Turnbull Government handed double dissolution trigger

Australia is one step closer to a 2 July double dissolution election.

Australia is one step closer to a 2 July double dissolution election after the Senate’s second rejection of the Government's bill to re-establish the construction watchdog.

The unusual mid-April sitting was arranged last month after Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull asked Governor-General Sir Peter Cosgrove to recall Parliament for the meeting, three weeks before MPs and senators were actually due to return. At the time, the Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said Australia would head to a double dissolution election on 2 July if the bill to re-establish the construction watchdog was blocked.

The bill was re-introduced to the Senate on Monday morning and voted down 36–34, with Senators Bob Day, Dio Wang, David Leyonhjelm and Nick Xenophon all voting to give the bill a second reading.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has until 12 May to call a double dissolution election and it’s expected that the announcement will come after the Federal Budget is delivered on 3 May. 

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Opinion: Political posturing could be costly

I’m not sure whether we’re privileged or benighted to be living through the current political shenanigans in Canberra. For most of us who can recall 1975 and the dismissal of the Whitlam Government, this is the most “exciting time to be an Australian”. Certainly, the media and political commentators appear energised by what may unfold between now and 2 July.

However, I love this country and the current lack of national leadership induces a state bordering on despair. Political theatre is all very diverting, but that’s just what it is, diverting. Distracting the attention of the electorate away from the very serious challenges that confront our nation.

Apologists from the Conservative side of politics will defend Malcolm Turnbull saying he’s only had six months to put his stamp on policy or that he’s constrained by a straight-jacket imposed by the Abbott faction and the deals that he had to negotiate to secure the Prime Ministership. Sager heads, such as former Liberal leader John Hewson, point out that Turnbull should have immediately called an election when he toppled Abbott last September and while his honeymoon period was at its strongest. He could have then emerged from a February election with a strong mandate in his own right. Now, the opposing sides are, according to all the polls, line-ball and the PM’s current high-risk gamble can only be seen as a desperate last throw at securing a parliamentary majority in both Houses so as to extend his Government for a further three years.

But when the dust settles after 2 July, whichever side finds itself at the helm, Australia’s fundamental long-term challenges will not have miraculously disappeared. We do desperately need to fix the tax system so as to raise more revenue to fund the essential investment in education, research and emerging technologies that can help ensure we do become more “agile”. We must also reverse the inexorable polarisation of our society which was once held up as the world’s best example of egalitarianism (not a word favoured by contemporary politicians). 

It is a national disgrace that in the 21st century we have so many of our older citizens struggling below the poverty line and increasing numbers of homeless. And these are just a few examples of the issues that should be the real business of our federal Government.

So, call me cynical, but I’m observing the current farce in Canberra as a very expensive, last-ditch attempt by an increasingly unpopular Government to save their own jobs. And, when the tax payers have footed the bill for this political theatre, including the umpteen millions of dollars that will be spenbt on political advertising, I hope we see more long-term benefit than we have from the many years of the so-called mining boom.

What do you think? Do you understand what the ABCC legislation is about? Do you think that both Houses of Parliament should have been recalled for three weeks to apparently vote on two minor bills? Should we be going to the polls three months early or should the Government run its full term?





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    Frank
    19th Apr 2016
    10:21am
    "It is a national disgrace that in the 21st century we have so many of our older citizens struggling below the poverty line and increasing numbers of homeless. And these are just a few examples of the issues that should be the real business of our federal Government."
    Here, here!
    Let us have a government that concerns itself for the needs and welfare of the aged and let us hope the unfair, discriminatory portability changes are ditched in the process of the election of a new government.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    10:38am
    mick I think it's a national disgrace the way our politicians are behaving! Conroy (Joe the gadget man) should be sacked!
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    10:56am
    What is the poverty line? If one takes the various definitions I have seen recently defining it then I have lived below the poverty line all my life.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    11:25am
    Bonny, I think the answer to your question may be in the explanation of Poverty.
    What is poverty?
    As I understand it there are 2 types of poverty;

    "Absolute Poverty", people's basic needs such as food, clothing , shelter, running water and a toilet etc are unavailable.

    "Relative Poverty", now this is where it gets a little tricky because it involves "social justice." This is when People don't enjoy a living standard which is enjoyed by the bulk of the country.

    In Australia we tend to be more focussed on relative poverty but we are not afraid to exemplify the absolute poverty stricken to introduce an emotive tone to the argument.
    The relative poverty line is used in a country with an advanced economy. It's a little like saying "there are rich people here we want some of that wealth."
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    11:49am
    We are lucky in Australia that absolute poverty is rare, but why should we be complacent and accept ''relative'' poverty as okay, just because:
    (A) it doesn't affect ME, or
    (B) other places suffer absolute poverty, which is worse

    I guess I also lived in poverty most of my life, and at times it wasn't all that bad (It sure was when I worried about how to provide essentials for my kids!). My mother lived in poverty all her life and never once complained. She always remarked how good she had it compared to when she was a child, and to her parents' struggle.

    Does that make it OK for Australians to live in ''relative poverty''.

    NO. Absolutely NOT.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    12:44pm
    Yes it is OK for Australians to live in "relative poverty" as that's what I do.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:04pm
    Four of the above 5 responses are from our resident trolls.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    1:07pm
    So anything you are happy to do is okay for everyone, Bonny? Doesn't matter what their individual circumstances or needs. It's okay because Bonny says she is in the same situation?

    What a selfish, self-serving attitude!
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    1:12pm
    More like a person who is well satisfied with their lot in life. There is nothing selfish or self-serving about that.
    Robin7
    19th Apr 2016
    1:48pm
    when we have Australian citizens, operating businesses within Australian borders, earning personal net incomes from hundreds of millions into the billions, and paying NO TAX whatsoever, then the distinction between absolute and relative poverty for any Australian becomes meaningless.
    There should be no poverty within our borders whatsoever.

    Big Business (and business people) who evade their taxes have become the "leaners" of Australian society, the true bludgers.

    The Age Pension is insufficient. With Rates,Water and Electricity always rising by extraordinary amounts, Aged Australians struggle to stay in the homes they worked their entire lives to build and pay for.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    2:34pm
    Bonny, I too am living below the poverty line but I am happy to be part of a community which has a mutual respect for members, helps each other, and is without prejudice. It's sad that people are subject to that sort of marginalisation. I know people who have made many $millions. I don't hold that against them. I know others who count every penny and they are also valued members of the community.
    That's why I find this forum so unique. It is so unlike the world I live in.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    4:41pm
    Age pensioners have it good when one sees what some of our young people with families are struggling to live on and having to pay to full amount for everything. If the age pension is insufficient then some of our young people are in big trouble.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    5:58pm
    Bonny doesn't seem to be happy with much of anything or anyone. A bit of a malcontent.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    7:27pm
    I very happy with my lot with my only complaint being that being retired I don't get a day off.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    7:37pm
    lol, Bonny you should join a union!
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    8:41pm
    The TWU is a good one at the moment ! :-)
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    8:49pm
    What's the one for a retired self employed person? Union of Hard Knocks.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:01pm
    Pensioners belong to The Onion Peelers Union under Libs ! :-( :-(
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    11:50pm
    Yes, then you have a loyal excuse for all the tears.
    Anonymous
    20th Apr 2016
    12:47pm
    Thank you for your refreshing reply to Bonny, Frank (19th April 2:34pm).

    It's good to see that some Australians care for the community at large and respect others, rather than just focusing on themselves.

    Yes, Bonny, it IS self-serving and selfish to suggest that because you are happy, nobody else's well-being is of any importance. That's the definition of selfish: me me me and to hell with everyone else. You sound rather narcissistic, I'm afraid, because all your posts focus on how you have achieved what you want in life and suggest anyone who hasn't deserves to suffer.

    Frank is right. All people deserve respect and to be valued. The Australian way used to be ''a fair go for all''. We used to live in a compassionate and caring community. If any political party demonstrated a desire to restore our traditional values, they'd win my vote easily.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    5:00pm
    The Bonny and Frank tag team? Just long enough to log off and log back on again Frank. Pretty obvious you and Bonny are one in the same person. It must get lonely for you Frank.
    maxchugg
    25th Apr 2016
    11:06am
    I am a great believer in freedom of speech provided that what is said or written is reasonable and truthful. For this reason I usually disregard the views of those who resort to personal attack whenever they come up against an opinion they cannot defeat with logic.

    I have no respect for the views of those who refer to others with whom they disagree as idiots and I usually ignore their comments because I believe that it takes one to know one.
    Misty
    25th Apr 2016
    2:52pm
    What do you mean Bonny by saying now you are retired you never get a day off?, I would have thought being retired you would be able to have many days off unless like me you often babysit grandchildren.
    Misty
    25th Apr 2016
    3:06pm
    Bonny I am glad you also can see the struggle mums and dads are going through to bring up their families these days, what I cannot understand is why, when it comes to Negative Gearing Malcolm Turnbull is going on about how altering this would affect mum and dad investors, he with his 7 or so investment properties, I personally do not know of any young mum and dad investors who can afford multiple investment properties, most are having trouble paying off the mortgage on their family home, car, school fees and general family living let alone even think of investing in more properties, so out of touch with average voter is this government and don't get me started on the banks, everything is geared to the shareholder these days.
    Farside
    25th Apr 2016
    4:02pm
    Misty, the banks do what they do because they are for profit enterprises intended to deliver a return to their shareholders. Banking is a tough business and it's shareholders expect to be rewarded accordingly. They would not last long with out the capital to underwrite their banking activities.
    Misty
    25th Apr 2016
    4:12pm
    Maybe not Brian but they definitely would not last long without their customers either so there has to be a happy medium don't you think?
    Farside
    25th Apr 2016
    6:18pm
    True Misty, banks don't last long without customers, but where banks draw the line on service for profit is up to them. Get it wrong and the share price will quickly reflect the market opinion resulting in the directors of having a stern conversation with management; get it right and the champagne flows. Customers can only moderate this behaviour by being prepared to churn to a competitor institution.
    maelcolium
    19th Apr 2016
    10:30am
    Saving their own jobs??

    You betcha!
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    11:49am
    I hope they DON'T! They need a wakeup call.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:17pm
    More than saving their own jobs. The current bunch of lying misfits are employed by big business. We are simply paying their exorbitant entitlements.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    1:22pm
    I wouldn't call it their jobs, as they don't do anything.
    SGW
    19th Apr 2016
    1:32pm
    Oligarchs run most countries and the governments are there puppets, Australia is no different
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    8:08pm
    SWG.. Green Tick :-)
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    8:46pm
    SGW, shows our "weak" the people are. Most just sit back and do absolutely nothing to bring about change, yet are on their high heels complaining at the first opportunity. Remember Governments are a reflection of the PEOPLE, who vote for them. Voting the same old will never ever remedy the situation. Vote ALA they have good policies that are for Australia, our Country must come first and foremost. It is not Governments, but the PEOPLE who have lost sight of what is happening in our society today..
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    8:51pm
    SGW show HOW weak.............
    buby
    20th Apr 2016
    3:15pm
    well there movement in the herd, you all need to check out GETUP.
    https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/core-member-2016/election-strategy-launch/let-s-take-the-power-back?t=AneM4CRE9

    Take the power back
    buby
    20th Apr 2016
    3:17pm
    NO good voting the same ole idiots in nothings going to change and they have changed something in the way we vote, so voting in the different groups isn't going to do much, they have gotten wise to our thoughts.
    Wake UP read. and hopefully they can change something for US aussies to get our australia back, to normality. (holds breath)
    Something has gotto change!!
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    3:49pm
    buby, they are a lobby group for the ALP and partially funded by the unions.
    Misty
    20th Apr 2016
    5:26pm
    What rot Frank, it must be terrible to be so paranoid about Labor and the unions, do you look under your bed every night to make sure there are no commies there?.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    5:41pm
    CFMEU 2010/2011 $1,120,000 .
    Misty
    20th Apr 2016
    6:24pm
    Where did you get this info from Frank?, any way it doesn't matter anyone can donate to Get Up for a cause they are interested in and I am sure many Coalition supporters have done so over the years or do you know for sure Frank that this isn't so?.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    6:41pm
    I got it from the GetUp website. It took me 15 seconds to find it all I had to look for was an anti Abbott campaign.
    They were paid this money to campaign against Tony Abbott. That is a big donation, I think the biggest they have had.
    Misty you are a rusted on Labor supporter. I am a neutral observer who hasn't voted for a long time because of the voting system. So many voters get their vote taken from them and given to another candidate. This is unfair. It is criminal.
    buby
    20th Apr 2016
    7:25pm
    Frank at least they are finding out some facts.
    The GetUp community just launched a groundbreaking report: "Closing the Caribbean Connection". It exposes the gaping loopholes exploited by corporate tax dodgers – and the policy solutions to shut them down.

    It's already making headlines, picked up by Fairfax, the Guardian and more.1,2,3 And we just got word, the report's lead author has been invited to appear at a snap Senate Committee hearing tomorrow on corporate tax dodging.
    Misty
    21st Apr 2016
    10:46am
    Rubbish Frank, I have been a big admirer of Malcolm and expected great things from him as he seemed a more Centre of the Road person then the other Coalition leaders but he has been a huge disappointment so he won't be getting my vote, why is he still sticking to Tony Abbott's policies, why can't he be a true leader and have the gumption to say "Blow the lot of you I will do things my way", then we might at least know what he stands for, I am sick of wishy washy leaders with no vision or answers just the same old same old.
    Adrianus
    21st Apr 2016
    1:59pm
    Misty, I understand your frustration. I also feel that way. The fact that Turnbull has had to resort to a DD is an indication of how difficult the job is, given a hostile Senate.
    He cannot afford to have the right wing members offside with a hostile Senate because they will walk and that is the last thing he would want.
    I would like to see how good he can be with more influence in the Senate.
    Negotiating is about give and take with the outcome being fair compromise. Sometimes the outcome will not please everyone but may be good for the country.
    He wanted the job because he thought he could make a difference. As happens with many of our PMs, we hire them to do a job and then we criticise every move they make. I know we didn't hire Turnbull but we overwhelmingly approved of his party's choice. Ask me who I would invite to a dinner party and I would pick Turnbull.
    If asked who I would want as PM I would say Abbott.
    mangomick
    21st Apr 2016
    2:22pm
    Misty I shared a similar view to yourself as for Malcolm Turnbull's ability. Unfortunately his own Party is his greatest drogue. A drovers dog could run the country when they have numbers in both the upper and lower house. A mark of a good leader and statesman though is to present fair legislation to the upper house and have the ability to compromise if necessary to get it through the upper house.You have only to look at the figures showing how the population votes to show that any party in power today does not alone represent a large majority of the population and earnest bi-partisan compromise is required if they truely want to lead Australia forward.
    Rod63
    19th Apr 2016
    10:31am
    Hear! Hear!
    Johno
    19th Apr 2016
    10:34am
    Our political system is indeed broken! We have a bunch of self-serving idiots running the country. That applies to both major parties! The wealthy get richer while older folk and families continue to struggle. Nick Xenophon's party will get my vote in SA. Wasted vote or a protest against a system that is sending Australia down the gurgler?
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:19pm
    Worse than being idiots the current lot are lying bastards. The reality is that both sides are entrenched and this lot has made it harder by introducing changes so that it will be harder for Independents to get in. I would have thought the way to go would have been for AUssies to rebel and vote in Independents.....but with a Labor preference in this election.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    10:00pm
    Independent Yes ! but Not with a Lab or Lib preference ! My eyes are still suffering from their last Welcome Sign :-( :-(
    Travellersjoy
    19th Apr 2016
    10:44am
    I think they are not just wanting to preserve their own jobs, but also to protect the IPA placemen they have put onto the public payroll in positions of power and influence, the tax free status of their big business backers, the flow of wealth from us to them, the control of legislation that further decimates our democratic heritage.

    The LNP/IPA Coalition are shamelessly indifferent to the suffering they create. Asking them to care is as useful as expecting the wolf to consider the rabbit's wellbeing. At least wolves only kill when they need sustenance. Capitalists are a really nasty case of financial obesity for which they don't want a cure. Voracious!
    Scrivener
    19th Apr 2016
    10:55am
    Damn! Got that right.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    11:50am
    Yes!
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:21pm
    Interesting that there are many even higher paying jobs in the public service after politics...which they slot into. What a scam. And of course they have their entitlements as soon as they leave politics no matter what job they take. That is a casino!
    SGW
    19th Apr 2016
    1:36pm
    Bronwyn must be laughing all the way to the bank, after getting her perks
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:36pm
    Did she get the helicopter as well?
    Anonymous
    20th Apr 2016
    9:10am
    Of course she is. These people (politicians) have no conscience.
    Scrivener
    19th Apr 2016
    10:54am
    I had TV on yesterday and because Scott Morrison was exhorting something or other I turned the sound off and switched on the radio - to the Beatles 'Fool On The Hill'. Says it all.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:06pm
    And I copped " Someone left the Cake out in the Rain" :-(
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:35pm
    Are you sure Morrison was not singing "You ain't nothin' but a hound dog" to us all?
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:38pm
    He aint never caught a Rabbit:-(
    And He aint no friend of mine !! :-)
    Richied
    19th Apr 2016
    10:57am
    This is simply political strategy. Of course they are trying to save their jobs - unfortunately that's generally what all politicians do (this isn't unique to the current ruling party).

    Labor called an election in March 1996 (up to eight months before required) as a political strategy - and lost. And then in August 2010 (six weeks later than this upcoming one), again for political gain - and won.
    Wstaton
    19th Apr 2016
    12:20pm
    There are three reasons they want to save their jobs.

    1. Financial - Want the generous pay, generous perks and ultra generous Pensions.

    2. Power - These tend to be mainly people who have the finances but want the power being a politician especially if they are a minister or prime minister.

    3. Both.
    Richied
    19th Apr 2016
    12:23pm
    Yep. Have just finished watching House of Cards. Very revealing, even if the writers say it's only fiction.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    11:00am
    The double dissolution is a procedure within the constitution used to break deadlocks between the houses. Labor and the Unions have white anted the Senate and captured the hearts and minds of the inexperienced independents. These independents who lack any real sense of the damage they are causing by clinging to Labor, rather than discussing issues, will soon be booted. Has the prick with ears done anything useful? Not even the dirty backroom deals done with Labor will save them! They're not listening now, but they will hear when the people vote.
    Scrivener
    19th Apr 2016
    11:06am
    Mmm! Not the only ones with tin ears I see. Some also have blurred vision and stochastic attention spans. Hard to be prefect, Frank. Ain't it? I tried. Didn't work at all. I think this will attract reasoned argument like flies to a watermelon. Might be an idea to provide verifiable evidence for these claims. I looked and couldn't find any - but then, as I said, I'm not perfect either.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    11:52am
    Thank heavens the Independents have blocked some of the LNP's most damaging proposals. Heaven help us if the LNP get control and push their cruel and destructive policies through.
    Tom Tank
    19th Apr 2016
    11:57am
    Ah Frank I am sorry but your political bias is showing with statements like that.
    Our political system is based upon the Westminster system with an upper house which is supposed to act as a house of review in that it examines closely the actions of the lower house who make the laws.
    If a party that controls the lower house also controls the upper house that function of review is a joke as our current party political system would ensure that the majority in the upper house would do what they were told. This applies irrespective of which party was in power.
    In my opinion is a particular party was to win control of both houses then the upper house should be shut down for the live of that Parliament as it would ever be a rubber stamp and as such worthless.
    Thankfully those independents you maligned Frank saved Australia from the outrageously unfair policies of the Abbott government.
    The history of Australian politics show that seldom have a party controlled both houses at the same time. Because of this we have benefitted from mush better government.
    Perhaps an open mind would let you see this Frank but I don't hold much hope for that.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    12:03pm
    Get real Frank, you are looking at things with a one eyed view, some of the Cross Bench are more in touch with what Australians want then either of the major parties, mind you I did say some not all and I expect many will be voted back in anyway and then we will be back to square one again. I don't believe the Coalition have a clue about what the majority of Australians want or how to deliver it, Malcolm Turnbull has turned out to be the biggest disappointment of the
    of the century, I was expecting big things from him and have got a big fat zero so he won't be getting my vote now either.
    Wstaton
    19th Apr 2016
    12:38pm
    It seemed to me that the cross bench mp's who voted against were putting their jobs at risk by doing so. These are the people we want who voted according to their conscience not political expediency.

    These are just the people we need there. It would seem that some people in this forum believe that anyone voting against a bill are automatically assumed as voting for Labor. Not sure what goes through their heads obviously weird though processes.

    The Senate is not a rubber stamp for the lower house's policies as it would become if one party had control of both. What would the point of having it then. Heavens forbid if Abbott had control whilst he was there.

    Also Tom Tank I keep hearing that our system is based on the Westminster system. From what I remember the House Of Lords is an un-elected upper house of the privileged whilst ours is elected.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:23pm
    The normal right wing propaganda from Frank the crank. How much is the government paying you to troll Frank? Luckily nobody believes your BS as it is a part of the government lying campaign to deceive all of us.
    ex PS
    19th Apr 2016
    6:40pm
    Frank, why don't the filthy backroom deals between the LNP and big business get a mention. It seems labor and LNP are the same animal, just being fed from different sources.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:34pm
    If you watched the 7:30 Report tonight ex PS you will have noticed that the story about the federal ICAC calls end with the comment "Labor did not favour such a policy either". That pretty well implicated both sides. That is why Australia needs a CORRUPTION WATCHDOG which has powers to prosecute all manner of corruption in high places: unions, multinationals and funding sourced by the LNP from the big end of town with the normal buddy payback arrangements.
    buby
    20th Apr 2016
    7:22pm
    Mick i have notice you put out a bit hot wind as well!!!!
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    9:22pm
    I tell it like it is. And I offer solutions. As voters we have the ability to punish crooked and dishonest governments.
    Have you forgotten Tony Abbott's election promises already buby?
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    9:42pm
    MICK, buby is right. I think you should not get so worked up about this election. I know its your job.
    maxchugg
    21st Apr 2016
    6:58pm
    The senate is supposed to be a house of review, and thank heavens for it during the last few years.
    I can't bring myself to vote for Labor in the House of Representatives, so will vote Liberal. However I will also vote Labor for the Senate because I want the Senate to remain as an effective house of review rather than the huge rubber stamp it would be if the Liberals control both houses.
    Scrivener
    19th Apr 2016
    11:00am
    Oh! And why the hell has politics in Australia become a contest between top and hard hats. Who took us there? That's not Australia. Can't any pollie, anywhere, see Australia? Australia put them there. Its not smart to lose site of that. Australia knows when hubris, arrogance and self-interest govern.
    Richied
    19th Apr 2016
    12:15pm
    It hasn't become that - I contend it's always been that contest. And then there's the majority of us, somewhere in the middle :-)
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:28pm
    Easy. Coalition government are effectively big business governing the nation. THEY ARE IN CHARGE! And the elected puppets do as they are told.
    Remember what happened to Turnbull when he was leader and supported climate change policies? Gone faster than a Ferrari with the keys in the ignition parked in Auburn.
    Labor? Unions play a big part but Labor does rule for the nation. That's why we have health cover for all, public schools and hospitals for all, the NBN, etc. You would NEVER NEVER get any of these from a coalition government.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    1:47pm
    Yes Mick Super, Medicare etc were Labor initiatives not the Coalition.
    Ted Wards
    19th Apr 2016
    11:23am
    Hold all the elections you want. We have no decent politicians in this country with real ideas to solve issues. Yet keep on going the way we are us tax payers have an unlimited capacity to work and pay for all of this. Accountability is what has always been missing and until its an issue we will get what we vote for.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:29pm
    So be smart and vote Independent with a preference to whatever main side you support. There's an old saying: IF IT DON'T WORK STOP DOING IT. I fail to see that Australians are so simple that they cannot see this.
    Scrivener
    19th Apr 2016
    2:33pm
    dunno about that mick. Did you see the bubble heads crowding around that idiot film star. They only had two brain cells between them. Hell they probably are old enough to vote too. What did I fight for? There are lots of Australians who are too simple to see this.
    marls
    19th Apr 2016
    4:46pm
    Vote for a party that will put Aust laws. Culture and people first independent Aust Liberty alliance, rise up Aust party, Pauline Hanson
    Patriots etc
    ex PS
    19th Apr 2016
    6:38pm
    MICK, might be worth taking a look at the Mature Australia Party? Now is the time for retirees to either make a statement or become a victim of the so called major partys.
    If we do not exercise our power and vote against the two major partys wherever possible we desrve what we get. It does not matter who you vote for as long as we vote against the people who are taking our votes for granted.
    Tunabull is too clever for his own good, lets prove it to him!
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:12pm
    BIG Blocks of Land, Poles and Wires, My Dairy Herd ! ..All missing ?? Please report if you see which way they Went !! :-(
    Not Senile Yet!
    19th Apr 2016
    11:31am
    Good!
    Now WE the people can Vote ALL the Party Puppets OUT!
    BRING IT ON.....WILL BE A MASSIVE SWING AGAINST BOTH CORRUPT PARTIES AND THEIR PUPPET MP'S!!!
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:31pm
    You can do it. But please tell others to do likewise and start a trend. Both sides will hate it!
    Scrivener
    19th Apr 2016
    2:39pm
    I used to say to my wife, "Make sure your vote counts, vote for a mainstream party." Not any more.I'm certainly not going to vote for any pollie who has a law degree or who is or was a banker. Independents might be loose canons but hell, they have more common sense than the idiots in the major parties who think they are smarter than the rest of us.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    2:46pm
    Yes especially that Pinocchio whose mates are helping themselves to the HSU members' funds.
    ex PS
    19th Apr 2016
    6:46pm
    Do I see a light at the end of a very long dark tunnel, I may be seeing what I hope to see, but are people seeing the uselessness of supporting two so called major partys who have virtually written off the senior vote?
    I hope so and can't wait to see the shocked reaction on election day when they see the result of underestimating Australias seniors.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    7:37pm
    Keep doing the same thing and nothing changes. Is that not basic logic? I fail to understand the psyche of uninformed people who listen to the media, the worst of all advice.
    I am with Albert Einstein who stated that he could not get over the fact that people kept doing the same thing and were surprised that nothing changed for them. Derrrrr.....????
    Circum
    19th Apr 2016
    8:41pm
    The benefits from corruption is what motivates many politicians.Their pay is peanuts compared to the money made from wheeling and dealing.Sadly the situation will continue until the system is changed and provides full transparency and accountability with consequences for not acting in the national interest.Both major parties will fight against such change as it will affect their pockets.A bipartisan approach so to speak.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    8:53pm
    Where's Young Simmo ? :-) He'll liven this "Party" Up :-)
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:30pm
    Circum: we need to include the words "acting in good faith" and "for the benefit of the nation, not vested interests" into legislation, and then go after crooked pollies doing secretive deals to hide election funding money and private deals.
    GingerMeggs
    19th Apr 2016
    11:31am
    The real reason for Turnbull's push to have this double dissolution is so he can further protect the big biz vested interests mates that both major parties support and screw us the silent majority in the process. If you are interested in knowing more back room facts and what you can do to protect your interests subscribe to any or all three of the following dot org Au groups for free - GetUp, AYCC, 350.org
    Tarzan
    19th Apr 2016
    11:41am
    The sites that you mention hardly deal with facts at all
    Wstaton
    19th Apr 2016
    12:44pm
    Such a broad statement without any substance Tarzan.

    Right name by the way.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:34pm
    A bit of wisdom here. Shorten does not much attack the big end of town either and I have heard comments from Albanese which lead me to believe that big business money is going to both sides and whoever gets in is beholding to big business interests after that. This is wrong. Voting Independent en masse is the way forward to beat the bastards at their own game.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:16pm
    Poor Chips dream never came true ! :-( :-(
    buby
    20th Apr 2016
    7:02pm
    IM SORRY i agree with Ginger megs. you have to start somewhere constant moaning and groaning does not acheive anything.
    It because many are just too scared of the good it might do, and i guess the not knowing for sure would be a bit of a gamble.
    but if you don't nothing is going to changer either!!!
    margie
    19th Apr 2016
    11:36am
    The politicians from the 'big three' are self serving, greedy swine. No money for our homeless, elderly, sick, veterans, schools, I could go on, but you all know the long list. Plenty for themselves, latest example is Bronwyn Bishop with her fat purse for the rest of her life. What do they do for us? Well not much as noted above, although it is OUR money they are spending like drunken sailors (apologies to the sober sailors), perhaps it's time to look at some of the smaller parties and break the stranglehold of ALP, LNP and the Greens, maybe if they get enough of a fright they just may start to do what they are elected to do, or we may find some genuine, honest people to listen to the people and to serve the people.
    Wstaton
    19th Apr 2016
    12:57pm
    Unfortunately parties get in because what they say they will do. Then renege on half the promises.

    Also they conveniently say that they have a mandate for everything they say they will do. But people don't vote for everything they say they will do. It works this way.

    If two parties will say there are 10 things they will do when get elected what happens is this. Voters may not agree to them all but will vote for the party where they agree for most of them.

    So if a party where they agree with say 6 of the ten and the other party they only agree with 4 of the 10 then they probably vote for the first.

    But! When the party gets in they say they have a mandate for all 10 because they were voted in.

    This belies belief as what is really happening is they are voting for the best of a bad bunch.

    So how can this be overcome. Only one way that I can see. The 10 should be listed against all the polies name for each party that can be ticked off at voting time.

    But what a mess this would cause especially for the senate.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:36pm
    And they should be punished by the electorate Wstaton. Not rewarded with another term. This is where I fail to believe how simple minded voters are given that they fail to remember what was done to them and how they were treated last time around. Remember the Alan Jones "shi lied" campaign against Gillard. Never heard that one from the biggest liar in coalition history.
    Lescol
    19th Apr 2016
    11:41am
    I welcome a double dissolution as I am a swinging voter: I am not into parties; just their policies and the only way to change things is a formal vote and the current government is placed last! The right wing conservative group have exceed their use-by-date and have to be replaced.

    For the past two years I have been "stunned, shocked & appalled" by what has been happening. The current right wing conservatives are a disgrace and so many 'once in a decade' opportunities have been squandered. In particular the treatment of seniors has become a disgrace.

    We need some vision and ideas I offer the following; Cut the nonsense. Give all people of retirement age the full pension and tax all income in the normal way. This gets rid of the bureaucracy associated with monitoring the current ineffective system and puts everyone on an even footing. Also you are not punished for saving to fund your retirement as is happening in the current political climate.

    cheers
    Ted Wards
    19th Apr 2016
    11:47am
    Who will replace them? The alternative is no better. The problem is we really have a choice between the lesser of two evils. That really is no choice!
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    11:56am
    Ted's right, sadly, and I doubt there will ever be any sanity brought to bear in the aged pension system, Lescol - let alone any fairness or incentives to save! Goodness, that might actually allow hard workers to benefit from their endeavours and get ahead in life. Can't have that! It would also fix the country's woes, but I don't see many wanting that either. I think the current deficit problems serve the powers-that-be's evil purposes very well.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    12:15pm
    Ted Wards I believe the Labor Party at least has learned their lesson from the debacle that was the Rudd, Gillard, Rudd Government, it seems the Coalition Government has not and are stupid enough to carry on with the same infighting, leader changing that brought the last Labor Government down how can anyone vote for them with any confidence?, the BackBench can't agree and Tony Abbott is still there making mischief with his supporters as was seen in the recent pre selection for Bronnie"s seat.
    Richied
    19th Apr 2016
    12:20pm
    I agree somewhat. The pendulum has swung too far for most Australians.

    The challenge I see is that we either have the pendulum too far left, too far right, or we get a hung parliament. In the first two scenarios, the incumbent drives policy based on their dogma (instead of what the general, relatively moderate population wants). In the third, there is no opportunity for the incumbent to think about vision as they struggle on operational and tactical issues.

    Perhaps if both Labor and Liberal move back towards the centre (while still maintaining their fundamental views), they might win with an absolute majority and can focus on visionary stuff.
    ex PS
    19th Apr 2016
    6:52pm
    Ted Wards, there are other choices, but if you really belive that the LNP and Labor Party rule by divine right, pick the one that will do the least amount of damage to you.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    7:40pm
    Disagree wx PS. Much better to send the strongest of all messages: don't vote for either side. Do you really think that the government you get would be any worse that what we have been getting for years? On the contrary the bastards controlled by the rich would have to change horses or disappear.
    Circum
    19th Apr 2016
    11:48pm
    Misty.I doubt that the labour party has learnt any lesson from the rudd/gillard debacle.The egos of the politicians is too great.They think they are better.The ideology of the party makes them march on like brain washed zombies and follow the lead of the chief zombie.The liberals are similar with a we know better approach and think A decent accountant can solve all problems.No empathy with the public only ears for how business will be affected.Voting informal is looking attractive
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    4:57pm
    What Circum.......no comment about the "brainwashed zombies" in the current government? The puppets controlled by their big business election funding owners?
    My suggestion is to look to people like Nick Xenophon and get more like him. Nick has not been bought out and SERVES THE COUNTRY from what I can see. The current lot serve themselves and every move is controlled by the rich. Look where all of their policies lead and that would have to be clear.
    Julian
    19th Apr 2016
    11:52am
    The people will vote, unfortunately not all for the benefit of this country nor its future, but what is good for them now. This is how most politicians behave: what's good for me, now.

    Until we change this tide of narcissistic attitude, things won't get any better. Ingrained culture of politicians is to serve and protect themselves before the people they claim to represent, of course with a few exceptions. When I read comments to the like " the people will vote and decide", I ask for whom? It seems as though it doesn't matter because either way, we're screwed. Minority parties "accidentally" voted into the senate such as Ricky Muir probably did have good intentions, but ends up being swept away with the ingrained culture. But what did he know about politics? Nothing. The leader of the liberal democrats owed a lot of his votes to the confusion caused by the word " liberal" being included in his party's name. So these people help decide and forge our future?!

    Several years ago our local council was found to be corrupt and so administrators were put in place for a couple of years to straighten things out.

    Maybe its time for the same to happen at federal level.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    11:59am
    And who will appoint the administrators, Julian? Our local council is also corrupt, but the investigators are even more corrupt! I fear we'd see the same at Federal level if there were any attempt to implement your proposal.

    We need to abolish all politicians and the system and start over, but I fear that can never happen. Power is too entrenched.
    Richied
    19th Apr 2016
    12:22pm
    Yep - we love to blame the politicians, but we get the leaders that we vote for. Our narcissistic society has created this shortsighted political environment.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    1:11pm
    We don't get the leaders we vote for, Richied. There are no realistic choices and our voting system is geared to deny the populace any real choice.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    2:53pm
    I agree Rainey. It's like the "New democratised Labor" voting system they use to select a new leader.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    4:54pm
    Ricky helped vote the last bill down. Job done!

    Yeah Frank: your current leader, the PM, got the job through knifing the previous PM.....something Abbott said his party never did. They did.
    buby
    20th Apr 2016
    7:09pm
    uM eXCUSE US Richied, I didn't vote for turnbull.. pphhhht
    narcisistic society, geez your funny. I don't recall voting Turnbull in any time at all.
    When they get voted in they supposed to make things work for the good of the Australia populace and for that they get paid exceptionally well.
    I reckon if they can't do the job they need to get out, and they should be ashamed of themselves.
    Crazy Horse
    19th Apr 2016
    12:07pm
    The record of the Abbott/Turnbull Government is continual attack on those most vulnerable including the aged. The only party that will even try to look after pensioners is the ALP. The Gillard Government significantly increased pensions. Nothing but attacks on those least able to defend themselves under this mob.

    Put the Liberals last. That's where they put you.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    1:01pm
    ALP won't look after the pensioners either and certainly won't repel the changes to the asset test. I see big changes happening for super and the pensioners from either party.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:38pm
    Agree Crazy Horse.
    Bonny...please troll another site with your BS! You are reminding me of Tony Abbott before the last election.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    1:53pm
    Bonny if you are as poor as you seem to indicate in previous posts I can't see why changes to the Asstet Test and Super should be of any concern for you.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    6:06pm
    The changes of the asset test and income test will effect me as I am paying for the pension for those who don't need it while I see our younger generation struggle to make ends meet. Age pensioners get cheaper rates, electricity, car rego, prescriptions etc while our young people pay full price and sometimes more. Did you know a green slip now costs over $600 for a young person in NSW? That is simply not fair.

    Five minutes with a doctor costs them $80 now with a $30 rebate and then it is a script a t the chemist costing nearly $50. A pension free doctor visit plus $5 script. That's a cost of 20 times more for a young person. This is simply not fair either. No wonder our emergency system is overloaded.

    So we have pensioner living in multimillion dollars houses getting full pensions with full benefits whereas the younger generation struggles each week just to get by.

    That is why the age pension system is so very wrong.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    6:16pm
    Bonny if you are paying for the pensions of those who in your opinion don't need it you are quite obviously not living in poverty or anything remotely like it, something doesn't gell here with your previous posts on poverty.
    ex PS
    19th Apr 2016
    6:49pm
    Get real Bonny, you can take all the money off the pensioners you like but you won't see the money, it will all go to your beloved LNP. We will notpay one dollar less in tax.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    7:09pm
    I'm not taking the money off anyone but watch out as whatever government we have in power something will have to be done because the current welfare system is not sustainable.

    The January 2017 change is the asset test is just the beginning of more changes to come.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    7:41pm
    Bonny = Frank = LNP All connected at the hip!
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    8:36pm
    Crazy Horse... :-) :-) For your last Sentence ! How True !
    Anonymous
    20th Apr 2016
    12:27pm
    Bonny, what is so worrying is that people like you believe the lies that changing the assets test will REDUCE pension costs. What BS! Anyone with half a brain should be able to see that the changes will push pension costs thru the roof and make workers far worse off, because the incentive to save and plan responsibly are wiped out.

    The message that DUMB change sent is ''spend like a drunken sailor, or suffer seeing all your savings eroded for the benefit of other who did''.

    Only someone wearing a blindfold could suggest that changes will BENEFIT taxpayers. Watch as the long term cost rises dramatically because there's now no benefit to saving unless you can accumulate a very large amount - more than most people have a hope of accruing over a working lifetime.

    The changes INCREASED unfairness, REDUCED capacity to prioritize need, and gave most benefit to cheats and irresponsible spendthrifts.

    There can only be one reason for supporting the changes and that is a desire to crush the middle class and upper working class and restore a feudal society in which we have rich lords and poor servants and nothing in between.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    1:11pm
    It's sad that you think that way Rainey. I hope your view is not part of a cultural unchangeable attitude.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    4:52pm
    Words straight from the Liberal Party.
    Stevie Wonder
    19th Apr 2016
    12:41pm
    The LNP are controlled by their ideology Neoliberalism if you don't know what it is read the following from the Guardian. http://gu.com/p/4tbfb/sbl

    I will not be voting for any major party as I have had enough of them and suggest you all look for a good independent and vote for them. Look at the Mature Australia Party as an example of what there is out there.
    wally
    19th Apr 2016
    1:18pm
    We have a self proclaimed independent amongst our contributors who goes by the name of mick. I am looking forward to seeing mick standing for election as an independent in Turnbull's seat of Wentworth. Or perhaps Tony Abbott's seat would do? Or maybe challenging Barnaby Joyce in New England?

    It's up to you, mick!
    Wstaton
    19th Apr 2016
    1:24pm
    I have just finished reading all of the Guardian article. It is amazing how it also fits what is happening in Australia. I recommend all should read it. It is Long but should be read to the end and not skipped over.
    mangomick
    19th Apr 2016
    1:27pm
    Pretty sure New England already has a really good Independent candidate challenging Barnaby Joyce.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:40pm
    No Stevie. The coalition is controlled by big business and the rich. ALL of their policies should tell you that. If still in doubt follow the money trail, which ends up at the big end of town.
    Tombo
    19th Apr 2016
    2:38pm
    I'm trying to find the money trail Mick. Where does it start?
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    7:56pm
    Corporate tax cuts campaigns at every step. Money to the rich.
    Repeal the Carbon Tax. Money to coal and election funding to the LNP.
    Legislation left by outgoing Labor to control banks shredded by Abbott coming in. Election funding from the banks?
    You need to watch The 7:30 Report tonight. Specifically the donations made to Abbott from Brickworks and the payback after the repeal of the Carbon Tax. Money to the mates! Note also that BOTH Labor and Liberal DO NOT WANT A FEDERAL ICAC....because both are likely accepting dirty money.
    As I keep saying: Vote for an Independent to change the game. Keep doing the same thing and nothing changes other than greater and greater amounts of corruption as both sides become increasingly brazen and feel bulletproof in their criminal conduct.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    12:51pm
    The sooner the better so I can turn my TV back on without those dreadful election ads.

    I've decided not to vote for either party as neither look after my interests or those of our country. So it's a blank paper from me.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    12:53pm
    Might put a bet on LNP getting back into power depending on the odds.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:41pm
    I thought you were writing election adds for the LNP Bonny as you seem to trot out the same nonsense.
    Sundays
    19th Apr 2016
    3:53pm
    Of course you have decided not to vote Bonny. Never mind that in many parts of the world people have died for the right to vote! If you don't vote, then don't complain when the system doesn't suit you. I hope that calling an early election will backfire on Turnbull. A more out of touch government than any previous one. They deserve to be voted out.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    4:35pm
    Whatever will be will be. I will just be flexible and arrange my affairs to suit the new rules whoever is in power. The sooner the better so we don't have to put up with those awful election ads for too long.

    I have no doubt Turnbull will win the election and get a majority in both houses because we simply do not have any viable alternative.

    Personally I cannot see any point in voting for either party.
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    4:40pm
    Bonny ," you do not see any point in voting either party" There is an alternative Australian Liberty Alliance . Go to there website and find out more about their policies, what do you have to lose?
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    4:45pm
    A vote for the Australian Liberty Alliance is simply a vote for either the LNP or the ALP under our present voting system.
    marls
    19th Apr 2016
    4:54pm
    Niemakawa
    Spot on Aust Liberty alliance. Rise up Aust party . Pauline Hanson, patriots or any party that will put Aust laws culture and people first
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    7:59pm
    Yeah. Voting Independent is not as simple as it seems as voters need to know who the preference goes to and whether or the particular candidate is just a plant from the current LNP government. I have already seen evidence of this and voters need to at the very least ask at the polling booth who the preference is going to without disclosing which major party they have interest in.
    Lescol
    19th Apr 2016
    12:56pm
    I truly welcome a double dissolution as we need some political change. As a swinging voter: I am not into parties; just policies and the only way to ever change things is by making a formal vote and marking the present government last cheers

    19th Apr 2016
    1:04pm
    This is a power struggle and nothing more. Most politicians could earn more money away from politics but wouldn't have any power. As for caring about voters, Graham Richardson's book had a chapter about the Hawke/Keating struggle where he claimed that we would have been out of recession 12 months earlier had they concentrated on running the country instead of counting numbers.

    The Coalition has done the same as Labor by knifing a leader because of polling which all politicians assure us they never read. In Turnbull's case I believe that his wife wanted the top job more than he did and now that he is there he has achieved his/her goal and hadn't made any plans as to what he needed to do next. The media has a lot to answer for in all of the leadership spills. Firstly, it was anyone except Rudd and then anyone except Abbott. The media then were forced to support their choice and all shortcomings were not fully reported by the bulk of the media.

    What worries me is that Labor will get back so soon. It's not a partisan statement but merely a genuine concern about the economy. It has been traditional that Labor spends, the Coalition tidies the books and when we are back in the black, Labor is allowed back in to give us handouts. I'd prefer to see the books in a better shape before Labor spends what we don't have. So far, Labor has put forward ideas to spend a lot of money but hasn't told us where they will get the money to pay for the grand ideas. Turnbull may have made a total mess of things because there is no money for handouts which is a typical pre-election budget and Labor might make this Government a one term affair.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    1:16pm
    LNP supporters love to accuse Labor of spending and claim the LNP ''tidies the economy'', but it's actually rubbish. Howard and Costello were the big spenders who created the current deficit. Labor inherited obligations it couldn't unwind and had no money to meet. And the scary thing is that the Howard/Costello indulgence benefited the top 20% almost exclusively. The current government hasn't had the fortitude or decency to address those indulgences - only to screw the battlers!
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:45pm
    You don't get a retirement package like you do in politics and get to get another paid job at the same time in big business Old Man. They may love the power but they love the money more.
    The rest of your post ignores the fact that the Abbott government has run up huge debts. The national debt has blown out and the NBN has been butchered by Turnbull which has also resulted in the cost blowing out by a large amount.
    Whilst talking about the debt Labor created also maybe look at the GFC (what do you think a coalition government would have done?) and delivering on projects the nation needs. No coalition government ever does anything for the nation. Just their rich supporters.
    Julian
    19th Apr 2016
    1:05pm
    Rainey, I agree with you, wipe them all and start again...but how??

    Like I said whatever happens, whomsoever gets in, we're screwed.
    wally
    19th Apr 2016
    1:27pm
    Pray that a meteorite from Heaven comes roaring down from the sky and smites Parliament House in Canberra at a time when both Houses of Parliament are sitting! That would be the Double Dissolution of all dissolutions!

    But looking at Clive Palmer's record of attending Parliamentary sessions, it is probable that he would be away when such a blessed event occurs and would be the only surviving Parliamentarian.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:46pm
    No Julian. Wrong. If we all voted Independent then we would be starting again.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    3:01pm
    Julian you may be right. We will get screwed either way, so wouldn't it be better to get screwed and have a balanced budget?
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    5:41pm
    I agree Frank.
    ex PS
    19th Apr 2016
    6:57pm
    So Frank,et us all in on the secret, who do you think will be able to balance the budget. Dispite a lot of rhetoric and hot air, the current government is not doing so well.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    7:16pm
    Neither government will be able to balance the budget without so massive changes.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:00pm
    Yeah Bonny.....collecting taxes from big business and the wealthy who have interests in these companies. ANd of course TAX SHELTERS NEED TO BE CLOSED!!
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    8:51pm
    Not too sure how you are going to do just that as we now live in a world economy and it is up the corporation where they choose to pay their taxes.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:27pm
    Simple. The ATO has a clause inserted into tax law stating:

    'Tax shelters which are used or considered by the ATO to be used for the purposes of tax avoidance are deemed illegal and taxpayers and companies who use them will be faced with a tax bill of double what has been avoided for every year in which this has occurred. This provision will apply for returns going back up to 15 years.'

    Let's see the crooked multinationals get around that one with their dodgy accounting.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    9:41pm
    Mick they are not using tax shelters or avoiding tax so that rule does not apply.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    4:51pm
    You would say that Bonny (Frank?). They are using tax shelters and they are avoiding the Australian tax system....aided and abetted by the current LNP government with its Tax Shelter owing PM. A den of thieves it seems.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    1:11pm
    The lying campaign from this deceitful government has been well under way as has the mainstream media pushing their side.
    All that we hear from the Abbott mk II government is the normal beat-up and slogans being rolled out.
    No talk about the main game: getting more money from tax evaders. Just talk about the normal scapegoats: unions.
    No talk about a federal ICAC to look at corruption in federal politics or big business and its rich owners. Only talk about (supposed) huge waste from the loose change.
    Australians need to vote for the country. Not big business which is badly running the nation with its repeated bleating for a 10% drop in the corporate tax and more and more taxes piled upon hand to mouth workers.
    We are at a watershed moment. If this government is re-elected then Australia will become the next America complete with 0.1% of the population owning 90% of everything and workers with no conditions earning $10 an hour. That is what the 'Land of the Free' has for its citizens. That is what this government is out to achieve in AUstralia. WE DO NOT NEED THAT FOR OUR CHILDREN!
    wally
    19th Apr 2016
    1:21pm
    Looking at the responses so far, it looks like the "Same Old" from the "Same Old" and barely a drop of originality to leaven the flood of bile that I see pouring out.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    2:22pm
    Says a lot about how people feel wally. Nothing "original" from either side of politics either. All both sides do well is sell off our country to the third world and push this wonderful nation into poverty. We might be ok but our grandchildren will pay the real price for voters being ignorant and voting for the most promoted pollies rather than those who give a damn and work for us, not vested election funding interests.
    Nick Xenophon is the real deal. We need more like him and his Party will be getting my vote.
    mangomick
    19th Apr 2016
    1:24pm
    Was really pleased to see Abbott go and Turnbull installed as Leader of the Liberals . I thought he had the Political acumen to negotiate and compromise with Labor and the cross benches to gain satisfactory outcomes.
    Unfortunately, once again, the Libs seem to think that they only rule for those who put them in power, and refuse to compromise to get Legislation through. I think who ever is guiding their decision to call a double dissolution has misread the peoples support of Turnbull. Many who supported his rise to the Leadership do not support this act on this petty issue. One may say those who support the dissolution are sadly disillusioned. Wouldn't be surprised to see a significant percentage of LNP and Labor support going to the Greens as a protest against our poor Political system..
    To be seen calling for a double dissolution over the refusal of the Senate to agree to a building Union watchdog while sweeping aside calls for a Royal Commission to investigate the banks after millions on common people may have been ripped off by the Banks involvement in the LIBOR and Bank bill swap rate scandal and by deliberately giving poor financial advice to clients puts the LNP in a very poor light in the eyes of the man in the street. this double dissolution fails the Pub Test.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    2:27pm
    They are what they are mango: representatives of big business and the rich. So don't expect other than what you get.
    The double dissolution trigger is nothing other than a reason to have an election. Turnbull contrived it for that reason. He wants to rout the senate so that it becomes a LNP rubber stamp so this government brought in changes so that Independents would find it harder to be elected.
    Don't be surprised wally. This bunch are Howard leftovers for the most part and were never going to govern for the nation. That is the tragedy. Our fault for not marching en masse to the steps of the parliament and demanding the Abbott government resign as soon as the bulk lies started to appear after the last election.
    mIKER
    19th Apr 2016
    1:25pm
    A 2014 report commissioned by the Australian Council of Social Service suggests that 2.55 million Australians live in poverty, with 23.6 per cent of them children. So perhaps the question for all correspondents is which Party is most capable of addressing the problem and do they have the will to do so?
    mangomick
    19th Apr 2016
    1:29pm
    Pretty sure trickle down capitalism will get to them eventually.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    2:30pm
    "Poverty" is quite relative and subjective and depends where in the world you live. Some people can be poor on $100,000 pa. Others can live a wonderful life on $20,000 pa.
    Personally I just want a government of either persuasion who governs for our nation. All of it. Not just the rich like the current government!
    westie
    19th Apr 2016
    1:46pm
    My comment is different, Australia used to ride on the sheep's back the mining took over. The labor government along with Gillard and Penn Wong squashed the farming with the Murray Darling stuff up. Barnaby Joyce was going to do wonders (nothing) they might be happy to ea overseas food I am not
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    2:33pm
    Both sides of politics have sold us out. The idea that selling our best freehold farming land to foreign governments is a good idea is the mindset of idiots who have gotten themselves into positions of power. This moronic policy will come back to bite our grandchildren when Australia has a larger population with food being loaded onto CHinese boats and none of us getting a one single dollar for it.
    Julian
    19th Apr 2016
    1:47pm
    If the economy is broken, wouldn't you want to fix it, rather than make it worse?
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    2:36pm
    Hockey lectured us about a "budget emergency". One of the lies! There was never one.
    Taxing hand to mouth Australians whilst giving the top end of town large corporate tax cuts is not how this needs to be achieved. And refusing to collect tax from the rich and multinational cheats is also no way to achieve this.
    Go after the big end rather than coming after those who do not have opulent excesses.

    19th Apr 2016
    1:51pm
    Michaelia Cash is certainly running her knickers off trying to get her gob on every frame of the news film cameras, and, if re-elected, you won't see her again until right before the NEXT election - just like the rest of them. Bloody pathetic!
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    2:37pm
    She should be in show business. Eddie McGuire better watch out for his job.
    Kato
    20th Apr 2016
    12:05pm
    She has been rebranded make it cash.
    Kato
    20th Apr 2016
    12:06pm
    She has been rebranded make it cash.
    Kato
    19th Apr 2016
    2:04pm
    One an only hope we end up with more Independents in parliament. This is just a rort by turdcoat and his cronies
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    2:10pm
    You are referring to Mal(evolvent), aren't you?
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    2:39pm
    That is the best and fastest way to end the game. Once the bastards who think they own the game and who act like they are monarchs are gone we will get collaboration and proper government.
    Try telling that to the simple minded who pyne for their 'football team'.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    2:19pm
    Can't wait for the election we might finally get a government that can govern but I doubt it.
    Blossom
    19th Apr 2016
    5:25pm
    None of the parties do as promised....or vote the way their supporters expect them to. They are always bickering and name calling during question time instead of answering questions politely and others not interrupting and the Speaker having to remind them by naming them as the Honorable Member for..... They are worse than children, some of whom behave better than MPs. About they dumped so aspects of Parliamentary Privelidge too.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:17pm
    Only one side of politics lied about almost everything before the last election: the Abbott camp. Let's not forget that one!
    I remember the "she lied" campaign against Gillard for one lie. Where was the "he lied" campaign for everything being lied about? Thank you Alan Jones.
    Tom Tank
    19th Apr 2016
    2:28pm
    A question in this matter is why not have a body with real power to not only police the building industry but all aspects of businesses across the board.
    It is not only unions that are guilty of inappropriate behaviour but then that would shed light on matters the LNP want to keep hidden.
    As an example why not make in compulsory for lobby and pressure groups like the Institute of Public Affairs and the Grattan Institute to publish their list of financial donors each year so we can see who is pulling the strings.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    2:43pm
    Called a FEDERAL ICAC with wide ranging powers. Neither side of politics want this as they will have to stop behaving corruptly. Big business will oppose this as well because of it's relationship via election funding bribery to the LNP.
    A federal ICAC would clean up things somewhat but big business and the rich would still look for ways around the legislation....as CHris Hartcher (LNP) and several other dishonest Liberal Party MPS did in state politics. They were caught and sent on their dishonest way!
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:18pm
    I must be psychic.
    This was on the 7:30 Report tonight. About time.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    8:40pm
    Your Psychic and the Guv is Psychedelic Sci Fi Psychopaths :-)
    4b2
    19th Apr 2016
    2:47pm
    Not being a constitutional expert or Lawyer, I have difficulty understanding when and why Government can be recalled. It has been done four times since 1975, and I believe the 1975 Budget crises could have been resolved except for Malcolm Fraser's desire to rule. Now another Malcolm is using the slippery pole for his own purposes. Union Bashing, and probable a return to work choices if he achieves a majority.
    What choice will the Government have if they don't achieve a majority in both houses? How can they possibly Govern with opposition, they have no desire to negotiate, or compromise. They blame the electoral system that gave us the independent Senators which has been in place for many years and gave Australia many Ministers with less votes that these independents. As for Conroy giving his opinion on the actions of the Governor General good on him. If any public figure can't be criticised then we are in the wrong country. I think it is time for Political Reform, but not from the politicians.
    Mike Omment
    19th Apr 2016
    2:55pm
    Nothing annoys me more than somebody telling me how to vote (read Mick) so ive decided to vote Liberal
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    3:31pm
    Well Mike Omment, THAT Is really intelligent.....

    Read my comment below and see what you are voting for and maybe you will show them that gross incompetence and disregard for Australia and its people is unacceptable by NOT voting for them this time. Then WORK towards cleaning out these greedy ugly incompetents from the Liberal Party and vote for them when they get some REAL people who may support big business but not to the extent that they SELL out AUSTRALIA ..... as Murdoch's marionettes are falling over themselves to do!!
    Wstaton
    19th Apr 2016
    5:19pm
    My kids were like that. Whenever I told them to do something for their own good they did the opposite.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    5:54pm
    And you want to vote for a party who are about to sell to the Chinese the biggest tract of land for sale in Australia?.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:24pm
    Vote for whoever you want Mike. My point is that voters keep voting one side and then return to the other the next election. So the game keeps going because both sides know it's my/yout turn. So the only real galag is the one who believes that doing this will send a message. It doesn't.
    I follow the advice of Albert Einstein who stated that he could not get over the fact that people kept doing the same thing and could not understand why things never changed.
    Unless you are mentally incapable Mike have a think about the above and recent history in this country's politics. I will not be voting for either party but the INdependent I choose will be directing their preference to either the Greens or Labor...not to the corrupt lot currently raping the nation and wanting to turn average citizens into the dirt poor whilst giving tax cuts to their wealthy benefactors.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    9:13pm
    Politics is more difficult than physics MICK!
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:22pm
    Politics is about ultimate power and the corruption which often follows. The real sin is in allowing to continue unchallenged.
    I do not want a revolution to happen in this country but if big business persists in its 'we want everything' behaviour there will trouble going forward. People will at some time revolt!
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:30pm
    The Real Problem in this country is the Mushroom Act of the Media ! :-( They tell you NOTHING of what's going on in the World ! Germany is on a Knifes Edge, Sweden is Ruined, France is a Mess along with Belgium and I wont talk about Poor Old England yet ! :-( I'm just watching yet as it slowly Caves In :-( :-(
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    9:47pm
    Particolor and Turkey is being fast tracked into the EU without consent of the EU member States. The only Countries that are resisting the onslaught of the "dictators" in Brussels are the four members of the Visegrad Group, namely Hungary,Poland, The Czech Republic and Slovakia. Britain is having a referendum on 23 June 2016 and following numerous websites and "polls" it is likely that the British will vote to leave The EU. Their PM Mr Cameron will do all he can to prevent this being the result. He is in my opinion a traitor of the British people and is prepared to hand over Sovereignty to Brussels without a whimper. Sweden as you mention along with Belgium have reached the point of no return and their "culture" will disappear within a few more years. Germany Led by "Mad" Merkel is hellbent on making Europe an Islamic State and she is dictating terms to all other EU member States. Australia will follow suit unless the PEOPLE stand up and be counted. Australians should take more notice of events in Europe as they are unfolding. Do not rely on the Media to help they all have a hidden agenda and are in on the act to stifle debate on the issue of mass immigration.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    10:32pm
    You can help to speed up the process in Australia by following MICK's advice and voting for an indy or simply vote for Labor.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    10:37pm
    yes I've been following the Whole Box and Dice of what you mentioned there ! If Turkey is allowed to enter the EU wont that say it All to anyone even Slightly Dumb ? :-( Merkel is a Nut Case and Ergogen or whatever the Turkey Creep is called is nothing short of an Islamic Murderer ! :-(
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    10:50pm
    “Holding Europe hostage: Turkey threat to open migrant floodgate if it does not get EU deal
    TURKEY is holding Europe hostage by threatening to open the floodgates and let tens of thousands of migrants into Europe.
    The country, which is not a part of the European Union (EU), says it will open its borders unless it's citizens are given free travel visas throughout mainland Europe.
    It has threatened to cancel its part of a migrant deal if the EU doesn't keep its word by financially and politically rewarding Ankara.
    Under the controversial agreement, economic migrants that arrive in the Greek islands will be sent to Turkey.
    in exchange, Turkey will receive a number of generous benefits.
    It will be given £2.3billion of EU aid in order to help implement the process, its citizens will receive free travel within the Schengen Area by June, and the country's EU membership negotiations will be fast tracked. “

    Australia will not be immune from the disaster that is occurring in Europe. The mainstream Parties and The Australia media are holding back and nothing will be done until it is on our doorstep.

    For me the biggest issue in the upcoming election is immigration, yet I doubt that LIB/LAB/Greens let alone the media will give the dangers of mass immigration any "air" time. I will be voting ALA.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    7:53am
    I agree, it has become a hot issue that the left biased media will not cover. We saw a portent of the future when Labor and the Greens lost control of our borders and did not know how to fix the problem. You will have a lot friends voting for ALA.
    Sarah Hansen-Young could be a real danger to Australia.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    4:44pm
    "Left biased media"? Ha, ha, ha. The media is controlled by the big end of town Frank. Your crowd. The rich = coalition governments. Why do you think Abbott wanted to sell off the ABC?

    19th Apr 2016
    3:27pm
    A double dissolution is exactly what the BIG BOYS wanted... to get rid of ALL the senate so that they could have FREE REIGN trampling all over our democracy.

    It is a make or break decision but with the wealth of Banks and Foreign Megacorps throwing their money into the LIBERAL campaign PIGGY TROUGH..... a incredibly huge BLITZ will occur, telling us how good the Libs are when they have been the worst LIBERAL govt ever and have achieved nothing but detriments to Australia and its people, so far.

    The BIG BOYS want us, the ordinary people, to pay even more taxes and want GST increased to 15% and to extend to food and health.... everything, except financial services maybe (banks don't want to be bothered with the cost of compliance). The BIG BOYS don't want to contribute ANY TAXES to Australia and want total impunity against criminal activities and to continue with the malpractices and OFFSHORE accounts and foreign megacorp fraudulent transfer pricing practices.

    THIS particular Liberal Party, are bought and paid for marionettes, selling out their own country so that they can dip their noses in the PIG TROUGH. The worst Liberal Party in Australia's history.

    TO BE COMMENDED: are those SENATE members (independents & small parties) who did NOT vote to save their jobs..... it would have been so easy for them to just let this DRACONIC legislation to pass but they didn't!

    BRAVO, BRAVO...... to those current SENATE members (independents and smaller parties) who have more MORAL SPINE and REGARD for Australian Democracy, than the SWINE that are currently mucking up this great country.

    Hold your hats.... the BLITZ will be a BIG one!!!!!
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    3:32pm
    Mussitate, I truly hope you are right. This whole bloody country needs a HUGE political shakeup.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    7:23pm
    Fast Eddie

    NOT if the megacorp FOREIGN BIG BOYS take over our country... it won't be a shake up, it will simply turn Australia into another state of the SHAMBLES that is currently the USA!
    The ONLY thing that saves the USA in any form, is that they are the world currency and they have been passing on THEIR debts and bad management onto the rest of the world.
    THIS is changing, countries are using other currencies to the USA... that is why the USA illegally invaded Iraq (slaughtering directly and indirectly 600,000 innocent people - 200kms of bodies laying side by side).
    That is why the USA is sliding and the very social fabric of the country is breaking up.
    Australia is a FAT WEALTHY country and the 'sharks' are circling, just waiting to go in for the kill!

    THAT is what this election is about:

    Foreign Corporate Control vs Australian Democracy

    Do what you like for House of Reps BUT do NOT put the LIBs in control of the SENATE... it is a MUST.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    4:48pm
    I agree Mussitate. That is why Turnbull and his cronies also changed legislation so that senators would find it harder to be elected. Turnbull wants a rubber stamp senate. I find it hilarious that this coalition government expects the senate to rubber stamp its attacks on average Australians whilst it itself in opposition acted in the most reprehensible manner I have ever seen in politics.
    The job of the senate has NEVER been a rubber stamp one and it was always intended that legislation was scrutinised and rejected if bad. It has been.
    Mike
    19th Apr 2016
    3:32pm
    Russia became the world's laughing stock when they sold Alaska to the US, now under Turnbull we have become the world's laughing stock after Scott Morrison sold of our biggest dairy, a huge chunk of Tasmania to the Chinese, plus our biggest cattle farm, and other huge chunks of farmland, and now the Chinese have pushed our kids out of the housing market. Also Hockey has called disabled people rorters whilst he himself and his greedy cronies filling their pockets with the rorted travel m allowance, I have joined the 560000 retirees who have vowed NEVER again to vote for those BLASTED Liberals.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:26pm
    I have been saying the same for years but the media seems to be in bed with the government and refuses to make this a major election issue. It should be. Future Australians will hate us all for what we have allowed to happen and apathetic average Australians have sold out their descendants.
    maggie
    19th Apr 2016
    3:33pm
    Just imagine how these self perpetuating people would react if they where in power as World War 2 broke out. You would probably find them hiding in underground bunkers tossing coins to decide what to do next.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    3:55pm
    This LNP government is made up of snivelling bum kissers who are afraid to exercise ANY type of initiative, as they are $hit-scared of offending Malevolent and his snob-like cronies. Turnaway is so far up himself with his egotistic grimace and hollow speeches that you can hardly see his shoes. The rest of his party are like ventriloquist dummies waiting for Malfunction to pull their strings and "repeat as I say" and nod their empty heads in aggreeance. All-in-all, Turnaround is like a dictator, know-it-all, pandering only to his big business mates while shovelling money into his deep pockets. He is the biggest disgrace this country has EVER had as a PM. Pathetic!
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    4:05pm
    Are you sure you're not simply repeating what you've heard others say?
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    4:10pm
    Not at all. I am saying what I think . It just so happens that others (and MANY of them) think the same.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    4:38pm
    Mmmm...crowd mentality. That is certainly not me.
    Anonymous
    19th Apr 2016
    5:54pm
    Good.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    5:57pm
    Frank no one has to repeat what others say about this Federal Government, you only have to watch read and listen to find out for your self, we are not all simpletons we can think for ourselves.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    6:11pm
    So, it is nice to know that others are not saying that stuff! lol
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:29pm
    Frank.... Repeat what others have said? Really.

    maggie: World war 2 is done. Methinks you may have meant
    WW 3....but Kevin Rudd stated in front of the cameras that he was responsible for that after a prolonged attack from the ex Australian Rupert Murdoch putting his man into power. Have not heard much from this meddler in our politics lately other than his local papers which promote Liberal Party candidates in hos propaganda rags.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    8:57pm
    I've only heard you mention his name MICK. BTW, why have you gone uppercase? Is it to create a more demanding presence leading up to the election?
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:19pm
    ????? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    4:31pm
    I will certainly not be voting for either Lib/Lab/Greens. All of these parties have lost touch with the people and what our country means to us. My vote will be going to The Australian Liberty Alliance Party (ALA). Australia and Australians must come first. Vote Labor in then expect the floodgates to open immediately and we will be swamped with more and more so-called refugees. I have spent some time in Europe and have seen first hand the devastation caused to the European people by THEIR OWN Governments with their open door policy. It is pure madness. Even The Liberals will eventually succumb and endorse a similar policy to Labor on immigration, which will not bode well for the Australian people. So get out of your comfort zone and vote ALA or face the inevitable consequences.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    4:37pm
    Whoever you vote for you will be voting for the LNP or the ALP.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Apr 2016
    4:43pm
    What a load of drivel. Immigration made this country, in fact you're also an immigrant though possibly generational. I must say you're also very scarey. If you don't think Syrian refugees are refugees then there is something seriously wrong in the bell tower. I am equally certain you don't know what it means to be an Australian as it's something no individual can articulate and those that do are as with you in the same bell tower.
    Paulodapotter
    19th Apr 2016
    4:45pm
    Not meant for you , Bonny.
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    5:04pm
    Paulodapotter. You are entitled to your opinion, so be a good chap and allow others the same latitude. I do not think Syrian refugees are refugees as you put it. I am a Nationalist, a Patriot , which is in my opinion the rue test of a REAL AUSTRALIAN. We are finished here so no need to reply further.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:32pm
    Immigration may have made this country but those who came did not get on to social security benefits and never work. I understand that this is a major issue with the current batch. Bit I guess that jobs have been sold off to the third world too and there are not enough for many Australians. And last the 'welfare state' is strangling us all and it needs to end....but don't expect this to happen when you can lose votes for this sort of policy and be thrown out of office. This is where a bipartisan approach needs to happen. It won't!
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:39pm
    niemakawa: good that you are starting to see the light. FYI Shorten indicated the other night that he would not change the current immigration policy. He realises that this is not on.
    As for ALA the preferences flow to the LNP so if the candidate does not get in you are effectively voting Liberal. That means the bastards get another crack at attacking average citizens and delivering a huge tax cut to the rich. Think about that.
    Better to pick a real INdependent whose preference does not go to the current government. Sends the strongest of all messages. That is what is needed. Then the Howard leftovers will leave and the Liberal Party will have a chance to try and fix. If you vote the bastards back in now they never will and will become more and more arrogant.
    DaveL
    19th Apr 2016
    4:45pm
    On July 2nd DON'T vote Liberal, National Pery, Labor or the Greens in the Senate. Give hell
    Paulodapotter
    19th Apr 2016
    4:52pm
    One thing is for certain, I will not be voting for a big party politician in the Senate. The Senate is a House of Review, not a rubber stamp for the Lower House. I think the Senate should be made up of micro parties/non-members of ruling political parties and individuals with no party political asperations
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    5:44pm
    That is precisely why the current government has done so badly. They cannot get anything through the Senate as it is not operating anything like a house of review. It has it's own agenda which is vastly different from that of the current government. Get rid of those micro parties etc and let the government of the day govern.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    6:04pm
    Bonny I totally disagree with you, thank god for a Senate that uses their brains and thinks for themselves and not what either party wants them to do, what is the use of the Senate if they are just going to pass every bill that the current governing party wants them to do, that sounds like Communism to me not Democracy.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    6:05pm
    That is the problem. It does have a rubber stamp. It has the word "NO" on it!
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    6:56pm
    Agree they seem to have lost the rubber stamp with 'YES" on it.
    ex PS
    19th Apr 2016
    7:07pm
    So Bonny, I take it that if the Labor Party wins you will have the same view, whatever they want they should get?
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    7:15pm
    It doesn't matter who wins they need to be able to govern and that has not been happening. I really can't see that it will make much difference which party gets into power as they will have the same obstacles to overcome. The biggest one being that they haven't got enough money in the pot to pay all their expenses.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:34pm
    Good one DaveL. I'll be giving Nick Xenophon the nod in the senate. There is a pollie worthy of the title and worth every cent he is being paid. I hope that others can see the merits.
    Anonymous
    20th Apr 2016
    12:32pm
    We should be deeply grateful to the current Senate for protecting Australia from the worst extremes of the LNP, but it doesn't matter who is in power. The real reason governments now can't govern is social media. The instant an idea is put forward, the public respond and shoot it down. And that will continue, because the politicians are inept and the public are self-interested.
    Anonymous
    20th Apr 2016
    12:38pm
    There IS enough money, Bonny, if only governments would apply sensible taxation and sensible spending principles. The only problem they have is that they can't stop indulging their rich corrupt buddies. Look how much is stashed in Panama! Please don't try to tell me there isn't enough money. It's where it's going that's the problem.
    Observer
    19th Apr 2016
    5:14pm
    Surely it is normal that the Government would try to get re-elected, (thus save their jobs) wouldn't they. Isn't that normal? Why is it cynical? Would anybody expect them NOT to try get re-elected. And the issue of the ABCC and all the associated institutional corruption and union thuggerey seems to me a pretty good cause to go to bat about. So we have an election, not even technically, on that basis.
    What extraordinary precious rot!
    And what would you expect for 70 yo's in a country that is 180% of GDP in debt? More welfare to increase our debt? (check it out - not just Govt dept, but all 4 dimensions of National Debt). That is the Reserve Bank figure.
    Im 74 still working and too poor to retire. Hope I'll be able to work to 77. But I don't and have never believed I should get a Govt income tantamount to a sinecure just for being alive. A safety net, albeit a low standard of living is a damn good deal I think.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    6:18pm
    That's a damn good observation Observer!
    Would we want politicians in the job who didn't want to be there?
    I personally would be disappointed if somebody didn't call out these thugs and crooks. 108 Union bosses are on charges. That's a good start.
    ex PS
    19th Apr 2016
    7:04pm
    Be even better if we could see a few bankers and big business executives answering for their crimes. But as long as they keep the contributions coming in there's not much chance of that.
    Funny we still haven't heard how many people have been charged with paying bribes to the Union. Or has the law been changed, is it no longer against the law to pay bribes?
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:44pm
    How about a FEDERAL ICAC to investigate and prosecute ALL CORRUPTION? Neither side of politics want that. I wonder why?
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    9:03pm
    The Independents don't want it. Lazarus does though.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:18pm
    The others will support it. Neither Labor or Liberal will so we have to ask ourselves WHY..... Clearly corruption is widespread and that is precisely why a federal ICAC is needed.
    SO WHY DOES THE SO CALLED FREE PRESS NOT DEMAND THIS? Answer: the dirt goes through politics and includes the media and the wealthy Australians who either control the media in their own right or have influence in what makes the news.
    WE NEED A FEDERAL ICAC!!!!!!
    KB
    19th Apr 2016
    5:35pm
    It is not an exctiting time to be an Australian. There are millions of people living in poverty and unable to access a roof over their heads. Jobs are going daily. People of all ages cannot find work. Our hospital system is in crisis. The government should be focussed on finding and implementing solutions rather than worrying about the current industrial bill the Liberals want to push through Parliament., I would prefer Parliament was sitting again for crucial issues that affect the whole of Australia. Roll on election.Please be aware that the Liberals pushed for changes with our voting system to suit themselves
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    6:10pm
    Yes KB and they may find themselves hoist with their own petard.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:46pm
    Yeah KB but have a look at many other parts of the world. Count your blessings.
    Agree with the rest and yes the Liberal Party bastards are trying their best to cut out any Independents so that they own the game.
    Oars
    19th Apr 2016
    6:16pm
    Surprize, surprize. This page has yet again taken labotr's view. So Whitlam was sackewd was he. If my memory serves me right, he sacked most of his ministers as they all tried to tell him he was mad. The labor propoganda brought out it's typical muscle and dirt and made Whitlam look like a heroor marter and Frazer the devil. The Govenor General was also targeted although he has constitutional; DUTY ( that most morons don't understand) to call the d.D.
    Labor in this recent era has got better. They past a biull that the upper house could not squash the bill of supply. So that is why they kept on spending, like brats at someone elsew's party- then snuck out the back door larfing at us poor mugs who used to believe in a faiur go, and labor for the werker. Oh yeah. How many more phony promises will they tell. How would anyone be able to operate with such a door negative party always ready to ruin progress. Go away,backj to Russia where you will soon leand that comuniusm does not work- but they sure as hell have plenty of Vodka at the Kremlin. What a pathetic waste of a column- sorry gang, I'm off to spernd up my pension before it has no value and we get fed to the "pidgeons".
    Oars
    19th Apr 2016
    6:25pm
    I note that this column has assumed that this Government is unpopular. In the 60 years I have been in Australia I have NEVER been asked by any polster about any of these types of opinions. My old friend XXXXX told me he was engaged in "selecting" the right location for certain "NelXXX " poles- that were paid by the factions to get a certain result. I now understand why BullXXXX is rife and abundant when it comes to these "opinion poles". More like "pork barrelling"- if the drones know what that is. I can read between tghe lines, and I hope you guys can too. Labor is doing what it does best- muckstirring and falsifying public opinion. Again.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    6:52pm
    Oars Labor doesn't need to do any muck-stirring as you call it, the Coalition is doing a perfectly good job themselves they don't need any help from anyone else on that front. Frankly I don't know why you bother to visit this site if you can't take any criticism of the party you so obviously favor, I enjoy reading the comments here and respect everybody's right to express their views even if I don't always agree with them.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:51pm
    Are you for real Oars? But then you are a rusted on Liberal who sees nothing other than your brand. Where have you been for the past two and a half years?
    "Muckstirring"? You must be mentally deficient as this is precisely what the government has been doing. That's why there was a Royal Commission into unions and none into the banking industry with 2 decades of proven corruption in the financial services industry.
    Tell it to somebody who cares at your next Liberal Party branch meeting!
    People here have woken up and no amount of lies from trolls, the media or this morally corrupt government will change that. There is just too much water which has flowed under the bridge and this government is dead in the water.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    8:52pm
    Oars, when they were in government they used $150m per year of taxpayer's money to promote their views. Interestingly they aim it at the very young mostly. Shorten wanted to give 16 year olds the vote. If you ask LNP voters as I have done. Have you ever voted for Labor? They will often say yes when I was very young and naive.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:06pm
    Another message from the Liberal Party HQ Frank?
    Public money? Really? Labor never subsidised $8 BILLION a year for the fossil fuel industry. Now that is real money!
    Go back to Malcolm and tell him to CLOSE THE TAX HAVENS used by himself and other wealthy Australians who are avoiding paying tax. And then sal him to go after the multinationals who send profits in Australia so that they can pay zilch tax.
    When you achieve the above come back and complain about something this government is doing on a daily basis. Hypocrite!

    19th Apr 2016
    7:29pm
    Australia is a FAT WEALTHY country and the 'sharks' are circling our shores, just waiting to go in for the kill!

    THAT is what this election is about:


    Foreign Corporate Control vs Australian Democracy



    Do what you like for House of Reps vote for whoever you like ........

    .........BUT absolutely do NOT put this PARTICULAR group of LIBs in control of the SENATE...

    .........if you want Australian independence from FOREIGN nations and their megacorps...

    .........it is ESSENTIAL that this PARTICULAR group of LIBs do NOT control the BOTH HOUSES


    IF THEY DO, Australia loses its DEMOCRACY and the Foreign Corporates CONTROL our country.
    mangomick
    19th Apr 2016
    7:51pm
    The Independents in the Senate have been reasonably fair minded in their views. if the LNP cannot get their legislation through the Upper house then they need to modify adjust and compromise. Their failure to get their legislation through he upper house speaks plenty about their lack of ability to Govern in a manner where the interests of all Australians are concerned.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    8:31pm
    Double Disillusion Indeed ! :-) And You thought ELLS were Slippery ! :-) :-)
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    8:48pm
    A handful of people should not be able to yield so much power and not let the government govern. Simply ridiculous.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:54pm
    This has been my contention for a long time wally. Unless they are bought out INdependents will GOVERN and not be puppets for third parties be it unions or the rich who consider themselves to be the owners of society.
    Vote Independent and you vote for the future of the nation. Vote Liberal and you hand the country over to multinationals and the rich who have interests in these companies.
    I'll be making sure the Xenophon Party gets my vote and I encourage others to do the same. You want proper government? Then vote out the bastards!
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    8:58pm
    What do you mean Bonny?, if the Govt of the day wants to pass any old bill that suits them or their cronies who back them, then the Senate should just roll over and let it through?, get real Bonny that is not Democracy but Dictatorship and who wants that in this country.
    mangomick
    19th Apr 2016
    9:37pm
    The current Senate pretty well represents the political make-up of the population. The support for the LNP is about on a par with the support for Labor. Roughly 10% of the population favour the Green's policy ,other independents or don't really give a stuff either way. If the LNP really had a true mandate to govern in their own right then a double dissolution wouldn't be about to happen. The LNP need to learn to compromise if they want to get Legislation through. They don't represent a reasonable percentage or majority of the population. If they cannot compromise and present a reasonable case for any Legislation to pass both houses they don't deserve to Govern.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    8:10pm
    Now is the time for all good Men and Women to come to... OUR NEXT PARTY !! :-) :-)
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    8:37pm
    'It's my party and I'll cry if I want to..............."
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    8:49pm
    Lesley Gore..
    1964... Just to Rhyme :-):-)
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    8:52pm
    No flies on you particolor.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    8:55pm
    A vote in time saves nine...........
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    8:56pm
    No ! Think they all died when they Commikazied into Malcolm's Boiling Hot Porridge !!
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    9:03pm
    particolor, Turnbull is a stooge of The UN, they were responsible for replacing the Rightful PM Mr Abbott, with "THEIR OWN MAN". I agree he deserves to be boiled, but alive.
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:15pm
    What....you want Mr "he lied" back?
    Personally I do not want liars of any colour back. That would get rid of most of the Howard leftover front bench......as should have happened after Howard was kicked out.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:23pm
    niem.. Your preaching to the Converted I woke up to all those Mongrels a long time back ! Who in their Right Mind sells something that doesn't belong to them, And is making a Huge Ongoing Profit that benefits the WHOLE Country ?? :-( The Commonwealth Bank, The Lotteries, Medicare and on it goes ............. :-(
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    9:29pm
    Particolor. I will be voting ALA in the upcoming GE. I have seen first hand what is happening in Western Europe, governed by despots. from Brussels. We need a party similar to UKIP and Britain First to bring us out of the mire. Australia will be a "goner" if LIB/LAB/Greens are allowed to continue in office. ALA is this party.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    9:27am
    What we need is Independents not funded by big business. I imagine the ALA like the Liberal Party is probably another agent for big biz and as such to be avoided if you want to change the political system so that it works.
    particolor
    23rd Apr 2016
    4:50pm
    Big Business needs the Mafia in this Country ! Cough Up ! or we'll send the Boys around !! :-) :-)

    19th Apr 2016
    8:58pm
    great to see mick is in the foreground of advising people to vote for the labor party, even if his advise is for voting for the independents, as long as their preferences go to the labor party, shows his intelligence, as for voting towards the labor party, this is the party who with rudd, gillard, rudd turned a 100 billion dollars in the bank into a 450 billion debt within a 3 years regime, labor micks excuse,everybody received $ 900.00 and schools got halls, many of the halls are impossible to be used, the winners were the pokies, for weeks you had to fight to play them, I can assure you my money is still receving interest,
    labor mick you boast about your skiing adventues, I hope you don.t hit your head to many times.

    nto an debt even our grand children will have trouble to pay off, rudds $ 900.00 dollars to everybody, including those who had been dead for many years, was applauded by labor mick and his cohorts and yes labor mick call me a troll, but better a troll with a mind of my own than being a slave to a party as labor mick is to the labor party this time,
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:10pm
    Here we have Frank's other avatar...the vile heemskerk. Could have thought of a better name Frank.
    Rudd, Gillard, unions....blah, blah, blah. What a dead waste of time! You are running out of ammunition mate so you have to repeat the same inconsequential crap.
    Thanks for providing me with some amusement again. I do not what know what you are going to do after the election when the public money dries up (due to a change of government). Start looking at Centrelink maybe. You'll fit in well at Mount Druitt methinks.
    Yeah...rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb!
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    9:22pm
    Really heemskerk99 and what about the debt the Coalition have racked up since they came to power?, no answer for that have you because sadly there isn't one that suits your agenda.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    10:17pm
    Fact Checker.
    Heemskirk is correct. There were 8 strong years of the mining boom which lasted between 2004-2011. Both LNP and Labor shared the 8 years equally, that is to say each party governed through 4 years of boom. By far the last 4 years were the greatest of the 8 year boom.
    The Howard government with Peter Costello managed to share the boom with workers by giving them a tax cut it also set up a future fund and had no debt to speak of.
    Sadly, the Rudd/Swan, Gillard/Swan 4 years of the boom was a shameful period in Australia's history which left us with record debt with nothing to show for it but set top boxes and pink batts in our roof.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    9:28am
    Yeah...where the mining boom money was squandered on a Baby Bonus. Shame Howard shame!
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    9:32am
    The AEC often chooses to ignore the rules as well. Ask it why candidates are allowed to put their signs up on public property? Despite being illegal in the Act the AEC refuses to pursue those who break the rules. What needs to happen is that these cheats, should they win, need to be disqualified.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    12:40pm
    MICK, I am not blaming Rudd, Gillard and Swan. They had to do what they were told by Shorten. I will never forget Gillard going to Rudd's office asking for the keys, then walking from the office to ring Bill Shorten with the message....."he wont go Bill" lol.
    Poor Kevin 007 had to learn the hard way that when you make a deal with the Union Bosses you keep it.
    Seems kind of strange to have a PM who is not in charge.
    Misty
    20th Apr 2016
    1:16pm
    How do you know that Frank, were you following Julia Gillard close enough to hear what was said?. Just heard on the news Forum scores Australia lowest on the NBN access and affordability so much for the Libs great NBN plan makes us the laughing stock of the world and what was Malcolm doing?, wasn't he the minister for the NBN? and now sees he wants an Innovation Boom well he might just start with the NBN and see if he can fix the mess the Coalition have made of this.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    1:34pm
    Four corners interview with Julia Gillard.
    We should have let the Chinese build our NBN. Australia is becoming very poor at getting high end productivity.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    9:17pm
    You d*ick Frank! Turnbull destroyed the NBN we were supposed to have. Remember....a "combination of copper and wireless"? Now the system is hit and miss, not as fast as it should be and it cost more to fix the mismatches than the original proposal.
    All due to Malcolm Turnbull!
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    9:39pm
    We have the NBN we can afford. You are a worry MICK.
    Lescol
    19th Apr 2016
    9:09pm
    For many elections I worked as a poll clerk. Bonny and others, an informal vote is a vote for the incumbent. If you seek change then only way is to ensure you cast a formal vote and mark the present government last. That sends a message to many. cheers
    MICK
    19th Apr 2016
    9:12pm
    Good advice. Spot on.
    Let's hope that people stop listening to the mainstream media which is controlled by the big end of town to further it's interest.
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    9:19pm
    That's rubbish they go into the informal box and no one benefits from blank voting forms. That's just propaganda that the opposition media comes up with at every election.

    I might just screw mine up and put it in the rubbish instead.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    9:36pm
    Did you Google it Bonny if you don't believe Lescol?.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:43pm
    That IS TRUE a Destroyed or Scribbled on vote, is a Vote for the Incumbent Mobbsters !! :-(
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    9:43pm
    A vote is regarded as informal if the ballot paper has not been completed properly. Informal ballot papers are not counted towards any candidate but are set aside.

    http://www.aec.gov.au/voting/informal_voting/
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:46pm
    That being so ! It is STILL a vote for the Incumbent ! :-( Because you Didn't vote for anyone else !! SHEESH !! :-(
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    9:47pm
    So if they are being counted it is a breach of the AEC rules. I'll send to note to the AEC informing them that this may be happening.
    Misty
    19th Apr 2016
    9:48pm
    Sorry fellas but Bonny is correct, I just checked on the Electoral Commission website.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:49pm
    Throwing My Light Bill in the Dirt Tin doesn't make it go away :-)
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    9:51pm
    Throwing my light bill in the bin costs me money as I get a refund every quarter.
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    9:55pm
    OK ! Technically its a vote for the Incumbent Party !
    Read all the Political Bobbly Gook You like ! Its still a Wasted Vote if You don't like the Palookas that are Ruining the Joint :-( :-( :-(
    LiveItUp
    19th Apr 2016
    10:00pm
    It's more of a case of out of the frying pan into the fire as far as I'm concerned.

    One is bad enough but the solution may be far worse.
    Adrianus
    19th Apr 2016
    10:06pm
    Bonny is right.
    Here's what the AEC reckons and they may know.

    A vote is regarded as informal if the ballot paper has not been completed properly. Informal ballot papers are not counted towards any candidate but are set aside.

    According to section 268 of the Commonwealth Electoral Act (1918), a vote is informal if:
    •the ballot paper is not marked at all
    •the ballot paper does not have the official mark and has not been initialled by the polling official, and the ballot paper is not authentic in the opinion of the Divisional Returning Officer (DRO)
    •the ballot paper has writing on it which identifies the voter
    •in the case of an absent vote, the ballot paper is not contained in the declaration envelope
    •the voter has not completed a full preferential vote. There are savings measures to keep formal some ballot papers marked incompletely or incorrectly.
    niemakawa
    19th Apr 2016
    10:10pm
    And there is no corruption in the AEC?
    particolor
    19th Apr 2016
    10:19pm
    :-) :-) :-)
    Misty
    20th Apr 2016
    1:18pm
    I guess you could say they are a vote for the incumbent because it means those votes cannot be counted against him or her.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    1:36pm
    Misty, you must be a labor voter with that sort of logic.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    10:09pm
    And you must be a government funded stoolie with your usual BS which is either old hat or simply is misleading. Intentionally!
    Big Kev
    20th Apr 2016
    8:09am
    Frankly it is sad that Turntobull is using the ABCCC as a trigger. During the period of existence of ABCC according to ABS data, the level of disputation was higher, the level of productivity lower and the level of death and injury higher. So evidently the Liebrals want us to be governed by death and maiming. I much more support a Royal Commission into Banks. They have a culture that hurts everyday Australians and small business. They set fees that hurt the common person. At the Senate Hearing they avoided questions into their culture of profit before people. A Royal commission would force them to answer and show that they place far too much emphasis on return to shareholders and paying outrageous salaries to their bosses. ASIC does not have the powers to regulate and this govt has ripped their staffing to the bone. Only through a Royal Commission will people be forced to answer and those past leaders held to account when they leave. I remember reading of one boss who got $30 mil bonuses because share price was up but six months later it was in the toilet. The Liebrals held a union Royal Commission costing millions that could have been spent on public housing or health to attack unions because they support the Labor party. What did they get. A couple of people who had already been sacked and reported to police. Some documents shredded as per the legal timetable and a few vulgar union delegates. Perhaps if you had seen four people fall to their deaths on building sites as I have, then you could understand vulgarity. This is just a white collar worker walking the streets and seeing people die horribly. They died due to bad management practices and these people got away with fines of a few thousand dollars.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    9:05am
    Firstly Big Kev, what would you have used as a trigger for the DD?
    If you want a royal commission into banking then please have a more plausible reason than to discuss "banking culture." Every business has a culture. Do you want a royal commission to discuss the culture of any other business group? I agree the banking sector has been under fire for, questionable "financial advice" and using antiquated policy definitions to refuse insurance claims. This is the result of ALP policy. The banking sector was changed by Paul Keating in the 90's. The demutualised life insurance companies merged their centuries old cultures with the banks' cultures and with some new rules. That's why it was so hard to remove the ex ALP president from the Board even though he was facing gaol time for pocketing $m's of union fees.
    A royal commission into banking is a waste of time , resources and money.
    Regarding ASIC, it was depleted by the ALP, both financially and legally and that showed in it's inability to clamp down on Storm when it found spurious dealings a couple of years prior to a major share market correction combined with a slowing housing market.
    The LNP boosted funding to ASIC, but soon after were forced to use the additional funds elsewhere. There is currently an inquiry into ASIC's legal powers which may prove interesting.
    I agree with your assertion regarding safe work practices. Unless you are in the ADF you shouldn't expect to die on the job. I'm sorry you had to see that. :(
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    9:43am
    A contrived event so that Turnbull can change public scrutiny from Banks and Tax Havens. You'll keep hearing about unions from this government and its representative Frank on this website as Turnbull has his own fingers personally in the Tax Haven pie.
    Have you wondered Kev WHY the extraordinary amount of money stolen by the rich from the national economy merits only a few days in the media spotlight whilst the much lesser one of (limited) union corruption never goes away? Corruption at work peddled by a media owned by the big end of town.
    Misty
    20th Apr 2016
    10:33am
    Frank why bother having a DD at all?, the election was due this year anyway, possibly only 2 months later in fact, what a waste of money bringing Parliament back early just to suit MT'S agenda.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    12:15pm
    Labor hates the banks, many people hate the banks. Labor is an efficient political machine without substance. That's why in their final days of government and upon a reflection of a wasted term they usually put through something big, something we cannot afford, something that will leave a positive and lasting legacy. We saw it recently with Obama wanting to close the Guantanamo Bay facility. We saw the Gillard/Shorten/Rudd effort with NDIS, NBN. The job is left for others to do but it's a matter of whose name is inked on the contracts.
    Why did Labor bring up a Banking Inquiry now ? Right at this time? Why not during the 6 years of their government? Instead all we got from these ex union bosses was hand wringing, crying and whinging about the banks. Every time Swan wanted a headline he would bash a bank to deflect attention from the ALP's very poor performance. It worked then for the feeble minded and it's working now, because the feeble minded have the memory of a shubunkin.
    MICK, I don't agree with your argument that only big business should be accused and harassed by legal inquiry for a few years to get a better understanding of their culture.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    12:26pm
    Everybody hates the banks Frank...and that is coming from a shareholder of one bank! Even the St. George TV add started off on this theme.
    I am in favour of a FEDERAL ICAC. Both Labor and Liberal oppose it. Why? Because both have their fingers in the pie and both are accepting donations from big business. Having said that the Liberal Party has made this corrupt behaviour an artform. It needs to end.
    I would be happy to forgo a Royal Commission into the financial services industry if a federal ICAC were established with both wide ranging powers and the ability to initiate legal proceedings.
    This should NOT be a political argument. It should be an equity and justice matter.
    mangomick
    20th Apr 2016
    12:53pm
    Governments first role is to protect it's people. Protect them from potential terrorist attacks coming across their borders and to protect them from Corruption in all places including Banks and Union movements. You cannot pretend to protect them from Union corruption while turning a blind eye to banking entities colluding, conniving and fraudulently rigging bank bill swap rates, LIBOR rates , deliberately offering poor financial advice to their customers so as to gain huge financial advantages. mis-selling of hybrid securities and other complicated investment products, involvement in collapsed managed investment schemes, dubious consumer credit insurance practices and charging unconscionable bank fees are just a few examples of banks doing the wrong thing.
    Funny how we only see major inquiries into such things by the Government of the day . (when it suits them).
    Whether you are of the extreme Right or Left ,neither is without sin. The LNP and their supporters right now shouldn't pretend to be so righteous. This DD is just a sham that will come back to bite them on the arse. One really must have the memory of a Goldfish (shunbunkin if you like) if you have forgotten the role of the major financial institutions around the world in the GFC. Do you really believe Australians banks were goody two shoes through all this. Retirees who were encouraged to borrow and invest in Storm Financial would disagree.
    Misty
    20th Apr 2016
    1:34pm
    Well Frank you might think that the Coalition making the Banks fund ASIC as well as the Govt is a good idea well I don't, what idiot thought this one up and don't they think the banks won't pass these costs onto their customers?, they always have done so far so what will be different.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    2:15pm
    Misty, consumers/taxpayers always pay. For those of you who want a Royal Commission into just about anything, are you prepared to pay with a drop in welfare or an increase in taxes?
    The $120m is a drop in the ocean for the banking sector. They already pay in other ways for a self regulatory system.
    Perhaps you would like to see an inquiry into whether the $120m is good value? The ALP when in government sold two Billiard tables for $6,000 then spent $100,000 to investigate wether the sale was value for money.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    10:07pm
    ASIC is a known dead dog. Never much ever has a prosecution. Never much ever stops corruption in companies. Just accepts money and we get jobs for the boys.
    Turnbull knows full well why he did this.....so that the banks could have business as usual. The same reason Abbott tore up legislation Labor left to make the banks more accountable.
    No amount of fraud from banks will ever result in fair dinkum protection being brought in from any coalition government. Same dea as the Gun Lobby in the US where no number of massacres will change anything.
    Anonymous
    21st Apr 2016
    4:01pm
    I once had a close association with an ASIC lawyer (not by choice!) She proved to be the biggest liar I've ever met and she supported and assisted gross illegal dealings. How can a policing body work if staff are dishonest?
    Lescol
    20th Apr 2016
    1:04pm
    Bonny is correct. Informal votes are fully excluded from the process. The remaining votes from each polling booth in the electorate are tallied and if one of the candidates has more than 50% of the vote, then they are declared elected.I used poor English.

    If the 50% of the vote figure is not reached then the candidate with the smallest vote is removed, and his or her preferences will be individually re-allocated to the remaining candidates If no candidate has more than 50% then this elimination process is continued.

    So by informal voting you imply that you accept the current situation i.e. imply a vote for the incumbent. cheers
    niemakawa
    21st Apr 2016
    12:52am
    This quote still rings true today. This is the way "democracy" works today.

    "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

    Joseph Stalin
    Adrianus
    21st Apr 2016
    8:46am
    Nobody would be more aware of Stalin's remark than Anthony Albanese.
    Albo lost in a tight one having secured more than 60% of the vote.
    That's right, the winner got less than 40%.
    buby
    20th Apr 2016
    3:10pm
    who subscribes to GEUP? anybody
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    3:14pm
    buby are you referring to GetUp?
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    10:04pm
    Everybody should buby.
    GetUp is not controlled by big business interests and is a thorn in the side of the current dishonest government. It just released information regarding Tax Shelters. Annual cost to taxpayers ober $5 billion and I am not sure if that was just the one exposed recently. Apparently that one did not even make the top 10 despite a huge amount of money being channelled into it.
    To give you some idea of how concerned the big boys are with GetUp one just needs to look at the last election campaign where the Murdoch Press was running its unprecedented dirty anti Labor campaign. GetUp aired a PAID add on the commercial channels telling Murdoch that Australians did not need to be told how to vote (ie LIberal). It was pulled after 1 night. No action ever taken against 7 and 9 media. Why does that not surprise anyone,
    niemakawa
    20th Apr 2016
    10:22pm
    Mick et al. Australia is no longer a democracy and the concept of voting every 3 years is only there to keep us quiet. Democracy will only ever be restored once THE PEOPLE take real action instead of putting a cross on a piece of paper. Look at emerging parties such as Australian Liberty Alliance, if you want to start somewhere in bringing back normality to our once great Country. Bear in mind that Australia being part of The UN is under extreme pressure to conform to its rules and laws. Australia must leave the UN if it wants to retain its Sovereignty.
    Adrianus
    21st Apr 2016
    8:30am
    niemakawa, they look pretty impressive! Some great policies and very good candidates. In NSW Kirralie Smith, outstanding. In QLD Bernard Gaynor, only 36, have you seen his record, how does he achieve so much? And he and his wife have 7 children! In SA ex police officer and community leader John Bolton.
    I think they will get a couple of Senate seats.
    libsareliars
    20th Apr 2016
    3:14pm
    This ABCC is another LNP/IPA ideologically driven policy to hurt unions and workers and with the sham TURC is being used to try to destroy unions and get the LNP/IPA back into power. I just hope that people are aware enough to see that the LNP/IPA only look after the big end of town. The policies that Abbott wanted to introduce in the May 2014 budget are still there just stalled.
    Adrianus
    20th Apr 2016
    3:29pm
    So libs, you are ok with union corruption. :(
    buby
    20th Apr 2016
    7:41pm
    there is so much corruption, will nilly, I'm just so sick of all the parties. Do they, have they done anything in 20-30yrs to improve our hospital systems. PPL are suffering, waiting for much needed operations.Stop buying the Rubbish being made in china, WE made better quality, and all was well. WE had jobs, SO who really got greedy???
    Anonymous
    20th Apr 2016
    8:04pm
    just read libbies posts and one realizes how one eyed these people are and how welded they are to the party and this include the self appointed organiser of these columns, 150 to 200 out of 300 comments is not a bad example, independent,don't laugh, labor mick.
    waiting for labor mick and his disciples, e.a big kev, particolor, fast eddy, he could not beat a snail, etc, to call me a troll, I'll be proud to accept that honor, it will only show their hatred to anybody who dares to have another opinion as to their's and their party's believes, forget about the good of Australia, their party 's ideologies will come first, second and third before the country's needs are even put on the labor agenda, you make your own bed you sleep in it.
    MICK
    20th Apr 2016
    9:58pm
    Frank the crank and Frank's heemskerk avatar again.
    Unions, lefties, ABC, Royal Commissions, pink batts, set top boxes.......
    I am in hysterics. What a clown!

    buby: the posts from the above are bogus. Frank likely a government funded troll and more than likely an ex Liberal MP providing services to the Liberal Party. Sleazebag!
    Farside
    21st Apr 2016
    12:49pm
    it surprises me how many of the commentators below live in the NSW electorate of Wentworth so that they may direct their votes to someone other than Malcolm Turnbull. The solution is to insist on local representation to change the behaviour of the elected politicians; they just need to be reminded how they got into those positions. So come these elections, vote for the best candidate who is local to your area regardless of political persuasion. You want the person who represents more closely your views and votes accordingly in the parliament.
    mangomick
    21st Apr 2016
    2:04pm
    Trouble is though ,while a local candidate may reflect a great percentage of my view on voting day ,once elected he is dictated how to vote as per the Party line and not as per the wishes of his own constituency.
    And the Party is dictated to by lobby groups. Depending on how powerful and financially forth coming the particular Lobby is that is dictating the changes to legislation then that is the outcome that is achieved.
    Good reason for electing good honest independents .
    Farside
    21st Apr 2016
    2:13pm
    If your elected representative does not vote according to the electorate's wishes then kick the prick out at the next opportunity. They will work it out eventually, and yes likely we will see plenty of independents.
    mangomick
    21st Apr 2016
    2:29pm
    I guess if you look at voter intention for say Victoria ,you have 36% LABOR , 42% LNP, 15% GREEN and 7% other.
    I guess an elected representative is always going to pee someone off.
    Farside
    21st Apr 2016
    2:34pm
    If you want to see how this can work, look up the WA state elections for Liz Constable. Screwed over by the Libs, she ran as an independent and became longest serving female member by listening to the electorate and representing their views in the Parliament. She managed to piss off both of the major parties at various times. You would be surprised how well an organised group of independents could perform given the chance.
    mangomick
    21st Apr 2016
    2:52pm
    Yeah i know how good local independent can be and how hard they work for the Community.Liz Cunningham was our Local Independent Queensland Government member for Gladstone . She ran and won four terms in a predominately blue collar seat., She wasn't that far behind Liz Constable, as far as long running representatives was concerned either. I think from memory Liz served four terms before retiring form State politics from 1995 to 2015. She was a great representative and a great person. Also committed a large portion of her life to Local Government both as Councillor and Mayor

    23rd Apr 2016
    2:16pm
    Well what a surprise. Can't afford pensions, health, education... got to cut, cut, cut. Got to find more ways to deprive older Australians of their lifestyle and security. But now there's an election on, suddenly the Government can apparently afford tax cuts for middle income earning Australians. Vote buying, perhaps?
    Farside
    23rd Apr 2016
    3:28pm
    Of course it's vote buying, not in the safe seats but those marginal electorates that swing on a few hundred votes to determine who makes up the government. Coalition and ALP alike have long ignored fixing the broken tax system and revenue generation to keep happy those few thousand voters across marginal seats. So if pensioners want to feel more represented they should also play the politics, organise and do whatever it takes to make sure their local pollies are in marginal seats as it is only in marginal seats that you can be sure whoever wins will be listening to the electorate.
    Misty
    23rd Apr 2016
    4:53pm
    Sophia Mirabella let the cat out of the bag about funding didn't she, just look at the back pedalling now trying to make out this sort of thing doesn't happen during election campaigns, do politicians think we are such fools as to believe that.


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