Labor offers superannuation compromise

Labor has offered a compromise on the Government’s proposed super measures.

Labor offers superannuation compromise

Superannuation measures announced in Budget 2016/17 have been in limbo for months, so Labor has taken a big step forward by offering a compromise on the Federal Government’s proposed changes.

In a speech to the National Press Club yesterday, Bill Shorten ramped up pressure on the Government by offering to negotiate on the parties’ proposed reforms. Mr Shorten said he would support the placing of a $500,000 lifetime cap on non-concessional contributions as long as it was prospective and not backdated 10 years. To make up for the lost revenue, Mr Shorten recommended the scrapping of three of the Government’s proposed reforms: allowing catch-up concessional superannuation contributions, harmonising contribution rules for people aged 65 to 74, and allowing tax­ deductions for personal super contributions.

Treasurer Scott Morrison yesterday rejected Labor’s proposal and criticised its opposition to the three reforms, suggesting that blocking these measures would “hollow out crucial support designed to assist more Australians to be independent in their retirement".

"The big reasons why we made so many changes to superannuation in the last budget was to make it more flexible, to make it more sustainable, to ensure that the tax incentives that are in the superannuation system are going further and working harder to ensure more and more Australians are able to be self-supporting in their retirement and not dependent on a pension or a part pension," Mr Morrison said.

Mr Shorten claims that his offer is the first of many to come from Labor, as an attempt to “reach across the aisle” and work with the Government to repair the budget.

Superannuation reforms are now at the mercy of the Greens, who are demanding their own changes; or the Senate backbench, who are not close to reaching consensus on the package.

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Opinion: Bipartisanship on the lips

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten has tried a new strategy this month by calling on the Federal Government to adopt a spirit of bipartisanship to repair the budget.

"At the beginning of a new Parliament, I call on Mr Turnbull to help set a new tone. Put the nation ahead of partisan politics, join with me in locking-in these changes with lasting benefit to our nation's bottom line," said Mr Shorten.

While Mr Shorten has all the right intentions, he must also realise that bipartisanship goes both ways in regards to reform and that any of the $8 billion in suggested budget repairs need to represent the over-arching views of the general public.

The political landscape has had the proverbial gearbox stuck in neutral for several years though it seems Mr Shorten has put his foot on the clutch and moved us into first gear. Let’s hope that the Federal Government is willing to work with the Opposition on future proposals and reforms so that we can repair the budget and make Australia great again.

What do you think? Do we need bipartisanship or should we simply be backing in the proposals of the Government that was voted in?

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    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    10:12am
    It says heaps about this next coalition government that Shorten is trying to reach a compromise but Morrison can do nothing other than get himself in front of the cameras and attack Shorten for not giving blanket support without any details being supplied. This is classic behaviour from this bad government and the same deal as has been the case since Abbott was in opposition.
    It is clear that we will be at the polls again early next year and hopefully the mentally challenged in our nation will see this crew for what it is and send it on its way. The nation has already suffered enough and needs a change, not the next deadbeat bunch of misfits wanting their dictatorship and serving their political masters at the big end of town whilst trying to crush average citizens.
    particolor
    25th Aug 2016
    12:36pm
    Every thing Morison said on the ABC this morning ( If he said anything at all?) was what Labor did !! So what !! :-( Its over now !! Why don't those Incompetent Twits get on with trying to Govern the Country instead of Blame Blame Crap ? They have done Absolutely Nothing in 4 Years Except ATTACK the POOR !! :-( :-(
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    1:15pm
    It's funny how chief clown Corman last said that Labor did not know that the election was over. Sounds like Morrison is on the list.
    PlanB
    25th Aug 2016
    10:34am
    Scott Morrison is nothing but an ignorant, smirking parisite as are so many of that lot
    Fliss
    25th Aug 2016
    11:26am
    "The big reasons why we made so many changes to superannuation in the last budget was to make it more flexible, to make it more sustainable, to ensure that the tax incentives that are in the superannuation system are going further and working harder to ensure more and more Australians are able to be self-supporting in their retirement and not dependent on a pension or a part pension," Mr Morrison said.
    What a load of crap!! How he he seriously say that the changes are MORE FLEXIBLE?
    Patriot
    25th Aug 2016
    11:32am
    PlanB,
    Did you forget "an ARROGANT, smirking parisite"??
    PlanB
    25th Aug 2016
    12:53pm
    Thanks Patriot

    Correction to the above

    Scott Morrison is nothing but an ignorant, arrogant, smirking parisite as are so many of that lot.
    Pablo
    25th Aug 2016
    1:12pm
    And bill shorten is nothing but a stupid, welfairy, budget destroyer who cannot accept that he LOST the ELECTION!
    Scrivener
    25th Aug 2016
    1:59pm
    Morrison is saying that all he knows is to pull levers. He has the imagination of a parrot. we have a lot discretionary money sloshing about in this country - so what is needed is creative, imaginary thinking to convert that into real investment in growth opportunities - technology, education, research, innovation, energy, food and farming practices and so on. Instead all he knows is tax economics - tax the poor and give to the rich. The Sheriff of Nottingham rises again.
    Good thing the population is ignorant and stupid and lets it happen otherwise they couldn't pull it off. All the citizenry want is titillation and excitement and moving scenery. Doesn't matter that it's a train coming down the tunnel at them at high speed. Idiots can't even hear the whistle. Sad!
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    8:30pm
    Bill Shorten = borrow borrow borrow, spend spend spend like all labour jerks the wide world over. Note labour not labor.
    He is also a Champagne socialist. I wish evil on him and the sooner the better.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    8:53pm
    fred: Abbott/Turnbull have ADDED more than $100 billion to our debt. Borrow, borrow, borrow???? Didn't Abbott get himself elected on paying down the debt or has that been forgotten? I thought so.
    Abby
    29th Aug 2016
    11:54am
    mick if you borrow money ..you have to pay interest
    Adrianus
    29th Aug 2016
    12:30pm
    Abby, Mick doesn't realise that many of our previous government's (labor) spending commitments continued for a couple of years after we kicked them out. Spending commitments such as the Gillard favourite Global Education Fund and the Clinton Foundation.
    floss
    25th Aug 2016
    10:49am
    The big end of town will always fight to the death to protect their way of life and no amount of compromise by battling Bill will ever come to past.They would rather see Australia down and out which is not far away.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    10:55am
    Pretty well describes what we have been witnessing since Tony Abbott was opposition leader.
    PlanB
    25th Aug 2016
    11:25am
    I agree with all the above comments
    Scrivener
    25th Aug 2016
    1:46pm
    Yep, looney. We have trade ties with China and defence ties with America, and we screw up nearly every one of these critical international relationship we enter into.
    The country is being crippled in its economic, defence and international affairs and the palookas in government now are all somewhere up their own posteriors.
    They are full of hubris and the simple day to day running of the country is beyond them in practice (bit not in PR fog). All they know is electioneering.
    They certainly proved at the last election that well and truly half of the population has an IQ below average. At least they got that right.
    I guess what concerns me at the end of the day is that all of our traditional values are being diluted bit by bit and everything of value has been converted into a KPI and has to have a monetary price put on it. How do you put a dollar value on compassion, kindness and looking after one's neighbours and citizens?
    How do you put a value on so many of the values we used to hold dear - the unspoken values we fought for and developed over so many of the formative years of this nation?
    You are dead right - they are only interested in their own agendas - the IPA agenda.
    I won't complain if the whole thing comes crashing down around them - and it will if Morrison doesn't zip his mouth. A new election is a great idea. We are well used to elections now. Might as well spend the money on that rather than hand it all to China, American arms dealers, and the big end of town.
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    8:32pm
    Scrivener, what a sad man you are, go and live in Moscow or North Korea, you would fit in there.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    8:55pm
    fed: you need to go live with Rupert as you share the same dictatorship ideals. You will be happy kissing Rupert's boots. Enjoy!
    jamesmn
    25th Aug 2016
    10:59am
    bill don't take any rubbish from turnball/ Morrison or any other liberal backstabbing clowns we all know why parliament was raided yesterday because the nbn was turnball complete stuff up and his lies he is just trying to cover his backside from broken promises and lies if the proposal is no good for all Australians block it the liberals don't ever say what they are proposing just lies after lies.
    Anonymous
    25th Aug 2016
    4:11pm
    No jamesmn, parliament was raided by the AFP because of an ongoing investigation into who leaked confidential documents which is against Federal law. There may have been stuff-ups but they have no bearing on what the AFP are doing.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    5:42pm
    First a Royal Commission into pink batts deaths. Then a Royal Commission into unions/Labor. Now doing what n government has done before and sicking the Federal Police onto an opposition to AGAIN smear.
    You must be kidding Old Man. Stop posting propaganda and start addressing the game which is being played as this government seeks to smear their way into office. And you wonder why I allude to this bunch of low life as a dictatorship waiting to happen. This is how dictatorships behave.
    Ultimately it will come out if COnroy has a case to answer one way or the other. BUt make no mistake, if he is exonerated this malicious government will still keep maintaining guilt. That is what it has done for the past 5 years. It needs to go.
    Pendrey
    25th Aug 2016
    11:25am
    It is clear that this government has learnt nothing from the mistakes of the Abbott/Hockey budget proposals rejected by the Senate. Until they offer a balanced budget that does not directly target the least well off in the community I do not see any chance of a bipartisan approach
    Anonymous
    25th Aug 2016
    11:33am
    This government is totally blind not to see what the electorate thinks of them and their proposals. Something really stinks here and money under the table is not out of the realms of possibility. To print the from and to is liable without definite proof, but, I believe, it will be forthcoming shortly.
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    11:39am
    Pendrey, I guess you're saying that those who made it possible for the Unions to almost destroy us should be rewarded in some way? They should not be responsible?
    That is what I find hard to understand these days. Nobody wants to be accountable when things go pear shaped.
    Pendrey
    25th Aug 2016
    11:45am
    Well Frank I do not know why you talk about the Unions. This is a discussion about Superannuation. The Superannuation system is not working as it was intended. It is supposed to take the pressure off of the government with employees paying into a fund during their working lives so as not to require so much welfare when they retire. As it is people are treating their balance as an asset and still getting the pension. What has this got to do with the Unions?
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    11:54am
    Plenty Pendrey, I think you should re-read the article.
    ex PS
    25th Aug 2016
    12:34pm
    Didn't you know Pendrey, Franks' Mum was scared by a Unionist when she was carrying him and he has wet himself at the very mention of Unionists ever since. Maybe he can seek counselling and rid himself of his irrational fears.
    Frank has one good point though, why would you let a Union take you to the barn when there are plenty of Bankers who will do the same thing quicker.
    Pendrey
    25th Aug 2016
    1:05pm
    Think ex PS that you could possibly be right.
    Have re read the thing and I still find the reference to Unions and rewarding people to be obscure and irrelevant.
    Surveys show that many people when presented with irrefutable evidence that they are wrong will still not change their minds. So I will still ask ' what has that got to do with the Unions?'
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    1:48pm
    Agree with your sentiments Pendrey. Frank is just pushing coalition propaganda so you won't get an honest or factual discussion from him.
    Your post about Hockey/Abbott is quite correct and Turnbull and his cronies have signalled that they intend to run the same big business agenda it presented at the last budget. This is what the rotten to the core coalition calls 'government'.
    Get ready for another election. Early next year I'd say....but let's give the cretins the opportunity to back down. I'd say their arrogance and contempt for the majority of Australians will not allow them to back off though.
    Rae
    25th Aug 2016
    2:07pm
    I can't see how the 13% of worker's covered by unions actually come into it either unless it is the defined benefit contributors. All their contributions are non concessional. What happens to them once $500 000 is reached?

    Perhaps there are plans to even things up and finally give these workers a few of the tax minimisations everyone else is getting.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    2:18pm
    Not from a coalition government Rae. Sacrilege!
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    11:33am
    At least Bill Shorten is appearing to be co-operative. He's making the right sounds. We will see.
    KSS
    25th Aug 2016
    12:21pm
    As long as Mr Shorten gets his way! Mr Shorten should remember that he did NOT win the election and stop grandstanding as though he did.
    ex PS
    25th Aug 2016
    12:28pm
    As you can see Frank, their are politically motivated sheep out there who are incapable of acting or thinking in a rational manner and will always act along tribal lines. It is a pity that they appear to be present on both sides.
    I agree with you, someone has to have the guts to take the first step and start thinking about the future of our country more than the future of a tired old traditional political party.
    The party that achieves this will be the one that I will be most likely to vote for in the next election. Any party that wants to guarantee my vote will close down the concentration camps that both the so calleds should be ashamed off.
    Pablo
    25th Aug 2016
    1:10pm
    KSS, it is such a good thing to see someone who isn't weighed down by all the stupid looney left crap, thank you. Shorten and the leftie lot did NOT win the election and he should just keep his stupid mouth shut. The Australian people voted in the Coalition and hence voted for the reforms they want to put in place. They didn't vote for labor's stupid welfairy policies.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    1:52pm
    A strange post from you Frank....although right to the script from KSS.
    Shorten has offered to be bipartisan....unlike the Abbott monstrosity in opposition who was happy to destroy the country to get into office.
    I respect the fact that Labor is offering to assist good government and the INdependents are on the same page too from what I can see. Unfortunately you have a (small) group of megalomaniacs controlled by big business who keep saying 'my way or the highway'. That is not government. It is bastardry and betrayal of the country for its own aims....which have nothing to do with the nation whatsoever.
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    2:19pm
    KSS, he has no choice. He does what the unions tell him to do. OK, the unions are now democratised which was evidenced by Shorten winning over Albo. Strange, I thought democracy was a majority rules process? Anyhoo, Shorten does have some say I guess. More than Rudd, and more than Gillard may have had.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    5:45pm
    You love to twist the facts and throw mud Frank. Look at the scum which calls itself our government. If you associate with this sort of political party then it makes a statement about what sort of human being you are. Not pretty.
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    8:35pm
    What is Bill's hidden agenda? he looks and sounds more like Stan Laurel every day, is he a love child of Stan Laurel I wonder, another fine mess you got me into Olly.
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    8:52pm
    fred, Shorten's hidden agenda is to introduce a Union democracy. Albo has experienced Union Democracy first hand.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    8:58pm
    And Morrison sounds like the Grim Reaper trying to scare the kiddies.
    Turnbull is still working on the Abbott dictatorship: telling everybody how to vote, giving money to his rich mates and directing media to run his propaganda.
    Tell your mates at Liberal Party HQ to pull the other one Frank.
    Pendrey
    26th Aug 2016
    8:11am
    Frank is still banging on about Unions
    Adrianus
    26th Aug 2016
    8:31am
    Pendrey is still apologising for the unions.
    MICK
    26th Aug 2016
    9:46am
    If we had no unions Australians would be earning $5 an hour and told it was too much.
    The truth is that fraud at the top end of town makes any union malevolence look like child's play. The sums of money defrauded from the taxpayer base are be humongous......aided and abetted by coalition governments who pave the way. And poor little Frank talks about unions to shift the focus? Standard Liberal Party behaviour.
    Abby
    29th Aug 2016
    12:00pm
    Totally agree KSS
    Everytime you turn on the ABC ... there is Bill Shorten ... one would not mind if he looked like George Clooney ;)
    mogo51
    25th Aug 2016
    11:34am
    'Mentally challenged' people saw the nonsense Government of Rudd/Gillard circus and threw lLabor where they belonged, onto the opposition side of Parliament. This Liberal Government is not a good one, but the last few Labor Governments were totally abysmal.
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    11:46am
    mogo51, they were worse than that!
    Soon retired
    25th Aug 2016
    12:01pm
    Here here!!!!
    ex PS
    25th Aug 2016
    12:21pm
    mogo51, your statement appears to state that mentally challenged people through out the Rudd/Gillard government, if that is what you mean I totally agree. The people who voted for the LNP were not very bright.
    Grateful
    25th Aug 2016
    12:55pm
    And that's why we are all now paying for the massive, sociological and economic disasters that were endowed to us by those so called great economists John Howard and Tony Costello.
    Do your homework before you start introducing nasty biased politics in what should be a most serious discussion.
    Without bipartisanship we will get nothing as was the result of the previous Abbot/Turnbull 3 years and see what we got from Howard and Costello in their 2001, 2004 and 2007 budgets. Yes, everything that we are trying to and have to fix up now. Disastrous!!! Name just ONE generational beneficial decision made during Coalition governments in the 21st century. Expect nothing from this one UNLESS they use Labor policies. This Coalition government had none in their previous 3 year turn and there is nothing better to look forward to this time.
    I can already see them blaming the Senate AGAIN!!! Ugly.

    And that doesn't include going hand in hand with Bush to invade Iraq. How many more years will we be paying the human price for what that CAUSED?????
    Howard was a catastrophe and no wonder he was the only sitting Prime Minister who even lost his own seat!!! What does that tell you, so he's removed his glasses and hopes that people won't recognize him.
    How are you going to enjoy having $7 to $11 per week taken out of your pension???
    PlanB
    25th Aug 2016
    1:46pm
    Agree with you Grateful --

    Howard needs to be tried for war crimes --as well as Blair and Bush -- he was and is a sneaky little scum bag
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    1:59pm
    mogo51: Actually Rudd and Gillard produced policy as well as throw cash in to keep the nation working. Your issue is that they should have let 20% of the nation lose their jobs like the rest of the developed world. Such a rich man's view of the world!
    The reality is that Gillard put a heap of good legislation through the parliament and Rudd kicked off the NBN, something NO LIBERAL GOVERNMENT would ever do unless it were demanded by big business.
    Your post avoids the fact that Liberal government never do anything other than try and screw workers + give lower taxes and rorts to the rich whilst Labor governments bring in the big policies which advantage the whole nation: universal superannuation, medicare, paid holidays, the NBN, etc. Were it not for Labor governments we would all be the lackeys of the rich. But then that is what your agenda appears to be. May your children curse you for such behaviour.
    Old Geezer
    25th Aug 2016
    2:49pm
    Agree Rudd/Gillard years were very dismal and did a lot of damage to our country. Their support of welfare made us a nation of welfare dependent people today.

    NBN was never going to work but at least the LNP is doing it's best to make it work. I can't see why anyone would need very fast internet at their homes anyway.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    5:49pm
    Look up the meaning of the letters GFC Geezer. Apparently you believe that the Rudd era was a prosperous era in out history and that everything was hunky dory.
    The NBN should have been implemented as per plan. It was undoubtedly designed by engineers rather than politicians but that did not stop Turnbull from all but destroying it. So why do you think Turnbull is trying to hide the truth? We already know that costs have blown out from Turnbull's changes and we now have an at best mediocre NBN which has cost as much as the original proper model.
    So how much are you being paid to post the above propaganda?
    Old Geezer
    25th Aug 2016
    6:26pm
    The GFC was just one of the road blocks that I have had to negotiate along my wealth planning pathway. If you were invested well you should not have had a real problem with the GFC. I really think Rudd over did it and failed miserably as most of the stimulus went overseas and failed to circulate around in our economy.

    NBN would not have worked with the original plan.

    I'm being paid as much as you will pay me Mick. So when can I expect to receive yo cheque?
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    8:36pm
    Togo. LIKE.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    9:09pm
    Nonsense Geezer.
    The GFC was a wonderful buying opportunity for those with money. I made some good purchases but wealthy folk were able to go on a shopping spree. They did. What you avoid is what would have happened to workers had the government of the day not kept the nation turning over. Tell me one other western nation which did not have mass unemployment.
    The NBN? It may have taken longer to do under the Labor model but better to do the job right first time than botch it up and have to pay a second time. Clearly your time in government has blinded you to the doing things properly. So now we have a third rate NBN which has cost the same as the original model......which was costed at the time.
    Pay you? Methinks your parliamentary pension is already an overpayment so take it up with Scott.
    Old Geezer
    25th Aug 2016
    9:21pm
    OK I'll split my parliamentary pension 50:50 with you then. Problem is 50:50 of nothing is till nothing. Yes I have been to the new parliament house in Canberra. Once but haven't ventured into any of the other ones in Australia. I did have a pickie taken outside the Beehive in Wellington earlier this year but didn't go in.

    Yes GFC was a good buying opportunity but it makes no sense buying stuff you don't need. I'm still shaking my head over some of the things that government wasted money on with the GFC. Very foolish and we still have their legacy to pay back on the never never.

    Wireless internet is the future now not that cable stuff of yester year.
    MICK
    26th Aug 2016
    9:52am
    Yeah Geezer.....we should have let a couple of million Australians lose their jobs during the GFC as happened in other countries. You would have scream 'murder' had that happened to your kin. Now having a bet each way.
    Wireless internet? I'm not an expert but unlikely wireless will ever run the amount of data a fibre optic cable will and also satellites cost billions to put into orbit, are susceptible to damage and would clog up earth's orbit. Your view on wireless sounds like the same ramblings from our PM when he was the Shadow Communications Minister. There is a reason why the rest of the world is putting down cable.
    phantom
    25th Aug 2016
    12:24pm
    Shorten is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He doesn't want to help, he wants the government to look bad and block everything even if it sends us broke. It will make him have a good argument next election. We are spending to much and not getting anything back. It's alright to knock it but how would you pay off our dept. Nothing is getting past in the senate because everyone wants something and Shorten only wants to stuff the government.
    pom13
    25th Aug 2016
    12:49pm
    This Government is doing very nicely to stuff itself & theCountry, it does not need Shorton's help.
    Pablo
    25th Aug 2016
    1:19pm
    You're right Phantom. Shorten has no intention of taking a bi-partisan approach to fixing the budget problems already caused by the looney left. His idea of "bi-partisan" is to insist that the Government do what he wants. He and his leftie mates are very, very dangerous and will be the downfall of our country. Shorten has no intention of working to fix the problems he and his mates caused, he just wants to take us into further debt to help his drunken sailor approach.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    2:00pm
    A post straight from Liberal Party HQ phantom. What a rusted on stoolie!
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    2:32pm
    Agree phantom, 100%.
    Shorten cannot be trusted. He was the one with his hand up the back of Rudd and Gillard. He's nothing but a bloody minded unionist. We need people with a vision and love of Australia to steer us out of this mess created by Shorten and his ragtag mates.
    The AFP tried to get the stolen NBN papers from Conroy's office. He is hiding his ineptitude under parliamentary privilege. We may never know the full story of the red undies?
    Grateful
    25th Aug 2016
    4:45pm
    Can anyone really expect Turnbull and Morrison to lower themselves by accepting anything that Labor will put up and indicate that they need help?? Those two would be the most arrogant politicians in Canberra. Shorten will keep offering it because WHEN they go to the next election, should be well before three years but it won't, surly Turnbull has learned his lesson??) he can use that as a huge plus to the electorate.
    Just watch Morrison in particular and Turnbull crawling to the cross benches as they certainly do have something in common, they all want to try to hold their jobs and be seen to be doing something!!!!
    So far, all we've seen since the election are threats to reduce the Unemployment Benefit and cut all other pensions, BUT, to keep handing out those $billions to the highest paid workers and multi national companies. That's a great way to start trying y to be bi-partisan???
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    5:51pm
    That's about where it stands Grateful. The Turnbull crew will be like the Abbott crew before him. They will destroy anything of Labor that they can irrespective of the cost to our country.
    Expect Turnbull to tell the crossbench what to do. His style. Election coming.
    Rae
    26th Aug 2016
    8:37am
    It is really worth listening to their words.

    Corman and Morrison make all decisions based on serving government and business.

    Listen to the words they use. Says it all.
    Pendrey
    29th Aug 2016
    12:30pm
    Frank has dragged the Unions into it again. Irrelevant
    justsay'n
    25th Aug 2016
    12:49pm
    What I don't understand, especially when I continually read the comments written below, is with the huge percentage of Baby Boomer Gen Pensioners, holding such a large % of voting power, how could the Liberal/Coalition have possibly got back into Government. Unfortunately I believe many of our generation are not prepared to take a stand and sit and wait for someone else to fix it.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    2:02pm
    Old people with fixed habits who have given up caring and do not listen to discussion of the issues is the only thoughts I have to answer your question.
    Only the mentally challenged could vote LNP after Abbott and Turnbull ran the show for 3 years. Decent people would not vote for a bunch of malicious low life lying cretins like the current lot.
    Rae
    25th Aug 2016
    2:17pm
    They will take notice when it is their pension being cut in the latest austerity drive. Just a matter of time really.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    2:19pm
    Probably on the money with that Rae.
    Thumper88
    25th Aug 2016
    1:02pm
    Here we go, the COALITION are already coming out with "lets blame Labor" if nothing of ours is passed. Don't forget people, the Liberal party would never govern if they were not in COALITION with another political party. Not only do they have to make the opposition happy but cross benches and there own mates in COALITION . Being permanently in COALITION with another political party reduces the clout the Liberals would otherwise have if able to govern in their own right. Unfortunately for the Liberal Party they will never govern in their own right whilst having to yield to Queensland. To govern in a COALITION is difficult at any time but to be permanently in COALITION makes the Liberal party a bunch of indecisive scatter brains that continually see fit to rule by dictatorship (Don't You Worry About That) rule, sound familiar
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    2:04pm
    That's all you'll ever get from the coalition. Blame somebody else, not themselves. I wish more voters could see through this as the nation has been thrown into the gutter since Abbott was in opposition and the current reincarnation of the same cretins are still at it.
    Rosret
    25th Aug 2016
    1:10pm
    The LNP barely returned to power this time around. One of the major reasons was the meddling into superannuation. It would do them well to respect the needs and concern of those who would normally vote for them. For a group of people who are guaranteed a yearly retirement income they are very arrogant. This isn't just giving up wine and ciggies when the next budget is announced- its a lifetime of saving that is being sabotaged.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    2:07pm
    I might think that they only fell across the line because of voter apathy. Many voters have had enough and rightly went for Independents to stop the bastards from selling the nation out to the wealthy. They should have thrown Turnbull out of government altogether as the man is a photocopy of Abbott and does not deserve to be the PM of our country.
    Franky
    25th Aug 2016
    1:15pm
    Co-operation is much better than this automatic rejection from the opposition and endless bickering - reminds me all of school boys and not befitting politicians that we, the public, pay good money to. Full marks to labour on reaching out!
    Pablo
    25th Aug 2016
    1:21pm
    When is the dopey leftie labor/greenie coalition going to accept that they LOST the ELECTION!
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    2:08pm
    What an idiot of a comment. The coalition fell across the line by 1 vote. Please tell me that this is a mandate and that Labor were rejected.
    My response to you Pablo is when is this perverse coalition government going to listen to what the nation is telling them?
    Pendrey
    25th Aug 2016
    3:32pm
    There is no such thing as a mandate. We elect two houses of Parliament which then governs. The Government has to learn to negotiate, something that it is not very good at, judging on past performance.
    Anonymous
    25th Aug 2016
    4:17pm
    Mick, last year's Grand Final was won by 1 point and North Queensland were lauded throughout the rugby league world. According to your logic, North Queensland are not really the NRL Premiers.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    5:56pm
    My point about voters exactly Old Man. Most vote for their footy team rather than a group to run the country FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE NATION.
    Saying that 1 vote is a mandate is simply crap because Turnbull was spat out and only survived because of the media grooming him and downplaying Labor as much as possible. Don't even try the mandate BS. We all know what that is and only the government uses such a term. Not the public. Not the media. not anybody with double digit intelligence.
    Pendrey
    29th Aug 2016
    12:33pm
    If Vic Labour had not screwed up over the firefighters there would be a Labour government. This mandate idea is B/S. A mandate is when a bloke takes a girl to dinner!
    Scrivener
    25th Aug 2016
    1:26pm
    I wonder why the government is still in 'election' mode. What is afoot? Why do they find it necessary, year after year to attack, attack, attack. It is a colossal waste of intellectual and emotional and physical energy. They must have stupendous reserves of each if they can do that and effectively govern at the same time. Morrison and Turnbull appear to be able to pat one's head and rub one's tummy and walk the tightrope and do calculus all at the same time. They are going to keep that up for another three years - right!
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    2:10pm
    I have been suggesting that early next year there will be another election. Then the electorate can spit out the foul taste which has managed to get back in on the back of media propaganda and unfair media coverage of the leaders.
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    2:21pm
    I don't know? Perhaps they've been reading these threads?
    Old Geezer
    25th Aug 2016
    2:35pm
    Scott Morrison is right we as a nation as now far too dependent upon welfare.

    I personally don't like the $500,000 cap at all. No it doesn't effect me personally but if you can have $1.6 million in the pension mode then there should be no restrictions on putting in $1.6 million. Most people should be able to live comfortably on $1.6 million for the rest of their lives.

    I dislike super an d it's piece meal approach to how one can add to it. It is far too complicated and need no be.

    If you win the lottery or get an inheritance you should be able to put this into your super fund until the balance reaches $1.6 million. I also disagree with people being able to have more than $1.6 million in their super fund as over this amount it is only being used as a tax shelter for the wealthy.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    8:41pm
    And let's give the rich a tax cut as well as ignore the fact that many rich and multinationals pay no or little tax. We can afford that can't we...........
    Old Geezer
    25th Aug 2016
    9:04pm
    Definitely Mick. They might just pay a bit more tax here instead of somewhere else.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    9:11pm
    Is that like the Trickle Down Effect? Big business does not want to pay tax for the most part and they have their loopholes.........which are NEVER fixed. Why is that?
    Not a Bludger
    25th Aug 2016
    2:59pm
    Shorten is a proven Union crooked deal maker who supports Union thugs to the detriment of union members - believe what falls from his lips at your peril.
    Scrivener
    25th Aug 2016
    5:43pm
    Really? Proven? Where is that proof you speak of?
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    8:39pm
    Not a Bludger, LIKE.
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    8:46pm
    Chiquita Mushrooms where workers were kept in the dark and fed bull....t. Who was the union boss to put that together?
    Four women who worked as mushroom pickers told the royal commission into union corruption they were kept in the dark about an employment deal Labor leader Bill Shorten oversaw that lowered wages in return for unusual payments to the union he led at the time.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    9:14pm
    Thugs? Really? I would have thought that most of the front bench from this government were thugs in the worst sense of the word. Guess who they are directing traffic for? Not the nation. Tax cuts for tax avoiding big business and the rich. Tally ho............
    wazza
    25th Aug 2016
    3:08pm
    I'd be wary of Bill's offer of bipartisanship. I suspect it comes with a trade-off of legalising same-sex marriage to get Penny Ping-pong off his back, introducing blasphemy laws as they've done in the ACT, among other things.
    Scrivener
    25th Aug 2016
    5:51pm
    Does scammy name-calling actually lend credibility to your assertions? I'm an old man but I have not had any qualms about Penny Wong's veracity and fitness for the job. Are you slagging her off because she is gay? That's pretty low. Even the Pope doesn't do that - not even the priests in skirts do that. So, is it her politics, sexuality, or religion or race you are focusing on? Mmm! you know where that can lead and what they call it? Mindless bigotry. Doesn't become you at all wazza. You are usually on the ball and I respect and listen to what you say - but I'm not too comfortable lending my mind to a bigot or being persuaded by one.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    8:45pm
    Actually government is about HORSE TRADING unless you have an absolute majority. This is what real politics is about and the cries of 'unfair' from this coalition government when it stamps its feet and does not get its way is quite sick.
    Shorten has done something Abbott NEVER did: offer to agree where possible. Morrison and his cronies may attack Labor for not rubber stamping his attacks on average citizens but he should be happy that Shorten is not an Abbott.
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    8:51pm
    Don't worry wazza, Scrivener's idea of a bigot is anybody who doesn't agree with him, typical looney leftie.
    Shorten has a hidden agenda never fear.
    Scrivener
    26th Aug 2016
    9:49am
    Ah Fred, that made me smile. I'm a pragmatist - at least I try to be. But looney leftie is becoming a term of affirmation, endearment and worldly wisdom the longer the IPA driven Coalition screws the citizens of this country. So, thanks for the kindly pat on the back and I will continue to do my best to disappoint you at every opportunity. Hopefully I might even get to annoy you - all in the interests, of course, of drawing your well-balanced approbation. You are so erudite, what you say uplifts the spirit.
    Scrivener
    26th Aug 2016
    9:50am
    Oh, FRED, I also meant to say, 'you don't have to agree with me.'
    MICK
    26th Aug 2016
    9:57am
    The government representatives are so predictable Scrivener. When you read a post with the words leftie, unions, pink batts and school halls you know that you are reading programed propaganda. These posters are unable to put a reasoned argument together and only allowed to post stuff which became laughable some time ago. They just don't get it.
    I like your post and can see the smile on your dial. It is amusing trying to debate the trolls.

    25th Aug 2016
    3:24pm
    Talk is cheap and until we see something done, some positive action, that's all it will be - just talk, drivel after drivel. These people are being paid by US and it's time they either shit or get off the pot.
    Scrivener
    25th Aug 2016
    5:53pm
    Cacked m'self laughing!
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    8:46pm
    "Positive action" Eddie? Hope you are not referring to climate change. The only positive action which came from that one was to close down almost every renewable energy department.
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    8:47pm
    Scrivener, don't worry, Coles have a special offer on toilet rolls with Bill Shortens face on them, it will be a pleasure to use them.

    25th Aug 2016
    4:06pm
    Shorten is grandstanding again. The proposals he is putting forward are some of those Labor took to the last election that would increase the national debt, not reduce it. He is trying to create a diversion from the proposed legislation covering $5B of savings proposed by Labor and wrapped up in a single bill by the government. He said before the election, both in writing to Turnbull and over a handshake with Morrison, that if Labor lost he would support legislation that covered the $5B that Labor had opposed.

    Now we are hearing from Labor that they might not support the legislation. They claim they haven't seen it and worse than that, a shadow minister has stated that they may not support it because it was a Labor promise and the voters rejected Labor therefore negating the promise. They blame Abbott for obstructionalism but ny doing the same only goes to ratify what Abbott did. It's time (apologies to Gough) that both parties got on with budget repair and stopped playing politics with Australia's debt.
    Old Geezer
    25th Aug 2016
    6:32pm
    Is it me but as I see it what Labor wants to do helps the wealthy not the average Joe in the street.
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    8:42pm
    Bill =borrow borrow borrow spend spend spend as always, Champagne socialist bully boy, google him and and adulterer.
    A sticky end to him please.
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    8:49pm
    We came very close to having our power costs go through the roof. You may get a couple of extra dollars in welfare but Electricity Bill will take it back plus more, every quarter.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    8:50pm
    Here come the trolls again. Straight from Liberal Party HQ.
    Show me where Tony Abbott ever offered bipartisan support? This is where Shorten and Morrison differ. Whilst we are yet to see if Shorten welches he has made the offer subject to seeing what the legislation is with no rubber stamp as demanded by the Turnbull ratpack. Pretty good offer I might think but then nothing other than total submission is ever satisfactory from the coalition scum.
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    8:56pm
    MICK, keep both hands on the keyboard!
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    9:02pm
    MICK, you use the word scum, the biggest piece of filth and scum in this country is the union bully boy Bill Shorten, how does he get away with it, the mind boggles?
    Why are so many Australians so thick?
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    9:18pm
    Actually the real scum are people who betray the nation.
    Offshore tax shelters? Tax cuts for the rich and new taxes for struggling families? Refusal to close loopholes for the big end of town to avoid their rightful tax obligations?
    Yeah fred tell me about scum. Your slant at Shorten is small fry in comparison and we have not even talked about politically motivated attacks on the opposition using OUR money. Is you mind, what their is of it, boggling? Should be.
    Anonymous
    25th Aug 2016
    10:00pm
    Mick, Shorten and his mob raised the term "rubber stamp" and no demands have been made by Turnbull or anyone else in the government. What has been done is to take Shorten at his word and create one bill to legislate all that was agreed. There has been no accusation by Shorten that the proposed bill is wrong.
    Rae
    26th Aug 2016
    9:09am
    Yes the big end of town don't have to worry about superannuation. For them it is a choice. A SIV in the Caymans might save them 100% of tax and work out better.

    Meanwhile only the wage and salary earners legally have to hand over 9% of payment to the financial industry to play with.

    I personally know retired business people who lived lives of luxury, paid minimal taxes and now get an aged pension.
    floss
    25th Aug 2016
    6:40pm
    Frank and Pablo keep up that crap and you go blind.
    Adrianus
    25th Aug 2016
    8:31pm
    Give me one good reason to listen to the looney left.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    8:51pm
    Yeah looney............I don't know why I bother to respond to their Party propaganda. Maybe want to make sure anyone reading their crap understands the posts for the BS they are. Ta.
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    8:51pm
    Frank, LIKE.
    Pamiea
    25th Aug 2016
    8:54pm
    We definitely need bipartisan. Simply put guys PULL YOUR F--KING HEADS IN ON SPENDING. FOR GOD SAKE IF WITH THE GST YOU CANT GET IT RIGHT WHAT HOPE DO WE HAVE?? BLIND FREDDIE COULD SEE THE ANSWER SO WHY CANT YOU MORONS????
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    8:57pm
    I just don't understand what you are talking about, please explain without all those silly capital letters please.
    Speaking of morons!
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    9:21pm
    Yes Pamiea. I sort of get the gist of what you are saying.
    Having run a Royal Commission into Labor Turnbull and his cronies propose to run another into unions and then run a plebiscite. Spending our money with no accountability.
    MICK
    25th Aug 2016
    9:21pm
    And NO MANDATE.
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    10:14pm
    That piece of filth Bill manage to wriggle out of the Royal Commission.
    MICK
    26th Aug 2016
    10:12am
    If you want real "filth" then take a look at this government and then the tax shelters for the wealthy to escape Australian tax system, tax avoidance altogether by multinationals (condoned and protected by the Turnbull government) and tax cuts for the rich. That is real filth. Anything else is just your normal attempts to cover up the filth pile in government.
    Pamiea
    25th Aug 2016
    9:47pm
    Fred I can understand who the moron is. YOU. You can't even get it right and use a capital F for your name.
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    10:01pm
    I have no wish to use a capital letter for my name thank you, what's your excuse? And why YOU and not you?
    Pamiea
    25th Aug 2016
    10:08pm
    Moron freD!!
    roy
    25th Aug 2016
    10:12pm
    How very very childish of you Pamlea, should you not be in bed at this time of night, sheesh.?

    25th Aug 2016
    10:15pm
    Here you are Mick, the definition of a troll.

    "In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Personal attacks, continued postings or making a crude remark is normal for a troll."

    You may be interested to know that you have, so far, made 32 posts out of 111, that's nearly 29% of the posts on this thread. You have the audacity to call others a troll when it's very clear that your darting about from post to post exactly falls into the definition.
    Adrianus
    26th Aug 2016
    8:16am
    Old Man, very accurate and well thought out post! I agree with every word. MICK is an ex Independent, pro Union, politician living in a Sydney harbour front with far too much time on his hands. So he comes on here to abuse us oldies with his name calling, and to spread lies about the government. He is quite often the first to respond to a topic because he gets a heads up 30 minutes before other posters. I think he may be getting paid by Getup?
    Old Geezer
    26th Aug 2016
    8:42am
    Some of us are not whingers and have different views on all sorts of things. I can't understand why people on welfare ie OAP are whinging so much when they should be grateful that is there as a safety net so that people don't live in poverty. Have you noticed that a lot of homeless people are not old but young and middle age? These are the people our welfare system fails.
    Rae
    26th Aug 2016
    9:22am
    Very true OG and it surprises me that there are not dedicated workers sorting out the problem.

    It shouldn't be that difficult to organise shared or hostel accommodation and jobs and medical treatment for these people.

    The absolute fear of employing anyone for anything is a tad overdone right now.

    Seeing we are the rich country everyone says it is dumb to let young people be homeless simply because they can't organise anything better for themselves and need help.

    I too see a lot of pensioners I know are on government payments spending in cafes, coffee shops and clubs.

    Foolish behaviour with times getting tougher and cries for welfare cuts.

    It can't go on. Within decades there will be 2 workers trying to support 6 retirees and that is unsustainable.

    It is time to sort out the housing and caring of dependents in a far less expensive fashion as we have to now.
    MICK
    26th Aug 2016
    9:34am
    The only trolls on this website Old Man are those running the party line for the Liberal Party. It's not as though it is not obvious.

    You have observed what is happening out there Rae. There are heaps of folk complaining so that they get more when the only real need they have is to live frugally and to put themselves out to get on. Coffee shops are often packed with pensioners or people who are not working and my wife and I often wonder how they can afford to be in such places at a minimum of $5 a hit just for a coffee.
    You are on the money about the future. Reality is coming to nations as well as individuals. Then people will have something to complain about.
    roy
    26th Aug 2016
    10:09am
    MICK is a troll par excellence and has far too much time on his hands and is one very bored and boring little boy but he won't go away, that's for sure.
    I think he must have been an insurance salesman because no one has endurance like the man who sells insurance is the old saying.
    I just wonder if his dear wife sees much of him except perhaps at mealtimes when he has to drag himself away from the computer.
    Ah well, it takes all sorts.
    Old Geezer
    26th Aug 2016
    10:09am
    We have a young girl currently living with us as she can't get a job and would be homeless otherwise. All we ask is that she helps out with a few jobs around the place in return. She has just got herself a casual job and she is over the moon about it.

    I'm glad I am to help people like this but I can't see why OAPs can't do the same without having to tell Centrelink and it's possible effect on their pension.

    I rarely go into coffee shops because I simply don't like coffee. I just ask for a mug of hot water instead.

    I agree we will have too many retirees and not enough workers to support them in the future and it is unsubstainable. The only way I think this can be managed is that people wil need to support themselves more and rely less on welfare in their old age.

    People will have to accept less living space in the future as well.
    MICK
    26th Aug 2016
    10:14am
    Great posts for the party guys. Amusing if nothing else. Send your bill in and get paid.
    Adrianus
    26th Aug 2016
    11:13am
    Agree Old Geezer. The Sydney terrace with its 3mt frontage was ahead of its time. I now see new estates with 6 terrace houses on the traditional quarter acre. I know what its like to live on the street. You can lose your faith in human nature and develop a new sense of survival. But at the same time an act of kindness as you have displayed can be so uplifting that your sense of value is restored. I too have helped a few people from time to time.
    Old Geezer
    26th Aug 2016
    12:57pm
    It actually lifts my spirit too to see how much people change for the better given a chance to do so.
    Not Senile Yet!
    25th Aug 2016
    11:10pm
    The Majority voted for these Party Puppet Fools......now you have to cop the consequences!
    You all had the chance to Vote BOTH the Parties into Oblivion by NOT giving either of them your Vote....you chose .....as you all have been doing for 20yrs.....to put them (the Party Puppets) back in! To renew their Power to simply war with one another....instead of negotiating a peace for the Country!
    As for the Libs....do not deserve to be there if they REFUSE to negotiate!
    That is what a Politician is Paid by US to do....to negotiate and move forward!
    This Government simply refuses to Govern.....It still demands to Dictate!!!
    Do NOT repeat your mistakes next election.....Kick them all OUT!!!
    MICK
    26th Aug 2016
    9:37am
    That is the honest truth Not Senile. I often say that a parliament of Independents would restore democracy and get the country running properly. But people continue to vote for their football teams and then wonder why things do not work. Says something about human intelligence or rather lack of it that people keep making the same mistake and are unable to work out why things do not improve.
    Pamiea
    26th Aug 2016
    1:15am
    Not very very childish fred. Just recognise an idiot when I read one. Don't forget to put your po under your bed :)
    roy
    26th Aug 2016
    10:10am
    And still she comes back, sheesh, shakes head.
    MD
    26th Aug 2016
    9:20am
    Wasn't it Oscar Wilde that said "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence" ?
    Oh I do so enjoy the gay repartee of Pamiea & fred (hope I've got the capital correct) they make more sense than the entire remainder thrown together.
    Good post also Scrivener, particularly your rising to the defence of Pwong - long may she rein !
    Whereas Morrison said, --- "to ensure that the tax incentives that are in the superannuation system are going further and working harder to ensure more and more Australians are able to be self-supporting in their retirement and not dependent on a pension or a part pension". Well, he would say that wouldn't he. After all, when he and his cronies retire they will surely be self supporting and not dependent on a pension or part pension - wont they , hmmm ?
    I doubt I'm the only one to have lost the plot: but even that's debatable.
    MICK
    26th Aug 2016
    9:38am
    Good one.
    MD
    26th Aug 2016
    9:20am
    Wasn't it Oscar Wilde that said "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence" ?
    Oh I do so enjoy the gay repartee of Pamiea & fred (hope I've got the capital correct) they make more sense than the entire remainder thrown together.
    Good post also Scrivener, particularly your rising to the defence of Pwong - long may she rein !
    Whereas Morrison said, --- "to ensure that the tax incentives that are in the superannuation system are going further and working harder to ensure more and more Australians are able to be self-supporting in their retirement and not dependent on a pension or a part pension". Well, he would say that wouldn't he. After all, when he and his cronies retire they will surely be self supporting and not dependent on a pension or part pension - wont they , hmmm ?
    I doubt I'm the only one to have lost the plot: but even that's debatable.
    Rosebud
    26th Aug 2016
    12:25pm
    What a disgraceful lot of name calling and berating comments from many of you so called Adults. Mick, today you take the cake, your nasty verbal babblings obviously makes you feel superior, particularly seeing you do not have to spruke your vomit to the persons face.
    Don't forget we live in a democracy and democracy has spoken, like it or lump it.
    MD
    26th Aug 2016
    2:22pm
    I think you've made your point Rosebud - quite succinctly. Yes although we do live in a (purported) democracy, we each and every one of us get the opportunity to air our grievances. I enjoyed your rebuke of poor Mick equally as much as his "verbal babblings". Try not to take it quite so seriously & that way I'd hope you'll derive greater enjoyment.(I'm not referring to the "vomit to the persons' face").

    Apologieseveryone for the 'double dip' - I was obviously keen to make my point.
    Gigi
    27th Aug 2016
    1:24pm
    Reading the rubbish on this website is concerning to some, good Australian citizens are to busy bickering with 'he said she said' to hold our Politicians to account, no matter which side of Politics they are on. Our Politicians play the same one-upmanship as individuals on this website do, which is sad. One needs to examine what is being put before to the Government by Labor & decide whether its feasible, realistic or not. IF it is then the Government should seriously consider the proposal put forward by Labor, IF it's not then Labor needs to be harpooned for its deceit. One needs to ask why Shorten did not speak with the Prime Minister or through normal political channels prior to telling the National Press Club?? This makes me sceptical of Labor's intent
    Kato
    31st Aug 2016
    7:26pm
    with the liebrils it is our way or nothing and we don't care if we run the country into ruin .
    Australia has gone backwards under the stewardship of a failed brand of liberalism taken to it's utmost selfish point of self preservation over the good of the people they promised so much too.