Labor are new favourites

The most rapid recovery ever achieved by a Federal Opposition after losing an election

Labor are new favourites
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The first Fairfax Neilson poll since the September Federal Election has shown that the Australian Labor Party (ALP) has made a rapid recovery, with the Opposition now leading in the two-party preferred numbers 52–48 per cent. This is the most rapid recovery ever achieved by a Federal Opposition after losing an election.

Tony Abbott is still ahead of Bill Shorten as preferred prime minister, at 49–41 per cent, however, Mr Shorten has a much higher net approval rating. Mr Shorten has a 51 per cent approval rating and a 30 per cent disapproval rating, leaving him up 21 points and making his debut the strongest of any Opposition leader since Kevin Rudd in the lead up to the ’07 election.

The poll was made up of 1400 respondents across the country, and was undertaken from Thursday to Saturday last week. The results have an error margin of 2.6 per cent.

Fairfax Neilson Poll results

Coalition

Labor

Two-party preferred

48 per cent

52 per cent

 

Approve

Disapprove

Uncommitted

Prime Minister’s performance

47 per cent

46 per cent

8 per cent

Opposition leader’s performance

51 per cent

30 per cent

19 per cent

 

Tony Abbott

Bill Shorten

Uncommitted

Men prefer

53 per cent

39 per cent

8 per cent

Women prefer

45 per cent

43 per cent

12 per cent

Read more at The Age website.


Opinion: I’m not surprised

Australians, in general, appreciate honesty, straightforward answers and kept promises. These shouldn’t be difficult to come by, either. But they do seem to be the three areas in which the Coalition Government has fallen down, so I’m not surprised that its ratings have dropped through the floor.

While it was in opposition, the Coalition talked about its stance on a number of issues. Stopping the boats was a big part of the Coalition election campaign in 2013. Since being elected to government, the Coalition has eliminated open discussion about boat arrivals, choosing instead to deliver a weekly briefing which may or may not include all relevant information. This secrecy has upset many who believe in honesty and openness, especially when it comes to issues which directly affect Australians.

Until recently, however, it was possible that the Abbott Government would make good on its election promise to ‘stop the boats’. With Prime Minister Abbott’s recent refusal to apologise for spying undertaken by Australia’s secret service on the Indonesian Government, this seems unlikely, as Indonesia has now ceased military and police assistance to Australia on people smuggling. To refer back to the polls, 50 per cent of Australians disapprove of the way the government is handling its ‘stop the boats’ policy.

Prior to the election, the Coalition also campaigned against spending. It declared that the answer to debt is never more debt. And yet now the Government is seeking an unprecedented $200 billion increase to the national debt ceiling. Confused? You are not alone.

And finally, the Government has given some very unconvincing commitments to action combatting global warming, despite 87 per cent of Australians believing that the target of a five per cent reduction in emissions by 2020 is either about right or too low.

So far the Coalition Government has proved itself secretive, changeable and unable to keep election promises. So no, I’m not surprised by these poll results.

What do you think? Has the Coalition Government lived up to your expectations? Are you disappointed with its performance? Or is it too early to judge?





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    griwi
    25th Nov 2013
    11:18am
    almost precisely what I expected
    Grateful
    25th Nov 2013
    12:42pm
    Not sure what you "precisely expected" there griwi, the poll results, or, Rachel's opinion?

    Just one observation, the poll was conducted with 1,400 participants, not 140.
    Rachel Tyler Jones
    25th Nov 2013
    1:42pm
    Thank-you Grateful, this error has been fixed in the above article.
    LENYJAC
    25th Nov 2013
    4:14pm
    WHO DID THE POLL LABOR FANATICS???????????
    Rod63
    25th Nov 2013
    10:05pm
    It was a Fairfax Neilson poll - a professional polling company.
    Aloysius
    25th Nov 2013
    11:18am
    A ridiculous left wing rant if ever I have heard one. The ink is not even dry on the election documents.
    Grateful
    25th Nov 2013
    12:47pm
    Australians are not fools. They got their "message' across by not voting for Labor at the election (Labor lost it, Liberals did not win it) and have now returned to their roots.
    Next outcome will certainly be Malcolm Turnbull taking over after they give Tony Abbott a "respectful" time as P.M. to reward him for his outstanding performance in opposition. HUGE difference being the leader of the oppostion with nothing positive to say and having to represent 23 million Australians. Tony Abbott is simply not up to it.
    Wstaton
    25th Nov 2013
    1:08pm
    Nethertheless it has been the fastest drop in history after an election.
    nightie
    25th Nov 2013
    1:09pm
    Grateful, I totally disagree. The rowdiness of Labor in question time is appalling. The Coalition is conducting itself with good manners, something unseen in government for a long time.
    MITZY
    25th Nov 2013
    2:24pm
    Nightie: Are we watching the same question time? Nothing has changed as far as I can see and hear. There is NO ORDER in the House. The Speaker is grinning like a Cheshire cat and, after decades in Parliament, is constantly in need of reference to her notes. The whole House (both sides) are in need of calming and anxiety pills in huge doses. I often wonder what the overseas visitors in the gallery think, but then again, this type of shennanigans is typical of our type of democracy and, I guess, these visitors have decided to visit our Parliament for "comedic" relief!
    dougie
    25th Nov 2013
    11:27am
    Again I must argue with your point of view. The Government has the right to make it's own judgement on how - when - and what it will release into the community press. One only has to see the manner in which the ABC has treated information that is four years old and not relevant in activity to the current Government, but which Government is being embarrassed and treated badly and continued escalation of this matter by the ABC.

    Any media agency has the right to go forth and investigate and seek the facts for either written or spoken media. This however should be done in such a way as to be aware of any problems that publication can cause for the community the national security or indeed any matter affecting our overseas relationships.

    Again I must say that I am prepared to give the Abbott government time to settle in , investigate the state of the nation and then to act to recover our position in the world. If this means being more intent on working than giving daily or more often press conferences as was the want of the Rudd - Gillard - Rudd governments so be it.

    At the same time I believe that the Rudd - Gillard - Carr camp who in fact caused this problem should man up and take the responsibility not act like curs sniffing at the heels of the Abbott government in the hope of making trouble. But then we now know that Rudd and Carr were only show ponies.
    Mary
    25th Nov 2013
    1:51pm
    Yes they seem to forget who caused the spying problem - why isn't that reported more often
    MITZY
    25th Nov 2013
    1:53pm
    Dougie: The Abbott opposition indicated month after month it would be a responsible, open, honest and trustworthy government, if elected. It got its wish, but because it was only word of mouth and not "scripted", we didn't get our wish.
    There will be further leaks from the whistleblower, Snowden, so it's not worth chastising the ABC as it was not the only recipient of Snowden's info. The Guardian OnLine also has many more transcripts from the source which you can purchase from them, if interested. Snowden's whistleblowing docs date back to 2004, three years before Labor/Rudd, so maybe Abbott is being cautious about what other outcomes Snowden may present to the media, prior to Labor's watch. The Australian governments of whatever persuasion are not going to admit to anything as far as national security is concerned. Diplomacy is what matters at present and it needs to be resolved quickly as it will fester and affect other areas of trade between the two countries. Abbott is following a line which both sides of government have followed for many decades.
    However, how much time does the Abbott-lead government need to settle in? They have been sloganeering for six years in Opposition telling us about their intentions if elected, showing us their "Direct Action" Booklet and plans therein to be implemented from DAY ONE of their governance? Look how quickly abolision legislation was before and then passed the House of Reps and is now with the Senate? Must have been prepared well beforehand and then fine-tuned.

    Rachel: I'm not interested in polls as I've said many times before. A sample of 1400 with a 2.6% margin for errors is not worth writing about. I'm disappointed in the lack of information coming forth from our new government and although it is too early to judge them harshly, Rudd did indicated during the election campaign that he considered Abbott would not handle foreign affairs too well. Bishop has been eerily silent as Foreign Minister and, who needs the likes of old pollies such as Alexander Downing putting views across. Julia Gillard indicating her ideas are unworthy as she also admitted at the very beginning of her leadership that she knew very little and had taken very little interest in foreign affairs. I just wish all these "old" pollies would get another life in their retirement from politics. Are they allowed to make comments to justify the post-political remunerations they still receive?
    Paddles
    25th Nov 2013
    6:58pm
    Dougie

    I endorse your mainly well balanced précis of the Government's actions to date. It was and is entirely predictable that Rachel and the bulk of the left leaning press seek to criticise the Government on the spurious claim of not divulging information about the illegal boat arrivals.
    They completely ignore the fact that the Minister for Immigration and Border Security is giving a thorough report on his departments activities ONCE A WEEK!
    I am afraid that Rachel and her ilk are experiencing withdrawal symptoms from the former Rudd/Gillard/Rudd circus that was so highly visible but lacking in substance, not to mention TRUTH!
    moorlands
    25th Nov 2013
    8:08pm
    See what I mean? (curs sniffing at the heels) what is it with "Right Wingers"can they not partake pf intelligent discussion without abuse?
    geomac
    27th Nov 2013
    3:35pm
    Dougie
    The spying may have happened four years ago but the revelations are recent . A bit hard to report on something yet to be leaked isn't it ? Abbott as PM has turned a tricky situation into a difficult one .
    Rather than your take on the govt working I would suggest they avoiding putting info out of public interest . They seem to working very hard to keep information from us . Look at the no info comments from Hockey , Morrison and Pyne backed by Abbott . A lot of rhetoric but very little info . They can find the time to bluster but not inform . You are being very generous to the govt Dougie .
    aquatrek
    27th Nov 2013
    4:30pm
    Abbott as PM has turned a tricky situation into a difficult one ROFL
    thats a good one - can you even imagine the mess that the crawling cringeing lilly livered rat pack called the 'lets stab the leader again' party would have created by now ?
    Abbott and his troupe have acted very very carefully [except for the dill who decided to engage in a twitter slur] and will continue to do so. No quick knee jerking REactions as befitted the ALP LOONIES.
    Chicky Dee
    25th Nov 2013
    11:35am
    I followed from both sides the information provided or not provided and I am pleased to say I was on the right track. This is exactly what I saw coming plus some. The main players in the coalition are all in a huge need of good manners along with humility as they are treating the entire population as idiots. They are doing what the Labor voters expected but they have made their own followers look like the idiots they think we all are. Sorry LNP voters you are getting what you voted for.
    Foxy
    25th Nov 2013
    11:44am
    totally agrees (especially with the manners/humility comment) - add a large serve of arrogance as well !!

    P.S. FINAL episode of "Four Corners" tonight on ABC - should be interesting - title of the show is "Palmer Drama" - an insight into Clive Palmer.........etc. etc.
    Jen
    25th Nov 2013
    12:43pm
    Totally agree Chicky Dee.

    Being a Queenslander, we're getting a double dose of it here. Arrogance rules.

    I am wondering how 3 years of being treated like mushrooms will affect the voting population - will they simply get used to it or will it turn to rage?
    Paddles
    25th Nov 2013
    7:00pm
    " Sorry LNP voters you are getting what you voted for. "
    No need for sympathy Chicky Dee as getting what we voted for sits very well mwith all of us.
    Foxy
    25th Nov 2013
    11:50am
    .......FINAL episode of "Four Corners" tonight on ABC - should be interesting - title of show is "Palmer Drama" - an insight into Clive Palmer.....etc etc. (should stir the pot a bit.....) :-)
    Anonymous
    25th Nov 2013
    11:55am
    Dont expect balanced reporting from the ABC socialist nutters

    $1Billion p.a. of taxpayers money down the tube

    At least with SBS you get some fantastic world movies.

    25th Nov 2013
    11:52am
    "So far the Coalition Government has proved itself secretive, changeable and unable to keep election promises. So no, I’m not surprised by these poll results"

    Gawd you're a stirrer Rachel. What election promises have they not kept? Boats have declined, they are putting measures in place to decrease govt spend. And as for global warming - what promises are you referring to ?
    Labor had 2 terms to screw up the country, give these guys a break. its only been 2 months
    Foxy
    25th Nov 2013
    12:29pm
    ...Malcolm Turnbull would have been far more sensitive and diplomatic - plus he is a more eloquent speaker than Abbott..........by the way - where is MT lately ?? Seems to have disappeared ?

    Media "grapevine" has it that Abbott will not last the full term - he will be replaced - now THAT would make me happy! :-) :-)
    Anonymous
    25th Nov 2013
    1:03pm
    agree Turnbull is the better statesman (well not much competition really) I prefer Peter Costello myself, but he is happy as a pig in mud making gazillions in the privat sector.
    MT has prolly taken on one of his alter egos. too many nutters on this forum. you never know who's who
    Foxy
    25th Nov 2013
    1:21pm
    MT - as in Malcolm Turnbull doh! jeez Jag. - you letting this get to you ... :-)
    Anonymous
    25th Nov 2013
    1:48pm
    hahahhah - me thoughts you were referring to MussiTate - the left wing loonie
    Foxy
    25th Nov 2013
    2:43pm
    ...I have heard he is under another name (by reading between the lines on here...) - but reading the "posts" (supposedly from him) - he doesn't "talk" or "type" the same? Nutters united! Ooops isn't that "Palmer United" lol lol .....can't wait to see what he has to say tonight...
    geomac
    27th Nov 2013
    3:39pm
    Costello is making money as a lobbyist and faux auditor . The private sector could not find a job for him .
    Tapper
    25th Nov 2013
    12:12pm
    Totally agree with the above opinion.
    Transparency is essential to democracy.
    It is not too early to judge; this government's behaviour is disrespectful.
    Patriot
    25th Nov 2013
    1:18pm
    Why be so nice to them and call them "disrespectful".
    I my opinion, they're blatant criminals and nothing else!
    In war time they would be "dealt with" for not following the direct orders of their superiors, the Australian voter!
    yabby
    25th Nov 2013
    12:17pm
    Rachel. Do you expect us to believe your loony left wing raving. The poll was conducted by the Fairfax press. They sit on the same page as the ABC. But us conservatives will keep on presenting our point of view and challenge the loony left as often as we can.
    dougie
    25th Nov 2013
    12:36pm
    Some of the people who write to this blog are so left wing that if they were a bird they could only fly around in circles just as Labor did for six years and seeminly achieved nothing but debt.
    Paddles
    25th Nov 2013
    7:04pm
    Worry not Dougie. Birds who fly around in ever decreasing circles are doomed to fly up their own fundament!
    Golfer
    25th Nov 2013
    12:22pm
    Great poll ..... 140 respondents! What an excellent sampling for a poll....NOT.

    I'm guessing most journalists and readers of yourlifechoices.com.au were invited to participate seeing the result was so skewed towards the left.
    archer
    25th Nov 2013
    12:45pm
    it was 1400 not 140 but still not that much
    Golfer
    25th Nov 2013
    1:06pm
    Archer,
    My eyes aren't the best. That's why I'm an average golfer.
    But I still can only see 140 respondents not 1400.
    Wstaton
    25th Nov 2013
    1:14pm
    Comeon can't you recognize a typo when you see it. Common sense should see that it was wong.
    Rachel Tyler Jones
    25th Nov 2013
    1:45pm
    This 'typo' has now been fixed. Thank-you for finding it Archer, Golfer and Wstaton
    Paddles
    25th Nov 2013
    7:07pm
    "Come on can't you recognize a typo when you see it. Common sense should see that it was wong. "
    Wstation.......surely this is a Freudian slip but it's not fair to blame Penny. She didn't write this crap. It was the work of one of her admirers.
    geomac
    27th Nov 2013
    6:22pm
    Golfer
    If a poll had a figure 140 respondents the MOE would be too great to calculate , margin of error . 140 would not make it worth releasing the results .
    patcat
    25th Nov 2013
    12:24pm
    LC you are going to change your commentator on government things or are we to stop reading all the rantings of Rachel on the coalition ??

    25th Nov 2013
    12:30pm
    Not supprising as in a 2 party system where both parties are equally inept, polls will have a tendency to come out in favour of the opposition.
    Anonymous
    25th Nov 2013
    1:04pm
    Agree - shudda voted Clive, my rodent friend
    lauren
    25th Nov 2013
    12:36pm
    I'm so glad we don't have to put up with bulletins every minute of the day, I guess the liberals aren't into 'selfies' they are too busy working.
    BlackCatWalking
    25th Nov 2013
    1:04pm
    A call from a key policy advisor, The Productivity Commission, which the Abbott government commissioned to conduct a review has recommended in a report released on Friday that the government consider raising the age at which people can access the pension to 70 by 2035. The pension age is already due to climb to 67 by 2023. The coalition has hosed down this suggestion.

    Also recommendations from The Grattan Institute also support the productivity commissions suggestions and would hit all groups of older Australians, including those on a full pension, part pension, or drawing down from their super to fund their retirement.

    It won't be long before those hoping for a better government are going to be seriously disapopointed.
    Wstaton
    25th Nov 2013
    1:18pm
    Great isn't it, Government starts by forcing emloyees and employers to subscribe to Super. Now it wants to rip it all off.
    Grateful
    25th Nov 2013
    1:55pm
    Remember Wstaton that when Labor introduced compulsory superannuation, our current (temporary) Prime Minister called it a "great big con"!!
    Same bloke that called climate change "crap".
    The same bloke who needs a committe to write his "sincere regret" to a "friend".
    That is Tony Abbott's problem, which the Coalition will not put up with for too long. He does not have that spontaneity that comes naturally with sincerity (honesty?) and leadership.
    He's done a super job in opposition, but, let's hope his party doesn't let him fall on his sword. He has done them a great service, now he is entitled to the respect of an "honourable discharge".
    It really isn't his fault that he simply does not have the characteristics necessary (essential) in an international leader. Sadly, I think that Julie Bishop is also becoming a very shallow embarrassment. It's called Peter's Principle, being promoted one level above your true ability. Happens all the time in the public service, but, will not be condoned in the ruthless world of politics.
    MITZY
    25th Nov 2013
    2:28pm
    Grateful: Well put, an astute perception.
    Golfer
    25th Nov 2013
    3:18pm
    Grateful, The Peter Principle was published way back in 1969.
    Labor under Rudd/Gillard/Rudd perfected it from 2007-2013 and still their dregs are hanging around.
    JJ
    25th Nov 2013
    4:54pm
    In answer to the raising of the pension age - I am in agreement with that. The government (in other words the taxpayers) shouldn't be expected to support us all to sit around doing nothing, or even rush around amusing ourselves, for upwards of twenty years. Fair enough if we have a chronic disability or illness, but if fit and active we should still be earning our own keep. It's not so bad - I am 73 and still working, and enjoying it! As we get older we don't need as much money as our mortgages should have been paid off, and most of us have finished with child-raising expenses, so we could work less hours than before.

    This is not in defence of the LNP and it's policies in any way. I don't like what I am seeing in the behaviour of a number of senior members in the new government, and especially our leader. I was prepared to give him time to prove his worth, but am not optimistic about the future after seeing him in action recently. I like the allusion to the Peter Principle, and have seen plenty examples of it over the years in all any field of endeavour.
    BlackCatWalking
    26th Nov 2013
    9:10am
    The problem JJ is that raising the pension age is a cost cutting measure and there are many other ways to do this without punishing older people.

    Not everyone enjoys their work, many people older people as you say can't work any longer, or are struggling on with disability and illness, and are working in low paid, physical jobs with poor conditions. The government has tightened the eligibility criteria for the disability pension, forcing many older people onto Newstart with it's unrealistic mutual obligation activities.There are also many seniors who are renting, and are far from sitting around doing nothing or idle.

    I might also add that the Coalition wants to include owner-occupied housing in the calculation of a retiree’s eligibility for the age pension which would contribute about A$7 billion a year to the budget, and encourage people to downsize to housing which may be better suited to their needs, enabling more efficient use of existing housing stock.

    If there government really wants to save money take there are better options.

    Try these:
    . - fossil fuel subsidies: $12 billion (ACF) to $13.4 billion
    . - superannuation tax concessions $30 billion in FY12
    . - negative gearing and capital gains tax discounts 6.8 billion
    . - imputed rent exemptions ~$9.6 billion in FY12
    . - negative gearing for investors ($6.4 billion).
    . - First Home Vendors Grants over $1 billion
    . - private education $9 billion ($36 billion over 09-13)
    . - Private Health Insurance Rebate $5 billion ($2 billion at commencement in 1999)
    raymondp
    25th Nov 2013
    1:12pm
    I could have said earlier - "I am not surprised' I for one did not vote for the Liberals.
    Nickylou
    25th Nov 2013
    2:04pm
    Why would anyone be surprised, the minute the liberals vowed to cut spending, where did everyone think the money would come from? I'm not a staunch supporter of either side, but even I know that labor is for the working man.
    Paddles
    25th Nov 2013
    7:15pm
    Ahhh! Nickylou

    Your closing para almost inevitably dates you as being from a generation (long past) but is totally irrelevant today. Fact is, the lines between the main protagonists have been pretty blurry for several generations now.
    The cloth cap image is passé and, if you doubt this, then you need only research the personal wealth of most of our former Labor Prime Ministers.
    Patriot
    25th Nov 2013
    1:13pm
    I does not matter which party you vote into government! They're all politicians who elect to lie when thigns don't go their way.

    According to the Aust Constitution they MUST represent the "Will of the Electorate" no matter of how the results reflect on themselves. Secrecy rather than "dealing and representing the Trust" is - they way I understand the Aust Constitution - committing treason and we - the people - should be able to demand justice.
    Kali-G
    25th Nov 2013
    1:49pm
    The first question should be aFull disclosure by the Nielsen pollsters of the number of opinionated, and which suburbs were polled!!!
    If it was a working class suburb, tha an it is that labor would be favored.
    And the numbers are such a minute representation of the population.
    So the question is: can we trust the pollsters?
    I seriously doubt it.
    As for the fiasco of the phone tapping..it is amazing how quickly the Indos forget the billions of aid Australia gives to this oil rich country.
    I hope the government stops immediately ALL aid to Indo!
    Mary
    25th Nov 2013
    1:53pm
    Well said - why are we still funding a government that is so anti Australia
    MITZY
    25th Nov 2013
    2:15pm
    Kali-G: Polls are worthless, 1,400 recipients took part and the SMH today indicates there is a 2.6% error factor calculated therein.
    Diplomacy on both sides is lacking regarding this phone tapping issue. There must be something else underlying the vehement rhetoric from Indonesia.
    Kali-G and Mary: Whatever our country or other affluent countries give in aid to various countries is made for specific purposes. We export to Indonesia in huge quantities which benefits Australian businesses. Cutting off aid for projects is like cutting of your right hand to save your left. This diplomatic kerfuffle is going to cost Australian industries and agricultural businesses millions of dollars in trade and lost jobs for those who work for them, if not settled quickly.
    Tom Tank
    25th Nov 2013
    3:41pm
    The poll is not really a surprise as the current Federal Government is working on the mushroom factory principle of keeping us in the dark and feeding us full of bulls**t.
    Tony was a very effective leader in opposition in terms of destroying the Government of the day. He is really not someone who inspires much confidence as a National Leader. Perhaps the "One Term Tony" tag will prove to be accurate. his total mishandling of the issue of eavesdropping on the Indonesian Presidents mobile phone was nothing short of abysmal. He had a lead to follow from Obama but it appeared that poor Tony cannot think on his feet. His comments on Cardinal Pell following the release of the Victorian Report on Child Abuse were quite breathtaking, particularly as he hadn't read the report.
    Many of his cohorts don't inspire confidence either being full of bluster and antagonism so unless they get their act together they will be in real trouble.
    Paddles
    25th Nov 2013
    7:21pm
    Tom Tank

    If your wish is for Tony Abbott to apologise to Indonesia for what is universally regarded as normal national security activity, do you think that it would be a fair quid pro quo to require Indonesia to apologise for murdering our journalists in East Timor?
    Tom Tank
    25th Nov 2013
    10:12pm
    You obviously did not read what I said. I did NOT say to apologise for spying on Indonesia. The issue is tapping the Indonesian President's personal mobile phone. Obama apologised for the USA tapping Angela Merkel's mobile and that appears to have soothed the Germans. All Tony had to do was use similar words, which did not include an apology for the usual spying activity but only the personal phone tapping.
    Yes Indonesia should not only apologise for the murder of our journalists but put the perpetrators on trial. Successive Australian Governments have walked away from that isuue.
    joy44
    25th Nov 2013
    4:02pm
    1. re phone taps... Abbott should have said sorry but this was done under labour ??? Also has any one seen the Indonesia guy admitting to phone tapping???
    2. Stopping the boats... no info given out to the smugglers.
    3.more money needed due to the DSS over spending by labour... we can not afford to keep it up.
    4. Climate change will happen when India and China stop carbon polluting ????
    5. Looking forward to ABC tomorrow... to see the 3rd episode of the Keating interviews...
    Incognito
    25th Nov 2013
    4:05pm
    Let's hope not too much damage is done in the next couple of years,especially to the environment which can be irreversible,take the Great Barrier Reef and have a look at what Greg Hunt is allowing. It is not always about the money is it?
    dragons
    25th Nov 2013
    5:14pm
    You are such a labor bias dirt bag - like the grubby labor party - we dont want the boats and ill legals -I have had another of your bias poltical views against the liberals and in particular Tony Abbot - go and crawl under a rock with the labor party. I am now going to unsubscribe your page as you do not speak for me and many aussies. Your page is for seniors not your grubby views -goodbye to bad rubbish.
    moorlands
    25th Nov 2013
    8:20pm
    Hey dragons, did you get out of your depth, then why not call them names like you did as a child, then take your bat and ball and refuse to play.
    Young Simmo
    25th Nov 2013
    5:17pm
    OK, I know I am slightly off subject again, and I expect a couple of clowns to tell me anyway.
    BUT,,,,, Can anybody tell me and I expect a few others the answer to my question.
    How much money does Australia give to other countries each year under the guise of AID?.
    I suspect it is many Billions of dollars, but would like an indication of the TOTAL.
    Last week I heard $600 million to $1 Billion quoted, to Indonesia alone.
    Foxy
    25th Nov 2013
    5:41pm
    Google it - you smart enough :-)
    moorlands
    25th Nov 2013
    9:30pm
    Simmo, all the richer countries give aid to developing countries, but here's the catch. That money must then be spent on the contributing countries products, or returned as access to the needs of the contributing country,mainly oil, in the case of Australia we need a market for beef, mutton, wheat, etc,etc, so it's an underhanded way of propping up the contributing countries producers, it is not only an Australian practice but worldwide. of course there will always be corruption. Iraq and Afghanistan are prime examples.
    Aloysius
    25th Nov 2013
    5:20pm
    A few thoughts for the week that i found in an email:

    HERE IS ALL I WANT OUT OF LIFE AT THIS TIME...
    Borders: Closed!

    Illegal boats: Stopped.

    Christmas Island: Give it to Indonesia with all its inhabitants, as a gift. That makes the nearest Oz landfall another 1000 kms further on from where the boats launch.

    Parliament: Obey its own laws. Make politicians keep their promises or have them disqualified from further election. No programs scheduled to start past the next election.

    Dual Citizenship: Abolished, you're either Australian or something else. If you're something else, be a visitor then leave.

    Language: English only.

    Flags: Illegal to display another flag except for consulates and embassies.

    Culture: Respect the Australian culture and stop trying to change it to the mess that you left back home. Stop trying to change us! Happy to try new foods!

    Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!

    NO freebies to: Non-Citizens! Look after Australians BEFORE donating to other countries.

    No Australian welfare: For any country that is developing nukes or spending more than a reasonable amount on arms.
    moorlands
    25th Nov 2013
    11:37pm
    HI, I suggested before the Falklands war started, just give the inhabitants $5,000,000 each and a free trip to to wherever they wish to live, and the carnage and killing could have been averted at far less expense. Those that wished to stay could have stayed, Argentinians are not cannibals , but then of course there was a hint of oil, America as usual stayed out of the conflict . Please don't suggest an enforced cancelling of dual citizenship or leave as you may find yourself very lonely.
    Crazy Horse
    29th Nov 2013
    10:02pm
    So no aid or assistance for the USA then, the country with the largest nuclear arsenal by a long way and the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons. A country that is driving itself into bankruptcy through it's massive overspending on arms.
    aquatrek
    29th Nov 2013
    10:08pm
    its ok CH: moorlands is a sick puppy = if the USA had gotten involved then they would have been evil but as they didnt get involved then thats a subtle putdown as well. Moorlands needs herp as each day that he wakes up there is no optimism in sight. He should join our 'otimistic for the future' topic but I dont hold out much hope.
    KSS
    25th Nov 2013
    5:33pm
    Oh dear! What a field day all the Mr Abbott haters are having. Do you not think it would be easy for Mr Abbott to roll over and apologise to the Indonesians and their righteous indignation and at the same time trash the Labour party, Mr Rudd and Ms Gillard, blaming those no longer even in politics and make himself look good? Of course it would. BUT would that be in Australia's best interest? Saying sorry means you won't do it again. But Australia will in a heartbeat. As will Indonesia. As will all other countries including the USA spying on Germany if they deem it necessary in the future. So now you want the Prime Minister of Australia to blatantly lie to one of our closest neighbours. Do you think the Indonesians are so stupid as to believe any assurances it will not happen again. No I didn't think so. Mr Abbott is taking the right path in apologising for the embarrassment the actions of Mr Snowden and the ABC/Guardian have caused but not apologising for the surveillance.
    Don't forget the Indonesian hubris is really about their elections due next year. SBY cannot stand again so this is an opportunity for the fanatics in politics in Indonesia to flex their muscles and curry favour with the hardline anti west populous. None of us know what is in the letter sent from SBY or Mr Abbott's response. Shrieking hysterically from the sidelines in Australia is simply giving more encouragement to those bent on destroying the relationship between the two countries for their own ends. Be quiet and condemn those who should be condemned for their actions that may be bordering on treachery not those who now have to walk the perilous path repairing damage not of their making.
    Aloysius
    25th Nov 2013
    7:49pm
    Agree whole heartedly.
    moorlands
    25th Nov 2013
    9:41pm
    So Obama should not have apologized?
    KSS
    25th Nov 2013
    11:59pm
    Frankly moorlands, in my opinion, no he shouldn't have apologised for the surveillance. A dignified silence much like that of Mr Howard ten years ago when Indonesia admitted running surveillance on Australia. Neither confirm or deny these activities. We all know all countries do it, we even know countries share information with its allies. The only difference is that some countries are more sophisticated than others in how they go about it. How can the President (or Prime Minister) make any genuine apology when tomorrow, next week or next year the surveillance will be done again if circumstances dictate. Or do you want an apology for Indonesia today and if/when some Australians are killed in extremist bombings on Indonesian soil what then? Uphold the 'promise' because you want an honest and transparent government and they shouldn't go back on their word, or forget that apology and assurance it won't happen again and reinstate the surveillance to track and bring the perpetrators to justice? Thereby confirming all government are liars. You can't have it both ways!
    from the nanny state
    26th Nov 2013
    9:15am
    KSS ... you have it in a nut-shell..... well spoken.
    I am very happy with Mr Abbott's response of diplomacy with Indonesia....
    Jurassicgeek
    25th Nov 2013
    5:35pm
    load of rubbish..labour is on the nose and Libs not far behind ...
    Foxy
    25th Nov 2013
    5:42pm
    Go Clive - lol lol ...................
    surfer
    27th Nov 2013
    7:34am
    OOOOOO NOOOOOOO Not another ego inflated, about to drop dead with a heart attack, blown up apology, greedy over fed drop kick. PLEASE PLEASE.
    Gin
    25th Nov 2013
    7:23pm
    If Rome could be built in two months we wouldn't need either Shorten nor Abbott, just one good Chinese economist. Please don't judge before the jury is out!
    wally
    25th Nov 2013
    7:28pm
    Hi KSS. You have provided a sensible analysis of the situation facing Tony Abbott and Australia, It is in start contrast to the hysterical rants of the one eyed partisans whose views generate more heat than light.
    chertl
    25th Nov 2013
    9:56pm
    Did anyone really believe that Tony Abbott's government was going to do as it said it would to gain the upper hand thus win the election. Get real.
    Rod63
    25th Nov 2013
    10:08pm
    It won't be long and we will be seeing the bumper stickers: I voted Coalition - and I am sorry.
    from the nanny state
    26th Nov 2013
    7:35am
    Well the stop the boats issue has resolved so far by stopping 80% in such a short time I would say Libs are doing enormously on that one... as far as the Indonesia goes... Abbott has nothing to apologize for as all countries spy on each other and it was the Labor party who were in govt at the time of the spying. We have given boats etc including huge amounts of our tax paying money to Indonesia and they do nothing to stop the people smugglers. We pick up people in Indonesian waters.... I don't know why ... that's Indonesia's problem, not ours. Australia had an enormous credit economy before labor squandered the lot on their rubbish ideas and killed people in the process. We are now in an enormous amount of debt including daily interest which we are expected to clean up.
    The global warming is usual climate change which has been going on for millions of years.
    What a load of rubbish... we do not need this ridiculous carbon tax which is just another labor load of crap idea....which they are trying to sell to us. OF COURSE LIBS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB SO FAR IN SUCH A SHORT TIME OF CLEANING UP ONCE AGAIN LABOR'S STUPIDITY. I think Mr Abbott's government should be commended ...NO I AM DEFINITELY NOT DISAPPOINTED WITH THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT. ..YES I am disgusted with Labor's disgraceful actions over such a short period of time of nothing but back-stabbing and fighting, resignations.... crying, brawling and offensive behaviour.
    Grateful
    26th Nov 2013
    6:01pm
    What exquisite timing!!! Perfect timing.
    Today we hear the uproar and nationalistic fervour exploding by someone who "said the wrong thing". No, it is not as "serious" as a barney between governments and Presidents and Prime Ministers, it was from anothet high profile bloke who is also not known for his "diplomacy or tact".
    But, the whole outcry puts what has happened this week with Indonesia perfectly into context.
    It is all over the tabloids in England, the tweeters have gone crazy and there is every chance that the Bristish Ambassador will be recalled!!
    Ozzie flags could be burned in Trafalgar Square!!
    But, this time it was an Australian cricketer, yes, none other than the team's "diplomat" Dave Warner, who called an English batsman, a highly reputed one, Stuart Trott, "weak".
    Be very interesting to watch how Cricket Australia and Dave Warner handle the issue and how long it lasts.
    And the captain was fined $3,000 for sledging another English batsman. Immediate reprisal but immediately resolved. Maybe cricket has much to teach our politicians.
    wally
    26th Nov 2013
    12:20pm
    Rachel's comment that appears to condemn Tony Abbott for not living up to his promises so soon after his election as Prime Minister appears to be a premature judgement at best. When you compare Abbott's performance so far with the chronic list of failures, broken promises and downright lies perpetrated on Australia in the six years of the Labor government, you wonder if Rachel is being a bit precious in her assessment. The symbol of justice is a blindfolded woman, not a one-eyed one in matters of judgement.
    MITZY
    28th Nov 2013
    10:42am
    Can't see any promises set in concrete yet? The boats were already stopping under the revisions of Rudd/Labor and the LNP are just carrying it through. Note they've stopped talking about boats in numbers and reverted to percentages.
    Not honest and open as they said they would be. Could you pleae annotate your comparison of Abbott's performances so far with the chronic list of failures, you have quoted. The symbol of justice could possibly be you, young Wally, a blindfolded "man".
    aquatrek
    26th Nov 2013
    2:05pm
    typical YLC bashing of the NLP - a waste of topic and apparently about all that Ms Jones can manage to conjure up. A republish of a poll all ready published. Is the YLC just a regurgitator of the mainstream media - seems so.

    Who really cares at this point as to whether the ALP loosers like it or not - they will be in opposition for the duration; whingeing, crying, brow beating, flagellating, cursing, moaning, and above all waiting with such anticipation for well and truly Shortened to save their pathetic party from oblivion. Lets hope that the AWU fraud outcomes sees them further destroyed.
    Oars
    26th Nov 2013
    3:45pm
    Why a page like this is entrenched in propping up the Labor Party puzzles me. The reason the current Government has so many unpopular decisions and stances to make is that they inherited Labor's "spend up-it's not my money" debt, that has left Australia in a deep financial hole. Only a moron would not understand that to raise the debt ceiling is to avoid the farse that Us has where a fool keeps on making speeches while US goes further into debt. Here we have a "tootie-fruitie" Greens mob who have too many cups-a-tae and have never really added their pay pack up yet.Try looking beyond the failure of that previous mob and try to have a go- and lift that "lefties chip" off your shoulder, then you may be able to stand up straight and face a positive future. Try it if you dare .
    alfie
    26th Nov 2013
    3:59pm
    Silence is bliss and the media hates that because they have nothing to report...and guess what? the people smugglers also hate it too because they don't know what we're thinking... our media feeds to many mixing informations out there that assist the people smugglers in their quest and thus making it difficult for the government...any government to control it. The more negative the media gets the better for them...a typical australian press trait to divide than to unite for a cause. Silence can sometimes be a good tactic in overcoming a problem because in todays world everything is sensationalised to make money.... this is what the media hates and are slowly feeding the people with garbage that this government is bad or any government. The media gets what it wants or else!!! like a spolied brat.
    Rod63
    26th Nov 2013
    4:14pm
    "Abbott backflip on Gonski funding promise
    Federal Education Minister Christopher Pyne has declared he is going "back to the drawing board" on education funding and refusing to meet with Gonski panel members for a briefing, despite committing to funding the Gonski agreements signed prior to the election."

    Just another reason why people are starting to regret voting for the coalition.
    Foxy
    26th Nov 2013
    5:32pm
    ....poor kids in the school yesterday that Abbott and Pyne visited - never seen two more uncomfortable so called "men" in my life!! Sitting there - trying to "smile" for the media - what a joke! They couldn't get outta there quick enough! As for Pyne - well remember he said he "couldn't stand OLD PEOPLE" when he had his last portfolio - seems he can't "stand" kids either! Waiting patiently for Turnbull to take over.......
    aquatrek
    26th Nov 2013
    5:38pm
    Anything that the ALP put together is almost guaranteed to be wrong so Pyne is probably being truthful that the monetary arrangements wee 'unworkable'. Its ok rusted on nutjobs, the NLP will fix it all for you - as they always have done.
    Rod63
    26th Nov 2013
    6:20pm
    aquatrek - the point is he is going back on his word over Gonski funding. Please don't blindly defend, just because you are a rusted on NLP nutjob.
    Wstaton
    26th Nov 2013
    6:39pm
    Yep and it looks as if the polls are starting to show it. Further time will tell.

    Also who says the monitory arrangements are unworkable. We only have Pyne's word for that. Strange that this should come out before the commission of audit is completed. State premiers ALP and Liberal are up in arms about it. What else is in store for the LNP to throw away their promises.

    Yep it's going to be fixed alright. Done away with.
    from the nanny state
    27th Nov 2013
    8:03am
    Turnbull unfortunately sits on the fence and says nothing....foxy
    He thinks he looks good for the ladies.... I'd rather have someone with something to say... whether we agree with him or not....
    tj
    27th Nov 2013
    5:33pm
    How can any sensible thinking person take notice off a poll of 1400 people ,compared to a recent poll of MILLIONS
    from the nanny state
    28th Nov 2013
    5:24am
    True tj.... nobody asked me or any one I know.....
    Boof
    27th Nov 2013
    6:22pm
    Give us a break. It is good not to have polls for awhile. Actually. It is good not to have them at all. The last elections are just over. Have we got to put up with this crap for another 3years?
    wally
    28th Nov 2013
    12:10pm
    Hi Egyptian. It seems that your 10:42 comment of the 28th joins Rachel's in a rush to judgement of the Abbott term of office. If you want to make a comparison between the relative merits and demerits of the Rudd/Gillard government and the current NLP government, you are going to have to wait until 2019 when a similar six year time span will have elapsed. But by then, according to one's prejudices, the Rudd/Gillard years will have lapsed into (not always rosey, not always the horror story)the mist of time that has enshrined the Whitlam government of 40 years ago.
    At least Rudd was granted a honeymoon in 2007-2008 which is in stark contrast to the whining carping and bitching I see in some posts here directed at Tony Abbott. The prejudicial predictions are as astounding as they are premature, yours included. Remember that "the voters have spoken" so suck it up until 2016.
    taylah
    29th Nov 2013
    11:31pm
    Obviously you believe everything broadcast by the ABC.

    30th Nov 2013
    5:38pm
    the election was in September...it is now the 30th November...give me a break. It is a four year term..how can anyone judge things yet...quite ridiculous in my opinion. They inherited a mess they are trying to clean it up.
    Rod63
    30th Nov 2013
    6:05pm
    They have made a very poor start.
    geomac
    30th Nov 2013
    9:36pm
    Three year term unless a DD .
    aquatrek
    30th Nov 2013
    9:48pm
    how can one make a poor start to cleaning up a friggin mess ? anything is better than what was there before - especially when having been created by idiots who have perfected screwing up the Oz political landscape time and time again !!
    Young Simmo
    30th Nov 2013
    6:26pm
    Now that Tony has just announced the pay increase for Pensioner couples of $200 F/night, I don't care about anything else. In fact I might lash out and get the Mrs a new pair of thongs, she hates the different coloured ones she currently has to wear to Weddings and Funerals etc.
    surfer
    3rd Dec 2013
    2:28pm
    Hi Yong Simmo--- Yippee I did'nt know we were going to get $200 extra a fortnight. I too will have a splurge. Think I will buy my wife a hanky instead of those horrible tissues lying around the place. Good outings and I went to a happy funeral the other day. They all were laughing and crying at the weddings. Tells you something dose'nt it.
    Young Simmo
    3rd Dec 2013
    4:06pm
    Yeh Surfer, also does your other half like to leave a tissue in the pocket of something in the washing as well. It is almost like snow in summer.
    wally
    4th Dec 2013
    12:18pm
    Following surfer and young simmo about the $200 pension rise they are discussing, we will be able to stop using out long sleeved shirt cuffs and break out a fresh fresh roll of petal to attend to our needs. Ain't life grand!?!


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