshua.
    PIXAPD
    18th Jan 2017
    7:34am
    Rainey.... I entreat unbelievers such as yourself, to repent and become Christians, thus I point each of you to the Cross; GO look upon the Lord Yeshua, the messiah, the only begotten Son of the living God. Who died for our sins according to the scriptures, was buried and rose again;

    www.richard-2782.net/forme.htm
    TREBOR
    18th Jan 2017
    8:10am
    Aye - render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.... sell the rest.....
    Anonymous
    19th Jan 2017
    6:42pm
    What an arrogant self-opinionated person you are, Pixapd. How would you know whether or not I am unbeliever? You know nothing about me. What I know of you is that your conduct - as evidenced in your posts here - is unchristian. And you've evidenced your hypocrisy by your baseless assumptions about me. No true Christian would make such baseless assumptions.
    Argydubbaya
    18th Jan 2017
    8:18am
    The following is an excerpt bi H.Marsh, I urge all to read Binding Chaos, a short read and free on the net,
    "The prevailing culture around the world, in fashion, in music, in architecture and in lifestyle, is mass produced corporate ugliness, not evolved from any regional culture. We are educated in the same way for the same jobs and coerced by the same news and celebrities. We are all under the same empire but we have no great collaborative projects or joint plans for the future. We have lost our tribal societies but instead of receiving protection from outside plunder, the current empire has convinced us to plunder ourselves, to destroy our own homes and poison our own children and walk willingly into lifelong slavery with no chains. The global elite have no basis of authority but with no existing societies or system of collaboration that is not based on the trade economy, most feel helpless to change the underlying structure"
    We argue among ourselves about political celebrities while we lose.
    Not Senile Yet!
    20th Jan 2017
    1:38am
    Really????
    DISGUST???
    OH COME ON...SURELY YOU JEST???
    We all love our Corrupt Party Puppets...both sides...left & right...Lnp or Labor!!!
    Anyone would think that we stopped voting for them last election???
    Biggest swing to independants in our Political History...was what they said....quietly!
    I wonder if that trend might just be the beginning???
    Perhaps we are overdue for a Landslide Vote for anyone BUT the Corrupt Party Puppets and/or their Parties???
    The NT State election wiped out the LNP up there yet none of those votes went to Labor....they all went to Independants!
    I wonder WHY???
    Lookfar
    20th Jan 2017
    1:05pm
    Came across this short movie, A letter from Centre link, - also called Centerelink fail, on this website,
    https://thejuicemedia.com
    I particularly enjoyed one of the finishing lines, - giving a telephone number to contact Centrelink, with the comment 'if you don't die of natural causes while waiting to talk to a real person, we can offer you counselling'.
    Aussie
    21st Jan 2017
    5:07am
    What do you think about TRUMP Inauguration ??????
    America First ..... can we say Australia and the working people first ??????

    Maybe something to learn from his speech
    Not matter if you like him or not he has supply a message that our politicians should learn about and work for US NOT FOR THEM .....
    Oliva
    27th Jan 2017
    6:22pm
    I think hes starting at the beginning-making his own country strong first. And I think Turnbulls on to it? We Wish.
    Oliva
    27th Jan 2017
    3:34pm
    Time to Drain the Swamp. Poor old Turnbull. He doesn't even know he's a loser. But who? who? who? is going to drain our swamp and make our country great again. Globalisation is not the answer for Australia. Australia needs to add value to its raw products before exporting them. We should not be sending raw products to other countries and getting that product back in finished form. Exporting raw materials is exporting jobs. We must create jobs based on our raw materials-good old down to earth manufacturing. EG we don't export crocodile skins -we export handbags-simple stuff.Malcolm Turnbull's techno innovation blather is simply blather.
    Lookfar
    27th Jan 2017
    4:47pm
    Hi Oliva, I agree totally, and in regard to all the Australia Day floundering, that is what the original white settlers did, - can not buy too far away, make it ourselves, and probably the earlier black folk also, although had less technological background, ie nil, so invented eg, Boomerang, harvesting of tiny seeds, - all sorts of things, so really an inventive country, a harsh environment, droughts and flooding rains etc, so we need to tap that fundamental urgency in our 'folk spirit' - for want of a better word, to innovate, to work around, to make do, but with ideas of how to do better, even dare I breathe the word, be Creative in solving our problems, - and the Govt should be totally behind that, providing capital where needed, helping schools which increase our kid's skill base, honouring the land we live on rather than flogging it off to Multinationals for a penny, - or the modern travesty, us paying the multinationals to rape us, - eg Adani, - we all need to really look closer at these issues and start discussing , then further, doing things to achieve what we want to achieve, - neither a Brexit, nor a Trump, swap at the top, but a basic us doing it, the will is where we are really strong, when we genuinely get down to it.
    So Who? who is Us, all who live here in Oz, the ones who help out a stranger in distress, who come around to help clean up a flooded house, anyone that has that ethic, and happy to tell it to any newcomers that might listen, - Us.
    Oliva
    27th Jan 2017
    6:08pm
    Lookfar-do you have a blog?-you are really on to it and it is so simple and doable. You might be interested in the Kotare Village in Wairoa New Zealand-back to the land and the simple life-sustainability-being responsible for your own survival.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy9ytc24sky4gpVINPhZeBA
    Lookfar
    29th Jan 2017
    4:09pm
    Hi Oliva, thanks for your kind comments, and no I don't have a blog, - looked at your Wairoa site, - I am very supportive of such endeavours and indeed founded a land co-op in NSW which thrives to this day, although fate or my decisions has landed me here in north FNQ owning a small farm on which I am developing Biochar as a practice to recover the lost farming land all over the world due to the focus on artificial pesticides and fertilisers, and to re-introduce the lost carbon, both to re-invigorate the undersoil community of 'wee beasties,' - funguses, bacteria, etc. lost by both chemical farming and widespread land clearing, and also to sequestrate carbon, of which we now have a 'tad' too much in the atmosphere, which is both un-needed and harmful.
    If the current trend continues, of huge soulless multinationals buying up all our farming land, controlling our education, political parties, media and ideas etc, these small communities may be the only repositories of our culture for the time of transition when the Neo-Liberal 'philosophy' has failed, as it always has in the past, usually destroying the society it had parasited on, so the small communities may help significantly in the rebuilding that follows, if possible for there to be a re-building, - looking at the worst case.
    So whilst continuing on only the most developed parts of my renewable energy business, (my former answer to global warming, but now lots of companies are working there,) I have become a farmer, learning from scratch, and having great success with the Biochar, selling lotsa yummy vegies at local markets, and helping to increase the local community aspect of those.
    As Biochar is not on this YLC discussion topic, please feel free to contact me on my own email wind@iig.com.au if you would like further info on that subject.
    Oliva
    29th Jan 2017
    5:25pm
    Good work Lookfar-wish you well-I come off a small farm in NZ so I'm pretty well grounded Survival is from the ground the sun the air and the water are provided-we just have to do it.
    1944
    11th Aug 2017
    11:45am
    I emailed a 'Change to Circumstances' to Centrelink in 2016. Centrelink denied receiving my email. I then submitted a Statutory Declaration to Centrelink which they refused to accept and told me if I wished to appeal I could take my case to the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. Next time I will go straight to the Minister's Office as I am a branch office holder and delegate in his political party state conference.


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