Friday Flash Poll: Forecasting the federal election

We want to know how you’ll vote in the 2019 federal election.

Friday Flash Poll: Forecasting the federal election

The Liberal Party is battered and bruised. Labor is smirking in anticipation of a possible federal election victory. The Greens are gaining ground and the independents are hot on their heels.

These are the main players in what will quite possibly be the biggest event on the 2019 national calendar – the federal election.

During 2018, throughout various Friday Flash Polls, we asked about topics that would sway your vote. For instance, we wondered whether climate policy would influence your vote – you said yes. You also told us that the Liberal Party’s sinking reputation would probably affect your decision come election time, and that reducing the pension poverty gap, creating a decent aged care system and solving Australia’s energy cost crisis will all factor into how you’ll vote.

Today, we’re asking you for your 2019 federal election predictions. It may be a while away but letting your party know now how you’ll vote may influence policymaking in the leadup to the election.

Let’s send a message to our politicians now and see how they respond!

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And, as always, we’d love to read your comments below.





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    Concerned
    4th Jan 2019
    10:11am
    How amazing there are still people who will vote for a party and government that has destroyed a country, has demonised and punished people for no reason other then they can, who have watched people die on waiting lists, who have devastating the aged care system, who has. The list is amazing. Not only this they have corrupted themselves and their party and people would still consider it worth voting for them!
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    10:38am
    Yes, it's amazing - but what choice is there? LNP is terrible. Labor is worse. Greens are an unmitigated disaster. Independents and other minors don't seem to be able to garner enough support to do much to challenge the mongrels who are destroying society. I think Labor will win, but heaven help us! We will see far worse than anything the LNP has done. It will just be masked and misrepresented more effectively and way too many will not realise what is happening until it is too late.
    Paddington
    4th Jan 2019
    11:18am
    Labor is not worse nor is it ‘dangerous’ and the Greens are certainly not an ‘unmitigated disaster.’ Exaggerations abound! At least you did not support PH and only one person has, so far. Words like ‘mongrels’ are inappropriate and have no meaning except to highlight exaggeration and bias. There are actually good people in all the parties and amongst the independents as well. I know many politicians are sincere and genuinely care and try to do the right thing. Unfortunately, a few like Abbott and some others have caused havoc and there is the issue of climate change being ignored by some and also the haves not caring about fairness or having compassion or empathy.
    There are actually some very poor people who are not pensioners or SFRs and are doing it very tough. We discovered this recently when we gave away a few old mattresses that people needed for sleeping on. They were past their use by date. Not homeless people just desperate!
    Concerned
    4th Jan 2019
    11:23am
    You see many realise when they actually read analysis that it is the LNP who cause the issues and the debt. And many realise labor has policies and ideas and consider the whole country. So I still feel there are many who only read and listen to the mainstream media and comments implying LNP are better. LNP have honest and good politicians. I am still reeling from their expenditure. Their short sightness. Their inability to actually see the future. Their complete destruction of the Labor proposed NBN and their cost blow out. I still try to find one thing in the last twenty years that LNP accomplished. Labor got us through the financial crisis. Labor allowed many of us to get education otherwise unobtainable Labor got us Fairwork and along come the LNP and place their members and friends on it and destroy it. Once again the path of destruction always leads back to LNP
    SFR
    4th Jan 2019
    11:35am
    vote Green or independant. DO NOT vote for the LNP or ALP, send a clear message that the Australian people want the 2 party system gone
    leek
    4th Jan 2019
    12:02pm
    Was suprised by the results i saw as well like you Concerned. I have voted Liberal all my voting life. i was in the young libs when I was in my mid 20's(during Costellos time there). But as a care worker and a mother of 2 young people- one who has tried really really really hard to get a job. My eyes are open to the injustices of the current government. no way I will be voting Liberal next time. I am ashamed to have been a Liberal.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    12:34pm
    Until Labor gets rid of its silly addiction to insubstantial 'women's rights' nonsense, that cannot be supported by facts and figures - and ceases the consequent war on men and boys - it will never be worth anything, regardless of any other things it may do.

    Same with immigration policy - we need quality and not quantity to prop up an artificial market based on house flipping and building high-rise that cracks in a thunderstorm, let alone an earthquake.

    Similarly, until Labor divests itself of its globalist/internationalist 'equality for all' nonsense and its addiction just like the LNP to globalism as the economic future, this nation will never prosper under a Labor government, but will continue its freefall into Third World status, and will go down with the rest of the shite-holes of Planet Earth when Der Tag arrives.

    Lock The Gates! Get rid of all the sellout globalists!
    thommo
    4th Jan 2019
    12:45pm
    Spot on Concerned....agree 100%.
    This LNP govt has corrupted and damaged our society, and we must get rid of them....
    Old Geezer
    4th Jan 2019
    2:03pm
    Under Labor waiting lists will be longer as more people rely on the public health system because they can't afford to pay for Private Health Insurance because of all the extra taxes they will have to pay under a Labor Government. Things will be so much worse under a Labor government with many more people dying waiting to be treated.
    Sundays
    4th Jan 2019
    2:06pm
    I notice OGR that on the over 60s website where you have to use your own name via Facebook that your posts are measured and well argued ( same old diatribe, so very easy to spot). However, here you feel free to hide behind your pseudonym and use words like mongrel. Why aren’t we afforded the same courtesy?
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    2:12pm
    Nonsense, OG - the number of people going through the system will not change, since currently the 'private' system takes up far too much bed and operating space while the doctors pursue Filthy Lucre...

    All that will happen if the private subsidy is dropped is that more people who currently enjoy the fast lane will get to know what it's like to be in severe pain and wait over and over while the doctor makes a few more bucks... did-ums.... welcome to real life.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    2:14pm
    Oh - and FTR - I'm not one of those who wait and suffer - I am simply carer for someone who has been through that... and I get as close to immediate attention as possible without paying a cent extra.
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    3:27pm
    @OGR. "Labor is worse."

    Crap. The ALP is vastly better than the Rightard LNP vermin.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    3:41pm
    Dream on, Knows-a-lot. The day of reckoning will come if the ALP gains power, and heaven help us all. The needy will suffer most, sa.ly
    GeorgeM
    4th Jan 2019
    5:31pm
    Liberal, Labor and Greens are all disgusting, and all here need to understand that these 3 have joined together to bring this country down into a mess. Also, be very clear that all 3 of these crap parties have and will destroy Retirees incomes.

    So, vote OUT all 3 of these (select whoever else you prefer) by putting the current MP from these parties LAST in preferences. It is TIME to send a message and get rid of these self-centred leeches.

    And, Retirees, don't waste your time attacking each other - these 3 parties just love that - while they reap the benefits of disunity.
    Retired Knowall
    5th Jan 2019
    9:12am
    Some of the above posts demonstrate how thick some people are.
    At the risk of repeating myself, "Vote Independent, make your vote count by sending the message to the Major Parties that the PARTY IS OVER.
    Voting for the Major parties will only continue the mess this country is in.
    I believe you may have heard the expression "If you keep doing what you are doing, you will keep getting what you have got".
    MICK
    5th Jan 2019
    10:58am
    Whilst you are spot on Knowall the number one priority should be to get rid of the current cancer before it entrenched its developing dictatorship. If voters have not been taking note of legislative changes which the media barely mentions at all then they will have to wear a police state where it is illegal to speak against a political party with the 20 year mandated jail sentence waiting to be implement.
    I hate voting for either of the majors but no choice this time around. Following election I'll be doing the same as you.
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    10:15pm
    The priority should be to ensure neither major party has sufficient numbers to do serious harm, and I honestly believe the ALP is the more dangerous of the two, despite recognizing that the LNP is toxic and has done enormous harm. I believe both parties share the same agenda. Labor just goes about it differently, and I believe in a much more harmful and deceptive manner.

    What matters most is that we send a strong message to career politicians that the day of reckoning has come and we will no longer tolerate their abuse of power. They must be told that they are there to serve us and to act in the interests of the majority and society as a whole - NOT to peddle their own self-serving agenda or to feather the nests of their buddies. To do that, we MUST elect as many independents and minor party members as possible, taking great care to choose our own preferences and NOT follow how to vote cards. And most importantly, NOT vote Green.
    old frt
    4th Jan 2019
    10:24am
    Doesn't say much for the alternative choice.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    10:39am
    That's thee problem, Old ft. There IS no choice. Both major parties have the same agenda. They just go about achieving it in slightly different ways. Labor is far more devious, but also far more dangerous.
    Concerned
    4th Jan 2019
    11:30am
    Why is Labor more dangerous. Because they actually have a plan to get us back on track. Because they want to remove tax dodges such as negative gearing, trust funds, becasue they want to spend money on education and hospitals. Wow save us from progressive agenda. Let’s stay in the Victorian ages with the LNP. Let’s watch or disabled be told to get out of their sick beds and do a good days labour, let’s tell people to work until they are seventy and let’s not forget to tell those caring for these people they are just bludgers living off the Newstart allowance. Stop the rhetoric spewed from the likes of Howard, Costello and Morrison. Let’s embrace the cruelty of Dutton. Let’s lock up anyone who disagrees so we can keep Australia the pure country without multiculturalismm. Let’s beleive the lies LNP tell because God forbid don't vote Labor and have a fair go for everyone. Just put on blinkers and believe It is all Labor,s fault!
    Concerned
    4th Jan 2019
    11:30am
    Why is Labor more dangerous. Because they actually have a plan to get us back on track. Because they want to remove tax dodges such as negative gearing, trust funds, becasue they want to spend money on education and hospitals. Wow save us from progressive agenda. Let’s stay in the Victorian ages with the LNP. Let’s watch or disabled be told to get out of their sick beds and do a good days labour, let’s tell people to work until they are seventy and let’s not forget to tell those caring for these people they are just bludgers living off the Newstart allowance. Stop the rhetoric spewed from the likes of Howard, Costello and Morrison. Let’s embrace the cruelty of Dutton. Let’s lock up anyone who disagrees so we can keep Australia the pure country without multiculturalismm. Let’s beleive the lies LNP tell because God forbid don't vote Labor and have a fair go for everyone. Just put on blinkers and believe It is all Labor,s fault!
    SFR
    4th Jan 2019
    11:35am
    vote Green or independant. DO NOT vote for the LNP or ALP, send a clear message that the Australian people want the 2 party system gone
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:13pm
    For one thing, Labor is more dangerous because they are inept. They release policy based on completely outdated figures claiming to fix a problem that no longer exists, and in the process they threaten demolition of the economy. They are far too locked to stupid 'equality' theories that will demolish the value of work and responsible living and put everyone on welfare. We NEED people to work and save and invest. It's NOT a crime. The folk who do it are supporting pensioners and paying for schools and hospitals. Labor isn't doing ANYTHING to take more tax from the rich - only from the middle and upper working class who already pay more than their share. And when they give up because it's too hard, there will be nobody paying. Labor wants to demolish the income of 660,000 retirees and make those who retire with modest assets worse off than pensioners. When there are millions more on pensions because there is no benefit in self-funding, who pays the extra cost of pensions? Negative gearing changes will drive rents through the roof.

    Tell me why the ALP isn't proposing to fix the unfairness of super? A very high income earner gets 30% tax reduction on his super contributions and income and a low income earner gets NOTHING. Why isn't Labor fixing that? Oh, that's right. Because they wouldn't want to hurt their rich buddies. Just attack struggling low income retirees and battlers buying an investment property to try to get ahead and give their kids a good chance in life. That's Labor's way, sadly. And promote immorality and 'women's rights' nonsense, and insane nonsense about gender.

    Labor DOES NOT have a plan to get us back on track. They have a plan to destroy the economy.

    Independents, 1984 - NOT GREENS. They are a disaster with their idiotic social re-engineering ideas.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    2:25pm
    I rather thought that Labor was enslaved to the idea of destroying our society as we know it, and then rebuilding a Brave New World of Everyone Equal on the ashes... trouble is... there will be nothing with which to rebuild, just endless packs of wild dogs roaming the devastated landscape searching for some equity in food supply.

    a's an allegory... think about it....
    Sundays
    4th Jan 2019
    5:39pm
    OGR Labor aren’t more dangerous. We at least know their policies up front. Unlike the Liberals who have made changes to people’s retirment with no warning. Abolishing negative gearing for properties in the future which aren’t a new build will not increase rents. Last time this was introduced only Sydney and Melbourne were affected, and then there was no incentive to increase the housing stock. Lack of housing drives up rent. I strongly doubt that there will be millions more on pensions because they’ve given up self funding. I’m self funded, the money is in super and eventually it may run out, but the reason I would never just spend it all and go on the OAP right now is because I would never choose to live on the paltry sum that is the OAP. It’s a minimum standard of living at best. The large sums in super balances shows many others feel the same. The ALP aren’t that stupid, they need people to invest in super, and fund their own retirement. High income earners won’t invest without tax concessions be it super, negative gearing or Franking Credits
    Retired Knowall
    5th Jan 2019
    9:19am
    Some of the above posts demonstrate how thick some people are.
    At the risk of repeating myself, "Vote Independent, make your vote count by sending the message to the Major Parties that the PARTY IS OVER.
    Voting for the Major parties will only continue the mess this country is in.
    I believe you may have heard the expression "If you keep doing what you are doing, you will keep getting what you have got".
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    4:36pm
    Sundays, the ALP obviously IS stupid - or has a sinister agenda that they aren't revealing. I have not suggested removing the incentive to invest in super - but rather INCREASING IT. The rich get their tax benefit if the system is reformed - albeit slightly less - but everyone else ALSO gets a benefit, so there is far more incentive to invest and far more people investing. A fair super tax benefit would INCREASE investment in super dramatically - not reduce it.

    As for the OAP being 'paltry'' - for hundreds of thousands halving their assets would mean an income of $60,000 a year (for a couple) with full concessions - way, way more than the OAP and probably close to double what many are enjoying now. They are NEVER going to be on the OAP with no other income. But they ARE going to see that their extra savings are of ZERO benefit to them and only being drained away steadily to benefit the taxpayer, so they might as well spend it quickly and have a good time as let the government steal it slowly.

    Financial advisers are now telling people if they have less than $1 million for an individual or at least $1.6 mil for a couple, they are better off to be below the asset threshold, and if Labor get their franking credit policy through, millions more will have a powerful incentive to take that advice.
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    4:46pm
    And the ALP's basic premise is dangerous. They want social engineering that the nation can't afford. They want to destroy the value of work and increase welfare. Their policies on women are unworkable and absurd. They have no respect for religious freedom or freedom to adhere to traditional moral values - but are forcing everyone to accept their ''new world order'', wiping out personal freedom in the name of personal freedom! Their policies feed the rich and destroy the lifestyle of battlers, while pretending to be on the side of the worker. Such hypocrisy!
    Sundays
    5th Jan 2019
    7:54pm
    OMG, sinister agenda! Social engineering. Well, if that’s better healthcare, aged care, education and environment policies. Bring it on!

    I believe if you only receive the OAP you are doing it tough and it’s a long way from an income of $60,000. Those on $60k are part pensioners and I agree with financial advisers. It’s the only answer for people where Super was not available until later in life. The pension is their right and they are partly self funding. I doubt many on this site would support a stance against part pensioners. Those same advisers would also be recommending diversification. If you have your total nest egg of $900,000 plus (to lose the $15k in Franking Credits you bandy about) in Australian shares and it’s purely for the Franking Credits you have a lot more to worry about. Ever heard of stock market crash! How many Australians would be that stupid. 50% of Australian shares are owned by super funds. Unless it’s a very small SMSF, individuals are not affected by changes to Franking Credits. I don’t agree with Shortens policy. I’m glad he’s modified it for pensioners, but your posts are just white noise.
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    10:30pm
    We won't have better health care or education, much less age care when there is no money to pay for it, Sundays. And Labor's economic policies will ensure there is no money to pay for it.

    Few on this site support an attack on part pensioners, but many are supporting an attack on the self-funded, despite the fact that vast numbers of self-funded have incomes way below the OAP unless they draw on savings, and when Shorten works his evil, they will drain their savings quickly. It is NOT only the very small SMSFs and individuals who will suffer from Shorten's attack. Large super funds are also objecting and noting significant loss to their members. And modifying for pensioners made it much more unfair and much more harmful - because it now creates a social and economic divide that makes part-pensioner status the only sensible objective for retirees. And that's going to do massive harm to the economy,

    As for a stock market crash - many SFRs will be ambivalent about that risk because they would have much higher incomes with less assets anyway, and if Shorten has his way their assets will be rendered worthless by government policy - if the assets test change didn't already achieve that end.

    What Australia needs is an end to the social re-engineering and a return to encouraging and rewarding work, saving and investing. We cannot help the poor by making more of them, and that's Labor's goal - and appears to now by the goal of the LNP as well.

    Bring on the independents and end this monopoly by two-parties chasing the same evil agenda for ever
    Sundays
    5th Jan 2019
    11:45pm
    The Asset change forced 330,000 people off the Pension. Isn’t that what you’re about. More people being self funded, less on Welfare. You can’t have it both ways. No one is ambivalent about a stock market crash unless you’re very wealthy. You just make this stuff up as you go along
    Hoohoo
    6th Jan 2019
    4:21pm
    OGR you seem to be pushing the LNP fear-mongering agenda with your "And Labor's economic policies will ensure there is no money to pay for it (health, education, aged care & the environment)."
    The LNP always claim to be superior in economic management, but they have actually increased the national debt AND cut social servies, all while bleating about Labor's debt (the debt that actually saved our country from falling into Recession during the GFC, like most other western democracies did). That's roof that trickle-down/austerity is a failed concept. Governments need to invest in their economies, with the future in mind, NOT THE NEXT ELECTION!
    You should see our local Nationals candidate with his rampant pork barreling after the sitting National was ousted by a Green last NSW State election!
    So vote Green or Independent & make sure you put the LNP last on preferences.
    Hoohoo
    6th Jan 2019
    4:30pm
    As for the protection of religious freedom & values, don't forget that if you protect Christian freedom to brainwash young people in religious schools, you also protect Islamic freedom to brainwash their young people in religious schools. You can't cherry pick your favourite religion for special treatment here.
    Personally, I'd rather see young people protected from brain washers.
    Anonymous
    6th Jan 2019
    9:38pm
    HooHoo, I would NEVER consider voting for Greens, knowing their social and economic agenda. Nor would I consider voting LNP or Labor. I will vote Independent or for one of the few minor parties that appear to be concerned with the future of society - if only one or more would run a candidate in our electorate.

    I am not pushing any political agenda. I am merely objectively analysing the likely effect of Labor's seriously flawed policies. Actually, the LNP's policies are equally bad. The bottom line is that demolishing the value of work and responsible living - which BOTH parties are doing - will ensure there is no money for education or hospitals or aged care or anything else.

    We need people to pay tax, and we need FEWER people on welfare. The only way to achieve that is to allow people to benefit fairly from their endeavours. We need to encourage and reward work, saving and investment, because it drives growth and jobs and tax revenue. And without that, there is no money for services of any kind.

    The LNP pushed 330,000 off part pensions and made them WORSE OFF for having saved. That is harmful. Now Labor wants to totally demolish the incomes of struggling self-funded retirees by overtaxing them. That will push more people into hardship, slash spending that drives growth, increase the demand on the pension system, and take investment capital out of Australian companies - resulting in reduced growth and therefore fewer jobs and less income tax revenue and less spending - starting a vicious cycle of reduced growth and reduced jobs and reduced tax revenue and more on welfare. The ONLY possible result is that there will not be money for health and education etc.

    LNP slashed pensions, but it didn't fix anything. It just reduced spending and tax revenue and increased the likelihood that those whose income was cut will rely more heavily on the OAP in years to come, because their savings will run out faster and more yet-to-retire will see the futility of being self-funded and reduce their savings. Labor is threatening to do far worse - and those who will suffer massive income loss will be forced onto pensions. But more disturbing is the overall economic effect. LNP hasn't highlighted the likely consequences in detail, but financial advisers and economists have, and it ought to scare the living daylights out of all of us. It's just sad that some take the ''I'm alright Jack stuff you'' attitude until they actually feel the pain - and they will.

    As for Christianity - I don't support any form of brainwashing, but I do support allowing freedom to retain Christian values and beliefs and to adhere to one's own code of morality. If some want to teach Islam beliefs, fine. There is nothing wrong with Islam, any more than there is with Christianity. It is the practices of certain types of people that cause problems. Christian beliefs do not force anyone to be a paedophile or to condone priests having sex with little boys. It's the individual priests at fault. Islamic beliefs do not force anyone to be a terrorist. If we have no freedom of belief we have no freedom. What behavioural code or social code would you have taught instead of Christianity or Islam? Communism. Nazi beliefs? Extreme socialism? People NEED to believe in something. We need a moral code of some kind. We need a social structure and laws. Something has to underpin all that or we have chaos. And if you refuse to protect freedom of religion, then you enforce your own alternate moral code - and who are you to assume the right to do that?
    Snowwhite
    4th Jan 2019
    10:30am
    Time to put the LNP out for a generation to stop them selling off Australia and privatising our assets. Enough is enough.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    10:40am
    And instead let Labor wreck the economy. I agree with you, Snowwhite, but the alternative is much more dangerous. All I can hope for is enough independents to stop the extremists doing too much harm.
    AutumnOz
    4th Jan 2019
    11:06am
    Rainey, while everyone thinks within the box, that is thinking there are only two parties to choose from, either LNP or Labor will rule this country.
    There are many smaller political parties who do have the interests of Australia and Australians in mind but very few people who comment on YLC mention these parties.
    We all need to use our vote and make it count the way we want it to, if most of us continue to just tick one of the major parties in elections it will continue to be a two party preferred country.
    That means which ever one of the major parties comes into power they then have the mandate to rip us off as has been happening for the past decade or two and by continuing to thin within the box we are allowing them to do it.
    AutumnOz
    4th Jan 2019
    11:16am
    The last line above should read......by continuing to think within the box we are allowing them to do it.
    Dave R
    4th Jan 2019
    11:31am
    The LNP has become irrelevant to modern Australia where their 1950's beliefs are no longer those of the majority of people. Unless they change radically they are finished as a major political party.
    And this present government is the most incompetent and divided in decades, Abbott, Turnbull, Morrison are worse than Rudd, Gillard, Rudd.
    SFR
    4th Jan 2019
    11:36am
    vote Green or independant. DO NOT vote for the LNP or ALP, send a clear message that the Australian people want the 2 party system gone
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:20pm
    AutumnOZ, I intend to vote independent. And I encourage everyone else to also. Anyone who thinks Labor will do better than LNP is delusional.
    GeorgeM
    4th Jan 2019
    5:36pm
    I agree, AutumnOz. If you are lucky to have any reasonable alternative to these 3 (Liberal, Labor or Greens) by all means vote for them, however you also have to make sure your preferences do not end up going to one of them in case your candidate loses. Hence, my recommendation - put the current MP from these 3 parties LAST in preferences.
    Misty
    10th Jan 2019
    12:02pm
    And who would those minor parties be Autumn Oz, I am interested to know as when I check them out no one particular party seems any better then the rest
    musicveg
    10th Jan 2019
    1:39pm
    Misty there is quite a few, I like Sustainable Australia Party, Animal Justice Party, Health Australia Party, but there is others too, and have a look at the independents in your area, but you have to check who preference votes go to unless you vote under the line and vote your own preferences.

    4th Jan 2019
    11:03am
    Bill Shorten does not appear to have the brains to run the country he is all about more taxes to support as many fringe groups as possible, he will open the borders once again and let in as many scumbags as the labor party did last time all wanting to blow us up, he will increase power costs by another 50 % with his climate warming policies (which will make no difference to the atmosphere) and he may put pensioners on plastic cards to control their spending. There is also talk of imposing capital gains tax on sale of your own house.

    If you look at the talent in his front bench not much there same as Gillard and Rudd had you can name them Burke ,Pilbersak and the likes of Bowen
    Concerned
    4th Jan 2019
    11:36am
    Where do you s amazing statement from Robbo. If you have ever listened or talked to Bill Shorten you would realise he is a very intelligent caring man. And as for opening the borders, I think the LNP have done that with the planeloads of scumbags coming into the country in the last five years. As for power costs Hmm seems the LNP have successfully achieved this - in the last five years! And as for pensioners on plastic cards-hmm seems there are already plastic cards called Indue which have devasted the lives of people for no other reason then to give money to Indue. Have you ever thought about where the internet goes while Indue control the money of people. But I suppose you think anyone who is not earning is a bludger. As for capital gains tax. The proposal is to re instate this on the sale of negatively geared properties. So it looks like all you are concerned about is those that have - not the rest of the country.
    Rae
    4th Jan 2019
    11:40am
    There is nothing much left to privatise or contract out now. They only have taxes left. You can't get blood out of a stone unfortunately and most of Australia's income is now foreign owned.

    Increased GST and land tax won't surprise me. Revenue must be pretty desperate about now.

    It doesn't matter which party is elected. At some point we have to start living within a much lower means and that will be a shock to those who lived high on debt for far too long.

    The LNP has been a disaster to local cashflows and I suspect the ALP will finish off the job.

    Both parties cater to fringe groups of one type or another while making foolish legislation that is slowly bleeding the worker's dry.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    12:38pm
    I think Rae and Rainey and a few others of The Middle Way have got it right!!
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    12:42pm
    Robbo your comment is so unfounded, don't know where you get your facts from. And there are more immigrants coming to Australia legally every year and LNP want to increase it because it is good for business. Check out Sustainable Australia Party and read why they are passionate about curbing the legal immigrants to a much lower number.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    1:22pm
    That intelligent, caring man is unable to realise that women are not short-changed by being paid for the actual hours they work, and their super is applied for the same hours.

    Anyone with a modicum of arithmetic can work out that you get what you work for, and anything else is a free handout for doing nothing. I'll say it again - will there be a similar outcry in 15-20 years once the handing of women all the fat super jobs etc comes to fruition - and MEN are lagging in super due to being pushed into the low socio-economic positions?

    Will intelligent Bill ever do figures on super and incomes for actual hours worked over a lifetime instead of just wide open figures based on raw incomes and not even relating to hours worked?

    An intelligent person would, FFS, leave super alone until it has run a full 'lifetime' - a working life of 50 years or so before jumping up and down about who hasn't got what and making ever more preferential rules for the whiners. Bill is following the LNP line of Fat Joe, of carrying on like a lunatic about how much pensions are going to cost down the line, without any reference to the need for super to run a full lifetime of fifty years.

    Bill would be better concentrating on getting EVERYONE who wants to work and is capable into a REAL job instead of stuffing about with extra super for non-working women and playing the mindless 'wage gap' card over and over regardless of figures.

    Pretty simple, really - and shows clearly what seriously stupid people we vote for, and how they cater for a limited intellect mob who tell them what to say.

    Fat Joe, for example, is 'intelligent' - he is just not very cluey about realities.. that's called sense and sensibility.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:32pm
    "Intelligent Bill'' can't even figure out that franking credit refunds have reduced since 2014-5 due to LNP policy changes. Nor can he work out that you'd have to have a hundred million in shares to get $25 million in cash franking credit refunds, and anyone who has that and is getting cash refunds ought to be the subject of a major ATO investigation - not cause to demolish the income of struggling self-funded retirees and push them onto the OAP, upping the cost of welfare and putting share values and company growth and jobs at risk. He's NOT intelligent.

    And BTW. No intelligent person - let alone politician - declares he will never change his mind no matter what evidence is presented that he might be wrong. That's a DANGEROUS IDIOT with a sinister agenda.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:57pm
    I don't know how caring Bill Shorten is Concerned I'll bet the two women he was accused of raping didn't think he was too caring. Just recently his right hand man from the powerful
    Maritime union was arrested for beating and kicking his wife who was subsequently arrested for drunken driving she blew.28 and had two of her kids in the car, how caring are these labor people ?
    The whole lot are nothing but Bogans .
    Jim
    4th Jan 2019
    4:19pm
    Concerned, I am not sure where you get your information from regarding Bill Shorten, the only person he has ever cared about is himself, yes he might be an intelligent man, which makes him even more dangerous, he knows exactly what he’s doing, so now you will want some sort of proof, well here it is, I was a member of the AMWU when he was the national secretary, I was part of a group trying to save the jobs of ten people at BHP ( Bluescope ) we had an iron clad enterprise agreement, management applied to the commission to vary our award which stipulated how many employees we needed at the 5 and 6 blast furnaces, after almost 2 years of fighting the company with no legal support, we were told by commissioner Connors that we were not putting our argument in a legal acceptable way, we had pleaded with Shorten to give us some legal support, he responded saying we didn’t have the funds, a short while later he interrupted one of our meetings, which I was attending after a 12 hour night shift, he was travelling around the country with his entourage telling us to vote against an upcoming vote on the salaries of the board, whilst admitting that it would make no difference as the vote was controlled by 75% of business leaders, when I pulled him up on it and asked why he was wasting money on something we had no control over instead of trying to save the jobs of 10 of our colleagues, apart from a racial slur against me, he told me to look at the big picture, this was his run up to getting elected. The men lost their jobs, and also opened the flood gates for many more employees to lose their jobs. Now you want proof that it happened, you have intimated that you know Shorten, just ask him, I am sure he will be as truthful as all politicians, NOT
    GeorgeM
    4th Jan 2019
    5:49pm
    Bill has been intelligent enough to bring about the downfall of 2 Prime Ministers, and has manipulated the situation to put himself into the box seat to become the next PM - by default, with a hopeless Liberal Govt on the way out! But concern for anyone else? What a joke! He hasn't got a clue what to do! He also has a disguising dumb bunch in his team - Tanya (the Greenie with radical gender agendas), dumb Bowen (the driver of multiple election losses - remember he had a 5-for-1 Malaysia solution to solve the refugee crisis, then refused to reverse the Assts test, etc), other Greenie & Globalist types, and so on. The country seriously looks to be in trouble with all of these clueless, self-centred leeches licking their lips in anticipation of getting into power.

    If Retirees want Change, vote OUT all 3 of these major parties (select whoever else you prefer) by putting the current MP from these parties LAST in preferences.
    Hoohoo
    6th Jan 2019
    4:41pm
    TREBOR you seem to be suggesting that unpaid work is not work & therefore doesn't deserve any of the rewards other (paid) work gets.
    Things need to change & males need to step up when it comes to caring. I won't be holding my breath waiting for men to be considered second class citizens.
    bob menzies
    4th Jan 2019
    11:03am
    The coalition have been a rabble but have still been more effective than previous labor government - I have no doubt labor will win the next election but I also think it will be tighter than some pundits are predicting - labor by 4 or 5 seats with further support from 4 or 5 independents. senate is a lottery and may well be controlled by one nation, lib dems and Aust conservatives.
    I expect greens to lose 2 or 3 seats and if so good riddance.
    The problem if labor wins is that the those who will be ministers have failed previously namely Bourke, Dreyfuss, Plibersk, Wong and Bowen to just name the main players.
    Concerned
    4th Jan 2019
    11:43am
    How have they been more effective, we have a health blow out, an aged care blow out, our debt has doubled and we have little to show for this, we have an increase in homelessness, unemployment, causalation of work, insecure work and underemployment. We have politicians involved in scandal -Joyce, Christiansen, Price, And now apparently Aboott. We have had deaths on waiting lists, over 100,000 people waiting for aged care packages.....and this is better how? And don’t. Say pink batts. We have an NBN that doesn't work and is already old technology because Turnball tried it with copper wiring. We have the destruction of the Murray Darling. And we have 1/2 a billion given to a corporation to administer the reef with no due process and no explaination. And of course we have Dutton who believes himself above the law
    Hawkeye
    4th Jan 2019
    1:11pm
    Concerned, you have a strange memory of the LNP's sabotage of the NBN.
    Turnbull, as minister, wanted to continue with Labor's FTP system.
    But Abbot, as Captain, forced him to sabotage it by implementing the FTN version, using the already rotting in the ground copper cables.
    So I am stuck with the fake Abbot NBN as I call it.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    1:25pm
    My copper cable is around fifty years old - there are several phone connections in the house -- only one works, and carries the lot - meaning I can't even use the the set top box for movies I pay for, since it doesn't do wi-fi to the modem. And don't talk to me about drop-outs and slow service...
    Sundays
    4th Jan 2019
    1:52pm
    You’re kidding Bob, right. You can’t believe that Michaelia Cash, Kelly O’Dwyer, Peter Dutton,Mathias Cormann, Scott Morrison and all those who assist him and who we never hear from eg, Scullion, Irons are doing a great job. I’d like to know their achievements and real ones, not the rubbish jobs and growth mantra where permanent employment is shrinking
    Misty
    10th Jan 2019
    8:42pm
    Oh, really bob menzies? and this current lot have not failed miserably in some of their positions?, give me a break.
    Florgan
    4th Jan 2019
    11:10am
    Omg
    LNP have to sell everything off to pay for labour’s debt.
    Australia can not afford a labour govt.
    SFR
    4th Jan 2019
    12:03pm
    It's shown over the last 6 years that Australia can't afford the LNP. Pensioners suffer, workers suffer, families suffer but prosperity to the top end of town.
    PlanB
    4th Jan 2019
    12:04pm
    Absolute BS Labour got us out of the GFC
    Also the Libs always sell off everything and still get into debt -- I am over the bloody lot of them.
    This lot have done NOTHING except bitch and fight and rob us blind!
    Paddington
    4th Jan 2019
    12:15pm
    English Labour Australian Labor!
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:48pm
    Both Lab/or/ours mean bogans
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    3:42pm
    Bullshit, Robbo. Was Whitlam, Keating, or Rudd a bogan?
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    4:33pm
    Yes all of them Knows nothing and so are you .
    Jim
    4th Jan 2019
    6:11pm
    Knows-a-lot, the problem with 2 out of the three you mentioned is that Whitlam almost sent the country broke with the wage increases he gave workers over a 2 year period, had he have used his head and spread the increases over 4/5 years it might have been sustainable, but instead wages almost doubled in 2 years, then he tried to get the country out of the mire by using Khemlani as a broker to borrow money from the Arabs, helping himself to a few million along the way, fortunately the deal didn’t go ahead, if it had we would probably still be paying it off, as for Rudd he was unfortunate due to the GFC, but then the circus that followed between him and Gillard which was somewhat orchestrated by Shorten seen them out of government, Hawke/Keating was probably the best government we had since the 60’s and Howard/Costello government brought stability to the country, then sold us out especially pensioners, Shorten will also sell out pensioners, he can’t pay for all of his bribes/promises that he’s making without increasing revenue, so we will have to see who bears the brunt of it all.
    panos
    4th Jan 2019
    11:13am
    It's amazing you older people cannot break a habit of a lifetime and still vote LNP.... even though the LNP screw your pension which is not bloody WELFARE stuff you over and savings, try to eke out a few extra dollars and your penalised..

    Give everyone the pension and get rid of centrelink which most likely costs more...

    Vote Labour and the LNP when they do get back in wont stuff us around
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    12:41pm
    Scrapping Centrelink will put countless part-timers out of a job, and will cut out many women currently part-time there and there via AA who are copping the sweet super... imagine the mileage the 'feminists' will make out of that one...

    Every way you go is fraught with pitfalls and dangers, and somebody will leap on whatever it is and point out the negatives of what would normally be an overall positive move.

    It's like Yes Prime Minister when the PM decides to get rid of tobbaco as a health problem...
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:57pm
    Vote Labor and there will be no OAP. We won't be able to afford it because they are demolishing the value of work and saving and killing off the middle and upper working class. There will be nobody left to pay tax.
    I can remember when
    4th Jan 2019
    11:18am
    I see those deciding not to vote LNP this time are shifting to Independents and others and not Labor or One Nation.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    12:41pm
    .. been voting Independents for years now...
    GeorgeM
    4th Jan 2019
    5:53pm
    It's great to see over 20% are planning to vote Independents, plus Others! There may still be hope if more see the light!
    ancal
    4th Jan 2019
    11:18am
    I feel it is time we started getting real answers from anybody we vote for. Being a furniture manufacturer back in the 70's and seeing what Keating, and Shorten done to out manufacturing back then was a disaster. We lost our Holden cars and all Auto manufacturing then, we lost all manufacturing including furniture then too. And the reason was the Unions wanting such high wages and import duties being reduced. We got back to having a surplus under Howard and then back to bad economic decisions after that and now have a large debt. When are people going to start thinking and voting for good business decisions and also think of the land, not the cities. Water will be scarce in years to come, people don't want to work for their pay anymore, and every time there is a disaster like fires and floods it is you and I who have to donate to help and NOT the politicians or their policies. Whether it is the LNP or Labor who wins, nothing will be fixed! I must support ONE NATION and INDEPENTANTS so there will be something in life for my grand children to live in this country for. I will put LABOR AND GREENS last
    Triss
    4th Jan 2019
    12:24pm
    A surplus under Howard, I seem to remember, was created by Howard selling off multi billions of our assets...and we rewarded him with a huge pension and perks for the rest of his life.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    12:46pm
    Voting One Nation is a joke, Pauline Hanson cannot even speak properly, she muddles herself up all the time and her policies are a joke, going back to the dark ages. Stick with the Independants that care about your local community if you must.
    Retired Knowall
    5th Jan 2019
    9:24am
    But she knows how to make great Fish & Chips.
    Young
    4th Jan 2019
    11:20am
    Don’t think Liberal party will ever get back in as schools are brainwashing students
    Many poorly trained low achievers are getting in to teaching and pushing their views down the throats of students with no debate on issues.
    Most of what is taught is biased towards left.
    Years ago you would not know the religion or political views of the teacher.
    Hawkeye
    4th Jan 2019
    1:16pm
    If you can, you do.
    If you can't, you teach.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    2:28pm
    If you can, you do,
    If you can't, you get a job as a manager of some sort.
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    3:46pm
    Codswallop,Hawkeye. I 'did', and taught in universities.
    Retired Knowall
    5th Jan 2019
    9:26am
    "Knows a Lot", now there is an oxymoron.
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    4:39pm
    " taught in universities", Knows-a-lot? That explains both your ego and your inability to comprehend and reason.
    Misty
    10th Jan 2019
    5:02pm
    Don't know what schools you are referring to Young but none of that nonsense is taught in the schools in our town.
    imac
    4th Jan 2019
    11:23am
    First thing the country needs is to get rid of preferential voting. 2nd introduce ATAC- anti treason and corruption to weed the scum out from all political persuasion and get people who will represent the people, not themselves. A big ask but something drastic needs to happen before this country becomes a 3rd world shithole.
    AutumnOz
    4th Jan 2019
    1:23pm
    imac why do you want to get rid of preferential voting?
    I would rather keep preferential voting which gives me the right to say where my preferences go.
    I also prefer to to keep compulsory voting, at least if you vote and your choice makes a balls up of the job you have the right to complain, if you have a choice as to whether you vote you may not make the effort and we could end up as a copycat UDA.
    Julian
    4th Jan 2019
    1:27pm
    Totally agreed with both ideas, you just need to add
    the abolition of political donations. Unfortunately, the sad state of affairs is that they're all consumed with power, self interest, and bent with corruption.
    The swamp needs draining.
    sanity
    4th Jan 2019
    11:28am
    Whilst the current Government has many difficulties to face - I think Shorten/Labour will set this country back 15-20 years. Our deficit may reach the $1 trillion mark by the closure of Labour in charge (at least 6 years - maybe 9). The recovery from this will be a sorry position for our under 20's to absorb.
    I have voted both ways in the past BUT I will NEVER vote for Shorten.
    Concerned
    4th Jan 2019
    11:45am
    Why? How?
    Rae
    4th Jan 2019
    11:58am
    If the LNP get back in we will still go down. It's all that private debt. Fun while it lasted but the hangover will be terrible.

    Blame the RBA and APRA who should know better and Governments don't control either one of them nor the banks lending willy nilly for speculation.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    12:48pm
    Sanity has lost your sanity.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    3:34pm
    You are right, Rae, sadly. But I still think Labor is by far the most dangerous option.

    Concerned - how? Let me give you just one example of Labor's folly. I know some here get tired of the franking credit discussion, but it's very relevant here.

    Labor says we can't afford cash franking credit refunds and it will save money by abolishing them. Let's see how that works in practice. Take 4 couples - Jones, Smith, Nirk, and Black.

    Let's say they all have $900,000 invested in shares earning 5% fully franked. Their return is $45,000 per annum. They get $19286 per annum in franking credits.

    Let's say Jones earns $250,000 a year. Under Labor, he still gets $19286 credits and the government gains NOTHING. Franking credits cost the gov $19286 and they will cost the same under Labor.

    Let's say Smith has $5 mil in super in pension phase. Under Labor, he still gets $19286 in credits and the government gains NOTHING. Franking credits cost the gov $19286 and they will cost the same under Labor.

    Let's say Black works and earns $60,000 a year. His total income is just on $80,000. His tax should be $17547, so the government has a small win of about $1740 dollars a year (barring any other rebates, concessions, etc) and a family struggling on a relatively small income loses $1740 a year while two wealthy families lose nothing. Franking credits cost the gov $19286 and under Labor will cost only $17547. Well done Labor!

    Now let's say Nirk is retired and has no other income. He loses the entire $19286 per year and his income is now just $25714 - nearly $10,000 less than the OAP with no concessions.
    Franking credits cost the gov $19286, and under Labor they will cost NIL. Great. $19286 saved. BUT, Nirk was saving the government about $50,000 a year by not claiming a pension. Now he's contributing a massive $69286 to the treasury annually.
    But Black and his wife are unhappy with a $19286 income cut though, so upgrade their home or take a world trip to spend down and go on the pension. With admin costs, part pension and concessions, the cost to the government comes to $20,000 per annum. Instead of paying indirect taxes of probably well over $4500 from their own reserves, the Nirks are now paying it from pension income. The treasury was getting about $25,000 a year benefit from the Nirks by them being self-funded. Now it is getting nothing and soon it will be paying out to them.

    The government has gained NOTHING. In fact, in a year or two, with pension increases, it will have lost substantially. It will be paying out far more than any gain. But it will successfully have reduced a self-funded retiree to a pensioner and caused a painful reduction in the income of a struggling family, while taking NOT ONE CENT from the wealthy.

    And ask how Labor will wreck the economy? That should tell you if you have even a modicum of intelligence.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    3:55pm
    Oh, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. With hundreds of thousands pulling investment out of Australian companies, business growth reduces, causing job loss and loss of income tax. Spending reduces because of battlers losing income, so indirect tax revenue reduces and spending reductions flow on to business loss, job loss and less income tax revenue. More money goes overseas. Some investors take bigger risks to make up losses and lose so have to resort to pensions and possibly even rent assistance in some cases, if the losses are large.
    Sundays
    5th Jan 2019
    12:18pm
    I don’t hundreds of thousands pulling investments out of Australian companies. Why would they have $900,000 all invested in fully franked shares? Is that their only investment? The key rule to investing is diversification. Now if their not financially literate the $900,000 could be in an industry super fund, balanced option paying more than the 5% they are drawing down each year once retired. The fund likely invests in Australian Shares, but individuals aren’t affected by Franking Credits. Now if they’re smart they reduce the $900,000 a little to below the Asset threshold, have a holiday, upgrade furnishings etc. Then they can get a small part pension and a concession card.
    Sundays
    5th Jan 2019
    12:22pm
    Correction. I don’t believe hundreds of thousands will be pulling investments out of Australian companies. Fact check please
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    10:36pm
    It never ceases to astonish me how self-serving Labor voters are and how unconcerned with the well-being of the nation. Of course they can upgrade their home and furnishings or take a trip and start drawing a part pension - and increase the burden on taxpayers. And anyone who supports the ALP's quest to force more onto pensions obviously has no care for the needy who will suffer when the pension become unaffordable because the incentive to do that is so strong that SFRs become almost a thing of the past.

    We DO NOT WANT MORE PEOPLE ON PENSIONS. We want more people self-funding and investing to drive growth and jobs. The ALP will demolish the economy with it's stupid attitude of destroying the value of work and saving.
    Sundays
    5th Jan 2019
    11:47pm
    So, you support the Liberals reducing part pensions for 300,000 retirees
    Anonymous
    6th Jan 2019
    9:44pm
    No, I don't. Because that created an incentive for more to reduce savings and resort to pensions by making it less beneficial to be self-funded. I support a pension system that ensures there are generous rewards for working and being responsible so that overall affluence increases and there is less need for welfare over time. We need to allow people to become self-sufficient - but not by bullying them or punishing them for getting part way there. Rather by encouraging and rewarding them and ensuring that they have a leg up when needed. Many who were kicked off the part pension could potentially have become self-supporting over time - or left an inheritance that made the next generation self-supporting. But bashing them merely sent a message to everyone that striving doesn't pay.
    Anonymous
    7th Jan 2019
    6:19am
    I don't think there should be an assets test for pensions at all. It's an entirely fake assessment that has nothing to do with reality. Incomes from assets vary dramatically and we should not be penalising people for being educationally disadvantaged and unable to achieve a good income. Assess deemed income if we must - though I think a universal pension and balancing via tax would be much more efficient. But the assets test merely encourages manipulation and overspending. It's idiotic. It doesn't even take age into account. How can anyone with a brain think a 95-year-old couple with $800,000 needs a pension and a 65-year-old couple with $850,000 does not! And now Labor has decided the 65-year-old couple doesn't need income either, unless they are financial gurus and know how to rort the system.
    Kathie
    4th Jan 2019
    11:55am
    Nearly fell over when I read the current results - amazing that anyone could actually feel confident about the current government - LNP are in chaos whereas Labor are in complete cohesion - no question who has the most to offer ordinary Australians.
    SFR
    4th Jan 2019
    12:01pm
    I would vote CPA before LNP or ALP
    Concerned
    4th Jan 2019
    12:14pm
    Me to Kathy. Thanks for saying so
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    12:49pm
    I would not worry about this poll, it is full of old and stuck in their way voters, the young people and ordinary workers who are too busy to do polls will vote otherwise.
    Misty
    10th Jan 2019
    8:47pm
    Yes musicveg and the younger voters are more interested in a socialist type govt, concerned about Climate Change and the environment, next election will be an interesting one.
    Old Man
    4th Jan 2019
    11:56am
    It matters little which box one ticks, it will still be a politician that will win the seat. The only time any politician wants to know what you and I think is in the run-up to an election and the reason they want to know is to formulate polices that will please the voters. Policies that will either be ignored or placed so far back that the average voter will forget what was promised.

    My only concern is about the lies and devious tactics used by some to try and fool the public. These should be called out and there should be legislation in place to prosecute and punish those trying to wrongly influence an election. But wait, who will be forming the legislation? Why, the same politicians who condone the dirty tactics. I won't stand on one leg waiting for any changes.
    Rae
    4th Jan 2019
    12:03pm
    Does that include the likes of Abbott who lied about Pension changes to get elected and then betrayed hundreds of thousands of hard working and saving Australians?
    Old Man
    4th Jan 2019
    12:26pm
    Gee Rae, my post was meant to be generic but you can name Abbott and others can name Gillard about her; "There will never be a carbon tax under a government I lead!" statement. I'm sure there will be those who will take sides and give examples but if we assume that the last honest politician was the late Ted Mack then perhaps we can just lump all of the others in the liar's basket, regardless of political persuasion.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    12:53pm
    So true Old Man, the spin doctors have a field day coming up to the elections, and with their social media influences as well. No wonder people are confused, they vote and then find out what they voted for is not implemented, left wondering what is going on. We are being told numerous lies after lies, and yet no one really hears about the back door dealings going on all the time, all hush hush, lets not tell anyone the real truth, tell them what they want to hear.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    2:32pm
    S'all about core and non-core promises, innit?

    I promise two lobsters in every pot, totally free education for all, massive input into the healthcare system, and free everything for everybody! Vote 1 - Trebor For Lifetime President!!

    What do you mean those promises can't be kept? Oh - they're non-core ones anyway.. easily disposed of.....
    Rae
    4th Jan 2019
    5:30pm
    Sorry Trebor but I'm pretty sure all the good sea food is now headed for the thousands of millionaires in China now we handed all our manufacturing over and a lot of everything else as well.
    SFR
    4th Jan 2019
    11:58am
    vote Green or independant. DO NOT vote for the LNP or ALP, send a clear message that the Australian people want the 2 party system gone
    Blue Trumpy
    4th Jan 2019
    11:58am
    If you think ScoMo and his mates are doing a bad job - you aint seen nothin' yet. Wait till slippery Bill gets the job - it will be a disaster for Australia.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    12:54pm
    At least Bill doesn't go around wearing a baseball cap and pretending he is Trumps mate.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    3:39pm
    No he just formulates idiotic and harmful policy based on data that has been outdated for 3 yearsl
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    3:51pm
    Bollocks, OGR. You're just whining about franking credits and not seeing the bigger picture - blinded completely by self-interest.
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    4:32pm
    No, Knows-a-lot. Not self-interest - because I'll be fine with my healthy savings and nice home. It's those with little or nothing who will suffer, but THEIR self-interest and envy is blinding them
    Triss
    4th Jan 2019
    11:59am
    I reckon it’s the career politicians who are our downfall, 2 x 3 year terms or 1 x 4 year term and then out...no salary raises during that time and no tax payer perks when they leave.
    Flummoxed
    4th Jan 2019
    12:00pm
    As disillusioned as I am with both major parties, I go to bed every night thankful that, in this country, we don't have a Republican Party and the petulant little grub who leads them.
    Old Man
    4th Jan 2019
    12:38pm
    Your lack of knowledge about American politics could get you labelled as a misogynist, Flummoxed. Ms Ronna McDaniel is the leader of the Republican Party and you may be the first person to refer to her as a "petulant little grub".
    Flummoxed
    4th Jan 2019
    12:48pm
    You know what and who I meant.
    Old Man
    4th Jan 2019
    12:53pm
    I'm not a mind reader Flummoxed, I can only read what is written.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    2:35pm
    Pedantophile!! Jeez - that sounds bad....

    "and furthermore, it is a well know fact that my opponent in this election practised pedantry and philately with his own children! And that he regularly beats his wife at getting the garbage out and dish washing while she still works and cooks the dinners!!!! And the irony of his clothing is that he does it himself!!!!"
    rtrish
    4th Jan 2019
    12:03pm
    Shorten is all right but he has no "oomph." Albanese was always the better choice. Give him a go.
    Arisaid
    4th Jan 2019
    2:01pm
    Agree
    Misty
    10th Jan 2019
    5:08pm
    Never in a million years, I like Albo but he is not PM material.
    Strummer
    4th Jan 2019
    12:03pm
    Safe seats are a major problem in our electoral system. People who vote for the same party regardless of the quality of the candidate are a prime reason we get such dud representation.
    Vote according to the quality of the person, not the colour of his tie.
    Old Man
    4th Jan 2019
    12:33pm
    If only that were possible, Strummer. We live in a safe seat which means that neither party wants to spend any more than they have to as it won't change the voting pattern. It has been said that about 40% of seats are Labor, 40% of seats are Coalition and 20% are swinging seats. You don't need to be a Rhodes scholar to work out where all the money is spent.
    maggie
    4th Jan 2019
    12:08pm
    Which ever party governs they need to concentrate more on key issues rather than spending time looking for skeletons in each other’s closet. Remember you work for the Australian people and therefore are accountable to the Australian people, and we will be the ones holding you to account
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    12:56pm
    Finally a sensible comment. I am sick of each party blaming the other all the time, just get on with doing a good job for all Australians, not just big business.
    SFR
    4th Jan 2019
    12:09pm
    Put the LNP last, ALP 2nd last then number the rest. Get rid of this 2 party politics that are not run for the interests of Australia. LNP & ALP candidates cannot & will not vote against party lines that are controlled from boardrooms etc. We need politicians that don't tow any party line, that can debate & introduce policies like grown men & women & not like some school yard bullies that is the present case.
    Hawkeye
    4th Jan 2019
    1:35pm
    The way I vote is to grab the "How-to-Vote" card from the party I least want to run the place (yes, I am a swinging voter, not a rusted-on) and I vote in the reverse order to what they want.
    It's really funny when the idiot who handed me the card on my way in thanks me so much on my way out.
    darcy
    4th Jan 2019
    6:23pm
    Hawkeye, best suggestion yet. Thanks.
    Chris_58
    4th Jan 2019
    12:10pm
    Those people who STILL put a vote on Liberals - are they fricken MAD? Bloody Nora - wake up people. If you are whinging about the government you only have yourselves to blame. Unbelievable. Conservaties at least, is one good party to give your vote to.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    12:58pm
    Conservaties want to go backwards in time, not progressive at all.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:54pm
    Conservatives will take us backwards - but maybe back to prosperity of the 60s when Libs had been in power for a long time. Labor, on the other hand, will destroy us all.
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    3:55pm
    "Labor, on the other hand, will destroy us all."

    Bullshit, OGR. The ALP gave us Medicare, the NDIS and countless other positive things. The LNP give us NOTHING but bigger debt.
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    4:43pm
    Not today's Shorten Labor, Knows-a-lot. That was the Labor of the past, and I supported it. Today's ALP has a very different - and very dangerous agenda. And the LNP have done a lot of Australia. They gave us a very prosperous nation in the 60s and a huge surplus under Howard. But today's LNP is not the LNP we had then either. That's the problem. Both parties have lost their way, and both are now pursuing the same very dangerous and damaging agenda. We MUST get independents dominating. It's our only hope.

    4th Jan 2019
    12:11pm
    We don't have much choice both parties are useless
    If labour gets in it will affect me the most because I have a small. Share portfolio and the franking credits give me a little better income than the pension.if he was to put a limit on franking credits say $20000 before he takes them away then I might agree with Billy Boy.The other things I don't like about labour they are run by the unions.the unions are extremely corrupt and I know because I was in the building industry for 30 years.the other thing he wants to bring in more people when we can't look after the ones we have once again I know because I have been waiting 2years to see a specialist at the hospital clinic still waiting So people please think how you will be affected if you vote labour
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    1:01pm
    You have been waiting 2 years because Liberals cut hospital funding, and Liberals also want to increase immigration, check out Sustainable australia party.
    Old Man
    4th Jan 2019
    1:56pm
    No, musicveg, there has been no cut to hospital funding, that is another Labor lie. Labor made unfunded statements beyond the forward estimates and is using those figures to make their erroneous claims.
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    3:56pm
    In real terms, hospital funding HAS been cut.
    Anonymous
    6th Jan 2019
    10:31am
    Yesterday, my partner needed urgent attention at one of the most critically inadequate hospitals in the country - one that is said to be at desperate crisis stage, and due to be replaced with a new one many times its size very soon. The care was first class in every way. Three visits to ER, then admission and surgery and the efficiency was impressive, the care wonderful, and the technology outstanding. If funding has been cut, it sure hasn't done any harm. Maybe it just reduced waste.
    Caky
    4th Jan 2019
    12:21pm
    I am sick to death of reading about any party they are all in it for whatever they can get for themselves at the end of their time. They should just live on the money they are being paid and their Super which would be more than any of us get. To watch them TV arguing is a joke why display them? As for the Fireworks in each State New Years Eve what a waste of Taxpayers money there certainly is more each State could put that money towards!!!!
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    12:29pm
    I think Labor will win this race to the bottom, mainly on the basis of the very poor showing by the LNP of their 'economic' abilities, not least of which is the way they've handled retirees and the unemployed.
    Then there is the reality that under the LNP immigration has risen and risen (like Topsy it just growed and growed), which does nothing to alleviate the concerns of Australians over the future for this nation, job security, and costs of living. Costs of living are blown way out of proportion by the false economy of house pyramiding, and the 'need' to support this 'economy' by endlessly procuring more and more (suckers) clients for purchase and rental.

    I've long said that Lifeboat Australia already has its capacity of potential survivors - the country is full enough already - and that spreading the sewerage of the Third World over all of the planet will not do one thing for anybody except the self-appointed 'ruling class' who exploit those things for profit first and foremost. Even animals in captivity place their excrement in a specified area - they do not spread it over the whole pen.

    We need a government that will look to OUR future - we cannot save the world from itself, and the best option for the hell-holes is to leave them be... Black Hawk Down should not be allowed to become Black Hawks Down Under, and stricter rules on citizenship need to come in. The beginning with Neil Prakash is perhaps the one thing that might save Dutton, and I think Big Toe Of The Northern Beaches has been shown publicly for the utter fool he is, with his silly adherence to dead-end philosophies such as Thatcherism and Reaganism, and his dedication to parasitic and robber baron business.

    Take Back The Asylum.. then Lock the Gates!
    Old Man
    4th Jan 2019
    12:46pm
    Guess what Bob, regardless of who posts what over the rest of 2019, you win the Rose Coloured Glasses award. Governments look to THEIR future and we can all collectively get stuffed. Governments will do for Australia what will get votes, not what is good for OUR future. We can have a philosophical debate about which one is better when what we will be debating is which one is least worse.

    Australia needs dams, coal fired power stations, nuclear energy, out of the Paris agreement and a huge reduction in immigration but that won't happen because the vocal minority and the supportive media will cause votes to be lost. On the bright side................sorry, Bob, I can't find one.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    2:40pm
    Actually I thought my comments were through a glass rather darkly.... nothing I say there is in support of Labor who are equally of no real value to this nation and people .... I just said they'd likely win on the poor performance of the rest....

    Read all my posts - I lambast Labor more than the LNP directly .... the only real hope lies with Trebor For President!!! Two lobsters in every pot... where IS David, BTW?
    Old Man
    4th Jan 2019
    3:28pm
    Sorry Bob, my post was about your optimism about what a government should do, not about all of your post.
    Concerned
    4th Jan 2019
    12:45pm
    Have to say this is not a good poll. It can be re answered a number of times. So it is influenced by anyone who does so. And if -as anyone who is reading alternative media knows- there are trolls being paid by the LNP with taxpayers money to spread incorrect ideas around then they could be doing multiple answers. So I am afraid it is not really proving or providing any real opinion. And for those that say Labor will be doing this well I think they are too busy trying to keep things on some kind of an even keel while the LNP is not even attempting to govern anymore.
    Old Man
    4th Jan 2019
    12:51pm
    Your politics are showing, Concerned. You have no proof that anyone is being paid to be trolls and you have patently ignored the number of Labor trolls who frequent this site.
    Dave R
    4th Jan 2019
    1:07pm
    This poll is meaningless as you can vote as many times as you like.
    The only reasonably accurate polls are the ones done by major polling companies.
    The Liberals will lose the next federal election probably in a landslide.
    Labor will form government but may only have a small majority with a lot of Independents taking seats from the LNP.
    And minor parties will hold the balance of power in the Senate.
    Old Man
    4th Jan 2019
    2:04pm
    You may be right, Dave R, about the polls but I disagree. To know what the answers show, one needs to know what the questions are and who was polled and we are never privy to this information. I've attached a link to show how polls may be rigged and I invite you to watch it.

    https://youtu.be/G0ZZJXw4MTA
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    2:43pm
    Now, now - everybody - there's no proof that anyone is a paid troll from either side... some actually swallow whole the guff that 'their' party puts out..... same as Shorten puts about that he actually believes all this 'poor women' nonsense...anything for a shot at the top spot... and Shorten is THE ultimate opportunist.... frankly I'd say he actually believes deeply in nothing but is a tool for his party, a party currently swamped by 'feminists' and their running dogs.

    Nobody could seriously believe all that rubbish about women and wage gaps and super gaps..... not if they had any simple mathematical skills...
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    1:05pm
    This poll really means nothing, because hard working Australians who are too busy working to vote on polls will vote otherwise, so will the younger generation who are concerned about their future not their fracking credits, pensions or investments.
    Dave R
    4th Jan 2019
    1:13pm
    I agree, and those who are concerned about franking credits would nearly all be died in the wool Liberal voters anyway.

    Non-taxpayers getting a tax refund is ridiculous and unsustainable but the Liberals like it because it's their kind of welfare.

    Howard started this largesse which no sensible government would have entertained.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:51pm
    Anyone not concerned about franking credits is very foolish and SHOULD be very worried, because it's those who are not directly affected who will hurt worst and longest when the value of investing in jobs and business growth is wiped out and millions more retire on pensions.

    Non-taxpayers DO NOT GET A REFUND, Dave R. That's a huge lie Shorten is telling to gullible fools who have no understanding of the system You cannot get a franking credit refund if the dividend was not taxed. It's NOT POSSIBLE. Why should someone with no taxable income - and often an income less than the OAP - be taxed at 30% while others with much higher incomes pay nothing? Can you answer that? And BTW. How is a couple who saves the taxpayer $50K a year by being self-supporting and pays indirect tax out of their own savings rather than out of money the government gives them classed as 'not paying tax'.

    Here's a comparison for you. The guy with $180,000 a year income should pay $54.097 in tax, but if $126000 of that is from dividends, he pays NOTHING.
    The guy with $4 million in a super pension fund invested in shares at 5% return earns $200,000 a year and should pay tax at 15% on $120,000 of that income, but if he has significant share investments with franking credits, he pays NOTHING.
    The couple with $900,000 invested at 5% earn just $45,000 - probably much less when costs are taken out and your reduce the investment by the amount they have in personal assets and cash reserves. They will lose up to $15,000 a year, making them worse off than a pensioner couple.

    Shorten is not taking one single cent from the two rich fellows, but he's wiping out the self-funded retiree couple who have saved for a lifetime and are contributing to the budget by not drawing a pension.

    Keep supporting stupidity and unfairness. Don't bother to consider the facts. You might actually realise how dangerous Labor is. And no, those impacted are not died in the wool Liberal voters. Hundreds of thousands intended to vote Labor but will not unless this policy is changed.

    Howard was referring to the pre-2014-5 policy. IT HAS BEEN CHANGED. But the change addressed the wealthy claiming unfairly. Labor is taxing people who are too poor to pay tax and leaving the well off alone.
    Rae
    4th Jan 2019
    3:38pm
    Rainey. You can add a younger person to your SMSF and they can use the credits to off set taxes. Another option is to sell Australian shares and buy blue chip New Zealand shares as the credits are paid in cash not franked.
    You can also move into cash dividends that don't frank.

    I invest for capital gain in indexes and that can work well too.

    Damn the banks. But don't leave it too late to get expert advice.

    Adding a disabled grandchild to your household as a dependent may be a great idea as well.

    Time to look out for your own. When the consequences hit it will be those whose pensions are cut who will suffer most.

    People will be silly to do nothing and just cope the loss when there are options.

    If it creates issues for Australian companies and the ASX that's just tough.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    3:45pm
    That's precisely my point, Rae. Those who9 are impacted directly DO have options to protect themselves. At worst, they have savings to fall back on. It's those who have little or nothing who will hurt when the economic impact of Shorten's bad policies is felt. It WILL create issues for Australian companies and the ASX - reducing tax revenue and jobs. It WILL push more onto pensions, increasing the pressure on the budget.

    The problem we have is that self-interest is driving behaviour that is bad for the nation, and sadly those who benefit most are selling their preferred policies to the gullible with lies, misleading the ill-informed to think the policies are going to be of benefit when in fact they are going to be seriously harmful - and always those with the least get hurt worst.

    I wish I understood investment for capital gain. I might have to learn.
    Rae
    4th Jan 2019
    6:30pm
    Borrow Benjamin Grahams text on value investing. Also Buffett and Bogle. There are cheap options to investing in markets. You need to be able to sell when fundamentals get too high and buy when they get too low and learn when to take profits off the table into cash.

    Indexes and foreign shares can allow for diversity into overseas companies and bonds at reasonable cost in small amounts of savings using currency changes to boost returns.
    They can be priced using fundamental values too.

    You're smart. Just read a few books and find a trustworthy independent fee for service accountant/advisor.

    Savers will almost always do better over time than those who choose to spend everything and lurch from crisis to crisis without funds to fix anything.

    Yes there are disabled and ill and a civilised society cares for those. Even medieval society was able to do so using alms and religious duty. I'm doubting we are still civilised with what I'm seeing going down.

    We are short hundreds of schools and dozens of hospitals with extra millions of population and over 300 000 babies for each year. The States are already in strife, either indebted and revenue poor now from privatisation which is a fascist economic policy embraced by both major parties.

    The planet is over populated and under resourced. Huge continents like Africa and South America can't feed themselves. Goddess help us if the global crops fail ever.

    The RBA and APRA is now encouraging the banks to lend to speculators with a bail in likely to take everyone's hard earned in a banking crisis.

    Looking out for yourself and those around you seems to be a sane thing when self interest is everywhere. We'll be needed to man the soup kitchens if the consequences of a mad debt binge end up as usual.

    I doubt it matters who wins Government in Australia. Look out for your own and enjoy every day as well as you can. We are in for a rough ride unless a miracle occurs in my opinion and based on historical consequences of prior debt binges and asset hyperinflation.
    Blinky
    4th Jan 2019
    1:13pm
    Labor is married to the unions, Shorten even talks like a union shop steward, they will open the gates to immigration, and this will increase the risk of terrorism, which is happening now in Europe.
    The LIBS have a better handle on the economy and on border protection. They are not perfect, but are the lesser of two evils. Ahhh. And they are not in bed with the unions!!!!
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    1:16pm
    Wrong, Liberals are more interested in increased immigration because they say it is good for business and economic growth. Why did they not lower the legal immigration rate? Sustainable Australia Party is the only party talking about doing that. Libs are married to big business.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    2:47pm
    Under the LNP immigration is higher than ever.... and not always of the highest quality... we need a new Snowy Scheme where new immigrants can prove their mettle and work for their citizenship... I came here from down there, and there was a local lady doctor whose parents arrived here from Poland (I think) and worked on the Snowy - working never hurt her chances..... sitting around and filing the Centrelink office at Fairfield most certainly will.
    Blinky
    4th Jan 2019
    1:21pm
    Labor is run by the unions, Shorten even talks like a shop steward, not like a PM. Labor will open the gates to immigration while in Europe, they are closing those gates in an attempt to curb terrorism.They usually waste money and end up with a big debt.
    The Libs, on the contrary, have a better handle on the economy, migration and homeland security. They are not perfect, but are definitely the lesser of two evils. God save us from a Labor government!
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    1:56pm
    You just repeated yourself, God won't help, Labor will be the better of the two evils, but why not vote for a minor party just to make things interesting. If Libs wanted to curb immigration then why did they not reduce it? Terrorism is not caused by immigration it is caused by division, which Libs like to do, spread fear instead of unity.
    solmon52
    4th Jan 2019
    1:22pm
    No point in commenting. If you care for the country leave in what is in. If you dont care vote greens and labour. If you care for our rivers and environment put indipendants in where greens and np have failed.
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    1:58pm
    That is a joke, Libs have only continued to reduce funding for the environment. They continue to allow tree clearing at a rate that is seeing millions of animals, birds and insects being killed and causing more drought by this clearing. They gave money to one organization who did not want the money to work on the Great Barrier Reef, instead of giving it to organizations that have experience and knowledge.
    darcy
    4th Jan 2019
    6:51pm
    Musicveg, full links for each accusation please. Otherwise...simply propaganda.
    Dianne
    4th Jan 2019
    1:31pm
    The LNP are in trouble but the thought of Labor getting elected is very scary after the debacle of their last attempt at governing the country. Much of the problem with the LNP is that they have not been able to implement policies that would have been advantageous for the majority of Australians - coal based power generation to enable lower power bills, measures to ensure security of our borders and prevent terrorism episodes, reduction in the level of immigration especially of unskilled workers measures, measures to reduce dependence on welfare and ensure that it goes to those who need it, improve provision of water to all of the country,
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    2:01pm
    I am looking forward to a Labor government, LNP have done nothing for me, but then I don't have investments and fracking credits to worry about. Only party who will reduce immigration is Sustainable Australia Party. And if LNP cared about water why are they allowing Adani to have unlimited water supply for free if their mine goes ahead?
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:26pm
    You SHOULD worry about franking credits, musicveg, because ultimately those who don't have investments will suffer most when investment is pushed offshore, shares lose value, investment returns fall, and millions more retirees claim the OAP because they can't live on the miniscule returns that are left after Labor demolishes the value of work and saving. It's not those with investments who will suffer most. They will suffer first - but the real pain will come later to those with the least.
    TREBOR
    4th Jan 2019
    3:26pm
    A correctly run tax system should mean zero change... so I'd be looking carefully at the ATO right now... and as you said above, Rainey - if someone is copping millions in franking returns and paying no tax, they need a full review and the rules most likely need a total overhaul.

    While ever politicians and their ilk benefit from these very things - they will never change.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    4:29pm
    That's the problem, Trebor. Everything they do is driven by self-interest rather than what is good for the nation. And unfortunately voters have become equally selfish. I can't believe the number who say ''it doesn't affect me so it doesn't matter'' about a policy, rather than examining objectively what effect the policy will have on the economy. And of course those who way ''it doesn't affect me'' don't have the sense to recognize that it affects EVERYONE, and those not directly affected will probably suffer most if it's a bad policy.

    The big problem is that neither major party is qualified to govern and it's hard to find a politician anywhere who is even remotely competent let alone committed to doing the job they are paid to do. And independents and minors can't get any traction. I looked at the Australian Moderates and they impress, but they are going nowhere. Clive Palmer raises suspicions, and doesn't seem to be getting much support - though at least he puts forward some new and innovative ideas rather than peddling the same old garbage.

    One thing that really irks me is recycling old failed policies. The Libs couldn't think past ''we used to reduce the pension by $3.00 per $1000 so let's go back to that''. No consideration for why it was changed, whether the change was an improvement, whether the current climate was right for reversal, whether there was a better NEW way. Now Labor is saying ''we used to not pay cash franking credits so let's go back to that''. No consideration of the benefits of the previous change, the potential unfairness or harm of going back, whether there is a better NEW way... Honestly, are we paying a king's ransom to brain-dead morons, that they can't come up with an original idea? What about we go back to White Australia and women staying at home and not having a vote? Or is it only in strictly economic policies that we have to go backwards and on social policies we can progress (if indeed some of the changes are progressive - which I dispute!)

    The other thing that irks me is the total arrogance. If I had ever thought Shorten was worthy of office, I certainly would have decided he wasn't when I heard him make that arrogant ''up hill and down dale'' statement. Anyone who won't listen to and consider issues carefully is not qualified for public office. I always thought Abbott and Hockey took the prize for arrogance, but Shorten stole it.
    Dianne
    4th Jan 2019
    1:34pm
    Concerned where were you during the Rudd/Gillard years? You must gave been on another planet. The waste that went on in those years and the massive increase in debt after inheriting.a surplus.
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    4:05pm
    Rudd saved us from the worst of the GFC. Where the hell were you? And there was a surplus inherited only because that rodent Howard privatized billions worth of public infrastructure. Wake up!
    Rae
    4th Jan 2019
    6:45pm
    Knows a lot. Australia was so very bloody lucky they had Swan in 2008. I saw the beginning in Athens in August 2007 and I saw the consequences in the US in 2009. Building our schools up with 300 000+ babies being born and countless immigration was a great idea for cash flow. That $900 saved the banks or at least two of them from insolvency together with US FED loans and IMF assistance. We were in the doo doo.

    We haven't got a Swan and nothing has changed except the global debt is now twice the size, the Central Banks are out of puff. Negative interest rates can't be had in cash economies either. And even if they give money away there is a limit to resources. So you just get higher and high prices.

    Even those pink batts helped hundreds of thousands save on heating and cooling costs.

    Perhaps if people realised exactly how awful and hard a full blown banking crisis is to deal with they wouldn't be so concerned with sovereign debt in a country that has never defaulted on loans and probably never will.

    The millions of ordinary people and businesses over indebted at the moment with debt on all manner of spending are a different kettle of fish though. They can easily lose everything if it goes pear shaped fast.
    Teddyboy.
    4th Jan 2019
    1:36pm
    Why do people stick to a party which has only one policy:- tax cuts.And we all know who they benefit.
    They totally reject the science of climate change and seem to be driven by religious fervour in a country that is quite clearly secular. Their attitude to women is obvious and while accusing the Labor party of being beholden to the trade unions their support of big business is clear.
    As Clive Palmer would say,"wake up Australia". But whatever you do don't vote for him. Or them.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:23pm
    Why do people support a party that has one objective - demolish the value of work and saving and investment and destroy our economy? Labor are not proposing to fix the massive inequity in taxation of super - only to wipe out the retirement of people who worked to not be a burden on taxpayers and are living on less than the OAP to save the government money. And when those folk are on the OAP instead of self-supporting, where will the money come from? This is Labor's way. Kill off incentive and reward. Hand out welfare until the country is bankrupt.
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    4:08pm
    Take your meds, OGR. You're deluded and monomaniacal. Give us all a break and stop droning on about super. There's a lot of other important issues, y'know.
    Anonymous
    7th Jan 2019
    8:44am
    Yes, like pensions and health and education - all of which will suffer when the economy is stuffed and there's no tax revenue because the value of work has been destroyed. Too many on pensions think we can continue to milk stones forever!
    Pamiea
    4th Jan 2019
    1:37pm
    Labor will get my vote. I dont support the Liberals who look after fat cats. R you.one of them? If not why do you vote for them??
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:18pm
    You support fat cats who look after fat cats and LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH to pretend otherwise? Are you not smart enough to see through the Labor myths and fairy tales, Pamiea? Labor will look after fat cats. They will just demolish workers and savers who are currently the backbone of the nation.
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    4:09pm
    Bullshit, OGR. Take your meds.
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    4:23pm
    Anyone who replies that way is clearly too dumb to know what day it is, Knows-Nothing.
    KSS
    4th Jan 2019
    1:41pm
    Oh wow! Can't imagine what this 'survey' is going to show!
    Dianne
    4th Jan 2019
    1:43pm
    Robbo I agree with everything you have stated. Heaven help us if Labor is elected. We need politicians who believe in the advancenent of our economy and will respond to the wishes of the majority of Australians not the fringe groups. Pauline Hansens party would be good as she responds to what Australians want..
    musicveg
    4th Jan 2019
    2:03pm
    Majority of Australians? Are you asking what the younger generation care about? PH is a big joke, she cannot even speak properly and wants to go backwards and create a divided society with fear and hatred.
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    4:10pm
    Dianne offers proof positive that Right-w(h)ingers really are not very bright...
    Mad as Hell
    4th Jan 2019
    1:46pm
    Tony Abbott lied when when on the eve of the 2013 elections he promised “ no cuts to pensions.” The 2017 changes to the Pensioner Assets Test is stolen assets from 330,000 pensioners. The LNP and Greens will never get my vote in any election.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:15pm
    And Labor is going to finish the job of demolishing those same people who were thrown off the pension. Now, as punishment for saving enough to be targeted by the LNP they are going to lose up to 30% of their income for life, and Labor is justifying the policy with huge lies and nonsense based on outdated data and a problem that no longer exists.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:15pm
    And Labor is going to finish the job of demolishing those same people who were thrown off the pension. Now, as punishment for saving enough to be targeted by the LNP they are going to lose up to 30% of their income for life, and Labor is justifying the policy with huge lies and nonsense based on outdated data and a problem that no longer exists.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    2:16pm
    And when Labor is done demolishing retirement for anyone who works and saves, how do we meet the cost of the OAP, with millions more claiming it. Cut it, no doubt! And good luck to the needy then.
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    4:12pm
    OGR must be a paid Lieberal troll.
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    4:35pm
    Knows-a-lot knows nothing, but is apparently a paid Labor troll.

    I don't even vote Liberal. And will NOT vote for the LNP this time either, Knows-a-lot. But unlike you I have the intelligence to see the extreme danger in Labor's bad policies. I think it's a shame they have formulated their bad policies and that Shorten is too arrogant to consider problems and revise, because personally I thought a Labor government in 2019 would be a good thing. But they blotted their copybook with stupidity and arrogance. And if you had a little more intelligence, you would understand just how much harm Labor threatens to the needy.
    GeorgeM
    4th Jan 2019
    6:09pm
    I agree, Mad as hell, Libs (and any Greens) MUST be voted out. However, Labor also REFUSED to reverse those Assets test changes. Labor increased the Pension Age to 67, and has previously also attacked Pensioners with introducing the Assets test, etc. No hope for Retirees with them either.

    So, my recommendation - Retirees must use their combined strength to vote OUT all 3 of these parties (select whoever else you prefer) by putting the current MP from these parties LAST in preferences.
    Mad as Hell
    4th Jan 2019
    9:02pm
    I email Bill Shorten on 10/5/2018 and posed the question ...

    “ If Labor is elected in 2019 will they reverse the changes to the Pensioner Assets Test?”

    Received an automated reply ...

    Thank you for taking the time to contact Bill Shorten.

    We appreciate your patience as we work through the large amount of correspondence Bill receives.

    Comments, suggestions and ideas will be carefully considered and we will make every effort to arrange a response where needed.

    Your email may be referred to Opposition MPs and Shadow Ministers for their consideration and response.

    Correspondence containing offensive or inappropriate content will not receive a response.“

    Still waiting for a reply.

    During the debate on the Pensioner Assets Test I recall Bill Shorten and Penny Wong arguing against the present changes. Looking back now I suspect these were only crocodiles tears.

    LNP, Greens, PHON definitely not.
    ALP maybe.
    Pensioner Independent definitely.

    Still swinging.

    What really gaules me is that a leader of a political party can get up on the eve of an election and promise “ no cuts to pensions “ and then break that promise.
    The same person crucified Julia Gillard over “ no carbon tax under a government I lead”

    Scott Morrison orchestrated these these changes.

    Hypocrites.
    GeorgeM
    4th Jan 2019
    9:51pm
    In your email, I presume you didn't include a threat from retirees to vote against Labor? Otherwise they would simply not bother to reply anyway, as they did already confirm before the 2016 election (both Bowen and Shorten) that they will NOT reverse the Assets Test changes.
    During the discussions in parliament about those changes, I clearly remember that Labor would not commit either way and sat on the fence till the Greens said they will support the changes (ensuring the changes will pass), and then Labor came out in opposition - not just hypocrites, but downright dishonest to ensure the records show they voted against it. But their subsequent confirmation before the 2016 election confirmed their true policies.

    I would not trust Labor an inch (or cm) - it is now their turn to hit Retirees over the head - being part of the same Liberal-Labor Tag team!
    Mad as Hell
    4th Jan 2019
    10:13pm
    Thanks GeorgeM

    Swinging towards Independent.
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    4:22pm
    Mad as hell, I wrote to Shorten regarding franking credits policy and pointing out the errors in his statement and the adverse impact on battlers, while the rich sacrifice nothing at all. His reply?

    "Well, it doesn't affect that many people.''

    Um.... Firstly, if it doesn't affect that many people, why do it? It obviously won't save any money at all! And secondly, why is it okay to persecute and be unfair to a minority of people? Isn't wrong or unfair equally unacceptable whether it affects 100 or 100,000 or 1 million? Oh, I get it! It's just about votes. It doesn't affect enough people to lose him the election so it doesn't matter how wrong, unfair or economically harmful it is, or even if it's entirely pointless and futile. All that matters is how many votes it might cost.
    Well, I hope he gets a nasty surprise. And I'll continue to try to educate the masses as to how harmful and wrong the policy is and what hurt it threatens to those who THINK it doesn't impact them.
    Sundays
    5th Jan 2019
    11:12pm
    The last person to educate the masses would be someone who has all their investments in Australian shares purely to get Franking Credits. And worse, believes hundreds, thousands or was it millions of others have done the same. If you’re that stupid you deserve to lose the lot. Don’t blame Shorten or his policies but your own ineptitude
    Anonymous
    6th Jan 2019
    8:34am
    I never said I had all my investments in Australian shares - much less that it was purely to get Franking Credits, Sundays. And I never suggested millions of other do either. I quoted examples of the impact of a bad policy designed by an inept politician who is relying on outdated data and lying about the effects.

    I'm sorry it offends you for me to disagree with your politics, Sundays, but I will continue to highlight the wrongs. A person doesn't have to have ALL their investments in Australians shares to suffer gross unfairness and serious financial disadvantage due to Shorten's treachery and lies. Even large superannuation funds have declared the average member will suffer. And the suggestions for getting around it merely imply retirees should rob younger members of funds of their proper entitlements. I'm not in the business of stealing from my children, anymore than I condone stealing from the public - which is what Shorten is doing.

    There is no such thing as a non-taxpayer claiming franking credit refunds. If the tax wasn't paid, nobody can claim it back. And if it WAS paid and I wasn't owed, the FIRST people to get it back should be those who rely on it for their livelihood - NOT those who have substantial other income either from wages, property, or a pension. SFRs contribute a massive amount to the Australian economy, and they deserve respect. To rob them while indulging others is economically harmful as well as disgustingly unfair and socially destructive.

    BTW. Millions of Australians don't even know what they are invested in. They rely on financial advisers and superannuation fund managers. And there is a reason why those professionals are protesting loudly against Shorten's treachery. They KNOW how many will be harmed by it. Vast numbers of their clients or members don't even realise they will be directly affected. And as always, it's the battlers and the less advantaged who will suffer most - from a party that LIES to claim it's focus is the ordinary Australian, while it over-indulges the wealthy and privileged and uses bribery to get win the support of the masses.
    Rae
    6th Jan 2019
    8:44am
    That's harsh Sundays. A lot of uninformed have bought bank shares for retirement income or property. Both are fraught with danger but it has been deliberate Government policy to encourage this through tax incentives for decades.

    Even ASX index funds have a banking excess trap as over 25% of the index is in financials. Much wealth is going to evaporate when the property market corrects. That's everyones Superannuation there. Another Government policy of forced investment.

    To suddenly decide to undo that willy nilly for just a small group while protecting certain groups from the changes is fascist policy 11 in my opinion. Just as "privatisation" was a nazi economic policy too. I wonder why and we should all question why?

    Destroying SMSFs to benefit Industry funds seems to be the only motivation. The consequences may very well blow up in their faces and lose a lot of people hard earned savings. Not caring about that is reckless.

    Exactly what did betraying the 330 000 self funded and 42 000 defined benefit pensioners achieve apart from stripping billions out of the real economy to give tax cuts to already extremely profitable businesses and those earning over $90 000 a yeas in salary?
    Anonymous
    6th Jan 2019
    10:23am
    Lots of people believe they are well diversified, but have no idea just how the franking credit policy change would affect them. Lots of managed funds will be impacted heavily. Many institutional super funds will suffer - despite a popular view that their members are safer. Nobody can really predict the overall economic consequences - and therefore the effect on the masses - but logic says it will be a disaster to take money out of Australian companies and slash the income of battlers who have limited resources.

    Sundays can likely afford to be arrogant, as it appears she/he might benefit from a guaranteed government pension. Lucky! But it's sad that those who don't see themselves suffering significant hurt can be so selfish as to condone unfairness. We SHOULD all be joining forces to demand that the ALP withdraw from unfairness. Successive governments (starting with Labor) have sadly created a social divide among retirees for their own gain, and it's disappointing that we allow them to use it to perpetrate unfairness and cruelty.

    Government policy should NEVER REQUIRE a person to be an investment whiz or a financial guru to live off their investments in retirement if they have saved well. Our society denies pension income to those who save, so they should support them in EVERY OTHER WAY. It is disgustingly bigoted and unfair to do otherwise - as well as being economically harmful.

    Thank you, Rae, for your rational and objective comment. Those commenting here would do well to pay attention to your common sense and politically unbiased perspective.
    Sundays
    6th Jan 2019
    12:09pm
    My apologies Rae, you make perfect sense, and take a wholistic approach. I agree the worst policy was to make changes to asset test and deductibles for defined benefit pensioners. I’m just sick OGRs sweeping statements, language and Pensioner bashing. Not just on this site I’m afraid. Personally, I think it’s a poor policy but there are other important issues which will decide how people vote. We live in a democracy and we weigh up our options. I’m accused of being arrogant because it ‘appears I might benefit from a guaranteed Govt pension’. Why? Because I worked for a brief time in the Public Service? Bingo, yes $6,000 per year, not $60,000. The rest of my income comes from working full time since the age of 16, putting myself through Uni in my 30s while continuing to work and look after a family. Then, becoming qualified eneough to spend the next 25 years on a good income which now serves me well in retirement. Changes to government policies have and will continue to affect me and everyone else in the future, no matter which party is in Government.
    Mad as Hell
    6th Jan 2019
    1:38pm
    Agree with you OGR if it’s wrong for one it’s wrong for all.

    330,000 were wronged with the changes to the Pensioner Assets Test, over the next 5 years
    1,600,000 people are expected to retire, I expect the majority of these will also be wronged and I hope they become informed and vote accordingly.
    Anonymous
    7th Jan 2019
    6:46am
    I do not 'pensioner bash', Sundays. I object to policies that drive manipulation and make pensioners an elite class while people who worked hard and saved are penalised unfairly, and I object to those pensioners who refuse to acknowledge unfairness but are consumed with envy and want to see self-funded retirees hurt. I believe in looking after those who cannot care for themselves - AND THAT INCLUDES SFRs who can't generate adequate income or don't know their way around the world of investments. Just because they are not financial gurus does not excuse making them hand all their savings to the taxpayer and depriving them of every shred of benefit they SHOULD gain from their efforts.

    And I'm sick of your language as well and your constantly falsely accusing me of 'pensioner bashing' when I have in fact defended honest battlers aggressively. The system is wrong, but that doesn't make it okay to gloat (as BigBear does) about manipulating to take from the public purse despite being a multi-millionaire. And it doesn't make it okay to attack self-funded retirees or so support an unfair attack on them on the basis that ''nobody I know has that sort of money'' or ''I don't own shares so I don't care'' or "you made choices'' (yes, the choices government URGED everyone to make and that SHOULD be rewarded - not punished).

    I have noted facts and figures that evidence that Labor is WRONG, and it seems to me that you just can't tolerate anyone criticizing the political party you choose to support.

    Good for you being able to put yourself through uni and spend 25 years on a good income. You were very fortunate to be ABLE to do that. I didn't have a hope in hell and neither did my partner, so we struggled on very low incomes for almost every day of our lives, and very fought hard for every cent we have. Most pensioners enjoyed far more income and opportunity than we ever dreamed about, and most pensioners COULD be self-funded if they had lived a little more frugally. That's not pensioner bashing. That's just acknowledging fact. They chose their lifestyle, and they had every right to do so. And the system promised them support in old age if they made the choice to spend more freely. But they should NOT now be demanding favouritism and accepting that others who struggled just as hard or harder but made different lifestyle choices should suffer for it. Decent people stand for fairness for all, and I have no time for anyone who does not. Whether they are a pensioner or not is totally irrelevant. And Shorten's MOST unfair decision was to exempt pensioners from his evil policy, because most pensioners who own shares are far better off than SFRs with limited assets, and pensioners are already getting a huge benefit whereas SFRs get none.

    Yes, Mad as Hell. We need to focus on those 1,600,000 and counter the lies the Grattan Institute and other retiree-bashing groups tell. Make them understand that it's THEIR FUTURE at stake, and stealing from today's retirees will make them poorer. 330,000 were wronged. And now 660,000 are going to be seriously wronged and many of them are the same people as were wronged before. And the result will be that self-funded retirement is next to impossible, and then there will be more pension reductions because the super tax system is so unfair and the pension system is so flawed that the government won't be able to afford the pensions it is currently paying.

    The focus should be on fixing the superannuation tax system and making pensions universal. It is just plain common sense. Giving 30% tax reduction to the well off and nothing to the low income earners can NEVER result in a healthy retirement funding system. The LNP made a token move by introducing the Transfer Balance Cap, but it is really a sick joke as it is so ineffective and complicated. Simply make the tax concession on accumulation phase super 15% less than the member's tax rate and contribute to the fund where that results in a negative, then tax ALL retirement income. It's so simple if politicians STOP favouritism and unfairness and do what is good for all. Nobody should be endorsing an unfair attack on one group of people - no matter what their political persuasion.
    Old Geezer
    4th Jan 2019
    2:15pm
    Labor is going to get my vote LAST.

    If you think the economy will be better with Labor in power you have rocks in your head.

    Labor will make the coming recession a disaster. They stuffed up the GFC but thankfully they won't have any money to do it again.
    Placido1
    4th Jan 2019
    2:26pm
    The LNP caused recession?? the LNP has put Australia in the worst possible place to fight a recession...the LNP have massively increased Australia's debt THIS IS UNDENIABLE!
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    4:13pm
    Great paid trolling for your beloved Lieberal Party of scumbages, Geezer.
    GeorgeM
    4th Jan 2019
    6:11pm
    Yes, OG forgot that he doesn't vote - so the comment about is from a paid troll!
    Misty
    10th Jan 2019
    8:59pm
    Just what I expected you to say OG, I would have had a heart attack if you had said you were voting Labor.
    mr.auspicious
    4th Jan 2019
    2:29pm
    What a great topic for the silly season - no election date has been announced, yet the
    outcome is subject to intense speculation......

    Go to the bookmakers and you'll find the quote for Labor forming the next government to
    be approximately similar to the average winning odds quoted for Winx during its current
    sequence of 29 consecutive wins. However while Winx's form rates as exemplary, Labor's
    recent track record is not as impressive.

    By any objective criteria. the Rudd / Gillard / Rudd governments would rate " F " as in
    fiasco - a lamentable trifecta of delusion, incompetence and fiscal profligacy.

    Looking forward to more of the same ?? Take the short odds currently available but don't
    forget to vote responsibly.
    Circum
    4th Jan 2019
    8:01pm
    I assume vote responsibly means don't vote for labor,liberal or the greens.
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    10:31pm
    Correct, Circum.
    MarkAdel
    4th Jan 2019
    2:47pm
    I’d never vote for a party whose main purpose is to hug a tree. Independents are just black mailers that get preferential treatment for their electorate by voting for the party in power. It’s ok if it’s your electorate but disastrous for everyone else. If you want an influx of so called refugees then vote Labor. If you want debt, vote Labor. If you want unions running the country, vote Labor. Not for me.
    Fair minded
    4th Jan 2019
    2:51pm
    I’m not impressed by either party! Bob Hawke said that Bill Shorten will never set the world on fire but would have a good Cabinet? And a more moderate like Malcolm Turnbull was kicked out by his own party! So does our vote really count at all??
    Circum
    4th Jan 2019
    8:19pm
    Your vote does count but you are right in that the winner will interperet every vote as one of support when in reality it could mean the winner is the best pick of a poor bunch.Thats a good reason not to vote for the major parties.A protest vote is not a wasted vote.
    GeorgeM
    4th Jan 2019
    10:01pm
    Your vote does count - if every one who is disenchanted with these DUD parties vote AGAINST them, by putting the sitting MP from these major parties LAST in Preferences, I am sure a few will lose their seats with the strength of the Retirees votes. That will send a message, and also hopefully result in a hung parliament where some decent Independents (or any Retiree-supporting parties) may emerge to support Retirees.
    I believe in USA they have a Greypower party which is exercising some influence on results and acts as a lobby group for retirees, and we need some of that here. One election may not solve our problems, however we MUST make an effort to get a movement going.

    So, important for ALL to NOT give up and must vote AGAINST these non-performing, selfish leeches we have (called MPs) from the major parties.
    Knows-a-lot
    4th Jan 2019
    3:25pm
    The sooner the evil Lieberal-Hillbilly COALition are ousted, the better for Australia.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2019
    1:18pm
    Knows-a-lot, for someone who claims knowledge, your posts are notoriously unintelligent. You never say anything except to rubbish the Coalition, promote Labor, and denigrate anyone who you think disagrees with your politics. Not a single sensible comment on policy anywhere! And zero evidence of capacity to be objective and weigh points of view or pros and cons. I'm glad you never taught anyone I know, because you would be the absolute WORST kind of teacher.
    SFR
    8th Jan 2019
    3:31pm
    Knows-a-lot description of of LNP is spot on really even though the ALP aren't far behind. Better off ousting all sitting LNP & ALP members & replace them with Greens & independants
    Eliza
    4th Jan 2019
    3:29pm
    CONCERNED, I could not have said it better ... your comments on a number of posts are spot on ... PADDINGTON and one or two others also are more insightful than many.
    The bottom line is ... we have who we have ... and must make a well informed desision based on the information we have.
    Frankly, I am not encouraged by the direction of either of the major parties. Unfortunately the liberal party are a bunch of YESTERDAYS MEN who are filled with closed minded bigotry on so many levels ... bitter revengefulness is their agenda thus blinding them to any kind of rational thinking. The sense of entitlement, the rorting and obscene waste of billions of taxpayers dollars on flawed decisions is beyond reprehensible.

    Think carefully before you vote ...




    It was really refreshing and encouraging to see Karen Phelps focus on real issues and to get elected by a generally highly educated electorate.
    Bring on more good solid independents who are not bound and bullied by ‘party loyalty’ ... people who can concentrate on THE REAL NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE.
    Circum
    4th Jan 2019
    8:27pm
    Eliza you are correct but the other mob are up themselves as well.Might be an idea to slow down on the red wine..decision is spelt..well decision.
    Misty
    10th Jan 2019
    9:03pm
    You hit the nail on the head there with your comment Eiza, as long as the old dead wood hang around in the Coalition, settling old scores, fighting each other they will never win the next election.
    inextratime
    4th Jan 2019
    3:31pm
    How to win an election. Have compulsory voting. Increase the numbers in the public service to record levels. Pay them in excess of 15% superannuation compared with most non govt workers 9.5%. Sit back and get elected. Simple.
    Bikkies
    4th Jan 2019
    3:42pm
    I will never vote Liberal again. They have intentionally widened the class divide, put their own interests above those of the people they are supposed to serve, show ignorance of, and/or contempt of the issues that are of real importance to everyday Australians and put themselves above the law. When they are shown to be wrong they resort to abuse of, and disdain towards, the Opposition. They have no social conscience and deserve a really long time in the political wilderness to reflect upon their poor attitude and arrogance!
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    3:48pm
    So you will vote for a party that will make the class divide far worse by demolishing the middle and upper working class and destroying our tax base, increasing the numbers on welfare and reducing job growth, and wiping out the value of work, saving and investment - while of course protecting the rich (themselves and their mates)?

    I agree with you about the LNP, Bikkies, but the Opposition will do far more harm. The bottom line is there is no valid alternative, but hopefully we will have lots of independents to balance the extremes.
    Bikkies
    4th Jan 2019
    4:01pm
    By the way, OGR, which arm of the current Coalition government do you work for?
    Anonymous
    4th Jan 2019
    4:31pm
    I don't work for or support the Coalition, Bikkies. I don't vote LNP. If you read, you would know that. I said I agree with you about them - or did you ignore that bit? But I DO study policies and people and while I had intended to vote Labor, I have recognized how dangerous their policies are and how dangerous Bill Shorten is. And it's very worrying how the LNP has advanced Labor's popularity and how effectively Labor fools the masses with their lies.
    maggie
    4th Jan 2019
    4:18pm
    Pop up ad box in left hand corner is very annoying. Can you elongated so it appears along the bottom of the screen. Thanks.
    Blinky
    4th Jan 2019
    5:17pm
    How have they devastated the country Concerned? And how have they punished people?
    Waiting lists, the aged care system, and the economy will get a heck of lot worse if Labor open the gates to asylum seekers and other refugees who don't even speak English
    Who feel 'offended' by our culture and traditions, and who will cost our country millions of dollars in welfare payments, all paid by Aussie tax payers, thank you very much! Not to mention the risk of more radical muslims creeping in!!!
    Yes, the Libs need to address a few issues, but they offer a safer alternative.
    Charlie
    4th Jan 2019
    5:53pm
    Please no more of Labor and greens, they do nothing but think of new things they can falsely call human rights.

    We will have female politicians sitting in parliament breast feeding as if there was no alternative and Indigenous people getting stirred up damaging monuments and wanting the flag changed and Australia day changed.
    Transexuals trying to run pre schools to eliminate records of gender and fake refugees sucking money from our welfare system like they are in Europe. Rent a crowd, supporting any trendy idea so long as it changes something.

    We will have a divided country hung up on invented social issues, instead of tending to productivity
    GeorgeM
    4th Jan 2019
    10:08pm
    Interesting list of comments!

    For those who haven't realised, the Labor is now a mixture of right-wing policies from Liberals (helping tax rorters) combined with (a new push) a whole bunch of Green policies as you have listed. Dangerous lot! Not a true "Labour" party at all!
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    10:21pm
    Absolutely right, GeorgeM. The ALP is no longer the Labor Party of old, and nor is the LNP the conservative party it used to be. We MUST get rid of both.
    Old mate
    4th Jan 2019
    9:03pm
    I can't believe that so many people intend to vote for Labor! A Labor win will make today's ethnic problems seem tame.
    Circum
    4th Jan 2019
    11:09pm
    Rusted on labor supporters who know no better.Same applies to rusted on liberal supporters who know no better.Ideally they should be excluded from voting.But that wont happen as brainless people can vote.
    mogo51
    4th Jan 2019
    9:42pm
    Concerned, open the other eye, I am a disenchanted conservative voter, but I try and keep an balanced view. The problem with you view, is that you fail to understand that Labor cannot understand basic economics and worse kindergarten maths. History never lies.
    Anonymous
    6th Jan 2019
    9:47pm
    We don't even need to look at history, mogo51. We only need to look at the massive flaws in the policies they are taking to this election. They are a recipe for economic collapse.
    mogo51
    4th Jan 2019
    9:47pm
    I am interested to read the comments on this site. This clearly shows that both majors are 'persona non gratia' and will both see many voters desert them.
    I think a minority party will form Government, probably Labor only because Liberals just do not deserve to be there, in other words by default. Independents will hold the balance of power and lets hope they get some sanity back into Government.
    wendan31
    5th Jan 2019
    12:29am
    I cannot believe that anybody would ever vote for the greens, labor is bad enough, but the greens, totally senseless people and policies, alas with so many voters having their heads in the sand it will be the independants who will be the winners as the majority of their votes will go to labor and it will once again be labor or liberal running this country again, it will never change, certainly not in my lifetime, I feel sad for the children and grandchildren I will have left behind.
    SFR
    5th Jan 2019
    1:37am
    If I only have LNP, LPA, Greens on my ballot then Greens every time. The average Australian voter is to stupid, pathetic & inept to see past the 2 party system. Vote for anyone else but LNP or ALP as there are totally useless & show us that every time parliament sits with there bickering & carrying on like spoilt little brats instead of doing what they are paid to do & that's run the country for the benefit of the people.
    Even the CPA would get my vote before LNP, ALP
    Adrianus
    5th Jan 2019
    9:11am
    A vote for the Greens or Independents is a vote for the ALP. We will always have the 2 party system until we get rid of preference voting.
    The recent Victorian election should have made a thinking person alert to this fact.
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    10:19pm
    Preference voting would be fine if people stopped using how to vote cards and made their own selections. We have less than 5% 'leakage'' in Australia (that is, people voting according to their own preference rather than as instructed by their first choice of candidate). We need 100% leakage. We need people to wake up and stop playing the party game.
    Lookfar
    6th Jan 2019
    8:43am
    Wendan, the parties that won't do anything about Climate change will do by far the worst to your Grand children and even your children if they are young now.
    Whatever a party says about super or immigration or any such thing is just re-arranging the deck chairs, the Titanic will sink anyway, - now it looks like we have very little time left to steer away from that iceberg, it behooves anyone with sense and reason to shun all parties that don't intend to do anything about our emissions and our climate, a few more "promissed" jobs won't help us swim when the ship goes down.
    Oh and by the way, The Australian Energy Market Commimission, (AEMC, the energy advisor to the Aust. Govt. has recently announced that Electricity prices will be falling because of the large amounts of Renewable Energy Already coming into the Network this year, so electricity prices will fall unless the Liberals are elected who will then bankrupt the country building extremely expensive coal fired power stations and that cost will be passed on to all of us.
    Anonymous
    6th Jan 2019
    10:10am
    Electricity prices are falling because the public outcry was so strong that the government realised it HAD to act or lose the election. Everyone knew the providers were ripping off, but the government didn't care until the outcry got to a critical point. Libs won't push the cost of power up. And they won't bankrupt the country building coal-fired power stations. The cost of those isn't that high in relativity. Labor, on the other hand, will bankrupt the nation by making work and responsible living a punishable offence and welfare too comparatively attractive, and by re-directing investment out of Australian companies into foreign investment and property, reducing growth, jobs, spending and tax revenue.

    We are locked between the devil and the deep blue sea - choosing from two hideous evils and unable to decide which is worse. The Greens are downright toxic. I like their attitude to the environment - though they don't practice their stated beliefs - but their economic and social policies are an unmitigated disaster. And ultimately they are just another branch of Labor.

    I suspect it's not widely known that Labor supported the change to the assets test but wanted to appear opposed, so asked the Greens to create the appearance of a rift from the ALP on that issue and offer the support to get it through. Proof for any doubters - Shorten confirmed he will not even consider reversing it. And now he intends to demolish the incomes of those who were pushed off the pension by that change completely.

    Our only faint hope lies with having as many independents as possible.

    We need to abolish the two-party system, or at least adopt the British way of conscience voting, NOT voting on party lines.
    Adrianus
    6th Jan 2019
    10:13am
    Climate change has been a blessing for the "end of the world" God followers.
    Curious
    5th Jan 2019
    12:54am
    Having read all the comments herewith, I wonder whether the current political system has been broken, as we can't trust any of the existing political parties. Our country's competitive advantage has been eroded by the monster called globalisation. Our fruits of labour have been plundered by international conglomerates, which pay no taxes on their earnings out of our land. The transition from a Keynesian economics to an open global market has seen the exploitation of domestic labour force, leading to a low wage growth, poor consumption and lower standard of living.

    We need a government to establish a vision for our country and its standing within the Asian region, with a view to interacting with the powerful players in the world. Based on this vision, develop a strategic plan to implement the policies, embracing our political, economic, natural resources and technical-know-how advantages. Our distribution of wealth must be based on rewarding hard work with a fair-go taxation reform.

    This transition will take more than three years to fulfill. There is a need for a bipartisan approach. One political party can't do it alone. With the accumulation of billionaires and lack of limited resources in the world, a fair share of the world's resources needs a different order from the Keynesian theory of yesteryear. We better hurry up to fix this before the world is sweltering out off existence.
    Linda
    5th Jan 2019
    4:35am
    I do want Australia to have a sound, and sensible and effective set of policies around our emissions, and the costs of electricity. So far, the people who could do this have refused. We certainly need to treat people struggling re housing and jobs. If there ever was a hour for the greens it is now. It seems our current government has demonstrated they are ineffective and so busy with their personal ambitions to worry about running the country properly. Labor has developed some sound policies. We all need to understand enough of the detail of a given policy so we can make good voting decisions. Labor and the greens have been more specific.
    Adrianus
    5th Jan 2019
    9:16am
    Linda, have Labor been specific about the Greens policy on shutting down Coal Mining?
    No they have not.
    The CFMEU will support the LNP on mining jobs.
    It's time for Bill Shorten to stop being a windsock and tell us what he and his party stand for!
    johnyperth
    5th Jan 2019
    6:34am
    How can anybody in their mind can vote for this LNP?? It has trashed Australia and full with disunity! I'm a young 67 year old and I believe in progress nothing this LNP government believes in!! GO LABOR!! By the way I'm a Labor member and I'm two policy committees for the WA government.The LNP government doesn't allow it's members have a say regarding new policies!!
    Anonymous
    5th Jan 2019
    10:18pm
    Perhaps you should suggest to Labor that they fix up their mess and stop promoting policies that are economically destructive and extremely unfair. And stop telling gross lies. And stop justifying unfair and harmful policies by quoting outdated data from 3 years ago that has no relevance anymore. They are turning vast numbers off with their arrogance and deception and their unfair attack on honest, hard working retirees.
    ace
    5th Jan 2019
    10:52am
    never have I felt so hopeless with the liberals Just power drunk bullies , Abbot ,Dutton , Brandis & hasn't Morrison changed from the arrogant minister for boats ! gee now he's a nice Guy ! Right ! where did the smirk go ! He will be dropped after the election ! he was never meant to be other than a night watchman ! Bill I am sorry but I can't vote for you & yours too many fingers in the pie & factions ! plus your reps a bit tattered too ! pity I like Tania !
    I just hope a viable Independent runs in my electorate !one who champions Climate, Reasonable & fair welfare increases , & a more humane solution to illegal refuges !
    OJ21
    6th Jan 2019
    8:24am
    Labor may win and if they do it will be a minority government. Libs will vote against every bit of legislation Labor puts forward and make the labor term virtually useless. (Libs will make sure anything labor does wastes copious amounts of money). Then when the next election comes the liberals will highlight the ineffective labor term and make promises they never intend to keep. Its always been like this. If Rud had completed his term and all his legislation was passed we would have a world class NBN an effective emissions trading scheme with world leading alternative energy supplies, an effective immigration policy, a fair and equitable medicare and social security system, pensioners would not have been demonized, workers would not be loosing their rights and the debt would have not been any worse than the Liberals have left. Labor has done stupid things in the past and are no saints. They have over done their entitlements, sold of assets and reduced our trade protections, but at least they always kept a fair and equitable social catch net, looked after workers rights, maintained medicare (liberals WILL dismantle medicare and stop subsidized medicines). Who, in their right mind, would vote for a party that says that pensioners are a burden on society and that the pension is an entitlement, not a right. It's the pot calling the kettle black! Their already in the process of privatizing centerlink.
    Anonymous
    6th Jan 2019
    8:41am
    I wouldn't, OJ21, but who in their right mind would vote for a party that intends to wipe out any self-funded retiree who isn't wealthy and invests in the growth of Australian companies? Who in their right mind would vote for a party that will make investing in Australian companies the exclusive right of the wealthy, reducing business growth and jobs and pushing money into foreign investment markets or property?

    I agree with you about a lot of ALP achievements and ideals. But the ALP of the past is gone, sadly. This ALP is NOT the Labor Party of yesteryear. The LNP also delivered a lot of positive progress in past decades, and governed well. Australia in the 60s had a history of conservative domination and was very prosperous and happy. But we don't have that LNP anymore either. And that's the problem. NEITHER party is qualified to govern. Both now have the same evil agendas, with only minor variations. And both are influenced by the same dangerous lobby groups and advisers. Both are a danger.

    Bring on the independents. We MUST have a minority government, whichever party wins. It presents challenges and disadvantages, but it's far better than empowering either mob of corrupt incompetents to pursue their evil agendas.
    Adrianus
    6th Jan 2019
    9:42am
    It was revealed by his own party that Kevin Rudd did not have Labor values. I beg to differ. His wealth creation strategy was straight out of the communist handbook.
    In 1985 the Hawke Government introduced a capital gains tax on real estate. In 2018 the Shorten Labor party announced a policy to increase the capital gains tax should they be elected. This is just one of many new taxes designed to cripple Australia's economy. Shorten has a plan to attack small business and reduce incomes for middle Australia, in addition to "improving" "refugee" migration, as he did under Rudd, which means more deaths at sea.

    The last time Labor delivered a budget surplus was 1989. They will borrow heavily , and so it goes. But this time the mess will be too big to ever get cleaned up.

    I don't want to vote for LNP but I have no other choice I have children and grandchildren.
    Anonymous
    6th Jan 2019
    10:02am
    I heard a doctor who had contacts at high levels in the ALP say he was advising elderly patients to give their money away because the ALP is planning a 50% death tax. I hadn't heard that and can't verify it, but I wouldn't be surprised. Not that a death tax would necessarily be that bad - certainly nowhere near as bad as many other Shorten policies.

    I like some of the ideals the ALP stands for, and I don't think much of the current LNP at all, but I fear Labor due to the dishonesty and hypocrisy that is so evident in everything the current leaders say. And policies they claim will generate tax revenue are all targeted at destroying the value of work, saving and responsible living. Ultimately, that will result in social and economic disaster.
    Ardnaher
    6th Jan 2019
    6:49pm
    Kevin Rudd said he would stop the boats so why on earth would you believe Shorten on inheritance tax. Found this online a

    "Inheritance tax on list of union demands for Bill Shorten

    POWERFUL union leaders are calling for Bill Shorten to introduce a death tax in their latest demand ahead of the federal election.

    The call for a new tax on children who inherit cash and property when their parents die comes after the Australian Council of Trade Unions pressured Mr Shorten to announce he would stop turning back people-smuggling boats and end offshore detention if Labor wins government.

    The Saturday Telegraph can today reveal the ACTU this week agreed to a plan to push for an inheritance tax, which was abolished in Australia almost 40 years ago.

    “An inheritance tax on the wealthiest estates can restore fairness to our tax system and ensure the very wealthy and big business pay tax,” an ACTU spokesman told The Saturday Telegraph.

    In a policy document signed off by ACTU members this week it states: “Consideration should be given to taxing inheritances in the hands of the beneficiary.

    “A lifetime threshold could be made available to the taxpayer with tax payable once cumulative inheritances exceeded the threshold.”

    Asked if Labor would consider an inheritance tax, Mr Shorten referred the question to shadow treasurer Chris Bowen, whose spokesman said: “Labor has no plans for an inheritance tax.”

    Mr Shorten also did not comment yesterday on the ACTU’s demands he wind back the government’s tough border protection policies.

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull yesterday accused Mr Shorten of being controlled by “union paymasters” who were demanding that he “weaken our border protection, which will again outsource our borders to people smugglers”. “The prospect of a Bill Shorten government controlled by unions, weakening our border protection policies, outsourcing our sovereignty, our borders to people smugglers, that is a real threat to the security of Australia.”
    Anonymous
    7th Jan 2019
    6:59am
    Thanks Noodles. So no plans to tax people who have an inheritance windfall, but firm plans to overtax struggling self-funded retirees and wipe out the lifestyle they worked so hard to achieve in old age. Well done, Shorten! How could ANYBODY vote for that?
    Anonymous
    7th Jan 2019
    7:14am
    And this is the party for the ''ordinary Australian'' - the party that wants better schools and hospitals. Yep, as long as they are paid for by impoverishing hard working retirees with limited means and not by taking anything from the rich who enjoy inheritance windfalls. Shorten will also indulge the March 2018 pensioner who inherits millions later by letting them retain franking credit refunds whenever they qualify for a part pension, but the battler who was barely self-funded in March 2018 loses his refunds FOR LIFE, no matter how poor he becomes.

    Beggars belief that anyone could be unfair or selfish enough to support a party that puts out a policy like that.
    Adrianus
    7th Jan 2019
    8:48am
    Throwing all this money into schools and hospitals is just a culture of empire building for the remaining union members. Hospitals are now more efficient than they were under Labor, but if Labor win this election we will once again see more inefficiency, overstaffing, with staff busy looking busy running paperwork all over the hospitals.
    Ardnaher
    8th Jan 2019
    2:17pm
    I have been very pleased to hear how many very expensive medicines have now been put on the PBS...saving the lives of many who could not afford to pay tens of thousands a year to keep them alive.
    Ardnaher
    8th Jan 2019
    2:19pm
    OGR RE inheritance tax....Shorten saying"he has no plans to bring in an inheritance tax" does NOT mean that it won't happen. Plans can change as we know...look what happened under Rudd and boat arrivals. I personally wrote to him and he lied to me.
    Anonymous
    8th Jan 2019
    5:08pm
    I would never be foolish enough to believe a word Shorten said - nor most other politicians either, Noodles, on either side.
    Adrianus
    11th Jan 2019
    7:59am
    A person would need to be very gullible to believe everything Bill Shorten says. He smashed into a park car because he spilt his coffee? Yeh right!
    Pass the Ductape
    6th Jan 2019
    9:32am
    The political climate in Australia is in turmoil and will remain so because politicians are still unwilling to listen to the people of Australia. It seems to be that unless parliament house in Canberra has literally been flattened to the ground by explosives, politicians in this country will never be made to awaken - and with their heads stuck so far up their backsides, it's doubtful they'll get the message even then!.
    Adrianus
    6th Jan 2019
    10:15am
    What is the message? Is it just one message? Or is it 13,000,000 different messages?
    Anonymous
    7th Jan 2019
    6:12am
    I think the message is that we want a government focused on improving the quality of life in our society - not on pandying to global power broker interests or the interests of politicians or monolithic global corporations. We want representatives who listen to the people of this nation and respond to the wishes of the majority, while ensuring fairness and decent treatment of minorities. It's not really that hard or that confusing. Leave the UN. Forget stupid agreements with foreign powers about climate change. Reduce politician's retirement benefits and expense provisions so that they experience life like ordinary citizens. And start paying attention to the issues that matter to Australians and to what is best for Australia.
    Adrianus
    7th Jan 2019
    8:39am
    Rainey, I agree with that. I also think Australia has been falling short on commercial negotiations with big business and foreign governments. This can at times appear to be pandering. Foreign diplomacy has far too many complex moving parts for us to make any sense of it, but more transparency would be good. What I don't want to see again is the blind following we saw with Wayne Swan and Kevin Rudd being bullied at the G20 during the GFC. But then again was it an act of good faith by Australia in return for the USA propping up our banks? My guess is political opportunism, and this is what Australian voters have had enough of. Politicians appear to spend more time throwing barbs at each other than they do making laws or debating real issues.
    Pass the Ductape
    7th Jan 2019
    10:39am
    I'll have to agree Adrianus. To me the message is clear, but the real problem with Australia is general apathy, so we are in fact peeing into the wind when it comes to getting people to think or act for the better. Politicians are well aware of this - and so here we are.

    8th Jan 2019
    6:23pm
    The problem with both Labor and Greens (and Greens more so) is that they essentially subscribe to a belief in socialism, and
    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” Churchill

    Not all that long ago a number of politicians decided to “Stick it” to the rich… by putting huge luxury taxes on yacht sales. The result? Thousands of people lost income, lost their jobs and even lost their businesses. See, people who make boats, repair boats, provide fuel for boats, crew boats, store them in harbor, etc. were the ones who got screwed…. because the ultra-rich simply stopped buying yachts. The tax revenue didn't eventuate, but a lot of misery resulted.

    This is the problem with the socialist model. We'd all LIKE to see the rich pay their share of taxes, and I believe there is scope to pursue multi-national companies and wealthy people who hoard overseas in tax havens, but we need to be extremely careful of the flow-on effects of new taxes or tax increases, and this is why Shorten's franking credit policy is so bad. Not only is it patently unfair, but it risks driving the OAP cost up by pushing more people onto the pension, making it uneconomical for battlers to buy shares (thus reducing the capacity of lower income earners to improve their position); pushing investment off shore and into property; reducing spending by those impacted - with resulting reductions in indirect tax and business growth; and, worst of all, taking investment out of Australian companies that are using it to grow and create more employment.

    Take more from X or Y because they APPEAR to have more sounds good, but nothing is taken without cost, and the cost isn't always readily apparent. My major issue with Labor is that they tell huge porkies to win the support of the gullible - like 'people shouldn't get refunds who pay no tax' (Well, of course not, but EVERYONE who gets franking credits DID pay tax - generally at 30% of their dividend income! And if they don't earn enough to be liable to tax, they should get it back!).
    Misty
    10th Jan 2019
    12:07pm
    Do any of the people here,other then OGR, ever contact their local State and Federal members, regardless of what party they belong too and talk to them about their concerns and the parties policies, or do they base their assumptions on what they see on TV and read in the biased newspapers?. I do know OGR has contacted MP'S but what about the rest commenting here?.


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