NBN Senate Inquiry to be disbanded

A motion will today be introduced into the Senate to disband the NBN Senate Inquiry.

NBN Senate Inquiry to be disbanded

Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi is set to introduce two key motions into the Senate today, which are expected to pass with the support of Palmer United Party (PUP) senators.

The motions will see the current Senate Select Committee on the NBN, currently made up of seven senators (three Coalition, three Labor and one Greens), disbanded and replaced by a Joint Select Committee to be made up of nine senators (five Coalition, three Labor and one minor party member).

The Joint Select Committee will be tasked with monitoring the NBN rollout and the company’s financial and operational performance. The new committee will feature a heavy skew of Coalition senators compared to the previous committee in which the lone Greens senator held the balance of power.

"Malcolm Turnbull is trying to kill scrutiny of the NBN. Regardless of what you think about the NBN, this is the biggest infrastructure project in Australia." says Greens Senator Scott Ludlam.

Read more from The Age.

Opinion: A stacked deck

The introduction of the new Senate on 1 July 2014 has seen a radical shift in the balance of power. Unlike before when the Greens held the balance of power in the senate, it is now the Palmer United Party (PUP) which decides whether the Coalition gains the support needed to pass a motion.

This Coalition Government seems hell-bent on denying the public information on important programs or projects in an effort to control scrutiny. The Government’s lack of disclosure on all fronts with the current asylum seeker situation at sea is disgraceful, as it has taken action by the high court for information to reach the public. It is clear for all to see that, with the motion today, the Coalition is stacking the committee with Coalition senators. A biased committee such as this will rob the inquiry of any integrity and will most likely kill any scrutiny on the NBN due to a lack of disclosure of information.

Democracy is based on checks and balances. Such committees serve a purpose; for members of different parties to collaborate, share their ideas and work together to improve and report on projects which are important to Australia’s future. The NBN may just be our biggest and most importantly infrastructure project of the decade and we cannot afford for it to be run under cloak-and-dagger techniques.

What do you think? Should every inquiry be made up of an equal number of senators from the major parties and at least one from a minor party? Is the Abbott Government attempting to avoid scrutiny of the NBN rollout?





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    17th Jul 2014
    10:14am
    Most likely because they can't get a connection
    btony
    17th Jul 2014
    10:27am
    "Branch stacking",lies and threats.It gets better by the day.Greasing the rails on a downhill slide.
    Jen
    17th Jul 2014
    10:49am
    You forgot about "hiding the truth from Australians" one of the most insidious methods the Abbott Government uses to hold down dissent.
    KSS
    17th Jul 2014
    1:12pm
    "hiding the truth from Australians". But not from non-Australians?
    heyyou
    17th Jul 2014
    2:50pm
    Another nail in the democracy coffin.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    7:15am
    It can only be a "democracy" when Labor is involved.
    And to prove that they are now electing their leaders. What's that you say? You voted for Albo like everyone else.
    Perhaps we should just check back with the Maquarie Dictionary?
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    10:27am
    They same liberal party gup that we normally see from you Frank. At it appears that Labor elects its leaders unlike the coalition. Why do you think that Turnbull got the flick? More likely big business electing its trained dog to do its bidding. Well that worked.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    11:13am
    I think it was because he got less votes than Abbott? I give up.....tell me?
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    2:07pm
    The simpletons view. The reality is that Abbott got the votes because big business called in their elected members. But you know that.
    Jen
    17th Jul 2014
    10:46am
    No, of course this is not how democracy works. But it's how it works in Australia, for now.
    Eclair
    17th Jul 2014
    10:56am
    Consider what a rumpus there would have been if Gillard had used such tactics. This country is not only suffering from a lying, secretive, unethical government, it is suffering from a largely compliant media. We deserve better journalists than these weasels who obediently toe the Murdoch line. It is like a game of Simon Says except in this case it is Rupert Says.
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:11pm
    So true. At least Labor for all its issues gave us all information. When this is hidden corruption takes a firm foothold. This is how this government works.
    Oldie87
    17th Jul 2014
    2:26pm
    Well I wondered how long it would take before Murdoch got the blame. Waiting now with bated breath for all the other usual subjects like Gina get hauled in.
    Relax, all parties do the same. And yes, the Labor Party too. Won't make a scrap of difference anyway.
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    2:26pm
    mick, how can you seriously commend the Labor/Greens/ Independent Border protection policy. Most Australians thought it was ajoke!!
    heyyou
    17th Jul 2014
    2:46pm
    Can only comment on the newspaper journos I worked with, would sell there soul for a beer or a byline. Murdoch pays very well for people who are compliant and these people are selling there expertise to the highest bidder as we all should.
    Like I said before, newspapers are a business and it is up to the reader to fathom bullsh*t from facts, they make more money from advertising than (laughing) news. It may help you to remember the daily newspapers are written for an intelligence level of an 8 year old.
    Remember "Was that the truth or did you read that in a Murdoch publication?". It is simple, if you do not trust the publication don't buy it, or better still write to the editor and COMPLAIN.
    heyyou
    17th Jul 2014
    4:20pm
    mick, recommend you Google "Watermelon blog" written by David Horton, puts all media, politics, in perspective.
    Hasbeen
    17th Jul 2014
    5:28pm
    I don't suppose it has occurred to you folk, that it is currently stacked with lefties, just like the ABC, the judiciary, & every NGO in the country
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    6:28pm
    heyyou. I sold newspapers as a kid. I quickly learnt how to sell them. I would just have to call out the headline front and back page, and those who walked past me would hear my voice and walk back to buy. :)
    Paddles
    17th Jul 2014
    10:24pm
    heyyou

    I hope that in your journalism career you were supported by a grammatically correct proof reader who could correct your confusion of phonetics with meaning.

    There.........their...........they're all sound much the same but, believe me, they have different meanings in context.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    10:58am
    Murdoch's parliamentary representative hasn't decided yet.
    Actually, he's waiting for further instructions, but don't let on, it's our secret.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    10:59am
    Does anyone still believe there is a budget emergency? All the experts say there isn't one, but Abbott the habitual liar says there is. Who should we believe? http://www.smh.com.au/business...
    Anonymous
    17th Jul 2014
    11:08am
    my budget is fine.. always in surplus
    Paddles
    17th Jul 2014
    10:31pm
    Kato

    It is largely in the semantics. For instance, if you are wandering unconcerned across a busy highway listening to your iPod, that's not an emergency.
    When the truck flattens you whilst you were otherwise engaged, then that's an EMERGENCY.

    Thus it is with a Government who continues to spend more than the country earns.
    Hawkeye
    17th Jul 2014
    10:32pm
    If the rich (and this includes Abbot, Hockey, and all their mates) were to pay their fair share of taxes, Australia would never ever have a budget deficit.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    10:33am
    Well off Australians have all manner of outs where tax is concerned but no matter how many they still complain of too much tax. The options include:
    1. Company tax - currently at 28.% compared to the top marginal rate of around 48.5%. The recent budget saw a tax cut of 1.5% which seemed to have been ugnoired by the mainstream media (I wonder why) whilst the rest of us got new taxes.
    2. Superannuation - currently at 15% compared to the top marginal rate of around 48.5%
    3. Negative gearing - with investors looking to have their investments paid off with either rents or dividends and then get a 50% discount on the capital gain.
    And there are more. I have to feel so sorry for our well off cousins who have so many avenues to avoid the real tax system but who are so unhappy at having to pay even peanuts.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    11:20am
    Paddles what is an IPOD? and if you wander while listening to one as you say then that is an emergency waiting to happen. whilst engaged is that the truck or the person, as the person shouldn't be on the highway that is called dementia.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    11:22am
    mick you should protest about the top marginal rate being too low. Get it raised so negative gearing becomes more attractive.
    You really need to think through the idea of increasing Super tax to 48.5%? It would make super the worse method of long term savings for everyone.
    mick what did you have for breakfast? this is crazy.
    Paddles
    18th Jul 2014
    12:57pm
    Kato

    The iPod is one of the stable of Apple devices and is designed solely to play back digitised music. Its family members include the iPad and iPhone and I am sure that you would have heard of them.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    2:13pm
    Frank: Your normal attempt to sidestep the issue and avoid the facts above. I'd be happy of your rich mates just paid their fair share instead of avoiding the tax system for all but a few crumbs and then expecting average Australians to make up for them.
    Negative gearing is currently being discussed. Expect there to be a lot of homeless people if it goes as investors who are geared up will sell. Always consequences. But who would need to look at this if the very well off did not have so many outs and a disposition of entitlement.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    3:09pm
    ok ok - Paddles, I fess up.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    11:09am
    Saul Eslake of Bank of America Merrill Lynch said the incoming Conservative government in Britain had faced a "budget crisis" and a "debt emergency" in 2010. The projected deficit was 10 per cent of gross domestic product, and net public debt was in excess of 60 per cent of GDP.

    To apply similar terms to Australia with a prospective deficit of 2 per cent of GDP and net public debt of 15 per cent of GDP was "to abuse the English language
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:14pm
    What you are reproting on is the gross lies peddled by the media which the last election was run on. Isn't the internet wonderful as people get to understand that they were done over and make ammends next time round.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    11:11am
    Attorney-General George Brandis has introduced legislation to Parliament to expand the ability of spies to hack computer networks, allow more flexible warrants and improve co-operation between different intelligence agencies
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:15pm
    A real worry as we all know that this will end up open slather on citizens.
    Oldie87
    17th Jul 2014
    2:31pm
    As long as you don't access child pornography or manufacture bombs you should be ok. :-)
    student
    17th Jul 2014
    6:17pm
    Fear is a powerful weapon.
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    6:54pm
    Also a powerful friend.
    Paddles
    17th Jul 2014
    10:38pm
    I had a friend who declared that any cat owner could not claim to be an environmentalist due to the proclivity of the feline species to hunt and kill anything that it could.

    To somewhat paraphrase that, I would say that anyone who is concerned about privacy and who objects to oversight of their lives, should not have or use a facebook or twitter account or any of the other so-called social media.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    11:31am
    Oldie81 You don't have to stick to your dry July promise:)
    Polly Esther
    17th Jul 2014
    11:23am
    It stinks in there. The pups wont allow anyone to pass a motion. Any wonder they finish up full of piss and wind.
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:16pm
    My understanding is that Palmer is going to support the repeal of the Carbon Tax (bad) and the winding back of Fofa (bad) so that the big banks can remain unaccountable when they scam customers.
    Oldie87
    17th Jul 2014
    2:29pm
    Well mick, don't let yourself be scammed.
    student
    17th Jul 2014
    6:21pm
    hey mick, Palmer is a mine barron, so why would he want to support any tax that does not benefit his business??
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    11:45pm
    Dead right student. But sometimes satesmen do what is right for a nation. But it looks like Plamer is reverting to the root stock. Not really a surprise.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    3:13pm
    Yep he has treated us as mind barren's.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    3:59pm
    yes,he has mined barren minds.

    17th Jul 2014
    11:33am
    Personally I am not convinced that such a thing as the NBN should even be a political football. It is after all a technology matter better handled by those who know what they are doing. The current approach is nothing more than agenda politics in action - something of which we are all pretty much sick and tired.

    Changing the horse in mid-stream is always a costly exercise, and shows, to me anyway, that this entire issue was mis-handled from start to finish.
    Jen
    17th Jul 2014
    12:06pm
    Totally agree The.Grappler.
    student
    17th Jul 2014
    6:23pm
    the NBN is a form of communication, just like the telephone.
    Hawkeye
    17th Jul 2014
    10:40pm
    Student, where have you been? THE NBN IS THE TELEPHONE.
    Paddles
    17th Jul 2014
    10:41pm
    student

    Your comment contradicts your avatar.
    Polly Esther
    17th Jul 2014
    12:10pm
    When it's all done and dusted the old carrier pigeon was more reliable and a hell of a lot cheaper.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    12:14pm
    And more Intelligent than Pollies.
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:19pm
    I suggest you keep that quote for another 10 years and then get it out. Because data movements have been doubling year on year for many years Australia will need 1 million times the data in 20 years time. Please explain how your carrier pigeon is not going to have a heart attack or at least a bird phobia? Copper is close to its limits from what I can see and the only question is the one above. Does anybody have a non smart a*se solution other than fibre optic? I don't.
    ray @ Bondi
    17th Jul 2014
    12:17pm
    DEMOCRATIC society, no I do not think so when competition is jailed, as Pauline Hanson how she was treated. but this has been done for many years, I remember a long time ago there was a committee of to recommend pay rises, one of them was a lefty so voted for fair and reasonable rises, the committee was disbanded and the positions were re-filled, guess who was the only one not given a job back.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    1:19pm
    Ray abbott and co had a plan to change the way the senate was elected which has been canned for now. the two party system don't like when the status quo is changed.
    Wstaton
    17th Jul 2014
    5:28pm
    Probably worked out that they would be worse off if they changed it.
    Ny19
    17th Jul 2014
    12:49pm
    Bring back Labor. They had their leadership hassles but at least they governed well. This current mob of charlatans are the lowest of the low. Committee stacking is just one of their tricks. Everywhere you look they are DIRTY, DIRTY, DIRTY.
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:22pm
    Whilst I do not support Liberal or Labor I have to almost agree because Labor brings in the big issues which the other side ignore. You would NEVER get a price on pollution or fibre optic under Abbott. All you get is money chanelled into the bank accounts of the rich and bulldust to appease an easily led population.
    Paddles
    17th Jul 2014
    10:49pm
    mick

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. As far as I am concerned, we would be well served by a bi-partisan Government where the Labor party mainly came up with the ideas that were then passed over to the Liberals to cost and implement.

    In essence, I am a Liberal but it is no effort to concede that the Labor party comes up with some great ideas and policies BUT, they are absolute crap at administration and oversight.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    2:19pm
    Paddles: Do you remember before the election. Abbott voted against everything other than a payrise. It did not matter how good or bad the policy was. This was bastardry against the nation. Labor did hold out the odd olove branch. In fact when Rudd came to poer he gave some of the prized posts to our embassies to liberal party affiliates. Guess how many Abbott gave? Nil! Worse than that he sacked every Labor sympathiser irrespective of whether or not that person was doing a good job.
    There is a difference Robiconda. Its called a fair go. Tony Abbott and his misfit front bench do not play be these rules and the sooner this government is thrown out and the rank and file get rid of these bad bad representatives the better. The Liberal Party has become a corrupt perverse group and it needs cleaning as does Labor. Both are toxic and as I keep saying VOTE FOR A GOOD INDEPENDENT to send an unmistakable meassage. It won't happen by itself.
    Paddles
    18th Jul 2014
    10:38pm
    mick

    I don't have on hand a list of our ambassadors, consuls etc but to refute your allegation about "prized posts", I doubt that there would be any overseas post more prized than that of our ambassador to the United States.

    I am sure that you would be aware that we are represented there by Kim Beazley, the former leader of the Australian Labor party.

    Why is that so? I would suggest that our PM rightly recognised that he ( Beazley) was doing a good job and deserved the post on merit. Makes your argument a little thin doesn't it?

    To address your other point about "Independents". You must be naive in the extreme if you fail to recognise that MP's are independent only up to the point where they need support to pursue some programme. Then, it is a case of you scratch my back and I will scratch yours some time down the track. How long do you think that such an arrangement could persist until you had a de facto political party?

    Does your interest in such matters extend back to the unholy trinity of Oakshott, Windsor and Katter? They were independent in name only and operated much as conjoined twins (in the case of the first two named) that were not amenable to separation surgery.

    In our new tutti frutti Senate we have (inter alia) David Leyonhjelm and Bob Day who, whilst flying different flags, seem to be curiously in accord in their opinion of what makes the world go around. I will watch them with interest because, among other things, they are another putative party.
    MICK
    20th Jul 2014
    9:27am
    Not one Labor person was given a new ambassadorship. Not one. If Beazley is there then maybe they couldn't terminate him. Don't know Paddles. Maybe you can you do some leg work and let me know.
    Your comments about Independents may hold some truth but the point is that if you vote for a liberal candidate you know without doubt that this person is held hostage to whoever put up their funding. I never siad that this may not be true about Independents but if the public sees a clear conflict of interest it needs to not give the person a second term but rather vote them out. That way they do not get to suck on the lifetime instant pension. This is what is not happening with the major parties and voters need to get smarter.
    Thank you for going back to the previous parliament. You are now beginning to show how the parliament can work properly. Do you recall that Windor put up the gambling legislation, something that Labor and Liberal refused to touch. The reason is the same one why in the US no side of (their) politics will touch the gun lobby.....they get election funding!!! Windsor did not get paid by the Pubs and Clubs so did what was in the interests of the public. Labor and Liberal refused to act. Tells a story Paddles. WHilst you denounce the 3 Independents the priblem was not that they were 'independent' but rather that there was not enough of them. Do you not know that they were ganged up upon by both sides of politics but only got some lip service because they held the balance of power? Nevertheless they tried to work in the interests of the public, not vested interests.
    It you talk about "tutti futti" then this description is better levelled at the main parties which often ignore serious issues in the nation so that the interests of big business and the rich are served. That is what you fail to observe.
    mikepelton
    17th Jul 2014
    12:52pm
    Australia has now entered an era of Government secrecy or even worse misinformation on all matters where there is a possible public outcry over decisions that are being made. Climate change, National Debt, Refugees (conveniently called Illegal boat people) and now the NBN. Why were so many people fooled by this political party when it was obvious when they were in opposition that they were only interested in assisting the rich and big business.
    Jen
    17th Jul 2014
    1:49pm
    That's one of the great mysteries of our time. Murdoch press and three word slogans?
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:24pm
    I listened to the Murdoch speech. It surprises me that Murdoch was ever an Australian of any sort as he has little idea about the country and what is going on...other than he got his man into power. Perhaps that is all that matters to him.
    KSS
    17th Jul 2014
    1:08pm
    "Coalition is stacking the committee with Coalition senators" And you want me to believe that the Labor Government convened committee (who were in bed with the Greens) wasn't a "biased committee"?

    And I cannot let the obvious 'red herring' pass without comment. To try to link the refugee issue with the NBL is a rather cynical pot-shot. Did you think the readers of your site would not 'bite' at the NBL issue without it?
    student
    17th Jul 2014
    6:29pm
    now I am really confused. NBN and NBL ??
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    6:40pm
    Its a slam dunk!!
    KSS
    17th Jul 2014
    8:12pm
    That should have been NBN. Oops!
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    1:14pm
    Greens , Labor, independents are all the same party , aren't they?
    So to have an effective team you should have fewer negative members, otherwise the project will not get finished.
    When Labor were in government they did the same. I don't see too much terribly wrong with it. The High Court is a good example. It's 4 out of 7 judges are labor appointed. Like I say, a team is more effective with less negativity. Having said that, you do need differing views but not political views. We would still be building the Sydney Harbour bridge if politics of the day were more important.
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    1:18pm
    WOW, do you think the turn back could possibly have been purely political?
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:27pm
    Frank: Some of your comments make you sound like a Liberal Party troll. What a dumb statement.
    If anything Palmer (who is an ex high profile liberal) is a sleeper and is there with a mission other than his own mining interests. That one is still in play but it will start to play out soon.
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    4:34pm
    If I didn't have an average or better IQ, I would be offended by your name calling mick.
    When you have nothing your default response behaviour is to call people names. That is a good sign of your submission.
    If I choose not to get too excited about a politically lopsided group then that does not mean I support Liberals.
    Palmer was your best friend last week. What happened?
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    11:50pm
    Some of your comments are anything other than what one would expect from an intelligent reaoning person Frank. I stand by my comment above given some of your responses which choose not to address the facts but rather utter liberal propaganda.
    Also, I never favoured Palmer and always said that the jury was out.
    Adrianus
    19th Jul 2014
    8:43am
    mick, I never said I was intelligent and reasoning, but thanks. If that is a rare compliment, I will accept. But I cannot accept that you were not a Palmer boy last week and this week you have gone cold on the big guy. Why is that?
    MICK
    20th Jul 2014
    9:30am
    I have NEVER sung Palmer's praises so please do not misquote me. What I said is that the jury was still out with Palmer. Like many others I am waiting to see if Palmer is going to in the nation's interests or his own. Siding with Abbott does not look very promising and I did pose the question as to whether or not Palmer is a liberal party sleeper playing with Abbott whilst pretending to be independent. We will see in due time.
    Tom Tank
    17th Jul 2014
    1:15pm
    This has all the hallmarks of a totalitarian state where, if you are lucky, only the appearance of democracy shows. This is all then covered by secrecy hiding the true state of affairs.
    It is a fairly clear indication that our previously democratic system is heading down the gurgler at a rapid rate of knots.
    It may seem far fetched but just how far off are we from heel clicking, stiff arm salutes and Heil Tony.
    It is going to be a long two years and the damage done in that time immense.
    A little off track but how soon before Rupert Murdoch gets his knighthood? He shouldn't get one since he American but with Tony at the helm all things are possible, especially after his sycophantic display last night.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    1:23pm
    Yes I was worried for Herr Rupert, I thought the underling was going to get a tad amorous.
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    1:46pm
    We would not have known about the many secrets if it weren't for those gossipers on the opposition. tittle tatters!!
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:30pm
    Kato: I like your reference to Herr Rupert. I hope you saw his speech and also shook your head in disbelief. Better Rupert goes back to his now home (not Australia) and stays out of local politics in future.
    As the GetUp add which was pulled by all of the major stations said: "Australians don't need to be told how to vote Mr Murdoch". I can but agree.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    2:30pm
    Yes and there lipstick shade was horrendous.
    student
    17th Jul 2014
    6:39pm
    a government ruling by secrets, is heading for a dictatorship, the same as America. The Security Council can pass whatever laws they want .. in a time of emergency. And who calls a 'State of emergency'?? Why the Security council aka The War Room.
    Paddles
    17th Jul 2014
    11:02pm
    Tom Tank

    You are talking absolute shite and it demeans you. As for the rest of the you on this thread, you are citizens of this country who elected the current Government and although it seems obvious that the decision didn't go your way, it is the democratically Government and will remain so for the next 2+ years.

    After that, you will have the opportunity to vent your spleen at the ballot box but by then, you may have changed your mind, or worse, considered the alternative.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    2:21pm
    student: You have touched on what really frightens me with this government. I would not be surprised if Abbott did in fact go down this road. Dictatorship is in the man's persona.
    Kathleen
    17th Jul 2014
    1:49pm
    What a lot of people do not not understand is that many jobs are bound up in this and the environment. Both my sons are affected by NBN and the environment. The latter sells solar panels. The former is involved with the NBN rollout and being hampered by this government. These are ordinary people earning middle wages and my son involved with the solar panels is now on commission only because of this government which has reduced his income to a fraction of his former pay because people do not want solar as government and power companies are starting to penalise them.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    2:14pm
    Yes you are right, that is the part which angers, people or there livelihoods don't count.
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    2:21pm
    2 industries destroyed by the previous government. Home Insulation and Solar.
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:34pm
    Yes Frank. The manager of a Queensland coal fired power generator was on Four Corners last week stating that he was going to have to let 150 people go because renewables are now making up 10% of electricity production in the state. This is th esame line employers use when the lowest paid workers in the country get a $10 a week pay rise......"jobs will be lost".
    What the manager did not tell the reporter is that the renewables industry has created over 11 000 jobs in the same period. So what would you rather have: retain 150 jobs in a polluting industry or progess the new technology of the future. No brainer.
    Sceptic
    17th Jul 2014
    4:41pm
    FACT - Renewables lose more jobs than they create. FACT - One of the reasons that electricity charges are so high is because producers have to use a proportion of costly renewables. FACT - Another reason electricity prices are so high is the high cost of the feed in tariff paid to the early installers of solar panels. FACT - The early installers of solar panels are the better off and the poorer people are therefore subsidising their electricity.
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    5:09pm
    I agree with all those points Sceptic, but I wish it weren't so.
    I know a person who got in early. He bought a 200 acre block of land that nobody wanted. Set up a solar farm. He imported a few containers full of solar panels from China.
    He returns as much to the grid as possible. Checks on things a couple of hours each month. He gets $100,000 pa for the sale of his Electricity.
    KSS
    17th Jul 2014
    8:22pm
    GrandmaKathleen, why is the Government to blame if people don't want to buy solar panels? Surely the motivation to buy them is one of doing their bit to 'save' the planet? Or is it really to make money? Yes I know the tarriff paid for excess power has been reduced but I would rather that people use their solar power and store the excess for use later. That would cost them more. Why should I as a tax payer subsidise people to buy solar panels?
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    11:56pm
    Frank: Do you take the forum for fools? $100 000 a year? So lets establish where this farm is and I'll go have a look for myself to check out your story. If not true it will confirm my suspicion that you are a troll put here by the government to discredit anyone who tells others the facts.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    7:07am
    mick I could give you the co-ordinates but if you didn't want to travel too far find one closer.
    There are plenty of solar farms around the country. There are big ones in WA and QLD but surprisingly very few in Victoria. SA has some older ones.
    All funded by Al Gore's best friends, the Labor/Greens/Independents Government. Responsible for 3GW these PV panels provide wealth for a few at the expense of us poor people.
    Our taxes were used to establish these farms and our high electricity prices provide ongoing wealth for farm owners and the industry.
    Are you still wondering why Al Gore came to see Australia's most powerful politician?
    "Clive what ever you do, leave the renewable Energy target at 20% otherwise my business will turn to mud. And that $10b would help too."
    He is in the PV business and making a packet. My mate with the farm will have received 12 times his outlay. Now do you still wonder why power prices are high and why they cannot drop significantly?
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    10:40am
    Frank: Your claim is a fabrication. I cruched the numbers. $100 000 would be equivalanet to a 35KW system. You need not only the panels but the ability to convert the DC power into AC before feeding into the grid. The cost for installing such a system would be HUGE and the pay back period would be around 6 years with no gurantee that governments did not remove the feed in tarrif.
    You are telling porkies mate. Well that is what your leader does too so this should not come as a surprise to any of th ereaders on this site.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    11:27am
    mick I don't think you speak for the readers on this site. We are all capable of working things out for ourselves. Thank you very much. :)
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    2:24pm
    Frank: no way out mate. Just like the current government you have been caught out. Why does it not surprise me that you behave the same?
    And yes you are right: I do not speak for readers....but I do offer facts and answers to a political debate which seeks to bury the truth whilst spouting propaganda so that none of us are any the wiser that we are being done over.
    So good try, but it didn't work.
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:10pm
    Ha ha. Seriously PIXAPD this is a familiar pattern playing out again. Just like the number of boats reaching our shores Australians are being denied access to information with the NBN. We all know that this government has limited intellectual capability and that it is the political arm of the rich and big business but what we are seeing play out is the manipulation if information so that what we don't know won't hurt their re-election chances. Sadly it isn't working.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    2:17pm
    That's why they want to axe the ABC.
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    2:37pm
    The irony is that the 7:30 Report before the election was plugging the Abbott re-election campaign as were the commercial channels. I do not see why Abbott is claiming "bias" when he got better than average and when he lies about almost every promise he made. The man must have a mental disposition of some sort ot behave like he does. If it were you or I we'd be committed.
    Kato
    17th Jul 2014
    4:10pm
    Mick - no one can disagree with that.
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    4:42pm
    mick, sorry you made a spelling error.
    Abbott should have been spelt Rudd. Please watch that in future.
    signed,
    spell checker
    MICK
    17th Jul 2014
    11:52pm
    What else would one expect an Abbott troll to say Frank.
    Oldie87
    17th Jul 2014
    2:38pm
    There are lot of comedians out here. You must be because some of the comments are so laughable they have to be jokes !!!
    HappySoul
    17th Jul 2014
    3:22pm
    Agree wholeheartedly.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    11:32am
    Oldie81 and Happy Soul -You don't have to stick to your dry July promise:)
    doggone
    17th Jul 2014
    5:30pm
    there is an old adage "always set up an inquiry which will deliver the results you want".

    and this will definitely apply with this committe having most members being from the government.

    and as for cory bernadi he is so far to the right he would be greeted with open arms by the tea party or similar extreme right wing organisations.
    JOHN T
    17th Jul 2014
    6:01pm
    Why do we put up with this pathetic government every time some one disagrees with them
    they sulk and make threats against the less fortunate .we know the labor party were not perfect but compared to this mob they were professionals .
    we have lost the carbon tax and the only thing we will see will be a greater amount of carbon let into the atmosphere John T QLD
    Rosscoe
    17th Jul 2014
    6:41pm
    Another shonky by the Abbott government! Thanks to all the compliant journalists in Australia and the yes-people working for sky_news. I live for the day when Australia is again admired by the rest of the world and we return to real democracy.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    7:38am
    We may as well be living in Russia.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    11:40am
    Yeah what are we called now anyway.
    student
    17th Jul 2014
    6:46pm
    if I remember correctly, we were told repeatedly before the election that a carbon 'tax' would push prices sky high. Now the 'tax' has been repealed, I wonder if our bills will go down too???
    Adrianus
    17th Jul 2014
    7:05pm
    I hope so, I am organising a garage sale just to pay the rent.
    Kato
    18th Jul 2014
    3:12pm
    there is a song called dreaming.
    Not Senile Yet!
    17th Jul 2014
    8:19pm
    Just jobs for the BOYS!
    Senate inquiry is about getting rid of or disbanding or watering down of the NBN.
    Why?......Because on this one the libs are right!
    It should have been divided between the Telstra, Optus and Vodaphone as how it was to be billed/paid for as well as structured!
    The Government only stuffs up things this size.
    Private Enterprise...on the other hand.....know how to deliver....as well as how to make it pay!
    All the government had to do was issue licences and collect the GST off all the bills.
    No Big Carrier is going to sit back and watch a Government undermine their own systems by providing a higher quality network which will make theirs out of date......it is only natural that they want their share of the pie!
    As for the Senate Enquiry....that is exactly what it was supposed to be doing......inquiring if the NBN would not unduly effect the Current Suppliers....and if so.....how to please all the players whilst still rolling it out!
    As I stated....All the players deserve a piece of the pie.....but labor rigged it to suit it's own view.....now the libs just want to re-rig it to their point of view......normal Politics!
    However, now that the Party Machines are in charge.....it will probably cost double and labor will get the blame whilst the Rich increase the profit margin.
    Sad really.....neither Labor or Liberal understand that a compromise....meet in the middle......is what the people want!
    The libs will bring in a Yank......probably the same one who ripped off Telstra for millions.....to tell OUR experts how to rip-off more from the customer so as to pay his Extreme Consultancy/Management Fee........Yeah Fats Celebrating!
    VOTE ALL THE SON OF A **********s OUT!!!
    Stop Voting for the Corrupt Party Puppets!
    Wstaton
    17th Jul 2014
    10:53pm
    What a load of crap!!!

    We look at anything that has been privatised and the cost to us has sky rocketed.

    Anything to do with infrastructure should be the responsibility of government. If we have to pay taxes for this, so be it. All resources of our land should be held by the government on our behalf and only sold to private enterprise for the benefit of all people of Australia. Our land should not be sold to foreign countries but leased and any profits taxed on anything that is produced from that land and exported.

    This is our land and is not to be sold off because this government wants money coming in.
    Jen
    18th Jul 2014
    8:01am
    Imagine if we privatised everything. They'd be answerable to nobody. They would need to make a profit for their shareholders therefore, you can expect much higher prices. Just look at those Government agencies that have been privatised.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    8:14am
    Jen, public companies in Australia are very closely scrutinised by a wide range of bodies including the ASX. Shareholders are very demanding these days. I would like to see the same high level of transparency in the ALP/Union movement.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    10:50am
    Jen: Australia's public companies are not scrutinised well at all. I have had dealings with ASIC which just like all our other prudential regulators is all but useless. They rarely act but have to have a high profile case every so often to keep public funding coming in. Other than that they send back public relations letters. I have been there and understand how they work.
    Frank appears to be a liberal party troll and his statements are normally to deflect scrutiny from this government. I note that the latest is to scrutinise the relationship between Labor and their associated unions. Whilst I welcome this I might suggest that the relationship between the Liberal Party and big business needs to bt exposed for what it is. The recent scandal in NSW Liberal has pinpointed the perverse relationship and it is clear that at the federal level the Liberal Party is no more than a fully owned subsidiary of big business. Clearly the repeal of the Carbon Tax with the Mining Tax to follow tells the story. We are being government by big business, not the people.
    MITZY
    18th Jul 2014
    11:33am
    What happened to the "close scrutiny" where did it disappear to when the CBA and its financial advisers/planners cut a swathe through the retirement moneys of many average Australians with bad investment advice? Not all will get their funds back.
    Has anyone gone to gaol yet?
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    11:41am
    MITZY, more to the question, why did the ALP/Greens/Independent/Unions Government dilute ASIC powers? Anyway let's see the thieves try it on now!!! ASIC is being strengthened!!! I feel like singing the medicare song......I feel better now...
    Jen
    18th Jul 2014
    12:20pm
    It's ok Mick, I don't need Frank to tell me "it's all good." I've seen for myself (as have most Australians) what happens when a Government entity is privatised.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    2:25pm
    Frank: Here you are again casting dispertions. Where are the facts? So when does Tony let you clock off? 5 pm?
    Mar
    17th Jul 2014
    8:46pm
    The Abbott Government is attempting to avoid anything that builds the future for the average Aussie.

    17th Jul 2014
    8:59pm
    what a load of nonsense and garbage - firstly the asylum seeker issue - the matter has nothing to do with disclosure - the majority of Australians just want our borders protected. The military and border protection public servants are doing a good job - the SCUM (socialists, communists, unionists, Marxists) are the only folk that rabbit on about disclosure.
    Most of us know that with M Tunrbull in charge of NBN instea of Conroy the job will be done properly and more cost effective.
    This article may as well have been included as part of the Greens weekly newsletter.
    Thank goodness the country is in the hands of the conservatives and the senate is more conservative leaning than before.
    Finally any article quoting Ludlum as a source is immediately discredited
    Paddles
    17th Jul 2014
    11:10pm
    bob menzies

    Hey man, I've been around for a long while but I had never heard that acronym SCUM. Gotta say that I love it and the next problem is remembering it.....lol.
    Jen
    18th Jul 2014
    7:14am
    Ignorance must be bliss, Bob.
    Young
    17th Jul 2014
    9:31pm
    Why should the government tell us,and therefore the world(which includes the people smugglers)it's method of saving lives at sea.Well done to all those concerned.
    Jen
    18th Jul 2014
    7:19am
    It, frankly, amazes me that people are happy to have information to do with the integrity of their Government withheld.

    Head in the sand? Rusted on? I really do not know.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    7:34am
    Jen, what sort of information do you need?
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    2:32pm
    Frank: How much time do you have???
    Lets start with the latest (yesterday). Greg Hunt has been spouting off about "the Carbon Tax is the cause of high electricity prices". He was in the media sevral times this wekk reiterating this...although Tony Jones had to laugh at him on Lateline last night. He is a clown purpose made for total imbeciles.
    Back to electricity. Origin Energy yesterday released a statement saying that electricity prices would FALL 7% with the repeal of the Carbon Tax. Average bills are now around $2000 pa and have at least doubled since the carbon tax came in. So by my calculations the consumers should have a $1000 drop in their annual bills. At Origin Energy's 7% average bills will only drop by $140. Hang on...didn't Greg Hunt blame "high electricty prices" on THE CARBON TAX???? So where is the extra $860?
    As I said Frank, how long you got? This scenario of blatant lies from this government has not end.
    Please pass this on to your boss Tony Abbott.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    3:48pm
    That's a little harsh on the guy just for having a laugh? You have been getting robbed big time with your "Electricity Bill."
    Many bills have only increased by 50% over the last 5 years. I have already explained this to you. I will type slowly. Electricity Bills are very expensive now because electricity producers are buying of farms and households at high prices. That's not my opinion.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    4:15pm
    This is the ongoing LIE from your employer Frank. electricity bills are high because a huge amount of money has gone into upgrading the poles and wires whilst your boss gets in front of the cameras and says that it is because of the Carbon Tax. I can't wait for the first bill to come and for those amongst us who are a bit gullible to ask the question 'why has my electricity bill not gone down?' That's when the penny drops.
    Its nearly 5 pm Frank. Almost time to go home. Tony is not paying overtime you know. Have a good weekend.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    4:36pm
    Frank: Maybe I am being a bit tough on you and being a fair minded sort of Aussie I got out some old electricity bills and did some calculations. Here are the results:

    1. 4/3/09 - average cost per kW 11.4 cents
    2. 6/6/12 - average cost per kw 20.0 cents
    3. 12/6/14 - average cost per kW 32.0 cents

    On the above calculations I may have been conservative. My $2000 annual bill should only be a third of what it is now with the CO2 Tax repeal (ie. $667, not $2000). So my electricity bill should be dropping by $1337, not the $140 which is being stated by Origin Energy. But the lying Abbott and Hunt still claim that the Carbon Tax is the culprit. What else does one expect from disrepuatble liars though?
    Pick this thread up on Monday morning Frank when you clock on. It will be interesting what you come up with.
    Dotty
    17th Jul 2014
    9:46pm
    Democracy went out the door the day that Tony Abbott was elected to Prime Minister !
    He cares not one iota for us low income people he is just an Arrogant person that now thinks he is above the rest of us !
    I for one "WAS" not responsible for him being where he is today!
    So my concince is very clear of guilt for that !!
    Dottie
    Paddles
    17th Jul 2014
    10:17pm
    Senate Select Committees of whatever ilk can sit in session, ask dopey questions of people who know sweet fanny adams about the subject and, in the fullness of time, issue a report that tells us nothing and almost certainly won't make mention of what a monumental cock-up it is in practice.

    This is a subject near and dear to my heart as I live in Kiama NSW which, for GOK reasons was selected as a stalking horse for this benighted project. In addition, I am the elected representative of the Retirement Village in which we live. That means that I am the "go to" person to resolve the multiplicity of worries and questions of an aged community.

    I have never (and will never) experience such a level of misinformation, wrong information, obfuscation and sheer dithering as I encounter in trying to get to the bottom of just where we are at with the installation of this wretched system.

    My level of technical expertise is questionable but I do have a highly tuned bullshit meter and it has been going off at every pronouncement of the Government and its appointed installers.

    I do not know the remit of the Senate Select Committee but, if it is able to throw some light on and inject some sense into the installation process, then I don't give a fiddler's for their political stripe.
    Wstaton
    17th Jul 2014
    11:01pm
    Unfortunately Paddles this committee will be the same as the one set up for the CBA where a liberal said there was no need for a investigation when he didn't even attend the meetings when people were affected were submitting.
    Hawkeye
    17th Jul 2014
    10:53pm
    Politics in this country has moved so far to the right over the last 20 years or so, that the ALP is now more right wing than the Liberals were back when Frazer was in charge. And the Liberals under Abbot are almost as right wing as the NAZI Party was under Hitler
    Wstaton
    17th Jul 2014
    11:04pm
    Quite correct when you consider that Abbott considered that the Japanese were honourable during the war.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    7:44am
    Better that we don't know who is waring red undies and all that nonsense. It only makes Murdoch richer!
    Oars
    18th Jul 2014
    10:48am
    Who cares who attend these meetings- as long as they scrap this overpriced piece of electronics that only 10% of the community actually need. The emphasis is on NEED. If a pole was taken now as to who will actually need the NBN system and are prepared to PAY for it as a private/optional service, then I think they would change their mind. Most of us retirees have an acceptable system that will suffice and the speed of downloads is minimal. Again the Oz public has been conned by Connroy (the Pommie ex-union boy) to help his mates get kickbacks.
    Anonymous
    18th Jul 2014
    11:27am
    well said oars could not have said it better.
    T0 JEN - your response to my earlier comment that ignorance is bliss - I'm a lot of things but ignorant is not one of them - clearly we have different views on politics and that is OK in a democracy. I am well into my 60s but I have a bachelor and a master degree - I am a conservative to the core - I studied finance in the 60s but also did political science and to the dismay of some academics I turned to Winston Churchill and his ideals - and then when I went to work in 60s came up against the painters and dockers union and the unions and their ties to communism and their inefficiencies and laziness and was disgusted. However I thought Hawke did a good job and governed for all Australians during his time. Labor needs someone like him again to garner the support of the swinging voter. The Greens have attracted the extreme elements of the Left - they are the most dangerous party in Australia since the days of the communist party that existed in the 50s. However I didn't care much for politics until the last election because I had enough of the incompetence of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd that was sending this country broke. Billy McMahon may have been ordinary but the worst in my 64 years was last 6 years.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    11:33am
    Well said bob!!!
    MITZY
    18th Jul 2014
    11:50am
    Its not just for "retirees" who are happy with current speeds, it is for business and considering we supposedly have a government in charge of this country that is "ALL FOR BIG BUSINESS" you would think the likes of Turnbull would be able to go full steam ahead with his knowledge and get the NBN completed, and not by patchwork quilting it either. Scrapping one committee and replacing it with another committee is just cost and more cost to the taxpayers. Back to the drawing board stuff once again. These pollies talk up "real big" about what they are going to do for ALL AUSTRALIANS whilst in electioneering mode, but come the day they rule the roost, its pass the matters on to another committee, or two or three?! Governments in Australia these days are like "two peas in a pod", decisions, decisions, decisions, which pea is the right pea, which pea is the left pea?
    Jen
    18th Jul 2014
    11:58am
    To Oars. That's fine that as a retiree, you are happy with what you have internet-wise, but the vast majority of Australians are, one way or another, trying to compete in a global market where a reliable, speedy internet service is essential.

    To Bob. You're no more entitled to your view than I am, nor is your view necessarily the right one. I think you're quite wrong. In fact, you misunderstood me when I said "Ignorance is bliss." The subject was the Abbott Government keeping it's employers, Australians, in ignorance, and that this situation is fine with you. It's not fine with me or many other Australians. But it's obviously bliss to you.
    Rosscoe
    18th Jul 2014
    12:07pm
    Well, Oars, I am 68 and live in Mawson Lakes, SA. The Internet service there is pretty poor. We can't use the phone if someone is using the internet. Australians are being overcharged for by Telstra and the rest - it's not just electricity and gas. The present federal government needs to actually do something - not just set up reviews for political purposes! And what about a royal commission into the operation of the big banks? Their is no way they're going to upset their mates!
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    12:18pm
    I don't understand why we sold Telstra. Gave $11b to Telstra and then went into competition with Telstra? Which cost us $50b and put up taxes as well as postponed our retirement to age 70? The Greeks retire at age 60, up from 55. Wayne Swan kept saying we are better off than the Greeks. I starting to wonder? Anyway, gotta go and get ready for the garage sale.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    2:37pm
    Frank: The answer to your (supposed) question is basic. Australian governments of both persuasion are selling everything. That way they can balance the books (until its all gone) and spend more money. Not too difficult to understand really. A bit like you selling your car, furniture and coffee machine and then going on a world trip. The trouble is that when the party is over what then?
    FOr what it is worth this government is happy to sell off Australian fertile freehold farming land to FORIEGN GOVERNMENTS. Get a crystal ball and ask your decendents where that is going? Australian population of 100 million? Let them eat grass!!
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    3:52pm
    Sell the car? No way!!
    mick if I get back from holiday and don't have a chair to sit on and no coffee to drink. At least I will have a car to get me to Woolworths.!!
    MICK
    20th Jul 2014
    9:34am
    Come on Frank.........Tony must surely be payin gyou better than that. And by the way I'm still waiting for the address of the person you claim is making $100 000 pa out of solar panels. Nothing from you there either.
    student
    22nd Jul 2014
    4:25pm
    Oars, the NBN is for the future as well as the present. And why should people be denied technology just because they live in a spot that does not access communications reliably?
    taylah
    18th Jul 2014
    12:17pm
    just returned from India they are the world leaders in telecommunications at present hence massive number of multinationals (not just American) run their admin/accounting in India as is done in Hong Kong to a lesser extent - guess what neither of those countries have any form of cable . Guess it must be magic. Many of we Australians over their trying to learn from them.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    1:08pm
    taylah, many Australians argued this with senator Conroy, but he insisted that you need cable into your premises for wifi?
    Telstra and the rest of the world are going for wifi hotspots which will allow users to log into their own account almost anywhere in the world.
    I don't think we were told the full story with Conroy at the helm.
    I think a few walked away after his red undies analogy.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    2:42pm
    taylah: India is churning out IT jobs and the first world is sending work to India. You are wrong about fibre optic cable though (the NBN). Conroy, unlike this government, realised that data usage was DOUBLING every year....think about your dial up service 20 years ago. This means that in 20 years time we will need roughly 1 MILLION TIMES the data movement we currently have. Copper is all but dead now in its capabilites but this is what Malcolm Turnbull used to believe in....gives you real faith in the Liberal gpvernment doesn't it?
    So ignore Frank who appears to be a troll rather than a blogger carrying on an informative discussion. The truth is that we have to have fibre optic to remain competitive. There is no other choice.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    2:45pm
    And before it happens wifi simply connects users to the nearest antenna. The fibre optic carries it around the nation at the speed of light.
    And for what it is worth many nations are either rolling out fibre optic cabling or already have it. You just don't hear anything about it in Australia because the politics is trying to bury (sic) the issue and demonise it as a wasteful, unnecessary and useless piece of bling. It isn't.
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    3:56pm
    Or if you don't want to lay cable get into Dick Smith and get a wifi signal enhancer which will extend the wifi signal.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    4:38pm
    Dumb response Frank. In the future please tell your telco that you want to go onto copper, not fibre optic. I am sure that somebody may accommodate you.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    6:29pm
    Maybe there are flaws in my argument. Don't know. I can't see any. But here is a seperate posting for all to canabalise if facts do not stand the test of time and more minds:

    I got out some old electricity bills and did some calculations. Here are the results:

    1. 4/3/09 - average cost per kW 11.4 cents
    2. 6/6/12 - average cost per kw 20.0 cents
    3. 12/6/14 - average cost per kW 32.0 cents

    The immediate thing I noticied is how much I have reduced my actual electricity usage. Sure I forked out for solar hot water and PV panels but then I also leave the heater off in winter and get out the ski clothes. OK, I'm crazy....well some of you probably already think that. Here goes.

    On the above calculations my $2000 annual bill should only be a third of what it is with the Carbon Tax repeal as electricty costs are due to drop by 7% (supposedly). So my electricity bill should be dropping by $1337, not the $140 which is being stated by Origin Energy. But the lying Abbott and Hunt still claim that the Carbon Tax is the culprit. What else does one expect from disreputable government?
    It would be interesting to hear from others as to their thoughts.
    Jen
    18th Jul 2014
    6:57pm
    They lie every time they open their mouths, but your example is even worse than I imagined. Basically our power cost has trebled in five years? Is this bad management or just plain thievery? Certainly not the carbon tax!
    Adrianus
    18th Jul 2014
    7:06pm
    mick, I hope you don't have a job that requires any math calculations? In your effort to blame someone else for your power bill increase you have made a fundamental mathematical error.
    I will give you 24 hours to correct it.
    MICK
    18th Jul 2014
    9:10pm
    Frank: Good to see you coming out after 5 pm. Tony will be impressed.
    Whilst there are obviously assumptions about inflation the above is an overview of my bill and a there is a minor amount of rounding off to demonstrate what has happened, nothing else.
    To add fuel to the fire (sic) we have also reduced our power consumption by a third from the overall Kwh used five years ago. Whilst that was a surprise to us the trend is clear.
    The lie cannot be ignored. WE DO NOT HAVE HIGH ELECTRICITY PRICES BECAUSE OF THE CARBON TAX. Prices have risen for other reasons, with the other contributor being a huge amount of money being shovelled into the poles and wires. Do some research.
    For what its worth Frank, shoot. If I have made a fundamental error I'd love to be shown the error of my way.
    Adrianus
    19th Jul 2014
    8:08am
    mick.
    Firstly you should have a look at the Greens Climate Change Policy more closely.
    "Make the polluters pay a heavy price until they are driven out of business" regardless of the collateral damage. This is a thoughtless, uncompassionate, vengeful stance on the issue without regard to the "Little Aussie Battler."

    The Greens are blindly following their demi gods of big business and big ideas. Namely Blood and Gore!!

    The Carbon Tax along with Greens Policy is the reason your bill went through the roof. Labor just do what the Union/ Green alliance tells them (with some help from the Independents), otherwise they don't have a say.

    The kW rate had to be increased because of the higher costs involved. Poles and wires are only part of the answer. We all know a lot of dollars have been spent on poles and in a lot of cases these poles are costly magnificent works of art which resemble the Eifel Tower.

    mick you were paying $0.20 per kW at the time of the introduction of the carbon tax, while at the same time your supplier was paying up to $0.40 per kW for those sending the power back to your supplier. This concept was designed to run them out of business. But, like all the crazy radical Lefty ideas ( similar to high company tax) the power suppliers simply pass on the cost to consumers.
    The carbon tax was designed as another nail in the coffin and we consumers were meant to suffer during the process. You can debate those issues if you like, and lay the blame on Tony Abbott but in my view he is one of the few who are trying his best to fix the problem. I think many people see it this way too. Look at the Greens vote tally in the last Fed Election. At the next election PUP will surpass the Greens.
    I have been saying for a very long time that both major parties have their negatives. When in Government, Labor do too much and LNP sometimes too little.

    Yes the math error. To be fair you need to start the calculation from 1/7/12 when the carbon tax was introduced, however, for ease in calculation I will accept 6/6/12. Please factor in all issues without prejudice if possible.
    You know when people visit a Psychiatrist they sometimes ask wether there exists a hatred and repetitive blaming of the government for all problems.
    MICK
    19th Jul 2014
    10:54am
    Frank: You are behaving exactly like your mentor Tony Abbott. If you want to talk about vengeful, hateful behaviour then look no further than Chrisptopher Pyne (or Julie Bishop). On election night and every other time since Pyne has spewed out his hateful and spiteful rhetoric against Labor and the Greens. You would not find a more hate inciting person in the country. And then have a look at how Tony Abbott, came to power: unlike the previous Labor government Abbott gave EVERY foreign embassy post to liberal party hanger oners, something that the Rudd government in its effort to be fair never did.

    You start off your spiel above with the normal one line slogans which Abbott used to gain office. Australians are beginning to see through these. Your assertion that the Carbon Tax is causing collateral damage is of course false and the proof lies in how little Australians are getting back now that it is gone. This tax was repealed solely for the financial benefit of the coal, gas, oil and power generation industries and for no other reason. The lie which you are repeating is that the tax hurt "battlers" but the reality is that over 11 000 jobs have already been created in the renewables industry which you and your kind now threaten. So by all means run the dishonest propaganda but nobody is listening.

    Your spiel follows the same path as the climate change deniers which Abbott engaged in: ignore all the evidence and find a scapegoat. In this case your scapegoat is the Greens.

    You then move on to the cost of feed in tariffs which people who put in PV systems received but you fail to mention that the number of people with these systems is small compared to the number of houses in the country. Even if 10% of house had these systems installed then the overall increase in costs per Kwh would be zilch. Good try but the numbers don't stack up. What does stack up is the big picture for the average price per Kwh over a period of time. These have risen at a huge rate and it is the cost of poles and wires and NOT THE CARBON TAX which explains the numbers. You can deceive as much as you like but economic experts are all saying the same thing, price rises are not due to the Carbon Tax. But then we'll all see soon enough when electricity bills not only do not go down but instead continue to go up after the $140 odd decrease is passed on in the first bill.

    It is looking more and more likely that you are a liberal party troll Frank. But just like your leader you have no credibility because what you write is intended to deceive and divert attention from the truth by creating doubt. Australians want an election.
    Fred
    21st Jul 2014
    7:13pm
    Mick quite a bit of the price rise in Electricity is because of the payments by the Electricity Companies for subsidizing Wind Farms, Solar Power. When the last Qld government was it people were subsidized for putting solar panels on the roof and what ever they fed back into the grid they got 44cents per kilowatt which at the time we were paying 26 cents per Kilowatt now no company can afford to do anything so stupid for to long. Solar is fine but without the power stations it would be a waste of time because peak power is when solar is not working that is after the sun goes down. I read story about California and Hawaii and both are having big problems with the amount of solar being pumped back into the system. Hawaii has no natural gas coal so imports all its energy and they encouraged people to put solar panels on their houses they are now finding that Transformers are blowing substations are breaking down all because to much power is being fed into the grid. Here in Qld the government has said that the maximum you can now put on your roof is 5 kw in California and Hawaii they are stopping people putting solar on. So alternatives like Solar and wind will never be able to take over the power stations the world has now As for the pollution supposedly man is creating with these power stations the doomsayers are learning that the whole Climate Change is just a natural cycle that the world goes through every so often. Like I said you can have all the solar and wind but you still need Coal, Nuclear, or gas fired power stations to take up the peak demand.

    18th Jul 2014
    10:28pm
    To Jen - I never said I was right just that I had an opinion based on my lifes experiences - however because my views differ to yours I am therefore wrong - gee only the left thing so black and white and in my experience they are generally the most vitriolic. I am not sure I understand your comments to OARS re internet speeds before retiring I was I broadband industry and IT and most Australians are well served. Things could be better BUT the waste from Conroy on NBN was palpable. Have a nice day and as a final thought remember over 5.5 million voted for coalition at last election - they have 90 seats in house of reps and almost as many as labor/greens in senate - the people spoke so let the conservatives get on with the job how they think best and if the people aren't happy they can vote them out in 3 years time - my guess that is not going to happen.
    Jen
    19th Jul 2014
    12:19pm
    Hang onto that thought Bob. I suspect it was more like Labor lost, rather than Coalition won and I wonder what percentage are now regretting taking their stand against Labor. How many are enjoying being lied to, having all promises broken, getting white-washed and forced to wear a blindfold about certain issues? But as I said you're welcome to your opinion.
    Adrianus
    19th Jul 2014
    1:50pm
    Jen, in all honesty there would be very few regretting throwing out that Greens/Unions/Labor alliance.
    It was the worse Government in the History of Australia and a shame we will have to live with for a long time. We were a laughing stock around the world.
    They were heady days in deed.
    Money flowed like wine as did the tears of frustration over 1200 deaths at sea. Every policy seem to be followed with its own disaster. The Insulation program came with more deaths and more panic by the government as they suddenly denied knowing anything. Kevin Rudd recently said he knew nothing about pink bats and all the screw drivers in the shed belonged to Therese. Not nice to be so flippant at an inquiry attended by the relatives of those who died.
    No we don't want to go back to those dark days!
    MICK
    19th Jul 2014
    4:35pm
    Frank: The "worse government in in the History of Australia" (worst not worse) sounds like another slogan straight from your mentor/boss Tony Abbott. More of the same chanting. No facts. Just rhetoric to make the facts go away.
    If you want to know which government is the most dishonest, morally corrupt, vindictive and truth twisting government ever then I cannot remember one worse than the Abbott government. Not in living history. And that covers a heck of a long time.
    And after you digest that Frank follow the money trail. The budget was nothing more than a blatant attempt to transfer money from poor to rich....as though the top end of town has not been doing nicely for the past 3 decades. But not being content with what it already has the top end of town wants to emulate the American system where average citizens are reduced to being slaves and paid $9 an hour (up from $7 an hour recently). Before you say it....I know...."Work Choices". If you can't get it one way then lets get it another!!
    As for your chain rattling slogans above please not:
    1. If you think that money "flowed like wine" under the Rudd regime I ask 2 question. The first is if there was any unemployment during the GFC when the rest of the world had very high unemployment. Answer: No. The second is who removed the debt ceiling so that the government was not bound by borrowing limits? Answer: Tony Abbott. The third question is what was the debt when Labor left office and what is it now? You surely will not want to answer that one either.
    You have no credibility Frank and my assessment that you are a troll put here by the government appears to be the most logical conclusion to your rhetoric. If you have ANYTHING useful to say then stay with the facts rather than the perverse Abbott slogans which the public now understand for what they were and fo what reason they were unleashed on the public.
    carmencita
    19th Jul 2014
    8:10pm
    So what are the other senators doing? Do they just stand there waiting to be run over. They are elected in such glorified places and paid handsomely so why have they not put democracy in action? All parties including independents should be represented in any committees to make sure all Australians have a voice through representations or are those senators just happy doing nothing.
    MICK
    20th Jul 2014
    9:04am
    The problem with Australian politics is that most interests are controlled. You have the Liberal Party which for the most part is elected with big business and self interest funding 'donations'....which have strings attached and which come with a bill, to be repaid. That is why Abbott had to abolish the Carbon Tax (coal, oil, gas and electricity generators). And then uoui have the Labor Party which also has vested interests including the union movement. Thirdly you have Independents who for the most part are not held ransom to anyone other than voters, but of course Clive Palmer and his senators may be an exception as Palmer is more than likely interested in his financial interests too. The jury is still out on that one.
    The only way to get the parliament working as it was inteneded to work when designed by our forfathers is TO VOTE TRUE INDEPENDENT. Representatives with the least baggage are going to act FOR THE COUNTRY, unlike the current government which dragged the country into the gutter whilst in opposition by voting against every piece of legislation ever put up (except pay rises for politicians) and then has gone on to pay out its backers now that it is in government.
    I have been trying to educate readers on the only way to get Australia out of the political poo but it is hard because most voters do have a predefined bias one way or another. Before the last election I recall that both sides of politics begged the public not to vote for an Independent. The reson why has nothing to do with the well being of the nation. Rather both sides also understand that Independents threaten their Woolies and Coles (your turn/my turn) stranglehold on control. Once this is broken then so will the conduct from both sides.
    Not Senile Yet!
    23rd Jul 2014
    1:27am
    Nothing wrong with privatising or contracting out government work or the Utility Companies......as long as they have to answer back to the Government with regard to regulating them.
    What has happened here is a copy of the USA Policy of Free Market or Self Regulation by a body....which has failed in the USA (banks)....we need to be smarter in allowing private enterprise to run government business.....we should not let them raise prices etc without approval and justification!
    Our Mistake is that Justification changes with whichever Party Machine is in Power.....a smarter solution is to appoint a Body (Commission) to regulate any price increases and make the Company justify their price increase to the Public...not just the Commission! The Commission could be made up of equal Libs and Labor Party Puppets with the Head being the Governor General as the deciding vote for stale mates and their terms could extend to two terms of Parliament.
    This would stop the accelerating rise of Power & Gas at the Whim of the Parties or Big Business....ie keep it in check with the CPI.
    Modification of Yank ideas to suit US is more in line than straight out copy catting!!!!
    But this will not happen under a Party Machine mentality with Puppets.....we need to get rid of them......and put enough Independants in that they have to negotiate these things....negotiate not slam dunk whatever they want....force them to negotiate....which by the way is just what a Politician is supposed to do!!!!
    Vote the Party Machines out Next Election....All Party Puppets are not going to do what you want...they will only do what their Party tells them to do.!!!!!
    seadog
    24th Jul 2014
    5:51pm
    I have followed these pages for a very long time and am amazed at the bias against the Government.
    The reason we do not hear about the asylum seekers or should I say illegal queue jumpers is because it only helps the crooks that are making money out of it.
    When people say that the Government is now rigging committees they should at least acknowledge that Labor were in bed with the Greens so the also stacked committees but to some of the people on here it seems that the Greens and Labor cannot do anything wrong. I have not commented before but enough of the one sided comments for a change would be good and I include the editorial comments in this as well.
    unicorn
    16th Sep 2014
    9:30am
    Trust te abbott government to do it.


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