Election 2016: Labor lead two-party polling

The latest Newspoll has revealed that Labor is now ahead in the polls on two-party terms.

The latest Newspoll results reveal that for the first time since Malcolm Turnbull took over the role of Prime Minister from Tony Abbott, the Bill Shorten-led opposition is ahead in the polls.

Conducted on behalf of The Australian, the Newspoll surveyed 1763 people between Thursday and Sunday of last week, and revealed that Labor is now ahead 51-49 on two-party terms. This result comes just 10 weeks after the Coalition started the political year with a 53-47 lead. The Government’s primary vote has fallen to 41 per cent, down five per cent since the start of the year, while Labor has reached a six-month high of 36 per cent.

Malcolm Turnbull remains the preferred prime minister, but his lead over Mr Shorten has narrowed from 31 points to 21.

Read more from The Australian

Opinion: Poll results surprise few

In political terms, last week was a low-point for the Turnbull-led Government, with the scrapping of the hugely unpopular proposal that would have seen state and territory governments set their own income tax rates. The Australian's timely commissioning of a Newspoll revealed the change in sentiment: a Labor lead in the polling. After all, it makes for a good news story.

Since the return to Parliament just 10 weeks ago, it feels as if the Coalition has made mistake after mistake. Even so, don’t let the latest polling results fool you – due to Mr Turnbull’s overwhelming popularity, the Coalition are still the heavy favourite to take out the next election.

There is every possibility that the Government will force a double-dissolution election for July 2, and the May budget will be the most likely become a cornerstone of the Coalition’s re-election battle.

What do you think? Have the past week’s failings lowered your opinion of the Prime Minister’s ability to lead the country? Is Bill Shorten’s popularity, or lack thereof, an issue for Labor going into the next election? Were you surprised by the poll results? 





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    Happy cyclist
    5th Apr 2016
    10:04am
    Goodness, YLC, I'm surprised you give so much credence to the polls. I don't.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    10:17am
    Poll do vary in their credibility, but this is a Newspoll, in The Australian, both from the Murdoch, Lib loving side of politics. When such a poll shows negatives about the Coalition, it definitely has credibility.
    Happy cyclist
    5th Apr 2016
    10:38am
    So, Barak, you don't think it could be the agenda of the Murdoch press to play down the Libs chances because always some people vote for whichever side is seen to be the underdog? I'm not saying it is but I am sceptical of anything in the Murdoch press. I'd like to know exactly how many people are polled? Is it truely representative of the broader electorate? I have seen polls where just a few hundred people all in one place are the sample. You can't tell me that would be representative. However, you might be right--this poll may be accurate. My money is on he poll on 9 July (or whenever) for accuracy.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    10:46am
    Details of the poll are here:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/newspoll-malcolm-turnbull-coalition-lose-lead-to-labor/news-story/481794644ea4fc1cb898cb7189fd84b0

    They polled 1743 people, a reasonable number, if well distributed geographically.
    Polly Esther
    5th Apr 2016
    2:28pm
    I quite regularly, and have for a good number of years now, received an SMS on my mobile phone from the Roy Morgan gallup poll asking "If an election was held now who would receive your first preference"? The Morgan poll is one of many that does carry credibility. I can finish with my answer to the last question, "No I am not surprised" by the poll results.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    5:08pm
    Government popularity polls are always ten feet long.
    ozzie
    5th Apr 2016
    10:12am
    No surprise to me..."Malcolm can't make his mind up" is arguably the most indecisive PM & Federal Government since the late Malcolm Fraser & his Government in 1983. "Turdbull" and his "at war" colleagues from the far right & centre are a "fractured party" & will do nothing but float "thought bubbles" as distinct from actually doing something. The old rule of politics goes "if you can't Govern yourself, you can't Govern the Country"......
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    10:29am
    "Shorten out in the lead by a short half head !"
    "But here comes Malcolm's Pride with a blistering run down the outside, will He make it to the line ? :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    10:49am
    Well actually, no. Malcolm is not making "a blistering run down the outside". Where did you get that idea?
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    12:09pm
    Hold yer horses Willis they race aint over YET !! :-)
    Greg
    5th Apr 2016
    1:41pm
    Yep, plenty of lieing to come yet.
    Hasbeen
    5th Apr 2016
    1:51pm
    I'm not sure he actually has a mind to make up ozzie.

    There has been no indication of one in his performances this last 6 months.

    5th Apr 2016
    10:18am
    I recall when the Libs used to win elections by highlighting the factions in the Labor Party.

    It's the Libs who are clearly divided right now, with no-one strong enough to pull things back together.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    5:12pm
    There is one man....... Charles Atlas!
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    6:57pm
    sorry, my mistake I meant Don Athaldo. Just couldn't think of his name.
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    10:22am
    Not that I care ! But I demand a Recount ! :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    10:22am
    Why?
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    10:30am
    Us Mushrooms don't believe Anything now ! :-(
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    11:28am
    I agree with you on that parti. This bonfire serves two purposes. Firstly to make the LNP team nervous and secondly......I forget about the second purpose, anyway it doesn't matter.
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    12:22pm
    I think I will just sit back and watch the Left..Right..Left Right !
    Marching as to War ! :-) :-)
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    1:56pm
    Off Subject here !..
    The State Guv (Housing) is Helping Mal Big Time !
    I just received a letter from Housing NSW telling me that the new charges for water will be $5.75 A WEEK Now that's $11.60 a fortnight ! :-( After they already Helped themselves to a cut of the Pension "Rise" . And Now water rates is the same amount as the last 2 pension Adjustments for a Year ! What's left for the Pensioner to spend on other necessities ?? Yes you guessed it, What Paddy Shot at !! :-( We are going BACKWARDS at a Rate of Knots ! :-( :-(
    Thanks Mr Beard ! :-(
    Strummer
    5th Apr 2016
    10:34am
    Life is so much easier in opposition.
    Golfer
    5th Apr 2016
    10:46am
    I hope Labor sees it that way too. I can't bring myself to vote for them again since their last disgraceful reign.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    10:49am
    OK Golfer, what was disgraceful about it?
    Paddles
    5th Apr 2016
    10:58am
    Barak

    Just when did you arrive in this country? It must have been in the last two years!
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    11:00am
    Paddles - I am not the topic here.
    Happy cyclist
    5th Apr 2016
    11:33am
    Oh, Paddles. Why would you think that Barak has "arrived" in this country after you? My last name is very foreign yet I had ancestors on the second fleet (my apologies to the original occupants of the country). Your insults say a lot more about you than about those you are trying to insult.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    11:50am
    Paddles, Barak and Happy cyclist have explained what is wrong with this country and why we cant move forward. Some people have the memory span of a gold fish. he he he. I mean that in a nice way. They think it's ok to wage war on industry, grow the public service so the unemployed figure is acceptable, increase taxes and waste our money.
    I wish I was given a choice if part of my taxes went to the Clinton foundation to make corflute posters of Hillary. Was it $20m?
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    12:34pm
    Frank - What ARE you talking about?

    How does Hilary Clinton fit in?
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    1:02pm
    Barak - try to keep up? The Gillard government donated $20m of tax payer funds to the Clinton Foundation. So I'm assuming it funded the millions of corflute photos of Hillary. That is the raison deter of the Foundation isn't it? And how much of that $10b "green fund" did Al Gore get his hands on? We Aussies are a soft touch.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    1:10pm
    Got a source for that claim Frank? I'd like to learn more about it.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    5:21pm
    It would be in Hansard. I heard it discussed in parliament.
    And the $10b green fund you know about right?
    Al Gore flew over here to have a breakfast meeting with Clive Palmer who held the balance of power in the Senate. Remember?
    Al said he didn't care what else happened as long as Clive allowed the $10b green fund to proceed and thwart Abbott from using it to pay off Labor's massive debt. You know Gore has a solar panel business, don't you? Yeah it's head office is in London.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    5:26pm
    Got a source for ANY of those claims Frank? My experience is that haters tend to have very distorted memories of the "facts" they use to justify their hatred.

    And don't tell ME where to look. It's YOU making the outrageous claims, so it's YOU who has to prove them, otherwise I'll just call the whole story male cow manure.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    5:38pm
    Barak, this thread is not about me. Insulting me will have no effect on your ignorance.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    5:42pm
    A request for a source for an extreme claim is anything but an insult. You not providing one is the insulting behaviour.

    That response pretty much proves you don't have one.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    5:45pm
    Can you prove it?
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    5:47pm
    I think you've lost both me and the argument there.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    8:38pm
    Like I say, if you want to get the best out of me then you could try some sincere flattery.
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2016
    10:52am
    Hard to flatter someone who makes claims he refuses to substantiate, Frank. Either it's true and you can present evidence, or it's false and you are being misleading. Which is it? If the former, ante up. Otherwise we will all judge that it's false. That's human nature. No proof - no belief (except by fools who can't resist being swayed by propaganda or who need to be one of the sheep to be socially accepted).
    Adrianus
    8th Apr 2016
    1:53pm
    So you knew nothing about any of that? You wont hear that on the ABC.
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2016
    1:55pm
    Well, I'll ask again.

    What independent, reliable source IS it from?
    Adrianus
    8th Apr 2016
    2:57pm
    What are you actually asking Barak? Please be clear?
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2016
    3:11pm
    Can't be bothered.

    Getting proper sourcing out of you guys for outrageous claims is nigh impossible. You don't seem to comprehend the need.
    Adrianus
    8th Apr 2016
    3:23pm
    C'mon Barak. Don't get upset with me I'm just asking a question? If you're asking about the donation to the Clintons, Green Fund or the Union payment to train upcoming union leaders, I read it about 2 years ago. It was freely available Government information from the expenditure review committee. Like I said you will not know about this stuff if you only rely on the ABC.
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2016
    3:29pm
    Thank you for perfectly proving my point.
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2016
    4:10pm
    Frank, you remind me of Queenslander Joh! '''Don't you worry about that''. Just take what I say on face value. You are not worthy of detail. Sorry, but if you can't present solid evidence, I will continue you assume you are full of it.
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2016
    7:35pm
    Yes Rainey, this is a big problem here. Contributing to a debate with something like "I saw on the news a couple of years ago that....", and expecting whatever comes next to be taken as pure fact by all readers.

    It's stunningly weird.
    Adrianus
    11th Apr 2016
    7:55pm
    Gee you two really have it bad.
    I'll try not to lose sleep over your criticism.

    People should never forget the useless Labor ministers following Rudd, Gillard and Shorten (the real one calling the shots) were wasting $6m per month for private charter flights for asylum seekers while the Flying Doctor Service was getting only $4m per month from the Federal Labor Party. What a joke!!
    And you want them to have another crack at it????
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2016
    8:34pm
    Not with policies like that. Doesn't mean I like the dumb things the Libs are doing though.

    Please note that I am capable of finding fault with politicians of all colours. One of democracy's biggest problems is unthinking voters who become rusted on to any party.
    Glen48
    5th Apr 2016
    10:57am
    So vote for which party?????Australian Liberty Alliance I guess
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    11:00am
    Is that a joke?

    That's the Willfully Ignorant Bigots' Party, isn't it?
    Paddles
    5th Apr 2016
    11:00am
    Glen48

    I am quite anxious to see if the ALA fields a candidate in my electorate of Gilmore.
    If they are faithful to their manifesto, then they are just what this country has been crying out for!
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    11:02am
    I prefer a party that has as a platform something more than hatred for a group within our society.

    A party that looks forward, not backwards.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    12:29pm
    Glen48, The ALA have some good values. I haven't had a good look at them until now. I just thought they had one policy and that was to make sure Australia didn't fall victim to a totalitarian ideology with global aspirations. But they have a range of good ideals. Especially privatising unwanted sections of the ABC and SBS. I think their popularity will surprise many of us.
    Sen.Cit.90
    5th Apr 2016
    1:02pm
    Glen 48,
    I am with you also and concur with Paddles and Frank.
    No Barak, it is not a joke that is a better description for the ALP
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    1:06pm
    Calling party a joke is not constructive.

    The ALA is based around hating one religion. A religion that has existed in Australia for longer than you have been here, and which has done you no harm.

    They might have other policies, but I cannot ignore the core one of hatred.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    2:51pm
    Barak, we are not talking about a normal run of the mill religion. It is a government structure. Anyway I have no problem with anyone praying to anyone they like. I'm just worried about the replies and instructions that come back.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    7:05pm
    Barak, just curious. How many people has this ALA killed in the name of their policies?
    Do you have a number?
    Happy Jack
    5th Apr 2016
    11:08am
    Yep! You've got to give it to the 2GB boys- hadley, jones, etc along with the likes of bolt and even Kennett
    They called it right- the deposing of abbott would be the death of their ( so called ) LIEberal party.
    They have been expousing their hatred of tumbles turnbull ever since the coup.

    To understand this state of affairs we need to take into account that they consider tumbles to be in the wrong party.

    Now poor old tumbles, due to his beholden to the nationals and the extreme right wing of the conservative LIEberal party whch has caused him to renounce his most precious beliefs is caught in the slimey quick sand which devours those who put their political aspirations ahead of their beliefs and principles.

    The irony of all this is that the extreme right in the parlaughmentary LIEberal party who installed him to save their own necks which were on the block due to the non performing mad abbott will toss him to the wolves just as ruthlessly as the manner in which he was installed.
    hmmm
    5th Apr 2016
    11:24am
    don't believe anything in the next 3 months,
    don't forget anything in the last 3 years.
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    12:25pm
    OK ! Sounds good to me :-)
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    2:52pm
    make that 8 years!
    nena
    5th Apr 2016
    11:29am
    I´m very astonished about the way MT. is acting since he was elected as PM. It seems to me that he doesn’t like his job! His luck of enthusiasm and the calmness displayed appears as he is tormented for something threatening such as... an illness? Or is that he is very, very smart, hopefully is this last one.
    KSS
    5th Apr 2016
    12:42pm
    You are worried about Mr Turnbull's calm demeanour nena? What would you rather? Someone running around like a chuck with its head chopped off yelling "the sky's falling"
    Adrianus
    6th Apr 2016
    8:53am
    nena, I have noticed as well. I have heard in the news that Neville Wran's daughter Harriet has settled out of court in her's and her brother's lawsuit against Kim, relating to the estate. Anyone who has had to deal with deceased estates will find it very emotionally draining and especially so with this one. Harriet in gaol on a murder charge, siblings (beneficiaries) obviously at odds. As executor you are absolutely in the middle of it, especially when the family is well known to you.
    How very observant of you to notice that nena. Not many people would see that far away look in someone's eyes.
    Anyhoo,
    A distraction which may have just sorted itself?
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    11:33am
    Is Bill Shorten’s popularity, or lack thereof, an issue for Labor going into the next election? Were you surprised by the poll results? Yes and Yes! :-O
    We can all have lapses of memory and it seems for a short moment some of us forgot how unpopular Bill Shorten is.
    Bill's popularity is about equal to the popularity of the Unions.
    I think around 18% of the workforce are union members?
    Tom Tank
    5th Apr 2016
    11:55am
    If you cast your memory back Malcolm Fraser was always unpopular amoungst voters but the Libs won elections with him as leader.
    This is NOT the U.S., at least not yet, so the popularity of the leader isn't the be all and end all.
    The latest polls really highlight the state of flux within the electorate.
    We were all, or at least most us, gratefully relieved to see the back of Abbott but I guess most of us are really disappointed in Turnbull.
    To quote one journalist he is progressive on social issues but very conservative on economic ones. He sure knows how to dither and make statements that seem to be concocted by Monty Python.
    wally
    5th Apr 2016
    12:22pm
    There is too much emphasis on the politics of personality in a Westminster style political system. The politicians elect the leader of their party, not the mug punters out in the electorate. While in the USA we see wannabe presidential nominees going through their paces prior to final selection in the run up to the election. no such process exists here.

    Yet there is too much focus on political party leadership here. Is this because the media find it a convenient shortcut to highlight the differences in the leaders rather than on the policies of their respective parties? Are the political parties policies reflected in the poll results? I think not.

    Yet we see that nervous politicians (and party hacks) colluding to oust the party leaders that were put into the Prime Ministership three times since 2010. Tony Abbott was only the most resent victim in this revolt by Malcolm and the Bedwetters (sounds like an incontinent "70's rock band) Now that the polls have drifted in favour of Labor as Malcolm's attempt to be "all things to all people" reveals that he has feet of clay and appears to be guided more by self preservation in the Liberal leadership as opposed to any principal that Abbott espoused in the 2013 election that led to the ousting of Labor.

    So where does this leave to die hard core Liberal voter? Do they vote to turn the Liberals out because they do not like Turnbull? Are they prepared to inflict another dose of Labor mismanagement on the Australian public? Malcolm's efforts to reverse things Abbott instituted simply confuse the voters, a dangerous and foolish practice with an election looming in the near future. Does he think he is going to lure the hard core Labor and Green voters away from Bill Shorten with these policy reversals? Or will he offend even more the existing Liberal voters to the extent that they abandon the Liberals?

    Of course the big winner in all of the uproar going on in the Liberal Party is Bill Shorten and the Labor Party. The conservative Liberal voter must weigh up whether to punish Malcolm Turnbull and his bed wetting mates (and risk a return of Labor to government) or to hold their noses and vote to return the LNP to government.

    After all, you don't shoot the horse just because you don't like the jockey.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    12:32pm
    Franks view seems to be that Labor would be a bad government because Shorten isn't popular. There's actually no logic at all in that view.
    Happy Jack
    5th Apr 2016
    12:40pm
    The upcoming election will not only be about the leaders, Frank. Policies will play a large part in the voters choice and what have we got coming forth from the LIEberal party- left over bubble and squeak from nearly six years ago-: abolish the carbon tax, abolish the mining tax, stop the boats and of course the one they've given up on- bring the budget back to surplus.
    This mob are MORRIbound and devoid of rational thinking and the ability to evolve policies to keep this country on the rails and deal with the big issues like education, health and climate change not to mention not being able to get it all together on making a decision on same sex ma?iage. No, "we'll pass the buck and go to a plebiscite and ignore the fact that the electors installed us in the decision making chamber and pay us big bucks to make decisions" not to wimp on it. And all this at a cost of at least 300 million. Give up on them frank, they're bloody hopeless
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    1:22pm
    wally, Labor voters reckon Tony Abbott didn't win the election. They all seem to agree that Labor lost it because they were so bad. Many Labor voters claim it to be Australia's worst government. How are they going to convince us that we should give them another crack at destroying our economy? I haven't heard anything yet?
    Personally, I think Labor and the Unions fear Abbott because he is a strong leader who gets the job done. They feel like they have a better chance with Turnbull.
    MICK
    5th Apr 2016
    1:46pm
    Frank: you must be getting desperate. Bill has a low approval rating but yet the policies of the government are on the nose as they attack average Australians whilst seeking to reward the rich. Same old game. And your troll comments also never change.
    I'll take the bait about unions. I call for a FEDERAL ICAC WHICH HAVE POWERS TO INVESTIGATE THE BIG END OF TOWN. You want to talk about 'corruption' on a huge scale? Really? The forget about your scapegoat the unions and concentrate on the wealthy. That is where the real game is. But you already know that!
    Readers need to watch Four Corners (rerun on Saturday). This is when the attempts of this government to tag unions will end because people will realise that the big end of town fraud is why there is little money left for for the rest of the nation.
    Adrianus
    6th Apr 2016
    7:57am
    mick, do you think people will vote for Labor in the hope that the unions will sack Shorten after the election? My guess is Bill will be glued on tighter to the union movement if he has a victory. Voters aren't stupid. They would have seen Shorten's management skills on display at the HSU Victorian No.1 Branch. If the CFMEU is investing $millions in this campaign then surely they would want a return on their investment?
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    9:15am
    Wrong. Voters ARE stupid.

    Well, very poorly informed.
    Brissiegirl
    5th Apr 2016
    12:36pm
    This morning, the "agile" Turnbull refused to address the latest Newspoll results - guiltily avoiding the subject because he deposed our former PM on account of "polls" and the economy. He looks like a deer caught in headlights and seems to have difficulty conveying public policy. It is highly apparent Turnbull won't be able to repeatedly ignore future poll questions - he should have addressed the issue instead of attempting to avoid it. He was a failure as Communications Minister (he left the NBN in a complete shambles). Being a successful businessman does not automatically translate into being a good Prime Minister. The opposition hated (and hates) Abbott because he was politically tough, characteristically strong and capable of winning from behind. He was a very formidable competitor.Turnbull is way out of his depth and he looks like it. IMO he is bringing the Liberal Party down and is being "found out" just as he was with his Godwin Grech saga. I think the LNP will stumble over the line with this uncomfortable, flailing prime minister simply because the ALP/Union/Green alternative is unthinkable to many Australians who associate them with the disastrous money hand-out and union corruption Rudd/Gillard years.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    12:39pm
    You have been brainwashed, probably by Murdoch, Jones and Bolt.

    Please go and study some facts. They don't come from those sources.
    Brissiegirl
    5th Apr 2016
    1:14pm
    Dear Barak please go away and study some manners. I am old enough and strong enough to form my own conclusions without external influence. When you criticise contributors who are only giving an honest opinion, you lose credibility.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    1:17pm
    Brissiegirl - expressions like "the disastrous money hand-out and union corruption" do not demonstrate thinking on your part. They demonstrate the repeating of meaningless cliches from the right, and add nothing to informed, mature discussion..

    Again, go and find out some facts.
    Kaye Fallick
    5th Apr 2016
    1:25pm
    Hi Barak, it seems a little contradictory to make a personal remark about Brissie girl and then suggest KSS discuss the points you make, not you personally. Denigrating other members is not in the spirit of the site.
    MICK
    5th Apr 2016
    1:47pm
    Is that really you Kaye. Sounds more like something which Frank or one of his avatars might say?
    Forum Moderator
    5th Apr 2016
    2:43pm
    It is most definitely Kaye. Please take note.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    2:56pm
    mick, it seems very contradictory for you to make a claim about Kaye posting under different names. What would be the purpose??
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    3:11pm
    Kaye - when all someone posts is meaningless old cliches that could have been posted by an obsessed right-winger any time in the past 50 years, they are adding nothing to the conversation. They are not thinking about the matters at hand. They are just repeating party dogma. They are brainwashed.

    I won't apologise for saying that.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    7:08pm
    Barak, I would normally say, give yourself an uppercut mate. :) But tell me do you have a blackboard in your home? You know what to do.
    KSS
    5th Apr 2016
    12:56pm
    I just hope that as the election proper gets underway people like Barak are going to be able to restrain their propensity for insulting all those whose opinions differ from theirs.

    Last time I looked, we do NOT live in a country where any opposing views are shut down through a torrent of invective and name calling. Can't we agree to behave more like adults rather than playground bullies and treat other contributors with respect whether we agree with their viewpoint or not?
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    1:03pm
    Please discuss the points I make, rather than me.
    KSS
    5th Apr 2016
    1:10pm
    Oh dear! Its going to be a long long election period.....
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    1:11pm
    Nothing in that post either.
    MICK
    5th Apr 2016
    1:35pm
    Really KSS? So this government in both opposition and government have not run a blanket blame game against Labor. I have not seen the Abbott or Turnbull government own up to any misgivings or failures. It's always the same story.
    And as for some people voicing an opinion you failed to mention the Liberal Party troll Frank who published propaganda and lies. Not that you have done anything to contest these.
    Barak is correct when he states that the Murdoch Press have run bias and propaganda. The local paper where I live (Murdoch Press) always run pro Liberal Party 'stories' and publish pictures of Liberal Party candidates leading up to an election. You rarely ever get an aggressive attack as occurs with the slightest misdemeanour from Labor and the intent to smear is pretty well clear. No accident.
    As for Bolt and Jones....well don't get me started. Unlike the ABC which airs both sides these Liberal Party card carrying 'commentators' should not be permitted to broadcast.
    You have a real hide accusing Barak of trying to shut down opposing views. THAT IS WHAT YOUR SIDE OF POLITICS DOES WELL along with propaganda campaigns run by their vested interests, the mainstream media.
    KSS
    5th Apr 2016
    1:57pm
    I see mick you are also not prepared to behave like an adult. Given you do not know me, nor have I ever disclosed for whom I last voted, you really have no idea with which side of the political spectrum (if indeed any) I may or may not align or indeed which if any newspaper I may or may not read. So please, keep your personal attacks of me (or anyone else for that matter) to yourself.

    Express your opinion by all means just omit the rudeness and vitriol if/when you disagree.
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    3:56pm
    yes !! And now go to the corner of the room and put this Pointy Hat on your head :-) :-)
    MICK
    5th Apr 2016
    1:22pm
    What else would you expect? I saw Turnbull described as Tony Abbott with a smile. Policies are the same and the wealthy backers of the Liberal Party are still out to skin average Australians. So no surprise that we are hearing calls from the Business Council to drop corporate tax rates from 30% to 20%. Also no surprise that Turnbull continues to find ways of piing more and more taxes on average citizens. The latest, the states raising their own taxes, was the start of this after all the other scams were blocked.
    Whilst Bill is a dill I find it hard that anyone can support Turnbull as HE USES A TAX HAVEN IN THE CAYMAN ISLANDS and this is clear to avoid Australian tax. Anybody who watched Fouy Corners last night would have been absolutely horrified at the worldwide scale of the rich avoiding their nation's tax systems. A repeat is on again on Saturday and I urge all Australians to watch this. It i estimated (conservatively) that over 22 trillion dollars is lying in these shelf companies which have no business model other than to deceive their countries of origin and not pay tax. SO WHERE DOES MALCOLM TURNBULL AND HIS PARTY FIT IN HERE???? Horrifying!!!
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    1:30pm
    mick, wether you like it or not Australia will eventually lower the company tax rate. By keeping it higher than other countries we are just saying "do business here and we will penalise you!"
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    1:35pm
    Yes Mick, it's disgraceful that world leaders have not just let this happen - they've taken advantage of it for themselves. And the level of hypocrisy we are seeing is just astonishing. Cries of ''live within your means'' from the very thieves who have stolen our means of living!

    Just imagine what 22 trillion dollars would do for a world plagued by debt and struggling to deliver the services needed for a healthy society! And some here want to vote for a man who hides his massive wealth in the Caymans so he doesn't have to pay his share?????

    5th Apr 2016
    1:30pm
    Not surprised by the poll results at all. Turnbull has totally lost the plot. But then, one has to have some sympathy for him. He's clutching at straws, trying desperately to dodge the intense pressure on him to tax his rich mates and corporate supporters. There's only just so many way to bleed a stone, and having exhausted most of them, he and his LIEberal party mates are forced to now dream up thought bubbles that make it LOOK like they actually know what they are doing with the economy. And the big problem he faces is that communication is now so fast and effective and people are so much more informed than in past generations that five minutes after he has a thought, it's been circulated and shot to pieces, and the cries to ''tax the rich. Address tax evasion. Target multi-nationals'' have resumed.

    The poor guy realizes that the ''blame the Labor Party'' and ''blame the Senate'' excuses have worn way too thin. Now he's trying to ''blame the State Premiers'', but that won't wash with most of the population either. It was inevitable that eventually the majority would get around to ''blame the LNP and Malcolm''. And whether we like or trust Shorten really isn't the biggest issue, now (I don't, by the way!). The big issue is that we MUST get rid of the LNP. If we don't, we risk our society going to hell in a basket.
    Golfer
    5th Apr 2016
    9:03pm
    Rainey, Wow what a big call.
    To suggest that under the LNP we risk going to hell in a basket illustrates to me that you have forgotten the Whitlam years, the Keating years and the tragic years under Rudd, Gillard and Rudd. And now the terrible possibility of Shorten (whom you even state uncertainty as to Whether you trust him) becoming the next labor PM. His CV reads ex union thug, leader and political assassinator..... That's why he can't be trusted. The Labor Party record in government has not been good .... History has proven that.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    9:07pm
    No it hasn't.

    That post simply proves an obsessional hatred on your part. Not any rational thinking.

    I'm not suggesting you should switch your rusted on status, but to see no good at all in any Labor government, ever, is just ridiculous and irrational.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    9:31pm
    Golfer, some people are only concerned with how to have a $m in the bank and get a pension. They think the ALP will provide this. Whitlam, Keating, Hawke, they all took us to recession.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    9:34pm
    Most people have no hope of ever being in that situation, and still think the ALP is better for them and the country than the Coalition.
    Golfer
    5th Apr 2016
    9:48pm
    "Most people!" Barak...... Really?
    So he who has an opinion which is different to yours is a hater.
    I find the expression offensive and pathetic.
    Golfer
    5th Apr 2016
    9:54pm
    I haven't said I see no good at all in any labor government ever just the last 45 years. Not ridiculous and irrational but fact. You seem like a knowledgable person so you know what the facts are also.
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    7:09am
    Golfer - there is no logic in what you have written. Just irrational hatred.
    Golfer
    6th Apr 2016
    8:44am
    Barack, you're a goose
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    9:07am
    Depth of Lib Lover argument on full display there.
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    11:55am
    Golfer, I don't much like the Labor Party either, but somehow we have to send a message to those in power that if they keep bashing the worker and middle class to death to pandy to their filthy rich mates, they will be ousted.

    I supported the LNP for 40 years, but the LNP has discarded all its own favoured policies and taken up a new agenda. Even past leaders have denounced their current policies.

    They now clearly have no clue where to turn and are dreaming up stupid thought bubbles to try to distract us from their failure to devise an economically sustainable tax regime that compels the rich to pay their share and leaves incentives on the table for battling workers who struggle to save.

    Self-interest has nothing to do with my thinking, contrary to Frank's rude assumptions. It's about economic and social health. You can't achieve it by removing all rewards for hard work, saving and investing by the battlers. I will return my support for the LNP when they demonstrate they've woken up to that and are intent on making taxes and pensions fair, logical, and economically sustainable.
    Golfer
    6th Apr 2016
    10:58pm
    Rainey, I'm anxiously awaiting for the May budget announcements for I, like you, am disturbed by the LNPs targeting of the aged in recent go-arounds.
    My vote will be dependent on a significant change of direction and focus.
    If I change my vote it cannot be towards the union backed Labor Party. My distrust of unions goes back 40 years and the Heydon Royal Commission outcome confirmed my distrust.
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    7:47am
    Golfer, I was a Labor Party hater too, and I hate unions. I've been badly hurt by their evil dealings! But I DO support the Labor Party currently, only because I believe it's only way to convey a strong message to the LNP that their current policies aren't acceptable. And what I see in the Labor Party now is a strong leaning to what the LNP used to be in years gone by - when I supported it.

    Of course there's evil everywhere in politics, and stupidity and dishonesty in abundance. And massive mistakes. We can all dwell on trivia like failed school hall programs and failed insulation programs - which were, of course, disturbing. Or we can look at the overall policy focus. Sadly, the LNP's seems to be to bash the middle class and upper working class and grind them down, while allowing the rich to pillage and plunder unrestrained. And to add insult, we have the privileged insulting our battling retirees who worked for a lifetime to build the wealth these privileged enjoy, and being downright cruel to the sick and disabled. The LNP's attitude is displayed with their vile and disgusting '''lifters and leaners'' message.

    Enough is enough. The ongoing attacks on the ordinary citizen have to stop. A third of major corporations paid $0 tax last year. Superannuation tax concessions are making the rich filthy rich and giving the battling worker little or nothing. Yet the LNP resists doing anything significant in those areas. But it grinds over 300,000 hard workers who almost made it to self-sufficiency in retirement (and would have but for falling investment returns) into hardship. And it delivers a massive incentive for people to stop saving for retirement and put their hands out for pensions, so ultimately poverty will increase and pension costs will rise dramatically. And then watch them cut the pension. They've already tried it. Next time they will have created the excuse to succeed. They'll yell about how the total aged pension cost has risen above expectations (of course, because they FORCED it up with destructive policies) and that will give them the excuse they need to slash welfare benefits and create yet more poverty. Vicious cycle will go on and on - if we let it.

    We HAVE to get rid of them. Voting Labor is, unfortunately, probably the ONLY way to do that.
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    7:52am
    And Golfer's post shows the problem with Lib Lovers. They don't really like anything. Just hate things. And they believe Heydon's Royal Commission. LOL.

    Who WILL you vote for Golfer, if not the Libs?
    Chris B T
    5th Apr 2016
    1:39pm
    It doesn't matter either way we will lose out.
    Both are unaccepteable leaders, both parties have major faults.
    It now becomes the lesser of two evils.
    There is a need for a third major party, as this your turn my turn Really Sucks!
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    2:03pm
    yes and then we can have the Evils of three lesser's ! :-(
    I've woken up to the Fact that they ALL Dance to the Tune of a Higher Order now !! :-(
    Chris B T
    5th Apr 2016
    4:05pm
    The time frame between them can be a lot greater, than now.
    Than a forth option will appear to keep them on there toe's.
    Just maybe this Big Business to Unions may cease.
    Both have self interest as there Platform.
    Lescol
    5th Apr 2016
    2:26pm
    For the past two years I have been "stunned, shocked & appalled" by what has been happening in Oz. The current right wing conservatives are a disgrace and so many 'once in a decade' opportunities have been squandered. The treatment of seniors there has become a disgrace; Oz has very much lost direction in that regard.

    How will I vote this year? Formal and the current government shall be placed last. Only this way can we ever hope to replace the current right wing conservatives that have exceed their use by date. cheers.
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    7:55am
    I agree Lescol.

    5th Apr 2016
    3:02pm
    I reckon Turnbull's just throwing around a few policies to see what sticks nothing has at the moment.
    But what are Billy boys policies? ah that right gay marriage, open up the borders to bring in more refugee"s including the terroists that are he"s party has already brought in and lets not forget a brand new carbon tax just to increase unemployment and what about legalising rape as he has been accused of that.
    .
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    4:44pm
    So robbo, let's tackle just one of those. You say Bill Shorten want to legalise rape.

    Really?
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    4:47pm
    Yes Barak he has been accused of it by a women who was part of the Labour party some years ago( and he has not denied it)you need to keep up with the news
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    5:10pm
    robbo, the extensive investigation by Victorian Police found no evidence to proceed.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    5:13pm
    robbo - prove your claim, with an independent, reliable source.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    6:07pm
    As usual Frank you are correct however the women still reckons Shorten is guilty and as we know it was some time ago and may be hard to prove but she was at a Labour convention with other Labour people, who knows what went on.

    Also keep in mind the police force in Melbourne is extremely left wing you can literally get away with murder or anything else you want to do the cops won"t even chase you any more in case it effects your civil rights or some other left wing trash.

    So the verdict by them was always going to be in Shortens favour.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    6:29pm
    What on earth are you talking about. Are you saying that Shorten wants to legalise rape, or are you accusing him of committing a rape?

    These things are not the same, you know.

    If your muddled thinking on this is normal for you, it highlights one of the problems with democracy. Even idiots get the vote.
    Nomad
    5th Apr 2016
    3:41pm
    I hold both parties in contempt, they follow the party line and dont listen to the citizens of their electorates. Under both parties tax avoidance by the big end of town goes unchecked.
    As Don Chip said ''keep the bastards honest''. That wont happen until the senate is controlled by independants not political partys mouthpieces.
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    4:02pm
    I thought Democracy was where the People told the Government what they would like ! Yay or Nay ! But that must be the Old Version ? :-(
    Jolly
    5th Apr 2016
    3:49pm
    This is the plan from LNP in Sep 2013. Nothing new from Turnbull except backflips. If anybody is interested go and have a look at there website. NO NEW POLICIES OF ANY SORT. Labor on the other hand has some very good policies - I am pretty sure I will be voting Labor even though I said earlier I would not.
    The Plan
    1. Certainty and Stability
    The Coalition makes this pledge: we will not make any unexpected detrimental changes to
    superannuation.
    We will deliver greater stability and certainty on superannuation – we won’t move the
    goalposts.
    We will ensure that no more negative, unexpected changes occur in the superannuation
    system so that Australians planning for their retirement can do so with confidence.
    Under the Coalition, the superannuation guarantee will increase from nine to 12 per cent.
    But the gradual increase will be delayed by two years because this money comes largely
    from business and wages – not from government – and our economy needs
    encouragement as mining investment starts to wane and new sources of growth are
    needed. This will mean that people will have more take home pay to ease cost of living
    pressure
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    4:27pm
    In other words Jolly they have no policies and what yyou have posted is Labour spin to suck in fools
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    4:48pm
    Jolly you long for the Rudd/Gillard years when every second day a new policy was announced. The frightening part of that was some of them they followed through on. This erratic behaviour by our Labor government eventually had a negative effect on our economy. And before Barak and Rainey remind us that it was 007 Rudd who saved us from the GFC. If we were saved I wouldn't wish to think about how it would look if we weren't saved.
    ex PS
    6th Apr 2016
    12:40am
    The years that the LNP spent running its fear campaigns about the state of the countries finnances caused much more damage to the economy than anything the Labor government did. Their win at all costs attitude was self serving and selfish with no consideration to what was the best for the country.
    If you look at the countries that followed the course that the LNP wanted to pursue you will see a lot of countries still noware near where our economy is now. After all ,the LNP wanted to do exactly what the Labor party did but with less money committed.
    The other countrys that did this did not fare well.
    The Labor government was not good, but the LNP government is proving to be much worse.
    Adrianus
    6th Apr 2016
    8:01am
    Any fool can throw $billions into an economy and make it look good for a short time.
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    9:13am
    And the problem with that is?

    You see, governments DO fix economies by throwing money at them. That's their job.
    Adrianus
    6th Apr 2016
    9:43am
    No Barak, we need a government which sees Australia's economy as a long term sustainable vibrant one beyond 3 years. Labor showed they are not mature enough by the way they slammed the door on their way out with sabotage and childishness. They had the high spending installed into forward estimates but refused to increase the debt ceiling before going into caretaker mode even though their spending would go well beyond the then ceiling within a few months. Australians aren't stupid. Labor will be annihilated at this election.
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    9:47am
    Well, 50% of people are of below average intelligence, and most are very poorly informed.

    I am too smart to believe "It's always all Labor's fault." But you seem to believe that.
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2016
    10:49am
    I'm sick of hearing ''It's all Labor's fault'' and ''The Senate won't let us...''

    Bottom line... the Lying Party was elected on promises not to cut health, education and pensions. And they cut all of those. They promised to cut the debt and it's skyrocketing. They can't deliver, so they should be THROWN OUT. No amount of BS from Frank or his buddies changes the fact that the LNP said they could achieve certain goals and they failed. And it isn't the Labor Party's fault or the Senate's fault that they can't come up with policies that work and that are of suitable quality to be passed by the people whose job it is to protect the masses from ruling party extremes and errors.

    5th Apr 2016
    3:57pm
    A house divided against itself cannot stand. Labor fell apart because of getting rid of Rudd just because polls showed a downturn. The Coalition got rid of Abbott just because polls showed a downturn and it may be that history is repeating. Gillard had no idea what to do when she got the job and kept delaying decisions. Turnbull has no idea what to do now he has punted Abbott and keeps delaying decisions. I think there may be a pattern emerging here.

    A drop in the polls was expected because of Turnbull's actions last week. It seemed to be a Captain's Pick because very few ministers, including the Treasurer, knew what was about to unfold. In fairness, it was a dangerous gamble that, according to some in the media, has succeeded because it shut the Premiers up with their bleating about the Federal government starving them of funds for health and education. The irony is that federal funding rarely comes with a tag designating where it is to be spent so Premiers claiming that health and education is suffering is not the fault of the federal government but is a state budgeting problem.

    To get back to the polls, I would love to see the actual questions being put to people. It is possible to frame a question in such a way that the response the pollster wants can be elicited. I was polled once but when I gave my age I was told that I didn't fit the target group. Well folks, I'm on the electoral roll and I vote so I am in the group that gives an opinion in the only poll that matters.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    4:38pm
    The advantage in having Bill Shorten as PM is that he will never make a captain's pick. Bill has brought down two Prime Ministers, Malcolm only one. One of these two will add another scalp soon. Hopefully it will be one on the opposite team.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    4:59pm
    You're right Frank, Shorten is union bred which means that he will only think of himself and his close mates, the rest can go to buggery. Anything he does will be passed by his little cabal and carried out under secrecy to try and remove any reference back to him. I don't trust the man and I believe that the man who got the most votes (by2:1) from those who voted for a new leader should be there; Albanese. He is talented, careful and trustworthy.
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    5:07pm
    It's always amazing what clever psychiatrists some voters are, being able to predict exactly what someone they already hate will do when elected.

    Where did you your medical training Old Man?
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    5:31pm
    Absolutely Old Man, Albo is a much better option. Labor had a chance to rid themselves of the disastrous Rudd/Gillard fiasco.
    They treated their followers like idiots (many are lol) by claiming they were now democratised.
    Both Shorten and Albo knew who was going to be the new leader but they played out the charade, while the so called true believers were outnumbered by a small minority.lol. HA HA Sorry, I cant stop laughing about that HA HA!!!
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    5:35pm
    It's always amazing how some haters know exactly how secret processes in the party they hate have worked.

    The talents among you guys simply astound.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    5:43pm
    Look and learn Barak! Look and be AMAZED :) You would know some of this stuff if you paid more attention.

    5th Apr 2016
    5:04pm
    Again, one's choice of federal government candidates comes down to whom is the "least worst" - very sad circumstances when these people are pretending to govern a country we live in. There is absolutely NO political talent to choose from. We will always be in the $hit and it will only be the depth that varies. Pathetic!
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    7:52am
    You got that right, Fast Eddie.
    floss
    5th Apr 2016
    5:08pm
    As a pensioner and a almost fully self funded retiree I will vote Labour at the next election I just can,t afford to vote for this mob as they only cater to the big end of town.
    Lescol
    5th Apr 2016
    6:41pm
    I am a self funded retiree thanks to the current government.

    The only chance the current government has in the coming election is to cut the nonsense. Give all people of retirement age the full pension and tax all income. This gets rid of the bureaucracy associated with monitoring the current ineffective system and puts everyone on an even footing. cheers
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    8:00am
    Agree, Lescol. They have to stop punishing initiative and effort, otherwise the welfare bill will continue to skyrocket.

    It amazes me that full pensioners endorse slugging those who saved a bit. Can't these short-sighted green-eyes see that when people STOP saving for retirement, because it doesn't deliver benefit, the welfare bill will skyrocket and that will provide Government the excuse it needs to slash pensions. It's happened elsewhere. I often wonder is it stupidity that drives these damaging policy changes, or is it a deliberate ruse to CREATE the problem they need to give them the excuse to do what they want? They tried to cut the basic pension (by changing indexation). That failed. What better way to ensure they succeed next time than by creating a problem that makes it APPEAR that cuts are unavoidable?

    Wake up Australia. You're standing in it!
    Scrivener
    5th Apr 2016
    6:03pm
    When the Libs clean out the old hard of fossils - beginning with Scott Morrison the I'll consider them.
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    8:01am
    Yep. Morrison should be first to go!
    Scrivener
    5th Apr 2016
    6:14pm
    The Coalition will complete their charter to tick off every remaining item Of the IPA agenda in the next term. It has already done many of them already.

    Beware faux academic think-tanks. It is a beard for its contributors. These pollies are serving their own interests.

    https://thesnipertakesaim.wordpress.com/2013/03/02/ipa-agenda-to-re-shape-australia/

    IPA agenda to re-shape Australia

    By Barry Tucker 2 March, 2013

    The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) claims to be an independent think tank. It is funded by corporate and philanthropic donations and individual subscriptions. It is one of the bodies that came together in 1945 to form the Liberal Party of Australia and is rightly seen as an arm of the Liberal party.

    The IPA is disproportionately represented by panellists on the ABC’s tv shows The Drum and Q&A, although the ABC denies it. You may never have heard of the IPA. Here’s an episode of the ABC’s Media Watch, dated 09/04/2001, presented by Stuart Littlemore. It mentions what the IPA is, who some of its members are, its activities and where its main financing comes from.

    http://t.co/oXmnGBMjMR

    The political agenda of the IPA is no different than the agenda of the Liberal party. In a recent article on the IPA website, Be like Gough: 75 radical ideas to transform Australia, three IPA members wrote about what they see as Australia’s problems and listed 75 changes that should be implemented. See this page from the IPA website for the preamble to the 75-point list.

    The list has since been expanded to 100 items.
    Scrivener
    5th Apr 2016
    6:15pm
    Already, already!
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    7:12pm
    Scrivener

    Excellent comment.

    I consider every one of this current govt's one liner policies to be MegaCorp (mostly foreign) WISH LISTS (as played out by the IPA). NONE of which have been examined to assess their affects on the Australian economy and NOR whether there are any real benefits to Australia as a whole.

    Yes, we are becoming more and more like Corporate America.

    Big money pooled to override our DEMOCRACY and REDISTRIBUTE our WEALTH from OUR pockets into the big boy's, mainly foreign, pockets.

    Just look at the mess the USA is in ..... it is getting very close to civil rioting and conflict.... some people in the USA are living in THIRD WORLD conditions which is ridiculous given its wealth but that is what happens when the 5% who now own about 90% of the wealth, become that greedy, they TAKE and TAKE without giving anything back.

    These greedy parasites are looking for a new feeding ground and Australia is nice and FAT.

    5th Apr 2016
    7:02pm
    GROSS LIES, CORRUPTION and BLATANT MISMANAGEMENT of Australia's affairs.... and they are ONLY now losing voter confidence... shows how influential Murdoch and his foreign cronies CORPORATE MEDIA are.

    These undeniably INEPT MISFITS are so busy squabbling, fighting and squawking continually over the scraps of their OWN INTERESTS that I can't help but align them to SEAGULLS... their whole focus is on "me, me, gimme, gimme".

    Bloody hell, the previous Labor govt. got trashed by this same media even though during their reign (during the GFC mind you), internationally Australian was declared the absolute best ECONOMY in the world. Remember the carping this corporate media did about the Carbon Tax which was actually proclaimed internationally as a good method of reducing pollution in our country.... have you heard about the billions given to the POLLUTERS to reduce their pollution by the current government which HASN'T WORKED.... at ALL, no wonder they can't afford to fund PUBLIC hospitals and education.

    Are you thinking... what else has the Corporate Media NOT told us!

    Don't even talk to me about the ABSOLUTE RUBBISH NBN that is in absolute SHAMBLES and doesn't work ..... all for TRIPLE the cost of the previous govt's TOP of the RANGE brilliant NBN. Turnbull's next election promise will be to implement a CHEAP and NASTY fibre to your front gate... I guess YOU pay for it to be taken to your house? So, 3years later and billions down the drain, they will put in a super cheap fibre that won't last more than 5 years, better than the crap they are putting in at the moment but hardly worth the effort.

    Then we have the TPP.... all signed and waiting for the Libs to control the senate to put through parliament which is IRREVERSIBLE once passed. This DISGUSTING agreement gives (mainly USA megacorps) the ability to OVERRIDE ALL our LAWS and if we say NO... then Australia will have to pay them LOST PROFITS... OUR tax money goes into FOREIGN MEGACORPS POCKETS for doing nothing, instead of OUR HOSPITALS & SCHOOLS, etc!!! Yeah, GOOD ONE Liberal Party.... highly intelligent and in Australia's interests, NOT!

    FOR GOODNESS SAKE, WE have a chance to stop Murdoch's MARIONETTES, for goodness sake TAKE IT!!!


    DON'T CARE WHAT PARTY/PERSON YOU VOTE FOR, JUST MAKE SURE IT IS NOT THIS BLOODY LOT OF INANE seagull IDIOTS!!!

    Even if you are a Liberal Voter.... send a message to the party, that they need to re-group with intelligent and capable party representatives, instead of babbling fools that are more interested in the scraps, than running a country.
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    7:11pm
    LOL, Mussitate you make me laugh. I suppose we are in such a mess that only your sweet Labor can don the capes and with undies on the outside save us. Ge maybe we could get Rudd and Gillard out of retirement?
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    7:30pm
    Frank

    I don't do political parties... I do policies.... UNLIKE YOURSELF who are one of those that will vote for a pig on wheels if they belong to your political party.


    The previous govt... did a good job during the GFC, otherwise our economy would not have been internationally declared the BEST in the WORLD (yes, better than China, USA, Russia, EU & UK)....DUH!

    For THAT they deserve some credit...... End of Story.

    They had already started to provide the whole of Australia (everyone would have access) the BEST internet systems (NBN) that was FUTURE building as it would last over 50 years and would put Australia ahead of the rest of the world in INNOVATION and TECHNOLOGY, instead of 20years behind. The costed and audited price.... 1/3rd of the rubbish currently being laid.

    For THAT they deserve some credit....... End of Story.

    I can find absolutely NOTHING done by the current govt. which advanced Australia one bit.... their NBN is a joke, our Hospitals and Education can't be funded, they can't manage a budget, they invested FURTHER in a US military corporate PONZI SCHEME when we still haven't received our last order which was paid for 10 years ago, submarine builds are going to foreigners, they won't take a little more from the wealthy to fund Australians that have contributed to Australia all their lives or those of our own, that are disadvantaged in our society.

    Please, by all means Frank.... give me something to work on HERE... tell us about all the GOOD things this govt has done and if you can find some policy details... tell us how they are going to improve or simply retain Australia's economy as it is.
    particolor
    5th Apr 2016
    7:56pm
    He will answer when He finishes Bawling and recovering from Your Truthful onslaught of His Loved one !! :-) :-)
    Adrianus
    5th Apr 2016
    8:36pm
    he he he yes give me a chance to recover .
    Anonymous
    5th Apr 2016
    10:13pm
    particolor

    His Loved one is a 'pig on wheels'?!... be nice, now particolor.


    Frank

    Well come on Frank.... JUST ONE will do for now. It really isn't funny, BLINDLY following without even thinking, simply because ..... well WHY? Why would you do that Frank.

    COME ON..... tell us what GOOD this motley mob of misfits have done ... not just for themselves and the likes of Murdoch and his foreign parasites BUT for Australia, its economy and its future!
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    7:11am
    I second that request.
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    8:04am
    Mussitate, I agree with most of what you say, but the NBN wasn't a good idea to begin with. Admittedly, the LNP have made it a million times worse. But Labor's plan was outdated before it was devised. What we need to do is get Telstra out of controlling our network and bring in a company that understands IT and has a commitment to customers. While Telstra is involved, any communications system will be a disaster.
    Oars
    6th Apr 2016
    8:44am
    There is no surprise that this column pushes the Labor partiy's propoganda. This is so typical of "died in the head" followers who conveniently forget the rorts of the last group of labor cons. I will NEVER forget the Schools Halls roirt" $47 Billion with $20 Billion only accounted for. The thugs prevented any detailed scrutiny- as they always do. Bah. Another Labor party government would shift Australia further into debt- and have a quasi-communism politics.
    Adrianus
    6th Apr 2016
    9:04am
    Oars, I know business owners who had government contracts for building and repair work on schools. When Labor squirted out the money like icing on a cake, they expanded by buying a big warehouse and a big boat to put in it.
    Let's wait another two terms before we give Labor another go.
    If we put Labor in now we will have a government with no border control, Thousands of Children in Detention, More Deaths at sea, More waste and much higher taxes.
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    9:09am
    So Labor is bad because business owners abused the system.

    Nope. You're obviously putting blame in the wrong place.
    Adrianus
    6th Apr 2016
    9:29am
    There was no system Barak. Particularly with private schools. It was money falling from the sky. Labor was busy writing cheques and there were no checks on how it was spent, I know of one school which received $12m and they could spend it anyway they wanted. There was no accountability. Did I mention much higher debt?


    Labor = High Spending, High Taxing.
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    9:40am
    Frank - prove your claim about that $12m.

    BTW - your argument still seems to be that it's Labor's fault that scurrilous people ripped off the system.
    Adrianus
    6th Apr 2016
    9:57am
    Barak, if I gave you $35k to buy a Tesla car and that was the agreement we had, then I would want you to contact me when you purchased the car so that I could inspect it along with proof of ownership and log book etc. I would not want to find out that you had spent that money on lollies.
    Labor just doesn't get it!
    Barak explain this to me.
    After Labor throwing all that money at schools our students' schooling level fell behind that of the rest of the world. Why?
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    1:59pm
    Parents.
    Oars
    6th Apr 2016
    6:39pm
    Looks like the truth hurts some of the "blinded". The problem with folks who wear blindfolds is that they only see dark places. If the blindfold is removed they can't believe the truth even though they are staring at it. Hope my imagery is not too hard to follow. It's that time of the night. I am used to working in the dark-have done for years. But I am not blind, nor blinded by conmen of any ilke, and I have VERY GOOD MEMORY- no Alan Zeimer here lads !
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    1:21am
    Oars
    You kidding.....yes, I read the comment immediately above this comment and thought you absolutely MUST be speaking about the Liberal Party BUT then read your comment above.

    How can someone be so very hypocritical, steeped in your dogma AND blind.

    Okay..... I will let you tell me ALL the good things that your wonderful Liberal Party has done for Australia (not just for Murdoch and his parasitical cronies or the wealthy end of town) ... one-liners will do, no need to even elaborate.

    Then maybe, you could explain WHY your Liberal Party has doubled the govt DEBT when they PROMISED to put us back in SURPLUS.

    Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.... say no more, aye, Oars!
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    7:51am
    OMG, Frank! You think the Labor Party throws money away? The LNP gives it to their filthy rich buddies. And they steal it from battling workers and savers to acquire it to gift.

    Goodness, there are none so blind as those who will not see and none so deaf as those who will not hear.

    There's corruption everywhere, but union corruption pales into insignificance next to the LNP's filthy games and business corruption. $22 trillion in tax havens. Where do people get the money to hide in those places? I suppose you think Malcolm Turnbull earned ever cent honestly and paid full tax owing on all of it? (Yeah, right. That's why it's in the Caymans!)
    Adrianus
    7th Apr 2016
    8:23am
    Rainey, what has the $22t got to do with the LNP? I don't see the connection? You may need to read other news as well as the ABC.
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    8:28am
    Which other truthful news service do you recommend Frank?
    Adrianus
    7th Apr 2016
    10:15am
    I was referring to an opinion piece by Peter Lewis on the Drum, "Panama Papers couldn't come at a worse time for the Coalition." No case was made or plausible connection in that opinion piece either.
    It may very well have read.... "THE PANAMA PAPERS COULDN'T COME AT A WORSE TIME FOR LABOR AND THE UNIONS."

    Barak I don't recommend any of them. I do however recommend that you draw your own conclusions based on a variety of sources. While taking into consideration the motives of those sources.
    Make your own mind up.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSqDExOvUdM&nohtml5=False
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    10:27am
    Now there's an interesting idea. Motives.

    Obviously the commercial networks want to sell advertising, so they aim for the lowest common denominator, dumbest audiences.

    The ABC doesn't have that need, so what is their motive?
    Adrianus
    7th Apr 2016
    6:45pm
    Barak its about time that you understood some realities. Almost everyone has a price. Yes even lefties. You don't need to look too hard to find it.
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    7:27pm
    That's a bit cryptic Frank. Care to elaborate?
    Happy Jack
    6th Apr 2016
    10:04am
    YOU ARE GETTING FRANTIC, FRANK!
    Supernan
    6th Apr 2016
    10:19am
    So many people make wild claims on these comments & refuse to give reliable sources ! I would like to see more people employed by the Gov. The services have been cut to the bone. People in work pay taxes ! Not in work they need taxpayers money.

    People in the Public Sevice are just that - serving the public. Its us who suffer from cuts to Centrelink Staff, Medicare staff, Hospital staff, ABC & CSIRO, etc - so if Labor wants to put back in enough people to do make it Service work, I'm all for it.

    Labor loses elections mainly because of the Media. Being owned by the Rich it supports the LNP. So it just throws mud until enough sticks & damages Labor.

    Malcolm cant make his mind up because he doesnt believe what his party are selling ! He knows Climate change is happening, he believes the poor are suffering, he knows the rich get all the perks. But if he says what he believes he'll be out on his ear & he does love the power !
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    8:09am
    You are so right, Supernan. Poor Malcolm used to be of the other persuasion. Now, he is hamstrung by his own party. The LNP has lost it's focus. It has abandoned all its beliefs and policies and become a party for the super-rich. Its now the IPA in a thin disguise.

    There's a lot to dislike about Labor, and ultimately I think our only hope is to abolish the whole damn lot. But voting for the LNP is voting for the IPA, and voting for Malcolm is voting for a figurehead with no policies and no power and no hope of ever having any.
    Queensland Diva
    6th Apr 2016
    10:56am
    Turnbull, as I have seen him described, is simply abbott with a happy face. He ditched his own position on such things as climate change and the NBN, for the chance to live in the Lodge. The honeymoon is well and truly over, we are seeing this government for the inept, bully-boy, catholic school boys that they are. I hope the Australian people continue to wake up to what is happening.
    Anonymous
    6th Apr 2016
    10:42pm
    Nicely put Queensland Diva!

    6th Apr 2016
    10:41pm
    OKAY.... this should be REALLY, really EASY.....

    GIVE US a ONE-LINER list of ALL the ACCOMPLISHMENTS that the LIBERAL PARTY has achieved since being in power.


    COME ON! ALL YOU LIBERAL PARTY PEOPLE are very vocal about what OTHERS do WRONG...

    LET'S HEAR ALL THE GOOD THINGS your PARTY HAS DONE whilst in power... ANYTHING AT ALL!!!!
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    8:10am
    Cheated half the nation out of a well-earned retirement so the rich can keep their superannuation tax concessions and the global multi-nationals can keep avoiding tax.

    Whoops, sorry, that's more than one line!
    Geo
    7th Apr 2016
    2:37pm
    Twelve months ago, choice of political party with Abbott and Shorten as leaders frightened me , as I could NOT vote for either. Then along came the Knight in shinning armour, SIR MALCOLM, here we go !! someone that understands. ?? Fast forward twelve months. What have we got? Same Old -- Same Old or probably worse as time moves on. SIR!! wants states to collect their own tax. FOR (1) Education. (2) Health. (3) infrastructure and other. The federal Gov has collected these taxes for seventy three years and will keep this money, requiring the states to find new taxes (A double tax). Taxes collected by the Fed Gov which normally goes to Education and Health etc, will be used to reduce Company Tax, this will allow some Companies to send more Billions to Panama (MOSSACK X FONCECA). Or perhaps they will retain the money in Australia, to finance new business and create employment for some of the thousands of refugees, paying them $8 an hour. DO ya want me to keep rattling on!??! . because many items being debated concern ordinary, hardworking AUSTRALIANS including us pensioners. We need to Listen Learn and speak-up own
    Anonymous
    7th Apr 2016
    2:43pm
    If you prefer Labor's policies, just be thankful we don't live in a presidential system, so you can vote Labor without worrying about who the leader is.
    KB
    8th Apr 2016
    4:56pm
    The real poll will be on election day. Polls will vary from week to week .The liberals are destroying ordinary families and Labour really has nothing better to offer.
    KB
    8th Apr 2016
    4:56pm
    The real poll will be on election day. Polls will vary from week to week .The liberals are destroying ordinary families and Labour really has nothing better to offer.
    Anonymous
    8th Apr 2016
    6:30pm
    KB

    Unfortunately, that is what the Liberal machinery want everyone to believe..... when Labor were in and did a rather brilliant job DURING the GFC whereby the rest of the world was falling apart, the Liberals and the corporate (foreign) media ran them down non-stop MOSTLY based upon EXTREME biased views or downright lies (corporate media sit on their own disciplinary boards - so can misdirect and lie all they like - we do NOT have a free press, unless you call undermining our democratic system as 'free'... yeah free to present their own big end of the town corporate wish lists as good policies for OUR country).

    NOW, that THEY are in and their management of Australian affairs are that bad it is embarrassing..... we have the RHETORIC that ALL politicians and political parties ARE ALL THE SAME.

    NO, they are not..... if Labor had performed this dismally, they would have been forced to go to the polls after two years!!!

    Labor were able to balance their budget, give us solid costed and audited policies (not uncounted and unaudited corporate wishlists); were able to fund our SCHOOLS & HOSPITALS; were able to fund our own who are disadvantaged or have contributed all their lives to Australia; were able to plan and implement an NBN system that was proclaimed internationally as a world wonder (for one third of the cost of the ABSOLUTE rubbish that is now being put in by the LIBS); made our economy the best in the world (international directive); gave us (for the first time ever) a triple AAA credit rating which is currently wavering under Liberal party management; had the Aust$$ included in the world currency mix (fore the first time ever); gave us a internationally proclaimed pollution regime which taxed the big boys and made them clean up their mess... instead of handing OUR money to the big boys to clean up their pollution which simply doesn't happen WHY would you clean up your mess if you keep getting money for NOTHING!!!
    etc, etc.

    THERE IS DEFINITELY A BIG DIFFERENCE.

    Simply put, the LIBERALS on this site can't even come up with ONE good thing their Party have done BUT it is very easy to name the GOOD things the LABOR party have done.

    This from someone that is NOT aligned with the Labor Party BUT recognised the brilliant work they did when Australia NEEDED them the most!!!

    GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE and PUNISH THOSE THAT FEED FROM THE TROUGH WITHOUT PUTTING ONE THING BACK INTO AUSTRALIA.
    In Outer Orbit
    11th Apr 2016
    3:54am
    Use of offshore tax havens is legal. Using them is obviously misguided and unethical for any so-called political 'leader' wanting to pretend his or her integrity is fully intact. But it is legal, and I expect quite a number of Super Funds will be taking advantage as we speak, so there's little moral high ground to be found.

    The problem is international, not Australian. Prime MInister Cameron in the UK has been impaled this week over his dead father's legal use of offshore tax avoidance. It's Punch and Judy politics. All very entertaining, supposedly, but nothing is achieved.

    So Turnbull cannot fix this alone, nor his party, nor the opposition.

    What to do?

    I suggest to vote for anybody who can lift their head above the fray and who will take a global approach to the real concerns of the day - uber-rich tax havens, global warming, religious extremism, complex international conflict and migration, ageing global populations needing medical and social care. global instability linked to mismanagement of the emerging economies (ie the BRIC group), declining health in the developed world.

    No Australian politician or party can fix any of these global issues by playing to the gallery at home, and unless they are addressed at a global level, Australia will remain a victim of the consequences. Just watch what would happen to Americans if Trump the Chump gets power. The masses would be delirious, for about a day.

    If all we do is swop Punch for Judy, we know exactly what happens next. Australia needs to find an Obama, and resist invasion by Corporate America at all costs. Any independents out there that would fit the bill?

    Feels like a time to prepare for the worst. Plant a few veggies anyway.

    Hope for the best as well if you want to. We're told we'll live longer by thinking positive - woe betide any of you who stops believing that there really is a Big Brother out there who will look after us all in the end.
    John
    11th Apr 2016
    12:47pm
    Let's talk about something positive how much for the MPs get you I'm super the gate and 12 to 10 flight business class for the rest of your life's good one if you want to save money which put out the flights let's get back to Rayleigh wi let's talk about something positive how much for the MPs get you I'm super the gate and 12 to the 10 flight business class for the rest of your life's good on if you want to save money which put out the flights let's get back to Rayleigh You keep going on what the benches get that see if you can tell everybody you're what you get you for doing sweet fuck all
    Anonymous
    11th Apr 2016
    1:04pm
    Wow.


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