Labor has a new leader

The Labor Party starts the week with a new leader, Bill Shorten

Labor has a new leader

The Labor Party starts the week with a new leader, Bill Shorten, who triumphed over Anthony Albanese to take the reins some five weeks after Kevin Rudd resigned.

This was the first Labor leadership vote to be held under the new rules implemented by Kevin Rudd, which give party members a say in the leadership vote, as well as ensuring there will be no change to the leadership before the next election. Under the new rules a petition by 60 per cent of MPs would be required to force a leadership change.

Bill Shorten polled 56 of the possible 86 votes from the parliamentary party on Thursday, leaving Anthony Albanese needing votes from 65 per cent of the branch members. He secured just over 60 per cent. Bill Shorten secured 63.95 per cent of the caucus vote and 40.08 of the membership vote, giving him a winning total of 52.02 per cent of the overall vote.

When asked at a press conference if the outcome of the vote meant that Mr Shorten did not have the support of his party colleagues, interim leader Chris Bowen responded that “the party was more than a sum of its parts”. “Yes, the branch members will be disappointed that their candidate didn't win. But I think they'll be grateful that they've had a say in the party's future,” he told the press conference.

While Kevin Rudd has been quiet on the outcome, Julia Gillard, despite Bill Shorten’s role in ousting her as PM, was quick to post her best wishes, “Congratulations to Bill Shorten on becoming Labor leader. A great honour! I wish Bill all the best,” she tweeted.

Governor-General Ms Quentin Bryce, who is also Bill Shorten’s mother-in-law, offered her resignation to “avoid any perception of bias”. As revealed by Prime Minister Tony Abbott, he said he has declined to accept her resignation given that “[Quentin Bryce] will retire in March next year and that the Government commands the House of Representatives with a significant margin".

"I believe it is only fit and proper that she be permitted to conclude her term and be accorded the appropriate farewell that her exemplary service merits," the Prime Minister concluded.

Tanya Plibersek is expected to be announced as Deputy Prime Minister.

Read more at ABC.net.au 


Opinion: Let the games begin

I can’t help but feel that for the last five weeks we’ve been in a period of political limbo as the Labor Party sorted itself out. Now it’s time for the gloves to come off.

Since coming to power as Prime Minister, Tony Abbott must have been thinking that running the country was the proverbial ‘walk in the park’. So little have we heard from Mr Abbott that one could be forgiven for thinking he had done a ‘Kevin Rudd’ and taken off on a series of overseas jaunts. But now the Labor Party has sorted itself out and will no doubt be preparing to hold Tony and his gang accountable for their actions, or inaction.

As Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott questioned everything the incumbent Labor Government tried to do, as was his role. At times this got personal, especially when Julia Gillard was Prime Minister and, to be fair, the Labor Party and its own in-fighting made it easy for Tony to attack. But now the Labor Party has apparently sorted itself out and is united in its goal of ensuring that it is only out of power for one term.

Bill Shorten is perhaps a surprising choice as Labor Leader, given that he had such a pivotal role in ousting the two Prime Ministers who held the party leadership before him. Often touted as a potential leader of the party, it seemed he was reluctant to challenge when Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard were in the hot seat, leading to his perceived role as knife-wielder in the process. There were suggestions that he wasn’t quite ready, or that his mother-in-law being Governor General would make it difficult for him, but now it seems he’s ready to take on the might of Tony Abbott.

Bill Shorten is the face of a new Labor. He has had the last three years to watch and learn, being privy to the inner workings of the Labor Party and watching two leaders before him fail against a poorer political assailant, but one who read the mood of the country so much better. His team will be critical, for Bill Shorten does not appear to have the media savvy of Tony Abbott. Tanya Plibersek as Deputy Leader would be a terrific ally, as she is as unflappable and tenacious as her potential adversary, Julie Bishop.

Already we can see a younger, more vibrant Labor Party leadership start to emerge and we look forward to the many battles to come.

Is Bill Shorten a worthy leader of the Labor Party? Will he be a political match for Tony Abbott?





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    14th Oct 2013
    11:21am
    How pathetic this whole process has been, and at the end to elect such a back stabbing birdbrain that the rank and file members do not want. Tony will have to take a ticket in Tatts.
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2013
    8:37pm
    Of course, Abbott would NEVER stab anyone in the back would he Dogs Body..... short memory, you have Dogs Body... or should I say 'selective' memory. Either way, I would get it checked out mate.

    Not sure of Shorten because he belongs to the Labor Right which essentially is Liberal wets... very little difference, except Labor Right don't pander (as much) to corporate power and their mandate is right wing policies but not specifically making the wealthy elite even more wealthier, as is Abbott's primary aim.
    Nightshade
    14th Oct 2013
    10:18pm
    I feel that Clive Palmer is the man to watch -
    Pass the Ductape
    15th Oct 2013
    3:26pm
    Clive Palmer might be the man to watch Nightshade but don't blink your eyes.

    The man is a heart attack walking around looking for a place to happen.
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2013
    5:01pm
    would not wish that on him. he's a national treasure.
    Foxy
    15th Oct 2013
    5:09pm
    .....go Clive!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
    Anonymous
    20th Oct 2013
    9:20am
    ........ go Dickhead!!!!!!!
    jfs43
    14th Oct 2013
    11:21am
    The Governor General offered to step down but Tony Abbott declined this offer like the true statesman he is..
    ghoti
    14th Oct 2013
    1:40pm
    Yep, a true statesman, as he showed by apologising to Indonesia and Malaysia for comments he made about them while in Opposition, by his telling China that he will take anything he can get in the forthcoming free trade deal, by his telling Indonesia that he will stop Australians criticising Indonesia over its record in West Papua, by saying that things in West Papua are better, not worse (ask any West Papuan what he or she thinks), and by claiming expenses from the public purse for weddings, fun runs, anything. Yep, a true statesman.
    Foxy
    14th Oct 2013
    2:51pm
    ...declined like the true statesman he is?? Really?? If I am to believe the political "experts" that I have seen interviewed today - the GG's contract expires in March 2014 (when she is due to retire) - 5 months time - and it was "politically correct" ('scuse the pun) in this particular instance that Abbott was advised to decline as to avoid any political "backlash" from many places not only in Australia but overseas (UK)- also she apparently "knew" he would reject it!! - Once again the public has been "bamboozeled" by yet another "ye ole smoke n mirrors" tactic - what a joke!!
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2013
    8:41pm
    ghoti

    Sounds more like a sleaze bag salesman to me..... statesman???? that is a tad hilarious. The bloke is a fool. We won't hear about it from the Corporate Mainstream Media but his diplomacy in Indonesia was somewhat of a debacle and didn't go a long way to improving Liberals relationship with our closest neighbour.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2013
    11:11am
    Mozzie-Bate, Still a communist I see.
    surfer
    14th Oct 2013
    11:35am
    Tony Abbott will wrap this little drongo round his little finger. Just a carry on from the Krudd/Gillard/Krudd fiasco.
    Young Simmo
    14th Oct 2013
    1:57pm
    Hey surfer, is that Shortens son in the wheelchair? If so it is not hard to work out where the Disability thing came from. If not maybe Shorten will need a wheelchair after Tony has finished with him.
    Foxy
    14th Oct 2013
    5:14pm
    ...hope you or none of your family are in a wheelchair YoungSimmo - what a particularly nasty disgusting ignorant pathetic comment to make - you make me puke! Nastyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy man - get some compassion in your life you freaking' deadbeat!!!!!!!!! Uncalled for comment ................
    Young Simmo
    14th Oct 2013
    5:49pm
    Foxy, that was a legitimate question, if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Don't tell me, I can tell quite easily you are a blond, you give it away every time. Blonds puke easily.
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2013
    6:18pm
    Young Simmo, All I can say is thank God Abbott and his crew got into power. He will be in for many moons. Hope you are kicking goals.
    Young Simmo
    14th Oct 2013
    6:24pm
    Yeh Dogs Body, getting the Libs back in solved 90% of Australia's problems, now maybe if Malcolm Turnbull could jump into the Pilots seat for a while, it will become 100%.
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2013
    8:47pm
    Abbott vs Shorten........ oh! please, let it happen. A debate... Shorten would cream Abbott. Am not particularly enthralled by right wing politics but when it comes to speaking, Shorten is eloquent ... whereas Abbott is simply gibbering or rambling.

    Come on guys, go with Abbott's good points (if you can find any) but don't PRETEND that he is actually GOOD as a statesman/diplomacy/orating..... the bloke is very close to George W BUSH's a GAFFE a minute.
    aquatrek
    14th Oct 2013
    9:19pm
    hi there Mustrate - the 'I dont vote for anyone' exclaimer but 'jeez I suck the a....s out of my commy buddies' hahah you would have to be the most pathetic one-eyed individual on this forum.
    Shorten has the brain of a union thug boss and you expect that to compete with a Rhodes scholars intellect ? you have just made an absolute fool of yourself for the hundredth time hahahaha
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2013
    10:35pm
    aquatrek
    We haven't "played" for a long time. Probably because you have been reasonable and refrained from being a total 'ask your mum for sixpence'. Ever heard the saying 'the pot shouldn't call the kettle black'..... I'll have to call you "potty" from now on, it fits you so well for so many reasons!

    Anyway, Potty, you think that Abbott is an intellectual (says I with a humongous grin on my face). The following are some details of the Rhodes' legacy specified four standards by which applicants were to be judged:
    *Literary and scholastic attainments;
    *Energy to use one's talents to the fullest, as exemplified by fondness for and success in sports;
    *Truth, courage, devotion to duty, sympathy for and protection of the weak, kindliness, unselfishness and fellowship;
    *Moral force of character and instincts to lead, and to take an interest in one's fellow beings.

    -The first standard, well he could have got anyone to 'dub' for him in that field... costs a bit but still AOK.
    -The second standard, well this is his FORTE and I would say the area in which he would have relied heavily upon...sport. You can tell because he charged the Australian taxpayer lots of money to pay for his travel costs to many sporting functions for himself and family!!
    -The third standard is an ABSOLUTE JOKE..... Abbott fails dismally in this regard! Unless of course, we are talking in relation to blokes only (no sheila's) who are useful to him and to the wealthy (no commoners)
    -Moral (??) force...... no way, unless we are talking religious indoctrination as 'moral' which some people do. He is leading but have you seen how his own team react to him..... they simply do NOT like him. The last aspect of 'interest in one's fellow beings', well if they can help him become PM.... sure! That's why Murdoch, Gina and Forrest got a lot of attention (and promises of reward) from him.

    SO, ONLY the first item, relates to intellect dear Potty and I can assure you that MOST people can achieve literary and scholarship attainments. The rest of the requirements are VERY subjective and I can assure you that Abbott would have had the very best references and recommendations from those in high places. One attribute that is missing above, is Abbott's ability to recognise and latch onto, those with the ability to further his objectives! Now I would say that he IS brilliant at that.
    ghoti
    14th Oct 2013
    10:59pm
    Young Simmo: I agree with Foxy that your comment was particularly nasty, disgusting, ignorant and pathetic. We older citizens should be setting a better example than this.
    Young Simmo
    14th Oct 2013
    11:47pm
    ghoti, you are the second person to criticize my query, and nobody has answered my question. I am starting to think my assumption is right.
    ghoti- Foxy, has a ring to it.
    aquatrek
    15th Oct 2013
    10:53am
    as usual Mustrate you pontificate like a pope; bump your gums up and down; transfer those head space physical actions to txting and out comes more mindless drivel. Nevertheless, lets look at your beloved communist parties future: if Shortened dodges the AWU scandal bullet; manages to keep his grubby little paws of Tanya; 'rebuilds' the now train wrecked party policy portfolio; has the testis to actually stand up in parliament and not make a fool of himself; ceases to undermine any who he even vaguely suspects of not liking him [jeez - thats most of the rank and file]; then in time [and he had better make it quicktime] we will see what alma mater stuff he is made of when he goes up against a Rhodes scholar [of course if Shorthened was in charge of a communist country then the intellectuals are the first to be beheaded arent they].
    ghoti
    15th Oct 2013
    4:08pm
    Young Simmo: what is your question? You mean "is that Shortens son in the wheelchair?" In what wheelchair? Your question doesn't make sense. In any case, don't expect anyone to give you the time of day if you make vile innuendos.
    Foxy
    15th Oct 2013
    5:03pm
    ghoti - thanks for your support - anyone who makes "fun" of any wheel-chair situation whether it is real or not - is disgusting! But then what do you expect from "trailer park trash" !!!!! Cheers ghoti -
    Young Simmo
    15th Oct 2013
    5:52pm
    Foxy and ghoti, you 2 obviously can not tell the difference between making fun, and a genuine enquiry. So I will spell it out for your immature pre-school brains. About half a dozen times over the last week or so they have shown on TV, Shorten walking behind a young person in a wheelchair and at the same time commenting on his disability obsession. Now if you pair of inbreds read that slowly you might catch up to the rest of us. I mean out of 71 comments you are the only 2 dummies that can not catch on. Foxy your language tells me that you are FERAL, but probably not your fault.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2013
    10:54am
    Young Simmo--- They have no sense of humour, poor old blond FOXY and a new chum GHOTI. That sounds like some sort of insect you stomp on. They love to criticize other and are holyier than thou types. Have never learnt to live and let live. Have set themselves up as authorities on everything. Both related to Mozzie-Bate or what was his name. Please humour these dickheads and we have to feel sorry for them.
    slapsy
    16th Oct 2013
    12:22pm
    What a load of absolute one-eyed hypocrites some of you people are !!!
    If that young person in the wheelchair is,in fact,Bill Shorten's son then why should he be critisised for it.After all,hasn't Tony Abbott been carting his daughters all over Australia for the last 3 years.

    Cheers
    Young Simmo
    16th Oct 2013
    2:00pm
    slapsy, like Foxy and ghoti you mob of uneducated kids don't have a very good grip on the English language. Personally I asked a question re: relationship, and that is a long way from criticism. Now I am wondering if you all attend the same Kindergarten.
    Foxy
    16th Oct 2013
    6:02pm
    YSimmo - anyone ANYONE would puke over you and ya nasty friend (Surfer boy/Dogs Body) - looks to me like you both maybe "gays" ??? Hmmmmmmmm ? Both got each others "backs"
    -(lol) "stick up" for each other on this website (lol) - both ignorant/racist/illiterate/homophobes - (and that's being pleasant to you) names I would like to call you I would not subject the other nice people on this site to.......you both in the same "trailer park" ??? Got ya rusty caravans next to each other?? Can't afford a real home so you vent your hatred on people on here??? haha- I'll bet - two bitter old men with nothing else to do with their pathetic lives - OHHHHHH YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS there is something you can do - just heard on the news that Tasmania is going to be the next state to hopefully legalise euthanasia - got ya tickets booked boys??? lol lol lol - I'll buy them for you!!! Best investment yet !!!!
    Young Simmo
    16th Oct 2013
    7:01pm
    Hey suffer and Dogs Body, I just have to tell you the following story I heard today from Foxy's next door neighbour.
    Apparently her Landlord turned up early to collect the rent.
    Foxy came to the front door in her nightie, with no teeth in and her hair net screwed over to one side ( real Picture).
    After the poor old land lord picked himself up off the ground, and brushed the gravel off of his Tuxedo he said.
    I am doubling your rent. Well I don't have to tell what as said next.
    The volume bought all the neighbours out onto the street.
    When she calmed down a little bit the land lord said.
    I'm increasing the rent to cover the replacement of all the broken mirrors, and window tinting all the windows so people can't look in side and sue me for what they saw.
    HOLA
    19th Oct 2013
    6:45am
    Young Simmo, you always manage to slip one in, at least I had a good laugh.
    Anonymous
    20th Oct 2013
    9:45am
    Thank you YOUNG SIMMO for that nice bed time story. After picturing that apparition FOXY -- at the front door gave me a night mare and now I am all shook up. That poor land lord will wonder how to evict such an ugly old hag. She will have such an effect on property values, down down down. A type like her will probably bunk down with her friend Mozzie-Bait and Ghoti. What a bunch of derros.
    dougie
    14th Oct 2013
    11:36am
    The party has spoken and a leader elected. I will treat him and his position with respect as it deserves. However I will speak out against those things he projects that I feel are wrong and I will support those projects which I feel are good for Australia. I hope that at all times I can be reasonable and polite in these objections as I see much disrespect in the manner in which people show their dislikes for parties or personalities. Surely we can all be civil. A good example is the offer by the GG to resign and the equally polite manner in which Tony Abbott declined her resignation. That is Politics at it's highest level. Let us hope that the next three years can follow on and that both leaders can have their parliamentary colleagues show the same statesmanship. There is no cost to being a lady or gentleman.
    Wstaton
    14th Oct 2013
    12:56pm
    Ditto Dougie
    AmandaR
    14th Oct 2013
    7:09pm
    A bit of smoke and mirrors on the GG resignation - the GG was obligated to offer her resignation, the PM was obligated to decline her offer. This would have been sorted out months ago when the Coalition insisted the Labor government not announce a new GG and the GG's term was extended for 12 months - but I agree with your sentiments about the rest dougie.
    catsahoy
    15th Oct 2013
    8:00pm
    young simmo,dont know what news broadcasts you have been watching, but i only saw one of BILL SHORTEN, near a wheelchair, he does NOT HAVE A SON IN A WHEELCHAIR, and even if he did, its only natural he would want the best treatment for him, BILL SHORTEN IS A CAMPAIGNER FOR THE DISABLED, this is why you probably saw him with disabled people, AT LEAST HE CAN SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY, UNLIKE ABBOTT, who cannot string two words together without humming and harring , the man has no personality or charisma, and is as likeable as last nights dinner,
    catsahoy
    15th Oct 2013
    8:00pm
    young simmo,dont know what news broadcasts you have been watching, but i only saw one of BILL SHORTEN, near a wheelchair, he does NOT HAVE A SON IN A WHEELCHAIR, and even if he did, its only natural he would want the best treatment for him, BILL SHORTEN IS A CAMPAIGNER FOR THE DISABLED, this is why you probably saw him with disabled people, AT LEAST HE CAN SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY, UNLIKE ABBOTT, who cannot string two words together without humming and harring , the man has no personality or charisma, and is as likeable as last nights dinner,
    Abby
    17th Oct 2013
    11:10pm
    I agree with you Amanda:)
    Abbott was obligated to decline the GG offer.
    Look at the rise in his salary she arranged for the politicians and is payback so she can get her pension.
    lauren
    14th Oct 2013
    12:12pm
    Yes, Dougie, I agree, doesn't matter what political party you follow, when the public become nasty and use abusive language, it says more about themselves, then those they belittle. Many of the politicians on all sides work hard, they and their families make a lot of sacrifices, because they want to make a difference in our nation. God bless them all.
    Grateful
    14th Oct 2013
    12:19pm
    Can't wait until Parliament opens again. It will be a bloodbath with the old, no policy government, taking a hiding. We will very soon see why Tony Abbott is the Prime Minister, and it had absolutely nothing to do with ability or policy. He won by default, as all oppositions do, the former government got kicked out by their own constituents as they were absolutely sick and tired of the in fighting and ego mania of their so called leadership.
    With a 64% vote from Caucus, this will give Bill Shorten a massive vote of confidence from the team that he has to work with over the next 3 years a clear indication that they considered what he did to both Gillard and Rudd was in the Labor Party's best interest and not just pushing his own personal barrow.
    The membership didn't "reject" him as some, like Robert Bolt and the Murdoch lackies will be saying. Leadership is not a popularity contest and Shorten will gain membership respect by his performance, just as Tony Abbott still hasn't gained the respect of Liberal voters who still would MUCH prefer Malcolm Turnbull. And I'm sure that Tony abbott doesn't have the support of 64% of his caucus!!

    We now can all look forward to seeing who are really qualified and capable of leading this great country, Abbott is off to an extremely poor start, having already kowtowed to Indonesia and back tracked on three of his election "goals", (they would have been broken promises if Gillard had done it). Roll on Parliament commencing!!! P.S. If we had such a "budget crisis" why will it be over 2 months before Parliament re-commences? Hope we don't see any more crises while Tony Abbott is in charge.
    Kali-G
    14th Oct 2013
    12:19pm
    God save Australia!
    another trade union heavy weight.....
    no experience except wrecking the economy.....
    these socialist leftwingers are a waste of oxygen
    I hope the media will expose Shorten's background FULLY....
    let the people judge him than.
    MITZY
    14th Oct 2013
    3:32pm
    Shorten is right-wing labor. Albanese is left.
    Foxy
    14th Oct 2013
    5:07pm
    Egyptian - did you get Mitzy yet???? update please - :-)
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2013
    11:02am
    Agree with Kali-G Fancy Shorten, a back stabbing union thug and a faceless sneak being leader of the opposition. I was very happy about this, as it will mean many years of government for the LIBS. Even the property market has kicked away since Tony got in, and business is even getting better, after being in the dulldrums for six years.
    Aloysius
    14th Oct 2013
    12:24pm
    Brian Loghnane says, quite insightfully:
    The result confirms that Labor is still deeply divided - and that nothing has changed. Bill Shorten's first decision today was to recommit Labor to a carbon tax. Labor will vote against the new Coalition Government’s legislation to scrap the carbon tax and cut electricity bills. Labor still hasn’t admitted it got it so wrong on border security.

    Nor has it admitted their addiction to waste and taxes meant it lost control of the Budget, delivering Australians record deficits and record debt. Until Labor and its new Leader can admit it was wrong on the policies which most concern Australian families, nothing has really changed. All that Labor has done today is reward the chief plotter who removed Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard.

    The factional system that Mr Shorten controls delivered him the leadership through the Caucus - against the overwhelming wishes of Labor members. Labor may have changed leaders but it has not changed the policies rejected by the people of Australia at the recent election.
    AmandaR
    14th Oct 2013
    7:21pm
    "Labor will vote against the new Coalition Government’s legislation to scrap the carbon tax and cut electricity bills."
    Those that voted FOR Labor, voted FOR the carbon tax. Those that did vote Labor will be expecting the leadership to maintain their stance on the policies they support. You would be pretty annoyed if the party you voted for didn't carry through with their promises.

    On the budget issue - should be easily enough get people to forgive. Mr Abbott said all you have to do is say sorry and people will be ok. So all Bill has to do is say, 'sorry we stuffed up the economy, we will do better next time' and it should be ok.

    "Until Labor and its new Leader can admit it was wrong on the policies which most concern Australian families" Can you be more specific? Which policies are you referring to that do not concern Australian families? Education? NDIS? cutting benefits for single parent households? (that one they did get wrong)

    The Labor party may well have to reconsider the weighting it has given to the caucus. However, this is the first election of its kind and I would expect they will review the process and make amendments if they need to. Up to them really. At least they have a democratic process involving the rank and file, more than can be said for the Coalition parties. I bet there are more than a few Coalition supporters who wish they could have had their say when Mr Turnbull was beaten by one vote by Mr Abbott when they had their change of leadership a couple of years ago.
    Aloysius
    15th Oct 2013
    8:12am
    Labor went to the 2010 election with the leader promising thast there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead. That promise was abandoned almost immediately to garner the support of the Greens in the pursuit of power. Labor policy and Labor integrity have been shown to have lower priority than the pursuit of power and political ambition. It is farcical for Labor to now try and claim the high moral ground.
    AmandaR
    15th Oct 2013
    2:21pm
    I do not agree with your analysis of the 2010 situation - but we have had that discussion before so no point in rehashing. What happened in 2010 is irrelevant to this discussion. It is now 2013 and the Labor Party, lead by Rudd, went to the election promising no to repeal the price on carbon. If they walk away from that promise now, they are letting down every person who voted for them in 2013.
    Aloysius
    15th Oct 2013
    3:23pm
    It is beyond dispute that Julia Gillard stated that she would not introduce a carbon tax one week before an election and then changed her mind saying that circumstances had changed. The only change was that the election was over. Her party's abandonment of integrity was not irrelevant to today. It's interesting that the LNP was accused of negativity when it opposed policy that it disagreed with but when Labor does it (in the face of an electorate that rejected it) that it's now honour!!! It's all just a game.
    AmandaR
    15th Oct 2013
    4:01pm
    Yes it is all just a game. And like those who came to the Coalitions defense against accusations of negativity and because I am not a climate change denialist. I support the strategies the Labor party put in place to encourage reductions in carbon emissions. I also support the strategies they put in place to encourage the development of alternate sources of energy. Coal is a finite resource.
    AmandaR
    15th Oct 2013
    4:03pm
    Whoops, that should read:

    Yes it is all just a game. And like those who came to the Coalitions defense against accusations of negativity, and because I am not a climate change denialist, I will continue to support the strategies the Labor party put in place to encourage reductions in carbon emissions. I will also continue to support the strategies they put in place to encourage the development of alternate sources of energy. Coal is a finite resource.
    Aloysius
    15th Oct 2013
    8:13pm
    Ah, new topic. I prefer the term climate realist to denialist. The proponents are climate alarmists. The truth is that the climate is always changing but a tax is not going to change it. It has been shown that the alarmists have drastically overstated their case and the northern seas presently have the largest ice cover in yonks.
    Hasbeen
    14th Oct 2013
    12:29pm
    Wow, not just a trickle of bias in this article, but a flood of biblical proportions.

    At his first appearance Shorten the fool has confirmed "they" believe in global warming, & the carbon tax.

    If he was even mildly dexterous, he would have dodged that little hand grenade. All they have done is move another deck chair to the best position on the Titanic.
    Anonymous
    14th Oct 2013
    8:52pm
    You don't think there is any global warming, Hasbeen? Really!
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2013
    11:09am
    Now now Musti-Bate Don't get into that one. If you look at Australias climate over the last decade from the records kept, you will find it has got cooler. So really don't get out of your depth. Our idiotic carbon tax has been a joke for the rest of the world, but not for us that have had to do the paying. Tell me, what other countries have a carbon tax??????? I will answer for you, none.
    Foxy
    16th Oct 2013
    6:04pm
    Surfer/Dogs Body - soon to be eliminated from this site - lol lol
    Anonymous
    20th Oct 2013
    9:39am
    Please get rid of this bitter old hag FOXY, we have all had enough of her drivel. Loved the story about her Young Simmo.
    congress@bayside
    14th Oct 2013
    12:53pm
    The Labor party in government continually underestimated the abilities and fighting spirit of Tony Abbott and the Coalition. The Coalition have been the government for five, repeat five weeks, and already there are some from the political left demanding major changes. Don't worry they are coming. Bill Shorten stupidly refuses to admit that the Lib's have a mandate to repeal the carbon tax. How much of a political victory does it take to achieve a mandate? Perhaps a double dissolution will deliver a conservative mandate that Bill Shorten may accept! Shorten and Labors obstructionist views may well lead to this.
    ghoti
    14th Oct 2013
    1:51pm
    More people voted against Tony Abbott and his repeal of the carbon tax than voted for him. Doesn't sound like a mandate to me.
    Aloysius
    15th Oct 2013
    8:42am
    Did Labor win, Ghoti? Labor lost seats in both houses. The Senate election cannot be regarded as meaningful as only half the Senate stood for election and the result of the half that did stand voted Labor in the minority. If the whole Senate had stood for election, Labor would have lost all influence.
    Anonymous
    16th Oct 2013
    11:14am
    Mr. Ghoti----- Were you here during the election or away with the fairies.
    KSS
    14th Oct 2013
    12:58pm
    The result of the election of the Labor Leadership vote would just seem to show that the Labor power brokers are way out of step with their own party membership. Pity the rank and file who thought they had a say.
    jennyya
    14th Oct 2013
    12:59pm
    Really Debbie, which paper/news do you read/listen to (as if I didn't know). I am very glad Bill Shorten got in because the Liberal Party will be assured of at least two terms in office and that is marvellous. You Labor people are so venomous in your statements it just makes me feel a little ill. It equates to the anti-abortion march of the weekend. Feminists/Socialists so, so bitter. It is no use me saying that the country will be much stronger under Liberal leadership because nothing I say will make you believe that the Labor Party is dead. Keep on with your futile arguments and beliefs and many more people will realise that Labor Party supporters are just a bunch of nutters.
    bernieo
    14th Oct 2013
    1:05pm
    Well, well, well... the "Great Shafter" has got his wish. Watch out.. This "Great Shafter" will do anything to achieve his own ends. In addition to Juliar and Rudd the Dudd, his greatest shaft was to oust the previous Member for Maribyrnong, Bob Sercombe. Bob was most endeared and highly respected to the voters of all persuasions in the Maribyrnong electorate. And.. Bob didn't have to shift into the electorate to suck up to his constituents.. He was already a local.
    Oars
    14th Oct 2013
    1:17pm
    By sticking one's head in the sand for 6 years, and collecting driftwood at your feet with every changing tide showed how gulleable many people were. Along came a beachcomber and is tried to clean up the mess. He needs no trumpets nor faddy talk, just quiet action. Give him a fair go Aussies.
    sydneycl
    14th Oct 2013
    1:41pm
    Oh Debbie.......... Puhleeeeeeez !! You sound like a university under, under, under graduate.
    Young Simmo
    14th Oct 2013
    1:53pm
    Now let me get this right. That brain dead pre-schooler KRUDD, changed the rules so the rank and file could vote for the new leader.
    Albanese got 18,230 rank-and-file votes to Shorten's 12,196 and Shorten wins. I hope all the rank and file didn't have to pay for the stamp to send their votes in.
    It seems to me that the Labor Party should Change their name to the Union Party, then they can go on strike when they lose a vote.
    MITZY
    14th Oct 2013
    4:13pm
    Simmo: There are just over 30,000 members of the Labour Party and 86 Caucus members. For every 'X' amount of those 30,000 votes 'X' amount have to be apportioned to the Caucus as they only number 86. So when the apportionment is completed and the percentages worked out, the result is listed above in Debbie's comments.
    Young Simmo
    14th Oct 2013
    5:40pm
    Egyptian, I am a realist and the way I see it the smallest number of votes wins in the Labor Party. Seems like a general reflection on the way the Labor Party works, BACKWARDS.
    geomac
    14th Oct 2013
    9:58pm
    Simmo
    Rank and file Labor got a vote . Rank and file liberals get none .
    jennyya
    14th Oct 2013
    1:56pm
    From the comments here Debbie are you finally getting the picture????
    Paddles
    14th Oct 2013
    2:33pm
    jennyya

    The inner city luvvies, rusted on unionists and the proletariat of the Peoples Republic of Canberra are incapable of getting any picture that does not accord with their deep seated hatred of the rationalists that now make up our Government.
    Grateful
    14th Oct 2013
    3:00pm
    Jennyya. With Tony Abbott as leader, this will be a one term government and I can't wait to read your comments in 3 years time, if he lasts that long as leader. Would have to be the most inept, vision less, policy less front bench of a government in my living memory. All talk, all knock, nothing positive, let's hope that the Opposition with Anthony Albanese as leader of Opposition Business, ripping the frauds apart, will either knock the Coalition into shape or assist in getting rid of them.
    People, don't just "take sides" and be blinkered bores, be as critical of the new government as needs be, otherwise, we will have another period of nothing as we had with Howard's pathetic team, but, for a much shorter duration, to the detriment of this country and its children.
    Bigoted "Party centrics" went out years ago. Get with the times and let's see a MUCH better Parliament this time in, with an Opposition that argues instead of knocks.
    jennyya
    14th Oct 2013
    3:44pm
    They won't have to argue - the Libs are DO-ERS. Haven't you noticed? But then again I am talking to a Labor voter - one eyed and tunnel visioned - Eat your heart out mate. At your rate you will be upset for 3/6 years at least.
    sydneycl
    14th Oct 2013
    4:29pm
    Quite clearly, 'Grateful' would rather have the Libs come out with more heroic policy initiatives which can't possibly be funded until 2030 at the earliest. How about harvesting Northern Territory water and ditching it down to the Eastern and Southern States for about $130 to $160 billion (on the back of an envelope AND off budget), or a very fast train from Perth to Sydney at around $230 billion, or overseas holidays for all union members with their holiday and strike pay? Sounds good eh Grateful ?
    Foxy
    14th Oct 2013
    5:40pm
    .... Abbott will not last his term - trust me! Malcolm Turnbull will step in before it is too late!!!! (hopefully) :-)
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2013
    1:15am
    jennyya .. Paddles .. sydneycl

    Sheez.....hard line conservatives.... some may call fascists... not me though, I wouldn't..... go on ask anyone.

    You have your boy in but you are even worse now than before when he wasn't in......because of this double standard thing is it? Okay for you lot to deride and put down personally and disgustingly everything the previous PM (s) did but you NOONE is allowed to even question your boy or his non performance, non ability, non entity really.

    You are reflecting the same mentality as Abbott himself.... refused to allow Slipper to repay a minute amount of misclaimed moneys and took him to court but ABBOTT himself is NOT to be even questioned on his GROSS MISAPPROPRIATION of travel expenses and is allowed to pay it back..... (with interest, you might ask??)

    Smile.... your boy's in. The wealthy elite love him, the corporations love him, isn't that enough for you! Just because just under 50% of the ordinary people are smart enough NOT to like him or his non policies or his lack of ability to manage Australia for Australians or his lies, or his corruption with the travel money, doesn't mean you can't be happy.

    Go for it! Smile and enjoy your time......it will take a few years before we really FEEL it and Australia is sold out to the Corporations and we are tied in to BLOWING $29billion on an ABSOLUTE RUBBISH NBN with millions upon millions of Nodes.
    AlbertC
    14th Oct 2013
    4:13pm
    well done shorts at least with you leading we can be sure that bishop abbot won,t get his holly snuggles for free .! besides on top of that he might get impeached for misusing government funds along with all the other cronies who only join the libs to get kick backs they have always been shifty if they had their way we would still be slaves and they the slave masters. most of them have never worked an honest days work in their lives. and don,t grow old from worn out body parts like people who work for a living they just bludge and wait for someone to retire from their ranks then jump in. once again good luck shorts have a nice day
    Jurassicgeek
    14th Oct 2013
    5:07pm
    Ho hum.....who cares...we will have to deal with The Great Bat Eared Messiah for the next few years...The messiah who promised to stop the boats. The Messiah who went to Indonesia to apologetically lick their arse....They are part of the problem by not helping to stem the tide ..they dont want the illegals either..yea The Great Bat Eared Messiah will stop the boats...you bet...
    Hasbeen
    14th Oct 2013
    5:23pm
    Can you count Jurassicgeek?
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2013
    1:18am
    We don't have to Hasbeen, we simply are not allowed to hear about it anymore. Allowing people to drown, etc..... not a media issue anymore... nor one that the government is willing to share.

    So problem solved I believe.... if you can't see it or hear it, does that mean it is not happening.... of course it does, Mr Abbott told me so.
    Jurassicgeek
    15th Oct 2013
    5:19pm
    Havent you heard Hasbeen? The boats magically stopped on sept 13 along with all the country's ailments...go The Great Bat Eared Messiah!! There have been no reported boats and the country is magically fixed...YAY!!! yeah right....
    Nifty
    14th Oct 2013
    10:28pm
    Wow. Abbott as a statesman at this stage? He must truly be a messiah. That is probably why he things all those scientists are wrong, and that the threat of climate change is crap. Of course, what would they know? Now for all those tea party people (you know, ultra conservatives who kick everyone's head), I am not happy with the carbon tax. Just to set the record straight. I think Tony should have been a footy player (pick any code) as he has been a great headkicker. Has anyone else had the misfortune to view parliament over the last few years? Fantastic headkicking. Statesmen set their nation's path for the coming generations. I don't think Tony will do that. Shorten? Dunno yet, but our children and grandchildren will.
    Tom Tank
    15th Oct 2013
    8:35am
    It is amazing how the party allegiance dictates and overcomes any sensible debate. We don't know how Bill Shorten will work out as Labor leader, we will have to wait.
    What Australia does need is a strong opposition to ensure a balanced term of government by whoever is in power.
    It appears that Tony Abbot is not liked by a majority of people, including within his own party so his performance is being closely watched. Perhaps there could be a change there before the next election.
    Patience all round please and save the venom which is continuing to be personal. Older people should be showing an example so please drop the abuse and stick to the facts.
    Tim@toc
    15th Oct 2013
    10:24am
    Clearly many of you people do not believe in democracy. Why don't you all go and live in North Korea. It would be a far more suitable environment for you.
    Foxy
    15th Oct 2013
    5:07pm
    ....... lol - touche' - nice!!!!!
    Pass the Ductape
    15th Oct 2013
    3:34pm
    Political lImbo debbie?

    Oh - if only!

    Is there NO escape from the political dung heap we seem to have got buried in lately?
    Anonymous
    15th Oct 2013
    5:19pm
    hey we - we got Clive.

    stop crying crocodile tears!
    Pass the Ductape
    16th Oct 2013
    7:03am
    Ohhhh - the humanity!
    Sylvia
    16th Oct 2013
    10:01am
    Reading the comments here, makes me feel there is just no hope for any good old commonsense, when are these elected politicians going to work together for the good of all Australians?, instead of carrying on as though they have the right to spout a lot of vitrial all the time, never any thing constructive, is this what our tax money is paying for? if you got a job any where and then started whinging and pulling every one down how long would you be tolerated? For Gods sake, these men and women should thank heavens they have a job,so do your best and be fair and just, but above all start working for the good of us all, maybe one vote one value will sort out all this wheeler dealing, I can never see how when I give some one my vote, they have the right to hand that vote to some one of their choice?
    PS, I did fill in all the boxes, but I know many couldn't understand that.
    Young Simmo
    16th Oct 2013
    7:02pm
    Hey suffer and Dogs Body, I just have to tell you the following story I heard today from Foxy's next door neighbour.
    Apparently her Landlord turned up early to collect the rent.
    Foxy came to the front door in her nightie, with no teeth in and her hair net screwed over to one side ( real Picture).
    After the poor old land lord picked himself up off the ground, and brushed the gravel off of his Tuxedo he said.
    I am doubling your rent. Well I don't have to tell what as said next.
    The volume bought all the neighbours out onto the street.
    When she calmed down a little bit the land lord said.
    I'm increasing the rent to cover the replacement of all the broken mirrors, and window tinting all the windows so people can't look in side and sue me for what they saw.
    Foxy
    17th Oct 2013
    11:47am
    ...what an ignorant ugly bitter old man you are - oh and I like surfers new name "suffer" LMAO - makes everyone suffer on here! That can be his THIRD alias ..or even his 4th. or 5th. who knows??? You also need to be institutionalised because you think Surfer is two people also - what a couple of old raving "nutters" lol lol ......
    Young Simmo
    17th Oct 2013
    12:23pm
    Thanks for the compliment Foxy, that's 99 to me and 1 to you, better smarten up your act old girl.
    Foxy
    17th Oct 2013
    5:23pm
    my pleasure! - oh and get the calculator out - it's 100% to me! Sorry to burst ya bubble! :-)
    Anonymous
    20th Oct 2013
    9:54am
    Hi Young Simmo, Has this ugly old hag FOXY gone completely bonkers. She should be banished from this site for her bitter and twisted abuse. That story describes her completely. She and Ghoti are the same person I am told.

    17th Oct 2013
    5:39pm
    Read today 16/10 that Tanya Plibersek could be our second female PM...almost choked.

    After the first debarcle - I DON'T THINK SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
    Young Simmo
    17th Oct 2013
    5:53pm
    Radish I think there is a better chance of the Freo Dockers winning a flag, and you know what those odds are.
    In fact the odds are about the same as Foxy being nice to me and Surfer.
    Anonymous
    20th Oct 2013
    9:58am
    FOXY being nice to Young Simmo, Surfer and Dogs Body, well that will never happen. She has a thing about men. Pretends she hates them, but really loves them. I thank you FOXY for those kisses and hugs you sent me.
    sensible senior
    18th Oct 2013
    11:48am
    well i guess everything old is new again . i believe that shorten had a deal with rudd when he voted him back as p.m. as if he got all those cascaus votes it would be quite easy to roll julia gillard. shorten wanted to be p.m. ever since he entered parliament. what a front bench so far makes you want to puik. i get sick every time i look at or hear this man and why do you think he put all the ladies in to stand up for him he certainly needs it. what about the awu scandal maybe tony should have a royal commission into that. love to see what kevin rudd does now and i am looking forward to parliament returning now mr shorten will be mr negative wont he orf is it different for him
    MiningMagnet
    20th Oct 2013
    10:59am
    Some fairly breathtakingly ignorant (and ill-mannered) comments on this topic I see - that would be the right-wing wack-jobs demonstrating their political insight and intellectual objectivity I'm sure.
    I attribute the political acolyte with the same level of 'mental adjustment' as required by the religious cult followers who mouth the words of their chosen bible without any moral, intellectual or ethical consideration of the meaning of the phrases before which they genuflect. Anyone who believes any one party has all the answers correct is an idiot - no second place, they are an idiot, devoid of personal or intellectual integrity.
    Given that politicians espouse that belief it rather goes a long way to understand why we have no respect for them or a govt populated by them
    But, back to comment...
    Good to see the Labs have sorted themselves out and can start the work of opposition - it will be interesting to see if the Labs can engage PUP in the senate.
    Given CP's profit desire and visible greed it would be simpler for the Libs to lure him into even greater excesses with promises of higher profits
    My concern over Shorten is that - like Abbot - he is Jesuit trained (something they have in common with Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin) so that makes him dodgy from the outset
    Anyone attributing Abbot with above-average intelligence is looking to be sadly let down, TA has been able to compensate for his mediocre cerebral activity with 'behind the scenes influence' (thanks for that Nick ! and JH) something that will be difficult to replicate when he is on his own at international level - scary thought that we may have the only international leader not as bright as George Bush Jnr...hahahahaha.
    The "Rhodes Scholar" prize has long been much more about networking and contacts (by the selection board) rather than any particular sign of intellectual insight or capability. Abbot's main claim to fame is that he has shown he is willing to do ANYTHING to get on - that includes fraud (as per current court case he has been dodging for years) intimidation and tactics to make a 'union thug' blush. Trained under the Reith period of IR and HR Tony has proven he is without moral or ethical standards of any kind which makes him perfectly qualified to be the leader of a group of people with similar standards.
    Given the background of the two it seems that Shorten's involvements have been reasonably transparent and classy...hahahahah....at least Shorten hasn't gone character reference for a priest de-frocked as part of an abuse case......
    The Labs should now be able to function with a leader proven at a number of levels - he will out-debate Abbot easily and will out "think-on-his-feet" to the same degree.
    Anyone who remembers Shorten from the Beaconsfield time will understand why he will eat Abbot alive in that arena - given the right ammo and strategies
    The Libs are already feeling the pinch with their internal factions becoming argumentative over 'who gets the spoils' after the election. I predict a leadership challenge not too far into FY15 - if the Libs can find someone who will be as 'compliant' with the faceless men actually running the Libs. Nick Minchin's hold over the party will not remain quite so firm without Murdoch's press 'running the message' for him - mind you Murdoch has already shown he is happy to run his PR indefinitely - unsuccessfully in the US where his market ownership is much less than here - so perhaps the Libs will continue with the leg up.
    Certainly, Murdoch is helping Qld LNP out in keeping the worst of their idiocy off the pages and re-running old stories and 'improvised' puff pieces
    Here's hoping those positive, nation-building steps taken over the last few years don't just degenerate into the usual 'party for the boys' that has been Lib govts historically.


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