Around 710,000 Aussies going without food: report

Charities struggling to feed Australians who can’t afford meals: Foodbank

Queue of people going hungry grows

The perception that our nation is the Lucky Country does not resonate with the more than four million Aussies who have gone hungry in the past year, a report by Foodbank Australia suggests.

Based on two surveys – one which quizzed charities and another aimed at individuals seeking food – the report revealed that the number of people desperate for a meal was growing each year.

The most common reason (30 per cent) cited for not being able to afford food was because the individual was on a pension or low income.

Of those seeking help with food, 14 per cent of them were older than 65 years.

Hunger was also more prevalent in regional and rural areas than in the cities, said Foodbank, which distributes food through 2600 charities around Australia.

The not-for-profit organisation, which partners with grocers and food producers, said in the past 12 months, 18 per cent of the population at some point ran out of food and were unable to buy more.

“Of these, more than three in four are categorised as having very low food security,” the report said.

“The charities and community groups that work with Foodbank provide food relief to over 710,000 Australians every month. Despite this, these organisations are struggling to keep up with demand with 49 per cent of them reporting that the number of people seeking food relief continues to increase year on year.

“In the past 12 months, the proportion of food-insecure Australians seeking food relief has increased from 46 per cent to 51 per cent, the equivalent of 384,000 people.”

Foodbank said some welfare groups were so low on supplies that seven per cent of individuals looking for food were turned away each month and just over a third of charities felt they were meeting the full needs of those seeking a meal. Other findings of the report include:

  • almost half of those who went hungry cited not being able to afford food because of bills, such as rent, that needed to be paid
  • almost two in three Australians in regional and remote areas (65 per cent) feel stressed as a result of not having enough food, compared to just over half (54 per cent) of those living in major and capital cities
  • 26 per cent of individuals feeling food insecurity have gone an entire day without eating
  • 54 per cent have skipped one meal and 56 per cent have reduced the size of their meal.

In one case study, a man aged between 55 and 64 years told Foodbank that he felt “worthless” about not having enough food.

“(It) was exacerbated when I scavenged food from the rubbish bin at a local fast food place. It enabled me to eat, but I was abused by passers-by,” the Adelaide man said.

The report comes as the organisation sends a call out to Australians to consider donating food for the Christmas period.

“Everyone in Australia should have enough safe and nutritious food to thrive,” Foodbank  said. “A country with zero hunger can positively impact our economy, health, education, equality and social development.

“Achieving zero hunger is fundamental to building a better future for everyone.”

Do you know of anyone who has gone hungry lately? What should the Government do to ensure no Australian ever goes hungry?

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    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    10:13am
    Australia is going the way of America where you have opulent wealth at the top who pay little tax and people without work at the bottom being demonised as bludgers and leeches.
    The facts are black and white:

    1. there are not jobs form many Australians.
    2. the tax burden is being pushed onto low and average income earners.
    3. the top end is being handed tax cuts hand over fist with the very top having taken their wealth to offshore tax shelters to escape all tax.

    We are living in a perverse system where right wing governments like the current one are coming after all but the well to do and upwardly mobile. That's why we have the ballot box. Of course we'll get the usual voices of the government spruiking their lies but the facts are clear. Hunger is the end result.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    10:17am
    Yes we have a ballot box but who goes into parliament has been determined well before the ballot papers are even printed. We do not live in a democracy at all.
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    11:10am
    Yes indeed OG which is why those placed in safe seats often go on to sell our assets or sign deals, benefitting their banks or next employer and then resign. There should be rules forbidding this type of treasonous activity in my opinion.
    MICK
    16th Oct 2018
    11:19am
    Good post OG. Correct. Did I say that............
    GeorgeM
    16th Oct 2018
    12:46pm
    All good points above, even OG! Did I say that...
    Labor is not any better, otherwise they would have ensured the rich and large companies paid reasonable taxes by say implementing Minimum Taxes based on Gross Income without deductions especially overseas expenses.

    Rae, that's why a) we need a Federal ICAC, and b) we retirees need to agree, join in and throw out every sitting member by putting them last in preferences - till they start working for us!
    johnp
    16th Oct 2018
    1:50pm
    agree with Mick and esp. George. Could there be any joy say with Seniors United Party ??
    http://www.supa.org.au/
    TREBOR
    16th Oct 2018
    4:47pm
    OG has come over to the Bright Side for a while... you're a lot like my older brother, OG - you can justify the most heinous things on others who are oft times doing it hard while at the same time having a heart in the right place....

    That's why you need stronger heads to guide you...as do a lot of other people especially some in politics...

    New party required NOW!

    Let's put our heads together on this one... for once.
    GeorgeM
    18th Oct 2018
    9:04pm
    jonhp - SUPA looks reasonable, although I note that they haven't updated their comments about the revised Assets test after it happened - not sure why? Also, no bold suggestions such as for Universal Pension to bring all retirees together. Can't recall if they were even on the list of parties in the last election ballot papers at least where we are- maybe only in the Senate?

    The chances of such a focused group winning are a bit limited for the Lower House, although I would support such a group at least in the Senate. Hence, we retirees need to at least vote OUT all existing seat-warming politicians in the Lower House using our collective voting power (by putting them last in preferences)- that way we at least establish ourselves as a strong voting group to be listened to on policies.

    Yes, TREBOR, a new party is needed - can't see how that can happen until we all first revolt by voting OUT as many existing MPs as possible by concerted, joint action by all retirees.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    10:16am
    With such a high obesity rate in Australia today many Australians should be skipping a few meals every week.
    tisme
    16th Oct 2018
    10:34am
    have u considered that at least part of the obesity rate is people eating what they can afford rather than what is good for them?? burger n chips fills the stomach cheaper than buying /cooking fresh food
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    10:42am
    Fresh food is way cheaper than a burger and chips from a takeaway. It is also cheaper to cook your own burger and chips at home. We have such lovely burgers for family lunches.
    jackie
    16th Oct 2018
    11:00am
    Old Geezer....What if these people going hungry can't afford cooking utensils and a stove to cook on? Many of them may be obese because of medication side effects not just empty calorie foods.

    Poverty is not so simple. Enjoy your lobster dinners.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    11:03am
    Jackie I hate lobsters.

    I kitted out my caravan with cooking utensils for a song at the local op shop so why can't these people do the same?

    If they can afford medication then they can afford food. We have a shop in my nearest town that gives away as much food as people can eat.

    There is no excuse other than the can't be bothered one.
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    11:15am
    There is a lot of free food available to those willing to access it. I'm pretty sure a lot of cafe owners would supply a feed for some washing up or similar too. Nobody likes to see a truly hungry person. We have soup kitchens here that feed a growing group of homeless mostly through alcohol and drug issues or gambling weakness.

    These people do need to be looked after but that also impinges their freedoms. It's a very hard issue.
    Karl Marx
    16th Oct 2018
    11:31am
    Jackie, Tisme,
    OG is just a very sorry excuse for a human being. No sympathy, no empathy unless it more money for the rich.
    He's now attacking people with weight issues without knowing the facts.
    Australia should hang it's head in same the way it treats those that don't have the resources to even have a proper meal.
    OG you are just a pathetic excuse for human being. People like you never change, always bragging how good you have it then putting anyone down that doesn't come up to your standards. You pathetic little man.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    11:39am
    Well Bill's Bonkers that name certainly suits you to a tee. People don't get fat living on air alone but by eating too much. I know I have a weight problem myself if I don't eat enough I lose weight.

    There is no excuse for not eating well. Restaurants cater for what people want not what they should eat. If people changed their eating habits restaurants would soon change their menus. Same with fast food.

    Yes I have very good in that I look after myself and eat the foods that my body needs which is why I am so healthy even after having treatment for cancer twice and beating both cancers.
    Triss
    16th Oct 2018
    1:26pm
    It's very easy to blithely say 'cheaper to buy and cook your own fresh food' but if they're homeless, living in a doorway or their car, they can't cook their own food.
    How many of the writers here have stopped and thought how easy it is to become homeless.
    jackie
    16th Oct 2018
    1:34pm
    Billy's bonkers...OG isn't aware that many medical conditions and genetic predispositions can cause obesity. It's not all caused by gorging on junk food and being inactive.

    Some poverty stricken people are too proud and embarrassed to go to a charity. They would sooner starve than take food that is close to go off.

    Then there are people that are extremely well off and would eat their own shit to save a dollar. I have a feeling OG may be inclined that way.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    3:12pm
    Give me a frying pan and I can cook just about anything in it even over a wood fire.

    Obesity is caused by too much food as there is no other way one can put on weight! Peoples genetics etc and sitting on the couch all day will cause weight gain faster than someone that is more active. People don't get fat without eating.

    No I don't eat shit but dried cow shit does make a great cooking fire.

    By the way I am not well off at all.
    TREBOR
    16th Oct 2018
    4:49pm
    I've got my gardens and the beans and carrots and spinach and potatoes and bananas and lemons and limes are looking good this year...

    Still putting on weight though - too many old injuries catching up on me and increasingly restricting movement... an incipient Jabba the Hutt...
    TREBOR
    16th Oct 2018
    4:53pm
    I've been homeless, BTW - at 50-odd and after a life of dedication, loyalty, hard work and unstinting service.... all of which mean nothing today.... and I was injured and developing health problems too at the time... and that after owning two homes and earnings $100k+ in 1992....

    It can happen to anyone.... and these days even more so given the greed is good and the sanctity of the bosses and the shareholders and such... all aided and abetted by politicians in their pay.... disgusting.

    Poor Fellow, My Country.... take back the asylum...
    marls
    16th Oct 2018
    6:00pm
    OG your have no idea yes some peope are over weight because they eat to much, i have 3 friends that are overweight not because of food but they require steriod medication to survive, it puts on a lot of weight have some compassion and empathy for people just this morning my girlfriend was on the phone in tears because of her weight ballooning due to presidone - steriods medication
    marls
    16th Oct 2018
    6:03pm
    jackie totally agree with you, i wish karma would pay him a visit
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    9:08pm
    I know all about steroids and weight gain too. It is still about eating more than your body needs so steroids are not the cause.
    jackie
    17th Oct 2018
    10:13am
    Old Geezer...not eating enough food puts your body in starvation mode and makes you get fat too.
    Old Geezer
    17th Oct 2018
    10:53am
    Never happens with me Jackie as I just lose weight fast when I don't eat.

    If I need to lose a bit of weight I go on a cruise as the food is so terrible.
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    11:07am
    I only eat a couple of meals a day and fast about one day a month now but it used to be once a week.
    After my husband died I regularly went without so the kids could eat until I'd secured extra income through a second job and then a business. I also sold vintage clothes at the markets for cash.
    I'm pretty healthy and my weight is great for my aged as are my bones , eyesight etc.

    I've often thought it a pity we don't have some hostel type set ups with a couple to run them that supplies motel type accommodation and shared dining and recreation areas.
    These people unable to cope with the cost of living could be cared for and their spending monitored.
    I'm astonished at the proportion of gambling going on in low socio-economic areas. Even the lotto/lottery spend each fortnight would make up the food deficit.
    It's the reason the welfare card was issued. The undisciplined do nobody a favour unfortunately by refusing to accept they only have a fixed income and living within their means.

    Neo-liberalism is not great for the bottom 60% and the charities do their best. It will need sorting but even in Scandinavia they have issues with those who need caring for as they just can't care for themselves.

    It should be better sorted than it is but then the do goodie brigade would be on about liberty and such and making sure people continued to pay the price for a failing economic system.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    11:15am
    Bad choices is the main reason for people going without food and why all those on welfare should be given the welfare card instead of money in their bank accounts. If you re doing the right thing then you have nothing to worry about.
    Cowboy Jim
    16th Oct 2018
    11:41am
    Agree with Old Geezer about the Welfare Card - lots of people have money for anything but food. $30 will buy a lot of vegetables, a cooked chook here is $9 every day and there are butchers where $40 will give you a lot of healthy meat options and not just sausages or mince. Might not get fillet steaks. Aldi has pork fillets for $15 a kg presently. I see so called homeless people entering the pubs through the gaming entrance to have money for the pokies. Same people who tell everyone that the pension is not enough.
    These figures are just unbelievable and as OG says, it is Bad Choices. Never seen a better welfare system anywhere else in the world.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    12:03pm
    Your are right it is bad choices. A friend of mine works for a charity that gives out loans and food vouchers to people on welfare. They tell me that a lot of people have no idea what benefits they get they just spend what ever gets put in their banks account on whatever they fancy on that day until there is nothing left.
    Karl Marx
    16th Oct 2018
    1:23pm
    Welfare card is just another control from Big Brother. If you want it ok, if not ok.
    Will the welfare card only apply to those living in Australia. If you are an Expat you need cash in most counties as a welfare card is useless
    Summed up, don't tell me how to spend or what to purchase with my entitlements from the government.
    A welfare card will only create a blackmarket which will further disadvantage those that really need support & guidance not control
    Cowboy Jim
    16th Oct 2018
    1:35pm
    Have been over in WA for 2 weeks, one does see the usual indigenous people living in parks which one would expect (life style) but not at all that many of other assorted which I see here every day. I wonder whether the lack of poker machines in West Australia has something to do with that. Booze is more expensive as well and in quite a few places they want to see my driver's licence and scan it. The reasons for that escapes me, for I am certainly not under-age being past 70.
    jackie
    16th Oct 2018
    1:41pm
    Cowboy Jim...Those people you talk about have mental illnesses. Years ago they were institutionalised because they could not care for themselves. Now they have to care for themselves despite being incapable.
    Triss
    16th Oct 2018
    1:52pm
    I totally agree with you, Billy's Bonkers, there are a few control freaks here, I'm only surprised that they want a welfare card and not a micro chip under the skin of everyone they think is inferior to them. A bit like Himmler.
    The downside of a welfare card is that it doesn't teach money management which is essentially a need for some folk. Instead of the wealthy politicians demeaning the poor it would be better if they used logic and put people in Centrelink to help recipients to manage their money, give them self confidence rather than demean them.
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    3:11pm
    Cowboy my son in law did some work a while back for a very large RSL club in a very poor socio economic area that takes over $500 000 in profits from gaming every single day.

    It's outrageous really. I feel for the children going hungry because of ill disciplined parents.

    How do you support and guide people with absolutely no self control and prevent them from harming themselves and others.
    TREBOR
    16th Oct 2018
    4:55pm
    No welfare card unless for extreme reasons.... and those with severe mental illnesses are handled by the public trustee or whatever these days - for a fee.

    That in itself is disgraceful... taking a fee from those most disadvantaged for handling their money for them.... I'm certain a charity would to it for free...
    Triss
    16th Oct 2018
    6:08pm
    I don't trust the Public Trustee, Trebor.

    "$1.1 million was stolen in five years from ACT Public Trustee clients by one public servant."
    "A woman who stole from deceased estates while she worked at the Public Trustee office in Adelaide
    has been jailed over the theft of cars, cash and jewellery."
    https://queenslandpublictrusteeexposed.wordpress.com/

    And the list goes on.
    Jim
    16th Oct 2018
    12:03pm
    So you expect the usual Labor comments from you know who, the man who a couple of years ago was encouraging everyone to vote independent, but from his constant left wing posts we all know the lie, you know the man who retired in his 50’s because he was sick of working for slave wages for the men at the top, strangely though he earned enough in this slave wages to make him ineligible for the pension, I wish I had been as unfortunate as this guy! But back to the story the majority of people that need to use food banks have ended up in that situation for a variety of reasons, some of those reasons would have been beyond their control, eg family break ups, death in families and there might be some argument that uncontrolled immigration and refugee intake might have had some impact, this shortage of food for some people has been around for years and has occurred across all political persuasions, these things don’t happen overnight. I know that it is probably a minority of cases, but I was having a discussion some 20 years ago with a chap who was telling my about this great place he used to go to every week that gave away boxes of fruit and veggies and a coupon for the local butcher for some meat, I explained that these places were for people that were destitute, he was still using this service 12 months later, I have mentioned before I was a volunteer for about 5 years after I retired, many of the disadvantaged I worked with were in this or similar positions because of circumstances in the home, these usually consisted of gambling and drinking, so you see it’s not always the governments fault, but it’s easy if you have a biased point of view to blame the government of the day.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    12:13pm
    Jim you are certainly not referring to me as I didn't retire in my 50s at all. I did however make most of my money after I retired for being a slave and now wish I had done it much earlier.
    Jim
    16th Oct 2018
    12:56pm
    No I am not referring to you, I am referring to the guy that has an obsession with criticising the current government, no matter what the topic it’s the governments fault, others have called him red Mick. I have absolutely no problem with anyone making money, I do however have a sneaky suspicion that the guy who pretends to be independent but consistently quotes from Bills little red book might have a closer affiliation to the left side of politics than any independent.
    roy
    16th Oct 2018
    2:31pm
    Are you talking about the troll on steroids, AKA MICK?
    roy
    16th Oct 2018
    2:49pm
    MICK even managed to politicise the comment a couple of days ago about liquid nails in Bunnings, sheesh. He has a screw loose for sure.
    Jim
    16th Oct 2018
    3:08pm
    Yep got it in one.
    TREBOR
    16th Oct 2018
    5:01pm
    For those in need of keeping up, the accused some weeks ago stated that since the only real choice was between the current accelerating train wreck (in many ways other than the obvious) and the tame Labrador of the feminists and minorities these days - he would rather advocate Labrador.

    So if he is advocating Labrador policies, it is for the simple reason that the alternative is monstrous - I would say, members of the judges , jury and executioners - that his preference remains with independents... but since that is not going to happen, he is supporting the least possible harm to this nation and society.
    Paddington
    16th Oct 2018
    12:54pm
    Interestingly, a post from two years popped up as a fact check so I read the comments on there. I was going to comment there but realise few would have seen my comments so here we go!
    A woman stated that she had a friend travelling for chemo and she had no family like the writer. Comments were similar to here but there were a few who highlighted that many have a different story of hardship.
    It needs to be understood that our own experiences are not always those of other people. Empathy for those who do it tough is something we should be calable of. I am okay but others may not be alright. Their stories are probably true.
    Australia should be able to feed all its people. We can do better!
    Jim
    16th Oct 2018
    1:09pm
    Agree, we need to recognise that there are many reasons that people end up in a disadvantaged state, thank goodness we have charities and volunteers that can step in to help, I am not sure the government can cover all situations, especially when the circumstances are beyond government control, although we need to help the victims that are affected by the circumstances of poor choices by some, eg gamblers, drug addicts, drunks and other types of abusers.
    Paddington
    16th Oct 2018
    3:18pm
    Jim, those are not always choices though! People get addicted to many things including alcohol and cigarettes. Once addicted, gamblers for,example are at the mercy of their obsession. The cycle can be broken but it would not be easy. Homelessness is often due to mental illness. Choices often are limiting as well.
    Jim
    16th Oct 2018
    6:48pm
    Again I agree with your comments, Paddington, I certainly don’t have the answers, I have seen the results of people’s compulsions, the results usually affect the families of the abusers, I don’t know the statistics of how many people actually turn their addictions around, but quite often it’s all too late and often lasting damage is done to the abused, who themselves can end up with the same or similar compulsions.
    johnp
    16th Oct 2018
    1:47pm
    agree with Mick and esp. George. Could there be any joy say with Seniors United Party ??
    http://www.supa.org.au/
    floss
    16th Oct 2018
    2:06pm
    I have seen poverty in a country such as Australia and some people are in big trouble through no fault of their own ,I guess we have been lucky.I am really worried about the greed in our country and for some reason it has got worse in the last three years.Yes Billy's bonkers you have one comment correct.Mick right again.
    Paddington
    16th Oct 2018
    3:25pm
    It is hard to be judgemental when you use empathy instead. Floss, people like you are so important because you emphasise the fact that anybody can fall on hard times. During the depression everybody helped each other out. A knock on the door would be met with food and help. There are still a lot of good people though! Look at the drought and how everybody came together to help. The strawberry incident was another one. People bought the strawberries and just cut and checked.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    3:36pm
    We now have wire in cucumbers.
    TREBOR
    16th Oct 2018
    5:10pm
    I have lived POVERTY in this nation, stemming from what should have been a stable upper middle class family.. I lived it when I was growing up to a degree that most of you could not possibly fathom, and I worked to rise above it - to be ambushed by my own poor choices in life partners and effectively driven down to nothing - again. Then I lived 'under the bridge' again before rising again from the ashes... and now having real prospects again, planning a live-aboard boat for part of the year, a foreign property for part year, and a quiet oceanfront retirement (again), and one of it through illegal or criminal or immoral action ... from my own efforts and with zero handouts such as go to parasites and vultures and leeches in this society from government on some frankly insane premise that what is good for them is somehow good for the nation as a whole.

    I, for one, have the greatest sympathy and empathy for any that I meet who have fallen on hard times..... and I would suggest that most who meet me think I am a very caring and considerate person...

    Let's here it from the parasite gallery who think they have Entitlements over and above everyone else because they have so much.. must be entirely due to their own virtues.
    TREBOR
    16th Oct 2018
    5:11pm
    Sorry - that was:-

    "NONE of it through illegal or criminal or immoral action".
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2018
    8:47am
    But Trebor, it seems your ENTITLEMENT mentality deems pensioners ENTITLED to a decent standard of living (I agree, they are) but those who worked and saved diligently and are NOT reliant on the public purse are NOT entitled to ANYTHING - not a taxpayer-funded pension NOR to a fair tax policy that recognizes that they are saving the nation money and rewards them with a small franking credit.

    Entitlement is not the exclusive domain of those who claim hardship (whether their claim is truthful or not!) and take government support.

    It's time the whinging privileged pensioners here supported the SFRs in a protest over the proposal to cancel franking credits. Write to info@fairretirement.com.au or economics.reps@aph.gov.au defending the rights of SFRs to their franking credits where necessary to ensure an income equivalent to what they could achieve with less savings and a pension or part pension. If you don't, you are a gross hypocrite and totally selfish.

    BTW. I also have the greatest sympathy and empathy for those who have fallen on hard times, but I'm heartily sick of this socialist mentality that the solution for them is to grind everyone else into poverty.
    Old Geezer
    19th Oct 2018
    6:39pm
    I was going to make a donation to help a couple in my area that had fallen on hard times. But for some reason I decided to check them out first. Imagine my surprise when I saw they had a brand new BMW.
    Anonymous
    21st Oct 2018
    11:51am
    Do you eat your own dog food, OG, or is there some other way you became so full of Sh...t?

    I know there are people crying poor who are not (you do to get food hampers you don't need). Equally, I know there are lots in genuine need. And I know for absolute certain that you wouldn't make a donation to anyone unless your very life depended on it, and then you'd lie and steal to get it back!
    cockrone
    16th Oct 2018
    2:20pm
    I went to buy some mushrooms today - 20.00 a kilo!!!!! My heart, head and wallet just said NO./
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    3:16pm
    Gosh I eat lots of mushrooms. That is bad. Still I've been expecting high food prices as the fuel prices just keep on going up and also electricity for those foods that need refrigeration. It's not looking great.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    3:17pm
    ALDI usually have some field mushrooms that are not only good value but taste better than most of the others.
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    3:22pm
    Thanks Og will check it out.
    musicveg
    16th Oct 2018
    2:57pm
    I think every person who is going hungry has a different story and too many here from the comments I read are narrow in their thinking. I personally don't understand how they go hungry but remember a lot of people who are homeless do not receive welfare. A lot of people are also paying a lot of rent, and everyone knows if you are on Newstart it hardly even pays that in some places. I would never go to a charity for food because the food is poor, and it often leaves people still hungry because of poor nutrition, lots of empty white carbs. Fresh vegies, canned beans and grains are cheap and you can easily eat very cheaply if you know how, a lot of people do not know how or as for homeless do not have access to a kitchen to cook assuming they know how to cook too.
    Rae
    16th Oct 2018
    3:21pm
    Yes simple cheap food cooked well. Should be lessons for everyone.

    Even meat eaters can buy cheaper cuts. I don't eat a lot of meat but leatherjacket is cheap as well as pork shoulder and cuts like chuck steak. All simply require slow one pot cooking.

    Beans are great as well.

    I'd love to see more community food gardens with maybe soup kitchen attached to feed those hungry and unable to care for themselves.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    3:24pm
    I have a lot of excess produce from my garden and fruit trees that I donate to the local food store for the needy. They always offer me something in return. If I can use it I will take some as it's their way of saying thankyou.

    When my kids were younger we would go to a park and have a feed of fish and chips. If we saw anyone that was in the park by themselves we asked them to join us. Some people just wanted someone to talk to others were genuinely hungry but they took what we didn't want.
    musicveg
    16th Oct 2018
    3:31pm
    OG, you are showing your kinder side lately, nice to hear.
    Cowboy Jim
    17th Oct 2018
    11:00am
    Free meals is fine Rae, but I do not think you want the location in your neighborhood. We have a small park not far away and the hordes are coming. Some come in $50'000 cars, park it in our street and walk around the corner to mentioned park for a meal for nix. There is also a mobile book exchange, doctor visit with nurse. All good - but preferably somewhere else please.
    Old Geezer
    19th Oct 2018
    5:44pm
    I know of quite well off people who have clothes just for getting a free feed from soup kitchens and other outlet for the needy. They use their pensioner concession to get a cheap train trip into the city for what they call a good night out on the cheap.
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2018
    5:57pm
    Hahah - just like going to a fancy dress party dressed in Dickens Oliver Twist attire
    Anonymous
    21st Oct 2018
    11:47am
    Obviously you are among them, OG, stealing yet again. Otherwise you wouldn't know all about it. And you openly admit to stealing food hampers. No wonder this nation is in a mess.

    16th Oct 2018
    3:25pm
    Full OAP's should be required to relocate to towns with cheaper rent.
    They also need to be issued their paycheck by way of transfer to a limited use card - no alcohol, cigarettes or gambling

    I also question the figures and reasons put out by these charities - its a way for them to get more sponsorship and donations and justify their tax free status.
    musicveg
    16th Oct 2018
    3:33pm
    Not possible for all OAP's to relocate, away from family, friends and what they have know for years, put them in isolation and they will get depressed, then sick and be more of a burden on the health care system.
    As far as charities go, maybe they need to prove what they are doing in order to get their tax free status, but then look at all the religious groups, they only have to say they are religious to get tax free and often own a lot of property and businesses, all tax free.
    Cowboy Jim
    16th Oct 2018
    3:48pm
    Sounds a bit like Hitler's thinking - responsible OAPs should get the money the way they get it now. Realise people who name the age pension have that sort of mindset. - As I said before: I put in during my working life here and now I am taking some out before it goes to flotsam and jetsam and politicians and especially to exGG Hollingworth. Amen
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    4:02pm
    I like the idea of those tiny house projects myself as I think it would help a lot of people. They are small but have everything one needs to live.
    TREBOR
    16th Oct 2018
    5:14pm
    RAUS, die Alter Juden.. RAUS! On der trains or ve schtick der dogs on you! Resist and you vill be shot! Untermenschen ... RAUS!

    You're a very lowlife troll, diablo... go and get a real job...

    Your one saving grace is that you are good for a laugh....
    Triss
    16th Oct 2018
    6:36pm
    Do a bit of research, olbaid. Rents are not that much cheaper anywhere. Then when the OAPs have paid for removals, expenses for travelling to these fictional towns of yours looking for accommodation and depleted their savings they'll most probably get a raise in their pension. Having left family and friends who would have given them some support and care they will have to rely on government aid...more expense for themselves and taxpayers. I don't think the taxpayers will see any financial benefit.
    Paddington
    16th Oct 2018
    8:50pm
    oldbaid, how dare you suggest that pensioners be put on cards. Who do you think you are? You can relocate and be put on a card that dictates your choices. How does that idea appeal to you? You cannot tell others how to live or where to live. You place yourself above others in importance or value.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    9:14pm
    All those on welfare should be given the welfare card. Taxpayers deserve to know that their taxes are being spent on the things that people on welfare should spend the money on. They don't like their money being gambled or used to buy a substance of abuse.
    TREBOR
    16th Oct 2018
    9:30pm
    All those self-funded retirees should be placed on a welfare card and their incomes from their funds restricted and taxed on excesses religiously... SMSF or not... you don't get to increase your capital all the time without paying tax...and since so many SMSFs are run poorly and run down, a welfare card drawn on their account is the only solution.

    Taxpayers deserve no such thing, since Pensions are a bought and paid for entitlement.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    9:31pm
    I would have no issues with using a welfare card at all.
    TREBOR
    16th Oct 2018
    9:33pm
    Any money they move on and off shore while building their retirement egg should be taxed fully as income... every time it moves... too many are holding an Australian account so as to cop DI, then cutting down their real income by 'repaying' a 'loan' to buy to their offshore account, then asserting that next time around buying shares they are 'borrowing' again.

    DI, of course, since it is wrong in all ways, has received the cross against it in that review... but not today... just soon.. soon... I suppose the hope is that it will simply continue and will be forgotten...

    Pay your taxes... and be proud REAL taxpayers and not leeches off the work of others.
    Old Geezer
    16th Oct 2018
    9:36pm
    I have no idea what you are on about Trebor.
    roy
    16th Oct 2018
    9:47pm
    Me neither OG.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2018
    10:30pm
    Dont worry chaps, neither has Trebore
    TREBOR
    17th Oct 2018
    12:47am
    Oh... but you will...... you will...... if your claims to being investment geniuses hold up - otherwise you have nothing to concern yourself about... but I guess you missed it...
    Anonymous
    17th Oct 2018
    12:55am
    Doesn’t matter how your warped mind works but savvy people have the different scenarios and optimal options mapped out

    At the end of the day one only needs at most $100k annual income to live a decent life
    So any excess taxable income producing assets need only to be converted to alternate cash flow streams that are tax exempt

    You make me laugh Trebore.
    Don’t get me wrong , it’s good to laugh especialy if it’s at the expense of green eyed monsters like you
    ROFLMAO
    Anonymous
    17th Oct 2018
    3:08am
    My dear Paddington
    I do not place myself above anyone else
    However , if one is relying on the taxpayer to live instead of ones own resources , then the taxpayer has the right to ensure that their charity is utilized in the way it was intended I.e. to pay for basic needs
    I don’t consider alcohol cigarettes and gambling to be a basic human need , do you Paddington ?
    Old Geezer
    17th Oct 2018
    10:50am
    Trebor I have already converted my franking credits in capital gains so that's not a concern any more.
    Anonymous
    18th Oct 2018
    11:22am
    Um... excuse me please Trebor, but SFRs are contributing enormous amounts to the national treasury already - not paying tax, but saving the nation $1 million or more per SFR over the course of their retirement. They are every bit as ENTITLED (morally) to a pension as anyone else. They worked and paid tax, and now they are being punished for it and you want them to suffer more, just because the privileged who supposedly ''earned and paid for'' their pensions (that the SFRs equally earned and paid for but DO NOT GET) want more.

    I value fairness, empathy, charity and respect - but it cuts two ways. And all this bashing of SFRs, ASSUMING they must have been 'lucky' or cheated on tax' is not respectful or fair, and it's certainly not charitable, and frankly, sir, it grossly damages your cause. The whinging pensioners who claim 'entitlement' but then refuse to support unfair attacks on the incomes of those who support themselves from savings are turning a lot of taxpayers against them. Ultimately, you would be far better served to be a little humble and show gratitude for the pension. Yes, it SHOULD be an entitlement - for EVERYONE over qualifying age (subject to residency requirements). But EVERYONE includes SFRs. They are just as morally entitled as any pensioner.
    johnp
    18th Oct 2018
    11:27am
    Agree 100% with OnlyGenuineRainey
    Anonymous
    19th Oct 2018
    8:58am
    Everyone here who is concerned about the welfare of RETIREES (that's ALL OF THEM - not just the privileged pensioners!) should write to info@fairretirement.com.au and economics.reps@aph.gov.au pointing out the gross unfairness of taking franking credits away from people who rely on them to get by BECAUSE they worked hard and saved and DO NOT RELY ON THE TAXPAYER PURSE for sustenance in old age.

    If pensioners are entitled to a triple whammy - pensions PLUS concessions PLUS franking credits - it's a miserable, selfish, greedy, and nasty individual who supports taking the franking credits away from people who get no other benefit from the taxpayer purse in their old age - merely because they worked harder or saved better.

    (And if you fooling your ignorant self believing this CRAP that they were somehow 'lucky'' or that all of them rorted the taxpayer, you are an idiot. Sure, some probably were lucky. Some probably rorted the taxpayer. Millions of pensioners were lucky too - but used their luck to buy expensive homes or take costly overseas cruises. Millions of pensioners rort the system too, and achieve high living standards. Attack them first, and demand the HONEST and UNLUCKY who worked their guts out and saved for retirement are protected from unfairness.)

    PS. If you don't support the campaign to stop the ALP's bad policy, you will be condemning the neediest to more hardship, because when masses of SFRs are forced onto pensions, there will be a lot less to go around. Time to end the delusions and assumptions and wake up to reality - before it's too late!
    Old Geezer
    19th Oct 2018
    11:50am
    OGR here is the link for a submission.

    https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Economics/FrankingCredits
    Anonymous
    21st Oct 2018
    11:55am
    The link leads to the email addresses I supplied, OG. I've already sent submissions, and so have my partner and children.

    For those who have not - email info@fairretirement.com.au or economicsreps@aph.gov.au.

    Doesn't have to be a literary masterpiece. Just tell them, in your own words, how the policy will hurt you and people you know and why it's bad for the economy.

    Got doubts? Do some research. It doesn't affect high income earners. It doesn't affect anyone with more than $1.6 million in super. It doesn't affect pensioners, no matter how well off they really are. It ONLY hurts those struggling to self-fund from relatively low asset balances or modest incomes and getting NO OTHER TAXPAYER-FUNDED BENEFITS. And it takes from them FOR LIFE, no matter how poor they may become in future years.