Labor gives the Coalition a lesson in politics

Labor outmanoeuvres the Coalition to force a debate on a royal commission into banking.

The Government lost three consecutive votes in the Lower House yesterday, as Labor outmanoeuvred the Coalition to ensure a debate on a royal commission into banking.

Labor outmanoeuvred the Coalition by voting against the usual 4.30pm adjournment of Parliament yesterday, resulting in the Coalition’s usual majority being undermined by three of its ministers being unavailable.

Labor then pressed to pass a motion for the Government to hold a banking royal commission. It won the first three votes while a number of MPs were absent, which effectively brought forward the royal commission motion.

It is the first time in decades that a majority Government has lost a vote in the House, further highlighting the Coalition’s struggles to manage Parliament.

Former prime minister Tony Abbott said Labor’s tactics should provide a learning curve for many MPs, including Malcolm Turnbull.

"All of us are learning lessons all the time, whether you're a journalist, a Member of Parliament, a whip or even a prime minister," said Tony Abbott.

While Liberal MPs claimed that the manoeuvre was a political stunt, Labor’s Michael Danby said it was a "legitimate political tactic", with fellow Labor MP Wayne Swan saying that the Coalition being caught out proved the Government was in a "shambles".

Coalition MP Ken Wyatt said the move was a reminder for MPs "not [to] leave until the House is adjourned".

Liberal MP Russell Broadbent believes the events that transpired on Thursday night would not be forgotten quickly.

"There'll be a few people that will rue this day and remember this day for the rest of their political careers," Mr Broadbent said.

Treasurer Scott Morrison was unimpressed by Labor’s tactics.

"What we're seeing here this afternoon Mr Speaker is a stunt, a stunt from an Opposition to promote their stunt which is the royal commission," said Mr Morrison.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten told the House of Reps that, all accusations aside, Labor would not back down from its calls for a probe into financial sector wrongdoing.

"We will never give up on this royal commission," Mr Shorten said. "We may succeed tonight or we may not, but I give the Government fair notice on behalf of people who want justice."

Mr Turnbull criticised Labor for its tactic, saying that the only people who would benefit from a royal commission would be lawyers, declaring that “populism” will not help the victims of banking industry scandals. He believes the Government is already taking practical action to sort out the nation’s financial services fiasco.

“What we have in place are ombudsman services. We have legal services. We have ASIC,” the Prime Minister said. “The only beneficiaries from a royal commission would be, frankly, the legal profession.”

What do you think of Labor’s moves? Does this prove that the Government is in a mess? Why do you think the Coalition is adamantly against a royal commission into the financial sector? Do you want to see such a royal commission? Does this move prove that Labor is winning the ‘politics’ game at the moment?

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    2nd Sep 2016
    10:14am
    The stunt these lazy, parasitic politicians pulled yesterday by leaving early just shows how little they care for their seats in government and about doing the "jobs" they are getting overly paid to perform. They do not give a damn for the people of this country and are only interested in themselves and doing as LITTLE as possible while they have their position. Just lazy, uninterested, no-hope lowlives - the great majority of them. God help us!
    Rob
    2nd Sep 2016
    10:19am
    I agree totally. I am just so over politicians and their antics. Unfortunately the trouble is an alternative process is not obvious to me.
    Dolly
    2nd Sep 2016
    10:19am
    Totally Agree with Fast Eddie.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:04am
    Ditto with the above.
    Sen.Cit.90
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:28am
    Again I've made the effort to watch and listen to the question time in the Lower House. As I was in the last parliament sittings; I'm totally dismayed at the Rabble. How can anyone in the house hear the answers to questions? Why on earth are these so called politicians paid? They are nothing but a waste of space.
    A small independent 'Think Tank' could run this country equally if not better than the buffoons I see on 'Question Times in Parliament.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:34am
    The speaker is to blame here they should not allowed this to happen. New speaker needed ASAP.
    Pablo
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:42am
    For a while there I thought you were (rightly) happy to see the political schoolyard practices by the looney left! Over-fed and over-paid school kids! A real embarrassment to the Australians who voted for shorten and his mates!
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:15pm
    Old Geezer - the Speaker followed the Westminster tradition, one of the fundamentals of our parliament.

    I imagine you want Bronwyn back. She didn't care about such things.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:16pm
    Disgusting behaviour from the speaker knowing that he was participating in a school yard brawl not a house of parliament.
    HarrysOpinion
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:26pm
    I agree Fast Eddie - 5-year olds could run this country better than this sick mob.
    Rae
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:56pm
    I thought the beginning of the Senate sitting on Wednesday appalling too.

    The first business was all about them.

    Dealing with bribes from Chinese business and a whinge from the Greens that they had to sit during South Australia's school holidays.

    Honestly. They get paid enough to employ childminding and to avoid taking money from internationals.

    No wonder so many of our assets are now in Chinese ownership.

    An investigation into Julia Bishop and Andrew Robb would be in order.
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:07pm
    Old Geezer, the Speaker is a Liberal.

    He followed the rules.

    You're too used to Bronwyn.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    5:10pm
    Geezer finds it difficult to understand that a speaker acting for the coalition is not fair and right. That's the trouble with Bronny. She was so biased that the rusted ons are unable to understand why it is not so now.
    GeorgeM
    2nd Sep 2016
    9:14pm
    Agree, Fast Eddie, these irresponsible and incompetent pollies who can't even do their day's work before leaving need to be fixed. We don't need these self-serving trash to represent us.

    How about a Royal Commission to stop all special perks (including pensions) for politicians, and also stop their political parties from receiving any political donations (bribes) from companies both here and from overseas? Let them work their butts off for a change and get their donations from openly declared individual donations only. Of course, I don't see much chance of politicians supporting this!!! Maybe people power is needed.
    Gra
    3rd Sep 2016
    10:10am
    I couldn't have said it better Fast Eddie. These people are overpaid as it is yet they still try to shirk their obligations.

    @ Pablo - you think it is only members of the Labor party that carry on? Open your eyes (and your mind) and have a look at the way members of both sides of the chamber carry on. You might even be surprised it is those who sit on the right of the Speaker who are the most childish.

    The look on Turnbull's face when he got rolled was that of a petulant child who's mum had told him he couldn't have a new toy.
    pault
    2nd Sep 2016
    10:31am
    How can we expect them to run the country when they can't even organise themselves. If I worked at Maccas and left before my shift finished I would not have my job for long. The people on 200k plus should be more responsible. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR US!!
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    10:33am
    They are only there for the top end of town.
    particolor
    2nd Sep 2016
    5:59pm
    And a Bonny job they're doing too ! :-) :-)
    cdbstock
    2nd Sep 2016
    10:49am
    Yes - the gov't is in a mess.
    But we do need a royal commission into the banks to recommend charges & changes to stop the banking sector rorts, conflicts of interest, excessive fees & other illegal/unethical behaviour. The problem is that the coalition receives major funding from the banking sector & of course will avoid compromising that funding.
    The gov't argues that such a commission is not required because there are several agencies that ensure such behaviour is checked - but these agencies have not acted successfully to ensure the misbehaviour is stopped
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:06am
    Agreed. The current government is financed by the banks who make political donations to the Liberal Party. That is why a RC is being opposed, but you can't hold back the waters forever when the predatory behaviour of banks rolls on as it does.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:35am
    A Royal Commission into banks ill only make lawyers rich and achieve nothing. The government doesn't even have to act of their advice.
    Pablo
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:46am
    A RC into the banks would be a total waste of time. If we don't know what the problems are with the banks then heaven help us and the country! And we can certainly do without the school yard tactics by the labor mob! They are just a rabble of little schoolboys with their puerile carryon!
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:05pm
    If you think banks are bad what about Bunnings reportedly selling people homes who have accounts in default with them.
    HarrysOpinion
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:28pm
    Agreed.
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:08pm
    Just a bit of balance which I invariably find is needed when Mick spouts his Labor, one-sided comments. The big four banks also made donations to Labor at the last election; ANZ $80,000, CBA $46,925, NAB $35,600 and Westpac $34,700.
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:16pm
    Insurance
    Paulodapotter
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:18pm
    Just like we shouldn't have a Royal Commission into child abuse. Let them abuse children I say. Yay for paedophiles and bank CEO's!
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    5:13pm
    So that people do not believe the lies you are promulgating under your own name and possibly others I DO NOT SUPPORT LABOR OF LIBERAL. The fact that I look for honesty and fairness rather than accommodated corruption hopefully makes a statement about me. You have nowhere to hide mate and Paulodapotter said it all.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    8:21pm
    Pauladapotter, Wot?
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    10:56am
    Is that true about the Banks making donations to the ALP at the last election? I can't believe it, can I have some proof please?
    ex PS
    3rd Sep 2016
    4:40pm
    fred, it is not unusual for industries to donate equally to more than one party, oil, tobacco, gambling and many others hedge their bets in this way.
    Anonymous
    3rd Sep 2016
    5:30pm
    Here's a link to the full list of donors fred.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-01/political-donations-parties-data-search/7129064
    MICK
    3rd Sep 2016
    9:26pm
    Is this the official list or the real one? You know NSW state Liberal ran 2 sets of books and brought in developer donations under the radar. Tell me that federal Liberal, with no ICAC, is not running the same fraud when it knows it cannot be investigated.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:03am
    Quite a legitimate move. Tell me what Tony Abbott or Scott Morrison would have done had the tables been reversed?
    The issue is that MPs sit for precious few days during the year anyway so heading off early produced a deserved response. Morrison, who appears to have had a double injection of the Labor hate serum when he joined the coalition, has nothing to complain about other than his own side rorting the system by taking an early mark.
    Let the chips fall where they do.
    Happy cyclist
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:49am
    Mick, you make a very valid point. When the Gillard government didn't have a vote to spare, all members of her government were forbidden from leaving the House during the dinner break (which is about 1.5 hours long). Why did she do this? Because the Liberals were just waiting for such a chance as they provided to Labor yesterday. Shorten actually pulled it off when the Libs were never able to.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:39pm
    Yeah. Unfortunately some only look in one direction and ignore the shortcoming of there own political flavour.
    Charlie
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:04am
    There is always room for a royal commission into banking practices, given that the ordinary person knows so little about it. Who has time to read and understand their little booklet when they decide to change something.
    So is this a sign that labor is coming back into power? I hope not, they are not ready, they will only beat the opposition to death with feather dusters, but they wont be able to govern.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:37am
    All a Royal Commission into banking will do is make it harder for an ordinary person to get a loan and makes bank deposits pay even less in interest. The shareholders will get preference over the banks customers.
    HarrysOpinion
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:30pm
    RC can recommend criminal charges.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:42pm
    Why is it that you are running the company line Geezer?
    The HONEST truth is that banks need to be pulled into line with LEGISLATION, not talk.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:50pm
    Because a Royal Commission simply will not help any one except the lawyer to some handy cash.
    Rational
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:38pm
    Old Geezer - several points:
    (i) Royal Commissions have powers to compel witnesses to give evidence and are not constrained by the "self incrimination" laws that limit the courts and other agencies.
    (ii) Royal Commissions have the power to recommend criminal actions.
    (iii) Royal Commissions can put pressure on Governments to act via their recommendations.
    (iv) If Royal Commissions are useless then why did Tony Abbott establish a Royal Commission into Unions when their corruption, whilst deplorable, costs the country far less than that of the wider financial sector and Banks - was it just a political move? Why has Malcolm Turnbull called a Royal Commission into the child abuses in the NT gaols?
    (v) If the Royal Commission stops banks giving loans to those who cannot afford them then surely this must be a good thing - don't forget, a major contributor to the GFC was sub-prime mortgages in the US where banks and others were giving loans to people who could not afford to repay them.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:54pm
    So you allege saving money is an issue but then your Party splashed cash on Royal Commissions like a kid in a candy store and is prepared to run a $160 million plebiscite which could have been tagged to the election just passed and cost nix. Worst of all it is highly likely your Party may ignore a 'yes' vote anyway....just like the homosexual community will ignore a 'no' vote.
    So who are you batting for?
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    4:51pm
    Let's face it many people with jobs are only one pay packet away from bankruptcy. So giving anyone a loan with a job can be seen as irresponsible landing in my opinion.

    I agree the Libs do not want to bring in homosexual marriage. So why spend this sort of money on a small minority of people on such a small issue anyway. What the government needs to do is focus on the big issues that effect the majority of the people. Note I just see marriage as a useless bit of paper that costs little to get into and mega bucks to get out of. If I was young today I would never bother about getting married at all.
    Rational
    2nd Sep 2016
    6:22pm
    Old Geezer - your last post on this topic presenting your views on homosexual marriage, and indeed marriage in general, which said "I just see marriage as a useless bit of paper that costs little to get into and mega bucks to get out of. If I was young today I would never bother about getting married at all" when subjected to analysis suggests it's an emotional response based on an unfortunate experience rather than a reasoned analysis based on a wider data set across the whole community. So, my later post regarding the lack of rational thinking underpinning your commentary seems to have been validated by your own words.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:14pm
    You have certainly got that one wrong as I have not had an unfortunate personal experience regarding marriage at all. I even have a friend who is homosexual and they don't know what all the fuss is about either. So there is certainly no irrational thinking on my behalf at all.
    Theo1943
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:09am
    Libs got caught with their pants down. Pyne is the responsible minister, sack him.
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:03pm
    And make him pull his pants back up.
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:12pm
    No Theo1943, Pyne is responsible for the business in the House of Representatives, The Whips are responsible for getting members to attend and occupy the correct seats.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    5:14pm
    Ex Liberal hacks would know that.
    KSS
    2nd Sep 2016
    8:11pm
    And self indulgent 'know-alls' wouldn't!
    ex PS
    3rd Sep 2016
    4:25pm
    I can't stand Pyne myself, but OM is correct, he is not the whip and is not responsible for organizing members for votes.
    And I have never come close to being a Liberal hack in my life.
    Grateful
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:29am
    Just note what Abbott said compared to Turnbull's team's comments who called it a "school yard stunt"!!!!!!!

    Former prime minister Tony Abbott said Labor’s tactics should provide a learning curve for many MPs, including Malcolm Turnbull. (Aimed Especially at Turnbull whom Abbott considers too inexperienced at being a leader and should not be in the job!!) He's looking right by the day isn't he??
    Note how he did NOT criticize what was done!!!! And who was missing you might ask, Abbott's leading man!!!!!
    Turnbull is NOT a leader, a great talker, but, this "government" has two heads and is shockingly divided.
    Turnbull's days are definitely numbered and Abbott and his team are delighting in the farce that Turnbull himself has created by his too clever by half double dissolution and his basic ineptitude and arrogance!!!!
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:15pm
    Factual. I pretty well agree with all of that Grateful.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:32pm
    I agree with all of that Grateful, so so true.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:32am
    This is a disgusting way to carry on and Labor should be ashamed of themselves. After all they are supposed to responsible adults with very responsible positions. This should never been allowed to happen by the speaker regardless of where they came from. I'm am disgusted with Labor over this.
    Happy cyclist
    2nd Sep 2016
    11:55am
    Old Geezer, you are missing the whole point. Parliament is all about the numbers. It shows that Shorten is pretty sharp and, on this occasion, he won a decisive victory. The Libs were always trying to do the same to the Gillard government. Its all about numbers and it is NOT the Speaker's job to control the numbers. He controls the debate. Sorry to disappoint you but like 'em or hate 'em, yesterday Labor had a legitimate victory.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:04pm
    Even so Shorten acted like a spoilt child here not a respectable opposition leader. I certainly won't be voting Labor if that's the way they carry on.
    Pablo
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:20pm
    Old Geezer, I totally agree with you. Shorten and his leftie mates should be ashamed of their slimy schoolyard tactics, and the people who elected that lot need to rethink what they have done. Shorten is just a smirking schoolboy, more intent on scoring "points" than participating in the repair of the budget that his lot stuffed up in the first place.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:22pm
    Geezer: why are all of your posts straight from Liberal Party HQ rather than factual debate? Complete with new posters who now replace the old ones? So obvious.
    Ayin
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:21pm
    Old Geezer it was the libs that were not doing their job which we pay them most highly. So why are you picking on Labor who it seems were all doing their job?
    Rational
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:00pm
    Old Geezer, Surely this "Comments" column is to engender rational debate. That means analysing the facts in the context of the situation at hand, looking at the options and tradeoffs then providing an unbiased summary of those deliberations. Your commentary shows no evidence of any analysis, it simply reveals a biased political view that prevents you from providing any intellectual input, which is a pity. In this case Labor's election campaign included a promise of a Royal Commission into the Financial Sector [Banks] even though they did not win Government they still have an obligation to their supporters to push this [and other] agendas within the rules of the parliament - that is what they did. I am sure if the situation was Reversed the Coalition would do the same and, if they did, good on them.
    Happy cyclist
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:10pm
    I agree with Ayin and Rational. Old Geezer does not resort to rational analysis. Regardless of who you support, in this case everyone must concede that the Libs got it badly wrong and Shorten took advantage of the situation with a rather clever response. Even the Libs have addmitted as much: "Leader of the House Christopher Pyne has conceded it was a “stuff up” that he said would never happen again as Mr Turnbull hit out at those MPs, including cabinet ministers Peter Dutton and Christian Porter and Justice Minister Michael Keenan, who did the “wrong thing”.
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:14pm
    Yes, the Old Geezer is actually disagreeing with his beloved Malcolm and Christopher.
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:17pm
    Ah Rational would it were so! This column is filled with one-sided comments, personal insults and a whole list of unsubstantiated statements. It is also an opinion column so anyone can put their point of view. I could, for example, suggest that the Coalition was voted in NOT promising a Royal Commission so they have an obligation to their supporters.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    5:18pm
    Look at your posts to imply that Old Man.
    The genuine posts from non affiliated people are pretty well great debate even if we do disagree on some issues. If you are unhappy about coping a serve then stop posting malicious attacks under your other names and ENGAGE IN FACTUAL DEBATE. The reality is that you cannot do the latter because your posts are Liberal Party propaganda meant to support the party. There is a difference.
    As for "unsubstantiated statements" that is what we hear from you fairly often as you sling your unsubstantiated mud at Labor.
    Gra
    3rd Sep 2016
    10:54am
    Old Geezer if you want to be disgusted with someone, be disgusted with the Liberal party MP's who were shirking their duty. If they had stayed in the house as they should have, this opportunity wouldn't have arose. If you want to see what a spoiled child looks like, just find a photo of Turnbull after he got rolled. There old chum is one very petulant brat.
    What happened there was something that the coalition had tried before when Labor held power but weren't able to pull off.
    ex PS
    3rd Sep 2016
    4:34pm
    OG, the LNP wrote the rule book, compliments of Tony Abbott, did you complain so mightily when the LNP was in opposition and pulled the same stunts?
    The only difference between the ALP and the LNP is that the ALP was able to pull it off.
    Don't forget who said "We are the opposition, it is the oppositions job to oppose the government". This was the precursor of six years of opposing for the sake of opposing by the LNP, if you are not prepared to take the hits when it is your turn, don't hand it out the in the first place.
    It really beggars the question, if the ALP is so hopeless and they put it all over the LNP so early into their reign, how hopeless must the LNP be?

    2nd Sep 2016
    12:16pm
    With Abbott's majority, the Libs could go home early. Now they have to stay till home time.

    I wonder if they'll learn?
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:20pm
    It's not the Libs acting irresponsibly it's Shorten. I'm so glad he will never be PM.
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:02pm
    So going home early is OK?
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:29pm
    Libs are never guilty of doing anything wrong in your posts Geezer. That is how political trolls operate Frank.
    The reality is that Turnbull has again been caught with his pants down. Bad leadership not bad luck. Just like on election night when the media had to drag the guy out of his mansion to make a statement....where he then attacked voters for not doing what he had instructed them to.
    Not even the rantings of mad Morrison can hide the stupidity and mismanagement of what is basic understanding and professionalism. Both missing in action!
    Gra
    3rd Sep 2016
    3:15pm
    Old Geezer and Pablo are two of those pallbearers wandering all over the cemetery. They sure have lost the plot.In their tiny minds it is OK to leave parliament early during a sitting but for the opposition to maintain their numbers and take advantage of that, well that is absolutely deplorable. Those two are so unbelievable they must bleed blue. Sad that some people are so entrenched in their ideals, blinkered in their view, they just don't know how to admit their side stuffed up.
    grounded
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:21pm
    It is so disappointing when you see so many people getting all excited over a planned/staged 'gotcha' stunt. Labor and Liberal Pollies have been exciting Canberra early on Thursday's - to catch Flights - for decades.

    What was achieved out of it....did the formal call for a Banking Royal Commission pass through the Parliament. NO! Children play games like this...and sillier children applaud...always reading a pyrrhic celebration into it.

    Twelve...Twenty Four months from now, the Banksters will be still ripping people off....and the best that 'Short Brain' Shorten can do is spring a no consequence 'gotcha' moment based upon the departure times of airline flights.

    Watch 'Waffling' Malcolm now tighten up voting number protocols. Yeah, real smart Billy...as per usual, NOTHING achieved, beyond a cheap thrill for the media services and the adoring mindless to read some sort of latent victory into it.

    Who knows...this might even come back to bite Silly Billy right on the backside....when he or one of his 'Children', move to skip off and catch an early flight.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:25pm
    All it will do is have more PMs use private flights instead of domestic flights to get home. So the taxpayers loses out again. Good on you Bill.
    grounded
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:38pm
    So true Old Geezer....without as much as blinking an eye lid when they make their booking for a private aircraft.....
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:04pm
    So let me get this right.

    Because Liberal politicians have no ethics, they should be allowed to go home early.

    Right?
    Rae
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:26pm
    From running a few businesses I know how easily employees will spend your money if you let them. There should be a very strict governor of the taxpayer's money making them catch later flights like the rest of us have to. Perhaps if pollies had to behave like normal people occasionally they might stop acting like arrogant, over indulged, rich men's, high school kids. All of them.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:29pm
    They are only there for the top end of town.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:32pm
    Agree Rae. Some of the above comments are not comments and need to be taken with a very large grain of salt. As usual no discussion of the issue and simply attacks on the other side for not playing fair...........which of course is the hallmark of conservative politics: lie, deceive and accuse to avoid owning up. Never changes.
    grounded
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:41pm
    Love ya all....Good Cheers.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    8:05pm
    Couldn't agree more MICK, you sure are one astute man, the hallmark of conservative policies, lie, deceive and accuse to avoid owning up.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    8:28pm
    I argue the facts and have not voted for either side of politics for many decades.
    You won't catch me lying. That behaviour belongs to those without from the conservative side of politics. If I accuse it is to bring the culprits to the table. All you ever get is spurious attacks without basis.
    Where are you coming from fred?
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    9:56pm
    Hey MICK i was agreeing with you, read my post again.
    MICK
    3rd Sep 2016
    9:44am
    My misunderstanding. Apologies. Gun back in holster and bullets back in pocket. Cheers.
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    5:44pm
    MICK, I'm glad your'e not a copper, shoot first and ask questions afterwards. Just joking.
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    5:44pm
    MICK, I'm glad your'e not a copper, shoot first and ask questions afterwards. Just joking.
    MICK
    3rd Sep 2016
    9:19pm
    Or where there's smoke there's fire.
    Dan
    2nd Sep 2016
    12:27pm
    The " Fixer Mr C Pyne " and the ever arrogant PM Malcolm Turnbull were fairly and openly out played . Both not even half as smart as they think they are . Time to call for the Royal Commission into the banks and the cost is nothing compared to their huge pension payments they accrue 365 days each year and get out of school early for a long weekend every week Parliament is sitting At least Labour stayed behind and earned theirs for a change only 24 or so sitting days before Christmas AND LOTS OR LEGISLATION INCLUDING SUPERANNUATION CHANGES JUST SITTING AROUND
    Rae
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:33pm
    And the Senate whining that they might have to work through school holidays. Poor dinkums. They might have to put the kids in holiday camps or holiday school care like the rest of workers with kids have to.

    I don't understand why such well paid individuals are so greedy and scroodgish. What is that about?

    They blithely spend tax payer's hard earned and throw away hard won dividends by cut price asset sales but cry like wounded bulls if having to spend any of their own money at all.

    It has to be a deep seated sense of entitlement or something not normal.

    Damned if I understand the attitude.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:35pm
    I find it galling that these buggers only sit a very days during the year and then have to take an early mark.
    You have noted the attitude from the big business governments we have: they cannot handle fair attacks and think they are beyond reproach. All they do really well at is lying, deceiving voters and attacking anybody who disagrees with them in the vilest gutter manner they can.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:52pm
    MICK. they are only there for the top end of town.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:57pm
    I am aware of that fred. It just galls me that the mentally challenged keep voting for them. But then I look at the US and see even more moronic behaviour so what do you do other than pray.
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    1:25pm
    MICK, WHO DO WE PRAY TO?
    ex PS
    3rd Sep 2016
    4:37pm
    THE SUPREME BEING, WHOEVER SHE/HE MIGHT BE.
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    5:42pm
    My grandson was drawing a picture the other day and I asked what he was drawing. He said I'm drawing a picture of God. I said, but nobody knows what God looks like, he said well they will in a minute when I've finished.
    MICK
    3rd Sep 2016
    9:13pm
    Kids are priceless. Makes the rest of us look like mugs at times.
    ex PS
    5th Sep 2016
    12:56pm
    fred, how many years before your grandson can contribute to this forum?
    He makes more sense than some who have been knocking around for a while.

    2nd Sep 2016
    1:06pm
    Malcolm's inexperience and lack of knowledge of parliamentary procedure have been on full display.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:11pm
    They are only there for the top end of town.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:38pm
    Well surely agree on that fred. Thanks for acknowledging the obvious.
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:09pm
    ALL OF THE ABOVE A CORRECT.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:51pm
    They are only there for the top end of town.
    Pamiea
    2nd Sep 2016
    1:15pm
    Bring on a royal commission into the banking sector to ensure that when the Reserve Bank drops interest rates the whole amount should be passed onto those with mortgages etc and not paid to some fat cat CEO who pockets $12million a year in salary as happens with the Commonwealth Bank.
    Not Senile Yet!
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:04pm
    You all Voted for the Party Owned Puppets....so now you can putup with them and the consequences!
    Next time.....don't Vote for them...labor or Libs....they are all Corruptly Bought & Paid for!
    You want change.....the YOU need to implement it yourselves.....change who you Vote for!
    Vote all the Party owned puppets OUT!!
    PlanB
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:16pm
    NSY I NEVER VOTED FOR THOSE BASTARDS I hate Part Politics !
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:58pm
    Yes Not Senile. That is the way to disrupt the big end of town.....but are voters savvy enough to understand the medicine to change the game.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    6:02pm
    They are supporting the big end of town, no doubt.
    ex PS
    5th Sep 2016
    12:58pm
    Not all of us NSY, but too many did.

    2nd Sep 2016
    2:11pm
    A stationary object (the LNP) is quite easily out manoeuvred.
    PlanB
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:12pm
    I have not read all the posts BBUT I am OVER the bloody lot of them and they are overpaid and a lot of low life scum -- more so the now Government -- do not rule Abbott out either he has something planned.

    Time they all got on with caring for this country AND its People !

    Watching Barnaby Joyce behind Turnbull, that man looks like he is mentally impaired -- seriously!
    PlanB
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:14pm
    I meant to add YES we need a RC into the corrupt Banks FOR SURE!
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:59pm
    Doesn't Bill Shorten look more like Stan Laurel every day?
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:01pm
    Let's see how the Independents go. That is probably going to be the best yardstick for how to move forward.
    Paulodapotter
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:20pm
    What does tham make Malcolm - Hardy?
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    6:05pm
    Pauladapotter, Wot?
    ex PS
    5th Sep 2016
    12:59pm
    We may as well be governed by Abbott and Costello. Hang on we, nearly were!
    Dame Marg
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:40pm
    Pablo and Old Geezer - Labor are not much cop but 2 days in to the new parliament they seem 100% better than the LNP rabble. I could never vote for Malcolm and his mob. He is about to take money away from pensioners and give it to his rich mates in the form of tax breaks. Wake up mate.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:56pm
    He's looking after the top end of town.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    4:41pm
    Well I don't like the Libs either but they are a dam sight better than the alternative.

    I actually agree with the 2017 change in asset test for pensioners. Let's face it it is way too generous and people with those sort of asset values are not in danger of living in poverty at all. Note the OAP is welfare designed so that old people don't end up living in poverty.

    I also agree with the cut in company tax too as it will put more money into the economy. If you know how the tax system works you will realise that company tax is not the end taxpayer so will not effect the tax receipts of the nation. A lower company tax rate may infact lead to more tax being collected.

    Also remember a lot of OAPs and self funded retirees have investment in companies and get paid dividends. Now if they don't pay tax then that company tax is lost to the nation because it is paid back the shareholder. Eventually their income here too will fall as the amount of tax they get paid back falls with the lower company tax rate.

    If the top end of town wants to take money out of their companies they have to pay tax on it at their marginal rate less the company tax paid. So they are actually worse off with a lower company tax rate.

    Please understand how tax works before you make comments that are not right.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    5:26pm
    More support for your sponsor Geezer? We both know that Trickle Down Economics DOES NOT WORK. How do you think America's mega rich got that way?
    The tax system in the US is super generous and disproportionately advantages mainly those at the top. Despite huge wealth America is in a death spiral because it refuses to collect real taxes from the rich who still consider they are paying too much when they have all sorts of outs and even send money to tax havens like our own Malcolm Turnbull. Sound familiar?
    Your last sentence belies belief as you grope for the multiplier effect without discussing the political game played by the big boys
    Rational
    2nd Sep 2016
    6:39pm
    Mick is correct - There has been much written in the academic and general literature in recent years on supply side economics [trickle down economics] the majority of which shows that it simply does not work and why. It has the effect of widening the gap between rich and poor with significant adverse economic impacts. This is clearly illustrated in a 2015 report by the International Monetary Fund entitled "Causes and Consequences of Income Inequality: A Global Perspective". However, I suspect Old Geezer and his Coalition friends would not read such a report as it conflicts with their views.
    morrowj1122
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:41pm
    Regulate the Banks.......simple!
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    1:23pm
    No, nationalise them, that will "learn" them.
    The Librarian
    2nd Sep 2016
    2:42pm
    What a hoot! We haven't seen anything yet. Sorry Malcolm the buck stops with the leader and you failed to warn your naughty children they couldn't leave early. Something that was quite obvious really. Should be rather entertaining for a bit.
    Rae
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:52pm
    Oh I agree Librarian.

    I just loved Jacki Lambie's comparison yesterday. Priceless irony.

    This next term will be entertaining if nothing else.

    2nd Sep 2016
    3:22pm
    I think what is being overlooked in all of this is that Labor agreed to provide "pairs" so that if a Minister had to leave the parliament that Labor would exclude one of their members to balance the voting. It seems that Shorten and Co have not honoured this agreement.
    Happy cyclist
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:29pm
    Sorry, OM, but that is just plain inaccurate. Pairs are provided when a Member of either side has a legitimate reason for being absent, NOT when they go home early without permission. If the Foreign Minister is out of the country, a pair is arranged -- NEVER to allow a Member to leave early because they can't be bothered staying to the end of the session. Additonally, as Abbott would not grant a pair for any reason in the Gillard government, even for a man expecting his first child. Shorten has said in this government that he will only do so if the excuse if very good. At least a bit more compassionate than Abbott.
    Anonymous
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:39pm
    No Happy cyclist, Abbott did allow "pairs", The member of which you speak was criminal Thompson who was thrown out of the Labor ranks and sat as a cross-bencher. Abbott would also not allow a "pair" for Slipper who resigned from the LNP and also sat as a cross-bencher. Minister Keenan left early as he had an official function to attend in his electorate.
    Rae
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:59pm
    The LNP didn't honour the agreement made with me either Old Man.
    They will all betray you. There is no honour amongst them.

    Best to look out for yourself. You can't trust any politician or any political party. They all lie.

    There might be the odd individual trustworthy but not a Party.

    The likes of the IPA run the LNP and the unions the ALP.

    Who knows about the Greens as they are more concerned about their family holidays than you or I.
    ex PS
    3rd Sep 2016
    4:45pm
    Old Man, Abbott only agreed to pairing when it suited him to do so, there are documented occasions where he declined to pair for political and malicious reasons.
    Shoreton at least has not ruled out pairing as a party standard.
    Golden Oldie
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:27pm
    I don't care if LNP politicians leave early every day. More scope on getting their disgusting policies rejected by the opposition.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    8:01pm
    They only look after the big end of town Golden Oldie, disgusting.
    ex PS
    3rd Sep 2016
    4:48pm
    The LNP members of parliament have not got the self discipline or morale fiber to put the party before self interest, this will not be the last time that the government is caught out on numbers.

    2nd Sep 2016
    3:32pm
    I don't know about a Royal Commission into banking. Whilst people complain about the huge profits, the majority of the complaints are about the way banks conduct their lending policies. Since the late 80's, banks have shed staff in the chase for profits and most of those in here remember banking before then. Banks had large staffs including loans staff specifically trained to process loan application. Those staff were paid the same wage regardless of whether they wrote up loans or not. Decisions appeared to be made on the ability of applicants to provide adequate security and repay the monthly instalments. Since the banks have been reducing numbers, lending has been placed in the hands of mortgage brokers who only get paid when a loan is approved. This has been shown, time after time, that the system is being misused with inflated valuations and inflated income figures. A Royal Commission into banks may not be able to deal with mortgage brokers who, in my opinion, are part of the problem, Banks could admit that they haven't followed up confirmation of detail in applications but that will be classified as a minor fault. What is needed is to find out what the problems actually are and fix them.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    4:29pm
    I once asked a mortgage broker how much I could borrow and it was hardly enough for a deposit on a house let alone a loan for a house. I then approached a couple of banks. Not only did they want to lend me enough for 3 houses but cut the interest rate considerably as well. In fact I ended up having a dutch auction between two banks for the best interest rate. Apparently mortgage brokers are OK if you have a job (just over broke) but if you don't then they can't work out that you are a better risk and can lend you a lot more.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    5:39pm
    Are we kidding??????

    1. the issue about the banks is not the huge profits. It's about the corrupt behaviour exhibited like selling off peoples houses for less than they are worth when they fall behind with their mortgage. That is unforgivable. Ask farmers as a start.

    2. you continue to crack me up Geezer. Everybody knows banks are back to their pre GST behaviour where they would give a loan to your dog. This is why shareholders in banks need to worry. Congratulations on being able to do a deal but don't suggest for a moment that banks are good guys. They are abhorrent institutions who behave badly where regulation alone is the only way to fix them. Even if Turnbull were forced to run a RC he would NOT produce legislation. The first thing Abbott did with banking legislation Labor left was to throw it in the bin. Turnbull will also. Not hard to understand why. Clearly you have not enough grey matter left to join the dots, or do not want to do so. Which is it?
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    10:59pm
    It is not so much the fault of banks but people just want someone to blame when things don't go well for them. I can tell you lots about the truth behind farmers losing their farms and it's not the fault of banks and certainly no corrupt behaviour on their part. Unfortunately we only hear one side of the truth with the media these days. Yes I know the truth behind some of these farmers affected.

    Prior to the GFC I had people telling me what great schemes they had and how much they were earning. They would explain it to me and I would say that I thought it was too risky for me. They would look at me as though I was completely stupid. These are the people who got too greedy and lost big time. So they blame the banks when blind Freddie could tell them if it's too good to be truth it usually is.

    So please stop listening to the media and believe people that things haven't gone well for so need someone to blame other than themselves.

    So Mick I don't need to join the dots as there are no dots for me to join.
    ex PS
    5th Sep 2016
    1:05pm
    OG, what i get from your first comment is that Mortgage Brokers are more responsible and caring than banks.
    Why would a lending institution have a policy of lending to individuals who will have trouble paying back the load? Unless of course they are hoping to make a profit out of foreclosures down the track.
    Old Geezer
    6th Sep 2016
    7:55pm
    No way PS Mortgage Brokers give loan to those who are only a good as their next pay packet. Banks themselves give loans to those who are have control over their income not someone else. I know who I would lend money to and it would be those with jobs (just over broke).
    dstark
    2nd Sep 2016
    3:38pm
    Pity Shorten and SO MANY OF THE PUBLIC don't understand that the interest rate set by the Reserve Bank; the overnight cash rate, is what the banks can charge each other when each day they have to ensure the many liquidity constraints they must observe are adhered to. It is nothing to do directly with the customer deposit rates, or the housing loan rates.

    We already have a highly regulated banking industry that is one of the best performing in the world, and we should not want it nationalised. We are already on a slippery slope to an economy such as Greece.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    5:43pm
    Rubbish? All of the rates are tied at the hip.
    Our banking industry might currently be one of the best performing in the world but given some of the lending practices, a housing market which is over-inflated and subject to catastrophic collapse if interest rates go up even 3% and predatory behaviour towards customers your statement is sounds more like a LIberal Party slogan straight out of the handbook.
    I do not know how you can write such nonsense. We are not Greece in any form. At least not yet.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    5:59pm
    They are just looking after the big end of town.
    Rodent
    2nd Sep 2016
    4:39pm
    Some weekend reading

    Never thought I would see a very strong Liberal supporter such as Terry McCrann write such an article as this

    Treasurer and Prime Minister a pair of dangerous duds

    Terry McCrann, Herald Sun
    August 31, 2016 9:20pm

    THE treasurer’s absolutely bull-headed refusal to reconsider his superannuation tax changes — other than in the very narrow context of a negotiating tactic with his own backbench — is a very, very, bad sign of the quality of policy more broadly we can expect from this Turnbull-Morrison government.
    It should have been clear from budget night — indeed it should have been clear well before budget night, inside treasury and Scott Morrison’s office, if not his head — that the proposals added up to very bad policy and had to be changed, comprehensively and cohesively.
    No, not changed because of the squeals of pain and outrage from high-income earners or those who had built up large multi-million dollar super balances, but changed for two very important functional reasons.
    The first and most important was not to end up throwing the ‘baby’ out with the ‘bathwater;’ that for the sake of saving a few billion dollars upfront, you ended up compromising the entire purpose of the superannuation system and the tax concessions.
    To remind the treasurer: this is, simply, to get as many people entirely or partially off the old age pension in future years, in future decades.
    It would not simply be pointless but an utter disgrace, to have multi-billion dollar tax concessions each year, while also mandating the injection of over $20 billion a year into the pockets of fund managers and investment advisers, if all you ended up with was retirees being able to binge their super before spending the rest of their lives on the taxpayer pension.
    The second reason why the budget proposals were bad policy is that they were proposed in a vacuum.
    The government wants to put relatively low limits on how much people can put into super; while also increasing the taxation of the money that ends up in there anyway.
    At the same it is leaving in place the low-tax regimes that apply to super’s two biggest competitors — negatively-geared investment, not just property but also into shares; and the capital gains tax-free family home.
    As sure as night follows day, as sure as reality ultimately wins out over wished-for fantasy, people will in future double-down on negative-gearing — including inside their super funds — and also ‘invest’ more in their family home and stay in that home longer. It was almost as if Morrison brought down a budget deliberately designed to pour money into the pockets of property speculators and real estate agents — while imposing higher tax burdens and bigger budget deficits on the backs of his children and grandchildren, whose eyes he wants to be able to keep looking into.
    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Treasurer Scott Morrison.
    As I noted on budget night — in accepting the inevitability of getting some wind-back of Peter Costello’s boomtime generosity — the government had set the two key limits too low. That was so, especially in the context of the ‘new normal’ of very low interest rates.
    At a 3 per cent earning rate, the $1.6 million maximum tax-free super pension balance would generate only $48,000 a year as against between $22,700 (single) and $34,200 (couple) from the taxpayer pension.
    Yes, the $1.6 million is per person, but Labor’s similar proposal would allow annual super pension income up to $75,000 to be tax-free. That’s more realistic, more reasonable.
    The government should either adopt that approach or lift its tax-free ceiling to $2.5 million, which at a 3 per cent earning rate would be the equivalent.
    Far more importantly, how does anyone in future even get to the $1.6 million in the context of the absolute limits to contributions that Morrison wants to impose: the $25,000 a year pre-tax ($21,250 actually into the fund) and the $500,000 lifetime maximum after-tax?
    HOW can you on the one hand say that $1.6 million is an appropriate maximum sum to fund a lifetime in retirement, but accompany it with rigid contribution limits that make it impossible to actually get to that figure?
    To say nothing of the good public policy objective of allowing — if not exactly encouraging — people in their early 60s to sell their family home and put, say, $1 million into super as a one-off?
    It’s been nearly two months since the election. A competent treasurer, with an objective of merging good policy with effective politics, would have spent the time reworking the entirety of his super package, so that he would really have been able to confront first his backbench and then the parliament with well thought through basic good policy.
    Instead Morrison has done the exact opposite: stuck his head in the sand and approached the issue as someone negotiating a deal where you want to give away as little as possible. This goes to the broader issue of leadership at the top — that of Morrison and the prime minister.
    Exactly seven weeks ago, two weeks after the election, I suggested that everyone take a very deep breath and step back.
    There was no need to rush to try to implement policy, whether election promise or left hanging from the budget. That in the coming weeks of the winter hiatus, this was the time for the PM to allow policy to be reconsidered, refined, and ideally made best ‘fit for purpose.’
    What Morrison’s approach to the super mess demonstrates is that the first two months of the new term has been a complete waste of time.
    That has been depressingly reinforced by Turnbull’s supposed 25-point action plan. Most of the proposals have more whiskers on them than a grizzly. They include such profoundly important measures as ‘registration of deaths abroad.’
    We knew before the election that we had a dud — a political and policy dud — as PM. Since the election, the treasurer has made it his singular duty to convince us it’s a two-fer.
    It’s going to be a very long and dispiriting three years. If we get that far.
    Old Geezer
    2nd Sep 2016
    4:58pm
    I agree the problem with this super policy is that the majority of people will not be able to get enough into super so they won't be reliant upon the aged pension. It needs to be easier not harder to put money in but only up to a limit as I don't agree with $10 million super balances for anyone.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    5:45pm
    Especially for well off people who are able to milk the system rather than making their way in the real world.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    6:06pm
    MICK,hear hear, those well off people make me sick, milking the system, whatever next?
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    8:32pm
    My response pertained to Geezer's $10 million post and the fact that big income earners (those who need the least help) get a leg up which hand to mouth earners could only dream about.
    What is your issue????
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    9:53pm
    No issues MICK, I agree with every word you say.
    Oars
    2nd Sep 2016
    6:05pm
    Forgetting the political stunt, I am in favour of a royal commision into banking. The Banks hold most of the community in their clutches. My father was onb a farm during the 1920s depression and he told me how the ruthless bankers kicked him and his sisters out of the farmhouse. His dying words of advice were- keep clear of those ****** bankers if you can. Well i took him up on that and I own everything and they pay me -he bloody he ! Go Royal Commission -let a few of us retired folk put in our tuppence so that the terms of references are broad enough to get to the roots of the real problem-White collar stand over.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    8:33pm
    Quite a surprise from you Oars. Be careful you are not branded a leftie though.
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    10:50am
    Just be careful Oars.
    Happily retired early
    2nd Sep 2016
    6:31pm
    Any other empolyee that leaves work before knock off time would get the sack and that's what born to rule Turnbull should do to these highly paid clowns.
    roy
    2nd Sep 2016
    8:00pm
    That dreadful born to rule man Turnbull, he must be devastated to know that you have such a low opinion of him Happily retired.
    MICK
    2nd Sep 2016
    8:34pm
    Not alone fred. Read these columns long enough and you will see that many posters feel the entitlements that those in charge have are not fair. You?
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    9:13am
    I think the MP's are underpaid.
    MICK
    3rd Sep 2016
    9:42am
    That might be true if they were doing a good job rather than working for their own interests or vested interests who stump up the cash for political advertising to get them into office. I recall Kerry Packer said it all when he was summoned before a senate inquiry.
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    10:52am
    They only look after the big end of town.
    john
    3rd Sep 2016
    7:10am
    alp has no intention of help Australia thy are solely intent on destroy all opposition regardless of what happens to the country
    MICK
    3rd Sep 2016
    9:40am
    Kidding? NOBODY destroys the nation like Abbott did in opposition or have you forgotten. Hence the tag 'Mr No'. I have seen Shorten support good legislation a couple of times, something which Malcolm 'tax cuts for the rich' Turnbull would never do.
    The other issue I might point out is that Labor actually brings in policies for the nation which benefit us all. The NBN would never have happened under the current crew and Turnbull has already butchered the original (proper) project...which is now going to cost at least as much for a third rate result.
    I think you need to offer some argument rather than make statements which cannot be supported john. Maybe hit us with pink batts or school halls nonsense.
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    10:49am
    Absolutely spot on MICK, you are really one very astute man, no doubt about it.
    Adrianus
    5th Sep 2016
    5:21pm
    john, I think you are right!! We would have been in a huge mess if Labor had more say. Our power bills would be double if it wasn't for us kicking out Labor and the Unions.
    Gigi
    3rd Sep 2016
    11:36am
    Again this website participants are playing the one-up-manship just like a Pollies!! Shame on the three politicians that left the Parliament (should be fined for failure to perform the elected duties) but shame on a political party to play such damaging tricks which is quite unforgivable. Where is the bipartisanship that Labor has been crowing about, certainly not in their own behaviour. I thought ALL pollies were elected to 'get on with the job' not play silly buggers or 'wag school'
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    1:40pm
    I personally think Bill Shorten is wonderful and one day he will be the best PM this country has ever seen.
    ex PS
    3rd Sep 2016
    4:58pm
    Gigi, it is a bit hard to be bipartisan when the other partisan's idea of negotiating is threats and insults instead of reason and give and take. Bi means two, as in two entities treating each other with respect. The opposition was given the opportunity but could not put petty politics aside long enough to take up the offer.
    Example, the Omnibus proposal that the LNP urged the ALP to support without proper inspection contained several items not addressed in the ALP campaign, 5 pages into the proposal was a mistake worth billions of dollars.
    The LNP has yet to prove that they can be trusted, and on the strength of current behavior does not deserve bipartisan support.
    MICK
    3rd Sep 2016
    9:02pm
    fred: let's not overdo it. The issue is that Shorten is the better of two bad choices. The coalition are the prostitutes of the rich and will run this country into the ground with it's class warfare. Shorten is not a wonderful leader but anything is better than the Turnbull bunch of cretins.
    roy
    3rd Sep 2016
    9:07pm
    They only look after the top end of town.
    Adrianus
    5th Sep 2016
    5:25pm
    fred I guess you're hoping for same sex marriage to get up? Good for you!
    floss
    3rd Sep 2016
    4:43pm
    Old Geezer you are a great SS., and you do enjoy it.
    Aussiefrog
    4th Sep 2016
    7:53am
    Deplorable from both sides of the house, but then again you people voted for them, so assume it now!
    btony
    4th Sep 2016
    4:29pm
    and just whose pocket does the prime minister think the legal profession pisses in?
    Mike Omment
    5th Sep 2016
    5:21pm
    Fred,,,I have a question .Witch end of town do you think the Liberals support?
    grounded
    8th Sep 2016
    7:01pm
    Smile...........
    Adrianus
    5th Sep 2016
    5:27pm
    Labor and the unions are winning the politics. That's the game they play. That's what they care about. But the adults won the election.
    Captain
    5th Sep 2016
    8:10pm
    So I gather the LNP won the election but don't know how to win at playing politics.

    I suppose the adults thought that the children wouldn't notice if the adults skilled off early for the week-end.

    Silly, silly adults.

    By the way I am not a Labor voter. Just someone who perhaps understands the game better than the so called adults.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    8:22pm
    The adults now realise the real value of Grange hermitage. A lesson they learned from the children. Eric Berne will tell you it's a mistake to let the child coerce you into your child but it does happen.
    ex PS
    8th Sep 2016
    6:09pm
    Come on Frank, Abbott won power purely by playing politics, they are politicians, the name might give you hint as to what their proclivities are.
    Fazed Cynic
    6th Sep 2016
    12:24pm
    there has already been a Royal Commission into the banks but it was swept under the carpet! About time they stopped pulling stunts and actually got some work done in Parliament for a change..no more Royal Commissions that waste taxpayer money.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMZeg0FjpQ0
    Old Geezer
    6th Sep 2016
    7:51pm
    The power of money and bullshit.





    I TOLD MY SON, "YOU WILL MARRY THE GIRL I CHOOSE."

    HE SAID, "NO."



    I TOLD HIM, "SHE IS BILL GATES DAUGHTER."

    HE SAID, "YES."



    I CALLED BILL GATES AND SAID, "I WANT YOUR DAUGHTER TO MARRY MY SON,"



    BILL GATES SAID, "NO"



    I TOLD BILL GATES, "MY SON IS THE C.E.O. OF WORLD BANK."



    BILL GATES SAID, "OK"



    I CALLED THE PRESIDENT OF WORLD BANK AND ASKED HIM TO MAKE MY SON THE C.E.O.



    HE SAID, "NO"



    I TOLD HIM, "MY SON IS BILL GATES SON-IN-LAW"



    HE SAID, "OK"



    THIS IS EXACTLY HOW POLITICS WORKS.
    Adrianus
    6th Sep 2016
    8:11pm
    Who did Sam Dastyari marry again?