24th May 2016

Australian politicians’ perks border on scandalous

Australian politicians’ perks border on scandalous
Leon Della Bosca

Australian politicians are already amongst the highest paid elected representatives in the world, but the perks they can claim on top of their extremely generous salaries border on scandalous.

As of 1 July 2014, the base salary for backbenchers is $195,130. According to the Parliamentary Superannuation Remuneration Tribunal, the average base salary for each Senator and Member of the House of Representatives is $199,040. Ministers receive $307,329, Cabinet Ministers $336,599, the PM’s salary is $507,338, the Deputy PM gets $400,016, whilst the Opposition Leader receives an annual salary of $360,990.

After multiple reports over the weekend of politicians double-dipping, specifically in regards to many MPs claiming a travel allowance of $273 per night whilst staying in tax-deductable second homes, the perks of being a politician have been put into the spotlight, with many claiming hundreds of thousands in entitlements on top of already generous remuneration.

Multimillion-dollar homes, chartered flights, travel allowances and golden handshakes – Aussie politicians are using, some may say abusing, taxpayer funds to the tune of millions of dollars each year.



How much does your local MP spend?

Expenditure claimed 1 January to 30 June 2015

And it’s happening on both sides of the political fence. Here’s a rundown of what our politicians currently claim.

  • On top of their generous pay packages, MPs receive an electorate allowance of between $32,000 and $46,000 per year to cover the costs incurred when performing official duties, but any unspent amount is treated as taxable income.
  • Travel allowance for official business ranges from $273 per night for Canberra stays, to $472 for stays in Perth. The PM can claim up to $564 per night for stays away from his home or government residences.
  • An official tax ruling allows ministers to claim up to $1000 per week as travel allowance, even if they stay in homes they own. On top of that, they receive deductions on all expenses for their second residence, for things such as electricity, insurance and property maintenance. Then, if they were to sell that property, it would be capital gains tax-free.
  • MPs receive unlimited business class domestic flights and a car with driver for official purposes. They can also claim their own private vehicle for both work and personal use if their electorate is 10,000 square km or larger. All overseas transport, accommodation, meals and associated travel costs with ministerial and official visits, delegations and study are also at the expense of the taxpayer.
  • Up to nine business class return trips to Canberra for the minister and their partner are covered, along with three trips for each child and three business class interstate trips for partners and children. Ministers on official business also receive unlimited travel for their partners.
  • A minister is allowed to keep gifts from industry and private benefactors, so long as they are not worth more than $300. Gifts valued at up to $750 are allowed to be kept so long as they are from a government source.
  • Up to $50,000 is allowed for office facilities with another $100,000 allowable for administration costs.
  • As far as superannuation goes, MPs who signed up prior to 2004 receive 11.5 per cent of their salary paid into super (for up to 18 years), then 5.75 per cent after. Add to that the ‘golden handshake lump-sum payments and generous pensions based on years of service. Any politician who joined after 2004 receives 15.4 per cent of their salary paid into super for 18 years.
  • Once an MP who joined Parliament before 2012 retires, they receive a Life Gold Pass for unlimited travel within Australia. Those who joined after 2012 receive severance travel allowances for up to 10 trips per year.
  • MPs who retire involuntarily get a resettlement allowance of three months’ salary plus another three months if they served for more than a full term in government.
  • And former PMs receive a multitude of allowances at the discretion of the current PM.

 

Over the weekend, Labor made the call to re-examine the section of the tax office ruling that deals with second residences, to bring it in line with “community standards”. It’s possible that this week’s criticism of political entitlements across the board may result in a broader enquiry.

Read more at www.news.com.au

Opinion: Time pollies lived within their means

The first question to ask is, “do our politicians receive too much for achieving very little?”

It may sound sceptical, nay cynical, but in the real world remuneration is supposed to be based on performance. With that in mind, the fact that our politicians are already the recipients of incredibly generous rates of pay and are able to claim so many perks on top seems almost preposterous to me.

Sure, one could argue that these entitlements are part of the cost of running the country, and many of them are, but isn’t it fair for us to ask if there is scope for reducing some of these perks instead of cutting the essential services of hard-working Australians? After all, we’re the ones who pay their wages.

The most obvious one to go after is the travel allowance double-dipping but, after reading about all the added bonuses that come along with being an Aussie politician, it seems that there could be more fat to cut from the budget.

For example, at the time of writing, a QANTAS domestic flight to Canberra can cost as little as $115 from Sydney and up to $365 from Darwin. Business class flights, on the other hand, cost $619 from Sydney, $769 from Melbourne or $1970 from Perth. A flight from Perth to Canberra takes just under four hours.

We can all do the maths, but the question remains, is it necessary for pollies to travel business class for a maximum four-hour trip? Especially when we, the Aussie taxpayer, are faced with increased health care costs, cuts to essential services, caps on super, increased cost of goods and other services? Most Australians will never sit in business class, many cannot even afford the cost of a flight to, well, anywhere. And do we need to remind our politicians that 2.5 million Australians live in poverty?

The Government preaching that we should all “live within our means” and that the “age of entitlement is over” seems rather hypocritical. Isn’t it time our politicians put our money where their mouths are?

There is an old Jewish saying of which I was recently made aware and that I’m sure many of you will have heard before: “The fish rots from the head down.” I think it’s relevant in this case.

If the Government is asking us to tighten our belts and live within our means, then it best start doing it themselves. Why should we struggle through each day when our nation’s leaders are receiving an average wage of just under $200,000 and claiming untold entitlements on top? And no one party is exempt from this criticism either.

Sure, Labor is making waves about travel allowances, but its own ministers are just as guilty of abusing this privilege as those of the Coalition. Pot calling the kettle black, anyone?

I could go on about this all day, but I’m more interested in what you have to say about the matter. Do you think these entitlements are fair? Should we have to foot such an exorbitant bill for our politicians to do a mediocre job of running our country? Should they lead by example and start living within their means? If they did, would that influence your vote in Election 2016? Should their remuneration be performance based (i.e. tied to key performance indicators such as GDP, unemployment, terms of trade, etc)?


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Bes
24th May 2016
10:25am
Quoted from History of Ford in Australia – Letter to Shareholders Canada, from Hubert French of Ford 1923:
‘The way the automobile situation is handled in Australia is a crime.’
‘With regard to establishing a plant in Australia, there are certain disadvantages.’
‘Should a company be started its troubles would be broadly classed under three headings
1 bad government, 2 labour troubles, 3 bad transportation.’
Under bad government would come the triangular fight which is going on in parliament at the present time between nationalists, farmers and labor. These parties are nearly equal in all houses and no party can hope to govern without the help of one of the other parties!’
‘The lack of security of tenure of office tends towards a weak government policy which naturally is bad.’
“Australia’s great disease is over government. Thirteen houses of parliament, six Governors and one Governor General, all appointed by Britain speaks for itself, especially when it is borne in mind that no MP receives less than 500 pounds per annum.
The population at this time was 6 million!
MICK
24th May 2016
11:58am
Great observations Bes. The problem is we need a truly INDEPENDENT arbitrator (not vested interests looking for continued work!) to make put the perks of our politicians into real perspective. Unlikely any Party will vote for that. Even Mr 'No', Tony Abbott voted with Labor for huge pay increases for MPs.
There was an interesting debate on Q&A last night. The question about one of the rorts was put to Christopher Pyne.....who fobbed off the question by stating that this would need to be looked at by the Independent Remuneration Tribunal.....the same one which all but doubled MP salaries in 3 years and which presides over the self interest sham we have. Independent? Not a chance. The tribunal is an arm government which would sack this tribunal if it did not do what the greedy bastards wanted.
"Live with their means"? Only for the rest of society but not for our political representatives.
Old Man
24th May 2016
3:49pm
MICK, do you have any idea what the Independent Remuneration Tribunal consists of? Who appoints the members? How many members there are? You post suggests that you haven't a clue and you have just gone off half-cocked once more. The Tribunal members are appointed by the Governor General and there are three members, two of whom are connected with private enterprise. As far as can be seen the members are totally independent of politics and it must therefore be assumed that their decisions are non political.

Should you choose to reply to this post MICK, please stick to the facts and the subject because I'm over your bullying tactics and your need to switch subjects when you are presented by the facts of a discussion.
MICK
24th May 2016
5:09pm
Always nice to get a serve from you Old Man and complaints about "bullying". You sound like a genY with a new word to push.
Perhaps just for once YOU can provide more information rather than the your normal demands for others to provide you with justification.

Re: the 'Independent Remuneration Tribunal'

You think that independent means independent? I hate to ruin your day but the big end of town is interconnected and there is no such thing as 'independent'. Just looking after the mates. I had a look at the current members:

1. John Conde - sounds ok.
2. Ewen Crouch - a Fellow of the Australian Institute of Company Directors (AICD) and much more.
3. Don't know who the third member is.

Whilst I like to be fair it is clear that with some of the decisions we are seeing are the same leap frog games which are played out at company AGMs where CEOs continually are given huge pay increases.

Not sure if this is a case of vested interests. The question really is do the members of the tribunal also contract for government work...and win the contracts. What do you say? You seem to know a fair bit about this?
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
5:18pm
MICK, I don't think I have agreed with you too many times over the last couple of years BUT, WHOARRR, I do on this one mate.
Old Man
24th May 2016
6:01pm
Thanks MICK, you have provided nothing but an opinion based on God knows what again plus your usual bit of personal putdown. You have inferred that two of the members of the Tribunal are taking backhanders without any shred of evidence. I still maintain that they are independent of government and will continue to do so until I am shown otherwise.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
8:03pm
Once again, this tribunal should be filled by popular vote.

Put your name and creds up for public scrutiny and let's see who the people feel should determine the pay and perks of their politician servants....

I doubt some bloke from the 'institute of company directors' would get a look in.

BTW - the GG would most likely only sign off on a list of names presented - not actually draw the names out of a hat - now there's another good idea.... send your name on a slip of paper to Peter Cosgrove for selection from the hat...
MICK
24th May 2016
10:13pm
Old Man: Instead of your usual demands for proof please come up with your own. The issue which should be being discussed is THE MONEY TRAIL. If you think that a so called 'independent' tribunal is fact then why did this tribunal almost double federal MPs pay packets when they would be fully aware that Australian politicians are the best paid on the planet?
Independent? Are you serious? Please provide the proof that the 'Independent Remuneration Tribunal' is independent. The evidence says no.
And for the record carry on like a disaffected 5 year old in the school playground if you like. I'm not buying.
Radish
24th May 2016
10:31am
I would seriously doubt that no more than a few politicians would want "any" change to their entitlements.

Being on the "gravy" train is too good...so why would they change anything!
MICK
24th May 2016
11:59am
A closed shop.
particolor
24th May 2016
12:04pm
About time you got here to sort them out Mick ! :-)
I think the Perks are making them Purk ? :-)
moke
24th May 2016
1:22pm
Gravy train sounds good but I have seen better behaviour with pigs at the feeding trough than or politicians. If only we could put them on the same basic income at others perhaps they would learn how to behave (but how many would show their criminal sides)
Gra
24th May 2016
3:07pm
The way our politicians are portrayed as pigs with their snouts in the trough is incredibly apt. They aren't just satisfied with having the best conditions, they milk them for all they are worth and when challenged, become very indignant. My local federal member got so uptight about it when he was taken to task over claiming the travel allowance I thought he was going to punch someone. According to him the fact that he stays in a home in Canberra his wife owns and then has the temerity to claim the full travel allowance is all above board and voters have no right to complain about it. He feels it is all quite OK that voters are paying for a house in his wifes name that no doubt he will benefit from too. Politicians do the same for me as Laxettes do.
Jurassicgeek
24th May 2016
10:33am
Time we reigned in the "Snouts in the Trough Brigade"......we need to make the trough smaller or cut off the snouts..
MICK
24th May 2016
12:00pm
So vote for an Independent. Both sides cringe at the thought...because accountable government would occur. Independent senators is the only thing which prevented the unprecedented attack of Abbott inc. from becoming legislation.
moke
24th May 2016
1:25pm
if we made the trough smaller they would just cut the numbers and some would miss out but the top fat cats would remain and still have their snouts in the trough and get the same amount. Cant teach old dogs new tricks and this lot know them all already
Lci
24th May 2016
10:41am
This is a disgusting use of taxpayers money which would be better spent elsewhere. why should pollies get a travel allowance to and from work? we dont! why should should they travel business class and not domestic? why do partners get included in travel allowance?they could stay home or pay their own way. why should they get all the deductions for second residence and not pay utility bills? I think pollies go into parliament for these wroughts and personal gain rather that being for the people. think of how much would be saved and put back into areas that are needed
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
11:32am
I agree 100% Lci, and I would like to see just ONE Australian TV station, show ONE ounce of GUTS, and ask Malcolm Turnball ONE question in front of the camera.
The question is, THE AVERAGE AUSSIE'S PAY, STOPS WHEN HE STOPS WORK....... AN AUSSIE POLLITICIANS pay continues till he dies, is that FARE?....When Turnball says, that is determined by an independent tribunal, the interviewer says, "Yes I know that, but the question was do you think it is fare"? "Come on you SOOK, Yes or No"?
Also, make it Turnball's first question without notice in his whole life.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
11:41am
Hardly an independent tribunal - a panel loaded with old mates who in turn have their salaries paid by government. Now if it was a publicly elected body........

About as independent as the late unlamented but costly royal commission.... which netted one shady deal between a manager and a Union man.... but only ended with the Union man charged....

Yeah - that's independent.....
MICK
24th May 2016
12:02pm
Straight from George Orwell's Animal Farm: "all pigs are equal....it's just that some pigs are more equal than others".
Gra
24th May 2016
3:09pm
All good points Lci. Nothing will change though when you have the people affected making the decisions.
FrankC
25th May 2016
8:50pm
A few months ago, my wife and I were returning from Townsville, in economy class, and who should sit down next to her but Bob Katter. Now there's someone who doesn't believe in rorting the public purse.
Retired Knowall
24th May 2016
11:08am
The only way this will change is if the general public organise themselves based on their respective electorates. This needs to start at the Marginal Seats, get a commitment from the parties standing for election, target the major parties and unseat the sitting member sending a message to whoever is elected that if things don't change, they will be unseated next election.
It takes a bit of organising, but with the use of social media anything is possible.
So, who wants to join the Revolution?
MICK
24th May 2016
12:03pm
Maybe. I still say vote in Independents and put the cleaners through both sides. The media taking up this issue would help too. Not much sign of that.
Darts44
24th May 2016
11:20am
Is there any organisation to fight peacefully to change all that? let me know, would like to joint. What about the GEO of the post office, around 4.5 millions $ a year and the post office is losing money. Can we change all that . How?
particolor
24th May 2016
11:58am
Only one way out, Postage Stamps UP to $3.. :-)
MICK
24th May 2016
12:04pm
Independents. Not Liberal or Labor candidates!
Hairy
24th May 2016
11:26am
It's been going on for years doesn't take a genius to work it out.brown paper bags been around for years.big companies donating anything from cash to favours.lately it's lawyers donating cash from mafia.travel rorts wife's renting houses back to their husbands and relatives.polies kids using gov cars like taxis.retired polies with office secretary and car gold cards for travel a pension nearly ten times that of an ordinary pensioners and they can end up with this in only ten years .these maggots are a drain on our budget but don't expect it to change because most voters are just sheep
John
24th May 2016
11:30am
You have got to be joking the telling of your body to work till the 70 and there are just ripping ripping off the system it is ridiculous how much money they get here absolutely ridiculous when this people living on the streets in the carlike me over three years and I'm looking at these bastards is absolutely disgusting sack the lot of them.
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particolor
24th May 2016
11:34am
And sack all them that aren't performing that Sex act too !! :-) :-)
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
11:37am
You are right parti they are not performing that Sex act, they are up,,,,,,,,,, themselves.
particolor
24th May 2016
11:47am
Ill bet this don't stay here long Simmo ! :-) :-)
MICK
24th May 2016
12:06pm
That's what you get John when you play be their rules. My medicine is clear but I fear Australians are too brainwashed for the most part to understand the psychology to unwind the duopoly which we have.
Gra
24th May 2016
3:13pm
Pity the moderator didn't do something to make the comment understandable.
particolor
24th May 2016
11:30am
Barnaby's Travel allowance alone is a Years Old Age Pension ! :-)
And I didn't know we elected his family for over 12 Grands worth of Freebies ? :-(
particolor
24th May 2016
11:51am
AY ? Where's my Postage Allowance ??
Concerned Politician.. :-(
Old Man
24th May 2016
4:02pm
Be fair particolor, the rorts apply across the board, not to just the one politician you choose to name.
Richard
24th May 2016
11:31am
It would be a big mistake not to reward politicians generously. Firstly it would be difficult to attract good people to this important vocation if it were badly paid on top of being insecure of tenure and underappreciated in general - if you are a politician bad luck if you are looking for someone to thank you, or tell you you're doing a good job. Secondly, when power goes insufficiently rewarded you can expect greater levels of corruption. Some people think that anyone can be a good politician. They vote for Pauline Hanson or Clive Palmer or Jacqui Lambie. Time and time again the failure of populists shows just how difficult it is to be a successful politician. Calling for politicians to be poorly paid misses the point. It smells of envy and opens us up to poor government. And Henry Ford was a gross anti-semite and right wing bully. Good businessman but not someone to whom I would give credence on the subject of good government.
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
11:35am
Richard, the whole world knows you are a cousin of Malcolm Turnball's, so give it up.
particolor
24th May 2016
11:36am
You can have any Colour Government as long as its Black !! :-) :-)
particolor
24th May 2016
11:48am
Quick Screen Shot it !! :-)
Tom Tank
24th May 2016
11:49am
The issue Richard is not being poorly paid it is the associated perks they enjoy in addition to salary. This "double dipping" of living allowance while still being able to claim a tax deduction on the home they live in while in Canberra is a disgrace.
Why should they get all those free trips as well as a very generous pension upon leaving Parliament?
They are actually well paid but, as we know only too well, that hasn't given us the best people in there.
They say "pay peanuts you get monkeys" well they are paid a lot more than peanuts but there are quite few monkeys in there.
particolor
24th May 2016
11:54am
We are Sick of Nibbling Nobbys nuts and want Salters nuts now !! :-) :-)
Richard
24th May 2016
11:57am
You are right Tom, there are some monkeys. And they should be weeded out at the election. You know, being a successful politician isn't just a job, it is a vocation. You don't just work at that role, you have to live it. It is one hell of a personal sacrifice, akin to building your own business. So do we want to attract people who are capable of doing stuff and making a positive difference to our lives? Not a good start if you start penny pinching.

You are right. There are some monkeys. But there are some really good people in the Australian parliaments too. People who are doing a heck of a good job. Wouldn't it be good if we could reward them appropriately, and value them accordingly.

I don't resent politicians being well rewarded. I only resent them when they prove self-serving - and then I vote against them.
MICK
24th May 2016
12:14pm
Really Richard. You ignore the old adage which says 'if it don't work stop doing it'. Clearly Liberal/Labor is not working.

You state "it would be difficult to attract good people". I am not sure that many pollies are "good people" of any sort. Many are little more than puppets doing what they are told.

You malign Independents but leave out pollies like Ted Mack and Nick Xenophon who are remarkable examples of good government. Also, your sling at Lambie ignores the fact that she is working for her electorate and she will stand against bad legislation which the puppets will rubber stamp. Even Hanson was not as bad as the politically correct make her out to be. She was wrong about the Vietnamese community (which is fairly benign) but I might suggest we need somebody like Hanson to end the do-gooders bring in millions of Islamic people. this has been a disaster in every nation on the planet and I am glad for somebody to tell it like it is rather than play the music which do-gooders want to hear whilst they lock our nation into internal conflict in the future.
A vote for an Independent is a vote for proper government and I personally THANK the cross bench senators for blocking the bad bad legislation which was little more than this government's Class Warfare being acted out.
KSS
24th May 2016
1:37pm
The Independents are all on the same payment plans as any other politician. Just saying!
JAID
24th May 2016
1:57pm
Mick's early points are valid in my opinion but we do also need to reward politicians appropriately, careful as Richard suggests in a manner that respects the importance, the value of the vocation.

More important than the money is the quality of service that we get for it. The depth with which one issue is addressed can be vastly different to that of another or by another member. Likewise, one's approach to their electorate in suppport of a good connection can be as different to another's as the size and difficulty of getting around it. It is important that somehow the resources be available to support premium quality response.

A reasonable base income may be necessary but a mechanism which supports the extra which some put in while perhaps impossible to correctly define would be ideal. The 'entitlements' and compensated costs are however a mechanism for dealing with some of the extra that one may require compared with another. I think it is necessary that these be largely maintained. With that the only alternative we may have could be to reduce the waste remaining, in reducing base pay rate and more tightly defining expenditures which are in the nations interest. Not an easy sounding task.
MICK
24th May 2016
2:33pm
Fair comment JAID. The trouble with both sides is that they are beholding to big business which sends election funding their way. It's not free. That is the problem but how else do the morons we vote in get elected other than on the Party banner?
Yes, happy to reward good politicians. That would not cost us very much at this point in time though.
Old Man
24th May 2016
4:10pm
MICK I agree with lionising Ted Mack but please don't mention Xenophon in the same group. Xenophon has carefully slipped under the radar for years, telling the media how poor he is and how he has such a struggle to keep being a senator. He has claimed that this election that he has to mortgage his home to fund his campaign and this may be so but he forgot to mention that his new party stands to gain about $2M from the electoral commission in payment for votes. He also forgot to mention that he has 5 houses.
Misty
24th May 2016
7:13pm
Well Richard I sometimes think Jacquie Lambie is the only sensible person in parliament and after all no one is forcing a politician to stay, they knew what they would be in for before they became elected so I don't want to hear the likes of Mathius Cormman whinging about having to leave his family and home to work in Canberra, quit if you don't like it.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
8:08pm
"Pay peanuts and you get monkeys."

(Trebor-Translation) - "Pay monkeys too many peanuts and all you get is more monkey guano."
MICK
24th May 2016
10:22pm
Old Man: Mack was a right wing conservative. Is that why you approve?

Re: Xenophon
The reason why you likely do not like Xenophon is that his Party is standing on "honest and accountable government". What does that say about you and your beliefs? If you have not already done so have a look at:

https://nxt.org.au/

I have tried to be fair with you but it seems you are just another right wing hack trotting out the propaganda.
Old Man
25th May 2016
12:06pm
*sigh* No MICK, I don't respect Ted Mack for his politics but for the way he dealt with the way North Sydney Council was run and the way he reduced a lot of wasteful expenditure. I respect him because he resigned from the State parliament one day before he became eligible for a lifetime pension and the way he resigned from the Federal parliament the day before he became eligible for a lifetime pension. His actions showed that he wanted the job to do something for his voters, not to increase his wealth.

And there you go again, putting inferences in where there is no inference. I have not written nor inferred that I have an opinion on whether I like or dislike Xenophon yet you do your usual bull at a gate response and read into my post something that isn't there. If you can't read properly, please get someone to help you.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
11:39am
It isn't just the super percentage that counts - it is the system under which it is eventually paid, meaning each one is virtually ensured independence for life. All of the perks currently received are perks nobody else gets unless they an insider with a big company, and there is no need for a politician to be supported on exit, not only with a pension for life, but also with another handout job to 'compensate' them for losing their seat or retiring.

Nobody else gets their super/pension for life if they lose a job or quit mid-stream, and this is nothing more than self-enrichment out of the public purse.

The conditions for all politicians need to be made equal - same travel rights, same pension rights and so forth first - then there needs to be a full review of all entitlements.

We have an amazing array of 'ministers' and 'deputy/assistant ministers' - many of whom are duplicates, and all of whom cop the fatter salaries for doing what is essentially getting a bunch of servants to compile papers and figures etc, then sieving it through the Party machine for doctrinal purity before putting it out for public consumption.

Two clerks could do the job......

Where is the work value in that which requires $6k a week or more?
particolor
24th May 2016
11:45am
You said it TREB ! :-)
MICK
24th May 2016
12:15pm
Great TREBOR. The issue is the package....which is totally removed from the rest of us.
Old Man
24th May 2016
4:15pm
"Nobody else gets their super/pension for life if they lose a job or quit mid-stream, and this is nothing more than self-enrichment out of the public purse."

Nor do any of the politicians who were first elected to parliament on or after the 2007 election TREBOR. It's misinformation such as this which confuses readers of this site. Those elected prior to 2007 will still get a pension as soon as they leave because they were elected under the old pay system which was based on the retirement pension being a part of their package.
MICK
24th May 2016
10:25pm
The pollies were pushed into changing their entitlements in 2007 when Howard had little choice given public backlash. But maybe let's have a look at the package. Not exactly comparable with anybody else in the nation even now is it.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
11:36pm
Should have been made retrospective and dependent on whether or not the recipients were getting remuneration elsewhere... how many 'board members', 'ambassadors', and 'visiting professors' on nice little earners and more super lovely are out there and are receiving a 'parliamentary pension' as well as full income, often from several sources - way above what the ordinary person can ever hope for?

No 'need' whatsoever to feed any of them out of the public purse when they have no need for it - and they should only get it if they are out of work and are past retirement age, same as everyone else.

I just finished work - tonight I sent an application in for another job (just moved up the coast) - I have to declare all my income and my pension is adjusted accordingly, as well as tax taken out.

Explain to me how a politician deserves a total tax-free run out of the public purse for life, even when copping mega-remuneration elsewhere?

It's not exactly as if they saved the country, is it?
Happy Jack
24th May 2016
12:08pm
This goes to show the double standards of the politicians in this country. Whilst these lousy loafers have taken money off pensioners through legislation they hide their greed under the camouflage of a supposedly impartial tribunal when it comes to taking big increases in their so called entitlements. And all of this on top of a salary of nearly $200,000. And now, Tumbles Turnbull wants to give he's mates, and don't forget he will also receive a huge benefit himself, a bloody tax cut. What a joke.
Darts44
24th May 2016
12:13pm
All above BLa Bla Bla, for nothing. No action, just lot of wind. Ha Ha.
MICK
24th May 2016
12:17pm
And I suppose you vote Liberal or Labor? Take some action yourself. Vote the bastards out. That will put the fear of God into them.
I thought so!
TREBOR
24th May 2016
1:43pm
How do you know, Darts? 'OOOOOW do ya KNOW?
Bonny
24th May 2016
12:20pm
It's a thankless job so they deserve every penny they get.
particolor
24th May 2016
12:35pm
THANKLESS :-) :-) :-)
I think they are getting thanked very nicely thank you very much !
MICK
24th May 2016
1:26pm
Especially you Bronny.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
1:48pm
Ohh - what I wouldn't give for just one day of THAT spit in the face! Regular jailer's pets, they are.... wonderful race, the Politicians...

Bonny - always good for a laugh.
Bonny
24th May 2016
2:01pm
They would have to pay me a lot more to be a pollie.
Anonymous
24th May 2016
2:28pm
Bonny, "pay you a lot"?! That's a real change after you telling people to sell their house to pay for the pension. You are one one who keeps saying you don't need the pension and it is not an entitlement, so why don't you offer your services to these gluttonous government grunters for nothing? Put your actions where your mouth is.
MICK
24th May 2016
2:35pm
Bronny: you are or were a pollie. Now engaged in what is known as 'services to the (Liberal) Party. That is what many of the old hacks do and probably what is expected of them.
Nowhere to run Bronny.
Bonny
24th May 2016
4:07pm
I have never been or wanted to be a member of a political party let alone a pollie.

Yes I think people who get the pension should have to pay it back from their estate. Those HECS debts should also be paid back from one's estate. That is only fair to everyone.

The house should also be included in the assets test to stop all those inequities as well.
Jannie
24th May 2016
6:57pm
Bonny are you joking??????????????????????
Anonymous
24th May 2016
8:20pm
Jannie, don't be surprised by this person's (Bonny's) comments. The great majority of the time they are utterly ridiculous, just like above. She is certainly not fooling anyone with her phoney altruistic financial comments supporting the Treasury Department. I have never heard such foolish pecuniary pretences from someone of an age to be on this site. A bit of comic relief until such time she dismounts or falls from her high horse. In the meantime, knowingly or not, she has a lot of people laughing at her.
MICK
24th May 2016
10:27pm
Bronny: only somebody NOT on a pension would peddle your view. I still maintain you are an ex pollie.
AJS
24th May 2016
12:21pm
This is why nothing from either sides when they are in power is for the good of the nation. It is only about being popular to get re-elected to keep getting the perks, and making sure that they get enough years of service to enjoy their life long payments. If any of them were any good at business they would be working in private enterprise which pay CEO's etc lots more than even the PM's wage e.g Australia Posts boss.
"CEO of Australia Post, Ahmed Fahour, earned (that's probably the wrong word) an unprecedented $4.8 million last year. It made the ABC's Mark Scott's $800,000 look miserly and made him the highest paid postman in the world, ten times higher than the top US postman who runs a business 20 times larger."
That makes me sick too.
Bonny
24th May 2016
12:34pm
That's why I now don't post letters.
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
12:46pm
Yeh AJS, and to make it worse, Ahmed Fahour gave $2million to his local Muslim Mates. Therefore he can live on a measly $2.8 Mill, cut his salary back to that.

I still reckon a Triumph Tiger 100, will beat an AJS.
Captain
24th May 2016
5:28pm
Young Simmo, my 1935 Triumph Tiger 350 would not beat anything but after 80 years it is still going (just slowly).

BTW, I think that politicians pay rate is OK, however their after retirement/loss of office payments should be stopped. As has been written earlier, if you lose your job you stop being paid by your ex _ employer.
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
5:47pm
Yeh Captain the 1952 all alloy Tiger 100 was a beauty, I had it around 1957-8-9. I did have a 1935 350 side valve BSA with Girder front forks during the 1960s as well.
Captain
24th May 2016
7:28pm
Young Simmo, I bought my 350 side valve Triumph in 1967 and used to ride it but too dangerous on the roads these days, very heavy, too slow to accelerate and side of tank gears. It still runs but I only start it up once in a while. I think I am getting a bit too old to effectively hold it up. Maybe one day my son will want it
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
7:48pm
Yeh Captain, and that oil stain on the cuff of our Bell Bottom trousers from the leaky oil gauge was a give away. No matter where you went people new you had a TRUMP.
Anonymous
24th May 2016
11:22pm
Young Simmo, you have just mentioned the "M" word above and have put yourself in a very vulnerable situation of being critical to the 2% of the nation's very vocal minority. So be very careful of what you say, even if it is the truth, because people don't like to hear bad things and that is why they put their heads in the sand and close their eyes. This prevents these "blind" people from seeing the problems getting bigger every day.
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
11:39pm
Fast Eddie, yes and that 2 % will quickly become 30% or 40% like England if we don't smarten up our ways. The warning signs are there, and the opportunity is there, we just need some above average intelligence type Politicians to set the rules. They
"Ms" wont hurt me with 10 minutes or 10 years to go, but I feel sorry for the coming population.
Darts44
24th May 2016
12:28pm
Do anyone know more about Flux.? https://voteflux.org/
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
12:38pm
After voting for the Libs every time since 1958, it is time for a change. After watching Derryn Hinch last night, I am going to vote for the JUSTICE PARTY.

Justice in sentencing


Bail reform


Parole reform


Domestic violence law reform


Equality


Animal justice


Public register of convicted sex offenders


Voluntary Euthanasia
particolor
24th May 2016
12:46pm
And in the case of the Present Politicians, Involuntary Euthanasia by Poll !!
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
12:50pm
Yeh Parti, I have a special building with an 8th floor and easy access lined up. No pain is all gain in my book, and the suckers can suffer.
MICK
24th May 2016
1:27pm
Ask how the preference are being redirected.
Old Man
24th May 2016
4:26pm
There are reasons why all of those things are as they are now Young Simmo. It's because each and every person appearing before a judge or a magistrate is different, the crimes are different and the victims are different. A number of factors needs to be considered before a decision is made and those charged with making that decision are those who have spent a life's work in the law.

Politicians can change a lot of things but they should not become involved in how a judge arrives at a decision. A public register of sex offenders is fraught with danger as it will mean that a sex offender will become a target for locals who want to take the law into their own hands. Are you aware that if a 14yo boy has consensual sex with a 14yo girl that he is then a registered sex offender? Do you really want that child to have his name out there in the public domain?
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
4:58pm
Old Man, If I have misread your comment please enlighten me.
BUT, I assume you are saying, it is OK for a child rapist who has done it 3 times, to get out and do it again. I could give a lot more examples but will stop there. If we had a few Vigilantes in this country, and half a dozen Judges and Magistrate had their home addresses made public it would be a fairer world.
WOW, how long will this last?
Old Man
24th May 2016
7:40pm
No Young Simmo, you have not misread my post although it seems that you have chosen to ignore the first paragraph. Your comment suggesting a lynch mob is exactly why sex offenders should be allowed anonymity.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
8:15pm
. There is also the sneaking suspicion in the backs of the minds of a few genuine magistrates and judges that they are being hood-winked (again) by the police - so they will hand down a lesser sentence and a finding of guilty rather than be publicly criticised by the police association(s), the media, and even the public for 'being soft on crime'.

When we have a 100% honest police and magistracy and judiciary, and your laws and legal process have 100% integrity.....- then you can talk about justice.....

Until then I am reminded that Wyatt Earp went to war with officers of the law for their wrongdoings, and did so in order to establish the Rule of Law ... and the old argument is 'law and order' and which should come first, and how it should take place.... The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance knew that in the end a law book was no good....

First stamp out wrongdoing in ALL areas - then talk about the rules....
Ayin
24th May 2016
12:55pm
Our current system is an epic fail but do the Australian people have the guts to change it? We have a huge debt yet no real plans of retiring it. While we have a deficit all extra perks and aid funding should be suspended as too the refugee intake. Allow migration of only those who can add value to this country's growth. I see no reason why we should pay for even 10 flights a year for ex politicians?
ex PS
24th May 2016
2:33pm
Do you realise that most immigrants that have become milionaires in this country were penniless when they arrived?
MICK
24th May 2016
2:40pm
The comparison between migrants in the 50's and those now is like comparing apples with oranges.
In the 50's we had plenty of jobs, were drying out for workers and entrepreneurs. And immigrants had a work mentality.
Today many of those who come under the guise of refugees are unable to work because we have no jobs, do not want to work because social security is a life choice and do not want to integrate.
As an immigrant who came to this wonderful country with my parents I like so many others have done my bit and contributed.
There is a difference between then and now. I get a bit sick of this football being kicked around by politicians who understand the difference.
Biddy
24th May 2016
12:58pm
I have said this all along,if they want us to tighten our belts then it should start with them,how is is possible that they can get all of these perks and justify the spending which is tax payers money as they feel fit,it should start with the Prime Minister then it filters through the rest of them no matter what party,how can they expect us to forgo everything when they can live like millionaires it's not right,after all it's tax payers money that they are using not their own,and at election time they come out of the wood work promising us that they will do more for us if we vote for them they have a hide like a elephant,and they line their pockets at our exspence this is shameful,if we have to watch our spending then they shoul also do the same and then we might just believe they are working for our benefit,until then all their spending should be looked into nothing left unturned,I for one cannot believe this has gone on for so long,no wonder they like their position as poloticans ,because they can milk the system for their own benefit,some of the benefits they receive are so unfair it hurts ,it's about time this ends and they live like we have to,and pay their own expenses and not depend on the tax payers to keep them in the comfort they are use to shameful tactics ,no wonder they can come up with these crazy ideas and tell us how to live and what we should be doing when all they do is rip off the system themselves ,if we were caught doing the same we would never hear the end of it disgusted with poloticans
Nascar.
24th May 2016
12:58pm
SIGN THE PETITION ABOUT THIS ON CHANGE.ORG
Retired Knowall
25th May 2016
5:18pm
Already have, and passed it on to everyone I have in my address book.
The extra you can do is make up pamphlets of the article info and distribute it around your neighbourhood. The desired outcome is to unseat the sitting member, whichever party they belong to send the message that we are in charge....

24th May 2016
1:08pm
The GREAT MAJORITY of politicians are greedy, gluttonous, lay-about, lying, sycophantic, egotists who would sell their mothers in order to be re-elected. They are not worth their salt and are lower than snake shit in a wheel track.
MICK
24th May 2016
2:43pm
I think you just about covered it Eddie. Whilst Frank our resident troll may be surprised at me saying this I did have high hopes that Turnbull would bring some accountability to the government. Instead he is out there waving his arms around crying 'Bill Shorten' with every phrase he utters perpetuating the blatant lies which are so entrenched in the Liberal Party. I am suitably disgusted.
Anonymous
24th May 2016
3:11pm
MICK, Malevolent Turnaway is about as effective as a fart in the wind. The guy couldn't run a bath, let alone a government. Everything he says just adds to his slimy performance like that of a snake oil salesman. His promises aren't worth the bad breath it takes to spruik them. Bloody pathetic, just like the rest of his LNP bozos.
MICK
24th May 2016
4:14pm
Slimey pretty well covers it.
Between Turnbull, Morrison, Corman, Pyne and Bishop you have a pretty slimey lot who are good at turning around any argument. The problems is that reporters are not fast enough on their feet and do not have the guts to hit them with the lies they are pushing. Even Leigh Sales got rolled last night be Julie Bishop who just carried on like a parrot crowing the same rhetoric. Sadly Sales did not retort with the 'double the deficit and $100 billion more net debt' as she should have to shoot down the 'economic credibility' lie. And then "jobs and growth" was let go as well: there are no jobs so there will be no growth!
I can understand why people lose heart. Ordinary Australians just need to remember what happened after the last election and tune out. Nothing different this time around....but what happens after the election will be the same. Mass lies and amnesia about promises!
TREBOR
24th May 2016
8:20pm
Hold on, Eddie... I think you left out a couple of things there..... "would auction off their grampa's wheelchair if it could turn a dollar".. "have the presence of a whale fart" ....

Just a couple... there must be more....
Bes
24th May 2016
1:10pm
HOW DID WE GET INTO THIS CRAZY SITUATION?
When the Coalition showed their true colours you got angry and elected the ALP.
When the ALP/GREENS showed their true colours you got angry and elected the Coalition.
When anyone (or other Party) suggested to you that NEITHER Party is looking out for YOUR best interests….you say they can’t be trusted and it would be crazy!

BUT the real definition of CRAZY is doing the same thing OVER and OVER again
And hoping for a different RESULT!
WAKE UP AUSTRALIA!
particolor
24th May 2016
1:36pm
I voted for Neither on Either Occasion ! So don't blame me !
I voted Independents who were Elected,That was until the Scums picked on them ! :-( O Dear !! We are Stuffed !! :-( :-(
MICK
24th May 2016
2:45pm
As I keep saying Bes VOTE INDEPENDENT (with a Labor preference). That way we stop the game. Any other way it never ends!
Pamiea
24th May 2016
1:18pm
None of it is fair. In fact its a real joke and an insult to Australians. Give them nothing when they retire and nothing means NOTHING. Surely they have socked away enough during their working life. They may provide a service to Australia (which is clearly questionable) but isnt every person working providing a service to other Australians. Quite frankly I find their benefits disgusting and insulting to all Australians and the sooner it is ended it won't come quick enough. Cant someone start a party that ends rorting by Politicians?
Pamiea
24th May 2016
1:18pm
None of it is fair. In fact its a real joke and an insult to Australians. Give them nothing when they retire and nothing means NOTHING. Surely they have socked away enough during their working life. They may provide a service to Australia (which is clearly questionable) but isnt every person working providing a service to other Australians. Quite frankly I find their benefits disgusting and insulting to all Australians and the sooner it is ended it won't come quick enough. Cant someone start a party that ends rorting by Politicians?
particolor
24th May 2016
2:08pm
Please Explain !! :-) How does someone on the Basic Wage, Sock it Away ? :-) :-)
Sarc.. :-)
MICK
24th May 2016
2:46pm
You would be running the country by yourself Pamiea if that was the case. I think that bring entitlements in line with the rest of Australians is the more pertinent way forward.
Waldi
24th May 2016
1:23pm
To make a change to politicians high salaries and perks please sign a petition here:

https://www.change.org/p/house-of-representatives-stop-payments-for-non-currently-serving-politicians?source_location=petitions_share_skip

And send the link to as many people as possible. THE AGE OF ENTITLEMENTS IS OVER FOR POLITICIANS!!
Misty
24th May 2016
7:20pm
Is this petition still going?, I signed it a couple of months ago and in an update I thought the lady who organised the petition was giving it up as a not enough people were interested.
Pamiea
24th May 2016
1:25pm
Bonny you must be off with the fairies if you think they deserve what they get. Get real girl.
MICK
24th May 2016
2:47pm
Bronny posts a lot of the government's BS as do a few other 'posters'. Bronny may be off with the fairies but maybe ask her about the helicopter rides.
ex PS
24th May 2016
1:31pm
Do the politicians deserve the lurks and perks they are getting?
It hurts me to say this, but yes they do, they are the current terms of employment, they undertook the position with the expectation that this is how they could plan their futures. Is it right, no, is it fair, no, but it is an expectation of the position.
That does not mean that these conditions of employment should not be re-assessed and changed to reflect modern standards. any changes should not be retrospective just as changes to pensions and Super should not be retrospeactive.
Much the same as most of us have railed against the changes of conditions for retirees we must be fair and apply the same conditions to politicians as we do to ourselves. Even though they do not show us the same respect.
Bonny
24th May 2016
1:36pm
That's exactly why that change.org petition will fail. It needs to worded differently.
MICK
24th May 2016
2:49pm
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one ex PS.
Pollies, Company Directors and CEOs all have one thing in common: their entitlements are dishonestly assessed with no public input. That is what happens when you have ultimate power.
Old Man
24th May 2016
4:42pm
I agree with you ex PS as will most reasonable people but there are things pollies do that doesn't pass the "pub test". Take for instance Bishop's helicopter which was wrong morally. Take Gillard arranging an RAAF flight to Tweed Heads as well as accommodation to attend a staffer's wedding and claiming it as work because she announced some road funding which had been announced some 15 months earlier. *please feel free to keep adding other rorts* If an official trip is used then payment should be pro rata if anything of a personal nature is tacked on. EG, Gillard spent the weekend at a wedding but only 1 hour making the announcement so 47/48ths of the cost should have been borne by Gillard.

Maybe it's OK for Ministers to enjoy business class but surely not ordinary backbenchers, especially in flights of less than 4 hours. Why do we have the anachronistic family reunions which harks back to the days when cars were the main means of transport and families were separated for lengthy periods. How can a pollie expect taxpayers to pay for airfares three times a year for family holidays when we have to save up for them.

If politicians are to continue to claim for living in Canberra and paying mortgages or rent or electricity or things we all pay, then they must include the $273 per diem allowance as income because that allowance is supposed to cover all of those things in the first place.
MICK
24th May 2016
10:30pm
If you intend to troll Old Man then lets have a prolonged discussion about helicopter rides and Bronny. You are showing your colours again.
Old Man
25th May 2016
11:56am
@ MICK, the Labor supporter and well known troll, spreader of misleading information and bully, please explain why you have chosen to ignore what Gillard did and wish to argue about what Bishop did. Surely an Independent voter, as you claim to be, would be happy that both sides of politics were named as rorters and the rest of the post doesn't favour either side of politics.

I wonder if I had mentioned Hansen-Young as a rorter by using her travel allowance to fish refugees out of the Mediterranean Sea whether this would have made a difference to your response. Maybe you are not a Labor supporter but a closet Green. You're certainly not an Independent voter.
ex PS
25th May 2016
5:07pm
I think politicians should apply one simple rule that is based on common sense, "just because you can do something ,does not mean that you should do it".
No one can force you to take advantage of an unfair rule, this is something that you decide for yourself and in doing so you expose your true character to the potential voters.
MICK
25th May 2016
8:19pm
Old Man: I call you out. Whilst you claim bullying and misinformation you post BS for your party. Let's go back to Malcolm Fraser and the dismissal shall we. Get the point!
Readers are interested in what THIS GOVERNMENT is doing, not what was done 2 governments ago. As for Gillard she told one lie whilst Tony Abbott has a list as long as your arm which ALan Jones conveniently ignores. So funny that.
For the record and as I have said many times I SUPPORT NEITHER SIDE. If you cannot accept that I support accountable, honest and fair government for ALL Australians then you either misconstrue the truth or are unable to accept that some people have morals and cannot support dishonest government for the rich by their puppet government: the LNG.
You posts are generally offensive in their claims and attacks which hold no water and meant only to throw mud. Stick to the facts! From this century, not the last one.
KSS
24th May 2016
1:34pm
I have no problem with either the level of salary or the superannuation for MPs. In fact if you compare their salary to those of senior civil servants they are often seriously underpaid. A good example in NSW is where some council General Managers are paid more than the Premier and the same thing happens in Canberra. Or as someone else said, the CEO of Australia Post $4.5m salary.

Nor do I have an issue with Australia picking up the tab for their work-related travel and other costs. After all that happens in just about any company. However, I do wish there were the same level of accountability for the 'expenses' that most companies have. I don't believe they should be allowed to claim travel first class on short flights and every dollar spent should be accompanied by receipts, like the rest of have to do. I do object to the funding of family visits. After all in today's technology they can stay in touch with families just like all other workers who go away to work do e.g. those in mines, off-shore, armed forces etc and who cannot use taxpayer funds for a nice little holiday every now and then - never mind first class all the way.

The real issues I have are the continued payments, after they have retired or left office, over and above their pensions. Continuing to fund their offices, staff, travel and so on is ridiculous. Most pick-up speaking engagements, write books, obtain consultancies or other paid work. They are no longer a representative of anyone but themselves, therefore, as far as I am concerned they can pay for all of their own expenses from their generous pension or earned income. If they are entitled to claim work related expenses against tax like the rest of us, well so be it. But other than their pensions, the Australian people should not be funding their lifestyle - and that of their families until their death.
particolor
24th May 2016
1:46pm
Well Spoken :-)
leonYLC
24th May 2016
2:32pm
100 per cent KSS
MICK
24th May 2016
3:27pm
KSS: You need to read the following:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/judith-sloan/super-rules-favour-politicians-not-the-rich/news-story/998582fbd5fe42a4f52c7cd975f87fcb

Start reading about half way down where it begins "Now you may wonder who in parliament earns more than $300,000 a year.....".

The article details just how unfair the deals pollies have awarded themselves are. The calculated value of an MP's retirement package is around $6 million (as of 14 months ago). And the contributions are 15.4%, not 9% like the rest of us get. And as if that is not bad enough judges and senior public servants are not affected by changes made to superannuation which reduce benefits for the rich. They are 'special'.
On top of that you get all of the add-ons you mentioned and more. Fair? I hardly think so.
KSS
24th May 2016
3:41pm
Mick, you need to re-read my post!

And just so you know, there are other 'workers' who get more than 9% super as part of their employment package. Good luck to them too.

You may begrudge anyone on a higher salary than you (or better working conditions including super) but I do not.
MICK
24th May 2016
4:17pm
I am retired KSS so do not get a salary any more. My issue is not "jealousy". It is equity, or rather the lack of it. That is the problem we all need to confront.
So who is getting more than the 9%? List the culprits so that I may gain wisdom.
Misty
24th May 2016
7:22pm
Totally agree KSS
KSS
25th May 2016
8:02am
Culprits Mick!?

The super guarantee rate is currently 9.5% minimum.
https://www.ato.gov.au/Calculators-and-tools/Super-guarantee-contributions/

And where I work pays 10%.
MICK
25th May 2016
9:48am
10% and 9.5% are for all intense purposes the 'same'. Let's talk 15.4% as for pollies.
Waldi
24th May 2016
1:35pm
I wrote an email to the local Labor Member for Wills the following email:

Dear Honorable Kelvin,

We, the ordinary Australians, believe that the 'age of entitlements' for the Politicians is over and therefore urge you to sign the petition as per the link below:

https://www.change.org/p/house-of-representatives-stop-payments-for-non-currently-serving-politicians?source_location=petitions_share_skip

Why the politicians are entitled to the v. high salaries and super and they keep big remunerations when they retire after just few years in the office while other Australians have to seek for the job and wait until the retirement age for the pension?? Why!!??

If you care about Australians and Australia please sign the petition to stop non serving politicians to receive big salaries when they are not working anymore.

Thank you for your attention.

Yours sincerely,

Waldemar Kruk

Please do same and write to your local MP's for them to know what the world they are living in as compared to the ordinary citizens world of sweat, uncertainty and anger!
particolor
24th May 2016
1:42pm
Dear Waldi
Your letter in now in 5 Billion pieces in our State of the Art Cross Shredder.
Thank You for your Concern ! :-)
Bonny
24th May 2016
1:45pm
If you read that petition no current pollie is going to get rid of their entitlements.
ex PS
24th May 2016
2:39pm
Maybe if politicians had exactly the same pension and Super conditions as the average Australian they would not be so quick to make negative changes?
MICK
24th May 2016
3:31pm
Check out the following link Waldi:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/judith-sloan/super-rules-favour-politicians-not-the-rich/news-story/998582fbd5fe42a4f52c7cd975f87fcb

It's not the salary. It's what is described in the article as "possibly the most generous superannuation scheme in the world". There are so many special conditions for precious pollies that it make ordinary citizens want to puke.
Scrivener
24th May 2016
2:27pm
Yikes! Crazy thing is they are all prima donna drama queens addicted to power and would probably pay us to do the so-called 'job'. It appears they do little else other than make 'hard choices', anyway. I think we all do that. Do I eat today or pay to see the doctor about that painful lump that's getting bigger and bigger. Still, we are mostly pensioners, we don't need to eat.
jackie
24th May 2016
3:12pm
In the real employment sector most of these politicians would have been sacked. All perks and benefits should be stopped for them. They forget they are rich welfare recipients themselves.
MICK
24th May 2016
3:40pm
leon: strange the normal trolls are not present. I smell something a brewing and a new attack coming.
I can't wait for the next plethora of front bench thugs to start every sentence with the words "Bill Shorten" and make every accusation in existence against the Opposition whilst hurling around their 3 word slogans. "Jobs and growth" this time around. Stop the boats" last time. 'Labor now illegal' next time around. Election time is so silly........
Bonny
24th May 2016
4:08pm
Who is "Bill Shorten"?
MICK
24th May 2016
4:18pm
Ask any LNP member who is currently campaigning. The person who they refer to in every sentence they speak!
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
4:40pm
Bonny, Bill Shorten also known as POTATOE HEAD, is a former union boss who decided he could retire with $20 million instead of $1 million, by simply becoming a politician.
Old Man
24th May 2016
4:46pm
Thank you Bonny, a few words that speak volumes.
Bonny
24th May 2016
4:47pm
I never want to hear of him then.
Misty
24th May 2016
7:27pm
And Young Simmo, Bonny and Old Man, while you are busy throwing insults around let me add a couple more Tony Turnbull and Tony in a bettersuit, guess who?.
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
7:44pm
Misty, even though we have never met I'll bet a beer to a brick that you are a blond.
Misty
24th May 2016
8:34pm
Young Simmo if we ever meet you will owe me that beer, sorry to disillusion you but in my younger days I was a brunette, sadly old age has caught up and salt and pepper now and after your comment I am wondering if you might be a blond too.
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
9:08pm
No Misty I put a grey tint in my hair these days, you win, I must be more careful.
MICK
24th May 2016
10:34pm
It would be nice if posters could stick to discussion rather than name calling. I do from time to time stick it to the bastards but always give a factual account first. Trolls just bring up BS, much from the far distant past, and then slur without facts. We see a lot of that from a handful of trolls. The culprits never change.
bj
24th May 2016
3:45pm
I dont know personally any pollie who is worth what they are paid. And then all those extras, meal allowances, cash for staying in their own houses, plane trips and the forever pensions. They want to cut the pensioners payment and dole, but they cant live with out all the perks they get. They squabble in parliament like spoiled brats and they get paid to sh-t sling at each other. They all get elected by their promises, and they soon go down the drain. They are the big time CON men!
Darts44
24th May 2016
3:49pm
So far i see 3 organizations worth having a look at it ,to do something concrete,
democratically, peacefully.
No bla bla, no wind, no just ventilating your anger, grievance.
https://www.change.org/p/house-of-representatives-stop-payments-for-non-currently-serving-politicians?source_location=petitions_share_skip
https://www.getup.org.au/
https://voteflux.org/
Do you know others? Thanks
Old Man
24th May 2016
3:59pm
It is interesting that all politicians, regardless of party, have ducked this issue by claiming that the decisions are out of their control. There was one time that a politician stood out as regards an increase in pay and that was Rudd. He deferred the increase when he was in his first term as PM and made a lot of noise about how good he was with the public purse. He was less than transparent when 6 months later the pay rise was put into place and, surprise, surprise, was backdated to the original approval.

Much has been said and written about the suspected "double dipping" but there is an interesting comment from the ATO about the perceived rort. The comment is along the lines that it is OK to claim the expenses that are being claimed BUT to do this when a tax free allowance is received then the allowance must be shown as income. That makes sense and if true shows that politicians are in fact illegally evading tax.
trired
24th May 2016
4:09pm
The TOTAL ANNUAL SALARIES (for 150 seats) = $41,694,311 - PER YEAR!
And that’s just the Federal Politicians, no one else!
Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, John Howard, Paul Keating, Malcolm Fraser, Bob Hawke, et al, add nauseum, are receiving $10 MILLION + EXTRA at taxpayer expense.
Politicians should no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Politicians pay should rise by the lower of, either the CPI or 3%.
1. Scrap political pensions.
Politicians can purchase their own retirement plan, just as most other working Australians are expected to do.
2. Retired politicians (past, present & future) participate in Centrelink.
A Politician collects a substantial salary while in office but should receive no salary when they're out of office.
Terminated politicians under 70 can go get a job or apply for Centrelink unemployment benefits like ordinary Australians.
Terminated politicians under 70 can negotiate with Centrelink like the rest of the Australian people.
Happy Jack
24th May 2016
4:29pm
IS THAT THE SAME TRIBUNAL THAT'S GOING TO RULE ON SUNDAY PENALTY RATES?
MICK
24th May 2016
10:46pm
Probably.
HS
24th May 2016
4:52pm
The 1999 ruling says that MPs can deduct expenses including “lease payments; rent; interest on borrowings used for the acquisition of the property; rates; taxes; insurance; general maintenance of the building, plant and grounds”, as long as the property is not regarded as a second residence.

“A deduction is also allowable for depreciation of plant used in connection with such a property,” the ruling states.

OK, but surely this applies only to the portion used for employer (government) related work, NOT PRIVATE usage, doesn’t it?
MICK
24th May 2016
10:47pm
Think so? That would be fair.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
11:44pm
So it's OK if it's a third or fourth residence? Just asking.... (emoticon needed but implied).....
bebby
24th May 2016
4:57pm
I notice there is a positive approach to elect Independents for a fairer government. My worry is that if they are elected how do we know that they are also waiting for their turn to hop on the gravy train like our present lot. It could be out of the frying pan into the fire.
HS
24th May 2016
5:20pm
You don't know, but check to which political party their preferences go to.
MICK
24th May 2016
10:49pm
The only answer to that bebby is to remember what Abbott did AFTER the election. Betrayal deserves hard love! And I cannot ever remember any government breaking the number of promises the current lot did. And it was no accident!
Charlie
24th May 2016
5:04pm
I don't mind them having perks, provided they put their job first and the perks second.

They need to have the self discipline to do this, if they are in a self regulating job, or things start to get out of hand.

Too often the opposite happens and fake work is created for the purpose of using up available perks.

It seems that they need to be turfed out every second term to remind them of what they are there for.
Young Simmo
24th May 2016
5:32pm
So Nova Peris has decided to retire. I wonder if she has just slipped into that wonderful luxury retirement for Pollies time of service bracket. Getting paid for nothing the rest of your life, would not be hard to take. If I am making a wrong assumption, and she walks away with nothing I apologise.
MICK
24th May 2016
10:50pm
She is apparently going to another (government) job.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
11:45pm
Yes - no dole queue for the poor darlings in the senate or the house..... just have to be found a nice little earner so they can wait out their super and then cop it....
FM
24th May 2016
5:37pm
Jacqui Lambie, Glenn Lazarus and Dio Wang all supported pensioners and retirees and voted against all cuts for pensioners and self funded retirees. Nick Xenophon supported cuts for retirees on defined benefit pensions along with LABOR. I am not sure how others voted. I commend the Independents Senators who stood up for what they believe in even when it meant they are to be subjected to a double dissolution which may mean some of them will not get back.
HS
24th May 2016
5:48pm
FM go to this website, it will tell you who voted for and who voted against increasing the age pension.
https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/policies/28
FM
24th May 2016
5:50pm
Thanks HS
MICK
24th May 2016
10:53pm
If we had not had the Independents on the cross benches then we would now have a raft of new taxes compliments of Tony Abbott. Voters need to look at the history rather than the BS from both Parties who are scared of a change from the electorate. Donald Trump ain't being pushed along by voters for being a nice guy.
FM
24th May 2016
5:49pm
The members of the Independent Tribunal are CEOs who themselves enjoy and have enjoyed levels of remuneration that are in a different stratosphere to that of ordinary Australians. They would consider politicians' salaries very modest in comparison to their own. The Tribunal Board should be extended to include some ordinary working people on average salaries who can make a more realistic determination of the comparative worth of politicians .
HS
24th May 2016
5:57pm
Very good observation FM. Including some ordinary working people on average salaries ought to bring some balance against the biased.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
7:58pm
Should be a board filled by a public vote.... Joe Bloggs might get a look in there.... I'd love to see one member a part-time casual who's copping $300 a week income sit on that Tribulation (sic).
MICK
24th May 2016
10:55pm
Totally agree FM. That is the only way to break up the club. Don't expect the establishment to have a bar of that. You remember what happened to Industry Superannuation Funds. The ones whose returns were beating the retail funds? The current government got rid of union representatives on them.
Old Fella
24th May 2016
6:29pm
I found it intriguing how Leaders and Senior Politicians of all persuasions, all deflected direct response to the questions put to them by the media recently on the 'Rorts' available to Politicians with a unanimous and echoing joint response on how "The Independent Tribunal and the Tax Office sets the monetary rewards available to Politicians." Not one response recognised that these generous authorities were appointed and funded by Parliament. Not many Public authorities will bite the hand that feeds them nor deviate from the best interests of their employer despite claims or promise of independence.
MICK
24th May 2016
10:57pm
Pyne last night on Q&A deflected the same line of questioning to the 'Independent Remuneration Tribunal'....which is not available for interview. An out. They refuse to answer because they cannot give an acceptable answer.
FM
24th May 2016
6:31pm
Good and informative article Leon. The claims for just six months are truly staggering. When you look at everyone else's claims it is no wonder Bronwyn Bishop felt she did not have stood out of the crowd for her helicopter jaunt.
MICK
25th May 2016
8:22pm
A real arrogance from all of them. That is the problem with absolute power.
I respected Nick Xenophon, who came onto the 7:30 Report tonight, and stated that his Party would declare any donations received immediately. With the major Parties the public has to wait for up to 19 months with nothing more said until February 2017. The election will be over by then. How convenient!
Misty
24th May 2016
6:59pm
Especially don't agree with them being able to claim electricity etc costs as well as all the other perks.
Happy Jack
24th May 2016
8:00pm
Would Jacqui Lambie please catch a boat and emigrate to N.S.W. I'll tell you what- she'll get my vote. this is a fair dinkum Aussie if I've ever come across one. The other bludgers are ripping it off those who can least afford it; pensioners and self funded retiree's to boot. And I'll tell you what- I've got a great package between my legs just waiting for her arrival though I don't like my chances as there's plenty of competition because all the fair dinkum Aussie guys reckon she's shit hot ( pardon the language )
right up there.
MICK
24th May 2016
10:58pm
We need pollies who are not lying cretins. I'd be thinking Lambi was worth a vote. Not the best pollie on the block but I like honesty.
Happy Jack
24th May 2016
8:17pm
Hey Mick! Where's Hanky Waving Franky and germsjerk69? haven't heard from these guys for quite some time. Don't tell me they've gone into hiding!
Still, I suppose you can't blame them, what with the dismal performance by Tumbles Turnbull's along with the sheer bullshit, our illustrious treasurer, Moaning Morrie's uttering, whilst rothing at the mouth. Fair dinkum, that bloke's lips move faster than a fly hovering around a dirty horses arse. He just goes, on and on.
MICK
24th May 2016
11:01pm
Yeah. I suspect that they are at Party HQ working on the next strategy. "Labor Debt' was the next outrageous accusation which surfaced on Nine News tonight. This is one of the stations pushing the right wing wagon heavily and not disseminating news from propaganda. Does that sound like supporting your man? Does to me.
I might expect Frank the crank and his avatars to show up tomorrow spouting the above headline. I can't wait.
TREBOR
24th May 2016
11:49pm
I noticed the absence of a few on another politcs forum I inhabit.... oddly enough, the styles are somewhat similar.... can't think why.....

I'm awaiting:-

"Strategic Jobs Blueprint!"

"Technology and innovation!"

"Strong Border Policy!"

"Steady Economic Control!"

"Integrity Unlike Labor!"
TREBOR
24th May 2016
11:50pm
Funny that the LNP doubled that alleged debt in three years... not a bad effort.... but their excuse is that Labor set it in place and that dirty unwashed Senate wouldn't pass their fixes for it.... so it's no their fault in any way......
MICK
25th May 2016
9:43am
That appears to be the storyline. I find it amusing that the LNP is running its campaign throwing mud and claiming that Labor cannot manage the economy. This government is the kettle calling the teapot black on that issue. Totally unable to manage the economy other than send money to the rich and tax everybody else.
Gee Whiz
25th May 2016
8:24am
A great article by Leon Della Bosca. It shows the depths to which our politicians will sink to fill their own pockets.

What it also shows is that departments like the "remuneration tribunal" are staffed by stooges provided by the politicians themselves. What a joke.

And maybe Mr. Della Bosca could also inform us of the pay politicians also receive (over and above all other remuneration) when appointed to a committee, or a board of inquiry.

One story coming out of Canberra is of a pollie appointed to the committee to "standardized rail lines throughout Australia". This committee met every six months for one hour and each committee member was paid $30,000 a year. One member was on the committee for over fifteen years.

Can anyone confirm this?
MICK
25th May 2016
9:44am
Nothing would surprise me with this government. Jobs for the boys should be its election cry.
Vee
25th May 2016
12:10pm
No matter how much we rant or rave the politicians wont change anything on either side of the political spectrum. One day people will realise that they have the power to change anything they want within their government. Already there is a petition going around change.org to bring changes to politicians payments and the perks they receive. If enough people signed it and began to reinforce it to their representatives then change will happen.
Most people do nothing more than complain or are too apathetic to do anything. We do have power to make changes. We have something that major corporations, industries and government members hate - the Internet that give us the power to do anything. Stop complaining and do something about it. Your choice. But I think most of you just complain and that's about as far as it ever goes.
Misty
25th May 2016
12:42pm
I signed that petition a couple of months ago Vee.
Gee Whiz
25th May 2016
12:57pm
Vee.
I sign a lot of petitions coming out of Change. org. They are one of the few organizations that get the inside running on the corruption that infests our politicians.

Neither of the major parties will receive my vote in the coming election. That's about the only personal protest I can make against this bunch of grubs.

And I also tell my family, relatives, and friends not to vote them.

In the social circle I move in there is a groundswell of unbelievable anger against Turnbull and his useless government.
Mike
25th May 2016
12:42pm
Hockey called disabled rorters and smashed the retirement plans of an estimated 560000 retirees and soon to be retired. The truly wealthy havnt been touched but he attacked the hard working middle class. Those who worked and saved for their retirement. Meanwhile he and Bronwyn Bishop and many others continued their snout in trough living the high life. Since the labour party has also turned its back on the working and middle class, I will now support the Nick Xenophone team. After all, can they be any worse.
MICK
25th May 2016
8:25pm
Pretty right. Xenophon is similar to Ted Mack who was an honest politician who took nothing. Very few of our elected representatives are in the same class.
I hope that Xenophon gets a few candidates up. This would be good for the country.
Priscilla
25th May 2016
1:03pm
All politicians should have the same superannuation and retirement entitlements as the rest of the community. Once they are no longer politicians all their perks should cease. Considering the incompetence and damage they do to the country their salaries should be heavily reduced to help the economy recover.
jamesmn
25th May 2016
2:30pm
turnball and Barnaby Joyce should be held accountable we have a government in caretaker mode at the moment turnball should not be eligible to use the military jet he has been using with his propaganda crap that comes out of his mouth if he told the truth he would turn over in his grave
Misty
25th May 2016
5:46pm
Be a bit hard jamsman when he is still alive don't you think.
MICK
25th May 2016
8:27pm
Not a grain of honesty in the current LNP government from what I can see. Just cretins who are puppets for vested interests who have sold their souls for their retirement benefits.
MD
25th May 2016
2:32pm
So the Pollies have been diddling and thereby 'pork barrelled' the rest of us it seems. Now it's the voters who are squealing about the pollies porcine habits and demanding they're due for the pork chop.
Politics has become a nightmare for politicians of all/any persuasion because everyone, but everyone and/or their collective or faction expects a greater portion of the swill from the public trough.
Look at the developments over the past few decades, each of which is considered beneficial to a segment of the population: and supposedly thereby ultimately the entire population.To name a few; Paid Parental Leave/Maternity Allowance,Baby Bonus, Disability Support Insurance, Negative Gearing, greater funding for private schools, oh I could go on & on interminably.
Now I wonder whether annually the majority of wage earners realize a tax return, is this as a result of maybe, just maybe, a little bit of diddling ? Whats sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander perhaps ?
We're supposed to be a democracy, which I would contend is not the case, it being compulsory to vote and one vote does NOT have one value (preferences).
An earlier post mentioned a figure of Politician Cost's as being somewhere about $42M annually. I've no idea what the cost of a Referendum would be, but surely not $42M. As we 're a supposed Democracy then let's put the matter to a plebicite. Elected Representatives are supposed to represent their electorate therefore let the voters decide the essence of a draft for a Referendum to Determine Politicians Entitlements and further to consider scrapping the Independent Review Tribunal.
Now although highly unlikely; were this to eventuate we might then be one step nearer true democracy and to celebrated how about a fly-over - by a squadron of pigs no less. Oink ??
MICK
25th May 2016
8:30pm
Your list would not exist if we had bilateral support rather than class warfare. I cannot see an end to the mess until we have a severe depression where the bastards cannot keep behaving the same. Waiting for that one. Coming.
MD
26th May 2016
8:27am
If we consider history then in the event of "severe depression" then I seriously doubt that anyone will "(behave) the same",either willingly or to be forced against their will. I shudder to think, we should be careful what we wish for.
Ricken
25th May 2016
7:58pm
Came across this comment below in the course of my internet travels. It is so disgusting. When I first started I worked for 4 years for a government department. Was wondering if I get an annual stipend for the rest of my natural life for doing so. Hasn't show up yet 50 years later. Why would anyone work if they got paid for life once they had done their 4 years? Talk about putting the inmates in charge of the asylum. They don't vote it in ....I hear you say....no the judges do and they have their noses in the same trough.

This is actually beyond disgusting:

Charlie Griffin · Musician at Self Employed (Business)
"Our politicians are also saying : “The Age of Entitlements is over”.

How can our politicians rob pensioners of their income?

The pay structure/perks of Australian politicians is even less sustainable.

Proposals:

1. Scrap political pensions. Politicians can purchase their own retirement plan.
2. Retired politicians to participate in Centrelink.

3. Politicians to receive no salary when they’ve left office.

4. Our politicians to get an Australian Age Pension when they qualify.

7. Funds allocated to politicians' retirement funds to be returned to Consolidated Revenue.

8. Politicians no longer vote themselves a pay raise.

9. Politicians to lose their privileged health care system.

10. Politicians to equally abide by all laws to which all Australians are subject.

The Australian people did not agree to provide perks to politicians. That burden was forced upon us.

12. Serving in Parliament is a privilege, not a career.

13. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators

Salaries of RETIRED Prime Ministers and Politicians
Office
Additional salary (%)
Salary as of 1 July 2015
Prime Minister
160
$ 507,338
Deputy Prime Minister
105
$ 400,016
Treasurer
87.5
$ 365,868
Leader of the Opposition
85.0
$ 360,990
House of Reps Speaker
75.0
$ 341,477
Leader of the House
75.0
$ 341,477
Minister in Cabinet
72.5
$ 336,599
Parliamentary secretary
25.0
$ 243,912
Other ministers
57.5
$ 307,329
Shadow minister
25.0
$ 243,912

Source: Remuneration Tribunal.

TOTAL annual wages for the 150 seats in the Parliament were:

Prime Minister
$ 507,338
Deputy Prime Minister
$ 400,016
Treasurer
$ 365,868
Leader of the Opposition
$ 360,990
House of Reps Speaker
$ 341,477
Leader of the House
$ 341,477
Minister in Cabinet
$ 336,599
Parliamentary secretary
$ 243,912
Other ministers*
$ 307,329 x 71 = $ 21,820,359
Shadow ministers*
$ 243,912 x 71 = $ 17,317,752

The TOTAL ANNUAL SALARIES for 150 seats = $ 41,694,311 (Yes, that’s nearly 42 MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR)
(And that’s just the Federal Politicians, no one else!)

Politicians are paid ‘lifetime’ salaries the same as their last working year;

After retiring, the average politician's life expectancy is an additional 20 years (which is not unreasonable).

This EXCLUDES all their other perks.

20 years ‘lifetime’ payment (EXCLUDING wages paid while a Parliamentarian):

Prime Minister ………………………$ 507,338 X 20 = $ 10,146,760
Deputy Prime Minister ……………$ 400,016 X 20 = $ 8,000,320
Treasurer ………………………………5,868 X 20 = $ 7,317,360
House of Reps Speaker ……………$ 341,477 X 20 = $ 6,829,540
Leader of the House …………$ 341,477 X 20 = $ 6,829,540
Minister in Cabinet ……………………$ 336,599 X 20 = $ 6,731,980
Parliamentary Secretary ………………$ 243,912 X 20 = $ 4,782,240
Other ministers** $ 307,329 X 20 = $ 6,146,580 x 71 = $ 436,407,180
Shadow ministers** $ 243,912 X 20= $ 4,878,240 x 71= $ 346,355,040

Conclusions:

TOTAL ‘life time’ (20 year) payments, (excluding wages paid while in parliament) is OVER EIGHT HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd, John Howard, Paul Keating, Malcolm Fraser, Bob Hawke, et al, ad nauseuare receiving $10 MILLION + EXTRAS, at OUR EXPENSE, after leaving Parliament.

Should an elected PM serve 4 years and then decide to retire, each of the 4 years will have cost taxpayers an EXTRA 2½ million bucks per year, i.e. $2,536,690 per annum X 4 years = $ 10,146,760.

A 2-year retirement payment cut-off will SAVE our Aussie bottom line $ 792,201,909 - NEARLY $ 800 MILLION.

There are 150 seats in House, minus the 8 above = 142 seats, divided equally for example = 71 each for both shadow and elected ministers.

150 seats - 20-year payment of $ 833,886,220 less annual salary x 2 years of $ 83,388,622. [$ 41,694,311 x 2]

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MICK
25th May 2016
8:31pm
It's a club. They all work for themselves. That much would be clear if people sat down and thought about how things pan out and why.
MITZY
26th May 2016
11:00am
If there are only three members of this "independent" tribunal and two are from private enterprise, how can we assume they are "non=political". How many private enterprises are non-political? Are these two private enterprise members voting and therefore supporting a political party? I doubt that three members is enough to make the decisions they make which hands out more and more to politicians that are already very well remunerated. Politicians are always the winners and the rest of the nation makes do with the left-over crumbs. If there were a quarter of the hand-outs from politicians to businesses and high-worth individuals there would be a much better carve up o the "cake" for everyone.
Gigi
27th May 2016
9:13am
It seems that politicians have a 'Tribunal' but it doesn't seem to work in the favour of the Employer but the Employee which is un-Australian, ie Prices & Income Accord, circa 1983! I think a Royal Commission or perhaps at very least a white paper into the Salary, entitlements, essential running costs of a politicians electoral office & travelling costs need to have various 'test' applied (as ATO does to Taxpayers) & possibly an arbitrator when claims are made. Certainly their superannuation needs to be 'scaled' back possibly using as benchmark, criteria & proposed changes in last budget, in line with the rest of the Australian population. We need to start with Profit and Loss (P&L) to determine our Income & what are reasonable running costs, including Salary & Wages & make changes which are surplus to need.
Misty
27th May 2016
10:20am
Couldn't agree more Gigi, this should be put to each party and the one who agrees to abide by these rules would get my vote, so how about it everyone lobby your local member and Opposition counterpart,Independent and see where it takes us, 5 weeks left to do something positive.
Kaz
27th May 2016
11:49am
In not sure that member from private industry would be beneficial. We keep forgetting that politicians are PUBLIC SERVANTS, there to govern for the benefit of the Australian people. Private companies can pay what they like in accordance with the performance of the individual. The people decide who runs the country, but politicians make the rules we are governed by and whether ir not they perform, we are (usually) stuck with them fur the term. We don't need businessmen running the country whose focus is profit (or surplus). We need them to care what is in the best interests of the people and try to keep the books balanced and occasionally when a deficit is necessary, keep it to a reasonable level. We also need them to have vision - not short term strategies, as the future will be different and we have an opportunity to be at the forefront.
Auction Girl
28th May 2016
8:10am
I will stand corrected in this but I was under the impression that the renumeration for those on the "Independant Commission" was based on what is awarded to the pollies. Hence a "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours " scenario.
Tedwalker
29th May 2016
10:37am
I think quite a few new pollies start with a genuine motivation to help their constituents and the country in general, and would be quite happy to work for a modest remuneration.
However, as time goes by, they become influenced by the group and start to enjoy their pay and privileges.
Then comes the greed, and the rationalisation that they deserve these perks etc.
If every constituent told his/her member of his/her disgust, we might see some political influence over the 'Independent tribunal'.
Don't hold your breath.
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5:44pm
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