21st Nov 2017

The real reason the Government cancelled Parliament

Government cancels Parliament
Drew Patchell

The Turnbull Government yesterday cancelled a full week of parliamentary sittings. The decision shocked some of its own MPs and has clearly angered Labor, the Greens and some crossbench MPs.

The move is being labelled as an act of survival by the Turnbull Government, which has already lost Barnaby Joyce and John Alexander, and could lose more of its numbers to the dual citizenship fiasco.

Lower House MPs will now have until 8pm Tuesday 5 December rather than 1 December to make disclosures to the Parliament about their citizenship status. The 1 December deadline still applies for all members of the Senate.

This decision leaves just two days to push through the same-sex marriage legislation and, if more dual citizens are revealed amongst the Coalition ranks, will deny Labor the chance to trigger a no confidence motion against the Government. Furthermore, any Coalition dual-citizen who are revealed could have their matters resolved through by-elections before the House returns on 5 February 2018.



Mr Turnbull took the opportunity yesterday to move the conversation away from corporate tax cuts and instead flagged tax cuts for millions of Australians in the next federal budget.

What do you think? Has the Turnbull administration entered survival mode? Is the delay in sitting a stroke of genius that shores up the Government’s position at least until the House returns in February?

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Phil1943
21st Nov 2017
10:27am
The desperation of the Turnbull government has now reached Trumpian proportions. Just like the embattled Donald, Malcolm is counting on tax cuts for the plebs to save his skin. And in the meantime giving massive tax cuts to big businesses. Looking over his shoulder we see the Bennelong byelection shaping up as a much tighter battle than MT envisaged. And don't think Tony Abbott's gone away - he's lurking just behind Malcolm, with Cory Bernardi not far away. Yes, the Turnbull administration has entered survival mode but there's certainly no guarantee of survival for Malcolm.
bob menzies
21st Nov 2017
11:17am
agree with all you say except re Trump - if you watch FoxNews and I listen to y friends in US Trump is fine with the base - even further ahead in swing states.
roy
21st Nov 2017
11:22am
Where's MICK may I ask, he always puts this country to rights!
bob menzies
21st Nov 2017
11:29am
I think the next election will be very interesting - Shorten is going to win but the real interest will be the senate - right now we have 7 conservative leaning cross benches - 1 x lib Dem, 1 Aus Conservatives, 4 PHON. If they get 11 or 12 they will hold balance of power in Senate.
Tib
21st Nov 2017
12:30pm
You can't blame The US for Trump it was either him or that crazy bitch Hillary. Apparently she has seen the future and the future is female ( her words). I like the prresent which is her disappearing.
I wish Tony Abbott was back in power, I'd like to see the liberals disappear at the next election.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
12:40pm
Pardon me, Roy - is Mick the cat that chews your Lib views?

Dammit, Sir! We are in a country that is lead by the nose by a form of cult of personality - that being the utterly mistaken belief that our 'prime minister' is the head of the parliament and is a representative of the people - when he/she is the head of the majority party and represents ONLY his/her own seat and that party. Many persist in the utterly false belief that Big Mal or Big Toe or Julia or whoever will save us all from the evils so transparently visible in his/her own party....

And you wish to pursue personalities here instead of issues?

I give up, Australia - you're not worth saving from yourself...
ray from Bondi
21st Nov 2017
1:15pm
TREBOR, you are so right and the media pushes this view upon us, the leaders are figureheads of their respective parties, all the real decisions are made by others behind the scenes.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
1:47pm
Indeed - some call it a 'caucus' - and both major parties have them, though composed of different groups of people.

"Labor's policy platform is made by national conferences comprising the federal and state parliamentary leadership of the Party, together with elected delegates from all states, the Australian Capital Territory, the Northern Territory and Australian Young Labor."

http://www.alp.org.au/about

I note that branch members can attend as observers...... not as a voting bloc or individual... just saying... but the reality there is that it is the party insiders who make all the decisions. Not sure who the 'elected delegates' are, but the Unions get a say somewhere, and the agenda is set outside of that conference.

We all should know by now that LNP have their own groups of business people and such who contribute to policy.

BOTH sides are plagued by the donations scandal that both desperately seek to keep on the back burner.
Knows-a-lot
21st Nov 2017
2:21pm
Abbott. It'll be Doomsday if ever that creature becomes PM again. He's the worst one Australia has ever had to suffer.
Cautious
21st Nov 2017
3:00pm
You mention the Bennelong By election.
How fabulous if Kristina won.
She could then challenge for Federal leadership of the opposition.
roy
21st Nov 2017
3:16pm
Trebor, No.
arbee
21st Nov 2017
5:20pm
Trebor, what a heap of crap you have written about the labour party's policy platform. We all know that the unions not only pick who will be candidates, but also decide what most of the policies will be.
Triss
21st Nov 2017
5:47pm
So, if Kristina Keneally wins will the poor old taxpayer be forking out for her parliamentary pension and perks plus her MPs huge salary?
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
7:53pm
Read cqarefully - you'll see the word 'caucus' - arbee - that includes Unions.
George
21st Nov 2017
9:52pm
Talking about Trump & Turnbull, Phil21943, where do you think Turnbull got the idea of tax cuts (a sales pitch) for the middle class from?

TrumpBull is more Bull than Trump! Diversionary tactics - suppose more tips from Trump after their recent meeting! Needs to go!
terrib
21st Nov 2017
10:41am
I cannot see why dual citizenship is a big deal. When they enter parliament Politicians swear allegiance to Queen & country so what does it matter where they come from or what citizenship's they have. This country has so many immigrants there will come a time when hardly anyone will not have them.
bob menzies
21st Nov 2017
11:24am
Its simple really - the constitution requires it -and, trying to change it - well good luck with that. It is not hard to work out where your parents and grand parents come from then renounce any foreign allegiances. Some pollies have just got sloppy.
FrankC
21st Nov 2017
12:24pm
How far back do you go. We all originated from English Irish, and of course Scottish, descent. This is proving a typical fiasco. As you say terrib, if you swear allegiance to Queen and country, that should be it. What a mess. And now we have certain elements trying to block the same sex marriage legislation going through, which apparently could take months.!!
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
12:41pm
Roight you are, Guv - bu' we don' wan' wops and gypos an' parasites from ve Ol' Dart 'ere tellin' us what ter do an' 'ow ter do it.... they got enough probrems ovah ver wivvout bringin' 'em 'ERE! S'why vey lef' innit?
KSS
21st Nov 2017
1:15pm
I don't know what you are trying to do TREBOR but frankly your post is nothing short of racist!
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
1:50pm
I'm using jargon, Guv - just read it like as if it were coming from a Cockney or similar....

Racist? For saying that we don't want the ideas of other and failed nations being brought here and shoved on us ?

Look at the Poms that have come here and gotten into politics - and look at their nation under their parties.... do we really want to go there?

Do we want Greek or Polish or Saudi ideas of how government and people should be run?
KSS
21st Nov 2017
2:08pm
It is not jargon at all. It is an accent! We do NOT need your puerile attempts at a 'Cockney' accent; nor do we need your accusation of implied subservience of people from a small area of London by using it! It add absolutely nothing to this debate.

And unless you are advocating for a whole Aboriginal parliament (with no western nation ancestry or Torres Strait Islander ancestry either) then your comments are blatantly racist. And I call it! you have now had a swipe at the English, Greeks, Polish and Saudis.

Anyone else you'd like to malign whilst you are at it? A few Asian cultures? Africans may be? What about the rest of Europe?
Knows-a-lot
21st Nov 2017
2:27pm
Stop being so precious KSS. TREBOR was simply being humourous by imitating a distinctive British accent. He was not being derogatory But PC-types have no sense of humour, do they...

Moreover, genetically, 'race' (hence racism) is a fiction.
Knows-a-lot
21st Nov 2017
2:30pm
Aboriginal parliament? Now who's being "racist". Anyway, parliament is a non-Aboriginal construct.

"Anyone else you'd like to malign whilst you are at it? A few Asian cultures? Africans may be? What about the rest of Europe?"

It is perfectly reasonable to critique other cultures (and our own). For some you mention, there's a lot to criticize...
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
3:22pm
Sir! You often confuse your needs with your wants.... dialect then... ain' no thang...

And even Poms and stuff are part of the human race -though one is left to ponder sometimes on the value of that statement.... maybe we need a new word - ethnicist or something.

At least I left out the Irish.... seeing as I'm around 60% Irish.. must be prejudice or something...
Rainey
21st Nov 2017
4:16pm
In 1950, or thereabouts, the British sent a warship out to Oz. On arrival, the sailors who steered her out were offered the chance to transfer from the British to the Australian navy - with benefits. So, a man with an impressive war service record fighting for the ALLIES (being the allied British, Australian and New Zealand military) transfers to the Australian navy and serves many years for Australia. He marries an Australian. He has kids born in Australia. They have kids born in Australia. And those kids have kids born in Australia. And those kids - the great-grandchildren of the guy who gave the best years of his life to serving Australia in the navy and to producing and raising Australian children - aren't eligible to be elected to Fed Parliament because their great-granddaddy was born in the UK. But nobody ever knew his descendants were entitled to claim British citizenship. Nobody ever claimed a benefit from dual citizenship - or even contemplated seeking one.

Australia is still part of the Commonwealth, and has the Queen as a nominal head of state - even seeking Her Majesty's approval for some government functions, yet certain people can't be Federal politicians because their great-granddaddy was born in the mother country and didn't renounce his British citizenship when migrating to Australia to become an Australian serviceman. How ludicrous is that?
Triss
21st Nov 2017
5:50pm
It’s a commitment, Terrib, if you don’t want to make that commitment then stay away from parliament.
George
21st Nov 2017
9:35pm
Terrib, in case you missed all the arguments - these politicians either are too dumb to fill a form correctly or they lied about their citizenship status - in either case their election is INVALID. The Constitution is perfect in this respect as it expects all Federal MPs to be committed to only one country - Australia.

Agree with Roscoe below - Governor General needs to act and order the dissolution of both houses of Parliament immediately and order fresh elections for us to get a validly elected Parliament.

Opportunity: We then get another chance to boot out all current non-performing seat warmers of Liberal, Labor & Greens parties by putting them last in preferences! All Retirees in particular must act in that case, as none of these parties work for you (indeed the country) or for future retirees!
Janran
23rd Nov 2017
10:51am
Yes, terrib, it's a farce that our Head of State is a foreigner, the Queen. Many Australians have been trying to change that for decades but John Howard made sure that change couldn't happen.

But I reckon dual citizenship IS a big deal and I'm glad that Federal politicians must renounce any allegiance to another country if they wish to represent Australians in Parliament, as is the rule now. When we finally achieve an Australian as Head of State, the rule to renounce other countries' citizenship will remain very relevant.
Roscoe
21st Nov 2017
11:13am
Where is our Governor General? Has Turnbull sent him overseas again or is he too busy living the life of Riley? He should show some wisdom and understanding of the People's feelings towards our greedy politicians and dissolve Parliament immediately to sort this mess out. a Federal Election at once is the only way to help our beautiful Country.
bob menzies
21st Nov 2017
11:19am
I reckon GG would like to intervene but he can't - PM has to direct him or that has to be a vote of no confidence in house. Sadly GG can't do anything but I agree with a new election is a must - who knows how many more of the politicians are duel citizens.
MICK
21st Nov 2017
11:26am
They got rid of Whitlam and they can't get rid of the stench which now calls itself a government? In the words of Pauline Hanson "please explain".
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
12:42pm
Missing in action - forgot his spare ammo as he did in 1969....(oops)..
roy
21st Nov 2017
1:27pm
Ever reliable MICK,all done son.
Rae
21st Nov 2017
3:08pm
They got rid of Lang too. Seems the fascists are far better organised and far more powerful than any union.
leigh308
21st Nov 2017
3:40pm
Agree that a double dissolution and an election is what is needed. When the coalition won government they crowed continuously about their mandate. Well the mandate is gone so honour and ethics would dictate they call it.
But perhaps there are some interim measures I can suggest; the 'duel' citizen MPs should be forced to fight to the death on the parliament forecourt. I suggest that the jawbones of asses would be appropriate weapons for this.
All people standing for parliament should be investigated for citizenship before we waste taxpayer funds on them.
All legislation passed or failed in the last 12 months should be revoted by the newly elected parliament as previous votes were illegal. No need to waste time on discussion, for the most part they will know the issues, just a straight vote will suufice. My 2c worth
LENYJAC
21st Nov 2017
4:01pm
This GEE GEE is as usefull as an OUTSIDE DUNNY ON A JUMBO JET..
libsareliars
22nd Nov 2017
11:45am
Agree entirely Roscoe
Janran
22nd Nov 2017
7:59pm
Good one, LENYJAC.
GG's are a waste of time and money. All that ridiculous pomp is the antithesis of Aussie manners.
MICK
21st Nov 2017
11:24am
ANybody who cannot see the writing on the wall with this government is either stupid or in bed with it.
First you have Abbott who appointed all positions of responsibility to coalition/big business cronies. The you have a Royal Commission witch hunt into unions to nobble the Labor Party. Now you have the cancellation of parliament because this lot cannot handle losing a motion on the floor.
I await to be told this government is not as crooked as a dog's hind leg. For anybody wanting to defend the above I ask where the inquiries are to look at the financial arrangements between this government and the coal industry, the granting tax cuts to the wealthy (now being sold as 'everyone' gets tax cuts), the ongoing attempts to build coal electricity generators when the public has said no and now the outright perversion of the parliamentary process to avoid a Banking Royal Commission.
When is enough enough? Or is this like the gun issue in the US where the same tragedy keeps playing out because the big end of town has determined it will?
We certainly need an election and I would be happy with anybody leading the country other than the perverse and owned Coalition.
tj
21st Nov 2017
11:39am
Spoken like a true blue socialist .Cant wait until Shorten forgives and forgets the sins of all the misjudged union reps that were persecuted by the evil conservatives
MICK
21st Nov 2017
12:17pm
Socialist? I thought I was an anti corruption type of person who believes that the wealth of a nation does not solely belong to the wealthy who make their own rules FOR THEMSELVES and then demand average citizens should pay tax whilst they do not.

Your bias borders on a post from the government. Funny how you degrade Shorten and Labor but offer few reasons for this and also ignore the massive fraud in your side of politics.

What do you think of the latest outrage where the PM is closing parliament so that he does not have to wear a loss on the floor? No comment?
Sen.Cit.88
21st Nov 2017
12:29pm
Hi Mick, Did you notice some of the Qld election TV attacks on Pauline and the Libs were sponsored by the C.M.F.E.Union. Is Qld to be run by the CMFEU if the ALP win the election?
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
12:44pm
Don't be silly, SC88 - Unions have a point of view and a right to express it - at the end of the day, it is up to the people and their (genuine) representatives whether they listen or not.

Do you say the same when the police union comes out after a court case and lambasts the judiciary over a 'bad decision'?
roy
21st Nov 2017
1:29pm
MICK for PM and the sooner the better, you have my vote MICK.
KSS
21st Nov 2017
1:57pm
By his own admission, Mick is already a failed politician who could not secure enough votes! Hence the bitterness.
Knows-a-lot
21st Nov 2017
2:34pm
What does KSS stand for? Keep Spouting Stupidity?
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
3:23pm
Mick for President Emeritus then...

Politics is a hard game unless you have the backing of the party machine(s) and their donors..... and their donors... and their donors.....
roy
21st Nov 2017
3:29pm
KSS, please tell us more about MICK being a failed politician because of a lack of votes, I for one am intrigued.
arbee
22nd Nov 2017
7:52am
Trebor and Mick, the red ragging left wing socialists, always defending the unions and trying to have us all believe that the unions don't dictate policy and say who will be candidates for the labour party. Trebor, caucus is just a labour word for union control.
Trebor you say unions have a point of view and have the right to express it. It is the bully boy way that they express it that the majority of Australians don't agree with.
Mick, just calling you socialist does not do you justice at all, you have far more communistic ideals than that. If you are so anti corruption then how could you be No 1 ticket holder and supporter of the labour party who's members and parliamentarians have been proven over and over again to be up to their necks in corruption.
arbee
22nd Nov 2017
7:53am
Roy, I and most other people on this site would love to hear about Mick's failed political career
TREBOR
22nd Nov 2017
12:58pm
You sir, seem to have an arbee in your bonnet about anyone combining to negotiate conditions and wages --- unless it is the business council or similar.

You are totally wrong about the 'bully boy' style of Unionism... show me some examples clear and binding across the entire Union movement.

Poor widdle manager not capable of negotiating under John Howard's changes in industrial relations - as still controlled by a semi-government body? If managers would simply abide by the rules -something you see not happening every week or so in the news (even!).. there would be no need to endlessly negotiate.

Again - industrial relations are still controlled by a semi-government body that says YAY or NAY to an AGREEMENT - and when conflicts occur, those are normally because the management want to install a new deal by force and without consideration for all the issues, such as is occurring in a LOCK-OUT down Malbun way.

You would rather the whole nation go back to strictly Award rates and conditions? No real difference - wage rates are still the same including conditions allowances etc...but the argument created by poor managers would reduce.

Methinks you mistake petty backyard Fascist dictators hiding in good suits behind manager fences, for the simple right of workers to a fair and negotiated deal.
ex PS
23rd Nov 2017
8:45am
In its original form to engage in socialist views was to empower the working class.
So MICK/TREBOR, you can take being called a socialist as a compliment.

Those who bandy about terms that they don't understand need to find the correct term to use, that is unless of course you don't think that workers having the right to stand up to bosses who endanger their lives and refuse to pay fair wages for a fair days work.
I see nothing wrong with someone who gives it a go and fails and a lot wrong with a man who sees something that needs changing and can't be bothered to actually get off their backside and try to change it.

Left Wing, Socialist, Unionist, all things that no one needs to be ashamed of, just as are Capitalist and Right Wing are not, it is how you express those ideas or how you debate the pros and cons of apposing views that bring the shame.
Ted Wards
21st Nov 2017
11:26am
I don't know about anyone else but I am sooo over the government wasting our time and our hard earned tax payer dollars. This disgraceful debacle needs to end and I will not put up with another 4 days delay because our politicians can not be bothered to do something they should have already done. Lets say no Australia and demand better. Lets call a Commonwealth election if they do not end this on the 1st of December we end them! Enough.
MICK
21st Nov 2017
12:18pm
I am surprised Ted. Not your usual comment. Maybe you have opened your eyes to what is going on. Good one.
Aloysius
21st Nov 2017
11:30am
The Parliament should not sit until the eligibility of every MP and Senator has been confirmed. Otherwise anything passed is open to challenge. There are several politicians at risk of being declared dual citizens and they should not vote until cleared.
MICK
21st Nov 2017
12:20pm
You cannot shut down the country because of a mess caused entirely by politicians who have known about this ticking time bomb for decades.
Your post sounds very much like what Turnbull wants except in his case he is avoiding being defeated on the floor of the parliament.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
12:45pm
Country won't shut down unless we turn all the furruners out of the public service as well... undoing years of affirmative action....

(what a tragedy)...
George
21st Nov 2017
9:38pm
Absolutely, Aloysius. TREBOR is correct - for better or for worse.
floss
21st Nov 2017
11:38am
Cancel the Parliament as it stands it is being run for the Greed is Good gang as it is .I never thought the gap between the have and the have not's would ever get so big in a country like Australia.
MICK
21st Nov 2017
12:21pm
Correct. And the bastards justify it with arguments even the mentally challenged would begin to question.
roy
21st Nov 2017
3:20pm
Poor little down trodden MICK, he is great fan at dinner parties.
Charlie
21st Nov 2017
11:44am
I wouldn't call that sinister. The citizenship fiasco was unforseen and prevents the parliament from operating normally.
As for the same-sex marriage debate, the balancing legislation is absolutely necessary to ensure the approval of same -sex marriage does not discriminate against the existing rights of parents, schools and businesses. This requires a fair bit of thought and shouldn't be rushed.
Wstaton
21st Nov 2017
12:05pm
Now let me think. First we have people discriminating against people of the same sex being treated as equal in joining together lawfully.

Now we have people voting overwhelmingly to allow this to happen.

Now we have the discriminators saying that they will be discriminated against and they want entered in the bill that will allow them to continue to discriminate.

Whoo ee
Bluegum
21st Nov 2017
12:09pm
It is already established that SSM does NOT discriminate against the rights of anyone else.
Those rights are already protected by the anti discrimination act and the church already has the right to say who it will and will not marry.
This is just yet another delaying tactic and an attempt by some people to still discriminate against and refuse LGBTQI people the same rights as heterosexual people.
There is absolutely no need to spend months trying to force in unfair and unreasonable accommodations for a minority of people who do not believe in a fair go for all.
Charlie
21st Nov 2017
12:21pm
Wstaton. Go back to where you said, people of the same sex being treated as equal in joining together lawfully.

Firstly you left out the word marriage.
In Australia same sex marriage is not an equality issue. That's an American law interpretation.
To top it off, there are many people who believe that two people of the same sex joining together in marriage, is not an equality issue in the general sense, nor is it a union that is worthy of being called a marriage.
Charlie
21st Nov 2017
12:26pm
Our anti discrimination law is a nonsense, that makes it illegal to even offend someone on the grounds of race. There have been attempts to change this, but the bright sparks in the labor party wont allow it.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
12:48pm
Anti-discrimination and equal opportunity are masks to cover the reality that such QANGOs with a scarce control by the people since they are a 'cut-out' from government in the house, are dedicated to upholding minorities exclusively.

Even an Australian born white woman finds it hard to get a look in with certain such groups, which are staffed by Aboriginals and ethnics for a start... my ex-missus went to one once with a complaint and got a look of surprise that she would even come there.....
musicveg
21st Nov 2017
2:16pm
Can anyone put some light on why the news article titled 'Love triump's over postal vote' comments were closed? See above 'related articles'
Knows-a-lot
21st Nov 2017
2:41pm
@Wstation. Firstly, according to the European Court of Human Rights and other international legal milieux, marriage is not a human right. As such, there can be no discrimination against homosexuals on this issue. I am totally against the increased ambiguation of our language. By all means have formal same-sex unions. Just don't call them "marriages", because they aren't. (Reason: Same-sex unions are a different type of relationship, one which can never lead to offspring through natural means.)
Wstaton
21st Nov 2017
2:41pm
Charlie this was about discrimination. Not about marriage per Se.

Interesting I typed in marriage into Google and the first few definitions did not mention once that it had to do with religion and only one mentioned about between man and women.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
3:27pm
Marriage is not a right - the only universally accepted human right pertaining to marriage is to not be forced into it - that's what 'to marry the person of your choice' means in that context.

So - we are talking about a ....(gasps - dare I use this term?)... privilege....

So we need a new vote - a binding one this time - in order to determine if we all want the Alphabet community to be included in that privilege...

Lead down a false trail by politicians again.

I thought businesses like cakeists and florists had the right to refuse service.... a pub can.....
Sundays
21st Nov 2017
5:03pm
Yes let’s waste another $122million dollars. The majority of Australians have voted for same sex marriage, the Government should just get on with it. The clergy don’t have to marry anyone they don’t want to. As for businesses who refuse to assist Gay couples, I’m sure there are plenty of other businesses who want the money. In any case, where will it stop. Will we all be asked if we are attending a gay marriage when we go shopping for wedding presents, so we can be refused service. It is ludicrous!
ex PS
23rd Nov 2017
9:05am
TREBOR, the NO campaigners were quite happy to have a vote when they saw victory in their grasp, most YES voters I know did not think that it was up to them to decide this issue and would have preferred the government to do their job.
But we had a survey and it proved the majority of Australians were not apposed to SSM.

You are usually a reasonable person, even though we have not seen eye to eye on a few occasions. But we can not just keep voting on the same issue over and over again until you get the result you want. One vote was too many, to keep going down this divisive track will get us no where. If we vote again and get a NO result, will the YES vote then have an argument for having another vote?
When will this (To many) distasteful unnecessary judging of our fellow citizens end?

If you can refuse service to a SS couple , can you refuse service to a black person, an Asian, a Catholic or a protestant, a homosexual a pub can not refuse service to any one on those grounds.

There are a hundred ways that a business owner can refuse service without making an issue of it, you just have to be booked out for that date for one. I would doubt that any SSM couple would even want anyone who had a prejudiced view against them to take part in their wedding, it would not make sense.
Charlie
21st Nov 2017
12:08pm
There is a little piece of Section 44 Australian Constitution causing a problem.

A person shall be incapable of being chosen, or of sitting as a senator, or a member of the house of representatives, if that person is:

Under any acknowledgement of allegiance, obedience, or adherence to a foreign power, or entitled to the rights or privledges, of a subject or citizen of a foreign power..etc etc etc.
MICK
21st Nov 2017
12:22pm
How hard can it be to fix this? Too hard for this lot!
Charlie
21st Nov 2017
12:48pm
Changing the Constitution probably requires a referendum.

Replacing people with bi-elections gives a bodgee parliament that the people didn't really vote for when the election was run and they were not mindful of the situations that now exist.

I would prefer to see no new legislation passed until the next full election.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
12:49pm
Referendum on gay marriage rather than the current quagmire of a 'majority' vote in a poll, which Mal deliberately did to leave the door open to more and greater conflict and confusion and strife for the general populace?
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
12:53pm
Kristina Keneally renounced her US citizenship in 2002..... before she was elected, from memory.

It seems some know the rules and some don't.

"entitled to the rights or privledges, of a subject or citizen of a foreign power." .... sounds pretty clear cut to me..... no issue other than getting them to stand down instantly.....
arbee
22nd Nov 2017
7:57am
Mick if all parties agreedf to fix this problem immediately the 3/4 of the labour party members of parliament would have to resign, that is why shortarse won't divulge any information in regards to his party members.
TREBOR
22nd Nov 2017
1:00pm
List them, arbee - how is it that they have escaped notice IF they are dual citizens?
ex PS
23rd Nov 2017
9:12am
arbee, do you really think that the readers of this site are fools, you make a goose of yourself every time you make these silly unsubstantiated claims.
If that many politicians are in the wrong, why hasn't the soon to be opposition referred them for assessment?
Are they so incompetent that they would not see the easy way of savings their own hides?
You need to realize that the trick to spreading fake news is to make the story that you invented at least halfway believable. You are insulting the intelligence of all the people on this site and as I said making yourself look like a goose.
Please, you are embarrassing yourself and those who are reading your drivel.
neil
21st Nov 2017
12:29pm
Surely it's illegal for a democratically elected government to cancel the will of the people, the parliament does not belong to the LNP coalition but it's ours. We have an English woman as head of state, I don't think she even has dual citizenship with Australia. We have given News Ltd $30million dollars of our money, we have just spent $120million on an unwanted survey but it's only public money. The LNP are taking us for mugs.

Neil.
libsareliars
22nd Nov 2017
11:46am
Spot on, viva la revolution!
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
12:35pm
Well.. parliamentarians and their cronies - sorry--- staff etc, have steadily, over a long period of time, organised Parliament so that it is nothing of the sort (not a Parliament - a word derived from the French 'parler' - meaning to speak (on behalf of THE PEOPLE) and with the addition of it being a place to speak), but is just a house in which politics serves politics, rather than serving the nation and its people.

Someone said that elsewhere and it rang true.... so I repeat it with their thanks...

Maybe Big Mal is concerned over the reaction once the Gay Splicing bill is passed through... both houses of course...
Sen.Cit.88
21st Nov 2017
12:50pm
Well Trebor,
Whoever wrote that was (in my perception SPOT ON)
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
12:56pm
Could have been someone here - or in another politics forum I frequent. It was well said, anyway.

Looking back at the old Greek forum thing many years ago, things were discussed and speeches made in a 'parliament' or forum, and the proviso would seem to be that the purpose was to actually achieve better for the nation-state of whatever. That does not seem to be the case here, since it is becoming plain that politics is a business first and foremost and not a duty of service.
Hairy
21st Nov 2017
1:09pm
Bloody crooks the lot of them ,we the voting public are being played like children ,what a total disgrace these pretend political arrogant arseholes are.
Rosret
21st Nov 2017
1:09pm
I wish the author of the article, Drew and all the commentators here would just take off your political caps for a moment.

We all voted for the Parliamentarians in power at the moment - like it or not. They have not done anything wrong with the governance of the country. The High Court chose to take the "safe road" which turned out to be the one with the undermined substructure.

The Labor party has every right to play the game so does the Liberal party. However we have by-elections to solve this debacle next month. Let's play by the umpires decision and wait.

If two Australian democratic parties can not play by the rules determined by the High Court's interpretation of the Constitution then I think we have a breach of Australian Rule of Law.

The judicial arm of government must show restraint and discipline as a source of strength. The Labor parties acceptance of the Rule of Law will serve them far more greatly in the next election than playing "dirty" to force an election (again).

Let's show the world we are civilized and we can make bipartisan logical decisions as a nation.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
1:53pm
I only voted in my electorate......
Knows-a-lot
21st Nov 2017
2:48pm
Good point, TREBOR. On the same-sex 'marriage' fiasco, plenty of electorates in Western Sydney had NO votes of over 60%. I wonder whether the sitting (ALP) members will represent their electorates - as they should - when it comes to voting on any forthcoming bill concerning this divisive topic.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
3:32pm
I would have thought a conscience vote, or the usual party gun at the head one, would be the approach.

I still say a binding vote of the people was the way to go - and I predicted endless argument and even strife - and that really is the only way to do this.

The ALP and all other parties are above such petty considerations as the will of their personal electorate, KIA - they deal daily with matters of state and of great moment on the international stage.... as evidence by our immigration policies and our subscribing to hare-brained ideologies imported from Offshore.

That is largely the fault of a once-vaunted higher education system... which nowadays more and more resembles Propaganda 101 and Ideology 102.
Rosret
21st Nov 2017
5:11pm
Trebor how long did you want my comment. I know that and I am sure you know how a Parliament is formed too.
Knows-a-lot re same sex survey - that is an interesting point. However if each electorate's candidate voted as their electorate wished would not the bill still be passed?
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
7:59pm
I don't know, Rosret - elected representatives represent their party and its policies - not their electorate.

If it was decided on the majority in the majority of electorates...
Rosret
21st Nov 2017
9:33pm
True Trebor that's why its so important to listen to all their policies when they claim a mandate to implement policy.
The best politicians will work tirelessly to convince their party of issues in their current electorate.
I have know several politicians on both sides in my electorates who I have been very proud to have represent our interests.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
10:42pm
When I lived in Eden-Monaro I never saw the Lib guy - saw the Labor guy, though.

Up here the local guy does the rounds about every three months and wisely holds the meeting in the pub around the corner..... that's sure to bring a crowd.
Janran
25th Nov 2017
1:05pm
Knows-a-lot, do you think Tony Abbott should vote yes to same sex marriage, in light of his electorate returning a 75% "YES" postal survey?
Janran
27th Nov 2017
2:49pm
Hey Rosret, I just couldn't pass your original comment in this thread. 2nd paragraph:
"We all voted for the Parliamentarians in power at the moment - like it or not. They have not done anything wrong with the governance of the country..."

Crumbs, can you name even ONE THING they've got RIGHT with the governance of the country? Just one?
Janran
27th Nov 2017
2:51pm
More like:
They have not done anything FULL STOP.
Happily retired early
21st Nov 2017
1:31pm
Can we just euthanise this dying in extreme pain government by having the election now!
The voting public deserves better than this!!
seadog
21st Nov 2017
1:43pm
I am forever amazed at the left leaning laborites who post on this blog. The current Government, like it or not, is held to ransom by the Senate crossbenches. If you know anything about politics in this country you would know but it seems the majority of you people do not!! I am not a Turnbull supporter as I do not have much time for him but I have no time at all for the weasel that you call Shorten. Like it or not every time we have a Labor Government this country gets great heaps of debt, Then we have the Liberal/National Party and we get out of debt except this time. KRudd and Gillard borrowed so much money that the interest bill is killing us all including the government but at least they have reduced the deficit which does not happen under Labor. I just want all Politicians to get on with the job that we have elected them to do and that is govern this once great country of ours. The sniping from Labor is so much like silly little children ( I know that Abbott did the same) but two wrongs do not make a right. We need all these people to wake up and work for us. The senate is supposed to be the States House so why do we have party members in it. This should also be illegal. Until then we are on a sipppery downward slope
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
1:53pm
Aye, skipper, but ye Senate be doin' it's job (aaargh)...
Eddy
21st Nov 2017
2:32pm
For goodness sake Seadog (and others), learn a bit of history, how can you seriously state that the government is being , in your words, "held to ransom by the Senate cross benches". It is not a recent phenomenon. It happened to Rudd and it happened to Gillard. Last time we had the Senate controlled by the governing party we got the GST, Workchoices and massive tax cuts for the high income earners (the trickle-down effect in action) and a pittance for middle and low incomes earners..
Go back to 1975 to see what a senate cross bench can do to a government. In case you have forgotten in 1975 the Liberal/Country Party and their fellow travelers the DLP denied the government supply, in effect cutting off the money to pay pensions, public servants, and military personnel and to pay for all the goods and services a government needs. No less than a coup d'Tat.
We could have a non-party Senate, all it requires is for people to vote for non-party aligned candidates. Why don't you stand next time, I can't as I have British citizenship by decent.
Knows-a-lot
21st Nov 2017
2:51pm
Aaargh cyclopean seadog - defender of the hopeless Lieberal Nasty Poseurs. At least the ALP and Shorten are competent.
Knows-a-lot
21st Nov 2017
2:52pm
Australia has accumulated the most debt under the bumbling LNP.
Happily retired early
21st Nov 2017
3:00pm
The senate is the voters senate and has to do the work of the people who put it there. It’s working as it should, Turnbull is too aragant to get out of his plush office and negotiate with them. Rudd, Gillard and even phoney Tony did it why can’t born to rule Turncoat.
arbee
22nd Nov 2017
8:05am
Seadog, you have stated the facts exactly as they are. How quickly the left wing clowns on this site come out to shoot you down.
The whole Senate voting situation needs to be changed. I did read somewhere last week that one of the Senate replacements that has come out of this whole fiasco actually received less than 5 primary votes in his state. This is ridiculous and not the will of the people.
Happily retired this situation does not make it the voters Senate at all.
KSS
22nd Nov 2017
8:13am
Knows a lot, the increase of the debt under the LNP couldn't possibly have anything to do with the wild unfunded policies from Ms Gillard and Mr Rudd put in place shortly before their ultimate demise knowing they would not be held responsible for funding them now could it? NDIS? Gonski?
arbee
22nd Nov 2017
9:51am
Spot on KSS, it is a well used labour ploy, they do it before every election that the polls tell them that they are going to lose. They also set up contracts that can't be broken without severe financial penalties so as to force incoming governments to honor the contract or have a massive payout.
Sometimes it even backfires on them. The SA labour government did it just before the last election and with support from independents and a yellow Liberal deserter who was ex army in his past they got back into power, but then faced massive debts due to the unfunded contracts they had already signed. This not only helped plunge the state into darkness but also massively into debt.
TREBOR
22nd Nov 2017
1:06pm
You mean Labor's spending caused the LNP to more than double the amount borrowed, after Fat Joe removed the Debt Ceiling?

You mean all those privatised ventures that carry severe cost penalties if the Guv abrogates them are all Labor?

I recall the Libs doing it with some major road through the Malbun CBD - cost a motza for a Labor government to get out of that one.

What WAS this South Australian business? are you talking about the embryonic move to 'renewable power'? Any such move involves start-up costs - just ask your mates in the LNP and their cronies every time they start up a business. Jeez - inthe United States new companies get a tax haven for two years to help cover start-up costs.

(Source:- Economics at UNSW + a few others strands at various universities + some simple research- and don't condemn google - argue the source material listed, not the search engine, as some universities do).
Eddy
21st Nov 2017
1:52pm
Can anyone answer my question (without resorting to idealogical bias). Why are we having bi-elections for deposed dual citizens in the House of Representatives but a recount of the last election in the Senate? Why not the same procedure for both houses? There is a constitutional process for replacing senators who cannot finish their term, They replacement senators are appointed by their state parliaments not by a recount.
What this means is that MHRs who stood when not constitutionally entitled to be sit in the House can dispose of their unwanted foreign citizenship and be elected again at a bi-election. Why cannot displaced Senators do the same, ie dispose of their unwanted citizenship and then be re-appointed by their state parliament. Their seems to be an unfair process in place here.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
1:54pm
Great point, Eddy.
KSS
21st Nov 2017
1:55pm
I'd just like to point out that when the Constitution was drafted, there was no Australian citizenship for anyone. Everyone was a British citizen and the implied allegiance to a foreign power was to anywhere BUT the UK. So perhaps the only genuine people in Parliament are those with a connection to the UK!

As for Ms Keneally, she was a puppet of the criminally corrupt left (her string pullers are all in gaol as we speak) then and will be again on the Federal stage, especially under Mr Shorten's tutelage, should she be elected in Bennelong.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
3:38pm
Indeed - her feminism (politics of division and of exclusion of a select group),

her initial 'appointment' in a safe seat via 'affirmative action' AS STATED (her husband was the heir apparent, but AA made it mandatory for a woman, so she fought it out for pre-selection with Deidre Grusovin),

and her close connections with crooks...

...... are three strikes.

Pity - we needed a nice face in politics here.. not that I'm an old chauvinist or nuffin'.... but the electorate should be advised of a potential rep's past and personal belief system.

We don't want none of them foreign ideologies 'ere... lad! Look at the strife of the nations that spawned them...
musicveg
21st Nov 2017
2:17pm
They probably want to concentrate on their back door deals, the changes they sneak through without media attention.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
3:40pm
That's it... in a nutshell... all the SSM and citoyenship stuff is just squid's ink for a gullible public...
Knows-a-lot
21st Nov 2017
2:20pm
Dear God, Turdball and his totally inept Lieberal-Hillbilly Coalition need to go. Bring on the No Confidence motion and a Federal election so we can kick these bums out. They're wrecking the place. Let's hope the proposed same-sex "marriage" (ha! it ain't) fiasco will be delayed - forever.
seadog
21st Nov 2017
2:22pm
Eddy - If you go to the ACE website this will let you know why. In this case the High Court has determined how it is to be done. I know that it is confusing re an MHR and Senator but it has always been this way when a Senator has been found to be ineligible to continue to hold their seat. In the case of ill health or death the State appoints a replacement senator but convention has always been that the person would be from the same party. A couple of times States have not done this but caused an unproar. Hope this helps.
Eddy
21st Nov 2017
3:18pm
Thanks Seadog, I looked up the AEC website and read the Courts rulings. At least I now know it was the High Court (sitting as a Court of Disputed Returns), not the government, which decreed bi-elections for the House and recounts for the Senate. While I do not necessarily agree it is fair to have recounts for one and bi-elections for the other I must accept the esteemed Justices decision.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
3:41pm
Ah - he who makes the rules pays the senator?

Looks like another case of a rule made up on the run that has become cemented by... convention.. and not law.....

Easy to change with a bit of balls....
Alky
21st Nov 2017
2:38pm
Now that the govt is sitting for one week less than they're paid for, are they going to repay a week's worth of money back to the treasury? After all, if a recipient of the unemployment benefit claims a week's worth of money to which they're not entitled the debt collectors are set on them.
That week's pay from all the pollies would fund the entire country's unemployed for a month - especially when you take into account that pollies will be claiming $274 per night x 5 = $1370 for staying in their wife's/partner's house in Canberra. That is actually more than FIVE WEEKS pay on the dole. And that's just one "entitlement" they will claim. Then there's first class flights from their constituency to Canberra, Comm cars etc etc.
Hell, they could probably balance the budget just by not being paid for a week every year
Knows-a-lot
21st Nov 2017
2:56pm
One rule for the rich and powerful; another for the poor and vulnerable...
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
3:45pm
They won't be claiming Cambra Allowance while they're not sitting... unless they can find some 'urgent business' there.. say.... voting on gay marriage or reviewing their citizenship? You know - stuff they can't do online or on the phone or by a personal visit to an office....

Just add that to the bill.... 120m for a non-binding postal non-compulsory vote.... and now this... they'll sit around in Cambra twiddling their thumbs until they vote on this kind of nonsense, and cop their$1200 a week tax free for doing it.
Observer
21st Nov 2017
2:59pm
What absolute rubbish! This kind of left wing garbage ill behoves Your Life Choices" editorial standards, when you at least suggest that you are reasonably objective. This could be mistaken for an advertorial for the Labour Party. It is unfounded conjecture that has already been refuted and damages you for the extreme and baseless opinion masquerading as valiid comment. Please cease excercising this low standard of extreme bias, and at least try to be a little balanced - please!.
Rainey
21st Nov 2017
4:25pm
Blind Freddy can see this was a desperate move by a desperate leader, Observer. It's not ''left wing garbage''. It's fact. But as much as I hate this government and want to see it ousted, I have to admire MT for his innovative thinking. Pity he couldn't put it to use to actually help the nation instead of just himself. But that's MT for you, isn't it? He and his mates only ever think of themselves and their mates - never the good of the country.
john
21st Nov 2017
3:00pm
Well wouldn't anyone with half a brain delay until they got at least one parliamentary person back, after a by election, everyone knows the Labor party will hammer them in any way possible, so you don't jump in the ring with one hand tied behind your back if you can make the opposition wait, while you get your hand untied, if this is the reason who cares, this citizenship rubbish has wrecked any idea of fairness anyway in this parliament, some Labor people might get turfed out as it goes on. Of course you'd be desperate if you had to fight the ALP with your strength bled out of you by citizenship failures that many more than just coalition people have hanging over them. So right now the ALP looking for advantage looks weak too.
roy
21st Nov 2017
7:14pm
Labor parties always mean borrow borrow borrow, spend spend spend. The world over it's been proved time and time again.
TREBOR
22nd Nov 2017
1:10pm
So do 'conservative' governments, roy - whenever there is a need perceived on their part to borrow. Our current lot are a clear example.

I've argued elsewhere that rather than cherry-picking areas of cost and saying the government is borrowing to cover that minor area - a full review of all government spending is in order.

What are the electors actually getting for all this borrowing? A simple accounting practice by the government and coming a clean breast of where they are actually spending money will help.

Did anyone notice how the 2016 Budget stacked up against the final result on 30th June 2017?
David
21st Nov 2017
3:02pm
And how many ALP MP's will be found to also be dual citizens? The difference is that they are currently hiding the fact so that they can, they hope, get a majority of votes on a "no confidence" motion to try to bring down the current government.
Wait two weeks and we will find out how many of them are dual citizens, and can then ponder the question: "why didn't they put their hand up earlier?".
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
3:48pm
How can Labor hide any more than the others can?
MD
21st Nov 2017
3:02pm
Aw fair go fellow bloggers, fair sav-o-the suckeloy. Our poor, tired, brow beaten political brethren have justifiably called - 'time out' if, for no other reason(s) than to remove knives from their back, wash their hands of past dirty deeds,and buy time to wring some semblance of future direction by lobbying and double dealing. Their added bonus being no decision making and the benefit of time to get the house in order - and the banks theirs.
After all said and done, they are mere mortals aren't they ? & as such are prone to all the many and varied foibles and weaknesses that beset the rest of us surely.
It's ever so easy for we contributing 'couch potatoes', 'keyboard critics' and 'blog boffins' to criticize - we're now so well versed in corridors of power corruption that one wonders whether they (the pollies) will even be missed: the answer to that is - of course they will, after all - no pollies, no gripes, right ?
A quote might help - "Remember: when people tell you something's wrong or doesn't work for them, they are almost always right. When they tell you exactly what they think is wrong and how to fix it, they are almost always wrong." N. Gaiman.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
3:50pm
Those knives don't hurt - they only ever hit scar tissue anyway... hardened by years...
Rosret
21st Nov 2017
5:24pm
MD I don't like the continual abusive comments aimed at politicians either. However they only serve to be comments to be ignored.
Unfortunately - who would want to be a politician and get this type of attack all the time?
john
21st Nov 2017
3:10pm
What really should be happening is the ALP should be making moves to remove Shorten , cannot be trusted and is not fit.
That is why I fear an election I can't vote for someone like Shorten ending up being PM.
I think others would agree, maybe there are a lot more people than I think from that side of politics with grave doubts about the honesty and "memory"?? of Shorten when asked question from his union past, as for what really happens in parliament behind closed doors etc , only they know, we the people are informed by the rabid media who lie and twist things to suit, I would not be surprised if Turnbull shafts the lot and actually changes things around and gets hold of things. And maybe win a bloody election remove all the ambitious back biters and traitors, then the ALP can get a NEW good LEADER, and perhaps become a damned good opposition and alternative government. Too many questions over the extreme lean in
some of that party now. But Bill has to go.
roy
21st Nov 2017
3:18pm
He is not well known a s Shifty Shorten for nothing, he would make a superb 2nd hand car dealer.
Rainey
21st Nov 2017
4:23pm
I could almost agree, John. I fear Shorten getting elected PM. All I can say for sure is it would be better by far than giving this stinking LNP another term. They have GOT TO GO. If that means we have to tolerate Shorten, so be it. It would not be good, but it couldn't possibly be worse than what we have now. At least he has some respect for the working class and doesn't condone endlessly indulging the insatiable greed of the stinking rich.
musicveg
21st Nov 2017
4:41pm
I don't understand why everyone does not like Shorty, maybe he is not perfect but he seems to me much better than Turnbull. But who would be good to take Shortys place? I won't vote for either as I will be voting independent or smaller party, but usually nothing changes where I live it is a very Liberal area and can't seem to vote them out in my electorate.
roy
21st Nov 2017
7:05pm
Shifty Shorten is a sycophant par excellence and couldn't care less about the working class.
Old Geezer
21st Nov 2017
9:58pm
Talk about jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. Better the one you know than the one you don't.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
10:45pm
Better to do without the frying pan and the fire - get modern and get a microwave.... the party of the future.... where the old two are like Orson Carte and Carton Orse - the new one is the Cadillac of political parties....

BOTR!
ex PS
21st Nov 2017
3:38pm
Don't we all wish that when we could see difficult times coming at work, we could just phone the boss and have a week off?
Any boss I had would have told me to take the rest of my life off, and this is what we will do to this government.
They can't take the pressure and therefore should hand over to someone who can.
Sundays
21st Nov 2017
5:09pm
I agree completely
floss
21st Nov 2017
3:48pm
How quick some people forget just think back to the mine disaster in Tasmania it was Bill Shorten that worked day and night to organise the rescue of those two miners had it been Malcolm they would still be there, get real you rusted on Libs.
KSS
21st Nov 2017
8:01pm
You can't be serious surely?

Mr Shorten, he who dudded the very workers he was meant to represent and accepted slush fund payments to the union under the guise of 'education' that no-one ever delivered or received? Mr Shorten works day and night for Mr Shorten and the union bosses who call the tune. Mr Shorten couldn't organise the way out of a wet paper bag much less miners out of a collapsed mine in Tasmania.

He was just good at getting his face on TV in preparation for his jump from the union to politics.
Jim
21st Nov 2017
10:05pm
How did Shorten work day and night to help the miners? If you knew anything about Shorten at all, you would realise he only works for one person himself, at least in that way he is like most other pollies.
TREBOR
22nd Nov 2017
1:14pm
I think you hit on something there, KSS - 'union BOSSES'.

Unfortunately in this day and age many such view their 'calling' as a personal business fiefdom, same as politicians do in the main, and not as a duty.

Some are honest and have no political ambition, others just use Unionism as a road to riches in politics.. never yet seen a politician retire poor.
Aussie
21st Nov 2017
4:20pm
Well in my opinion our beautiful country will not survive properly in the next 10 or less year if we continue with this types of governments I honestly believe we need a drastic change in our constitution and way to govern the country

Is time we look at our independence and reform all our laws and constitution to be relevant to all of us AUSTRALIANS rather than follow others in the way they live ... I will love to see everybody to be patriotic, look after each other and create future for us AUSTRALIANS.

Our basic utilities are sold to private enterprises. Lots of our industries are disappearing or moving overseas because cost of labour and other government restrictions or supportless. We are losing our identity we are looking more and more a total capitalist govrmrnt like United States. What happened with our Mateship to look after each other and our country ???? Gone ????

I seen a very DARK future ......

Unfortunately like most pensioners I know maybe moving overseas is a good reality because we have no power to change anything other than vote for somebody WITH BIG BIG BALLS TO MAKE DRASTIC CHANGES ..... Sorry we do not have anybody at this time.

We need to look into our Young politicians and ensure they will work for us not to be a seat warmers like the current ones.

Liberal, Labour, Independents and the rest of them are the same ....... WE NEED SOME NEW PEOPLE WITH BALLS to change the country to be able to compete with the rest of the world as AUSTRALIANS Not a 20 or 30% Australian .... we need our products to be 100% AUSTRALIAN as possible .....

Let's Be PATRIOTIC forget about discussing shit rubbish stuff like Dual nationality or immigration or any other shit we have a bigger problem that all of that. Let's talk how we can be Patriotic Australian and make our life better ........ We are to old now but lets support our Young politicians and provide them with Patriotic advice to make a better future for us AUSTRALIANS (From Wherever we come from, whatever colour we have. whatever Religion or sexual believes we have) Lets Respect each other and work for our future.

We need to understand and respect a total equality in our Country ... ONE LAW AND CONSTITUTION FOR ALL- No matter who you are or where you come from as long as you are AUSTRALIAN (Aboriginal, White, Brown, Black, Yellow or any other colour, Religion etc etc etc) ....Note:... Even for Politicians ...Same Laws

Lets consider the "REPUBLIC OF AUSTRALIA" Our Own Home made of many good people from the world Let's make this a reality ... YES we are old but still we can provide good advice .....Lets Do it .... For our Young ones future.....
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
10:47pm
On the money - if rather long....Best to spoon feed issues to the struggling masses ground down by the burden of carrying inadequate and incompetent and self-serving government, one at a time...

The people are so poor now they can't afford to spend the time reading long missives....
disillusioned
21st Nov 2017
4:35pm
Can't stand this man or his party! Am well over the NLP! Roll on next elections!!
Sundays
21st Nov 2017
5:13pm
A couple of good Ministers but a whole lot of others who are completely out of touch and not actually improving any policies in their portfolios.
roy
21st Nov 2017
9:18pm
Just imagine Shifty Shorten and Shanghai Sam Dastyari in charge, the mind boggles, MICK for PM yeah.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
10:48pm
We need Dastardly Sam in stand-up comedy... Mr Hasbean.

Face it, Sam - politics is not your game......
arbee
21st Nov 2017
5:13pm
This article typically written by a left wing journalist. Would he be complaining as much if labour were in power and had done the same, as they have in the past, I think not.
Try being in SA under a labour government. Over the past few years hundreds upon hundreds of questions asked in question time in parliament remain unanswered after years and multiple times of being asked. Queries under FOI ignored or so heavily censored that nothing is understandable.
GrandmaKathleen22
21st Nov 2017
5:58pm
Labor in Australia!
Why do you think the article is favouring the left because it is not agreeing with what has occurred.
Why would any thinking person agree with parliament not turning up to work for a week while the bi-elections are happening.
I thought that straight away before any opinions had been presented.
There is more bias from comments on here than in that article.
Journalists write as devil’s advocates to allow people to vent their often prejudiced opinions.
MD
21st Nov 2017
7:52pm
Good for you Granny, you get my vote. Maybe that's what Oz needs - some straight talk and less of the mealy mouthed platitudes.
KSS
21st Nov 2017
8:06pm
Actually GrandmaKathleen22, journalists are not meant to be devil's advocates at all. Their job is to report, not give commentary according to their own viewpoint. That is not journalism.
Old Man
21st Nov 2017
7:59pm
Purely a tactic to save his skin. What Turnbull has done is legal and no amount of opposition complaining can change that. Surprisingly, when the candidate for Bennelong closed down the NSW parliament to stop criticism of her decision in the electricity sale, that was OK.

The link is here: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/turn-off-keneally-blocks-probe-into-power-sale-by-closing-parliament-20101222-194z7.html
anonysubscribe
21st Nov 2017
8:15pm
Has the Turnbull administration entered survival mode?
the government is on its last legs and wildly thrashing around to use every dirty trick in the book to cling onto power by the skin of its teeth.

Is the delay in sitting a stroke of genius that shores up the Government’s position at least until the House returns in February?
The government is full of geniuses. they knew how to win elections by bending the truth so that they beat labour through Abbot and his henchman in skirts lying through their teeth and boasting about it afterwards, that they misled the citizens who vote, to win the election by any means.
foul.
turnbull is the cleverest. He knows how to pretend to lead even though all honest men have fled the burning deck. He has more lives than Lazarus, or a top cat. His genius is the height of cunning. With it he can subvert the democratic process. He may yet trump Trump in the Ignoble Prize for hypocrisy, which is now hotly contested by the once great developed nations beginning with the letter A...
The opposition should urgently refer this matter to the Queen whom the government venerates so that he Guvnor can repeat what a drunken predecessor did to democracy in the good ol' days.
All members still standing when this merry band of men show the olympian depths to which they sink, warrant a special diving medal, and they should get a base metal medal befitting their genius.
The fascist tinpot dictators like Mugabe might take a leaf out of Turnbull's book with profit.
ex PS
21st Nov 2017
8:51pm
This government has no confidence in itself, why should we. For all the criticism that Julia Gillard took, she went down fighting, she did not see trouble coming and attempt to hide from it.
MT is not only hiding from the opposition, he is hiding from his own backbench. COWARDLY ACT.
Old Geezer
21st Nov 2017
9:54pm
Good move by the government as they would achieve nothing by being there with the opposition etc hampering good government with all their nonsense.
TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
10:51pm
Good move by the government as they would achieve nothing by being there hampering good government with all their nonsense.


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TREBOR
21st Nov 2017
10:54pm
Note: Our skilled and highly trained repair personnel may put in more than an ordinary day's work to correct these kinds of errors.... unlike shonky budget repair men, our staff are careful and precise in their work and will not leave a job unfinished and hanging on rhetoric.
ex PS
22nd Nov 2017
11:43am
So Old Geezer, when the Labor Government gets elected, you would expect the opposition to sit back in Parliament and do and say nothing, as the voters who voted the government in would regard any opposition them as nonsense.
I have no respect for those who avoid debate from the fear of having a losing argument, the big disappointment is that the P.M is more afraid of his own members than the opposition.
In no way can that circumstance be held up as an example of good government. Spending $100 million of our money to find the answer to a question that was already known is not good government. Trying to bribe voters with tax cuts not good government.
And taking $25.00 off a taxpayer today, so that you can give them a $20.00 dollar tax cut tomorrow, is not really a tax cut.
Chrissy L
22nd Nov 2017
2:03am
Really, where are we going? Most of us are from other countries. Many of us, have taken Australian Citizenship. We would fight and die for Australia. Many of us, as I have, have lived here for more than 40 years. What do you need blood? For goodness sake have a referendum, if that is what it needs to change the constitution. We are so tired of the lack of leadership of our government, we need to make a stand. We are Australians from all the lands we come.
We are one and we are many. It is about time you heard us. We want to be valued and counted. It is time to acknowledge, who we are, not who our Ancestors were. Wake up Australian Government, we are what we are, we moved here to make a contribution, we are pioneers,to get a better life, not to get knocked down. Lose our jobs. Get over it, have a referendum if it needs to be.
If same sex marriage can get over the line, so can we. We deserve equality too. We are not terrorists, we are Australians who love this country. We may have dual citizenship but so what? We care, we would fight for our country, we love it, we are AUSTRALIAN! We have enlisted in the Defence Services, we have volunteered for our community. What more should we do? Our leaders need to show some mettle, guts, and get on with what it means to be an Australian. We are waiting,
TREBOR
22nd Nov 2017
4:06pm
Yes - agreed.. but the issue is the potential divided loyalties...

"I went down to a public 'ouse,
T' get meself a beer,
The publican 'e crossed 'is arms,
"We'll 'ave no furruners 'ere!"
TREBOR
22nd Nov 2017
6:03pm
"An' it's furruner this,
An'furruner that,
An' furruner git be'ind,
But it's please to walk in front, Sir,
When it's Nashos they must find,
It's please to stand in front, Sir,
When it's taxes they must find."
johnyperth
22nd Nov 2017
6:18am
Turnbull has now proven that he can no longer govern.
Turnbull should do the right thing and call a federal now!!
Anne Ozzie
22nd Nov 2017
8:32am
I cannot believe these comments. For heavens sake - you are adult retirees - you have managed to get to this age without dying or being killed. Mostly that is due to the hard won concessions that the unions and Labor governments have obtained for you. Don't believe it ? Look at the voting records of your local members and of the Liberal, National, One Nation and Labor parties. Poorline and Nick Xenophon and all the other so-called Christians and independents keep the NLP in power - their voting records show it. They all vote to stop any concession to working Australia, against health and safety practices, against pensioners, against better schools. Don't tell me business can't afford it - small business is in the same predicament as the working classes and I include professional people. It is everyone in Australia against the very rich and the multi-nationals who are consistently raping countries across the entire world for their own benefit. They control the parliament through their political donations. Get real. Start demanding a Federal Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC)for all parliaments. Start by asking your local member will they vote for one and if the answer is no - vote elsewhere - Forget the Poorlines and the Nicks - they are only interested in power, not the voters
arbee
22nd Nov 2017
9:41am
Spoken like a true socialist communist. If you like that lifestyle so much go live in Nth Korea, fat boy would love to have you.
ex PS
22nd Nov 2017
11:49am
Anne Ozzie, amusing that the opposite argument put forward actually accentuates what is wrong with the current government. It is the thought processes of some of its followers, heavy on rhetoric and light on thoughtful, logical expression.
I have never met an anti unionist yet that did not run immediately to the Union when they required help.
MD
22nd Nov 2017
11:59am
"Spoken like a true socialist communist." ? arbee, please explain how so ? Do resident 'comrades' of either system actually enjoy the privilege of speech or did Solzhenitsyn et al fabricate myth ? The "lifestyle" you refer to as maybe "live(d) in Nth Korea" smacks of a complete lack of understanding relative to both Anne Ozzies' comment and your knowledge of matters ideological.
musicveg
22nd Nov 2017
1:34pm
Arbee I think your comment reply to Anne Ozzie is totally uncalled for.
And I agree with her comments, they rich and multi-nationals are raping the world for their greed only. Take Nestle for example they are suing a small town in the USA who refuses to let them take their water! Water wars are on. Don't buy Nestle products or water in bottles, get a water filter. Sorry off the track here.
JAID
22nd Nov 2017
1:50pm
There are a few ways of juggling where the money goes but apart from requiring all indulgence to stem from natural wealth (the stuff we dig up and flog off liberally to the detriment of future life on this continent for untold millenia) they all require mandating that some tax payers are less competitive internationally. The choice as to who or whom to make less competitive and who to favour has been wielded with wonton abandon but in every case it denies some work of some type and some income to someone.

We fit the international marketplace or we face any risks of isolation.

The national will to have a caring society should not be equated with a society of patsies. A society which does not judge its compassion in company with the quality of liberty of its citizens is both ignorant and a failure as representative government. Glib 'feel good' politicians dance over this at everybodies loss.
TREBOR
22nd Nov 2017
4:11pm
What has socialism got to do with North Korea? All viable societies are a mix of capitalism pure and socialism - lest one or the other get out of control.... North Korea is a controlled Fascist state.... nothing to do with socialism other than the hand-outs the Government or One may give out at leisure to the general populace....

(wait a minute... that kinda sounds familiar... not a matter of kind, but of degree.... at least we have a government of two parties in lockstep... just one step removed from a Government of One - but our government of two parties slavers over developing the same opportunity as the Chinese 'socialist' New Mandarins and New Emperor have developed for themselves and family .. if ONLY they could use EVERY asset of the State to advance their self-enrichment and shore it up,by force if necessary - hard work this democratic socialism - always got to consider the people.. dammit!)....
jamesmn
22nd Nov 2017
9:28am
this clown could not lie straight in bed it just proves he will stop at nothing when it comes at lying to the Australian people. does he think we are like him a bloo.. idiot . he is that far out of touch. bring on the next election his seat will be like what happened to little Johnny gone into the wind.
libsareliars
22nd Nov 2017
11:42am
What a disgrace this man is - definitely not a leader.
disillusioned
22nd Nov 2017
4:52pm
Like the promises of Tony Abbott, Turnbull will promise the world BEFORE the elections, but woe betide you once you vote this mob back in! Caveat emptor!!
Lookfar
22nd Nov 2017
5:55pm
Interestingly, The Qld Govt, (labour) faced with the same problems of Turnbull,ie with a minority Govt, elected to go for an election, - this speaks to me of more integrity than hanging on by a thread, just to stay in power.
It has courage, if the electorate doesn't like me I am out, Turnbull has no courage, - like Tony Abbott, "I must be the one who saves you all".
This clinging to power over increasing odds seems to me to be some sort of psychotic behaviour, refusing to recognise one has been mistaken, despite the damage you do.
Such egotists should get no vote, - they are not brave, just defiant children, 2/3 years old...
leigh308
25th Nov 2017
8:05am
The fall of the roman empire has been atributed to the politics of 'bread and circuses' and if this is accepted then Malcolms promise of tax cuts for everybody must qualify as the modern equivalent. Everyone pays less must equate to not enough funding to do anything. A government that cannot do anything must be an out of pocket expense the country cannot afford; an irrelevance!
And of course you could also conclude that it is a lie...
I assume we are all (mostly?) grown ups here so you decide which you think is the most likely...
But I am trying to work out why a batsman, who knows he is out, stays at the crease regardless... what is the real reason?
Julian
4th Dec 2017
8:08pm
I'd like to see Halal Mail get the knife in the back.

Poetic justice.


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