More Andrews than women at the top of ASX 200 companies

Women on the rise but there's a long way to go.

More Andrews than women at the top of ASX 200 companies

Several years back, Conrad Liveris found there were more Peters, Johns and Davids in chief executive and chair positions of ASX 200 companies than women. He got people’s attention.

On the eve of World Women’s Day, Mr Liveris released his latest annual Gender Equality at Work report, examining gender differences at the top and pay gaps. He has found there are now more Andrews leading ASX 200 organisations as CEOs than there are women.

On a serious note, he says there has been progress, with female representation on ASX 200 boards at its highest ever rate of 26.6 per cent and the number of companies with female chief financial officers now at 20, compared with eight CFOs two years ago.

However, he found that women still run the bulk of support functions, holding 70 per cent of HR executive roles and 46 per cent of general counsel positions – while men hold 90 per cent of business unit roles.

With help from the Australian Human Rights Commission and the Australian Bureau of Statistics, we present some more facts about women:

  • 50.2 per cent of the Australian population are females
  • 38.1 is the median age of females at June 2016, compared with 36.4 for men

  • 46 per cent of all employees in Australia are women
  • $283 is the weekly pay gap between female and male employees (full-time adult ordinary time earnings)
  • 18 per cent is the national gender pay gap. It has been stuck between 15 and 18 per cent for the past two decades
  • 66 days is the average that Australian woman have to work each year to earn the same pay as the average man
  • $112,600 was the average retirement payout for women in 2009-10, compared with $198,000 for men
  • 92 per cent of primary carers for children with disabilities were women; 70 per cent of primary carers for parents were women, and 52 per cent of primary carers for partners were women
  • 24th is where we sit on a global index measuring gender equality in 2013 – down from 15th in 2006
  • 217 years for the world to achieve gender equality, according to the World Economic Forum
  • 25 per cent of women were sexually harassed in the workplace between 2007 and 2012.

 

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    8th Mar 2018
    9:57am
    More b/s about gender pay gap
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    1:33pm
    Agreed, the usual rubbish, you would have to be simple minded to take this rubbish seriously.
    Hasbeen
    8th Mar 2018
    4:32pm
    Anyone with their eyes open must have noticed at how totally incompetent the Queensland government has become since the girls club took over. Almost as bad as all those other Labor girls that got premiers jobs way beyond their ability.

    The same goes for Canberra, since Turnbull filled the offices with girls.
    Anonymous
    9th Mar 2018
    3:12am
    Happened long before Turnbull, Hasbeen. Started way back in the early 1980's and the PS has become a job placement service for the girls... since they can't do the hard jobs and require the soft seat work so as to 'equalise' them - and dis-equalise others.
    Boomah52
    8th Mar 2018
    11:01am
    Why is this a problem? Everywhere I've ever worked everyone in same pay scales for same work. When volunteering at a hospital one staff room there were usually 20 women and me. So what?
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    12:33pm
    Another feminist beat-up we've heard a million times before...
    Only 54
    8th Mar 2018
    11:26am
    If women want to narrow the gender pay gap they need to:

    1. work longer hours
    2. make different career choices
    3. accept a work/life balance skewed more towards work and career and less towards family.

    Women are perfectly free to make these choices, but in many cases prefer and choose not to because the last million years of evolution and simple biology has given them a slightly different value set to men. So if you're a woman and it's so important to you, by all means go for it because the choice is yours, but just stop complaining about it!
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    12:34pm
    Bravo!
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    1:35pm
    I Agree
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    1:53pm
    If only women could think so logically
    JAID
    8th Mar 2018
    2:17pm
    Agree Only 54. The statistics even help tell that story. If people were not more focussed on buzz words "gender equality" and their perception of what that means than the real differences that exist we would not have to put up with the same boring codswallop be brought out every other day.

    Equality is the achievement of like for like. Different situations demand valid interpretation to ascertain like for like. I know no-one who and hope no-one here believes that where wages are fixed people should not be paid the same for the same output. Where bargaining is involved you ride on your laurels or how well you can promote whatever you do have.

    It doesn't matter what gender, colour or creed you are, if you achieve the same you deserve the same. if wages are fixed there should be no contest. If you have to promote the value then you had better start believing in the quality of your own services.

    Much of the excitement around gender equality is generated by pulling a wide range of lifestyle and private or family choice matters into the mix. These have no place when considering payment for services. This is simply because an employer private or State can not be expected to pay more for the same output simply because of the employees lifestyle choices.

    That is not to say that socially we could not adjust other load sharing models to advantage. My opinion is that while the change in the last half century is fairly described as rapid with respect to the rate in the first couple hundred thousand years of human development it could be faster and fairer.

    Demands not based on like for like are everywhere in plain sight. This is a ploy, a mechanism for creating unfair advantage. Nurses point to teachers claiming the need for better awards. Teachers point to university professors and others. Few cossetted by the massive proportion of their industry underwritten by funds squandering government point to the rewards of in private industry for similar qualification.

    I know a couple who compare their reward unfavourably. Primary school teachers (ie 3 or 4 years modest university training) a hand full of years out. With a few special allowances they make around a quarter of a million a year between them. The two together work just on the same amount of hours per year as a single employed surveyor, engineer or architect who each have studied longer, earn a lot less than half on average and if truth be known probably spend more time with a different type of responsibility but a graver financial one. These also have a mere fraction of the benefits and rosy superannuation.

    Comparing like with like is exceedingly difficult in most situations. Certainly, if you are both selling chops and one sells more there is an obvious equation which can be drawn. If one has agreed family circumstances which affect time or output then it cannot be allowed to affect that equation, the number of chops will remain the primary factor or the business will subside. If one sells tofu, another transports it or insures it, grows or trains it there are a whole other set of factors involved.

    We need to keep a weather eye out for justifications not based on like for like interpretation. This is an integral part of assuring equality of value and there can be no objection to that equality. Nor with that clarity of appreciation need there be any either hard done by or feeling that way.

    It is unacceptable that anybody is discriminated against on the basis of gender, race, creed or whatever. Discrimination proven unequivocally can be acted upon. Statistics are inherently superficial, people have individual strengths, systems differing capacities; to play these off as rationale is deceit.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    3:50pm
    Discrimination is rife in our society, and interestingly it's those who object to it who are the most discriminatory. We hear squeals about racial discrimination, but the demands are for superior benefits and favours for Indigenous and others of non-European descent. We hear squeals for equality for LGBTs, but they really want superior rights. And feminists are no different. They want a better deal for women, and if that means being unfair to men, so be it.

    There can never be equality, but we'd do much better if we stopped the reverse discrimination, because it's not solving anything. It's just changing the balances.
    MjP
    8th Mar 2018
    11:36am
    The first three comments on this article are typical men trying to justify the imbalance that exists. My late wife worked a lot harder than many of the men she worked with. She was he person who was chosen to go to different locations to sort out problems that existed there. At one point she was asked to train a man who had no experience working in her industry and found out as a new recruit he was being paid more tha she was. How is this fair.
    Only 54
    8th Mar 2018
    12:22pm
    Hi MjP. Your late wife's situation was of course not fair and there is no doubt that it happens, although I would hope the incidence is decreasing. Studies also indicate that women are much less likely than men to stand up for themselves and negotiate when it comes to pay and this is something more women and many men need to consider and address (the squeaky wheel). Although that does not in any way rebut my comments above, let's add:

    4. be more proactive regarding pay offers and reviews
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    1:56pm
    Rubbish.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    2:34pm
    Not only that - but if we are talking about contracted salary agreed positions, there is no argument.

    If I worked in a movie tomorrow with Tom Cruise and Julia Roberts I would not be paid the same even if I spoke the same amount of lines and spent the same amount of time onscreen.... life's like that.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    11:51pm
    It's a complete rubbish article with cooked-up statistics about unequal pay - never seen it anywhere FOR THE SAME JOB.

    In fact, the Affirmative Action and such discriminatory practices are putting a lot of less competent women in place of men in higher positions - we see a lot of such poor leaders here and overseas.
    Merit must be the only criteria. In fact, you don't see any non-Anglo Saxon males in higher positions or in parliament - and I can't see any lobby fighting for them, whereas you see heaps of such cases in USA e.g. CEOs of Microsoft, Google, Pepsi (Indian woman), etc, etc.

    Yes, Australia has a way to go, but not in the direction pushed by this article!
    Anonymous
    9th Mar 2018
    12:27am
    The 'way to go' is in recognising merit, George - not in artificially defining it.

    One of my most famous personal quotes is that I come from a background where two Commando officers would have no problem with instantly knowing I was the man for a one-man night job...

    There's more to 'merit' than having the 'boxes' ticked...... you need to know people, and most management in my experience have no idea at all.

    Whenever I meet someone and they say they 'ticked all the boxes' to get their job - I know they are a fake.
    Anonymous
    9th Mar 2018
    12:37pm
    Yes, TREBOR, that's exactly right, the lack of recognition of merit is the key issue. You hit the nail on the head - these days they cannot even judge people's merit without ticking artificial, meaningless boxes. I have seen many fools hired as a result. Thus we also frequently see company network / system shutdowns (e.g. Banks, Syd Airport) or producing incorrect reporting (Centrelink, CBA), etc.
    Anonymous
    9th Mar 2018
    7:50pm
    Oh, I should have added - the tick-box approach is used by fools to either select fools, but also sometimes to reject good candidates through useless criteria.....and select a mate from an ex-company!
    In Australia, the latter approach also allows them to discriminate in favour of fellow Anglo Saxons - have seen this primarily used by pommies (not so much by regular Aussies) who have themselves been selected by this approach here, i.e. discrimination is alive and well here as I noted earlier.
    Janus
    8th Mar 2018
    12:12pm
    Having employed lots of people in my previous life, I am convinced that there are differences between the sexes. My conclusion is that people should be all considered equal in value, but the differences should be celebrated not criticised.

    If I want to employ 10 bricklayers, I am not going to expect that the mix will be 50-50. I need muscle strength, and men will outclass women most times. If I want an administrator, I expect women to be better in most cases. After 30 years of keeping statistics, sorry, but men were by far the better investment; they stayed longer, they worked harder, they produced more, and were more versatile and stable overall. In some areas men were crap.

    It just works out that way - for reasons that I don't care about, it just IS. Got to be pragmatic about it, and that's what my experience shows! Things might be changing, but it is very slow.

    I get annoyed with limitations, and bias, in personnel selection. Quotas? No way. Merit - definitely. Pick the person best suited physically and temperamentally, most likely to stay with you, and qualified for the position. Otherwise - a poor investment.

    Happy Women's Day!!
    Oh, by the way, when is Men's Day?
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    12:36pm
    There's no Men's Day because men are the disposable sex. Women (and gays) are the sacred cows of the 21st century.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    2:38pm
    You're wrong about administrators - my experience is that it is pretty even.

    19th November...... you just never hear about it since it is a reactionary position adopted by the male chauvinist oppressors to cover the reality that they already control every facet of society and hold all the cards every day of the year, and it is thus undeserving of any recognition, let alone official recognition.

    (LMAO).... I'm just spouting the 'feminist' line here - excuse my humour.... (ROFLMAO)....

    If men politicians supported it, they'd lose their pussy trap of sucking up to every whine of the women's lobbies.

    8th Mar 2018
    12:33pm
    So what? There are far more men in the dirtiest, most dangerous and lowest paid jobs than women. The feminists bleat on about the so-called "Glass Ceiling"; I point to all the men in the "Glass Cellar".
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    2:40pm
    Don't forget the Glass Gutter that many end up in after divorce, CSA and all that rips apart their accumulated assets in life towards a decent retirement without relying on pension only (more men rely on pension only than women, BTW).

    We live in a twisted society that first smashes people's lives and then blames them for the results.

    I think we need a revolution.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    2:46pm
    Funny that you never hear much about the fact that women, in general, have an increased life expectancy in excess of us poor suffering men. Could that have something to do with the emphasis on Women's health issues that our society is big on? Don't get me wrong, I love women (I know, that is now politically incorrect to make such a statement), but the girls' are way in front of us fellas in so many areas it is a joke - seems they want it all!
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    3:00pm
    Children turned loose in a big lolly shop...... and they only want the top of the range, not the cheap chewy gums...
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    3:13pm
    I think it's time this whole nonsense about 'gender inequality' was put to sleep - permanently.
    Sundays
    8th Mar 2018
    12:38pm
    Interesting that Energy Australia announced yesterday that they were going to pay their female staff the same as men doing the same job. Around 350 women earning $3,500 a year less.
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    1:54pm
    It's illegal to pay different wages because of gender. It's been like that since the 60's. If there was any case to answer then compensation would be awarded. So this is either fake news, which is likely or take them to court. I'm going with BS fake news written by some feminist with her nickers in a twist.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    1:55pm
    Yep more B/S
    Sundays
    8th Mar 2018
    2:20pm
    Not fake news. CEO interview available, or do you both just sprout off without readingWatching the news. We are talking salaried employees, not those covered by awards or enterprise bargaining.


    And.... equal pay for women came in the early 1970s not the 60s thanks to Gough Whitlam
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    2:41pm
    Nonsense - it's been illegal for years to pay less for the EXACT same job.

    Provide a link so a proper analysis of this nonsense can take place.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    2:43pm
    Women - by getting paid maternity leave and time off for family - already are paid more per hour than men doing the same job. It's a stealthy thing.

    Sounds like Energy Australia has fallen for the hype and the lies, and probably figures a Grade II clerk should be paid the same as a Grade V or whatever... not the same job or responsibilities, so I call bullshit.
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    4:05pm
    Sunday if a CEO said it I guarantee he told you whatever you wanted to hear.
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    4:13pm
    By the way Sunday don't forget to sue him. Good luck with that.
    Sundays
    8th Mar 2018
    10:40pm
    Silly, read the news. The CEO is a woman!!
    Anonymous
    9th Mar 2018
    12:31am
    That explains the bullshit then..... she actually claims to believe this nonsense, and even if she doesn't - it's just fair isn't it? In her mind I'm sure she feels this is right and factual and true - but it simply cannot be.

    Details would be nice.... but there is no way anyone in the same grade and doing the same job was paid less - it's been illegal for years, so a lie is being told in sheep's clothing here to actually give women higher pay without doing the same job.

    Sounds like a good argument to NOT have women CEOs etc.
    Tib
    9th Mar 2018
    8:23am
    I agree Trebor that explains it. Time to throw the CEO out. But still sue her anyway she has excepted fault even though there wasn't any.
    Anonymous
    9th Mar 2018
    12:40pm
    Bet she wasn't selected on merit!
    KSS
    8th Mar 2018
    12:38pm
    Until more men assume the primary carer role in equal number to women who assume those roles, there will always be a difference in the earning potential (and therefore superannuation) between men and women.

    If women in senior management positions, for example, cannot negotiate an equal pay deal for themselves, I would question their ability to negotiate any other contract. Lower down the pecking order, most sectors work to an industry award that pays everyone at the same scale the same. If women earn less there it is because they are not working the same hours or shifts as men, not because they are women.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    2:47pm
    Discussion of negotiated salaries is outside the discussion unless the negotiated salary falls below a mandated minimum level, at which point it becomes exploitation.

    If the going rate for a car sales person is based on $1000 a week, and one negotiates $2000 a week and another $1500 - there is no argument... if the second negotiates $900 - there is an issue.

    Remember that next time we discuss workplace and industry agreements... NOBODY can negotiate to pay less than the required minimum, that is the law.

    Again - in a movie Tom Cruise would be able to negotiate far more pay than I could.....
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    2:47pm
    ... but I could not be paid less than the Equity rate.....
    Brissiegirl
    8th Mar 2018
    1:35pm
    Women get an international day of attention, then whine and complain for the rest of the year. Men get a few sheds. Being a woman I'd like to say I'm fed up with women in general and have been for a long time. There's about 2 in 10 that I'd judge as naturally nice people. I worked in responsible jobs and where possible I'd choose a male over a female for employment/promotion every time. Women do not have the constitution to match men in executive/leadership roles. We are emotionally and physically very different. Sooner or later they start making excuses about family commitments, feeling unwell, wanting time off and special privileges because they are "women". Women don't want to do hard physical jobs and will run a mile when something heavy needs to be lifted (will ask a man to do heavy lifting for them). Just look out your window, up and down the street, and write down how many things you see that a woman built. Zilch. Absolutely nothing. You won't see too many women painting roofs, fencing, concreting, installing overhead wires, digging trenches - hard physical work. No wonder men don't want to commit to marriage. They're become so down-trodden and under-valued, the mere sight of a shrieking feminist "I can do anything" type makes them shudder. Yes women think they can do anything and deserve more than we are worth, but they don't fix the car, paint the house, knock up a new fence, clean windows, mow the lawns and move the furniture. Oh women cry me a river - so many old hags still single and miserable in their forties because men have decided they're just not worth the hassle.
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    2:01pm
    Couldn't of said it better myself.
    Sundays
    8th Mar 2018
    2:31pm
    Really Brissie Girl. It depends on the work. I once managed a transaction centre with 58 women and 2 men. I was happy to employ men, but they did not want to do low paid data entry work! What I found with women is they stick to things, they investigate errors, they take pride in their work. I was happy to accommodate family responsibilities. Better, than guys who come in hung over, or worse took shortcuts which were hard to correct. By the way right now, we have carpenters in fixing the shed, and surprise one of them is a young woman!
    KSS
    8th Mar 2018
    3:53pm
    Actually Brissiegirl, there are far more female tradies now and also women on construction sites doing exactly the same jobs the men do. When I renovated my kitchen it was all installed by a single woman who was not only proficient in hauling the oversized overhead cabinets into place by herself, she also cleaned up after herself each day! I would hire her again in a heartbeat. Can't say the same for other trades I employed at the same time!
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    4:09pm
    Oops the femtards are after you now. You know you are not allowed an opinion. Ha ha
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    4:23pm
    Apparently these women have seen a woman work once................. I hope you got a picture. Ha ha
    Anonymous
    9th Mar 2018
    12:33am
    A sparrow fart of women tradies a Spring maketh not....
    JAID
    9th Mar 2018
    8:52am
    No Tib and Trebor, credit where it is due. There are plenty of women tradespeople. Nowhere near a majority but enough standing up to be counted. My guess is that none would be paid differently.

    Because they would have been interested enough to actively pursue the role they will also likely perform in the top bracket of their piers.

    Men may lug a little heavier logs but this is now a very small part of any trade.

    Good luck to any females engaging in these jobs. If they are paid less than their peers there would be something to complain about.
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    1:46pm
    The gender pay gap is about sacrifice. Male sacrifice. We do jobs we hate because they pay more so we can support our families. We have less time with family and friends because of our job. In most cases we spend very little of the money we make on ourselves, most goes to the family. Women often work at jobs they like , spend time with family and friends and spend most of the family income including their husbands salary. After all that you continue to bitch and complain even though it's quite obvious that the male makes nearly all the sacrifices. You want a lousy job that pays more, you want less time with family and friends, great go for it but stop bitching to me. Its one thing to have your nice easy lives but to have you complain about it is a bit hard to take.
    Not a Bludger
    8th Mar 2018
    1:51pm
    What a load of nonsensical cr_p.

    Just let natural progression take its course - compare back, say, 50 years - chalk & cheese.

    And, does this bloke really get paid for this - hope it is not my taxes at work, again?
    Only 54
    8th Mar 2018
    1:59pm
    This excerpt from the YLC email illustrates the problem with modern day (3rd wave) feminism quite well:

    "On International Women's Day, the men in the office are asking when is International Men's Day. We've told them they don't need one; not when female representation on key boards is only 26.6 per cent."

    Basically the boys have said "how about a bit of equality here" and the girls have responded "no, there is no equality for you until we've ticked every demand off our list, even if they're unrealistic, deny who we are and generally don't make a lot of sense".

    That about sums it up! Men aren't entitled to equality (or to discuss fairness or their rights or issues, of which there are plenty) because women see themselves as bigger victims. Feminism used to humanist, which is why I used to be happy to call myself a feminist, but it is now sexist and ignores men's issues, which is why it has lost me as a supporter and made me an opponent. Great job feminism!
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    2:09pm
    The other day I saw a whole bunch of women in day care complaining that they were getting less than men were being paid. Not in the same job mind you they were getting the same wage then but against the overall average for the country. Average wage means half get less , they obviously didn't want to get paid the same as those men on minimum wage. If you're too stupid to understand that you don't deserve a high wage.
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    2:14pm
    Well YLC you might still go for this rubbish but I think you can see from the comments less men every year are interested in this BS.

    8th Mar 2018
    2:29pm
    Generally these bleeding heart reports about the so-called 'unfairness' that women in the workforce allegedly suffer, come from the same la la land academics who want to see this country become a sheikhdom for displaced persons of the Muslim faith. I would ask them how much gender equality there is in Islam, and how is that skewing their research?

    8th Mar 2018
    2:31pm
    How much do I get paid for mowing the lawns, fixing the cars, digging the gardens and trenches, mixing and pouring concrete.... you name it....

    This nonsense is so old it precedes Adam - can we give it a break.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    4:07pm
    I have said before not to question how my mind works, Bob, but your post made me think about this nice little story;

    I mowed the lawn today, and after doing so I sat down and had a cold beer. The day was really quite beautiful, and the drink facilitated some deep thinking on various topics. Finally I thought about an age old question: Is giving birth more painful than getting kicked in the nuts? Women always maintain that giving birth is way more painful than a guy getting kicked in the nuts. Well, after another beer, and some heavy deductive thinking, I have come up with the answer to that question. Getting kicked in the nuts is more painful than having a baby; and here is the reason for my conclusion. A year or so after giving birth, a woman will often say, "It might be nice to have another child." On the other hand, you never hear a guy say, "You know, I think I would like another kick in the nuts."
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    4:12pm
    Om ha ha well done. Lol
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    9:48pm
    **falls on floor laughing...
    JAID
    11th Mar 2018
    11:35am
    Empowering logic Old Fella

    8th Mar 2018
    2:36pm
    I would love to see the calculations for the supposed pay gap and how they were arrived at. I know of no industry in Australia where there is a pay scale that differentiates between male and female. Those who work outside the minimum wage structure have negotiated, or have had negotiated on their behalf, what the remuneration will be and it can be assumed that an agreement means satisfaction. If not, whoever signs an agreement with which they disagree is a fool.
    Only 54
    8th Mar 2018
    6:02pm
    Hey Old Man. It's the average women's full time wage/salary (defined as 35+ hours a week) compared to the equivalent average men's salary/wage. No allowance is made for number of hours worked, level of seniority, job description, industry etc. so all in all it's a pretty useless statistic. Sadly, those who throw this statistic around don't explain what it is, so many people assume it refers to like for like work, which it clearly doesn't.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    7:51pm
    I agree, Only 54, but the statistic shown is;

    "$283 is the weekly pay gap between female and male employees (full-time adult ordinary time earnings)"

    It's this statement that I have issue with. I read it as the comparison is only with like hours for a full-time employee and they are wrong.
    Anonymous
    9th Mar 2018
    12:37am
    That's not a gap - it's the difference between the hours they work and the hours men work.

    I posted years ago the figures from a Census that showed clearly that women worked, on average, 32-odd hours a week, men 41.5 or so - and the alleged 'wage gap' EXACTLY equaled that disparity in hours worked.... meaning - no matter what 'industry' they are in - men and women receive pretty much the same HOURLY rate.

    There is NO wage gap - there MAY be an income gap due to women working fewer hours.

    Who gives a hoot about how many 'CEOs' etc there are? NONE of them is much good these days..... and most people would need a telescope to even see the bottom of THAT Glass Ceiling.

    8th Mar 2018
    3:20pm
    The reasons for the gender pay (non) gap have been laid out here times endless - no matter how may times facts and figures and realities are laid out, the same nonsensical argument is put forward on an emotiona lbasis to justify what is nothing more than a pack of lies.
    fred
    8th Mar 2018
    4:52pm
    more of the same handbag brigade bullshit . they is no such thing as a gender pay gap in Australia since Gough Whitlam passed industrial legistlation that all awards have equal pay for males and females . If the women do not apply for or who are not selected on competitive all round merit and qualifications and experience then its their problem and responsibility not the rest of the country . There is no reason women should be favoured or jump the cue . Total feminist crap
    fred
    8th Mar 2018
    4:52pm
    agreed
    Ella
    8th Mar 2018
    6:54pm
    Well what a sad bunch of miserable cynical old farts
    Hopefully your outdated values which match your lack of respect for females will die off with you.
    fred
    8th Mar 2018
    8:27pm
    and are you saying those who do not agree with all this gender comparisons and equality are old farts , I would be happy to remain an old fart than be in the hand bag brigade / feminists
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    8:33pm
    As will marriage and all your other perks. Younger men are no longer interested in paying you to lay around all day doing nothing.
    Tib
    8th Mar 2018
    8:35pm
    By the way these are the new values how do you like them. Get used to it.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    9:57pm
    Did-ums. Disagreeing with a blatant falsehood is now a lack of respect for women?

    Elsewhere the argument goes along the lines that disagreeing with the actions and statements of certain Aboriginals and/or Muslims is covered under some myth of 'lack of respect'.

    Pretty dangerous when one group is talking about burning White Australia to the ground and the other is talking about chopping off heads of any who disagree.

    Jeez - even the 0.01% of the 63 gender club who might travel QANTAS now have their feelings protected by staff being ordered not to use terms such as husband, wife, mother, father and so forth.

    Did-ums - in 1939-45 18 year olds jumped from aircraft to fight the enemy and landed on hostile beaches covered by blistering fire and even a twelve year old fought a 40mm gun mount on a battleship against Japanese bombers - now they need safe rooms in case a word upsets them.

    I think I'll pass on your comment about 'lack of respect' for women.
    MICK
    8th Mar 2018
    7:15pm
    So what Janelle. Stop trying to light up your bra and look at WHY there are more men than women. You are pushing the same BS which seems to be around these days.
    'You too'? Stealing the breast cancer dollars? And the list never ends.
    About time women told you and others who are trying to cause problems in society to butt out.
    Only 54
    8th Mar 2018
    8:51pm
    I had hoped that more women would chime in on this debate because I think they should be equally as offended as men. As we are talking about equal pay here, rather than just equal pay for equal work, it follows that women are being told that they need to work more (ie more paid work) and they need to make different career choices to the ones they make now. If I was a woman I would find that pretty offensive. Who the hell knows better than me how much I want to work, what I want to do and how I want to divide my time between work and family?
    KSS
    8th Mar 2018
    9:50pm
    Of course you have the right to make your own choices as does everyone male or female (or non-binary if you prefer). But if those choices result in fewer hours worked in paid employment, it is going to result in lower pay and by default lower superannuation. Women cannot then complain they don't earn as much as men as a result of the choices they made.
    Anonymous
    8th Mar 2018
    9:59pm
    You forgot to add that they have zero right to push men aside from good jobs so that those men, instead, suffer lower incomes and lesser superannuation etc, just because they feel they are not getting enough.
    MD
    9th Mar 2018
    8:58pm
    Oh, ho hum; but hasn't the conversation become a little lop-sided ? It'd be my guess that were Conrad Liveris to analyzed this diatribe he'd be prone to suffering an apoplectic fit at the very least. Then again maybe it would confirm his findings and thereby bolster his convictions.
    Where are the defenders of the faith in contributions to this discussion ? Sadly lacking to say the least and over representation by the self elected representatives of the brotherhood are quite happy to whistle the same tune - even if outdated and out of tune.
    in the public sphere,that most of this subject discussion seems to revolve around inequality in; professions, political representation, board membership and associated high flying positions: top dogs/bitches in fact. Might this raise some questions as to vacancy numbers vs number of suitable applicants in these limited fields. Perhaps each (and every one) of these fields should nominate 50% of their representative male number to stand down and then call for fresh expressions of interest. Needless to say, the selection personnel would need to be a 50/50 mix, oh and (almost forgot political correctness) a representative from each of; Indigenous, Greenie, LGBTIQ, Gun Lobby and Muslim community/group/faction/party. Just to be fair: fair enough ?
    Women have an added advantage of being particularly well suited for reproduction - they get to have all the fun don't they ? Couldn't this be considered discriminatory from a 'one eyed' mere males perspective ?
    It is apparent there exists a worldwide push, an agenda perhaps which is beyond the comprehension of some 50% of the population.
    How either half of the equation views the matter is largely a matter of perspective. Now where did I leave my rose coloured glasses ?
    ex PS
    13th Mar 2018
    9:20am
    Let's put quotas on everything, have you noticed that people with eye colors that don't match are underrepresented in top level management. How about we try this, people who show intelligence and drive get the top jobs, in other words reward for actual effort.
    VerbalVirtuosity
    13th Mar 2018
    12:14pm
    Terrible statistics, all humas should be treated equally, that includes women and girls. Why should women retire poorer than men? Why should women be forced to live in a lower standard of accommodation than men? $283pw goes a long way towards better accommodation, whether it be rent or a mortgage and still woman are charged tax on sanitary items. Why are we still having this conversation, it should be absolutely mandatory that woman receive equal pay to men. If we Australian's can achieve, through lobbying and protest, for same sex couples to be allowed to marry, then people power should now turns it's attention towards equality for woman on all levels. As John Lennon said "women are the n.....s of the world"


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