DSP under fire

Changes to indexation could see Disability Support Pension (DSP) rates cut.

DSP under fire

Changes to indexation could see Disability Support Pension (DSP) rates cut and more frequent medical reviews may mean that the DSP is removed altogether.

If the recommendation of the Commission of Audit is adopted, the DSP will no longer be benchmarked against the Male Total Average Weekly Earnings (MTAWE) and will only be indexed to the rise in the Consumer Price Index (CPI) or the Pensioner and Beneficiary Living Cost Index (PBLCI), whichever is greater. This will bring the DSP into line with other work-related support payments such as the Newstart Allowance.

According to Deloitte Access Economics, this would save the Government $2.4 billion over the next four years. Benchmarking of the DSP to the MTAWE has resulted in six of the last 10 pension increases. Where the CPI rose by 17 per cent between 2005 and 2011, the MTAWE rose by 23 per cent.

It has also been mooted that a large number of people receiving the DSP will need to be re-examined by an independent doctor. Those who were assessed by their family doctors prior to the Labor Government tightening the rules in 2011 would be re-examined by Department of Human Services medical officers. Further changes could also see tiered payments depending on the type of disability and ability to undertake part-time work.

Disability Discrimination Commissioner Graeme Innes said: "To effectively move the test back a few years, it just seems a cruel way of penalising people who’ve been in receipt of a benefit. Introducing a quarterly or six-monthly check is just adding more complexity both for the Centrelink system and for people with disabilities."

Welfare Minister Kevin Andrews has spent some time in New Zealand recently and is said to favour some of the features from its welfare system, which "invests" in people before they become entrenched on welfare. He has told Patrick McClure, who is overseeing the Government’s review of the welfare system, to have a close look at how New Zealand manages its system.


Read more about DSP indexation at TheAustralian.com.au

Read more about changes to eligibility for DSP at SMH.com.au


Opinion: Will Age Pensions be next?

Proposed changes to indexation of the Disability Support Pension may only be the tip of the iceberg, with all payments coming under increased Government scrutiny.

When those receiving the DSP turn 65, they are contacted by Centrelink and asked if they wish to continue receiving the payment or switch to the Age Pension. Given that payment rates and eligibility rules don’t differ greatly, many choose to stay with the DSP. However, if there were a difference in how both pensions are indexed, then many more would probably make the switch. This would undoubtedly put pressure on the Government to also change the indexation of the Age Pension.

Benchmarking the Age Pension to the Male Total Average Weekly Earnings (MTAWE) has meant that the rate of a single Age Pension has increased by $2000 more over the last four years than if it were indexed only to the Consumer Price Index (CPI) or Pensioner and Beneficiary Living Cost Index (PBLCI). If you extrapolate this over the next four years, assuming growth is steady, then those on the DSP would be receiving $2000 less than those on the Age Pension. Which would you choose? Given that the current single Age Pension and DSP, including supplements, is some $1371 less than the ASFA retirement standard for a modest lifestyle, a further reduction of $2000 would have a devastating effect on pensioners’ budgets.

Since the Howard Government introduced the benchmarking of pensions to a percentage of male earnings in 1996 it has resulted in an increase of $7000 in the annual rate. This means that without this benchmarking, the annual Age Pension, including supplements, would be $14,912 or $573 per fortnight. How could anyone survive on this meagre amount?

Other revenue measures being considered by the Abbott Government could see fuel prices rise under an increase to the fuel levy and the payment of a supplement to see a doctor, putting further pressure on already tight pensioner budgets. If pension indexation is hit as well, those struggling may simply find it all too much to take.

Could you imagine living on $7000 less per year? Do you think it’s reasonable to change the way the DSP is indexed, without also changing the indexation formula for the Age Pension?





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    Misty
    12th May 2014
    11:01am
    This government will go down in History as the worst government ever if this speculation becomes fact, they are trying to do too much too soon. The infrastructure planned, roads etc does not benefit country people at all and will not be enough to provide work for all those being put off soon, namely the Public Servants. Apparently the Public Transport Plans are terrible with no thought being given to people with disabilities so heaven only knows when that will be fixed and at what extra cost if these changes are not budgeted for.
    How can anyone trust this LIEBRIL GOVERNMENT when they are breaking promises every day, what happened to Tony Abbott's NO SURPRISES, NO NEW TAX'S, NO CHANGES TO THE PENSION, NO CUTS TO THE ABC,SBS ETC, he made such a big thing out of Julia Gillard's one broken promise, No Carbon Tax under a government I lead, ranting and raving every day in Parliament and at every doorstop he did, so who can believe anything that comes out of his mouth now.
    Luchar
    12th May 2014
    10:24pm
    "Misty",
    Do I assume from this statement that you now put your trust back with Shorten et.al. This the mob which has done its best to derail the Coalition's "Stop the Boats" policy", despite it having been a cornerstone of Coalition promises. This is the mob which is now protesting about Abbott's broken promises after having used the Senate to stop Abbott keeping promises taken to the last election. This is the mob which itself went to the last election with the promise to drop the carbon tax, but now stops Abbott keeping that same promise; This is the mob which belatedly tried to reduce spending by promising cuts in health and education spending, only to block Abbott in the Senate when he wanted to legislate to introduce Labor's own policy.

    This, "Misty" is the mob which you now want uas to trust. What a short memory you have!
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    10:53pm
    Obviously you did not read the above Luchar or you wouldn't be talking about BROKEN PROMISES. Tony Abbott is the master of BROKEN PROMISES, he also said NO EXCUSES if you remember so he can't use the fact that he now says he didn't know the correct state of the economy as an excuse. I don't believe him on that one for a start as Treasury gives all parties the current budget statement before an election, or so I have been told, so NO I wouldn't believe this bunch of LIEBRILS either.
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    11:04am
    I also forgot to include NO CUTS TO MEDICARE.
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    11:11am
    And he also said NO EXCUSES so he doesn't have a leg to stand on, definitely NO MANDATE to bring in all these tax's etc.
    Bobeye
    12th May 2014
    11:36am
    It is said that you have to go backwards before you can go on. In my opinion this LNP Government lead by Tony Abbott is going to drive old age pensioners into the grave by reducing income so we cannot buy food after paying for all the other costs of living.
    The wife and I will be reduced to skeletons wrapped in our electric blankets (set on 1). The only compensation will be a warm passing.
    So much for working for 50 years of working and saving for retirement? Even the small superannuation and funeral funds we have had the value reduced due to the low rates of interest paid on them.
    At 73 and 70 we were looking at enjoying life into our 80's but it looks like that is only a dream.
    Budwah
    12th May 2014
    12:04pm
    And did not some want to bring in voluntary euthanasia?
    moke
    12th May 2014
    4:26pm
    Euthanasia! it will cost to much now to save any medications to take to finish it all so the present Government will have to starve us to death and it looks like they are hell bent on just that. I have been in Australia for 66 years arriving as a child migrant and I do not think I have ever seen a more lying underhand lot than we have at the moment, if only some one could pull their plug and have a double dissolution
    Waytoopoortobeme
    12th May 2014
    12:18pm
    Yes the Rich getter Richer & the poor poorer. It seems that Abbott & Costello, I mean Hockey think those on Welfare need less. Hawke set up a relatively good system to assist those in need years ago & now these clowns want to pull it apart & have us all go backwards by paying More for Everything on Less!! God Help Australia.
    Nightshade
    12th May 2014
    1:46pm
    The Idle Rich are "mates" & are given for free.
    But Australian business apart from the "mates" are being torn down to zero.
    The rich are getting richer is not true.
    You can not open a business in Australia unless you are a "mate"
    If you are a business in Australia they will come & steal it from you & or tear you down & shut you down.
    THE ABC LEARNING CENTERS PROVIDED CHILD CARE FOR WORKING PARENTS -
    A VITAL SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY
    THEY WERE TARGETED BY THE BANKING SECTOR
    BRAINWASHED INTO EXTENDING THEIR MARGIN TO UNREALISTIC & NONVIABLE EXTREMES & THEY WENT BUST.
    DO NOT TELL ME THAT THE BANK DID NOT KNOW - PLEASE !
    Hillbillypete
    12th May 2014
    12:32pm
    You say (It has also been mooted that a large number of people receiving the DSP will need to be re-examined by an independent doctor. Those who were assessed by their family doctors prior to the Labour Government tightening the rules in 2011 would be re-examined by Department of Human Services medical officers.) That will be the same as being assessed by Work Cover doctors, they are all payed off to be on the Government's side, not yours so you have no hope of winning.

    12th May 2014
    12:39pm
    Typical - attack those least able to defend themselves.... these clowns are strutting about saying 'not ideological', blah-blah-blah - yet are intent on attacking those who are the lowest crustees and in many cases unable to mount a defence.

    Some areas are government pure and simple and need to be to protect those with genuine needs - and cannot be privatised - and as for 'independent doctors' - who are they?

    I've had two reviews by 'human services' doctors - they laugh at the idea that I should even be reviewed, and this has been in place for years now anyway.

    How many 'rorts' do you think will be 'found out'? I give you maybe ten..... but I'll bet this expensive review process will not reveal that in reality.

    As for the payment method of evaluation - is that linked to the same as that of politicians yet?

    Final note - are they going to launch a jihad on Veteran pensions for PTSD and such? They do not have the stones....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlOxiwGLAkY
    Wstaton
    12th May 2014
    1:24pm
    And strutting smoking their cigars!!!
    Luchar
    12th May 2014
    10:10pm
    "The Grappler",

    Exactly where do you get the idea that Abbott and Hockey are about to attack "those least able to defend themselves"? Methinks you have been watching too much ABC where every item relating to proposed cuts to some receiving disability support pension is accompanied by images of the most profoundly disabled - the very people who have nothing to fear from the proposed cuts. The only people with anything to fear from reviews by independent doctors are those who have been rorting the system.
    Nightshade
    12th May 2014
    12:52pm
    DISABILITY SUPPORT IS ONLY $2.50 MORE A FORTNIGHT
    WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO CUT
    I THINK IT IS TIME TO ASK WHAT KIND OF HERBAL TEA THEY DRINK IN CANBERRA ?
    Waytoopoortobeme
    12th May 2014
    1:22pm
    Or more to point what Mr Hockey & Mathius Cormann were smoking out on that deck!
    Wstaton
    12th May 2014
    1:25pm
    Maybe it was smack.
    LENYJAC
    12th May 2014
    3:43pm
    I DO THINK THEY ARE ALL HALLUCINATING ON SOME DRUG THAT WE DONT KNOW ABOUT?????
    Rob
    12th May 2014
    1:01pm
    I have no difficulty with any government challenging and ensuring that those who receive welfare from the taxpayers are actually entitled to it. Also I have no difficulty with the concept people who are able to work either full-time or part-time should be firmly encouraged to do so. The government just needs to ensure that a safety net exists to support those who are unemployed or on the age pension.
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    1:18pm
    I do agree with you that there are probably some people who are rorting the system, it is just the way this government is going about it, and why have the 2 Royal Commissions into Unions and the Insulation Scheme running at this particular time?, it wouldn't be to deflect attention from their terrible budget would it, or am I just being too cynical. What do they think getting rid of 16000 Public Servants will do to the economy?, especially in a small city like Canberra?, it took years to recover after Howard sacked a lot when he was elected, it is hard enough now to get a decent service from some Government Agencies I wonder how long the waiting lines will be now when this happens or the wait on the phone.
    moke
    12th May 2014
    4:35pm
    I also agree Rob there are quite a few rorting the system but I wonder if cutting Public Servants will include some inefficient Politicians, I would bet a penny to a pound there wont be any top dogs losing their jobs unless of course they don't kowtow to Hockey or Abbot
    Budwah
    12th May 2014
    1:08pm
    And those who were granted a DSP back in the 90's had to front a Government doctor before they received the pension. Did their doctors make a BIG mistake? One wonders where all the compassion in our society has gone? But then again if we all are able to survive the next few years we may have a change of Government - one for the better I hope. Just imagine all the worry and stress these (words cannot describe) characters are putting the vulnerable in our society through, which they don't need on top of their ailments.
    Penqueen1949
    14th May 2014
    11:49pm
    Budwah I had to front a government doctor in 1990 to be assessed for DSP even though I was not capable of filling out the complex forms at the time due to my constant epileptic type seizures. A social worker from the department came and filled out the forms for me in front of myself and my then husband. I was barely able to sign the forms at the time I was granted DSP and my then husband was granted a Carers Pension. Roll on to 1993 and my then husband had no choice but to return to full time work leaving me home alone all day while still very ill. We still had the same bills to pay as we did while he was working and the departments answer was for us to declare ourselves bankrupt..... not an option for us with a proud and hard worked for AAA credit rating. So I was off the DSP solely because of my then husbands fulltime work. Roll on 2004 and I was once again forced to apply for DSP and go before a department doctor because of a marriage breakdown and me still being unable to work. Now I'm 64 1/2 on DSP and need help with shopping and housework as my health has deteriorated further. I fully expect to be reassessed for work before I turn 65 later this year because I do NOT trust this lousy government. Let them try......I think that they intend to completely abolishing the DSP and hope people on the Age Pension will die quicker because they will have less money for food, rent or rates and medicines.....
    Wstaton
    12th May 2014
    1:22pm
    Although I do think there should be tighter restrictions on who gets welfare as like with some of the rich rorting the system we cannot think that it is not happening at the other end of the spectrum.

    But the arbitrary things that this government is putting into place I think that it will end up with contempt for government by those who already just living from day to day just managing to feed themselves. The rorters are a minority of the majority of welfare recipients whereas you can bet your bottom dollar that it is the majority of the minority that is getting all the benefits.

    What the reductions will do is make genuine welfare participants fall to a level of desperation probably followed by contempt for the society that has put them into this situation. One can not blame them for any reaction to this. I suspect crime rates will rise like in many countries where the poor are subjugated. The smoking politicians will scream we need to crack down on this yet not realizing (or do they) that they were the instigators in the first place.

    How can you blame these people that are going to be subjugated to this.

    You follow the law the politician's will say while they punch them in the face.

    One can understand why revolutions occur. They occur when people say "We have had enough"

    Fortunately many countries have reached a level of fairness through democratic means and a understanding that we are people. It would appear that our current government is trying to destroy this.

    Interestingly while I write this Mr Palmer is on TV saying if pensioners have to wait until their 70 or 55 to be ably to use there super then politicians should have to wait as well.
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    1:43pm
    Look at all the wealthy who organise their finances through their accountants so they can receive a small pension and get the Health Card, they are the ones rorting the system, some are millionaires. You only have to read the advice columns in the Finance section of the papers to see this.
    KSS
    12th May 2014
    1:22pm
    This topic is now so repetitive it has become boring to read/comment.Thank goodness there is only another 24 hours to wait for the actual budget. Then let's give it another 24 hours after that for comment.

    Then can we PLEASE move on from this topic. There are surely other items of news worth debating.
    Wstaton
    12th May 2014
    1:28pm
    Are you one of these "I'm all right Jack" people KSS
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    1:34pm
    Yesssssss HOW TO GET RID OF THIS GOVERNMENT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    1:37pm
    Why bother reading or comment if that is the way you feel?.
    Luchar
    12th May 2014
    10:42pm
    Well said, KSS.
    I am looking forward to reading the comments on this site after the Budget is handed down, so that I can count how many of those who have spent the past weeks condemning the government actually issue an apology when they discover that those genuinely in need have no need to be concerned and that the pensions to which they feel they are entitled are still intact.

    My bet will be that the number of apologies will be "nil" and that the whingers will find something else to complain about.
    Sconny
    12th May 2014
    1:26pm
    Should anyone be surprised? I mean has there ever been a Liberal politician that really cared about ordinary Australians? Cause fear and keep 'em down is their motto. I can give them a tip drop this crazy Paid Parental dream scheme. This bloody mob yes that's what they are, led by the mad Abbott only got into government by default, because of the Voter's mistrust and exasperation at the factional fighting within the ALP. It's in the DNA of liberals to care only for Big business and the top end of town and stuff the rest of us. The only consolation is that their ass will be booted out next time (by which time it could well be too late for many of us)
    Wstaton
    12th May 2014
    1:32pm
    Yes this can certainly be seen by the big end of town not being touched.
    mogo51
    12th May 2014
    2:51pm
    Sconny, I have been working since 15 years of age and a conservative voter all my life. I am most disturbed by LNP and their attack on pensioners which I will soon be. However, like all Labor voters you have a short memory of the appalling fiscal failures of Labor over the years.
    How many times have Libs bailed the country out after years of Labour wastage? This is the worst effort so far and whilst I understand LNP are trying to balance the books, they are attacking the wrong people - they are causing anxiety and confusion amongst those less able to cope with what they are proposing.
    But I can assure you, the answer is not to serve us up another 6 years of Labor stupidity and waste.
    Where is the ever needed middle of the road party this country has needed for so many years?
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    3:59pm
    I hate to say it but I think while people are so fed up with the major parties that Clive Palmer's following is going to increase tenfold. mind all of these measures have to get through the Senate so lets wait until July and see what happens then. Oh and by the way it was Labor that cleaned up the mess left behind when John Howard was treasurer under M Fraser, look it up if you don't believe me and also how come no Liberal Coalition Treasure has ever received a triple AAA Rating?,
    Anonymous
    12th May 2014
    4:46pm
    Let's stop giving public servants on 150 grand a year full pay parental leave plus the minimum wage . Labor waste in action .
    Juris
    12th May 2014
    1:50pm
    I suspect KSS is a very staunch LNP supporter regardless of how the budget may or may not affect him/her.
    KSS
    12th May 2014
    2:37pm
    Does that mean you are "a very staunch ALP supporter regardless of how the budget may or may not affect you"?
    Juris
    13th May 2014
    12:23pm
    now I know the real reason for your disdain for this debate - you are one of those people who MUST have three pens in you top pocket - one red, one black and one blue or green
    Waytoopoortobeme
    12th May 2014
    2:18pm
    Given that a study just released by the World Bank revealing Australia is the world's 4th most expensive economy, all of us need to keep barking on our MP's door for the underdogs
    Rob
    12th May 2014
    3:42pm
    Maybe you need to flip the argument around and ask why is Australia the 4th most expensive economy and what has contributed to that.

    I get a bit tired of a lot of comments people make on here - give me, give me, I'm entitled to etc.what you don't hear is if we want all the extras then what should get the chop. We can't keep on spending like there is no tomorrow.
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    4:06pm
    Well Rob I think the people commenting here are speaking from experience and are worried about what the future has in store, maybe you are in a position where you don't have to worry about this and if so refrain from commenting on other people's comments who are not in that position and whose future living conditions are at risk.
    Waytoopoortobeme
    12th May 2014
    4:42pm
    Rob if U R not worried about the cost of living in Australia for yourself, surely U cannot B so insensitive to suggest that all people on welfare/pensions low incomes etc have a Give me Give me mentality. I was merely stating the obvious that if it isn't Hard enough already, its going to get even tougher for the minority under Abbott
    Anonymous
    12th May 2014
    4:50pm
    Why do you say that , so far Abbott has saved us money by stopping the boats and closing camps refused to bail out companies with tax payers money and suggested the rich pay more tax To pay off labor interest bill of 12 billion ...
    No attack on pensioners anywhere to be seen ....
    Aurora60
    12th May 2014
    6:01pm
    I was told by a Centrelink employee years ago that people are "entitled" to receive these allowances. Yes Rob - entitled. Not my word - his.
    Wstaton
    12th May 2014
    6:42pm
    Pete,

    Have they really saved us money. I read an article about what the "Security Company" is paid to manage (maybe bash) the inmates. They are paid $61m a month. I do not know if this is just for the offshore refugees or all of them. Anyway this is the equivalent of pay the refugees the single rate of pension for 36,000 of them per month. Not sure what the total detained refugee numbers are but I do not think it is that many.

    We also have to add what we are paying the countries for offshore facilities (bet its not cheap) and its a trade secret plus the cost of feeding all these peple , the cost of accommodation plus heaps of other things.

    You say we have stopped subsidizing companies. What rot we have stop subsidizing SOME companies but not their mats with fuel subsidies tax offsets and many other things.
    Luchar
    12th May 2014
    11:00pm
    Wstaton,
    Do I take it, then, that you cannot see that the fact that the Abbott Government is actually closing detention centres because there is no one in them, is actually saving millions of dollars?

    Or perhaps you support the comments of the former Premier of Tasmania who complained bitterly that the Abbott Government was sacking the security guards at the detention centre in Tasmania. She complained that this was adding to unemployment in Tasmania.

    And why were these security guards being sacked?

    Because there were no detainees in the detention centre!

    Until the Premier's protest, I always thought the scripts written for "Yes Minister" were merely the scriptwriters' imagination!
    unicorn
    12th May 2014
    4:32pm
    This must be the silliest thing Joe has ever thought of. So he gets some doctor to say that the person can work & what about where the job is coming from ? I know for sure I could not get a job around here even though I M much more qualified then most Since I turned 50 nobody was going to employ me in any office job. They would much rather employ a young girl with no more brains than a flea, because they did nor have to pay the same wages.
    Nightshade
    12th May 2014
    4:48pm
    I was just told by one of my neighbors that the doctor whom she has been seeing does no longer BULK BILL - it is now $126 per visit.
    With the MASSIVE UNEMPLOYMENT THAT PLAGUES OUR BELOVED NATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME -
    IT BOGGLES THE MIND THAT THERE IS NO SHAME ON THE PART OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION -
    I SUPPOSE PURE GREED KNOWS NO BOUNDS -
    HOW UN - AUSTRALIAN
    IS ALL I CAN SAY
    Anonymous
    12th May 2014
    5:02pm
    Doctors are private businesses and can charge what they like Medicare rebates us 35 dollars so we all have a gap to make up of at least 15 dollars ,.
    Hockey is suggesting that the richer who pay nothing to visit their GP because he bulk bills should pay at Least 6 bucks if you are on a health card. nothing changes ...
    Anonymous
    12th May 2014
    5:04pm
    We do not have massive unemployment in fact is under what Labor budgeted . Thanks to a record number of jobs created this year ...
    Aurora60
    12th May 2014
    6:05pm
    Wasn't it those with a health card have to pay the first 6 visits and then it's capped at that?
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    7:17pm
    Yes Pete and a record number of people will lose their jobs under this government, don't forget half of the debt belongs to the Libs as they raised the DEBT CEILING AND GAVE BILLIONS TO THE RESERVE BANK, don't blame Labor for all the debt it is not correct, go to Fact Checker if you don't believe me.
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    7:47pm
    Pete I don't know of any DRS that charge $50.00 a visit as you are suggesting.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2014
    12:18am
    Misty a lot of the structal imbalance is due to Howard he gave the family tax credits and stopped the rise in duty on petrol . Then Gillard and Rudd added to ..now day of reckoning take off welfare all those who don't need it and give more to those that do ..
    It is daft for Gillard for instance to be giving those already on full parental leave at full pay the minimum wage as well and yet cut the poorly paid to the minimum wage ...
    More and more do tors are not bulk billing but setting there own fees ..,
    You pay the difference ..,
    Millionaires using bulk billing doctors is a rort to say they have to pay 6 bucks is a joke ...
    Those with health cards nothing changes from today ...
    Aurora60
    12th May 2014
    5:45pm
    I'm already living below the poverty line on Newstart allowance. My son provides me with food otherwise I would starve. I would love to live on the pension.
    Aurora60
    12th May 2014
    5:45pm
    I'm already living below the poverty line on Newstart allowance. My son provides me with food otherwise I would starve. I would love to live on the pension.
    Aurora60
    12th May 2014
    6:06pm
    must have been my Parkinsons putting it in twice - sorry
    Wendy HK
    13th May 2014
    8:36am
    I'm looking forward to my 65th birthday so I can live the "good life" - I'm also on Newstart! I don't know how anyone can afford to live in a house on this pittance.
    Pickles
    12th May 2014
    6:25pm
    A short time ago we had so called knowledgeable people telling us about the problems that would be caused by the increasing population of Australia Now the song being sung is about how can the ageing pensioners be supported by the smaller numbers of working people ??? are all the new population of Australia not going to be productive or will they only be people on the dole . sickness benefits . new start , or some other pension ??
    Reeper
    12th May 2014
    6:28pm
    I love all the doom-children commenting. Lots to say, but not a single answer to counter what any government may have to do..if you have better means to stop millions of dollars a day being spent just to cover interest, let's hear it....?
    Wstaton
    12th May 2014
    6:48pm
    Stop fuel subsidies to wealthy comanies, Remove gearing, remove super offsets and I suspect quite a few more.
    Misty
    12th May 2014
    7:21pm
    Yes like allowing the wealthy to hide their finances through clever accountants and rorting Medicare, getting a small pension allows them access to the Health Card, the government could save by stopping this also.
    Luchar
    12th May 2014
    11:18pm
    And as you so rightly say, "Reeper", none of the whingers have a real solution.

    Save a few dollars by getting a handful of wealthier people off the Health Card, but don't touch my benefits or expect me to lose anything. Hit a few wealthy companies by stopping their fuel subsidies, but don't ask me to pay an extra cent a litre to do my bit to help. Save a few more dollars by cutting back on politicians' benefits, but don't touch my entitlements.

    As you obviously realise. "Reeper", all but the most vulnerable are going to be asked to play a part in getting out of the mess Abbott and the Coalition have inherited, yet here we have a majority of the contributors to this site wanting a return to the mob which got us into this mess in the first place.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2014
    12:23am
    It isa peculiarity of the site led by the Publisher.., coalition put in by a landslide to fix up . At every election Labors vote gets smaller .. At the last election theWA senate vote labor got 1 in 5 votes ..,it will soon be as small as union membership .,,
    Misty
    13th May 2014
    10:30am
    Well Luchar everyone may be made to share the burden in this budget but the less well off and most vulnerable are still being asked to share the bigger load. The PM will take a cut of $6500.00, Back Benchers $4000.00 a year, peanuts for them, they probably spend that on dining out a few times a month and then claim it back as part of Parlimentery duties. The less well off are slugged in various ways, sometimes double dipping, the extra cost at the bowser will be passed on by freight companies, supermarkets etc, causing the cost of living to go up.
    Misty
    13th May 2014
    10:31am
    Well Luchar everyone may be made to share the burden in this budget but the less well off and most vulnerable are still being asked to share the bigger load. The PM will take a cut of $6500.00, Back Benchers $4000.00 a year, peanuts for them, they probably spend that on dining out a few times a month and then claim it back as part of Parlimentery duties. The less well off are slugged in various ways, sometimes double dipping, the extra cost at the bowser will be passed on by freight companies, supermarkets etc, causing the cost of living to go up.
    Finni
    12th May 2014
    7:49pm
    Hi team

    I am age 60, have been on a disability pension for 3 years I broke my leg when I was 53. Three weeks earlier I was made unemployed due to the government reducing the taffic on the clothing industry, no sick pay , that was lost when the company first went broke for someone to purchase it, no super and me on crutches for 21 weeks, 2 teenage boys and me on a widower pension I found casual work in the security industry which I was able to do up to the last 3 years
    till the pain in my ankle became to unbearable to stand
    Finni
    12th May 2014
    7:54pm
    On, if this government thinks that people will forget or die in the next 4 years they need to have an other think,
    Mitch
    12th May 2014
    8:04pm
    1. Instillation Investigation, my question is why is the Minister responsible for the lack of experience and training of the installers, shouldn't the owners of the businesses be investigated for not ensuring that their staff were qualified or at least overseen by a qualified staff member. All apprentices should be under the supervision of a qualified staff member at all times. Common Sense
    2. Long term unemployed only continue getting payments if they fulfill a criteria of 40 hours per week, doing set work, partake in an apprenticeship or a job training programme and actively seek work, volunteering at Meal on Wheels, Mowing parks, emptying bins in public areas, I'm sure a lot of work could be found for them if the government was serious.
    3. Stop trying to kid the people with the BS about them taking a pay freeze for 12 months, wow most of us haven't had a pay rise for 5-8 years other than indexation.
    4. Maybe if the government had to pay for their own tickets (airline, functions relating to work etc) they would save a considerable amount. Why did it cost $140,000 to fly to WA today, what a waste of our money, why didn't they fly on a airline flight like the rest of humanity.
    5. Bring back the mining tax, why should overseas investors and Gina Rhinehart rape our country of it's riches and not contribute some of the returns to the benefit of the whole country.
    6. Why hit those less fortunate, who is to determine if a person is medically, psychiatrically, or intellectually in need of DSP, after these people have in many cases spend years going to, quite often many specialists to determine their conditions and continue with follow up treatment and continue taking medications long term, with constant tests etc.
    7. I know that I didn't vote for these clowns but those that did, sure made a mistake, aren't we lucky that they weren't in power when the GFC did hit. Would we have come out so good.
    8. Abbott is hell bend on stopping the handouts, unfortunately with his cuts, there will be more people putting their hands out for assistance than ever before.
    9. When the elderly and the disabled start committing suicide because they cannot afford to eat or look after themselves anymore, will the government then waste more money on a commission to investigate why???????????????????????
    10. I'm over it, come on Australia speak out, why are we taking this.
    survivor
    12th May 2014
    9:37pm
    I am on disability and it looks likeI will not only have to live with pain on a daily basis but will also have to live with shame when I can no longer afford my treatments and medicines
    Nightshade
    13th May 2014
    12:08am
    JOSEPH BENEDICT HOCKEY :-
    said ............................ The End of The Age of Entitlement
    PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT DOES HE MEAN
    PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT AN ENTITLEMENT IS
    # not entitled to have a job
    # not entitled to own a house
    # not entitled to own & drive a car
    # not entitled to health care
    # not entitled to education
    # not entitled to clean water
    WHAT EXACTLY IS JOSEPH BENEDICT HOCKEY TALKING ABOUT & WHO IS HE LOOKING AT WHEN HE SAYS - it is the end of the age of entitlement
    IS HE TALKING ABOUT BEING CIVILIZED AS OPPOSED TO LIVING LIKE FILTHY, IGNORANT, "VICIOUS" BARBARIANS ?
    WHAT EXACTLY IS THIS CLOWN REFERRING TO ?
    BECAUSE I NOW AT THIS MOMENT HAVE NO IDEA
    SO CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE AGE OF ENTITLEMENT WAS/IS & WHO EXACTLY IS & IS NOT ENTITLED ETC . .... please
    Nightshade
    13th May 2014
    12:19am
    I know for sure that Commissioner Andrew Phillip Scipioni is not going to like this one bit.
    He & his people are adamant that N.S.W citizens become civilized, behave in a law abiding manner, drive safely & within the law & do not carry weapons.
    You see Joseph Benedict Hockey may be advocating that we revert to a more barbaric mode of conduct.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2014
    12:27am
    When we have 50 per cent of Australians receiving a benefit from he govt a lot not means tested that is the age of entitlement ., it is a philosophy imported from Europe Aussies used to be proud and stood on their own two feet and gave a mate a hand up ot a hand out.,,
    FEDUP
    13th May 2014
    5:18am
    Can anyone please tell me when the combined parliament voted not to accept their PAY INCREASE?????????
    bookwyrm
    13th May 2014
    5:26am
    The McClure Report, another bought right wing bastard to attack the disabled! Mission Oz in my town won a certain disability contract from the federal government years ago and the manager did not do anything about complaints of bullying and non delivery of service to several clients. Finally, they were moved out but it took a while. Imagine how the disabled will be bullied and harrassed of the dsp by Abbots doctors.
    speakup
    13th May 2014
    5:30am
    Pensions have to be reduced ,if not how will our Politicians be able to maintain their HIGH Standard of living they enjoy (at the expense of all Australians citizens)
    Wendy HK
    13th May 2014
    8:41am
    "we all have to suffer" - Let's start from the top!!! No discrimination - Pollies pensions same as ours!

    13th May 2014
    9:18am
    I'm a pensioner and I'm OK...........
    Misty
    13th May 2014
    10:16am
    If I remember you PIXAPD from comments you made before, aren't you the one who saves $300.00 a fortnight from your pension or have I got the wrong person?.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2014
    12:48pm
    I am he.....
    Misty
    13th May 2014
    3:10pm
    Well PIXAPD YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T OWN A PET, OWN OR DRIVE A CAR, LIVE IN THE COUNTRY IN 1 ROOM WITH NO HEATING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE ANY ONE COULD HAVE A DECENT LIFE ON THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. I hope you are putting your money under the bed too because if you are putting it in the bank and Centrelink sees how much you are saving they may cut your pension back. Sorry about the capitols I wasn't watching the screen.
    Anonymous
    13th May 2014
    4:42pm
    LOL for single.... it's 339,000 before you lose any pension...do you folks even know the various rates ?
    Wstaton
    13th May 2014
    5:29pm
    Well Pixar, does this mean you are single a non home owner wich means you are saving this $300 on the single rate and having to pay rent or do you live in a tent. I think you are tellin a few porkies here.
    Blossom
    13th May 2014
    6:33pm
    Unless it has changed in the last 20 years or so, ex-servicemen who sustained injuries during both World Wars receive Pernsions administered by the Dept. of Veterans Affairs, either Service Pension or TPI Pension. (Totally or Partially Impaired), both which are tax exempt. They get free transport to and from hospital(sometimes by taxi) including country areas. Ambulance transport is free if they have a "gold" pension card. Unless it has been changed Service Pension is almost double Age Pension and TPI is quite a lot higher. I know that for a fact because of what income relatives were getting.
    Not Senile Yet!
    15th May 2014
    3:56am
    Should not vote for either of the big two parties....they have sold your vote to the Party before you even gave to them!!!!!
    The only way to be heard is to wake up and Vote Independants In!!!
    That way the big two have to negotiate to get their policies through Parliament. Negotiate!!!!.....Not Dictate!!!!
    By the Way....easy to pick up on who is young and never been out of work for long in the comments isn't it!!!!
    Bet the never paid board or had to work weekends to get through Uni either.......
    Sometimes you need to understand that limited incomes are not inflation proof. When I was young.....back in the land of dinosaurs....A New Car was Very expensive...about double what they are now. Fuel was the only thing that was Cheap about owning a car then! Now a Block of Land costs more that a house! It used to be about 1/2 the price of a new house.
    And I remember......getting a loan from the Bank........well it was not easy at all..!!!
    Most people had to save a deposit...even for a car loan.
    Sorry Guys.....but anyone on a Gov't Payment are struggling because of inflation of prices.
    This is OZ! Not a state of USA...where they do not give a shit about anyone else. Remember the ANZACS!!!!.....We Aussie stand by the less fortunate and protect them.......We never want to become a society that kicks them when they are down or doing it tough.
    By the Way.... What is the Diff between a Political Party & a Union?
    Nothing except one is a Party...the other a Union.
    Both create a power through ......
    Together we have Power....divided we get trampled and ignored!
    The Liberal Party is a Union of Business People with like minded values with operate as a party.
    It is hypocritical of the Liberals to bash the unions for copying their structure!
    Make ur Vote Count Next Election
    Don't Vote for Donkey ! or 2....Vote for the little Guy!
    Not Senile Yet!
    16th May 2014
    4:12pm
    They should not be attacking anyone on a limited income...government or not!
    The current Govt's lack foresight and sound economic management/business principles!
    If they removed all their harsh and limiting penalties and instead rewarded people who try to earn extra by casual work or by self enterprise.....then they would be expanding our economy not shrinking it by being INCOME POLICE!
    I would rather have a REWARD for effort system than a Penalty System like in America or other Countries!
    We are one the Youngest Countries in the World and we need to stop copying for the sake of it!
    Some of these restrictive policies are direct copies from overseas that have not been tested or have not worked at all!
    We need to create our OWN IDEAS based on what failed overseas...not just copying failed economic policies!
    Labour burns money on ill thought out schemes like the Pink Batts by jumping in and implementing them without thorough research and a Slow and Steady Approach to them.
    The Insulation scheme was a good one! Just badly implemented and badly legislated to protect employees and the public from ROGUE operators trying to make a quick buck!
    The Disability Pension only needs an overhaul and a review!
    They simply need to work out how to pay someone only a Part Disability without penalising them for working part-time if they are unable to work Full-time for Medical Reasons.
    Instead of making it harder for People to Claim disability...they should concentrate on making it harder to Claim Full Disability!
    As to the Age Pension decision......what a Narrow Minded Penalising approach!
    They are actually hurting their own taxable Income by what they are doing here!
    When you shrink people's ability to survive financially and place silly restrictions upon their access to their Super when in hardship...ie unemployed!.... you actual diminish your own TAX base!
    People need to access Super to re-train themselves into a more manageable transition to retirement!
    The govt leaders just don't get it...most want to work...but are unable to access re-training or the money to pay for it.
    No Job = No ability to borrow or get a loan because no income to pay it back and no way of getting a deferral until you get that job, because of the new qualification/education!
    They are too stupid to understand that a guy/girl at 60 need to make some sort of transition to either a less physical job or a job with less hours.
    Even allowing access to Super on a loans basis...ie you have to put it back through the ATO when you do your tax return is better than the current NO ACCESS until you have been unemployed for 6 Months!
    Dam!....after 6 months of knock-back and the dole....you are Bankrupt and Depressed!
    Not a state to be in when you start a course to re-train that you have no money to pay for it or because your bankrupt and therefore not allowed to get finance!
    What a system we have....once ur down....they kick you in the guts not once, but over and over with Penalties to stop you getting back up! Sure Sucks!....but worse still....such a waste!
    Not to mention the shrinking affect it has not just on the Economy as a whole...but also the shrinking affect it has on the Tax income to do anything about it!
    Thought they preached we have to become the SMART COUNTRY!
    Shit how can you with such mind numbing morons making so many stupid restrictive/penalties & policies that are just plain dumb?
    unicorn
    12th Jun 2014
    1:24pm
    I would love to see Joe or Tony have to live like we do for one week, naturally no perks.
    unicorn
    12th Jun 2014
    1:25pm
    I would love to see Joe or Tony have to live like we do for one week, naturally no perks.