Leadership spill on the cards?

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A turbulent term as Prime Minster may end sooner rather than later for Tony Abbott, with persistently increasing rumblings that he may face a leadership spill, led by Malcolm Turnbull.

It was previously expected that a poor showing in this weekend’s Canning by-election would seal the Prime Minister’s fate, but it seems that a spill is inevitable regardless of the result. Each of the major news outlets is predicting that Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull will make his move soon, perhaps even as early as this week.

The ABC has spoken to eight ministers, six of whom believe that Mr Abbott will be challenged by the end of the year, regardless of the result in Canning. One even gave the ominous prediction, “And this time I think they will get him”.

Fairfax, whose Ipsos poll has pointed to a swing of 10 points to Labor in Canning, is running with the story that Malcolm Turnbull’s backers are trying to persuade him to make a move on the leadership this week. While the timing may seem strange, some ministers are worried that, if the result delivers the predicted swing, then the Prime Minister may call an early election, an outcome that is considered political suicide, but as one MP is quoted as saying, “he’s crazy enough to do it”.

Even News Limited is predicting a bumpy ride for the Prime Minister, with its Galaxy Poll also predicting a 10-point swing in Canning. It has chosen to run with the headline that Malcolm Turnbull refuses to rule out a leadership challenge. While one frontbencher explained this as Mr Turnbull simply refusing to give the matter of a leadership spill any oxygen and another saying it was simply “wild rumours”, a third frontbencher said, “But who knows with Malcolm, anything could happen”. 

Regardless of whether a challenge is forthcoming this week, the Prime Minister looks likely to continue to face scrutiny and dwindling support from within his own ranks. One cabinet minister has apparently already pointed out that his “six months’ is up. “He said: ‘Give me six months.’ Well, he has had six months and things have gone from bad to worse. He should just resign.”

While another lamented to the ABC that “everybody is quite jumpy and despondent”.

“That’s driven by the national polls and the fact that every poll on Canning has 10 per cent-type swings,” he said.

“And the fact that so much of the self-harm comes from the Prime Minister’s office, that so much of it is self-inflicted.”

Read more at ABC.net.au 

Read more at the Sydney Morning Herald 

Read more at News.com.au 


Opinion: Stop faffing around

If everyone is saying it, does that make it true? The general swell of opinion over the weekend that Mr Abbott’s days as Prime Minister are numbered may just be enough to force action within the Liberal Party. By anyone’s standards, Mr Abbott has been a remarkably resilient Prime Minister, so it’s difficult to see him bowing to pressure from within his own party to stand aside, but would that be a better option for all rather than face the second, in seven months, leadership spill?

If what is said is to be believed, then Malcolm Turnbull has simply been biding his time to make a move on the leadership of the Liberal Party and by default, the prime ministership. And one can only assume if Malcolm is eyeing up the top job, then there will be others only too happy to throw their hats in the ring once the challenge has been issued. And while this may make for interesting viewing for the Labor Party and other political ghouls, as a nation, it’s difficult to stand by and simply accept the constant political upheaval that results in a lack of action on much needed policy.

Regardless of what happens with the Liberal leadership over the next couple of months, we will soon be facing our next federal election and no matter what way you look at it, the last term could hardly be described as a success. The current government is the least effective for 44 years when it comes to passing meaningful legislation. And while it has managed to stop the boats and repeal the carbon tax, measures which have little effect on people’s everyday lives, it has made a considerable number of backflips on what it touted as its key policy items, such as the Medicare co-payment, Age Pension cuts, deregulation of higher education and, of course, Mr Abbott’s signature paid parental leave.

When all is said and done, it’s simply time to stop faffing around. Australia deserves a Prime Minster and a government that will work for it, and if Tony Abbott isn’t up to the job, it’s time to find the man, or woman, who is. And fast!

Should Tony Abbott stand aside as Prime Minister? Do you believe he is still the right man for the job? Would Malcolm Turnbull unite the party? Or do you think there is someone more suitable? 

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Written by Debbie McTaggart

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    Anybody who watched Tony Abbott being interviewed on The 7:30 Report would understand how woeful this PM is. When asked specific questions Abbott started ranting on with his slogans…”stopped the boats”, “repealed the Carbon Tax”, etc., etc. When Sales said that none of these had anything to do with the questions Abbott went for another trot.
    As I have said on numerous occasions this man it an embarrassment. He should have gone long ago. It is a pity his crook Party have taken so long to understand that this has to happen and the interesting outcome will be who comes in. I am willing to bet we see either Bishop (ahhhhh) or Morrison (yukkkk). Whilst Turnbull should be the obvious choice the big business owners of the Party do not like the fact that Turnbull has a bit of moral fibre so it is unlikely he will get the nod. But lets wait for the fat lady to sing maybe. We live in interesting days.

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      mick, apart from your beloved carbon tax being repealed what has the Abbott government done wrong?

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      More to the point Frank – what have they done right – or even done. Sure, they’ve hit the little people in the hip pocket and made it even harder for them to live, they’ve made promises and never carried through on them and they’re still blaming Labor for all of the countries woes long after getting into power. How long can they play that tune. If they were as good as they say they are they wouldn’t be going through this period of instability within their own party and the country would be showing more confidence regarding investment, jobs, spending etc than we are. No-one is spending money because they don’t know what the future holds, therefore if there is no consumer confidence and no employer confidence the economy stagnates. It is definitely time for a change. I have always been a Labor voter but I would be happy to see Turnbull take over because at least he has a brain, not like the current so called leader and his side-kick Hockey.

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      frank – your so right – .despite Abbotts gaffs his government has been vastly superior to Rudd/Gillard – I would have liked more done on budget and deficit but its moving in the right direction. As to the article above Debbie give me a break – Abbott has the worst Senate make-up since federation – its almost impossible to get legislation through.
      The facts are mining and carbon taxes are gone – boats stopped (all critics said it could not be done) – the budget and deficit shows signs of improving – jobs are being created at a better rate than under Rudd/Gillard and finally Shorten will destroy this great country with his ill conceived policies.
      The canberra press gsllery and left wing journalists want an unstable Abbott government because they fear that in an election campaign Aboott will be able to convince enough Australians to trust him on border security and economy over Shorten.
      Turnbull is a dud who cannot command the support of ordinary conservatives

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      bob menzies, I agree. Shorten almost destroyed us when in government. His position on border security remains unclear. Under Labor 50,000 were encouraged to make, and survived, the perilous leaky boat journey. Under Labor a further 150,000 illegals entered while they allowed Immigration Department corruption and people smugglers to operate under our noses. Under Labor this will continue!! When Gillard realised Rudd would not step aside, she phoned Bill Shorten, the Union top dog. Shorten has always been the one groomed to take over leadership of the ALP. He has always been the union puppet.

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      What has Abbott done wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????????

      Being leader is one, he is a complete IDIOT

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      What else do you expect from Frank the troll Inc. What has the Abbott government done wrong? What a joke. All you are ever capable of is turning any argument around to Shorten and unions. The reality is your boss is a liar of the worst kind who has added a heap of debt whilst crying “fix the budget” and repealed a Carbon Tax which was working perfectly for his owners in the coal industry…for which we are ALL paying an extra $8 billion a year now with heaps of jobs having gone in the coal industry and of course the renewables sector which this vandal has decimated has cannibalised.
      You have a hide posting this sort of stuff Frank. As I said before you are not a real Australian because you do not represent the interests of the nation and the people who reside here. And as for Bob Menzies above, tell me he is not on the payroll too.

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      Mick the devout communist is in full voice, how dumb can you get. It’s the 21st century Mick, communism is dead and buried.

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      Brain dead mick is on a roll, calling everybody a troll, his favourite word. Grow up mick please.

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      What has this Government done wrong? Pity they are not allowed to do the things they really want to do.

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      mick – sorry not on any payroll just an ordinary retiree – mick I am conservtive because I hate communism and socialism while noble hasn’t worked – but even more importantly I fundamentally believe in the Menzies doctrines of small government – lower taxes and encouraging individual development – also in 1966 I was a young cadet officer on a merchantr ship in refit in sydney and remember well the lazy unions – one time I was asked by Captain to get a light globe but it was not simple – had to get a union storeman to give me but then he had to give it to a pinter and docker who then had to give to an electrician – a simple 1/2 hour job took hours – then I watched dockyard people sitting in the sun for hours on end doing nothing – they were all labor voters and I made a commitment to never vote for anyone who supports such laziness. Back then labor also supported communism (that now belongs to greens). So as I was working in 66 you can guess how old I am – further my dad served in WW2 and hated Nazis and Communists and Mum she is still going now in her 90s and has always voted for the country party (now nationals).
      The coalition is by no means perfect but they are far better than alternative – the only exception was Hawke who was very good.

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      Interesting comments above FROM THE LIBERAL PARTY. So now we have communism? A sad day when the once great Liberal Party is reduced to employing trolls to tell the above sort of sick stories. All rubbish. Genuine posters know that.

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      bob menzies, you are a gentleman and are making too much good sense for mick to understand. That is his default modus operandi. A little like a dog barking.

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      There’s mick using his favourite troll word again, he is so boring for a commie, back to Moscow mickski.

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      Commie,commie, commie. If you were not so funny you’d be sad.
      Frank: the only “dog barking” is you and your continual ‘Labor’ and ‘union’ comments. In case you have not heard your master is gone. So who will be walking you now?

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    To my way of thinking YLC readers should be leading the way to get rid of this regressive government and see it replaced by a more progressive administration that cares for people. Let’s show young people the way out of the wilderness Australia has entered with Abbott as the aggressor devoid of leadership qualities.

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      They could go up a rung and get a Used Car Salesman ! 🙂

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      Batara please try to pay attention. We had a caring nurturing government in last time and we found they were caring , but only for themselves. Their leader abuses little nice pie shop ladies for running out of pies and doesn’t care enough to know if the poor little kid washed up on the Turkey beach was a little boy. If he sells out low paid workers what chance do the rest of us have?

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      Frank – spot on again and I am so proud that my sisters grand daughter who turned 18 last month has just gone and joined the liberal party – I love the way the SCUM (socialists,communists, unionists, marxists) now use the word progressive to describe themselves – pathetic – to those who love them so much ever wondered why since 1901 ever 7 out of 10 years Australia has been governed by conservatives and long may it remain so

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      bob menzies, yours is one of the best postings for ages and so true, read it mick.

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      and where are you going to get such a Governement?

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      And here you have 4 trolls. Probably all the same poster as the nonsense never changes.
      The answer to your perverse question longdistancerunner is that the Liberal Party has governed more than Labor because THE BIG MONEY AND THEIR MEDIA OUTLETS HAVE RUN CAMPAIGNS WHICH ARE LESS THAN HONEST OR FAIR. I have no time for your propaganda or that of your team above. You are not real Australians of any merit and real Australians would find your behaviour disgusting.
      Listen to the media tonight. It appears that your employer is gone. Anybody who saw your boss on The 7:30 Report would understand why Abbott is going. Bring it on.

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      mick you are so boring with over use of the troll accusation, just grow up and move to Moscow Komrad.

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      It is what it is just like you are what you are.

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      Oh dear I didn’t know I had an employer. Not much of one though as he doesn’t pay me. OK I get it you are talking about the Government as the employer of welfare for those who think they deserve it. Maybe I just did too many hard yards to have to deal with Centrelink wanting to know where and how many logs I have stuffed with cash. If that’s what being a troll is then I’m loving it.

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      Have read a lot of your comments bonny. Most appear to be advertisements.
      I have no issue with ANYONE who makes it on their own. I have. Worked hard. Suffered a lot. Done without. I have no issues if you have dough derived from hard work.
      I do have issues when you post some of the propaganda from the current government rather than having a balanced argument: something that some of the posters on this website never have.

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      I guess it’s because I don’t have a welfare mentality that my comments may sound like propaganda to you but I’m no LIberal or Labor for that matter. If anything I suppose I’m aligned closer to the Greens than any other party. Personally I prefer to work smarter rather than harder with most of my time spent doing what I want not what I am required to do. I employ others to do most of that.

      I do however know that things are changing and we need to rethink consumerism and all reassess our individual footprints as things are not sustainable. We just can’t keep digging stuff up, using it and throwing it away when we tire of it.

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      Bonny your comment above echoes that ad on TV, the one about trading, where it says something like, I work harder for a few years so I can retire and do the things that no others can.

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      Bonny: the Greens??? You poor thing. Desperation methinks.

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    With the lefties proven ability to pick hopeless leaders, think Whitlam, Latham, Rudd, Gillard etc., it is little wonder they are drawn to Turnbull. Any thinking person can see he is a disgusting snake in the grass, & could never vote for him.

    He will never be elected PM, too many liberal voters would refuse to vote for the slimy bugger for that to happen.

    I wonder if that is why the left, including the dumb media, all promote Turnbull. They probably see his promotion to liberal leadership as their best chance of winning an election.

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      The biggest problem is that the Labor party has so little talent and such a poor history, it is difficult to support them. the greens are wacky with silly policies. The Liberals are full of dills, as has become very apparent. Who’s left over?

      Unfortunately I see Turnbull as the only real option – I haven’t voted Liberal for a while – because he is to the left of most most Libs. He is to the left of some in Labor!

      We need a centre party that is caring, policy driven, and not controlled by either business or unions.

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      The biggest problem is that the Labor party has so little talent and such a poor history, it is difficult to support them. the greens are wacky with silly policies. The Liberals are full of dills, as has become very apparent. Who’s left over?

      Unfortunately I see Turnbull as the only real option – I haven’t voted Liberal for a while – because he is to the left of most most Libs. He is to the left of some in Labor!

      We need a centre party that is caring, policy driven, and not controlled by either business or unions.

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      Hasbeen – I agree and Janus well said – like you I think we need a centre party and you know what I think Mick might agree – Mick says we should vote for independents which is fair enough but I wonder how it would work in practice whereas a centre party might work

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      Absolutely Correct! Vote for Turnbull is SUICIDE!. He is SO left wing…

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      Hi bob Menzies. I think if you look at the cross benches in the senate you will see what we would get if we voted for independents. I don’t believe it is possible for the average punter to find the time to get a real idea of most of the independents who stand. In fact most of us don’t really know enough about even the party leaders when we go to vote.

      Many who have voted independent have quite quickly regretted it.

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      Janus: Agreed. Both sides have a lot of dead wood in their ranks. The real problem though is that many are puppets who have no say and vote for whatever the Party line is no matter what the subject. In regard to Independents there are some good candidates as well as some very ordinary ones. The difference between Independents is that Independents do not have to sell their souls and will do what they think is right. Get any MPs from either Liberal and Labor to vote according to their conscience and/or the good of the nation and see what happens to them. Not pretty.

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      mick, are you really a brain surgeon?

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      You don’t have to worry longdistance as you appear not to have one….commie, commie, commie.

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    It was a lot easier for the leftist media to influence the government decision making process when the Unions and Greens were in government. Rudd made deal with the Unions/Greens prior to his win in 2007 but did not keep his word so he became fodder for the left media. Hard to win anything when both left and right media views are against you.
    I think many people are beginning to see the leftist media for what it is.
    The Abbott government is hated so much by the left media because it has been embarrassed for doing what they said was impossible.
    A Conservative government would find it very difficult to sack a first term sitting Prime Minister, unlike the Unions/Greens Party.

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      Both party’s should have a Big Clean Up now and Sack the Pair Of Them !! 🙂

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      Frank, what “leftist media” are on about? The media dumped on the Labor party so hard, it rang like an anvil. You aren’t actually thinking that the Murdoch press is anything to the left of Ghengis Khan are you? Abbott has has so much support from the press, but now that they see he is doomed, they are making excuses. ABC has a “left” reputation, and look how he has knocked them about.

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      Janus, I have seen Murdoch media as a swinger over the years.
      And when Murdoch supported the left did we hear the same level of criticism?

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      The only time Murdoch supported the left was when Mahon was P.M. and until now he was always considered to be the worst P.M. Australia had ever had. At least now Billy can sleep in peace as Tony has taken that mantle from him.

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      Lefties, communists, unions, Labor. Familiar stories from troll Frank, hard at work for the Party. Never an honest analysis from the trolls. Only ever propaganda!
      Interesting evening and looks like Abbott is gone. Not overdue. So what will the trolls then say?

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      And still mick the commie uses the troll word, shakes head.

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      Comme, commi, commie…oi, oi, oi.

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    Yes when you think Abbott has done the MOST stupid thing he or anyone could do he proves us all wrong and comes out with more doozies, I have NO idea how this idiot ever became leader of anything!

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      He’s a total idiot with a very bad case of foot-in-mouth, again and again; an embarrassment in Australia and on the world stage. The coalition should not think twice before getting rid of this first time PM.

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      Of course you two who are calling Mr Abbott an idiot both had Rhodes scholarships and graduated with honours in economics. If not, I think it is clear who are the idiots.

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      Well said sceptic, these communist idiots don’t have a clue.

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      People don’t accept communism if they are intelligent.

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      People don’t listen to Frank unless they are brain dead.
      Tony Abbott is a total idiot. Anybody who watched Abbott being interviewed in The 7:30 Report last week would have no uncertainty about that. A total embarrassment to every Australian and well gone.

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      mick Tony Abbott became Prime Minister. How far did your political career get? I doubt if you got past first base.

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      Hey Frank, leave Komrad mick alone he is an eminent brain surgeon, did you not know?

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      I never sold my soul to the devil Frank.

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      longdistancerunner, mick is an ex independent labor politician like Craig Thompson was. Who now spends his time working for Getup/unions as a troll. Ever notice how he works this blog? Always congratulating posters who have a negative government view. Normal people do not do that. His M O is straight out of the union handbook. If anyone shows signs of having individual thought then they need to be ridiculed, character assassinated and then threatened in that order.
      mick has progressed to stage 3 with me by threatening to pay me a visit.
      This is the union way so it would not surprise me to learn mick is being paid directly from the unions.

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      Coming from a government stoolie? The reason I have offered to visit you Frank is that this will establish your bona fides. We wouldn’t want that would we.

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      My bona fides are well and truly established mick. Thanks just the same. mick how about you establish your own bona fides??!!
      In true commie fashion, Gillard built up a 1600 strong media marketing team (troll team). I believe many of these are still active and you could be a relic mick. It’s time to come clean.

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      I hear many say about Abbott being a Rhodes however Abbott mainly got in because of sport –he sure never proved he had and ability to be PM and has made some VERY stupid statements — he never even knew how many points there were on the stars on the Aussie flag ! He said there were 6 points –and there were a heap of them behind him at the time !

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      Frank: the only people I can recall using the word “commie” in the past 20 years is you, londistancerunner and oars. There goes my assertion that all are YOU.
      I imagine now that ABbott is gone you are out of a job? Is that right….or is Turnbull going to keep you on? Clearly you did not do the job well enough or your boss would still be in a job.

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    This being a page for retirees, which of the parties has said ANYTHING about the plight of us older non-workers? After Abbott cut the floor out from the pension, many are struggling, and will use up their super in a few years. Neither of the major parties seem to care! Maybe they forget that we are a major voting block.

    Now the Libs are talking about raising the GST to 15%, but compensating pensioners. What if you are self-funded? It blows away your future totally. but is Labor any better? i think not!!

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      Both parties are pretty useless at this time

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      Janus, what we have are two parties that do not give much cause for hope. We have the incompetent and malevolent COALition led by Abbott, or the incompetent bumbling but well meaning Labor Party under Shorten. I would go for the one that is not malevolent. One thing for sure – Abbott’s COALition offers nothing to us old buggers.

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      Janus it is a pity about the attack on self funded retirees as I believe the government has just managed to destroy any belief in a superannuation industry.

      Even the economic writers are prefacing comments with” under existing legislation” these days as the sovereign risk is so huge.
      The Financial Review is giving info on how to close down self managed funds as well.

      The one saving grace is that if you receive no government pension at all then taking payment from your estate won’t be possible. That will be the next little Fair and Sustainable Act I suspect. Charging your pension against the house if you own one.

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      We all think we are being attacked and singled out by this government. Truth is we are all right. Everyone is being asked to do some heavy lifting.

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      Frank, my wife and I have done the “heavy lifting” for more than 50 years each. Now we are retired, not getting a pension or concessions. Pray tell, for how much longer do we have to do the heavy lifting?

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      As long as it takes but no longer than necessary I hope 🙂
      Perhaps youre right Captain. Perhaps we should think only of ourselves and not others who may be worse off.

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      OK I’ll be the breaker of bad news the good days are now behind us all we are going into a era where our standard of living is going to change and we better get used to it.

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      We live in dangerous times Rae. When governments cannot find more money to spend they borrow and they cannibalize their own citizens. Expect things to get worse no matter which side of politics is in government. Average Australians are fair game because they, unlike the rich, cannot set up combinations of companies, trusts tax shelters and other instruments so that they are beyond the reach of their predator governments.

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      So mick, are you saying that all the champagne socialists in Oz don’t bend the rules, open your eyes for goodness sake. How much is Krudd worth and many others of his ilk?

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      Is this a post from the brain dead longdistance?

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    Why don’t you tell the whole story!!! It has been ineffective because of the coalition of all non-Liberal/CP members in the Senate. They have continually blocked anything that the Abbott government has tried to achieve. And the backflips are solely because of the same negative Senate.
    Look at the mess left by the last Labour/Green Coalition government and ask yourselves do you want them back in power? I certainly don’t until they get rid of their welfairy, leftie attitudes that are dragging our country down. Do you want another 50,000 or more illegal economic migrants each year deciding they are going to come to our country whether we want it or not? Do you want the leftie “spend like a drunken sailor” attitude that is fast sinking our country? I certainly don’t!

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      Everyone forgets that if the “Lefties” had NOT spent we would have been in the $**t long b4 this as they got us through the GFC and at least we never had the likes of idiot Abbott to be a real embarrassment and now he is willing to go to war just like Howard

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      Plan B, I would prefer to be fighting them over there than here at home. We already have enough terrorists living here without bringing more of them here!

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      At least the 80 or so terrorists who came back from Syria showed some self preservation. But how long will they remain in that state of mind?

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      Since WW2 there has only ever been 2 governments who controlled both Houses of Parliament. All the other governments had hostile Senates but got on with the business of running the country, with a fair degree of success.
      The fact is that Tony in incapable of working with anyone who has a different point of view as he wants to kick their head.

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      Pablo, you sound like the person that said this

      “……..voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”

      In case you did not know it was Hermann Goering during the Nuremburg Trials!!

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      Huskie, you are a typical leftie – when you can’t participate usefully you resort to name calling and denigration. Pathetic!

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      If only the Chinese had bought our commodities then there may have been no need to waste, er, spend all that money on saving us Plan B.

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      Pablo: new poster, same propaganda.
      The Independent senators ARE NOT OWNED as are MPs in the current Liberal government. So they vote according to the legislation and its merits. If they voted against Tony Abbott’s Bills (a few of them!) then it is because of what these Bills contains: mostly attacks on poor and average Australians!! We need more of them: MPs who represent the country, NOT RICH VESTED INTERESTS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO LNP ELECTION FUNDING COFFERS.
      You are correct PlanB. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I think that the trolls above would have been the first to attack Labor had it allowed their family members to be thrown out of work. Not the low life cash for comment responses attack the previous governments for doing exactly that.

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      And still mick the brain surgeon is using the troll word, shakes head, what a bore you are Komrad.

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      Make a comment worthy of the word and stop posting government adds and the responses will represent that.

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    I am surprised the Abbott regime has lasted this long.

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    Frank and Hasbeen are both absolutely correct – the permanently outraged, moaning lefties are at it again.

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      Yep. Permanently outraged – by greedy right wingers and a useless government. Leftie – yes and proud of it – we care about more than our own selfish wants. Moaning – you can call it that but I prefer to call it engagement in democracy. As far as I’m concerned lefties are saving us from a neo-fascist nightmare – government by the few for their mates. In case you hadn’t noticed – car industry gone, more people unemployed, our jobs increasingly sold off to whoever will take low enough pay, our TAFE system destroyed by private enterprise so no trades, we just import people with the silks instead of giving our kids jobs. As Abbott said – he’d sell his arse for power. Him and the LNP are only interested in what they can get out of their term in office. People who care loathe them. I hope your wallet and you are happy.

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      Renny dead right there

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      Yes NaB they sound convincing because they appear not in control of their emotions, but it is all false. I recall the tears in parliament when their policies were causing the drowning deaths. I recall how they sobbingly promised not to leave parliament that day until the issues were resolved. Labor and Greens had an opportunity to reinstate the Howard Solution that Rudd had dismantled but didn’t.
      We need a government which can get the job done and without the soap opera acting.

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      Sorry for your spelling mistakes Renny, shouldn’t that be “left whingers”?

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      Lefties, commis, etc. Give it a break trolls. Readers can see through this.

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      mick, give it a break, the troll word again, you are like a little parrot.

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      When you stop posting from the Liberal Party advertising manual I’ll give you a break. Propaganda is what it is. You are what you are.

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