Election 2016: Malcolm Turnbull claims election victory

After Bill Shorten admits defeat, the Government has claimed victory.

malcolm turnbull victory

A week later than perhaps the Prime Minister would have liked, the Coalition Government has claimed victory, albeit after Bill Shorten first admitted defeat.

Edging towards a majority with 74 seats currently won and hopeful of winning a further two, Mr Turnbull told the waiting media at a press conference in Sydney yesterday, "This is a great day today.

"We have resolved this election and have done so peacefully. It's something we should celebrate and not take for granted."

Gracious in defeat, Bill Shorten offered to work with the Government to find “common ground” and make parliament work, a gesture that Mr Turnbull welcomed. Promising to work with Labor to ensure essential services are funded, while maintaining a balanced budget, Mr Turnbull said, "It's vital that this parliament works — it is vital that we work together and as far as we can, try to find ways upon which we can all agree.”

Should the Coalition indeed secure the 76 seats needed to form a majority government, the relationships it builds with key crossbenchers, such as Independent Bob Katter, will be vital to ensure that parliament can fully function as it should. The need to select a speaker also places pressure on Government numbers.

This is something of which Mr Turnbull is undoubtedly aware, already promising additional staff and resources to crossbench MPs, just as Labor did following the hung parliament of 2010. However, he played-down the possible impasse that crossbench MPs could cause. "There were eight crossbenchers in the last Senate. What you're saying is that there will be one more. There will always be crossbenchers in the Senate," Mr Turnbull said.

The ministry will have a different look, with several Liberal MPs losing their seats. The Liberal partyroom will meet next week, on 18 July, to allocate portfolios.

Read more at ABC.net.au

Opinion: First thing the PM should do is…

With the country in limbo for the past week, the news that we will have some kind of stability on the political horizon is good, regardless of your party preference.

Mr Turnbull’s first action as re-elected Prime Minister has been to announce that he will involve himself in Victorian state politics and the ongoing dispute between Premier Dan Andrews and the CFA. Speaking to the Herald Sun yesterday, Mr Turnbull said, “It is now up to (Opposition Leader) Bill Shorten to work with the government to prevent this union takeover of the CFA and enshrine the rights of volunteers.”

With the best will in the world Malcolm, you have bigger fish to fry on a national level – leave state politics to the states.

Political divide and disenchantment with what has occurred over at least the last two years has undoubtedly led to the rise of fringe parties, such as Pauline Hanson’s One Nation. We have seen in very recent times the damage that such parties can do in the Senate, blocking every bill and piece of legislation, and placing the country in a political limbo that is neither good for the spirit nor the economy. It is however these very crossbench MPs that will have to keep the Government honest and ensure that some of the stagnant legislation that has been parked, either due to it being difficult to pass or not particularly appealing to a voting public, (remember the plan to raise the Age Pension age to 70?).

Pre-election promises and policies must now be the Government’s focus, as well as those issues, such as a Royal Commission into the banking industry, that have been overlooked or dismissed as not important.

The voting public have made their thoughts very clear – the Government has not been doing a good job and it has one last chance to rectify its failings or it will very soon be at the mercy of every Tom, Dick and Pauline who believes they can take it on.

Noting that his granddaughter was sitting on his knee when he took the long-awaited call from Mr Shorten, the PM said, "That's a moment I'll never forget.

"It was a reminder that we are trustees for future generations. Everything we do is about the future."

Let’s make sure he doesn't forget why he is where he is.

What do you think should be the Government’s first move? Is there an issue that has been put on the back burner in the lead up to the election that now needs to be addressed? 





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    bob
    11th Jul 2016
    10:09am
    Not a good start to a new way of governing Australia if your first priority is to intervene in state politics to union bash.Get your own house in order before crashing someone elses.Antagonism is not the way to start a working relationship with Bill Shorten
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    10:39am
    Perhaps he will bring on the War of Secession if he keeps this one up. He's trying to over-ride a strictly State government move to rationalise a service, by sending in his industrial storm troopers.

    I told you that all politicians are backyard Fascists at heart.... time for the party of The Third Way... we've got three years, so get cracking.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    11:31am
    That was my thought too bob. This is 'business as usual' and it is clear that Turnbull's number one agenda item is to smash the unions and then to control the workforce in a way never before seen by any of us.
    All I can say is voters put the bastards back in after another propaganda campaign. My electorate had the first 4 pages devoted to Liberal Party election advertising and I would not be surprised if much of that was not paid advertising.
    wally
    11th Jul 2016
    10:13am
    Much of what the new government will be able to get through Parliament will depend on the cooperation of the Senate. Whilst we may hope that what we want to see will come to pass, it will still depend on the outcome of the Senate election. I would not be surprised to see some closely contested Senate seats being subjected to recounts of votes, which will delay a final resolution even more. So I would advise against " Counting our chickens before....."
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    11:28am
    I think that the senate is safe wally. Only corruption of the worst kind will see the count reverse....but as I have said for the past 3 years I would not put it past this crew to alter votes if they can get away with it. Such is the psyche of this bad bunch of apples.
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    1:14pm
    Unfortunately, if Bill cooperates with Malcolm, there is a real danger that the two main parties will serve their own interests (as they do for their own Entitlements such as their Perks & Pensions), and stuff everyone else - as they can work together in the Senate as well.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    2:48pm
    George: Turnbull is never going to agree. He will play ball fro a few weeks but when he does not get his anti union legislation through and his tax cuts to the wealthy he will go into another tirade and demonise any MPs who would not support these malicious pieces of legislation. You'll hear the normal accusations of crippling the economy and supporting anarchy. Can't wait.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:33pm
    Mick I think they should give themselves a big pay rise as a start of their co-operative agenda. Wealthy deserve tax cuts as they pay more tax than the rest of the people. Most people don't pay any tax net of the rebates they get back now.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:39pm
    Wealthy pay a pittance AS A PERCENTAGE of what they earn.
    You have the perverted idea Geezer that the wealth of a nation belongs to the rich, that average citizens should provides all infrastructure for the rich to use as their right and that only the poor should pay tax.
    This is the spew one often has to read as 'fact'. It explains why the nation is in such a pickle and people with this sort of sick mindset are running the country. What hope have we got.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    5:03pm
    Mick anyone earning under about $60,000 with a family pay nil tax after all their allowances. So the poor do not pay tax they get welfare instead. Most wealthy people I know actually pay tax. I even pay tax myself.

    The nation is in such a pickle because their are too many people on welfare and not enough people prepared to do what it takes to actually make money and not just get it handed to them.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    5:15pm
    Not sure how you come to the conclusion that people on $60,000 pa pay no tax? Tax with no deductions is about $11,000. The few deductions these wage earners get would not dramatically change that. And then they GST on almost everything else they spend money on..
    You look like you are in fairyland again Geezer.
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    6:34pm
    Old Geezer .... again with sweeping statements he is happy now
    Do not worry MICK he is a rich person and very happy now because
    the Rich like him will get a tax cut and happy happy.

    As I say before OG do not live in Australia he and his/her other 2 amigos are somewhere else in Mars or Jupiter totally out of reality so I will keep hammering is fun so MICK keep going all fun and be careful he/she will be join by the other 2 amigos soon and continue with sweeping statements and ignorant comments racist and totally out of today's world reality.

    $60K no tax Well have a look here .... TAX TABLES
    https://www.ato.gov.au/uploadedFiles/Content/MEI/downloads/Monthly-tax-table-2015-16.pdf

    For $60K assuming a gross of $5,000 x month will pay as follows:

    With tax?free threshold = $1,023.00
    No tax?free threshold = $1551.00

    As I say before many many times EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT so here are the current tax tables so assuming there are no other personal legal and accepted deductions this is the amount to pay on $60K.

    Sorry OG again you are wrong maybe you are thinking $18,000 x year ???? = No tax on the free threshold

    You can download this free excel calculator here so your tax can be calculated correctly

    https://www.ato.gov.au/Rates/Monthly-tax-table/
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    8:04pm
    What about the welfare payments for a couple of kids? That extra $1300 plus per month wipes out more than that $1023 per month tax paid.

    It has been estimated that a family with a couple of kids has to earn more than $60,000 per year before they pay any tax net of any benefits they receive.

    I agree education is important so you need to learn that tax paid is only half the story where families are concerned.
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    8:21pm
    Nope you must declare that as income same as we all do every year when we get the pension but we get a senious deduction and other bits so will be 60K x year + 15,600K taxable total of 75,600 x year then calculate the deductions...schools uniforms etc
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    8:40pm
    Blood Hell We went to school with Ar*e out of our pants and Bare feet !! And Mum had to pay a Shilling each for Text Books !! But we got a Good Education from Quality Teachers !! :-) :-)
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    9:28pm
    Family payments are not required to be declared as income as they are calculated and balanced after you do your tax return every year. That's why they hold back a certain amount and only pay it after everything has been balanced.

    Nothing wrong with my education other than I probably did way too much of it that I never really used.
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    10:52pm
    My son-in-law earns $60,000 a year, Old Geezer, has a dependant wife caring full time for a disabled baby, and PAYS A SHIT-LOAD OF TAX and gets virtually NOTHING by way of rebates or handouts. Centrelink tells him he earns too much to qualify. You are full of it.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    11:21pm
    Good to see that they are not putting their hand out for welfare then.
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    8:08am
    Good to se all the Frank loonies back at work.
    LiveItUp
    12th Jul 2016
    8:20am
    Rainey I think your son in law is not tellling you the whole story. If a child is disabled you get an allowance that is not assessed on income or assets for a start. His family is also entitled to family allowance payments that woulld go close to or negate any taxes he pays. So maybe OG is right. Families earning $60,000 or less get a net government benefit and don't want actually pay any tax.

    You need to check your facts on this one.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    2:12pm
    I have checked, Bonny. This is the problem. LNP supporters dream up these wild claims about handouts, but they haven't been in the situation and found out the real truth of the matter. Yes, they get an allowance that isn't means tested - $123 a FORTNIGHT. Mum can't go to work so is losing over $70,000 a year in income, and bub's special needs amount to over $20,000 a year.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    2:24pm
    Yes, Old Geezer, isn't it good that BRONWYN BISHOP puts her greasy hand out for $250,000 a year WELFARE, while my daughter struggles to give her son the medical care he desperately needs to have any kind of chance in life, and goes without ESSENTIALS to pay medical bills.

    That's the world greedy, self-serving mongrels endorse and approve. Shows just what kind of person you are when you make such callous remarks.
    Old Geezer
    13th Jul 2016
    9:36pm
    Been there myself Rainey as I too have a disabled son but that didn't stop me being a self funded retiree. I have never had excuses for why I can't do something I have always found a way to achieve my goals. It is not that difficult to do.
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2016
    4:47pm
    There he is again - that ''holier than though'' egomaniac who thinks just because he had some good fortune in life he can judge everyone else, without having the smallest inkling what challenges they face. So you've found a way to achieve YOUR goals. Bully for you. Probably by being a nasty, selfish greedy bully - as you present yourself here. I've always found selfish, greedy, egomaniacal bullies get what they want in life, by walking all over others and abusing other people's rights. It's NOT difficult if you are that sort of person and have on compassion or decency.
    Aussie
    14th Jul 2016
    4:52pm
    Hey hey the AMIGOS on the move watch out you may get hit he he he he
    I love the 4 Amigos......... Do not disagree with them he he he

    Today is Thursday so have a happy Thursday
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2016
    9:07pm
    Actually, Old Geezer is right. It isn't that difficult. A friend who has a disabled child did as he did. She's affluent now, thanks to pursuing her lawyering career - after she put her disabled child into an institution to be cared for by people who don't give a hoot about him, but simply make sure he's fed and washed because that's what they are paid to do. He hasn't developed at all. He is a vegetable, and he'll stay that way.

    I can't imagine Old Geezer would do as my daughter is doing and give up a professional career to care for a special child full time - much less spend the equivalent of FOUR houses to buy him every special treatment, therapy and educational aid available.

    She might well end up on a pension after borrowing heavily and sacrificing her future to give her child a chance to live in a normal world and be a productive, happy, loved individual. And then the likes of Old Geezer and Bonny will heap scorn on her and say she is on ''welfare'' and treat her with contempt.

    Well, I'll pay taxes every day of the week to fund pensions for people like her. But then, I have respect and empathy for people who are doing it tough. I've been there.

    Unlike Old Geezer, I acknowledge that I was fortunate to be able to rise above my struggles, but not everyone can. Some are more fortunate than others. Some are born stronger or more resilient or more capable than others. Nobody knows what pains another person suffers, and NOBODY should be so presumptuous as to judge another.

    Old Geezer, you don't know who made it possible for you to enjoy the opportunities you've had. You don't know whose father died in battle and left them orphaned. You don't know who suffered electric shocks while building power lines and was crippled for life. You don't know who put their job on the line and sacrificed promotion to fight for justice when a wrongdoing by a bureaucrat threatened your future.

    But what I know is that only VILE SCUM put others down and pretend superiority, demonstrating total incapacity to appreciate that men fought and died and children grew up unloved and poor and deprived so that YOU and the likes of YOU could prosper in a free nation. And the people you look down on - they may well be the children of men who gave their lives for your prosperity.

    SHAME ON YOU FOR YOUR ARROGANCE AND INGRATITUDE and for the contempt you show for others.
    Aussie
    15th Jul 2016
    12:14am
    Rainey ..Mate this people are unbelievable they are not Australians I will bet that they come from somewhere else in the world or their parents are and they educated them like this …..Unbelievable people ….. They are a bunch of ignorant racist and 200% arrogant that is why I call them the 3 Amigos that now are 4 people with very poor intellectual capacity to be able to reach my foot.

    Rainey we are much better than this ignorant people that do not concern for anybody only themselves of course they have all the arguments in the world to demonstrate how ignorant racist and self indulgent they are.

    We know who we are and we know our place and they are far too low from our foot to take any notice of what they are saying.

    They insult you and others just to satisfy themselves and feed their arrorancy they are thirsty people they need to feed their arrogance like a Vampires....they need blood.
    Hawkeye
    11th Jul 2016
    10:30am
    He needs to start reversing everything that Abbott did. That's why he got the PM job in the first place isn't it.
    And get the proper NBN FTTP roll-out happening before they connect the Abbottised version to my place. Hurry up because they're down the road now getting ready with bloody FTTN.
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    11:13am
    Agree on the NBN - not here yet,and I've got ADSL which is fine, but does drop out occasionally.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    11:33am
    OCCASIONALLY ??? Your in a GOOD LOCATION !! :-)
    Theo1943
    11th Jul 2016
    11:52am
    Hawkeye, you're lucky to be getting FTTN. We will be getting wireless NBN, surely that's a joke. We're 50kms from the Perth CBD. I had to pay $900 for a Mobile Smart Antenna with a yagi antenna on the roof to get my mobile to work without having to stand in the middle of the lawn waving the phone over my head. Wireless NBN, that's a laugh.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    3:34pm
    My wireless NBN is great and so much better than my old ADSL. We have no problems running multiple devices, streaming movies etc. No more buffeting like the old ADSL did. It's great be able to have the internet working everywhere in the house without cables running everywhere. With wireless NBN this good then I can't see why anyone would want anything any better. Most people will sign up to 10mbps plans (cheapest offering) so with my wireless NBN running at least double that speed I think people would be happy with NBN wireless.

    It is not the same wireless technology that runs mobile phones so it can't be compared to mobile phones.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:09pm
    Provide more details. I suspect this is BS but will give you the benefit of the doubt.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:12pm
    Other than say I have a NBN box on my wall and an NBN antenna that looks like a square box placed diagonally on a bar on my roof what other details do you want?
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:39pm
    Provider and plan might be a starter.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:53pm
    My internet connection is called

    Fast - NBN Fixed Wireless Technology Type.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    5:10pm
    Ok, who's the ISP as that brought up nothing.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    5:57pm
    There is only one ISP Mick Telstra.
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    6:51pm
    OG there are many NBN suppliers cheaper than Telstra.
    By the way NBN does not belong to Telstra ....

    nbn (the company) was established on 9 April, 2009 to design, build and operate Australia's new broadband network. nbn is a wholly-owned ...
    http://www.nbnco.com.au/corporate-information/about-nbn-co.html

    or here

    http://www.nbnco.com.au/

    Telstra is just another ISP provider and are many wholesalers providers

    http://www.nbnco.com.au/sell-nbn-services/wholesale-providers.html

    For example TPG is one of the more consistent and reliable ISP for NBN have a look

    https://www.tpg.com.au/nbn

    Any way OG a bit of research always pay off at the end
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    7:47pm
    Telstra's deal was way cheaper than any of it's rivals for me. All the others would only give me 10mbps at the time while Telstra gives me up to 50mbps. I also get all my calls free and access to Telstra Air when I go to town. So I can have the data turned off my phone and get free internet whilst I'm in town. I also get lots of free movies. All for less than it would cost me to have the cheapest NBN plan with any of the other ISPs.

    I aslo got all my equipment free from Telstra with no set up fees including a personal TV recorder.

    Those TPG NBN plans are expensive compared to what Telstra charges me.
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    8:02pm
    OK OG if UR happy that is what counts no matter what.

    I am Overseas and get over 100 channels free all the house owner have to pay is for the box and the small dish that is it.
    No monthly charges.

    Is great here where I am at the moment ... no for long back home very soon ...he he he to say hello to dear Malcolm
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    8:12pm
    One can get 100s of free channels via the internet even here in Australia.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    8:25pm
    Yes !! :-) :-) And its the only way to get an Education on World events and Current Affairs without Bias !! Not like the Bobbly Gook and Tripe on the Home Censored Media !! :-( :-(
    LiveItUp
    12th Jul 2016
    7:30am
    It would surprise you how sensored our internett really is here in Aussieland.
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    8:16am
    Wrong again OG the 100 channels are not on the internet they are over the air using small dish on the roof nothing to do with the internet.

    Over the internet you can get more than 100 and all over the world

    and for dear Bonny Aussieland internet and TV is a total ripoff so expensive and total rubbish. ... How many air free channels we have ???? 4 6 now with Digital maybe about 6 or 7 ... is a joke

    Look what the world is using maybe dear Bonny you never been Overseas or never look what is available in O/S
    LiveItUp
    12th Jul 2016
    8:24am
    I hardly watch TV but I have 30 or 40 channels on my TV most of which is rubbush.
    Hawkeye
    12th Jul 2016
    2:00pm
    Theo1943 - Wireless is what NBN Co were telling me I was getting, up until 2 weeks ago, when I was informed that my small country town (Balaklava, about 100km north of Adelaide) would now be wired up for FTTN instead, and work was about to start.
    Meanwhile, all around us they are getting Wireless NBN, which is much better than FTTN.

    But better still would be FTTP, and it is only for political reasons that they are putting the Liberal's FTTN rather than the ALP's FTTP.

    Even Malcolm Turnbull, when he was Abbott's minister responsible for the NBN, conceded that FTTP was better and cheaper in the long run than FTTN, but he was very quickly gagged. And he still has not got the balls to change it because it is the ALP's system.
    particolor
    14th Jul 2016
    5:27pm
    What a coincidence !! I Shoveled Coal into Hungry Steam Engines in Terowie 50 Years Ago !! Just up the road from you there :-) :-)

    11th Jul 2016
    10:37am
    The list is so long........ first one you say.....

    1. Tell the media to stop crowing about an LNP victory, and humbly say to the Australian People that from now on government will put them first...... and will listen to them.

    2. Get up and refute the absurd idea that there is some 'mandate' derived from cobbling together a government of Independents in an election his party did not win.

    3. Knock the idea of company tax cuts on the head. Everyone, every separate legal entity, has an obligation to pay their taxes - 30% on a few mill is not a bad deal, and perhaps needs to be increased.

    4. Curb Morrison's tongue on 'welfare REFORM' - note that big word there - this twerp is not discussing cracking down on genuine rorters - he is discussing moving the goal posts so as to CREATE 'rorters', and if Wilkie (etc) allows that, he is a lost cause and should go, and who will put a bullet in the heads of future Independents.

    5. Seriously rein in politician's pay packages so as to reflect reality. No more free holidays with some flimsy excuse, no more freebies for nothing, no more 'study tours' of the finest countries.

    Over to you lot...
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    11:26am
    Maybe tell the media, or rather legislate, to prevent it from being a propaganda tool for the top end of town and its government.
    I am hopeful of in time getting PROPAGANDA legislation put before the parliament to make elections fairer than the one sided affairs they currently are.
    Be happy that the senate is not the rubber stamp Turnbull demanded. He can get whatever legislation he wishes through the House of Reps but if he does not have control of the senate then we are safe......for the time being anyway.
    mogo51
    11th Jul 2016
    2:51pm
    Well said Trebor, exactly as I would have suggested. The idea that they have a 'mandate' is ludicrous. They scraped in with a savage loss of their seat numbers.

    The Senate is in the hands of the Independents again, with a rise in votes to some 25% - does that not tell them that their attitude and policies suck!

    Stop pensioner bashing, start to get manufacturing and Australian small/medium business expanding again. No support for tax rorting multi nationals and a much stronger control of the types of immigrants coming here.

    Get the country back to its previous strong position - globalisation, like all the other 'isations' that have come and gone, is not working.
    LiveItUp
    12th Jul 2016
    7:41am
    Well they did win and now have a majority so they do have a mandate to run the country. The senate should just pull their head in and be a house of review not the government making kegislation as they have been doing wrong lt for many years now. Media has a right to crow about it as it's news.

    Company tax cuts are a good idea and will help get the country moving again economically with more jobs and more money available to invest in businesses.

    Morrison is right in calling a spade a spade. Welfare is welfare wiether it is the age pension, unemplyment benefits, family oayments etc. Any payment given by the givernment to an individual is welfare including payments to industries etc. So get used to it you are on welfare so just say it how it is. That is reality not pensioner bashing.

    Pollies pay are too low to attract the best people to run the country. Why have a job that oays a couple of hundred thousand when you can make millions a year? They deserve every penny they get. No way I'd be a pollie for what they get.
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    8:12am
    Back again Bronny? Your crowing must be on the other side of your face now. Your man is not going to last very long and I already hear your colleague Julie Bishop saying that your Party is going to stick to its pre election budget. That'll be an interesting way to start.
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    8:18am
    yes MICK she is back now the 3 amigos are together again OG, KSS and Bonny and she is kicking hard
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    11:54am
    There is no mandate if the people reject your policy.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    11:55am
    Social Security is not welfare, and you've been told a thousand times the pension is a bought and paid for Right.
    Old Geezer
    12th Jul 2016
    4:17pm
    I agree with Bonny and Morrison the pension is welfare. No one has bought or paid anything for it as it comes out of general revenue that it is collected each year from the very charitable people called tax payers.

    No wonder we are in such a pickle when people don't believe the pension is welfare. Good thing it is too as then the government is in it's right to reign it in an only give it to those who need it. Not to those millionaire couples living in multimillion dollar mansions.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    4:19pm
    Strewth I'm glad I just managed to crawl over the line to Wear the Crown !! :-) :-)
    Malcon ....
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:18pm
    As usual - some of you need to be spoon fed....

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/94713ad445ff1425ca25682000192af2/8e72c4526a94aaedca2569de00296978!OpenDocument

    The levy from income tax was never removed, and the folding of that funding into consolidated revenue in no way caused it to vanish overnight.

    Pension and Social Security are a bought and paid for Right and are already funded out of a lifetime of contribution by all taxpayers.

    Stop deliberately confusing 'tax' with income tax alone - everybody, all the way to the oldest pensioner in the land, pays tax daily in many ways, so get over it.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    2:17pm
    Company tax cuts are BS. They won't drive growth because any company accountant who isn't already cheating to pay nothing will simply give directors a pay rise. DEMAND drives growth. Nothing else. No company is going to produce what it can't sell. And DEMAND is falling due to the slashing of workers' and pensioners' incomes. We will slide further toward recession and the national debt will continue to climb, while fat-cat politicians milk the public purse and the people who keep this country running continue to suffer.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    3:10pm
    The hypocrisy of the LNP and their supporters really is mind-boggling! On the one hand, Liberal-supporting-morons justify MPs taking MASSIVE welfare handouts - YES, IT'S WELFARE: GIVEN FOR DOING NOTHING! They say because it was legislated, it's okay. Because they worked and paid into a scheme it's okay. On and on the BS arguments go trying to condone the inexcusable.

    Yet on the OTHER hand, these HYPOCRITS look at people who were exploited and abused for decades, paid significant tax - INCLUDING A CONTRIBUTION TO A RETIREMENT PENSION FUND RUN BY THE ATO - and INSULT them, saying ''oh, they are on WELFARE'' and it should be cut because they should have saved more. How could they possibly be expected to save more when they were being exploited and abused by the very same greedy arseholes who put out their hand for OBSCENE WELFARE payments after sitting on their lazy fat bums making STUPID decisions that plunged the nation into a hideous mess? Or being exploited and abused by the stinking privileged greedy fat-cats who use labour at half what it's worth, demand massive tax concessions for hoarding wealth they didn't earn honestly, and then scream that others who SAVED for retirement and didn't have any privileged should be stripped of their savings and ground into poverty.

    Now, WHO precisely is responsible for the mess we are in? The toilet cleaners and labourers and nurses aides who worked their guts out for 5 decades? The road workers or electrical linesmen who slaved for low pay to build infrastructure the nation needs - often putting their lives on the line in dangerous situations? Or maybe the DEAD-SHIT USELESS POLITICIANS who made WRONG decisions and are now lining their pockets with WELFARE cash that SHOULD be paid to the workers who EARNED it and who PAID for their retirement by CONTRIBUTING to a fund that was earmarked for that purpose, but was STOLEN by the greedy WELFARE BLUDGING POLLIES - the very same ones who are screaming that ''welfare'' should be cut!

    Oh, and lets not forget the ''legislated'' bit. We can ''unlegislate'' pensions for people who earned them and paid for them and need them. We can't ''unlegislate'' them for stinking lying bludging fraudsters who buggered the nation with their stupidity and greed.

    Only the lowest, greediest, most hypocritical SCUM brands the aged pension for people who had no superannuation - but paid into an ATO-managed retirement scheme - ''welfare''. It's dishonest in the extreme. It's vile, offensive, un-Australian, indecent, and basically thoroughly inhuman. People who make these assertions should be stripped of everything they own and made to parade in the streets as the rich in China were when Communism took over - no, not for being well off. More power to the handful of DECENT well-to-do. But for being dishonest, abusive, hypocritical SCUM who lack even an ounce of respect for the people whose hard work made this nation what it is today, and who, thanks to greed and corruption, have NEVER enjoyed a tiny fraction of their EARNED reward.

    btw. I am NOT a pensioner, but I paid for the pension I am now cheated of, just like millions of others who, having no superannuation, paid into the ATO-run scheme. We are all being ROBBED. But my concern is for those who are being robbed of money they GENUINELY NEED, and then bombarded with vile abuse from greedy, selfish, self-serving hypocrits.
    Aussie
    13th Jul 2016
    4:35pm
    Rainey ... yes yes very well said ... I will like to explain like you but I have been told by this greedy, selfish ...etc hypocrites that I should learn English .... so I follow your comments and endorse them for sure because as they told me my English is no good.
    But I do not care I am happy with me reduce pension opppps Welfare he he he he
    Old Geezer
    13th Jul 2016
    9:15pm
    Good we are in agreement the old age pension is welfare.

    Age pensions are paid out of government revenue as there is no pot of money put aside for them. Never was and never will be. It's just wishful thinking by those who think they deserve it.
    particolor
    13th Jul 2016
    9:27pm
    What are You ?? A BIG Pot of money was only put away for Polly's and Cronies :-)
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    11:07pm
    Old Geezer never learns even when you offer him/her links to historical and factual data...

    Pensions and Unemployment Benefits are not welfare..... they are a Right bought and paid for. Argue all you want over other social security provisions... but those are beyond question.

    If the social security network, bought and paid for by decades of tax payments, had not been extended to silly things such as childcare subsidies for the well-off etc... the current economy would not be in the dire straits it is.

    You will note that I do not use the term 'Budget' - I can budget for $20 fuel costs this week.... but with a trip to Queensland to visit the grand-kids and multiple trips to doctors and other specialists for my ex (for whom I am carer) - that 'budget' will NEVER HAPPEN!

    Many here need to stop confusing a forward estimate, which historically becomes a farce at the national, state and local government level - with HARD DOLLAR FIGURES!

    "Budgets' are NO SUCH THING!
    Troubadour
    11th Jul 2016
    10:39am
    Bill Shorten remarked that he wanted to work amicably with the new government
    and pull together for the good of the Country. Let's hope he can do that.
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    10:41am
    The kicker there is 'for the good of the country'.... and that is a subjective issue... what Mal says is good for the country is not necessarily what Bill says is good for the country....

    It seems to me Labor is playing it softly-softly, and allowing the Malcontents to stuff up without their help, then they'll strike.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    11:23am
    Yes Trebor. This government cares little about the good of the country. It has been and will continue to be all about the destruction of anything and everything Labor and the class warfare started under Abbott and continued with Turnbull. None of us should be so naive as to think that anything has changed.
    DC
    11th Jul 2016
    1:05pm
    Hey Mick, I thought that by now you would have at the very least realised that all your call's for independents have not really worked. Your apparent stance for democracy, which you hold in high esteem according to your own words, surely should allow you to accept that the People have voted the "bastards" in again. Suck it up, mate and do kindly creep back under the rock you crawled out of under. Enough is enough.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    2:46pm
    Spoken like a true troll!
    Clearly you never learnt to count at school. The last time I saw Labor led on the actual number of votes it received, there are a heap of Independents in the parliament and Turnbull is only in by the skin of his teeth.
    You can always trust a troll to ignore the facts and make outlandish statements....better known as BS.
    HarrysOpinion
    11th Jul 2016
    3:00pm
    Without the Coalition partnership the Liberals are a minority party with 45 seats. Labor 69 seats, DC. LNP coalition just scraped in on this occasion but LOST 14 seats. The Senate will be Malcolm's battleground as well as his ultra-right wing coercers. Bill Shorten might be correct in suggesting another election within next 12 months.The votes for independents as well as the votes for the array of minor parties was the wrong pre-election hype. Perhaps if Labor focused more on the Nationals constituents in QLD the outcome might have been different. As for Mick he is a consistent contributor of his opinions and means well. However, it will probably take another 15 years before we see a minor party gain a major foothold in federal politics and I don't mean The Greens.
    DC
    11th Jul 2016
    4:01pm
    Yes Mick, spoken like a true believer! You are beyond being intelligence challenged but are actually brain dead or brain washed.
    You are the one who cannot count - Labour had the lowest number of primary votes this time - so go figure. If it were not for that idiotic preferential voting system it would be even worse. Facts? You would not see facts if they were biting you on the proverbial. You are quick to dish your vile rubbish out but just cannot take it in return - Mr glass jaw!!! Typical of your type!
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:11pm
    Actually last time I looked Labor was ahead with the TOTAL vote count. The Liberal Party only hold a fraction of the seats but this is the lie you perpetuate Frank. New name? Why not.
    Stick to the facts rather than the coalition spew we all are forced to endure in the name of 'politics'.
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    7:52pm
    As I say many many days ago the Liberal party is absolutely nothing without the support of others
    If the National party walks away they will be in big big trouble

    Latest count...

    Liberal = 45 ....? Only 45 seats
    Liberal National Party = 21
    The Nationals = 10
    Country Liberals (NT) = 0

    Coalition Total 76
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    4:47pm
    Had a Bloke talking to me last night and I said to him " Your Mate Malcolm Crawled over the line I see!" He said "I didn't vote for Him !!! I voted Nationals !"
    Me...":-) :-) :-) :-) "
    How many I Wonder ?? :-) :-) :-)
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    6:55pm
    particolor ... that is funny and many many people think the same he he he he he he
    MD
    11th Jul 2016
    10:56am
    I'd like to think that the elected collective try a little of the following; compassion - for the less fortunate, cohesion - both within their respective party and with opposition members, compromise - as regards determination of policy and consideration for the future of this wonderful country of OZ.
    That aside, then as long as they actually DO something - anything, regardless of whether right by some & wrong by the remainder. Action speaks louder than (any amount of mealy mouthed) - words.
    Hasbeen
    11th Jul 2016
    11:02am
    His resignation would be the best we could get.
    Happy cyclist
    11th Jul 2016
    11:14am
    I would like the very first action to be to cancel this ridiculous plebisite and work with Labor, as indicated is possible, to put through legislation enabling ALL Australians have equal rights to marry the person of their choice. The sooner this is done the sooner we can all move on to other important legislation.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    11:20am
    Ditto....but then wasting public money is not very high up on the scale with this crew.
    KSS
    11th Jul 2016
    12:39pm
    Nor with Labor Mick, with Mr Shorten's victory lap of Australia for losing the election paid for by the tax payer. At least it was only union member fees that paid for babysitters for his kids and his wife's wardrobe during the election campaign.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    1:07pm
    Come on. Seriously. Turnbull was off yesterday to thank voters. Same deal. It's a part of politics you are fully aware of.
    The last part of your post is the sort of sick comment which readers routinely have to read from rusted on Liberals pushing the devil at every post. Sad.
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    7:45pm
    Actually the Unions have other sources of income, they deal shares and they own and rent out property etc in order to earn a profit with which to promote their ideals. It's not just member's dues that pay for everything, and my personal observation, as a past Union delegate, is that the outgoings and representation on behalf of ALL workers as well as Union members is annually about the cost of the annual dues.

    I would like you to note that the policy of Unionism is to support all workers, member or not, in any dispute or negotiation.

    All this harping over Union dues is rubbish, and it could more fairly be said that the dues paid by Members pays for those who aren't members in negotiating individual contracts and in developing national wage case claims etc, and also in the protection of worker's rights.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    9:44pm
    I have never heard of anything so ridiculous as gay marriage. Next thing people will want to marry their pets and all sorts of things.
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    1:20am
    Well OG USA people leave their money to their pets and all their possessions so I am not surprised if they will also married them .

    Nothing surprise me any more
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    8:18am
    TREBOR: union funding of the election for Labor which is routinely used as the chestnut it is is a minor issue.
    The real issue is coalition funding. Whilst Turnbull and his trolls claimed that Labor had a much bigger war chest it was the coalition who spent like a drunk with an unlimited supply of funds from its big business owners. In my electorate alone the local Murdoch rag ran the first 4 pages of unadulterated Liberal Party advertising and spew...and then there were the non stop TV advertising.
    And you wonder why the coalition fell across the line.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    11:18am
    So you believe that Turnbull will now listen to the electorate Debbie? If his first port of call is a state government jurisdiction union dispute then his agenda to destroy unions is still the number one agenda item. Given that we will be at another election within 12 months. Many people already recognise this.
    Labor has cooperated with the government during the past 3 years where possible and it comes as no surprise that Shorten will not behave like wrecking ball Abbott did. But then Labor has never behaved contrary to the needs of the country and this should not come as any surprise.
    If you think that this will be one big happy family I suggest that we all wait and see. I suggest that Turnbull will do his best to either bribe or bully elected members to do what he says and that in the end this government will fail because Turnbull wants a dictatorship, not a government.
    Tombo
    11th Jul 2016
    12:04pm
    "Labor has cooperated with the government during the past three years"!! Mick you're deluded. Their 'cooperation' consisted of adopting in their election manifesto several coalition spending and saving proposals they had been opposing for three years!
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    12:18pm
    Rubbish. Labor provided bipartisan support on some Bills, something Abbott never did. For Abbott it was NO to all Bills other than pay increases for MPs. He supported that one.

    11th Jul 2016
    11:19am
    If Talkbull doesn't see the election results as a sign of dissatisfaction with the government he is dumber than he acts.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    11:42am
    My favourite was Pynenut Drooling down his lapels and Cackling prematurely before the final results about how popular they were and Born to Rule !! What a Dork !! :-) :-)
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    11:55am
    Yeah. "Election winning machine". After another propaganda campaign to gain votes from the intellectually challenged.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    12:38pm
    I saw a Rusty Old Chaff Cutter in a paddock the other day in better condition than them !! :-) :-)
    HarrysOpinion
    11th Jul 2016
    3:13pm
    Strange! When I watched Pynenut make his "Election winning machine" declaration I imagined a person wearing a black SS uniform that made me shudder.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:15pm
    But he was smiling HS. Pretty obvious he was putting in the boot. After running another outrageous propaganda campaign with vile hate talks from the leader and other cronies the coalition got across the line, just. No wonder Pyne had a smile. Pretty obvious what he thought about the lemmings who put him back. Oh yes...he handed out some bags and used the "jobs and growth" slogan. That worked on the intellectually disadvantaged.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    4:22pm
    Mick they thought they would grow an Inch or two and be handed a job If they voted for him !! :-) :-) ER ! DUH !! :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    12:04pm
    I'll say it again - one more 'victory' like that and there'll be no LNP to argue in Parliament.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    8:42pm
    TREBOR.. We are under Attack ! I've put Dads WWII Helmet on ! :-)
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    11:15pm
    I've got a camo suit and a few odd coloured berets in storage.... sand, light blue, dark blue, and green .... lemme see now...

    My dad was a WWII Infantry and Aerial resupply veteran, and acted as a jump master for the US 187th Airborne Brigade at Nadzab... he was innumerate due to poor schooling.... but that mattered not then...

    His brother was a police officer for nigh on fifty years, and his oldest brother went down on 11/09/1940 in the Battle of Britain...

    I think we can assume the mantle of our forebears.... and make something of value out of all this current rubbish....
    BJ
    11th Jul 2016
    11:35am
    First thing the PM should do is to start listening to the people
    Second thing he should do is get rid of the treasurer or teach him some respect and not to be so cocky
    Third thing pay all politicians the average weekly wage
    Forth thing have the same superannuation rules for everybody
    Fifth thing pay everybody the pension when they reach there retirement age no matter what assets they have they earn't what they have and have paid taxes on there money
    Sixth thing get rid of his new company tax policy
    seventh thing increase normal tax
    Eighth thing look after the elderly
    Ninth thing try living like the average Australian has to then make changes to suit
    tenth thing be honest
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    1:05pm
    Good list, BJ - cannot disagree. Will YLC posts be heard by anyone? Not sure. I heard 300-400,000 part-pensioners will lose their pensions / suffer severe cut-backs from Jan 2017, yet I noticed on AEC website for Senate election results that only around 29,000 voted for either Mature Australia or Seniors United parties, i.e. the 2 parties having Pensions as an issue in their policies. Who did the rest of the morons who are going to have their pensions reduced vote for?
    While you have listed 10 good points, here is the most basic 3 I would like them to start with:
    1. Revert Age Pension assets tests proposed from 1st Jan 2017 to the current rules. (The new Assets taper rate from Jan’ 17 will cause a 7.8% reduction in Pensions for assets above the Asset limits for full pension). Alternatively, go for the full Pension for all approach, and tax all real income, i.e. also get rid of Centrelink involvement.
    2. All Members of Parliament (current, past and future) to have all special Pension entitlements scrapped, and replaced with the same Income and Assets tests as for everyone else.
    3. Impose a minimum 15% Company Tax on Gross Revenue on all companies, i.e. pay maximum of this or whatever they pay as per current rules. No company should pay less than this.
    Paddles
    11th Jul 2016
    1:46pm
    BJ

    All I can say is "Thank Christ you are not in charge of our national treasury!!!!!!!!!!!
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    2:43pm
    Paddles: you silvertail! Why does your response not surprise me? BJ's list has quite a lot of merit although paying MPs the average wage would never work given the pressure put on MPs by the media.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:46pm
    15% on gross revenue of companies. Me thinks only Apple and Google will survive but then again who can then afford to pay their prices?
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    10:44pm
    Not sure I can agree with the 15% on Gross Revenue on all companies, but I certainly don't agree that only Apple and Google would survive. I think for a vast number of companies, 15% on gross revenue would be perfectly reasonable - even modest tax. Sadly, very few recognize an obligation to pay their way in today's world. Like those who have access to tax avoidance mechanisms - like negative gearing and capital gains tax discounts - company directors see finding ways to reduce their tax payments as laudable. Even Turnbull says it's the right thing to do to avoid tax by legal means. It ISN'T. It's selfish, dishonest and destructive. And it's sickening that the same people who whine about the cost of welfare for the disadvantaged approve of tax avoidance by the privileged.

    The pension assets test change was a stupid and destructive act of fraud and it should be reversed, but there should be a sensible review of the entire pension system, which is seriously flawed. More importantly, the cut to pensions for new pensioners - based on the LIE that they no longer need the clean energy supplement - should be urgently reversed (Goodness, electricity costs are skyrocketing, not falling, and the carbon tax removal didn't save a single cent! Australian has by far the most expensive electricity in the world, and the meanest pensions!)

    Yes, MPs benefits SHOULD be slashed. They should retire on EXACTLY the same terms as the rest of society. It is disgusting that they force poverty and forfeiture of the rewards of hard work on others yet keep their own greedy snouts firmly in the trough. That's NOT leadership. That's abuse of power and fraud and those who engage in it belong in prison.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    11:34pm
    15% tax on gross revenue would put every servo in the country out of business as the margins on fuel are not near 15%. So then no fuel sold the country would stop and be in a recession within a couple of weeks.

    New pension asset test is a good start but it needs to be reigned in further to stop pensioner's houses becoming family stores of tax free wealth. Clean energy supplement should be abolished for all pensioners as we no longer have the carbon tax. It has nothing to do with skyrocketing electricity costs.

    Without negative gearing there would be less houses to rent and rents would sky rocket. Who is going to take the risk investing their money if the government is going to get the lion's share of gains? Capital gains tax discounts are there so investors get a decent gain for the risk they take. They are not tax avoidance as they are perfectly legal. I agree tax is a game and if you can legally avoid tax then that's just playing the game by it's rules. Nothing wrong with doing that. You can even get a ruling from the ATO if you are unsure. I ring them myself from time to time if I am unsure. So anyone can do it.

    If people worked so hard then why are they now dependent upon welfare in their old age? It doesn't take much effort to save a few pennies for your old age and not be dependant upon welfare. All it's takes is self control.
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    8:24am
    Your post is what one expects from this coalition government Geezer....or is it really Frank. Yeah right.
    15% tax would put every servo out of business? That gave me the laugh of the day. You know as well as I do that the oil industry is milking the country. When oil was > $100 a barrel we were paying $1.45 for E10. Now it is around $40 a barrel we are paying $1.20. Tell me about servos going broke.
    And then go continue on with the rest of the Morrison/Turnbull garbage. Business as usual. Sorry not buying. Neither will the new senate.
    Old Geezer
    12th Jul 2016
    11:04am
    You pay approx. 40c per litre in fuel excise to the government plus other taxes on taxes so not much of the fuel price is actually what it costs for the fuel itself. That's why the price hasn't come down with the price of oil. When I owned a servo I used to have a margin of about 4-5 cents a litre with most of the profit being generated by the extras people picked up on their way to pay for it. That's why we don't have self service fuel stations in Australia.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    2:21pm
    You really are one SICK PUPPY, Old Geezer - blaming low paid workers, the sick, the disabled, those who sacrificed to care for sick or disabled loved ones, and victims of serious crisis or trauma for their hardship in old age. What a disgustingly arrogant, self-serving and egocentric remark, to suggest that not saving is the cause of old age hardship. You have no clue what life is like for the disadvantaged, do you? You just get on your gilded judgment throne and condemn good people with no grounds, no substance, no empathy, and no human decency whatsoever.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    11:37am
    That's a Result ?? All it told me was that over 50% of Australians were not overly impressed with the present situation !! :-( :-(
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    11:58am
    Actually parti had it not been for the media running their normal one sided campaign then the Turnbull ratbags would have been lucky to get 20% of the vote. As it turned out the result just indicated that many voters did not appreciate that they were being farmed and did what they were told by the Fuhrer. Sad that we have an army of drones out there.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    12:16pm
    Results not all in yet I've heard Many Absentee Voters never even got a Voting form ! And Many people in Hospitals never got the Scent of a Voting Paper ?? :-( :-( ...What say You ?
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    12:25pm
    If that is the case are they going to be fined for NOT voting?
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    12:36pm
    You cant Fine someone for not voting if there is no voting Paper ?? And further to that I heard some Polling Booths Ran Out of Forms ?? :-) :-) how goods that Mick ? :-) :-)
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    1:08pm
    Depends on why there was no voting form.
    Paddles
    11th Jul 2016
    1:51pm
    Mick

    I have to ask..........is there any person or group of people who would gain your approval to manage the affairs of State of our great country?
    If there is and you can find the time between slagging off all and sundry, perhaps you could regale us with a list of individuals and the roles that you would allocate to them if were your call.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    2:41pm
    ANY government which does not tilt the tables, both in re-election mode or policy content.
    Government should be a collaboration rather than a dictatorship. Pretty obvious what the current one is and I suggest we will be back at the polls sooner rather than later when this bunch is told 'no' to some of its malicious unAustralian policies being put up for its backers at the big end of town.
    How's that?
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    7:48pm
    Could be the smell of a re-election over that failure to provide opportunity to exercise the Right to vote......

    Supreme Court should strike down the result immediately....
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    8:05pm
    A re-election really ..... Ok I am ready ....

    VOTE FOR MICK

    MICK MICK MICK for PM
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    8:28am
    Yeah TREBOR. If Bishop's comment about pushing through the pre-election budget is true (who would ever believe that piece of Liberal Party work though) then we will be back at the polls soon. I can't see it lasting in any way as some of the MPs have made made it clear they will only vote for supply and that does not include the attack on working Australians proposed by Turnbull and his sidekick Morrison. It won't be happening.
    particolor
    15th Jul 2016
    10:12pm
    After what's happened Here, France Belgium, Germany, Sweden, England, and other Country's. I would NEVER trust a Government again !! :-( :-( :-(
    Hairy
    11th Jul 2016
    11:42am
    No more Moslems Into Australia until the ones here on welfare get a job when their country is free from strife they go back home.second stop discriminating against pensioners.third get some of these idle your on the dole a job if not they can work for the dole no excuses.Fourth those on family welfare given food vouchers a certain amount for each mouth to make sure kids are fed.fifth you come up with positive drugs or alcohol while working for dole you aotomatically go to rehab and all benefits cease ehile you are there.citizenship in Australia must be earned 12years residency wth no crime recorded or not.10years added to that if not compliant second offence deport regardless of years.sixth muftis spewing racism and hate towards any citizens deported immediately never to be allowed back same for all terror related crimes and crime gangs .lets clean this country up before it ends up like Syria Iran and iraq
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    11:54am
    OH, wouldn't that be nice!! You sound just like me thinking or what Pauline hopefully Jas on her agenda.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    11:54am
    Well said Hairy !! And the Press can lay off and behave themselves about Pauline Hanson !! I heard some shocking Disrespectful Garbage this morning !! Get stuck into that Mufti Clown who says FAR FAR WORSE things about us and the Country than her !! Our Government is as Blind as a Fence Post !! OR On the Take, to put up with that Blasphemy they Spit !! They are Hypocrites for starters, and the most Racist Mob on this Planet !! :-( :-(
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    12:01pm
    A wish list which the politically correct will call you a racist for. You cannot say these things whether they are true or not as Australia does not allow free speech. Watch Hanson go down when she opens her mouth.
    The reality is that sound government cannot occur because of the loud voices of the bad minorities.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    12:43pm
    He's on Record as saying all that Tripe ! So who Sucked it up and thought it was Wonderful ? Definitely not the Media ! Too busy Kicking Pauline Hanson for telling the TRUTH !! :-(
    Brue
    11th Jul 2016
    1:15pm
    I am afraid you are all in LaLa land if you think this country will be changed with this Government in control.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    2:38pm
    There's an old saying that we 'get the government we deserve'. Says a lot about the last 3 years and what is coming.
    Get ready for another election campaign.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:37pm
    Good to see Centrelink have cut out the large family payment for having lots of kids.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:41pm
    If all else fails change the subject Frank?
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    7:21pm
    Quote from OG ..."Good to see Centrelink have cut out the large family payment for having lots of kids."

    Yes, there are some bad ones that misuse the system but lots of them are real people with many kids BECAUSE WE NEED PEOPLE IN AUSTRALIA AND REDUCE THE FOREIGN INTAKE .... SO LETS MAKE OUR OWN....
    But with your comments wowowo

    My god (because you do not have one) how can you make this kind of comments insensitive person you are ..... Rich people like you should ......... never mind better do not tell you what I think about you with all this sweeping statements, insensitive comments and totally out of reality.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    9:42pm
    Yes I am insensitive as I can't understand why anyone would want a dozen kids myself other than for the welfare they attract. Only thing that explains it otherwise is a lack of self control.
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    1:17am
    Wrong again OG .... they like sex he he he he

    Well kids are beautiful and keep you young for ever.
    I have 3 but yes I will like to have many more and contribute more to the Australian population and my happiness

    But that is me not you ...you will not be able to handle more that 1 or two correct ????? he he he
    Migrant
    11th Jul 2016
    11:56am
    please could YourLifeChoices hide its Left wing bias and print more appropriate photos of the Prime Minister in future. Was this an original image or was the mouth Photoshopped ?
    Migrant
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    12:00pm
    You mean the Scoffing Frog up the top there ? :-) :-)
    Not Photo shopped He's so very proud of himself is all !! :-)
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    12:05pm
    What a joke of a comment Migrant.
    Did you watch the election campaign at all? All you ever got was Labor put in a bad light, the grooming of Turnbull and a serve at every corner for Shorten..........just the ABC got 3 years of "bias" claims.
    Now you come after this website where government funded trolls run their crooked agenda freely whilst others post the facts and dispel the lies.
    Leftist? That is what the right call anybody who tells the truth!
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    12:16pm
    That's JUST how he looks when he's on the podium doing his "bird dance".
    Debbie McTaggart
    11th Jul 2016
    2:57pm
    Good afternoon Migrant,

    The image was actually taken from a speech Mr Turnbull gave - all natural!
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    5:18pm
    is great to see the four labor stooges unite
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    8:05pm
    hindjerk00, does the hospital staff know you've gained access to their computer again? Remember the restraints from last time? Naughty lad!
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    8:21pm
    I couldn't care if Mother Goose and Cinderella were elected ! As long as they could do the Job, and not sit about Abusing each other and arguing like the lot there now, and going nowhere !! :-( :-(
    I can Smell a Pay Rise !! and its NOT for us :-( :-(
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    8:28pm
    particolor yes agreed sometimes I watch the parliament sessions and is disgusting but taxpayers pay their salary ..... The are seat warmers ...we do not have serious politicians in this country just a few of them and they are the young ones that gets shut by the party rules .....a joke
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    8:45pm
    I can only watch the Pantomime for so long !! half a Dozen Noddy's sitting behind some Clown waffling on about anything but what was asked of them :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    12:18pm
    Any photo is appropriate if it is of the subject - Obvious Migrant from a socially bereft country...

    The great Australian tradition of lampooning Our Great Leaders is alive and kicking... wait until the stand-up comedians, comedy hours, and cartoonists get into the game again.... then you'll see 'inappropriate'.... (ROFL emoticon implied)...
    teuchter
    11th Jul 2016
    12:00pm
    To all the old farts 60 and over,just go out and enjoy your life let the young ones wear it, in years to come they seem oblivious to the the real world of nwo and hell bent on having it.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    12:09pm
    They'll get NWO all right and Love It !! :-( :-( < their faces in 5 years time !! With NWO and Sharia Law, They will think they're in Paradise !! :-) :-)
    Personally I'm too old to care anymore as the Government doesn't care less about Oldies as is Quiet Obvious to you by now !! Or should be ! They've SPENT Our Pension Fund and are now working on your Saving and Private Super ! Not theirs... YOURS !! :-( :-(
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:23pm
    They haven't spent out Pension Fund, Parti - it's still there - they'll just have to find some savings elsewhere, somewhere out of their personal agenda luxury budget or handouts for mates and cronies.

    We demand our Right to our Pension.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    11:20pm
    Let me change that to Right to Social Security - and that includes the unemployed etc... in which MY children number NIL!

    A Pension or Unemployment Benefit is simply compensation for piss-poor government and piss-poor management of our jobs....
    Theo1943
    11th Jul 2016
    12:02pm
    The first three things he should do is muzzle Morrison, Pyne and Dutton. Send them back to their mothers for retraining and a mouthwash.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    12:11pm
    Green Tick of Approval !! :-) :-)
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    12:16pm
    Good one, but add Corman to that list.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    12:25pm
    And the Gee Gee is Conveniently overseas !! :-) He shouldn't Swear at Er ! Swear In any of them until ALL votes are in and been Counted again ! And Again !! Make that 3 times :-) :-) I don't like Shorten either but this joint is in a mess !! Maybe the New Owners can clean it up ? As this lot certainly wont !! :-( Too busy looking around to see if there is anything left to Sell :-(
    MITZY
    11th Jul 2016
    1:47pm
    You made my day Theo1943: A stint in detention at Manus might also change their attitudes somewhat!
    Max
    11th Jul 2016
    1:03pm
    The first thing he needs to do is unite his own party!
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    1:10pm
    What about honesty and transparency? I might have thought that you cannot have a respected political party without both of those qualities.
    Young Simmo
    11th Jul 2016
    1:15pm
    Sorry Mick but, the Libs got back for one simple reason.
    Turnbull kept saying what he is going to do.
    Potato Head lost because all he could do was rubbish Turnbull, and apparently didn't plan on doing anything.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    2:35pm
    Yeah Simmo....he SAID and he used SLOGANS which the mentally challenged find a compelling argument.
    If you are unable to distinguish between lies and fact then there may be little hope for the nation.
    Get used to being a slave as this is your fate. The big end of town must be sitting back and loving comments like yours.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    2:36pm
    In case you were asleep during the election campaign I seem to recall that every sentence began with "Bill Shorten". Forgotten? Then bring up the rant from brain dead Corman where he got the name wrong. A classic!
    Babs
    11th Jul 2016
    1:04pm
    I don't agree that the Victorian CFA issue is not important. It was an election promise to rescind the Labor policy that makes it possible for the CFA to be taken over by the union. Volunteers are an immensely important part of Australia's social structure. Babs
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    1:12pm
    No Babs. The CFA issue was a political football as Turnbull is trying to destroy all unions by bringing in new legislation for a regulator....WHICH IS CONTROLLED BY THE TOP END OF TOWN.
    Everybody can see what Turnbull is trying to do and he will have little chance of success unless the voting is so dumb as to give him a rubber stamp senate at the next (soon) election.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    2:38pm
    Big Red X Stamps have been banned from the Senate !! :-) :-) :-)
    DC
    11th Jul 2016
    4:37pm
    Hey Mick, me again! The proverbial troll or whatever you call me. You surely lost it with your argument that the CFA issue here in Victoria was a Turnbull instigated Union bashing exercise.
    What an absolute pile of BS I ever heard - It was an entirely Dan 'the dictaor' Andrews who did this. Even Labour MP's are fuming at this betrayal. Your friend Bill S would have won the seat required to be PM now if it wasn't for the CFA issue. You obviously do not live in Victoria otherwise you would not come up with such monumental nonsense.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:46pm
    This was a STATE ISSUE turned into an election issue by a vindictive PM looking to continue the demonising of Shorten and Labor.
    Normal crap DC. We already know the spiel: everything Labor is bad, everything Liberal is good. That is what the trolls try to peddle. Not working!
    It seems to me that Shorten did not want to engage in a state dispute whilst Turnbull went down and whipped up a hate hysteria. This is what the man does and every other speech the last couple of weeks of the campaign were just that: pure unadulterated hate. I thought we had laws against that????? Apparently not for coalition governments!
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:47pm
    Mick by all accounts they did the right thing as this should not even have happened.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    5:07pm
    No.........Turnbull usd it as an Abbott style attack weapon. A state issue which likely was a beat up but intended to make Labor look like the villain. It seems to have worked.
    DC
    12th Jul 2016
    12:35pm
    Mick, you are beyond belief! Like I said before, you are not from Victoria otherwise you would not peddle such BS. As usual with people like you: Democracy (ie majority) is only acceptable when it goes YOUR way. Labour here in Vic is the villain!!! Take you head out of the sand and come up with something relevant to say. My God, if anyone should be sanctioned under 'Hate' laws it is you.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:29pm
    So the PM should sail in and dictate terms to every state over every issue involving any Union in any way?

    Are you for real?

    BTW - I don't recall anywhere it being a Union thing of taking over the CFA - it was a matter of bringing in regulations on fires and command and control that would protect all. Nobody was forcing volunteers to join a Union or anything like that...

    Perhaps you could explain to me how that equates to a Union taking over??? I doubt it. Whole thing is a storm in a teacup and Mal has seen an opportunity to grandstand - the result will be nothing changed.
    Ayin
    11th Jul 2016
    2:36pm
    If this is indeed Malcolm's first move then he has already failed this country. What we required were two Statesmen, so Bill it is now your turn to become the greater man?
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:35pm
    Good we already have one in Malcolm so Bill needs to sharpen himself up a lot more to get to the same level of statemanship.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:47pm
    Ha, ha, ha. Turnbull turned up election night and unleashed a hateful tirade at voters for not doing as he had instructed them to do and vote Liberal? This is the sign of a "statesman"? Spoken like a true troll.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    9:54pm
    I agree we have such stupid people in this country they don't even know how to do what they are asked to do.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:30pm
    Shows the absolute poverty of any real policy that is positive in any way, when a 'prime minister' has to grandstand over a strictly state issue in which Federal government has no part in any way.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:30pm
    OG - you shouldn't talk about the CFA like that - they are good, loyal people, but like any volunteer army, they must be subordinate to the regulars in a genuine crisis.
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    9:00pm
    Yeah Geezer. Like vote Liberal when the Fuhrer tells them to? You defy belief.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    11:27pm
    Bill.. Bill.. billl...Malcolm.. Malcolm.. Malcolm... Sarah (SHY)... Sarah (SHY)... Sarah (SHY)...... funny photos... funny photos... funny photos....

    Can we discuss policies and their blatantly obvious outcomes instead of this 'cult of personality', with all kinds of imputations over the size of head, or the colour of eyes, or the obviously selected photograph to give a totally false impression?

    In Journalism 101 - which I passed at USQ - it was made plain that every photo and article was designed to fit a pre-conceived position and to push a specified point of view .... I doubt the 'teachers' even realised what they'd said....

    Where you Bin, Laden - the Australian people - for so long you have no idea where to start?

    You are being lied to daily.... get used to it, accept it, and MAKE SOME FORWARD PROGRESS for yourselves!
    ex PS
    11th Jul 2016
    2:56pm
    The first thing MT has to do is somehow demonstrate that he has cut the strings of the puppet masters who gave him his job. He is PM now, put there by the voters and needs to act like one. He has been given a chance by the voters of Australia, they voted for him not a group of faceless power brokers.
    If he continues to just do as he is told by these people and does not show us more of the MT that deposed Tony Abbott he will lose the next election.
    HE and BS have an opportunity to expunge the childish overly confrontational political attitude delivered by Tony Abbott and carried on by the current opposition to a lesser extent and start delivering good government.
    It does not matter how the so calleds spin the electin results,
    ex PS
    11th Jul 2016
    3:19pm
    .......election results the so calleds have been called out on their behaviour and they both need to start acting in best interests of the people paying there wages.
    Gloating over a victory which was not really a victory, getting involved in another Union bashing issue while the banks go unchecked, not a good start.
    MT, you are being watched and you are being measured, you will be judged by the behaviour of your ministers and your own, if you come up short again you and your government will be gone.
    BS do not play the TA game again and oppose bills just because "that is what the opposition is there for" it was childish when Tony did it and it will be seen as childish if you do it, show that you have more class than Tony, it should not be too hard.
    Voters of Australia, you have the government you deserve, watch them and take note, you have three years in which to decide who is acting in your best interests you can then either throw your vote away by mindlessly voting for a lable or you can make an informed choice.
    At any rate lets pack away the party rhetoric for a while and get back to some civilised, interesting topics. I think we have all had enough of political propaganda for a while.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    3:16pm
    At least sense has prevailed and we have the right people now running our great country.

    The Coalition now needs to reign in that debt and finish what they started with welfare and only have welfare including the age pension paid to those who need it for the basics of living. They also need to cut company tax to stimulate the economy and create more jobs.

    Good thing to see that they are sorting out that union problem with the Victorian CFA.

    I do agree that changes need to be made to their super changes announced in the budget as I don't agree with that lifetime limit of $500,000 into super. If you can have $1.6 million in super you should be able to put that much in.

    With over 50% of the population including 42% of the primary vote going to the Coalition they have been given a mandate by the majority of the population to rule our country. Hopefully they can all work togther and fix the debt problem so future generations are not burdened with it.

    Best of all I'm over hearing aobut elections.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    4:17pm
    You've Earned your Pay, now go and have a Double Whiskey !! :-) :-)
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:23pm
    Nope you can have the whiskey for me as I don't drink.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:25pm
    Only the Liberal Party spew from what I see Frank.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:31pm
    Mick who is Frank?
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    4:35pm
    Frank is Mr Turnouts FIX IT Man !! :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    10:49pm
    What a surprise that GREEDY SELFISH OLD GEEZER likes the idea of everyone else suffering but wants the RICH AND PRIVILEGED to retain their OBSCENELY OVER-GENEROUS TAX CONCESSIONS on super. Don't hurt Old Geezer. Just take from those who aren't as fortunate and give him more. Just like Turnbull! No sense of human decency. Just an obsession with self.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    11:47pm
    No it doesn't effect me but I think others should be able to put in more money later in life if they haven't been able to do so through their working life. This has nothing to do with tax concessions at all as it's after tax money that people could be putting into super. They may downsize their house for example so why shouldn't they be allowed to put the left over money into super? I know Rainey you disagree with people accessing their tax free super money. At least it is their money not the taxpayers money they are using for their retirement.
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    1:30am
    Your statements are making me very very curious I wonder if you can explain all of us your financial position not how much you have but maybe if you answer some simple uncomplicated questions maybe we will be able to understand you because at the moment many of us do not understand you

    Are you in Full pension (YEs/NO)
    Are you in part pension (YES/NO)
    Do you have rental properties declared in Centrelink (YES/NO)
    Do you have any other income (YES/NO) - IF YES to this questions what kind of income
    Do you have Super earning any interest

    No more Thanks ... This way I may agreed or disagreed and support you or not in all your comments but is hard unless I understand your financial position

    Will nice to know Good details about you other the bad ones we already know and be able to establish strong position in the forum
    LiveItUp
    12th Jul 2016
    8:05am
    Pardon me but I feel that OG should not be required to answer such personal financial questions. You don't expect anyone else to do so.

    However I will answer them for you. I am a self funded retiree that pays tax every year and gets nothing back from the government. No even a health card. I have not received any money from inheritances or won the lottery etc. I do have a super fund that has about 10% of wealth that I have grown over last 20 odds years. I like many rich people do not like super as it is too restrictive and is a the whim of the government to change it. I prefer pay more tax instead.

    I do however get annoyed when welfare people like age pensioners continually whinge about how badly they are treated when I know that they do very well thankyou. I am concerned about young families struggling from week to week while paying taxes for those to have a good time at their expense. I also get annoyed at old people who use walking sticks and bung it on to get favourable treatment to others. I also get annoyed that I have to pay more than I really should for all things medical so that others get it free or near free. I fell we live in a society of 2 classes one that bludges on society and one that pays for them to do so.

    Need I go on.
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    8:36am
    I am not really interested in your opinion or how your finances are Bonny we all know how insensitive and total out of reality you are.

    I think OG can decide by himself can he or are you his mum ????

    Bonny get real ... how ridiculous are you demonstrating your controlling personality.

    So now you call us pensioners BLUDGES QUOTE YOU "I feel we live in a society of 2 classes one that bludges on society and one that pays for them to do so" ,,,,,,,and also you call us . ..."welfare people like age pensioners"

    that shows how you are just another Racist and totally out of reality and intensity.
    Stop insulting us pensioners ..... get off

    Bye Bye I am not wasting my time anymore with racist and insensitive people like you please report me so they can cancel my membership so I am not tempting to answer your rubbish racist comments.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    3:55pm
    Dear Bonny.
    Have a Nice Day ! :-) And thank you for telling me how Well Off I am !! :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:33pm
    Plenty of cash out there for the taking - all the government needs to do is put companies on the same tax scales on their profits as Jo and Joe Bloggs are on for their earned income.

    If you can persuade me there is a difference between one working for a profit and the other working for a profit - I'm all ears.

    Be great to see some of these companies being rigidly overseen by the ATO and having to pay the top income tax bracket instead of their measly 30%.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    8:26pm
    What a hideous hypocrite you are, Old Geezer. You say ''I think others should be able to put in more money later in life if they haven't been able to do so through their working life'', yet you support ripping off people who SAVED for their retirement but, through no fault of their own, didn't manage to accumulate enough to be self-sufficient. Do you realize that many who have been hurt by the cruel and destructive (and thoroughly STUPID) assets test change (which, by the way, will send the cost of pensions soaring by destroying all incentive to save!) are being punished for sacrificing lifestyle to save as much as they were able. Now they are losing up to 25% of their income, and in many cases are left with HALF the aged pension. Yet you support this move! And then you say richer people who can afford to stash millions in super should be allowed to. What a disgrace you are! It's so sad that there are greedy, selfish people like you in this nation voting for politicians who seek to destroy the lives of battlers and line the coffers of the greedy, self-serving privileged.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    8:26pm
    What a hideous hypocrite you are, Old Geezer. You say ''I think others should be able to put in more money later in life if they haven't been able to do so through their working life'', yet you support ripping off people who SAVED for their retirement but, through no fault of their own, didn't manage to accumulate enough to be self-sufficient. Do you realize that many who have been hurt by the cruel and destructive (and thoroughly STUPID) assets test change (which, by the way, will send the cost of pensions soaring by destroying all incentive to save!) are being punished for sacrificing lifestyle to save as much as they were able. Now they are losing up to 25% of their income, and in many cases are left with HALF the aged pension. Yet you support this move! And then you say richer people who can afford to stash millions in super should be allowed to. What a disgrace you are! It's so sad that there are greedy, selfish people like you in this nation voting for politicians who seek to destroy the lives of battlers and line the coffers of the greedy, self-serving privileged.
    Old Geezer
    13th Jul 2016
    9:24pm
    There is noting wrong in people downsizing their houses, winning lottery, getting an inheritance etc. being able to put money into super.

    Yes I support the new asset test as couples with a million dollars should not be getting the pension. They have plenty to live on until they draw down their capital enough to get the age pension. They don't need the pension.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    11:43pm
    On a matter of principle - why should anyone be forced to down-size their home?

    A lottery winner has the amount gained determined in terms of income generated and can lose Pension as a result.

    You reckon my children should lose out from gaining shares in a live theatre in Sydney, that gain no income but are there for the benefit of the performing arts... and which are part of their inheritance? I am proud to say my children will inherit a contribution to the performing arts alongside many Hollywood and local luminaries... (names withheld)

    If you cop an inheritance of heaps - and put it into super - it is already bounded by restrictions on how much you can place there tax free.

    The only question remains:- how much are you genuinely entitled to recoup tax-free after profits?

    THAT is why there is argument over how much a person can LEGITIMATELY set aside as superannuation.... and that argument does NOT include the family home and often pitiful incomes of SFS people.

    It is ONLY directed at those who have already the opportunity to EVADE tax by putting income into superannuation.

    Where this entire argument has gone wrong is in its suggestion that people who own a home etc (NOT an investment property), which has up-valued without their consent, should somehow be deemed to have an income-generating source.. which they most emphatically do NOT!

    You can't eat a house in Glebe, once worth $24K and now worth $2.2million.... but you still have to live there if it is your HOME!

    You can liquidate an investment property and recoup a bankable profit.......

    There is a world of difference....

    Why should a person struggle for thirty years plus to own a home and then be forced to down-size to a unit in a controlled corporate body, just to suit some demonic idea that they own too much?

    I think that sorts the whole argument out right here and now!
    bartpcb
    11th Jul 2016
    3:36pm
    The first thing he should do is admit he has a bunch of greedy arrogant wallies on the front bench, concede that despite the election victory, his party can't lie straight in bed and hand over the reins to Mr Shorten and the Labor Party.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    3:53pm
    Ha ha after that blatant lie form Labor about Medicare me thinks we have just won the lottery.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    4:11pm
    He'll say he has a Mandate now to Flog Off Medicare !! You watch !! :-)
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    4:14pm
    Just being (Sort of) Elected is a Mandate to Libs !! :-) They are Hooked on Mandate's I think ! :-) :-)
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:19pm
    Ha, ha, ha after the blatant lies from the government despots: Labor's black hole (shown for the lie it was) but kept going, the UNFUNDED tax cuts for the rich and the $2.3 billion of welfare savings 2 days before the polls opened.
    You are such an obvious troll Geezer. Or is that Frank?
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:22pm
    Well it couldn't get any worse than what it is now. We had a major emergency over the weekend and I am absolutely disgusted with our public hospital system.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:24pm
    And of course the poor state of hospitals is the fault of Labor? As is the weather today? As was WWII as Rudd so memorably quipped.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:24pm
    That Labor Medicare one won first prize but didn't get the ribbon for them. Some of us weren't stupid enough to believe it.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:27pm
    Well what can I say the sharemarket sure likes the Coalition victory.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    4:28pm
    Tones and Turns and Mr Bad have had 3 Long years to fix the Hospitals and NOTHING ?? :-( :-( All the beds are rolling down Hill :-( :-(
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:29pm
    What beds we sure didn't get one over the weekend.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    4:38pm
    Probably not !! :-( :-( They're full of Sick "Refugees" :-( :-(
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    4:50pm
    Get yourself some private health insurance Geezer. That is what the rich do. In fact DO NOT USE OUR PUBLIC HOSPITALS AT ALL. That'll work.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    4:59pm
    Wrong Mick I've got the private health insurance but it was of no help. Private hospitals don't want to know you on weekends.
    MICK
    11th Jul 2016
    5:05pm
    Ripped off rich man. So you showed up at the stretched public system did you?
    Good that you got a dose of Liberal Party politics as you had to wait your turn. Lucky you did not have something a more serious and had to sit in the waiting room for 2 hours like my dear wife did a few years back with a broken collarbone. This is what your side of politics is all about...until it comes back to bite you in the backside. Different then.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    6:02pm
    No I called an ambulance and we didn't have to wait our turn. It was that the whole system was so inefficient and the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing.
    Anonymous
    11th Jul 2016
    10:54pm
    So your beloved Liberal Government have stuffed up, Old Geezer? We've had Liberals in control through the majority of Australia's history, so if the system isn't working, it's hard to imagine they are not to blame. Yet you endorse them? Sounds dumb to me.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    11:39pm
    System isn't working because it is so inefficient. If you had a private company running so inefficiently it would have gone broke a long time ago. However we sorted it out and thankfully were able to contract the right person to sort it all out for us. Fortunately we have friends in the right places who are more than happy to help us.
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    8:33am
    Spot on Rainey. The Liberal Party have not introduced any of the major policies which built this country. All they have ever done is serve their rich owners in sacking Australians, try to reduce their wages and entitlements and give their master big tax cuts. The current lot are no different.
    Old Geezer
    12th Jul 2016
    10:51am
    What has the Liberal party got to do with me? Nothing at all.

    I don't consider myself rich at all. It costs me very little money to live and I grow most of my food. I consider what people get each fortnight on the pension more than enough to live a comfortable life. I really don't understand why they whinge so much.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:36pm
    No need to justify to us, OG - it makes you look weak.... better to stick with the poisoned finger-pointing.....
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    3:15pm
    Sorted it out, Old Geezer? You really do live in dreamland!! What a dumb statement. We have BLITHERING IDIOTS in parliament stuffing up the nation with STUPID thought bubbles and GREED, and you say ''we sorted it out''. Unbelievable that anyone could be so blind.
    Cranky
    11th Jul 2016
    5:04pm
    Turnbull should get rid of discrimination out of the aged pension system. There is no reason why married couples should be treated in different to other aged pensioners, especially when we have hundreds, maybe thousands living together and getting the single aged pension. In many cases some of their people have never worked a day in their lives, and there fore never paid taxes, and we then have all the other people from other country's on welfare paid by the Australian government. Why aren't these other country's paying for their own citizens the same as the Australian government is doing for Australians living over seas. Lets get discrimination out of the System Mr Turnbull and treat everyone the same - Max
    ayers
    11th Jul 2016
    5:55pm
    Australia Centerlink cuts .50 $ for every 1. $ overseas pension income. So many Australian pensioners receive reduced amount of old pensions because of their overseas pensions.

    Also what a deal! A single pensioner payment in Australia is 2000 $ pm max to receive (no home, no other income!). Average pension pay downs to 1000 $ a month, even it is not a rent for a decent room and board! Still the total pay (domestic + overseas) cannot exceed 3000$ per month for a single or couple (for the many couples with single income). If the pensioners prefer to live outside Australia because the cost of living is quite high in Australia where 3000$ per month is not enough for couples to live on in metropolitan areas. Therefore they may prefer to live on in less expensive, tranquil and pensioner welcome counties.

    Greediness should be the factor here. It is not humanwise.
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    9:49pm
    It costs the government less when people are honest so why not keep the married rate. As a taxpayer I like the savings it brings.
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    8:34am
    Ha, ha, ha. You are about as dishonest as this Liberal Party front bench Geezer. You don't get more dishonest than that?
    MD
    12th Jul 2016
    12:39pm
    ayers, "greediness" always has & always will be a "factor", particularly when it comes to handouts and most folks misguided ideas of 'entitlement/right' - relative to their justification. 'They' will always be right and therefore entitled, whilst most everyone else is "dishonest, undeserving or bludgers". Perhaps a few (that post) herein need take a quick reality check in a mirror and ask themselves the very same morality questions they accuse others of flouting.
    ayers
    11th Jul 2016
    5:30pm
    Wow, what a good start to be!

    Australia has solved all major problems, then it is time to fight with Unions. Is this a good start?

    When you see unions as your opponents, they are millions backed up, Don’t worry they never loose but make all inhumanitary acts arrive short or dead end. It’d better to join them in friendly manner and make a consensus on what the Bests are for Australia.

    PM needs comprehensive understanding. World is changing, and resources are getting scarce. Every country is to determine its own destiny. In very difficult times, nor China nor Other World powers may not rescue our faltering economy. It is better not to lean on Big Banks. Lean on the majority of the Australian people, not merely 50%, but 80% minimum.

    If Australia still runs on the tail of Globalists, what will you Donald Trump becomes the next US President then? Even US is trying to escape from globalism, what your next policies about globalists may be, still become parallel with them or peacefully bye bye to them?

    Donald makes us to learn how to protect our national interests by comparisons, at last after loosing many decades on the hidden agendas of global players when our children have been suffering much from joblessness or non-quality menial jobs together with diminishing hopes.
    MiteMike
    11th Jul 2016
    5:31pm
    The CFA issue is not insignificant! Local people looking after their own interest and community safety should be independent (within guidelines) They are not threatening to take over union jobs~! ~ They just want to protect their lifestyle the environment,community, livelihood and family & friends. I believe they do consult and work with MFB when needed anyway.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:42pm
    The whole thing has been hyped as Unions trying to take over the CFA - not the other way around.

    My father and uncle were both firies for many years, and nobody ever had a problem with volunteers - in fact the station where my uncle was boss was an all-volunteer station - they answered the siren when it went off.

    But men were allowed to be different then....

    How is a requirement that full-time officers take over command and control at major scenes affecting the rights and lifestyle and ethos of the volunteer? I've seen not one word to suggest there was any attack on the volunteers at all, and they are still a valued part of the fire services, including first response to local situations.

    Storm in a teacup, and just a few bush firies with noses bent over nothing... where I come from it's called 'pub talk'.
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    6:35pm
    OG in dream world again
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    9:47pm
    After reading all this rubbish it's no wonder.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:42pm
    You have a point there - but be careful to point it both ways.....

    11th Jul 2016
    6:40pm
    I read down a little bit and then gave up. What a lot of rubbish is being spewed forth by a lot of bad sports who won't accept the umpire's decision. The usual suspects are here with their bile and vitriol, name-calling those who disagree and abusing all and sundry. I expect that from this simple post that I will be attacked as a Troll, another poster using a sobriquet and have my parentage put under question. Go your hardest you lot, get some satisfaction from your posts because I will not be commenting further.
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    7:07pm
    Do not get offended we all get a kick on the arse here and many many insults and other statements.

    I know we all are a F...it's but hey lets just have fun kicking each other and tell others how to suck eggs he he he he.

    Please do not get offended from us I know we are bad or F..i't boys and girls is just a forum not serious

    11th Jul 2016
    6:45pm
    to union organiser and labor member mick, self impregnated spokesman of the columns of lifechoises, your self praise makes you a loser, if you ever want to be a winner, very unlikely, you have to have class and have brains, unlikely elements you have been blessed with as are your followers the likes of particolor, fast eddy, still catching up with the 2013 elections, mitzy, theo, etc, as for calling those opposing your views, trolls, frank or worse, it shows that you are not only a loser but are unable to accept that the people have spoken, labor mick, you was one of liberals greatest assets as was the victorian labor premier dan andrews, C.F.A for ever, you should be proud of your efforts, as it kept bill the knive out of governing this great country we call proudly AUSTRALIA.
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    7:13pm
    VIVA MICK .... I am with you no worries mate keep it up do not worry about the others.
    You gave history and continue do in it here.

    heemsker99 good stuff mate be with MICK good person and yes I agreed with you I also change and will respect the voice of the public and wait and see what Malcolm will do to get this country on the straight way ..... He has a hard job in front
    I will not make any derogatory comments to the elected gov. I will respect the people's voice even if I did not vote for him
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    7:58pm
    I follow nobody Dipweed !! I'm not a Slave like others, to any Party !
    Don't Bundle Me, I'm a loner ! If I speak nicely to someone it is out of Respect not Love ! :-)
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:43pm
    Sad case, really... nothing we can do for him....

    11th Jul 2016
    7:49pm
    I'm still waiting for Jobson Grothe to put in an appearance and make his first speech as our new governing power.....
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    8:33pm
    I'm waiting for Welfand Security to put in an appearance from wayback !! They seem to disappear after elections these people ?? :-)
    Blossom
    11th Jul 2016
    7:52pm
    There is still one electorate in SA that could either either way. One candidate is only 560 votes ahead of the other but still thousands of votes to come.
    Aussie
    11th Jul 2016
    8:09pm
    Hey Blossom will be super funny if the final count shows ALP in front he he he he after he announce his victory ....wow how embarrassing ... But will not happen ...just thinking having a good fun
    Lookfar
    11th Jul 2016
    7:54pm
    The main reason we keep getting dumb governments is that money is not understood, here is the first Money Myth, a good place to start.

    Money Myth 1: The purpose of taxes is to raise funds for government spending.
    Fact: 100% of government spending is done through the creation of new money. Taxes cannot fund the spending of sovereign governments - they simply remove some of the money that was already spent.

    As currency-issuers, sovereign governments are very unique. They are not at all like households or businesses and should NEVER seek to "balance their budget" (i.e. tax back all the money that they issue into the economy each year), because they have a solemn responsibility, as the monopoly issuer of the nation's money, to balance the economy to maintain full employment. Without the government being responsible in this role, the economy suffers greatly, as we have seen these past few years.


    For any sovereign currency-issuing nation, the national government has been given the exclusive power by the people to issue the nation's money units, with the intent that such issuance should be used for public purpose; i.e. for the good of the nation, its people, the environment, and the economy. The people, through their representatives in government, can use that sovereign money for their collective needs (paying soldiers/teachers/judges, building national infrastructure, preserving national parks, etc.)

    The power to issue money is just that - issuing new money (not taking from others)! Issuing government money must precede any subsequent collection of that money back (taxes). The government can't collect back (tax) what is not yet given to the people via the process of spending/investing that money into the economy. And since we all like to save, it is usually best that the government leaves some of the money it issues in the economy. We usually call this a "deficit" but it is really just new money that has been injected into the economy and not yet taxed back out, to compensate for our national savings desires. See here for more about why our level of saving is linked to the need for government "deficits".

    Now it is easy to see how we became confused into thinking that governments have to tax in order to spend. Partly, this is because it is actually true for all state, county and city governments or those nations which have given up their sovereignty by using another currency (e.g. the Euro). All of these governments really do have to operate like a household or business, only spending to the level of their tax receipts plus any approved borrowing. It just isn't so for the national government.

    Part of our confusion also arises from the fact that for a period of history, all nations gave up the sovereign control over their national currencies by agreeing to a system of fixed exchange rates and promising to convert their currency to gold (which of course they could not create on demand when they needed to). This system ended in 1971 for good reasons when the US stopped promising to convert the US Dollar to gold. However, we still tend to think of our national money as though we still had those constraints in place. We don't. We are free to issue our own currency for our national interests and the prosperity and well-being of our people - as should all nations!

    We need a new way to think about sovereign money. It is an incredibly powerful invention and has great benefit for the good of people if used wisely. But we can;t use it wisely when we don't know how it works. "Balancing budgets" and "raising taxes" to "pay for" spending is a damaging and destructive approach to responsible government and can never lead to a healthy economy.

    For any nation that issues its own currency and has a floating exchange rate, spending by the government must precede taxation, not the other way around. If State money (e.g. US Dollars) comes from the US government, how can the government first ask citizens to give it money before it can spend? We need to obtain government-issued currency first before we can return it to the government in payment for any taxes owed.

    The sequence matters immensely. We simply are not constrained in the way we have been taught. We are like slaves to the gold standard that still imagine we wear its shackles even though they have been gone for over 40 years.


    We don't need to raise taxes every time we have a new task we need the government to fund.
    We don't need to cut one government program in order to free up money for a new one.


    Sovereign money such as the US Dollar is like the government's IOU which we can return to the government in payment for our taxes. When taxes are paid, the IOU is extinguished. That money is essentially gone - eliminated. It gets taken off the books. If the government needs to spend, it just creates more money. It makes no sense for the government to save our tax money (i.e. IOUs we have redeemed) since it can always just credit bank accounts with new money. Taxes serve no funding purpose for sovereign governments. Zero!

    So why tax at all? Simply this: taxes create the universal demand within a nation for the State money that the government issues. By granting the government the power to tax us, we are granting it the ability to issue a money unit as a way to provision resources. That money will be universally accepted throughout the nation since we now all need to obtain that money in order to pay our taxes.

    That's what makes a national currency work!


    Taxes actually serve three main purposes:

    As we just stated, the most important purpose is to create adequate demand for the government-issued money. Without taxation no one would accept the government "fiat" money in payment for anything. With taxes, we all accept it.
    Secondly, taxes help to regulate the economy overall, which is mostly about managing to full employment and keeping inflation in check.
    Taxation should be increased (removing money from the economy) when too much government money has been added relative to the productive capacity of the economy leading to too much money seeking too few goods (this is a relatively rare form of inflation caused by excess money; most inflation is actually caused by commodity cost increases).
    Taxation should be reduced when there's not enough money in the economy to buy all the productive output of the nation or when the private sector increases savings (which means they aren't buying goods & services). This usually shows up as unemployment, and it is the fiscally responsible role for the currency-issuer (and its moral obligation for human dignity) to maintain balance in the economy to sustain full employment.
    To discourage or encourage behavior for the common good. Taxation can be an important tool to direct resources for the good of the people or the environment that are otherwise being poorly distributed by the forces of capitalism.

    So next time someone complains about some "taxpayer funded" federal government program they don't like, you can inform them that taxes don't fund anything! Sure, we should seek a more efficient and responsible government. But we should never seek to force our government to take back (tax) all the money it creates (spends) or we will be unable to collectively save and we will keep our economy well below full employment and full productivity. And who wants that?!
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    8:10pm
    WOW !! The English method is If something is not selling you put the Price down and sell the LOT !! :-) :-)
    The American method is ( As I think we follow) ..If a thing is not selling put the price up to recover the money, which doesn't work, and you throw the whole lot in the Dirt Tin !! :-( :-(
    Old Geezer
    11th Jul 2016
    9:36pm
    Lookfar I am not too sure where you got all that rubbish from but please put it back where you got it from.

    Of course our government uses taxes to fund their expenditure. If they did what you said they did then why are we so far in debt? After all if what you write is true then they could just print money instead of going into debt. Nope not believing any of that myself.
    particolor
    11th Jul 2016
    9:43pm
    Its the Spend yourself Rich Method :-) Other Country's have tried it and are now on the World Broke Forever List !! :-) :-)
    Old Geezer
    12th Jul 2016
    10:57am
    Now I know where I saw that rubbish before. It was being peddled about by the same mob that says because Australia has been incorporated then it can't impose fines, rates, taxes etc. It was used as a reason why one shouldn't pay taxes as they were not lawful. These people certainly had some funny ideas.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:45pm
    You should feed that to us a little bit at a time..... at 8.44pm and a glass of beer it is too long in one sitting...
    Lookfar
    12th Jul 2016
    7:48am
    Of course OG, if it challenges any of your preciously clutched idiocies, it must be wrong, the world must be a bad place or why do you feel so bad all the time?
    In fact it is not rubbish, it is the actual real situation, - look at America after the banks had just about detroyed the world economy with their greed, the Govt. policy was Quantitative Easing, where they simply injected trillions of dollars into the economy, and now the economy has come good, despite a superfluity of OG's trying to wreck it again.
    And the American Govt. does not owe anyone a brass razzoo, how can that be?
    You are manacled to the gold standard OG, it failed because it didn't work, please throw your manacles away and stop trying to drag us down into the pit with you
    You are chained
    LiveItUp
    12th Jul 2016
    8:13am
    Gold standard didn't work because there was simply not enough gold to back all the money in the world.

    Yes America printed money but there day of reconning is coming as one day they will have to destroy what they printed.

    I agree with OG you talk absolutr rubbish.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:47pm
    Ah - that's why Fat Joe sold it all off at a discounted rate to his mates...... gotcha!

    I'm sure he'll go down as Australia's worst treasurer - perhaps he'll repent on the scaffold and at least save his soul....

    Nah - just wishful thinking..... he'll burn in Hell!
    Lookfar
    12th Jul 2016
    7:57am
    Particolor, Japan did it and it worked well, until they stopped doing it, Taiwan did it and it is still working well, likewise Korea, China is doing it and somehow they seem to be doing OK, America just did it despite maniacal shrieks from a whole generation of modern economists, who are convinced to this day that the world will end very soon, just go hang around Money Morning or any of those investment websites, - and they will sell you Gold too!
    Johnny
    12th Jul 2016
    8:16am
    Keep Sussan Ley in health but drop the sport add on. She
    s done an excellent job. Remove Kelly O"Dwyer from Assistant Treasurer position. bring in Sarah Henderson as a parliamentary Secretary. Find a place for Kevin Andrews.
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    8:42am
    The next election campaign has begun. How do I know that? Simple: all of the known Liberal Party trolls are back as well as new names who are likely the same group.
    When you have this number of propaganda comments there must be an election coming shortly.

    Take note everyone: the trolls DISAPPEARED 3 days out from the election as they were on other duties. Now they are back.
    Old Geezer
    12th Jul 2016
    10:42am
    Mick I always thought you were the only troll on this site. Are there others?
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    7:28pm
    o.g, labor mick is not just a labor troll, he is a paid union organiser and all his comments are paid for by the labor party, he uses many aliases in these columns, the likes of particolor, fast eddy?, mitzy, theo, check their times when comments are made, it is also known he stood at one time as a labor stooge in an election, a loser will always be a loser.
    Theo1943
    12th Jul 2016
    8:03pm
    Heemskerk99, do you really think I'm a Mick alias? Were you born in Heemskerk or is that your name. Ibwas born further south, in Eindhoven. I was one of the 1953 boat people. No Mick in my family.
    Cheers from Perth.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    8:30pm
    That Hemoroid100 often turns up at the same time as Frank and a few others ! Very suspicious I think ? :-) :-) Don't dare say anything Unliberalike or your for it :-) VOTE INDEPENDENT !! :-) :-) :-)
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    9:07pm
    I defend the truth Geezer. You and some of the others promote your corrupt Liberal Party by printing lies about Labor. I'd rather not be defending a Party I do not vote for but the TRUTH is not with you or the other sponsored trolls working the site.
    People have seen you for what you. You can change your name every day but your message is obvious and even the mentally challenged do in time see the facts for what they are.
    Given the roll out of your group today I VENTURE TO SAY THAT THE FUHRER IS GOING TO RUN WITH HIS PRE-ELECTION BUDGET FOR THE RICH AND INVOKE ANOTHER ELECTION......and of course blame every elected MP who voted down his spew for it. Watch this space!
    Lookfar
    12th Jul 2016
    9:03am
    Bonny, you are half right, there would never be enough gold in the world, but the Govt could not do it's job without printing the money, so gold had to go.
    If you had read the admittedly long articles I have posted, you would have realsied that the money printed is recovered by Taxes, the non payment of Taxes by the neo-liberal adherents is badly damging proper money flows in the world because the extremely rich usually have no idea how to manage economies on a national scale, besides, their agenda is to keep the money. - Your doom saying sounds like too severe a toilet training, or a hint of Puritan religious beliefs perhaps?
    Old Geezer
    12th Jul 2016
    10:54am
    Not too sure I'd want to hold anything but physical gold myself. Last I heard it was leverage over 500 to 1 with all those gold derivatives.
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    8:48pm
    Bonny is a half at everything, including wit......
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    9:08pm
    Got that one TREBOR....and you are being fairly generous. But I suspect it is an act as I still reckon Bronny may be Frank in drag. The mind boggles....must be the rum and cola I just had...chuckle.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    10:57pm
    **chuckle** NSW won the 3rd SOO 18-14... consolation.... and a few beers...
    Lookfar
    12th Jul 2016
    11:22am
    OG, sure, if you wish to hold physical gold, up to you, but you are not a Govt. - our Govt is so lost on this issue there is a big section of the next generation will have no employment, this is more than just a national disgrace, imho it is Treason.
    When a political party holds it's own opinion as much more important than the national interest, the future of Australia, what else can one call it?
    Old Geezer
    12th Jul 2016
    4:10pm
    So me thinks I better buy a metal detector and go gold prospecting.
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    9:09pm
    Don't bother. Already legislation for the government to repatriate it from you and give you worthless paper money.
    MD
    12th Jul 2016
    12:41pm
    ayers, "greediness" always has & always will be a "factor", particularly when it comes to handouts and most folks misguided ideas of 'entitlement/right' - relative to their justification. 'They' will always be right and therefore entitled, whilst most everyone else is "dishonest, undeserving or bludgers". Perhaps a few (that post) herein need take a quick reality check in a mirror and ask themselves the very same morality questions they accuse others of flouting.
    Gee Whiz
    12th Jul 2016
    12:58pm
    Withdraw the ridiculous superannuation changes proposed by dumb arse Morrison in the budget.

    This cost Turnbull over two million votes in the election but is he too stupid to realize this.

    Cancel the $50 billion submarine contract and spend it on the people who need it most. The Australian public.

    Stop the crazy open door immigration policy. Its sending the country broke with Centerlink benefits, free medical and dental, and housing for people coming to this country to bludge on the welfare system.

    In 2014-2015, 168,000 immigrants poured into this country. This is at a time of record unemployment, and the constant harping by Turnbull that the country is broke.

    Which only goes to prove you don't have to be real smart to be a politician.
    Lookfar
    12th Jul 2016
    2:17pm
    Gee Whiz, pity you haven't been reading my posts on real economics above, but the reality is that the Government creates money, and then takes back the excess with taxes, - this means that Centrelink actually costs the Government very little in terms of foreign exchange, and it is only in the balance of trade that Australia has to balance it's books, so Submarines built in Australia create jobs, industries, apprenticeships and jobs for the young, - everyone is happy, Submarines built overseas cost real money, - global exchange wise, they produce nothing except further drains on our trade balance for spare parts, ammunition, etc. they are a total lose, lose.
    For a Govt that believes a country has to balance it's books internally, (which Australia, being a Sovereign nation, does not) Immigration is a great boon, you don't have to educate all them foreignors, they come already educated as per the immigration requirements, - even by their own reasoning they don't worry about that when those folk retire they will need pensions, that is more than 3 years away so who gives a cuss.
    As it is actually the Govt's responsibility to spend money to create industries to employ us Australians and also the immigrants, - this is after all a country mainly made up of immigrants and immigrant descendants, one can only note the lack of responsibility by the Govt, on reasoning they themselves know is a total lie.
    We all need to be more aware of the real forces that drive the economy of a sovereign nation, and particularly claims that a sovereign nation, ie one with it's own currency, can be broke, as the incredible expenditure of the American Govt. after the 2008 financial meltdown proves, and the hard time that Greece, because it's currency is the Euro, so out of their control, has undergone.
    We live in a time of incredible abundance, where the woebegones and dancing haters seem to attract something in our psyches, so we save save save our internal currency money, which is in a way free anyway, and trash trash trash our environment, the which we can truly ill afford to lose, and by the looking after would solve all our unemployment issues, and give our grand children a future as well.
    Worth thinking about!
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    4:08pm
    Thanks for the Laughs both of you :-) :-) :-)
    I'm off now to get some Tips from some of the Well Educated "Refugees " :-) :-)
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    6:12pm
    GW agree with you we Aussies are not in the position of providing so much help to others Gov. need to think about us FIRST.
    Many people like me will move out of Australia because we just can not afford to live a decent life and have to sleep on a car.

    Some member here will call us welfare people Bludgers, Idiots and many other nice statements but the Gov need to think on the people that vote for them.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    6:18pm
    After the Election Swill they feed you, and then get elected they don't care where you sleep !! :-) They are only there to fill in time till they get their Delicious Pension !!
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    6:47pm
    particolor ... yes seat warmers mate. ..They do not care they got lots and lots of my money for over 40 years I pay large amount of taxes with my company and personal always honest and just pay what is my duties.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    7:33pm
    50 years back If Id have known the treatment now I would have never worked !! :-)
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    7:41pm
    And Professional Doleys around here seem to know it !! :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    12th Jul 2016
    7:59pm
    particolor being one of them, you should know
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    8:34pm
    You Stupid Old Goat I'm Over 70 !! Can I sit down now ? Or do you and your Boss want me to work until I'm 95 !! :-( :-(
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    9:13pm
    It sort of is the law of the jungle parti. A bit like returned servicemen. When they want you they are all over you and when they are done you can die in the gutter..
    The current lot are the cruelest and worst I have seen in a rather long lifetime. Whilst my wife and I appear ok I feel sorrow for those who are hard done by. Especially those who have worked for the nation for a lifetime and are now reduced to bare survival....whilst the top end award themselves disgraceful tax cuts which they do not need.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    9:20pm
    It doesn't worry me anymore Mick ! Ill leave it up to God to give them a Good Seeing To :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    11:52pm
    There are near 100,000 Returned Service People, Men and Women, living on the streets in the United States... In Oz there are estimated to be 3000....

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/returned-australian-soldiers-with-ptsd-plead-for-more-help-as-four-corners-program-reveals-widespread-depression-and-homelessness-20150309-13zgq7.html

    Shame .. Australia..SHAME!

    I've had mates commit suicide, and been homeless myself at age 50+... it's not a joke.

    Vets get tired of pulling more than their weight at some time...
    Gee Whiz
    12th Jul 2016
    4:10pm
    Lookfar. The subs are being built in France. They will be transported in sections to Australia and assembled in South Australia. This contract was awarded to protect the seat of the most detested man in Australian politics Christopher Pine.

    On top of that the French company who has the contract is being sued by the Malaysian government for bribery.

    What does that tell you about a dodgy contract for $50 billion signed by the Turnbull government for Submarines we don't need.
    particolor
    12th Jul 2016
    4:24pm
    Strewth now you tell us !! :-( :-( I would never have voted for him had I known that !!
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    6:53pm
    GW ...yes but Do not tell this to the 3 Liberal amigos they will get very angry and hit you hard :-) :-) ......
    Yes but no many people know this they just think they are creating more jobs when they are hiding the truths of the contract.

    We are not building anything we only assemble ....another joke
    particolor
    13th Jul 2016
    11:16pm
    IKEA Submarines !! :-) :-)
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    5:45pm
    Well here we are with completed elections what do we will see from today ?????
    the following stuff again wasting time and money ?????

    1.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsBNvevGMsQ
    2.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkFwcqx7uxs&spfreload=10

    and this the best .....wowo

    3.- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAjbTPFvxas

    Nice waste of time for all parties and have lost of fun with this one

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHThvLSSjcI

    But this about Lies of lies also good
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4f6bN0fQvM

    So in summary what do we will have now the same stuff ???? maybe
    Aussie
    12th Jul 2016
    5:52pm
    Or maybe this considering the best of politics by everybody

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvjwnRQAeoU
    MICK
    12th Jul 2016
    9:18pm
    The problem with lies and dishonesty is that the commercial media for the most part REFUSE TO BROADCAST as it is in the interests of the well heeled criminals that they remain hidden. The Liberal Party and the criminal MPs amongst it is at the very top of that list.
    Never saw what was done to Getup 3 days before the election make the news. It should have been front page news and one reason for voters to vote this corrupt lot out. A win for the crooks! And then there is the election funding fraud between the coalition and big business...hidden from the public gaze with an ongoing refusal to form a federal ICAC with wide ranging powers.
    Aussie
    13th Jul 2016
    4:59am
    Just a simple note to highligth the kind of people that govern us.
    So all this poletitians are also RECEIVING A WELFARE CORRECT ????
    For those people that continue telling us that the Pension is a welfare then this is also a welfare .......Please do not tell me that this is fair go and please note than we get a maximum of 21,255 x year or 1,771 x month ???? What is the difference between a politician and any one of us that has work over 40 to 50 hour a week ???? Someone please let me know I do not understand .....
    Read below ...... or read the complete report here http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/07/13/03/07/latest-batch-of-retiring-mps-to-cost-taxpayers-more-than-2m-a-year

    2 MILLION x YEAR WELFARE CORRECT ????? NOT A PENSION ?????
    ______________________________________________________________________

    Outgoing MPs and Senators are set to cost taxpayers up to $4500 a week in generous pension payments. Herald Sun reports.

    The program came to end under John Howard's government in 2004 but the changes were not retrospective, meaning parliamentarians elected before 2004 remain entitled to annual payments of more than $100,000.

    The majority of the outgoing MPs and Senators will pocket an annual minimum pension of $118,000, or 75 percent of a current MP's notional salary of $157,500.

    But the figure can increase significantly when bonuses for ex-ministers and officer holders as well as for time served in parliament are taken into account.

    Bronwyn Bishop is expected to earn up to $250,000 annually, having spent almost 30 years in parliament and served as a minister as well as speaker.

    Politicians who served in parliament for more than 20 years, including Warren Truss, Philip Ruddock, Bruce Scott and Ms Bishop, also enjoy up to 10 free domestic return flights a year.

    The program currently costs taxpayers more than $44 million a year and this year's batch of former parliamentarians will add another $2.3 million to the bill annually.
    __________________________________________________________________________

    ................I GIVE UP .... Now the 3 amigos will have a lot to say for sure
    MICK
    13th Jul 2016
    8:57am
    That is a discussion the coalition will not have. Retirement entitlement for them, welfare for all other Australians.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    2:09pm
    Bronwyn Bishop is expected to.... what? ''Earn'' did the article say? And precisely WHAT will the greedy, self-serving retiree do to EARN $250,000? NOTHING! She won't EARN IT. She will STEAL IT from hard-working, deprived taxpayers. SCUM!
    Aussie
    13th Jul 2016
    4:28pm
    So where are the 3 amigos OG, Bonny and KSS making statements now silence silence as I expected because is the Libs that are getting this horrendous Pensions oppppps sorry Welfare.

    Is this a fair go for all pensioners ?????? Taking Pauline Hudson saying ...."Please Explain" ..... maybe she is right ?????

    Again I Ask ... What is the difference between a government worker and a private worker doing between 40 to 50 hours a week and also including weekends and have the responsibility to manage millions of dollars on projects (Like an IT Project Manager) and please note that the private worker does not have any extras like car or travel etc etc. unless is included on their salary package then fringe benefits are pay for them ......

    So what is the difference ??????? Someone please tell me with an intelligent answer please
    Aussie
    13th Jul 2016
    5:05pm
    If we take only 10% of this 44 Millions and give it $1,000 dollars to 1,000 Aussie families that are really struggling we could support over 4,400 of our citizens in financial trouble.

    But the Polis of Australia live like Kings and queens

    Is that a Fair Go ?????? I do not think so

    3 Amigos please.... your intelligent comments on this will be great here
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    7:26pm
    is it so hard to accept labor got done well and truly in this election, as a matter of fact, they got absolutely whacked, 2nd lowest percentage since the labor party began, 32% of the first preferences, only Rudd did worse, when does union organiser labor mick and his new lieutenant, saussie, accept that the labor party under bill the knive is doomed and will stay in the wilderness till such time as billyboy get the chop! was great to see the people were wise to the lies billy spread about medicare and especially how gutless he was by not making an appearance in those electorates in victoria where his mate danny andrews, the labor premier of victoria is trying to sell out the C.F.A. to his union mates, the c.f.u. as a reward for helping danny during his elections.
    I for one will sleep better in the knowledge that this country, Australia, has voted for a stable and responsible government.
    Aussie
    13th Jul 2016
    7:52pm
    Heemskerk99 You need to join the 3 amigos clan because you really are in a dream world same as them ....

    Quote"....this country, Australia, has voted for a stable and responsible government."....HE HE HE HE HE HE you really make me laugh big time I am pissing my pants laughing ....

    I wonder if you have a look the latest poll ....maybe you did not but looks that the Liberal party only win the election because of the support of others while ALP loose but got a lot more seats on their own right wowowo you need education no no no you are totally lost without a chance to be educated so really need to join the 3 Amigos and from Now will be the new Clan of 4 Amigos

    Yeahhhh Viva the NEW CLAN OF THE 4 AMIGOS constantly in a dream world.

    Time to go sleep is nearly 8PM time for bed ..... Good Night Dream about the future with LNP ... HE HE HE HE What a joke

    Do not waste my time You have no Idea. ../
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    11:55pm
    Don't forget that's tax-free and they can earn as many millions as they like apart from their 'parliamentary pension for services rendered'...

    Y'all don't forget me now..... ah only says the truth, Baas!
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2016
    6:11pm
    saussy, pissing your pants, what is new,
    Rosret
    13th Jul 2016
    5:00pm
    13th July. I have just been listening to the ABC comments on the proposed amendments to the superannuation.
    1. They claim a $1.6m super fund will gain 5% a year i.e. $80000 tax free and a person earning $80000 would be paying $16000 p.a. tax. - there is one incorrect assumption here. That $1.6m has already been taxed the person earning the $80K has not. The superannuation fund has many fees and the tax free 5% is only 2% above inflation - if the superfund has a successful year.
    2. The $560K contribution that is planning to be reduced to $500K is retrospective to 2007. That excess money could have been invested at 5% in the business sector in 2007 or used to invest in the housing market. It can't now. How can the government justify retrospective changes.
    3. If the government does make retrospective changes will that mean if we draw down the excess and haven't drawn on super to date will we be forced to withdraw the 4% per year from the day the legislation is passed even now there will be a spare $60k earning virtually 0% in the banks. The 4% is required at the moment when you begin to draw down on super.
    To think it was the Liberal party that encouraged putting our savings into super funds.
    Anonymous
    13th Jul 2016
    8:35pm
    Everything these greedy idiots do is based on stupid flawed assumptions. They also ASSUMED people with a given level of assets automatically earn 5% on ALL of their assets. And they ASSUMED it was superannuation money and therefore tax-favoured in earlier years, whereas in many cases those who have had their pensions slashed or cancelled have only SAVINGS that were fully taxed and were accrued by sacrificing lifestyle - yet they are now suffering while people who lived the high life and spent up big are receiving higher incomes funded by taxpayers.

    But of course the rich and privileged scream when threatened with losing a little of their taxpayer-funded benefits, yet endorse cruel and grossly unfair - and economically flawed and idiotic - changes to pensions to people WHO DIDN'T HAVE SUPER, but SAVED.
    Old Geezer
    13th Jul 2016
    9:27pm
    These people with big super balances are not drawing on the public purse so they are saving the government money every year. They deserve to get their pension tax free just like those on welfare do.
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2016
    4:44pm
    CRAP Old Geezer. These people with big super balances GOT THEM by drawing very heavily on the public purse. They cost the nation FAR more than pensioners do. Huge tax concessions, grants, heavy use of infrastructure to run their businesses, government jobs where the pay is obscene and productivity virtually nil, or managerial jobs in companies where they take ten times the pay they earn and make the underlings work harder for less to compensate.

    The people who DESERVE their pension are the workers who slave their guts out for decades for pathetically low pay building the roads and bridges and electricity systems and communication networks and keeping shipping ports open and nursing the sick and injured, etc. REAL people who do REAL work for a fraction of what they are worth. Unlike the egomaniacal silver-tails, they DESERVE a generous pension on retirement, but this disgustingly greedy, selfish society we live in insists the rich must have it all. There is no end to the greed and selfishness.
    Old Geezer
    14th Jul 2016
    5:24pm
    You'll need another bigger dictionary soon Rainey with some bigger words to try out on me.

    Rainey you really have no idea what to like to run a business and a preschool full of adults. Yes that is what it really feels like times.
    particolor
    14th Jul 2016
    5:32pm
    I Loved that Rainey ! :-) :-) Have you considered a Senior Position in a Union Somewhere ? I think you have a Big Future !! :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    15th Jul 2016
    9:45pm
    Old Geezer, I've run several very successful businesses. I've advised management to increase profits in struggling businesses. I've written business reports and investment memorandums and drawn up business plans and prepared grant applications. I know a great deal about running a business. And I know that NO business succeeds without workers who are paid far less than their labour and skill is worth. That's the crux of the capitalist system - and that's fine, but PROGRESSIVE TAXATION and GENEROUS PENSION SYSTEMS and PUBLIC SERVICES are an essential balancing ingredient, offsetting the problems underpaying labour otherwise causes. The problem in Australia today is that the greedy self-serving privileged want it all. They want the cheap labour, but they are not prepared to accept progressive taxation or the obligation to fund pensions and public services. They have destroyed a prosperous nation with their greed and self-serving attitude, and they continue to demand more.

    Pruning a tree starting at the roots results in the tree falling, and that's precisely what is happening to Australia thanks to the government pandying to the selfish rich. It's falling.
    Aussie
    16th Jul 2016
    2:11am
    Hey OG .... This is Aussie the guy that receive a WELFARE (as you indicated ) from other taxpayers and enjoy long long holidays overseas with a reduce welfare he he he he he.

    Just to say Hello and thank you because YOU ALSO PAY FOR ME BECAUSE YOU HAVE RENTALS AND MORE AND MORE AND PAY TAX SOMEWHERE.

    SO THANK YOU THANK YOU OG, KSS and Bonny I am having a great time on long holidays Thanks a lot for your contributions

    your friend very happy Aussie .......From Bali having a pina colada looking at the sun setting.....

    Thanks
    Lookfar
    14th Jul 2016
    10:06am
    Hairy, to set Christians against Moslems, young against old, small time rich against poor, pensioners against working mothers is called divide and conquer, a favourite Neo-liberal trick, - those self styled "wolves' laugh as we waste all our energy fighting each other as it justifies to them their contempt for us "sheep", - it is time to stop the racism, the judgemental slinging off, and pull together, - if you want a new economic understanding try
    http://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/powerpoints/7DIF.pdf
    and realise we can change things, but not while we tear each other to bloody shreds.
    Philhal2
    14th Jul 2016
    2:09pm
    200 years later and we still have rogues controlling Australia.Time we got rid of them and elected a council to Govern Australia as a whole. Sufficient numbers equally chosen from each state ,,replaced automatically very 4 years with no additional terms ,,corruption tolerance to be zero , no campaign funding ,selected by a separate board of directors chosen much like a jury to select suitable people to guide our public services to serve the best interests o Australia ,not individuals or groups.
    Lookfar
    14th Jul 2016
    3:22pm
    This is a worthwhile area of discussion, imho philhal2, The criteria of selection would be very important, rights and duties are feeling oriented, - you feel what is right and what are your rights, not intellectually negotiable, the council should have to take that as an absolute, and should have experience in compromising negotiations.

    Where money should go in the economy should be assisted by folk working in the various professions, - even, shudder, the bankers, so as to ensure that what we need is produced, and to the quality we require and shepherds the Earth and has enough funding to allow the next generation to choose to make those things.
    The Arts, which include such things as education and engineering and history, probably the most productive part of the economy, need to be funded as a gift, not a contract, as gifted people give according to their gifts, so should be supported same same.
    Aussie
    14th Jul 2016
    3:33pm
    And a "BILL OF RIGHTS" (BOR) which we do not have in Australia and is really extremely important in the world we live now with Terrorism and strong need for legal self defence and more and more.

    The has been many many attempts to introduce a Bill or rights but all been denied. Maybe is time now to reconsider the old proposals.

    A BOR will secure our rights and duties in all respects and avoid authorities abuse of power.

    By the way we are one of very few countries without a BOR USA, New Zealand and many more has a BOR except us .....WHY ????
    particolor
    14th Jul 2016
    5:43pm
    Where Doomed !! What about when Corruption Worms its way in to Selection Panels and then You have to find another Selection Panel to Select a Selection Panel who are also Corrupt !! :-) Beam Me Up Scotty !! :-) :-)
    Lookfar
    14th Jul 2016
    4:59pm
    Aussie, a bill of rights is so important in the current situation, we are bloody sitting ducks for the political situation of the two party syndrome, - the which as we all now know the Oz constitution made no provision for so no way of stopping it, - possibly the founders, being rich landholders generally speaking knew that but could not have seen the dire consequences of whichever economic group got voted in could determine the rights of all , ie none.
    If there is no value in democracy than that of a bill of rights, it is a total justification of democracy, it is vital to all democracies, we must require/demand/ be prepared to fight for, it!
    Aussie
    14th Jul 2016
    5:13pm
    Well Lookfar mate .... without a Bill of Rights (BOR) we are an incomplete democracy or no democracy at all after all all we are a constitutional Monarchy .....
    We may follow the democratic principles but they are not securing our rights and duties because they are not written as a constitutional document that guarantee our Rights and duties like the BOR ....so we are at the mercy of the authorities in all cases political and in all jurisdictions because the law is not protecting our rights ..... the protection is all interlocked with our constitution that is a lift up from the USA and English so we are stuffed no matter what we do unless we get a BOR to protect us.

    That is my belief as an Australian citizen
    Lookfar
    14th Jul 2016
    5:19pm
    Right on Aussie, let's work for it, somehow, as best we can, give no quarter.

    Cheers,
    Geoff.
    particolor
    14th Jul 2016
    5:20pm
    I liked that Information even though it was really no Information at all :-) Time way got a Bill of Rights So the Goal Posts don't keep moving !! :-)
    particolor
    14th Jul 2016
    5:21pm
    PS.. But let us write it not Mr Murdoch !! :-) :-)
    Aussie
    14th Jul 2016
    5:29pm
    Wait a bit I will come back with some suggestions ok ??
    Anonymous
    14th Jul 2016
    6:07pm
    saussy your beloved labor party with billy the knive as leader will never win any election, the majority of our Aussies saw through him, yet saussy now wants another go, just be a man, if that is possible, and take it on the chin, your are a loser, even a bill of rights would not have got your party over the line, you might get away with betraying the leader of a party once, but twice? and then lying during the elections in regard to medicare and not being game enough to visit electorates where labor premiers attempt to sell out our volunteer fire brigades to the united fire UNION, as is happening in Victoria, billy the knive has shown himself just to be a puppet of the unions and so does saussy, by the way where is your union leader stooge mick?


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