Kevin wants your money

Kevin Rudd sends emails seeking war chest for Election 2013

Kevin wants your money

It took less than 24 hours from the unseating of Julia Gillard for Kevin Rudd’s office to send out a begging letter. You, too, may have received one. Rather than paraphrasing, here it is in its entirety.

On Behalf Of Kevin Rudd
Sent: Thursday, 27 June 2013 1:48 PM
To: David

Subject: Together, we can win

David,

In recent years, politics has failed the Australian people. There has just been too much negativity all round. There’s been an erosion of trust.

Negative personal politics has done much to bring dishonour to our parliament but done nothing to address the urgent challenges facing our country, our communities and our families.

In fact it has been holding our country back.

This must stop, and with all my heart that is the purpose that I intend to pursue as Prime Minister.

I want to acknowledge the achievements of my predecessor, Julia Gillard. She is a woman of extraordinary intelligence, of great strength and energy. She has achieved much under the difficult circumstances of minority government.

Every effort I have in my being will be dedicated to uniting the Australian Labor Party. No retributions, no pay backs, none of that stuff. It is pointless, it is old politics.

Together, we can win and defend all that Labor has achieved in the past six years. Join the campaign today or click here to donate.

Thanks,

Kevin

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Opinion: Kevin just has to be kidding

David was even quicker off the mark than Kev – here is his reply, again in its entirety:

Kevin,

As a long-time, self-employed small business proprietor, I work through my notional ‘lunch break’. Since you’ve seen fit to intrude, unsolicited, on my screen, I feel fully entitled to give you some uncensored, ‘grass-roots’ feedback.

Your spiel is big on the need to replace the negativity that has characterised Australian politics ‘in recent years’. So let’s get a little more specific. I suspect that ‘negativity’ started on 24/6/10 when you quite legitimately and constitutionally lost the confidence of a majority of your parliamentary colleagues and caucus voted to replace you with your then deputy. She had already demonstrated, both privately and publicly, her superior decision-making, management and inter-personal skills during your frequent overseas junkets. When you were away, ‘stuff’ got done and the senior bureaucrats soon learned when it was best to submit anything which required a decision rather than micro-managing.

But you couldn’t accept caucus’ decision, so you embarked on an unprecedented, sustained campaign to undermine, at every opportunity, your successor. You leaked like a sieve to the media, especially the already heavily biased News stable, and they soaked it all up and spat it out for public consumption to a largely gullible electorate.

Well, congratulations Kevin, after three long years of despicable betrayal, you’ve got what you wanted. You’ve dispatched a leader with more guts, grace and integrity in her little finger than you have in your entire scheming and insincere being. Her only significant miscalculation was failing to let you dig your own grave back in 2010. Then your numerous shortcomings and breathtaking hubris would have been more evident to the voting public.

Impartial and better-qualified commentators than myself have documented just how effective was your sabotage of the Gillard Government. The very fact that the 2010 election resulted in a minority Labor Government, dependent upon the support of a disparate group of independents and beholden to the Greens, must have been very satisfying. And then, the PM soldiered on for three long years of getting up every morning and going out to confront numerous opponents; both the official Opposition in Federal Parliament and that orchestrated by yourself in the Government’s own ranks. Very few, male or female, could have survived, let alone performed and delivered, under such a sustained, venomous and personal attack.

Sadly, there is no evidence that your time in the wilderness of the backbench has taught you anything. Certainly, your overweening ego, and the gobsmacking hypocrisy evident in your most recent public utterances, would suggest quite the reverse. Yes, you’re correct on one point and that’s the need to significantly raise the standard of politics in Australia, both in general and in the House of Reps in particular. However, based on your track record, I doubt that you’re the one to achieve this desperately needed reform.

If the Federal Opposition Leader was the last pollie left on earth, nothing could induce me to vote for him. Likewise, yourself. The Greens and independents are now looking particularly attractive. They could represent the last vestige of integrity in the contemporary Australian political landscape.

Thanks,

David

David is clearly jacked off by Kevin’s request for financial support. What do you think? Has he been too harsh? Does Kevin deserve our financial and/or political support?

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    Kaye Fallick
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:51am
    I am not a huge fan of rewarding bad behaviour and reinstating Mr Rudd as leader seems to be a very short-term electoral grab rather than evidence of a party which believes in its core values - so no vote, no dollars from me.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    8:30pm
    Wow, really?

    You may not like RUDD BUT he certainly believes in CORE values and fights hard for those most disadvantaged in society and the AVERAGE Australian.

    The economic plans and processes that he put in place in the short time that he held the reigns (short, medium and long term plans) where followed by Gillard and the Labor Party.

    That is why Australia is on top of the world economically.

    No, you don't have to like him BUT you should give him and the labor party credit for not only steering us through the horrors that other countries are experiencing but putting us in the best position of any country, ever.... in the world's history.

    This done during the GFC....really, really amazing management, not just good!

    Now, onto the absolutely NORMAL process of ALL political PARTIES asking for donations!!!!!

    The Greens are asking for money, WikiLeaks Party are asking for money, the LIBERAL Party are asking for money (even though their coffers are filled with BIG BUSINESS contributions), and YES, the LABOR Party are asking for money.

    How very unusual and how typically biased and pathetic to suggest that RUDD's request from the public to donate is any different to all these other parties.

    Would you prefer RUDD to go to BIG BUSINESS and make behind door deals, as the Liberal Party are doing!!!!!

    NO, Labor would prefer to ask the people, so that they can do what is best for the AVERAGE AUSTRALIAN, rather than BIG BUSINESS.


    Hell...the LIBS already have Corporate (foreign) Owned Media onside and have oodles of CORPORATE dollars in their pockets.........AND they still can't FOOL the Australian PUBLIC.

    That's one BIG reason why Liberals are proposing to destroy our PUBLIC education system.... Australians are TOO SMART.... they want to DUMB us down (as has been done to the good people of the USA).

    I for one, do NOT want that utter imbecile Rinehart and her mate Murdoch, running this country, so that they can pay less tax and fill their pockets with OUR tax money.

    My answer is, DONATE like hell, PEOPLE, fight big business and tell Rinehart and Murdoch to get out of our faces!
    HOLA
    3rd Jul 2013
    9:42am
    Give them heaps Mussitate, I think you would be great on the campaign trail, speaks so much sense. I'd Vote for you.
    Young Simmo
    3rd Jul 2013
    12:31pm
    I agree Kaye, I think the Prime Minister's pay went up something like from $480,000 to about $520,000 a few weeks ago. Tell Rudd to start paying his own way like the rest of us. It is fairly obvious why he wanted the job, even if only for a couple of months. In addition to the salary there is the occasional tank of juice in the taxpayer provided Mini Minor he scoots around in.
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    6:33pm
    Young Simmo

    I am sure that Abbott's very first piece of legislation would be to cut his and all pollies pays back to what it was three years ago.
    Fact is Abbott would donate three quarters of his pay because he receives so many benefits from his corporate mates.
    Oh! and of course, he would NOT need a car, he would have so much time on his hands (Murdoch's think tanks would be doing all the work), that Abbott would ride his bike everywhere - who said he wasn't a greeny.
    cosluv
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:51am
    totally agree with David
    heyyybob
    2nd Jul 2013
    11:00am
    Well, I have a fair idea who the Prime Minister is and who he represents and from 'David's letter' I have a inkling of who and what he is. He appears to have a good appreciation, from my viewpoint, of some Australian politics and would be, like most Australians, working hard to support himself and his. I can but hope that he has some time to put his views to a political party of his choice and even financially support it by becoming a member of that party, before the General Elections. As for me ? I have learnt, in a reasonably long life, that sadly my opinion(s) no matter how passionately delivered, don't seem to have the effect/conviction that I would have wished. Howsomever I 'pays me dues' and keep my fingers crossed ;) I do agree, 100% with Davids comments regarding Julia Gillard. Oh, to answer the questions....No and done :D
    ritajack
    2nd Jul 2013
    11:00am
    Totally agree with David. Labor party is a joke.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    8:42pm
    Pretty amazing joke, aye.

    Little old AUSTRALIA, the best ECONOMY in the WORLD, thanks to Labor Party policies.

    Be thankful that Rudd and Gillard were about when they were. The alternative of what Abbott is offering is quite frightening.

    Tell me....if ALL political parties ask for donations....why has Rudd been singled out and a whole opinion written about how bad that is??????

    BIASED and wanting to DISTORT facts, so that we are detracted from recognising Murdoch's Big Business liberal party's INEPTITUDES? I think so!
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    9:28pm
    The website "The Conversation", from Monday will be setting up a site called "Election Fact Check", anyone seriously interested in separating fact from fiction should check it out.
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    11:19am
    Anything that will stop Tony Abbott and the Coalition getting into government at the next election I will support, where are the Coalition policies?, other the Turn back the boats ( which is illegal according to the Refugee Convention that Australia signed up to ) also impossible to implement as the boat people will just scuttle the boats and our navy will have to go to the rescue, and also Get rid of the Carbon Tax. Where are the rest of their policies, even business is against their Direct Action Plan and their Rolled Gold Paid Parental Leave, these increased costs to business will be passed on to customers and anyone who thinks getting rid of the Carbon Tax will reduce electricity prices has rocks in their head. If I hear one more time "The Howard Government did it", I will scream, adult Australians know the world has changed since Howard was in Government although you wouldn't think so looking at all the aged members of the Coalition Party, time for a reshuffle there I think.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:47pm
    Misty - The Coalition will not release any policies up until the last minute, thus preventing any intensive scrutiny of their plans to let Gina Rinehart and her corporate scheming mates sell the entire country to the Chinese, so they can get even richer and even more powerful.
    Watch this space for a massive multi-million-dollar Liberal advertising campaign, fully funded by Rinehart, Forrest and all the other billionaires, that will make Labor advertising look like a bunch of kindergarden amateurs.
    HOLA
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:28pm
    I might be a bit thick, but can someone tell me WHO THE HELL IS DAVID???????
    dippity
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:49pm
    I guess he's related to Kaye, Hola
    HOLA
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:00pm
    Thanks dippity, did not see the connection. Obviously he is a Liberal supporter.My neighbour got a phone call from the Liberal representative in our district wanting to ask who she would be supporting in the election, bit of a cheek.
    HOLA
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:19pm
    Well said Misty and Aaron. Did anyone watch Q and A the other evening. Tanya Plebeseck was one of the guests on the panel. Don't know the others, She spoke without raising her voice, about the Labour Party's achievements and their goals to make a better Australia,much to the audience's approval. The Liberal sheila whoever she was, just kept talking a lot of hot air
    Troubadour
    2nd Jul 2013
    11:45am
    How did Kevin get our email details to send out his 'begging' letter ? It reeks of 1984 tactics.
    We have NEVER had anything to do with LABOR in anyway shape or form. It did nothing to engender our changing our minds.
    Foxy
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:53pm
    .....worked it out - I too got an email from Rudd de Dudd - I am a supporter for Animals Australia and the emails regarding animal cruelty go to the applicable Labor MP - only reason I can think of as I have nothing to do with Labor!
    Sandi (SA)
    2nd Jul 2013
    11:47am
    David, I wholeheartedly agree. There is no way I would give K Rudd support or money.
    Likewise the Greens, who are into ruining the country with no thought as to how the other half lives or more to the point exists.
    Independants are looking good to me.
    ricks12
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:04pm
    Rudd is the complete hypocrite and not to be trusted. However, hypocrisy and all I now feel once again I will vote for the ALP. Anything but Abbott! Unfortunately, under PM Gillard it's clear that the electorate was not listening and her great reforms simply weren't being seen as such. I am not quite a rusted-on Labour voter and would love to give a protest vote to a Liberal Party led by Malcolm Turnbull. He strikes me as being the only genuine statesperson among the whole sorry lot. A pox on both their houses.
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:43pm
    My sentiments exactly.
    ghoti
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:03pm
    The media, whose agenda is to install the LNP coalition, simply did not talk about Gillard's reforms. Throw in the outrageous treatment of her, and the vitriolic campaign against her, by the shock jocks, News Limited newspapers (especially the Daily Telegraph) and rabid right-wing websites and it's no wonder she was on the nose, despite her achievements, her courage, and her grace. In the end she got back what she had delivered to Rudd.
    HOLA
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:02pm
    Totally agree with all your remarks ghoti.
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    7:55pm
    Very succinctly said ghoti, excellent.
    heyyybob
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:09pm
    Also agree with David.....the Opposition is 'dead in the water' and rudderless (pun intended!) :D

    2nd Jul 2013
    12:17pm
    RUDDS are known to have come from SNAKE GULLY, so beware
    tia-maria
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:07pm
    PIXAPD........sound like sour grapes from Liberal voters?? and just maybe their running scared that Kevin Rudd has lot of fans out their.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:47pm
    I do not vote........ I support number 1...... myself
    HOLA
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:36pm
    Totally agree with you tia-maria. Tony Abbott to my knowledge has not made one iota of sense when he tries to make a positive statement.
    Foxy
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:43pm
    .......interesting that for a long time on here you claim NOT to vote yet you always seem to have such bigggggggg opinions - why would anyone be interested in your "blah blah blah"? Bizarre!
    aarceng
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:23pm
    I largely agree with David. I thought Julia was doing a good job. Unfortunately, despite his faults, Rudd is the alternative PM to Tony Abbot, and I don't want Abbot reversing the positive changes Labor has made.
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:44pm
    Agree.
    heyyybob
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:50pm
    Also agree
    slapsy
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:35pm
    Isn't it a shame that more people didn't show respect and support for Julia Gillard.
    Ask most people to tell you what was wrong with her the answer was usually,"I don't like her."Ask them why and they would say,"I just don't like her."
    How pathetic is that.So congratulations all you people,you have your wish.Now you have to live with what you have.
    Good luck.
    dippity
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:18pm
    yep, she was abandoned by some of her supporters, for expediency...all I ever get about why people didn't like her was the "lie" about the carbon tax, the oft-misquoted, not quite a lie. As far as I can see all pollies lie, only some get reported
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:16pm
    Try googling Tony Abbott's lies and 5 pages of well documented lies come up.
    dippity
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:20pm
    an eye opener isn't it?
    biddi
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:28pm
    B****r off! After watching 4 Corners last night we should be spending money on OUR
    homeless and poor. Not sending money to KRudd, Indonesia etc. etc. I believe all this
    euphoria about Rudd will be short-lived. Enough time before the Fed. election, I hope.
    Julia was much better gracing our TV sets. I actually miss her .... seems so long ago.

    2nd Jul 2013
    12:39pm
    David - Well stated. Unfortunately, there are numerous people in many leadership positions in politics, who are there because of their lust for power, and their manipulative ability - not because of their leadership ability. Kevin Rudd is one of them.

    Leopards don't change their spots - despite Kevin telling us he's a changed man.
    He's still the same tear-around blue-tail fly, who mistakes movement for action.
    The only reason people would vote for Kevin Rudd is because the other choices are even worse.

    Possibly the best thing that Rudd has done is appointed a number of newcomers to the Ministry, who could be a breath of fresh air - provided Rudd actually lets them make decisions,instead of running a one-man show.
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:48pm
    And Tony Abbott is one also, promising the Independents anything and everything to get their vote thank God they had enough sense to see the real Tony Abbott not the sham we see on TV these days.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:25pm
    I am sick of reading the cliche "Leopards don't change their spots". We all have the capacity to change and in fact do make changes. Give the man a chance to show us if he has changed before judging him.
    rtrish
    2nd Jul 2013
    6:06pm
    Certainly we do have the capacity to change - I just don't think Kevin has. Nor do I think he will.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    9:06pm
    Come ON Aaron, loosen up.

    Have any of you seen the new deputy PM (Anthony Albanese) perform in parliament..well you should (he is on youtube, seek him out). He is brilliant and funny. The poor libs don't know which way to look. He doesn't pull punches and simply enjoys himself.

    So Aaron, if you check out his choice of deputy PM, you may be a little bit more predisposed towards Rudd. The many women on his new cabinet seem relatively happy and only some rather rigid politicians (in my view) have left.

    The politician I would have loved to have walked, would have been Bob CARR, the foreign affairs minister (ex state PM). Now he is an arrogant tosser, who thinks he is clever and better than others, and lacks all forms of sensitivity towards other cultures and religions. Desperately needs a dose of humility. Maybe put him in charge of Sport, rather than Foreign Affairs would do the trick.
    rayser
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:41pm
    I have to say that I am a bit disappointed in this site. How dare you become a Political bouncing ball airing your personal belief to a vulnerable crowd. This is NOT a political site I was led to believe, but it is very obvious where your political aspirations lie David. Get of this tak or you lose me and a lot of other supporters. Leave politics to the professionals.
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:53pm
    Sorry you feel this way Rayser but unfortunately or fortunately, depending on you views, we are all involved in politics as it is compulsory to vote in this country and it is healthy for people to be able to express their views. That is the trouble with a lot of voters they just follow what the media and talk back jocks tell them and don't do any research to get the real facts.
    Kaye Fallick
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:07pm
    Hi Rayser We don't think our members are vulnerable. They are pretty savvy and many love the chance to share their political opinions. David shared his thoughts in a blog based on a news fact - Mr Rudd's email requesting a donation. We welcome all opinions as long as they are polite. And when it comes to politics, surely we are all professionals as we all have a vote?
    Robertj
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:09pm
    Hey Rayser
    You are trying to say that we are all dumb. Your arrogance equals Kevin Rudd's and look at the failed schemes that he and the Labor party have introduced over the last few years.
    Leave it to the professionals!!! Well they have lost the way, they believe all the hype that the party produces. So you think no one who is not a politician or a hanger-on is not intelligent enough to understand politics??
    ghoti
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:10pm
    I largely agree with Rayser. Would this site publish a similarly savage bilious attack on Abbott, say? No way. All the opinion pieces I've seen here attack Labor in some way. How about some balance?
    Fallick writes: "But (Rudd) couldn’t accept caucus’ decision". Likewise, you, Fallick, can't accept the decision to put Rudd back into the top job. Obviously you don't like Rudd, but how about an attack based not on your personal dislike but on the policies that are going to affect all Australians?
    dippity
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:26pm
    Pity we all can't rise above this rubbish...dislike the pollies by all means but give them credit for their achievements. I think it would be a backward step to vote Tony Abbott in on John Howard's achievements, as he constantly asks us to do; I would also reject a Labor pollie trying to get in on the achievements of Hawke, for example. Julia Gillard had her own thoughts on governing and tried to implement them, Abbott is too busy selling the negative to be telling us what he plans to achieve. And KRudd is riding in on the achievements of Julia, she did the hard yards and pushed the unpopular policies that KRudd put in the too hard basket!
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:33pm
    We are a vulnerable crowd???? I resent being called vulnerable. What an offensive assumption!
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    9:24pm
    Yes, Kaye BUT most of us do not get the opportunity to express them as David has done and then after such a biased and negative review, run a ("Yes, Minister" type) POLE, of ONE PERSON ONLY (not even the party he represents) asking for donations, when ALL parties are asking for donations.

    The whole think reeks..... what are DAVID'S opinions of the OTHER parties asking for donations!!!!! AND David has personalised the Labor Parties donation requests as RUDD's donation requests..... that is totally OUT of ORDER and totally BIASED.

    Maybe DAVID should have questioned the process which allows some parties to get more money, than other parties, to run a political campaign.

    WOULDN'T it have been more POSITIVE for DAVID to discuss the LACK of DEMOCRACY of political parties relying on DONATIONS to enable them to campaign. Why didn't he raise the option that ALL parties get SET FUNDS from government coffers to run campaigns (which are subject to audit). That puts all parties on equal footing, it would also give teeth to complaints about biased Corporate (foreign) Owned media reporting.

    So, on this one Kaye, I am sorry but this article is so TOTALLY biased it does give Rayser some validity - his only mistake was calling us vulnerable.
    heyyybob
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:47pm
    Sorry Rayser. I don't consider myself vulnerable and I certainly don't play with (bouncing) balls. Far too old for that :( Reading the postings above I'm not too concerned with the reaction to David's passionate rant. People seem to be able to respond quite well, depending on their political bent.
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    12:53pm
    Nice polite reply .

    2nd Jul 2013
    12:54pm
    AS a pensioner and paying rent I get $931 fortnight..and from that I save $600 a month..I run on a surplus
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:08pm
    Good for you, do you live in a tent?.
    heyyybob
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:14pm
    I would get tired of eating noodles by candlelight every day :( But that aside, what's your point ?
    heyyybob
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:17pm
    Oh, I get it !! You reckon you could run the country better and would like to change your transport from Pump to C1 and a little flag ?
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:49pm
    Point being that many folks are in circumstances created by their own foolishness, and 'fickle finger of fate' has now become their life.
    tia-maria
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:11pm
    PIXAPD.............Gee mate how come you get thta much on a pension are you self refunded? or ???? as our pension around the $600.00 per fortnight.and I wish I can save $600.00 per month.....very Fishie to me ?????????????????
    tia-maria
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:13pm
    PIXAPA...are you for real genuine retired people use their pension wisely,and for you to attack us the way we suppose to abuse our pension I find that an insult.....
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:42pm
    NO insult or offence to anyone, lest they take it themselves.... I get $931 fortnight as a single pensioner..... NOW many folks are in hardship because of their own ways with money, and some suffer from no fault of their own. However as that may be...... I myself live by this proverb and it has stood me in good stead, even in times of want or in times of plenty....' The rich rule over the poor and the borrower is slave to the lender.' I would expect older folks to be wiser...and that by experience of life, but alas some still owe..and that is no fault of mine.
    slapsy
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:44pm
    Wow !!!
    You get all that and you don't even vote.
    You must really be something special PIXAPD.
    Lady Tracey
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:45pm
    There is another proverb to be aware of "Do not judge Lest ye be judged yourself" or words to that effect depending on what biblical transposing you are reading..Im not religious but I its apt here, as usual people get into disgusting slanging matches to each other which are far off topic and all about ones ego's not ones voting ability. You all seem to miss a point which is if we dont like who is in power then we DO have the ability to vote for another, unfortunately we dont have alot of good choices and most feel its the lesser of two evils no matter who is in power..so depending on your slant as to the winner of that discussion. Either way you all seem to be so keen to slag off at each other here and travel well away from the original , it makes me cringe..and you have the audacity to point the finger at the politicians for doing so to each other..lol really irony at its best..
    really everyone needs to sit back, close their mouths unless you have anything to say that can be said respectfully and with forethought..
    Seriously Pixapd you should reel yourself in, how dare you point the finger at anyone else no matter what they earn or where they get it from, you dont walk in their shoes nor they in yours..if you are going to have real debate and or discussion then do so in a way that does NOT degrade others in any way shape of form, try setting an example rather than preaching about how good you might or might not be with your own money..Its just not nice at all..if you are going to live by your own sword, then be prepared to die by it!! Otherwise might I suggest to one and all keep it respectful..
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:17pm
    I have NOT pointed the finger at anyone in particular...but ' you shall reap what you sow '..... people are responsible for their own actions. Folks in debt hate me saying that it is unwise to borrow, and when I say it is best not to owe, you'd think they had just eaten sour grapes that set their teeth on edge by their reactions because they owe 1,000's and seek to justify themselves.

    And by the way, folk need to learn to whom the Lord was speaking and the circumstances of why he said what he did when he spoke on judging, for in another place he teaches.... 'when you judge, judge with righteous judgement'
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:32pm
    And another thing...seems some folks do not know what rate of payment Centrelink gives...perhaps folks should look at pension rates, rent assistance and allowances. That way you might learn.
    MITZY
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:32pm
    TIA-MARIA: PIXAPD said as a pensioner and paying rent he/she gets $931.00 per fortnight. As the full SINGLE government aged pension is $808.40 per fortnight, he/she must mean she gets $808.40 pension plus $122.60 rent assistance, totalling $931. Quite frankly if you don't vote you shouldn't be allowed to comment!
    MITZY
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:10pm
    TIA-MARIA: I meant to say if PIXAPD doesn't vote, he/she should not be allowed to comment. I'm beginning to think that PIXAPD by the sheer volume of comment has changed the "non de plume" and is really TASKID.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:11pm
    So if a person does not vote they should not comment, does that mean they should not watch the ABC or know and talk with politicians..should they be on some train to the camps? perhaps they should stop thinking for themselves....for they are a danger to society, not regarding the status quo...

    Yet they obey the Constitution and give an answer for not voting when asked..never fined, never called to court....always obedient to give an answer to the Govt for not voting....swift to give account for their action...and receive the pension, after working 45 years, paying tax in full and not defrauding the Govt by lies, as many seek to do, who vote.
    tia-maria
    2nd Jul 2013
    6:09pm
    Egyptian, yes a single man seems to be coping much better than the average couples........good for him.......Definately should not be allowed to comment since he does not vote ......(couples live on $509 each per fortnight) cheers
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    9:45pm
    Hi Eqyptian, how you doing?
    On most subjects OTHER THAN religion TASKID was okay. Never thought I would be supporting her, given my leanings, BUT it has to be said that PIXAPD is nothing like TASKID.

    Lady Tracey,
    Loosen off those corsets and try real hard to let others simply live and write on this forum without strict rules being applied.

    It is a WONDERFUL forum whereby we are allowed to carry on just a tad - there is room for people to breath and stretch things a bit. It is okay if we are off topic, it is how the 'conversation' flows sometimes.

    I have a go, everyone has a go..... sometimes we compliment.... sometimes we have a bad day and grumble BUT this forum is special in that it let's us waffle on and ONLY cauterise comments when someone really loses it!

    I bow and doff my hat to those that run Your Life Choices, even DAVID :-)
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    9:12am
    Wont be long now and you folks will driving in the train to transport me to the camp, because I dared speak the truth...
    Golfer
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:06pm
    He is a snake oil salesman. Tells lies and therefore cannot be trusted.
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:09pm
    Are you talking about Tony Abbott, Christopher Pyne or Scott Morrison?
    Golfer
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:19pm
    Dearest Misty, I refer of course to Mr "I wish to make it 100% clear to all members of the parliamentary Labor Party, including my own supporters, that there are no circumstances under which I will return to the Labor Party leadership in the future."

    Do you now know who I mean?
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:50pm
    Haven't got a clue(Tongue in cheek).
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:55pm
    Oh for goodness sake, don't start the "tells lies so can't be trusted" BS again. Been there with JG, done that, old hat, boring, boring, boring. Of course the esteemed opposition never tell lies do they?
    DC
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:09pm
    I am sooooo sick and tired of the constant attacks on Tony Abbott. Everything that is wrong in this country is all his fault?! My God, how quickly the so-called voting public forgets.
    TA may become PM whenever but it is the LNP team that would progress the country again - not Labour or Greens or selfindulgent independants.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    9:57pm
    Really?

    Murdoch's party propose that States fund Education and Health without Federal funding. The only way they can do that is to RAISE GST, EXORBITANTLY!!!! GST is an inequitable tax that taxes even those with NO income.

    Then what we have is each State having different levels of Education and Health because VIC & NSW raise lots in GST whereas other States do not.

    On top of that, the Federal government would have lots and lots of surplus funds and they propose to decrease Income Tax particularly for the wealthy (income tax is an equitable tax that takes into account whether you have no, some, or a lot of income). Labor have already raised the NO TAX levels to assist lower income earners - Libs plan to reverse that.

    So Murdoch's party will be effectively, taking us back to the DARK AGES in health and education, taxing the poor (GST) and giving it to the rich (reduced income tax).

    How is that going to help Australia.....GIVEN that Australia is on TOP of the WORLD in just about everything ECONOMIC under the Labor Party.

    How is Murdoch's party going to ADD to that!

    THINK ABOUT IT

    2nd Jul 2013
    1:17pm
    DO NOT BE CONCERNED......... the people get the GOVT that they deserve at the election..reflecting their own wickedness of same sex marriage notion coming from reprobate minds and a discounted abortion pill as a murder weapon...so the people shall be happy and content...setting their sights on a fixed pole of immorality and murder.
    heyyybob
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:39pm
    Oh, Oh !! He's baaaaaack :( Run away, run away !!!
    Foxy
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:46pm
    .........Jesus freak moron!
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    6:33pm
    PIXAPD,
    Wickedness is in the eye of the beholder. Now have a cup of holy water and a good lie down and give your poor tormented mind a break from worrying about the wickedness of all those loving same sex people who want to get married. A little prayer, something like:"Please help me to stop having wicked thoughts about wickedness" might help too. Good luck.
    HOLA
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:34pm
    While everyone out there is giving good advice, my Dad used to say, "A wise old owl sat in an oak, the more he saw, the less he spoke, the less he spoke the more he heard, why can't we be like that old bird?". Food for thought?
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    9:16am
    DO NOT BE CONCERNED......... the people get the GOVT that they deserve at the election..reflecting their own wickedness of same sex marriage notion coming from reprobate minds and a discounted abortion pill as a murder weapon...so the people shall be happy and content...setting their sights on a fixed pole of immorality and murder.

    Gillard gave the nation discounted murder and Rudd no doubt will give the nation immorality of same sex marriage. YOU FOLK ARE INDEED OF REPROBATE MIND.
    MITZY
    3rd Jul 2013
    1:02pm
    Pixapd and/or Taskid: How many times do we have this repeat statement of we get the government we deserve, etc. etc. it's becoming quite boring.
    And for your information I certainly am not of "REPROBATE MIND". There you go again "judging" and "classifying" all of us with your paint brush.
    NOTE TO EVERYONE HERE CAN YOU RECOGNISE YOURSELF FROM PIXAPD's DESCRIPTION???
    Question: "What is a Reprobate Mind"?
    Answer: Refers to those who God has rejected as godless and wicked. They "suppress" the truth by their wickedness and the wrath of God rests.....".
    Greek for Reprobate: ADOKIMOS = unapproved, that is rejected; by implication; worthless (literally or morally).
    Another version: "Those of reprobate minds have some knowledge of God and perhaps of his commandments. However those of reprobate minds also live corrupt and selfish lives. Sin is justified and acceptable to them. The reprobates are those that God has rejected and has left to their own devices.

    All I can say is you aren't going to change anything. You have your opinion and the rest of us have ours and I don't like the idea of categorising the posters on this website as being of reprobate mind.
    Anonymous
    4th Jul 2013
    4:57pm
    Indeed same sex marriage, abortion, homosexuality; ALL proceed from people who have a REBROBATE MIND...as many politicians have, and counted as worthless by God and rejected.... and the reprobate voters who elect them

    God commands repentance and belief
    Anonymous
    4th Jul 2013
    4:58pm
    I might add, I am not here to win a popularity contest
    dippity
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:22pm
    Might I say that I have had a begging email from the Coalition whose policies I don't agree with and have not had any such from Labor. I would not donate to either. They are paid enough by we taxpayers after each election and should budget for their campaign in the same way they tell us they will do in government!!!!!! They should concentrate on getting my vote, not what little money I have.
    heyyybob
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:42pm
    Rippity, dippity, dippity !! He/She is right folks !! I have received emails from both :( *rushes off to empty rubbish bin ;)
    dippity
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:51pm
    *blushes* I admit to being a she heyyybob
    FrankC
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:17pm
    I noticed today, that a 'blunder' has given the pollies a pay rise. Stop sending your cheques folks, mind you they may relinquish it. Watch the news for flying pigs.
    Ming
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:25pm
    He already has my money...it is called tax... he did not display care in the way he squandered it the last time he was PM, and there is no indication he has changed his habits. His change of policy re illegal immigrants last time should rule him out of ever being elected by the people again. He has spent three years and three days doing all he could to undermine Julia Gillard.is this the type of man we want as PM, I think not.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:05pm
    Not squandered Ericjoan......

    Rudd used that money to plan for the GFC and did so well, he and Gillard put Australia at the TOP of the WORLD.

    Did you know that?

    The Corporate (foreign) Owned Media would never tell you this but the rest of the world knows and is amazed to think we could even contemplate removing a government that has done so well by us, the ordinary people.

    Australia has more than just sidestepped the HORRORS of the GFC we have BLOSSOMED under Labor.
    BundyGil
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:29pm
    I also agree with David. The stupid Australian electorate has been hoodwinked again. Half a collective brain between the lot would be lonely.
    Politicians say how much they respect the electorate whilst treating them like the fools they are.
    Alexia_x
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:29pm
    Rudd is all you people say and more, but...what is the alternative? Even worse! I shiver at the idea of having that horrible Abbott at the head of our government, so perhaps the only alternative is the Greens, at least they seem more sincere than the rest of the political species we see around these days.
    Jurassicgeek
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:32pm
    The greens? Sincere? sorry no Alexia. They are all alike spawned by the same alien I suspect....
    Jurassicgeek
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:30pm
    I have given enough, these blood sucking vultures have taken the lot over the years,, there is nothing left Mr McDudd, you are not getting another red cent....
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:08pm
    Our country is amongst those with LOWEST taxes and HIGHEST benefits and services to the people.

    Not to mention that the economic management of Australia is simply the Best of the Best of the Best..... in the whole world. Check it out.... it's true.
    Sillabil
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:40pm
    Mussitate you are apparently NOT aware why we cruised through the GFC, not labour's work, you can thank the best treasurer Australia has ever had at that is the Liberal Peter Costello and I quote " Peter Costello has brought down eleven consecutive Federal Budgets, including nine surpluses, and has now completely eliminated Commonwealth net debt which stood at $96 billion in 1996. This means the Government is saving $8 billion a year in interest payments " and the subsequent Labour party was able to spend and bring us in debt again.
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    6:10pm
    I've heard that rubbish before.... did you know that Howard and Costello raised more taxes than any other government in the history of Australia.

    Did you also know that MOST of those taxes were spent.
    NOT on benefits and services for the people who PAID those taxes;
    NOT on PUBLIC health and education, spending was actually DECREASED;
    NOT on INFRASTRUCTURE;
    NOT on roads;

    The list could go on and on, so I shall stop here and tell you what happened to ALL that MONEY:

    ALL those taxes (PUBLIC FUNDS) were transferred (GIVEN) into PRIVATE pockets. Yes, Howard created a PRIVATE health system and poured millions into health insurers pockets and our participation was made compulsory, at the same time our PUBLIC health systems were allowed to run down.

    Yes, PUBLIC funds went to pay for the wealthy to have a better PRIVATE health system whilst the PUBLIC were required to accept second rate and run down health care services.

    In addition to health Howard and Costello poured MORE of the PUBLIC PURSE into PRIVATE pockets by redirecting taxes collected into the PRIVATE SCHOOLS and OF COURSE, at the same time reduced funding to PUBLIC SCHOOLS. The wealthy had the best of the best of the best in schooling for their kids whilst our public schools couldn't even afford to fix up lockers doors that had broken.

    The small amount of money left in the coffers was a total JOKE! The amount that was necessary for Labor to FIX up PUBLIC HEALTH AND EDUCATION was HUGE, particularly given that it was NOT possible to STOP the huge amounts of PUBLIC funds going into PROPPING UP PRIVATE HEALTH AND EDUCATION. So Labor was required to DOUBLE UP on EVERYTHING!!!!!

    Then we had the GFC and whilst Abbott was still doing nothing and guffawing about no need to do anything, Rudd (Labor) was very, very quick to act and drew up and implemented short term, medium and long term plans to counteract the effects of the GFC. If he hadn't acted immediately, we may not have been in the position we are today.

    Additionally, Sillabil, although private debt is high in Australia, our governments debt is one of the LOWEST in the world.

    So Labor have managed this country brilliantly. The old, sagging claim that Costello and that war monger Howard was the cause of it is a TOTAL LIE perpetrated by Murdoch and his other PRIVATE media cronies!!!

    An aside: I do believe that Costello tried hard at a more equal distribution between wealthy and ordinary Australians but Howard would have none of it.
    Smee
    2nd Jul 2013
    1:36pm
    "Together, we can win and defend all that Labor has achieved in the past six years". Great statement for the mindless followers of the ALP. You have achieved only massive national debt, failed boarder protection, screwed the 'state's' education systems, introduced the NBN white elephant, bent over backwards for your union puppet masters, to only mention a few and in general lowered Australia's standard of living and all done in 6 years. Even Gough Whitlam wasn't this incompetent. C' Ruddy, old son, you're backing a loser. Go and find a real (and honest) job.
    As far as 'positive' changes, as sprouted by some commentators, I havn't seen any for about 6 years or so.
    Until 3 or 4 years ago I considered myself apolitical, not any more. I've heard so much drivel come out of the ALP camp and the union interference therein, that I now treat any ALP rhetoric and statements as pure fantasy.
    Rayster, I share your views and except for reading today's offering and after being urged by my wife, I also now do not read this site and for the same reasons.
    Gillard's (and C'Ruddy's) biggest achievement; divided Australians even more. On ya guys!!
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:45pm
    Smee have you had your head in the sand?, what about the NDIS, NBN, Gonski and the other bills passed in the government, get your facts straight. You won't be missed from this site I can assure you, it is only for mature thinking adults who can put their views forward regardless of what party they support, good and bad in both I am sure you will agree.
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    5:43pm
    Actually, no Smee you have heard so much dribble coming out of our Corporate (foreign) Owned Media, about the ALP.

    This media has FREE REIGN over Australia and can say and do whatever it wants... they are self regulated and sit on their own disciplinary boards. This corporate media (Murdoch and his cronies) support whoever will put even MORE money into their pockets. Unfortunately, this means taking that money out of OUR pockets.

    Moral of the story, is do not believe what you read or listen to.. if it is our COMMERCIAL MEDIA.

    Go on the internet and check out stuff for yourself.

    If you have a reasonable mobile phone you can download Reddits (the App Alien Blue gives you Australian, World and other news). It gives you headlines and then takes you to the full article if you are interested.

    Sit down and have a cuppa and read the news from your phone... it will give you a lot more information than Murdoch has to offer.

    Misty
    Well said.

    2nd Jul 2013
    1:43pm
    Long ago I voted for number 1..... myself.... and live as God wants...no borrowing, no loans or any debts, owing nothing. Whilst the population became slaves to the banks on the notion that greed is good and you can get what you want by credit..... I live by paying attention to this Proverb...'The rich rule over the poor and the borrower is slave to the lender'
    Foxy
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:02pm
    .......so why you happily taking Centrelink money you d---h--d!
    tia-maria
    2nd Jul 2013
    6:14pm
    Foxy............your right his happy to take from the taxpayers of Australia????? so we must D..H....if we cant see through him...............cheers
    Anonymous
    4th Jul 2013
    1:58pm
    Those who worked and paid tax for 45 years are entitled to the pension, so you both can BUGGER OFF
    Bea's mum
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:06pm
    I am not a fan of either Abbott or Rudd, but I certainly will not be voting Labor. As usual, they have shown they are still to learn the art of handling money. Other peoples that is. It is scandalous what they have done to this country. But people still think they have worked wonders. Please!!
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:12pm
    Bea's mum

    Your kidding yes? Australia is the ENVY of the world because OUR finances have been handled brilliantly by Labor. We have not suffered the horrors of the GFC, far from it... we have blossomed and our economic management has been one of the best in the whole world.

    Don't believe me..... just go anywhere on the internet and you will see how well Australia is doing.

    Tell me .... seriously, what has labor done that is scandalous???? Other than put Australia at the top of the world???
    suzukidick
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:08pm
    sorry dave no one cares what your opinion is let alone krudd if u dont like living here MOVE
    Bobeye
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:15pm
    If only we could rid ourselves of all of them and start again with a clean slate.

    Just have to think before placing any numbers in the squares.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:13pm
    Just ensure that whoever gets in, that they do NOT control both houses of Parliament. Now that would be disastrous.
    Grateful
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:16pm
    David, this is a very different world and it is all about pragmatism and polls. See the latest polls?? That's what it was all about.
    And, frankly, if Tony Abbott was the last person on earth that you would vote for, then had it not been for the change in the Labor leadership, he would be your Prime Minister for the next TWELVE years, as it would take that time for the Labor Party opposition to recover from the slaughter that they would have experienced on 14 September 2013. And just look what the "independents" and the Greens did to the last Parliament!!! You surely wouldn't want to ever see them having control of our government again? Surely not!!
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:48pm
    Independents saved this country from the Mad Monk, thank God.
    G.P.
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:17pm
    Well said David - I totally agree
    Pensioner
    2nd Jul 2013
    2:50pm
    The only party that has looked after the Pensioners is the Labor Party.We need them in power as the Liberals only look after wealthy.I wonder if Abbott had asked for a donation if David would have been quick to knock . i think not.
    HOLA
    6th Jul 2013
    3:45pm
    Too true. All Parties ask for donations so why is David so livid ?
    biedronka
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:11pm
    Don't want mr abbott as prime minister either he creeps me out yuck why was mr.Turnbull tossed out
    slapsy
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:53pm
    Because Abbott stabbed him in the back.

    2nd Jul 2013
    3:13pm
    GOVTS look after pensioners for the law says they must....and politicians would be hypocrites if they did not, when you see the amount of salary they earn and the amount of Superannuation they'll get. NO politician ever went without, you can be sure of that.

    2nd Jul 2013
    3:15pm
    I could have been a politician or a second hand car salesman but I did not want to embark of a life of crime
    yippie
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:26pm
    Looks like some people are going to make a donation to the NIGERIANS Just send me your money.We AUSSIES are real dumb.Good one DAVID
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    5:27pm
    We Australians are NOT dumb yippie, speak only for yourself.

    It is you that appears to believe our Corporate (Foreign) Owned Media (Murdoch and his cronies) who are classified as the one of the most misogynist media in the western world (attacking Gillard, personally and relentlessly) AND who have NOT told Australians how well off we are and how well we are doing under labor.

    You ever considered the possibility that they may be TOTALLY biased.... they are self-regulated and do sit on their own disciplinary board, you know. They also stand to ensure money flows into their pockets and not out of it, if their marionette (Abbott) gets in. BUT hey, we all know that the wealthy elite do things for Australia ONLY and never line their own pockets... they are not GREEDY, POWER HUNGRY, or SELF CENTRED. NO, they give and give until it hurts.

    Also, tell my why it is NEWS or an article written, that the labor party (or Rudd if you MUST personalise it) are asking for donations??? When ALL parties are asking for donations.
    Sylvia
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:29pm
    It is amazing how every one gets away from the point David was making ...... that Mr Rudd had a Ruddy cheek asking people for money, so that they can keep on hoodwinking us all ! why doesn't he ask his wife for a donation? she is very wealthy! Surely they waste enough of our taxes as it is.
    Misty
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:43pm
    Why did the Liberal Party also send out emails asking for donations?, after all they have Gina Rinehart and Twiggy Forrester in their pockets along with big business to look after them.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:15pm
    Well said, as per normal, Misty.
    Lady Tracey
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:31pm
    I must point out that if by supporting Ms Gillards usurping of Mr Rudd in the first place three years ago then it is the public who is hypocritical in not supporting his return. Mr Rudd was de throned, incorrectly. WE the people, or at least the majority vote elected him as our prime minister then we all sat back and 'allowed' Julia Gillard to de throne him in the way that was far worse than the way he has just re entered the top job!!
    If anyone should have the fingers pointed at them and stand at the very head of the usurping line its Ms GIllard followed by most Australians!! We forgive people who have done far worse than to 'reclaim' his originally elected seat! Ohhh such limited memories we all have :( shame shame shame.. Bottom line is that he is and was our genuinely elected prime minister, whether you voted for him last time or not, dont murder the guy just because caucus put him back where he belongs..vote for who you think is right for your vote but dont be hypocrites in doing so! Stop the 'blame' rhetoric and get on with voting when the time is right..Im ashamed of how I hear others talk about politicians and who has done wrong to whom. Lets all get over it, get on with it and get back to being Australian's who support each other when things are tough & who used to only say something when they had something nice to say.... this was once the best country in the world, I fear we are not such a nice country nowadays :(
    Golfer
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:38pm
    The political party members choose who will be their leader, not the australian electorate. Labor chose Rudd to lead them.
    Rudd screwed up so they ditched him and they chose Gillard.
    Gillard, for all her GOOD points did poorly in the polls so she was ditched.
    Rudd was resurrected by the party members, despite the party knowing he is an incompetent oaf, purely because they saw him as improving their chances of survival.

    Now I ask you is that the way to run a country?
    MITZY
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:59pm
    Lady Tracey: Kevin07 was dethroned in his first term of office. The 2010 election saw a hung parliament in which Abbott and Gillard were tied 72 or 73 seats each. After the election it took 17 days of Abbott and Gillard negotiating with the three independents and one Greens candidate to form a Labor Goverment. Katter abstained from voting and the W.A. independent (a supporter of the Coalition) voted for the Coalition. Gillard on her own did not stick a knife in Rudd's back and today Rudd did not stick a knife in Gillard's back. Both were de-throned by the Labor Party/Caucus etc. driven by the wretched polls (which should be done away with). Who needs polls to make up one's mind? We never used to have them before the digital media went mad.
    Dear Lady Tracey: Is that a current picture of you? If so, you look too young to be commenting on the Senior's website for the Over 50's !!!!!
    Indy_Lopos
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:35pm
    No Labor or Green politician deserves our money to waste it.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:17pm
    Again, where did they waste this money?

    They intrinsically planned Australia's moves for combatting the GFC and did a brilliant job. Australia is on top of the world in economic management of our affairs.

    Our benefits and services are amongst the highest and our taxes are amongst the lowest.

    Our economy is blooming? What more do you want........sheez
    Indy_Lopos
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:37pm
    Labor's waste of money(often manipulated by Greens), has made Australia uncompetitive with more jobs going overseas than ever before. Supposedly to help the environment - but without the biggest polluters like China and America acting first, all that the Carbon tax has done is make more of us lose our jobs to people like the Indians.
    And the latest is that we, as taxpayers, are now paying for murderous abortion drugs. I definitely want no part in murdering innocent lives whether by drugs or by operations. And that is just as sample of Kevin's morality.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:23pm
    Rubbish..... who wants to compete with China, Taiwan, etc. We have no hope of ever doing that.

    Investing in a brilliant internet system (NBN), innovation, HIGHER standards of PUBLIC EDUCATION of our kids, and increasing our IT knowledge/skills, is more important AND that is what Labor is doing.

    Not like Murdoch's party who want to put us 20 years behind the rest of the world with their defunct internet system (NFN) which is already out of date and is not able to be updated, so is a $29 billion THROW AWAY ITEM. Talk about waste of money and unable to grasp where our economy needs to go, just because Murdoch will lose heaps of money if we all have a FREE Labor's NBN.
    Mike
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:40pm
    Kevin Rudd was asked several weeks ago what his plans were, and he said he would do anything and everything possible to keep Tony Abbott out. That made me very angry, who the hell does he think he is. Abbott is twice the man he is. He didnt say anything positive for the future of Australia. He is self centered and cannot be trusted.
    Julia made a fatal mistake in forming a coalition with the greens, who nearly ruined this fine country, and that is the main reason for her unpopularity, replacing her with Rudd is an even bigger mistake.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:34pm
    Keeping Tony Abbott (Murdoch's marionette) OUT is essential.

    He will crucify this country which has been taken to the top of the world under Labor's (that is Rudd & Gillard) well laid out plans and strategies.

    Murdoch will lose lots of money if Labor's NBN goes ahead, so his little helper (Abbott) will do anything to gain office and will EVEN put Australia 20 years behind the rest of the world and discard Labor's NBN and put in a $29billion throw away item - it is already out of date and cannot be upgraded. Canada is currently pulling up Abbott's NFN and putting in Labor's NBN, so is the UK and the USA - to people who can afford it, where as in Aust. it is free and will pay for itself and then generate money by 2034).

    So, the bottom line is that Abbott is prepared to SELL OUT Australia, just to please MURDOCH and gain the office of PM.

    So, NO Mike, I will NOT be voting for that fool and I think it ESSENTIAL that the Libs do not get into power, at this particular time. When the NBN has been fully implemented and other plans fulfilled, maybe but certainly NOT NOW.

    We can afford Murdoch's self interested plans for Australia, just yet .... if ever.

    2nd Jul 2013
    3:50pm
    Elmer Rudd, Elmer Fudd, Daffy Rudd, Tony Rabbit, Abbott Rudd..wait there I'll get it right in a minute, Bugs Abbott...AHHHHHHH.....Kevin Tony?..mmmmm....YOSEMITE SAM...at last.
    slapsy
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:00pm
    Why do you try to influence my vote when you say that you don't vote?
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:22pm
    OH someone who is going to vote for YOSEMITE SAM..the sight of him on the bow of any ship, with his guns blazing will be enough to deter the boat people
    HOLA
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:40pm
    PIXAPD -- i think it's time for your little red pills, off you go.
    lyn eden
    2nd Jul 2013
    3:56pm
    David and Kaye, I am not sure where you are both coming from. You appear to be labor voters but your remarks are very anti labor but definitely not Liberal. Julie Gillard knifed Kevin Rudd in the back and to you that seem acceptable. Julia was the one who called for a vote on the leadership, Kevin stepped up to the plate and the caucus voted for him as they believed he could bring the Labor party to the arena to fight the Liberal/National Party. The current polls are reflecting that this was the right move. so really you have got to either be for the Labor party or totally agin them, and start promoting the Liberal/National Party. I thought "your life choices" was an independent view of what is happening within the world and how it might impact us senior members, not a political statement. Getting disappointed with what I am reading over the last few weeks.

    2nd Jul 2013
    4:06pm
    " 'tis this a dagger I see before me, or in my back".........what went around came around...so Julia got the favour returned

    HOWEVER in the above pic of Kevin Rudd, you can see by his posture that HE is keeping a lookout for any further knives coming his way.
    MITZY
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:36pm
    PIXAPD: So you say you don't vote. Well then, don't bother commenting here, as we are all voters and entitled. I have a relative who doesn't vote but she made one rule many years ago and has stuck by it. If by accident I mention something political she indicates to me that she has no comment. She doesn't read anything political or listen to anything political, she just tunes out.

    You are entitled to the government age pension of $808.40 as I presume you have worked during your life-time, paid your taxes, and are entitled to it. I presume the $931.00 you indicate you receive in pension is $808.40 plus $122.60 rent assistance, which makes the total of $931 you mention you receive.

    For someone who profers so much religion on this website, you don't need to rub salt in the wounds of people less fortunate than yourself by boasting and patting yourself on the back about the fact that you can save $600 per month from your pension.
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    9:22am
    A person cannot comment if they do not vote ? what complete and utter nonsense ..... indeed a notion from reprobate minds...not dissimilar to the thinking of the Third Reich...for whenever someone had a thought they were taken out and shot...too bad you lot cannot shoot me....but given time.... you never know.
    MITZY
    3rd Jul 2013
    1:19pm
    PIXAPD/TASKID: I've answered you somewhere else regarding "Reprobate Minds" and do not intend to repeat myself again. As to Third Reich thinking not even worth a comment. Don't cast these aspersions on me.
    MITZY
    3rd Jul 2013
    1:30pm
    PIXAPD/TASKID: There is a book you should read before casting aspersions.
    It's called: "FRAUEN: GERMAN WOMEN RECALL THE THIRD REICH":
    Anonymous
    4th Jul 2013
    2:01pm
    I imagine you folks would be happy for MIEN KAMPF to be used in Parliament instead of the Bible
    Anonymous
    5th Jul 2013
    10:31am
    Poor old Egyptian.....not too good with figures...the pension is 773.70 a fortnight,
    ah well back to the drawing board
    nitzka
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:37pm
    david...agree with you all the way.........No "bickies" from me......Its a great shame,this new found enthusiasm by Rudd, was missing, when it counted during Julias reign....The undermining wrecker, needed to show this side ,as support,and the polls would not have been so disastrous ......we now face an election of two super egos ,that the majority of the public detest..... the record for the highest number of informal votes, is what we will encounter, this time round......with a debate later to follow,whether our system should abolish compulsory voting....

    2nd Jul 2013
    4:38pm
    I give my charity dollars to animal causes, not politicians. But quite apart from that fact, what registered with me as I read David's letter, was how souped up he is in the soap opera around pollie personalities and who did what to whom when. Can we as a public please get over our obsession with the personal and focus instead on POLICY, after all, that is what government is about - governing for the people - and it's our job to determine via our vote how we want to be governed. It's becoming like 'Days Of Our Lives' - not good for any of us!

    There were things I liked and didn't like about Julia Gillard. I didn't like how she watered down the Mining Super Profits Tax and I didn't like how she refused to support same sex marriage. But over all I think she did a very good job in very difficult circumstances. There are things I like and dislike about Kevin Rudd. He does communicate well with the people (unlike Julia who tried to be "too nice" and dignified and so lost the ability to convey an earthy sincerity) and he does have a formidable intelligence. He is not faction oriented, a good thing IMO. But he really fouled his own nest when he was PM last time with his controlling nature and I remember not liking his gadding around the world virtually non stop at that time. I am willing to believe that he has learned from his mistakes in the past. More importantly, I think the Labor Party has learned about the ways they colluded to allow him to run a one man show while at the same time resenting him for it. If he tries the same thing again I think they will be down on him like a ton of bricks. We all learn from life experience, that's how our psyches evolve.

    While I endorse David's final 2 sentences (I intend to vote Green) people still need to think about where they are directing their preferences, and when they do, I ask you please to deeply consider policy and how it will affect your life and our country.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    8:09pm
    Excellent and intelligent comment Robiconda.

    I'm afraid I simply couldn't contain myself on this one and let loose a bit. I am glad of your comment...it counteracts my unfettered response.
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    2:41am
    Please don't ever fetter yourself Mussitate. I like your style.
    Thanks for the compliment.
    Golfer
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:40pm
    The political party members choose who will be their leader, not the australian electorate. Labor chose Rudd to lead them.
    Rudd screwed up so they ditched him and they chose Gillard.
    Gillard, for all her GOOD points did poorly in the polls so she was ditched.
    Rudd was resurrected by the party members, despite the party knowing he is an incompetent oaf, purely because they saw him as improving their chances of survival.

    Now I ask you is that the way to run a country?
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    8:13pm
    You may not like him BUT in is certainly NOT incompetent or an oaf. The economic plans and processes that he put in place in the short time that he held the reigns (short, medium and long term) where followed by Gillard.

    That is why Australia is on top of the world economically.

    No, you don't have to like him BUT you should give him and the labor party credit for not only steering us through the horrors that other countries are experiencing but putting us in the best position of any country, ever.... in the world's history. This done during the GFC....really, really amazing management, no just good!
    Abbie C:
    2nd Jul 2013
    4:46pm
    Rudd gained a tenuous hold on the Prime Ministership by parroting everything the opposition proposed. 'We can do that too!' was always his response. Of course, they will not be silly enough to release their policies to Rudd. Nevertheless we enjoyed many years of effective government under the LNP and by comparison very few under the ALP, so as a person who once said they would never vote for Abbott I have decided that he is a far better alternative to the self-indulgent, juvenile 'look at me' Kev! Rudd will be LAST on my ballot paper!
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:38pm
    Problem is, Murdoch's party and his marionette, will do nothing for Australia, except to fill Murdoch's pockets.

    I will re-iterate my comment above:

    That is why Australia is on top of the world economically.

    "you don't have to like him (Rudd) BUT you should give him and the labor party credit for not only steering us through the horrors that other countries are experiencing but putting us in the best position of any country, ever.... in the world's history. This done during the GFC....really, really amazing management, no just good!"

    FACT.....if you go outside of Australia, who is the envy of the world, you will hear about this but the silence from our Corporate (foreign) Owned Media is deafening.

    2nd Jul 2013
    5:10pm
    As HOLA stated earlier, who is David? And how come he got one of these letters and I didn't? And as Yorkie stated, how did Kevin Rudd get our email addresses? Did anyone apart from "David" receive one of these emails?
    dippity
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:42pm
    David Fallick, my guess would be hubby of Kaye, and no I didn't get the Labor begging letter, but one from Libs turned up the day after I clicked a link to look at their booklet
    elcoba
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:18pm
    That's the way to go, Abbie C. Bloody cheek Rudd, Abbott as well
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:41pm
    Cheek? For what, putting Australia on the map economically, as a model of how to handle a world crippling GFC. Australia is flying high!

    There is more and worse GFC to come and I certainly do not want Murdoch's little helper in charge, he will simply let Murdoch fill his pockets and let the rest of Australia, go to hell.
    retroy
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:39pm
    I agree David is partly right and entirely right about Rudd not so sure about the integrity of the previous incumbent with the unresolved missing lawyer money and the repeated lies to the electorate.

    A vote for the greens is a wasted vote so why not over come your anti and illogical bias and give Tony a go.

    He will be great when he gets the keys.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:44pm
    Why? Abbott has already shown that he is Murdoch's marionette and since when did Murdoch do anything for Australia, except fill his pockets.

    Labor managed the first and second wave of the GFC brilliantly, Australia has side stepped both waves with ease (just about the only nation to do so), so why would be put in Murdoch's little helper, simply to sell us down the drain to Murdoch and his cronies?????
    ricks12
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:40pm
    Congrats David and Kaye. You've encouraged people who are thoughtful enough to read/subscribe to this cosmopolitan e-zine to become sufficiently motivated to think and talk from the heart about issues important to them. I believe we all need to think very carefully about who and what we vote for. Forums like this can help to clarify our ideas and understand and appreciate the diversity of views.
    Mar
    2nd Jul 2013
    5:45pm
    Thank you David, put very succinctly. Absolutely agree. Mar.

    2nd Jul 2013
    7:25pm
    What a wonderfully BIASED way to get a poll that supports what you WANT DAVID.

    Go with a full hog DIATRIBE against someone and then ask if people like that person.....

    Of course you will get the response that YOU want (I think we have all seen this tactic from the "Yes, Minister" UK show).

    If someone was to give a POSITIVE account of the GOOD that RUDD has done (whose plans and hard word do you think that GILLARD was following??!!), you would have got a pole that was exactly the opposite.

    I sincerely HOPE that you are NOT going to declare the results of this TOTALLY BIASED POLE as representative.

    Besides, I voted (and my partner on our iPad) and noticed that the number of votes did not increase... is the pole closed or is there a limit on the number of Yes votes, recorded.

    Would you NOW like to talk about what the OPPOSITION has to offer DAVID!!!! Or don't you want to go there..... I understand if you don't, because there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON OFFER to improve Australia and ONLY dribblings to destroy our egalitarian society and to FEED the wealthy.

    Soooooooo.... the only thing left for you is to attack RUDD. A distraction from the pathetic and under achieving contributions by the liberal party and Murdoch's marionette - Abbott.

    That all you got DAVID. Afraid you will have to do a lot better than that.
    HOLA
    3rd Jul 2013
    10:06am
    I voted six times and noticed, like you Mussitate, the grid did not move. Something
    fishy going on?
    Boof
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:38pm
    Who is David? What a lot of bullshit, you people go on with.The media has been runninbg the country for the last three years. Lets get on now. With the truth. Do you negative people really know the Rudd family? Do you understand what the Labor Party has done in the last three years? I have been around for awhile. (70) Have been through a few elections. The last three years have disgusted me, with Mr. NO TO EVERYTHING in opposition. That is a NO to Australia. OK. Argue about things that matter, but why go down the path of just disrespecting the P.M. and the Government and Australia. Couldn't they at least GO for the good things. (which has happened, by the way). I can't imagine a
    Australia, under this, selfish person, in Abbott, If they had of let the Malaysian bill go through, that would have stopped the boats. But NO NO. Hold on to your hats AGED PENSIONERS, if it happens.
    HOLA
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:42pm
    That's it Boof, give 'em the Biff!!!!
    HOLA
    3rd Jul 2013
    10:13am
    The Liberal Party want to treat all others like mushrooms, Keep them in the dark
    and feed them full of shit.
    Snow
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:40pm
    Oh! The right hand does not know what the left hand is doing...

    But not with ol' Kev.

    Right hand the dagger!!! Left hand in my pocket... NOT BLOODY LIKELY!!!!!

    And as a pensioner he'd be a magician if he found any money there for I cant and you can rest assured that I am not Green either.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    7:48pm
    Don't worry Snow, if the Libs get in, you will probably get food stamps, that is what happens in the US and that is where the Libs want us to go.

    WikiLeaks Party is strongly for Open and Accountable Governments, if you don't like the others, this one is an option for you.

    2nd Jul 2013
    7:45pm
    Now on to the so called begging letter.

    The Greens are asking for money, WikiLeaks Party are asking for money, the LIBERAL Party are asking for money (even though their coffers are filled with BIG BUSINESS contributions), and YES, the LABOR Party are asking for money.

    How very unusual and how typically biased and pathetic of you DAVID to bring that up and make a big noisy negative about it. Would you prefer RUDD to go to BIG BUSINESS and make behind door deals, as the Liberal Party are doing!!!!!

    NO, Labor would prefer to ask the people, so that they can do what is best for the AVERAGE AUSTRALIAN, rather than BIG BUSINESS.....THAT is what OBAMA, the President of the USA does, to counteract BIG BUSINESS money that is pouring into the Republican's coffers.

    I even got a request to donate to OBAMA's many causes..... money is needed over there to encourage democrats to vote with their own party instead getting money off big business to feed their constituency! IS THAT REALLY HOW YOU WANT THIS COUNTRY TO OPERATE...DAVID.

    So, DAVID, you don't want an equal playing field ..... you don't want Labor to have the same amount of campaigning money as Liberal. Hell...the LIBS already have Corporate (foreign) owned Media onside AND they still can't FOOL the Australian PUBLIC.

    That's one BIG reason why Liberals are proposing to destroy our public education.... Australians are TOO SMART.... they want to DUMB us down (as has been done to the people of the USA).

    I for one, do NOT want that utter imbecile Rinehart and her mate Murdoch, running this country, so that they can pay less tax and fill their pockets with our tax money.

    My answer is, DONATE like hell, PEOPLE, fight big business and tell Rinehart and Murdoch to get out of our faces!
    Golfer
    2nd Jul 2013
    8:19pm
    Now that's what I call running off at the mouth. You just keep voting for Labor; your lunacy matches their motives.
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:49pm
    Gra

    I usually give people I haven't dealt with before, one warning - if you want to personally insult people, fine, but expect it back in many doses.

    Hence, this one you get away with but your next one will ensure that I commence to "play" which I might add, I enjoy immensely.

    Remember for future comments: If you can't take it, make sure you don't fling it!!
    Golfer
    3rd Jul 2013
    9:43am
    Mussitate,

    How very threatening.

    Didn't you just say "if you can't take it, make sure you don't fling it"?
    retroy
    3rd Jul 2013
    1:42pm
    Here is your warning then !
    You have insulted me with your one eyed rants.
    Look at the mess Obama has made of America and he was a lefty like you and Rudd.
    I'm not sure what part labor had in the GFC crisis other than over spending the nest egg that John Howard and Costello left for them.
    A lot of money was wasted and that is why we are going back wards and need a fresh business approach.
    Incidentally Murdoch's interests in Australia are miniscule compared to world scene.
    Snow
    2nd Jul 2013
    9:12pm
    Mussitate,obviously you are a well travelled pensioner who speaks from a depth of experience. Tell me how did you manage to carry your luggage with both hands in your pockets???
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:52pm
    Easy Snow, I am a professional in business, so it is easy but that doesn't stop me from wanting the best for others.
    Ritza
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:42pm
    Well.....
    if Kevin had backers like Gina R ( 15th richest person in the world) then he would not have to ask.


    This forum appears to express very pro-liberal attitudes.

    Would it be possible to have someone analyse Tony A's policies?

    I would like to know how he is going to turn the refugee boats back?

    No one has commented on Julie Bishop living (in sin) with with a man not her husband.
    Nor her fine work for Hardies
    Any takers?
    Anonymous
    2nd Jul 2013
    10:55pm
    Corporate (foreign) Owned Media is silent on all the points you raised Ritza.

    Murdoch and his cronies have a vested interest in Abbott and what he can do for them.
    retroy
    3rd Jul 2013
    1:50pm
    Open the other eye if you want to malign Julie Bishop.

    The previous PM was "living in sin" too.

    Give Tony a go, and get the country back on an even keel steaming ahead.
    wally
    2nd Jul 2013
    11:29pm
    Hi Musso, I would just love to donate to help the Earwax Kid get what he deserves, but the inflationary consequences caused by his insistence in pushing the carbon tax has placed a serious dent in my financial circumstances. As far as your over simplified comment that Australia is on top of the world economically, can you please explain sensibly why Australia must borrow millions of dollars from China on a daily basis to fund the wild spending Rudd put in motion when he convinced himself he was Santa Claus? I find it a childish argument to blame everyone from Rupert Murdoch, Gina Reinhardt and Tony Abbott for the mess Australia finds itself in due to the bungling of the Rudd and Gillard Labor governments since Labor won the 2007 election. Do you not believe that Australia has a responsible government for the last 6 years? Or do you absolve Rudd and Gillard for their arrogance and blunders because you say "they mean well and their hearts are in the right place?" Re-electing a Rudd Labor Government in 2013 is tantamount to giving yourself a cancer transplant.
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    1:04am
    wally, me mate
    Maybe you could first explain your statement that we borrow millions of dollars from China? Are you talking of a trade deficit with China, only....Australia would have to get in line behind a great pile of other countries who are ahead of us in that boat.

    Secondly, what wild spending? I know of NO spending that was not a benefit to Australia and which ensured our continued growth and wealth whilst every other country is flailing with the GFC.

    Thirdly, what mess?! If you are talking of the Carbon Tax, it has worked brilliantly. Polluters are upgrading their infrastructure and investing in research and innovation to reduce carbon emissions. We the people have been well and truly compensated, so we don't pay extra and it hasn't damaged us overseas or at home. Countries abroad are looking to our system and using it as a model for their own country.

    Compare that to Abbott's proposal and it is embarrassing..this is it, straight from Abbott's mouth....we will tax the people for their energy use and at the end of the year, at tax time we will give it back to the people??????? All that administration and red tape for.... what exactly? What part makes polluters pay for their messing up this wonderful country or makes them upgrade their infrastructure or invest or innovate to reduce carbon emissions. What use at all is it, other than to give jobs to a new group of public servants, to administer it? How really embarrassing is that!

    You seem to have simply flung in some lines that are merely innuendo, smoke and mirrors, that make NO sense and say absolutely NOTHING.

    Simply tell me wally, what will Rinehart and Murdoch possibly do that will be for the sole benefit of Australia and NOT their own pockets.

    Just look at Murdoch's party stance on Labor's NBN, brilliant system that is good for Australia, will last over 60 years because it can be updated, that because of the speeds will pay for itself by 2034 and then generate money thereafter, FREE to every household.

    Unfortunately, Murdoch will lose millions if it is introduced, so his Lib Party will SACRIFICE Australia and introduce a $29 Billion throw away item which will delay and put back Australia 20 years.

    This substandard joke of a system can NOT be updated (except for some fibre patchwork that will cost each and every households over $5000 to install IF they can afford it) and doesn't take into consideration the considerable cost of the very, very old copper wiring that Telstra are looking forward to flogging off, nor the annul millions that it will cost to maintain. Nor will it pay for itself because the speeds are way to low to generate income, it would take 60 years and Murdoch's party preferred NFN system is OUT of DATE already, so would not last that long and have to be pulled out and done again but with Labor's NBN. Canada is currently doing just that, pulling out Liberals NFN and putting in Labor's NBN, so is the UK and the USA - only difference is that it costs in other countries.

    Now tell me again how Murdoch and Rinehart's party are going to improve Australia when we are already at the very top of the world.
    Abbie C:
    3rd Jul 2013
    1:19am
    I thought Rupert Murdoch died!
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    3:33am
    Mussitate....restraint....some dignity.....stop thinking of champagne and parties....

    Okay, I am now in a fit state to say. No he is not dead..that's it, can't add anything further without being terribly, terribly.... well simply terrible.
    FEDUP
    3rd Jul 2013
    7:18am
    No that was his beautiful Mother, a real human being and a lady
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    5:07pm
    FEDUP
    See, we can agree on things even when you think that ALL parties EXCEPT the labor party (eerrhh Rudd, if you prefer to personalise it) are allowed to ask for donations.

    Your words ......"his Mother was beautiful and a real human being"... I agree.
    FEDUP
    3rd Jul 2013
    7:16am
    I would like to make two comments.
    1) Who is paying for the stamps that K. Rudd is sending out, if it is the Prime Ministers office, then WE ARE PAYING FOR THESE LETTERS.
    2) DAVID FOR PRIME MINISTER!
    ourjeffie
    3rd Jul 2013
    9:08am
    I have news for you FEDUP ...

    Stamps are not required on emails :)
    HOLA
    3rd Jul 2013
    10:22am
    You people are terrific, I've never laughed so much for a long time. Keep it up!!
    wally
    3rd Jul 2013
    9:56am
    Hi again, Musso. Your question regarding Australia's financial arrangements with China suggest that Australia has not borrowed a sum approaching three trillion dollars to finance Australia's government spending. You mention an Australian trade deficit instead. I would like to see the difference between the value of Australia's mineral exports to China compared to the value of what Australia imports from China. Some homework to do here *. Next, regarding Labor's wild spending. Labor's spending on focus groups and spin doctors appears to have borne bitter fruit for them regarding their failure to score well in recent poll results.
    Spending millions to secure international support to gain a seat on the UN security Council does not seem to have gained Australia anything worthwhile.
    The failure of Labor ministers to appropriately oversee Labor's overpriced building schemes in the B.E.R. resulted in a bonanza for selected "Labor mate" construction companies (Donors) with the construction of, for public schools in Labor governed states, overpriced and inappropriate buildings and giant carports, good to shelter teachers'cars in hail storms.

    Similar failure in allowing haste verging on panic to award contracts without proper checking of applicant qualifications resulted in death, house fires and overspending in the pink batts scheme that cost billions in rectification of shoddy work done by cowboy installers in the first place. Does the $5 billion cost involved in the care and feeding of boat people ($5 billion diverted away from hospitals, pensioner health and dental schemes) represent sensible spending?
    Then we have the Ruddster's gift to the nation, the "Never-ending Blowout" NBN scheme. Are any of our correspondents connected to the NBN? (If so, could they comment on their experience with it regarding service provided and value for money?) Again, failure to supervise contractors in replacing cables has created an asbestos scare which will will cause further delay and expense in NBN implementation. How many of us oldies will be around in 2034 to savour the benefits of the NBN anyway? The Carbon tax will make electricity too expensive to run computers, so it will be a dead issue. (Unless we have Nuclear power plants producing electricity.)
    If Australia has coped better than any other country with the GFC as you say, are you including Germany, China and India?
    When it comes to the "Straw Man" tactic of attacking Tany Abbott by Gillard and Rudd, how insulting to the intelligence to the Australian voter. We have had nearly 6 years to assess what Labor has done to the economy of this country. Cutbacks in spending on Australia's quarantine and customs services have led to a flood of drug and gun smuggling on the wharves, and importation of apple blight and other destructive plant diseases into the country. So the carbon tax is good for us? Good bye manufacturing as jobs go overseas and people lose their jobs. How does that benefit Australia? Where are the "Green Jobs" those on the employment scrap heap going to do? Will they be pulling rickshaws around the streets for rich overseas tourists? The Unions's push for greater influence in Australia results in wages so high it is no longer economically possible to compete with cheaper imports here, let alone in the export market. Good bye jobs.
    As far as Rupert Murdoch is concerned, Australia would only be a pimple on the the backside of his media empire. Who will you whinge about when he dies? At least fair Gina is still in a position to provide jobs for people, including Aborigines, instead of promoting and pursuing Green inspired Red policies that restrict employment policies. We have seen what Rudd and his cronies in Labor have done to Australia. And you tell us that Abbott will be worse??? Please explain how this can be.
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    3:30pm
    wally

    You are mixing Australia up with the USA. The USA has borrowed 1.3 trillion from CHINA.

    Australia doesn't even talk in Trillions, our economy is doing BRILLIANTLY but it is STILL not THAT big.

    NBN is brilliant - for the people (free); for innovation; technology; our hospitals and emergency services; our universities; our schools. Nothing about it is bad, especially when it will PAY FOR ITSELF by about 2034 and then GENERATE INCOME.

    Carbon Tax is working brilliantly AND doesn't cost us, the people, much at all. In fact we were OVER compensated, so we are better off now than BEFORE the carbon tax.

    The decrease in manufacturing because of carbon tax is non-existent BECAUSE our manufacturing exports did NOT operate in areas that could easily be done in places such as China. All those manufacturing areas, have long gone to China, ages ago. You are repeating pure 'scare-mongering' which got that bad, I thought the sky was going to fall in when it was introduced and b*gger me, nothing happened. The sun shone and all was rosy.

    To whether our economy is better than Germany, China and India....Eeerrrrhhh...YES, YES, YES!!!!! Australian's spread the wealth around. ORDINARY Australians are the wealthiest people in the world ...... our standard of living is the highest ...... all the economic criteria that is required to show how well an economy is doing has been ticked. It is the first time in AUSTRALIA's history that ALL the boxes have been ticked at the same time and it is being called a marvel all around the world. It is a first in the world, let alone Australia. FACT.

    "fair" Gina!!???!! Oh! Please that greedy moron IMPORTS her workers under 457 visas because she is too GREEDY and disgusting to pay AUSTRALIAN WORKERS.

    Abbott didn't even admit that there was climate change until the last few months, so has absolutely NO policies in place to engage this area. BUT please tell me WHAT has Rudd and his cronies in Labor have done to Australia in this area.......... particularly, the bit of how Abbott is or will do better?

    I think that should do for now, if you want more... just let me know.
    Oldie84
    3rd Jul 2013
    11:01am
    I think Mussitate is having us on. He delights in stirring the pot.
    A brilliant comedian.
    I bet he'll vote for the Coalition .
    Oldie80 now
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    3:33pm
    Wish I was better at being funny Oldie80 but you make up for that, so all good.

    Nah! Coalition represent the big end of town and that lot never did anything for anyone but themselves. That lot will sell out the rest of us at a blink of the eye and syphon off OUR wealth into their own pockets. Australia is merely a source of wealth and power, at our expense..... just look at what the abject GREED of this lot did to the USA.... brought it down to its knees.
    legin
    3rd Jul 2013
    11:04am
    Anything that will stop Tony Abbott and the Coalition getting into government at the next election I will support, Coalition policies will see privatization steps again in health, education & reduction in spending on infrastructure as Howard did.
    wally
    3rd Jul 2013
    1:27pm
    In the past six years we have seen the Labor government promise to spend on Education (Gonski Scheme )Health (Disability ) and fund infrastructure (In Asia). So when does all of the money Labor has promised in Health and Education begin to flow? What infrastructure projects have Labor said they would build? Are there flood mitigation dams being built in Queensland to save Brisbane and the hinterland of that city from future floods, for one instance. We have seen what Labor has "produced" since 2007. So don't try to scare us about what Gillard and Rudd say Abbott might do. Maybe this "Chicken Little" routine about the sky falling that Labor persists in perpetrating about Tony Abbott is wearing thin with the voting public.
    Anonymous
    3rd Jul 2013
    3:37pm
    wally

    The NBN is one of the biggest infrastructure project the world has seen. Australia is a very, very big country and spread out.

    PUBLIC Health and education has IMPROVED immensely. After the Libs downgraded and turned into basket cases. It take a long time to plug up the syphoning of funds to PRIVATE health and education and put it back into the PUBLIC arena. Labor have only now just got it to the stage it was before Howard.

    3rd Jul 2013
    5:00pm
    Headlines.....

    MALCOLM FRASER is running for the Senate under the Greens banner.....and his reason.... wait for it ..... to stop ABBOTT from gaining control of both houses. AKA... so the Libs cannot SELL OUT Australia.

    How more condemning can a statement be!
    Abbie C:
    3rd Jul 2013
    5:16pm
    It is nearly 40 years since Malcolm Fraser was Prime Minister.

    Much has changed - and Malcolm Fraser has aged.
    He is certainly NOT RUNNING for the Senate.

    He is, however, supporting a South Australian Greens' Senator and will appear at a public forum with her in Adelaide.

    Mussitate - your statement is a leap from the fact.
    Anonymous
    4th Jul 2013
    3:43am
    Arrrhhhh! THANK YOU Abbie C: I knew something was weird!!!!!

    I should have checked myself, I usually do!

    I was told about it just as I was preparing to go out BUT missed the very important word "campaigning" and as I wanted to pass it on before I went, I quickly repeated (what I thought was said) without checking.

    Murphy's Law I think they call it. I always check these things and the only time I didn't I got it wrong!

    THANKS AGAIN Abbie C:
    Abbie C:
    3rd Jul 2013
    5:28pm
    It is nearly 40 years since Malcolm Fraser was first Prime Minister.

    Much has changed - and Malcolm Fraser has aged.
    He is certainly NOT RUNNING for the Senate.

    He is, however, supporting a South Australian Greens' Senator and will appear at a public forum with her in Adelaide.

    Mussitate - your statement is a leap from the fact. (... and I apologise for yesterday's error in stating that I thought Rupert Murdoch had died - clearly I was wrong)!
    Anonymous
    4th Jul 2013
    3:43am
    Arrrhhhh! THANK YOU Abbie C: I knew something was weird!!!!!

    I should have checked myself, I usually do!

    I was told about it just as I was preparing to go out BUT missed the very important word "campaigning" and as I wanted to pass it on before I went, I quickly repeated (what I thought was said) without checking.

    Murphy's Law I think they call it. I always check these things and the only time I didn't I got it wrong!

    THANKS AGAIN Abbie C:
    wally
    3rd Jul 2013
    6:51pm
    I do not think Malcolm Fraser has forgiven John Howard for being the most successful Liberal Prime Minister.(Neither has John Hewson for the same reason, envy of the failied for the successful.) So it is no wonder that the one-time "eminent person". Fraser, (who we can thank for his contribution in placing Robert Mugabe in charge of Zimbabwe all those years ago) suffers from RDD (Relevance Deficit Disorder). His lack of judgement then has not improved since and he has evolved into a bitter and twisted old man Festering away in the back blocks of Victoria. In a way, he reminds me of Tony Windsor in this respect,full of envy and hatred of the co-allition parties..
    DC
    4th Jul 2013
    12:14am
    Thank God for some sane people here, like Wally!!Agree 150% with you and your factual details provided and then some!
    Mussitate is way out of his depth and apart from totally brainwashed by years of Socialist Left propaganda nicely peddled by left wing unions as well. I am horrified by the crap that leaves his mouth, but I have a solution for him: Why not blame Tony and the Conservatives in this country for the GFC and everything else he can think of.
    That should make it easier for him.
    Anonymous
    4th Jul 2013
    4:06am
    Wally

    See my apology above, I misheard what was said about Malcolm Fraser and as I was on my way out sent off an unchecked statement. See Abbie C:'s comment above, it corrects things nicely.

    DC

    No DC, simply a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of fate and your verbatim verbosity. The valourous visitation of bygone vexation stands vilified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and villain, vermin, van guarding, vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violations by such as you, my little intelligentsia.

    Bored now... goodnight
    Pardelope
    4th Jul 2013
    3:04am
    I am not happy with any of the current or potential leaders of any of the Parties. I think the people behind the scenes wield the real power. I think they say to ambitious politicians "this is your only chance to become Leader or PM - take it now or forget it". They then sit quietly in the background controlling the purse-strings and manipulating the real decision making - and if things go wrong, their heads do not roll. If the "chosen one" ceases to fulfill their needs, it is "off with his/her head". That person becomes the whipping boy, whilst the same old power games go on.

    True democracy is dying in Australia (if it ever really existed). A more American presidential form is growing - controlled by big money and faceless men. Freedom of the press, privacy, and an equal playing field are fantasies of the past.

    I am disgusted with the behaviour exhibited by our politicians in and out of parliament. I am disgusted at the crude, nasty "playing the man/woman" tactics which are being used in the media and on the internet. Whatever you think of an incumbent PM, the position they hold should be treated with respect. I am glad I won't be on this planet in 20 or 30 years time as our "civilization" is in its death throes

    I support most (but not all) of the methods and aims of the non-profit "Get Up!" organisation. They are trying to get action without all the Party Politics. Take a look at their website www.getup.org.au and -

    "The video GetUp members are loving - explaining what issues we'll be fighting for and how we're going to make a difference this election? Just click on the link below".
    www.getup.org.au/vision2013
    wscifers
    4th Jul 2013
    4:34pm
    Comments about health and education funding should be tempered by recognising that public facilities in these areas are state responsibilities. That said, unless the Commonwealth attaches "strings" or conditions to the funds they supply, improvement cannot be guaranteed. Social engineers have placed so many specious politically correct programs in school curriculum that time spent in improving numeracy and literacy is reduced due to the demands made on the school day by "Nanny State" requirements.
    Anonymous
    4th Jul 2013
    5:23pm
    Why is the federal govt interfering in state responsibilities the states are underfunded a d the federal govt is overfunded that is why they indulge in waste
    Why have a federal education dept that runs no schools this money should be spent on schools not beurocrats.
    Anonymous
    4th Jul 2013
    5:24pm
    We have a thread where we discuss this problem and possible solutions

    4th Jul 2013
    5:38pm
    Master Electricians Australia chief executive Malcolm Richards said it first raised safety concerns with the government during the scheme's initial rollout, and criticised the program for being implemented too fast without adequate safeguards.

    Ms Bishop said Labor was warned in writing about the risks to property and human life of rolling out the pink batts scheme so quickly.

    "And these warnings were ignored by the Rudd government," she told reporters in Perth.

    "Kevin Rudd must explain how it is that these warnings, which led in four instances to the loss of life, how it is that they were ignored."

    Tony Abbott recently resumed pressure on Mr Rudd to release warning letters about the "pink batts" scheme written to him in 2009 by then-environment minister, Peter Garrett.

    The Opposition Leader wrote to the newly restored Mr Rudd last week, noting that the home insulation program was a low point in his previous administration, costing four lives and leaving a trail of wreckage, including more than 220 house fires, more than 1000 potentially electrified roofs, 240,000 dangerous or sub-standard insulation jobs and a $1 billion cost blowout.

    Mr Abbott noted that the opposition's environment spokesman, Greg Hunt, had asked Mr Rudd in parliament on Thursday if he had apologised to those affected.

    Mr Hunt also asked Mr Rudd to release warning letters sent to him by Mr Garrett.

    Mr Rudd responded that any industrial death was a death too many. He said the four deaths had caused enormous grief to loved ones.
    Pardelope
    4th Jul 2013
    7:37pm
    Subjects guaranteed to create anger and dissent - sex and politics. Politics has been rife with both recently.

    Voting for or against a Party because you don't "like" an individual (chosen by their fellow politicians - and the voters of only ONE electorate seat) is childish and short-sighted. Your vote should go to the Party which has policies you most closely agree with, and which you think is capable of achieving at least some of them.

    Any Australian who does not vote is being irresponsible. They are willing to accept the benefits of living in a democracy, but are unwilling to put some thought and effort toward preventing vocal and well-organized minorities from taking over running the circus. Compulsory voting is essential to at least get some of these complacent and lazy citizens to think for a few seconds about their future.

    If you are against a particular Party, but don't know how to vote - use one of their "how to vote" cards - but reverse the order of candidates they recommend.

    To retain my (much valued) right to a secret vote, I politely take "how to vote" cards from ALL Parties when I enter the polling centre. I do not tell anyone how I am voting. I take my rights and obligations seriously.
    Not Amused
    4th Jul 2013
    10:27pm
    Who would give Kevin Rudd one cent, not me.

    Today's Coroner's report into Kevin Rudd's spendathon pink batt outrage and the young Aussie lives lost is a blight on tyrant Rudd's reign over us.

    Well we heard it tonight on the 7.30 Report, directly from the sorrowed and brave Mr and Mrs Fuller who told Australians that Rudd had never apologised and he couldn't even remember their son's name.

    Mrs Fuller said she would just like Rudd to disappear. Mr Fuller was visibly distressed.

    I can't imagine how they get up every day and continue on but they have not stopped in their quest for answers and it seems they have many answers. Some people are suggesting they should sue Rudd.

    Rudd doesn't need our money, he needs our collective boot fair up his big egotistical rear end.
    Monty
    5th Jul 2013
    8:59am
    Good Lord, so much to-ing and frow-ing. Simply put; Labour or Liberal. It is the PARTY we are voting for. I would not a Liberal government. As to the leader, well say what you will but I would not p.... on Abbott if he was on fire.
    Oldie84
    5th Jul 2013
    10:53am
    Tut, Tut, Monty

    5th Jul 2013
    10:23am
    Ending the WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY and introduction of multiculturalism.....ended this country.

    No boat people would got through the door in the good old days of the White Australia Policy
    Ecstatic Cyclist
    7th Jul 2013
    6:33pm
    Why do you describe yourself as a Christian? I would have thought racist and bigot would be closer to the mark.

    5th Jul 2013
    10:47am
    Christians are NOT to borrow, they OWE nothing, no debts for them, nor do they go guarantor for those with a debt....Those who borrow are the slave of the lender

    7th Jul 2013
    3:16pm
    Isen't David Fallick the CEO of The Bank of America,could be wrong?
    Ecstatic Cyclist
    7th Jul 2013
    6:43pm
    Read and digest what Mussitate writes. It makes a lot of sense
    wally
    8th Jul 2013
    1:01pm
    Hi Leigh, I like your logo. Judging from your endorsement of Mussitate's bigotted, biased and delusional rants, one might suggest you have beaten your head on your desk once too often. Hope rationality returns as you regain your senses.
    DC
    8th Jul 2013
    1:28pm
    What a super response, Wally. Could not have commented any better!!
    Oldie84
    8th Jul 2013
    2:45pm
    Hip Hip Hurrah, Wally


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