15th Jun 2017

Government agrees to pay Manus Island detainees $70m

Government agrees to pay Manus Island detainees $70m
Ben Hocking

The Federal Government has agreed to a $70 million settlement after a landmark class action lawsuit brought by Manus Island detainees.

The group of 1905 asylum seekers alleged that the Government failed to uphold its duty of care leading to physical and psychological harm in the detention centre between 2012 and 2016.

While the detainees were held on Manus Island there was a riot in the centre that resulted in the death of a detainee and there were serious injuries suffered by other detainees.

The asylum seekers claimed that they were falsely imprisoned in the camp after Papua New Guinea’s Supreme Court last year ruled that their detention was illegal.



A trial in the Victorian Supreme Court against the Commonwealth and security companies Transfield and G4S, which had been delayed for several months, was due to start yesterday and had been expected to run for six months.

Law firm Slater and Gordon, which ran the class action, believed it to have been the largest immigration detention trial ever in Australia.

In a statement, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said settling the case was considered a more prudent option than going ahead with an anticipated six-month trial expected to cost tens of millions of dollars in legal fees alone.

As well as the $70 million payout to detainees, the Government will also pay $20 million in legal costs.

The class action was led by 35-year-old Iranian man Majid Karami Kamasaee, who was detained on Manus Island for 11 months from September 2013, and remains in a Melbourne detention centre.

Mr Kamasaee claimed he was persecuted by Iranian authorities for converting to Christianity, and that he had to flee the country under threat of being jailed for his religious beliefs.

He attempted to reach Australia by boat from Indonesia but it was intercepted by the Navy and he was transferred to the offshore processing centre.

Read more at abc.net.au

Opinion: Off-shore detention nothing but a waste of money

The Government’s $70 million settlement for detainees at Manus Island works out at just under $37,000 per detainee. That might seem a lot, but it is a drop in the ocean when you consider that it costs $573,100 per year to house just one detainee according to an Audit Office report. To put that in perspective, it costs almost as much to house one asylum seeker in an off-shore detention centre for a fortnight than to pay someone on the single Aged Pension for one year!

Housing an asylum seekers on shore costs less than half of the off-shore cost, around $200,000 per detainee per year. The savings the Government could make by ditching off-shore detention centres would run into the billions of dollars, around $2.9 billion by some estimates.

What is more, there is significantly less chance of legal action if centres are run by Australian staff and subject to Australian regulations and oversight.

If some of the money saved by ending off-shore detention was reinvested into the processing of asylum seeker application we could also speed up the assessment process and make sure people were detained for shorter periods of time, which could end up saving even more money.

Speeding up the assessment process has other advantages, allowing refugees to start contributing to society sooner and reducing the mental health problems many suffer after years of incarceration.

There are very sound reasons for increasing our refugee intake. Consider that Germany takes in around one million per year compared to Australia’s 13,750. Instead of Germany asking its citizens to work until later in life to deal with its ageing population, as we are doing in Australia, its intake of refugees ensures an increase in the number of citizens in the right age profile so the economy continues to grow at a healthy rate.

What do you think? Has the Government’s $70 million payout convinced you that the days of off-shore processing are over? Do you think the Government should have gone to court rather than settle beforehand? Or do you think that this settlement shows that the Government had doubts about winning in court?

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HS
15th Jun 2017
10:44am
That 35-year-old Iranian man attempted to reach Australia by boat from Indonesia but the Navy intercepted it and he was transferred to the offshore processing centre. Quite rightly, because his first country of landing was Indonesia where should have applied for refugee asylum. That’s what the Human Rights charter states - the first country of landing. Not the country of your ‘cherry picking’- Anyway, at least with that amount of compensation he should not qualify for Australian welfare should he be allowed into Australia -
Sen.Cit.88
15th Jun 2017
11:59am
Yes HS,
Your comment is one that seems to of been forgotten;
"first country of landing"
Brissiegirl
15th Jun 2017
12:06pm
I think the UN term is "first country of asylum". They travelled through several cultural, religious and socially compatible countries to get to Centrelink Australia.
MICK
15th Jun 2017
3:39pm
Well said HS. It is an absolute disgrace that we let ambulance chasing lawyers run the nation and that taxpayer money is given away as though it is confetti.
Show me the other countries where you rock up, push the foot in the door, refuse to go either to your home or a third country, and then be awarded a large sum of money. It doesn't exist.

I tried to air my disagreement on the Guardian but it was removed because the the comment was contrary to what the author wanted posters to write. The Guardian calls that democracy!
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
3:53pm
MICK, some interesting articles from Europe. Happening in Australia, I believ it is.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4604874/Durham-University-handed-books-encouraging-terrorism.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4605624/Sex-crimes-migrants-soar-Germany.html

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/14/judge-praises-muslim-driver-deliberately-ran-down-five-men-good-family-man/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/14/swedish-priests-demand-sweden-stop-celebrating-poisonous-national-holiday/
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
3:53pm
MICK, some interesting articles from Europe. Happening in Australia, I believ it is.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4604874/Durham-University-handed-books-encouraging-terrorism.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4605624/Sex-crimes-migrants-soar-Germany.html

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/14/judge-praises-muslim-driver-deliberately-ran-down-five-men-good-family-man/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/14/swedish-priests-demand-sweden-stop-celebrating-poisonous-national-holiday/
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
4:08pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4605412/Judges-make-harder-kick-foreign-criminals.html
MICK
15th Jun 2017
6:12pm
Last link is unbelievable. The judge said "not fair" whilst the victims and family could go whistle.
This is the issue we are seeing in Australia. Judges are behaving like politicians: UNACCOUNTABLE. We need judges who are a part of the real world, not the land of make believe, and any who cannot do the job need to be resign or be sent packing.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
6:22pm
@MICK. yes In Australia too. Look at what is happening in the USA. President Trump given the thumbs down by Judges on any attempy by him to make America safe. Whether you like Mr Trump or not it outrageous that judges can wield such power.

The neo-liberals, celebrities (what ever that means) the Democrats are vehemently oppossed to a wall to stop illegals entering their Country. Funny that because they say nothing about the wall on the southern border of Mexico whic is there to stop illegals gaining entry to Mexico.
john
16th Jun 2017
1:32pm
Well said HS, and who did they sue, Australia, or we tax payers, how do you do that?
Perhaps we could sue ISIS, for killing our citizens. No one asked them to come here. And I know the comments I'll get for saying that.
But I do not hold my self responsible for nations who cannot or will not save their people from war and radical religions and so on.

I would also hope the money they get helps send them home.

I wonder why the Iranian wanted to come here? I wonder why not apply for Indonesia , or Malaysia or even Turkey, or is he the wrong type of Muslim. And why is that a thing?
Stay where you land mate, and the fact that the agreement reads like that makes a mockery out of the judicial system, here.
Its why people are fed up with weakness and softness, FROM THE JUDICIARY , who in some instances could be indirectly blamed for releasing criminals on bail, and , not just terrorists.
I wonder what they will do to the fellow trying to fly out to fight with ISIS, I THINK I READ WHERE HE ACTUALLY WAS BORN HERE.
Well he is not an Australian now.
I think its high time the government gave some sensible laws and punishments to the judiciary through legislation to keep us that little bit more safer.
But it seems we'll get sued for even thinking it, and the Australian Judiciary will judge us losers.
That 70,000,000 payout was a gigantic loss for Australia. I know Australians mistreated who have got nothing form the government, yet these people who are NOT US ,get everything, why not sue who ever owned Manus Island.
Meanwhile Papillon can sue Devils Island, thats how stupid this payout is. All should now pack up and go live in Indonesia, and if Papua New Guinea owns Manus, sue them, although they owe nothing either. Political footballs ruinig Australia. You know this is why the Trumps of the world get into power.
jackie
16th Jun 2017
1:54pm
Ordinary Australians that don't work can't claim for anything but Manus Island detainees can? Muslims sure know how to rort the system where ever they go. So many of them are on some sort of welfare in Austalia. The government should be made to foot the bill, not taxpayers. All governments should foot the bill for their mistakes.
Rainey
17th Jun 2017
7:25am
No compensation for native-born Australians whose lives were destroyed by unconscionable bureaucrats deciding their parents were ''unfit'' and condemning them to spend their childhood in institutions where they were criminally abused and deprived, then forced out into the world at 15 uneducated, unskilled, unprepared for life outside institutions, and without anyone to give a damn what happened to them, let alone to support or advise. Now, aging in poor health due to early abuse, financially struggling, and psychologically messed up, they are told ''Australia can't afford compensation''. Yet we CAN pay compensation to immigrants who have never contributed to this country. Sure, they may have suffered abuse and injustice due to government neglect. So did stolen and forgotten Australians. What's the difference?
buby
17th Jun 2017
7:53pm
Yes Rainey, It certainly stinks, Now that payout was ridiculous proportions.
they now should not be allow in, they should go back to where they came from they milked us dry already!
how cruel, when Aussies here in Australia, go round being homeless, and many walk the streets with no where to go, and they fork out so much money to foreigners......crikey those judges heads need reading!
Crashbang
15th Jun 2017
10:45am
What a load of garbage. detainees dont work. look at Germany now its stuffed & people want Aus to go the same way. get real
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
3:57pm
Germany, France, Sweden,Belgium,Denmark, the UK, Austria, Italy, Greece all overrun with muslims. Western Europe is in steep decline and the same is happening right before our own eyes in Australia.

NO TO ISLAM IN AUSTRALIA.
Misty
15th Jun 2017
5:28pm
In Austria there is a movement by a group of young people against refugees coming into their country as they say they are ruining the Austrian culture and I believe Germany could be heading the same way.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
5:42pm
Misty, the people are starting to stand up for their country and culture, which are being threatened with extinction by the Globalists. Germany is beyond belief, it is almost certain that Merkel will get a 4th term in office, come the election later this year. I have friends in Germany and they tell me many people there are afraid to speak out against the mass immigration of muslims to their country. However having said that the tipping point is not too far away and the people will have to make a real choice. France is now almost certainly lost the people had an opportunity to reverse the decimation of their country but failed to act. The UK still has some hope but the people need to start waking now, not tomorrow or the day after. The countries known as the Visegrad Group, made up of Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia oppose immigration on the scale that has taken over in Western Europe. The EU Commission is now taking legal action against them for not accepting any refugees. Merkel is the instigator of course and wants Europe to become a Caliphate where Islam is the political force across the whole of Europe.
MICK
15th Jun 2017
6:19pm
The trouble with do gooders is that they fail to assign the same rights to the incumbent population as they do to people who come in and take over.
Whilst I have no dislike of Muslims I have no appetite for the Islamic population which id trying to turn Australia into another muslim country.
If muslims want to live here they need to accept OUR values. Most other races who come here do. Islamic people do not, have no intention of ever becoming Australians and have no empathy for non muslim Australians.
The do gooders need to think before they act against the interests of the nation. A tough ask for people who want to feel good irrespective of what their 'beliefs' is bringing down on the nation.
john
16th Jun 2017
1:37pm
Thing is Crashbang most Australians don't want to be anything like Europe and the UK.

POLITICIANS WILL LOSE SEATS IF THIS CRAP KEEPS GOING ON.

I am a FIRM believer in migration, but my belief means proper in line migration , NOT HELTER SKELTER PEOPLE FROM EVERYWHERE , WITH TOTALLY DIFFERENT IDEALS AND ALSO SOME WHO ALREADY HATE WESTERNERS, BUT STILL WANT TO COME HERE?????

why???????????????????????
Knight Templar
15th Jun 2017
11:01am
Germany is committing cultural suicide and Ben Hocking believes we should be equally stupid.
MICK
15th Jun 2017
3:41pm
Well written.
Oldman Roo
15th Jun 2017
8:45pm
I can understand much of the German dilemma as they have been continuously demonised for war crimes under a dictatorship and have been turned into peace doves that will forever turn the other cheek , no matter how wrong the situation may be .
But I believe there is more to it as it is not only Germany but also quite a number of other countries with proud traditions and successful record of achievements . These are the countries to be burdened with refugees that have a very poor record of assimilation . Using the example of Germany and it,s experience with Islamic Immigrants in the 1960,,s to 70,s , the vast majority did not assimilate and are only there to take advantage of the better economic situation and much better welfare system than where they came from .
So . I ask the question , who is pulling the strings to destroy the proud history of these countries and saddle them with Refugees none of the oil rich Arab nations want .
Perhaps the UN or some secret society with the aim of world Government wants to bring us down on our knees by breaking down our traditions and culture in order to bring us down to the level of these refugees - immigrants . Unfortunately they get a lot of help by do gooders and Leftists Fascists prepared to undermine their countries
Spitfire
15th Jun 2017
11:02am
Perhaps the Commonwealth should be collecting the housing cost from each of these people now they can pay.
Personally I would offer them 3 cents each or the bullet, these are the next generation of terrorists.
We recently have seen examples of so called refugees who fled their country in fear of being killed, have been admitted here and now take regular holidays back to where they came from.
It's time to that we all come to our senses and stop being the dumping ground for the worlds trouble makers.
P$cript
15th Jun 2017
3:06pm
So if they are the next generation of terrorist you must be the present generation of the
Terrorist.

You need to be placed on the watch list for threatening others with being shot.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
3:12pm
@P$cript and you need to be put in a lunatic asylum. Spitfire was making an offer not a threat.

All terrorists are muslim when are you going to learn????????
john
16th Jun 2017
1:44pm
Wouldn't you reckon our politicians actually would see the feeling of the majority. They don't , it appears, so maybe Bernardi will take some power .
I can't see people following Hanson, she is our very own Sarah Palin and seriously should not be in politics , she does not have common sense or logic, and speaks before thinking.
I am not a fan of Bernardi either , but I am losing any respect or confidance in politicians from the Greens and other left factions , who cannot see the forrest for the trees. And who will not close down our over friendliness which is being taken advantage of now by the likes of these people whose own nations deserted them.
So we can bring in good people to Australia.
Not fundamentalist killers. One is too many.
Triss
16th Jun 2017
4:11pm
If they go back to their own country, Spitfire, then they have said it's a safe place. Australia then has no obligation or duty to give them a safe haven here so they should not be allowed to come back.
Not a Bludger
15th Jun 2017
11:13am
Absolutely appalling - worse given that we do not even know the real identity of many of these illegals.

They tried to illegally force their way in, jump all queues and con us as that they were not economic would be migrants when they had all paid substantial sums for their passage.

And what fools we are allowing these shonky lawyers to line their wallets with my (our) hard earned taxes.

Further, note to the Editor of this column - I do not give a toss for what Germany or any other country does or does not do - I only care for Australia and Australians - and paying out $90,000,000 to these bozos rather than, say, to OAP's is truly appalling.

Should have been fought every inch of the way and then, if necessary, appealed through every court in the land - or had changes made to relevant laws.
Ductape
15th Jun 2017
11:15am
Here! Here!
Sen.Cit.88
15th Jun 2017
12:07pm
Applaud!
B5YCK
15th Jun 2017
12:13pm
Fully agree. The lawyers who represented them were acting against the fair dinkum tax payers of Australia and ripped them off.
They should be sent where those illegals came from.
How un australian those pariahs have become going after the almighty dollar.
What about the real Australians who do it hard including self funded retirees who still have to pay tax on their already tax paid dollar savings!
B5YCK
15th Jun 2017
12:13pm
Fully agree. The lawyers who represented them were acting against the fair dinkum tax payers of Australia and ripped them off.
They should be sent where those illegals came from.
How un australian those pariahs have become going after the almighty dollar.
What about the real Australians who do it hard including self funded retirees who still have to pay tax on their already tax paid dollar savings!
Pablo
15th Jun 2017
12:53pm
Absolutely correct!!! What message does this send to those welfare bludgers who will follow this lot to Australia?? This should have been fought through to the end, including the appeals process, to show the world and these queue-jumping, country-jumping, illegal, economic migrants that we respect OUR country well ahead of the claims of people like this!!!!!
P$cript
15th Jun 2017
6:04pm
I agree. This should have been taken to the Court and then all the secrecy surrounding the detention centres and on water matters would be revealed. This is the reason the Government wanted it settled out of court.
Liverpool Anne
16th Jun 2017
10:18am
I fully agree
Liverpool Anne
16th Jun 2017
10:18am
I fully agree
john
16th Jun 2017
1:45pm
Brilliant, and why is there no talk of appeal???????
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
3:30pm
The government agreed to settle out of court, I think this means that an appeal is not allowed. If you have two parties who reach an agreement what is there to appeal?
buby
17th Jun 2017
8:02pm
It all seemed to happen very quickly, and all was hush hush, this is the most i've even heard of it ?
and then to read of a big payout, how obscene!
Ductape
15th Jun 2017
11:13am
It's simply a cost benefit analysis..... But is it any wonder why this type of immigrant continues to bypass any safe haven to come to Australia. We must be the biggest soft touch going.

Okay, so it looks like the tax payers of this country will have to fork out once again. So what's wrong with deducting the $70,000,000 from our foreign aid commitment?
Sen.Cit.88
15th Jun 2017
12:02pm
Here! Here!
Paicey58
15th Jun 2017
12:51pm
Great idea Ductape.
Work out which countries these refugees come from and deduct the exact amount out of the foreign aid sent to those countries.
Also I would be putting a large notice in the local paper and on their internet news sites advising them of the reason this foreign aid money has been withheld from their countries.

Why are we not allowed to protect our own borders???
Aussie
15th Jun 2017
2:37pm
Come'on Ductape .... that is not Australian .... we give give give and give until we have nothing else to give .... and we pensioners get penalised so they can give more.

Shit mate this stupid government is killing us bit by bit

I agreed with you mate there are many other places to get extra money
Liverpool Anne
16th Jun 2017
10:19am
Best suggestion yet
buby
17th Jun 2017
8:04pm
LOL@Paicey, thats the best idea i've heard yet.
Yes they should do that, then perhaps they will stop coming here?
Yer man
15th Jun 2017
11:16am
Those who get the payout should be sent back to their country of origin and the fare deducted from their payment.
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
3:31pm
Some of us will never forget.
Frank
15th Jun 2017
11:22am
I imagine the government didn't want to go through a lengthy, drawn out legal battle with itself. I suppose if the poor old taxpayer is paying for both defence and prosecution then the cost would have been much higher than $70m.
Was the government afraid of losing the legal battle ? lol. It was on a hiding to nothing.
Placido
15th Jun 2017
11:26am
Could be more like clearing the decks, getting rid of embarrassments so it will be forgotten about when we have an early election (Turnbull will forget about what happened in the UK in two weeks, short attention span)
AutumnOz
15th Jun 2017
11:23am
Aren't the people on Manus island being assessed for resettlement in the USA? Perhaps those in detention decided a little nest egg would make their life more interesting in America.
Quite frankly I am tired of cuts to pensions, part pensions and unemployment benefits to people living, and trying to survive, in Australia only to find our government flinging money at people living in other countries, many of them illegal immigrants who tried to crash our refugee resettlement programme.
Per capita our refugee intake is the largest in the world, we do not need to increase the number of refugees resettled here per year.
Our country is already a long way past its sustainable level for existence let alone a comfortable life.
Perhaps old age and disability pensioners and the unemployed could sue our government and demand a living income (tongue in cheek comment), it might work
CC
15th Jun 2017
11:29am
I like so many others are struggling - mortgage, reduced hours at work now.... If they are illegal immigrants they should not have been let into the country - AND so can we give them an account for rent and food provided to them during this time???? WHY do governments think they can put us into debt ?? we will end up being refugees trying to get away from idiots in Canberra and the massive debt our country will be in... China is just on the doorstep waiting to take up our unpaid debts to them ... WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in2sunset
15th Jun 2017
2:47pm
CC, so totally right. Here we are, law abiding citizens, can't get access to free medical treatment, lawyers, etc - and these ILLEGSL GSTE CRASHERS not only don't have to pay for it, they get rewarded! God he'll, I'be definitely been doing it wrong!! Can guarantee if WE went to their country, wouldn't get same generous bonanza's!!!
dougie
15th Jun 2017
11:40am
I think that this cost is unfortunately one due to the previous Government on the whole. Unfortunately it appears that this is the fault of the current Minister, which is not so - he simply carries the can.

As for settlement I agree that this was the right way to go as the Legal Teams for both parties would meet time and again at great cost and eventually reach a decision. This of course would still be a cost on the Government. The Legal Fees paid to the litigants Legal Team is to be I believe 22 million dollars. Who said that the gravy train stops at Canberra ?

Pay up and get out and see that no Legal Work for the Government goes to any firm guilty of Ambulance Chasing for clients as this firm has done.
Frank
15th Jun 2017
11:53am
dougie are you talking about the same law firm which donates heavily to the ALP?
dougie
15th Jun 2017
1:09pm
Frank,
Yes we are aren't we but this was a case against the Conservative Government even though most of the problems for which the action was taken related to the period when Labor was in power. Still they probably would have taken the case anyway as they are not the best Law firm that acts without the attraction of where can we earn a big dollar.
Rae
15th Jun 2017
1:56pm
There is only one Australian Government. In fact the playing of teams in Australia is one of the main reasons we are in the mess. Everyone tries to blame someone else.

The rot started back in 1975 and has gotten us further and further in debt regardless of which team was playing the ball.
Frank
15th Jun 2017
5:03pm
Rae, dougie is right.
jackie
16th Jun 2017
2:02pm
dougie...This incompetent government has always played the blame game. That is all that it's good at. It's done nothing for our budget just drain a larger hole in it than ever.
Charlie
15th Jun 2017
11:42am
Don't know much about the Australian legal system on this, only that the matter should be dealt with under our laws, not foreign laws. If an Australian gets caught with illegal drugs in an overseas country, they are dealt with by the laws of that country.

Its easy to look at things with hindsight but at the time, the management of refugees was
out of control to the point where armed forces were needed.

The government had to turn around the misconception that refugees could come into the country, wander off down the street and get their dole cheque. Off shore processing is a good method of driving that message home and sorting out the real refugees from the bodgee ones.
Joy Anne
15th Jun 2017
11:49am
Absolutely so angry about this. They tried to get to Australia as illegal immigrants and now want payment for living in better standards then what they came from. They destroyed the centre 2-3 times and cost Australian taxpayers millions. Now they want money because of crooked lawyers which get $20million from this deal. How appalling. They came from much worst then what they live in.
BrianP
15th Jun 2017
11:59am
What a mess and what a huge mistake by the Government. They have to go.

Aussies can't afford to allow this Government to continue wasting our money with a string of really badly thought out decisions. The problems are much bigger. Not just about boat people.

And the laws should be changed to prevent firms like Slater & Gordon making $millions out of Aussie taxpayers.
KSS
15th Jun 2017
1:20pm
The mistake was Labor removing all restraint of border security not this current Government.

I do agree that Slater & Gordon (and anyone else) should be stopped from getting up spurious class action suits against this or any other Government.
Tom Tank
15th Jun 2017
1:44pm
Abbott quite clearly stated that he should have supported the ALP plan to resettle these refugees, which by the way are NOT illegals, in Malaysia as had been arranged. Abbott knocked that plan back and settled for Manus Island.
In the last couple of years these refugees were treated very badly and we were never allowed to find out what was happening as Dutton clamped down on any reporting of the facts and even had some aid worked thrown off the Island.
A bit more facts and less emotional ranting would help the debate but I am not holding my breath.
Brissiegirl
15th Jun 2017
12:14pm
Let's remember it was Rudd-Gillard-Rudd who enabled the 50,000 Centrelink seekers to make their uninvited presence known to this country. If Labor is ever returned the flood gates would re-open and we would be quickly re-targeted as has been the sorry case for Europe. One thing this government might do is seek to retrieve living expenses, education and medical costs for all the detainees who received "compensation" from we taxpayers. When Australians receive compensation the first thing to be deducted is all the medical costs (medicare doesn't pay for injury treatment compensation) in addition to legal costs. They can't turn back the clock on one of Gillard and Rudd's many dreadful policies but they can at least try to treat detainees' windfalsl in the same way as the rest of us would be treated. All in all, a disgraceful outcome and a smack in the mouth to the rest of us who would be treated like second class citizens if we were unintentionally overpaid $1.00 in a pension payment.
Misty
15th Jun 2017
5:40pm
I don't agree with your comment above Brissiegirl, I don't believe Labor, or any other party who takes any notice of what the majority of Australians think, and want when it comes to refugees and immigration would ever again sanction allowing boats to arrive as happened before, it would be political suicide. Times have changed since those days, what with ISAS and terrorism rife in the world we have to be so much more diligent about who we allow into our country.
Old Man
15th Jun 2017
12:16pm
We have been led to believe that all of the legal representatives for people in detention were pro bono. Now we find that greed has overtaken compassion and not in a small way. I find it ironic that Slater & Gordon has benefitted from a decision that has its roots in the incompetence of a Labor government when they are not only donors to Labor but have had a number of Labor politicians rise through their ranks.

But onto the topic at hand. Australia has become captive to people of the left who support the Greens. Only today we read that a Uber driver who has gone to gaol for rape had his visa cancelled some years ago but had the government's decision overturned on appeal. The AAT is backing illegal immigrants by overturning the Minister's decisions and should the Minister use his power of veto, there are other courts to which an appeal may be lodged. All of this legal posturing is costing the taxpayer and is supported by the bleeding hearts who try and convince us that these illegal immigrants deserve our support.

I accept that the decision to pay out the $90M was probably cheaper in the long run. The Courts' decisions in a lot of cases dealing with illegal immigrants seem to be made with the heart not with the facts presented. I wonder how any of us would fare if we travelled to Iran or Saudi Arabia and tried to cross the borders without visas. I'm willing to bet that we would be arrested and deported without any trial.
floss
15th Jun 2017
12:28pm
Illegal immigrants 70MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY. pensioners minus after the asset test has this country gone mad.
Rae
15th Jun 2017
2:00pm
It isn't $70 million of our money floss because we are in huge debt. It will be $70 million more foreign debt added to the several trillion we already owe.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
2:08pm
Was this amount mentioned in the May budget? I don not think so. Although the outcome of the case may not have been known at that time, the Governement should have accounted for this contingency in the 2017-2018 budget figures.

Most Western countries have severe and increasing debt and this IMO is intentional ( in the UK it is increasing at 5,000 pounds a second) to bring about a One World Government, with dire consequences for the people. Be warned.
floss
15th Jun 2017
12:30pm
Great comment Not a Bludger keep them coming.
Roses
15th Jun 2017
12:34pm
I applaud all of you who have made your feelings known, a pity that the government doesn't seem to listen! This country is too soft on illegals, not sure what message they are trying to send by making taxpayers foot the bill for something they don't agree with. We have already had cases of illegals who have been allowed into the community, going on to commit crimes. As one comment pointed out, the future terrorist and they are carrying a bag of our money! Please, Mr Turnbull, I am an honest ridgy didge Australian citizen on an aged pension, can I have a $70,000 reward for be a legal resident?
GrandmaKathleen22
15th Jun 2017
12:36pm
I knew this would provoke hateful comments. People seeking asylum are not illegals for a start. Imagine you are an asylum seeker. You are prepared to get into a leaky boat because the alternative is far worse. You risk your babies because you are so fearful.
The government quickly settled because they did not want a lot of information to become public.
Keeping the asylum seekers on Manus has been a huge waste of money as well as cruel.
Bringing them to Australia under supervision would have been far cheaper.
We are all human beings and global citizens before we are anything else.
It is not about 'us' and 'them' because it should be about 'we.'
I know I will be attacked for daring to state these truths.
What makes any one of us more entitled than another human being?!
Because we are so fortunate we need to have more compassion even if it is in just in the way we think and express ourselves.
Babies and children dying across the world and people being tortured and people surviving or not in war torn countries - these things are not their fault.
Amnesty International does not condone Australia's treatment of asylum seekers.
Knight Templar
15th Jun 2017
12:51pm
What thoughtless nonsense. Hate has got nothing to do with it.

Given that there are an estimated several hundred million people suffering poverty who would love to come to Australia as either refugees or economic migrants, at what point do you say enough is enough! Is 10 million enough, 50 million, 300 million? Where do you draw the line. There has to be a limit otherwise Australia itself becomes another third world country. Let's help them in their own countries - not destroy ours.

On a per capita basis we are the most generous migrant nation on earth.
Koj
15th Jun 2017
12:55pm
Quite a bit of bile and venom so far....
So charity is alright, so long as it is only for "US"
Australia has received a lot of the "world's troublemakers" over a long period of time. Ten pound poms, european economic refugees from WW2, vietnamese etc etc.
I guess there would be quite a few aged pensioners posting negatively above. The concept that "I paid tax all my life, now I'm entitled to a pension" is a bit faulted if you add up the numbers.
Those taxes paid all went to improve the australia they lived in... didn't they want the roads, the railways, the electricity, the gas, the housing etc etc. They spent the money that the current working generation can't- it goes into super.
It's the future generations that are paying the current pension liability. They are also paying for their own future retirement, with either/ both employer funded and self funded super.
So what's my bottom line? Sounds like a few folks getting zealously jealous about some "charity" funds being diverted, wot they would rather have in their pockets.
It's a tough life, and no doubt a lot of folks on the pension feel they are doing it tough. Everything is relative. My mum saved significantly on the pension starting with basically no money at all, but I'm not suggesting many folks live like she chose to. I like the occasional social beverage, eating out occasionally etc. If anyone on the pension smoked I can really imagine how that would squeeze the budget unless they had a friendly local chop chop supplier.
But back to the topic... a marked lack of humanity and charity by some posters above. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bombarding initiative politically driven... that style seems to have made its way into our life after the honourable Corey Bernardi travelled to USA to investigate alternate forms of politics.
Brissiegirl
15th Jun 2017
1:07pm
The Manus people travelled through several religious, cultural and socially compatible countries in order to force (pay) their way into Australia. They want to receive unearned benefits of western countries, but do not want to fit in to the western way of life and this we can see from the mess Europe has become. Their children are raised along the lines of their own vastly different religions and cultures. Grandma you obviously have no understanding of the reasons that countries have borders and why borders are protected. Immigration worked well post-WWII when western countries welcomed peace-loving refugees from similar cultures, religions and family values. That model worked well but it is not working now for a variety of reasons that are clear to most Australians. There was bad conduct occurring in the detention centres; rioting, fires, assaults - did we really want those types bringing their attitudes into Australia? And if you haven't seen the photographs of the muscle-bound men arriving at Nauru, I suggest you do some research. While you are there, have a good look at the women arrivals with their Gucci bags, fancy hair-do's and pre-arrival nose-jobs. They sure didn't look under nourished refugees. The entire immigration/refugee model needs re-thinking so that we only allow people to settle here who are a good potential fit with our way of life. And if you live in Melbourne I hope you don't own a business because some of our most recent imports have a habit of smashing doors and windows and assaulting hard working Australians in order to take what they want.
Paicey58
15th Jun 2017
1:08pm
I for one am not going to attack you grandma Kathleen.
You obviously have a very caring nature and a beautiful heart.

Unfortuanley I am worried, like most of the people in Australia, as to what will become of my country once anyone and everyone is allowed to just turn up to our borders and be allowed to stay.

We as a country have to be allowed to determine who we want here. We can't sustain all the masses of the world. There has to be some order to it or it will get out of control. I hope you can see that grandma Kathleen I really do.
Paicey58
15th Jun 2017
1:09pm
I for one am not going to attack you grandma Kathleen.
You obviously have a very caring nature and a beautiful heart.

Unfortuanley I am worried, like most of the people in Australia, as to what will become of my country once anyone and everyone is allowed to just turn up to our borders and be allowed to stay.

We as a country have to be allowed to determine who we want here. We can't sustain all the masses of the world. There has to be some order to it or it will get out of control. I hope you can see that grandma Kathleen I really do.
Brissiegirl
15th Jun 2017
1:12pm
Hi Koj, sorry sweetie, but the "bombarding initiative" tactic simply doesn't work any more. We have woken up, we don't like what we are seeing, and we are not taking it any more.
Old Man
15th Jun 2017
3:41pm
No, GrandmaKathleen22, those seeking asylum are not doing anything illegal. They are sitting in safe refugee camps waiting patiently for their requests to be considered and hoping for an approval and a quick resettlement. On the other hand, those who wish to ignore the system and try to enter a country without the correct paperwork, including visas, are doing so illegally. I think you will find that these people have been referred to as illegal immigrants and not as illegal refugees. Illegal immigrants are not welcome in Australia because some of them may pose a security risk.
Travelling Man
15th Jun 2017
4:21pm
Hey Granny Kate,
You're hallucinating and quite obviously haven't taken your medication today! Ring Lifeline urgently!
Theo1943
15th Jun 2017
4:24pm
Thank you Kathleen. Why on earth would we worry about a measly $100 million to get out of this mess? We spent $13.7 Billion on putting and keeping these people there illegally.

Australia, I'm ashamed.
ex PS
15th Jun 2017
4:33pm
GrandmaKath... at last some sanity, the fact is the governments (ALP and LNP) broke a law that they agreed to apply, now they are paying the price. Their Camp Followers are trying to defend the indefensible , they don't want people to realize that this government, by not fixing the problem created by the previous two governments has cost us tens of millions of dollars.
This is not a security issue, it is a vote issue, both political party's have worked out that the minority of Australians that agree with state sanctioned internment camps can deliver swinging seats.
Now all Australians are going to pay the price.
The extreme right think that they are in the majority because they have bullied the sane amongst us into keeping our thoughts to themselves.
I remind people who disagree with the governments policy of running internment camps in our name, "All that evil needs to prevail is for good people to stand by and do nothing."
Misty
15th Jun 2017
5:52pm
I think these religious wars between the different Muslims, Sheites and Sunni's will never be resolved, after all they have been goiing on for centuries, and they bring them to whatever country they seek refuge in, it would be far better for them to stay in their own countries and try to sort things out there. I watched a program on Chanel 9 called "The Jihadist next Door", and I was horrified that these Muslim radicals are allowed to stay in the UK and preach their hate on the streets, one said they owe no allegience to Her Majesty and the UK flag only the Muslim flag and want Sharia Law to be allowed in the UK as well as public floggings, that is not the sort of people we want living in Australia is it.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
6:05pm
@Misty.

In the UK to criticise (openly) Islam is now considered a hate crime ( whatever that means) . Yet muslims can say whatever they like about non-muslims. This attitude is common in many Western European Countries especially Sweden and Germany.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4604874/Durham-University-handed-books-encouraging-terrorism.html
Misty
15th Jun 2017
7:18pm
I agree with you Knight Templar, giving money, either through charity organisations or govt foreign aid to countries who are run by despots and tyrants is not on. it is spent on corrupt govts never got to where it was needed. Let their govts do the rebuilding, provide water and food , schooling and health where needed and then ask for the help to pay for them that way wed know our money will actually be put to good use. There is a story on channel 9 tonight about how our charity money is being used, or should I say sometimes abused.
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
10:54am
Untrue N, many of my UK family and friends criticize bad Muslim activity openly, not one has been approached and charged. I think you may mean unfair and racially motivated criticism, intended to cause violent activities.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
1:15pm
I am outraged by this decision and even moreso that our Government is going to pay these freeloaders without an appeal.

''There are very sound reasons for increasing our refugee intake. Consider that Germany takes in around one million per year compared to Australia’s 13,750. Instead of Germany asking its citizens to work until later in life to deal with its ageing population, as we are doing in Australia, its intake of refugees ensures an increase in the number of citizens in the right age profile so the economy continues to grow at a healthy rate"

Ben, you obvioulsy know very little about the situation in Germany. Merkel the dictator let these people into Germany without consulting the people. She had an open door policy which persist to this very day. It now turns out that most are not refugees by any meaning of the word. They are economic migrants looking for a generous welfare system to support them, work is the last thing they want. They are causing serious social problems in Germany as they are in other European countries. Australians certainly do not need or nor want people of this calibre foisted upon them knowing that the result will bring civil unrest. Most of them are muslims and they have no intention of assimilating in any Western society. Where muslims co-exist with non-muslims then conflict follows . Muslims are totaly incompatible with our society and Australia and indeed the West should ban any more immigration of muslims. Actually I would go further and say the ones that are already here should be repatriated to their country of origin. NO TO ISLAM IN AUSTRALIA.
shooter
15th Jun 2017
1:24pm
This bloody government has totally lost the plot. Did we invite these people to come to Australia? So why are we now responsible for their welfare? If it was up to me, I would have SUNK the bloody boats with them on them. Sink a couple and the rest won't come any more. We don't need their type of scum in this country, we are just importing terrorists. Before people start jumping up and down, think about this: the mongrel who bombed Manchester the other week was home grown; born and bred in the UK. Get rid of the lot of them and bulldoze every Islamic mosque and school!!!
GrandmaKathleen22
15th Jun 2017
1:34pm
So many incorrect statements! One is:
statement: Muslims never assimilate
This is not logical. Statement infers all Muslims which is not possible as there are differences within that group like any other. They nurse you in hospital, they teach your children and they tend you across the day without your even noticing!
I taught with a few years ago and when the end of Ramadan came they put on a feast for all the staff. Until that day I had not realised they were even Muslim. They did the same job as everyone else and in the same way. They were pleasant and easy going. Same applies to all the other work done by Muslims who are a mere 2% of Australian society.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
1:37pm
Part of their brainwashing and that of our Globalist Government. Go to Europe and find out the truth.
jackyd
15th Jun 2017
2:51pm
With you to a point Grandma but you see it all one way with a soft touch.
Correct not all Muslims are incapable of assimilation, the issue is with the texts of Islamic indoctrination followed by most Muslims and with that is the real problem. With us or against us, no in between. That must work both ways until Islam is reformed and only then can East meet West.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
3:00pm
Jackyd Islam has not reformed in more than a millenium and today it is more rigid than ever. Islam is a way of life a political governance to which adherents of the party must obey. Yes some may give the impression of assimilating but their beliefs hold them to Islam and they will never relinquish that belief.
jackyd
15th Jun 2017
3:13pm
nie....I understand your view but there are a number of Muslim leaders sticking their heads above the trenches and saying exactly as i have described and they need total support if ever this abhorrent ideology can ever coexist within and beyond Islam, otherwise look forward to another 1400 years of bloody conflict.
Roses
15th Jun 2017
3:29pm
Sorry, Grandma, 2% is 1.99% too many.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
3:33pm
Roses, exactly, can we round it up to 2%!!!!!!!!!!
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
8:01am
You put up a good case Grandma, I have seen the same things you have and agree. But you offer facts and first hand experience and evidently that is not enough to make people reconsider opinions that have had a chance to become deep seated.
Maybe if those who are so sure that all Muslims are the incarnation of evil can give us some first hand examples, as you did of the terrible atrocities that have been perpetrated on them personally by this Muslim menace, we will better understand their viewpoint.
buby
17th Jun 2017
8:26pm
and are you aware, Kathleen, they are in our hospitals, now, and our own nurses are being run ragged, cause the muslims are off praying and off during the day, I think thats just not ON! there is so much you need to find out before you talk of the niceties. Sure they can be nice just like anybody else, but often you don't see what else is happening cause you are blinded by the niceties?
ex PS
19th Jun 2017
7:56am
Yes Grandma, beware of people being nice, it has to be a trap, better off associating with the hate groups, at least you know where you stand with them.
My wife who works in Aged Care tells me that these people who are lurking around the premises being nice are the best workers they have and are adored by the residents. They seem to have an ingrained respect for their elders and a natural bent towards kindness for the infirm.
As for being off praying, these times are set and are easily managed as they are predictable, unlike smoke breaks and sneaky little coffee breaks that are indulged in by others. In fact many of "these people" actually trade off their prayer time for smokos breaks, even though they do not have to.
Thank heaven for the niceties, may they never die out.
BtL
15th Jun 2017
1:36pm
The case was about the cruel treatment of vulnerable people and Australia’s responsibility for it. The massive settlement is confirmation that Australia is an embarrassment as regards human rights.
Dutton had to settle because firstly Australia was likely to lose and secondly its mistreatment would have been examined in great detail with the court having access to damning material which Australia would not want made public.
Further, Dutton can blame Labor for the increase in the number of refugees but the inhumane treatment continued while the LNP was in power.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
1:41pm
What inhumane treatment? they should be thankful they have roof over their head plus all the other benefits. Just put them all on a plane and dump them in a muslim country where they belong. Don't want them anywhere near me.
KSS
15th Jun 2017
1:43pm
Inhumane treatment that included better health services than many remote towns have in Australia, freedom to live and mix with the local people, to come and go on the island with minimal or no restriction........
Aussie
15th Jun 2017
3:01pm
Come on BtL .... STOP DREAMING AND COME DOWN TO REALITY ..... WHAT INHUMANE TREATMENT????? . Come out from the hole you live in and look at the realities as KSS just say they get a lot while we Australian pensioners that work so hard for many years have to consider to move out to another country to live ..... but they get a full support including HOME, MONEY, FULL ASSISTANCE and more and more but us Aussies get shit in comparison.

Sorry but I am very PO about this 70 Millions
Knight Templar
15th Jun 2017
3:23pm
Australian soldiers in the Middle East frequently live in far worse conditions than the Manus refugees. As do many sailors having to contend with very limited and almost no personal space on warships and particularly in submarines. As for Australia being embarrassed over its human rights record - perhaps BtL might like to compare Australia with Saudi Arabia which has permanent accommodation in Mecca for millions of pilgrims especially during the Hajj and the Umrah but Saudi Arabia refuses to accept any Middle Eastern refugees let alone those from Africa.

It's time for social justice warriors who criticise Australia to demonstrate that their sanctimonious beliefs, virtue signalling and principles are not biased. Perhaps they can prove how strongly they believe in universal human rights by airing their displeasure in Riyadh. I'm sure King Salman would appreciate their visit!
Liverpool Anne
16th Jun 2017
10:34am
I wouldn't mind being detained. 3 square meals a day, great healthcare, phone card, television, computer, a decent bed. And I bet there are many many more Aussies on the breadline who would appreciate the care. The places the detainees come from don't even have a smattering of the above, no wonder they come.
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
8:27am
Yes Btl, the Australian Government is very proud of the way it is treating these people. That is why they won't let anyone anywhere near them. It is solely because this government is concerned about their well being and doesn't want the nasty media or human rights people to disturb them. And they don't allow staff to comment on what is really going on there.
The fact is, you don't try and hide something that you are not ashamed of.
We see a lot of claims about how well the Refugees are treated, but since no one but the government representatives are allowed there I can not see how they could possibly know.
They could be relaying information passed on by the government, but as this is a government that turned an incident where Refugees gave a hungry child food out in the open in clear view of the public, into a child molestation accusation, I would not feel such information would be of much value.
Those who compare camp conditions with life in a war zone lived by soldiers have never served under those conditions or they would not make such silly comparisons. Like those who put up the argument that country A is better than country B therefore it must be good. What they are in fact saying is WWII Germany was bad, WWII Italy was better, therefore Italy was good, doesn't quite make sense when you think of it.
At the end of the day wrong is always wrong, it does not really matter what excuses you invent or how much sugar you sprinkle on it, or what colour you paint it, you can not hide the intent, the bad taste or the image.
AutumnOz
17th Jun 2017
10:44am
ex PS, I think you have forgotten that neither Manus Island or Nauru are under our (Australian) control. Our politicians and journalists have to have the permission of either PNG or Nauru before they can go to these places, they are also reliant on information being sent to them about riots, criminal acts etc.
Check it out.

Manus Island
Manus Island is part of Manus Province in northern Papua New Guinea and is the largest of the Admiralty Islands. It is the fifth-largest island in Papua New Guinea with an area of 2,100 km2 (810 sq mi) measuring around 100 km × 30 km (60 mi × 20 mi). According to the 2000 census, the whole Manus Province had a population of 43,387, rising to 50,321 as of 2011 Census. Lorengau, the capital of Manus Province, is located on the island. Momote Airport, the terminal for Manus Province, is located on nearby Los Negros Island. A bridge connects Los Negros Island to Manus Island and the province capital of Lorengau. In addition to its resident population, asylum seekers have been relocated here from Australia between 2001–2004 and since 2012.

Smartphone moviefilmed in secret shows life in Manus Island detention centre
The Sydney Morning Herald •

US to notify Manus Island detainees about their fate within six weeks
The Sydney Morning Herald •


Nauru
The Republic of Nauru is the world's smallest island nation with a population of just under 10000 inhabitants.
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
11:05am
AutomnOz, sound reasoning but still a cop out. It is the Australian government that has made it an offence for Australians working in these places to report or talk about conditions in these camps. It is the Australian government who set the parameters and guidelines as to how the Contractors administer these places. It is the Australian government that pays the Contractors.
Therefore they are not reliant on these nations for information. They just don't want to know, they want to be able to say down the track, "It's not my fault, I did not know what was really going on, nobody told me." The good old Nazi war crime defense, it didn't work then and it will not work now.
The countries are not under their control, but the internment camps are, otherwise what right have we to put the refugees there in the first place?
KSS
15th Jun 2017
1:40pm
Based on 2016 figures:

Population Germany: 80,682,351. Population Australia: 24,000,000. Refugee migration to Germany = approx 0.0125% of the existing population (based on the 1m in the article). Refugee migration to Australia = 0.0583% (the 13750 in the article).

Tell me again who is accepting more people? I'd say Australia is accepting approximately 4.5 times the numbers based on the existing population's ability to absorb them into society. Australia is doing it's bit. And a big bit at that!
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
1:53pm
Not one oil-rich muslim countries has taken any so-called refugees. Reason given the fear of terrorism. Yet Australia and other Western countries are expected to do so and put our own people at severe threat and risk of terrorists attacks. So many Africans( muslims) are being shipped to Italy by NGO's and Governments in Europe from Libya. It is quite obvious a Government(s) organised invasion and to hell with the local population. Same in Australia thousand upon thousands are still getting into Australia through similar Government organised intervention. All this mass migration of muslims into Western countries is a UN mandate, and has nothing to do with the so-called refugee crisis. IT IS INTENTIONAL.
Theo1943
15th Jun 2017
4:34pm
Not sure where you went to school KSS. In the school I went to 1M/80M = 1.12%. 16750/24000000 = .058%.

Would you like to rephrase your statement about which country is accepting more people?
Theo1943
15th Jun 2017
4:37pm
Sorry KSS Mistype 1.25% for Germany. Only 22 times our effort.
Theo1943
15th Jun 2017
7:37pm
KSS. Cat got your tongue?
Fready
15th Jun 2017
1:49pm
How our Governments (both persuasions) waste taxpayers' funds. Each of these illegal immigrants will receive about $35,000 after we have already spent some $400,000 on each of them to establish and staff the Manus Island facility. This compares with an annual salary in their country of origin of $500 . What message does this send to others in their countries of origin.
We donated $100 million to the USA to take these intruders. Where does it end with our weak politicians.
I liken these illegal immigrants to someone arriving on my doorstep with no papers and saying "I have never contributed to your home and probably never will but you have an obligation to house and feed me and provide me with an income". We should simply turn the boats back.
We are however, very constrained by our involvement with the United Nations.
Radish
15th Jun 2017
2:34pm
Next election make sure you vote for Bill Shorten....the boats will start up again!!
Misty
15th Jun 2017
6:04pm
What rot Radish, Labor voters and the rest of Australia would never allow it again, political suicide if they did.
Radish
17th Jun 2017
8:46pm
I personally wrote to Kevin Rudd asking the question directly about this subject and I was assured our borders would be protected.

I do not believe for one minute that Labor with the support of Greens would nor let them in. Once bitten twice shy.!!

I do not trust a politican's word at all.
niemakawa
17th Jun 2017
11:55pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4611300/Sweden-sees-sharp-rise-violent-Islamist-extremists.html#comments

Another fine mess because of muslims.
Aussie
15th Jun 2017
2:32pm
Hurrayyyyy for the foreign people that come on the boats ...Yeahhhh giving everything ... Why not ..This is Australia Mate we give and give and give ....

So Stuff Australians that are struggling every day, Homeless Australians, Older Australians ...Yeahhh forget us ... give all to them.

This government is totally F...... and continue killing us Australians that work so hard to build the country now we just so good and religious that we just give and give .... and forget about our needs.

Giving is Ok but for God say ..... AUSSIES FIRST >>>STUPID GOVERNMENT .... F... YOU ALL

Sorry for bad language but how else can I express my anger ???? 70 Million can help a lot of people in Australia ..... and repair budget figures ... This people have their brains on the back side
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
2:41pm
You have a right to be angry , and you have expressed in your own way, nothing wrong with that.

I am too very very angry at the stupidity of our Government. If it has any ounce of feeling for Australians then it should just refuse to pay this exorbitant settlement, and get on with what it should be doing looking after Australians.

There is no mention of the amount paid to Slater and ... for their fees. Probably about the same figure, would not surprise.

The whole excercise by these illegals is a form of blackmail and they should be turfed out and sent packing. As for Slater & ... a bunch of leeches sucking the blood out of Australians.
jackyd
15th Jun 2017
2:56pm
$20,000,000 to the S&G.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
3:09pm
@jackyd, so all up 90 million out of the taxpayers coffers. Sure as hell the illegals will not be paying from their reward. I missed the part about the 20 mil in the article.

Angry angry angry.

The Government is going to pay dearly for this abomination.
jackyd
15th Jun 2017
3:25pm
nie..we are all angry and every finger points to the horrible Malcolm Turnbull. What a back stabbing disaster he is!
I see you support PH but she is a political goose.
Consider Corey Bernardi, he talks our talk, cheers!
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
3:31pm
jackyd. Corey may have to wait a while. I will give him some thought nonetheless as well as ALA. Yes Malcolm is a UN stooge as is the opposition leader Shorten. They will sell Australia down the river without a care.

But most of all it is the Australian people who vote for them who must take the blame.
Frank
15th Jun 2017
5:09pm
Aussie you need to know who put those refugees there in the first place. Sure the bill for cleaning up ALP/Greens mess is hard to swallow, but abusing the cleaner is stupidity.
ex PS
15th Jun 2017
6:56pm
Frank your bias is showing, these mugs have had four years to correct this, and did absolutely nothing. If this mob was cleaning for me I would sack them. actually I think I will.
fred
15th Jun 2017
2:40pm
this has happened due to weak left leaning politicians both present PM Turnbull and past PM's Rudd amd Gillard . The only one person to have any guts and plain common sense and stopped the illegal entry to or foreshores by these parasites was PM Tony Abbott . We can also thank the gutless 45 or more politicans who voted him out as well the hate media including the ABC That who you can thank directly then add the voters who back them
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
2:52pm
Mr Abbot was replaced with the help of the UN, as he did not fit in with their agenda. Same happened in Canada with the election of Trudeau, the previous Government was disliked by the UN.

Australia is sinking fast and unless people start to wake up from their slumber then it is game over.

Despite what people may think of Pauline Hanson ( I vote for her party) she cares deeply about this Country first and foremost. There is another party making ground, ALA ,with a similar manifesto.

The whole political landscape in Australia needs a complete shake up. Libs/Lab/Greens all Globalists in their structure supporting the UN in its drive towards a OWG. They are the enemy within and traitors to the Australian people and our values.
Aussie
15th Jun 2017
2:53pm
Well I have to agree with you in this point .... I am not a LIB supported and I do not like their policies but some are good and this Abbott decision gets my support for sure.
jackyd
15th Jun 2017
2:53pm
Exactly!
Theo1943
15th Jun 2017
7:42pm
OMG! The Abbott sacking was a UN conspiracy. I thought nobody could stand him anymore.

When the US had George W in charge I thought, How embarrassing to have a person like that in charge. Then we go Tony, and I cringed.

Now they've got Trump but we can probably do worse.
Dutton for PM!
Theo1943
15th Jun 2017
7:50pm
Pauline Hanson cares deeply...... about Pauline Hanson.
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
8:44am
Funny one day the UN is ineffectual and is not worth being part of, the next, it has the power to replace world leaders. Wonder which one it is?
I used to have time for Pauline, until she became an opportunist, in it for the money only. In effect, she turned into a politician.
I am hearing the term Left Leaning .... so often now I am starting to take it as a compliment. Yes I will consider voting for a Left Leaner, it seems like a good alternative to a Right Racist, Rat, Raver, or Reptile, sorry that's all I could come up with this time of the day. At the end of it all it is just a meaningless label.
Aussie
15th Jun 2017
2:41pm
After this commitment of $70 Millions I start understanding Trump policy about foreign people coming into USA and his refugee agenda ...... maybe we need to copy and maybe we will be better because this government slogan is simple .......

"Anybody in the world First then the leftovers for Australians" ... well you guys vote for them hope we all learn a lesson after last election .....
Robin Hood
15th Jun 2017
2:55pm
So disappointing to hear so many negative opinions from seniors. Some of us are old enough to remember Germany's concentration camps and their appalling conditions...the standards we walk by are the ones we accept. We should never have set up off shore detention, it was always Australia's responsibility not another 3rd world country's.

A settlement would not have been reached if the government thought it had a snow ball's change in hell of not having to pay compensation once challenged by law. International law has acknowledge that the off shore detention centres are illegal.

Sure Labor set them up - but the Liberals have gone along with that arrangements - both as bad as one another, sorry to say.

Yes the boats needed to be stopped, but not at any cost which as it turned out is mainly to us as tax payers.

Lets financially support more refuge centre in Indonesia and put more pressure on the Indonesians to stop the boats someone is getting a back- hander to keep them going.

There is enough hated in the world - let us oldies who should know better add to that.

Peace on earth etc...
jackyd
15th Jun 2017
3:00pm
Get your facts and reasoning right and you would not be so disappointed!
Nazism?????
Robin Hood
15th Jun 2017
4:42pm
The facts are, the off shore detention centres are illegal according to international law; the reported conditions in the detention centres are inhumane and these conditions were sited in the court and were not disputed by the government; the billions paid out by our government could have been put to better use both at home and in overseas aid, which by the way helps to keep Australia safe;

Hitler put people in concentration camps claiming that was needed to keep Germany 'safe' and the Germany race pure. We put people in detention centre to stop the boats...

My disappointment comes from the vitriol that has been expressed in some of the comments. Maybe all the more thoughtful oldies are out doing there shopping.
ex PS
15th Jun 2017
4:49pm
Robin Hood, unfortunately anyone who tries to stand up for the right thing on this site is quite quickly beaten down. There are certain people who are pro concentration camp that will do anything to stifle free speech. Reminds me of Germany in the 1930's.
Those that tell us to get our facts right have selective memories to put it in a charitable light.
The fact is it would have been far cheaper to process these people on the Mainland, but there were no votes in that for either side.
All evil needs..........
Misty
15th Jun 2017
10:46pm
It might have been cheaper ex PS but would it have been safer?, we don't know how many terrorists may be hiding under the guise of being a refugee, you only have to look at what happened in Europe to wonder if the same thing could not happen here. I am sorry if that sounds cynical or paranoid but recent happenings have changed my attitude to a lot of things.
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
8:30am
Why would Terrorists enter the country as Refugees, it is easier and safer to fly in on a in on a tourist visa. I think you will find that most recent acts of terrorism have been carried out by people who have lived and been educated in the country where they committed the crime.
I would be quite sure that not one of the people on Manus Island were interested in harming Australia, before we locked them up without charge and trial that is.
I should have said cheaper, more efficient and more humane, my mistake.
Misty
16th Jun 2017
2:40pm
I don't agree ex PS as I said before but maybe you didn't take it in, you only have to look at what has happened in Europe to see the havoc that has been caused after the refugees flooded in the last few years. I have nothing against refugees just those of a special religion that owes no alliegence to the country, the flag and the way of life of the country they want to stay in. As you say, terrorists have lived and been educated in the country where they committed the crime, but I bet I know what religion they support, says it all.
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
7:53am
Misty agree with you 100%, those who owe no allegiance to the country, the flag and the way of life should be kept out. But that means most of them should be allowed to stay. That also means quite a few white, christian, third or fourth generation Australians should be kicked out, as they have displayed the same contempt for their own country.
I see that I am fighting a losing battle, not that I think I am wrong, but the feelings are so strong on this matter it is almost impossible to change a persons opinion. A lot of good people have taken a stand on different sides of this argument and I can't say that all of those who are opposed to my view are bad.
I will continue to say what I feel I have to say about the subject, and I will try not to denigrate those who have a differing opinion.
At least my conscience will be opaque, if not clear.
Cheezil61
15th Jun 2017
3:52pm
That $70mil could've gone to the OAP's that are struggling to make ends meet & fighting to stay on or over the poverty line! A damn disgrace!
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
3:59pm
Get to the back of the queue, you are Australian and do not count.!!!!!!!!!
Theo1943
15th Jun 2017
7:46pm
Yes Cheezil61. Give the $70 Million to the pensioners. They will get a one off payment of $35 each.

I will happily donate my $35 to the people our government illegally detained and tortured.
Misty
15th Jun 2017
9:58pm
But were they illegally detained/, not if they are not genuine refugees who should have stayed at the first safe country they came to and who says they were tortured Theo1943, do you have positive proof?.
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
10:38am
Misty, you can't get proof if no one is allowed near the place, I wonder why that is? Again, only a few of these people were proven to be not genuine Refugees, that information came from the government.
It was very hard to get proof of what Hitler was doing too, did that mean that it did not happen?
I would say that being locked up without knowing what the crime is and not being told when you are getting out is pretty close to torture myself. Just watching my family going through such a thing to me would be torture.
The very fact that practically none of these people have caved in and chosen to go back says a lot to me.
Sundays
15th Jun 2017
3:59pm
I think the lesson here is to deal with Assylum seekers quickly and humanely. Not let them languish for years in a detention centre. Process them, settle them here or send them back. There are plenty of stories of mistreatment of refugees in these places. If the Government didn't have plenty to hide why have they kept what is happening so secret.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
4:02pm
The Government is following the dictate of the UN. Australia must leave this treacherous dysfunctional organisation of the elite if it is to have any hope.
ex PS
15th Jun 2017
4:16pm
Wake up people, you can't just apply the laws that you like, justice is for everyone. Don't blame the victims for the unlawful behavior of the Australian Governments. How many of you complainers are on record as having remonstrated against our neighboring countries for not respecting natural justice.
The fact is, successive Australian governments have broken the law and are now paying the price. Many fair minded people saw this coming and tried to warn them, but they wanted to use these people to win elections. They have learned that you can not transfer your responsibilities to act humanely to another country. They are wrong and they know it otherwise they would not have settled.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
4:27pm
You are wrong. These people entered or attempted to enter illegally . They were in a safe country at the time, but wanted to settle here for the benefits of free housing free medical care free education and most of all not having to lift a finger to make a contribution to tehir care. The Government must appeal this ridiculous judgement and not hand over one cent until having done so. Australia has no obligation, morally, humanely or otherwise to provide anyhting to these freeloaders.
ex PS
15th Jun 2017
4:42pm
Sorry niemakawa, the government can't appeal the judgement, they settled out of court in other words they acknowledged that they could not win. It is a done deal. The government took responsibility for these people the day they decided it was OK to ignore their legal and human rights and lock them up without a charge or a trial.
The government has been asked repeatably to provide evidence of which laws have been broken for years, so far it has not been able to provide one. Now the taxpayers have to pay the price for their incompetence.
Australia was not forced to sign up to the laws it has broken. it signed willingly, it can not back out just because it suits them.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
5:00pm
Maybe they cannot appeal, but they do not have to hand over one cent. What will happen if they do not?? The Government is doing so because they have been ordered by the UN to pay these freeloaders. Our Government treating us with contempt.

Get out of the UN and we will be richer and much safer.
Theo1943
15th Jun 2017
5:31pm
niemakawa, yes it's terrible how all these refugee rules have been foisted upon us by the UN, Actually by a particular person the the UN who should be named. He was the UN Secretary at the time that he introduced and championed these rules which were accepted by most of the civilised world, of which we were and are a part.

The man's name? He was known as Doc Evatt, an Australian. You can read about him here https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjB-umQqr_UAhWBPJQKHZwuDwsQFggyMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fadb.anu.edu.au%2Fbiography%2Fevatt-herbert-vere-bert-10131&usg=AFQjCNGNFHjAmhq2xC3syDhXVPWW-vlmEA
Theo1943
15th Jun 2017
5:39pm
Try
The Australian who led the fight for human rights
http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=2912

Just don't expect to see your name there.

Happy reading.
ex PS
15th Jun 2017
6:59pm
If we refuse to pay we will be treated just like any other country that denies people their human rights I suppose. And we will deserve it.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
10:59pm
exPS you are talking out of your hat. China apparently is accused of HR abuses yet it is our biggest trading partner. I assume that you do not buy any goods made in China.

So you support anyone coming here who claim that their HR have been denied elsewhere. Please say yes or no.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
10:59pm
exPS you are talking out of your hat. China apparently is accused of HR abuses yet it is our biggest trading partner. I assume that you do not buy any goods made in China.

So you support anyone coming here who claim that their HR have been denied elsewhere. Please say yes or no.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
10:59pm
exPS you are talking out of your hat. China apparently is accused of HR abuses yet it is our biggest trading partner. I assume that you do not buy any goods made in China.

So you support anyone coming here who claim that their HR have been denied elsewhere. Please say yes or no.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
10:59pm
exPS you are talking out of your hat. China apparently is accused of HR abuses yet it is our biggest trading partner. I assume that you do not buy any goods made in China.

So you support anyone coming here who claim that their HR have been denied elsewhere. Please say yes or no.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
10:59pm
exPS you are talking out of your hat. China apparently is accused of HR abuses yet it is our biggest trading partner. I assume that you do not buy any goods made in China.

So you support anyone coming here who claim that their HR have been denied elsewhere. Please say yes or no.
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
8:33am
YES. Ask a silly question you get a silly answer.
grub
15th Jun 2017
4:53pm
My husband & I are dinky di Aussies, we have worked all our lives & are now on the pension,we are madly saving for a little BOAT the way Australia is going is very sad we are bowing to these people & it has to stop. What about the Grandchildren?
With this money they are receiving are they going to pay for the damages they did in the riots?
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
5:04pm
They will probably receive medals for the damage they caused.
Frank
15th Jun 2017
5:05pm
Yes grub, it doesn't seem right does it? Another case where the naughty people get the chocolates.
JAID
15th Jun 2017
5:02pm
:-) this one has the thinking running along pretty similar lines. If we were a ship we would capsize. I agree that citizens decide who comes here and in accepting UN thinking on this we do agree to provide safe haven. My concern is that it seems to take so long to decide whether people have a valid call for assylum. If ones claim is valid in relation to our laws and undertakings then can't we get on and let them live normal lives here. If not, then deliver them back home or anywhere else they are able to go. Presently, if there is a serious threat to their safety most of the criteria for validity are satisfied.

There should be another option available. Temporary asylum. By taking many people in we rob their own country of people they may have spent effort schooling, training and caring for. When safety returns it would often be better all round that they return and contribute. Meanwhile, except where individuals may represent an unreasonable risk why can't they live, work and play on special temporary visas within the Australian community?

The coalition stopped much death and the risks associated with trafficking humans by stopping the boats. That is good and it came about partly because of off-shore detainment but it should at worst be a very short-term measure as it is pretty clear these places have often been mentally if not physically damaging. That is not our humanity. The challenge is to find a mechanism which ensures any inflow is at a sustainable level and any curb to freedom is minimised while we remain the neighbours we might hope others were should we be in need.

Temporary protection visas which enable freedom of movement and compatible activty can be one part of that. Providing the United Nations with latitude to protect people directly in locations where they can put pressure on their home countries for appropriate change would be a stronger one. Their liberty requires temporary statehood and absolute security. Their neighbours deserve better than to be swamped and to be faced by burdens beyond their capacity.

The impost here pales into insignificance compared with that which the likes of Turkey must bear at the moment. Turkey does that with a degree of equanimity that could hardly be expected. We don't have to give so much but we should be hard at work developing the structures which can share the loads more equitably, ensure safety and promote fulfilled lives.
bandy
15th Jun 2017
5:11pm
Guys we have no-one to blame but our selves we continually vote back in politicians who dont seem to be able to make sound decisions & it amazes me that every thing is sorted out with tax payers money wit no questions asked who stuffed up in the first place & so it goes on nothing seems to really change.So Im with Roses on this one $70,000 would be great
Happily retired early
15th Jun 2017
5:13pm
Dumb and dumber, Australia wake up. They were told repeatedly don't come. Then they get to Manus, free medical, get their teeth fixed, food and lodging and then we give them a bonus payment as well. They should be getting a bill for expenses and then pay Australia compensation.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
5:16pm
Put them on a plane and send them whence they came. Not wanted in Australia.These [people are not refugees, just freeloaders. We have enough of that kind already.
floss
15th Jun 2017
5:42pm
A solution to our problem, give the country back to the original people .Let the Arabs run the show. Let the Chinese finance the whole mess, I am out of here heading for N.Z where they still have some pride in their country.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
5:48pm
The British, the founders of modern Australia, ( the previous bunch did nothing) would be welcome back in the Old Dart as reinforcement for the return Britian to the Britons cause.
Misty
15th Jun 2017
5:56pm
I just hope this isn't going to open the floodgates for more refugees claiming cruelty, poor living conditions etc.
P$cript
15th Jun 2017
7:06pm
Only if the Government continues mistreating the refugees.
Misty
15th Jun 2017
9:55pm
But are they true refugees or economic migrants who paid people smugglers to come here instead of getting off at the first safe haven?.
ex PS
19th Jun 2017
8:05am
Economic migrants usually come by plane, just ask one of the thousands who are already here. Misty I would love to hear what your definition of a real Refugee is, if you are discounting cruelty and poor living conditions? Especially if you take into account your children being rounded up and forced to kill other children as a poor living condition.
floss
15th Jun 2017
6:21pm
This is only the start there is a lot more to come , by being weak on this one they say the flood gates will really open.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
6:32pm
Absolutely.
Brissiegirl
15th Jun 2017
7:30pm
There are some ME countries that refuse to accept the very same "refugees" that travel through compatible countries on their way to the west. When they force their way into western countries, they set about changing the prevailing laws and cultures to exactly what they "ran away" from. For their numbers (supposedly 2.2% of our population), islamic immigrants are an extremely forceful cohort: they are over-represented as television guests, (tokenism) they are over-represented in news stories, they are over-represented and over-publicised as sporting identities, they are over-represented as advocates to the three levels of government. They even have special representation in our military. We should ask ourselves why one group is always yelling and screaming as opposed to others who have no demands. Compare their continual self promotion with the 2.1% of our Buddhist population inconspicuously going about their lives, practising their religion with no association whatsoever with powerful religious teachings seriously incompatible with the Australian way of life. One of the most contemptuous things about people in their assessment of the "rights" of illegals is the insufferably morally vain "virtue signalling" habit. It is appalling that people feel good indirectly defending conduct (abuse of children within their own ranks whilst in detention, and yes, people who have worked in those centres will, in frank moments, be speak graphically about the conduct of men in those places) abhorrent to Australians but stop and ask yourselves when that 2.2% gets to 5% and the 5% gets to 10% will you not feel ashamed that you didn't want to heed what was coming and that your false expressions of moral superiority about so-called asylum seekers were placed above your duty to help stop the rot before it became irreversible. No. The average do-gooder is so personally invested in transparently self-righteous nonsense he/she is disinterested in whether or not his/her prevailing culture and way of life even survives over the longer term. No-one felt threatened with post WWII refugees but what has happened since the 1970's bears no resemblance to those peaceful people and cultures. Times have changed so policies will have to change.

Think or thwim. I would prefer to think so that the next generation won't be swimming against the tide.
Roses
15th Jun 2017
7:47pm
Brissiegirl, here, here.
I think the argument against the topic has won.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
9:13pm
You have summed it up beautifully.

Islam is totally incompatiblke with Western society values. No ifs or buts.

Wherever they set foot then conflict rears its ugly head. Look at Western Europe, the Phillipines, Russia, Malaysia, anywhere there political dogma has taken root.

Notably Japan is one country that will not accept muslims, yet Australia says nothing or condemns them for taking such action. Something to do with trade I suspect.

Libs/Lab/Greens. all Globalists and care not about Australia as a nation or its people.

Globalists want Islam to be the guiding political force in the West.
Crimmo
15th Jun 2017
8:54pm
Forget about 'first country of asylum'. Get your hand off your dick and address the real issue. Offshore processing and detention was always a disgrace and international embarrassment. If the politicians acted illegally from the start, then they should pay the compensation out of their own pocket.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
9:02pm
The real issue is that fraudsters, the illegal immigrants , are running rings around Governments, and not only in Australia. They should never be allowed to enter Australia or our Government provide a secure place for them offshore. Just send them back, they are not by any stretch of the imagination refugees.

Those on Manus Island think they may have won, but their day of reckoning will come soon enough.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
9:02pm
The real issue is that fraudsters, the illegal immigrants , are running rings around Governments, and not only in Australia. They should never be allowed to enter Australia or our Government provide a secure place for them offshore. Just send them back, they are not by any stretch of the imagination refugees.

Those on Manus Island think they may have won, but their day of reckoning will come soon enough.
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
11:16am
The fraudsters and illegal immigrants are all ready here, they came by plane. We locked up mostly innocent people who were not dishonest enough to figure out the best way in is to act illegally. It doesn't matter how many times people say it, it is still not illegal to seek Asylum in Australia.
Have you actually looked at the people in Manus, I mean looked at and actually seen them, as humans? Do they all look like criminal masterminds to you.
How many times do you have to be told, even the government is telling us that most of these people are legitimate Refugees.
Do you think they are lying about this? Surely it would be in their best interest to say so if they were all faking?
It would certainly change my point of view.
Tib
15th Jun 2017
9:22pm
I understand everyone's concern, but I see a lot of racism in some of the comments. I personally find our country's treatment of the refugees offensive and we as a country should hang our head in shame.
From my understanding It's not only shameful but it's also a ridiculous waste of money. All this pain and suffering and financial waste so this dead head government can say " We stopped the Boats", and keep their miserable jobs. I hope they all rot in hell for their part in this. They don't represent me.
niemakawa
15th Jun 2017
9:28pm
These intruders and fraudsters were not tortured they are taking advantage of our weak political and judicial system.

I am not ashamed as these people must not be allowed to set foot on Australian soil, let alone recieve any compensation for perceived mistreatment.

This Government does not represent me either and I am ashamed that they even considered paying these freeloaders a cent.

.
Brissiegirl
15th Jun 2017
9:54pm
Racism? Has nothing to do with this subject. Australians are not racists. However we do have a common sense right to discriminate in favour of compatible cultures that will not continually cause trouble. It is a waste of time nowadays attempting to shame, embarrass or shut down opinions about fake asylum seekers and the broader topic of immigration by slating dissenters as "racists". That tactic just doesn't work any more. What those who advocate for more of what we have had dished up should do, is go to an immigrant community centre and offer your home as a refuge - say for 3-4 years. Pay to educate, feed, clothe and pay medical expenses for 2 or more. Then your friends and neighbours will know you are sincere. Actions, not words. Let those who advocate for these racketeers and their paid people smugglers, pay the price.
Tib
15th Jun 2017
9:55pm
I don't think 70 m is enough perhaps they should double it for the amount of money we are spending on keeping them locked up we could buy them a luxury appartment in Sydney and still be better off.
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
8:49am
Brissiegirl, even the government admits that a very small percentage of those on Manus are not legitimate Refugees.
I think the tactics are working just fine, look at the out of court settlement. The government settled out of court because it new it could not win the case, what does that tell you?
Discriminate in favor of compatible cultures, sounds racist to me.
Eddy
15th Jun 2017
11:09pm
Having read most of the comments above there is a wide disparity of views expressed which to my mind is good, shows we are still able to disagree without resorting to violence. Nevertheless the question is WHY our political masters chose to settle for close to $90M (ie $70M in compensation and $20M in legal fees). There are only two plausible answers, !. the government knew they had a weak case and would lose anyway or 2. there are secrets the government wants to keep hidden from us which would be exposed if the case went to court. I tend to think it is the latter.
It is no good vilifying the lawyers, they are performing a critical function in our democracy by keeping the government accountable. By the way, has this settlement affected the Sl;ater & Gordon share price?
ex PS
19th Jun 2017
8:13am
If I am ever in trouble I would prefer a firm like S& G working for me, those who deride them just don't understand the legal system. If the government had a case they would have fought it, in the past they have spent millions fighting shaky cases just to prevent a precedent being set. I believe that this is the real reason they caved in on this occasion.
If this case had gone to court and been lost, the evidence given might have led to the closer look at other activities engaged in like turning the boats around and forcefully taking people off boats and interning them. As it should be, the government would be embarrassed to have the full extent of it's activities exposed to the world.
FEDUP
16th Jun 2017
3:56am
Would have been cheaper to have sent them straight back to their homeland, via Qantas, First Class, in the first place.
Now I suppose that they will be given upgraded access to Australia, because they have financial means now.
But they will all still be entitled to "Refugee Status" over payments.
This is a complete joke.
niemakawa
16th Jun 2017
4:27am
It is intentional on the part of the Government, the opposition and the Greens, all globalists that want and support the UN manefesto of a OWG.

Be warned and vote for a party that has Australia, its people and values at the core. Libs/Lab/Greens will sell us down the river, of that there is no doubt.
Jan
16th Jun 2017
6:51am
The comments on this article are horrible. Are Australians really this nasty and lacking in compassion for our fellow humans?
Brissiegirl
16th Jun 2017
8:03am
Jan you are making a subjective judgment. Australians are not nasty and lacking in compassion for fellow humans, they are merely interested in looking after our own first. We have a large homeless community. Many of us are concerned that uncontrolled immigration (illegals, incompatibles) will do to our country what they have done to Europe where there are way too many cases of women being assaulted and raped in countries where males have, on the whole, shown respect for women. Here's a few facts that show why Australians are wanting immigration policy changes:
The Mayors of London, Birmingham, Leeds, Blackburn, Sheffield, Oxford, Luton, Oldham and Roxdale are all Muslim.


There are over 3,000 muslim mosques across the UK and over 130 sharia courts with more than 50 muslim sharia councils. I don't know the number of no-go areas for indigenous British but they do exist. 78% of muslim women do not work and collect taxpayer funded benefits plus free housing. 63% of muslim men get the same taxpayer funded largesse. 6-8 children from muslim families plan the same life path.

All UK schools serve halal meat.

All of the above has been achieved by a population of 4 million muslims, and that number is growing rapidly due to rapid proliferation.

And you consider Australians who seek strict changes to the makeup of "refugee" intake as nasty? People are angry that we ever got into the situation of having to pay out $90m but it is cheaper than a long court battle would be. This should be a big lesson to short-sighted politicians and do-gooder Australians alike:- be careful what you wish for because your kids are not going to thank you.
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
10:52am
Jan, I would like to think that the people who are being so vocal are the vocal minority. Most people see people in need and give them a hand up, a few can't resist kicking them while they are down.
I think most Australians are better than is represented on this site, a lot of people who use this site have witnessed the pile on effect this subject seems to conjure and prefer to stay out of it.
All I hope is that my Grandchildren will know that I did not condone this now proven illegal activity of this government. At least i spoke out against it whenever I had the opportunity.
Many Nazis who were sure that their government was doing the wrong thing were probably sorry that they did not speak out.
Misty
16th Jun 2017
1:00pm
For once I can't agree with you Jan but I do agree with what Brissiegirl has written here and after watching that Chanel 9 story called "The Jihadist next Door", I quite believe everything she has written here it was a really scare program and a wake up call for all countries. All radical Muslims want and work for is a world dominated and run by Muslims and they are gradually getting there unless the world wakes up and stops Muslim immigration to countries where they refuse to intergrate and obey that countries rules and way of life. What rot all schools serving Halal food, the Jews do not demand special food for their children and neither should any oyher religion or race, WAKE UP AUSTRALIA LOBBY YOUR LOCAL MEMBER, LET THE POLITICIANS KNOW HOW YOU FEEL BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
niemakawa
16th Jun 2017
1:15pm
@exPS No we are the vocal majority who do not want this country overrun with muslims and the laws of Islam. It is the vocal minority in this Country as in other Western Nations who support the unbridled immigration of people whose culture is alien and at odds with our values. Islam is totally incompatible with our society and it is impossible for muslims and other cultures to co-exist without conflict, brought about by the former.

I can only come to the conclusion that people like you, the vocal minority support terrorism, rape, paedophilia, FGM, forced marriages, sharia law. It seems evident that the major political parties condone these illegal activities. This is always the viewpoint of Globalists who are subverting and undermining Western culture and its values.

This article is one recent example in Sweden, and this attitude is being replicated throughout the West and certainly in Australia.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/14/swedish-priests-demand-sweden-stop-celebrating-poisonous-national-holiday/
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
3:44pm
No N, I support a fair go, I support a system where you are innocent until proven guilty, I support a system where you are judged by the person you are not your religion or where you were born.
I do not support a system that puts people in concentration camps to rot without trial or even telling them when they will be released.
I am not a Globalist, I am just someone who wants to see all people regardless of nationality or religion treated as human beings.
Get it through your head, Australia broke international law, it is being penalized for that, you can whine all you like, it will change nothing.
In other words, I am just a decent human being, what are you?
niemakawa
16th Jun 2017
4:04pm
ex PS I disagree with all your comments so far on this topic. You are only lying to yourself as it is blindly obvious that you are indeed a Globalist. Next you will be saying that murderers and rapists should not be detained in prison.

International law as any other type is open to scrutiny and is not always correct in its execution. International law also states that a refugee seeking asylum must make an application in the first safe country in which they arrive. Indonesia is a safe country and most of those on Manus Island and the 50,000 (undocumented) who arrived by boat under the stewardship of the Labor Government were breaking International Law. Yet these illegals are not penalised but instead given handouts from the Australian taxpayer

Get it through your head that those on Manus Island attempted to enter Australia illegally and as a result were place in accommodation pending the outcome of their refugee status.

The Government has made a terrible decision as by paying this blackmail money their action has by default insinuated that all Australians are guitly of torture in the eyes of the World.

No you are not a decent human being in my book. You are assisting in the destuction of our culture.
Needy not Greedy
16th Jun 2017
7:45am
It's unbelievable how the government can just pluck $90 million of taxpayers money out of their arse to pay for yet another asylum seeker stuffup, when we have thousands of genuine 'down on their luck' Australian men, women and kids sleeping rough on the streets for yet another severe winter, one would think they may have Human Rights as well, WE HAVE LOST THE PLOT!
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
8:40am
We lost the plot when we decided to act like A/holes and lock up innocent men, women and children without trial, now we pay the price. Are you saying it is all the victims fault here.
Governments have a responsibility to consider these things when they do stupid stuff to get votes.
They stuff up but don't care because it's not their money they are wasting.
The government (Us) should have to pay additional costs for every day innocent people are kept locked up, maybe then the message may get through.
niemakawa
16th Jun 2017
1:20pm
exPS they were not locked up, they were placed in centres with all mod cons whilst their applications for asylum were being completed. Many of those on Manus Island destroyed their ID papers which makes the process to determine bone fide refugees that much harder. They were allowed to leave the centres and mix with the locals. Innocent they are not they attempted to enter Australia illegally.
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
8:50am
Who is lying to themselves now niemakawa?
Mutley
16th Jun 2017
8:46am
Having seen many TV trials, when a "deal" is struck, it's in exchange for a GUILTY PLEA. So what's different about the Government's $90Million payout in this class action except the Government will not admit guilt.
Needy not Greedy
16th Jun 2017
9:13am
Ah well Muttly I guess they will get the money back that they paid the people smugglers to bring them through the back door, hopefully they can then afford a P and O cruise liner to go home, but it is more likely that our soft cock politicians have struck another secret deal to let them in.
Gee Whiz
16th Jun 2017
9:25am
For a government that is continually shouting from the roof tops that it is broke it never seems to have any trouble finding millions of dollars to waste on things other than supporting their own citizens.

Call it by any name you like but these people were illegal immigrants. They paid thousands to people smugglers to enter the country illegally then destroyed their passports once they looked like being picked up.

They were processed offshore and found to be illegal. They were then given accommodation better than what they left behind. They were given three meals a day, medical care 24/7, access to dentists, and other medical experts, free clothing and toiletries and freely allowed to walk around the township.

They were even paid a small supplement to buy things in the township.

Then the idiot government supplied them with legal aid which ended up costing the taxpayers $20 million plus the ongoing costs paid over the years.

If these people won this $70 million without ever paying one cent in tax in this country and by claiming they were unfairly treated what sort of a class action could Australia's pensioners bring against the government for their ongoing harassment from the Turnbull regime.

And what about other illegals now living here who receive far better social security benefits than our own genuine pensioners.

This capitulation by the Turnbull idiots to pay $70 million is a disgrace. Its disgusting and shows the total disregard this government has for our own citizens and over burdened taxpayers.
Needy not Greedy
16th Jun 2017
10:25am
Some great points there Gee Whiz, the goody shoe shoes in here have little or no empathy for our own Australian citizens that have had the misfortune to fall on bad times, left homeless and need some financial support to get back on their feet, on a local radio talkback last week the subject came up, a woman had left her home with three young kids and was living in a bomb of a car and on a 6mth waiting list for temporary accomodation, her crime was that she had married a mongrel who came home from the pub most nights and played soccer with her head, one woman rang in and said it was her fault for picking a bad husband and she shouldn't expect taxpayers to shoulder the blame, if the government has spare cash to hand out, on the Care Factor Scale I would rate this poor woman and her children a 10 and illegal immigrants a 0 as far as receiving help, maybe it me that's lost the plot lol but I ain't changing!
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
10:43am
G.W, I'm sure these people would have been happy to pay tax in this country. The government had to pay out, if this had gone to court the world would know how despicably we have treated these people.
Not Amused
16th Jun 2017
12:38pm
ex PS
happy to pay tax in this country? Do you know how many of the border busters are unemployed living in govt. housing that pensioners have to line up for, seven to 10 years after they arrive? The statistics you will find to be unacceptable for most hard working Aussies...and they were never locked up on Manus they were free to participate in the township...Unlike the German population that failed to speak out the majority on this forum and in other places are doing just that speaking out...before its too late and don't forget we are already subsidising thousands of economic "refugees" who damned well know the system and how to rort it long before they push their way in. They don't mix,you only have to look at their enclaves existing and big ones in the planning pipeline,how would you like loudspeakers doing call to prayers 5 times a day forced into your living quarters as happens in over crowded English suburbs.
niemakawa
16th Jun 2017
2:58pm
I think it is now time for everyone to possess and carry with them an Australian ID card and proof of residency. In case of overseas visitors their passport and/or visa. Random checks by the police to be carried out daily.
mogo51
16th Jun 2017
10:11am
Agree with you Sen.Cit.84, moreover why do these illegal immigrants have any right of access to our courts. Slater and Gordon get $20m, at least that may get them a few weeks before they are struck off the ASX.
When will these politicians realise it is not their money but the tax payers of Australia. Human Rights should pay it, if they feel so strongly about their welfare!
Liverpool Anne
16th Jun 2017
10:16am
It would have been far better to send them back to the country of departure than now pay them compensation. What about our citizens living on the street. It is about time more money was paid to our citizens, because even some of those who are down and out, were at some time a taxpayer. These refugees getting the compo, have never paid taxes. Not too hard to guess who will end up paying for $70M! Wish someone would give me $35000
Roses
16th Jun 2017
12:10pm
It is interesting that the government, under pressure from the UN, is now going to pay compensation to “refugees” for alleged abuse. How about some compensation to families who have had loved ones abused in aged care that went unreported and overlooked for decades? If it is a matter of human rights and decency are they not the same. At the moment it looks like foreigners who have arrived illegally are given more care and concern than our own citizens!
Misty
16th Jun 2017
1:16pm
I agree Roses, my brother has MS and is not long home from hospital he had home care 5 days a week for a couple of hours but this has now been cut back to 3 days, I don't know how he will manage, he is in a wheelchair and cannot do a lot for himself but wants to stay at home instead of going into care. No DOUBT SOME OF THOSE $90 MILLION WOULD HAVE HELPED HIM AND COUNTLESS OTHERS GET THE CARE THEY DESERVE TOO.
niemakawa
16th Jun 2017
1:29pm
It is almost certain that the UN instructed Australia to pay this exorbitant amount which in my opinion is a form of blackmail.

Australia is no longer an independent, sovereign Nation and successive Governments over the past 30 years or more have been gradually transferring our sovereign rights to the UN. It is only a matter of time before this job is complete and we will no lnger be Australian citizens but citizens of the UN orchestrated OWG.

If you are happy with this scenario then do nothing sit back and be taken for a ride.

The vast majority of Australians of course do not want this to happen and that is why we are becoming more and more vocal to prevent and put a stop to this madness.
niemakawa
16th Jun 2017
1:37pm
Our old, infirm, and war veterans are thrown on the scrap heap. No help for them.

The Government must reverse this decision and all parties if they have an ounce of common sense mst take a bi-partisan approach to stop the money being paid to these illegals.
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
9:05am
The day that a government can reverse a legal decision just because it disagrees with the outcome is the day we are in danger of becoming a Fascist Dictatorship. Is that what you really want?
Even Hitler took notice of the court system, he changed the laws so that he didn't have much to worry about, but he obeyed the ones he had.
By the way he changed the law so that Jews were no longer considered human to fix that particular problem, and then rounded them up and put them in Concentration Camps, where they were "better off and protected", the population thought that they were being well treated, ring any bells? He didn't let the media any where near his real camps either.
He convinced the population of sheep that Jews were evil and were going to destroy the nation from within. This made him look like a strong leader and by focusing on "The Jew problem", took attention away from his bad governance, still not ringing any bells?
Funny by making the Jews non-human it took away their rights and in that way made it illegal for them to own businesses , in fact you may say it made them into illegals, and as we know in this country, if you are an illegal, the government can do what they want to you.
niemakawa
16th Jun 2017
2:31pm
There are also many illegals residing in Australia , but the Government is keeping the number hidden. You can bet your bottom dollar that many are claiming taxpayer funded benefits and receiving assistance with housing etc. Also it is almost certain many are using fake our other family members' ID''s with the intent of defrauding the taxpayer. About time the Government came clean on this matter and tell us the truth. The media seems to be tight-lipped so they need to lift their game and report and expose the facts to the public.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4609396/Home-Office-estimates-150-000-illegal-migrants.html
ex PS
16th Jun 2017
3:49pm
Agree, and most of them flew in on visitors visas, but the government doesn't highlight them, it wouldn't dare, because it would show that the insignificant numbers they are persecuting on Manus is meaningless.
niemakawa
16th Jun 2017
4:10pm
ex PS I want all illegals onshore or offshore deported. ID cards with frequent random checks will weed them out. I do not care what is their background or the reason for breaking our laws. Put them in a detention centre and removed from the country within 1 week. No stay of execution. Tough measures are required.
Triss
16th Jun 2017
4:22pm
It's a case of attack being the best form of defence. Point to the pensioners being a burden and bankrupting the country at very point so people will not realise they are being duped and that it's the politicians who are to blame for bringing too many grasping welfare hands to bankrupt the country.
niemakawa
16th Jun 2017
4:37pm
Triss, I didn't quite understand your comment. But I agree the fault lies with the Governments, current and previous. There seems to be a very deep well when it comes to financing the hordes of illegals and so-called refugees being alowed here. At the same time our old, our infirm our war veterans are thrown on the scrap heap.

Nothing will change until people change their voting habits, Lib/Lab/Greens. As I have said many times these political parties are Globalist organisations and jump to the call of their master power which is the UN. the UN manefesto supports and is active in promoting a OWG.

We need a Government with a Nationalistic approach. There are other political parties that put the interest of Australia and its people at the forefront.
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
11:20am
You get no argument from me N, all illegal immigrants should be deported.
Triss
16th Jun 2017
4:16pm
This is ludicrous. Those people chose to come here and have now decided Australia is not a good place for them...and Australia has agreed. Fine, use the $70,000,000 on their behalf to relocate every one of them back into their own country, which obviously is far superior to here.
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
9:13am
Triss, these people have been given no option to come to Australia, that is why they have been imprisoned off-shore. I am willing to bet that if given a choice of taking their share of the money and going back to where they came from and gaining entry and citizenship in Australia most would choose Australia.
Maybe we should give them that choice, it would certainly prove or disprove the theory that they are economic refugees.
New Zealand offered to take these people, Australia declined because it was not tough enough for the refugees. That says more about the government than the refugees.
Gardengirl
16th Jun 2017
7:06pm
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. B. Slater and Gordon yet again. I hope not one of the so called detainees are allowed to stay in Australia. They could easily have gone back to their place of origin if New Guinea was worse. We are in danger of ending up like U.K. Weak police, weak, judiciary, weak politicians.
old frt
17th Jun 2017
7:15am
Stop all foreign aid.
Stop all legal aid funding for non Australians.
The legal profession never ceases to amaze how low they are prepared to stoop to chase a dollar.
lastly send all these detainees a bill for board and accommodation at Ben Hocking's rate of $670000.00 per annum for the period of time the were looked after by the Aust. taxpayer
Rainey
17th Jun 2017
7:30am
Great incentive for more unwanted immigrants to come, hoping to live at Aussie taxpayer expense for a few months, get a nice compensation payout (which might not sound much to us but is probably a lot to them!) and then return home. Meanwhile, native-born Aussies who suffered hideous abuse and injustice as children, then struggled to work and pay taxes despite life-long injury and psychological problems as a result, are told the nation can't afford to compensate them. What a disgrace!
ex PS
17th Jun 2017
9:18am
Rainey, this debacle is of the governments making, it made a series of bad decisions that led to this. Yes it is a disgrace, but it is not of the Refugees making. The blame should sit where it belongs, with two governments that put their own election results above the good of people on both sides of this argument.
When I say governments I mean plural, Labor and LNP have to share the blame equally.
niemakawa
17th Jun 2017
1:53pm
Not refugees and of course it is of their making. They are frauds and maurauders. Illegally entered Australian waters in a brazen attempt to force their way onto our soil. Most came from Indonesia a safe country (Indonesia)and paid for the trip of a lifetime. Australia should recover the costs of housing and all the othere expenses these thieves from the Indonesian Government.

The sooner there is a revoluton in this country to reassert our sovereignty the better. I am waiting in the wings to bring some justice back to our Nation. Get rid of the scum pollies and the likes of ex PS who are poison.
niemakawa
17th Jun 2017
7:15pm
Immigration of muslims is the root cause of all the problems that Australia now faces. They have more rights than Australians, push their agenda without any intervention from our Government. Allowed to beat their wives and children and some of our academics seem to think this is OK and the rest of us have to be "culturally sensitive". Many will not abide by our laws and refuse to accept our way of life, although they are guest here. The muslims are a serious threat to our security and to bring anymore here is suicidal. FCS wake up Australia, see what has happened in Western Europe, it has become a muslim stronghold at the behest of the EU and especially Merkel the German. Rape of women and children by these ingrates is rife across the continent.
niemakawa
17th Jun 2017
7:33pm
Thank God for the common sense expressed by 2 European leaders.

'Islam is INCOMPATIBLE with Western life' Czech leader warns of more Cologne-style attacks
ISLAM is fundamentally incompatible with Western values, a senior European leader claimed, as he predicted more Cologne-style refugee sex attacks in cities across the continent.
Czech Republic president Milos Zeman said that it is “impossible” to integrate Muslims from the Middle East into European societies because their core values are too dissimilar to those of Western populations.
In an outspoken interview the veteran left-winger blamed the New Year’s Eve rapes in Cologne on “Muslim culture” and said people who want to live according to Islamic law should not move to Europe to settle.
Source:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/635500/Migrant-crisis-Muslim-refugees-impossible-integrate-Europe-society-Cologne-sex-attacks

‘You’re DESTROYING Europe’ Hungary PM predicts ‘parallel Muslim society’ due to migration

EUROPE will become divided into two parallel societies with Muslims living in their own enclaves under different leaders and laws due to mass migration, the prime minister of Hungary predicted today.

In a controversial speech Mr Orban questioned the ability of Muslims to ever integrate into Western society and also implied that Brussels was being cruel by encouraging migrants to leave their homelands and head to Europe.
He said: “The uncontrolled influx destroys Europe and it doesn’t even help the migrants. It’s better for everyone to stay in their own territory.
“We are not here to solve the migration problem, but a historical one. We, Europeans, Hungarians, Christians, have to describe our attitude towards immigration.”
Source:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/715040/Hungary-referendum-Viktor-Orban-parallel-Muslim-societies-EU-migration-refugees
Roses
19th Jun 2017
12:10pm
I am an aged pensioner and I don't like the way I am being treated, it amounts to elder abuse! Mr Slater & Gordon will you stand for me, pro bono, to seek compensation from the government? I would be happy with a few thousand to pay for my eye surgery before I go blind as I wait on a public hospital wait list! It seems that a "fair go" doesn't apply to me but it does to people who are here illegally, detained or not.Give me back my old Australia where a fair go was real.
Roses
19th Jun 2017
12:10pm
I am an aged pensioner and I don't like the way I am being treated, it amounts to elder abuse! Mr Slater & Gordon will you stand for me, pro bono, to seek compensation from the government? I would be happy with a few thousand to pay for my eye surgery before I go blind as I wait on a public hospital wait list! It seems that a "fair go" doesn't apply to me but it does to people who are here illegally, detained or not.Give me back my old Australia where a fair go was real.
Chris B T
17th Jun 2017
1:56pm
Just a thought wouldn't it be better to pay Australian's who had a spare room $100k/year to house these people and feed them.
Especially pensioner's as first choice to help around the home and supplement their income.
Far cheaper option, double up deal and families.
That would have more than halve the costs' and given financial help to Pensioners.
Mybe next time.
niemakawa
17th Jun 2017
2:07pm
Joke yes. I and most other Australians wouldn't want these POS anywhere near us. Send them away mot wanted and certainly they are not needed to sponge of our system for the rest of their lives.
Roses
17th Jun 2017
8:08pm
No thanks Chris B T. Not in my house or my neighbours' house, my street, my suburb or city or state and certainly not MY country!
Chris B T
18th Jun 2017
4:53pm
The Joke is on Us as no matter what we Think about the Detainees we are Paying $550K plus each year for one Offshore Detention & $200k for one Onshore Detention.
Pensioners Need More Funds To Live Off.

The Standup Comedians are Playing us all, it won't stop any time soon.
niemakawa
18th Jun 2017
4:10pm
If you care about Australia and its future direction then take time to read these articles. The main political parties continue to ignore the truth and are conditioning us for an IS.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/17/poll-oppose-eu-migration-policies/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/17/swedish-police-attacked-100-masked-migrant-youths/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/17/geert-wilders-lets-stop-cowardice/
AutumnOz
18th Jun 2017
4:34pm
This came in from our own ABC News online

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-17/muslim-community-defend-plans-to-so-called-islamic/8627394

It is happening all over our Australia and very few are doing anything to keep our residents safe from the spread of these complexes through our cities.

Time they woke up and got rid of political correctness.
niemakawa
18th Jun 2017
4:47pm
AutumnOZ . ignore PC do not feel any guilt if you do. Time to regain our rights to speak up without being castigated for expressing our views. Islam is such a serious threat to our wellbeing and safety that any concerned Government would take urgent measures to ban this destructive force in our society. the PC brigade always calling for calm after terrorists attacks by muslims, with their usual rherotric "nothung to do with Islam". I will vote for any party that makes a sworn promise to ban Islam in this country, for me that is the only issue that counts.
niemakawa
18th Jun 2017
5:07pm
Islam is not a recognised religion in Italy. read more..

https://qz.com/674377/there-are-over-1-6-million-muslims-in-italy-and-only-eight-mosques/
AutumnOz
18th Jun 2017
6:13pm
I have never approved of PC and I agree with your comments about Islam being a serious threat.

Italy seems to be doing well keeping things under control in their country.

It is unfortunate that our gov't figureheads seem more interested in filling their own coffers rather than governing the country and keeping our fellow Australians safe and well into the future.
sammy
19th Jun 2017
4:10pm
Hi everybody knocks everybody.if people would do their job properly in the first place then there would be no need to fork out 70 million. never mind human rights for all these asylum seekers because they want to get before they get killed or hardship they have to put up with. take a good look at how many go back with in the first 5 years they are here? i could pin point some in melbourne but then it would called racist and we cant have that can we. the other week a judge apologised to a sudanese lad because he was going to send him to jail and let off an other one for doing what they do best make trouble. well he should have sent him back where he came. I would like to know what if a white lad had done the same what sentence would they have got. all human right s have gone the wrong way what about the poor victims dont whey have any rights? you only have to look at the tv and see how all these minsters act to see what kind of people are running the country its a worry. no money for hospital no money this and that but they can all go for a winter pig out? and before someone says they have to pay god knows how much for a ticket I bet they can claim it back at the end of the year. you can go on and on. lets get thing right for once
BigVal
19th Jun 2017
4:56pm
1967 Protocol to 1851 Refugee Convention took away that first safe country apply for asylum because of course UN is dominated by Left who want chaos so saw sending these people into western nations would bring it about sooner and so their plan of UN being the world government when we cried out for Law & Order etc. So encourage the very ideology, Islam, who are also out to dominate the world by invasion that overwhelms the services an welfare budgets of the west and its working.
Stupid idea to give them anything other than a ticket back home.
And I'd dearly like figures of Muslims on welfare as they have large families. Women 8.1 kinds to our 1.3 so out breeding western nations which is also part of plan to take them over and have one big Caliphate of world Islam submission. Left wingers are the enemy within destroying democratic governments with so many MPs being lefties. Labor and Greens dominated by them and now Libs too.
niemakawa
19th Jun 2017
5:09pm
Can't fault your comment. My sentiments exactly.

Islamic domination of the West is well on its way and gaining pace rapidly. All Western Governments are encouraging muslims to come to their countries to hasten the conquest. It will not end well as without doubt conflict will eventuate and Australia will end up like Syria and other muslim countries, perpetual fighting.

The Globalists' plot to enslave us all under the OWG, they crave and are hell bent on delivering.

Libs/Lab/Greens are the carriers of this disease for the UN.
Misty
19th Jun 2017
5:27pm
Has anyone tried to contact Yourlifechoices by email?, I have tried the admin@lifechoices.com.au and keep being told this is not a valid email address.
AutumnOz
19th Jun 2017
6:27pm
The only one I have come across is
YLC - newsletters@yourlifechoices.com.au

I'm not sure where I found it.


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