Leadership spill on the cards?

A turbulent term as PM may end sooner rather than later for Tony Abbott.

Leadership spill on the cards?

A turbulent term as Prime Minster may end sooner rather than later for Tony Abbott, with persistently increasing rumblings that he may face a leadership spill, led by Malcolm Turnbull.

It was previously expected that a poor showing in this weekend’s Canning by-election would seal the Prime Minister’s fate, but it seems that a spill is inevitable regardless of the result. Each of the major news outlets is predicting that Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull will make his move soon, perhaps even as early as this week.

The ABC has spoken to eight ministers, six of whom believe that Mr Abbott will be challenged by the end of the year, regardless of the result in Canning. One even gave the ominous prediction, “And this time I think they will get him”.

Fairfax, whose Ipsos poll has pointed to a swing of 10 points to Labor in Canning, is running with the story that Malcolm Turnbull’s backers are trying to persuade him to make a move on the leadership this week. While the timing may seem strange, some ministers are worried that, if the result delivers the predicted swing, then the Prime Minister may call an early election, an outcome that is considered political suicide, but as one MP is quoted as saying, “he's crazy enough to do it”.

Even News Limited is predicting a bumpy ride for the Prime Minister, with its Galaxy Poll also predicting a 10-point swing in Canning. It has chosen to run with the headline that Malcolm Turnbull refuses to rule out a leadership challenge. While one frontbencher explained this as Mr Turnbull simply refusing to give the matter of a leadership spill any oxygen and another saying it was simply “wild rumours”, a third frontbencher said, “But who knows with Malcolm, anything could happen”. 

Regardless of whether a challenge is forthcoming this week, the Prime Minister looks likely to continue to face scrutiny and dwindling support from within his own ranks. One cabinet minister has apparently already pointed out that his “six months’ is up. "He said: 'Give me six months.' Well, he has had six months and things have gone from bad to worse. He should just resign."

While another lamented to the ABC that "everybody is quite jumpy and despondent".

"That's driven by the national polls and the fact that every poll on Canning has 10 per cent-type swings," he said.

"And the fact that so much of the self-harm comes from the Prime Minister's office, that so much of it is self-inflicted."

Read more at ABC.net.au 

Read more at the Sydney Morning Herald 

Read more at News.com.au 


Opinion: Stop faffing around

If everyone is saying it, does that make it true? The general swell of opinion over the weekend that Mr Abbott’s days as Prime Minister are numbered may just be enough to force action within the Liberal Party. By anyone’s standards, Mr Abbott has been a remarkably resilient Prime Minister, so it’s difficult to see him bowing to pressure from within his own party to stand aside, but would that be a better option for all rather than face the second, in seven months, leadership spill?

If what is said is to be believed, then Malcolm Turnbull has simply been biding his time to make a move on the leadership of the Liberal Party and by default, the prime ministership. And one can only assume if Malcolm is eyeing up the top job, then there will be others only too happy to throw their hats in the ring once the challenge has been issued. And while this may make for interesting viewing for the Labor Party and other political ghouls, as a nation, it’s difficult to stand by and simply accept the constant political upheaval that results in a lack of action on much needed policy.

Regardless of what happens with the Liberal leadership over the next couple of months, we will soon be facing our next federal election and no matter what way you look at it, the last term could hardly be described as a success. The current government is the least effective for 44 years when it comes to passing meaningful legislation. And while it has managed to stop the boats and repeal the carbon tax, measures which have little effect on people’s everyday lives, it has made a considerable number of backflips on what it touted as its key policy items, such as the Medicare co-payment, Age Pension cuts, deregulation of higher education and, of course, Mr Abbott’s signature paid parental leave.

When all is said and done, it’s simply time to stop faffing around. Australia deserves a Prime Minster and a government that will work for it, and if Tony Abbott isn’t up to the job, it’s time to find the man, or woman, who is. And fast!

Should Tony Abbott stand aside as Prime Minister? Do you believe he is still the right man for the job? Would Malcolm Turnbull unite the party? Or do you think there is someone more suitable? 





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    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    10:02am
    Anybody who watched Tony Abbott being interviewed on The 7:30 Report would understand how woeful this PM is. When asked specific questions Abbott started ranting on with his slogans..."stopped the boats", "repealed the Carbon Tax", etc., etc. When Sales said that none of these had anything to do with the questions Abbott went for another trot.
    As I have said on numerous occasions this man it an embarrassment. He should have gone long ago. It is a pity his crook Party have taken so long to understand that this has to happen and the interesting outcome will be who comes in. I am willing to bet we see either Bishop (ahhhhh) or Morrison (yukkkk). Whilst Turnbull should be the obvious choice the big business owners of the Party do not like the fact that Turnbull has a bit of moral fibre so it is unlikely he will get the nod. But lets wait for the fat lady to sing maybe. We live in interesting days.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    11:13am
    mick, apart from your beloved carbon tax being repealed what has the Abbott government done wrong?
    Oldchick
    14th Sep 2015
    12:07pm
    More to the point Frank - what have they done right - or even done. Sure, they've hit the little people in the hip pocket and made it even harder for them to live, they've made promises and never carried through on them and they're still blaming Labor for all of the countries woes long after getting into power. How long can they play that tune. If they were as good as they say they are they wouldn't be going through this period of instability within their own party and the country would be showing more confidence regarding investment, jobs, spending etc than we are. No-one is spending money because they don't know what the future holds, therefore if there is no consumer confidence and no employer confidence the economy stagnates. It is definitely time for a change. I have always been a Labor voter but I would be happy to see Turnbull take over because at least he has a brain, not like the current so called leader and his side-kick Hockey.
    Anonymous
    14th Sep 2015
    12:14pm
    frank - your so right - .despite Abbotts gaffs his government has been vastly superior to Rudd/Gillard - I would have liked more done on budget and deficit but its moving in the right direction. As to the article above Debbie give me a break - Abbott has the worst Senate make-up since federation - its almost impossible to get legislation through.
    The facts are mining and carbon taxes are gone - boats stopped (all critics said it could not be done) - the budget and deficit shows signs of improving - jobs are being created at a better rate than under Rudd/Gillard and finally Shorten will destroy this great country with his ill conceived policies.
    The canberra press gsllery and left wing journalists want an unstable Abbott government because they fear that in an election campaign Aboott will be able to convince enough Australians to trust him on border security and economy over Shorten.
    Turnbull is a dud who cannot command the support of ordinary conservatives
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    1:05pm
    bob menzies, I agree. Shorten almost destroyed us when in government. His position on border security remains unclear. Under Labor 50,000 were encouraged to make, and survived, the perilous leaky boat journey. Under Labor a further 150,000 illegals entered while they allowed Immigration Department corruption and people smugglers to operate under our noses. Under Labor this will continue!! When Gillard realised Rudd would not step aside, she phoned Bill Shorten, the Union top dog. Shorten has always been the one groomed to take over leadership of the ALP. He has always been the union puppet.
    PlanB
    14th Sep 2015
    1:12pm
    What has Abbott done wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????

    Being leader is one, he is a complete IDIOT
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    1:40pm
    What else do you expect from Frank the troll Inc. What has the Abbott government done wrong? What a joke. All you are ever capable of is turning any argument around to Shorten and unions. The reality is your boss is a liar of the worst kind who has added a heap of debt whilst crying "fix the budget" and repealed a Carbon Tax which was working perfectly for his owners in the coal industry...for which we are ALL paying an extra $8 billion a year now with heaps of jobs having gone in the coal industry and of course the renewables sector which this vandal has decimated has cannibalised.
    You have a hide posting this sort of stuff Frank. As I said before you are not a real Australian because you do not represent the interests of the nation and the people who reside here. And as for Bob Menzies above, tell me he is not on the payroll too.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    5:04pm
    Mick the devout communist is in full voice, how dumb can you get. It's the 21st century Mick, communism is dead and buried.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    5:06pm
    Brain dead mick is on a roll, calling everybody a troll, his favourite word. Grow up mick please.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    6:27pm
    What has this Government done wrong? Pity they are not allowed to do the things they really want to do.
    Anonymous
    14th Sep 2015
    7:04pm
    mick - sorry not on any payroll just an ordinary retiree - mick I am conservtive because I hate communism and socialism while noble hasn't worked - but even more importantly I fundamentally believe in the Menzies doctrines of small government - lower taxes and encouraging individual development - also in 1966 I was a young cadet officer on a merchantr ship in refit in sydney and remember well the lazy unions - one time I was asked by Captain to get a light globe but it was not simple - had to get a union storeman to give me but then he had to give it to a pinter and docker who then had to give to an electrician - a simple 1/2 hour job took hours - then I watched dockyard people sitting in the sun for hours on end doing nothing - they were all labor voters and I made a commitment to never vote for anyone who supports such laziness. Back then labor also supported communism (that now belongs to greens). So as I was working in 66 you can guess how old I am - further my dad served in WW2 and hated Nazis and Communists and Mum she is still going now in her 90s and has always voted for the country party (now nationals).
    The coalition is by no means perfect but they are far better than alternative - the only exception was Hawke who was very good.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    7:41pm
    Interesting comments above FROM THE LIBERAL PARTY. So now we have communism? A sad day when the once great Liberal Party is reduced to employing trolls to tell the above sort of sick stories. All rubbish. Genuine posters know that.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    8:48pm
    bob menzies, you are a gentleman and are making too much good sense for mick to understand. That is his default modus operandi. A little like a dog barking.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    8:50pm
    There's mick using his favourite troll word again, he is so boring for a commie, back to Moscow mickski.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:54pm
    Commie,commie, commie. If you were not so funny you'd be sad.
    Frank: the only "dog barking" is you and your continual 'Labor' and 'union' comments. In case you have not heard your master is gone. So who will be walking you now?
    particolor
    14th Sep 2015
    10:14am
    NEXT !
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    8:28pm
    Done and dusted last night particolor.
    Batara
    14th Sep 2015
    10:18am
    To my way of thinking YLC readers should be leading the way to get rid of this regressive government and see it replaced by a more progressive administration that cares for people. Let's show young people the way out of the wilderness Australia has entered with Abbott as the aggressor devoid of leadership qualities.
    particolor
    14th Sep 2015
    10:25am
    They could go up a rung and get a Used Car Salesman ! :-)
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    10:38am
    Batara please try to pay attention. We had a caring nurturing government in last time and we found they were caring , but only for themselves. Their leader abuses little nice pie shop ladies for running out of pies and doesn't care enough to know if the poor little kid washed up on the Turkey beach was a little boy. If he sells out low paid workers what chance do the rest of us have?
    Anonymous
    14th Sep 2015
    12:20pm
    Frank - spot on again and I am so proud that my sisters grand daughter who turned 18 last month has just gone and joined the liberal party - I love the way the SCUM (socialists,communists, unionists, marxists) now use the word progressive to describe themselves - pathetic - to those who love them so much ever wondered why since 1901 ever 7 out of 10 years Australia has been governed by conservatives and long may it remain so
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    5:08pm
    bob menzies, yours is one of the best postings for ages and so true, read it mick.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    6:23pm
    and where are you going to get such a Governement?
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    7:51pm
    And here you have 4 trolls. Probably all the same poster as the nonsense never changes.
    The answer to your perverse question longdistancerunner is that the Liberal Party has governed more than Labor because THE BIG MONEY AND THEIR MEDIA OUTLETS HAVE RUN CAMPAIGNS WHICH ARE LESS THAN HONEST OR FAIR. I have no time for your propaganda or that of your team above. You are not real Australians of any merit and real Australians would find your behaviour disgusting.
    Listen to the media tonight. It appears that your employer is gone. Anybody who saw your boss on The 7:30 Report would understand why Abbott is going. Bring it on.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    8:51pm
    mick you are so boring with over use of the troll accusation, just grow up and move to Moscow Komrad.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:54pm
    It is what it is just like you are what you are.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    10:46pm
    Oh dear I didn't know I had an employer. Not much of one though as he doesn't pay me. OK I get it you are talking about the Government as the employer of welfare for those who think they deserve it. Maybe I just did too many hard yards to have to deal with Centrelink wanting to know where and how many logs I have stuffed with cash. If that's what being a troll is then I'm loving it.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    10:55pm
    Have read a lot of your comments bonny. Most appear to be advertisements.
    I have no issue with ANYONE who makes it on their own. I have. Worked hard. Suffered a lot. Done without. I have no issues if you have dough derived from hard work.
    I do have issues when you post some of the propaganda from the current government rather than having a balanced argument: something that some of the posters on this website never have.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    11:21pm
    I guess it's because I don't have a welfare mentality that my comments may sound like propaganda to you but I'm no LIberal or Labor for that matter. If anything I suppose I'm aligned closer to the Greens than any other party. Personally I prefer to work smarter rather than harder with most of my time spent doing what I want not what I am required to do. I employ others to do most of that.

    I do however know that things are changing and we need to rethink consumerism and all reassess our individual footprints as things are not sustainable. We just can't keep digging stuff up, using it and throwing it away when we tire of it.
    Misty
    15th Sep 2015
    12:05am
    Bonny your comment above echoes that ad on TV, the one about trading, where it says something like, I work harder for a few years so I can retire and do the things that no others can.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    8:27pm
    Bonny: the Greens??? You poor thing. Desperation methinks.
    Hasbeen
    14th Sep 2015
    10:27am
    With the lefties proven ability to pick hopeless leaders, think Whitlam, Latham, Rudd, Gillard etc., it is little wonder they are drawn to Turnbull. Any thinking person can see he is a disgusting snake in the grass, & could never vote for him.

    He will never be elected PM, too many liberal voters would refuse to vote for the slimy bugger for that to happen.

    I wonder if that is why the left, including the dumb media, all promote Turnbull. They probably see his promotion to liberal leadership as their best chance of winning an election.
    Janus
    14th Sep 2015
    10:47am
    The biggest problem is that the Labor party has so little talent and such a poor history, it is difficult to support them. the greens are wacky with silly policies. The Liberals are full of dills, as has become very apparent. Who's left over?

    Unfortunately I see Turnbull as the only real option - I haven't voted Liberal for a while - because he is to the left of most most Libs. He is to the left of some in Labor!

    We need a centre party that is caring, policy driven, and not controlled by either business or unions.
    Janus
    14th Sep 2015
    10:47am
    The biggest problem is that the Labor party has so little talent and such a poor history, it is difficult to support them. the greens are wacky with silly policies. The Liberals are full of dills, as has become very apparent. Who's left over?

    Unfortunately I see Turnbull as the only real option - I haven't voted Liberal for a while - because he is to the left of most most Libs. He is to the left of some in Labor!

    We need a centre party that is caring, policy driven, and not controlled by either business or unions.
    Anonymous
    14th Sep 2015
    12:23pm
    Hasbeen - I agree and Janus well said - like you I think we need a centre party and you know what I think Mick might agree - Mick says we should vote for independents which is fair enough but I wonder how it would work in practice whereas a centre party might work
    Kali-G
    14th Sep 2015
    7:14pm
    Absolutely Correct! Vote for Turnbull is SUICIDE!. He is SO left wing...
    Hasbeen
    14th Sep 2015
    7:41pm
    Hi bob Menzies. I think if you look at the cross benches in the senate you will see what we would get if we voted for independents. I don't believe it is possible for the average punter to find the time to get a real idea of most of the independents who stand. In fact most of us don't really know enough about even the party leaders when we go to vote.

    Many who have voted independent have quite quickly regretted it.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    7:56pm
    Janus: Agreed. Both sides have a lot of dead wood in their ranks. The real problem though is that many are puppets who have no say and vote for whatever the Party line is no matter what the subject. In regard to Independents there are some good candidates as well as some very ordinary ones. The difference between Independents is that Independents do not have to sell their souls and will do what they think is right. Get any MPs from either Liberal and Labor to vote according to their conscience and/or the good of the nation and see what happens to them. Not pretty.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    8:53pm
    mick, are you really a brain surgeon?
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:55pm
    You don't have to worry longdistance as you appear not to have one....commie, commie, commie.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    10:30am
    It was a lot easier for the leftist media to influence the government decision making process when the Unions and Greens were in government. Rudd made deal with the Unions/Greens prior to his win in 2007 but did not keep his word so he became fodder for the left media. Hard to win anything when both left and right media views are against you.
    I think many people are beginning to see the leftist media for what it is.
    The Abbott government is hated so much by the left media because it has been embarrassed for doing what they said was impossible.
    A Conservative government would find it very difficult to sack a first term sitting Prime Minister, unlike the Unions/Greens Party.
    particolor
    14th Sep 2015
    10:36am
    Both party's should have a Big Clean Up now and Sack the Pair Of Them !! :-)
    Janus
    14th Sep 2015
    10:41am
    Frank, what "leftist media" are on about? The media dumped on the Labor party so hard, it rang like an anvil. You aren't actually thinking that the Murdoch press is anything to the left of Ghengis Khan are you? Abbott has has so much support from the press, but now that they see he is doomed, they are making excuses. ABC has a "left" reputation, and look how he has knocked them about.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    10:49am
    Janus, I have seen Murdoch media as a swinger over the years.
    And when Murdoch supported the left did we hear the same level of criticism?
    Tom Tank
    14th Sep 2015
    12:16pm
    The only time Murdoch supported the left was when Mahon was P.M. and until now he was always considered to be the worst P.M. Australia had ever had. At least now Billy can sleep in peace as Tony has taken that mantle from him.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    7:59pm
    Lefties, communists, unions, Labor. Familiar stories from troll Frank, hard at work for the Party. Never an honest analysis from the trolls. Only ever propaganda!
    Interesting evening and looks like Abbott is gone. Not overdue. So what will the trolls then say?
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    8:55pm
    And still mick the commie uses the troll word, shakes head.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:56pm
    Comme, commi, commie...oi, oi, oi.
    PlanB
    14th Sep 2015
    10:41am
    Yes when you think Abbott has done the MOST stupid thing he or anyone could do he proves us all wrong and comes out with more doozies, I have NO idea how this idiot ever became leader of anything!
    Anonymous
    14th Sep 2015
    12:35pm
    He's a total idiot with a very bad case of foot-in-mouth, again and again; an embarrassment in Australia and on the world stage. The coalition should not think twice before getting rid of this first time PM.
    Sceptic
    14th Sep 2015
    3:48pm
    Of course you two who are calling Mr Abbott an idiot both had Rhodes scholarships and graduated with honours in economics. If not, I think it is clear who are the idiots.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    6:13pm
    Well said sceptic, these communist idiots don't have a clue.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    6:35pm
    People don't accept communism if they are intelligent.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:02pm
    People don't listen to Frank unless they are brain dead.
    Tony Abbott is a total idiot. Anybody who watched Abbott being interviewed in The 7:30 Report last week would have no uncertainty about that. A total embarrassment to every Australian and well gone.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    8:51pm
    mick Tony Abbott became Prime Minister. How far did your political career get? I doubt if you got past first base.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    8:57pm
    Hey Frank, leave Komrad mick alone he is an eminent brain surgeon, did you not know?
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:57pm
    I never sold my soul to the devil Frank.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    7:14am
    longdistancerunner, mick is an ex independent labor politician like Craig Thompson was. Who now spends his time working for Getup/unions as a troll. Ever notice how he works this blog? Always congratulating posters who have a negative government view. Normal people do not do that. His M O is straight out of the union handbook. If anyone shows signs of having individual thought then they need to be ridiculed, character assassinated and then threatened in that order.
    mick has progressed to stage 3 with me by threatening to pay me a visit.
    This is the union way so it would not surprise me to learn mick is being paid directly from the unions.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    8:57am
    Coming from a government stoolie? The reason I have offered to visit you Frank is that this will establish your bona fides. We wouldn't want that would we.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    10:13am
    My bona fides are well and truly established mick. Thanks just the same. mick how about you establish your own bona fides??!!
    In true commie fashion, Gillard built up a 1600 strong media marketing team (troll team). I believe many of these are still active and you could be a relic mick. It's time to come clean.
    PlanB
    15th Sep 2015
    11:10am
    I hear many say about Abbott being a Rhodes however Abbott mainly got in because of sport --he sure never proved he had and ability to be PM and has made some VERY stupid statements -- he never even knew how many points there were on the stars on the Aussie flag ! He said there were 6 points --and there were a heap of them behind him at the time !
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    8:25pm
    Frank: the only people I can recall using the word "commie" in the past 20 years is you, londistancerunner and oars. There goes my assertion that all are YOU.
    I imagine now that ABbott is gone you are out of a job? Is that right....or is Turnbull going to keep you on? Clearly you did not do the job well enough or your boss would still be in a job.
    Janus
    14th Sep 2015
    10:53am
    This being a page for retirees, which of the parties has said ANYTHING about the plight of us older non-workers? After Abbott cut the floor out from the pension, many are struggling, and will use up their super in a few years. Neither of the major parties seem to care! Maybe they forget that we are a major voting block.

    Now the Libs are talking about raising the GST to 15%, but compensating pensioners. What if you are self-funded? It blows away your future totally. but is Labor any better? i think not!!
    PlanB
    14th Sep 2015
    11:00am
    Both parties are pretty useless at this time
    Batara
    14th Sep 2015
    11:17am
    Janus, what we have are two parties that do not give much cause for hope. We have the incompetent and malevolent COALition led by Abbott, or the incompetent bumbling but well meaning Labor Party under Shorten. I would go for the one that is not malevolent. One thing for sure - Abbott's COALition offers nothing to us old buggers.
    Rae
    14th Sep 2015
    1:48pm
    Janus it is a pity about the attack on self funded retirees as I believe the government has just managed to destroy any belief in a superannuation industry.

    Even the economic writers are prefacing comments with" under existing legislation" these days as the sovereign risk is so huge.
    The Financial Review is giving info on how to close down self managed funds as well.

    The one saving grace is that if you receive no government pension at all then taking payment from your estate won't be possible. That will be the next little Fair and Sustainable Act I suspect. Charging your pension against the house if you own one.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    3:35pm
    We all think we are being attacked and singled out by this government. Truth is we are all right. Everyone is being asked to do some heavy lifting.
    Captain
    14th Sep 2015
    4:19pm
    Frank, my wife and I have done the "heavy lifting" for more than 50 years each. Now we are retired, not getting a pension or concessions. Pray tell, for how much longer do we have to do the heavy lifting?
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    5:19pm
    As long as it takes but no longer than necessary I hope :)
    Perhaps youre right Captain. Perhaps we should think only of ourselves and not others who may be worse off.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    6:33pm
    OK I'll be the breaker of bad news the good days are now behind us all we are going into a era where our standard of living is going to change and we better get used to it.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:06pm
    We live in dangerous times Rae. When governments cannot find more money to spend they borrow and they cannibalize their own citizens. Expect things to get worse no matter which side of politics is in government. Average Australians are fair game because they, unlike the rich, cannot set up combinations of companies, trusts tax shelters and other instruments so that they are beyond the reach of their predator governments.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    9:00pm
    So mick, are you saying that all the champagne socialists in Oz don't bend the rules, open your eyes for goodness sake. How much is Krudd worth and many others of his ilk?
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:58pm
    Is this a post from the brain dead longdistance?
    Pablo
    14th Sep 2015
    11:21am
    Why don't you tell the whole story!!! It has been ineffective because of the coalition of all non-Liberal/CP members in the Senate. They have continually blocked anything that the Abbott government has tried to achieve. And the backflips are solely because of the same negative Senate.
    Look at the mess left by the last Labour/Green Coalition government and ask yourselves do you want them back in power? I certainly don't until they get rid of their welfairy, leftie attitudes that are dragging our country down. Do you want another 50,000 or more illegal economic migrants each year deciding they are going to come to our country whether we want it or not? Do you want the leftie "spend like a drunken sailor" attitude that is fast sinking our country? I certainly don't!
    PlanB
    14th Sep 2015
    11:47am
    Everyone forgets that if the "Lefties" had NOT spent we would have been in the $**t long b4 this as they got us through the GFC and at least we never had the likes of idiot Abbott to be a real embarrassment and now he is willing to go to war just like Howard
    Pablo
    14th Sep 2015
    11:52am
    Plan B, I would prefer to be fighting them over there than here at home. We already have enough terrorists living here without bringing more of them here!
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    12:10pm
    At least the 80 or so terrorists who came back from Syria showed some self preservation. But how long will they remain in that state of mind?
    Tom Tank
    14th Sep 2015
    12:20pm
    Since WW2 there has only ever been 2 governments who controlled both Houses of Parliament. All the other governments had hostile Senates but got on with the business of running the country, with a fair degree of success.
    The fact is that Tony in incapable of working with anyone who has a different point of view as he wants to kick their head.
    Huskie
    14th Sep 2015
    12:29pm
    Pablo, you sound like the person that said this

    "........voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

    In case you did not know it was Hermann Goering during the Nuremburg Trials!!
    Pablo
    14th Sep 2015
    2:08pm
    Huskie, you are a typical leftie - when you can't participate usefully you resort to name calling and denigration. Pathetic!
    Sceptic
    14th Sep 2015
    3:53pm
    If only the Chinese had bought our commodities then there may have been no need to waste, er, spend all that money on saving us Plan B.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:13pm
    Pablo: new poster, same propaganda.
    The Independent senators ARE NOT OWNED as are MPs in the current Liberal government. So they vote according to the legislation and its merits. If they voted against Tony Abbott's Bills (a few of them!) then it is because of what these Bills contains: mostly attacks on poor and average Australians!! We need more of them: MPs who represent the country, NOT RICH VESTED INTERESTS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO LNP ELECTION FUNDING COFFERS.
    You are correct PlanB. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I think that the trolls above would have been the first to attack Labor had it allowed their family members to be thrown out of work. Not the low life cash for comment responses attack the previous governments for doing exactly that.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    9:01pm
    And still mick the brain surgeon is using the troll word, shakes head, what a bore you are Komrad.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    10:00pm
    Make a comment worthy of the word and stop posting government adds and the responses will represent that.

    14th Sep 2015
    11:26am
    I am surprised the Abbott regime has lasted this long.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:15pm
    Going tonight methinks. Despite the Abbott lecture tonight and more slogans he is likely gone. It cannot come soon enough.
    Not a Bludger
    14th Sep 2015
    11:38am
    Frank and Hasbeen are both absolutely correct - the permanently outraged, moaning lefties are at it again.
    Renny
    14th Sep 2015
    1:11pm
    Yep. Permanently outraged - by greedy right wingers and a useless government. Leftie - yes and proud of it - we care about more than our own selfish wants. Moaning - you can call it that but I prefer to call it engagement in democracy. As far as I'm concerned lefties are saving us from a neo-fascist nightmare - government by the few for their mates. In case you hadn't noticed - car industry gone, more people unemployed, our jobs increasingly sold off to whoever will take low enough pay, our TAFE system destroyed by private enterprise so no trades, we just import people with the silks instead of giving our kids jobs. As Abbott said - he'd sell his arse for power. Him and the LNP are only interested in what they can get out of their term in office. People who care loathe them. I hope your wallet and you are happy.
    PlanB
    14th Sep 2015
    1:14pm
    Renny dead right there
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    3:28pm
    Yes NaB they sound convincing because they appear not in control of their emotions, but it is all false. I recall the tears in parliament when their policies were causing the drowning deaths. I recall how they sobbingly promised not to leave parliament that day until the issues were resolved. Labor and Greens had an opportunity to reinstate the Howard Solution that Rudd had dismantled but didn't.
    We need a government which can get the job done and without the soap opera acting.
    Sceptic
    14th Sep 2015
    3:55pm
    Sorry for your spelling mistakes Renny, shouldn't that be "left whingers"?
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:16pm
    Lefties, commis, etc. Give it a break trolls. Readers can see through this.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    9:04pm
    mick, give it a break, the troll word again, you are like a little parrot.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    10:01pm
    When you stop posting from the Liberal Party advertising manual I'll give you a break. Propaganda is what it is. You are what you are.
    Young
    14th Sep 2015
    11:43am
    If Tony Abbott gets the boot I wonder how long it will be before the press and commentators turn on Malcolm T.Malcolm has been everybody's darling so far.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:17pm
    I'd say Abbott is gone. No matter which side of politics readers support it is clear that Abbott is POISON FOR THE COUNTRY.
    SGW
    14th Sep 2015
    11:48am
    At least the UK now has a choice of political parties after Corbyn's win, we are left with 2 sides of the same face.
    Snowwhite
    14th Sep 2015
    11:55am
    Pablo maybe you haven't seen the debt that the Coalition has racked up since being in power. They have doubled the deficit and as of August 2015 Gross Govt Debt was $384.7 billion! It's the highest level ever recorded. You would have to be a rabid Liberal to think they are good fiscal managers.
    Pablo
    14th Sep 2015
    12:00pm
    The result would have been a lot different if the leftie coalition in the senate hadn't continually blocked anything to do with reducing expenditure, the type of expenditure embarked on by the lefties themselves!
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    12:20pm
    Snowwhite 80% of spending needs Senate support to change. The previous government locked in spending and campaigned heavily for those Senate seats. If they wanted to screw us they could not have done a better job. Now they want to block economic expansion. Labor is a political machine which will try to destroy the LNP at the expense of Australia. We are the collateral damage.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:22pm
    Snowwhite: the above trolls do not want to talk about their boss' debt burden. They never discuss the $8 billion a year taxpayers now have to kick in because this government repealed the Carbon Tax for its election funding providers the coal industry. Nor have the trolls mentioned that Tony ABbott and his government REMOVED THE DEBT CEILING so that it could borrow, borrow, borrow. And it has. No GFC but borrowed like a drunken gambling addict.
    The above posts are from trolls here to support their employer.
    Abbott will be sent packing tonight. Long overdue. The guy is an embarrassment to all of us.
    Snowwhite
    14th Sep 2015
    12:03pm
    Frank and Not a Bludger why do you think anyone left of Fascism is a dole bludger? We are all entitled to an opinion and I definitely think our current Fascist Govt is only governing for those who believe in their ideology.
    I don't.
    SGW
    14th Sep 2015
    12:12pm
    agree
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    12:27pm
    Snowwhite, I would be happy for you to cut n paste where I have stated that? Your opinion will be judged on it's merits if you have no facts to substantiate it.
    Your post does say a lot about who you vote for and why though. And that's fair enough. Our promotion of a political party should be based on policy and not ideology.
    Kaz
    14th Sep 2015
    1:15pm
    Why is supporting labor a bad thing? Frank is obviously a conservative and we vote according to our values - the dollar or the people/environment. Why don't we have earnest discussion on policy and perhaps we will discover some intelligent solutions.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    3:12pm
    Labor sacked their last good PM. No not Kevin Rudd or Julia Gillard of course, I refer to Bob Hawke. But even Hawkes ideology got us into a recession.
    Bob Hawke is urging Shorten not to block the China FTA but Shorten is a union stooge so why would he? Meanwhile the unions are attacking poor old Bob Hawke like a pack of rabid dogs.
    A vote for the ALP, Greens, Independents is a vote for the unions.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:25pm
    Frank is a troll who turns everything around to Labor and unions. Whilst I value opinions from all sides I find the 'comments' from Frank and several other posters (who appear to be avatars of Frank) quite sick. Pay no attention to them. They are not a part of this community.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    11:33pm
    Unionism has had it day and now must find other ways to flex it's muscle. All the big issues have been over accomplished and what we are now seeing is the consequences of that. Our wages are too high and too highly regulated to the rest of the world so much so we can't compete on price any more. We now have to deal with frustrating overseas call centres that do everything to a script with any minor deviation causing a meltdown and it being put in the too hard basket not to mention the language and different ways of doing thing between different country cultures.

    I had a job where I was forced to join a union by my colleagues but it all came unstuck for them when the union got a judgement in my favour but not in theirs.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    8:59am
    Sure Bonny/Frank.
    Let's remove all unions so that the wealthy have their dirt poor slaves. "Let them eat cake" will be what working Australians are told! Look at China at present and this will be the future YOU and your Liberal Party want for the nation. Not on. Ever.
    Snowwhite
    14th Sep 2015
    12:12pm
    You're dreaming Pablo! Not with Abbott and Hockey in charge. Even the RBA and most Economists think they putting us into a recession. And it's not one we had to have!!! You can only blame the Senate and the previous Govt for so long. When will they stop blaming everyone but themselves for their incompetence??
    Ladybug
    14th Sep 2015
    12:12pm
    Daffy Duck would make a better PM than Daffy Abbott.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    6:14pm
    What a childish comment.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:28pm
    Spot on Ladybug. Did you watch the interview on the 7:30 Report last week? Embarrassing that this man is our PM. Not much longer as I predict he will be gone in the next couple of hours.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    9:03pm
    Amazing, a posting from mick that didn't include the troll word.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    10:02pm
    That is because you posted something not from the government media book. Comprenez?
    Misty
    15th Sep 2015
    12:55pm
    None so blind as them that cannot see longdistancerunner, well the majority of the LNP were not blind and could see the writing on the wall and changed leader, so get over it those of you who do not agree, MT is here to stay this time.
    Snowwhite
    14th Sep 2015
    12:30pm
    Frank if the LNP's policies were fair to the majority of Australians it would have passed in the Senate. How do you think the previous minority' Labor Govt managed to pass over 500 pieces of legislation? The current far right Lieberal (deliberate spelling) Govt has broken just about every promise made before the election!! Wise up and stop blaming the Opposition.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    6:37pm
    It's about time the senate realised that things have changed and the LNP policies need to be passed for the benefit of all Australians. Far too many people have a welfare mentality and depend on welfare now which does does no one any good.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:30pm
    Ha, ha, ha. Bonny...what a troll!!
    So now vee vill do vat de Fuhrer demands? Only in your dreams.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    10:59pm
    Wish it was only in my dreams but sadly it's reality. Our lucky country has lost it's luck and it can no longer afford to keep people who do nothing but expect to be fed.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:03am
    Our lucky country has not "lost" its luck, it has been betrayed by bad governments caving in to the whims of the rich on one side and those who do not want to work and contribute to the nation on the other. WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT by career politicians who care more for the vested interests who get them elected than the nation. And voters keep this game going by voting Labor/Liberal rather than chucking them out and putting in Independents who mostly represent the interests of the country.
    Snowwhite
    14th Sep 2015
    12:34pm
    Frank I know who's bringing this country down and it's not the Unions or the Opposition as you imply. Abbott would do better if he governed for all Australians instead of the mining magnates and his masters the IPA.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    6:38pm
    Wake up things have changed in this country the glory days are over and that is what the LNP is trying to address.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:31pm
    Yes Snowwhite.

    14th Sep 2015
    12:47pm
    Abbott has lied repeatedly, is more indecisive than not, condones the ineptness of colleagues by passive acceptance of their actions, has little positive direction or policy for the country's future (manages by crisis), and greatly lacks support by the party he is supposed to be the leader of. He should have been canned or resigned LONG ago.
    bebby
    14th Sep 2015
    12:57pm
    After the disgusting behaviour Abbott indulged in as Opposition Leader, I believe that what is happening to him now is Karma.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:33pm
    What comes around comes around bebby. After torpedoing EVERYTHING the former government put up Abbott should not be too unhappy that he is being sent on his way. He deserves it.
    PlanB
    14th Sep 2015
    1:07pm
    Pablo, you sound like the person that said this

    "........voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

    In case you did not know it was Hermann Goering during the Nuremburg Trials!!



    Yes dead right there and thats what this Government is doing and it is working on most people that can't see through it
    Pablo
    14th Sep 2015
    2:14pm
    PlanB, you need to get an original thought into that head of yours instead of copying "Husky's" post to the letter!
    Finni
    14th Sep 2015
    1:35pm
    No politician,has the guts to make plans for the long time future of Australia all they care about is their pension, Our grand kids are the ones who are going to pay for the mess this country is in. The way we are being LED we will end up the same as Greece, minor parties in charge and no one game to do anything ( just as they are now ) if they were kids u would send them to bed, to busy looking after themselves our polies
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:38pm
    Many of us despair at the truth of what you have written Finni. What you need to add is that politicians are involved in providing legislation for wealthy vested interests who provide election funding. Better known as 'prostitution'. Sad that this is what politics in Australia has become.
    Polly Esther
    14th Sep 2015
    1:48pm
    Believe me, Abbott and Costello together are a formidable team, one to be reckoned with.
    So too were the Three Stooges.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:39pm
    Abbott and Hockey? Dumb and dumber?
    Swinging voter
    14th Sep 2015
    1:58pm
    He's a decent family man and if we still had Labor the floodgates would open - 12.5 million taxpayers slugged with long term welfare for an influx of country shoppers that would probably make Labor's previous 50,000 seem miniscule. As for Shorten, well wasn't he the "big union man" who heavied the little pie shop lady, throwing the f. word at her like she was some peasant supposed to provide his child with a pie whether or not she had sold out. As for Turnbull if ever there was a white-anter it is him, he's almost as bad as Rudd Gillard and Shorten. I don't want the crooked stand-over CFMEU running my country because they, aided with other fat cat union bosses, who seem to enjoy lining their pockets while running our country into trouble. Nothing in the press about Craig Thompson's recent appearance. Just wait until Blewitt and Gillard's former union boss Wilson are charged - I bet Labor wish they could get into power before that union threesome hits the fan. Just like how they want the TURC stopped because all their criminal supporters are being exposed. Abbott is no smoothie but he's certainly a cut above the Green/Labor/Union party.
    Swinging voter
    14th Sep 2015
    2:00pm
    And before anyone gets smart enough to say I'm not a swinging voter here's the facts. I voted for Hawke and Keating and always Labor before them but when Rudd and Gillard got going that was it for me. If Labor got another Hawkie then I'd consider swinging back. He kept the unions under control.
    Pablo
    14th Sep 2015
    2:17pm
    Agree with you totally Swinging Voter, you and I must have stood side by side in the voting booth. I will never vote labour again while there are so many crooks and welfairies in charge of it, in and out of parliament!
    PlanB
    14th Sep 2015
    3:06pm
    Swinging Voter,

    We don't vote him to a family man we vote him to run the country and NOT to lie
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:43pm
    Swinging voter: That you posting under another name Frank? Sounds like your sort of spiel. Crap, crap and more crap!!!
    "Family man".............so are voters supposed to feel sorry for the most dishonest PM we have had in living memory who cares nothing for the country he leads as he drags us all through the mud? Tony Abbott is going in the next hour. At least Turnbull has half a chance of being a real PM, even if I don't support his policies.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    9:10pm
    Swinging voter looks like the truth to these commies is like daylight to a vampire.
    mick shouldn't be allowed to post. I can only imagine there are no parental controls on his computer. During his tenure as national president of the Australian Labor Party, Michael Williamson was corruptly accepting envelopes stuffed with cash stolen from some of the nation's lowest-paid workers. Kathy Jackson said she was offered a seat in parliament by Williamson in exchange for her silence.
    We need the TURC to continue.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    10:06pm
    Ha, ha, ha. You forgot to post under longdistancerunner Frank. Commie again?
    What a total joke your tripe is. Can't defend the indefensible from this dishonest government so you keep on with rubbish. Not worth the bits or bytes
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    10:07pm
    In case you have not heard Frank your boss is gone. Still got a paid job?
    gazza48
    14th Sep 2015
    2:00pm
    I* don't think it would matter who is running the country as it is in such a mess either part would struggle to do a good job. I think Labor would do a better job than the present Government. We do need stable Governement so lets hope that whatever happens we at least get that.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:45pm
    We need a government which cares ABOUT THE COUNTRY, not those who contribute election funding.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    8:48pm
    Komrad mick is still talking garbage and using capital letters, back to Moscow Tovarich.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    10:07pm
    That you again Frank?

    14th Sep 2015
    2:07pm
    I would sooner see Scott Morrison...he is a strong person and carries out the duties of his portfolio/s well.

    Mr Shorten would find him a different kettle of fish to deal with than Abbott. Abbott should fall on his sword.
    Oldman Roo
    14th Sep 2015
    3:11pm
    I do not consider him suitable for leading the Liberal Party . Part Pensioners are to be gutted as a result of a broken election promise " No changes to Pensions " .
    A cruel and heartless decision to many elderly people who find their financial situation turned upside down , particularly at a time when the cash rate is at it,s lowest and guess what party is to blame for that ? Mr. Morrison is the man in charge of Centrelink.
    Young
    14th Sep 2015
    2:11pm
    Just watched Andre Rieu on SBS.Many of the crowd were in tears after a great performance of We are Australian.
    What a pity we can't be more like the audience.We don't seem to be proud Australians any more.We need to support our Government whichever persuasion.get behind them.Let them know you care.Think of policy that is good for the country and vote accordingly.Dont just whinge and think "what is in this for me?"
    Oldman Roo
    14th Sep 2015
    2:14pm
    The Liberal propaganda machine seems to be really well oiled judging by some of the comments made so far . How can you try to make excuses for a Government that has broken election promises ? Once you start to condone this you are making a farce of Government and democracy . Their claims of achievements come to nothing when you look at the much higher deficit than under Labor and I recall them giving hell to Labor due to their deficit and immediately devising a plan to blame and gut part Pensioners to cure all economic ills . And what a lot of short sighted thinking that will turn out to be .
    I always thought at least they stopped the Boat people but I am no longer sure of that as well , judging from some of the figures being paid to make it look good to the voters . The deficit tells a story that no clever window dressing to win another election can hide .
    And when nothing else works for them , they try scaremongering on Bill Shorten , which only confirms he has what it takes to be a good leader and that is naturally not to their liking .
    So definitely let us have , not only a new leader in the present Liberal Party but also replace some of the Ministers that have certainly failed Australia .
    Pablo
    14th Sep 2015
    2:22pm
    Really Old Man Roo? What happened to the "first female prime Minister of Australia" who said that there will not be a carbon tax under a government she leads! It is a politician's duty to lie, and they ALL fulfil that duty easily. Amoral lot!
    Anonymous
    14th Sep 2015
    2:23pm
    There are just as many Labor comments as are Liberal on this site and there are also those who are swinging voters.

    We have to allow everyone to voice their opinions...it is a democratic society. We do not have to agree with them but we should try to be respectful of others views.
    geomac
    14th Sep 2015
    2:26pm
    Well said Oldman Roo. Saved me typing a post.
    Oldman Roo
    14th Sep 2015
    3:19pm
    Pablo , At least she only broke one election promise and as a consequence did not get my vote again and that is how a leader should be judged and I may not have been the only one expressing their disapproval at the ballot box .
    geomac
    14th Sep 2015
    3:21pm
    Pablo
    Gillard also said in the same interview " but I am determined to put a price on carbon " but maybe you missed that. Do you really want to compare that to Abbotts black and white promise not to cut the ABC, health, education, pensions etc etc ?
    Oldman Roo
    14th Sep 2015
    3:25pm
    Radish [ F ] I am certainly not against everyone having the opportunity to express their opinion , I just find it difficult to accept the way some Liberal supporters can turn a blind eye to serious problems with this present Government .
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    3:47pm
    Oldman Roo don't know if you're aware but the no.1 serious problem is the budget with our balance of trade running a dead heat.
    Now pray tell which party is doing most to find a solution?
    The unions have turned against Bob Hawke for supporting the China FTA. The bloddy minded unions will destroy this country with your help.
    Captain
    14th Sep 2015
    4:10pm
    Pablo, I remember Mr Abbot saying that as a politician he tells lies regarding policies and election promises. As a swinging voter, I have an issue with anyone who admits they lie to their constituents and fellow Australians. It is not a party I would vote for. That said the other mob are no better. I imagine that a party that actually puts forward a reasonable plan for Australia's future and then tries to bring that plan to fruition may actually win power and remain there for some time.

    Do you really believe that it is a politicians duty to lie!!!! Glad you are not a friend of mine.
    Oldman Roo
    14th Sep 2015
    4:14pm
    Frank , There is only one party in a position to can find a solution , which is the governing one and they are not doing too good a job of it .
    I also think retired Politicians that live in comfort should not necessarily be getting involved in matters of more concern to people still trying to make a living .Allowing foreign workers in Australia will open the flood gate and should not be tolerated
    I have heard this Union bashing all my life and even under the recent Labor Governments there were no major problems . The Unions are a necessity for workers as they would otherwise still work 7 days for a pittance in pay . I have just as much good reason to say that bloody minded employers will destroy our living standards with your help .
    Lookfar
    14th Sep 2015
    4:26pm
    Oldman Roo, Pig Iron Bob Menzies and the less than Frank, some issues.
    OMR, yes as I recall, Rudd started to implement the PNG, Manus Island and Nauru solutions before the election, after the election Abbott did it, - whoever did it it was the same and what is disturbing to me and others is that it was and is inhumane. - Interesting that Tony Abbott is by all definitions a boat (or aeroplane, whats the diff?) person himself.
    Julia Gillard knew she had to do something about global warming, to put a price on that pollution, but when folk said it was a Tax, she had the decency to say that their argument was correct, and in fact the whole world is waking up to the situation that we can not allow short sighted greedy people to make money by destroying the environment and not paying for the consequences.
    Tony Abattoir is a supporter of those folk, no one in his position can be ignorant of the facts and figures of Global Warming, I would say you are either ignorant or evil in that situation, he is not ignorant and our Grandchildren will pay the price, - it may be a heavy price, as the first gentle harbingers we are experiencing already tell us.
    Economics, currently the Australian balance of payments is looking bad, - despite all that Joe Hockey tells us about paying your debts, the debts for a nation is the balance of payments, - not the Govt's debt, the nation's debt, - Govt spending in Australia increases economic activity, any spending by any Australian overseas increases our balance of payments debt, e.g. Bronwyn Bishop buying small time Defence stuff overseas, Tony Abbott destroying the car industry, and by the Submarine purchase from Japan the remnant of the Australian ship building industry, and as much as he could the Australian Solar/renewable energy industry, - these guys either don't get it or don't understand nor want to, Keynesian economics work within a country with it's own currency, e.g. America after the 30s Depression, and also in Australia, what goes around comes around, but spend it overseas, or stop supporting an industry that was saving importing from overseas, Australia, the Nation, an individual nation, is not paying it's way, - really it is simple, Spend Overseas we are not paying our way, spend locally the economy flourishes and the Govt get lots more taxes to repay what it spent, and local companies can export goods to reduce the balance of payments deficit.
    Malcolm Turnbull, one of the very few people in Parliament with a genuine experiential economic background, is the right person to put in that position of responsibility, he ticks all the boxes, - sure the old guard of very rich people will not agree, they want everything to stay the same, - their snouts in the trough, getting most, almost all, but they will destroy the world, and if they had the wisdom to know, but they don't, themselves with it .
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:51pm
    Oldman roo: good to see that somebody can see some of the posts for what they are. YourLifeChoices should really stop posts from trolls as they are cash for comment posts which do not more than pervert the truth.
    Lookfar: great post. Rarely said on this site as people are frightened by the trolls who patrol this website.

    14th Sep 2015
    2:41pm
    Certainly doesn't seem to be any improvement in how Abbott is performing and probably is time for a change ....

    But to be honest feel exactly the same about Shorten... and the way things currently stand the choices seem pretty limited and dismal...
    Gee Whiz
    14th Sep 2015
    3:33pm
    If you think Tony Abbott is a dud as PM wait until you get that sluggard Malcolm Turnbull leading the country.

    We all know that the Libs are all for their mates at the big end of town. The average tax payer is merely used as a milk cow to keep increasing their profits.

    Well Malcolm Turnbull is top of the heap with this crowd. He is their knight in shining armor to keep their cash registers ringing and is gung-ho for bigger tax concessions for the mining industry.

    Malcolm Turnbull couldn't care less about the average Australian. He has eyes for big business and big business only. Australia will rue the day if he becomes Prime Minister.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:54pm
    Come off the grass. Abbott is a neanderthal imbecile whilst Turnbull is a man who does not continually have both his feet in his mouth and who has double digit intelligence. Whilst Turnbull may not get up in tonight's ballot (he will!) it will Australia's loss if the current PM is allowed to continue.
    Misty
    14th Sep 2015
    3:51pm
    Well everyone it is ON, A LEADERSERSHIP CHALLENGE, looks like Julie Bishop led the charge to Tony Abbott's office.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:55pm
    Quite surprising. I thought Bishop was an Abbott disciple but maybe wrong.
    mIKER
    14th Sep 2015
    3:55pm
    The "liberal" supporters consistently want to blame the Senate for not passing the Abbott Government's policies, but never mention that those policies that have been passed were considered fair and appropriate by everyone in the Senate, whilst those that have been rejected were poorly framed and targeted the less well off in our community.
    Nor do they mention that the Abbott government is completely unwilling to address taxation reform because removing negative gearing, family trusts and outrageous superannuation perks, making big corporations pay tax would harm the very people who vote for them, again whilst the needy are expected to suffer reduced health care and education.
    Then there's the liberal line about jobs. If they even cared about jobs they wouldn't have closed down the car manufacturers and propose Free trade Agreements that actually give jobs to overseas workers in place of our own people.
    And then there’s their defiant attitude towards climate change, while the rest of the world is building renewable energy businesses we are promoting coal mines at the expense of fine arable land. Go figure?
    The list of issues with this Government is endless, Rudd and Gillard look like stars compared to this bunch of war-mongers and losers.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:57pm
    Good post. I think you'd find that some of the wealthy players contribute to Liberal Party election coffers. That is why it should be made ILLEGAL for pollies to accept money from vested interests. Either during office or after: penalty....jail term!
    mIKER
    14th Sep 2015
    4:03pm
    I forgot to mention that Mike Baird, a liberal Premier, appears to be doing a pretty good job in NSW; so there are competant people in the Party. Tony Abbott and the majority of his cacbinet aren't amongst them.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    6:41pm
    Good heavens where did you get that idea about MIke Baird. NSW will soon be the highest taxed state in order to fulfill his even overflowing bucket list.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    8:58pm
    Called Stamp Duty. Never buy a new house and you'll be right.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    10:55pm
    The sooner they abolish stamp duty and land tax the better. Atleast you have to buy a house to pay stamp duty but you get slugged land tax every year after you buy it.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:04am
    Not too bright are you Bonny. If you remove one tax then there is always another to replace it. How do you think governments finance hospitals, schools, police and infrastructure? Not rocket science.
    Young
    14th Sep 2015
    4:06pm
    With Tony Abbots leadership now doubtful,I wonder how long it will take for all of those singing the praises of Malcolm Turnbull to turn on him and start finding faults.Q and A was always all over him as a great man with great views but what will happen now.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    4:25pm
    This will be the third time the party has voted on these two. Abbott became the new leader when the margin was slim. The second time the margin was greater in favour of Abbott.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:01pm
    Browny: Turnbull would get better Press from me as long as he ended attacks on average citizens whilst trying to lower tax rates for the rich. We'll see.
    What will be interesting is whether troll Frank and his avatars will still attack Turnbull if he wins the spill tonight.
    Barbara Mathieson
    14th Sep 2015
    4:28pm
    Don't want Shorten though!
    bebby
    14th Sep 2015
    4:58pm
    Barbara, if you don't want Shorten then you had better hope that Abbott hangs on.
    Pablo
    14th Sep 2015
    5:04pm
    That's for sure, we don't dogooders like him, we need strong economic and welfare management which shorten can never do!
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    5:16pm
    Isn't Bill Shorty the back stabbing adulterous union bully boy or am I getting mixed up? What a leader for our country.
    bebby
    14th Sep 2015
    5:17pm
    Barbara, sorry I must correct my last statement. I meant to say that is you don't want Shorten you had better hope Turnbull will topple Abbott.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:02pm
    Neither do I Barbara. Neither do the paid trolls above.
    Kato
    14th Sep 2015
    4:39pm
    Shame shame shame or something like that.
    wally
    14th Sep 2015
    5:38pm
    It is "on" in the Lib Party room Tuesday. The Libs, like the general public, have the choice of selecting a leader on the basis of style or substance. Turnbull has a way with words that Abbott could only wish he had, but what sort of leadership would Turnbull provide? Would he make any changes in Liberal Party policies that have been created since the 2013 election? If so, how and to what effect? Would he fall into the same public relations traps Abbott has fallen into, or would a friendlier media pack on tv news reporting including the ABC be less critical of him and his every move or utterance?

    If Turnbull's challenge succeeds, will he be able to turn the public perception of his party, its policies and its performance around into more positive poll results? Time will tell.
    Brissiegirl
    14th Sep 2015
    6:07pm
    The liberals will lose members out of this Turnbull attempt at knifing (no better than Rudd, Gillard and Shorten and their underhand antics). Bishop disloyal (been looking that way for quite some time). Turnbull of Ute-Gate: another Rudd-type millionaire with a born to rule complex, pious, sanctimonious, condescending. Mark Scott's job is up for grabs. Turnbull would be at home in a paid job with his ABC, or perhaps his Greens. If Turnbull gets his heart's desire and becomes PM as he says he has the "style" for, gay marriage will float through in no time. After all, that's been a major policy item for him. He would only be keeping the seat warm for Scott Morrison anyway, who is too much of a gentleman to throw his hat in the ring.
    Adrianus
    14th Sep 2015
    6:30pm
    If Turnbull is so good, why haven't we seen his skills in action?
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:12pm
    What a lot of nonsense you talk wally. Abbott is a total disaster. Always has been and is destroying his government.
    Rather than blame the media blame the person. It is Abbott and his attacks on average Australians which have brought this government to this point. Nothing else.
    For your own information the ABC is not 'owned' by this government and wanting to sell it off because it asks the questions this government does not want to hear is no reason to do so. Right wing? The normal response when you do not trample those who are responsible for reporting THE TRUTH, not the highly massaged BS you get from privately owned media outlets...which are controlled by rich interests who also contribute to LNP election funding. It is what it is. Just like troll Frank is what he is.
    Bring it on!
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    9:21pm
    Brain surgeon mick and his troll word again, yawn.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    10:09pm
    No worries about a brain for you longdistance, or is it Frank. One never knows.

    14th Sep 2015
    6:01pm
    Politicians and diapers should be changed often and for the same reason.
    Young
    14th Sep 2015
    6:35pm
    I think the liberal party will gain members from this.Tony Abbott has not been a good communicator.Malcolm xcells at public speaking and I know people who have said they will now vote for the liberals if Malcolm wins.He is very progressive and goes over well.I don't think this as anything like what happened with shorten,Gillard,Rudd ,and the Unions.
    Brissiegirl
    14th Sep 2015
    6:49pm
    The first duty of government is to keep its people safe. Abbott stepped in after 50,000 Centrelink seekers/country shoppers forced their way into our country. From some of the pictures of muscled-up men arriving at Christmas Island when Gillard had the welcome mat out, I'd guess we would proportionately have imported as many dangerous newcomers as Europe now has. He might not be the best communicator, but Abbott's doing the job under very difficult circumstances. I know who I wouldn't trust: The bullying Shorten and his union thugs, and Malcolm Turnbull of back-stabbing Gillard, Rudd and Shorten fame and Julie Bishop. Abbott is a physically and mentally strong man supported by a modest, unassuming wife. Turnbull is exactly the opposite. "By God, Australia is better than this."
    Misty
    14th Sep 2015
    7:36pm
    Yes Australia is better then this Brissiegirl and that is why TA has to go, he is an embarrassment nearly every time he opens his mouth, what a terrible look that was him laughing that false laugh at Peter Dutton's lame joke.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:13pm
    All pigs are equal....but some pigs are more equal than others. You Browny?
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    9:18pm
    mick, that is a communist slogan or did you not realise that, Animal Farm?
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    10:10pm
    Oh to deal with the ignorant.

    14th Sep 2015
    6:40pm
    A filthy slimy business is politics....
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    9:47pm
    Billy Shorty is a lovely lovely man, apart from being a back stabber, a union bully boy and an adulterer.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:05am
    How do you feel about YOUR new leader Malcolm Turnbull?
    Kali-G
    14th Sep 2015
    7:12pm
    Beware of lawyers whom speak with forked tongues… Turnbull is far too Left wing……..he should back his leader, for better or worse as a matter of loyalty, instead of trying to undermine him, which he has!!! No respect for him.
    Jeff Kennett just called Turnbull the Kevin Rudd if the Liberal party! Nailed it!
    Turnbull is too close to Shorten!
    If Turnbull becomes the leader..the LNP has committed SUICIDE.
    The LNP is finished, at the next election….and guess what ??? an even worst man will step in…SHORTEN.
    Australia will never recover from another Rudd/Gillard/Shorten fiasco….
    Misty
    14th Sep 2015
    7:39pm
    Tony Abbott had his chances, how many times was he told to lift his game or face a challenge?, obviously it didn't sink in as he never changed and the result today was inevitable.
    geomac
    14th Sep 2015
    9:00pm
    Kali
    Australia is going to find it hard to recover from Abbotts two years. If Turnbull wins then Australia wins because the present govt is just treading water, going nowhere. If Turnbull loses then Abbott is fatally damaged because Turnbull has correctly described the PM as a sloganeer and an economic dunce.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:15pm
    And Australia will not recover from another year of Abbott/Hockey/Pyne/Bishop. Your scare piece avoids to issues. This PM has achieved nothing other than for his vested interests: the mining industry and the coal industry specifically. Bugger the country?
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    10:50pm
    Maybe it has been the plan all along to replace Abbott an year out from the election. Doesn't change anything LNP will win next election.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:07am
    Sounds a bit like the last government. Your dumb comment belies the fact that the LNP has been behind in the last 30 polls. The only way it will win the next election, even under a much better performing PM like Turnbull, is to ABANDON the current policies which attack ordinary Australians. Given the Howard left-over team I won't be holding my breath.
    Billyboy
    14th Sep 2015
    9:16pm
    How can anyone do the job? Everyone is a critic but they haven't stood up or made themselves a target.
    I, for one, am happy with Tony and his team - because it is a team game! The other side does not appeal to me at all because I see bogeymen in the background and their past performance puts me off.
    Both main players remind me of the passage in George Orwells' Animal Farm “The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
    The Greens I regard as the cane toads of politics - of no use and a nuisance.
    Turnbull is certainly a man of intelligence and ability but has not impressed me in his portfolio.
    I watch the back and forth comments which are more opinions than facts and it is hard to believe we seniors have sat through recent years events and seen such different views.
    For my money Abbott is a good man doing a good job under intense scrutiny.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:24pm
    Whilst I'll agree with you on the Greens (despicable crew) I have to state that Abbott and his crew have a disgraceful track record. Which other government in living memory INTENTIONALLY LIED about EVERYTHING during an election campaign. If I were a lawyer I'd consider what happened a breach of contract and Abbott should have resigned a long time ago as Australians DO NOT LIKE LIARS.
    And then there are the policies targeting poor and average Australians......
    Abbott is NOT a "good man" from what I have seen. More like a low life used car salesman who lacks integrity and cares only about himself and his backers, not those he represents. A shameful disgrace.
    roy
    14th Sep 2015
    9:45pm
    What's with all the capital letters mick and are you really proud of your leader the wonderful Billy Shorty? Time for you to go to bed and dream about Joe Stalin your idol.
    Misty
    15th Sep 2015
    12:25am
    Take off the blinkers, or is it rose coloured glasses you are wearing Billyboy?, even more then half the LNP don't believe that Tony and the Abbott team are doing a good job and as the polls have shown for the last 2 years neither do most Australians.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    8:08am
    Great post Billyboy!!
    Most decent, thinking people would share your view.
    Abbott had that one thing going for him. He is a decent, hard working, honest person with good intentions, and a love for Australia and it's people.
    But that's not enough apparently. People like to be sold on a bigger brighter future. Abbott's honesty prevents him from gilding the lilly. The unions recognised Abbott's weekness and the communist media went into overdrive to paint a different persona of Abbott. He had a go and that counts a lot in my book.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:09am
    "Abbott's honesty". Ha, ha, ha. Abbott is a proven liar. Just like you Frank.
    longdistancerunner: go see a shrink. Your comments are those of a loony straight out of hospital.
    MICK
    14th Sep 2015
    9:51pm
    Its done. Turnbull has defeated Abbott. Perhaps now we can get some real government and a leader who the nation can have faith in. We'll see.
    LiveItUp
    14th Sep 2015
    11:03pm
    Nothing has changed the good times are over and already we are seeing people starting to struggle with burden of debt not only in Australia but all around the world.
    Misty
    15th Sep 2015
    12:28am
    Don't be so pessimistic Bonny, look on the bright side, at least we are not living in a country like Syria and having to flee for our lives.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:10am
    That's right Bonny. Ordinary Australians are struggling whilst the rich are piling money into their bank accounts. So what is the story there?
    Young Simmo
    15th Sep 2015
    12:32am
    Well I see all the usual Turkeys are having the usual Gobbledegook. We definitely need the LIBS in if the pension is going to get a 25% increase in the next 3 months. We certainly wouldn't get it from Potato Head, as he would direct all the excess into his Union Mates new out door living areas as he has done previously. I don't know why said that, when it is so obvious.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:12am
    Are you serious? The Libs are trying to do away with the pension altogether. Is that not clear or are you suffering the onset of dementia?
    Midge
    15th Sep 2015
    12:54am
    Well we all know by now that Turnbull is new leader. I don't care one way or the other. My objection is they change leaders when they feel like it and the country ends up with a Prime Minister they didn't vote for. Personally I think most of them are bloody useless.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    7:23am
    Midge, I share your sentiments. I thought it was only the unions capable of sacking our PM. The unions were very afraid of Abbott because they knew he would not stop. ALP, Fairfax and the ABC went hard. The ALP doorstops always had the name Tony Abbott in almost every sentence. The unions have a couple of high profile scalps but have given up on the one they really needed Dyson Heydon!!
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:16am
    What a troll comment from this websites head troll Frank.
    Abbott was a joke. That is why this government has been trailing in the last 30 polls. Your Fuhrer wanted to be our first dictator. Wanted to crush ALL opposition by selling off the ABC to commercial interests. That way the news would be highly sanitised like the other media outlets and be pro LNP like the other outlets.
    Do you never have any other worthy topic other than 'unions' Frank. Your posts are starting to sound like the Putin troll factory in action in Oz. Well ain't that the truth.
    What was it you have been REPEATEDLY saying about the bad bad left wing Turnbull during th last year. Come on Frank lets have another rendition.
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    9:42am
    mick you have no idea. Abbott is a royalist. The republican dictatorship is more likely to come from Turnbull. The irony is you commies have a very poor record of picking leaders. But you've got what you wanted so let's see how long you remain happy.
    Misty
    15th Sep 2015
    1:07pm
    Midge and Frank no one votes for the PM, tell me where on the ballot paper is there a box to tick that says vote PM?, no, we vote for the member in our own electorate where we are enrolled and depending on the number of votes each party gets determines who gains the right to govern the country, it is the party itself, Liberal, Labor, National and Greens that select their own leader who becomes PM if the get the votes.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    8:11pm
    Frank: "you commies"? As I have maintained for some time you are posting under different names. longdistancerunner (you!) is using the same phrase.
    Your post is the normal crock. Abbott was knifed by his own because the man is a political dill. Do you not watch media interviews!!
    pate
    15th Sep 2015
    6:29am
    Thank God he has finally gone !!!
    Adrianus
    15th Sep 2015
    9:10am
    So the ABC and Fairfax is now God??? :(
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:17am
    Agree Pate. Sadly Frank may now be out of a job unless Turnbull keeps him on.

    15th Sep 2015
    8:17am
    Seriously doubt if anyone really cares much about who leads either of the 2 main political parties any more, and think the Liberal/Labor party dominance of Australia's political landscape has well and truly run its course and Australians have stopped listening to the 'big 2' and are looking elsewhere.....

    Thus many Australians are well and truly over the snouts-in-troughs,self-serving, ruthlessly ambitious, careerist Liberal/Labor party hacks owned by either big business or unions parroting the party line and clawing their way either to the front bench or the top job...

    Similarly given the irrelevancy and lack of credibility of the 2 main political parties in this country the Nick Xenophon team, the Greens, and good quality independents (perhaps of the Tony Windsor ilk) seem like a refreshing alterntive and hold significant appeal and think it's time for Turnbull and Albanese (do it for the party Bill) to move over and give someone else a go...
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:21am
    You are so on the money. Given that we have swung from one of politics to the other in the hope that government would improve for decades it comes as no surprise that we are all beginning to realise that this is a shell game and we are being had big time. I only hope that average voters are smart enough to wise up and take the medicine we have to take to fix the parties who have betrayed us for decades and want to continue on with this game.
    Not too sure about the Greens though. Some of the policies are very anti us.
    PlanB
    15th Sep 2015
    8:27am
    I have not read all the posts since yesterday PM but I am so pleased Abbott is gone, interesting times ahead
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    9:21am
    Best thing for the nation and also the Liberal Party.

    15th Sep 2015
    10:03am
    Let's hope for better now....better everything to do with our Parliament.....and Australia Sal
    PlanB
    15th Sep 2015
    11:31am
    I am out of here now Abbott is gone and will see what transpires
    Misty
    15th Sep 2015
    12:45pm
    Out of where PlanB?.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    8:06pm
    That's about it PlanB. All we can do is wait and see if Turnbull pursues the attacks on average Australians. I am holding concerns though as tonight there was a call from manufacturing to halve corporate taxes. We all know where that one will lead....but lets wait and see what happens.
    Biddy
    15th Sep 2015
    12:55pm
    Different stokes for different folks will Malcom Turnball do better then Tony Abbott both the same Liberal scum are they like Labour you betcha they are are they like a leapord?you bet your life they are did we vote for him? No we did not,will he change our position ? We are the laughing stock around the world because our ministers change position like we change our underwear ,He is a very rich banker and has aimed to be Prime Minister for some time,will he change the Gay marriage debate most likely not and if he does will this be the end of this subject Well?will he do anything about climate change No? Because if he does then it will be seen as standing on the side of the Labour Party and he cannot afford to do that what will he do about the refugee crisis most likely the same as Tony Abbott it has been 5 Prime Ministers in the same amount of years and that is 5 years,if they call this stability Government they are fooling themselves and the people of Australia,Tony Abbott has not resigned as Prime Minister not even stepped into the limelight and talk to the people whom put him in Government,Julie Bishop has gone up a couple of steps she is now deputy Prime Minister and declares she is nothing like Julie Gillard,no she is not because she is a bitchy person and stabbed the leader she was serving in the back so they are the same as Labour and they have in their hands the knife and they have used it,even to Tony Abbotts words we are not like the Labour Party we are a ubited party and I will still be Prime minister tomorrow,and yet he has come out saying he will not reck the party and will hand over the leadership to Malcom Turnball,but taking credit for the carbon tax Gone,the mining tax Gone,and so on & on how many more ministers will fall with him we wait with baited breath perhaps at the end of the day he would most likely say thank goodness I am out of that stupid crazy political merry go round,who takes the communication port folio over and can he clean up the mess that Malcom Turnball has left because the amount he ran over budget for the Nbn he can walk away from and quote I never done it and left it the great mess it is in,well Tony Abbott has resigned but never once mentioned Malcom Turnball bad feelings of course and as he said and I repeat the assassins knife has fell once again and whom carried it well you can all guess Mr Malcom Turnball and Julie Bishop and will the Liberal Member win Canning I hope and pray No??perhaps the ministers whom tumbled Tony Abbott will one day feel the assassins knife in their back and it is just another day in Australia's political round about.
    Misty
    15th Sep 2015
    1:10pm
    Biddy see my comment above about voting, we do not choose the PM the party they belong too does that, we just vote for our local member.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    8:08pm
    We'll see Misty. A bit of water to go under the bridge.
    MICK
    15th Sep 2015
    8:31pm
    Streuf. Looks like Frank/Oars/longdistancerunner are all gone. Thank you Tony for being beaten. Or is it thank you Malcolm for getting rid of this national embarrassment. Either way it is good if we get fair and honest discussion now.
    Midge
    17th Sep 2015
    1:01am
    I stand corrected Misty. I know we don't actually vote for the Prime Minister but you do vote for the party you want to win knowing that the leader of that party will become Prime Minister, so in essence you are voting for Prime Minister. Like I said I don't particularly care, but as voting is mandatory, I think they should take notice of our votes.
    HOLA
    17th Sep 2015
    6:52am
    I think the least the Party could do would be to offer Tony a Knighthood, arise Sir Tony, doesn't sound right, does it? I wouldn't trust that Julie Bishop, she is the backstabber, one minute she is all for Tony and the next minute she is supporting Turnbull, she's terrified she will lose her job.
    Adrianus
    17th Sep 2015
    8:39am
    Tony Abbott threw his whole self into his job, only to be sabotaged and knifed by those who enjoyed his loyalty, work mates and all Australians. The fact that he needs time off is more evidence of how much of himself he gave.


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