23rd May 2013
Daylight terrorist attack in London
Daylight terrorist attack in London

A British soldier has been killed after two men ran him down in their car and savagely butchered him in broad daylight in front of onlookers. The attack occurred a few blocks from the Royal Artillery Barracks in the suburb of Woolwich, located southeast of London.

According to onlookers, the man was struck down by a car, after which the two attackers got out and started to strike the man with a kitchen knife and a meat cleaver. They then dragged the man into the middle of the road where they made no attempt to flee the scene, waiting for police.

An onlooker who was filming the incident on a smartphone was approached by one of the men who had seen the camera. The attacker attempted to justify his actions by saying “The only reason we have done this is because Muslims are dying every day. This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for tooth. We apologise that women had to see this today, but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government. They don't care about you."

Police arrived on the scene a short time later. The two men threatened the police and, as a result, were shot and wounded. Both men were taken to hospital, one in a serious condition.

Read more from ABC News.

Read more from CBSNews.

Watch the interview with one of the attackers on YouTube. Warning: this video contains graphic images which may distress some viewers. Proceed with caution.  


The new face of terror

Since the 9/11 attacks on New York, the ‘face of terror’ has been men with Arabic skin tone, dressed in a similar way to Osama Bin Laden, wearing headdresses and sporting thick beards.

The new face of terror emerged today when these two men murdered a British soldier in London. They were young, clean shaven, had very dark skin and spoke like locals. These men were intent on sending a statement and, unlike those involved in the Boston Bombings last month, didn’t try and flee the scene. This is a new style of terrorism, one we haven’t had to experience before.

While the motive is clear – one of the men was recorded saying “This British solder is an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth” – it is still unclear where the men originate from, only that the attack was in retaliation for “Muslims dying every day”.

The Islamic Society of Britain was quick to release a statement condemning the attacks. It stated that justifying this killing in the name of faith or religion is false and rejected.

Our thoughts go out to the friends and family of the victim.

Is this type of personal attack more worrying than that of a faceless bomber? Do you think Australia is at risk of similar attacks?

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    lowflyer
    23rd May 2013
    10:46am
    I think it is highly likely as the Gillard Govt. has virtually opened the door to who ever want to enter this country, consequently unfortunately some of the extreme types which are a minority group will cause major damage and killings in the future. Most Muslims are a peace loving people but unfortunately there are some who corrupt their good book and use it how they want. I thank God that I am 70 and will not have to see this happening [I Hope ]
    Tom Tank
    23rd May 2013
    11:35am
    Why bring the current Australian government into this terrible incident. It is a fact of life that there are extremes in every religion and agitators can really stir up those who feel discriminated against.
    Look at some emails that are in circulation that are stirring up divisions through clever use of fact mixed with misinformation. The less than clear thinking people tend to belief everything in those emails.
    Cast aside your political rusted on feelings and acknowledge that the difference between the parties on refugees is not that far apart. How the Liberals are "going to stop the boats" really stretches the imagination. Are they going to sink them? If a terrorist really wants to enter this country to cause harm they will simply fly in as it is so easy to enter that way. Our illegals in this country ALL came in that way.
    Young Simmo
    23rd May 2013
    11:54am
    Tom Tank, your 2nd last sentence is spot on. That boat load that pulled up in the Geraldton harbour could easily have been a boat load of Terrorists with several tonnes of explosives. They could have landed at any remote piece of beach and been met by some of their mates with a truck. Then they could have blown up Colin Barnett's 25 million dollar office. This is just one of a million possibilities. That mob of Turkey's lead by BLOODNUT, put that one to bed very quickly.
    aquatrek
    23rd May 2013
    11:59am
    Australia is at much a risk as any other democratic nation. All religions are basically evil in that they have their own agendas run in the vast majority be fanatical men. Bishops, Imams - whatever, they all promote their own brand of division and hatred no matter what the doctrine/dogma says. There are so many denominations/splinter groups nowadays the cults are ubiquitous. The Cronulla riots were just a sample of what may eventuate. Here in Oz we can only put our trust in the police intelligence and also in those in the community who will take the risk of disclosure if they are aware of intent to harm. That the London murderers didnt commit suicide is a new brain washed twist.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    3:26pm
    Will we never understand that what we sow we reap.

    If the UK, USA and Israel support EXTREMIST groups that are part of Al Quaeda, to invade countries such as Libya and Syria and to also personally reap murder and mayhem on countries like Iraq where HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of INNOCENCES have been murdered.... what can you expect.

    If Australia was invaded, our soils polluted with depleted uranium, infrastructure destroyed, homes destroyed, occupied by brutal militia and military forces, my baby and child brutally murdered, my partner brutally murdered, my mother blown to bits, my father never found, my brother brutally murdered, my sister raped and her child murdered........ I think it just may affect my perception of those committing these atrocities..... I don't think it would matter what religion I was (or wasn't),..... I think I would hate those that committed these atrocities against humanity.

    These REVENGE attacks have nothing to do with religion, they are simply because those of a certain religion are the recipients of inhumane crimes and atrocities acted upon them.

    Isn't it time we stopped bashing up those that have witnessed these horrific crimes against humanity and started raising our voices to STOP further demonic atrocities .......no matter what lies our governments tell us!
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    12:47pm
    The religion of Atheism has been at the forefront of intolerance, murders, fanaticism, torture, imprisonment in the past 200 years - the facts and figures tell the story. Thank God that Jesus is not religion.
    Joe_in_Darwin
    23rd May 2013
    1:03pm
    I would agree that all those wars and other crimes have usually been performed with the dollar (and/or power) as the prime motive - religion has very rarely been the real reason.

    Religion is often used to mask those baser motives though, and in far too many instances it has been religious "authorities" that have been craving that money or power.

    As for Jesus, well he was simply repeating the teachings of Buddha some 500 years earlier and deserves plaudits for his work.

    I wonder why there are no fundamentalist Buddhists?
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    1:15pm
    Joe Well you have never read Jesus' teachings have you?? You obviously have never met Him. Buddha is dead, Jesus is alive.

    Incidentally there have been terrorism by Buddhists.

    Wars are caused by man, that is the truth. What excuse he uses is neither here nor there.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    3:38pm
    Ow, dear, I noticed that you have shifted your 'hatred' from Muslims to Atheists. Is this your new teachings Taskid.

    You seem to forget that it is the religious that aspired to obtain the most power and the most wealth..... Hitler, just to name one which was your own religion Tasked but there are many others that were and are of different religions.

    Yes, I know, you then say that they are not of the true religion and therefore you categorise them as being atheists or worse.

    How your mind does somersaults to ensure you keep believing that religion is good and that your particular brand of religion is the ONLY religion........ now let's consider that ...... isn't that the very FIRST and LARGEST bid for POWER anyone could express!!!!!! How many times have I heard that line and how many times has crimes and atrocities against humanity been committed under this very same banner!

    Yes, I know Taskid, your religion (which isn't a religion) is the TRUE religion and if other religions, atheists, agnostics, etc ONLY believed your teachings everything would be better. Hence, the reason you support crimes and atrocities against humanity is because it has been done to those 'other' false religions..... yes!
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    3:59pm
    Mussitate You are a slow learner I know. I have told you many many times there is no hate in me. Do not judge others by the way you think and feel.

    Hitler was a member of a denomination, he was no ever a Christian.

    "Adolf Hitler was raised by a sceptic, anticlerical father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood.[1] Though never formally expelled from the Catholic Church, he later had "no attachment to it" and became hostile to its teachings" Wikipedia

    I do not believe any "religion" - no matter how many times you repeat it parrot fashion it will never be true so give yourself a break.

    The fact is Atheistic regimes have been responsible for the greatest numbers of murders in the past 200 years and put into the shadow wars by man under the guise of being "religious." Caise of war = man, only ever. End of story.

    I never have and never will support violence and killing whether it is war, abortion, or capital punishment. Now get down off your high horse before it bucks you and puts you further in the mud.
    Paddles
    23rd May 2013
    9:52pm
    Taskid
    Interesting that you should mention Hitler. Whatever the stated position of the Catholic church was, it is a matter of historical fact that Pope Pius XII declined to criticise Hitler's pogrom against the German (and other) jews.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    9:56pm
    Paddles I didn't bring Hitler up first, atheists bring him up constantly trying to make out he was a Christian.

    I am not standing up for any denominations, many are full of man-made religions. I just follow Jesus - I am just a Christian. No need for any other labels.
    Joe_in_Darwin
    23rd May 2013
    12:54pm
    I don't 100% agree with Aquatrek that all religions are intrinsically evil - most religions provide comfort and support to the majority of their devotees. This comes at a price of course and that is the surrendering of some element of control over the actions of that person to the religion.

    Again, this is not necessarily a bad thing.

    Looking at these murderers in London, I do not believe that they have their religion supporting them in any way. There are extremists in any religion and many of these extremists are very much against the existence of any other religion - there are fundamentalist Christians everywhere who adopt the same views as these fundamentalist Muslims we hear so much about. The only real difference is in the fact that one group takes a more active approach and this results in an unfortunately high body count.

    What can we do about it? I have no real idea except to say that we should not accept any facet of any fundamentalist approach that is inimical to the way our society functions and I am sure that the UK's society will do the same thing.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    1:03pm
    Joe

    I am a Christian who follows Jesus, He never taught violence, ever, He said, "Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword" - but then Jesus is not religion and religion is not Jesus so people who claim they are Christian and do violence are just imposters. Jesus alone knows His followers, those who obey what He said.

    Conversely the Q'ran does incite its followers to violence, have you ever read it? The aim of Islam is to Islamise the whole world, that is their idea of "peace."

    The follower of Jesus however is called to love our enemies, bless them not curse them, very different.
    Young Simmo
    23rd May 2013
    1:32pm
    Taskid, you say "He never taught violence, ever,". Well when you look at the Catholic Paedophiles he was right next door to Violence.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    1:43pm
    young simmo
    Paedophiles anywhere are gross criminals. They are not Christian, just imposters as are those who protect them. The fact is they creep into any organisation where they will have access to children.

    Jesus never taught violence, He also had some tough teachings about anyone harming a child.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    3:43pm
    Taskid

    Yes, anything that is done that is criminal, abusive or atrocities are ALL done by OTHER religions.... your particular religion is the ONLY TRUE religion (Yes...sigh..it is a religion... remember I have gone to one of your 'copyrighted' MED WEST AMERICAN sites).

    Now, all you have to do is make sure that all other religions and especially those nasty atheists are cast aside (no matter how) and the TRUE religion is brought forth to rule the world.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    4:05pm
    Mussitate Here you are again, like a flea on a dog or a mosquito on the backside of an elephant - being really a minor irritation.

    Now just try to follow this - I do not follow any religion. Religion is man-made and yes sadly it has polluted some parts of Christianity, but it is not Christianity. To be a Christian one must follow Jesus and obey Him only, no man, no denomination, just Him. He is a Person, not religion. I know that is beyond your ken, but that is the fact of the matter. No amount of your bleating will change it. Flick -gone.
    scicdb3
    23rd May 2013
    1:02pm
    The story of Judas, who was the closest of the disciples to Jesus, is a parable: Judas betrayed Christ because he loved Him, but with a passion that could not accept how He could love the other disciples equally and in a fit of jealousy, betrayed Him (and when he realised what he had done, he took his own life). Just as Judas did not have the right to claim the exclusive love of Jesus, so no one church has the right to claim to be the one true church, so too does any one religion have the right to claim to be the sole representative of God. Our problem is not so much one of hate, but of passionate, blinding attachment and love or our own views and beliefs that we cannot admit any other.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    1:09pm
    scicdb3
    There is only one "Church" that is the body of true followers of Jesus wherever they may be, in denominations or out of them. As for the comment no one religion has the right to claim so be the sole representative of God - depends which "god" you speak of. For the God of the Christians, the Father of all, Jesus is the only way. He said it - "I am the Way the Truth and the Life, no-one comes to the Father but through Me." So those who are true followers of Jesus know that He is not a religion, He is a Person, the only God who can be known. His followers have a relationship with Him. Hope that helps.
    Angel
    23rd May 2013
    1:02pm
    Your comments are spot on "aquatrek" I agree entirely, it is religion that causes division and hatred, they are evil institutions we would be much better off just having love and respect our religion.
    Wstaton
    23rd May 2013
    1:02pm
    Throughout history there has been more killings and suffering on behalf of religious belief than anything else and what for? As far as I see these religions are all based on mythical happenings that have no actual fact.

    Lets look at it this way. If a present day doctor went back into the past and started curing people what do you think he or she would have been thought of. (mind you if it was a she she would have probably been burnt at the stake as a witch)

    aquatrek is also right. Most of these religions were started by men and they do not today want to give up the power it gives them. Especially over women. Unfortunately Islam is one of the worst. Islam may have started off a s a benign religion. (started off by a man but giving the man overriding authority over women) but it has become corrupted by men over time.

    Peoples minds are corrupted by religion, cults and what have you. It just shows the flimsiness of peoples minds that they can be manipulated and made to do acts like that in London. Unfortunately this sort of thing also starts other people with equally flimsy minds to react to it without understanding that this is exactly what the terrorists want. Now we here that there is going to be a backlash against this.

    I know several Muslim families and great friends with some of them. They act live just as most of us do in society living normal happy lives. Yes they have cultural differences but we all have. They do not want to change anything. As mentioned it is the minority that are causing all the problems.

    So we have religions, fair enough most of us want something to turn to especially in times of stress and a lot of people find comfort in that. Unfortunately comfort is gradually being erased because of other fanatical people.
    jennyya
    23rd May 2013
    1:04pm
    You don't find the Uniting Church, Catholic Church or Church of England going out there an blowing people to pieces or the Buddhists for that matter so please don't think that all religions do these heinous acts. People know that the face of terror sits squarely with the Muslim religion. The labor government is at fault where Australia is concerned by letting far too many people in to our wonderful country without papers and passport. Some of them may be great people but some of them won't be and it doesn't take too many to set off a train of events that will lead to mass killings. It will happen here - mark my words. The liberals have vowed to "stop the boats" and they will, but it maybe be too late as there are people here that are preaching hatred already and from the Muslim persuasion. The Muslim faith does not have our kind of teaching or beliefs - whether you are an athiest or religious or in-between, generally we believe in the same moral values. Muslims dont. 'They have their own agenda. You just have to see how their women are treated. We don't want Sharia law in this country - ever.
    Tom Tank
    23rd May 2013
    2:09pm
    Remember the IRA? They were supported by the Catholic Church.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    2:23pm
    Roman Catholocism is a denomination - the only real Church is the Body of true believers - whether in a denomination or not. Many in denominations call themselves "Christians" but only Jesus knows who belong to Him. Do not try to sully Christianity by the behaviour of people who were patently not obeying Jesus. To be a Christian you do as He says, not what your political or human instincts tell you.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    4:20pm
    Pardon....jennyya...... pardon.

    Catholic, Uniting and Church of England denominations have all had pasts that have included crimes against humanity.... all of them.... their histories are riddled with it.

    Let's just look at current history......these religious orders have supported the invasion of other lands and other religions ...... they have supported the pollution of lands with depleted uranium, the destruction of infrastructure and private homes, the occupation by brutal militia and military forces, the brutal murdering of INNOCENT babies, children, women, and men.

    All these atrocities against humanity have been against lands that were occupied by Muslims but not because they are muslims but because they had oil or strategic advantage.

    I did not hear any outrage espoused by any of the christian denominations that you have spewed forth as being above reproach. They, including Taskid's loving religion, have actually got into bed with Al Qaeda (a disgustingly brutal regime) who undertake atrocities and brutal crimes against humanity and who have been supported and funded by the West and those religions that remain silent against such atrocities.

    All religions should be standing up and shouting very loudly about these atrocities and condemning the West's financial and military support of these murderous and brutal Al Qaeda cells.

    In regard to women, the most restrictive and brutally treated women are from Saudia Arabia which is a dictatorship totally and fully supported by the USA. Compared to Iran which is a democracy and women have greater freedom and rights with only some, who belong to a deeply religious group, CHOOSING to wear full body covering - Iran also has many Jewish people living there who have a Jewish representative in parliament. This Jewish representative has publicly condemned Israel for their persecution of Palestinians and states that the they oppose this form of fascism.

    So, it all comes back to our corporate (foreign) owned media..... doesn't it really. We the people are NOT being adequately informed, so that the corporations and wealthy elite can commit atrocities in order to gain financial benefits, in OUR name and WE the people suffer the consequences of THEIR crimes.

    We can no longer afford these parasites on society.... it is time!
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    4:35pm
    It is when man rejects God that evil and wars take place. Islam has rejected the one True God of the Bible and now follows a false "god." That is their problem.

    "It is true that it's possible that religion can produce evil, and generally when we look closer at the detail it produces evil because the individual people are actually living in a rejection of the tenets of Christianity and a rejection of the God that they are supposed to be following. So it can produce it, but the historical fact is that outright rejection of God and institutionalizing of atheism actually does produce evil on incredible levels. We're talking about tens of millions of people as a result of the rejection of God.G Kouhl"
    Paddles
    23rd May 2013
    1:17pm
    We should all look past the religious element to the nature and mental stability of the perpetrators of atrocities. Mental deviants, when surrounded by the impressionable of any creed, are capable of wreaking havoc among the peaceable majority and there is no way to avoid this.
    I think that as Australians, we are particularly vulnerable in that, by international standards, we have led a rather sheltered life and do not find it easy to be constantly vigilant. I know that I have been proven of that mind set when I have been confronted overseas with the sight of machine gun toting law enforcement on street corners.
    Accept the fact that such bestiality as is being discussed here can, and probably will, arise in our country. We should all attempt to be more aware of the potential for harm and act and report accordingly.
    The next step is how we deal with such crimes when they arise. Recent judicial action does not inspire confidence in me that our system has the necessary guts and public support to adequately deal with it.
    Young Simmo
    23rd May 2013
    1:37pm
    I expect to be dead sometime in the next 24 hrs to 24 years, so I don't have much to worry about. But for future generations of Aussies big trouble is coming. Australia is just a baby compared to England and Europe, and we are still catching up.
    kianga0
    23rd May 2013
    1:43pm
    I received this in an email recently: Can anyone tell me honestly that it is untrue?

    Can a good Muslim be a good Australian?

    This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

    The following is his reply:

    Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .

    Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam . (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

    Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

    Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

    Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews .

    Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , (the great Satan) , Australia and the rest of the free world.

    Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )

    Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the Australian Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

    Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

    Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

    Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Australians. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

    The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. .....
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    1:49pm
    The spiritual war is far bigger still. Thank God Jesus is the winner.
    Tom Tank
    23rd May 2013
    2:33pm
    This is typical of the half-truth emails that are circulating these days. One example-
    Islam does not believe the Bible is corrupt. They do believe that the Bible is not followed by Christians therefore the Christians are corrupt. The three Religions tracing their ancestory back to Abraham claim to worship one God. Christians Worship Father, Son and Holy Ghost which amounts to three Gods. Christians also do not follow the Ten Commandments - example Statues and Paintings in churches. Graven images which are bowed down to by worshippers.
    Only a couple of examples but open your eyes and research with an open mind and you will see the misleading statements presented by Kianga0.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    2:43pm
    Tom Tank
    Those email come from people who like you take a half truth here, half truth there and make it into something it is not.

    The Q'ran if you read it has those things in it.

    Christians, true Christians follow only Jesus. I cannot answer for those who h say they are Christians an have idols etc. Every Christian I know follows only Jesus and in Him are the Ten Commandments. You look at one or two denominations and judge the whole. See - half-truth.

    Islam does not follow the God of the Christian and Jew. They deviated away from the OT and followed Allah a moon spirit, hence the crescent moon. Get your facts straight.
    Tom Tank
    23rd May 2013
    3:07pm
    Actually Taskid YOU need to get your facts straight. I was NOT referring to your beliefs which are way different to mainstream and I do not include your beliefs in any comment I pass on any religion whatsoever.
    I think you would be better to work away at getting others to follow a true path by practical means instead of sitting on the sidelines passing comments which do not contribute to the discussion in hand.
    May YOUR God go with you and look after you.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    3:29pm
    Tom Tank
    My beliefs are Christianity. You made comments relating to the Bible - erroneous ones.

    You think Christianity is "good works" - wrong. Christianity is following Jesus. No one can earn their way to heaven, although many kid themselves they can. As I Christian one does things to help others, not to earn a ride to heaven though, it is doing that which Jesus shows us to do. So sorry, you got it wrong again.
    Tom Tank
    23rd May 2013
    4:05pm
    Ah Taskid you carry the burden of being so right in everything while everyone else is so wrong. It reminds me of the old story of the woman at an army passing-out parade in which her son was taking part. She exclaimed to the lady next to her - "look at that everyone is out of step except my George"
    Signing off with no further comment as I do not believe in discussing matters with anyone with a closed mind.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    4:24pm
    Tom Tank It is not that I am right at all. Jesus is right always and forever. That will never change.

    He said,
    "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." - Matthew 11:28-30
    BD
    23rd May 2013
    1:57pm
    I think Jennya, is a little out of touch with Northern Ireland.......wasn't that Catholic and Protestants blowing up and murdering each other for decades!!.......ALL Religions have bad elements, not just Muslims, but we have let so many people "easily" into this country, that I agree, such terrorism will only get worse..........in some cases there is violence erupting just because "dubious" families move in to your next door, as neighbours.

    Thankfully I live in an area way out of town and somewhat protected from the violence that has emanated from the densely populated suburbs, places like Docklands.......how it is that we have become so centred on dense population when we have so much space to let everyone have a bit of room.........I know it seems all to come down to money, but when the current Govt. have wasted the billions they have, what incentive is there for anyone to try to work or in fact do anything.....these mindless attacks happen most simply because the people who carry them out have simply nothing better to do......."pack mentality"!!!
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    2:05pm
    BD Like most in here who know nothing about Christianity and what it means to be a Christian, you look at the behaviour of people and judge their Lord by that. He is not the Lord of violence. Denominations are not the Body of Christ. That is made up of people who follow and obey Jesus. I am sure there were Christians in Ireland, but it was not those who resorted to violence. They are just unforgiven sinners like any other person. Not Christians. They may have had man-made religious denominations, but they were not followers of Jesus no matter what they called themselves.
    Young Simmo
    23rd May 2013
    2:09pm
    Taskid, how come you are always right, and the other 22,999,999 Aussies are always wrong?
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    2:25pm
    Young Simmo It is not that I am right, Jesus is right always and forever. I just tell the truth as He told us to. No more, no less. You don't know Him so you cannot do it. If Australians choose to reject their Lord then they will say silly things because they do not know the truth. Many Australians are Christians and they know the difference. You could too, but you apparently are not game to find out whether this God you mock is there or not. He is you know. :0)
    Wstaton
    23rd May 2013
    3:33pm
    Taskid, please tell me how Young Simmo is supposed to find out. because you say so, because it is written in a book written by men or because a priest whose part job is to convert said so? I also understand that the bible is not written by one man (doesn't seem to be much input from women) but a number of men. Probably the quran was as well.

    We are always told we have to take it on faith. Much like politicians try to say.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    3:42pm
    Wstaton

    You deride the Bible (have you read it - more importantly do you know the Author, not the scribes, the Author) - Young Simmo and anyone else can know by asking Jesus. He is there, He will answer a person sincerely seeking Him, you have not because you ask not. Difference between you and me, I asked you haven't.

    23rd May 2013
    2:14pm
    Well said Joe In Darwin,its true too,"there are no fundamentalists in Buddhism"a few fanatics but Buddhism is not a religion its a way of life,a way to live.

    Hello Young Simmo,you were right about the other thread,they kicked us both out,what a bummer,must of hit a raw nerve eh.

    Hooroo,Zzzzzzz, now Sleep Australia.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    2:29pm
    Buddhism is a religion indigenous to the Indian subcontinent that encompasses a variety of traditions, beliefs and practices largely based on teachings attributed to Siddhartha Gautama, who is commonly known as the Buddha.
    NightStalker
    23rd May 2013
    3:13pm
    In a word - YES!
    When - When they feel like it!
    Suck it up people so much for a religion of 'peace'. And yes, I've extensive experiences in dealing with 'people'.

    23rd May 2013
    3:17pm
    Religion was invented when the first conman was born,Buddhism is a way to live,Right Mind,Right Speech etc,all religions have one thing in common and that is brainwashing poor defenceless people,and money,lots of money equals lots of power,lots of money equals lots of Kalashnikov rifles,and lots of Kalashnikovs means lots of terrorists.
    The definition of a moderate terrorist is a man with a Kalashnikov with an empty magazine!
    It was probably the Mesopotamians who started religion as they were the first to start writing with clay tablets (3500BC I think) but then again cave men worshipped things too.

    But I dont know cos i'm always Zzzzzzzz Asleep!
    Paddles
    23rd May 2013
    10:06pm
    Billy
    Who was it that labelled religion "the opiate of the people"?
    I forget but I tend to agree when scanning Taskid's input.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    10:11pm
    Oh that was the guru of the Atheist religion - Marx - he killed a lot of people - think it was a requirement of his religion.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    3:19pm
    Buddhism is a religion. Wiki says so. :0) as is atheism - Einstein said so.
    Peterseaford
    23rd May 2013
    3:28pm
    Read the Book then comment.
    Muslims hate Unbelievers and they cannot mix with them -

    regardless of what they say - its written in The Holy Book .

    Islam is way of life and unbelievers have no place in it - nor do those who believe in same

    sex marriage.
    Young Simmo
    23rd May 2013
    4:39pm
    Peterseaford, let me guess, that is an Australian Salmon that you are holding.
    Innyoo
    23rd May 2013
    3:51pm
    We already have it in Australia - restriction of freedom to do things that Australians have always done, because 'it might offend those of other religions'. I also find it hard when I hear of many people in Muslim countries being jailed, tortured and killed because they refuse to be Muslim, or have turned away from Muslim. I have heard of boat people giving other boat people a hard time when they question being Muslim. Yes it will get worse in Australia too.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    5:02pm
    Oh...NO... not the dreaded boat people! Do you know that the ones that obtain asylum wouldn't even fill the MCG in Melbourne, yet. Are usually escaping the brutality and atrocities committed by Al Qaeda cells (supported by the West) and are as grateful as hell of being able to simply live in a safe country.

    You may wish to stop listening to our corporate (foreign) owned media and have a look at the number of immigrants brought in under 474 Visas and those illegally remaining in Australia once these visa's expire and those simply coming to Australian per aeroplane and staying illegally. The 474 visa entrants are brought in by business to undermine Australian employment and don't tell me they are for areas that require specialist skills because that is utter rubbish. Cleaners from Indonesia are brought in by the mines as cheap labour, to replace the more expensive Australian cleaners.

    Mines take OUR resources to make PERSONAL profits of which mostly goes OVERSEAS and doesn't want to EMPLOY Australians OR PAY their FAIR share of TAX AND claim SUBSIDIES for their energy and fuel usage!

    Back to other immigrants to Australia. You may wish to look at how easy it is to actually immigrate to Australia, compared to the stringent tests and delays undertaken by refugees.

    All you need is to incorporate a ($2) Company in Australia and then get that company (owned by you) to SPONSOR you as an employee to come to Australia, all your costs to come over to Australia AND your residential rental and food costs are paid for by the company which gets a tax deduction but doesn't pay Fringe Benefits Tax and obviously free to the recipient. The company would start a business... all good so far.. the sponsored person can make money out of Australia..... then after two years (earlier in some cases) applies for and usually obtains Australian residency. So, what do we have, someone who has NOT brought ANYTHING into Australia or added any particular skill, bypassed a lot of in-depth scrutiny and extracts a living from this country.

    Yes, fact, a group of white South Africans came into the country in this way but obtained Australian permanent residency earlier than 24 months.

    So.... you were saying what about Refugees.... exactly what our corporate (foreign) owned media fill your head with.

    Not your fault because Australians are pretty trusting and have yet to understand that our corporate (foreign) owned media are just that corporate owned (PRIVATE concerns who are only interested in furthering their own interests and lengthening their own pockets with gold coins and wielding an incredible amount of power over who leads this country-undermining our very democratic processes)..foreign - yes our laws were changed by Howard, foreign nationals now are able to control our media which means that not only do they look after their own interests, they look after their own countries interests and not ours or Australia's.

    Our corporate owned (foreign) media are even self regulated (they sit on their own disciplinary boards) so effectively can do what ever they want. The ABC and SBS are subjected to very, astute control to ensure unbiased and uninfluenced government control ...... why can't the corporate owned (foreign) media also come under this same controls to ensure unbiased and full reporting of issues.

    Until Australia make corporate owned (foreign) media OPEN and ACCOUNTABLE and subject to review by independent bodies, then we will end up like Americans. Polarisation of 90% of the wealth into the hands of only 1% of the people which means that 99% have only 10% of the wealth which means that we will be under educated, no health care, living in poverty with rats and cockroaches, ever spreading ghettos, drugs out of control, crime an everyday occurrence, no infrastructure or services or future for your kids - in exchange we will be offered a flag to wave to show bulldust patriotism, after we place our hands over our hearts and pledge allegiance to a country totally controlled by corporate interests (new word for the USAs type of democracy - Corporatocracy - look up wikipedia).

    Don't hand our democracy and freedom and thriving economy which emanates from the fact that this countries wealth is spread out more than any other country in the world between the people.

    Greedy corporate foreign interests want to steal that from us.
    MITZY
    23rd May 2013
    5:14pm
    Mussitate:
    I worked for a firm in the 1980's and one day I had to go to the Corporate Affairs and purchase 70 $2 companies for a Japanese client of the firm I worked for. I then had to set them all up for prospective incoming Japanese with an Australian Director and Secretary and the other director being the prospective Japanese. I wonder how many other firms were doing likewise. I got so disgusted with this outcome I left and my boss just couldn't understand why.
    Wstaton
    23rd May 2013
    5:46pm
    Interestingly I agree with you Mussitate.

    The boat people are the minority problem the vast majority only want to escape from terrifying things yet there are other things that appear legitimate that have a by far worse effect on the normal people in Australia. I say normal because most of the richer parts of private enterprise are only interested in getting richer at the expense of us. This is should be considered abnormal because they are in the minority but wield disproportionate authority on events that affect all of us. I as a normal working person pay 30% plus of everything I earn in tax yet these monoliths scream if they have to pay more when they do not even pay anywhere near 30% on their earnings. I have nothing against companies earning, I don't even have anything against anyone being rich but when these riches are derived from screwing all of us then I have a problem. But I feel we are getting off topic here.
    Sylvia
    23rd May 2013
    3:52pm
    Religion should be kept separate from our Parliament, and our Laws should be for everyone,therefore many Muslims are getting access to our Country when taking the oath of allegience to Australia, it is under false pretences, so revoke them, and if they do not stand up and take a vow to uphold the laws of our land, then they have an alternative. Go to a Muslim country, it would stop so many problems.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    4:49pm
    How right you are Sylvia. Citizenship means you obey our Laws but Muslims come here and take it just to get family reunion and then demand Sharia Law

    Islam practices Taqiyyah = lying to infidels is good for cloaking activities.
    This of course means we cannot take their word for it any time.

    Hard to deal with this in a politically correct world led by the left who cant see the wood for the trees.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    5:11pm
    BigVal Yes the Koran permits anything killing, suicide bombing, lying and deception as long as it furthers the cause of Islam.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    8:59pm
    Ditto for the bible, to promote christianity. You have more in common than you think.

    Sylvia & BigVal

    Yes, of course a small handful of fanatical muslims can simply change our laws so that we have to do what THEY say. Now that is totally illogical and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever... please stop spinning bull dust and trying to frighten people. Muslims are a minority group who are mostly NON-fanatical and they are quite happy with our laws.... that is why many of them are here.

    There are fanatic christians that also think that everyone should abide by christian rules and laws and force THEIR religious views on us as well BUT do you talk about them.... NO you do not!!!

    Christians stop proper and correct EUTHANASIA laws being put in place so that when the time comes I am unable to die with dignity. It is not enough that THEY comply with their own religious views, they FORCE others to comply with their religious views and in some cases die horrific deaths when it is not necessary.

    So don't tell me about religion interfering in the laws of the land.

    Religion is personal and should NOT have anything to do with or any influence over the government or the laws of the land.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    9:21pm
    Mussitate

    Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

    Jesus never ever taught violence against another. Stop trying to distort the truth.

    Euthanasia is not just the concern of Christians, secular ethicists have sounded warnings as have many doctors. That blows that false argument out of the water.

    I could equally argue that the religion of atheism is trying to force its will on the law of the land. You atheists preach your "wants" constantly and expect those of us who know God to put up with it. Stop being so sanctimonious. Keep your religion personal. I get fed up with hearing it.
    Paddles
    23rd May 2013
    10:15pm
    Taskid
    I mean really, it is a bit rich for you to label Mussitate or anyone else for that matter as sanctimonious. Your overt religiosity more closely merits that appellation.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    10:29pm
    Paddles Look you cannot tell the difference between religion and being a follower of Jesus. Let me explain it to you or recommend you examine the topic I put up to try to explain the difference between religion and a relationship with Jesus. That may help you know the difference.

    I am not a clever, good, wonderful, devout or heaven forbid, religious, person. I just have a very wonderful relationship (which is available for everyone including Mussitate) with Jesus Christ the Living Lord. That is life, He said "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. I had never read the Bible, or been inside a church in decades the day I met Jesus. That my friend is not religion, that is relationship. Try Jesus then you will understand. His love it for everyone, as is His peace, His joy, His salvation and His life. The rest is religion, but not Him. :0)

    I am not and never have been a bit interested in religion. Mussitat however, is quite devout in his religion of atheism.
    sensible senior
    24th May 2013
    10:35am
    Islam is also a state it what they do get intoi politics and try to change it to shari law. we now have one muslim in parliament thanks to the greens. i have never seen so much violence in this country or other countries every time you turn on the t,v, its always bad why cant we have good news. wake up australia before it is too late if not already.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    4:37pm
    The facts - greatest cause of war and death = atheism.

    Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal162 acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …

    The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.

    The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.

    Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!'
    Conservapedia.

    23rd May 2013
    4:42pm
    The Lord Buddha was a man,a living breathing person just like us,we all have choices in life and we all make them,but Buddhism is not based on worshipping an unknown "being or Entity" somewhere in space,all other religions are based on blind faith and an allegiance to some entity,not Buddhism,Buddhism seems to be a whole lot of little things or ideas on how to conduct yourself in a civilised manner!

    Zzzz oops,I'm half awake!
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    4:52pm
    billyknows (sometimes)
    Buddhism is religion,Buddha was man, dead now. Atheism is religion. Atheists believe by "blind faith" that God does not exist. They have no foundation for such a belief system. They are devout, they have high priests, Dawkins et al, even have atheist "churches" in the US and UK.

    Difference between Christianity and religion, Jesus rose from the dead and He lives. He is a person who can be known. Millions across the planet are finding out how real He is - even Muslims, atheistic communists, Hindus, Buddhists. They turn from dead religion to the Living Saviour.
    Young Simmo
    23rd May 2013
    5:00pm
    Taskid, how come we still need a Jet Ski to walk on water and a Grape Vine to make wine? Also when somebody dies, their brain dies from lack of oxygen in about 5 or 10 minutes. So dying on a Friday and coming back on Monday does not add up.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    5:07pm
    A. Because you have no need to do it any other way.

    B. Because like you most people are on the run from their Maker - He is not out to impress atheists.

    C. You choose to try to be smarter than your Maker - you will wake up, but I hate to think where.

    Where are you miracles. You have none at all.
    Paddles
    23rd May 2013
    10:22pm
    Taskid
    I quote you ....."Atheists believe by "blind faith" that God does not exist. "
    I find that assertion interesting and even more interesting would be how you might differentiate between that and your adopted position. It is a matter to which I have given much thought over the years and I find myself short of the "blind faith" that is also necessary to support your position.
    That does not make me an atheist but it certainly makes me an agnostic!
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    10:39pm
    Paddles Ahhhhhh an agnostic - I think I visited that belief, or should that be non-belief, no it is the two way bet option, at some time of my wandering in the wilderness of unbelief.

    The atheist has no proof for his/her position. Atheism is a religion people embrace to show off to others they are so intellectual, so clever, so superior, they have no need of religion (but in clinging to atheism they embrace a religion). I tried that too as I wandered in the gloom of unbelief. Neither offer anything though do they. There is nothing there to answer lifes questions, why are we here, where do we go when we die, what is the purpose of life, etc etc.

    Nothing can fill that void every human has, whether they admit it or not. That nagging feeling - there has to be more.

    The only Person who can fill that void is Jesus. The day I met Him the void was filled, the uncertainty fled, the gloom lifted and I knew I had stepped into life. No church, no ministers/priests etc, never read the Bible - I repented of my sins asked Him to be my Lord and Saviour and wow life took on a whole new shine. I can recommend it to anyone. There are no religious rules and regulations, that is religion. It is so very simple, human pride prevents us from realising the best there is. If that is holding you back, don't let it. God said, "I put before you life and death, choose life." I did and I would not swap it for anything the world can offer.
    Paddles
    24th May 2013
    12:43pm
    Taskid

    I must admit that I find you and your take on life quite intriguing. How you can claim this personal connection with Jesus and, at the same time, disavow religiosity
    is quite beyond me. It seems like a contradiction in terms to me but then, as an agnostic, I await proof of many things.
    Given an appropriate thread, you may wish to describe your epiphany some time.
    Taskid
    24th May 2013
    4:55pm
    Paddles Yes it is difficult to explain to unbelievers - Jesus is a Person, He is alive, religion is dead, man-made - I will raise up the Religion vs Relationship with Jesus thread again so if you wish to read the difference on that you can, or if you wish to discuss it further you can. Everyone welcome.
    Taskid
    24th May 2013
    5:58pm
    Paddles I have put up an article which explains the difference between Christianity and religion in greater detail on the Religion vs Relationship with Jesus thread.
    Here are a couple of quotes from it:
    "the revelation of God is the abolition of religion." Karl Bath

    "Religion is unbelief. It is a concern of...godless man." Karl Bath


    "I want you to set aside the notion of the Christian religion, because it's a contradiction in terms. You won't learn anything positive about religion from Christianity, and if you look for Christianity in religion, you'll never find it. To be sure, Christianity uses the forms of religion, and, to be dismally honest, too many of its adherents act as if it were a religion; but it isn't one, and that's that. The church is not in the religion business; it is in the Gospel-proclaiming business. And the gospel is the good news that all man's fuss and feathers over his relationship with God is unnecessary because God, in the mystery of the Word who is Jesus, has gone and fixed it up Himself. So let that pass." R Capon

    That is why you will find that unbelievers/atheists/secularists on here talk about "religion" religiously, but you will never find me discussing religion. That has nothing to do with my Christian walk.

    \

    23rd May 2013
    5:00pm
    I see the video link posted by Drew here on this article has been removed by owner due of course to not wanting his or her head cut off do you think?
    MITZY
    23rd May 2013
    5:03pm
    I'm devastated by what happened in London yesterday. This form of attack on a soldier is so brutal beyond belief. What bravery from the women scout leader. Lets hope that this is a one-off case, but after seeing the recent American incident with a home made bomb and one of the perpetrators (very young and obviously influenced) being practically "home grown" American, this attack has similarities, i.e. a couple of young men with English accents, commiting an horrendous crime because "we" are killing Muslims in countries other than our own. We should be very worried about this type of terrorism because these unbalanced and indoctrinated people are walking along the street among us. How do we recognise them? They are not necessarily boat people, the majority of which are genuine refugees, but they are most probably "home grown" and influenced by somebody within their ranks who will say to them, go out and do this terrible crime, but are so cowardly as to not do it themselves.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    5:31pm
    Now you have a very small inkling of what it is like in countries where the west have supported financially and militarily, brutal and murderous Al Qaeda cells to become dictators of those countries. Not to mention the atrocities against the people of those countries whilst they were in the process of invading and taking over.

    It is not about muslims, it is about the brutal murdering and atrocities committed against their people by Al Qaeda cells which have been supported financially and militarily by the west.

    Just think about this:

    If Australia was invaded, our soils polluted with depleted uranium, infrastructure destroyed, homes destroyed, occupied by brutal militia and military forces, my baby and child brutally murdered, my partner brutally murdered, my mother blown to bits, my father never found, my brother brutally murdered, my sister raped and her child murdered........ I think it just may affect my perception of those committing these atrocities..... I don't think it would matter what religion I was (or wasn't),..... I think I would hate those that committed these atrocities against humanity.

    These REVENGE attacks have nothing to do with religion, they are simply because those of a certain religion are the recipients of inhumane crimes and atrocities acted upon them.

    Isn't it time we simply raised our voices to STOP further atrocities .......no matter what lies our governments tell us!
    MITZY
    23rd May 2013
    5:45pm
    Mussitate:
    You have made your points. I wasn't going into the depths of the problem, all I was doing was answering Drew's questions i.e. Is this form of attack more worrying than that of a faceless bomber? and Is Australia at risk?
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    6:26pm
    Eqyptian
    Tis okay, I was just expanding your comment, then got a tad carried away. You know how it is with getting on your 'high horse', hard to get off.
    COWBOY
    23rd May 2013
    5:11pm
    well said sylvia what are muslims out in this country for yes they stuffed their own up so they come to other countrys to stuff them up as well,shows you how week our leaders are in this country when we cant enter a bank etc with a bike helment on but they can go in fully covered, now they talking about we cant wear a hoody into a service station does that mean that muslim women have to take their cover off no because there is laws for us and laws for them, and what about when pulled over by police whats the use of asking for their lience they dont know whos under that cape and they cant be asked to remove it now do you think thats fair, they should not be driving with the head covering in the first place, so if they want to live by their rules and their law then simple go back.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    5:24pm
    WHO stuffed up their countries........ illegal invasions by the west who also supported financially and militarily, brutal and murderous Al Qaeda cells, to kill and slaughter the populations of these countries. The west got what they wanted but have installed brutal dictators (Al Qaeda cells) to rule these countries and force the population into fanatical religious fervour.
    Wstaton
    23rd May 2013
    5:56pm
    Quite right Mussitate when you also consider that the west supported Saddam Hussein and the Taliban when it was convenient.

    23rd May 2013
    5:20pm
    Australians are at a pinnacle of retaining or throwing away our democratic rights by allowing corporate (foreign) owned media to feed us with false information to further their own interests, financial wealth and power.

    Not Australians fault because we are pretty trusting and have yet to understand that our corporate (foreign) owned media are just that corporate owned (PRIVATE concerns who are only interested in furthering their own interests and lengthening and filling their own pockets and wielding an incredible amount of power over who leads this country-undermining our very democratic processes)..foreign - yes our laws were changed by Howard, foreign nationals now are able to control our media which means that not only do they look after their own interests, they look after their own countries interests and not ours or Australia's.

    Our corporate owned (foreign) media are even self regulated (they sit on their own disciplinary boards) so effectively can do what ever they want. The ABC and SBS are subjected to very, astute control to ensure unbiased and uninfluenced government control ...... why can't the corporate owned (foreign) media also come under these same controls to ensure unbiased and full reporting of ALL issues.

    Until Australia make corporate owned (foreign) media OPEN and ACCOUNTABLE and subject to review by independent bodies, then we will end up like Americans.

    Polarisation of 90% of the wealth into the hands of only 1% of the people which means that 99% have only 10% of the wealth which means that we will be under educated, no health care, living in poverty with rats and cockroaches, ever spreading ghettos, drugs out of control, crime an everyday occurrence, no infrastructure or services or future for your kids - in exchange we will be offered a flag to wave to show bulldust patriotism, after we place our hands over our hearts and pledge allegiance to a country totally controlled by corporate interests (new word for the USAs type of democracy - Corporatocracy - look up wikipedia).

    If you don't believe this statement, just look at the oppositions stance on the governments NBN. The government's NBN is a brilliant system that is being brought FREE to every Australian and will put Australia ahead of any other country in the world with IT and innovation, by having the best and most advanced NBN system in the world. The opposition need simply state they will continue with the government's NBN and they would win by a landslide.... so why are they saying they will bring in an alternative system which we will call the NFN which is so backward Canada is currently ripping it out and putting in the governments NBN, as is the UK and the USA and which will costs Australians up to $5000 per household to get connected to the speeds claimed are available under the substandard NFN. In fact Australians would be better off abandoning the NFN and save $29billion on this 'throw away item' and stay on our current system as the speeds will remain relatively similar although the reliability would decrease (yes that's right). Why would the opposition do this???? Could it have something to do with MURDOCH, an American citizen who will lose BIG TIME if the NBN is introduced by the government which is FREE to EVERY household in Australia and the total cost (because of the amazing speeds obtained) will generate income and be repaid by 2034. MURDOCH is a MEDIA mogul and likes to 'select' his marionettes and then get us to vote for whoever he tells us too. There is nothing subtle about Murdoch, he simply uses his US style media and bombast's any opposition and if he can find anything he makes it up.

    Oh! The victorian liberals will vote (this weekend) on recommendations that the ABC and SBS be sold off to private concerns, as they consider public media 'no longer relevant' - another Murdoch 'think tank' recommendation.

    Don't hand our democracy and freedom and thriving economy which emanates from the fact that this countries wealth is spread out more than any other country in the world between the people.

    Greedy corporate foreign interests want to steal that from us.
    MITZY
    23rd May 2013
    5:25pm
    All I can now add is there's a lot of hateful thoughts on this website today, no wonder we have terrorism, just about everyone sounds like a prospective terrorist! A Muslim would be in dread of their life commenting here!
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    5:55pm
    Egyptian, sadly, you are right. I too am guilty.

    Thank you for your little reminder.
    MITZY
    23rd May 2013
    5:36pm
    Just to add: My "Moniker" i.e. Egyptian has nothing to do with where I'm from. My Dad was in the Royal Air Force and my Grandfather in the Royal Navy and Grandad brought back heaps of artifacts from around the world. I have a couple of wooden carvings of Egyptians which are gorgeous as well as a lot of brass and jewellery from India. I thought I'd better clear the air with my "moniker" as just recently somebody made a remark that he/she thought this website was for Australians!
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    6:02pm
    Did they really say that!!

    I am really, really sorry that you have to explain that to this forum.

    If you reside in Australia, you are Australian and your origins do not matter!

    Many immigrants to Australia were convicts of which I am quite keen to tell people - adds huge character to Australia, in my opinion - but we are still all immigrants from various origins. Bewilders me to hear people say stupid things like we are Australians and those over there are not, when we are ALL immigrants.

    The only non-immigrants are Aborigines and look at how badly we treat this wonderful group of people.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    6:09pm
    Mussitate Every once in a while you make a good sane comment and I can agree with it. Wish you would do it more often.
    Wstaton
    23rd May 2013
    6:16pm
    Yep Mussitate, Most of our early settlers were considered convicts and exported to Australia being the end of the earth at the time. (maybe it still is) why were a great deal of them transported? because they stole a piece of bread because they were starving. Should we transport those who do this here now back to Britain?

    23rd May 2013
    5:57pm
    I think there are Muslims already posting here,this is a good healthy debate,it should happen more,nothing wrong with strong words and different opinions.

    Its not important wether we are Muslim or Christian or Agnostic,its what these two imbeciles did in London thats important now,the repercussions are going to be horrendous.not in the west but wherever the British soldiers are fighting overseas,I cant blame a bloke taking revenge for one of their mates having his head mercilessly hacked off in public.
    Find the Iman who indoctrinated these idiots and execute him,hang him from London Tower,then every western country allied to the Commonwealth should recind all citizenship to anyperson who entered their country throgh the backdoor.

    So these mongrels who were shot dead by the police think they are going to get 27 Virgins do they! HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. What sort of peabrain has a religion that tells you if you murder people, innocent people in such a vicious manner that you have Cosmic Sex with 27 Virgins??
    Do you have sex in Heaven?? Maybe? But they will not be in Heaven,but they will certainly know that their Imans teaching was a crock of s..t,so education is the way to go,but,how do you educate a someone who is so narrow minded that they only believe in one God.

    Terrible stuff. I'm Awake now so no more Z's (for now)
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    6:06pm
    billyknows zero about God. There is only one God - and He is not the moon spirit (Allah) that Islam worships. You are going to wake up big time one day I can promise you that.
    Sampancho
    23rd May 2013
    5:57pm
    Radical Islam has declared Jihad or holy war on the West and the sooner politically correct dopy liberals realise it the better.
    It's probably too late for the UK and most of Europe. Let's not make the same mistake here or our grandchildren will curse us for it.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    6:19pm
    Then why are the West supporting Al Qaeda financially and militarily? It wouldn't be for financial gain (oil) or control of strategic lands, would it?

    You watch your baby and children murdered, your partner raped and murdered, your mother blown to bits, your father simply disappeared, your sister murdered and your brother renditioned and tortured to death because of the West OR because of the West's financial and military support of Al Qaeda...... would you want to introduce the West to what it is like to witness first hand this sort of violence? That is what these youths were doing, they were screaming at us..... enough is enough...... stop these murderous incursions into other countries.

    YES, what was done was horrific and the people concerned need to be severely punished.
    BUT what about the people who authorised the same murderous incursions or supported Al Qaeda cells financially or militarily to rampage and slaughter INNOCENT people in other countries. Don't they too need to be punished.

    Isn't it time that we stood up and told our governments to stop these atrocities and stop supporting others who commit atrocities against humanity, undertaken in OUR names!

    Don't you think it is time to STOP all atrocities and inhuman acts of violence?

    23rd May 2013
    6:21pm
    While i'm at it,these "Terrorist?" attacks are individual or one or two people,they woke up yesterday and thought Oh,what shall we do today Abdul!, lets go cut a British soldiers head off with a machete Nabil,that sounds pretty cool said Abdul to Nabil,would you like a cup of coffee before we go out,yes why not,hey mate its raining outside shall we go later,yes why not,dont want to catch a cold do we!

    Thats how it goes,its that cold and unempathic,its that easy to kill another human being and think nothing of it.Very sad,
    England should close every Mosque in the British Isles and turn them into schools for dead British soldiers children,whack a barbie in for bacon and eggs for breakfast and put a big Cross on top of the Dome,yes that will do it,for sure.
    I'd hate to be a Muslim in England right now,bet they won't be marching down the street soon telling everyone how Islammed they are.HaHaHa,you reap what you sow Abdul and Nabil!
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    6:41pm
    Okay.... so it is alright for the UK and USA to murder and rampage other countries, either directly or through an Al Qaeda cell, so that they can control the oil or strategic land and irrespective of the numbers of INNOCENT babies, children, women and men are slaughtered, the poisoning of their land and water with depleted uranium, the destruction of their infrastructure and homes, the installation of barbaric religious extremists (Al Qaeda) as dictators.

    To further this carnage you recommend that we further desecrate anything that relates to the lands that the West has (directly or indirectly) reaped murder and havoc upon.

    Now, that sounds as if it will do the trick and stop further retaliation or revenge. Good one billyknows (nothing..... it appears).

    23rd May 2013
    6:35pm
    Well Taskid,yes there is only one God for all of us and his name is? "God,Allah,Elohim,its all the same mate,one God for all of us,I believe when a Muslim dies he will meet Allah,when a Christian dies he will meet Jesus,we all have the same God but we all know Him/It differently.
    If a person tells me his religion is called "Jambo Jimba" and he worships a God/Diety called "Malymoola" then i would accept that,I'd think he was a nut job,but so am I,but funnily enough I think we will end up in the same place.
    Ever wonder "why are we here,what is this place?" well according to the Buddhists we are born to learn just two things:- Compassion and how to get along with others,I always thought that it sounded pretty good,feasible even.Why else we here?

    Zzzzzzzz I'm asleep again!
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    6:39pm
    billyknows zero
    Well you really do not know anything at all. You believe in fairy stories. You gonna meet Santa or the Tooth Fairy??

    I think you are in for an awful shock.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    6:45pm
    Santa was REAL Taskid, although Coca Cola changed the colour of his suit from green to red. Now the Tooth Fairy... well if you fully believe and have faith in the Tooth Fairy, it must be real.... doesn't it!
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    7:01pm
    Well Mussitate far be it from me to cast aspersions on your faith, it has to be in something I guess. If you don't believe something, you will believe anything the saying goes. :0) 'Spose you are going to tell me the Easter Bunny is real.............................???
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    7:46pm
    billythinksheknows
    Here is one of those who found Budhism wanting.

    http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aiia/aiia-buddhism-harris.html
    Sampancho
    23rd May 2013
    6:41pm
    I'm with you Billyknows. Enoch Powell got it dead right. He should be given a posthumous state funeral and the repatriation of Islamic nutters from the UK should begin immediately.
    There have been over 20000 terrorist attacks by these people since 9/11.
    I'm just sorry the police in London didn't shoot to kill. British taxpayers are going to have to pay for the medical care, trial and incarceration of these vermin.
    Mussitate. Don't try to justify the slaughter of this poor soldier. It won't wash.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    6:51pm
    Yes, I can understand how you think. One person is a lot, lot more important than hundreds of thousands of those 'other' innocents, murdered by the West or their allegiances to Al Qaeda.

    Stop the carnage overseas and you wouldn't have lost this one poor soldier.

    Yes, punish severely those responsible BUT also stop your government from perpetuating crimes against humanity OR you too are to blame for the death of that poor soldier and more, if it continues.
    Paddles
    23rd May 2013
    10:35pm
    Mussitate
    Sounds a bit like you are working both sides of the street with your last post. Either their actions were justified or not.

    23rd May 2013
    7:43pm
    Mussitate,every time some Iman in Sydney opens his big gob and tells law abiding Australians whose taxes pay his way here to abide by Sharia Law now because you will get it later, then we burr up,then the big fixer comes out of the woodwork to pacify us (Kayser Trad)and talks straight out lies to cover for them,hes a PR man is Trad,thats his only function in life,to smooth things over for that bludging mongrel Sheik Hilaly,how dare these scum come to this or any country,take advantage of the social security system and tell us how to live.
    GET REAL MATE,its all Bu.....t and you are just like them by the sounds of it!
    Theres an old Australian saying mate and it goes like this,"YOU CANT BUL....IT ANOTHER BUL....TTER,you can butter it up all you like but not all Australians are stupid do gooders,some of us know the difference between SH.T AND CLAY.
    Stop treating us like idiots,we are all onto what is going on,we are not the dumd SKIPS that you call us mate,some of us if not 95% of Australians know mate,we are wise to it>
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    8:43pm
    Your avatar sports the UK flag, why should we take notice of you, you obviously support a nation that undertakes and supports the murder of INNOCENT people and then cries crocodile tears when one of their own is killed out of revenge and retribution. Only the people of the UK really care about the lone soldier, the government are just getting political mileage out of it, perfect for them!

    You believe the corporate (foreign) owned media because you want to and don't want to take any responsibility for what your preferred nation does and want to share your intolerance with others to justify your racism.
    The corporate (foreign) owned media like people like you who they direct their promotion of racism and they select a random muslim fanatic and promote him as representing the whole which is like selecting you and stating that you represent the whole. Laudable yes, but there you go, that's our corporate (foreign) owned media for you. There are many christian fanatics that promote hate but we never see any of them on the media telling us they represent the rest of us..... no, that wouldn't promote racism and descent would it.

    Sorry but if you believe our corporate (foreign) owned media so emphatically, you ARE somewhat inane.

    The UK have, for decades, allowed jewish clergy to mediate over civil issues IF the people agree to this process and apparently they are going to allow the same for muslim clergy to do the same. Australia does not have any such specific religious mediation rights, although we do have mediation IF people agree to this process for civil issues and matters but it is a general thing and the mediation does not always bind people legally.

    Now tell me how a handful of fanatic over the top muslims are going to change Australian laws. All smoke and mirrors created by our wonderful corporate (foreign) owned media, to get you all worked up and racist.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    7:49pm
    billyknowabit

    Are those words in capitals the holy words of your religion???
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    7:59pm
    They are,i only have one God,ME.
    I worship myself,I'm made in God's image,and i will not tolerate anyone telling me that Muslims in Australia are going to Govern me ever especially under their caveman Sharia Law,its not going to happen mate.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    8:12pm
    billy
    Oh dear you as god - now that is scary - a god so little - which "god's" image are you made in, certainly not the God I know. I think it is more like your god is made in your image. Tiny, no power, minute, need a microscope to find him/her.

    23rd May 2013
    8:02pm
    billyknowabit eh!

    No worries taschild....cute
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    8:04pm
    billywillfindoutoneday
    Taschild I like it. Child of the Living God - this side of eternity. Gonna miss you guys.
    davewatto
    23rd May 2013
    8:53pm
    The majority of Muslims are not terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are Muslim.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    9:13pm
    WRONG sorry. The West has inflicted more terrorism on muslim nations than muslims have inflicted on the West.

    All you need to look at is Iraq, that was a supreme act of terrorism, simply to gain access to and control of the oil. It was an ILLEGAL INVASION of another country with out UN sanction and many, many countries opposition.

    Hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT lives were lost..... babies, children, women and men; land and water poisoned with depleted uranium; infrastructure destroyed; homes bombed and destroyed; and rendition and authorised torture sanctioned by the West.

    What! this is NOT terrorism.

    We can go back further to Vietnam.... chemical weapons were used, for goodness sake, besides the bombing and slaughter of millions of innocents.

    Go forward to after Iraq and look at Libya where Al Qaeda cells were financed and given military assistance by the West to slaughter untold civilian innocents and take over a country, secure the oil and remove their gold bullion which was substantial. The USA also bombed Libya's water pipeline and pipeline factory prior to Al Qaeda taking over the push ... this was an official act of war by the USA.

    Now we have Syria, a vitally strategic country being attacked by an Al Qaeda cell FULLY and OPENLY supported by the West with finance and military weapons. Thousands upon thousands of innocents have been slaughtered, many children and women.

    IF THESE ACTS ARE NOT THE ACTS OF TERRORISM.... nothing is!!!!!!!!!
    marg5au
    23rd May 2013
    8:59pm
    After trying to get through all these remarks, all I can say is that the people making them are a fine example, of why religion starts wars, peace, love and respect, would save a lot of life.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    9:07pm
    Religion never started a war that is nonsense. Man started every war that has ever been. He never seems to be short of an excuse.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    9:24pm
    Ah! not technically true Taskid, most of the wars may have been for power or greed or whatever but many of those seeking more power and wealth were religious concerns. Even spreading the word of their particular god throughout the land was a way of creating more power and wealth..... as they took over more and more countries, they gained more power and more wealth.

    But it is alright because we know that your particular Mid West American christian religion is not a religion and is the only correct religion and preaches the only true religion and has the only true god with his son jesus as the guiding light.

    Oh! Judaism is okay but Islamism is not - that one is particularly weird.... wasn't it the jewish people that got jesus put on the cross and don't believe in jesus as the son of god or even recognise him as anything but a person? Don't the muslims actually recognise jesus but think he is a prophet rather than the son of god? I would have thought the latter would be preferable to the former but gee whiz, what would I know.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    9:31pm
    Mussitate I know you are a devout atheist, Richard Dawkins would be proud of you.

    You rave about mid-west US - are you ok??? You really come up with some delusional stuff.

    No good talking to a devout Atheist, you have been so brain-washed. You actually do believe the nonsense you write. Those of the Atheist religion like to feel they are superior I know. Foolishness of the perishing..............
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    9:42pm
    You wouldn't care to elucidate the preference for Judaism over Islamism or explain why "even spreading the word of their particular god throughout the land was a way of creating more power and wealth..... as they took over more and more countries, they gained more power and more wealth" is not true.

    Brainwashed.... that's rich coming from you but not really a concern. Mainly due to it being a rather ridiculous statement because it is a lack of brainwash that represents atheism.

    But to the other aspect relating to superiority, how disgusting to lay that sort of rubbish on me. I have an opinion but if I express it I am acting as if I am superior. If you express your opinion strongly and continually you are....... what?..... acting inferior?

    All people have opinions and express them differently but that doesn't make anyone superior or inferior. How rude of you to suggest otherwise.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    9:44pm
    Sorry, Marg5au

    I meant to comment before...... I agree full heartedly. A little bit of respect and love would go a long way.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    9:50pm
    Mussitate. Atheists are so transparent. You try to pretend your religion is the only true one. You of course are brainwashed, just lack the insight to see it.

    You push your religion in here relentlessly. No one else has any truth, only Mussitate.

    Yes my friend you do come over as having a superior attitude. :0) No worries I am sure there is some treatment for it. Respect, love - boy that is dangerous thinking for an atheist. Never heard Dawkins mention them. Jesus does though. :0)

    23rd May 2013
    9:18pm
    Have you ever wondered what happens to the passports of the boat people,they handover their genuine one to the people smugglers,what do they do with them? they are real documents not the fakes the Australian authorities get handed to them.

    Maybe the real terrorists get their mits on them,maybe thats what its all about,not just money for smuggling but its the genuine passports that they want.Mmmmmmmmm
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2013
    9:33pm
    They have.... Israel's Mossad used jewish Australians' passports to commit crimes, apparently without those Australians' knowledge. The Israelis also kept an Australian in a high tech security prison cell until word somehow got out and the Australian mysteriously was able to kill himself in a cell with 24/7 video surveillance.

    23rd May 2013
    10:08pm
    Yes I watched the program,but any secret government agency is very dangerous,Mossad especially are very good at it also the French "Rainbow Warrior NZ" all those years ago.
    Lets not forget MI5 and the Yanks,they are all plying their dirty business around the globe,supposedly so i can sleep safe at night,yeh right,i only sleep safe because i have a 410. Harrington & Richardson Shotgun under my bed,i feel pretty relaxed at night.

    23rd May 2013
    10:33pm
    Years ago in the early 1980's I heard about a young child who was trapped in a well in the USA. They spent all (my) night getting him out of that well, and could I go to sleep before they had him safe? No! I thought to myself, "I really didn't need to know about this". At some level I realised that what is happening in the world that is beyond my control, will only vicariously traumatise me if I hear about it. Since then we have been more exposed to 'world happenings' on every level via our technologies. It has led me to think that humankind is full of madness and those of us that are not yet mad -are we going mad? Are we being over exposed to madness in the world and are we reacting in our own mad self protective ways?

    Personally I have little time for fundamental religions (or any religions really), but putting that aside, the world is full of mad people doing mad things. When we are exposed to this something happens to us. We can feel sickened with fear and horrified by the capabilities of others to violently express their crazy reasoning. Desire for control is driven by fear so a common response is to scream for some form of control so that we can feel safe eg "protect our borders" etc. but for every one person who goes to violent extremes there are thousands who just try to live normal lives. This is on every level - for every one murderer there are hundreds of thousands non murderers. We need to keep perspective or we too become mad with fearful reactionary thinking. We are all becoming too (over?) exposed to the mad things happening in the world and it is possibly having a negative effect on all of us.
    Paddles
    23rd May 2013
    10:49pm
    Robiconda

    I assume that this thread is approaching its end and we have survived Taskid's god bothering, Mussitate's fulminations and lectures and Billy's down to earth input so it is nice and appropriate to conclude with your rational, thoughtful and well expressed contribution. Thank you!
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    10:58pm
    Paddles God's people can never bother Him, it is those of you He also created running away from His love that bothers Him. Rest well, thanks for the chat.
    catsahoy
    23rd May 2013
    10:35pm
    well i see taskid and her jesus are back, what can one say that she wont bring her love of jesus into it, it is ridiculas to try and say anything on these forums without taskid and jesus comong into it,
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    10:41pm
    Bless you my friend.
    Young Simmo
    23rd May 2013
    10:51pm
    OK 610 comments and 305 of them by Taskid. Too boring for me, time to untick this one. She obviously doesn't read her bible as she spends all day on her puter, must be about 100 and lonely.
    Taskid
    23rd May 2013
    11:01pm
    young simmo Never lonely, never bored. Heard of multiskilling?? Impossible for men I know, you would be amazed how many things I do apart from a quick note in here from time to time. Yes untick, you have not added much of interest really. :0)
    Sea Dog
    23rd May 2013
    11:25pm
    Too many idiot fanatics claim their vile actions to be directed from the scriptures ie "an eye for an eye" BUT the full quotation reads "you have heard an eye for an eye, but vengence is mine sayeth the Lord".

    As far as Britain as a nation is concerned I have two words "Enoch Powell" Go read what he said about immigation for which he was abused as a racist and pilloried around the world.
    So shall you reap.
    Anonymous
    24th May 2013
    7:50am
    Too right Sea Dog,
    Enoch was a visionary,i was born in Liverpool England and moved here in 1968,to Sydney,I have never taken Australian citizenship,have never held a passport and have not left Australia since i arrived,as we left England the invasion was just starting,all the bus conductors in Liverpool were Pakistani and Enoch Powell was into the Government for the rent and he was condemned for it.
    He was right,he was spot on and if Australia does not wake up from their sleep then only God can help them.
    Read the little poster above my name,it states " IF YOU WONT DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS,DONT COMPLAIN WHEN YOU LOSE THEM"

    It says it all,we do not have any more time for complacency!
    Zzzzzzzzz

    24th May 2013
    7:41am
    Hello,Zzzzzzzz here again and the spin doctors/PR men are at it again,especially this idiot from Sydney:-
    Islam condemned the use of violence, Muslims Australia's Keysar Trad said.

    "It takes a sick and twisted mind to hack another person with a meat cleaver," he said.

    "Islam condemns and deplores this violence, as do I, as does every Australian Muslim."


    Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/aussie-muslims-condemn-london-attack/story-e6frfku9-1226649486410#ixzz2U9b9JlJz

    This bloke makes me wanna puke,every time Sheik "shake your booty" Hilaly spits out his hatred of the Australian way of life,condemns Australian women whilst all the time living off the largesse of WASP ( White Anglo Saxon Protestants) taxpayers and their monkey headed mate Benbrika spitting out his hatred while living off the taxpayer for 18 years and fathering seven little terrorists (potential) and all on the Rock and Roll (Dole)
    Why do we feed these lowlife scum,send em packing Carrot Top.

    I wanna go to sleep again but i cant Zzz Zzz Zzz

    24th May 2013
    7:57am
    When PR man Kayser Trad states "It takes a sick and twisted mind to hack another person with a meat cleaver" what was he really saying? Was he really telling us how the Muslim Koran Indoctrinated mind works?
    I think so,its a very subtle reminder to WASP'S to beware,he loves it when WASP'S get hacked to death for doing their job,its the taxes that these defenders of domocracy pay that supports Trad and his scumbag mates who feed off the system.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzz
    Anonymous
    24th May 2013
    8:05am
    That is my last input on this thread.

    God Help us All,I mean that too,only God can help us because the Australian Majority has to Kow-Tow to these scumbag Muslim Leaches,Carrot Top should go back to Wales,shes no good here.

    Hooroo Zzzzzzzz
    Taskid
    24th May 2013
    8:18am
    Billy Yes you speak the truth in that, "only God can help us" - problem is so few are asking for His help. "You have not because you ask not."
    BD
    24th May 2013
    8:12am
    Just to echo the very good comments by Robiconda, Sea Dog and Billy Knows.....Enoch P, was definitely a prophet!!!

    Despite all the rhetoric about "polictical correctness" and the like, both the UK and Australia (and probably a lot more places) have really gone a little too far in welcoming multi-culturalism.

    I don't mind one bit mixing with people who have respect and are law abiding, but I have absolute disgust for the many who treat "civilised societies", (who try to help them), with a complete lack of respect and think they can do just what they like, even in the case recently on Wed in the UK, resorting to cold blooded murder!!!

    It's time we got really tough with these LOW LIVES, automatic life sentences and deportation, if their crimes proven beyond doubt!!. We have ALL become so complacent that we need to get back to some real discipline, if people really can't manage their lives in a peaceful and sane manner, then they should be simply removed from society, whatever that would mean, maybe send them all to a desert island and don't report anything........part of the problem is that media reports even "when a fly is killed" these days..........we don't need to know it all and we are indeed really the worse for it, as Robiconda also said!!
    Taskid
    24th May 2013
    8:52am
    I find it extraordinary that people in this forum who rail against what the terrorists did in London want to visit the some form of annihilation on those they percieve to be the "problem" - doesn't this sound like the same mentality??

    "I do not want you around, disappear even if that means you have to die." People need to think before they type in here what they wish on others. Hate and intolerance only beget more of the same.
    Anonymous
    24th May 2013
    5:23pm
    Taskid

    "I find it extraordinary that people in this forum who rail against what the terrorists did in London want to visit the some form of annihilation on those they percieve to be the "problem" - doesn't this sound like the same mentality?? .....Hate and intolerance only beget more of the same."

    Very, very well said Taskid!!

    Sea Dog, billyknows (nothing), BD and toot2000...etc, appear to be themselves EXTREMISTS - as their comments have come AFTER explanations that the west have waged terror against countries and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people (non combatants). They take no notice of the fact that if they stood up and stopped their governments from committing atrocities in their name, that the soldier may be alive today.

    Contrary to dear Paddles statement above.... it is quite possible to be horrified and angry at the murder of a lone soldier in the UK AND be totally disgusted and angry at governments who authorise rendition/torture and murder hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT (non-combatant) people, simply to gain financial and strategic advantage.

    I will leave you with an image that may help you consider the mass murdering of innocents.... Take the 600,000 (plus) bodies of these innocents and lay them out side by side THE BODIES WOULD EXTEND FOR 200, yes, 200 KILOMETRES....can you NOW understand how many people were slaughtered and WHY some people may seek revenge/retaliation. Then consider that your own family was amongst those bodies and think about how you would feel about that! Especially, Sea Dog, billyknows, BD and toot2000.

    Maybe now you will start shouting for a stop to this carnage.
    sensible senior
    24th May 2013
    10:41am
    I have a couple living in one the flats where i am and they say they are buddhist . we were talking about australian law and i asked them do they believe in shari law and they said yes and what comes first aust. law or shari and they said shairi. the chap was a student who married a part aboriginal woman who has now become buddhist. they seem like nice people who who knows what will happen if they are pushed .
    toot2000
    24th May 2013
    1:06pm
    As much as the politically correct would like to pass a law that says we must not be mean to Muslims, it wouldn't work, we don't like them and that's that. And every new blood-thirsty act of violence inflicted on peace-loving host nations by the religion of peace, only compounds that view. If only we could wind back the clock.
    sensible senior
    24th May 2013
    1:20pm
    One of the two suspected islamists accused of hacking a british soldier to death in london was a convert who regularly attended sermons by banned islamist preacher omar bahri.. correct me if i am wrong was he invited to the islam convention in melbourne at the showground this year.

    24th May 2013
    3:07pm
    See if this link works sensible senior
    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/535.htm
    Anonymous
    24th May 2013
    3:11pm
    You have to copy and paste in a new window sensible senior,you were right too,his name is:- Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad,just another scumbag,probably a poofter too,even his name makes you want to vomit.

    Do you like that Taschild
    Taskid
    24th May 2013
    4:47pm
    billy and the others
    All I said was if you promote hate and talk about killing and other violent things - you are no different from those men who did that vile thing in London. It is the same spirit in both places. All you do is create more hate. Nothing to boast about, nothing Australian about that unless my nation has descended even deeper into darkness from where it was last time I looked. Hate from Australians is no different than hate from Islamists. Same thing.
    Anonymous
    24th May 2013
    5:30pm
    Taskid
    You are right, billyknows (nothing) sounds as if he has had too much to drink and is just being a loud mouth chucklehead. I am sure when he sobers up he will be fine. Well, lets hope so!

    24th May 2013
    3:20pm
    Do you know you can buy a drink called the Bin Laden-2 shots and a splash of water.

    HaHaHa.

    24th May 2013
    5:26pm
    Taskid

    "I find it extraordinary that people in this forum who rail against what the terrorists did in London want to visit the some form of annihilation on those they percieve to be the "problem" - doesn't this sound like the same mentality?? .....Hate and intolerance only beget more of the same."

    Very, very well said Taskid!!

    Sea Dog, billyknows (nothing), BD and toot2000...etc, appear to be themselves EXTREMISTS - as their comments have come AFTER explanations that the west have waged terror against countries and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of innocent people (non combatants). They take no notice of the fact that if they stood up and stopped their governments from committing atrocities in their name, that the soldier may be alive today.

    Contrary to dear Paddles statement above.... it is quite possible to be horrified and angry at the murder of a lone soldier in the UK AND be totally disgusted and angry at governments who authorise rendition/torture and murder hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT (non-combatant) people, simply to gain financial and strategic advantage.

    I will leave you with an image that may help you consider the mass murdering of innocents.... Take the 600,000 (plus) bodies of these innocents and lay them out side by side THE BODIES WOULD EXTEND FOR 200, yes, 200 KILOMETRES....can you NOW understand how many people were slaughtered and WHY some people may seek revenge/retaliation. Then consider that your own family was amongst those bodies and think about how you would feel about that! Especially, Sea Dog, billyknows, BD and toot2000.

    Maybe now you will start shouting for a stop to this carnage.
    puggle
    24th May 2013
    5:54pm
    Of course we will have problems with these misfits in the future in Australia. These people,meaning muslims and imported freeloaders, get here and multiply like rabbits and its their
    dole bludging offsprings that want to get the attention.
    No we can't get rid of them all but a few at a time will help at least.
    Taskid
    24th May 2013
    6:30pm
    Puggles I guess if any of us found ourselves suddenly (and often violently) having to flee our country and seek refuge in a foreign one would also be misfits. There but for the grace of God go I. It does not do to get too arrogant.
    Abby
    24th May 2013
    6:51pm
    We have some 200 Australian Muslims training in Jihad and are fighting the war in Syria - apparently a couple of them got killed a couple of days ago.

    24th May 2013
    8:40pm
    Hey Mussitate I'm a teetotaler and do not use any drugs except prescribed medicine,everything that comes out of my mouth i will back up anytime,I dont need to hide behind a door or use a knife,not on scumbag muslim terrorists,and i know enough to see a vicious attack on an unarmed man,2 onto 1,what a couple of heroes they are,wait until they get put in the mincer,the British inmates will skin them alive,but they will ask for protective custody like a couple of "little girls blouses"

    And as for you Taschild have you lived in a cave all your life or do you just choose not to see reality,its in front of your eyes on TV everyday mate,2 hero muslim reprobates killing an innocent man for Gods sake,what dont you people see,its a big con these happy little muslims feed to people like you,I mean its a no brainer,isent it,wouldent like that scum living next to me,ever.They said it "an eye for an eye" so now they get British Jailhouse Justice,i hope it stings like hell,their mothers should be slapped for producing garbage kie that.

    Wake up,you are all asleep.You know Zzzzzzzzzzz Asleep.

    24th May 2013
    8:55pm
    Hey mussitate 200 kilometres of dead scum is pretty tolerable to me!
    even 2000 kilometres would only be 0.00000001% of em,I'm not going to miss em,they need to be sterilised if you ask me,and if they were white christians who commited such an act then same applies,but not a soldier whose job description states that he goes where his boss sends him and does as he is told,thats Discipline mate,thats the difference between a soldier/army and a terrorist/rabble,no discipline you get a terrorist with the IQ of a peanut,just a brain dead sheep really,wake up mate,this is Australia for Australians no matter what race or creed they are if they take an oath of alliegance to the Head of State to get Citizenship then abide by it,dont reneg and then blame the bloody Koran or Mohammed,its neither of them its a personal choice to not fit in.
    Give me a break will ya,you cant be that brainwashed surely.

    Oh go back to sleep Zzzzzzzzzzz
    sensible senior
    25th May 2013
    10:20am
    I have just read on phophecy news that France has endorsed 150 new mosques projects including a mega mosque in Paris. Hollande also promised to grant amenesty to all 400,000 illegal muslims immigrants and modify the law so non citizen muslim residents can vote in the municipal elections in 2014. The saudi arabia based muslim world league is helping finance the construction of 200 new new mosques. The french council of the muslim faith wants to eventually double the 2500 mosques in the country. how long is it before australia is taken over.
    aquatrek
    25th May 2013
    10:47am
    So much misinformation and yet some very accurate information on here. That is totally discounting anything relating to the horses head rants.

    Islam attempted twice to overthrow the world as it was known at the times. Once in Spain and the second in Turkey. Now the ideology is infiltrating the western democracies because they have been allowed to via immigration by all of the governments over time. Much of that influx has been due to refugees fleeing their own countries internal conflicts - especially in Africa. The Mediterranean countries fight a daily battle with asylum seekers. The EU and the UK and even countries like Sweden are struggling to accommodate those that have been allowed in. Since abolition of the Oz 'white policy' Islam has started the same infiltration process here.

    There own conflicts are due to the split of Sunnite and Shiism. Throw in the Taliban, Mussitates favourite Al Qaeda etc. Yet Afghanistan is quite the enigma - wars fought there by major powers. UK, Russia, USA, UN etc. The main crop grown, besides life staples, is opium. No attempt by anyone to alter that. Somehow the arms are bought and supplies maintained. Currently Russia supplies Syria with armaments in its civil war. Weird stuff. I am not supplying answers - just postulating.

    25th May 2013
    11:06am
    Thats bad news SS,but it wont happen here,never,Australians will wake up from their sleep one day and realise that Muslims are only loyal to themselves,they care nothing for anyone else.
    The musician Joe Walsh had it right with his 70's LP "You Cant Argue With A Sick Mind"
    We are not the French or the Dutch,they showed what complacency is during the Second World War,both countries capitulated to Germany then come crying to the British when they lost their Rights,it took a tiny little Island to stop the Germans,and this little Island was on its own,but the other Commonwealth Countries hooked in to help in the form of the ANZAC's.
    Little has changed the French and Dutch are still weak and asleep,they have learned nothing from the past,they are caving in again without a fight and the British and its Commonwealth will have to bail them out again.
    Australia needs to nip this in the bud now,not later,these Muslims already here should be very carefull how far they push the Australian public,they too are asleep,they are the minority but only because we have Carrot Top running things from Canberra,a person with nil experience of the average Australian grafting on the coalface,These Muslims who think they can tell the Government what to do are dealing with a weak Leader,not a leader voted in by the Australian people but a ring-in,a phoney,the Australian people are not weak and for all your threats and vitriol aimed at us its water off a ducks back,you are losing ground all over the World and you cant win with words so you do it by murder,a dogs way,a mongrels way.
    I say get rid of you if you will not fit into Australian society,you took an oath of allegiance to our flay and you did it to get benefits and to carry on your hate campaign against a people who just wish a quiet existence with the rest of the world.
    Australia has proved itself in 2 World Wars,where was Afghanistan then??
    We have already fought SCUM and won,a long protracted battle but we won,you are just starting out,thats why you are so scared,you know you can not take Australia and the Commonwealth on face to face,we are superior to you,but you too can have what we have and cherish- FREEDOM,you cant take it, you have to earn it,you are still "babes in arms" you will not get ahead in this country or any other Western country by sitting on the DOLE,you have to work,pay taxes and assimilate,the migrants who arrived here Post WW2,all worked hard to earn a better life, not come in through the back door and "Suck Us Dry"
    So,get off your Dole Bludging Backsides,stop having large families unless you have a Full Time job,if you cant get work then dont have kids,put an Elasic band around it,and Fit IN,to your very generous adopted country,you have ruined your own homelands and it will not happen in Australia,never,wake up and Man Up, you will not win against Australia and its people,you cannot live in a civilised society,thats why you left your homes,you were not willing to defend your rights,your women are harder and tougher than the men (if thats what you call a dole bludger)
    That little 14 year old girl who stood up to the bloody Taliban and got shot in the head for her troubles,well,that is what you so called MEN should aspire to,i wish i had a daughter like her,what a standout she is,and they dident kill her,she is alive and well in Englang,what a heroic thing to do,aspire to be like her and Australia will welcome you with open arms,Enough!

    Stop Sleeping Zzzzzzzzzz Wake Up.
    toot2000
    25th May 2013
    11:19am
    Mussitate, you must be from another planet if you think it's our fault these two animals hacked an unarmed man to death in broad daylight. You've picked the wrong side.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    11:52am
    I doubt if Islam wished to take Australia we would have a hope. We have the largest Muslim population to our North.

    Billydoesn'tknow much You are wrong about the Dutch. I don't think you know too many.

    25th May 2013
    12:17pm
    TasChild,Billy knows what he knows!
    I dont know everything but I know what I know,the Dutch Capitulated mate,In 1940 when Germany invaded the Netherlands,the Dutch Army surrendered (Capitulated) after one week,I dont blame them really,the German Army was a big powerfull War Machine,but they capitulated,so did France,England and its Allies never capitulated,we would all be speaking German if they did,get your facts right mate.
    Sorry TasChild but you are wrong,the only part not included in the agreement was Zeeland which was under French control.
    Anonymous
    25th May 2013
    12:34pm
    Tas(newborn baby)kid,France capitulated after 6 weeks of fighting,the terms of surrender were signed at Compiegne at the exact same spot where Germany surrendered in 1918 at 11am on 11th November (Armistice Day),Hitlers revenge was now complete,he had France surrender at the same place,Hitler thought that doing it there would stop his feelings of humiliation (weakness) the German people felt after they surrendered 22 years earlier.
    You will not beat me on history mate,and i dont need google to research it neither,I already know it.
    Get your facts right mate.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzz wake up!
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    12:48pm
    Billyallknows

    I was speaking of the Dutch not the French - two different countries. My Dutch friends lived the history so I think they would have a fair handle on what happened in their country.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    12:48pm
    Billyallknows

    I was speaking of the Dutch not the French - two different countries. My Dutch friends lived the history so I think they would have a fair handle on what happened in their country.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    12:22pm
    With the countries you mentioned Hitler just had to march across a border, England had the advantage of being an island. Also King George was humble man he publicly called on his people to go on their knees and pray to Almighty God - that made the difference. I have friends who went through that time in Holland, you have no idea what it was like. Australia was shielded from that horror to a large extent.

    25th May 2013
    12:36pm
    God had nothing to do with it,there is one God for all of us,God likes the underdog and God likes poor people thats why he made so many of us.
    Anonymous
    25th May 2013
    12:47pm
    I was born in Liverpool England in 1953,my father was a ships cook in the Merchant Navy,all his ships were troopships,he was torpedoed and Stuka Dive bombed on numerous occasions,he was 16 years old when WW2 started,I stll remember in the 50's having to eat bread and dripping and the cold lino floor in winter with no heating,everyone was in the same boat,Liverpool was flattened in WW2,but the British Bulldog fighting spirit shone through,later in the war the conquered countries including Holland,France and Poland and all the others decided to resist,thats when they come alive,just like Australia has to now,stand up and be counted or "Capitulate"
    We wont capitulate,Australia 1000- Muslims 0, thats the score for right and wrong,we win,hands down.
    My father was on a Dutch troopship,you should look it up on the WW2 archives mate,MV Costa Rica,it was sunk during the evacuation of Crete,no lives lost thanks to the heroic efforts of the crew on HMS Hereward.
    Get you history right mate,whenever there is conflict God is always on the Winning Side,God does not lose.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    1:19pm
    billydoesnotknowGod
    You may have a little history but you are way out on God. God only listens to His people who call on Him. The wails of secularists do not get further than the ceiling.
    toot2000
    25th May 2013
    12:53pm
    The Dutch have admitted that multiculturalism doesn’t work and in order to preserve their culture, Muslims wanting to immigrate to Holland must pass two exams. They must prove they can speak the Dutch language and also pass an exam about Dutch society and values.
    Children of Muslims in Holland are becoming a problem, as they are here. Although they become fluent in Dutch, because they don’t fit in, they are not readily accepted and often turn to crime.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    1:17pm
    toot2000 Yes sadly because of increased secularism Holland has become weakened as is Australia. If you have nothing better to offer the Muslim well they have no where to go.
    Anonymous
    25th May 2013
    2:40pm
    Too right toot,its staring everyone in the face,it is a problem now and will always be,and the muslims are not wanted anywhere that has a civilised community taskid,they ruin their own countries with sectarian violence and then when the Taliban step in with Sharia Law ( the bastardised version) they compound and say oh,this is pretty heavy duty stuff,we'd better find another country to annihalate with our subversive ways,they reap what they sow,the Taliban do not have a decent bone in their collective body,they are thugs of the worst kind,standover men with little penis's,why dont you and mussitate go to Afgnanistan and tell the Taliban to "stop being naughty" Ha,what a shock you will both get,you will cower down and compound.
    These people are subhuman mate,they do not care about anything but power over women and children and any male of fighting age who seeks asylum in another country is a traitor to Himself his Homeland and just straight out weak kneed.
    In the armed forces of any country with a disciplined army if you dont fight you are classified "LMF' that is Lacking Moral Fortitude.
    Any muslim who sneaks to Australia and leaves his homeland and will not fight is just a gutless mongrel,so every asylum seeker muslim who arrives in Australia is waek willed and not a real man,they are parasitic bottom feeders who will have problems destroying the soul of any society they inhabit.
    They are parasites,they live on others,they bottom feed,they will try to destroy any country that takes them,better just give em 3 ozs of lead behind the left ear and put them out of their misery.
    And you taskid being the big "God Botherer" should know this,they are subversive subhuman parasites,they like to live in the 15 centery,let,in their own country,they want to walk everywhere or travel on a donkey let,they dont want to be educated or integrate so just shoot the lot of em,put em out of their misery,dont bring their vile habits and customs to Australia,stay away,fight for your Motherland you gutless freaks of nature.

    Oh well,got to read the paper I suppose,see whats on at Randwick Races,my God freedom of choice is great.isen't it.

    Hooroo.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    2:47pm
    billydunnomuch
    What a sweet way you have of describing your fellow human beings.

    God is never bothered by those He knows, it bothers Him so many choose to perish though.

    Like many fellows in here, big and brave anonomously, but wonder how brave you little boys would be surrounded by a group of burly muslim lads???

    My I know Whom I have in my corner. Who do you have??

    25th May 2013
    3:11pm
    Been there done that in Sydney when i lived there,you are right though "surrounded by big burly muslim lads" they dont fight one out they fight in a pack,are you so blind and asleep to what is said in this thread,2 muslim men with knives and meat cleavers attacked one unarmed member of the public in the name of Islam????
    are you that blind,they dont fight fair,they use bombs? what dont you see?
    And any man who wants my address can have it,but be carefull as i am not your average garden variety person,i am loyal and very staunch to my friends and family and i dont take sh.t,especially from parasites,comprende,you hide behind your computer screen taskid and crap out of your gob,they cant fight one on one,they use bombs and knives,that is gutless wether they are muslim/non muslim,what are these big burly poofter blokes going to do,whatever it is it will not be in public or in daylight,are they going to overwhelm me with their garlic breath to disable me? Ha,wake up,you know nothing about the real world mate,I've lived it and still am,many men haved tried to cross me,they learn fast that they are well out of their depth,they cry like little girls blouses when they dont have their apelike mates behind them,they run mate,that a fact,believe me.
    Just seen a photo of one of the hero killers,he looks like a black monkey,surely his mother must of known she had an animal in her belly for 9 months and not a human.

    Send em round sweetheart,Billy and my friends Mr Harrington and Mr Richardson are primed and waiting.

    Go back to sleep for Gods sake,go back to sleep. Zzzzzz
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    3:18pm
    Billysolost
    I Phave no admiration for people especially men who have to use "girls blouses" - a sexist comment - to elevate themselves.

    People of any race of religion who have to rely on rasicism, sexism etc to show what bit little boys they are do not impress me.

    This situation will never be "won" by the men flexing their tiny muscles on one side or the other. Jesus said, "those who live by the sword will fall by the sword" - when 600 Roman soldiers came to arrest Him, he stood before them and without Him touching them they fell to the ground when he stood before them. That is power - what you speak of is human weakness.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    3:54pm
    Apologies for the typos I was watching a good film as I typed. :0)

    25th May 2013
    3:58pm
    Taskid,you are a God Botherer,like my Mother,we dont talk anymore because of it,you want to believe in a couple of books written by a third person who wasent there fine,the muslims want to live by the Qur'an a book written 20 years after Mohammuds death thats fine too,me personally well i dont care,i know whats right and wrong and dont need any book to to tell me how to conduct myself,i have a conscience and that tell me what is right and wrong,throw in a bit of intuition, something I have that animals dont have and you get a self contained unit,a unit that only needs food and shelter,I'm complete,pity you God Botherers dont look around inside your own head for the answers instead of relying on books written 2000 years ago that are not relevant to this century.

    Gotta go Race 8 at Randwicks on.

    Hooroo.Now go back to sleep Zzzzzzzzz
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    4:04pm
    billyknowsnothingabout taskid

    Billy I met the Author and then read His book. Met Jesus, then read the Bible. You just do not understand.

    You have a conscience - who gave it to you. Silly boy.

    25th May 2013
    6:26pm
    Oh but i do believe in God,there is only one God for all of us,not one for each religion,they are man made,difference between me and you and the rest of the God Bothering Do Gooders is that i have realised it and you and the rest are still searching.

    Go back to sleep mate Zzzzzzzz
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    6:33pm
    Well you may have religion, religions have "god" Hindus have thousands, Muslims have the moon spirit Allah, Buddhists worship creation, etc etc. Jews and Christians worship the one true God of the Bible. He is the only one which lives. You do not know Him, I can tell. So you must have one of the other 'gods.' Take your pick. You have not searched and you have not found. You are the one missing out on the life only Jesus can bring.

    Jews worship Him, Christians know Him as well as worship Him - Jesus is the only way to know God the Father.
    Anonymous
    25th May 2013
    8:03pm
    Get a life Taskid,however indoctrinated you should be flogged,you are asleep just like the Muslims want you to be!

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    8:14pm
    billyknowshowtoberude

    If you knew the Living God you would know that you are talking a load of codswallop.
    toot2000
    25th May 2013
    7:11pm
    I think there's a lot to be said about young Muslims not fitting into Aussie society. My daughter worked with a bright young Muslim man who had a picture of his beautiful wife in her headscarf and their 2 children on his desk. Every Friday the office would stop work at 4pm and go downstairs for drinks and nibblies, supplied by the management. He would never go, and my daughter once encouraged him to come. He said his religion didn't allow him to be around alcohol. She said "We have orange juice" but he just smiled, seemed a little embarrassed and went home. This went on for the four years she was there. Draw your own conclusions.
    Anonymous
    25th May 2013
    8:00pm
    So what you are saying is that if you don't consume alcohol or want to be around intoxicated people then they shouldn't be in Australia!!!!

    Well, there goes my son, he refuses to drink alcohol OR be around intoxicated people and he is an atheist - worse than me, even!

    Such a crime, this person has committed, he hasn't interfered with anyone's way of life, been respectful and loves his family BUT gee he won't drink so "out he goes". If they had an event that didn't have alcohol, I am sure he would attend.

    Would you feel the same way if an ex alcoholic did the same thing.... No you would commend him.

    Your whole argument is rather hollow and inane, sorry I don't mean to be rude but your point is more a reason to keep him here, in my view.

    Seriously, alcohol is becoming our staple diet.... Flogged to us by commercial concerns, so they can make money, without responsibility for the abuse, crime and illness that result from it. If the drunks that frequent our park is any indication, they are getting younger and younger each year - numbers are also increasing.
    toot2000
    25th May 2013
    8:13pm
    Mussitate, you don't get it, he set himself apart, and that's the whole problem.
    Anonymous
    25th May 2013
    8:13pm
    He's not being asked to drink but to say hello to his workmates Sufficate,its called socialising,we socialise here in Australia,we dont put big sacks around our women like you do,the only reason you make em cover up is so that we Westerners cant see the cane marks where you hit em to keep em in line.

    You wont win Guiseppe go back to sleep Zzzzzz

    25th May 2013
    7:44pm
    Billyknows
    So billyknows you are a new Australian BUT you are bringing into Australia HATE and RACISM - no different to anyone else that promotes this sort of DISGUSTING thing - who do you think you are to think that you can HATE but no one else can.....
    You have no right to preach your VENOM about other Australians.
    Your preferred country is up the duff and now you want to come here and promote the same shite over here.

    SOUND FAMILIAR BILLYKNOWS (nothing)!!!!!!!

    Do you think you are a class above anyone else here just because they have different skin or different religion than your IMPORTED characteristics.

    You think your IMPORTED way of life IS Australia BUT it is NOT. Australia is UNIQUE, it is NOT ENGLAND, it is free and everyone has more wealth than any other country in the world. We do not have 'class' we have egalitarianism.

    So basically, screw you!
    Anonymous
    25th May 2013
    8:09pm
    Hit a soft spot did I Sufficate,mate you can fly your little anarchist or vendetta flag all you want,and i have lived here for 45 years and never collected the dole or left this country,and yes I and all decent Australians no matter race,creed or culture are a class above you and your muslim mates,i have no sympathy for little potential muslim terrorists drowning in the ocean,one boat less really.

    Go back to sleep Guiseppe Zzzzzzzz
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    8:18pm
    billyhasnogod

    You think you know God and you would see a fellow human drowning and do nothing.
    So obvious you do not know the God of Love. That is indefensible to even put that up in here. Have you no shame??? You seem a most unhappy person, full of bitterness. Whatever happened to you???
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    2:10am
    Nah, just enjoying myself.... having a bit of fun wid yah!

    Big deal about the dole and all that - doesn't mean a thing! What makes you think you are a decent human being???? You still think in class and think you are above others because you come from the mighty UK..... bit of a laugh really .... you should go back and have a look at your old country..... bit of a mess mate.

    Sheez... 45 years and you still haven't assimilated ..... so out you go! Based upon your own rules old boy..... need help packing?

    Now, back to the 200 kilometre line of bodies of babies, children, women and men that were non-combatants but INNOCENT civilians, simply trying to live their lives.

    I don't give a damn about what religion they are, nor do I give a damn whether they are brown, pink or brindle....... they are, no sorry, were human beings who were murdered so that a foreign nation could control their oil or their land for strategic purposes. THAT IS TERRORISM and it is OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

    Now we will cover your RACISM which is due solely to YOU thinking you are the quintessential to this country... being a pommie and all. Well I am sorry but you are NOT and Australians are not poms... we have evolved and are quite unique in that we are ALL immigrants and NOT one single type of immigrant takes precedent over another.

    It doesn't mean you have to like every other PERSON or what they think. For instance, my thoughts about you are not very nice, however, you have just as much right to be here as I do.... we are both immigrants (I simply was here many generations before you) but you have to respect people and their right to be here JUST LIKE YOU.

    YOU billyknows, have no more right to be here than those coming from middle eastern countries.... your illusions of being a class better than others holds no water!
    Peterseaford
    25th May 2013
    7:53pm
    They must not fraternise with the unbeliever unless really necessary - its all in the book - you could even google it if you wanted to
    Anonymous
    25th May 2013
    8:03pm
    Crap, they just do NOT partake of alcohol which is NOT a bad thing going by all the (young) drunks in my park.

    I don' t like fish, so would not go with you fishing.... So, out I go! Argument is no different!!!!!!!
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    8:07pm
    That was mussitate, being his usual charming self. :0)
    Anonymous
    25th May 2013
    8:22pm
    I wouldent mind getting pig blood on me no worries,but human blood,you kidding me,i knew muslims in Sydney who used to use and sell drugs,but they dident drink alcohol,whats that the lesser of two evils,you cant win Sufficate,your argument is flawed,If someone aked me if i liked Muslims my answer would be "depends how you cook em"
    Lokk what I found Sufficate.
    Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy

    A Memo to American Muslims (and discussion) by Muqtedar Khan
    "Muslims love to live in the U.S. but also love to hate it. Many openly claim that the U.S. is a terrorist state but they continue to live in it. Their decision to live here is testimony that they would rather live here than anywhere else. As an Indian Muslim, I know for sure that nowhere on earth, including India, will I get the same sense of dignity and respect that I have received in the U.S."
    "It is time that we acknowledge that the freedoms we enjoy in the US are more desirable to us than superficial solidarity with the Muslim World. If you disagree than prove it by packing your bags and going to whichever Muslim country you identify with."

    I rest my case and go back to sleep,after i check my still,homemade hooch dont you just love living in a democracy? Goodnight Zzzzzzzz
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    2:32am
    Oh dear, middle eastern people sell drugs just like americans, english, australians, asians, negroes, europeans, etc, etc. At least they are not drunks, who drive cars and kill people or do other anti social things whilst drunk and think it is a valid excuse to say....oh, gee wiz, I was drunk, so it is okay! They are still one up, go think.

    I don't know about this so called sense of dignity that comes from living in the US... you haven't been there lately either have you. You seen how many millions are on food stamps; how the slums are growing; how drugs are out of control; how crime is an everyday occurrence; how their public education is a joke; their health system costing an arm, leg, kidney and house..literally; how they get very little services from their government; and how their infrastructure is falling apart (only yesterday a bridge fell down). So... whoop de doo...you found an article that said it was better than anywhere else to live...what was its date 1950 or 60 or simply another bought person.

    Seriously though, we could ask you the same question and I am sure that you have more dignity and a better way of life by coming to Australia than staying in the UK. It is true, it is a wonderful place to come to.... brilliant really. It would be no different to all the other immigrants that come here, we all love it.

    However, you are saying that only people YOU select are allowed to come to Australia and are laying down rules that say how they must look and how they must act and how what religion they are to be. Exactly who the hell do you think you are....boyo?

    Well come on Mr Superior...tell us how you are a CLASS above every other immigrant in Australia. How you prefer the system back in your country of CLASS rule, rather than an egalitarian one that is Australia.

    25th May 2013
    8:37pm
    Heres another one Sufficate:-

    What Muslims should have done since 9/11

    "Imagine that a sect of fanatical Jews blew up three American buildings, killing thousands. Imagine that this sect of Jews issued a declaration of holy war on the United States, in the name of Judaism."
    "What do you think would have been the response of the rest of the Jews in America and around the world? Our ears would have been deafened by the roar of Jews' moral outrage, their resounding support for America, and their demands for the destruction of the radical sect. You wouldn't be able to turn around in NYC or any urban center without seeing Jews wearing some insignia to show their love for America and hatred for the sect. There would be endless TV spots sponsored by Jewish organizations, there would be T-shirts with "Those killers aren't Jews," there would be multitudes of young Jews volunteering to go into the military to fight the sect."
    Why didn't Muslims do this?
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    3:29am
    Erh.... have you ever heard of Palestine????

    Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11 but they did have oil which they were selling in non US$..????

    Libya had nothing to do with 9/11 but did have oil and lots of gold bullion..???

    Don't really understand this comment.

    25th May 2013
    8:39pm
    You like that Sufficate.

    Welcome to the real world Guiseppe.

    Oops time for a drink and a nice bit of pork crackling...Yummee!
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    3:29am
    you sucking on your own toe....again?

    25th May 2013
    8:47pm
    Here is another Sufficate.

    An Iraqi blogger condemns the Iraqi Islamofascist "resistance" - "Islam indeed excuses such barbaric acts. ... So yes, Islam is the problem here. Poverty, economic conditions, abuse by so called colonialism, and political frustration are not. Similar conditions elsewhere in the world have not prompted non-Muslims to commit suicide bombings or fly planes into towers. Islam, along with favourable cultural, tribal, and social values existing in the Arab world has prompted that drive. Islam and the Quran alone are the root cause. The solution is not however to alienate all Muslims, or to expel them, or annihilate them. It is up to "moderate" Muslims and their clerics to carefully examine their scriptures and to reform, the same way Jews and Christians did."
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    3:44am
    You should see the poverty in Saudi Arabia...they have oil but are a brutal dictatorship that are FULLY supported by the WEST. Rich people from this country are allowed into Australia, USA & UK,...... no worries! These rich Saudis are the ones that treat women disgustingly and are religious extremists.... not refugees from Iraq, etc.

    Iraq WAS a sectarian government and Iran IS a democracy and women 'choose' to wear the full veil covering or not. Violence and crime in Iran is minimal, excepting of course, the blowing up of scientists by Israel. Oh! nearly forgot, Jewish people are represented in the Iranian parliament - yes, jewish people live safely in Iran - they are probably safer than muslims living in Western nations.

    25th May 2013
    8:53pm
    And Another Sufficate

    Nonie Darwish (born an Egyptian Muslim): "The Arab culture is famous for its concept of pride. Image is very important and pride and shame are great motivators. Protecting the image of Muslims in front of the non-Muslim West is vital. Thus elaborate behavior is done to saving face. Admitting to a mistake can bring terrible shame and is not regarded as a virtue; those who admit to mistakes are not rewarded for their honesty but ridiculed and shamed or even severely punished. ... Fear of being accused of defaming one's tribe, nation or religion leads to a culture that tends to blame others rather than look within. ... There is also a concept in Islam called "taqueya" which allows lying to non-Muslims if it is in the best interest of Islam. That concept is very deep in Muslim culture that we don't even think of the term "taqueya" any more; it has simply penetrated every aspect of Muslim life. Because of it there is very little self-criticism. Thus, saying sorry, admitting guilt or looking within for solutions is not a strong value; it will surely get a person in deep trouble instead. Such a person will bear the blunt of the blame for everything - even for what he did not do; thus you have Muslim denials and defensiveness over matters that many in the West cannot comprehend. ... Shaming is prominent in the Arab child. To avoid the intense pain of shaming, denying responsibility turns into a virtue to save face and protect one's pride. The concept of "taqueya" is one of the reasons many Muslims were silent after 9/11. Only a few were speaking out honestly and openly by admitting there is a problem in Muslim culture that needs to be examined and corrected. The few Arab Americans who did that where not rewarded for their honesty by their Muslim community; instead they were condemned, shunned and shamed by the majority of Muslims. ... This charade of denials and games has done nothing but keep the Muslim world in a permanent state of stagnation, turmoil and poverty despite of the wealth from oil."
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    3:50am
    Again, you talk of extremism.... to represent those from the middle east that are mostly not extremists, well they weren't until their families got murdered and their country bombed to pieces (literally).

    There are problems....big problems with the American culture...hell, every American has a arsenal under his bed and they shoot each other regularly, let alone blow up buildings and shooting children at schools, etc. Now that is a cultural problem.

    25th May 2013
    8:59pm
    Do you see it Sufficate,the definition of "taqueya" allowing lying to non-muslims if it is in the best interestof Islam.

    What you think Guiseppe,these are not my quotes,mine are more lenient.
    Geez you must be ripping your hair out by now,probably got teeth marks in your keyboard,if you havent already thrown it through the window,you wont win against Australia Guiseppe,you wont win mate,we are onto it,always have been.

    Go to sleep son,you bust be stressing out by now eh.

    Goodnight Guiseppe. Zzzzzzzz
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    3:52am
    Sheez! The US government, the UK government, the Australian government ALL lied about IRAQ.... so that they could conduct an illegal invasion and slaughter hundreds of thousands of INNOCENT people.

    So WHAT!!!

    25th May 2013
    9:21pm
    Try this one for size,

    Sexuality
    Another aspect of the bitter, hate-filled, young male terrorist (especially the Islamist kind) may be a poor sex life, and hatred of women.


    The sex repression of Sayyid Qutb, the snobbish, fanatic America-hater and father of modern Islamic Fascism. This Egyptian weirdo was scandalised by the "decadence" of an alcohol-free church dance in Greeley, Colorado, in 1949.
    Mark Steyn on the sex freak Sayyid Qutb: "His disgust at the lasciviousness of America is vaguely reminiscent of the old joke about the spinster who complains that the young man across the street strips naked in full view every night: when the cop says he can't see anything, she explains you have to climb up on the wardrobe and crane your neck up over the skylight. ... In 1949, Greeley, Colo., was dry. The dance was a church social. ... it's a useful reminder of how much we could give up and still be found decadent and disgusting by the Islamists."

    The 9/11 killers:
    Article by Richard Cohen, 26 Sept 2001, on the inadequate young 9/11 killers, who lived in the free West, and hated it - or liked it, and hated themselves for liking it: "They remind me in this regard of men who pick up someone for sex - and then beat that person up afterward."
    It has since emerged that the killers were sexually inadequate - religious young men obsessed with sex with virgins in the (imaginary) afterlife, who, when they got to the West, rented porn videos, went to strip clubs, and paid prostitutes for sex, before they began their killing.

    Anwar al-Awlaki and the Fort Hood killer:
    The unmarried Fort Hood jihad killer also went to a strip club and paid for lap dances before he began his killing in 2009.
    His mentor, the married Al Qaeda preacher Anwar al-Awlaki, was repeatedly arrested for soliciting prostitutes when he was an imam in the US.

    The Iraqi resistance are rapists and sex perverts.
    The Taliban are rapists and sex perverts.
    The Beslan child killers were rapists and sex perverts.
    The Mali jihadists who destroyed ancient Timbuktu were also of course gang rapists and sex perverts.

    When Russian hackers tracked the web activities of British Jihadists in 2007, they found them looking at porn (including gay and transsexual porn).
    Gay porn found on Taliban computers, May 2011.
    Deranged Al Qaeda fighter Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri took injections to promote impotence, to avoid being distracted by sexual urges. Jihad Watch calls him "The eunuch for jihad".

    Al Qaeda prisoners in the US tried to male rape a prison guard in 2000.
    Islamic radicals male rape a Christian barber in Pakistan, Apr 2010. They tricked him into shaving the beard of one of the radicals, and then, pretending to be furious, attacked him. So far, so normal. But these Islamic sex perverts then also sodomized him.
    Islamic radicals offended by a woman's short modern dress in Morocco, report May 2012. So ... these Islamic sex perverts attacked her and stripped her naked in public.

    Senior Hamas politician Ahmad Bahr says that 2.5 million virgins await those who slaughter in the name of Allah. The dirty old goat.
    Bin Laden married one of his wives, Amal al-Sada, when he was 44 and she was 15.
    The leading Islamofascist Yusuf Al-Qaradawi is said to have married a 14 year-old when he was 60.
    Some sources say that Ayatollah Khomeini's wife Khadijeh Saqafi was 10 years old when he married her in 1930. He was 28.

    What Islamic terrorists are really afraid of is women, Boris Johnson, Daily Telegraph, 27 Sept 2001, says that what the 9/11 killers hate is not Western foreign policy (why should Saudis care about the Palestinians?), it's the way Western culture threatens their culture. Good, I would say, and Johnson agrees: - "Let me say what the Left cannot say, since it chokes on the contradictions of its position, at once feminist, and yet relativist. It is time for concerted cultural imperialism. They are wrong about women. We are right."

    Pakistan Taliban shocked to come across woman breastfeeding. So they cut off her breasts and then ordered other women present to eat the pieces. You couldn't make up these vermin. If you wrote it in fiction no one would find it credible.

    Women's rights in Islam
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    4:35am
    Arrrh! but the countries that were attacked by the West were in fact the moderates and NOT the extremists. Most countries in the world (except maybe one or two African countries) have reasonable marriageable ages - Afghanistan is 16, Iran is 13, and Iraq is 15.

    For EXTREMISTS you would need to go to SAUDI ARABIA or YEMEN. SAUDI ARABIA is run by brutal dictators, fully supported by the West AND who are accepted as immigrants into most Western countries. Now they have no legal age for sex because it is not allowed outside of marriage but in marriage Saudi Arabia has NO age limit and Yemen has an age of 9.

    Hence, most of the HORROR stories must be in regard to Saudi Arabia or Yemen who have the WORST track record on BRUTALITY TO WOMEN....both are fully supported by the West.

    There are places in AFRICA where women are brutally treated and they are NOT muslim countries. If you had included them in your disgust of brutality to women instead of isolating it to muslims you would have had more credibility.

    25th May 2013
    9:48pm
    DOLE BLUDGING TERRORIST

    Abdul Nacer Benbrika (Arabic: ??? ?????? ?? ??????) (born in Algeria about 1960), also known as Abu Bakr (Arabic: ??? ???), was one of 17 men arrested in the Australian cities of Sydney and Melbourne in November 2005, charged with being members of a terrorist organisation and of planning terrorist attacks on targets within the country. Benbrika is alleged to be the spiritual leader of the group. All 17 men pleaded not guilty. On 15 September 2008 Benbrika was found guilty on the charge of intentionally being the leader and a member of a terrorist organisation.




    Personal background

    Benbrika was born in Algeria: various sources give his age as 45 or 46 as of November 2005. He was trained as an aircraft engineer. He arrived in Australia in May 1989 on a one-month visitor's permit, on which he twice gained extensions, and settled in the northern suburbs of Melbourne, an area with a large Muslim population. After his permit expired in 1990 he became a prohibited non-citizen, then spent the next six years fighting through the Immigration Review Tribunal appeals process, for the right to stay. During his hearings he told the tribunal of his "love of the Australian lifestyle".[1]

    In 1992 Benbrika married a Lebanese woman who was an Australian citizen, with whom he had seven children.[2] He was granted Australian residence in 1996 and became a citizen in 1998, although he is reported to have retained his Algerian citizenship as well.

    Fair Dinkum,are we for real letting this thing live here and procreate.Geez.

    25th May 2013
    9:51pm
    AND MORE

    Terrorism

    Benbrika came to public attention when he told an Australian ABC interviewer: "Osama bin Laden, he is a great man. Osama bin Laden was a great man before 11 September, which they said he did it, until now nobody knows who did it." He was quoted as defending Muslims fighting against coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, and said anyone who fought in the name of God would be forgiven their sins. "According to my religion, jihad is a part of my religion and what you have to understand is that anyone who fights for the sake of Allah, when he dies, the first drop of blood that comes from him out all his sin will be forgiven."[3]

    During 2004 and 2005 Australian security agencies had Benbrika under surveillance as a possible instigator of terrorist acts. In March his passport was withdrawn on advice from the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO), and ASIO agents raided his Melbourne home in June. In November, according to media reports, ASIO became convinced that Benbrika's group, and affiliated group in Sydney, was actively planning a terrorist attack. It was at this time that the federal government was introducing new anti-terrorism legislation, the Australian Anti-Terrorism Act 2005. It is said that on the advice of ASIO, the Australian Parliament amended the law relating to terrorism, broadening the definition of planning 'a' terrorist act. A few days later police raids in Sydney and Melbourne arrested Benbrika and 16 other men, one of whom was shot after allegedly opening fire on police in Sydney. It has also been said that the timing of the arrests was planned to coincide with the new laws.

    Benbrika and his 12 fellow defendants (including Shane Kent, Fadal Sayadi, Raad Ahmed, Amer Haddara, Abdulla Merhi Raad Ezzit, Hany Taha and Aimen Joud) appeared in a Melbourne magistrate's court the day after their arrest. All are of Muslim immigrant backgrounds except Kent, who is a convert. Benbrika was charged with "directing the activities of a terrorist organization."[4] He did not apply for bail and was remanded in custody. Several of his fellow defendants applied for bail on numerous occasions during their pre-trial remand detention in the maximum security Acacia Unit of Barwon Prison, from November 2005 until their trial began in February 2008.

    Benbrika also had links to the defendants in the 2005 Sydney terrorism plot, Khaled Cheikho, Moustafa Cheikho, Mohamed Ali Elomar, Abdul Rakib Hasan, and Mohammed Omar Jamal.[5]

    Government and police officials said the group was stockpiling chemicals that could have been used to make explosives, Butthey had not been charged with this offense. According to the Melbourne Herald Sun, the group was "plotting a terrorist spectacular on the scale of the al-Qaeda attacks on London and Madrid."[6] The explosive device they were assembling was called the "Mother of Satan" by the jihadists.[7] Victorian police commissioner Christine Nixon said she believed the arrests, which came after 16 months of police surveillance, had "seriously disrupted the activities of a group intent on carrying out a terrorist attack". The raids were planned after new information was obtained, she said. She said although the group had no known specific target, "We were concerned that the attack was imminent, and we believe that we have sufficient evidence that will go before the courts to show that."[8]

    In an interview before his arrest, Benbrika denied he was involved in terrorist activities. "I am not involved in anything here," he said. "I am teaching my brothers here the Koran and the Sunnah, and I am trying my best to keep myself, my family, my kids and the Muslims close to their religion."[citation needed]

    In company with the other defendants, Benbrika appeared in a Melbourne court in March 2007, under extremely strict security. The proceedings of the case are subject to severe reporting restrictions in Victoria.

    25th May 2013
    9:52pm
    AND MORE

    Trial

    The trial of Benbrika began in February 2008.[9] The charges against him included, "intentionally being members of a terrorist organisation involved in the fostering or preparation of a terrorist act." The case was prosecuted by Richard Maidment SC and presided over by Justice Bernard Bongiorno. The defendant was represented by Remy Van de Weil QC with Doogue & O'Brien Solicitors instructing him. The prosecution in opening remarks outlined the details of 500 phone conversations, recorded by telephone intercepts and hidden listening devices, between Benbrika and the 11 men in his group also on trial. Prosecutors alleged phone records revealed the group's plans: "to cause maximum damage. To cause the death of a thousand ... by use of a bomb."[citation needed]

    They allege the group led by Benbrika was "bent on violent jihad" and "planned terrorist attacks on football games or train stations to maximise deaths" and that Benbrika said that in some cases it was theologically permissible to "kill women, children and the elderly".[9]

    The court was told how Benbrika allegedly used at least 10 different mobile phones that were registered under false names and addresses.

    The jury in the case retired to consider its verdict on 20 August 2008. On 15 September Benbrika was found guilty on the charge of intentionally being the leader and a member of a terrorist organisation.[10][11]

    On 3 February 2009 Supreme Court Justice Bernard Bongiorno sentenced Benbrika to 15 years jail with a non-parole period of 12 years. In his comments Bongiorno said the word jihad had many meanings in Islam, but Benbrika had warped the term to mean "only a violent attack by his group to advance the Islamic cause". Bongiorno also said evidence "suggested that Benbrika was still committed to violent jihad, had shown no contrition for his offences and had talked about continuing the group's activities behind bars if its members were jailed".[12][13]

    25th May 2013
    9:56pm
    This is a part of the above.

    They allege the group led by Benbrika was "bent on violent jihad" and "planned terrorist attacks on football games or train stations to maximise deaths" and that Benbrika said that in some cases it was theologically permissible to "kill women, children and the elderly".[9]

    He says it is "theologically permissible" he wouldent know the meaning of the word,all he knows is Australia
    Anonymous
    25th May 2013
    9:59pm
    Australia,Dole,Bludge,Social Security,Take,Take Some More,Kill,Blow Up etc etc.

    Why feed him,why feed his offspring? Why Carrot Top.
    Taskid
    25th May 2013
    10:07pm
    billyknows

    Do you think you have become a little obsessed with this??? Yes some Muslims have done dreadful things, but that is no reason to hate them all is it?
    Hate only ever begets hate it can do no other.
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    3:22am
    Again, Taskid very well put and very succinct.... something I have trouble with..yes?

    26th May 2013
    1:02am
    I dont hate muslims,i have muslim friends,but they entered Australia legally,they work too,but they agree that the muslims are a problem,I dont care what people worship as long as they dont preach to me,I live in a little country town 4 hrs drive from the city,i have retired through injury caused by hard physical work,i have had to travel to Sydney # times for surgery because ( i am quoting Doctors here) we dont have the resources,its being used elsewhere, (boat people)
    I cant afford to live in the city,i cant get public housing because its given to the boat people,I went into the nearest big town shopping and one of the major stores was closed? why? they were teaching boat people how to shop and spend your taxes,they closed the Centrelink office for 1 hour one day why? boat people,there are 500 single men living in a damn detention centre,with a state of the art kitchen,a tennis court,an indoor soccer pitch,free internet,free phone,free cigarettes.
    They are economic refugees with no ID no documentation,they are taking the places put aside for these poor unfortunates in refugee camps in Africa and elsewhere,they have 8 grand to pay a boat fare,they have money to fly to Indonesia,they use real documents to get there,they lose their documents before they arrive here,we dont know who they are,but we know they are taking the places for genuine refugees.What more do you want.

    26th May 2013
    3:16am
    billyknows.....maaaattttte.

    Don't be shy, just let it all out. Being superior and a class above all the rest of us Australian jokers, we obviously will listen to every word you say.

    Now, lets jump from my previous comment to this last one above.

    Oh, no, not the, "I have muslim friends" bit.....firfy, yes? They would run a mile....well, I would and I am not middle eastern or a muslim.

    So we have swapped from legal immigrants to refugees. You are wrong billyboy, you should actually read some of my comments because you would know that the refugees go through extensive (very extensive) security checks whereas those that come in by other means do not have this done, particularly those that stay after their visas run out and those that simply do not return to their own countries after they fly to Australia on holidays, say. Mostly, refugees and illegals, stay very quite and do not mouth off because they either are just grateful to be here or don't want to draw attention to themselves (being illegal and all).

    So it is really the legal ones that have the confidence to carry on...... like you billyboy.

    Now the next bit of rubbish. How can you possibly say that refugees are economic refugees - the others (overstayers and LEGALS) are the economic ones. YOU and EVERY OTHER IMMIGRANT COMES to AUSTRALIA to GAIN ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE.... why else would you be here (our great way of living comes from our economic wellbeing - our wealth is spread more evenly than any other country)!!!!!

    Whereas, Refugees come here because they simply want a SAFE place away from the bombs and Al Qaeda despots (you know those bombs and despots put there by the West). How obviously safer is it to be living IN the West rather than the Middle East where their children and family are being murdered and their homes and infrastructure destroyed by.... wait for it..... Western terrorists, who want their oil or land for strategic purposes.

    NEXT.....No, again billyboy, they don't have the health and hospital resources because the PREVIOUS government run by John Howard who obtained the highest amount of TAX revenue than any other government in the history of Australia (GST an inequitable tax that hits those least able to afford it) AND then spent more than any other government in the history of Australia ON a separate PRIVATE health system for the wealthy and a separate PRIVATE education system for the wealthy. The PUBLIC health and educations systems received LESS MONEY and were allowed to run down. The worst of it is that when the next government took over, they were forced to continue the transfer of PUBLIC MONEY into PRIVATE PURSES because the public system was so run down it could not handle a sudden influx of people into their system. So the current government has to keep paying PUBLIC MONEY into PRIVATE PURSES whilst trying to bring the PUBLIC health and education system up to scratch again. A HUGE outlay.

    NEXT......Refugees cost this country very, very little in comparison to the spending detailed above BUT a lot, lot more than prior to John Howard's political vote catching, racial hatred incitement of refugees. Refugees who represent such a small amount of people that they wouldn't even fill the MCG (that's the Melbourne Cricket Ground, for you as a relatively recent immigrant).

    The new process of diverting refugees and treating them like lepers costs Australia a lot more now!

    There you go billyboy, you economic refugee you.
    sensible senior
    26th May 2013
    8:57am
    mussitate yes they do cost us a lot of money 125,000 dollars a year plus damage to buildings etc and their was a conference in melbourne not so long ago that filled the melbourne showground..i will say WAR DOES NOT DETERMINE WHO IS RIGHT, IT DETERMINES WHO IS LEFT. we were a very loving peace nation but everyday all you hear is murder and violence.
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    9:45am
    Mussitate,
    Good on you for taking billyknows(fa) on and sticking with it. It is very tempting to just give up when rednecks spew their racial hatred. You write powerful comments, even at 3-4am. Are you a fellow insomniac?
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    11:20am
    Its not the quantity of these freeloading boat people Sufficate,its the QUALITY!
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    4:08pm
    Goodness, if we went for QUALITY you and many others would have missed out completely and that would have been a shame.

    Our wonderful history STARTS with 'convicts' dear boy, giving Australia guts and determination but also a wonderful casual, easy going way of looking at things .... most importantly it gave us a wonderful touch of rebelliousness.

    You and your "class" mentality and feeling of superiority... sheez.... when the hell are you going to assimilate into the Australian way!!!!
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    4:14pm
    Robiconda

    Thanks for your comment, very, very much welcomed!!!!... no, only the occasional insomnia but do like late nights and with the different time zone in the west, it makes it look later than it is. Glad you are around. Cheers.
    BD
    26th May 2013
    10:09am
    Hi All,

    I "joined" this forum HOPING to get some constructive arguments/feedback, from everyone, as deep down we ALL know this country has too many problems of its own, to continue to pander and cater to all the lame ducks that enter our country and simply "leech" off us everything they can get.

    I have seen comments elsewhere. that many of our own pensioners have said they would only be too happy to swap places with some of these bludgers, as they get free this, free that, often living far better lives than many of our own Australian people, certainly many pensioners.

    By all means, you members of the "crazy bunch" continue to "support" this lunacy of giving everyone who claims to be a "refugee" a "free life ride" and they'll all end up turning on us eventually, because somehow, (in spite of all that's given to them free) they seem to resent hard working people getting ahead...........they don't play by the rules, obey the law, or even act with reason............they want something, they take it, by force if needs be.........Australia needs to really wake up to this vermin................

    I won't be posting any more comments, as I feel the "crazies" have "sewn it up"....they don't listen to reason, or try to improve things, but then I suppose if you were born into a life of strife it's easier to carry on that way, than attempt to improve yourselves......BUT MAYBE SOME OF YOU MIGHT GIVE IT A TRY.........hard work brings rewards, doing nothing all day, creates lunatics!!!!...

    Oh and what about when THEY get old (if they live that long), do we have to then pay them a pension for not having ever worked and earned Super.......grow up you "spongers supporters"........
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    12:10pm
    Well said BD,but watch out,you will be labelled a redneck or racist for your comments,but,like me you will press on until the average Australian wakes up from a very long sleep,I have no idea why Australians are not more vocal about this "invasion" of our shores,it is an invasion of another country by reprobates.

    Keep It Up BD

    Regards Billy
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    4:35pm
    The refugees I have met and I have met a few, are the hardest workers I have met and the most generous.

    example: We couldn't get anyone to come and assist my mother who is 90 this year but a refugee immigrant, after hearing her plight, offered to help. Did some rather HARD work, charged her very little and then stopped a bit longer and had a cuppa with her.

    He told my mum that he missed his home and extended family very much but he and his wife loved Australia. He was gentle and caring and it was obvious he didn't come here for the money, like most other immigrants do.

    It is disgusting that BD and bullyboy spit racial poison and hatred at people that are defenceless and need a helping hand.

    It is obvious that they have not assimilated into the 'Australian way' because REAL AUSTRALIANS are the first to give a helping hand.

    Billyboy and BD seem to prefer to subjugate those less fortunate and prefer to simply suck up the racial hatred that our corporate (foreign) media 'feeds' them.

    26th May 2013
    11:06am
    Get real Sufficate,just another bleeding heart,that is what these people want,something they neither give or show,empathy.
    Its people like you who feed these parasites,the more a parasite feeds the bigger it gets.and when it all goes belly up.probably in 50 years you are the first to complain,you are waek Sufficate,muslims lie to Westerners,its part of their religion and culture,i have worked with plenty of muslims, mainly Lebanese,they never integrate,they just want to get everything they can off the Goverment and and they do not care about us SKIPS,I know mate,I have been very close to them when i lived in Sydney,I have first hand knowledge of what the non-working muslims income is derived from,its not legit work you poor man,wake up from your sleep mate.
    As for me being a redneck,tell that to my Aboriginal neigbours,I think they will totally disagree with you,they know me as someone who will stand up for his rights,and theirs if anyone bothers them,you are in a very deep sleep Sufficate,very deep indeed,Wake Up before its too late.
    There has already been another stabbing in FRance,a flow on from the British Terrorist Murder of innocents.
    Also these economic refugees (boat people)cannot be identified and given security clearance if they are using false documents,wake up Australia,you will live to regret not standing up for your rights,these muslim inbreds know their rights before they get here.
    Wake up now!

    Zzzzzzzzzz

    26th May 2013
    5:34pm
    billyboy

    Well that is something we would NEVER, EVER accuse you of being ...... a bleeding heart.

    You have absolutely no concept of the Australian way, of EGALITARIANISM which makes us SO GREAT and offering a helping hand...... even after 45 years of immigrating from the UK.

    NEXT...I have worked with Aboriginal people and become friends... I have seen them with one such as you... they allowed him to be the 'policeman' in an outback location. The lowest position in their culture. He felt important and they had filled a function....needless to say, he was so insensitive and unknowing about any other culture other than his own and his own self importance, that he was never invited to any real cultural interactions or never gained any real insight into the Aboriginal people around him.

    NEXT...Remember the 200 kilometres of bodies placed sided by side, that belonged to babies, children, women and men ALL non-combatants and INNOCENTS. They were NOT soldiers, they were victims of TERRORISM..... perpetrated by the West.

    Again, this has nothing to do with muslims per se, it has ALL to do with power and wealth. It is about a group of people sitting on oil and other resources that the West wanted but which they were not willing to hand over. Hence, the West simply slaughtered the people directly or through Al Qaeda cells and took what they wanted. It could have been any group of people, it wouldn't have mattered, however, it just happened that they were muslim people.

    Makes it easier to feed propaganda to the people of the West if they are another type of religion... a lot easier.

    Hitler would have been laughing his head off. In the countries where the West has rained terror and mass murder against innocent civilians, EXTREMISTS publish and fuel hatred and racism of those that perpetuated these heinous crimes - we NOW have muslim extremists in other countries than Saudi Arabia. In the West, propaganda is spewed out saying they are freedom fighters (not terrorists - irrespective of the lies that have been told and the actual events that have taken place) and that they are fighting the muslim hoards. We now have western EXTREMISTS, spewing the same thing.

    Do you really think that such grotesque and disgusting acts of terrorism against hundreds and thousands of innocent people would continue to go on without any retribution from the families of those that were slaughtered? At least these recent attacks are on soldiers and NOT babies, women and children in indiscriminate acts of bombing. That is the ONLY consolation - it could have been a lot, lot worse.

    Rather than spewing racial hatred and extremism because you are told to by the propaganda oozed out by our corporate (foreign) owned media, why not think and if you find you really, really want to end the murders.... raise your voice against western terrorism, so that we can then raise our voices against ALL terrorism.

    NEXT...
    Refugees are the most stringently checked security wise than any other type of immigrant, so that is a total firfy. Additionally, Refugees are NOT economic immigrants but simply want a safe place to live away from extremists like you bullyboy. It is you and every other immigrant that is an economic immigrant... why else would you and us others come here.... Australia's way of life is based upon our economic wellbeing... WE are EGALITARIAN, something YOU bullyboy want to take away, so that we can be all placed into "classes" a throw back from your own culture.

    So NO Australians don't want to do your bidding by dripping racial hatred and poisoning... we don't do that here... we are Australians.

    It's about time you assimilated, dear boy... it's been 45 years.

    26th May 2013
    8:46pm
    Question 1 Sufficate,No one helped me when i moved here,but unlike the boat people I have never been on the dole in all that time.

    NEXT:-I have Aboriginal neigbours Sufficate,both duplex's are crawling with cockroaches,had to call the Ranger to remove a starving dog,the Ranger was a relative,NO CHARGES LAID.
    My car was broken into and property stolen,after a visit by a few mates on Harley Davidsons I got my property back,yes,the gutless dogs put my property back,"worried about a flogging"
    Want INSIGHT into the mentality of my neigbours Sufficate,all their dole is spent on grog,one fell swoop,Bang,bottlo here we come.
    My neigbours on the other side are aboriginal too,one drives a Mercedes and owns a beautifull dog,vetted,microchipped and desexed..SO what was your point??

    NEXY:_ As I said it could be 2000 kilometres,whats the problem with a few extra klm's,So educate the parents,dont tell me they are illiterate,they are taught to read the Qur'an at 1year old,taught to fire a Kalashnikov at 5 years old,taught to hate the west at 6 years old,etc,etc...ad infinatum.

    NEXT:- Has nothing to do with power and wealth,nothing to do with money,it was all based on humanitarian grounds,Taliban rape and pillage and of course they start moaning on the internet for help,from outsiders that is.Wake up Sufficate.

    NEXT:-I spew nothing Sufficate,they are Terrorists by choice,Muslims by choice,rapist by choice,murderers by choice,paedophiles by choice.We all have a choice Sufficate,even you.

    NEXT:-If you think that America,Australia and Britain are Terrorists then move to Afghanistan and take up arms Sufficate,just go,you are obviously not happy living in a democracy....

    NEXT:-WEstern TErrorism,whose side are you on Sufficate? I know you are flying the Anarchist flag but you sound like a Traitor to your country Sufficate,Would you like to tell Doctor Billy what ails you dear boy...you sound a wee bit upset there dear boy..

    NEXT:-AS for your last statement,well,I cant answer that got sore fingers typing and i want to watch the Monaco F1 races while drinking my homemade hooch,eating a pork chop and do you really think i am thinking about people who start civil wars in their own countries then flee when the going gets tuff,i dont Sufficate,there are specialised groups to do that,they are called the United Nations??

    Read this Sufficate just got it off the net,No,not fishing silly boy, the internet1

    BOGUS IMMIGRANTS FOOLING AUSTRALIA

    Putting in bluntly, although some of these people may have suffered persecution in their home nations, by the time they reach Australian territory they are certainly not refugees by any legal or moral criteria. A true refugee fleeing for his life from dangerous circumstances is literally looking for safe haven in the first country that will not persecute him.

    Having gained entry to such a place, the person thus automatically relinquishes his refugee status and is then free to apply for legal migration to the country of his choice. This is the international legal situation, as mandated by the United Nations Human Rights Convention.

    The true situation with the boatpeople from the Middle East is that they actually land in a number of such safe havens, prior to attempting to enter Australia. The most common route for them is via Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia, none of which have a policy or track record of persecuting or killing them. Therefore if these people arrived in any of a number of safe havens before they departed them for Australia, how can they then invade Australia claiming to be refugees when they could have remained in perfect safety in any of these countries and applied to settle in them? Then eventually if they had wanted to come to Australia, they could have applied to do so legally.

    That these illegal immigrants are criminals is very simple to prove. None of them come directly from their home nations where they are being persecuted, but arrive from the last of a series of safe haven nations that they have transited, therefore they deliberately and fraudulently misrepresent themselves as refugees to Australian authorities, thus committing criminal fraud.

    Goodnight Sufficate my hooch is getting warm and my Pork Chop is getting cold.

    PS. Have you ever thought about entering into a Monastic Order Sufficate,sounds like you would make a good Monk,lots of time meditate,may fix the errors in your thinking.

    Goodnight Dear Boy.... Zzzzzzzz

    26th May 2013
    9:03pm
    Bet you hate my guts eh Sufficate,I like that,the idea that someone i have never met or seen or talked to hates my guts,aw shucks I'm getting all embarassed,ever used a dummy Sufficate,you know,a pacifier,they give em to little bubbies when they cry,not bad if you dip em in honey too,sweeten you up a bit dear boy....
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    10:03pm
    No, of course I don't....I don't hate anyone. You do amuse me though....very entertaining.

    I also have great sympathy for you but don't worry I will toughen up and take it on the chin....

    All these years and you still don't know what it is like to be Australian, you keep hanging on to the petty but vicious small mindedness that belongs in your old country.... not here.

    Here you are nothing more than another immigrant.... just like the rest of us.

    Your culture of origin is of no more importance than anyone else's culture. The Italians and Greeks have just as much claim as the English, as does the vietnamese and chinese. Times have changed but you remain in the past (back in the UK) where you think you own Australia and Australians.

    Australia does things different to your country of origin, we do not look down on others as if we are superior or a 'class' above, we simply get on with it and judge people only after we get to know them. Then it doesn't matter what colour they are or how they look or what their religion is.... it only matters that we either like or dislike them personally.

    We Australians do not spit poison and hate for no other reason than that they are different. Our motto is "give em a go mate....give em a go"!
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    10:56pm
    You are spitting hate and poison right now dear boy...,go back and read what you say sunny jim,you and the rest are brainwashed poor defenceless people,tell me Sufficate how many PM's do you get backing you??,not as many as i get,you have no idea dear boy,your just a babe in arms really,just an infant..Aw Shucks

    26th May 2013
    9:07pm
    Heres a web page for you,just copy and paste,everything you needed to know that proves boat people are illegal immigrants.You should read this Sufficate,its good for your head.

    http://www.hotheads.com.au/immigrants.htm

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    26th May 2013
    9:19pm
    Next:-

    PROVING THEY ARE CRIMINALS

    Most of these illegal immigrant people arrive in Australian waters with no documentation such as passports, identity cards or any other papers that indicate who they are. There is no doubt that nearly all of them travel by air through a number of countries before reaching Indonesia and the people smugglers. So how did these people pass through so many international air and sea ports with immigration barriers and stay in some of these countries for lengthy periods of time, if they did not have passports and visas?

    Figures obtained from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship revealed that more than 80% of the illegal immigrants arriving in Australia by boat threw away their passports before landing, presenting a security nightmare for ASIO and immigration authorities. 5213 people arriving illegally between 2008 and 2010 had first flown to Indonesia before boarding a boat to Australia.

    But only 21 of those people still had passports with them by the time they were intercepted in Australian waters. And less than a quarter of them had any documentation at all, raising the danger that people who posed a security risk could slip through the net.

    To travel by air, every person must have documentation such as passports and visas. Anybody who has travelled overseas will attest to this. Just see what happens if you try to board an international flight without a passport. Even if you managed to buy a ticket and somehow sneaked past all the outbound checks and obtained a boarding pass, boarded an aircraft and flew out, you would be immediately stopped at your first port of call by the local immigration authorities, who would demand to see your passport and a visa if required.

    If you could not produce these documents, they would be arrested immediately. There is absolutely no doubt that especially in these modern times of high security, people without proper documents such as passports and visas would have no hope of travelling from the Middle East through a number of countries to eventually reach Australia.

    The inescapable truth is that they these illegal immigrants must have had travel documents so they could transit through all those nations, but most of these bogus refugees deliberately destroyed them prior to entering Australian waters to prevent Australian authorities identifying them and proving that they were either not genuine refugees, or that they had been given entry to a number of safe haven nations, but had deliberately chosen to bypass them and instead engage the services of other criminals, the people smugglers, to illegally infiltrate them into Australia.

    Therefore by simple logic and their own deliberate acts to try and conceal their true identities, these illegal immigrants show that they are not refugees but merely criminals. Perceiving that Australia has a far better welfare and social service than most other countries, they target Australia for nothing more than economic reasons and do everything in their power to obstruct Australian authorities in determining their true position. There are also more sinister implications that will be dealt with further in this article.
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    9:24pm
    Well Sufficate,what do you think dear boy....
    Its not just me mate,its everyone including this Government of ours.
    They are phonies Sufficate,PHONIES,I have a harder life than them,as do most disabled people in Australia,they are PHONIES....PHONIES mate.

    Wake Up Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    26th May 2013
    10:51pm
    NEXT Sufficate:-
    THE MOST SOLID PROOF OF ALL

    The most blatant evidence that these boatpeople are not genuine refugees or asylum seekers is the fact that they make the firm choice of flying to Indonesia or Malaysia, then conspiring with criminal people smugglers to put them on boats and sail them into Australia waters. This costs each of these illegal aliens anywhere between $5000 to over $10,000 per head.

    The popular notion held by many Australians is that these so-called asylum seekers come by boat because it is cheaper than flying. This is the greatest load of utter nonsense and provably so. It is staggering that Australians can be so gullible and stupid as to believe this, when about ten seconds of pondering the issue would show that the exact opposite is true. And here is the hard evidence.

    Consider this. If a person in Iraq, Afghanistan or any other nation in the Middle East area was seeking asylum and had between $5000 to $10,000, the amount of money he would need to pay a people-smuggler, why did this person not simply get on an aircraft from any of those nations and fly directly to Sydney? After all, a one-way airfare from Baghdad to Sydney on EgyptAir was listed as under $1,400 as of August 2012.

    But assuming that an illegal alien could not fly directly to Sydney from Baghdad for whatever reason and decided to fly to Jakarta instead, as most of these boatpeople do, that would cost him around $1200 on Turkish Airlines. Having landed in Jakarta, he would then be free to book himself on a one-way flight to Sydney and that would cost him $450 on Malaysian Airlines. The total airfare from Baghdad to Sydney via Jakarta would be under $1,500.

    The reason that these illegal aliens prefer boats to planes is because airlines and customs require passports. These people don't conspire with criminals to put them onto leaky boats from Indonesia to Australia because it's a cheaper way to travel. There's a massive difference between $10,000 that an illegal alien would spend to be smuggled to Australia, as opposed to a direct flight costing under $1,500.

    The only rational explanation is that these people are not refugees or asylum seekers, because they completely avoid coming to Sydney via the front door, so to speak. They would rather spend up to seven times the cost of that airfare to be smuggled into Australia and that alone makes them criminals, not asylum seekers, not refugees, just nothing but crooks and economic nation-shoppers. That alone is why they should NEVER EVER be allowed to enter Australia, be processed as asylum seekers and use our court system to fight being booted out. Every last one of them should be kicked out of Australia upon arrival and without hesitation.

    ITS A SCAM SUFFICATE.

    26th May 2013
    10:58pm
    AND NEXT:-
    INDONESIA IS PART OF THE CONSPIRACY

    Virtually all of the illegal immigrants that arrive in Australian waters by boat depart from Indonesia. So how did they get from the Middle East to Indonesia in the first place? The answer is that Indonesia granted them entry visas so that they could fly from Afghanistan, Iraq and other Middle Eastern nations and enter Indonesia legally and reside there until they could embark on their illegal voyages into Australian waters.

    Therefore under normal circumstances, Afghans and Iraqis flying into any Indonesian international airport would have to possess valid passports and visas and have onward travel already booked. Otherwise if they just arrived without those documents and proof of onward travel arrangements, they would not even get out of the customs and immigration areas of those airports, but would be detained and deported. So why are they allowed into Indonesia? The answer is very obvious.

    The Indonesian regime has always claimed that it is trying to stop the flood of illegal immigrants to Australia, however that is just a blatant lie. In fact, Indonesia is deliberately facilitating the people-smuggling racket by allowing those Afghans and Iraqis to fly into Indonesia in the first place, allowing them to reside in Indonesia until they depart on those boats to Australia and not ensuring that these people depart on the onward travel that is indicated on their itineraries. But why are the Indonesians doing this? Again, the answer is very simple.

    The truth is that Indonesia could stop this continuous wave of illegal immigrants from Afghanistan and Iraq instantly, simply by not issuing entry visas to those people unless they could provide hard evidence that they were not coming to Indonesia to engage people smugglers to get them illegally to Australia. Even if the Indonesians did grant entry visas to those people, the Indonesians could monitor them closely and ensure that they depart on flights back to their home nations or to nations that have granted them entry visas, which would mean not to Australia.

    But of course the Indonesians will not do any of this, because they are predominantly Muslim and they are part of The Hijra, to facilitate the invasion of secular western nations by Muslims. However, because Indonesia has allowed those Afghans and Iraqis to enter legally, Indonesia has in fact granted them refuge and safe haven, thus those people are really Indonesia's responsibility, not Australia's.

    This is why ever single boatperson who is apprehended sailing into Australia from Indonesia should be immediately returned to Indonesia without any consideration or recourse to Australian courts. The bottom line is that Indonesia is making suckers out of all Australians by being complicit in the conspiracy to flood Australia with Muslims and there is simply no other explanation for what has been going on with those boatpeople coming from Indonesia.
    Anonymous
    26th May 2013
    11:00pm
    What about that Sufficate,what about it dear boy....cat got ya tongue.

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    26th May 2013
    11:08pm
    Oh dear old son..... we off again with our english culture of no tolerance and think you own Australia and Australians!

    Think you can tell us how to think and how to interact with other human beings. Australia is more than a dumping ground for the english, old chap.... the greeks, italians, vietnamese, chinese, have just as much claim on this land as the english.... plus, they don't think they own us and they and their kids have relaxed into our way of life, just as MOST of us have. May have taken their kids to give them a nudge but in the end WE ALL FIT RATHER WELL TOGETHER... with a few exceptions.

    Refugees are NOT illegal.... under international laws to which Australia has signed up to, allow people to apply to Australia for Asylum from persecution.... it is legal for them to do this. Duh!

    Re: papers, tell me bullyboy, if you were running from a regime that may kill you, do you stop in to the regimes bureaucracy and ask for your passport or travel documents to be prepared......

    ...get a grip, you are getting sillier and sillier.

    You must remember that they did not invade OUR countries, it was our countries that went to their countries to steal what was theirs and to do that they murdered hundreds of thousands of innocents. Those that perpetrated 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia.... none were from Iraq, Libya, Syria. Why did the west not attack Saudi Arabia instead?.... well that is easy, they are friends of the West (USA in particular) and give the US control over the petrodollar and in return the West helps the brutal dictators in Saudi Arabia maintain control of the people.

    Essentially, corporate controlled nations, such as the USA and UK, used 9/11 and the deaths of those people, to terrorise the middle eastern world, when they knew without doubt that they had nothing to do with 9/11.

    What a joke.... you actually BELIEVE that the west went into Afghanistan to save the people from the Teliban... oh! please. I can't stop laughing over that one....Bringing them freedom and democracy, bloody hell that is funny.
    The US were thwarted by the Teliban because the Teliban were just as ruthless and murderous as what the US were. Both used and murdered the civilian population to terrorise them into allegiance. The US wanted Afghanistan to put a pipeline through it but have failed.....maybe they shouldn't have poured money into and trained the Teliban when the Russians tried to rid the country of the Teliban - then called the mujahideen.

    FINALLY - Saying that we should INCREASE the slaughter of innocent babies, children, women and men who are non-combatants in their OWN country from 200 kilometres of bodies to 2000 kilometres of bodies, is basically SICK & DEMENTED but I am starting to get a handle on you now.

    Anyway, here's a tissue, old son, you've got to look respectable, come on now, we can't have that froth and spittle everywhere, can we now. They will be here shortly, you shouldn't have to wait long.

    27th May 2013
    9:43am
    Sufficate I wont let you or anyone else like you hijack a thread that was about the murder in cold blood, and in daylight of a British worker going to his day job,you and the God Botherer Taschild are using this thread to support your false personal belief that Afghani and Lebanese Muslims are decent members of society,and should be welcomed to Australian shores with open arms!
    You poor,poor defenceless fool.

    Read the quotes above written by Muslims,I suppose you support Hezbollah too,they have just joined forces with the Syrian Government now,how gutless,wait until the hard yards are won then come in through the back door,now we will get more of these parasites on our shores,what would you do if they moved in next door to you Sufficate,you'd freak out mate.
    Do not take the side of a couple of murdering Muslim scum and then try and justify it on a website for older and retired Australians,they want to relax,they have worked hard to make Australia what it is and I know they would of found this murder shocking beyond belief,I will fight you post by post to defend the dead soldiers rights from Muslim/Terrorist sympathisers like you Sufficate,I defend a dead man,from crap spewing Australians sympathisers like you.

    Go back to sleeep dear boy Zzzzzzzzzzzz


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