Election 2016: health more important than economy

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While Malcolm Turnbull focuses on ‘Jobs and Growth’, he’s missing the mark with older voters, with 52 per cent claiming health is the issue that will decide who gets their vote in the Federal Election 2016.

The pre-election survey, undertaken by the Council on the Ageing (COTA) found that for voters aged over 50, health is one of the top three issues that matters most for 52 per cent, compared with the economy which, for 30 per cent, only rated in the top three. This is a turnaround from the 2013 election when the economy, at 46 per cent just pipped health care at 45 per cent.

The survey asked the questions of 1145 COTA members and included those who completed the survey prior to the 2013 election. And perhaps the older people get, the more health care matters, with over half of those surveyed over 70 years of age.

And it seems that Labor is striking a chord with older voters. When asked which party was best to manage health care, Labor was the top choice, as was the case when asked about managing aged care, superannuation, pensions, older workers and affordable housing.

But in what could be seen as good or bad news for both parties, 25 per cent of those surveyed said that they would switch their vote between now and the Federal Election on 2 July – a 10 per cent increase from those that gave the same response in 2013.

COTA Chief Executive Ian Yates said this should be a warning for both parties, “Older voters are becoming more volatile, they are not as rusted on as they used to be, and they are more sceptical about the mainstream parties. They are more prepared to look out for their own interests and, unlike younger voters, they are all registered.”

Read more at TheAge.com.au

Read more at COTA.org.au 

Opinion: Will your voice be heard?

As YourLifeChocies reported last week, older voters will hold more power in the upcoming Federal Election 2016 than younger voters and the sooner the major parties realise this, the better.

With over 65-year-olds representing 22 per cent of the electorate, policies on issues such as health, pensions, aged care and superannuation will matter come 2 July. And this is borne out in the results from the YourLifeChoices pre-Budget 2016 survey, that clearly defined what older Australians wanted to see in the Budget and the policies that will determine how they vote.

Indeed, when we asked you, our members, which issues you would like to see determine the outcome of the federal Election 2016, health and an increase in Age Pension topped the list, with an end to over generous superannuation concessions for the wealthy, climate change and education all featuring highly.

But with all the electioneering that’s going on, it’s difficult to determine which policies each party supports.

With headlines full of support for one policy then backflip on another, keeping track of what you’re actually voting for is nigh on impossible unless you’re glued to the news 24 hours a day. So, we’ve cut to the chase and asked the Liberal, Labor and Greens parties for a brief outline of which policies they will be supporting. With a few details still to be ironed out, we’ll publish these by the end of the week, giving those voters who are undecided a chance to make an informed decision.

We know older voters have a voice and it’s a voice that’s not afraid to speak up. All we need to do is make sure it’s heard.

Do you know how you will vote in the Federal Election 2016? Could a policy change before then sway your vote? When choosing a party to lead the country, do you agree that health care is more important than the economy?

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    A healthy population is more productive than worrying about the economy short term as with people able to afford medication less hours will be lost due to sickness and more jobs created through more positive employees

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      Abbot/Turnbull have gifted Australia with Record low wages growth, Record low income growth, Record increase in household debt,
      Record numbers of people forced into part time employment (+26.8%).

      The Myth that LNP grow the economy is just that, a Myth.
      ALP governments (Keating/Gillard/Rudd) have consistently Outperformed the OECD by decent margins, With Rudd even GROWING the Australian economy during the GFC (+2.9%) while the rest of the OECD went backwards.
      The LNP struggle, with Howard during the Greatest Mining Boom EVER managing a pathetic +0.8% over the OECD.
      Abbot and Turnbull seem intent on tanking the economy with a measly +0.6% growth.

      The strongest GDP growth ever recorded was by a government that focused on public sector investment and social welfare. This government also had one of the lowest levels of private sector investment.
      Business Friendly does not mean good for the economy.

      Health, Education and Pensions. Invest in All of these and the economy will grow.

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      Agree welfare is a growth industry in this country.

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      As is political deceit. It has become an artform since Tony Abbott arrived.

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      Nay well before that Mick. Probably began in Australia in 1901 with the first PM.

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      Welfare Growth is another MYTH.

      The federal treasury’s own Intergenerational Report,
      “Australia to 2050: future challenges”
      analyses the changes Australia will face over the next 40 years.

      The report says government spending on pensions and income support payments in 2009-10 was 6.9 per cent of GDP.
      It predicts that there will be minor fluctuations and it will still be 6.9 per cent in 2049-50

      Welfare is obviously only a growth industry in your Imagination.

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      Sounds to me like some big cuts will happen before 2049-50 or people will have to work a whole lot longer before they get welfare.

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      Those figures are calculated on the status quo;
      IFF nothing changes this is where Australia will be.

      The report says government spending on pensions and income support payments in 2009-10 was 6.9 per cent of GDP.
      It predicts that there will be minor fluctuations and it will still be 6.9 per cent in 2049-50

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      Well I for one are not taking any notice of it as I know for certain that there will a lot less taxpayers in 2049-2050 than there are today.

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      The Welfare “industry” will grow by an average of 9.75% pa over next 4 years. The Tax Revenue “industry” will have an average shortfall of 15% pa over next 4 years. The problem is not the growth of the “welfare industry” but the irresponsible management of the tax revenue income. To balance the books the government needs to increase tax revenue by 15% pa over the next 4 years. They can achieve this by increasing annual average company tax to 36% with limited tax deductions and an average 5% increase in Individual income tax revenue with limited tax deductions. The problem is not welfare, the problem is lack of income tax revenue. It’s all very well for Turnbull to slogan “jobs & growth” but’s it’s not all very well the way they structured the Budget estimates that show an Operating Tax Revenue Loss over the next 4 years which means, that over the next 4 years they really don’t expect any increase in jobs and growth and Malcolm’s slogan is nothing but an illusion.

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      Tax revenue is already increasing by 21% a year now.

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      I was not clear,
      the “IFF nothing changes” refers to some event totally unexpected, such as (god forbid) a massive war, or a devastating environmental catastrophe. (not just climate change)

      The report calculates the changing dynamic of the population,
      (the percentages of people in the age brackets).
      The latest analysis of current and predicted population growth trends is by 2050 there should be 3 billion above 60yrs, 6 billion under 60, and 2 billion children, at that point the planets population should stabilise.
      Of the 3 Billion above 60yrs, improvements in health will allow more to work longer, and improvements in superannuation will allow more people to be financially independent.

      So the reports figure of stable spending of 6.9% of GDP on pensions and income support as far as 2050 is a reliable number.

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      Annual revenue increase over next 4 years is:-

      2016/2017-5.99%
      2017/2018-6.35%
      2018/2019-7.44%
      2019.2020-6.56%

      Obviously you speak from your back passage and it’s all crap.

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      Wish I could predict the future and revenue increases with such certainty. Would make my job heaps easier for sure.

      Knowing returns four years into the future would be bliss for me,

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    I will vote for the party who spends the least. Health and education are way too inefficient and more money is not going to fix them as they just find unproductive ways of spending the extra money. Pension system is way too generous and needs to be reigned in more.

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      Incorrect. YOU will vote Liberal. That is what ex hacks always do. You will do no different!
      Your troll comments never cease to amaze in their brazen stupidity and twisting of the truth. Perhaps inform readers here that the Australian pension system is the second lowest in the developed world with your employer wanting to make it the worst by a long mile.

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      My employer has as much influence on Australia politics as you do Mick. Zilch or very close to it. I haven’t worked for anyone but myself now for about 30 years.

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      Well Bonny,

      If our education is so inefficient why is so much money being pumped into the Oh so efficient private enterprise private schools by our governments.

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      That’s the problem there is way too much money being pumped into public education. Our kids are being taught too much useless stuff and a lot can’t read and write when they leave school.

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      Typical Bonny comments here yet again.

      When karma comes around again you will get your just desserts
      believe me !!!!

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      Goodie I love karma stuff but it never seems to come my way.

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      We’ll all face our maker some day Bronny. The response to you is already in writing.

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      I’m really looking forward to that day Mick. He has already sent me back once as he just wasn’t ready for me.

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      Being sacrilegious is the ultimate sign of ignorance and stupidity. Welcome Bronny. You have arrived.

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      Agree Bonny. We must be the unhealthiest nation on earth to need to spend so much. Waste waste waste. Overservicing comes to mind too.

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      I really pity you Mick as you just can’t see anything else beyond your own narrow beliefs.

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      Spending the least? Well that ain’t the LNP.
      Government debt has done nothing but grow grow grow under Abbott/Turnbull.

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      Well there’s a growth industry for you Robin.

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      My views are anything other than “narrow” Bronny. I cannot be bought and I will not betray my country for ANYONE who shows up with a fat chequebook. That my dear troll is prostitution. You do a great job in that environment.

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      Good on you Bonny, the one eye fool’s just can’t see that government debt inherited from the Labor shambles and now being increased by Turnbull as will the promises of Shorten are fast becoming out of control and threatening the triple A.
      Now over one billion a month in interest, the self interest in healthcare compared to the health of the nation is staggering.

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      I’m with Bonny, at last another of the few with common sense.

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      Give Bonny a break …it is only a forum and Bonny is entitled to her opinion and change as she want it is Bonny’s right.
      Do not get nasty please let’s be friendly and constructive not a perverse group of people with nothing to do other than pick on Bonny and insult others

      This is my opinion and some respect may go a long way come on let be civilized retired people

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      The moment Labor is elected it’s goodbye triple A rating. So that means a lot more interest to be paid on that debt. So it’s either cut spending to pay back the debt or put more of the tax revenue into paying off that debt. With tax revenue increasing at 21% they should have oodles to pay back that debt.

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      IFF Australia loses it’s credit rating it will be because Abbot/Turnbull/Hockey/Morrison ditched a resources tax for foreign owned miners – who we’ve just discovered have been secretly siphoning billions of dollars through tax havens – just as the national revenue plunged.

      Australia has emerged from the greatest resources boom of all time with NOTHING to show except a deficit that’s likely to balloon for decades and an LNP that simply refuses to tackle the problem.

      The Myth that LNP grow the economy is just that, a Myth.

      If you want to save money, how about cutting off the 455 ex federal politicians, and partners of deceased retired politicians, who are still being paid to the tune of $80+ million dollars, then there are the 2,000 ex state pollies Australia wide at $300+ million dollars. Then there are 4 fully paid staff for each ex Prime Minister, cars for premiers and ministers, plus rail and air travel for all. Plus all sorts of allowances (the details of which are all but impossible to get).
      ALL payments and perks are Not-Audited, Not-Means Tested, and Tax Free!!

      That saves at least $500million a year, and probably more than a Billion.

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      in past posts, Bonny, you stated that you were retired. So get your story right.

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      If you haven’t realised it my employer is simply me no one else. Yes I am retired but I still dabble in lots of things.

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      No Bronny. Cash for comment from the government is the only bit which fits as no other explanation can justify the one eyed brain dead trolling.

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      Enough of the ad hominem MICK. Also there is no R in Bonny.

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      ”Give Bonny a break …” Aussie?

      Sorry. NO. When a MONSTER like Bonny suggests my child and grandchild should have killed at birth, she deserves far worse than the insults she gets here. Bonny should have been killed at birth. Would be a far better world without the likes of Bonny in it.

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    A strong economy should deliver benefits to all. In Australia it delivers benefits to the rich and the richer. Free health care, free education and a safety net for the less fortunate- these should be the motivations for working for a strong economy. Sadly a bigger, better house, flashier car and holidays abroad seem to be the only driver.

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      Be careful you do not listen to the lies about a “strong economy” from Turnbull inc. This is the lie which is being sold, but just like his predecessor it is meant to deceive so that AUstralians are duped into voting for the government, the worst of all things to do when you have a predatory government attacking the those at the end of the food chain.

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      Well Mick Turnbill is the our only hope of a strong economy as I have not faith like many others in shorten economics.

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      More propaganda from our sponsor.

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      Bonnie
      He had promise and a chance to show us his merit, but alas he is just a businessman and beholden to those who allow him to stay there. He does not have the benefit of good smarts around him, even Julie Bishop stays quiet just to hold her position for what may happen in the future.
      Please try to think of those less fortunate/canny/smart than you and don’t begrudge them (and really do your homework rather than reiterate LNP rhetoric).

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      The Myth that LNP grow the economy is just that, a Myth.
      ALP governments (Keating/Gillard/Rudd) have consistently Outperformed the OECD by decent margins, With Rudd

      even GROWING the Australian economy during the GFC (+2.9%) while the rest of the OECD went backwards.
      The LNP struggle, with Howard during the Greatest Mining Boom EVER managing a pathetic +0.8% over the OECD.
      Abbot and Turnbull seem intent on tanking the economy with a measly +0.6% growth.

      The Myth that LNP grow the economy is just that, a Myth.

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      There are few of us here who have no faith in your statements Bonny let alone Malcolm’s. Suffice to say that I am being generous with this comment.

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      That’s why I am where I am today and most people have been left behind I guess. Too many people just blindly follow each other and fail to really think for themselves and suffer the consequences.

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      A couple of weeks ago you said you were going down to Centrelink Bronny. So what is it: self funded or Centrelink……or maybe something different every day?

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      Because Mick one of the other things I dabble in is helping others negotiate their way through Centrelink.

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      You are as slippery as the LNP front bench Bronny. All carry the same brand.

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      If you were so head of us here Bonny you wouldn’t be wasting your time on here with your antagonising crappy comments. You are full of it that’s for sure!!!

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    Debbie: “jobs and growth”…..’spin and sin’. ‘lies and deceit’. Ok, I guess that makes a point about the current lot.
    I agree that some older Australians are changing their voting habit but many still need to be convinced of the bleeding obvious as they fall into an age where reason seems to evaporate.
    The retirement cohort is more interested in health because this panders to our needs.
    With this in mind it will be good to see this government off and hopefully the soul searching it is forced to do thereafter will see a whole new bunch of new blood come through which is less tightly controlled by the big end of town and which governs for the nation, not the party’s election funding contributors.
    I hope you are right about your observation Debbie.

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      Unfortunately Mick the LNP will be still in government in 1095 days as there is simply nothing better to replace them with. People are not silly enough to believe shorten economics will work. I certainly don’t.

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      Your posts are driven by payment and this is what ex Liberal Party hacks do when they retire. Readers understand that your posts are not genuine.
      If you think that even the mentally challenged believe that Turnbull and Morrison are telling the truth then you are off with the fairies Bronny……well that is a given anyway.
      In 3 weeks time there will be a new government and it will not be a Turnbull led one. Please pass on to Malcolm that I am disappointed that he has sold his ideals and his soul since becoming leader of the party. That says a lot about who and what the man is. Not pretty!

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      Rubbish Mick. No shorten economics in 3 weeks time.

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      You will be out of a job in 3 weeks Bronny. I wonder if you’ll be trotting out the party spiel in your sleep then…..

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      I agree Mick I’ll be out of a job for another 3 years but I have many more opportunities in the pipeline.

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      When voters see how good Independents and minor parties are you can put a zero on the end of that 3 Bronny.
      I guess the party machine will find a job for you in the machine somewhere. I’d suggest the tea lady job, something which might be appropriate to your abilities.
      Time for another helicopter ride Bronny.

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      Too much fog today for flying Mick.

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      Never mind. More in the pipeline.

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    The liberal party is deeply engaged in attacking any community, welfare notion. They see medicare as welfare, rather than a support mechanism for society. We need a civil society as a sign of a healthy community. Thus we need youth payments, so that under the new system they are not thrown back to their parents for support. That is how you get generational unemployment. Further the health of the population needs to stop being a football between the states and the feds. we pay for medicare in a levy, aside from our other taxes and we want it to work. He keeps saying jobs and growth while denying any opportunities,through introducing more expensive education, which should be free, cutting medicare payments and bulkbilling, charging for mamograms (that is insane in the middle of an epidemic), and cutting youth support specifically in the regions.

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      Way too many people getting useless uni degrees. Not enough people prepared to do the menial tasks any more. None wants to go fruit picking so we have to import backpackers to do that. Send some of those youth fruit picking instead of backpackers.

      Mamograms are only 50% effective at best with a lot of breast cancers being missed. No one tells women this until they have one missed. MRIs are far better at detecting breast cancers but these are not even scheduled under Medicare.

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      So good to see that people have seen what is going on with the current government doclisa.

      The nonsense from Bronny always entertains me and she has failed to mention that we have over 120,000 people in the country on 457 visas (cheap labour!). Whilst Australians are forced onto the unemployment queue we see some of our employer countrymen refusing to pay first world wages and seeking their employees from third world countries. All aided and abetted by a government seeking to implement the Howard work Choices by a different name.

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      I haven’t seen anything to say this is going to change for the better any time soon Mick. I had a year 12 student ask me what career they should pursue so I gave them a list of all those entitled to 457 visas.

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      Must have been an encyclopaedia Bronny. 120,000 names. You are such a liar….but then what else is in the DNA of Liberal Party pollies and hacks.

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      Well there you are Bonny, cut out all these UNI degrees (get a better job Hockey). Get more people into menial jobs on low pay, then we can call them leaners as they have to be helped with healthcare (that they cannot afford privately)

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      Problem is that those out of uni today have a good chance of not getting a job. Why have such a debt over your head knowing that it is so uncertain that you will ever get to pay it back doing what you trained to do. So we have uni educated kids doing menial jobs on low pay that they have no interest in doing.

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      Methinks that anyone would prefer not to be doing menial jobs UNI degree or not. Apart from this how are we supposed to head for being the Innovative country if we cut down on Uni graduates.

      Ad lib the LNP.

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      Bonny said “Way too many people getting useless uni degrees. Not enough people prepared to do the menial tasks any more. None wants to go fruit picking so we have to import backpackers to do that. Send some of those youth fruit picking instead of backpackers.

      Mamograms are only 50% effective at best with a lot of breast cancers being missed. No one tells women this until they have one missed. MRIs are far better at detecting breast cancers but these are not even scheduled under Medicare.
      _______
      I must say I agree with her on this

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      The “debt” you mention Bronny is from your sponsor. An intelligent system would be quotas and entry threshholds which cut out students who are not up to tertiary challenges. That is what is needed but the LNP seem happier to push degrees up to $100,000 and much more for rewarding careers. Keeps the riffraff out as well………… Right?

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      And we haven’t really talked about the FTA and what this will mean with Chinese workers (business mentality again)

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      No extra jobs for oz and exploitation for the workers.

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      There should be an offshore tax. When workers are brought in to replace Aussie workers there should be a tax on it to pay for the Aussie workers put out of a job.

      The same in reverse. Any business that sends jobs offshore that can be done here should have a offshore penalty tax.

      One cannot believe for example that the thousands of help desks sent overseas cannot be performed by Aussie workers.

      And in the main these are being done by Aussie businesses who are making a profit from whom “us”.

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      Wstaton – good ideas,

      Through my kids schools I know there were a lot of help desk/call centers around the burbs here.
      All of those jobs went to Philippines and South Africa, security companies, ISP, telecoms.
      All jobs that Aussies were doing, all jobs lost.
      Some of those people are still looking for work. Some are still on benefits, but the companies they worked for posted record profits in their tax haven homes.

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      Those overseas call centres are nothing but a big pain in the you know where. You finally work out what they are saying only to then work out none of it even makes sense. I just ask for someone that speaks Aussie English I can understand otherwise they get no where with me.

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      Well tell your employer that Malcolm should be making it illegal to outsource labour. Including 457 visas. Australians need work, not unemployment payments which hurt the economy.

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      I was a Project Manager at one stage in the late 90’s and part of one project was to lay an underwater telephone cable from Darwin ti Delhi in India. When I found out that upwards of 750 Australian Call Centre staff would be sacked and replaced with about 400 Indian staff, I tendered my resignation to my employer who could not believe that someone would resign because of a principle. I was happy to be out of that kind of business and soon found another job that I enjoyed for many years until I retired.

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      Well if Australians didn’t want so much money then they wouldn’t be importing labour under 457 visas. When our dollar gets to US 40c things might change.

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      This has been a trend many decades in the making Captain. Created by big business. They couldn’t get their Work Choices in so this and 457 visas were the defaults to get around the will of the public.
      What you have described is the corruption from the coalition side of politics whereby this bunch of misfits disobeys voters, runs propaganda campaigns via it’s media interests and lies like nobody I have ever seen anywhere.
      I respect your ethics Captain. Sadly you can see the ‘ethics’ from some of our posters who post some their propaganda day after day. I hope that readers can see these posters for what they are: Australians of no merit.

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      Bonny, if you don’t have a degree these days you are destined to live in poverty. I have a son who has been bought in to restructure and basically save branches within his company. He has succeeded in every case and handed over the branch to green uni graduates and moved on to the next mess to clean it up. He was told that he will never go any further up the corporate ladder in that company, why you may ask, because that company has a policy of not paying more than a certain amount unless the employee has a degree.
      And that Bonny is why you need a degree, incompetent company Directors trying to save jobs for their mates graduating children.

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      Of all people, bonny, you say if Australians didn’t want so much money, yet that is all you talk about. You are such a hypocrite! So it is ok for you but not for others – you are definitely like the LNP, feel that you are entitled. I shake my head in disbelief at you!

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    How can the economy be important when we blithely order 12 submarines at a probably cost of $30 billion over the next two decades? I wish this crowd of clowns in Canberra were better at their jobs and prioritised their choices like seniors do. We’d have a much better, fairer and healthier country.

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      You are spot on. Not only is the sunmarine order stupid (the submarines are already superseded) but spending that amount of taxpayer money is not justified. Whilst there will be some jobs generated surely Australia should be trying to regain number one status in renewable energy. This is the future whilst submarines, once built, will see us back to square one.
      The reality of life is that the current government will not abandon its coal funding and that is why the future has been sold out for the past.

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      $50 billion Phil.

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      IMagine what half of that would do if put into new technology businesses Wstaton. Turnbull crowes about high tech but this is just electioneering. It will disappear after the election just like with Abbott.

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      There are some helicopters order too I believe that simply don’t yet work.

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      Obviously ordered by the government Bronny. But then the NBN doesn’t work after your boss butchered it.

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      NBN works very well for me Mick.

      Do you realise that Labor’s NBN would never have been possible let alone work? For a start those existing pits were simply not big enough to take all those fibre cables. The costs of making much bigger pits was never ever costed in to Labor’s calculations and I believe it still isn’t.

      So if Labor says it going to restore it’s original NBN it is BS or we are about to see the NBN costs go exponential.

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      A trend Bronny. You have previously said the internet connection was crap. Now it is fine. Which is it?
      The only exponential costs for the NBN have been Turnbull driven with this idiot’s idea of marrying copper and fibre. The worst possible solution of any sort.
      Your next piece of crap is the LNP chestnut: cost. It will not cost much more for fibre because this avoids a whole pile of problems like JOINING the cables.
      You are simply spruiking what you were told at Liberal Party briefings. As per normal the next scare.
      I hope that when the NBN comes you are left on copper. A fitting reward.

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      I hope so too Mick as I want to keep my copper phone line. Yes my copper ADSL was crap but my NBN wireless is great. Best thing is no wires to get wet with all the rain we are having at present.

      Just tested it and it’s running over twice as fast as promised so might watch a movie or two tonight cuddled up beside my nice warm fire.

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      Blah, blah, blah…..more BS.

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    Go for it Bonny! And after we’ve cut out unproductive spending on things like health, education and welfare we can get down to what really matters – Boosting defence expenditures while giving our pollies better rates of pay and superannuation. Those are two highly efficient areas if we’re silly enough to follow the thinking of this government.

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      I’d like to see the defence spending cut right back too. No need to send our troops overseas to fight other people’s wars. Unfortunately if you pay peanuts you get monkeys and if we don’t pay pollies enough then we get what we pay for.

      If our governements revenuse increases by 21% per year and they still spend more something is very wrong. They like the rest of us need to learn to live withint their means.

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      And let’s not forget about selling out the Great BArrier reef for the Adani coal business. Or shutting down all competing renewable energy for coal interests everywhere in the country.
      Bronny is so predictable. Cash for comment.

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      Renewables have a long way to go Mick. How many electric cars do you see on our highways?

      Do you realise that solar panels on every house in Australia will only work if people also add batteries? Our grid around here is already overloaded on a fine sunny day with less than half of the houses with solar. That’s when we crank up the dryer, bake a cake or use the air conditioner for nothing.

      I also thought Adani coal business was a non goer for now.

      Do you want me bank account details to pay me Mick as if you don’t no one else does?

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      Your continued ignorance never ceases to amaze me Bronny.

      Queensland and South Australia produce a quarter of their electricity needs from renewables. That is why the coal industry muscled its LNP MPs into reducing the feedin tariffs from 60 cents per kwh to 6 cents or less. Now these bastards on sell clean energy and make a killing. Batteries coming online very shortly will put an end to that. Already available but Elon Musk’s (Tesla) megafactory well under way in construction.

      As for electric cars Tesla has already sold all that it can make in the next 12 months.

      Adani is on the way even though Australian banks have pulled out financing due to backlash from the public. The project WILL go ahead if the current government is returned!

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      Well Bonny, We pay our CFA volunteers nix, and what a great job they do.

      Or do you call them Monkeys

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      Most CFA volunteers do it so that their property will be protected.

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      There you show your ignorance Bonny. Many CFA volunteers have gone to fight fires elsewhere and their homes have perished. Often they are off to fight fires nowhere near their homes as well.

      I find it disgusting the comment you made. What a disgusting person you are.

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      Most people I know in the CFA have properties so there is nothing disgusting about people helping each other out.

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      It’s not just ignorance from Bonny but sheer arrogance and impertinence.

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      I doubt if you have any real idea about CFA volunteers and why they do it.

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      It’s fairly obvious that you definitely don’t know Bonny. Many volunteers would be offended by your inaccurate assumption including your mate Tony Abbott who’s a volunteer himself.

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      Good news Bonny, advances in battery technology will soon make it economical to harvest and store power directly from Sun, this will make the use of stone age technology like coal redundant.
      Just like the LNP’s laughable strategy for selling coal to bring the budget under control.
      Bonny we do it because we believe in putting something back into the community, a lot of volunteers are retirees and some are actually on one form of welfare or another, but the government and their camp followers don’t like this mentioned as it does not fit in with the image they like the public to have about welfare recipients.
      If you look at organisations like the Reserves, RSPCA, Homes for the Aged, most charitable organisations I am sure you would be astounded by the number off welfare recipients and retirees that you will find working there.

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    The health system is as always in a shambles.
    The emergency departments cannot cope with more patients and less staff.
    AND money problems especially for pensioners means that they will not go to a doctor or specialist because they cannot afford it and will suffer in silence! It is not all free!

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      Richer Australians who can afford Private Health Cover do not have most of these problems. But then this government has the intention of getting out of the health business because the public system for the most part has no relevance to well off Australians.

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      Obviously Mick you are not aware that the rich people tap into a third tier of health in Australia which is not covered by health insurance. Ever wondered why they get treated so quickly?

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      Neither of the two major parties talk in terms of aspiration in health, education and justice. The aspiration of every society should be for all of its citizens to have affordable access to the highest quality of those three fundamental rights in a democracy. The LNP have an aspiration, as reflected in their IPA agenda, to ensure the full privatisation of all three of those aspirations. This way they can provide the highest level of care to their support base. And, as Bonny would say, “Why shouldn’t they?”

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      Rich people get treated QUICKLY because they have the money to pay for their treatments. The point is that Turnbull and his cronies seek to disable public health because THIS IS OF NO INTEREST TO THE LNP’S SUPPORTER BASE. Quite simple. CLASS WARFARE………the betrayal of our nation!!!

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      And why shouldn’t they Mick. I for one wouldn’t wait if I was in pain just so I’d get it free under Medicare.

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      And here we have it Bronny. The poor can crawl into the gutter and die for all you care whilst the rich have their own system. So taxpayer money should go towards the rich but be removed from the poor. How does that work when the majority of taxes are collected from average Australians? Oh yes……….crooked right wing government. Yeah.

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      Mick I am paying for it so where is the taxpayer money needed? Yes the rich do have their system and why not? Every rich person that pays for their treatment means one poor person gets treated under Medicare instead of them. Nothing crooked about that as it helps the poor.

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    If you are desperately ill, nothing else matters. You can be desperately poor and still be happy as shown by many in disadvantaged countries & communities. Health will always trump wealth.

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      You call an ambulance if you are desperately ill.

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      If you are dying of a disease, Bonny, it’s too late to call an ambulance. I wish you unwell. It would be the only way to make you realise what’s most important in life.

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      If you are that ill why put yourself through it? Makes no sense to me. The sooner we are allowed to end our own lives the better.

      Just had a friend of mine spend over a week in hospital slowly dying. I really can’t see anything worse.

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      Never expect anything resembling empathy, common sense or logic from any of the government sponsored voices on this website Paulodapotter. Not going to happen.

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      Palliative care is anything but empathy or common sense Mick.

      I not too keen on being in a nursing home (God’s waiting room) playing bingo waiting for my number to be called either.

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      Avoiding the issue is your expert example, Bonny. The issue is the relative importance of health and economics. Remember?
      You’re right of course, Mick. Bonny has to be a plant. No one could actually believe a thing he/she/it writes.

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      Yeah Paulodapotter. Not really worth responding to this person….but I enjoy the sport. I must have a bit of Irish in me. Chuckle.
      Methinks Bronny will not get to enter GOD’s waiting room. Heading the opposite way. At least most of her ex pollie colleagues will be there to greet her.

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      Already been to see “god” but got sent back as he wasn’t ready for me.

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      Who ever would be Bronny. A basketcase.

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      Looks like I get to stay around longer then Mick to help more people see the light.

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      No doubt Bonny would also claim we should kill babies born with a disability. Can’t have them being a ”burden” on the poor old PRIVILEGED taxpayer, can we?

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      Agree Rainey the first thing I asked my doctor when I had my kids was was he prepared to not let them live if they were born disabled. It is simply cruel to let them live. Not to mention a burden on the taxpayer and those who have to look after them. NDIS packages over $100,000 a year to keep these people alive with no quality of life is absolutely ridiculous.

      I’d also like all women to be tested at 12 weeks as well for abnormalities.

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      Bonny, do your children know that you were willing to kill them at birth if they were not perfect?

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      Yes and made the same request of their doctors as well as tests at 12 weeks gestation.

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      How do you respond to an interfering, busy body like Bonny. Thank goodness I did not marry into a family like that.

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      I have a child who was born disabled and now is a professional, paying taxes, and caring for a family – a beautiful human being and very capable. I also have a disabled grandson whose future is yet unknown, but what we do know is that he is super-intelligent. He is destined for great things. Disabilities don’t make people worthless. What kind of MONSTER would consider killing a person because they are not born perfect. I know who I’d like to see killed – the person who is CRIPPLED by lack of human decency. MONSTERS who suggest destroying another human being should be exterminated.

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      The most brilliant man on Earth is in a wheel chair, can’t talk without a machine can’t even breath without help and will never be able to procreate. Bony would have had him killed at birth. This is a person who has a grip on reality? I don’t think so. Consider this Bonny, do you think that given the choice humanity would look at you and deem your life worth saving?

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    I think healthcare spending is surely part of the economy!
    It provides and involves training, jobs, and growth of something useful. It elevates more people into useful and productive life, as well, which in turn helps the nation and avoids ongoing cost burdens.

    The economy is money for everyone, not just for Me.
    It is not pence trickling from above, to Me, either. That’s a furphy, that one!

    Solely self interest is actually self destructive in its realisation.

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      Yes, but what do you think is the most important issue. Would you go into debt to save your bacon?

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      Our stupid government did but went way too far and now no one wants to face the consequences of reigning it in.

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      Yes, Paulodapotter – I would, and I did. I went into heavy debt to give my special needs child a chance to live a full and productive life, and I have no regrets. I will retire struggling because of it, but the rewards are far richer than any amount of money can buy. The day out society decides that avoiding debt matters more than people is the day I can hopefully check out, because I would NEVER want to live in such a vile world.

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