How did the polls get the election result so wrong?

How did the polls get it so wrong? What happens now?

How did the polls get the election result so wrong?

If you woke up on Sunday morning shocked by the result of the previous day’s election, you weren’t alone.

Polls had Labor comfortably winning the federal election, but they were wrong. For weeks, polling had predicted a Labor victory by 52-48, and exit polls had predicted 51-49 on a two-party preferred basis.

How did they get it so wrong?

Former Newspoll chief Martin O’Shanassy blames a flawed system – and phones.

"The reason that it's hard to do good telephone polling is because the old White Pages – the phone book – doesn't exist any more," he said.

"Not everybody has a landline and the numbers that are published are incomplete."

When Mr O’Shanassy held the reins at Newspoll, the company used probability sampling, where random telephone numbers are called across the country to reflect voters’ intentions.

"It was successful because it allowed every potential voter to have a say in the poll," he said.

ABC election analyst Antony Green said the sampling used to be much more reliable, but changes to the system to incorporate automation had made it less so.

"They switched from an operator asking questions to randomly calling mobile numbers and robocalls," said Mr Green.

"There has been a drop off in response rates and there has also been a drop off in the quality of the data."

One man who did predict a Coalition victory – the same man who predicted Donald Trump’s ascendency against all odds – data mining expert from Griffith University Professor Bela Stantic, believes social media could provide a more accurate indicator of intentions. Professor Stantic’s method included analysis of two million social media comments and led him to predict that Labor would not get the swing it needed for victory.

"I am able to assess the opinions of people through their social media … other polling has a much smaller sample,” he said.

Polling companies have been lobbying for more access to all listed and unlisted numbers on the Government's Integrated Public Number Database (IPND) to get more accurate readings of the population.

Until that happens, Mr Green believes there could be fewer polls in future elections.

"We saw a lot fewer polls in this election campaign than previous campaigns because media outlets don't have the money they used to," he said.

"Perhaps we will see a change in how many polls are done in the future … but it's always up to people whether they trust them or not."

The final outcome of the election is unconfirmed, with Mr Green’s election computer projecting the Coalition to win 75 seats versus Labor’s 65. Six seats will be shared among independents and the Greens have Melbourne sewn up.

Five seats are still undecided, meaning the Coalition still does not have a majority government.

The Coalition has been returned to power despite all predictions otherwise, but Prime Minister Scott Morrison has his work cut out for him. Under the current count, the Libs have 75 seats but still need to appoint a speaker, meaning the Coalition may need crossbench support to get its work done on the policy/legislation front.

It will undoubtedly need to rely on the crossbench’s support in the Senate to make any headway. Currently, it is predicted that the Coalition will have 34 members in the Senate out of 76 – five seats short of a clear run. This means the Coalition will need to appease the crossbench to secure its legislative program.

Were you shocked at how wrong the polls were? Will you ever trust polls again? Does the Morrison Government have a mandate for its legislation, considering political commentator Niki Savva says it didn’t take any policies into the Federal Election?

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    20th May 2019
    9:25am
    The silent majority voted LnP in and good on them
    Aussies are sick of the left leaning media, climate change terrorists and big spending high taxing governments who want to take money of hard working aspirationals
    McDaddy
    20th May 2019
    9:52am
    left leaning media???? Most Media out lets, including the ABC now, it would seem are very far to the right! What a joke, they got in on the back of preferences in key seats from One Nation and United Aus Party and very negative coverage in that Media.
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    9:59am
    So it’s the media , and fringe parties fault
    Nothing to do with the fact that we have a democratic system and lnp got 42 % while labor got 30% of first preferences
    The majority didn’t want labor
    Hope Plenerscite if she becomes next labor leader keeps their retiree tax, negative gearing and climate scare policies - will keep scomo in charge for decades
    Dave R
    20th May 2019
    10:12am
    Labor bled first preferences to Hanson and Palmer because their policies hurt too many of their own supporters. Then those minor parties second preferences flowed strongly to the government. These two factors lowered Labor's primary vote and then destroyed their 2PP count.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    11:49am
    Maureen..Do you really think the Coalition won honestly and fairly? The Labor Party had to deal against the Liberal Party, National Party, One Nation and Clive Palmer’s $60 Million anti Labor campaign which was funded by the Liberals and Murdoch so that their mining interest could be safe.

    It’s pathetic when we have lazy Australians that refuse to be educated and retrained for new job skills. Instead they will support ADANI for a handful of jobs and allow the artesian water basin to be polluted so that the profits can go off shore.

    These evil rich people don’t even look after the Cayman Islands. The place is a slum. Anyone that supports their greed agenda is a fool to them.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    12:17pm
    Hi Jackie, you conveniently omitted the support of the Labor Party by the Greens who polled 9% of the votes all preferences flowing to Labor, but don't let the truth damage a biased argument.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    12:17pm
    Hi Jackie, you conveniently omitted the support of the Labor Party by the Greens who polled 9% of the votes all preferences flowing to Labor, but don't let the truth damage a biased argument.
    KSS
    20th May 2019
    1:56pm
    jackie please explain what you think was unfair about the election. I would also love to know how you know that the Liberals and Mr Murdoch funded Mr Palmer's advertising campaign. The Liberals did not have a very big 'war chest' at all and no where near that of the Labor party. You must have some insider information so please share it with us all. You seem to ignore that the Labor party had the support of the Greens and Get-up, both far more cashed up than Ms Hanson.

    I realise you must be very upset at the way things have turned out but seriously, you need to get some perspective. Mr Shorten had 6 years to get his policies right. He lost three years ago, and he lost again now. Time for the Labor party to have a rethink.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    2:14pm
    Yes Jackie, the LNP won honestly and fairly. Consider all those preferences flowing to ALP from the daft greenies (more than would have been received by the LNP from Clive P.) So get over it and move on, though I realise that ALP voters have a difficult time doing that, given that such concepts are beyond their limited thinking. Typical ALP voters displaying their limited adaptability, not say intelligence, they blame everybody else but their unacceptable to the voters, slimy front bench, and mendacious policies towards the Aussie battlers. It wasn't Clive or anyone else who lost the ALP the election, it was their incompetent front bench, and poorly thought through churlish policies.e.g. that vile Plibersek (don't get me started on her husband who spent time in jail for importing heroin) saying that their policies were right, it's the voters who were wrong.i.e. blame the voters not themselves. Well that is clearly not a way to win elections. How idiotic is that? It was her own beloved R.J. Hawke who said "the Australian people never get it wrong."
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    2:47pm
    AH Well inextratime. I guess we can then say that the liberals are supported by the liberal national party, the nationals and the country liberal party. They just hide it by calling it a coalition.
    arbee
    20th May 2019
    2:59pm
    McDaddy, your comment is a huge losers joke. The ABC, right wing, only the furthest left wing voter in Australia could even contemplate that. I don't think even Mick, who is pretty far left would agree with that comment od yours. So you want to whinge about preferences from One Nation and Palmer's party, well what about the Greens preferences and support you always get in parliament, not to mention most of the minor parties that happen to get into parliament. Also Get Up, which shorten helped to establish was very active in every marginal seat, and employed very dirty tactics (many of them breaking the law).
    Just face the facts, SHORTEN was not very well liked and came across as very arrogant. A lot of labour supporters didn't like him either and will be glad to see him gone from the leadership role now.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    3:04pm
    Correct Wsaton. And at at the end of the day the Libs won and the ALP didn't. But I did forget to mention the heavily financed 'Get Up' mob who were funded by the unions and failed miserably to convince the public. In fact I think Get Up had a negative effect and the Labor Party may not be engaging them and their thug tactics in future elections.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    3:04pm
    Correct Wsaton. And at at the end of the day the Libs won and the ALP didn't. But I did forget to mention the heavily financed 'Get Up' mob who were funded by the unions and failed miserably to convince the public. In fact I think Get Up had a negative effect and the Labor Party may not be engaging them and their thug tactics in future elections.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    3:12pm
    Jackie, the irony of Adani is that it will be highly automated and the lion's share of FIFO jobs will largely go to Brisbane based workers. The nearby mining towns like Moranbah, Clermont, CT etc will see some flow-on for maintenance services, Bowen for Abbot Point coal loading and Townsville for admin, but it is all small bikkies and nothing much that will change the town fortunes. An extra scrap from the Royalties for Regions program will do little to help the coastal towns that swung in behind Christensen and Canavan. And wait for the CFMEU bitch and whine when Adani exports start cannibalising from other coal areas.
    arbee
    20th May 2019
    3:15pm
    Jackie, yet another left wing supporter who has done nothing for the last year or so but complain about the government and try to tell us how much better off we would be under her communist type of regime, and now she has lost, all she can do is blame everyone else. Have a good look at your parties POLICIES, and the IDIOT you had as head of the party trying to push them down everyone's throat, and then you may see why you lost the UNLOSEABLE election.
    By the way Jackie, I didn't seem to see any mention from you of the labour supported and established group, Get Up, and the dirty tactics they employed in every marginal seat.
    Get over it, you lost.
    The only downside to this election result is that we will have to put up with your complaints for the next three years while the country goes ahead in leaps and bounds.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    3:39pm
    McDaddy...Yes, Murdoch owns most of our media and has always had a bias against the ABC.


    It tells you that the ABC is dominated by the Coalition when Morrison's handpicked and appointed the Chairperson.

    Don't be surprised the ABC will be privatised during the next three years.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    3:46pm
    Farside....I agree. Things have always been slow in Queensland. We are supposed to learn from our mistakes but some people never do.
    Mandy
    20th May 2019
    5:09pm
    Dave R in most seats Labor was first or second so their second preferences never came into it. If the result depended only on first preferences LNP would have done even better.
    Mandy
    20th May 2019
    5:21pm
    ABC far right Jackie and Farside? You only had to watch how glum Barry and his chums were on Sunday in their Insiders program. Hardly sounded like far right celebrating an unexpected victory. Tell me Jackie if ABC were such big LNP supporters, why would they want to privatise it?
    roy
    20th May 2019
    6:44pm
    jackie is such a poor loser,wow.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    6:49pm
    Mandy...The Coalition and One Nation want to get rid of the ABC because the reporters make them look less intelligent.

    Learn to read dear.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    7:39pm
    Mandy, 'tis not I saying ABC is far right, but I prefer it to most other media sources. Sky, 2GB and the commercial channels do little for me.
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    7:41pm
    Maureen, Tanya is not running for the leadership which I am glad about because of nasty people like you who cannot even say her proper name. Unlike you, she is a kind, caring person. Arbee, there’s the word, ‘communist’ again, one of the derogatory terms aimed at the Labor and Greens.
    GetUp are nowhere near as nasty as the LNP and a few people on here.
    ABC is another reason we feared a LNP victory because it is not Murdoch and far right.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    7:42pm
    arbee....An $8 Billion a year burden on the economy just so the greedy don’t have to touch savings. How good is the age of entitlement?
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    8:34pm
    Jackie the idea that people benefiting from franking credits are wealthy is not true. However if they are taxed at 30%, no matter what their income, it won't be long before they are part of the welfare system and all the pension perks which cost the government far more than $8B.
    We need self reliant retirees. Their savings need to last a good thirty years post retirement.
    GeorgeM
    20th May 2019
    9:14pm
    Instead of whingeing about what Queenslanders did, why don't Labor supporters get on to Anastacia and insist on her Govt NOT giving Adani a royalty holiday and free water?

    Or, better still, why don't they get the Qld Labor Govt to shut down Adani, and then get help from the Liberal Federal Govt to have Australians (try Palmer, Forrest, Rheinhart, etc, or a combination) set up the coal mine with benefits flowing to Australia?
    That's the kind of cooperation Australians would like to see between the major political parties.
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    10:30pm
    GeorgeM I think Queenslanders found it an affront that southerners (the Greens) were coming up and telling them how they should run their State.
    maxchugg
    21st May 2019
    4:05pm
    What a load of rubbish from McDaddy.

    On 6th May the Victorian Premier, Daniel Andrews issued a statement “Victorian Liberals Must Explain Extremist Links” which included this statement:

    “Last week convicted criminal and neo-Nazi sympathizer Neil Erickson claimed he had met with prominent Liberal Andrew Hastie and Ian Goodenough, claims which were first denied but then shown to be true.”

    The supposedly “right wing” press ran with the story, obviously without any reasonable effort being made at fact checking, an astonishing omission, given the fact that the background of the originator of the story was well known. It would appear that, for some implausible reason, the “right wing press” was attempting to damage the electoral prospects of a “right wing” candidate.

    On Election day, - note the timing - Neil Erickson admitted to having lied, that the ”right wing” media did exactly as he expected, and published the story.

    Even now, searches of the internet and the papers from the “right Wing” Fairfax press available in my state carry no information about this event, the only source of information I have been able to find was “The Bolt Report”, which goes a long way towards explaining why there is currently a concerted effort to close this source of information down. Those who continue to raise accusations of right wing bias against this program and its host are remarkably defensive of the ABC which, they claim, is free from bias. Here is an opportunity to test their arguments in favour of the ABC –provide details of ABC coverage of this story.

    A major concern is that the ABC is a major source of news for people in the country, to allow this story to be presented as fact is reprehensible.

    Happily, and hopefully, Andrew Hastie will successfully sue the papers which ran this story, that “The Guardian” is one, the Sydney Morning Herald - Fairfax Press - apparently another. However, even if Hastie is successful this should not be enough. Surely such a blatant attempt to influence the outcome of an election with blatant untruths should warrant criminal charges against those involved.
    maxchugg
    21st May 2019
    4:05pm
    What a load of rubbish from McDaddy.

    On 6th May the Victorian Premier, Daniel Andrews issued a statement “Victorian Liberals Must Explain Extremist Links” which included this statement:

    “Last week convicted criminal and neo-Nazi sympathizer Neil Erickson claimed he had met with prominent Liberal Andrew Hastie and Ian Goodenough, claims which were first denied but then shown to be true.”

    The supposedly “right wing” press ran with the story, obviously without any reasonable effort being made at fact checking, an astonishing omission, given the fact that the background of the originator of the story was well known. It would appear that, for some implausible reason, the “right wing press” was attempting to damage the electoral prospects of a “right wing” candidate.

    On Election day, - note the timing - Neil Erickson admitted to having lied, that the ”right wing” media did exactly as he expected, and published the story.

    Even now, searches of the internet and the papers from the “right Wing” Fairfax press available in my state carry no information about this event, the only source of information I have been able to find was “The Bolt Report”, which goes a long way towards explaining why there is currently a concerted effort to close this source of information down. Those who continue to raise accusations of right wing bias against this program and its host are remarkably defensive of the ABC which, they claim, is free from bias. Here is an opportunity to test their arguments in favour of the ABC –provide details of ABC coverage of this story.

    A major concern is that the ABC is a major source of news for people in the country, to allow this story to be presented as fact is reprehensible.

    Happily, and hopefully, Andrew Hastie will successfully sue the papers which ran this story, that “The Guardian” is one, the Sydney Morning Herald - Fairfax Press - apparently another. However, even if Hastie is successful this should not be enough. Surely such a blatant attempt to influence the outcome of an election with blatant untruths should warrant criminal charges against those involved.
    Hoohoo
    25th May 2019
    4:24pm
    KSS, I live in a regional area in northern NSW, which covers two federal electorates. We have a free, local, weekly "Advocate" rag that, for most of the common people (including me), is the only regular press we read.

    In the Wednesday edition, the last edition before the Saturday election, the letters pages were filled with anti-Labor letters in the ratio of 13:2 of progressive-leaning letters. Some of these anti-Labor letters were barely understandable with crazy religious references, thoroughly illogical & contradicting conspiracy theories & fear-mongering lies about Labor introducing Death Duties legislation. There was no editorial intervention to put the record straight, as there often is when someone makes a false claim in the letters columns.

    One of the two progressive-leaning letters (the author is a regular letter writer, usually speaking about the injustices metered out to asylum-seeking refugees), was immediately followed by a far right wing letter, actually naming her & rubbishing her for everything she represents, including her previous week's letter. Why did his letter immediately follow hers? It appeared to be strategically placed there, even though the content of his letter had nothing to do with the content of her letter, except that he specifically mentioned her name, putting her down.

    Further, the political election advertisements placed in amongst the letters were all pro-Nationals, pro-Liberals, pro-Clive Palmer or just plain anti-Labor, with one pro-Labor advertisement in the Arts section, pages after all the Letters pages.

    And this week's edition, AFTER THE ELECTION??? Front page congratulations to one of the Labor candidates returned to office & an advertisement for the state Greens Member. I suppose they call this being fair to both sides - anti-Labor before the election & pro-progressive after the election. NO BIAS HERE.

    This local weekly rag is a template for all the local weekly rags throughout regional NSW & Qld, from what I've been told. They all have the same format for regular news with inserted local content for letters, events, arts, etc. They are all owned by News Corp Australia with Rupert Murdoch as the Chairman at the top of the food chain. Surprised?
    Misty
    25th May 2019
    4:48pm
    Well Hoohoo the young up and coming voters don't buy or read newsprint any more so Rupert may find it is going to be more difficult next election to try and sway voters that way.
    Hoohoo
    4th Jun 2019
    4:05pm
    I disagree, Misty, unfortunately. Trump is spending US$1 million per month on Facebook currently. Algorithms by search engines direct traffic to like-minded people - so both sides of thinking (progressive vs fear/conservatism), are in their own bubbles.

    Now that we know democracy is for sale (it IS Capitalism that runs the world now - even in Communist governments), we can presume big business will continue to do what it has always done & that is to protect its own interests. Of course, they are the only ones who can afford to protect their own interests. So, people be buggered!
    TMac
    20th May 2019
    9:52am
    Class warfare is dead, RIP
    Dave R
    20th May 2019
    10:16am
    I don't think so. Labor's problem this time was they went to war with too many of the class they usually represent.
    Adrianus
    20th May 2019
    12:59pm
    Agree Dave, Labor simply chose the Greens over the Blue collars, obviously thinking there were enough inner city Greens to get them over the line.
    Batara
    20th May 2019
    1:12pm
    Dave that is bollocks. It was as the rich who screwed a fair go for ordinary ppl. Most sadly some ordinary ppl were conned by the rich.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    2:18pm
    Agree with you totally Dave. It is Batara who is speaking bollocks (the ALP trolls always have such colourful, grassroots expression, suppose it must be their education or lack of it).It was the ordinary working people supporting the LNP this time, and Morrison stood up for the Aussie battlers. How the times are a changing. it is now the ALP who have the supercilious born to rule attitude, and clearly the electorate don't like it and aren't falling for it.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    2:42pm
    Dave R...Labor never went to war with who they represented.

    The scare monger campaigns worked on the ignorant, always do.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    3:12pm
    Jackie, scaremonger campaigns ? Who was it who said that the cost of climate change policy was less than if there was no policy. If that wasn't a scare mongering campaign then I don't know what is. And to call people ignorant because they didn't vote the way you did is classically crass.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    3:12pm
    Jackie, scaremonger campaigns ? Who was it who said that the cost of climate change policy was less than if there was no policy. If that wasn't a scare mongering campaign then I don't know what is. And to call people ignorant because they didn't vote the way you did is classically crass.
    maxchugg
    21st May 2019
    4:33pm
    Batara, didn't you watch the election program? If you did, you missed noticing that the wealthy areas. all regarded as blue ribbon seats in the past, mostly voted against the coalition. Now why would they do that?

    If you were a multi-millionaire, where would you make your investments today? My bet is that your money would be on companies which produce equipment for "clean" energy. You would have done your research and known that investment in geothermal power were disastrous when the Rudd Government lost a mere $90 million in the Cooper Basin. You would know that $12 billion spent on desalination plants in the nation which, with the exception of WA, have not produced a drop of water and cost millions each year to remain in "hibernation."

    Yet, investors are by nature risk takers You would be expecting that, by now, investment in clean energy would be safe because the problems of the past have been ironed out. So maybe investing in lithium would be a good move because everyone is going to want a lithium battery to store energy from their solar panels, aren't they. Trouble is, when the lithium batteries fail after around 10 years, the risk is that the cost of replacing them will cause most to think that they are not viable and not replace them.

    Of course, lithium batteries might become more affordable, in which case the value of your investment will fall or maybe vanish entirely if other forms of storage at lower cost arrive.

    But the greatest problem of all is that climate change/global warming, in another decade, will be seen for what it is - the greatest fraud ever invented. Coal mines will operate again, the windmills will have died of old age and re-converted back to scrap metal.

    IWhy I say that coal mining will return is because the story about increased CO2 increasing global warming will also be seen as nonsense. About 10 years ago I predicted that the only effect of increased atmospheric carbon dioxide would be to increase plant growth on the planet, and was ridiculed for my comment. Yet today we see record crops, evidence that the surface of the earth absorbs more carbon dioxide than it produces, with the increased greening visible from space.
    maxchugg
    21st May 2019
    4:33pm
    Batara, didn't you watch the election program? If you did, you missed noticing that the wealthy areas. all regarded as blue ribbon seats in the past, mostly voted against the coalition. Now why would they do that?

    If you were a multi-millionaire, where would you make your investments today? My bet is that your money would be on companies which produce equipment for "clean" energy. You would have done your research and known that investment in geothermal power were disastrous when the Rudd Government lost a mere $90 million in the Cooper Basin. You would know that $12 billion spent on desalination plants in the nation which, with the exception of WA, have not produced a drop of water and cost millions each year to remain in "hibernation."

    Yet, investors are by nature risk takers You would be expecting that, by now, investment in clean energy would be safe because the problems of the past have been ironed out. So maybe investing in lithium would be a good move because everyone is going to want a lithium battery to store energy from their solar panels, aren't they. Trouble is, when the lithium batteries fail after around 10 years, the risk is that the cost of replacing them will cause most to think that they are not viable and not replace them.

    Of course, lithium batteries might become more affordable, in which case the value of your investment will fall or maybe vanish entirely if other forms of storage at lower cost arrive.

    But the greatest problem of all is that climate change/global warming, in another decade, will be seen for what it is - the greatest fraud ever invented. Coal mines will operate again, the windmills will have died of old age and re-converted back to scrap metal.

    IWhy I say that coal mining will return is because the story about increased CO2 increasing global warming will also be seen as nonsense. About 10 years ago I predicted that the only effect of increased atmospheric carbon dioxide would be to increase plant growth on the planet, and was ridiculed for my comment. Yet today we see record crops, evidence that the surface of the earth absorbs more carbon dioxide than it produces, with the increased greening visible from space.
    Hoohoo
    10th Jun 2019
    12:40am
    TMac, it's not class warfare that is dead - it's democracy as we knew it.

    Among other lies (Death Duties), the LNP lied about our growth rate - it is half of what the government said it was before the election. The latest figures show three Quarters of negative growth = RECESSION. We need more money in the hands of the poor, not the rich. We need investment in infrastructure, not tax cuts. Labor avoided a Recession in the GFC by investment, not austerity, which is always the Liberals way. The Liberals claim to be better financial managers, but only for themselves & their rich friends, not for the people of Australia.

    The Big End of Town runs the show & they have convinced the little people, like John Howard's "battlers" (who traditionally vote Labor because they are working class), that they will benefit when Big Business benefits (from tax cuts promised by the LNP). The battlers will get a bit extra (those with full time jobs) but the very rich will become very much richer in a disproportionate way from those same tax cuts.

    What does it matter if you get $20 extra a week from the promised tax cuts when your food & power bills, insurances, dental, medical, petrol & other utilities are all rising at a greater rate? These battlers have been duped into thinking "the trickle down" will reach them but what is "given" with one hand & (after you put in your tax return), is taken away with the other hand.

    Proof? Corporate profits: 20% growth. Wages: negative growth. Who's really winning? We are being ripped off blind!
    Chat
    20th May 2019
    9:53am
    I'm not surprised that the polls got it wrong because we received so many calls to both our land line and mobile that were identical -- same questions regardless of whether we had already voted or not. If other people got the same than the 'sampling' had to be wrong.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    10:32am
    Back in the day polling was more straightforward with random sampling from the electoral roll and ringing landlines to obtain the 1200 or so responses from people who were largely influenced by four tv stations and broadsheet newspapers. This made for accurate polling. Contrast to 2019 with caller ID to block calls, social media as an information source, web streaming, declining journalism standards, shorter reader attention spans and acceptance of 'fake' news; it's a much more diverse and complex environment and order of difficulty higher to obtain a reliable and representative sample.

    I suspect many people refuse calls from the pollsters to avoid being profiled and then sold off in a junk mail list to parts unknown might also be a contributing factor for not participating in polls.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    11:58am
    Chat...Of course polls get it wrong. They are never reliable because the questions can be biased or restrictive. The respondents don’t have to be honest as well. I think smear mongering advertising campaigns should be banned. There should be more debates televised live and less fake kissing babies and attempts at real jobs.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    2:20pm
    If smear mongering advertising campaigns are to be banned doesn't that mean we should abolish the ALP?????.....just saying
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    2:39pm
    Dig by...The Coalition have always used smear and fear mongering campaigns to pursuance the uneducated. What’s new? Shorten has the decency to resign. You won’t see him rubbishing Labor. Yes votes from the Greens did help Labor. Labor won in debates hands down.

    Clive Palmer never paid his workers because he claimed to be broke.

    His $60 Million anti Labor campaigns must have been funded by a source with a self vested interest to destroy Labor’s credibility.

    It must have been Murdoch and the Liberal Party.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    3:18pm
    Jackie, in case you haven't read the rich 20 list, Clive Palmer is a billionaire in his own right. He didn't need to go cap in hand to Rupert Murdoch or the Liberal Party. And by the way in case you hadn't noticed, he took a few heavy blows to the Liberal Party in his ad campaign.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    3:18pm
    Jackie, in case you haven't read the rich 20 list, Clive Palmer is a billionaire in his own right. He didn't need to go cap in hand to Rupert Murdoch or the Liberal Party. And by the way in case you hadn't noticed, he took a few heavy blows to the Liberal Party in his ad campaign.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    3:24pm
    oh dear poor misunderstood struggling to deal with reality Jackie... you don't realise how much harm you are doing to your own ALP trolling campaign (sigh!!!).. best put in the effort to point out your obvious failings..... If the ALP is so great how could anything that Clive Palmer did affect their credibility..., it was just that easy to consign Shorten to electoral oblivion. Of course it must have been Murdoch and the Liberal or what.... another possible explanation...could it be that it was shifty con man Bill, and his slimy associates (Plibersek Wong etc) who failed to convince the electorate. that must be the explanation otherwise we would have a Labour Government today (BTW just heard ScoMo now has 78 seats.....angst much???). I am sorry to throw logic at you Jackie, but you do leave yourself wide open...... So much for the intelligence of the ALP voter.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    3:53pm
    inextratime....May I remind you, your hero, Clive Palmer committed wage theft to honest hard workers. Many have had hardship and have lost their homes and families thanks to FAT Clive. Ordinary people get prison for a lot less.


    It's people like Clive Palmer the Coalition admire.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    4:45pm
    Jackie perhaps Labor did win the debates (though very debatable), but they lost the election profoundly that they smugly expected to win. I know which position would rather be in. Winners are grinners!!
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    9:43pm
    Is it any wonder that Labor did so badly when the Murdoch press was barracking for the Coalition, something like 27 negative front pages outy of 30 towards the Labor party in one newspaper anone and then Sky News doing there best to n a bad light nihght and day, and also most biased comments towards the ABC were to say that the ABC favoured the Coalition, c ontrary to what tghe Coalition commentators and supporters think.
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    9:46pm
    Should read,"doing there best to put Labor in a bad light". Sorry about the odd letters here and there, I still haven't found my glasses and the light id not the best near my computer.
    SuzeB
    20th May 2019
    9:56am
    It's very uncool in some circles to admit to being a conservative these days. So maybe not everyone is volunteering that information.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    12:03pm
    SuzeB...You are right. All their money making schemes have been exposed by Labor and they are embarrassed. They have problems with greed but don’t want to stop.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    12:44pm
    Does that mean they have guilty consciousness doing whats fair but want to be greedy.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    2:25pm
    So Jackie if they have been exposed by Labor then that must be why Labor lost so resoundingly and the LNP won.I know it is hard concept to get your head around (oligoneuronal anyone?) but the ALP lost, so if money making schemes were exposed it lost them the election. Doesn't say much about their intelligence, it must be embarrassing to have such an unexpected win. Your logic is tangential to say the least and you are not doing your cause any good.The greed comes from people like Plibersek and her multiple investment properties. Hypocrisy much???
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    2:47pm
    Rugby...Are you saying there are more rich, greedy people in Australia than the poor?

    I am sure they would have loved to have gotten a fair go instead of having to go without to keep the greedy fatter.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    3:15pm
    Well I am cool about being profoundly conservative on some issues and profoundly left wing (or so called progressive) on some others e.g. abortion on demand. Like most people I guess.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    3:56pm
    Digby... I am all for free contraception and abortion for the poor.


    If the poor stopped breeding slaves, that's when the monetary system would go bust.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    4:43pm
    "free contraception and abortion for the poor".......define poor???? So called not poor people get pregnant accidentally too .I am for abortion on demand for all , But if the so called well off wish to use private services for it, then they should pay, or hav e their private insurance do so. The public system should remain available for all, with the so-called well of having to pay extra tax if they do not have private cover ( as is the situation at present.) But hey we are getting into a whole different area here..... for another day perhaps.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    6:45pm
    such a poor loser jackie, ah well.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    6:58pm
    roy...You can hardly call 51% a win, especially with all the help Morrison received from the Nationals, One Nation, Clive Palmer and Murdoch.

    They just scraped it in. Watch Morrison wreck himself. He will blame Labor as usual.
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    8:44pm
    The Labor voice has always been the loudest. I think most of us know talking to the one eyed is a waste of energy so having a voice on election day is wonderful.
    Now I wish they would get rid of all the people handing out how to vote ad forms and all their posters.
    Just leave a set of pamphlets in the booth and don't make me feel as though I am running the gauntlet.
    How much paper is wasted on that one day. Millions of sheets.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    9:12pm
    jackie, you lost, end of, have an early night.
    Mikko
    20th May 2019
    9:58am
    Still trying to figure out how Labor lost another unloseable election? Well Bob Hawke got it right when he said "Never underestimate the intelligence of The Australian voters". He probably should have added "Especially in Queensland", where Labor lost two seats and the LNP shored up their margins even in Peter Dutton's Dickson where Labor and Get Up put in a huge effort.
    Why? Well Queenslanders don't take kindly to a bunch of ratbags from the south telling them how to run their economy and create jobs so Bob Brown's Anti-Adani Convoy couldn't have come at a better time for the LNP, combined with Shorten's fence sitting and the Palaszczuk government blocking and stalling over issues such as numbers of a common bush bird, the black-throated finch. Anastacia must be worried, she'll be next.
    Combine all that with Labor's big taxing agenda, it's hit at self-funded retirees and the blank cheque it sought for an un-costed, over-ambitious climate policy and the result in other States is not surprising.
    Trying to get votes echoing Whitlam's "It's Time" with "Vote for Change, Vote for Change ..." was also a mistake when Scott Morrison was facing a hostile Canberra Press Gallery in the National Press Club. Some people do remember that Whitlam had a huge loss in the election following his dismissal for sending the country broke with grandiose big spending agendas.
    So the voters said it's not time to risk Shorten, we'll stick with Scott Morrison and a stable economy.
    Tom Tank
    20th May 2019
    11:58am
    A couple of points here Mikko and that is while much of what you said is correct the fact is that all print media in Queensland in major towns and cities is Murdoch owned. A little stated fact is that the state of the Australia economy when Whitlam was sacked was actually better than when Fraser lost the election.

    Recent history in this country shows that politician who win elections don't survive as Prime Ministers. ScoMo did an excellent job is selling the Liberals to the public but being a great salesman does not necessarily mean that he will be a good P.M. The jury is still out on that.
    Tom Tank
    20th May 2019
    11:58am
    A couple of points here Mikko and that is while much of what you said is correct the fact is that all print media in Queensland in major towns and cities is Murdoch owned. A little stated fact is that the state of the Australia economy when Whitlam was sacked was actually better than when Fraser lost the election.

    Recent history in this country shows that politician who win elections don't survive as Prime Ministers. ScoMo did an excellent job is selling the Liberals to the public but being a great salesman does not necessarily mean that he will be a good P.M. The jury is still out on that.
    Ny19
    20th May 2019
    12:32pm
    The Libs and Nats withheld supply in the Senate when Whitlam was PM. That was the real problem.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    2:30pm
    Hi Tom Tank are you able to give a reference for your (to me) unfounded belief that the economy when Whitlam was sacked was actually better (and define better and economy) than when Fraser lost the election. I have never read or heard anything like that, in fact quite the opposite. So please let's have a reference , so that I can learn more, and see the evidence to back up your unsubstantiated point of view.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    2:49pm
    Sam Tank...Morrison was sacked as a salesman. He wasn’t even good at that.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    4:08pm
    Mikko....Queensland loves crooks. They have a long history with them. Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen was and still is their hero.

    They idolize One Nation despite Hanson passed to cut their wages in the Senate.

    Morrison denies being in the largest deficit Australia has ever had. When he chooses to admit it he always blames Labor for bad mismanagement for it.

    The Liberals have been boasting about their sound money management skills for the past six years. If they were so good then why are we in such a huge deficit?

    Electricity prices have just shot up by 7% since the Coalition has just been re-elected in.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    6:52pm
    jackie, talking of crooks, Bill Shorten union bully boy, adulterer, only gave back, what was it $40,000 after a long period of time and now according to google worth $61 million, where did that come from jackie, he is hardly Mother Theresa, sheesh.
    You are such a poor loser, have an early night and a big mug of cocoa or then we have Plibersucks husband if you wanted something stronger, just joking, know what I mean, wink wink.
    maxchugg
    23rd May 2019
    4:18pm
    Jackie, why are electricity prices rising? Nothing to do with the destruction of coal mines, perhaps?

    And, before you argue, around 10 years ago one internet site listed 26 countries with higher electricity prices than Australia. Last year Australia was identified as having the highest power prices in the world. I'll give you the address for the article, knowing that you won't bother to read something which conflicts with your rusted-on views:

    https://www.power-technology.com/features/australia-energy-prices/

    And did you notice that Shorten would not answer two questions - how much his policy would cost, and what would be the effect upon the climate?

    An economist, from which side of politics I do not know, answered the first question, prices would increase by up to 700%. Yes, 700% Perhaps you might care to spare a thought for pensioners who are already forced to severely ration their electricity usage because of the costs.

    The Chief Scientist was questioned in the Senate about the impact upon the climate if Australia ended all emissions. - I will let him tell the story which appeared in a letter:

    "On Monday 3 December you published an opinion piece by Andrew Bolt titled, ‘Less marching, more learning’*, which included a reference to me ‘admitting’ that we “could stop all Australia’s emissions – junk every car, shut every power station, put a cork in every cow – and the effect on the climate would still be ‘virtually nothing’”.

    Those are Andrew Bolt’s words, not mine, and they are a complete misrepresentation of my position. They suggest that we should do nothing to reduce our carbon emissions, a stance I reject, and I wish to correct the record."

    Andrew Bolt defended himself by replaying the interview between the Chief Scientist and Sen. Ian McDonald which totally contradicted the claim that Andrew Bolt had put words in the mouth of the Chief Scientist and that he had been misrepresented.

    One can sympathise with the Chief Scientist to a point. Professor Peter Ridd was quickly "thrown under a bus" by daring to show, with evidence, that the position adopted by his employer, James Cook University, was unsustainable. Obviously the CS didn't want to share the same fate as Peeter Ridd.
    maxchugg
    23rd May 2019
    4:18pm
    Jackie, why are electricity prices rising? Nothing to do with the destruction of coal mines, perhaps?

    And, before you argue, around 10 years ago one internet site listed 26 countries with higher electricity prices than Australia. Last year Australia was identified as having the highest power prices in the world. I'll give you the address for the article, knowing that you won't bother to read something which conflicts with your rusted-on views:

    https://www.power-technology.com/features/australia-energy-prices/

    And did you notice that Shorten would not answer two questions - how much his policy would cost, and what would be the effect upon the climate?

    An economist, from which side of politics I do not know, answered the first question, prices would increase by up to 700%. Yes, 700% Perhaps you might care to spare a thought for pensioners who are already forced to severely ration their electricity usage because of the costs.

    The Chief Scientist was questioned in the Senate about the impact upon the climate if Australia ended all emissions. - I will let him tell the story which appeared in a letter:

    "On Monday 3 December you published an opinion piece by Andrew Bolt titled, ‘Less marching, more learning’*, which included a reference to me ‘admitting’ that we “could stop all Australia’s emissions – junk every car, shut every power station, put a cork in every cow – and the effect on the climate would still be ‘virtually nothing’”.

    Those are Andrew Bolt’s words, not mine, and they are a complete misrepresentation of my position. They suggest that we should do nothing to reduce our carbon emissions, a stance I reject, and I wish to correct the record."

    Andrew Bolt defended himself by replaying the interview between the Chief Scientist and Sen. Ian McDonald which totally contradicted the claim that Andrew Bolt had put words in the mouth of the Chief Scientist and that he had been misrepresented.

    One can sympathise with the Chief Scientist to a point. Professor Peter Ridd was quickly "thrown under a bus" by daring to show, with evidence, that the position adopted by his employer, James Cook University, was unsustainable. Obviously the CS didn't want to share the same fate as Peeter Ridd.
    Farside
    24th May 2019
    12:30am
    Maxchugg asks why are electricity prices rising? Gas exports might have something to do with it.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-17/gas-exports-blamed-for-electricity-price-rises-job-losses/11121120

    Max, you also might want to check your article and make sure you read it correctly. Recent OECD energy comparisons show Australia to be one of the less expensive countries on a USD PPP basis.
    maxchugg
    25th May 2019
    8:32pm
    Farside, on the internet you can easily find a number of sites predicting that South Australian electricity prices were about to third highest in the world – i.e.

    https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australias-power-prices-set-to-become-highest-in-world-says-energy-users-association-of-australia/news-story/8adeb4a48aaa152c0a3a46ee01a7c3fc - 2012

    ihttps://www.afr.com/news/australian-households-pay-highest-power-prices-in-world-20170804-gxp58a - 2017

    The following sites confirm that these predictions were correct:

    https://www.news.com.au/national/power-bills-among-highest-in-the-world-this-summer/news-story/8eeb9ad959a5bdc7b86f78b28c4ad67a 2018

    https://electricityandgas.com.au/article/aussies-paying-highest-energy-prices-in-the-world/

    This site indicates that in 2014 an OECD report showed that there were 21 countries with more expensive electricity than Australia:

    https://www.energycouncil.com.au/analysis/worldwide-electricity-prices-how-does-australia-compare/

    On the internet there is a number of sites which give reasons why our electricity is so expensive, some reasons make sense, many do not. One of the reasons I find plausible is the point you raised - high gas prices.
    maxchugg
    25th May 2019
    8:32pm
    Farside, on the internet you can easily find a number of sites predicting that South Australian electricity prices were about to third highest in the world – i.e.

    https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australias-power-prices-set-to-become-highest-in-world-says-energy-users-association-of-australia/news-story/8adeb4a48aaa152c0a3a46ee01a7c3fc - 2012

    ihttps://www.afr.com/news/australian-households-pay-highest-power-prices-in-world-20170804-gxp58a - 2017

    The following sites confirm that these predictions were correct:

    https://www.news.com.au/national/power-bills-among-highest-in-the-world-this-summer/news-story/8eeb9ad959a5bdc7b86f78b28c4ad67a 2018

    https://electricityandgas.com.au/article/aussies-paying-highest-energy-prices-in-the-world/

    This site indicates that in 2014 an OECD report showed that there were 21 countries with more expensive electricity than Australia:

    https://www.energycouncil.com.au/analysis/worldwide-electricity-prices-how-does-australia-compare/

    On the internet there is a number of sites which give reasons why our electricity is so expensive, some reasons make sense, many do not. One of the reasons I find plausible is the point you raised - high gas prices.

    20th May 2019
    10:02am
    Australia owes Queensland big time .
    The National and state government should now fastrack Adani and spend billions upgrading Queensland infrastructure
    It’s the right thing to do. Queensland and Australia has spoken
    Cowboy Jim
    20th May 2019
    10:13am
    You should thank Anastacia and Jackie Trad in Queensland for frustrating the creation of jobs in the regions. I have just spent 10 days up north and talking to people in the pubs you would not have needed an opinion poll.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    12:08pm
    Maureen...How does Australia owe Queensland big time? The rest of Australia should stop bailing Queensland out each time it gets into shit. Yes it’s always been Australians not the Government that’s helped Queensland. You have a very short memory and brain span too.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    12:27pm
    Another nice insult from a sore loser Jackie
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    12:27pm
    Another nice insult from a sore loser Jackie
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    12:35pm
    Well I hope the QLND State govt stops the Adani Mine from going ahead unless it has been deemed environmentally safe.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    12:59pm
    I am extremely puzzled. How does Australia owe Queensland big time. The rest of us seem to be pouring billions of dollars into Queensland shouldn't it be the other way round.

    The big problem with Australia as a whole is that we have succumbed to be dependent on exporting coal and other stuff while we have slowly been exporting our manufacturing base as well. This (especially coal) is now on the downturn and will continue to be so whatever anyone says. We have nothing to back it up and that is why Queensland is desperate.

    Do you know that the UK last month had it's first week of supplying electricity without using any coal.

    Do you know that Canada who has a population a bit more than us manufactures it's own cars. It builds Aircraft (airline one) that it even sells to USA.

    Australia to be honest still manufactures ships but that is constantly under threat.

    I personally people are putting more trust than there should be in Adani and it will come to bite us.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    4:18pm
    Misty...Their Minister for Environment has approved it. It's a bit like how the cigarette companies used to claim that smoking was good for you.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    4:27pm
    inextratime... If you have any grandchildren they will suffer thanks to your Greed mentality. No money will save the consequences of Global Warming in the end.
    Not a Bludger
    20th May 2019
    4:43pm
    Very well said, Maureen and I agree entirely - and so should all common sense Australians.
    Hoohoo
    10th Jun 2019
    5:55pm
    Maureen, why can't we see your name at the top of this thread?

    I can't understand why Australia fell for the sob story of Central Queensland miners missing out on potentially 1,500 jobs from Adani at the cost of 65,000 jobs & small business owners losing their livelihoods in tourism, when the Reef is entirely ruined.

    I also can't understand why farmers & Indigenous Communities will be denied uncontaminated groundwater supplies, so that Adani can proceed. Then there's the land-clearing & habitat of endangered species being taken by Adani, if it proceeds.

    Why does Adani & some miners have priority over the environment & so many Australians, including other Queenslanders? My only conclusion is that people voted in response to propaganda, much like normal, good German people backed Hitler - they naively believed that Hitler would be good for Germany.
    Dave R
    20th May 2019
    10:07am
    The polling companies are busy today explaining why their polling was so wrong. Also the Bookies who have taken some big losses on election betting because they got the odds wrong.
    As to the outcome, Labor was too ambitious with it's tax reform policies and did not target them well enough. That meant they hurt some of their own regular voters and also had to contend with Palmer's $50 million advertising campaign and preferences all favouring the Coalition.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    3:26pm
    Maybe the Greens with their preposterous campaign to make Australia 100% use renewable energy by 2030 lost them support which then effected the ALP preference votes that they so desperately rely on at every election. Di Natali will be under a lot of pressure to resign.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    3:26pm
    Maybe the Greens with their preposterous campaign to make Australia 100% use renewable energy by 2030 lost them support which then effected the ALP preference votes that they so desperately rely on at every election. Di Natali will be under a lot of pressure to resign.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    7:07pm
    inextratime...The Greens are not with Labor. They go against Labor and take the credit for anything good that Labor does. Just because their vote goes to Labor doesn’t mean they are with Labor like the Nationals are with Liberals.
    BigAl
    20th May 2019
    10:08am
    Well done Scomo. Australians didn't want all the avocado smashing, latte sipping, bed wetting left wing lunies in power. Yes I am a proud Queenslander!! I hope Labour elect Albo as their new leader. He is more from the centre, happy to work with small business and not interested in class warfare. The ABC and the Project should hang their heads in shame with their propaganda campaigns. How they could get it so wrong.
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    12:37pm
    Big Al we are not the UK, Labor doesn not have the letter U in it here.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    6:08pm
    Musty is as pedantic as ever and a sore loser, ah well.
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    8:45pm
    Agreed BigAl - and aren't they angry that we have a different opinion to them!
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    9:54pm
    Sorry to dissapoint you both but I am not a sore loser, I congratulated Scott Morrison on his win and apologised to OG for doubting him when he said the Coalition would win but I do have a thing with the spelling of Labor, why can't people get it right?.

    20th May 2019
    10:09am
    “If you don’t like the retiree tax policy don’t vote labor”
    Chris Bowen for next labor leader please
    Cowboy Jim
    20th May 2019
    10:15am
    His other benefit is that he is the man in charge when the boats came in under Rudd.
    KSS
    20th May 2019
    1:58pm
    You are right Maureen. Mr Bowen and the rest of the Labor party cannot complain when the electorate took his advice!
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    10:09am
    The polls got it wrong because Palmer was not factored in or the scare tactics around tax and people being persuaded they were going to be taxed and their money taken. “Bill Shorten is coming for your money.” And they believed it.
    Also, Liberal was first on the senate sheet and Labor and the Greens were hard to find buried further along.
    I have never felt so terrible after an election. It feels dirty. We received two flyers courtesy of Palmer/Liberal which were personal attacks on the independent and Labor. The one for the independent had nothing to do with her ability to do the job.
    I am not the only one feeling this way and it is a sad day for people who want action on climate change and a fair deal for the worker.
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    10:14am
    You insult the intelligence of all Aussie by your silly comments
    Dave R
    20th May 2019
    10:31am
    An old political adage is "Never underestimate the stupidity of the Electorate".
    That why advertising works and big money sways opinions.

    That said Labor lost this election by not targeting their policies well enough and not continually pointing out the current poor and worsening state of the national economy under the Coalition. Most economists expect an official recession to begin later this year and business investment right now is the lowest since 1993 but Labor never mentioned this during the campaign. Big Mistake Labor, you should have hammered this information.
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    10:53am
    Maureen, what intelligence, like you?
    Values like leaving a viable world for your descendants and fairness to the low paid workers rather than favouring big corporations and greed are more important than what a voter can gain by voting a certain way.
    Morals or money?
    Roby
    20th May 2019
    11:01am
    Looks like your having trouble with what the electorate wants Paddington lets face it you and your loony left got crucified and good Riddance to them.
    fred
    20th May 2019
    11:12am
    sorry you and Rosscoe will never get it! Most Australians will not accept the socialist left dictating to us what we should do and how we live . If you want socialism get off and live somewhere else and be happy until that country goes broke , but stop trying to stuff ours
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    11:37am
    paddington asks morals or money? Well the jury has spoken, in most cases it's money but for some peculiar reason known only to themselves, almost two-thirds of retirees are rusted on conservatives, not even small "L" liberals or SPECs.

    This is perfectly understandable if you are financially independent with its related privileges or ideologically wedded to conservative and far right dogma, but it escapes me why the unemployed, disadvantaged and pensioner underclasses and others likewise dependent upon government handouts for their wellbeing, kid themselves it is in their best interest.
    Old Man
    20th May 2019
    11:51am
    Paddington, just to clarify for you, the little green piece of paper you got with a few names on it was the one that got rid of Shorten and Bowen. The big white one was the Senate votes and the counting on that will continue for quite some time and has 3/4 of 5/8 of bugger all to do with the House of Representatives.
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    11:59am
    Farside, spot on!
    Why would poor people vote LNP?! But they do. Some are uneducated and unable to read/research. Wealthy people do not have the monopoly on education or intelligence, however. Values and morals come into it too.
    If you filled in the compass survey you would notice that kindness, compassion and the ability to empathise pushes you to the left. People can ignore that too though and favour a right leaning vote because they believe that is in their best financial interest.
    The old adage about money is true sadly. People vote with their back pocket and what they think is where they will get the most money in the short term. Hence, Adani was big in Qld because it spelt jobs and people could not trust they would be able to find another job if Adani was closed down. The damage to the reef and river systems was not sufficient if they could not trust they could feed their families.
    We live in the now, not in the distant future.
    Some empathy could go to the working class there but not the wealthy independent people. There is no excuse for people who just wanted more money when they already had enough.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    12:15pm
    Maureen...Please don’t insult the rest off Australians. Only in Queensland you can have a thick uneducated Liberal patsy like Hanson and grubby Barnaby Joyce pretending to look after Queenslanders.
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    12:40pm
    Does Maureen remind you of someone else who used to comment here, another alias perhaps.
    Sundays
    20th May 2019
    2:20pm
    Yes, I thought she’d become Anonymous, but maybe not. Eventually, her insults will become extreme and YLF will take her down like last time
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    3:12pm
    Poor ol Paddy, I am sorry you feel so terrible, but buck up, I felt elated, happy , euphoric, vindicated, so happy I help keep Australia from a Shorten led government and the greens at bay. The last time I felt so elated, deliriously happy etc about an election result was in 1996 when the much loathed, smarmy Keating got his comeuppance and lost the election resoundingly.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    3:37pm
    Intelligence No Maureen Just some.

    Advertising is good thats why businesses use them for selling things. That why some people buy even if they do not want them. So who is silly.
    Couldabeen
    20th May 2019
    3:40pm
    jackie, your vitriol need to be contained and calmed. Barnaby Joyce has not represented Queenslanders for many years. He was a Senator for Queensland and resigned and moved back to his home town of Tamworth where he stood for the House of Representatives. He has been elected into the House of Representatives over three times with a clear majority representing the residents of the seat of New England.
    Pauline Hanson is not a "patsy" for the Liberals. You may recall that she was dis-endorsed by the Liberals more than two decades ago and won a seat in the House of Representatives as an independent.
    Paddington reminds me of what Paul Keating said many years ago about the need to simplify the voting process as it was too difficult for the average Labor supporter to understand.
    If you're not sure what they means, note that typically the electorates that vote Labor usually have up to double the number of informal votes than those that vote Liberal/National Party/ LNP.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    4:59pm
    Now now Paddy, you are much more intelligent than that. Morals or money.????? You and I know morals , values etc are relative concepts. Your values and morals are not the same as others, possibly those who wisely voted for the winning the side. The ALP, and their voters, do not have a monopoly on right or fairness, what is right and fair to some is very unfair and not right others. That does not make your values or sense of fairness better or worse than others, they are just that, your values. Really, the ALP voters here are sounding very self righteous, and blaming the voters for not agreeing them , (We are right, and you voted wrong, how dare you) rather than allowing for the possibility that their ALP policies were just "wrong" (another relative value") and unacceptable to them. The electorate always gets it right.....except when they don't agree with your concepts.
    Tood
    20th May 2019
    5:08pm
    Obviously New England residents are complete twits voting that piece of human scum Barbnaby Joyce in!
    roy
    20th May 2019
    5:44pm
    fred, I could not agree more.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    5:46pm
    Hear hear fred.
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    7:54pm
    Yep, Misty, look at who is missing lol.
    Morals are not ambiguous, Digby! Is it moral to give concessions to big business but take away concessions for the poor?
    Right and fair are clear as well. Is it right or fair to deny low paid workers a fair day’s wage for a fair day’s work?
    Check what Tony Abbott said, you would agree with him, I am sure. If people used morals to vote they would vote for Labor or Greens or even some of the independents. But if money was their motivation then they would vote for LNP. I think you could keep going actually...Pauline Hanson for racism.....
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    7:57pm
    Paddington
    What concessions were given to big business by LNP’s proposed policies and what concessions were being taken away from the poor ?
    Listen to yourself
    You are in la la land
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    8:38pm
    sorry Paddy .......fail. Your values , and morality are not superior to anyone else's though misguided ALP labor voters like to believe themselves superior (and there is so much psychopathology in that). What you believe to be moral is immoral and unfair to others. The majority of electorate used their morals to vote for the winning side and applied their morally superior values to deny ALP a victory, and keep the greens in check. To vote ALP or greens would have been very immoral indeed, as it is a vote for a ruined economy, and as lesser Australia.
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    8:44pm
    Hear hear Digby

    Paddington is like Shorten and Plebersick - sell out Australia and future generations for self interest
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    9:31pm
    Paddington... I feel for you. The world would be a better place without so the so much greed and lack of respect for the environment and lack of empathy toward the suffering of others less fortunate.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    9:36pm
    fred...You can hardly call Australia a Democracy when it’s all run by the rich.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    9:38pm
    musty the ALP troll should be taken off this site.
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    10:00pm
    Spoken like a true Liberal troll ruy.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    10:17am
    Kudos to the failed marketing man for knowing he needed a marketing weapon to rebrand him from Scott Morrison the twat into Scomo the daggy dad. Here is how it was done:
    https://twitter.com/theweeklytv/status/1128624880499355648

    Sending his team on gardening leave for the duration of the campaign did not hurt either.
    jackie
    21st May 2019
    12:07am
    Thank you Farside. ScoMo will hang himself. All his prayers won’t help him. The Solomon Islands are sinking because of fast rising sea levels. Climate Change refugees will end up on our door step soon. It’s sad that Labor lost because 4% of the population were scared of taxes for retirees. It would have cheaper for Australia if they got on the Age Pension because it’s less money.
    Farside
    21st May 2019
    1:40am
    jackie, handling of the FC refunds was clumsy by any standard. They should have eliminated the refunds to all non-taxpayers so the accusations of preferential treatment went away, then simple matter of coming up with a compo package - perhaps increase asset test thresholds.
    arbee
    21st May 2019
    2:47am
    Jakky the climate change scaremonger who thinks the Solomon's are being inundated by sea water, while in the meantime Iceland's glaciers are actually growing, but you climate clowns conveniently forget to mention that.

    By the way jacky, YOU LOST, so get over it. You will have another 6 to 9 years in the wilderness before you even get close again. Shortman blew the election which he thought a drovers dog could have won, because he was up against a better man.

    Your good running mates, GET UP also did you more harm than good, what a bunch of no-hoper left wing idiots they turned out to be.

    Still as long as yoyu continue to use idiots like them and the defunct unions you will never get anywhere anymore.
    Julian
    21st May 2019
    5:16pm
    Food for thought for those who have swallowed this global warming tripe:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fA5sGtj7QKQ

    The speaker is well qualified and has called it out for what it is.
    Cowboy Jim
    20th May 2019
    10:19am
    Most probably correct about phone polls being unreliable; I got several calls from pollsters but I still have a landline and the number and name can be cross-referenced with the electoral rolls. Most of my mates have cell phones only and none got a call.
    Alan
    20th May 2019
    10:26am
    I hope that we have a government that will have a majority in the House so that it is not beholden to unreasonable demands for pork barrelling from independents to get their legislation through Parliament. In the Senate the minor parties should not be promoting their ideological stances on the basis that they know better than us what is good for us and that the educated and politically correct voters who gave them 10% (or less) of the vote were given a mandate the frustrate the will of the ignorant majority but rather working to review (the Senate was established as a States House of Review) and improve legislation even though it may be against their political agenda.
    Rosscoe
    20th May 2019
    10:28am
    Maureen, I'll bet that your parents voted for Pig Iron Bob as well. Left leaning media? When you have SkyNews, the so-called "Election Channel" dishing out all its anti-ALP propaganda every night. I certainly won't be turning on their TV channel again and blocking all my newspaper emails as well. Propaganda Minister Goebbels would have been proud. I'm ashamed of my fellow Australians that we have become the laughing stock of the world.
    Rosscoe
    20th May 2019
    10:28am
    Maureen, I'll bet that your parents voted for Pig Iron Bob as well. Left leaning media? When you have SkyNews, the so-called "Election Channel" dishing out all its anti-ALP propaganda every night. I certainly won't be turning on their TV channel again and blocking all my newspaper emails as well. Propaganda Minister Goebbels would have been proud. I'm ashamed of my fellow Australians that we have become the laughing stock of the world.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    11:35am
    Hey Rosscoe, nothing like a sore loser when it comes to insulting people who didn't vote the way you voted. Left leaning media indeed. However if you only watched Sky News, you may be a bit confused. Mind you Sky will be very upset that you won't be watching again.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    11:35am
    Hey Rosscoe, nothing like a sore loser when it comes to insulting people who didn't vote the way you voted. Left leaning media indeed. However if you only watched Sky News, you may be a bit confused. Mind you Sky will be very upset that you won't be watching again.
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    12:47pm
    Well Roscoe most Australians must be rolling in money becaise they didn't want higher wages, Penalty Rates reviewed, free cancer treatment, better directed NDIS funds, dental help for pensioners, cheaper childcare, better hospital and education funding because obviously they can afford to pay for all this themselves, oh and bug--y the environment and climate change, future generations look after that.
    jackie
    20th May 2019
    4:21pm
    inextratime...Your electricity bill has just gone up by 7% since your vote.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    6:55pm
    Some sore losers on this site, musty and jackie etc, have an early night the pair of you.
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    10:02pm
    Same to you ruy, we will sleep well, how about you?.
    jackie
    21st May 2019
    12:11am
    Misty...poor roy will be up all night counting dollars. ROFL
    arbee
    21st May 2019
    2:53am
    Roy they are all a bunch of losers and not worth wasting time on.
    Their lack of intelligence is clearly shown by the way they vote.
    As for Musty, well she thinks everything should be handed to her on a silver platter and some how rob the ones who have actually worked to get ahead to pay for a better lifestyle for her. I can give her a solution to her problem, get off your backside and work a bit harder and make something of your life instead of bludging on the taxpayers.
    Misty
    21st May 2019
    8:53pm
    Arbee you know nothing about me, I worked until I was 65, sometimes at 2 jobs, school office in the morning and afternoon shifts at a Nursing Home, I am a DC Nursing Sister. my late husband worked until he was 70, sometimes getting called out at all hours of the night to fix the machinery in the snow, he even received a letter of thanks from the Premier at that time for going above and beyond his duties so people could get home safely from the mountains during a blizzard. So don't talk to me about hard work arbee I have been there, done that and I hope you are MAN or WOMEN enough to apologise for the comment you made about me above, your answer will say a lot about your character.
    Misty
    23rd May 2019
    6:35pm
    Still waiting for your answer arbee.
    BigAl
    20th May 2019
    10:35am
    Even if Australia reduced its CO2 emission by 100%, because we only produce about 1.5% of total global emissions, it would reduce global temperatures by 0.00001%. Were Australians willing to pay $200-$500 billion for Labours policies to get that outcome. Total stupidity!!. I wish people who make claims about climate warming actually read the scientific papers for and against before they comment. As an environmental scientist the proof that humans alone are causing global warming are still tenuous and the climatic warming models are pretty well useless.
    IndyLopos
    20th May 2019
    11:12am
    I partially agree.
    Most Australians now agree that there has to be action to slow down climate change.
    However, most thinking Ozzies recognise that unless the major world polluters like USA, India and China take significant action to reduce greenhouse gases, what we do in Australia will have little impact.
    Yes, we need action, and it must be part of GLOBAL actions, not cost Ozzies many jobs and cause excessive household energy costs by taking a world-leading stance on the matter.
    Australia does not have the ability to set an example to the world and somehow influence others to follow what we do - we have a relatively tiny influence on the major greenhouse gas generators.
    Media has a way of blowing issues like this out of proportion. The majority of thinking Ozzies ignore the hype generated by marketing and media and do look at the facts.
    Sceptic
    20th May 2019
    3:13pm
    BigAl And IndyL, you have it right, but it seems that you will never convince a number of posters on this site and the wider the community. Stegall wants 60% renewable generation of electricity by 2030, and I suppose that Paddington, Jackie, Luvco and others agree. Perhaps they should excercise their brains and define just what renewables they are talking about, the cost and the area that they would occupy. Also, define What will supply the baseload of power to be constantly available when the wind stops and the sun goes down. It is easy to cry, "more action on climate change," but not so easy to define just what action. I suppose that it is something that "the nebulous 'they' must do something about."

    There has been nonsense written on this site today that China is doing something about tackling climate change when the facts do not support that. China is increasing the release of carbon dioxide at a greater rate than the total of all of Australia's emissions. So please explain just how, whatever Australia does, would make any difference to the total global emissions.
    Sen.Cit.90
    20th May 2019
    3:24pm
    Hi BigAl, I read that you are an 'environmental scientist'... Please don't ridicule me for my thoughts which are; Somewhere, probably on TV I read that the Brits had sent an instrument to outer space to break up the large dangerous debris floating around in space; it also showed an image of the earth totally surrounded by a thick band of debris??
    Would this space debris be causing some of the atmospheric disturbance to mother earth?? Again I ask please don't ridicule me for my thoughts.
    jackie
    21st May 2019
    12:16am
    IndyLoops... There is big money to be made from slowing Climate Change. Unfortunately, Australians are too lazy to invest in new industries because it’s easier to invest in mining and negative gearing.
    Farside
    21st May 2019
    11:23pm
    jackie, mining is not necessarily against renewable power. Energy is one of the main expenses in mining and renewables are now about a third the cost of running a diesel plant. Many mines are already running on renewables, purchasing green energy or planning to install renewables. For example the Argyle diamond mine runs mostly of hydro. Hybrid solar and battery generation system will power the Granny Smith gold mine near Laverton. South32's Cannington mine is installing a solar farm. New Century is reopening its zinc mine with a moveable solar facility. And it's not just in Australia.
    maxchugg
    23rd May 2019
    4:30pm
    Jackie, if there is big money to be made in slowing climate change, why did the wealthy formerly blue ribbon Liberal suburbs change direction and vote Labor?

    I would be willing to bet that the primary reason is that the big money is now going to investment in renewables, and I would have to say that I admire their courage because past investment in renewables has been a financial disaster and also a waste of time, money and effort.

    The hot rocks scheme in SA was a dismal failure, the desalination plants installed at a cost of billions and held in "hibernation" at an annual cost of several millions without, with the exception of WA, ever producing a drop of water should be an indication of just how much we - and Bill Shorten - should have placed upon these did schemes.

    Still, maybe the wealthy think that they can learn from the past and make profitable investments in renewables now - I wish them luck!
    maxchugg
    23rd May 2019
    4:30pm
    Jackie, if there is big money to be made in slowing climate change, why did the wealthy formerly blue ribbon Liberal suburbs change direction and vote Labor?

    I would be willing to bet that the primary reason is that the big money is now going to investment in renewables, and I would have to say that I admire their courage because past investment in renewables has been a financial disaster and also a waste of time, money and effort.

    The hot rocks scheme in SA was a dismal failure, the desalination plants installed at a cost of billions and held in "hibernation" at an annual cost of several millions without, with the exception of WA, ever producing a drop of water should be an indication of just how much we - and Bill Shorten - should have placed upon these did schemes.

    Still, maybe the wealthy think that they can learn from the past and make profitable investments in renewables now - I wish them luck!
    Pass the Ductape
    20th May 2019
    10:36am
    Bill Shorten came across too much like a used car salesman or a real-estate agent. People listened to the spiel, but realised he was likely just selling them a lemon!
    The Care Bear.
    20th May 2019
    12:02pm
    I was surprised Labor didn't cut him loose 4 years ago, his support never got above 30% yet he remained leader. His legacy will be the guy who knifed 2 leaders then blew himself up.
    The old saying still holds true, "you can put lipstick on a pig but it will always be a pig"
    KSS
    20th May 2019
    1:24pm
    I have to agree Ductape. Mr Shorten changed what he said depending on where he was and who was asking. In Victoria he was against Adani, in Queensland he wasn't. The docker who asked about the proposed tax on those earning $250,000 to which Mr Shorten answered they were looking at that (he wasn't - there would have been a 2% tax increase).That docker was subsequently sumarily dismissed!

    Mr Shorten had an appalling track record of supporting the unionbs in favour of the workers he was meant to represent especially some of the lowest paid workers like the cleaners. He knifed two previous Prime Ministers on his own side yet tried to win an election on criticising the incumbabt government as a 'Coalition of chaos'! Mr Shorten couldn't even tell the truth about his own mother and then cried foul when a newpaper gave her the full credit she deserved for her achievements.

    The problem was, Mr Shorten was all about Mr Shorten. Trying to create a class war against 'the end of town' completely ignored that he was part of that big end of town he wanted to destroy.
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    4:00pm
    What is this class thing people are going on about? We don’t have a class system in Australia. It is a terrible notion. People are the same whether rich or poor, young or old, we are all part of the human race.
    Helping poor and sick people is just being a human being.
    Julian
    22nd May 2019
    7:25am
    KSS: thank you. Yours' is the best response I've read in ages.
    LUVCO2
    20th May 2019
    10:37am
    HALLELUJAH!
    The silent majority has spoken and they haven't fallen for the "globalwarming®"SCAM!
    Now that the Liberal party has been purged of loopy leftists like Turdbull, julie Bishop, Craig Laundy, it now appears to be safe to vote for the Coalition again!

    Thankfully Wentworth is coming back to the coalition. Phelps has been unceremoniously BOOTED!

    While the rich Warringah residents who can easily afford higher electricity bills, and thus accept expebsove "UNreliables" seem to have gone off the edge ....

    The result was well summarised here ...

    Aussie Election Lesson: "Climate Activism" is a Game for Lazy Rich Elitists

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/05/18/aussie-election-lesson-climate-activism-is-a-game-for-lazy-rich-elitists/
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    11:42am
    Interesting list of people there LUVCO2 All millionaires including Dr Phelps and at least two multi millionaires.Left wing orientated progressive elitists, who love to tell everyone else what to do while living in their comfy mansions.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    11:42am
    Interesting list of people there LUVCO2 All millionaires including Dr Phelps and at least two multi millionaires.Left wing orientated progressive elitists, who love to tell everyone else what to do while living in their comfy mansions.
    Julian
    22nd May 2019
    1:26pm
    What amuses me was the proposed attack on the "big end of town".

    Continuing with the assumption that all Australians are stupid, the front bench of the opposition including BS owned a collective 48 investment properties. BS alone said to be worth $61M.

    So....where exactly is the big end of town with proposed neg gearing laws to be grandfathered for existing properties up to Jan 2020??
    Proud Aussie
    20th May 2019
    10:51am
    Well said Maureen......fantastic choice by Australians. Here's hoping the next Labor leader is an honest one.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    3:26pm
    no at all Aussie, surely the template is out and the next labor leader has to be ScoMo-lite and play small target.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    5:01pm
    Yay ! Maureen for a future PM, and LUVCO2 for minster for the environment.

    20th May 2019
    11:03am
    The ASX is going berserk
    Up 100 pts already

    Prepare yourself for higher dividends and franking credits

    Twiggy Forest already have us a bonus for fear of labor getting in . But there’s thousands of $ in franking credits to come next year
    Added bonus is Scomo is going to fastrack cutting taxes

    Aussies are going to reap the benefits of the wise choice they made on the weekend

    You rippa !!!
    Jenny
    20th May 2019
    1:40pm
    What concerns me is the question of what will be taken away in order to fund these tax cuts?
    KSS
    20th May 2019
    2:00pm
    Read the budget papers Jenny. Mr Morrison put them out there well before the election. They tell you exactly what his policies are and how they will be funded.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    3:50pm
    Should we say some Aussies
    Aussiefrog
    20th May 2019
    11:09am
    The MSM lies, they're the ones to blame
    Charlie
    20th May 2019
    11:18am
    Who will answer the phone anymore when its so likely to be an Indian scammer. Then the parties start sending their political messages. Finally somebody is trying to do an election poll, quick hangup...

    Seats lost in in north Queensland were very much about the labor governments poor showing on controlling youth crime and blocking mining development that will bring employment. Add to this lefty activists turning up from Melbourne to protest the eating of meat and employment in mining coal.

    20th May 2019
    11:24am
    I went for a walk this morning and everyone I met is over the moon with the election results
    Went shopping after - local businesspeople and shoppers were all smiling and feeling good about themselves and the future of this country
    There is real hope and optmism in the air . All the negativity and doom and gloom the left has been espousing has all but disappeared in a puff of hot climate change air
    Greg
    20th May 2019
    11:38am
    Doesn't change the fact that our economy is going down - under-employment around 8%, house prices tumbling, interest rates likely to be reduced. And as you're an educated person why do interest rates go down??? Because the economy is going down, something needs to be done to stimulate the economy and that's the lever the RB pulls.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    2:40pm
    I know I am ecstatic , thrilled, euphoric, about this unexpected election result, not so much that ScoMo got in, but that people like Shorten, Wong, Plibersek and Albenese were kept out of government. I did suspect (hope) this might happen as the poll for preferred PM usually indicates who will win rather than any other poll.
    Crowcrag
    20th May 2019
    11:35am
    Isn’t it amazing how everyone is an expert AFTER the election about where parties got it right or wrong. Most comments reflect what some commentator or other has already said.
    However before this election we had ScoMo as PM of a Liberal government which had to negotiate with independent senators to get their policies through. And now? We have the same! At least Lib voters are happy this weekend. The big plus was evacuating Abbott AND Shorten.
    inextratime
    20th May 2019
    11:52am
    There were no experts before the election because we were all being told by "media experts" and professional polling companies that the Labor Party would win easily. So now people are revealing their own opinions on why those "experts' got it so wrong. Pretty obvious really but fairly upsetting if you voted Labor.
    Bridgit
    20th May 2019
    11:42am
    Boothby in SA has just gone to the Coalition! And Bass could also go! Yay!
    arbee
    20th May 2019
    3:23pm
    Liberals will govern in their own right, no need to rely on Independents in the lower house, and they will have enough right wing support in the upper house to now get most legislation through.
    Old Fella
    20th May 2019
    11:42am
    The ballot results give the LNP numbers for more votes counted in their favour. However the numbers also clearly indicate a restraint by voters in providing a mandate for any Political Party to ignore the differences of opinion and direction the Australian Society and Community might wish to proceed. I
    Old Man
    20th May 2019
    11:45am
    Graham Richardson got it right months ago with his advice to Shorten to let the Libs tear themselves apart and go on a holiday. It seems that the experts planning Labor's strategies knew better.

    Labor released their policies months ahead of what we expect during elections and they wrongfully assumed that they would be facing Turnbull who was a weak leader not prepared to get into the rough and tumble of elections. They had too many policies that they had hoped to aim at all of the different demographics but had problems getting so many messages across.

    The policies that caused angst amongst some sections were the franking credits and the lack of costing on climate change. Bowen's comment that if people didn't like the franking credit policy they could choose not to vote Labor was perceived as arrogant. It would have been very simple to make exempt those on lower incomes to really show that they were targetting the "top end of town". The costings on climate change were removed from the Labor website and this gave the Coalition ammunition to suggest that the costings were too horrendous for voters to know about. Labor's policies were perceived as dividing Australia into rich and poor which doesn't work, especially as they won't define who they categorise as rich or who the "top end of town" really is. The worker in Queensland who got sacked for asking Shorten about Labor's tax policy didn't help matters.

    Shorten and Bowen continually gave the impression that a Labour win was a lay down misère which put them straight into the "tall poppy" category and Australians don't like that. When Shorten demanded to have joint decision making into Ambassadorial and the Governor-General appointments as well as demanding that Morrison would ensure a seamless handover after the election, he reinforced the arrogance that Australians don't accept.

    Sure, Morrison took on all of the media without exposing his Ministry and made himself a large target. He stuck to the simple line of economics, questioning Labor's high taxing policies, the lack of detail on climate change and the "pensioner's tax" which amounted to a scare campaign which was so successful by Labor in the 2016 election. His simple message seemed to resonate better than Bowen's complicated policies. When all is said and done, the average voter cares about his/her personal position and how policies affect them rather than the ideological policies that Labor and the Greens want to inflict on voters.
    jackie
    21st May 2019
    12:20am
    Turnbull would have won the election over Shorten better than Morrison.
    maxchugg
    23rd May 2019
    4:36pm
    Turnbull would have won the election over Shorten better than Morrision.

    Two questions:

    1. Why did the Liberals dump Turnbull? Perhaps because he destroyed Abbott because Abbott lost so many consecutive polls, yet Turnbull lost more than Abbott?

    2. Given his comments after being deposed, was Turnbull really a Liberal, or was he Labor in Liberal clothing?
    maxchugg
    23rd May 2019
    4:36pm
    Turnbull would have won the election over Shorten better than Morrision.

    Two questions:

    1. Why did the Liberals dump Turnbull? Perhaps because he destroyed Abbott because Abbott lost so many consecutive polls, yet Turnbull lost more than Abbott?

    2. Given his comments after being deposed, was Turnbull really a Liberal, or was he Labor in Liberal clothing?
    Mad as Hell
    20th May 2019
    11:48am
    If the changes to negative gearing was an assault on self funded retirees then the changes to the 2017 Pensioner Assets Test was not a fair go for those who have a go.
    One doesn’t plan for their retirement the day before they retire and to have the your assets stolen fares well for the thieves who target the minority.
    I wish the polls had got it right.
    rtrish
    20th May 2019
    11:49am
    Mad as Hell, Yes.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    3:36pm
    The polls always get it right. By and large most of the pensioners kicked off the pension due to the 2017 assets test changes deserve what they got and will hopefully more of the same to come in the budget cutbacks so the truly vulnerable can be better supported. The 300,000 or so retirees affected from 2017 would not have voted as they did this time around if they were not on board with it. It only takes 1 in 70 voters to change their votes and in turn the election outcome. Choices have consequences. When the whining starts just tell 'em to talk to the hand.
    rtrish
    20th May 2019
    11:48am
    Yes I was surprised because of the way the polls were going. But - it all started back in 2003 with the leadership issue. As soon as they picked Bill Shorten, I knew it was a mistake. Nice guy, but no “oomph.” I was at an event once and the guest was Shorten. When he walked in, someone said to me, “Who’s that?” Ouch! The other factor - policies that would hit older people. Franking credits and other issues don’t affect me but, once again, as soon as those issues were mentioned - oh, boy. Many of my friends are affected and Labor zoomed downwards. Maybe grandfathering might have helped.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    1:52pm
    To true, I also thought that Shorten was a bad choice to much baggage for a start. I know not being liked is not a eyeopener how one can perform when he gets the job but a lot of people enter that in there intentions who to vote for.
    Chris B T
    20th May 2019
    11:48am
    When voting Placing 1 to Whatever No. Is up to the Voter.
    So you can put anyone Where You Desired.
    Just Remember There is Not Much Selection and Lobor Didn't Enjoy Preferences By the Comments Here. They Had The Greens Preferences on how to Vote Leaflets.(For Sheep)
    No One Is In The Polling Both With You Making You Fill Out Your Vote in a Particular Numbering Order.
    My Preference is Numbering Only 1 but the Voting System Tells How To Number boxes for both Houses of Government.
    Not a Bludger
    20th May 2019
    11:54am
    What do you all expect?
    Scomo’s Quiet Aussies don’t respond to robo calls, leftie journos, shrill get up crowds or thug unionists shouting in the street.
    For pollsters to regain any credibility they will have go back to (expensive) sound statistical modelling and reduce dependence on phone calls - to which many, because of constant bombardment from all types of organisations, will not respond.
    Time, also, they started publishing margins of error with their poll results.
    Buggsie
    20th May 2019
    11:56am
    I don't like to brag but 12 months ago I wrote to Chris Bowen and, among other matters, told him that in my opinion, his negative gearing and franking credit policies would cost Labor the election. He did not reply. Most of my friends thought that I was mad or delusional when I repeatedly predicted the correct outcome of the election. As to polling, the methodology is suspect and social media is a better indicator. Good on Morrison for winning, despite having no policies and a totally disfunctional political team. Tough times are coming, the world economy is turning to shit and we will all suffer - Morrison's response will be to cut essential services and welfare, the traditional knee-jerk response of all previous LNP governments in this country. Governments will continue to need more money - how long before an attempt is made to raise the GST to 15%? After all such a raise can be blamed on the States, as they are ultimately responsible essential services such as energy, health and education. Morrison is no different to other pollies - lying is in their DNA and all decisions are made to ensure re-election, not for our benefit.
    KSS
    20th May 2019
    1:31pm
    Mr Morrison's policies were all in the budget papers released weeks before the election was called. There was no need to rehash them they were there for all to see if you chose to look.
    Ny19
    20th May 2019
    12:06pm
    Australians have long been conservative voters (at least in my lifetime). They continued to vote for Robert Menzies after he gave Britain permission to test their nuclear weapons in our country poisoning everyone with fallout. They kept voting for him after he sent our boys to fight in Vietnam. They voted for Malcolm Fraser’s government for 2 terms (he was in power 7 and 1/2 years) after he took away Medicare (then Medibank) benefits and free education bestowed by Whitlam’s government. They got rid of Keating who was the most brilliant leader ever in this country and the most effective treasurer of all time in the Hawke government. John Howard rode the wave set up by Keating and got the kudos. I’m not surprised that our country’s historical conservative nature rejected progressive policy put forward by the Labor Party in the campaign but I am terribly disappointed and despair that Aussie’s yet again have allowed fear to lead their vote and thus have settled for the safety of mediocrity.

    The polls can’t be relied upon anymore so they may as well stop producing them. I for one will be paying no further attention to any polls.

    Economists are saying we are heading toward recession later this year. At least Labor won’t have to lead us through it and get blamed for it. It’s all over to the LNP now to show us what brilliant economic managers they really are (not!).

    I further despair that so many people obviously do not care about the effects of climate change and the future of their children and grandchildren and all of life on this planet. Very depressing result!
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    1:58pm
    Well lets see if they can do it like labor did during the GFC. No they probably say it's not their fault because it was because of a global problem.
    Ny19
    20th May 2019
    2:30pm
    Wstaton, they will probably continue to blame Labor. Being in opposition for 6 years did not stop Labor getting the blame for everything from those chosen to rule.
    Ny19
    20th May 2019
    2:41pm
    Whoops, meant “born to rule”.
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    2:43pm
    If we have a mining boom and China is going gangbusters like they did when Australia had a faux “financial crisis”, the LNP would be smart enough to just ride the wave and keep delivering surpluses
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    3:01pm
    What planet are you on Maureen, never heard such rot.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    4:00pm
    Wow! so now the GFC never happened.

    Also What I don't understand during this election was the fact that our national debt more than doubled under the LNP.
    Sundays
    20th May 2019
    4:10pm
    But, Wstaton we are ‘back in the black’, next year. We will see if that holds true after the September figures
    Couldabeen
    20th May 2019
    4:21pm
    Wstation. Maureen is closer to the truth about the GFC than the ALP claims. Australia was never in real danger from the GFC as our Banks were not exposed to such high risk, high debt that countries such as Ireland and Spain and the US were. The worst that could've happened here was that companies that had diverse intensive overseas investment would've lost money. But not enough to send them into insolvency.
    The $900 cheques were soon cashed and at least 50% of that money left the country for ever.
    jackie
    21st May 2019
    12:24am
    Ny19....Menzies’ policies had good moral values and policies. He was all for Unions, fair pay and work conditions. He believed every Australian should own a home. The Liberal values have changed so much since then.
    cupoftea
    20th May 2019
    12:11pm
    God bless America, sorry Australia
    mike
    20th May 2019
    12:15pm
    I am surprised that labor and the Greens got any votes at all, with the insane climate change policy that would have ruined this great nation, and even if we were able to reduce emissions to zero, China would have nullified that in 20 minutes. Also Judas Shorten's ( named Judas for his betrayel of the 157 workers at the Chequita Mushroom Co for 24000 pieces of silver) retiree Tax Grab, where he lied that it would only have affected the wealthy. The wealthy would not have been affected, but the low income retirees would have been devasted, it would have hit the savings of over a million Australians, and it would have moved the goal posts of all Australians who worked hard and saved. Shorten is a union thug who betrayed his own workers, a liar, cheat, thief, and accused rapist. Hopefully Labor will replace Liar Shorten with a leader of some integrity. There have been great Labor leaders in the past, but Liar Shorten is not one of them.
    bob menzies
    20th May 2019
    12:30pm
    Maureen,

    Well said - wife and I spent all day on a booth and we went home with little or no confidence and was watching the ABC and at 6:30 they were saying we should shortly be able to declare victory for labor so we tuned into SkyNews and a different story - have not stopped celebrating and will be having dinner with liberal member.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    12:34pm
    Love this, people are sick of the left leaning media. I suppose no-one is sick of the right leaning media. You know those that are always spewing false facts.

    We have LNP getting 40% first preference and labor only 30% But Labor must have got a heck of a lot of preference votes. I take this as Labor voters taking all into consideration and it would appear that they did not want LNP.

    There is also the affect of a guy spending $80million on advertising denigrating labor especially in Queensland. You know that guy who wouldn't pay all the employees that he got rid of, their entitlements. You must love those gullible people who fell for his rhetoric.

    Now Adani. I decided to research the claims. 10,000 jobs they say would be created. That seems to be right in this case but for one thing. They neglected to say that only 1490 full time jobs would be created. The rest were short time and only during the build phase. At the end goodbye to these 8510 jobs off to the dole queue. Wonder if they will get redundancy pay. I wonder how many tourist jobs will disappear after the reef disappears.

    That brings me to climate change. It would appear that 97% of the scientists in the world are agreeing that it is happening. I saw a cartoon not long ago depicting the 97% scientists and the other 3%.

    The text of this was:

    Here's the plot:

    97% of the world's scientists conspire to create an imaginary environmental crisis, only to be exposed by a plucky band of Billionaires, Senators and oil companies!

    Now the LNP won. Good luck to them The only thing that I am sorry not to see happen is that bully Dutton kicked out. I blame getup for that. Don't attack a favorite son in national territory as they will always rally around even if they don't like him.

    Another thing I wonder about democracy. How is it that the nationals can get 10 seats with a total of only 570,035 votes yet the greens with 1,188,910 votes can only get one.

    And a correction (ref AEC site) LNP got 41.1% and Labor got 34.89% of first prefs.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    3:41pm
    Wstaton asks "Another thing I wonder about democracy. How is it that the nationals can get 10 seats with a total of only 570,035 votes yet the greens with 1,188,910 votes can only get one."

    Answer:geography. Nationals are concentrated in the divisions. Greens are spread across the divisions, which is why they do better in the Senate.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    4:02pm
    Yes Farside I understood that but that doesn't mean that our democratic system of electing MP's is somewhat flawed.
    Couldabeen
    20th May 2019
    4:16pm
    Wstation, it is a pity that you are so bitter and disappointed.
    Across the Nation in State and Federal elections, fewer than 20% of Labor candidates get in on first preferences. Over 80% are relying on the preferences from the Greens. (The Greens are total masters on rorting the electoral system for their own ends. Ask yourself why do they frequently stand candidates in electorates that the candidate has never lived in and expect no more than a <2% sympathy vote?)
    In my Queensland electorate, it looks as if the ALP candidate on 35% will beat the LNP candidate on 41%. Thanks to the 16% coming from the Greens candidate.
    As Mr Palmer and his UAP secured no seats in the House of Representatives and typically less than 5% of primary votes, his preferences count for around nothing. His intensive advertising campaign may've triggered people to think about how they will vote, but you cannot say that it would've taken support away from Labor.

    As you say, now Adani. Adani have already spent many millions of dollars in Australia and Queensland as they prepare for their mine. There is, as you say, limited direct employment, but the $billions that will flow into the Queensland and Australian economies thanks to the Royalties will be paying the salaries of tens of thousands of Australians over the coming decades.
    As for damage to the GBR and the loss of tourism dollars, overall the GBR is in good health and there has been a loss in tourists visiting as a result of completely misleading information from such groups as Greenpeace and FOE. You may like to explore the Professor Peter Ridd case regarding the health and future of the GBR.
    For anyone to quote the "97% of climate scinetists", it shows that you haven't actually looked at the fine print about how that "97%" was obtained and what they actually agreed to. None of the predicted adverse effects from human emissions have occurred to the extent that has been predicted.
    Why is there such a disparity between the number votes for Greens and Nationals and representation? Maybe because the Nationals only field candidates in electorates that they know they have a chance in winning while the Greens are present in every electorate to ensure that they get a multiplier effect in the AEC payments.
    In the last WA election, where they stood candidates, One Nation typically got twice the number of votes that the Greens candidate received.
    travelman
    20th May 2019
    12:59pm
    Polls cannot be trusted, history teaches us that and like the article says, social media dominates but is not sound for evaluation.
    I found this particular election so badly flawed that it could not be a proper level playing field. I do not suggest that Labour would have won if it had been a level playing field; they made their mistakes and for whatever reason I am not privy to.

    There is one word that comes to mind that reflects this election - it is the word 'ugly'. So many bad things happened that should never have happened. A Prime Minister who just couldn't control his mouth or remain truthful and I saw him behave in a desperate way to win this election regardless of the cost to his own conscience. We saw Clive Palmer do some dirty tricks by devoting his promoting not to his own candidates but used it to abuse the Labour party. Do doubt he would be better at writing his diatribe on toilet walls. This whole election has taught me this, many people are quick to accept garbage from the mouths of the unworthy because they have lost the ability to make decisions from the sound analysis of their own minds. Perhaps we as a people have been so, pummelled like a prize fighter, by politics that we can no longer think clearly. We lose but democracy for our children becomes our biggest loss. Labour lost but perhaps this is but a moment in time and a time yet to come when we will choose them. Until then, we have to face the consequences of our own foolishness.

    Our political system is in desperate need of change, it no longer can give us democratic freedom; we have lost our right to express our voices directly at our leaders; we no longer have, individually, the power to be heard. We can write to the newspapers,to our politicians but we are vetoed before we can be heard if our comment is not to their liking except here in this platform. But it is up to us to be more forthright and active. It is our country and we have the right to be heard.
    Gardengirl
    20th May 2019
    1:05pm
    Well Nikki the Coalition did say they would reduce immigration and that is why I voted for them. How much longer can we take this pouring in of masses of people and hope to enjoy any quality of life in the cities! PLUS retain the remmanants of our culture!
    KB
    20th May 2019
    1:08pm
    Perhaps government ministers should not run scared when their party and leader does not do well in the polls. I have had polls and always give an honest answers. This is also a means of expressing what matters to me the most which is the environment. Libs only won thanks to Clive Palmers and his negative advertising of Labour and their policies Young people voted Labor because they are doing it tough on penalty rates. Please Prime Minister you must bring back penalty rates and stop ADANI from wrecking the Great Barrier Reef from coal mining.
    Couldabeen
    20th May 2019
    4:27pm
    KB, in case you hadn't noticed, Penalty Rates are not leaving for quite a while. As they stand, the average loss in income for those affected is only a few dollars an hour. No-one will be losing hundreds of dollars from their weekend pay. Remember that the recommended changes to the Penalty Rate system has been determined by a Tribunal set up by the ALP.
    The Adani mine will have no effect, either directly or indirectly on the Great Barrier Reef. Physically impossible. Neither mechanically nor through climate influences.
    Batara
    20th May 2019
    1:10pm
    Greed and privilege won the day. Now no one knows whst what pllicies the Morrison rabble will introduce because they did not tell us in the campaign. Labor promised real reform with a better deal for seniors in medical and dental. That would be funded by wealthy people losing the rorts that the Howard government gifted them in different economic times. The rich weren't prepared to help seniors.. Their greed won the day - that is with lots of coaching fro. Morrison and his scaremongering. Australia is left shamed with no realistic chance of tax reform in the next 50 years. I will not be around when reform finally comes. Peo ppl let who voted Liberal hang your heads in shame.
    KSS
    20th May 2019
    1:47pm
    Read the budget papers handed down before the election. Therein lie all the policies of the LNP.

    And as for scaremongering Mr Shorten had his share of doing that aty the last election with his mediscare tactics. That didn't come to pass did it? Not even close.

    I can see you are disappointed Batara, but Mr Shorten wasn't about to help seniors - his did not raise pensions, he removed franking credits from SFRs, he wanted to prevent middle Australia from getting tax cuts, he quarantined existing investors from negative gearing changes and capital gains tax (did you not check that his own front bench were 'guilty' of owning up to 6 investment properties) even though the vast number of property investors are in fact the teachers, nurses etc who work hard to provide for their future. They are not sitting on the back of their yachts sipping chanpagne as Mr Shorten claimed.

    No, the electorate by and large were worried about the changes that were proposed, the magnitude of them and the short time frame alotted to make them. There was and is a real fear what that would have done to the economy at large. After all, the offer of free child care, free scans and medical treatment for cancer patients, increases to child care workers wages of over 20%, free education at TAFE etc were not enough to get him over the line. People know that there is no such thing as a free lunch and Mr Shorten's refusal to give details of any of his policies or the costings of his climate change initiatives (never mind the extraordinary short time frame in which to achieve all this) meant that people just didn't buy what he had to sell. Of cpourse there is always the party faithful (as there is on both sides) but Mr Shorten couldn't even sell to them!
    Circum
    20th May 2019
    2:31pm
    Perhaps Batara would like Morrison to lower the pension assets test further so that a million more people do not receive a pension.Instead they become instant rich self funded retirees and therefore can be blamed for being greedy and responsible for Australias economic situation.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    2:44pm
    Once again Batara you are speaking absolute nonsense and drivel and the election result proves it. It must be cold up there on the moral high ground with so few of the electorate agreeing with you. Thankfully.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    3:07pm
    BTW Batara I certainly won't be hanging my head in shame ( as you should be for supporting the ALP), rather I will be holding my head up proudly forever boasting that I, with my vote, am one of the many who saved Australia from a Shorten led government. I can proudly say that all my voting life I have put Labor last on the ballot to make sure my vote could in no way count towards them). Lately though there has been the debate as to whether I should Labor or green last on the ballot.
    Couldabeen
    20th May 2019
    4:34pm
    Batara, I still haven't forgiven Wayne Swan (remember him, the self proclaimed best treasurer in the world) for stealing away $1,000 a year of dental treatment.
    Prior to his meddling, after an individual had spent $1,000 in a year on dental treatment, you got the over spend back. Mr Swan shift that threshold to $2,000/year.
    That is a reflection of how Labor actually cares about the average working and retired Australian.

    20th May 2019
    1:35pm
    Those people funding Getup should be ashamed of themselves . Getup and the unions spent more than Clive Palmer did and look where it go them
    Just shows that Aussies are sick of these bullies and loonies
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    2:26pm
    Another Right Falsee. Palmer spent upwards of $60million. Getup spent $4million. You don't stop do you.

    PS: If you think the $4million is a falsee the read the Sydney Morning Herald.

    As for the unions spent (not contributions to the labor party) I can't find anywhere where it states how much they spent directly for ads and other things.

    Maybe you can enlighten us Maureen
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    2:34pm
    The unions spent in the hundred of millions
    Being the closed shop secretive mafia that they are , the presss cannot get hold of the information or mist likely don’t want to
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    2:47pm
    Maureen... you go girl.....have you ever thought of going into politics you've got my vote!!
    Adrianus
    20th May 2019
    3:06pm
    And Maureen, unsurprisingly this time the government will not be handing any of that money back under the vague heading of training union officials as Rudd and Gillard did.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    4:08pm
    Well well well. The Media can't get the information but Maureen can.
    Lets have some facts not statements.
    jackie
    21st May 2019
    12:28am
    Maureen...Where is your evidence that Getup spent so much money? The Liberal Party is funded by large corporations and the rich. That’s why they get tax cuts.
    LJ
    20th May 2019
    1:35pm
    There is an urgency to talk about anything else than the elephant in the room, which was that Labor's policies were rejected by the voters.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    2:30pm
    No they were rejected by a majority of voters. Probably between 51 -52percent. Leaving 49 - 48percent disenfranchised.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    2:48pm
    And Wstaton thank heaven those 48 per cent were disenfranchised , that's how our system works. if you don't like it reform it!!
    LJ
    20th May 2019
    3:58pm
    The remainder were not 'disenfranchised'. They voted and expressed their preferences which were also factored into the final result.
    KSS
    20th May 2019
    4:06pm
    Noone was 'disenfranchised' Wstaton. They all got to vote. They just didn't get what they wanted. That's a very different thing. But guess what, you don't always get what you want. That's called democracy!
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    4:14pm
    Digby. That's what the 48percent were trying to do wasn't it, you can't reform it by voting for the other side.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    8:45pm
    I didn't want want anything reformed W, just adamantly detested the thought of a Shorten led govt. By the way to be disenfranchised means not being awarded voting rights. The 48% clearly had the right to vote or they wouldn't be in the 48% vote count.
    Mum
    20th May 2019
    1:42pm
    I did the ABC Vote Compass, and was found to be leaning towards Labor. However, I was worried that Labor would spend up big and put us way back in the red, so voted Liberal.
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    5:16pm
    Well Mum I hope you have plenty of money to cover your hospital and dental bills and no one needs a wage increase or better penalty rates, don't need help with childcare, NDIS and better education funding in your family.
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    7:36pm
    Misty, Labor wasn't going to help me at all. However I didn't vote for "me issues".
    I wish people would understand that pensioners are not the only people who have trouble paying dental bills. We don't solve problems by taking money from someone else to pay another person's health bill. We need to address the huge fees dental surgeons charge. Subsidies just enable them to further increase charges.
    There were so many issues that affected different groups and Labor dismissed their concerns as a sacrificial sector of the community. 30000 mortgage brokers around Australia were facing having to close their doors if Labor intended to implement the Royal bank commission recommendation to the letter.
    - and I really don't like the media making comments post election as if they are "ticking us off" for not voting the way they wanted us to. They are still trying to tell us how to think!
    We are not Muppets. We know when we are being manipulated.
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    8:22pm
    Mum, you confirmed what I suspected. People did not follow the indication of the compass survey but were influenced by LNP/Palmer scare tactics about the economy. You did not trust your values.
    You are a muppet though Rosret because you allowed the rhetoric of ScoMo to sway your vote. You were manipulated by LNP/Palmer tactics. You probably decided which side had the most for you in your money situation.
    How many people asked, what is best for all especially those who need help and support?
    People who side with the big corporations and people who own 15 houses rather than a low paid worker or a young person trying to buy their first house need to rethink why they do so.
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    10:50pm
    Not at all Paddington. I don't 'fear' any campaign (In Aus 2019). I am proud of our Nation that were not swayed by Palmer ads or the Get up team who only managed to defame one politician knife by knife.

    I am well aware that the Labor party have their eyes on the Superannuation cache. That's not fear that is a reality. - And the Greens idiocy and their constant throw the baby out with the bathwater ideologies which have contributed to how many suicides as the Murray Darling Basin scheme has destroyed one farm after another. Meanwhile Vegan activists are terrorizing farmer's homes and kids are being conned into taking days off school to deliberately promote anti-government discontent.

    I take each issue on its merits and since I am not a politician I don't have to agree with any party in their entirety. This time Labor stuffed it all by themselves. All the pins were lined up for a strike and wrecked it all by themselves.
    pedro the swift
    20th May 2019
    1:44pm
    The polls are only a stab in the dark.The sample size is much too low to get a real result anyway. And I got so sick of getting their robocalls I just gave them rubbish info. I wonder how many others did that?
    I hope it skewed their results so that in future they might leave us alone to concentrate on the real issues.
    Sundays
    20th May 2019
    2:07pm
    We live in a democracy, so we respect the vote of the people. There will be no money now for health, education and the biggest losers are those on Newstart, but hey some over entitled people got to keep their Franking credits. At least Tony Abbot was ousted. Scomo will actually have to Govern, no more blaming Labor
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    2:11pm
    Only the poorer retirees get to keep their franking credits .
    The well off will offset tjeor total tax payable with the prepaid tax as Shorten intended
    Sundays
    20th May 2019
    2:14pm
    Not those with up to $1.6m in tax free self managed super funds, they keep their Franking credits but maybe that’s your idea of poor.
    Roby
    20th May 2019
    3:36pm
    You and your Mate Misty don't seem to be taking in the fact that you lefties got your ars kicked and there is no coming back Sundays
    Sundays
    20th May 2019
    4:06pm
    Sad but true Roby. For me personally, the coalition policies give me some wins, for the country time will tell!
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    4:08pm
    Roby, we are grieving for sure. I don’t deny that.
    I grieve for the people who will be hurt. I just had an email from a group who were hoping for a more compassionate handling of asylum seekers and those already being held.
    There is a long list at risk and they are frightened.
    I have never ever felt like this after an election, NEVER!
    It is actually scaring me how upset I am. I don’t want anything for myself. But if the LNP are able to push through legislation without any challenge goodness only knows where that is heading?!
    Couldabeen
    20th May 2019
    4:39pm
    Sundays, there has been no reduction in spending on health and education. Under the coalition there have been increases in these areas since they came to power. In Queensland at least, it has been the State Labor Government that has dropped the ball on effective allocations of this funding.
    arbee
    20th May 2019
    5:04pm
    Sunday's. I respect your post as it appears the party of your choice has lost the election. What a pity others aren't as gracious as you are.
    It will be up to the people who voted Liberal, and party members such as myself to keep the party honest in regards to its promises,.
    Don't forget the fact that for each year in government the Liberals actually increased health and education funding, and there is no reason to think that wont continue.
    You cannot expect Rudd's wild unfunded promises before the 2013 election to have been part of health and education funding, because they probably would never have been met if he had got back in.
    Also, we need the few franking credits we get, as we don't qualify for the pension due to my wife still owning and renting out the house she owned before we got married. Our low income would easily qualify us for the pension otherwise.
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    5:19pm
    Yes arbee they did maker as mistake with the FC and Chris Bowen was very arrogant and dismissive of people's worries, they should have made adjustments and grandfayhered it too to make it a fairer policy.
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    8:34pm
    arbee, they did not increase funding to hospitals and schools, goodness me, you believe that? They go after the poorer end, it is the liberal way!
    There it is, you voted because of the franking credits.
    You don’t depend on them because you have assets and can make other choices.
    jackie
    21st May 2019
    12:37am
    Roby...Yes this Government won but I feel sorry for those on New Start Allowance. They won’t get a rise. This Government will give them a harder time and blame them for their plight just like our homeless ones and the mentally ill.

    This deeply religious Morrison that believes in Noah’s Ark but not Climate Change. How will he handle Climate Change refugees? He can’t afford welfare for the poor but can afford welfare for the rich.
    Couldabeen
    21st May 2019
    12:54am
    jackie, there is no need to be concerned about the "Climate Change refugees" as they aren't coming. Over 20 years ago there were predictions that numerous Alaskan villages would be more than a metre underwater by 2017. As of last month, reports confirm that the water is no closer to the homes in those villages now than they were in 2000.
    None of the cataclysmic climate change events have played out as predicted.
    The way things are actually going, building a "Noah's Ark" would be better spending of the monies than many of the climate change prevention actions presently in play.
    KB
    20th May 2019
    2:10pm
    I agree with you Jackie concerning Clive Palmer and the Liberals. The negative campaign rum by his was distasteful thankfully Clive Palmer did not get into parliament Murdoch has a great deal of influence.There are some very hurtful and negative comments on this site aimed at those of who care about the environment. We all have a right to an opinion .Opinions must be shared respectfully
    Couldabeen
    20th May 2019
    5:07pm
    KB, yes, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But to be valid, that opinion must be backed up by facts. There are too many opinions about the environment that are voiced very loudly that are not supported by factual analysis. Fear mongering has been the hallmark of the AGW proponents and they left hard repeatable science behind over a decade ago.
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    2:23pm
    The polls (Labor) got it wrong because they wrote off too many sectors of the community for THEIR agenda.
    They kept on screaming policies to claim a mandate to deliver upon after coming into Government. There is a process of discussion, debate, negotiation that they thought just didn't matter. It does.
    You can't keep robbing from those who are working or are self reliant to fund a welfare state. You have to grow the economy to be able to fund welfare.
    Where were those policies?
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    2:32pm
    Yes Rosret
    The difference between LNP and Labor couldn’t have been more stark this elections
    LNP wants to grow the pie to find welfare
    Labor wants to take a bigger slice of a constant size pie to find welfare
    The problem with labors policies is that it will shrink the pie further
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    4:14pm
    Promises are not law. These are the things they are proposing and hoping will get through the senate. Things like cancer support, dental on Medicare, hope for climate policy, negative gearing only allowed on new properties from next year, franking credits removed, etc. these things would pay for hospitals and schools which are extremely important and helps everyone. It was the other that was the problem, like “Shorten is coming for your money!” Hip pocket nerve!
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    6:03pm
    Promises give them a mandate - we have seen this many times in years gone by.
    Hospitals and Education are being looked after. Its the same ole same ole as if they dragged the paper out from the last election.
    You can't rob the economic power house to pay the welfare recipients if those working extraordinarily hard are being tax to the level of "what's the point".
    Pensioners get dental cover - do you realise how many people can't afford dental? Address the dentists salaries not the rebates.
    Not Amused
    20th May 2019
    2:23pm
    The polls got it wrong with Trump, Brexit and now Australian elections. I believe in miracles.
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    6:06pm
    Not that I ever answered a poll but I would never tell a poll survey what I really thought. Its none of their business.
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    8:35pm
    Trump is similar to the right side of politics here too.
    JAID
    20th May 2019
    2:44pm
    The writer's explanation for why the Polls got it wrong seems reasonable to me. Normal telephones are probably becoming a rarity.

    More important to me, I got it wrong. In the last two weeks I felt certain of a coalition victory but uncertain whether they would govern in their own right. Now it looks clear that they will not only do that but have an extra one or two seats to set aside as speaker, traveller, etc. My biggest mistake was in thinking that there would be a last minute, up to 1% sympathy swing due to Mr. Hawke's demise and that would swing it the other way.

    Bob Hawke's often quoted "Never underestimate the intelligence of the Australian voter" was well founded since sympathy for something so disassociated has turned out something we are too sharp to engage in when important matters of state are involved.
    Old Geezer
    20th May 2019
    2:54pm
    No surprise to me at all. I've been telling you lot for weeks the Liberals would win.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    3:44pm
    and I did point you to Sportsbet and recommended to bet large at $5 :D
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    5:25pm
    Yes OG and I have to apologise for doubting you but I do believe a lot of misrepresentation of facts by Clive Palmer had something to do with Labor'e loss.
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    5:27pm
    Labor lost because of labor

    But it’s good that you people keep blaming others

    Hope labor sticks to its current policies then LNP will get in next time with an even bigger margin
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    7:40pm
    Misty, CP had absolutely nothing to do with it.
    Maybe you could blame the Greens alliance with labor as Labor's downfall.
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    10:19pm
    Rosret Clive Palmer said on TV this morning Scott Morrison can thank him for the Coalition win and who knows what deals were done to get his support for the Coalition.
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    10:57pm
    Of course he did. He is egocentric and it is his way of saving face.
    If there was no CP those people would have voted Liberal anyway. He wasted $80m - I guess we should thank him for his infusion of money into the economy - or at least the media.
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    2:56pm
    Clive Palmer said on TV today that Scott Morrison owes his election win to the Clive Palmer support, wonder what deal was done to get his support.
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    3:01pm
    No deal
    But this country owes Clive Palmer a great deal - $80 million and more
    I wouldn’t begrudge him being paid back what he spend but my guess is Clive doesn’t need the money
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    3:05pm
    And how do you know that Maureen, are you a Liberal Troll?.
    Sundays
    20th May 2019
    3:14pm
    Misty, I’m thinking Galilee Basin.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    3:46pm
    Palmer's Waratah Coal is the largest tenement holder in the Galilee Basin
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    4:11pm
    It seems like you say stuff it to the people who worked and helped him make his millions. Then he screws them. You are showing your colours Maureen.
    Paddington
    20th May 2019
    4:16pm
    Palmer wants consideration when it comes to taxing big corporations like his for a start. Mining is another one.
    Maureen, why doesn’t Clive pay his workers?
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    4:30pm
    Maureen, Once again a response that you cannot know. You don't think people broadcast underskirt deals.
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    6:11pm
    No Misty - they would have voted Liberal if the UAP didn't exist. Clive is just saving face and making himself appear a winner regardless of wasting $80m.
    I must say it was nice for some lobbyist to infuse so much money into our economy. - and so grateful the Australian population is not that stupid.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    9:30pm
    Musty, are you an ALP troll?
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    10:21pm
    Are you a Coalition troll ruy?.
    jackie
    21st May 2019
    12:41am
    Misty... A number 2 vote for Clive was a vote for the Liberals.
    Andy
    20th May 2019
    3:00pm
    a friend said he started counting non-votes in Queensland said he got to 60.000 and stopped counting that is a great wrong people not wanting to vote ANP or Labor so not voting at all sooner or later they will wake up there are better alternatives now could be they wanted to vote but did not know how that would be a major problem also good to see the Muslims did not back Labor 100%
    Misty
    20th May 2019
    3:07pm
    So they must have backed the Coalition Andy.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    9:29pm
    Not necessarily Musty.
    McGroger
    20th May 2019
    3:13pm
    Welcome to down town Bedrock, laze ’n’ gem.

    I’m sitt’n’ back on me slag heap watch’n’ the world go by.

    There’s Mayor Morristone on the town hall steps feed’n’ snake oil to the plesiosaurs. And over there - look, to the right - Rock McCormrock just ducked into the Graman pub to escape Barnaby Rubble.

    And… just over the river - it looks like Tanya Pleistocene and Anthony Albertite hav’n’ a punchup. And cheering ‘em on - I think it’s Chris Boulder and Stony Burk and -

    Sorry, gotta go. One of me grandkids is peddling a footmobile into the sunset; if I don’t catch ‘im ‘e’s gunna drive off the edge of the earth.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    3:33pm
    Very well put McGroger.... wish I could have said it....
    MD
    20th May 2019
    3:50pm
    Yep, an Dino meanwhile continues to run rampant bitin evryone onna ankle - lotsa disgruntled neanders...WILLLMAAAA!
    Some folks still livin inna stone age, haven't got they heads outa the sand, so keep it up Mc Groger - you may be the missing link we all bin waitin for.
    beyond caring
    20th May 2019
    3:27pm
    I like many of my friends we just could not understand what the polls were saying. We all said no way we would be voting labour this time, around yet we were told most voters would be. Anyway to look at it ,, older Aust are very happy will the outcome. But what also surprised
    me was the number of younger voters that were also going toward coalition.
    Rosret
    20th May 2019
    6:20pm
    So not an impartial phone poll? Sounds more like leaning on votes by mob rule pressure.
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    6:24pm
    The ABC and most other media outlets also supported labor trying to motivate Aussies into voting labor
    It was disgusting to watch but I salute my fellow Aussies for seeing through the b/s
    Looks like labor will have an even harder time in future years and they can thank the media , getup and unions for getting Aussies all riled up against them
    arbee
    20th May 2019
    3:32pm
    So the former News poll chief is blaming the lack of numbers now in the white pages for giving a skewed result to the left. That is a bit of a strange comment to me, as I would have thought that a majority of land line holders who are in the white pages are now predominantly in the older age bracket, of whom a majority have been shown to be right wing supporters. So, shouldn't that skew the polls to the right and not to the left if all they are doing is phone white page users?
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    4:33pm
    Gota blame something exept oneself.
    beyond caring
    20th May 2019
    3:43pm
    Like many of you lot been around a while, won some lost some, that's life get over ..

    Winners are griner's and losers can do what they like
    Eddy
    20th May 2019
    3:45pm
    I think the level of inaccuracy is what tilted the polls the wrong way. I understand that these type of polls have an inaccuracy of at least 3%. Ergo a prediction of 51% can actually be between 49.5% and 52.5% (I hope my understanding of statistics is accurate). Seems that the polling companies failed to take this inaccuracy into account when they published their predictions. As someone once said the only poll that counts is on election day. The Libs get one back for their disaster of 1993.
    john
    20th May 2019
    3:51pm
    Its simple why the polls were wrong.
    I have watched and listened to all the campaigning and how the ALP read the people and tried to distinguish between the fanatics and the general population, which they failed miserably.
    If you watch ABC or if you read Murdoch press no matter which way you lean , both ends of the campaign argument via media were often nasty and often unbelievable.
    The ALP simply killed themselves by a down ward look at any one who appeared to be thinking differently.
    LIKE THEY APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN TAUGHT BY DI NATALE AND THE gREENS AND THE FRINGE FANATICS WHO ARE CONNECTED TO THE ANIMAL RIGHTS PEOPLE , (sorry caps) who do stupid things to make a point, of course any decent human knows animals should never be treated cruelly , but we do eat them .
    Those types of protesting people who latch onto anything to win an argument even by fear, are probably why Shorten and the ALP got sucked into the save the world policies on a disputed science, on unbelievable comments on the future, but,
    and a massive but,

    Shorten couldn't say what cooling would occur with clean air ten year policy?
    He could not say what costs would occur ( more likely couldn't than wouldn't say)

    Then all the nonsense about negative gearing , death taxes, lifting capital gains tax, for investors whether they were wealthy or just the mum and dad investors , that shot them in the head rather than the foot.

    Bill Shorten since he began always looks rehearsed and wound up and turned on, Morrison looked like he meant what he was proposing and could do it without looking like a cardboard figure on stage. Looking believable is half the battle. Maybe the whole battle.

    Australians don't like, in fact, hate, deserters and turn coats and Turnbull made many say this "What has Morrison done wrong to have a former PM try to destabilize his own party"

    Turnbull and his son were a disgrace. Also the like of deserters like Banks who couldn't answer who or what was the bullying from.
    The bad mouthing of Tony Abbott was not nice and his opponent won because of Abbott bashing , in the lowest form, from the media too, and from the ABC . Like him or not , Australians don't like unbelievable insult and abuse, including a head butt.

    Climate change has been in over kill and becoming something many people are challenging as a thing that is going to end us all.
    To promte devastation via striking children half witted Greens , and a 16 year old roaming the world giving off stories of doom, how can people have faith in the future, and whether ALP politicians went along or not with the rubbish and the economy wrecking policies of their left and their more to the left off shoots like GetUp and the Greens, the ALP appeared, to be in the nutty world of doomsayers , like Flannery and the James Cook University that sacks it scientists when they show a different result after proper studying of the Barrier reef, Adani will give 8000 people work an d build a region with other infrastructure, the Reef is not being destroyed, how in hell did Labor think it would have a good go in QLD when they were through a fantasy of fear killing off jobs , making renewables the only base power producer in 10 years ???When it can only produce about 3% of the base power needed.
    America left the Paris climate accord and now has got figures showing that they have reduced emmisions, without any crazy agreement, plus they use Nuclear power and still burn coal in more modern ways, and cleaner ways not perfect , but cheap enough to last the much longer time it will take to achieve affordable renewables, maybe in a hundred years.
    We could have looked like an unemployed hell on earth here in Australia.
    Labor is not a working mans party , the unions are hungry like the business' they are supposed to oppose. Bill Shorten was an architect of Fair Work, now for my last smart remark and a pat on the back to myself! I was not surprised that the LNP won , and maybe yet pretty convincingly , than heavens for that!
    TREBOR
    20th May 2019
    7:01pm
    Adani may employ 2000 in the construction phase and around 200 in the production phase - nothing comes for free and 8000 jobs is a mirage...

    Of course the 2000 will be a revolving door - a few leccos herefor a couple of weeks, a few plumbers there, a few part time casual or contract workers here and there... it might ADD up to 8000 - but is in reality probably only the equivalent of 2000 REAL jobs..... and then most mining activities employ 200- people on a full-time basis.

    It's a mirage like all the other banana republic ventures that rob this nation. the profits will go offshore and pay no taxes here.... the workers will pay income tax.. the management/payroll/human resources etc will be managed offshore and pay nothing here...

    Jesus - even the Vietnamers will not permit a business venture unless it is 50% locally owned.... but then I suppose we of the West must eat our humble pie for our dream of Inclusion of all those other nations ....


    Stoopid is as stoopid does, as they allus say down in Green Bow...

    Thank god it's whale season and I can head up to the point to watch the whales.... they know how to work as a team,....
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    9:22pm
    John, your opening gambit hardly makes the rest of your post worth reading. You say "Its simple why the polls were wrong." but it is far from simple and professionals on both sides of politics also got it wrong. Even ScoMo and all the ministers I have heard since concede the result was a surprise to them, albeit a pleasant one. Is there any reason to believe the rest of your post is anything more than a throwaway line?
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    9:31pm
    Trebor, and the majority of the workforce will be FIFO from Brisbane. And when in operation it will be at the expense of the established Bowen Basin coal reserves. This may come as a surprise to the mineworkers in Capricornia and Dawson divisions. Choices have consequences.
    Not Amused
    20th May 2019
    3:58pm
    Who cares about incorrect polls when it was millions of quiet Australians who refused to have their country taxed and turned backwards on the mad decree of those socialist loud-mouthed, extreme and at times violent Getup mob. What a contrast with the Advance Australia outfit which supports mainstream Australian values and how they make their position known in a civilised manner. Modern technology appears to have made polls irrelevant.
    MD
    20th May 2019
    4:18pm
    So the fat man with 2 x chins, big north n south and deep pockets has done his dough eh...or has he? If past performance is indicative, then good luck to the spin doctors and advertising smart arses (those peddlars of ab-fabrication and smarm) in getting their money.
    Wstaton
    20th May 2019
    4:31pm
    No he used the money he owed his employees.
    Farside
    21st May 2019
    8:59am
    don't worry about Palmer MD, he will do ok and get his rewards after Adani's Carmichael mine opens up the Galilee Basin. Palmer's Waratah Coal is largest tenement holder in the Galilee and adjacent to Carmichael. When that happens watch the fallout in the other coal regions as their export sales are cannibalised.
    Priscilla
    20th May 2019
    4:49pm
    Thanks to democracy the bullies did not win. Labor needs to get in the real world. Australians are suffering hugely with all the extra taxes they are made to pay for the overspending and inability of the government to budget properly. Australians want permanent full-time jobs and security.
    Misty
    21st May 2019
    8:04pm
    And who has been running the country for the last 5 and a half years Priscilla, are you accusing the Coalition of being unable to budget properly and overspending?
    Knows-a-lot
    20th May 2019
    5:12pm
    hank God Bob Hawke did not live to see this. How could you, Australia? How could you be stupid enough to give us another 3 years of inept, bungling, incompetent government and economic mismanagement at the hands of the LNP (Lying Nasty Parties), who won only because the electorate was dumb enough to swallow their mendacity and scare-mongering? As usual, the least educated states - i.e. the redneck inbred hillbilly unintelligentsia of Queensland and Tasmania - bear the greatest responsibility for this debacle. That fat f*ck Clive Palmer and that red-headed clown Pauline Hanson have a lot to answer for in their attacks on Labor, who would have turned things around. This is just so depressing. God help Australia.
    PS: The only bright spot is that that jug-eared moron Tony Abbott has been booted out of parliament at last.
    arbee
    20th May 2019
    5:17pm
    Ha, HA loser, grin and bear it, you are in the wilderness for another three years, and for someone as foul mouthed as you are, that will be a good thing.
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    5:24pm
    Wow
    If the average labor voter was like Knows a lot , no wonder labor lost
    Not Amused
    20th May 2019
    5:36pm
    The Knows-a-lot language tells all we need to know about the Labor/Getup/Greens outfit. Venezuela used to be a nice little country until creeping socialism did to them what Shortens union thugs and the traditional Labor crazies tried to do to us.
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    5:43pm
    Thanks for the clarification Not Amused
    It’s been my experience too that labor/greens supporters resort to thuggish behaviour to get their own way if they can’t do it by intellectual discourse
    History shows that socialist countries all destroy their countries’ democratic systems to retain power
    including use of brute force,imprisonment and murder
    The behaviour of getup ,unions and also labor supporters on this site is a good example
    Couldabeen
    20th May 2019
    7:47pm
    Knows-a-lot, it is of a worry that you have responded in this manner. Have you checked your medication recently? Your language needs moderating as you are being very rude and insulting to over half the population of Australia. With no sound basis for your bile.
    You may not be happy with the choice that the voters of this country have made, but on balance it is definitely the lesser of the two evils if the Coalition are as bad as you believe.
    History shows us that the end result from Labor ever being in power is never pretty and the negatives always outnumber the positives, where as the opposite is the general case from a period of Coalition governance.
    Be grateful that the Coalition know a lot more about business and economics than Labor ever do. A strong economy builds a healthy and equal society for those prepared to work for it.
    Digby
    20th May 2019
    8:54pm
    Jealous and bitter much knows a lot????
    Everything you have said about the LNP is what the majority think about the ALP, and the election result shows that. but I understand, I would have been talking about the evil, shifty, incompetent , lying. mendacious ALP who are hell bent or ruining Australia, and the people dumb enough to vote for them, if the dullard Shorten and his slimy front bench had won.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    9:17pm
    Is that the Bob Hawke who let thousand and thousands of Chinese in a started the rot?
    roy
    20th May 2019
    9:19pm
    knows a lot, another bad ALP loser.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    9:36pm
    kudos to Knows-a-lot on using the word "mendacity"
    heemskerk2019
    21st May 2019
    8:24pm
    knows a lot, knows nothing, has not improved from one or two years ago, keeps hanging on the slips of the a.l.p, I call him dumb and dumber, typical a.l.p supporter, most likely unemployed and expecting to be fed by those who are working for a living.
    arbee
    20th May 2019
    5:13pm
    JACKIE, time to shut up and back down. Most other left wing supporters on here are at least being gracious and seeing where their campaign went wrong, rather than blaming the media and everyone else (including blind Freddy) for their misfortunes.
    Time to go away and lick your wounds and at least try to earn a little respect, because your comments do more harm than good to your party.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    9:16pm
    hear hear, early night jackie.
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    9:45pm
    arbee, Jackie may well be feeling down however I observe many right wing supporters on here are posting comments that are far from gracious and not showing anything like humble in victory, and perhaps even acknowledge the result was a surprise. The tone and language leaves much to be desired.
    Denis & Narelle
    20th May 2019
    5:47pm
    After reading more Labor whinging on this website (Coalition won because of One Nation & Clive Palmer, because they run a scare campaign, Morrison lied, etc) I am offering my final words to the ALP supporters on this website like Kaye the editor, Misty, Jackie, Sundays & Batara to name a few:
    LOSERS, LOSERS, LOSERS
    The Coalition won because they were against Bowen's UNFAIR retiree policies (he said if you don't like them, vote for someone else so we did) & their climate change scare campaign. Its a nonsense to say they won because of Palmer & One Nation when the Greens preferences to Labor were 3 times as large as each of the other two. And to say the media was against Labor is nothing short of idiotic - Fairfax & the ABC pushed the Labor cause unrelentingly (journalists like Michael Koziel & David Crowe of Fairfax & Tony Jones & Q & A on the ABC). It is not worth spending more time on commenting on that type of view as it is so biased. And to criticise the Coalition for running a “scare campaign” after Labor’s “mediscare” campaign in the last election is just a joke.
    To subscribers like Old Geezer, Adrianus, Dave R, Inextratime, Mike & Digby, the appropriate words are:
    CONGRATULATIONS, CONGRATULATIONS, CONGRATULATIONS.
    And I am certainly not politically aligned - I haven't lodged a formal vote in the past 30 years but I did on this occasion because of the totally UNFAIR & UNJUST Labor policies. I took the time to educate myself on the Labor taxation policies by reading well respected & knowledgable financial persons, both in the educational & practical fields of finance, rather than just sprouting emotive nonsense.
    Sundays
    20th May 2019
    6:53pm
    I’m shocked that you haven’t lodged a formal vote for 30 years when people all around the world have died for the right. What do they say ‘in an race, always back self interest’. However, now you’ve voted because of issues important to you, I hope you exercise your democratic right and continue to do so.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    5:48pm
    Where is MICK today? He must have stopped sobbing by now, Shifty Shorten has.
    TREBOR
    20th May 2019
    6:54pm
    I'm holding the fort while he's gone - and doing an exemplary job of it... as usual ...
    JAID
    20th May 2019
    8:49pm
    Of course you are Trebor. Still, Mick is missed.
    JAID
    20th May 2019
    8:49pm
    Of course you are Trebor. Still, Mick is missed.

    20th May 2019
    6:03pm
    Shorten is planning to block Albernese’s nomination as la or leader
    Looks like Shorten and the unions are still in charge
    TREBOR
    20th May 2019
    6:53pm
    The worst thing the Unions can do to themselves is to remain addicted to sidewalk cafe uni quadrangle schoolyard Labor.... but, of course, any 'rogue' union simply gets disendorsed... by either Labor or LNP....

    Adolph would be proud of them all.... read 'The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich' on labour relations ... it's an eye opener for the keen observer of the current disaster titled 'Australia'... been that way for years.....

    Unfortunately St Bob of The Hawke started the rot with his 'government of national reconcilation' - where labour, management, business and government would sit down around a round table for a change... thing is - the table soon turned tear drop shaped to favour business in league with government - and then Howard made that end of the table even bigger... I prefer to think that St Bob opened that door in good faith - but like mnost international socialists - he either knew not what he did or hew knew full well in the expectation that power in society would thus flow from people to government in league with business...

    See again 'Rise and Fall of The Third Reich'... and check up on Stalinism and control of the 'workers' as defined by the 'Party'...

    It all sounds so good...... it's for your own good.... and the good of the nation... but ends up for the good of the few who grab the reins....

    Funny ting - elsewhere I'm often labeled a 'conservative', and sometimes a loonie leftie - I'm far more radical than any of those poor souls... hardly conservative in any way...
    Farside
    20th May 2019
    9:51pm
    Maureen says "Shorten is planning to block Albanese’s nomination" ... uncorroborated opinion or do you actually know this to be the case?
    TREBOR
    20th May 2019
    6:26pm
    Not worried about the polls - I've been saying forever now that Labor's basic policy platform is all wrong and out of whack with the ROA (Rest Of Australia). Their addiction to everything feminist, quotas, minority whiners, and some sort of international sibling hood of people, virtually uncontrolled immigration to boost and promote a dead-end economy which is in tachycardia right now, as well as their shared addiction, along with the LNP et, to the mythical 'global economy' that is supposed to save us all while eating us alive and fattening billionaires - are what is wrong with this nation, and with Labor and all the other parties at this time.

    This nation desperately needs a new party that will work for its people first and which has the guts and the balls to do the things that need to be done.
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    6:30pm
    Yes Trebor
    Their franking credits and negative gearing policy was an abomination
    Re your last paragraph - we don’t need a new party because Scomo will be our greatest PM
    Mark my words
    TREBOR
    20th May 2019
    6:33pm
    I forgot to include their pussy-whipped 'leader'... an adventurer who will sell his soul for a few vot3es from any screeching minority with some mythical grievance for being what they are, and with the balls of gnat to stand up to his feminist stacked branches...

    If it were not for whale season and a few jobs I'm looking at right now - I'd join the Labor Party to try to save it from itself... but it's just no good fighting a battle against an entrenched foe impossible to dislodge - as the Labor adherents now are with their selfish and personal agendas.

    I was aghast to see Sam Dastyari pontificating on the woes of Labor last night - Sam - YOU, as an ethnic 'Inclusion', are part of the problem - you have simply no idea, but ghet your spot under the delusion that handing out sweet rides to a few of specified groups will attain 'equality' some day in eternity...
    TREBOR
    20th May 2019
    6:35pm
    Slomo? Waving his jumper around like a yob at the Cronulla game pre-match yesterday?

    What a fine image for a 'prime minister' - acting like a kid - he was the ONLY person in the crowd doing that kind of manic stupidity..... shoes the true depth of the man.... treading on him would be like walking on water...
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    6:39pm
    Ok sorry
    You sound like a very bitter man who didn’t want the LNP to win
    Not sure what your motivations are but you’re obviously disheartened by your beloved labor party
    Good luck to you
    The rest of Australia will rejoice and enjoy the fruits of the LNP’s victory and sound economic management for years to come
    TREBOR
    20th May 2019
    6:44pm
    Ah - so factual is now 'bitter'? I wanted NONE of them to win and wanted a hung Parliament which would struggle until the people have had enough of its shenanigans, and chose to oust it.

    The vehicle burning has already started - due to the lack of reality and contact with the needs of the ordinary folk by our politicians...

    As usual - I am an honest broker - I prefer no 'side', and seek only the best solution. the LNP have proven they are not it, and Labor has nothing to offer that is real. the minors I leave out.
    TREBOR
    20th May 2019
    6:46pm
    'sound economic management' = borrowing so much to just keep up that the roof keeps climbing higher and higher.... meanwhile 'sound economic management' means that profits from the banana republic trades in ore and coal etc are simply heading offshore by the shipload, while there is ZERO solid infrastructure going into THIS nation to develop a solid future for its people first and foremost.

    I do enjoy whale watching....
    Anonymous
    20th May 2019
    6:51pm
    Lay off the grog boy
    You’re talking nonsense

    I’m a good judge of intelligent both emotional and pure brainpower . You are a lightweight so leave you to your delusions
    roy
    20th May 2019
    7:00pm
    trebor is such a sad man and a poor loser, ah well, sighs.
    JAID
    20th May 2019
    9:21pm
    It is not quite what Trebor suggests Roy but it seems to me that there is a solid future in value adding and an awful lot that could be added to. We all know there are lots of things to be dug up and flogged off. Finding these will happen eventually so that alone is not worth we its owners supporting profits in that area. Digging it up and managing it is worth a profit.

    While Mr. Palmer comfortably excluded coal he is right in that it shouldn't make a lot of sense sending vast tonnes of ore off-shore when we could send much higher value, much small quantities of product from it. Since the raw material 'finders' do not wish to spend their profits on development of a comprehensive system for value adding to our and the future's raw material appropriate structuring of these areas is lacking.

    Where once we lived on the sheep's back the notion that mineral extraction gives us free money has seen us grab that ride eagerly. It is more out of the way than sheep. It's less intensive. It is more exhaustible. For a country not to manage its raw materials for its long-term well-being is just non-sensical to me. We should see that the buckets of funds it makes available has enabled wishy washy and lavish spending that is not sustainable.

    That sounds a bit sad too but there is plenty to be optimistic about.
    GeorgeM
    20th May 2019
    9:25pm
    Your are quite right, Trebor, and don't worry there are many here who will agree with you.

    Voters did a good job to shunt out a crazy Labor party (especially with their un-costed Climate Change action policies which would have destroyed the economy for Zero benefit, radical gender agenda policies which would have destroyed the society as we know it, and stupidly designed new taxes NOT hitting the rich), however,
    Voters also stupidly voted in the other part of the Tag Team, viz the Liberals, who destroyed the Retirement incomes of 420,000 part-pensioners since 2017 and had no polices except to hand out big tax cuts for the rich, including all politicians, and keep all the big tax loopholes.

    YES, we badly needed a hung parliament with lots of negotiations for new directions.......maybe next time??? People voted mindlessly again (although they correctly rejected this crazy Labor version), they deserve what they get, as MICK noted - roy, fyi.
    roy
    20th May 2019
    6:57pm
    Where's MICK.
    heemskerk2019
    20th May 2019
    9:15pm
    where is micky boy? well he is waiting in Canberra to greet billy boy as the new prime minister of Australia, forgot the silent majority are to clever for anything the labor party tries to put over them.
    greenie
    20th May 2019
    10:28pm
    Why would I be 'shocked'? People are not stupid!
    old frt
    21st May 2019
    10:25am
    Wstaton, how many nuclear plants did the UK use to replace the coal power ? Renewables would be lucky to supply 10% consistent power. Don't let the facts get in way of BS. Wind turbine mechanicals have to be rebuilt every few years depending on the environment and weather conditions ( not BS climate change ) the service life of a turbine is pathetic. Renewable energy is best compared to the difference between having a fart or having a No.2 , you can smell a fart but you can't see it, all it does is make you feel good inside ,but you can see the results from a No.2.
    Farside
    21st May 2019
    6:19pm
    WInd and biomass provide the same amount of UK energy as nuclear. Solar, hydro and oil provide a further 6%. Further UK nuclear is in disarray with Hitachi and Toshiba scrapping projects and EDF struggling with the sole construction project.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-11/u-k-s-nuclear-future-fades-as-hitachi-exit-follows-toshiba
    travelman
    21st May 2019
    11:11am
    I believe what Leon says but it is more than that. It is hard to have accuracy through social media not everyone uses it and multiple addresses of one person can wrongly duplicate a poll thus increasing the numbers. If we are to have accuracy we have to have a simpler way for people to poll; it might be by some form of I.D or postal poll, who knows, but food for thought


    However the poll failed not just by the difficulty of obtaining an accurate poll, there were other factors unique to this election. It was, to me the worse election we have had because it crossed the 'lines conduct' of democracy. Democracy calls that all involved have equal involvement but others with those with money or power chose to abuse that equality by lies, vitriol and that saturating through the advertising media across television, placards and other forms such as the internet. And I am sure the untimely death of Bob Hawke did not help Bill Shorten for it left him between a 'rock' and a 'hard place' to honour his friend or to continue to reach the electorates; in essence 'damned if he did and damned if he didn't'. That is not to say that his policies could have been better presented yet as an honest man he was not afraid to tell the truth and that on two policies was like shooting himself in the foot. I do believe that Scott Morrison will need, in a time not far of, to take a serious look at our democratic system, to tighten or change the rules so that TRUE democracy will be in place for ALL in the next election. This will put an end to those political vandals such as Clive Palmer.
    LUVCO2
    21st May 2019
    12:39pm
    Dave R wrote "Labor bled first preferences to Hanson and Palmer"
    UNFAIR! Can only have Labor accumulating preference from the Greens ... it's only fair!

    By the way ... without preferential voting, i.e. first past the post, the coalition would have ended up with 89 seats instead of only 78!
    Reagan
    21st May 2019
    12:58pm
    What’s the point in blaming the polls? If voters rely on what the polls say, they deserve what they get. Nope, you have to do the sums yourself, read between the lines and think for yourself. Even I nearly got sucked in, but thanks to a “miracle”, I changed my mind at the last minute so to speak.

    Truth is, Labor failed to convince enough voters that its policies could actually improve their day to day living conditions. They had a vague idea that state governments can provide things like schools, hospitals and solar panels, but failed to do the sums themselves. You have to keep it simple for voters and that’s what Scomo did, Labor made everything sound complex and scared people off.
    Adrianus
    21st May 2019
    2:01pm
    I see, so you were sucked in all the way, until the last minute. That's when you realised that Bill Shorten couldn't make the transition from union boss to PM.
    That's when you realised that the child care workers were not going to get wage rises from a PM, your new electric car was not a present from the PM, the PM would not correct the shift in the earth's axis or stop the seas from rising on Fiji.
    Its a long way to the booth when the queues are so long. Obviously a sobering journey.
    I do believe it was a miracle that you had. There can be no other explanation.
    Anonymous
    21st May 2019
    2:05pm
    Hahaha - that’s so funny Adrianus
    An epiphany is what Reagan and a majority of Aussies has on Election Day
    Explains how the polls were wrong
    Reagan
    21st May 2019
    2:51pm
    Two questions.

    1. have you got a fever Adrianus?
    2. did you and Maureen get married over the weekend? You follow each other around a lot, LOL
    Adrianus
    21st May 2019
    2:57pm
    Not being religious myself I can still understand the type of vision experienced by Reagan.
    Was it Mother Mary who came to you dear child Reagan?

    And when the broken hearted people living in the world agree
    There will be an answer, let it be
    For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see
    There will be an answer, let it be
    Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
    There will be an answer, let it be
    Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
    Whisper words of wisdom, let it be


    Talking about being parted.. Why so many people wanting to move to New Zealand?
    I mean this is really good. Apparently around 850,000 have made application to move over the tasman? Hey, isn't that about the same number of unemployed?
    Misty
    22nd May 2019
    9:23am
    Seeing as the polls got it so wrong, makes you wonder if all that changing leaders in the Coalition was really neccessary after all, as it seems the bad polling was the main reason they had to go.
    simo60
    21st May 2019
    4:15pm
    Love being a queenslander . Good bye to labour here please.
    heemskerk2019
    21st May 2019
    9:30pm
    Simo, may I be thankful and follow your path, victoria it is time to WAKE UP and give your fellow workers a go without the socialist leeches living on your back, why should I have to pay for their kids because their parents rather spend their money on in care or going to the pub, dining maccas, pokies, I worked hard and with the assistance and love of my wife our kids were looked after by her, yes we had to live on the one wage, I be honest, I worked several jobs, however I never asked for assistance of the government, my sons are in good jobs, they never ask me for money, they are happy to live the same live I and my Love have lived and are appreciaiting, we saved money and bought shares as was advised by the government of the day, keating, not expecting to be railroded by another labor party faction under billy shorten, who never had or was accepted by the Australian Public, as for the high end of town, billy you showed your true colours, to even think you was in the class off Hawk, sorry man, go home and accept the pension you will receive with will better than most hard working Australians will ever expecting for their lifetime of hard jakka
    Olbiddy
    22nd May 2019
    12:09am
    Jackie, your surname wouldn't be Trad, by any chance, would it??
    Olbiddy
    22nd May 2019
    12:09am
    Jackie, your surname wouldn't be Trad, by any chance, would it??
    JAID
    22nd May 2019
    9:19am
    Polls respond to party and media interests, otherwise, meek, useless general inquisitiveness.

    Vote to your own specification not that of the mob.

    (I must have had 30 calls never responding.)
    JAID
    22nd May 2019
    9:19am
    Polls respond to party and media interests, otherwise, meek, useless general inquisitiveness.

    Vote to your own specification not that of the mob.

    (I must have had 30 calls never responding.)
    Misty
    22nd May 2019
    9:29am
    Well JAID they certainly influenced the Liberal Party didn't they, they changed leaders twice and the reason given was bad results in the polls, makes you wonder if Tony Abbott and Malcolm Turnbull could still be PM if the polls results were ignored.
    Adrianus
    22nd May 2019
    2:36pm
    Misty you're not making sense? Are you suggesting that Labor/Greens should not get rid of Shorten because of his poor polling in the election?
    Adrianus
    22nd May 2019
    2:36pm
    Misty you're not making sense? Are you suggesting that Labor/Greens should not get rid of Shorten because of his poor polling in the election?
    JAID
    22nd May 2019
    5:38pm
    That's the poll that matters Adrianus.
    I did suggest they " respond to party...interests" Misty
    JAID
    22nd May 2019
    5:38pm
    That's the poll that matters Adrianus.
    I did suggest they " respond to party...interests" Misty
    Misty
    22nd May 2019
    9:15pm
    Adrianus Labor did not win this election , the Coalition did regardless of poor party polling.
    Misty
    22nd May 2019
    9:18pm
    Also Adrianus the Greens have nothing to do with who Labor chooses as their leader, just as the National Party has no say in who the Liberals pick as leader and Vice Versa.
    Adrianus
    23rd May 2019
    9:37am
    We see the true story about Labor/Greens disunity now. Only true believers accepted the image of Gillard happily sitting beside Rudd at the Labor launch.
    There is some nasty infighting going on over who should or shouldn't lead the party.
    Its the chaos that we all expected to unfold after the election. Thank God Australians were smart enough to see through the Labor propaganda. Next minute Kristina Keneally is the authoritative voice on how they lost and how they proceed? Gosh!? What on earth is going on with Labor??!!
    Adrianus
    23rd May 2019
    9:40am
    JAID, I also had about 30 calls but refused to pick up. Although I did answer a robo call from Alex Turnbull(GetUp). A very immature attack on the LNP and Scott Morrison.
    Anonymous
    23rd May 2019
    9:45am
    Why is Alex Turnbull working for Shorten
    Adrianus
    23rd May 2019
    2:52pm
    Because he feels aggrieved that his dad got the sack. He's really going over the top?
    Adrianus
    23rd May 2019
    2:52pm
    Because he feels aggrieved that his dad got the sack. He's really going over the top?
    Olbiddy
    27th May 2019
    11:01am
    Hooray for the quiet Australians!
    Many felt intimidated by the hysterical rantings of the left so kept their heads down, told the many robos what they wanted to hear, then voted as they saw fit. I believe they got it right!
    Misty
    27th May 2019
    1:13pm
    Time will tell Olbiddy.


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