Election 2016: health more important than economy

Older voters believe that health care is more important than the economy.

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While Malcolm Turnbull focuses on ‘Jobs and Growth’, he’s missing the mark with older voters, with 52 per cent claiming health is the issue that will decide who gets their vote in the Federal Election 2016.

The pre-election survey, undertaken by the Council on the Ageing (COTA) found that for voters aged over 50, health is one of the top three issues that matters most for 52 per cent, compared with the economy which, for 30 per cent, only rated in the top three. This is a turnaround from the 2013 election when the economy, at 46 per cent just pipped health care at 45 per cent.

The survey asked the questions of 1145 COTA members and included those who completed the survey prior to the 2013 election. And perhaps the older people get, the more health care matters, with over half of those surveyed over 70 years of age.

And it seems that Labor is striking a chord with older voters. When asked which party was best to manage health care, Labor was the top choice, as was the case when asked about managing aged care, superannuation, pensions, older workers and affordable housing.

But in what could be seen as good or bad news for both parties, 25 per cent of those surveyed said that they would switch their vote between now and the Federal Election on 2 July – a 10 per cent increase from those that gave the same response in 2013.

COTA Chief Executive Ian Yates said this should be a warning for both parties, "Older voters are becoming more volatile, they are not as rusted on as they used to be, and they are more sceptical about the mainstream parties. They are more prepared to look out for their own interests and, unlike younger voters, they are all registered."

Read more at TheAge.com.au

Read more at COTA.org.au 

Opinion: Will your voice be heard?

As YourLifeChocies reported last week, older voters will hold more power in the upcoming Federal Election 2016 than younger voters and the sooner the major parties realise this, the better.

With over 65-year-olds representing 22 per cent of the electorate, policies on issues such as health, pensions, aged care and superannuation will matter come 2 July. And this is borne out in the results from the YourLifeChoices pre-Budget 2016 survey, that clearly defined what older Australians wanted to see in the Budget and the policies that will determine how they vote.

Indeed, when we asked you, our members, which issues you would like to see determine the outcome of the federal Election 2016, health and an increase in Age Pension topped the list, with an end to over generous superannuation concessions for the wealthy, climate change and education all featuring highly.

But with all the electioneering that’s going on, it’s difficult to determine which policies each party supports.

With headlines full of support for one policy then backflip on another, keeping track of what you’re actually voting for is nigh on impossible unless you’re glued to the news 24 hours a day. So, we’ve cut to the chase and asked the Liberal, Labor and Greens parties for a brief outline of which policies they will be supporting. With a few details still to be ironed out, we’ll publish these by the end of the week, giving those voters who are undecided a chance to make an informed decision.

We know older voters have a voice and it’s a voice that’s not afraid to speak up. All we need to do is make sure it’s heard.

Do you know how you will vote in the Federal Election 2016? Could a policy change before then sway your vote? When choosing a party to lead the country, do you agree that health care is more important than the economy?

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    JOHN T
    14th Jun 2016
    9:57am
    A healthy population is more productive than worrying about the economy short term as with people able to afford medication less hours will be lost due to sickness and more jobs created through more positive employees
    Robin7
    14th Jun 2016
    12:26pm
    Abbot/Turnbull have gifted Australia with Record low wages growth, Record low income growth, Record increase in household debt,
    Record numbers of people forced into part time employment (+26.8%).

    The Myth that LNP grow the economy is just that, a Myth.
    ALP governments (Keating/Gillard/Rudd) have consistently Outperformed the OECD by decent margins, With Rudd even GROWING the Australian economy during the GFC (+2.9%) while the rest of the OECD went backwards.
    The LNP struggle, with Howard during the Greatest Mining Boom EVER managing a pathetic +0.8% over the OECD.
    Abbot and Turnbull seem intent on tanking the economy with a measly +0.6% growth.

    The strongest GDP growth ever recorded was by a government that focused on public sector investment and social welfare. This government also had one of the lowest levels of private sector investment.
    Business Friendly does not mean good for the economy.

    Health, Education and Pensions. Invest in All of these and the economy will grow.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:30pm
    Agree welfare is a growth industry in this country.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:33pm
    As is political deceit. It has become an artform since Tony Abbott arrived.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:39pm
    Nay well before that Mick. Probably began in Australia in 1901 with the first PM.
    Robin7
    14th Jun 2016
    1:23pm
    Welfare Growth is another MYTH.

    The federal treasury's own Intergenerational Report,
    "Australia to 2050: future challenges"
    analyses the changes Australia will face over the next 40 years.

    The report says government spending on pensions and income support payments in 2009-10 was 6.9 per cent of GDP.
    It predicts that there will be minor fluctuations and it will still be 6.9 per cent in 2049-50

    Welfare is obviously only a growth industry in your Imagination.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    1:29pm
    Sounds to me like some big cuts will happen before 2049-50 or people will have to work a whole lot longer before they get welfare.
    Robin7
    14th Jun 2016
    2:03pm
    Those figures are calculated on the status quo;
    IFF nothing changes this is where Australia will be.

    The report says government spending on pensions and income support payments in 2009-10 was 6.9 per cent of GDP.
    It predicts that there will be minor fluctuations and it will still be 6.9 per cent in 2049-50
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    2:12pm
    Well I for one are not taking any notice of it as I know for certain that there will a lot less taxpayers in 2049-2050 than there are today.
    HarrysOpinion
    14th Jun 2016
    2:23pm
    The Welfare "industry" will grow by an average of 9.75% pa over next 4 years. The Tax Revenue "industry" will have an average shortfall of 15% pa over next 4 years. The problem is not the growth of the "welfare industry" but the irresponsible management of the tax revenue income. To balance the books the government needs to increase tax revenue by 15% pa over the next 4 years. They can achieve this by increasing annual average company tax to 36% with limited tax deductions and an average 5% increase in Individual income tax revenue with limited tax deductions. The problem is not welfare, the problem is lack of income tax revenue. It's all very well for Turnbull to slogan "jobs & growth" but's it's not all very well the way they structured the Budget estimates that show an Operating Tax Revenue Loss over the next 4 years which means, that over the next 4 years they really don't expect any increase in jobs and growth and Malcolm's slogan is nothing but an illusion.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    2:25pm
    Tax revenue is already increasing by 21% a year now.
    Robin7
    14th Jun 2016
    6:01pm
    I was not clear,
    the "IFF nothing changes" refers to some event totally unexpected, such as (god forbid) a massive war, or a devastating environmental catastrophe. (not just climate change)

    The report calculates the changing dynamic of the population,
    (the percentages of people in the age brackets).
    The latest analysis of current and predicted population growth trends is by 2050 there should be 3 billion above 60yrs, 6 billion under 60, and 2 billion children, at that point the planets population should stabilise.
    Of the 3 Billion above 60yrs, improvements in health will allow more to work longer, and improvements in superannuation will allow more people to be financially independent.

    So the reports figure of stable spending of 6.9% of GDP on pensions and income support as far as 2050 is a reliable number.
    HarrysOpinion
    15th Jun 2016
    4:55am
    Annual revenue increase over next 4 years is:-

    2016/2017-5.99%
    2017/2018-6.35%
    2018/2019-7.44%
    2019.2020-6.56%

    Obviously you speak from your back passage and it's all crap.
    Rae
    15th Jun 2016
    4:55pm
    Wish I could predict the future and revenue increases with such certainty. Would make my job heaps easier for sure.

    Knowing returns four years into the future would be bliss for me,
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    10:02am
    I will vote for the party who spends the least. Health and education are way too inefficient and more money is not going to fix them as they just find unproductive ways of spending the extra money. Pension system is way too generous and needs to be reigned in more.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    10:26am
    Incorrect. YOU will vote Liberal. That is what ex hacks always do. You will do no different!
    Your troll comments never cease to amaze in their brazen stupidity and twisting of the truth. Perhaps inform readers here that the Australian pension system is the second lowest in the developed world with your employer wanting to make it the worst by a long mile.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    10:32am
    My employer has as much influence on Australia politics as you do Mick. Zilch or very close to it. I haven't worked for anyone but myself now for about 30 years.
    Wstaton
    14th Jun 2016
    10:51am
    Well Bonny,

    If our education is so inefficient why is so much money being pumped into the Oh so efficient private enterprise private schools by our governments.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    11:00am
    That's the problem there is way too much money being pumped into public education. Our kids are being taught too much useless stuff and a lot can't read and write when they leave school.
    bletch
    14th Jun 2016
    11:19am
    Typical Bonny comments here yet again.

    When karma comes around again you will get your just desserts
    believe me !!!!
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    11:24am
    Goodie I love karma stuff but it never seems to come my way.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:48am
    We'll all face our maker some day Bronny. The response to you is already in writing.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    11:53am
    I'm really looking forward to that day Mick. He has already sent me back once as he just wasn't ready for me.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:00pm
    Being sacrilegious is the ultimate sign of ignorance and stupidity. Welcome Bronny. You have arrived.
    happy
    14th Jun 2016
    12:00pm
    Agree Bonny. We must be the unhealthiest nation on earth to need to spend so much. Waste waste waste. Overservicing comes to mind too.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:06pm
    I really pity you Mick as you just can't see anything else beyond your own narrow beliefs.
    Robin7
    14th Jun 2016
    12:23pm
    Spending the least? Well that ain't the LNP.
    Government debt has done nothing but grow grow grow under Abbott/Turnbull.
    Wstaton
    14th Jun 2016
    12:32pm
    Well there's a growth industry for you Robin.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:40pm
    My views are anything other than "narrow" Bronny. I cannot be bought and I will not betray my country for ANYONE who shows up with a fat chequebook. That my dear troll is prostitution. You do a great job in that environment.
    jackyd
    14th Jun 2016
    12:53pm
    Good on you Bonny, the one eye fool's just can't see that government debt inherited from the Labor shambles and now being increased by Turnbull as will the promises of Shorten are fast becoming out of control and threatening the triple A.
    Now over one billion a month in interest, the self interest in healthcare compared to the health of the nation is staggering.
    Oldie84
    14th Jun 2016
    1:07pm
    I'm with Bonny, at last another of the few with common sense.
    Aussie
    14th Jun 2016
    1:09pm
    Give Bonny a break ...it is only a forum and Bonny is entitled to her opinion and change as she want it is Bonny's right.
    Do not get nasty please let's be friendly and constructive not a perverse group of people with nothing to do other than pick on Bonny and insult others

    This is my opinion and some respect may go a long way come on let be civilized retired people
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    1:10pm
    The moment Labor is elected it's goodbye triple A rating. So that means a lot more interest to be paid on that debt. So it's either cut spending to pay back the debt or put more of the tax revenue into paying off that debt. With tax revenue increasing at 21% they should have oodles to pay back that debt.
    Robin7
    14th Jun 2016
    2:00pm
    IFF Australia loses it's credit rating it will be because Abbot/Turnbull/Hockey/Morrison ditched a resources tax for foreign owned miners - who we've just discovered have been secretly siphoning billions of dollars through tax havens - just as the national revenue plunged.

    Australia has emerged from the greatest resources boom of all time with NOTHING to show except a deficit that's likely to balloon for decades and an LNP that simply refuses to tackle the problem.

    The Myth that LNP grow the economy is just that, a Myth.


    If you want to save money, how about cutting off the 455 ex federal politicians, and partners of deceased retired politicians, who are still being paid to the tune of $80+ million dollars, then there are the 2,000 ex state pollies Australia wide at $300+ million dollars. Then there are 4 fully paid staff for each ex Prime Minister, cars for premiers and ministers, plus rail and air travel for all. Plus all sorts of allowances (the details of which are all but impossible to get).
    ALL payments and perks are Not-Audited, Not-Means Tested, and Tax Free!!

    That saves at least $500million a year, and probably more than a Billion.
    HarrysOpinion
    14th Jun 2016
    2:27pm
    in past posts, Bonny, you stated that you were retired. So get your story right.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    2:36pm
    If you haven't realised it my employer is simply me no one else. Yes I am retired but I still dabble in lots of things.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    4:04pm
    No Bronny. Cash for comment from the government is the only bit which fits as no other explanation can justify the one eyed brain dead trolling.
    Sceptic
    14th Jun 2016
    4:35pm
    Enough of the ad hominem MICK. Also there is no R in Bonny.
    Anonymous
    17th Jun 2016
    7:34am
    ''Give Bonny a break ...'' Aussie?

    Sorry. NO. When a MONSTER like Bonny suggests my child and grandchild should have killed at birth, she deserves far worse than the insults she gets here. Bonny should have been killed at birth. Would be a far better world without the likes of Bonny in it.
    Dallanhk
    14th Jun 2016
    10:18am
    A strong economy should deliver benefits to all. In Australia it delivers benefits to the rich and the richer. Free health care, free education and a safety net for the less fortunate- these should be the motivations for working for a strong economy. Sadly a bigger, better house, flashier car and holidays abroad seem to be the only driver.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    10:34am
    Be careful you do not listen to the lies about a "strong economy" from Turnbull inc. This is the lie which is being sold, but just like his predecessor it is meant to deceive so that AUstralians are duped into voting for the government, the worst of all things to do when you have a predatory government attacking the those at the end of the food chain.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    10:36am
    Well Mick Turnbill is the our only hope of a strong economy as I have not faith like many others in shorten economics.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    10:48am
    More propaganda from our sponsor.
    Kaz
    14th Jun 2016
    12:56pm
    Bonnie
    He had promise and a chance to show us his merit, but alas he is just a businessman and beholden to those who allow him to stay there. He does not have the benefit of good smarts around him, even Julie Bishop stays quiet just to hold her position for what may happen in the future.
    Please try to think of those less fortunate/canny/smart than you and don't begrudge them (and really do your homework rather than reiterate LNP rhetoric).
    Robin7
    14th Jun 2016
    2:06pm
    The Myth that LNP grow the economy is just that, a Myth.
    ALP governments (Keating/Gillard/Rudd) have consistently Outperformed the OECD by decent margins, With Rudd

    even GROWING the Australian economy during the GFC (+2.9%) while the rest of the OECD went backwards.
    The LNP struggle, with Howard during the Greatest Mining Boom EVER managing a pathetic +0.8% over the OECD.
    Abbot and Turnbull seem intent on tanking the economy with a measly +0.6% growth.

    The Myth that LNP grow the economy is just that, a Myth.
    HarrysOpinion
    14th Jun 2016
    2:34pm
    There are few of us here who have no faith in your statements Bonny let alone Malcolm's. Suffice to say that I am being generous with this comment.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    2:46pm
    That's why I am where I am today and most people have been left behind I guess. Too many people just blindly follow each other and fail to really think for themselves and suffer the consequences.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    4:12pm
    A couple of weeks ago you said you were going down to Centrelink Bronny. So what is it: self funded or Centrelink......or maybe something different every day?
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    4:38pm
    Because Mick one of the other things I dabble in is helping others negotiate their way through Centrelink.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    8:29pm
    You are as slippery as the LNP front bench Bronny. All carry the same brand.
    HarrysOpinion
    15th Jun 2016
    5:01am
    If you were so head of us here Bonny you wouldn't be wasting your time on here with your antagonising crappy comments. You are full of it that's for sure!!!
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    10:31am
    Debbie: "jobs and growth".....'spin and sin'. 'lies and deceit'. Ok, I guess that makes a point about the current lot.
    I agree that some older Australians are changing their voting habit but many still need to be convinced of the bleeding obvious as they fall into an age where reason seems to evaporate.
    The retirement cohort is more interested in health because this panders to our needs.
    With this in mind it will be good to see this government off and hopefully the soul searching it is forced to do thereafter will see a whole new bunch of new blood come through which is less tightly controlled by the big end of town and which governs for the nation, not the party's election funding contributors.
    I hope you are right about your observation Debbie.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    10:34am
    Unfortunately Mick the LNP will be still in government in 1095 days as there is simply nothing better to replace them with. People are not silly enough to believe shorten economics will work. I certainly don't.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    10:44am
    Your posts are driven by payment and this is what ex Liberal Party hacks do when they retire. Readers understand that your posts are not genuine.
    If you think that even the mentally challenged believe that Turnbull and Morrison are telling the truth then you are off with the fairies Bronny......well that is a given anyway.
    In 3 weeks time there will be a new government and it will not be a Turnbull led one. Please pass on to Malcolm that I am disappointed that he has sold his ideals and his soul since becoming leader of the party. That says a lot about who and what the man is. Not pretty!
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    11:09am
    Rubbish Mick. No shorten economics in 3 weeks time.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:24am
    You will be out of a job in 3 weeks Bronny. I wonder if you'll be trotting out the party spiel in your sleep then.....
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    11:27am
    I agree Mick I'll be out of a job for another 3 years but I have many more opportunities in the pipeline.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:44am
    When voters see how good Independents and minor parties are you can put a zero on the end of that 3 Bronny.
    I guess the party machine will find a job for you in the machine somewhere. I'd suggest the tea lady job, something which might be appropriate to your abilities.
    Time for another helicopter ride Bronny.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:02pm
    Too much fog today for flying Mick.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:41pm
    Never mind. More in the pipeline.
    doclisa
    14th Jun 2016
    10:50am
    The liberal party is deeply engaged in attacking any community, welfare notion. They see medicare as welfare, rather than a support mechanism for society. We need a civil society as a sign of a healthy community. Thus we need youth payments, so that under the new system they are not thrown back to their parents for support. That is how you get generational unemployment. Further the health of the population needs to stop being a football between the states and the feds. we pay for medicare in a levy, aside from our other taxes and we want it to work. He keeps saying jobs and growth while denying any opportunities,through introducing more expensive education, which should be free, cutting medicare payments and bulkbilling, charging for mamograms (that is insane in the middle of an epidemic), and cutting youth support specifically in the regions.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    11:05am
    Way too many people getting useless uni degrees. Not enough people prepared to do the menial tasks any more. None wants to go fruit picking so we have to import backpackers to do that. Send some of those youth fruit picking instead of backpackers.

    Mamograms are only 50% effective at best with a lot of breast cancers being missed. No one tells women this until they have one missed. MRIs are far better at detecting breast cancers but these are not even scheduled under Medicare.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:32am
    So good to see that people have seen what is going on with the current government doclisa.

    The nonsense from Bronny always entertains me and she has failed to mention that we have over 120,000 people in the country on 457 visas (cheap labour!). Whilst Australians are forced onto the unemployment queue we see some of our employer countrymen refusing to pay first world wages and seeking their employees from third world countries. All aided and abetted by a government seeking to implement the Howard work Choices by a different name.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    11:35am
    I haven't seen anything to say this is going to change for the better any time soon Mick. I had a year 12 student ask me what career they should pursue so I gave them a list of all those entitled to 457 visas.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:47am
    Must have been an encyclopaedia Bronny. 120,000 names. You are such a liar....but then what else is in the DNA of Liberal Party pollies and hacks.
    Wstaton
    14th Jun 2016
    12:08pm
    Well there you are Bonny, cut out all these UNI degrees (get a better job Hockey). Get more people into menial jobs on low pay, then we can call them leaners as they have to be helped with healthcare (that they cannot afford privately)
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:14pm
    Problem is that those out of uni today have a good chance of not getting a job. Why have such a debt over your head knowing that it is so uncertain that you will ever get to pay it back doing what you trained to do. So we have uni educated kids doing menial jobs on low pay that they have no interest in doing.
    Wstaton
    14th Jun 2016
    12:27pm
    Methinks that anyone would prefer not to be doing menial jobs UNI degree or not. Apart from this how are we supposed to head for being the Innovative country if we cut down on Uni graduates.

    Ad lib the LNP.
    PlanB
    14th Jun 2016
    12:38pm
    Bonny said "Way too many people getting useless uni degrees. Not enough people prepared to do the menial tasks any more. None wants to go fruit picking so we have to import backpackers to do that. Send some of those youth fruit picking instead of backpackers.

    Mamograms are only 50% effective at best with a lot of breast cancers being missed. No one tells women this until they have one missed. MRIs are far better at detecting breast cancers but these are not even scheduled under Medicare.
    _______
    I must say I agree with her on this
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:45pm
    The "debt" you mention Bronny is from your sponsor. An intelligent system would be quotas and entry threshholds which cut out students who are not up to tertiary challenges. That is what is needed but the LNP seem happier to push degrees up to $100,000 and much more for rewarding careers. Keeps the riffraff out as well............ Right?
    Kaz
    14th Jun 2016
    1:00pm
    And we haven't really talked about the FTA and what this will mean with Chinese workers (business mentality again)
    Kaz
    14th Jun 2016
    1:03pm
    No extra jobs for oz and exploitation for the workers.
    Wstaton
    14th Jun 2016
    1:29pm
    There should be an offshore tax. When workers are brought in to replace Aussie workers there should be a tax on it to pay for the Aussie workers put out of a job.

    The same in reverse. Any business that sends jobs offshore that can be done here should have a offshore penalty tax.

    One cannot believe for example that the thousands of help desks sent overseas cannot be performed by Aussie workers.

    And in the main these are being done by Aussie businesses who are making a profit from whom "us".
    Robin7
    14th Jun 2016
    2:17pm
    Wstaton - good ideas,

    Through my kids schools I know there were a lot of help desk/call centers around the burbs here.
    All of those jobs went to Philippines and South Africa, security companies, ISP, telecoms.
    All jobs that Aussies were doing, all jobs lost.
    Some of those people are still looking for work. Some are still on benefits, but the companies they worked for posted record profits in their tax haven homes.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    2:29pm
    Those overseas call centres are nothing but a big pain in the you know where. You finally work out what they are saying only to then work out none of it even makes sense. I just ask for someone that speaks Aussie English I can understand otherwise they get no where with me.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    4:15pm
    Well tell your employer that Malcolm should be making it illegal to outsource labour. Including 457 visas. Australians need work, not unemployment payments which hurt the economy.
    Captain
    14th Jun 2016
    5:01pm
    I was a Project Manager at one stage in the late 90's and part of one project was to lay an underwater telephone cable from Darwin ti Delhi in India. When I found out that upwards of 750 Australian Call Centre staff would be sacked and replaced with about 400 Indian staff, I tendered my resignation to my employer who could not believe that someone would resign because of a principle. I was happy to be out of that kind of business and soon found another job that I enjoyed for many years until I retired.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    5:23pm
    Well if Australians didn't want so much money then they wouldn't be importing labour under 457 visas. When our dollar gets to US 40c things might change.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    8:35pm
    This has been a trend many decades in the making Captain. Created by big business. They couldn't get their Work Choices in so this and 457 visas were the defaults to get around the will of the public.
    What you have described is the corruption from the coalition side of politics whereby this bunch of misfits disobeys voters, runs propaganda campaigns via it's media interests and lies like nobody I have ever seen anywhere.
    I respect your ethics Captain. Sadly you can see the 'ethics' from some of our posters who post some their propaganda day after day. I hope that readers can see these posters for what they are: Australians of no merit.
    ex PS
    16th Jun 2016
    5:41pm
    Bonny, if you don't have a degree these days you are destined to live in poverty. I have a son who has been bought in to restructure and basically save branches within his company. He has succeeded in every case and handed over the branch to green uni graduates and moved on to the next mess to clean it up. He was told that he will never go any further up the corporate ladder in that company, why you may ask, because that company has a policy of not paying more than a certain amount unless the employee has a degree.
    And that Bonny is why you need a degree, incompetent company Directors trying to save jobs for their mates graduating children.
    Kaz
    17th Jun 2016
    3:51pm
    Of all people, bonny, you say if Australians didn't want so much money, yet that is all you talk about. You are such a hypocrite! So it is ok for you but not for others - you are definitely like the LNP, feel that you are entitled. I shake my head in disbelief at you!
    Phil1943
    14th Jun 2016
    11:13am
    How can the economy be important when we blithely order 12 submarines at a probably cost of $30 billion over the next two decades? I wish this crowd of clowns in Canberra were better at their jobs and prioritised their choices like seniors do. We'd have a much better, fairer and healthier country.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:37am
    You are spot on. Not only is the sunmarine order stupid (the submarines are already superseded) but spending that amount of taxpayer money is not justified. Whilst there will be some jobs generated surely Australia should be trying to regain number one status in renewable energy. This is the future whilst submarines, once built, will see us back to square one.
    The reality of life is that the current government will not abandon its coal funding and that is why the future has been sold out for the past.
    Wstaton
    14th Jun 2016
    12:10pm
    $50 billion Phil.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:15pm
    IMagine what half of that would do if put into new technology businesses Wstaton. Turnbull crowes about high tech but this is just electioneering. It will disappear after the election just like with Abbott.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:16pm
    There are some helicopters order too I believe that simply don't yet work.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    2:18pm
    Obviously ordered by the government Bronny. But then the NBN doesn't work after your boss butchered it.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    2:23pm
    NBN works very well for me Mick.

    Do you realise that Labor's NBN would never have been possible let alone work? For a start those existing pits were simply not big enough to take all those fibre cables. The costs of making much bigger pits was never ever costed in to Labor's calculations and I believe it still isn't.

    So if Labor says it going to restore it's original NBN it is BS or we are about to see the NBN costs go exponential.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    4:19pm
    A trend Bronny. You have previously said the internet connection was crap. Now it is fine. Which is it?
    The only exponential costs for the NBN have been Turnbull driven with this idiot's idea of marrying copper and fibre. The worst possible solution of any sort.
    Your next piece of crap is the LNP chestnut: cost. It will not cost much more for fibre because this avoids a whole pile of problems like JOINING the cables.
    You are simply spruiking what you were told at Liberal Party briefings. As per normal the next scare.
    I hope that when the NBN comes you are left on copper. A fitting reward.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    4:51pm
    I hope so too Mick as I want to keep my copper phone line. Yes my copper ADSL was crap but my NBN wireless is great. Best thing is no wires to get wet with all the rain we are having at present.

    Just tested it and it's running over twice as fast as promised so might watch a movie or two tonight cuddled up beside my nice warm fire.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:44pm
    Blah, blah, blah.....more BS.
    Phil1943
    14th Jun 2016
    11:18am
    Go for it Bonny! And after we've cut out unproductive spending on things like health, education and welfare we can get down to what really matters - Boosting defence expenditures while giving our pollies better rates of pay and superannuation. Those are two highly efficient areas if we're silly enough to follow the thinking of this government.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    11:24am
    I'd like to see the defence spending cut right back too. No need to send our troops overseas to fight other people's wars. Unfortunately if you pay peanuts you get monkeys and if we don't pay pollies enough then we get what we pay for.

    If our governements revenuse increases by 21% per year and they still spend more something is very wrong. They like the rest of us need to learn to live withint their means.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:39am
    And let's not forget about selling out the Great BArrier reef for the Adani coal business. Or shutting down all competing renewable energy for coal interests everywhere in the country.
    Bronny is so predictable. Cash for comment.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    11:59am
    Renewables have a long way to go Mick. How many electric cars do you see on our highways?

    Do you realise that solar panels on every house in Australia will only work if people also add batteries? Our grid around here is already overloaded on a fine sunny day with less than half of the houses with solar. That's when we crank up the dryer, bake a cake or use the air conditioner for nothing.

    I also thought Adani coal business was a non goer for now.

    Do you want me bank account details to pay me Mick as if you don't no one else does?
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:08pm
    Your continued ignorance never ceases to amaze me Bronny.

    Queensland and South Australia produce a quarter of their electricity needs from renewables. That is why the coal industry muscled its LNP MPs into reducing the feedin tariffs from 60 cents per kwh to 6 cents or less. Now these bastards on sell clean energy and make a killing. Batteries coming online very shortly will put an end to that. Already available but Elon Musk's (Tesla) megafactory well under way in construction.

    As for electric cars Tesla has already sold all that it can make in the next 12 months.

    Adani is on the way even though Australian banks have pulled out financing due to backlash from the public. The project WILL go ahead if the current government is returned!
    Wstaton
    14th Jun 2016
    12:14pm
    Well Bonny, We pay our CFA volunteers nix, and what a great job they do.

    Or do you call them Monkeys
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:28pm
    Most CFA volunteers do it so that their property will be protected.
    Wstaton
    14th Jun 2016
    12:37pm
    There you show your ignorance Bonny. Many CFA volunteers have gone to fight fires elsewhere and their homes have perished. Often they are off to fight fires nowhere near their homes as well.

    I find it disgusting the comment you made. What a disgusting person you are.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:56pm
    Most people I know in the CFA have properties so there is nothing disgusting about people helping each other out.
    HarrysOpinion
    14th Jun 2016
    2:41pm
    It's not just ignorance from Bonny but sheer arrogance and impertinence.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    5:39pm
    I doubt if you have any real idea about CFA volunteers and why they do it.
    HarrysOpinion
    15th Jun 2016
    5:12am
    It's fairly obvious that you definitely don't know Bonny. Many volunteers would be offended by your inaccurate assumption including your mate Tony Abbott who's a volunteer himself.
    ex PS
    16th Jun 2016
    5:58pm
    Good news Bonny, advances in battery technology will soon make it economical to harvest and store power directly from Sun, this will make the use of stone age technology like coal redundant.
    Just like the LNP's laughable strategy for selling coal to bring the budget under control.
    Bonny we do it because we believe in putting something back into the community, a lot of volunteers are retirees and some are actually on one form of welfare or another, but the government and their camp followers don't like this mentioned as it does not fit in with the image they like the public to have about welfare recipients.
    If you look at organisations like the Reserves, RSPCA, Homes for the Aged, most charitable organisations I am sure you would be astounded by the number off welfare recipients and retirees that you will find working there.
    bletch
    14th Jun 2016
    11:24am
    The health system is as always in a shambles.
    The emergency departments cannot cope with more patients and less staff.
    AND money problems especially for pensioners means that they will not go to a doctor or specialist because they cannot afford it and will suffer in silence! It is not all free!
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:41am
    Richer Australians who can afford Private Health Cover do not have most of these problems. But then this government has the intention of getting out of the health business because the public system for the most part has no relevance to well off Australians.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    11:50am
    Obviously Mick you are not aware that the rich people tap into a third tier of health in Australia which is not covered by health insurance. Ever wondered why they get treated so quickly?
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    12:02pm
    Neither of the two major parties talk in terms of aspiration in health, education and justice. The aspiration of every society should be for all of its citizens to have affordable access to the highest quality of those three fundamental rights in a democracy. The LNP have an aspiration, as reflected in their IPA agenda, to ensure the full privatisation of all three of those aspirations. This way they can provide the highest level of care to their support base. And, as Bonny would say, "Why shouldn't they?"
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:10pm
    Rich people get treated QUICKLY because they have the money to pay for their treatments. The point is that Turnbull and his cronies seek to disable public health because THIS IS OF NO INTEREST TO THE LNP'S SUPPORTER BASE. Quite simple. CLASS WARFARE.........the betrayal of our nation!!!
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    2:39pm
    And why shouldn't they Mick. I for one wouldn't wait if I was in pain just so I'd get it free under Medicare.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    4:21pm
    And here we have it Bronny. The poor can crawl into the gutter and die for all you care whilst the rich have their own system. So taxpayer money should go towards the rich but be removed from the poor. How does that work when the majority of taxes are collected from average Australians? Oh yes..........crooked right wing government. Yeah.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    5:37pm
    Mick I am paying for it so where is the taxpayer money needed? Yes the rich do have their system and why not? Every rich person that pays for their treatment means one poor person gets treated under Medicare instead of them. Nothing crooked about that as it helps the poor.
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    11:57am
    If you are desperately ill, nothing else matters. You can be desperately poor and still be happy as shown by many in disadvantaged countries & communities. Health will always trump wealth.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:00pm
    You call an ambulance if you are desperately ill.
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    12:05pm
    If you are dying of a disease, Bonny, it's too late to call an ambulance. I wish you unwell. It would be the only way to make you realise what's most important in life.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:10pm
    If you are that ill why put yourself through it? Makes no sense to me. The sooner we are allowed to end our own lives the better.

    Just had a friend of mine spend over a week in hospital slowly dying. I really can't see anything worse.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:13pm
    Never expect anything resembling empathy, common sense or logic from any of the government sponsored voices on this website Paulodapotter. Not going to happen.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:24pm
    Palliative care is anything but empathy or common sense Mick.

    I not too keen on being in a nursing home (God's waiting room) playing bingo waiting for my number to be called either.
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    12:36pm
    Avoiding the issue is your expert example, Bonny. The issue is the relative importance of health and economics. Remember?
    You're right of course, Mick. Bonny has to be a plant. No one could actually believe a thing he/she/it writes.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:50pm
    Yeah Paulodapotter. Not really worth responding to this person....but I enjoy the sport. I must have a bit of Irish in me. Chuckle.
    Methinks Bronny will not get to enter GOD's waiting room. Heading the opposite way. At least most of her ex pollie colleagues will be there to greet her.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    1:26pm
    Already been to see "god" but got sent back as he wasn't ready for me.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    2:19pm
    Who ever would be Bronny. A basketcase.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    2:34pm
    Looks like I get to stay around longer then Mick to help more people see the light.
    Anonymous
    15th Jun 2016
    11:03am
    No doubt Bonny would also claim we should kill babies born with a disability. Can't have them being a ''burden'' on the poor old PRIVILEGED taxpayer, can we?
    Bonny
    15th Jun 2016
    1:16pm
    Agree Rainey the first thing I asked my doctor when I had my kids was was he prepared to not let them live if they were born disabled. It is simply cruel to let them live. Not to mention a burden on the taxpayer and those who have to look after them. NDIS packages over $100,000 a year to keep these people alive with no quality of life is absolutely ridiculous.

    I'd also like all women to be tested at 12 weeks as well for abnormalities.
    Captain
    15th Jun 2016
    6:20pm
    Bonny, do your children know that you were willing to kill them at birth if they were not perfect?
    Bonny
    15th Jun 2016
    6:32pm
    Yes and made the same request of their doctors as well as tests at 12 weeks gestation.
    Captain
    15th Jun 2016
    6:38pm
    How do you respond to an interfering, busy body like Bonny. Thank goodness I did not marry into a family like that.
    Anonymous
    16th Jun 2016
    2:40pm
    I have a child who was born disabled and now is a professional, paying taxes, and caring for a family - a beautiful human being and very capable. I also have a disabled grandson whose future is yet unknown, but what we do know is that he is super-intelligent. He is destined for great things. Disabilities don't make people worthless. What kind of MONSTER would consider killing a person because they are not born perfect. I know who I'd like to see killed - the person who is CRIPPLED by lack of human decency. MONSTERS who suggest destroying another human being should be exterminated.
    ex PS
    16th Jun 2016
    6:07pm
    The most brilliant man on Earth is in a wheel chair, can't talk without a machine can't even breath without help and will never be able to procreate. Bony would have had him killed at birth. This is a person who has a grip on reality? I don't think so. Consider this Bonny, do you think that given the choice humanity would look at you and deem your life worth saving?
    Heskwith
    14th Jun 2016
    12:30pm
    I think healthcare spending is surely part of the economy!
    It provides and involves training, jobs, and growth of something useful. It elevates more people into useful and productive life, as well, which in turn helps the nation and avoids ongoing cost burdens.

    The economy is money for everyone, not just for Me.
    It is not pence trickling from above, to Me, either. That's a furphy, that one!

    Solely self interest is actually self destructive in its realisation.
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    12:38pm
    Yes, but what do you think is the most important issue. Would you go into debt to save your bacon?
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:42pm
    Our stupid government did but went way too far and now no one wants to face the consequences of reigning it in.
    Anonymous
    16th Jun 2016
    3:04pm
    Yes, Paulodapotter - I would, and I did. I went into heavy debt to give my special needs child a chance to live a full and productive life, and I have no regrets. I will retire struggling because of it, but the rewards are far richer than any amount of money can buy. The day out society decides that avoiding debt matters more than people is the day I can hopefully check out, because I would NEVER want to live in such a vile world.
    PlanB
    14th Jun 2016
    12:32pm
    Healthy and secure feeling people make a far better country than running scared all the time

    Anyone who says the pension is too high needs to be made to live on it alone for at least 6 months
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:37pm
    We have lived on a lot less then the pension for many years now so it's is not hard to live on the pension.
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    12:39pm
    Like I said, you can't believe a thing he/she/it writes.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:51pm
    Ditto. So now Bronny is on a pension? Self funded last week.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:58pm
    No no pension for me. Just because someone makes money they don't have to spend it. We live on what we need nothing more or nothing less.
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    3:11pm
    you live on hot air, he/she/it.
    Rae
    14th Jun 2016
    3:28pm
    I have a very wealthy friend who does exactly the same sort of thing. She only ever buys what she needs, not another thing more ever and invests all the left over money into assets that return income.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    4:27pm
    A few weeks ago you said you were going down to Centrelink Bronny. Now you are not on pension...........
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    5:41pm
    People go to Centrelink for all sorts of reasons Mick. I regularly go with people to help them through the welfare maze.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    8:53pm
    Full of it. Just like the LNP.
    Huskie
    14th Jun 2016
    12:34pm
    New research by the Australia Institute reveals that across a broad range of economic measures, the Abbott/Turnbull government has performed the worst of any Australian government since Menzies took power in 1949. The institute’s paper also notes that historically there is little correlation between “business friendly” policies and economic performance.
    The report examines economic performance across a range of 12 indicators – including GDP per capita, the unemployment rate, employment growth and the growth of real business investment and intellectual property investment.
    The findings by economist Jim Stanford showed that on all but two measures, the performance under the Abbott/Turnbull government has been worse than that under the Gillard government.
    Only on the measure of growth of government debt as a share of GDP is the Abbott/Turnbull government “better”. But even if you agree with the proposition that lower government debt is a good thing, the Abbott/Turnbull growth of 2.16% of GDP is only marginally better than the 2.26% of GDP growth observed under the Gillard government.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2016/jun/14/new-research-abbott-and-turnbull-the-worst-economic-managers-since-menzies?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+AUS+v1+-+AUS+morning+mail+callout&utm_term=177148&subid=7859905&CMP=ema_632
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    12:44pm
    Of course they did. They simply weren't allowed to do what they wanted to do with that hostile senate that held them to ransom.
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    12:50pm
    Got that wrong. She's on the Gratton Institute's Board. But the Australia Institute is a reputable body. Not a child of the ALP unlike the IPA which is the evil spawn of the LNP.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    12:52pm
    "That hostile senate" which refused to pass bad bad legislation? Yeah right.
    Vote for Nick and for the current crossbench senators. The way to ensure that the senate is owned by the nation, not this most wicked of all governments.
    KSS
    14th Jun 2016
    12:55pm
    Yes Bonny and now even Mr Shorten is beginning to realise that those savings, stalled by Labor and robustly attacked by Mr Shorten for the past three years, are in fact necessary and is now telling voters that he will make the same savings. But only after running up more debt over the next 4 years first.
    Huskie
    14th Jun 2016
    12:56pm
    Bonny, I suggest that you read the report before you make a comment. Many of the previous Governments had to contend with a hostile Senate yet still managed to perform better that Abbott/Turnbull.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    1:06pm
    KSS: whilst I in way way seek to absolve Shorten from changes in policy it is not exactly common for LNP governments behave like this.....on steroids. Sometimes there are legitimate reasons to have to revisit what one might prefer to leave alone. Also, circumstances in the world change too. We all do the same sometimes.
    KSS
    14th Jun 2016
    1:13pm
    So Mick where is the outrage at Mr Shorten's 'promise' to remove the family tax benefit as there was for both Mr Abbott and Mr Turnbull? Or the fact that he is NOT restoring the alleged $57b 'so called ripped from health, but just $2 billion which he PROMISES will reduce elective surgery waiting time, increase staffing levels everywhere and make more beds available? Or that he will not unfreeze the medicare rebate rate? Or the removal of the child care eligibility cap? Or...or... or?????
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    4:39pm
    So I am expected to be outraged by a sensible adjustment.
    You always crow about 'welfare' and I have agreed with you on many of posts. The problem with you KSS is that you are a rusted on Liberal who fails to look at both fairness and sensible government, preferring instead to copy and paste dogma from a failed political party on the way out.
    Forget about $2 billion. Chicken feed! Concentrate instead on the $50 billion Turnbull tax cuts, most of which will head offshore because governments past have allowed most of our assets to be flogged off to overseas investors.
    KSS
    15th Jun 2016
    7:00am
    No Mick, if you are willing to castigate Mr Turnbull and the LNP you must also be willing to castigate the opposition when they do precisely the same thing. But I note you never do. So whilst you are stuck in the rut of 'vote for Independents' you are actually a closet ALP member.
    KSS
    14th Jun 2016
    12:47pm
    This is just another post to get the 'readers' all riled up. And as usual it has worked.

    If you sectionalise the population and ask them the same question you will get different answers depending on the life stage the responders are at. e.g. the 18 to say 30s would probably demand free university education, a writing off of all incurred debt to date, and of course high paying jobs in their chosen field, (not forgetting of course the restructuring of society to more leftist, Marxist, feminist, environmentally 'Green' idealistic utopia). Ask the 30 - 45s and they would be more likely to be demanding more child care places and subsidies, more family friendly and female friendly work places, better housing affordability and tax relief to escape bracket creep. And of course not forgetting the over 50s demanding higher pensions, more healthcare services, cheaper prescriptions and better aged care services.

    The only thing they all agree on is that the "Wealthy" must pay. The trouble is there are not enough "Wealthy" to pay for all the demands. Each age group is making demands on the public purse and No-One want to pay for it! So 22% of voters are over 50? That means 78% are under 50. Who do you think will 'win'
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    12:52pm
    Now that is so well researched, KSS. I am absolutely awestruck!
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    1:01pm
    Agree the wealthy have already paid their fair share. It is time to give them a break.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    1:03pm
    Actually the article continues to air what is being perpetrated on our country by wealthy interests wanting its own government whilst making it appear that we are getting government for the nation....which we are not.
    "Free university education"? Ask Christopher Pyne how much he paid for his law degree???
    I'll agree on child care as I do not believe that it is societies place to bring up families so that parents can go to work.
    Good to see you understand the equity issue KSS. The wealthy should contribute and not be allowed to cheat and avoid the tax system altogether in some cases. That is morally wrong and rightly leaves a bad bad taste in the mouths of average Australians who have to pay. Of course the start is to can the company tax handouts which are currently in play. That is not on, although I would agree to extending these to (ONLY) turnovers up to $5 million. The question here is in regard to lawyers, doctors, etc who register companies.
    You claim that there is not enough money to be gained from getting the rich to pay but omit to add that multinationals need to be hit (including back taxes) as well as closing shut tax shelters in foreign jurisdictions. After that let's have a look at the rest of us and the operation of governments and their big unproductive public service armies.
    There might be some hope for you KSS......we'll see.
    Wstaton
    14th Jun 2016
    1:14pm
    Yup! especially when I thought the pension age was 65 and going up.
    Anonymous
    15th Jun 2016
    11:05am
    The wealthy HAVEN'T PAID THEIR SHARE Bonny. If they had, there wouldn't be billions stashed in tax havens. The battlers have paid their share - a hundred times over! The rich have just rorted, and now they boast and whinge.
    Bonny
    15th Jun 2016
    1:18pm
    I certainly have paid my share of taxes over the years.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2016
    8:06am
    How much is ''your share'', Bonny, for all the benefits this nation has given you to enable you to come here and brag about how well you've done? You haven't paid a tiny fraction of your share. If you had, you would recognize the benefits tax buys you and stop screaming that those benefits should be removed.
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2016
    8:06am
    How much is ''your share'', Bonny, for all the benefits this nation has given you to enable you to come here and brag about how well you've done? You haven't paid a tiny fraction of your share. If you had, you would recognize the benefits tax buys you and stop screaming that those benefits should be removed.
    Kaz
    14th Jun 2016
    12:47pm
    A country should not have a businessman as prime minister. It is why under LNP govts the majority do not fare as well. History shows labor to better manage, particularly in tough times - they are smarter and not simply focused on profit(surplus).
    Surplus is not always necessary (actually not at all). The country's economy is not a household budget to save for a rainy day or a business for profit. Any surplus must be put into areas that require it.
    If you don't have your health, you have nothing.
    If you don't have a good education system, you have poorer social classes and an uneducated electorate (which LNP prefer).
    If you deny climate change, your children's future is bleak and it won't matter if you have health, money, or are educated.
    You see where I am going - all these things the LNP care nought about.
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    12:54pm
    Surely it doesn't matter what a person's background is, unless of course, that person is a career politician. Then I think we have grounds for exclusion.
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    12:55pm
    The rest is pretty good.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    1:05pm
    Surpluses are better than deficits as they don't have to be paid back by further generations.

    The climate is changing and has always done so. That's how we all got here.

    We have too many vested interests in what is good health. I won't buy anything with that heart foundation tick because put simply they are paid ticks. Nothing to do with whether they are good for you or not.

    All it takes is common sense to work it all out.
    Oldie84
    14th Jun 2016
    1:13pm
    You can't be serious Kaz. Surely.......
    Radish
    14th Jun 2016
    1:13pm
    If we dont have a good economy we will not have the funds to spend on health, education.

    We are living on borrowed money as it is

    Let us all hope that there is not another GFC because we will be in deep strife as we have no surplus to fall back on and spending 1.5 billion a month in interest is frightening. Some may not care but I do.

    Labor last bought in a surplus in 1988/89 of around $9 billion; 27 years ago!!

    They were left 20 billion by the Libs as we all know and that was spent bailing us out of the GFC. Imagine what strife we would have been in if that had not been available.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    1:16pm
    Kaz: Labor is not a bad economic manager. Not hard to prove that one.
    I don't mind a businessman as PM but what I do mind is when the only genuine item on the agenda is always how to tax the rest of us and hand this money to the rich. This is what is going to see the Turnbull misfits on their way.
    Surpluses? Show me a country which is running a surplus? This is the canary in the coalmine and the reason why the world financial system is headed for collapse.
    I have sort of warmed to the aboriginal view that the land owns us and that we owe it to the land not to plunder and destroy...the instrument of choice from business.

    Bronny: The normal crap comment with no proof offered. I could fill a page with 'proof' but then most readers already understand that what the coal industry denies is happening. Go look at the Great Barrier Reef as a starter.
    Radish
    14th Jun 2016
    1:22pm
    We have been warned that our triple A credit rating is at risk; why?, because we are racking up too much debt.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    2:32pm
    Even though I have done what I can to protect my assets come another GFC it really worries me with all that debt how our government will cope. I don't think it will be pretty and cause a lot of problems for a lot of people in this country.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    4:41pm
    Yes Pepe. $100 billion since Abbott came to office....but it's not the government's fault. Must be the Tooth Fairy's after 3 years!
    Rae
    15th Jun 2016
    7:43am
    Where I live the population has gone from under 200 000 to 331 000 in under 15 years.

    We have one new high school and one new primary school. Portable class rooms and HS built for 800 kids holding 1200.

    We have no new hospital. Just remodelled and extended old ones and no parking within kms of them anymore.

    In fact the roads are gridlocked, the carparks constantly full and health waiting lists the longest in NSW which holds the record waiting times for Australia.

    When Howard decided that immigration would save us I sure wish he had told local town planners and appointed infrastructure teams because it is useless to just build housing estates with no support or parks or parking for that matter.

    The crowding is now fast causing damage to existing infrastructure and the predicted economic growth of all this population increase is non existent.

    Health or the economy. I'd say they go hand in hand. You need both.
    Rosret
    14th Jun 2016
    1:26pm
    There is a pie. Each of the government portfolios get a slice of that pie. The percentages only vary slightly from election to election, party to party. Our aging population is a massive burden on the health system because we keep the aged alive and mobile at a huge cost to society. If the young aren't working and contributing to the GNP then the aged can't benefit from the wealth of the nation. I am very grateful to advances in medicine however I am well aware of the volumes of government subsides that are provided for health care. We need both portfolios addressed with equal importance.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    1:31pm
    Agree the pie has shrunk because there are not enough taxpayers to fund the welfare for the old people.
    Paulodapotter
    14th Jun 2016
    3:17pm
    Well then pay your tax, He/she/it!
    Anonymous
    19th Jun 2016
    8:08am
    There's plenty of money to fund everything we need if it wasn't STOLEN by cheats and stashed in Panama and the Caymans.
    Oars
    14th Jun 2016
    3:09pm
    If we are to become sel-centred at this latetr stage of life, pity help the poor and lower income earners of the future. Any You-beaut policy that costs each person more than it does now will push Oz further into dewbt. We won't be around when the crying continuesw. Thin about your country instead of yourselves- or the 'remembrance day" of ANZAC DAY will be become an exhibition of false emotion for the day.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    5:06pm
    So let's all vote for the Turnbull government so that $50 billion of taxpayer wealth is transferred to the top end of town. That'll fix our debt.
    Personally I'd rather bring back some form of equilibrium where tax is no longer optional for the rich and multinationals and where the ridiculous welfare at the bottom is wound back. Do you reckon we could get a bipartisan agreement of BOTH of these happening simultaneously?
    Anonymous
    17th Jun 2016
    7:28am
    Let's vote for the Turnbull government and take $3.5 billion from aged pensioners and billions from health and aged care to GIFT $11 billion to the US government! How irresponsible and idiotic can you get? And some people actually vote for these morons?
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    4:02pm
    New report out from Australia Institute: Abbott and Hockey worst economic managers in history.
    So why does the media keep pushing the 'responsible economic management' lie when it knows the truth???? Always with an absence of any analysis.
    Bonny
    14th Jun 2016
    4:08pm
    Well it would be just as easy to find some reports which shows how good they were as managers too and how bad Labor has been. But what's the point?
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    5:23pm
    The point is that all you ever hear on the big media stations is pro Liberal propaganda and this report exposes this for what it is: propaganda.
    With Morrison, the Goebbels of the coalition, and Turnbull the straight man we have the new Laurel and Hardy.
    Huskie
    14th Jun 2016
    5:25pm
    Bonny please find the reports. You seem to find all sorts of info that you do not credit to reliable sources. The point is that the facts support the argument that the LNP pushes the line that Labor are poor economic managers whilst the reality is that they are, and have been, better that the LNP. Open your eyes to the truth!
    MICK
    15th Jun 2016
    4:24pm
    Here is the evidence which shows Bronny and this government for the deceitful liars they are:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2016/jun/14/new-research-abbott-and-turnbull-the-worst-economic-managers-since-menzies?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+AUS+v1+-+AUS+morning+mail+callout&utm_term=177148&subid=18943470&CMP=ema_632#comment-76347046

    Study the graphs. Some interesting comparisons. In the end things frequently come down to the economy of trading partners and the world as well.
    moke
    14th Jun 2016
    4:37pm
    When I was young I worked in a big hospital in Sydney and found that most if not all working people belonged to a Medical Fund and Public Hospital care was for the poor and older people There were Private, Intermediate and Public wards and it worked well but it seems that anyone can access public hospitalisation regardless. also after an operation there was out patient clinics, not necessary to go to a specialist that charge like wild bulls., If the Politicians have their way we will end up like the USA and if not insured will end up with no medical care at all. I guess that would go down with the have it all crowd but bugger the have it nots.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    5:25pm
    This is precisely what this government is working towards. And then add on Work Choices labour reforms and an end to fairly funded public education and you have the perfect firestorm for an uprising.
    These bastards need to be shown the door.
    nannyb1949
    14th Jun 2016
    4:39pm
    buggar the economy if turnbull can spend that much on the barrier reef and also the high income earners tax, and not us as people, He is just making us a lower slum income for pensioners we cannot all be like him and make it to the top. Education, Health are more important than anything that he is talking about.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    5:28pm
    The constant cries of poor from the coalition government is simply untrue. Always money available when needed. That is why this government has run up another $100 billion in new debt in under 3 years.
    I'd rather see money spent on the country. Not on wasteful BS or given away to the rich. These are not legitimate things to do in government unless you are corrupt. I rest my point!
    mIKER
    14th Jun 2016
    6:23pm
    @Mick. You forgot the $50 billion, as yet unfunded bucks, for 12 x obsolete submarines to generate 2800 jobs in SA. Never mind the 200,000 jobs lost as the auto industry closes after the election. Yep the Coalition has my vote for economic incompetence and pandering to big business.
    Anonymous
    17th Jun 2016
    7:36am
    And $11 billion to the US tax office through company tax cuts that aren't tax cuts at all! Definitely tops for incompetence, but also for arrogance and contempt for the people who keep this country running.

    14th Jun 2016
    7:39pm
    after reading the comments of the usual contributors, the likes of labor mick, a labor party organiser, robin, katz, hs, soclisa, wstation, never get the weather right and we did not hear his complaint at what happened to the CFA in victoria, where labor sold out the CFA and labor giving their union mates, the united fire fighting union, giving it a present for helping labor winning the elections in victoria, the likes of pauladepooper, wishing Australians to be unwell, the likes of plan b, can't live on the pension, obliviously never heard of living within your means, huskie remembered times he was not even born and as for nanny, welcome to the real world.
    One has to admire Bonnie for telling what it is to live in to-days world and not to rely on holding your hands out and for manna from heaven to fall in their sticky and greedy hands.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    8:55pm
    Ha, ha, ha. Not seen you fro a while Frank. Or is it Bronny? You're a team.

    14th Jun 2016
    7:44pm
    as for labor mick, past union organiser, be upfront and be honest, a thing not seen to often by the unions
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    8:55pm
    So funny troll!
    Young in heart
    14th Jun 2016
    8:11pm
    Mick-I am with you. Bonny is a little troll, and I feel sorry for her! Her comments makes me laugh sometimes.What a ignorant in real life.Sorry Bonny!
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    8:56pm
    Yeah. Agree. What can any of us say.
    Virginia
    14th Jun 2016
    8:31pm
    Shame people don't think this way when younger.
    We all are responsible for our health .
    Eat well Sleep Well Play well Don't overindulge in food, sugar fats or alcohol.
    Make me ill to look at some fatty's trolley at the super market.
    Its not the pollies job nor the populations responsibility if you don't look after yourself.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    8:57pm
    Yes. We live pretty well and try not to eat too much junk + exercise. Sad when you see people ruin their bodies though.
    Mez
    14th Jun 2016
    10:14pm
    Both the economy and healthcare are important but the fact is that with the deficit that Labour created together with the China Syndrome the economy is now increasingly difficult to repair from its downhill momentum.
    Very important to generate finance from economic productivity and trading first before being able to finance the healthcare industry as it is a nonprofitable organisation which Labour is so generous in promising to fund because it just loves to spend and give out handouts.
    Best way to avoid debt is to generate the finance first before going on a spending spree.
    Reason for huge credit card and mortgage debts! People were like Labour and loved to spend before they had procured the cold hard cash!
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:38pm
    A message from your sponsor methinks.
    HarrysOpinion
    15th Jun 2016
    9:47am
    "Reason for huge credit card and mortgage debts!" ? - It's personal choice I would think. No one is forced into it at all.
    Anonymous
    16th Jun 2016
    2:59pm
    Wrong, HS. A lot of it is, but crisis can happen to anyone. We don't have total control over health or the health of our children, much less when we might be victims of a crippling accident or have a home ravaged by flood or fire. A little compassion and humanity wouldn't go astray here. There's way too much gloating and boasting and presuming to judge others in this society. What a pity we can't specifically nominate the ''holier than though'' arrogant ''I'm okay bugger you'' brigade to be the victims of major disasters.
    HarrysOpinion
    19th Jun 2016
    10:16am
    Rainey, compassion aside, it is still a personal choice at the end of the day. The choice of getting into debt or not. One can get a lot of compassionate assistance from some very well known charities without the necessity of engaging a credit card or a personal loan debt.
    jonty
    14th Jun 2016
    10:25pm
    Health should always come before Wealth. Because without health in a modern civilized country wealth could not be created.
    The big Multinationals have shown by moving their operations to developing nations that their preference is to employ people who have no rights or benefits. And although they would vehemently deny slavery they are quite happy to use people as 'slave labour'; ie. low wages, long hours and if you get sick well there are just so many other poor souls who can be exploited,
    And that is why big business wants to get rid of Medicare; It costs money to monitor everyone's health. Their idea is that you only have medicine if you can afford it. In other words they want it fully privatized and the present money used to fund it, to go in tax cuts for the rich and themselves.

    Their only reason for existence is to provide maximum returns for their Shareholders, no more no less.
    The political party that was formed to ensure Big Business has its way is the Liberals. The only reason the Liberals have any sort of Social Policies at all is because they need to be seen as a viable alternate government.
    They pay lip service to most issues, but as you can see with the last budget, their current policies and proposals to do away with the age pension and medicare; their only real purpose is to pass most if not all of the wealth to the ' Big End of Town ' as Bill Shorten so rightly puts it.

    Make no mistake; Wealth is being created all day every day, so where is it and why are the Liberals always saying the sky is going to fall in.
    The wealth is still there but the reason so many people are convinced that it isn't is through clever advertising that any sort of debt is a huge problem and that there is no difference between the major parties, and that they the Liberals are the only ones that can solve it. Unfortunately enough swinging voters can be convinced of this and that on occasion that the sky will indeed fall in, and vote the self righteous Liberals in.
    And what are the real Liberal policies; slash and burn, slash and burn and more slash and burn so more cash can be made available for tax cuts for the rich.

    Any economist will tell you that to thrive every economy needs investment and jobs,and people need good health and a fair wage which provides for enough discretionary income for a decent standard of living.
    In turn that income will be spent to keep the cogs of the economy moving.
    Unfortunately all the Liberals want to do is reduce income and healthcare for non-rich people which means there is none to spend and a lot of smaller businesses go slowly broke.

    Ever since Abbot got in and now Turnbull we have been going down the slowly going broke path. Abbot wasn't very good at selling it so Turnbull was picked as a better salesman.
    Thankfully Bill Shorten has bitten the bullet and told the nation what the real and clear difference is between the 'Fair for all' Labor policies and the 'Rich Only' Liberal policies.
    Again it must be said that without a universal Health Care System that does not depend on your wealth/income a Nation fails its people. You only have to know a little history and a couple of nursery rhymes to know how devastating epidemics and diseases can be.
    So please come July 2nd vote Labor to ensure we all have free healthcare now and forever.
    MICK
    14th Jun 2016
    11:43pm
    Agree Jonty. Wealth is often dependent on what is happening in the world rather than in our own very small patch. We have all noticed how bad things are in the US, Europe and Japan...and now China. The spiel you hear from Turnbull and Morrison are straight BS. Neither of these people or their Party have done thing to promote the economy. And giving taxpayer money to the rich is the only brain dead thing they can come up with. That is not going to work but the rich will love it....before lining up for the next sugar hit. A similar routine to CEOs every year.
    Keep up the good posts. There is enough crap from Liberal Party stoolies on this website do good to see posts from people who are not taken in.
    Rae
    15th Jun 2016
    8:02am
    Yes I believe people underestimate the cost of health care if they had to pay for it themselves.

    Three things really assist growth in the economy and allow risk taking financially.

    Social provision of education, health and aged care.

    Societies where the population are fearful of having a go business wise because they must save for these big three are always very poor. People don't spend.

    The LNP need to be careful they don't go to far with this user pay thing and stuff up what was the greatest mixed economy in the world.
    Anonymous
    15th Jun 2016
    5:04pm
    jonty, what a load of bulltish
    Mez
    16th Jun 2016
    10:43am
    Mick - Palmer United Party was my first choice at the last election and may well be so again this time round.
    I suggest that you check them out!
    Teddyboy.
    15th Jun 2016
    6:23am
    Agree with Robin 7 about the myth that LNP are better at managing the economy. They've sold it well but it isn't true. The only economic tactic they understand is Tax cuts. Not because it works but because it allows wealth to be diverted to their supporters. E.g. Howard's total waste of the benefits of the mining boom when it should have been spent on infrastructure. What amazes me is that people on ordinary incomes believe the myth.
    KSS
    15th Jun 2016
    7:07am
    Pink batts anyone? School hall? $900 to the dead?
    Rae
    15th Jun 2016
    7:31am
    KSS You need to do a bit of digging on this one.

    When PNB shut down funds and the CDOs blew up our Macquarie Bank and one other of the big 4 were totally exposed.

    If they had failed there would have been a complete collapse of the Australian banking system.

    Rudd shovelled that money through the banks. Not to help you or I but to give them liquidity while they guaranteed deposits and sorted out shovel ready jobs to stop an unemployment rate of 25%.

    No one else could get any money. It was dry for months.

    A lot of the money we used came from the US FED as emergency loans. We still had public servants that knew what they were doing. Pity they have been retired as we could use them right now in my opinion.

    I do believe the ideology of the LNP would have let our banks go under especially if a know nothing about financials Abbott and Hockey had been in charge.

    Quite likely we will get another opportunity to see what happens when the money runs out and a LNP government action as well.
    Then we can compare results.
    HarrysOpinion
    15th Jun 2016
    10:02am
    Rae. No. What the Labor government provided a guarantee that bailed out the banks out of a disaster. I don't think they poured any money into the banks they simply guaranteed the banks debts and retail customer savings up to $1 million.
    MICK
    15th Jun 2016
    10:32am
    KSS: same old spiel. LNP are bad managers. Look at the link below and READ the article + study the graphs. These are proof that the coalition are bad managers:

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2016/jun/14/new-research-abbott-and-turnbull-the-worst-economic-managers-since-menzies?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+AUS+v1+-+AUS+morning+mail+callout&utm_term=177148&subid=18943470&CMP=ema_632#comment-76347046

    Whilst I do not want to send a plug to either side of our political duopoly Labor spends on THE COUNTRY whilst Liberal gives it's own TAX HANDOUTS and rarely spend a zac on improving the nation. The tried and trusted formula!
    So do go on about pink batts .... and at the same time tell which of your extended family were thrown out of work during the GFC or what other project could have been rolled out in a month other than what was done.
    You are showing signs of being a Frank political troll KSS. Try to find some material other than your normal old old BS of 2 governments ago.
    Rae
    15th Jun 2016
    5:32pm
    HS when you got that $900 did it go through your bank account or did you get given cash. Like me I bet it went through your bank. Hundreds of millions of it.

    The UE central bank was a bit more up front. They just poured nearly $300 million in overnight. I was there. It was very, very scary.

    We were pretty damn close to a whole world meltdown of financial markets that would have made The Great Depression look like a picnic.

    It could still happen as I think they have run out of ideas and time.

    In the future I suspect the blame will be laid squarely at the doors of corporations that wanted high prices they could get in developed nations but didn't want to pay other people to prosper.Didn't want to share fairly.

    It will boil down once again to some dumb psychological game of I need to feel better than you and yah risk makes me feel alive.

    I have to have the most houses, the biggest house, the best car and dine at Noma.

    I've seen traders play the risk game and also felt that high myself.
    It is really something you have to fight like cigarettes or any over indulgence.

    Do not for one minute think it would have been alright without that splash of cash.

    However I do believe when our dollar was $1.08 US the government should have sold bonds like crazy and paid the debt down. That would have been really wise and in the middle of a mining boom to boot.

    But as I said Abbott and Hockey knew not what they were doing and had sacked anyone that didn't play to the party line.
    Anonymous
    15th Jun 2016
    5:37pm
    labor troll and paid up member mick, you make me laugh calling the lnp bad managers, when was the last time your beloved labor party left Australia without a debt or had a budget surplus, remember good old swannie, ruddie, gillie etc, even old hawkie and foulmouthed keating never got within a mile of leaving Australia in the black, no wonder the labor colours are RED!!! taken of being in the red, hope Australia remembers howard and costello, we had money in the bank and no debts, just looking at to-days total election promises so far, source the herald-sun dd. 15/6/16, lnp $2.075 billion, don't faint, labor $15.197 billion, and we still got 4 weeks to go. if that does not send a message to you Australians, you'll deserve all you get.
    Bonny
    15th Jun 2016
    6:38pm
    I still have my $900 invested so that I can give it back when they ask for it.

    Government has borrowed with a high dollar and now will pay it back interest with a low dollar.
    Anonymous
    17th Jun 2016
    7:31am
    Bonny, you don't tell the truth, do you? I didn't get any $900, and if what you have claimed elsewhere were true, you wouldn't have either.
    Scrivener
    15th Jun 2016
    10:54am
    Malcolm Turnbull focuses on ‘Jobs and Growth’ - how much growth, how many jobs. He might as well have a mantra such as "Giraffes and Pigeons' or 'Duckies and Horsies'. Jobs and growth means nothing without a verb. Is he increasing the number of jobs or decreasing the number? The mantra would be the same. The slogan is flim-flam. So is he.

    15th Jun 2016
    11:10am
    Health care SHOULD be the number one priority for Australians. Without it, we have an unhealthy society, productivity falls, care costs skyrocket. As for health being an individual's responsibility - yes, to a degree. And we should stop the rot that focuses on lining the pockets of the privileged at the expense of the nation. Encourage naturopathic treatments and the habits that lead to good health and stop the dangerous drugs and vaccinations that just generate profit.

    But ultimately health is as much due to a birth lottery as to good habits, and if we punish the unhealthy, we deprive those born with chronic ailments or disabilities of a decent life. What sort of society does that? (Answer: One made up of Bonnys!!!)
    Bonny
    15th Jun 2016
    1:23pm
    Why are these people born with such chronic ailments and disabilities allowed to live? A society that does that is being very cruel. I gave my doctor strict instructions to not let my babies live if they were disabled. If I was having babies today I would have all the tests available at 12 weeks gestation to make sure they were normal.
    Anonymous
    15th Jun 2016
    6:06pm
    rainey, agree to a degree on your point of priority for health care, however we all should have to pay for it, when Australians were asked to pay $ 5.00 towards a visit to the doctor all hell broke loose, every time I see a doctor it cost me $ 37.00, this is after I receive a debit of medicare, can you remember the amount of replies in these columns, everybody but a few ranted and raved about how it would absolutely send them into the poorhouse, till Australia wakes up that we will have to pay and contribute something towards our life style, which is superior to most countries in this world, why do you think everybody, even the Kiwi population, who live in a great country, want to come and live here.
    Bonny I don't agree with your latest post, nobody should have the right to finish the life of another human being
    Bonny
    15th Jun 2016
    6:35pm
    Doing anything less is just cruel. One has only to look at the number of these children abandoned with others to take look after. You wouldn't let such an animal live so why let a human live?
    Anonymous
    16th Jun 2016
    2:46pm
    What is cruel is allowing MONSTERS like Bonny to exist in our society. My child is no animal, but a beautiful, capable, working, TAX-PAYING human being who, unlike Bonny, has a heart and a functioning brain and empathy and compassion and human decency. My grandson is a gorgeous, charming little boy of high intelligence. The extent of his disability and it's likely impact on him is yet to be determined, but it's likely that, as with my child, dedicated care and therapies will enable him to achieve a great deal and to be a very well-functioning human being. Many disabled people have achieved great things for society. Only the most vile scum would suggest that such people have no right to life.
    Anonymous
    16th Jun 2016
    2:53pm
    Heemskerk99, when a family on a low wage has a chronically ill child or a special needs child, there's no question that they are WILLING to pay whatever they can, but it's a given that THEY CANNOT pay. Often, one parent has to give up work to provide the care the child needs. Then there is the possibility that an adult might suffer serious illness or a disabling accident and not have the resources to fund even a minimal level of treatment.

    In a caring society, we accept the responsibility of looking after those who can't look after themselves or their own, simply because it COULD happen to any of us, and we would want others to show caring and compassion if we were in need. We care for others because we are HUMAN, and that's what HUMANS do.

    The problem with our society today is that too many see a nation as an economic entity and not as a community. If we degrade to where we have no empathy, then we are not human. We are then WORSE than the lowest form of animal life.
    Anonymous
    16th Jun 2016
    5:40pm
    rainey I got no beef with you, when the government spoke of the $5.00 for a doctor's visit it also stated quite clearly it would assist those families in need of special assistance, the one's who get under my skin are those and I include the so-called pensioners in these columns who always cry poor, yet can afford to go skiing overseas, playing the pokies, walk in any pub or r.s.l on pension day, or betting on the gee-gees, go overseas yearly etc.
    when will Australia wake up and put their shoulders to the wheel as it used to do instead of the constant moaning and groaning, holding their hand out etc as is happening in these columns of life choises


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